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Dave Eiland, Cliff Lee and more Yankees pregame

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Greetings, Brian Heyman here at Yankee Stadium for Chad.

So Dave Eiland is back and ready to try to fix A.J. Burnett.

The Yankees’ pitching coach returned today from his 25-day leave. All he would say was that it was private family issue that everyone goes through at some point. Eiland also said he doesn’t plan to leave again.

Burnett has fallen apart on the mound from the day Eiland took his leace. Beginning with his start on June 4, Burnett has gone 0-5 with an 11.35 ERA. Eiland caught the last two starts on TV and said he can see what’s wrong, that it’s minor stuff that Burnett has been told about before. He relayed what he saw to interim pitching coach Mike Harkey. But Eiland and Burnett will get to work together in a bullpen session on Wednesday. Burnett is still away from the team today, dealing with his grandfather’s funeral.

Brett Gardner’s right wrist is still sore after getting hit with a Clayton Kershaw pitch Sunday night in L.A. Joe Girardi said Gardner is day to day and that it could be a couple of days before he starts again. He is available to pinch run and play defense, though.

Joe West is umpiring his first Yankees series since Yankees-Red Sox at Fenway in April, after which  he used words like “pathetic” and “embarrassing” for the slow pace of those games. “I didn’t take it personal,” Girardi said. “The way I see it, our team is based on people seeing a lot of pitches.”

Girardi fielded a question about interest in tonight’s starter Cliff Lee, who should be available with the Mariners being such a flop and free agency coming after the season. Girardi basically said that any team would want him, be in the majors, in Japan or any other country. He called Lee “a strike-throwing machine.” The Mets are more in need of him now than the Yankees – unless Burnett can’t find his way – but you never know. The Yankees would figure to at least have interest when he for next year.

Marcus Thames, on the DL with his hamstring issue, is scheduled to be the DH Wednesday for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.

Here’s the Seattle lineup:

1. Ichiro Suzuki RF

2. Chone Figgins 2B

3. Russell Branyan 1B

4. Milton Bradley DH

5. Jose Lopez 3B

6. Franklin Gutierrez CF

7. Jack Wilson SS

8. Rob Johnson C

9. Michael  Saunders LF

Cliff Lee P

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160 Responses to “Dave Eiland, Cliff Lee and more Yankees pregame”

  1. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    # vblade June 29th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Upton is a headcase. Tools can only get you so far if you don’t have the right attitude and maturity, which he has shown many times.

    I agree man. He’s like AJ.

  2. Jim The VT Yankeefan June 29th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    I always think it is odd to see a LFer, DH or 1B batting 9th.

  3. Quentin June 29th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    We should get Jamie Moyer, too.

    Imagine, Moyer + Lee + CC = Awesome.

  4. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    The Yankees won’t get spoiled brats like Hanley Ramirez and BJ Upton.

    See this is why I don’t care about effort stuff. Well I care, but the point is, I don’t want Upton because he doesn’t produce. I’d take Ramirez in an instant because he DOES.

    Periodic lapses in effort don’t matter if you get production…

  5. On the internet I'm really cool. June 29th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Probably the 10th person repeating this, but the ‘featured article’ today on Wikipedia is Mariano Rivera.

  6. tom tresh 15 June 29th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    I hope Eiland is right that he knows what is wrong with AJ and can be fixed easily

  7. KhanArtist June 29th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    2011 New York Yankees Rotation:
    LHP CC Sabathiaa
    LHP Cliff Lee
    RHP Phil Hughes
    RHP AJ Burnett
    LHP Andy Pettitte

    check mate.

  8. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    I would love Upton. Now I also think Granderson is a good fit for NY and I always really liked him on Detroit so I’m not upset that he is patrolling center in the Bronx. I can’t imagine the Rays trading him to the Yanks within the division and having to face a psyched-up Upton 18 times a year. But there is no doubt if he is available to all teams I would look into it. 2 years ago he was one of the most valuable young players in the game.

  9. vblade June 29th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    # Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    The Yankees won’t get spoiled brats like Hanley Ramirez and BJ Upton.

    See this is why I don’t care about effort stuff. Well I care, but the point is, I don’t want Upton because he doesn’t produce. I’d take Ramirez in an instant because he DOES.

    Periodic lapses in effort don’t matter if you get production…

    ——————————

    Don’t get me wrong, I like Hanley as a talent, but his maturity levels are severely lacking, and the Yankees just don’t seem to care for those types of players anymore.

  10. tampayank June 29th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    “# austinmac June 29th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    However, the Rays owner hates the Yankees and will never make a significant trade with them.

    The radio people in Tampa say he goes to more Mets than Rays games

  11. vinny-b June 29th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    “In my eyes, Rihanna (or however you spell her “name”) is as ugly as Elena Kagan”
    —————————————————————————-

    don’t know who Elena Kagan is. However, IMO Rihanna is 1000x more attractive than Jessica Simpson and Jennifer Anniston. LoL. The power of the media

  12. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    2011 New York Yankees Rotation:
    LHP CC Sabathiaa
    RHP Phil Hughes
    LHP Cliff Lee
    RHP AJ Burnett
    RHP Joba Chamberlain

    Fixed for you Khan.

  13. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Matt Kemp is an amazing Baseball talent and he’s been learning on the job…….He’s has put on some weight but he is a big framed guy…..As for Upton, he could be one of the premier players in the game right now if his head was right…..The larger question ( SJ is closer to this than we are ) will his head ever be right ???? There is a track record already for such a young guy…….Maddon is a chip off of Mikey Scoscia’s shoulders, who is a great players mgr. So if Upton is having trouble with Joe Maddon then he could be in for a real short career, or a Milton Bradley type…..Such a talent

  14. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Don’t get me wrong, I like Hanley as a talent, but his maturity levels are severely lacking, and the Yankees just don’t seem to care for those types of players anymore.

