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No Gardner in Seattle opener

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 29, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posada DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Chad Huffman LF
Francisco Cervelli C

RHP Phil Hughes

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110 Responses to “No Gardner in Seattle opener”

  1. Phil is the man, AJ is acting like a BOY June 29th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    why no T Bone ?

  2. RalphieD (OPPC) June 29th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    im looking forward to seeing huffman start…after his huge hit in LA, maybe it will spark him for a while….

    i love seeing the role players on the team succeed….sure its nice that we have allstars and hof’ers but there is something about the lesser known players on the team succeeding that i really enjoy

  3. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Might be interested in Upton. but it would be Justin Upton.

    Dunn doesn’t want to DH.

    Mets might have inside track for Lee, if they don’t require time to negotiate an extension.

    SJ- Would the Pirates really consider trading Joel Hanrahan, obtained from the Nats for Nyjer Morgan? Great strikeout ratio.

    How long will Gardner be out?

  4. Mike June 29th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Is Russo the odd-man out when Timms comes back?

  5. Huby June 29th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Do we have any chance against Lee?

  6. S44 June 29th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    I think the Yankees have been looking at Hanrahan. He was hurt earlier in the year.

    Supposedly, he’s healthy now.

    I think Gardner will be back in a couple of days.

    Looks like Russo will be the odd man out when Thames comes back.

    I wouldn’t send Huffman or Curtis down right now.

  7. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 29th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    No winners in today’s GTLU, but the following people came very close, only reversing Huffman and Cervelli in the batting order:

    Joe from Long Island
    Patrick from CT
    champ809
    Unknown
    yankswin27
    RayVT
    Joe from NC

    I have updated the GTLU page with today’s lineup, the near-winners and the participants. I didn’t update the standings today because there was no real change, since Girardi foiled everyone, and because I’m sitting out in the hot, humid conditions here in Florida!! :)

  8. S44 June 29th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Do we have any chance against Lee?

    ———————————————————————-

    No, the game is over before it starts.

    The Yankees can never beat good pitchers. They aren’t like the Red Sox.

    I figure I’d save you from posting under different names by writing the nonsense you will write as the night goes on.

    No chance, game over, go away and post the same thing tomorrow before King Felix pitches.

  9. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    One could argue the same about Granderson Patrick.

    Its one of those trades that could boom or bust bigtime for either team.

    Probably why it won’t be made.

    “Bad” Granderson has been far superior to “Bad” Upton

  10. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    I can see Upton getting in Posada’s face like he did Longoria.

  11. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos June 29th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    The problem with Upton is that there is no guarantee that being on a veteran team will make him less of a risk in the all-important attitude area. With Granderson, you know that even if he’s not executing, you are getting 100% effort and you’re not going to get negative attitude.

    i don’t think I’d be willing to take that chance, especially since it looks like Cashman is going through great pains to bring men into NY whose history makes that attitude risk very low.

  12. My 2 cents June 29th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    I figure I’d save you from posting under different names by writing the nonsense you will write as the night goes on.

    SJ did you drop the “J” or are you posting under a different name as well?

  13. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    I prefer Matt Kemp over BJ Upton as a buy-low change-of-scenery type acquisition. It’s far more realistic than engaging a division rival as well.

  14. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    I can see Upton getting in Posada’s face like he did Longoria.

    The difference is, Posada would snap Bossman Junior over his knee.

  15. Jerkface June 29th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Granderson is not having the best season, but he plays hard all the time, takes a lot of pitches, has played good defense, and hits for more power than Upton.

  16. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    ““Bad” Granderson has been far superior to “Bad” Upton”

    Superior, yes. Far?

  17. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    I prefer Matt Kemp over BJ Upton as a buy-low change-of-scenery type acquisition. It’s far more realistic than engaging a division rival as well.

    The Dodgers would have to be idiots to trade us Matt Kemp…

    Maybe I’m giving Ned Colletti too much credit?

  18. My 2 cents June 29th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Not if he’s still tappen Rihanna – see a Diaz, Cameron as to what hot chicks can do to a mans power!!!

  19. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Upton is an amazing talent, but can a leopard change his spots ???? We have only seen glimpses of the real Curtis Granderson…….Interesting concept though SJ…..

  20. S44 June 29th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    I don’t know about that Patrick.

    I like Granderson and I think he’s going to be a good player for the Yankees. I think he’s played well so far this year.

    BJ Upton can be a GREAT player in the right environment. Hall of Fame type player.

    Will he reach his potential? Definitely won’t in Tampa. Can he elsewhere? No idea.

    It is interesting though to think about putting BJ on a team with Derek Jeter, with whom he is very tight, and see how he would do.

    Sometimes, a change of scenery works for a player.

    Like I said, its one of those deal that either booms or busts for either team that makes it.

    Probably why it won’t happen but, I would definitely consider it if it was a one for one deal.

    That’s a risk worth taking, IMO.

  21. kd June 29th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    sj,

    really interesting trade suggestion from the last thread. i am concerned about the financials. would tampa take on that salary? hasn’t cashman always said he wouldn’t want to pay a player to play against us?

    would the tampa gm just hang up?

  22. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Now Matt Kemp is a whole different story

  23. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Granderson would be an extremely valuable player for the Yanks if the Yanks would just go out and find a platoon partner for him.

  24. AE June 29th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Getting traded would be a wakeup call for Upton

    And coming here, he will shine here. The vets will put him in his place.

  25. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Matt Kemp is an idiot. All caught up with Rihanna. Not focusing on his game.

  26. G-C June 29th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    “““Bad” Granderson has been far superior to “Bad” Upton”

    Superior, yes. Far?”

    I think so.

    Granderson: .237/.317/.435
    Upton: .223/.318/.392

    Getting on base at the same clip, and Upton is hitting for far less power.

    Upton also doesn’t have Granderson’s track record. He has had ONE, I repeat, ONE, above average season in the big leagues.

    What is it that makes people think this guy is some impending superstar? He’s been pretty terrible for the majority of his time in the major leagues.

    Ya know what, if BJ Upton played hard and minded his own business like Curtis Granderson did, no one would consider him an “up and coming superstar.” He benefits from moaping around like a dog and its no wonder why he’s continued to act that way. He is a terrible influence on chemistry, a malcontent, and for a crappy player I don’t see any reason why any team should touch him with a six foot pole.

  27. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Superior, yes. Far?

    Both had the worst years of their career in 2009.

    Bad B.J.

    .241/.313/.373, 11 HR, 42 SB, very good fielding

    Bad CG

    .249/.327/.453, 30 HR, 20 SB, very good fielding

    Add in the fact that “Bad B.J.” doesn’t give a crap, stops trying at times and snaps at his teammates whereas “Bad Granderson” does none of these things, yeah I’d say CG is far superior.

  28. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Yanks should’ve taken a shot on Alex Rios last year. GB7 and I were the most vocal advocates of a buy-low trade for Rios. He’s one of the more valuable CF’s in all of baseball, if not THEE most valuable.

  29. Aaron June 29th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    would the tampa gm just hang up?

    Yes.

  30. Cobra 272 June 29th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    “Granderson would be an extremely valuable player for the Yanks if the Yanks would just go out and find a platoon partner for him.”

    The problem is that the Yanks will never admit that he is a platoon player even though the numbers make it glaringly obvious.

    They took a chance that Long might be able to change him, but he hasn’t. He is the same guy he always has been.

    The first step is them not making Granderson out to be better than he is.

  31. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    # Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Yanks should’ve taken a shot on Alex Rios last year. GB7 and I were the most vocal advocates of a buy-low trade for Rios. He’s one of the more valuable CF’s in all of baseball, if not THEE most valuable.

    Too much money.

  32. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    BJ Upton can be a GREAT player in the right environment. Hall of Fame type player.

    Upton has never been a great player but now he has hall of fame talent? You are vastly exaggerating the capabilities of B.J. Upton.

  33. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    BJ Upton and Matt Kemp are the same kind of players from an attitude perspective.

    They aren’t “bad guys”. They actually are good guys. Unfortunately, they both have issues playing hard all the time.

    That’s the byproduct of being on teams lacking veteran leadership, IMO.

    Kemp though is more of a RF playing CF. BJ is probably the best defensive CF in the game right now.

    Its one of those boom or bust deals that GM’s, especially those in the same division, are loathe to make.

    However, if its a one for one deal, I would think about it because I think BJ is still young enough to turn around the course of his career.

  34. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Three players on Seattle that would be worth having that they might actually move would be Cliff Lee, Franklin Gutierrez and Brandon League. If there was an actual committment by Lee to sign a 4-5 year extension. Not sure if a package of Romine, Luis Nunez, Brackman, Nova, Warren and either Miranda or Vazquez for all three. I’d hate to include Gardner and it would make no sense in swapping Gutierrez for Swisher.