    You’d say no to Hanley Ramirez just because he gave up on a play? Maybe you don’t realize how good he is. For his career Ramirez averages .314/.386/.526 (.912 OPS) out of the shortstop position!

  15. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    I would have much preferred Jorge to catch Phil

  16. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Vinny-b……..Jennifer Aniston ???? I’ve met Jen on a few occasions, and trust me she’s has the goods…Besides, she wears very little make-up……Sweet and unassuming

  17. tom tresh 15 June 29th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    SJ
    Either you are being impersonated or you are throwing a curveball a couple of threads ago

  18. vblade June 29th, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    # Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Don’t get me wrong, I like Hanley as a talent, but his maturity levels are severely lacking, and the Yankees just don’t seem to care for those types of players anymore.

    You’d say no to Hanley Ramirez just because he gave up on a play? Maybe you don’t realize how good he is. For his career Ramirez averages .314/.386/.526 (.912 OPS) out of the shortstop position!

    —————

    Not based on one play – I’d say no to him because he didn’t have the guts to apologize immediately for lollygagging it and then dissing his manager in the media on top of that.

    Like I said, great talent, no maturity. Maturity can be obtained, but we have yet to see it from him.

    Call me crazy, but I’d become embarrassed to be a fan of the team if the star player acted in that manner.

  19. raymagnetic June 29th, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Dave Eiland has already been performing voodoo on AJ’s right arm and left leg in hopes to fix him ;)

    http://www.midlandmemorabilia......20LEGS.JPG

  20. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    I think Andrew Brackman will start a game for the Yankees before Joba does again.

    I think that ship has sailed.

    Pat M,

    That’s the thing with BJ. I don’t understand how he doesn’t get along with Maddon.

    I don’t know if they just never got over some stuff or there is something deeper there.

    Its a strange situation because BJ isn’t a bad guy at all. He just has an immature button that goes off at the wrong time and it hasn’t gotten fixed in Tampa.

    Whether it can get fixed in another locale is TBD.

  21. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    I think Andrew Brackman will start a game for the Yankees before Joba does again.

    I think that ship has sailed.

    I think Joba will be in the rotation out of spring training next season.

  22. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Oh, and I also think Brackman will make the major leagues… as a reliever.

  23. vinny-b June 29th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    count me down for NOT trading Granderson.

    SJ44 makes excellent points. In fact, i agree with all of them.

    it is like this: 1 year ago, no one was a bigger BJ Upton fan then myself. What changed in that time? BJ persists on underperforming. And the Yankees have Curtis Granderson.

    I have never met him, yet Curtis Granderson (and Mariano Rivera, and Andy Pettitte) are my favorite human beings on the Yankees. They are players who i LOVE to pull for. To me, this factor is literally more important to me then winning. Yes, i said it

    additionally, Heathcott will replace Granderson in time. And yes, despite what others believe i believe this was a factor in the Austin Jackson/Granderson trade

  24. CompassRosy June 29th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Three players on Seattle that would be worth having that they might actually move would be Cliff Lee, Franklin Gutierrez and Brandon League.

    Well, it was almost a given before the season started that Cliff would be moved (although considering how he has been even better than advertised, the deal would have to absolutely knock Jack?s socks off).

    As for Frankliln ?.
    can?t really imagine a scenario where he would be moved. He?s Jack?s guy. He was the centerpiece of the JJ Putz trade (although Vargas seems to have worked out pretty well too) and is just coming into his prime. Those things coupled with the fact that he signed a 4-year deal this past off-season speak more to his being a type of player to build (or re-build) around, not one to let go of?.

    As for Brandon ?.
    jury?s still out on him and exactly what his role is (he?s mostly setup, but has also closed in DA?s absence). He??s been a bit inconsistent, but when he is on ? yowsa!

  25. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    “I think Joba will be in the rotation out of spring training next season.”

    That will happen after the Yanks get BJ Upton from the Rays for AJ Burnett.

  26. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    I think you are way off on both predictions Patrick.

    Brackman is going to end up being a starting pitcher at the ML level.

    At this point, Joba is barely a capable relief pitcher. Starting for the Yankees again? Not happening.

  27. CompassRosy June 29th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    oohh…
    sorry about the random question marks above. I copied and pasted my post from the previous thread and apparently some formatting was jumbled in the translation :(

  28. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Franklin Gutierrez signed a 4 year 20.5 million dollar deal with an option. He ain’t going anywhere.

  29. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    austinmac June 29th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    Is being thin a tool?

    No, but speed is and the last I heard, being overweight loses speed and hence one of the five tools.

    Will Upton become a star? I don’t know, but if you watch him play his tools are truly amazing. He reminds me of Cesar Cedeno. His head killed his five incredible tools. I hope it doesn’t happen to Upton. Again, I think he is worth a chance, particularly with veteran leadership around him. However, the Rays owner hates the Yankees and will never make a significant trade with them.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Man….there’s a blast from the past. Cesar Cedeno. He had a chance when he came up at age 19, he looked for all the world like a young Roberto Clemente. He had everything you could ever want in a ball player. That he hit for that power and the speed playing on that runway at the Astro Dome. I believe that concrete killed his career.

  30. vinny-b June 29th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    SJ:

    was not trying to slight you at all, on that Upton/Granderson trade proposal, brother.

  31. Luke June 29th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    “I think Joba will be in the rotation out of spring training next season.

    Agree.

  32. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Rosy, I’m only drooling at the idea of just how well they’d look in pinstripes. They are 3 top talents, each with something different to offer. I was hoping that I wouldn’t be caught gawking in the window.

  33. Gardy June 29th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    If you can get Upton for Grandy, you do that.

    How many opportunities do you get to get a player with his talent?

    SJ said it best – Granderson is a good player, nothing more. Upton has the ability to be a superstar.

  34. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    I seriously doubt the Yankees have any interest in trading Granderson…….they just traded for him, so obviously they like him a lot

  35. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    “I think Joba will be in the rotation out of spring training next season.”

    ——————————–

    Scranton’s?

  36. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    I know Vinny. Was just throwing it out there.

    I’m a big Granderson fan. I think he’s played well here and will play better as the season goes on.

    I look at it from Tampa’s perspective.

    They have to trade BJ Upton.

    How do you trade a guy, and where do you trade him, when he has the reputation for taking games off?

    What do you get back in return? A bunch of prospects? That sells a guy with his talent short.

    That’s why I proposed a one for one trade.

    Big boom or bust from both sides. Probably why it wouldn’t happen.

    I’ll tell you though, when they trade BJ, they won’t get a player as good as Granderson, flaws and all, in return.

    That’s why I threw it out there for discussion.

  37. Blackboard June 29th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Cano dogged it in 2008 too… so much so, the veterans were ticked off that Joe didn’t do anything about it until too late.

    Take the physical talent first and worry about the attitude/effort later….

  38. vinny-b June 29th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    “I think Joba will be in the rotation out of spring training next season”
    ——————————————————————–

    Joba is finished as a starting pitcher.

    at least on the Yankees.

  39. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    I think you are way off on both predictions Patrick.

    Brackman is going to end up being a starting pitcher at the ML level.

    At this point, Joba is barely a capable relief pitcher. Starting for the Yankees again? Not happening.

    I think you are way off on both predictions SJ.

    Brackman will never find the consistency necessary to be a major league quality starting pitcher.

    Joba will.

    See how this works? Round and round we go….

  40. Emo June 29th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    You think Upton is jogging after a ball when he has to answer to Jeter, Rodriguez, and Posada when he gets back to the dugout? Different than having to answer to a bunch of guys his age, who he probably thought wouldn’t even notice.

  41. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    I’m definitely not willing to predict great things for Brackman on the ML level or even that he’ll be a starter………he has to do a lot more for me to think that.

    I don’t know that Joba’s time as a SP for the Yankees is over, but neither do I think the Yankees are just going to hand him a spot. He’s been up and down as a reliever – what has he been showing the Yankees that would impress them that he could be a good starter (evermind a frontline one). I don’t know what’s up with Joba – he’s just a mixed bag of a lot of things.

  42. Scott June 29th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Upton is still over 3 years younger than Granderson

  43. cs in la June 29th, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Joba starting for the Yankees? That’s never going to happen. He’ll be lucky if he doesn’t get traded this winter.

  44. austinmac June 29th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    GB–I saw Cedeno play many times. I think is was more alcohol and women that did him in. Remember the shooting incident in the Dominican? He was never the same. He had an arm too. Clemente has always been a good comparison.

  45. Yanks 81 June 29th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    Granderson is fine, as long as he doesn’t face lefties.

    As Wave said, get him a platoon player, and the CF position will look much better. We don’t need to trade him, we just need to accept what he is and maximize his skill-set the best, and that would be with a RH bat to platoon with him.

  46. vinny-b June 29th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    “I know Vinny. Was just throwing it out there.
    I’m a big Granderson fan. I think he’s played well here and will play better as the season goes on.
    I look at it from Tampa’s perspective.
    They have to trade BJ Upton.
    How do you trade a guy, and where do you trade him, when he has the reputation for taking games off?
    What do you get back in return? A bunch of prospects? That sells a guy with his talent short.
    That’s why I proposed a one for one trade.
    Big boom or bust from both sides. Probably why it wouldn’t happen.
    I’ll tell you though, when they trade BJ, they won’t get a player as good as Granderson, flaws and all, in return.
    That’s why I threw it out there for discussion”
    ————————————————–

    SJ:

    definitely. I Enjoyed the post, and the subsequent posts from everyone on the subject.

  47. raymagnetic June 29th, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Whether or not Joba becomes a starting pitcher again is on Joba in my opinion. If Joba decides that he wants to work as hard as possible and put himself in the best shape possible then the Yankees would be fools not to try him as a starter again.

    If Joba can get himself back to where he was in 2007 he has some of the best stuff in the league. A 98mph fastball with pinpoint control, hammer curve, nasty slider that looks like a fastball.

    I hope Joba can reinvent himself and make himself a starter again. It would only make the Yankees better in the long run.

    But who knows if Joba is willing to make that commitment?

  48. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    Where is Joba going to find the consistency? He can barely pitch one inning effectively and we have been waiting for over 2 years for him to find consistency and he’s not coming off surgery.

    Guys with 5 ERA’s and no consistency out of the bullpen aren’t being moved into the Yankees rotation next year.

  49. Peter Abumbum June 29th, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    what’s your prediction for this game?

  50. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 5:53 pm

    I don’t know that Joba’s time as a SP for the Yankees is over, but neither do I think the Yankees are just going to hand him a spot.

    I don’t think the Yankees will hand him a spot either.

    I do think that he will be lights out in the pen for the remainder of this season. I also think the Yankees aren’t so keen on spending close to $75 million per year on their starting rotation. I also think Pettitte is close to retirement.

    That leaves a pretty big opening for Joba if you ask me.

  51. Blake g. June 29th, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Have you seen Awesome Jackson play recently, SJ?

  52. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    AJ can’t be fixed. He is what he is. Not that that’s a bad thing, but it’s reality.

  53. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Where is Joba going to find the consistency?

    Well obviously I don’t expect him to continue the inconsistent performances.

    Basically, what ray said. It’s on Joba. I have faith in the kid, so shoot me.

  54. Joker June 29th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    “what’s your prediction for this game?”

    Hughes 8 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 3 BB, 5 K
    Lee – 8.1 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 10 K

    Lee loses in the bottom of the 9th on a Gardner inside-the-park HR.

  55. CompassRosy June 29th, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    I was hoping that I wouldn’t be caught gawking in the window.

    GB ~

    Well, you wouldn’t be the only one ever caught “gawking at Guti” :-)
    Of course I gawk at him because he’s such a spectacular CF’er ~ to me, DEE is the bee’s knees. And, he’s certainly worth gawking at just in general … but I digress ;-)

  56. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    “Have you seen Awesome Jackson play recently, SJ?”