  35. Aaron June 29th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    All caught up with Rihanna. Not focusing on his game.

    hahaha. Could you?

  36. Yankee Trader June 29th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Matt Kemp is still one of the premier CF’ers in the game. Don’t think he’ll be dangled.

    Suspect the Yankees will be aggressive at the plate tonight, swinging at a lot of first pitch strikes, against control artist Lee. Also suspect Hughes, if not overthrowing due to the layoff, to be great.

  37. Scott June 29th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    This isin’t “bad” Granderson though, this is what Granderson is.

    He is a low OBP, can’t hit lefties, strikes out a ton, doesn’t hit for average, plays good defense, and hits HRs.

    It’s not like he is performing well below his career norms. Slightly below, but not that far off. He’s really only had 2 good seasons in his career, one great season.

    I would take the chance that Upton fulfills his immense potential. The physical tools are all there and we’ve seen it a couple of years ago.

  38. Jimmy June 29th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    granderson is crap

  39. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Oh give me a freaking break. Gutierrez is far and away the BEST defensive CF in the majors.

    When healthy Beltran is better than Upton. Sizemore too.

  40. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    # Aaron June 29th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    All caught up with Rihanna. Not focusing on his game.

    hahaha. Could you?

    Um yeah?

    Money > Rihanna

  41. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    GB-

    Brandon League has always been a fav of mine. He used to just dominate the Yanks when he was in Toronto. Electric stuff. I know he has been fantastic at Safeco and mediocore everywhere else this year but I think he would be a great guy to have in the Yanks pen and could be an eighth inning guy easily with that type of stuff.

  42. Jerkface June 29th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    I think Rios looked to be on a downslide, because unlike Swisher, he didn’t really post an unlucky BABIP. He started hitting twice as many infield flies. His HR/FB subsequently dropped, and his XBH% went down.

    Rios is doing awesome now tho. Cut down his strike outs a bit, his walk rate is down, but his HR/FB rate increased (the cell?) and he is hitting more line drives and fly balls than ever before.

  43. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Above average fielder. Above average arm and speed.

    He has power but, Steve Henderson has messed up his stroke and its been a $#$$%$ trying to fix it. Especially since he has no confidence in the coaching staff.

    The guy has HOF tools. There aren’t 10 players in the game with more tools.

    He has two problems:

    1. Effort.
    2. He hates the coaching staff there because he feels they have screwed up his stroke and can’t help him fix it.

    Both fixable in a different location.

  44. Yanks LI June 29th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Since when is Granderson now Babe Ruth?

    He is a flawed player who can hit HRs and can play good D (and Upton is a better defensive player than him anyway).

    Let’s not act like he has 5-tool, superstar ability like Upton. Upton has rare talent. Granderson has above average talent.

  45. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    # Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Oh give me a freaking break. Gutierrez is far and away the BEST defensive CF in the majors.

    When healthy Beltran is better than Upton. Sizemore too.

    Guess what, they aren’t healthy.

  46. Aaron June 29th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    So, you wanna give up a package of Romine, Nunez, Brackman, Nova and either Miranda or Vazquez for a guy that you’re going to have to pay twice?
    The Yankees are the best team in baseball right now – what is the logic behind this?
    Can someone please explain why Cashman is inclined to make this move? He’s going to give up 120M AND four or five players to a 32 year old soft tosser with a few years worth looking at? Free agent – absolutely, but why pay TWICE?

  47. G-C June 29th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Scott,

    Granderson has had two great seasons in the big leagues.

    Upton has had one.

    Granderson has no baggage.

    Upton has plenty of it.

    Just don’t get all of this fawning over Upton. The single most important tool any player can have is the ability to hit the baseball. Upton has never shown the ability, outside of one season, to be a consistent offensive player.

  48. My 2 cents June 29th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Yanks should’ve taken a shot on Alex Rios last year.

    ++++++++++

    Have you seen what vernon wells has done this year? funny how being healthly can change a man’s ability to play well. Imagine if the yankees had traded for wells and halladay and given up no one significant in return for him last year? They’d still have coke, jackson and IPK (or traded IPK for some other need) melky and aroldys v

  49. oemoR ohcE June 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Expectation:

    The Red Sox get decimated by the injuries and swept by the Rays. The Yankees finally get some separation distance from them in the standings.

    Reality:

    ?

  50. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    I’m afraid that Kemp may be eating his way out of center field and into a corner spot.

  51. Mr. Clean June 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    BJ is the classic “change of scenery” case. So so much talent.

    If you could get him for Grandy, I think you have to do it.

  52. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Actually, BJ Upton and Curtis Granderson would be spectacular platoon partners.

  53. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Carl June 29th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
    # Aaron June 29th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    All caught up with Rihanna. Not focusing on his game.

    hahaha. Could you?

    Um yeah?

    Money > Rihanna
    ————————-
    Haha totally agree. Plus, Rihanna is starting to get a little scary looking if you ask me. If Kemp becomes the best CF in the game he could get better imo.

  54. raymagnetic June 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    “He has had ONE, I repeat, ONE, above average season in the big leagues.

    What is it that makes people think this guy is some impending superstar? He’s been pretty terrible for the majority of his time in the major leagues. ”

    He’s actually had 2 above average seasons and he was 22 and 23 the years he was above average. That’s likely the reason people think he’ll be a superstar.

    He got on base at a .380 clip those two years as well. Something has gone very wrong for him the past year and a half but before that he looked like he would be a very useful player.

  55. I Like Inge June 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Granderson wasn’t crappy last Wednesday hitting the go ahead HR in the 10th. Or Sunday working a key walk in the 9th inning rally and scoring the tying run.

  56. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    # Yanks LI June 29th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Since when is Granderson now Babe Ruth?

    He is a flawed player who can hit HRs and can play good D (and Upton is a better defensive player than him anyway).

    Let’s not act like he has 5-tool, superstar ability like Upton. Upton has rare talent. Granderson has above average talent.

    Yeah because Granderson likes to “Jog” after balls in the gap like true 5 tool players do. Who cares how much talent he has if hes not putting in the work to maximize it. The guy is an idiot.

  57. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Beltran and Sizemore are not better defensive CF’s than Upton.

    Gutierrez is probably better at this point. Not by much.

    The guy is a great defensive CF.

    You are undervaluing him because he doesn’t play hard all the time. That’s why he’s available.

    The tools and talent however are there.

  58. tampayank June 29th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    The Rays would never trade Upton to the Yankees. They would ship him to the NL

  59. Scott June 29th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Upton is 3.5 years younger than Granderson.

    Granderson is 29. Upton doesn’t turn 26 till August.

  60. Aaron June 29th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    He hates the coaching staff there because he feels they have screwed up his stroke and can?t help him fix it.

    Is this true? How do you know this?

  61. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Carl June 29th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
    # Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Yanks should’ve taken a shot on Alex Rios last year. GB7 and I were the most vocal advocates of a buy-low trade for Rios. He’s one of the more valuable CF’s in all of baseball, if not THEE most valuable.

    Too much money.
    ****************

    Better than too-many prospects.

    THe White Sox nabbed him for money alone because they were willing to pay him.

    He’s earning every penny of that contract now and he’s a huge part of the White Sox team and one of the main reasons why they’re still in the hunt.

  62. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    “Guess what, they aren’t healthy.”

    Guess what, Upton still isn’t the best CF in baseball and it’s not even close.

    “The guy has HOF tools. There aren’t 10 players in the game with more tools.”

    Justin Upton, Matt Kemp, Alex Rodriguez, Albert Pujols, Jason Heyward, Evan Longoria, Josh Hamilton, Robinson Cano, Troy Tulowitzki, Hanley Ramirez

    Do I need to continue?

  63. Yanks LI June 29th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Carl,

    Again, we’re not talking about attitude/effort…. just pure talent. Upton is much more talented than Granderson and younger.

    If we did trade for him, we’d hope the change of scenery eliminates the “dog” in him. Being surrounded by veterans who will lay down the law with him.

  64. G-C June 29th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    “You are undervaluing him because he doesn’t play hard all the time. That’s why he’s available.”

    If he played hard all the time he wouldn’t get nearly as much attention as he does now.

    Dogging it keeps him in the spotlight. Otherwise he’d be any other athletic 25 year old having a crappy season for the second year in a row.

    I think he enjoys moping around. Although you’d probably know better than I do.

  65. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Granderson should not be dealt. The Yankees could easily fix him by investing a small amount of money in a right hand hitting corner outfielder.