    In his last 21 AB he has K’d 9 times. As a player without HR power, until or unless he can control the strike zone, his future is not particularly bright.

  57. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    You really think they are going to pass on Cliff Lee for Joba? I don’t see that.

  58. vblade June 29th, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Granderson is a character guy and Upton is not. Talent aside, the Yankees still are very self conscious about their image and likely won’t take a chance on someone like Upton if they don’t really need to.

    Teixeira, CC, Granderson – all these recent acquisitions from other teams always had sparkling attitudes.

    I just don’t see the Yankees deviating from that, especially when they’re winning anyway.

  59. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    Yeah, I have seen Jackson.

    He’s hitting .253 in June and every one of his offensive numbers have declined each month.

    If you think that’s “awesome” we have different meanings of the word.

    I see a guy trending downward offensively who is an outstanding defensive player.

    That’s an “ok” player. Not “awesome”.

  60. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Patrick, what are you basing your faith in Joba on (that he’ll be lights out the rest of the year)? Also, I don’t know what the Yankees are looking for him in terms of his potential to start, but he’s not been that impressive this year, so I can’t imagine he’s blown the Yankees away or even shown them definite signs that he’s a starter.

  61. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    I don’t think Upton’s character Upton’s character is immutable.

  62. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Patrick, just to be clear – I think it’s great that you have faith in Joba, but we have to look at it from the Yankees’ point of view. Even if he is lights out as a reliever, that doesn’t mean they think he’s going to be a good, reliable (or better) starter.

  63. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    You really think they are going to pass on Cliff Lee for Joba? I don’t see that.

    Tell me where I said that.

    I said that the Yanks won’t want to spend near $75 M on 5 starters. Remember, Hughes hits arb, Pettitte will get a raise, Lee will cost 18+ million a year.

    Basically I think Lee’s market will explode after this season. Mainly because he will probably win another Cy Young this year and there are a lack of aces out there. I’m talking $20 million plus. Now, if Pettitte retires the Yanks will pony up whatever is necessary to get Lee. But if Pettitte stays for another season I don’t see the Yanks being so desperate to sign Lee. Especially because they’ll be coming off a second consecutive world series championship with a rotation anchored by the same 3 guys – Pettitte, Burnett and Sabathia.

  64. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    I don’t like to go as far to completely dismiss things, but there is very, very little chance the Yankees would suddenly develop enough faith/trust that Joba would get himself back to 2007 form and pass on a pitcher like Cliff Lee.

  65. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    Patrick, what are you basing your faith in Joba on (that he’ll be lights out the rest of the year)?

    His overwhelming talent and previous track record…

    And I think he’s showing signs already of coming around.

    I’m also banking on Cashman making smart decisions which I think is a good bet considering what he’s done in the past.

  66. Ninja Burglar June 29th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    What are the chances of Cliff Lee wanting an extension from someone should he get traded? That would nix the Yanks picking him up for cash only in the offseason.

  67. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    repost

    champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
    I’ve been saying for 2yrs now that the Rays should be trying to trade Upton,sign Crawford to an extension- he should be their Derek Jeter – and bring Jennings up to play CF…

    They would never trade him to the Yanks but I’d be trying to get him to AZ in exchange for Miguel Montero….The Rays need a top tier C and Montero gives them that…..I’d call up the D’Backs and offer Upton and Wade Davis for Montero and Brandon Allen 1B and Qualls and see if it hits…

    The D’Backs may have an promotion bonanza over the next 10 yrs with the Upton bros…maybe they push each other to greatness and Wade may be a good #2-3 in the NL….

    The Rays get Montero as their everyday catcher, Qualls a good pen arm and Allen can take over 1B next season….use the $ to sign Crawford and promote Jennings and Hellickson to replace BJ and Wade…

  68. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Lee will be a Yankee. Book it. It has nothing to do with Joba.

  69. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    It would take some divine intervention or a serious & dedicated off season conditioning program for the Yankees to reconsider Joba for a spot in the rotation…….After what I watched last summer, I just can’t see him in the rotation….Besides, there’s quite an impressive crop of arms moving up the ladder…….Faith is one thing, blind faith is another thing

  70. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Andy is 38/39 years old and even if he returns, the Yankees can’t assume that he’s going to be as good as he has been in the first half this year.

    I’ve been saying all along that I don’t want Lee and his long, expensive contract, but that’s my brain speaking; my heart says we should sign him – and that we do need to sign him. I do hate having such an old rotation, though.

  71. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    “What are the chances of Cliff Lee wanting an extension from someone should he get traded? ”

    Low. He needs the Yankees involved to get the maximum contract possible.

  72. vinny-b June 29th, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    “What are the chances of Cliff Lee wanting an extension from someone should he get traded”
    —————————————————

    no chance.

    Cliff Lee is testing the FA market

  73. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    “Faith is one thing, blind faith is another thing”

    I have laid out my reasons for believing Joba will start next year in this very thread. Perhaps you are the blind one?

    “Lee will be a Yankee. Book it. It has nothing to do with Joba.”

    I agree it has nothing to do with Joba. I believe it has everything to do with Pettitte.

  74. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    SJ

    I believe that Patrick sees the Yanks signing Lee with Andy retiring and Joba winning the 5th starter role out of ST…

    That could totally happen but it’s all up to Joba….in fact that would be the best case scenario for the organization…

    Patrick I think you are wrong about Brackman though I think he’s turned the corner and is on his way to being a front of the ro starter….this is where the AJ contract becomes a problem

  75. Terms of endearment June 29th, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Peter Abumbum June 29th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
    what’s your prediction for this game?