  66. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    You are undervaluing him because he doesn’t play hard all the time

    I’m undervaluing him because the results aren’t there. I don’t care how he plays as long as he produces. And guess what? He doesn’t produce anymore.

  67. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    If BJ Upton played with Granderson’s effort level every night, he’s one of the ten best players in the game. He has that much talent.

    If Curtis plays hard every night, which he does, he is what he is. A good player. Not one of the ten best players in the game.

    That’s the lure of BJ Upton.

    That’s also why he’s on the market AND is such a big risk.

    Like I have said, its the classic boom or bust risk you take if you acquire him.

  68. mx2 June 29th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    In my eyes, Rihanna (or however you spell her “name”) is as ugly as Elena Kagan.

  69. Z-Mac June 29th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Upton had back-to-back seasons of .380+ OBP. Upton also has 2 seasons with 40+ steals (and on his way to a 3rd this year)

    Granderson has never done that. Granderson’s career year yielded a .360 OBP

  70. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    # Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Carl June 29th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
    # Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Yanks should’ve taken a shot on Alex Rios last year. GB7 and I were the most vocal advocates of a buy-low trade for Rios. He’s one of the more valuable CF’s in all of baseball, if not THEE most valuable.

    Too much money.
    ****************

    Better than too-many prospects.

    THe White Sox nabbed him for money alone because they were willing to pay him.

    He’s earning every penny of that contract now and he’s a huge part of the White Sox team and one of the main reasons why they’re still in the hunt.

    If the Yankees grabbed him, he wouldn’t be playing CF. He would be playing right and Swish would have been traded. Hes in a good situation with the White Sox.

  71. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    I love Cano but I don’t know if he has more pure tools than Upton. It’s probably close in almost all categories but Upton has lots more speed. Cano is the much, much, much better player at this point but on just pure tools, I would probably give a slight edge to Upton….

  72. AJ Burnett June 29th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Brandon League has always been a fav of mine. He used to just dominate the Yanks when he was in Toronto. Electric stuff.

    ******************************
    Yes I say lets sign him – because you know I used to dominate the yankees when pitching in toronto and was mediocre against everyone else – and now look at me – i say my boy brandon league will be great with the yankees – just like me!!

  73. Jerkface June 29th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    Guitz is like twice as good as any other CFer by every metric, I think by eyes or opinions he has to be better than just “a little bit” over BJ upton.

  74. Tim June 29th, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    But if we trade Granderson, we don’t need a platoon player for Upton. The fact that we need a platoon player for him devalues him, no?

  75. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    My 2 cents June 29th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
    Yanks should’ve taken a shot on Alex Rios last year.

    ++++++++++

    Have you seen what vernon wells has done this year? funny how being healthly can change a man’s ability to play well. Imagine if the yankees had traded for wells and halladay and given up no one significant in return for him last year? They’d still have coke, jackson and IPK (or traded IPK for some other need) melky and aroldys v

    *************

    It looks good talent-wise but Halladay + Wells is 40 mil per year. I think Toronto was trying to bust our budget with that offering…no small task considering our vast resources.

  76. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Let’s break down that list.

    Heyward hasn’t even played 60 major league games yet. Too early to put him in that group.

    Tulo isn’t in that group. Neither is Longoria.

    Kemp doesn’t have more tools than BJ. Especially this edition of Matt Kemp. Not unless he loses 25 pounds.

    I’m talking about tools. Not production.

    Plenty of guys are outproducing BJ. That’s not news.

    More tools than he possesses? That’s a very small list.

  77. raymagnetic June 29th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    “In my eyes, Rihanna (or however you spell her “name”) is as ugly as Elena Kagan.”

    You should see if you could exchange your eyes for a better pair my friend. :P

  78. austinmac June 29th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    In the unlikely event the Yankees ever had a chance at Upton, all reasonable efforts should be made. He plays the outfield amazingly well(especially if he runs):) and his swing reminds me of Ernie Banks’. Playing with the Yankee veterans may well get the best out of him as I think it has with Cano.

  79. My 2 cents June 29th, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    In my eyes, Rihanna (or however you spell her “name”) is as ugly as Elena Kagan

    *******************

    Yes but have you seen her from behind..

    full disclosure…I’ve never seen Elena Kagan from behind!!!

  80. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    AJ Burnett June 29th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
    Brandon League has always been a fav of mine. He used to just dominate the Yanks when he was in Toronto. Electric stuff.

    ******************************
    Yes I say lets sign him – because you know I used to dominate the yankees when pitching in toronto and was mediocre against everyone else – and now look at me – i say my boy brandon league will be great with the yankees – just like me!!
    —————————————————
    If you didn’t cut my post in half you would realize the reason I like League isn’t because he dominated the Yanks. Any player you trade for could fail. Does that mean that they should just not get anybody for the pen and leave it the way it is having Mo pitch 2 innings every night. You gotta take a chance eventually. League is having a good year, is a great strikeout pitcher, and his stuff is plus. He’s also a reliever not a starter.

    And if you forgot (which I sure you did because you are stupid) AJ helped the team win a world series last year. I don’t consider the Burnett signing anywhere close to a bust yet.

  81. vblade June 29th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Upton is a headcase. Tools can only get you so far if you don’t have the right attitude and maturity, which he has shown many times.

  82. Yanks 81 June 29th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Grandy has a .890 OPS against righties for his career

    Even though his numbers suck this year, he is OPSing .870 against righties this year with a .361 OBP, and all but one of his HRs are against righties.

    The first thing the Yanks need to do is realize that he is a platoon player and get him a legit RH platoon partner.

  83. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Carl June 29th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    If the Yankees grabbed him, he wouldn’t be playing CF. He would be playing right and Swish would have been traded. Hes in a good situation with the White Sox.

    ************

    Not necessarily. Melky/Gardner was the CF platoon last year. The Yanks could’ve very easily slid in Rios for CF and kept Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy and Phil Coke. Gardner would’ve won the LF job and Melky would be the 4th OF with Austin Jackson tearing up AAA and prime to be dealt as the centerpiece for Cliff Lee.

  84. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    BJ Upton has had one year in which he hit RHP really well. In fact, he’s only had one year in which he was a significantly better than average hitter.

    So if you want Upton, it’s all on spec and tools. I don’t see why the Yanks would do it, especially as all Grandy needs is a cheap RH corner outfielder to spell him against lefties. If Granderson started primarily against righties everyone would love his numbers.

  85. AJ Burnett June 29th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
    AJ Burnett June 29th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
    Brandon League has always been a fav of mine. He used to just dominate the Yanks when he was in Toronto. Electric stuff.

    ******************************
    Yes I say lets sign him – because you know I used to dominate the yankees when pitching in toronto and was mediocre against everyone else – and now look at me – i say my boy brandon league will be great with the yankees – just like me!!
    —————————————————
    If you didn’t cut my post in half you would realize the reason I like League isn’t because he dominated the Yanks. Any player you trade for could fail. Does that mean that they should just not get anybody for the pen and leave it the way it is having Mo pitch 2 innings every night. You gotta take a chance eventually. League is having a good year, is a great strikeout pitcher, and his stuff is plus. He’s also a reliever not a starter.

    And if you forgot (which I sure you did because you are stupid) AJ helped the team win a world series last year. I don’t consider the Burnett signing anywhere close to a bust yet.
    **************

    Tyler I’m a headcase – and since i actually suck at pitching this year i thought i’d try my luck at posting!!

  86. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    # Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    Carl June 29th, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    If the Yankees grabbed him, he wouldn’t be playing CF. He would be playing right and Swish would have been traded. Hes in a good situation with the White Sox.

    ************

    Not necessarily. Melky/Gardner was the CF platoon last year. The Yanks could’ve very easily slid in Rios for CF and kept Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy and Phil Coke. Gardner would’ve won the LF job and Melky would be the 4th OF with Austin Jackson tearing up AAA and prime to be dealt as the centerpiece for Cliff Lee.

    They could have but I doubt they would have.

  87. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    I’m talking about tools. Not production.

    So am I.

    So Heyward’s small sample size doesn’t matter if we are talking pure tools.

    Tulo has more power and a better fielder than Upton.

    Longoria ditto.

    Kemp… is being thin a tool? He’s a legit 5 tool player

  88. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Wave,

    That’s my point. Its a deal that is all based on spec and tools. The issue is, if the effort is there, can you bring out the tools? If the answer is “yes”, then you have one heckua player who isn’t even 27 yet.

    Like I said, its the classic boom or bust deal. Which is why it won’t be made.