    __

    Lee: 9.0 ip, 6 hits, 1 run, 0 BB, 10 K, 122 pitches
    Hughes: 6 ip, 10 hits, 4 runs, 4 BB, 4 K, 113 pitches

  76. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    In the first game of a double header, Trenton leads New Britain, 3-0 going to the top of the 5th inning. Romine is 1-2 with a run scored, Laird is 1-2 with a run scored and an RBI. Luis Nunez is 1-2 and a high fly to the warning track in right center field.

    Noesi thru 4 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs, 0 walks, 1 strikeout.

  77. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    http://riveraveblues.com/

    I say the Yankees so confidently because they need Cliff Lee right now more than just about any other contender. The Red Sox have two hurlers locked into long-term, high-dollar deals. The Mets are on the verge of getting burned by Johan Santana. Few other teams can afford Lee’s price tag or do business that way.

    But what, you may ask, of the Yanks’ starters? Their rotation is impressive today when all is going right, but the long-term outlook of the 2010 five is no sure thing. Javier Vazquez is a Type A free agent this winter, and the Yanks will offer him arbitration before letting him walk. Andy Pettitte, despite his stellar first half, has been grumbling about retiring. With those two out of the picture, the need for Lee is clear, and it only becomes clearer when we consider the rest of the rotation.

    Beyond Pettitte and Vazquez, the Yanks have young Phil Hughes, A.J. Burnett and CC Sabathia. Hughes will stick around, but the futures for Burnett and Sabathia are hazy. We don’t know if we’re seeing Burnett decline or just suffer through a bad stretch of pitching. We must also consider Sabathia’s opt-out, and it is here that the two are inextricably linked.

    If CC Sabathia exercises his opt-out clause following the 2011 season, the Yankees will need an ace to fill the void. By then, A.J. Burnett probably won’t be anything close to a potential number one, and even if Hughes continues his rise, the Yanks will need more pitchers — and a lefty — to fill the holes. With no better pitchers nearing free agency, Cliff Lee, then, is as close to a need as the Yankees have right now.
    ******************

    Interesting post ……….

  78. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    I would say Pettitte, Vazquez, and AJ, Patrick.

    For differing reasons, none can be counted on to provide what Lee can over the next three or four years.

    I agree with you that Joba will get another shot at the rotation at some point, unless something happens to Mo and Joba fills that void reasonably well.

  79. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    I do not think CC will opt out..

  80. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Maybe I haven’t been clear so I’ll spell it out for guys like Pat M that think I am saying this based on blind faith.

    I think one of two things will happen.

    1. Pettitte retires, the Yanks decide they need another “sure thing” and sign Cliff Lee. Joba wins the 5th starter job.

    2. Pettitte does not retire (but does get a raise because of his great 2010), the Yanks decide they don’t want to invest 5 years, 100 million in Cliff Lee. Joba wins the 5th starter job. Why don’t the Yankees want to spend that money on Lee? Well…
    a. They are already investing massive amounts of money in Burnett, Sabathia and Pettitte. Hughes has just hit arb and will be an FA relatively soon.
    b. I think the Yanks win the WS again in 2010 and do it with mostly the same rotation as in 2009. Cashman realizes that the core of this rotation is fine and doesn’t need another ace at an exorbitant cost.

    Maybe my reasons are stupid and maybe none of this happens as I predict it will, but don’t say I have blind faith just because I disagree with you.

  81. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    I hate the M’s – per Ken Rosenthal, they’d take Thole, Martinez and a not-great pitching prospect from the Mets for Lee, but they’d demand Montero and a solid pitching prospect. I don’t know how Cash ever does business with any GMs as most of them are out to rob him blind.

  82. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    For CC to opt out for financial reasons, the non-baseball economy will have to improve more than is currently forecast by most “experts.”

  83. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    austinmac June 29th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
    GB–I saw Cedeno play many times. I think is was more alcohol and women that did him in. Remember the shooting incident in the Dominican? He was never the same. He had an arm too. Clemente has always been a good comparison.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I knew about the alcohol and ladies. The shooting incident was sad, mostly for the girl’s family. What a sad waste of talent like that. He would have been a great replacement for Mantle and flanked by Murcer.

  84. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    Lee will get about 5yrs/100mil…that’s okay, a lil rich for me, but if he gives you 3-4yrs of what he’s doing now OK.

    A rotation of CC,Hughes,Lee,Burnett would mean the Yanks would use the #5 spot to break in another young pitcher…Joba is the best of the ML ready young arms in the system and if he CAN and DOES realize his vast potential he COULD be the best of the 5 guys in the rotation…

    I know Eiland wants to close the book on Joba the SP but I think that’s foolish at this stage and maybe the Yanks in that scenario with Lee in the rotation take another shot with Joba if he’s earned it

  85. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Patrick, I think the Yanks will lock Phil up, if not this year, then next……unless something catastrophic happens; I don’t think he’ll hit FA or get close enough to it.

    I don’t think the Yankees see in Joba what you do, but I guess we’ll see.

  86. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    I disagree with Ben that the Yankees will definitely offer Vazquez arbitration. Again, the overall economy will play a big role.

  87. MT June 29th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    Ugh… I hate MY9 games… now we can’t hear Phil after he outduels Lee….

  88. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Betsy,

    If you asked any member of the Yankees FO if Joba will start next year they would all say no. But the season is not even half over. I think Joba will be a lockdown reliever for the rest of the year. His velocity is up, he’s already showing signs…

    I doubt the Yanks will extend Phil, why would they? They didn’t extend Wang because pitchers are injury prone… you saw how that worked out :(

    The Yanks don’t need to take the risk and spend big bucks on a young player. THey have enough money to wait out their arb years and sign them to a big contract once they hit FA. It’s too risky to lock up a pitcher long term when you don’t have to.

  89. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    Rich, I wouldn’t offer him arb – he’d probably take it. I said at the beginning of the year that if Javy pitched well I would seriously consider re-signing him instead of going after Lee. I don’t think that’s the case, though, and his stuff isn’t that great.