  89. vblade June 29th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    The Yankees won’t get spoiled brats like Hanley Ramirez and BJ Upton. They have been building a team around team oriented, work hard and don’t create controversy types of guys since Cashman and co. took over. Those two definitely don’t count as the “high-character” types of guys the Yankees like.

  90. Chambliss June 29th, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    I can’t see the Rays trading Upton to another team in the A.L. East.

    Upton is a superior talent. His performance in the 2008 ALCS against the Red Sox was very impressive-4 homers and several outstanding plays in the field.

    Granderson seems like a very good fit for NY. He is articulate and intelligent, and he is an all around good player.

    I had the good fortune of getting the Dodgers feed last Friday night. Vin Scully is amazing. Like listening to music while you watch a game. He spent some time talking about Granderson’s parents who are both educators. No surprise that Granderson is a bright guy.

    I would rather focus on bullpen help which can be had for a lot less.

  91. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Sorry but i just saw this.

    I prefer Matt Kemp over BJ Upton as a buy-low change-of-scenery type acquisition. It’s far more realistic than engaging a division rival as well.

    ____

    Why would the Dodgers trade Kemp exactly?

  92. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Kemp thin? Have you seen him lately? He’s overweight. A big reason why he can’t run like he did last year.

    I think he’s been thrown out more on the bases than anybody in the NL right now.

    I don’t think Tulo is better defensively than Upton.

    Longoria and Tulo don’t run as well as Upton.

  93. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Not necessarily. Melky/Gardner was the CF platoon last year. The Yanks could’ve very easily slid in Rios for CF and kept Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy and Phil Coke. Gardner would’ve won the LF job and Melky would be the 4th OF with Austin Jackson tearing up AAA and prime to be dealt as the centerpiece for Cliff Lee
    ___

    There was no platoon. Gardner started and three weeks later he was the back up, pinch runner who occassionally came in when they moved melky to left or right for defense.

  94. austinmac June 29th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Is being thin a tool?

    No, but speed is and the last I heard, being overweight loses speed and hence one of the five tools.

    Will Upton become a star? I don’t know, but if you watch him play his tools are truly amazing. He reminds me of Cesar Cedeno. His head killed his five incredible tools. I hope it doesn’t happen to Upton. Again, I think he is worth a chance, particularly with veteran leadership around him. However, the Rays owner hates the Yankees and will never make a significant trade with them.

  95. tampayank June 29th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    won’t happen but “Uptown Upton” would be a great nickname :)

  96. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    SJ44,

    You missed my joke. I’m asking you if being thin is a tool. If so, then Upton has more tools, if not then they are equals. Just kidding sort of…

    How can you say Tulo isn’t better defensively? Upton was atrocious at SS whereas Tulo has stuck at the position and is in fact one of the better defensive shortstops in the league!

    Ok speed is one tool Upton has them both beaten on but Tulo and Longoria are both better fielders and have more power. 2-1 in favor of Tulo/Longoria.

  97. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    I would love Upton. Now I also think Granderson is a good fit for NY and I always really liked him on Detroit so I’m not upset that he is patrolling center in the Bronx. I can’t imagine the Rays trading him to the Yanks within the division and having to face a psyched-up Upton 18 times a year. But there is no doubt if he is available to all teams I would look into it. 2 years ago he was one of the most valuable young players in the game.

  98. tampayank June 29th, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    “# austinmac June 29th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    However, the Rays owner hates the Yankees and will never make a significant trade with them.

    The radio people in Tampa say he goes to more Mets than Rays games

  99. Roger(The Dutch Yankees Fan)Final 8!! June 29th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    What would it take to get someone like Cody Ross?

  100. vinny-b June 29th, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    “In my eyes, Rihanna (or however you spell her “name”) is as ugly as Elena Kagan”
    —————————————————————————-

    don’t know who Elena Kagan is. However, IMO Rihanna is 1000x more attractive than Jessica Simpson and Jennifer Anniston. LoL. The power of the media

  101. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    In the Seattle deal that I outlined earlier, only based on Lee signing an extension, it frees up Vazquez to be dealt for prospects. It actually ends up filling 4 spots. It gives the Yankees one of the best defensive outfields in baseball, it moves Swisher to the fulltime DH spot, a top of the line starter and a young right handed bullpenner that throws 97 MPH and could fill the 7th or 8th innings and if necessary, close, as he did from time to time in Toronto.