  90. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    Betsy

    What you are not realizing I think is that Fernando Martinez has the looks of an perennial all star OF’er…

    His ceiling is an Andre Ethier type and that would be a good get for the M’s….they want to spin Lee into the guy that best plugs the wholes in their system and C is the major hole however they also have no true power hitting Of’ers and Ichiro is 37…..FMart is the real deal and would look great next to Guti the next 5-10yrs

  91. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Patrick, Phil’s injuries have been flukey….I just think they will want to lock this kid up instead of paying him the going rate of FA. Teams are locking up their young pitchers now; if Phil lives up to expectations and hits FA, the bidding will be ridiculous because he will be one of the few young pitchers to hit FA. Now, this is all predicated on Phil continuing to stay healthy and pitch well, of course – but since they see him as a huge part of their team for a long time, why not lock him up (eventually)?

  92. CompassRosy June 29th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    I hate the M?s ? per Ken Rosenthal, they?d take Thole, Martinez and a not-great pitching prospect from the Mets for Lee, but they?d demand Montero and a solid pitching prospect. I don?t know how Cash ever does business with any GMs as most of them are out to rob him blind.

    Somehow I doubt Jack Z is telling Ken Rosenthal what he’d accept from whom…

  93. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    I think the Yankees interest has little to do with Andy and nothing to do with Joba.

    I think they are going all in for him and hope Andy comes back.

    I also think they see Brackman as more of a future rotation option than Joba at this point.

    Even if Joba dominates in the second half, I still think their priority is to get Cliff Lee in the off-season and hope Andy returns.

    Presuming good health for all involved of course.

  94. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    Patrick……The way things are shaping up, Joba may not even be the 8th inning option come the stretch run…….If the Yanks do win it all in 2010, the chances for Andy to finally hanging them up is greatly enhanced…..Cliff Lee is going to be offered the deal of his lifetime to pitch in The Bronx…….I’m still not completely convinced that Lee doesn’t come sooner…..As I stated, for Joba to be even considered for a starting spot in the 2010 rotation, he’ll need to start turning things around, and as of yet he really hasn’t provided that in my mind……

  95. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    I think it’s too early to tell, Betsy.

    Cash is pretty good at reading the market, so he should have a good grasp of whether or not it’s make sense.

  96. THE TRUTH June 29th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    A rotation of CC, Lee, Burnett, Pettite, and Hughes would just be silly (in a good way).

  97. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    The Yanks will def offer Vazquez arb and he will decline it because there will be a multi year deal out there for him….

    Agents aren’t stupid and they want their commissions as well…

    He would be advised against taking a 1yr 13mil offer from the Yanks when there will be at least a 3yr 40-45 mil offer out there for him from teams like the Cards, Milwaukee or the Nats who may go to 4yrs if javy continues to pitch well and pitches well in the playoffs…

    The Yanks will take the 2 picks as Javy will be a Type A FA.

  98. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 6:29 pm

    Re: Cliff Lee, Andy Pettitte and Joba Chamberlain

    I would feel much better about spending 125 million on Cliff Lee coming off a second CY award if Pettitte’s money comes off the books and a long term opportunity reopens for Joba in the rotation.

    I agree with Champ that should Joba manage to claim the 5th spot in 2011 and launch from there, the above scenario is the best case one for the Yankees.

    Joba has 3 plus pitches. Command is something that can be taught to a young pitcher.

    Worst case scenario, Joba turns into Edwin Jackson and pitches no hitters with 8 BB’s.

  99. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    I just read Klapisch’s article today – he says Lee is intrigued by playing in NY, esp. since CC won title here, but the article was mostly about the Mets, so he’s speculating that Lee could be pitching for the Mets or Yankees. He didn’t make it sound like Lee is hot to trot to pitch for the Yankees, but I guess a lot of $$$ will change someone’s mind.

  100. MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Just wanted to say for the record that there have been some really terrific posts and discussions on here today. :)

  101. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Patrick, did you not watch the 8th inning Sunday night vs. The Dodgers ???? At some point in time the club is going to say enough……He’s going in the wrong direction

  102. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    Rich, that’s true – and I trust Cash in that regard.

  103. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    You can teach great command? I don’t know about that………….

  104. kd June 29th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    pat m,

    from reading your posts, is it fair to say that you think joba’s problems are physical? do you think he’s not putting in the conditioning work? he ‘looks’ bigger this year, but is that all?

    i always thought it was mostly mental with him, but i could always be wrong.

  105. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Javy may end up being the second best FA pitcher on the market.

    If that’s the case, he will make more money as a FA than he would get in arbitration.

    That would make offering him arbitration a smart move.

  106. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    The Yanks are aware that Joba has pitched a helluva lot better than most fans think he has…

    What I personally would like to see from him is to keep hitters guessing by throwing his curve a lil more in place of the slider…it will actually improve his slider a give the hitters 1 more thing to think about other than fastball/ slider..

  107. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    If that’s the case, then yeah, I offer arb to Javy and take the 2 picks.

  108. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    He hasn’t pitched better than “most” fans think.

    They see the same things everybody else sees.

    Inconsistency. Lack of command. Labor with guys on base. Fluctuating velocity due to his lack of consistent mechanics.

    Right now, let’s hope he can do better in the role he is in because no Yankee decisionmaker is concerned about anymore than that when it comes to Joba.

  109. MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    The band of loyal Joba supporters is likely to be disappointed but some of us (like myself) can’t seem to let go of the dream of Joba’s potential.

    I guess I’m going down with that ship. It won’t be the first time for me.

    One off season of API and one epiphany could do wonders to prevent that from happening. I’m hoping even though chances are slim and the odds great.

  110. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    the 8th inning in that Dodgers game he threw great….the mistake was the walk and then Posada who has no arm at this point let the runner steal second with a throw that barely got past the pitchers mound….

    Furcal- an all star caliber player and one of the toughest guys in the league to k- battled and finallly got the barrel of the bat on an 87mph slider and won a good battle…it happens!

    You guys are under the impressions that pitchers can’t fail and that’s not the case only Mo is perfect every time out….

    Again all I’d encourage Joba to do is incorporate his curveball-which is a plus pitch- into his late inning mix along with the 4 seamer and slider….and I think he’ll be fine

  111. RMS June 29th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    “What you are not realizing I think is that Fernando Martinez has the looks of an perennial all star OF’er…”

    He gets hurt a lot.

    ———————————————————————–

    Think Joba should stay in the pen even though he is inconsistent.

  112. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
    Maybe I haven’t been clear so I’ll spell it out for guys like Pat M that think I am saying this based on blind faith.

    I think one of two things will happen.

    1. Pettitte retires, the Yanks decide they need another “sure thing” and sign Cliff Lee. Joba wins the 5th starter job.

    2. Pettitte does not retire (but does get a raise because of his great 2010), the Yanks decide they don’t want to invest 5 years, 100 million in Cliff Lee. Joba wins the 5th starter job. Why don’t the Yankees want to spend that money on Lee? Well…
    a. They are already investing massive amounts of money in Burnett, Sabathia and Pettitte. Hughes has just hit arb and will be an FA relatively soon.
    b. I think the Yanks win the WS again in 2010 and do it with mostly the same rotation as in 2009. Cashman realizes that the core of this rotation is fine and doesn’t need another ace at an exorbitant cost.

    **************

    I agree with all this. I hope scenario 1 happens because Cliff Lee helps the rotation long term more than Pettitte and with a rotation of CC, Lee, Hughes and Burnett…the risk of working in Joba as a fifth starter is much smaller. Even if he pitches to an ERA of 5 it’s worth it because he’s cheap and his stuff is so good there’s a good chance he will build upon a mediocre 2011 campaign. You can’t teach stuff. Command…different story.

  113. Roger(The Dutch Yankees Fan)Final 8!! June 29th, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    Do the Yankees really see Joba as their 5th starter next year?

  114. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Yeah actually he has pitched better than “most” fans including you think…

    again what was the crime of how he pitched Sunday? that he gave up a run?

    If Posada had an arm then Joba throws a shutout inning and K’s 2….

    Furcal fouled of a few very good fastballs in the mid-upper ’90s but again he’s been doing that for 10 yrs….

    and his 5 era is the result of 2 really bad games…they happened but it’s still 2 games….

  115. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Don’t blame that inning on Posada.

    Why is everything always someone else’s fault when it comes to Joba?

    Leadoff walks kill you everytime. Especially to a guy that’s slow to the plate like Joba is.

    How about just stepping up, getting outs, and having a clean inning? It is allowed.

    Joba’s problems are Joba’s and nobody else should be pulled into it v

  116. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    trades are made based on potential and projection and in the case of Fernando Martinez he looks like a future stud….

    I’d love to have him in RF for the Yanks the next 10-15 yrs with his LH swing….too bad the Yanks and Mets would never trade

  117. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Sucks that West is behind the plate; he shouldn’t umpiring ANY Yankees or Sox games as he has absolutely no integrity.

  118. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    No, it’s not just the result of two bad games.

    He’s been inconsistent all season. That’s his problem.

    Not Posada or anybody else.

  119. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    The “crime” is giving up a run in that situation.

    His job is to not give up runs.

    Giving up tack on runs is not what you are looking for from your bullpen.

    Can’t always expect miracle comebacks.

  120. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Champ, that base was stolen on Joba, as Posada nor Johnny Bench would have any chance ……As for all these plus pitches, well you have command of those plus pitches and throw them for strikes …..Thus lies the problem with Joba Chamberlain…….If you can’t throw strikes and stay ahead in the count you end up in the bullpen, and when you can’t do that in the setup role, your number is no longer on the bullpens speed dial……..

  121. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    It is allowed and Joba’s had a whole bunch of them this season…conveniently forgotten about on this blog sometimes…

    And it’s not an excuse for Joba it’s the way that inning played out…

    Controlling the running game is something that’s allowed as well and If you want to play the C position you have to be able to throw the ball…that was a woefully awful throw from Posada on a 95mph fastball…woeful and it contributed to the run being scored there…right or wrong?

  122. Detroit Tigers Hater since 2006 June 29th, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    “Cliff Lee, who beat the Yanks twice in last year’s Fall Classic, is coming off of two complete-game gems. ”

    This sounds just bad. Tonight is a giveaway game.

    But the great news is Joel Kumbya is out for the season. F U Tigers! Yeah!!

  123. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Re: Posada’s arm

    The throw was pathetic on the pitch out. He looks like he can’t reach second base at this point.

    As for Joba’s stuff, I agree with Champ and Patrick. The velocity is trending higher and we’re seeing flashes of his patented slider. These are subtle changes but I’ve observed them as well.

    I also understand it’s difficult for some to imagine we’ll see more of his plus stuff based on the infrequency of his A stuff overall.

    However, with the stuff we saw regularly in 2007 and a large part of 2008, it’s hard for me to fathom Joba can’t handle the fifth spot in our starting rotation. Our current fifth starter has an ERA over 5 and struggled mightily for a long stretch yet we’re still winning. I think Joba’s inconsistency is easy to hide at the bottom of the rotation.

    Joba just needs to find his mechanics before the year’s out but if his most recent stuff is any kind of hint of things to come, he will turn his year around as Patrick predicts.

  124. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Look at his game logs SJ and then tell me how good or bad he’s been….then show me another reliever in the league that has “not given up runs” this season….

  125. Roger(The Dutch Yankees Fan)Final 8!! June 29th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Being happy that someone is injured..?really?

  126. GeorgeInJax June 29th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Is there any word on Dustin Moseley yet?

  127. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    That base was not stolen on Joba…it was a pitchout and Jorge threw the ball into the ground six feet in front of the bag 3ft to the SS side of the second base bag….Jeter was in between the bag and the mound when he fielded it on one hop!?

  128. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    How is it Joba’s fault that his catcher can’t throw out a base runner on a pitch out?