  102. BIG AL June 29th, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    The Yankees seem to do better against the top flight pitchers they face, and average to below average against pitchers they should dominate. If this remains the case, we should do well against Lee, taking the same approach as we did against Hallady. Yes, I do remember how Lee pitched in the WS, but, I still believe knowing he’ll be throwing strkes, we can be more aggressive early in the account, IMO.

  103. Wakka Wakka June 29th, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Today’s featured article on Wikipedia is Mariano Rivera.

  104. tom tresh 15 June 29th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    I think SJ has been impersonated again. Especially in the last thread talking about Gary Sanchez.

  105. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    austinmac June 29th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
    Is being thin a tool?

    No, but speed is and the last I heard, being overweight loses speed and hence one of the five tools.

    Will Upton become a star? I don’t know, but if you watch him play his tools are truly amazing. He reminds me of Cesar Cedeno. His head killed his five incredible tools. I hope it doesn’t happen to Upton. Again, I think he is worth a chance, particularly with veteran leadership around him. However, the Rays owner hates the Yankees and will never make a significant trade with them.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Man….there’s a blast from the past. Cesar Cedeno. He had a chance when he came up at age 19, he looked for all the world like a young Roberto Clemente. He had everything you could ever want in a ball player. That he hit for that power and the speed playing on that runway at the Astro Dome. I believe that concrete killed his career.

  106. CompassRosy June 29th, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Three players on Seattle that would be worth having that they might actually move would be Cliff Lee, Franklin Gutierrez and Brandon League.

    Well, it was almost a given before the season started that Cliff would be moved (although considering how he has been even better than advertised, the deal would have to absolutely knock Jack’s socks off).

    As for Frankliln ….
    can’t really imagine a scenario where he would be moved. He’s Jack’s guy. He was the centerpiece of the JJ Putz trade (although Vargas seems to have worked out pretty well too) and is just coming into his prime. Those things coupled with the fact that he signed a 4-year deal this past off-season speak more to his being a type of player to build (or re-build) around, not one to let go of….

    As for Brandon ….
    jury’s still out on him and exactly what his role is (he’s mostly setup, but has also closed in DA’s absence). He”s been a bit inconsistent, but when he is on – yowsa!

  107. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Rosy, I’m only drooling at the idea of just how well they’d look in pinstripes. They are 3 top talents, each with something different to offer. I was hoping that I wouldn’t be caught gawking in the window.

  108. SportsGeek June 29th, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    OK… I haven’t been in the middle of this discussion.. BUT, to me, the Yankees don’t have huge needs to win it all this year. Here is my opinion of what they need:

    1. Some improvement in the Bullpen- can this come from SWB?? Albaladejo? Melancon (is he ready for another try?) Royce Ring?

    2. Some more hitting from the Bench- (I never quite understood why they didn’t resign Hinske and maybe Hairston from last year)- Nuñez from SWB? I’m not overflowing with additional ideas.

    3. Continued improvements from Tex, ARod, Granderson (and Jeter)

    4. Major improvements from Burnett compared to recent performance. (and continuation of the improved performance of Vazquez).

  109. champ809 June 29th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    I’ve been saying for 2yrs now that the Rays should be trying to trade Upton,sign Crawford to an extension- he should be their Derek Jeter – and bring Jennings up to play CF…

    They would never trade him to the Yanks but I’d be trying to get him to AZ in exchange for Miguel Montero….The Rays need a top tier C and Montero gives them that…..I’d call up the D’Backs and offer Upton and Wade Davis for Montero and Brandon Allen 1B and Qualls and see if it hits…

    The D’Backs may have an promotion bonanza over the next 10 yrs with the Upton bros…maybe they push each other to greatness and Wade may be a good #2-3 in the NL….

    The Rays get Montero as their everyday catcher, Qualls a good pen arm and Allen can take over 1B next season….use the $ to sign Crawford and promote Jennings and Hellickson to replace BJ and Wade…

  110. rover June 29th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    I like gardner better than upton. Gardner really doesns’t have tools, he just plays hard and seems to learn with every step up. Well he does have speed maybe a good arm too. He has had to learn to hit at every level nothing seems to be easy for the guy. But he does learn so it seems. Gardner with all his speed is not a natureal base stealer. Will he learn it, maybe, and quite likely probably. Then of course his head seems to be screwed on straight. Not sure upton will ever be able to boast of that. gardner simply wants to be here regardless of how hard he has to work. Not sure upton has any of those qualities.

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