  129. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    I just wonder how many inherited base runners has Joba allowed to score this season ????? And all the while he’s shaking off his catchers…..Hell, he’s been doing that for a few years now…..He did it when Molina was catching him a few years ago when Joba was the 23 year old veteran who was infatuated with his NY Post headlines…….He has a gifted right arm, however unless something happens real soon it may never be realized….Well not in NYC that is……His stock has dropped & unlike General Motors, there’s no indication that it’ll be on the rise anytime soon

  130. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    And I’m not ragging on Jorge as I love him and always defend him but it is what it is….that was one of the most pathetic throws I’ve ever seen Jorge make…..

  131. MTU (aka GBURL) June 29th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Enjoy the game folks.

    Best of luck to YMH.

    Do a good job Phil beat Lee with a gem of your own, and I will try to do something special to honor your work. ;)

  132. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    Noesi pitches a 7 inning complete game shutout. 5 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 4 strikeouts. 2 ground outs, 12 fly outs. Final score was 4-0.

    Austin Krum with a solo homer. Laird’s RBI Single was his 78th in 76 games. Romine fished with 1-3 and a run svored.

  133. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    Lets go Yankees!!!

  134. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    Another reminder. Joba outpitched Hughes out of the pen in the post season with better stuff and Girardi trusted Joba more with the season on the line.

    They have NOT given up on Joba.

  135. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Pitchers, ALL PITCHERS, routinely shake off catchers! It’s what they do! unless they feel that they are in a rhythm and the Catcher is reading their minds practically…

    I personally feel that Pitchers should focus more on executing the pitch called as most are not great thinkers out there and very few have the keen ability to really read hitters and set them up accordingly…

  136. Doreen from Deerfield beach June 29th, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    I was always impressed by BJ Upton’s skills, but would be very leery of hum on a Yankees team. He could have embraced being a veteran in Tampa (admittedly a young veteran) and set a positive tone there. Instead he shows signs of selfishness. It really should not matter if you are on a contending team or not, but that os besides the point because Tampa is a legitimate player in the AL East.

    Job is toughie for me. I so much want him to succeed, as a starter, but I realize that something has changed with him and it makes me very sad. I will always root for him to get back to the guy who pitched a nail biter against the Red Sox, who lost his way as a result of an I’ll-timed injury, which may not have been physically devastating,but must have had some emotional backlash from it. He lost his confidence and he lost his way. But if he only makes it as a reliever, I hope he is a good one.

    I am not naive and I realize players sometimes do not fulfill their potential, but I figure it costs me nothing to hope for the best for some of these young men.

  137. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Nobody shakes off more than Joba.

    Geez, the Yankees have spent YEARS with him on this.

    He did it in AZ, walked a guy, Posada got in his grill, he didn’t shake off the rest of the inning, and got thru the inning.

    Everybody knows Joba gets in trouble when he shakes off too much. He has said so himself.

    Bret,

    Phil Hughes is going to make the All Star Team this year. Joba is pitching to a 5+ ERA out of the bullpen.

    I think it’s safe to say the small sample of last post-season means nothing right now.

  138. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    wow look at that wind.

  139. Peter Abe. June 29th, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    Have the sox taken lead against Rays in the game yet?

  140. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    We want change ups.

  141. UnKnown June 29th, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    whats up with the grass in the outfield. it looks horrendous

  142. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    Stadium outfield looks like the aftermath of a football scrimmage……Hughes just pounds the zone

  143. RalphieD (OPPC) June 29th, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    nice easy inning for hughes…no ill effects of the rest shown in that inning…was 94-95 in the bradley ab

  144. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Apparently my words are written on this blog in white lettering, nobody seems to actually read what I’m writing.

    I’m not contending that Joba has been great this year, simply that he’s shown signs of returning to his 2007/2008 form. Velocity has risen as the year has gone on, his slider looks good. I am predicting he will be awesome for the rest of the year. If he does as I think he will, he’ll be in the mix for the 5th starter job next year.

  145. Anon June 29th, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    Jeter grounds out to shortstop.

    The Master Groundout King continues his fine work. LOL.

  146. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Swish!!!

  147. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Hey Randy Levine, do you really need that extra coin to help pay the mortgage…….My lawn looks better……Maybe one costly bad hop will result in a stern memo to numb nuts…..Don’t like that guy

  148. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    SJ,

    The fact that Joba was trusted over Phil in the post season with the season on the line illustrates my point that Girardi has invested great faith in Joba very recently.

    We’re halfway through the year and Joba’s just now starting to flash glimpses of his best stuff.

    You can’t conclusively state that the organization has no faith in Joba.

    Girardi did very recently and he’s the 8th inning guy today despite his early struggles.

    He can turn the year around just as Javy did and hopefully Tex and Granderson will.

    For someone who comes down so hard on naysayers bounded by short term vision, you’re one to talk.

    Maybe you’ve been sniffing too much Matt glue

    ;)

  149. Terry from NH June 29th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Nice job Swish.. Get that early run for Phil!

  150. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    bound by

  151. Pete Abe. June 29th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Well, you know that’s the only run Lee will allow tonight.

  152. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    I didn’t say they were permanently down on him.

    I said his days as a starter are over.

    I think they see him more as a bullpen piece than a starter. Now and in the future.

    I also don’t believe they will decide not to pursue Cliff Lee in the off-season because they envision Joba back in the rotation in 2011.

  153. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Hanger

  154. RalphieD (OPPC) June 29th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    really nice dive by huffman…just missed it

  155. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    Hitman, Sunday night never happened

  156. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Terrible 0-2 pitch, terrible play by Granderson.

  157. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    lol Granderson

  158. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    I hope Phil doesn’t shy away from the curve after hanging one.

  159. qiantom June 29th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Hughes better get his secondary pitches working or he won’t pitch well in the second half.

  160. qiantom June 29th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Hughes is far from a complete pitcher to me. What’s his out pitch for god’s sake?

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