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Yankees vs. Mariners

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jun 29, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Update, 7:19: And the Yankees and Mets could be in the market for this Lee guy? He just gave up that solo homer to Nick Swisher in the first. Actually, this Lee guy is pretty good. Some World Series memories are coming back from last fall.

Update, 7:31: It’s 1-1 in the second after Curtis Granderson botched Franklin Gutierrez’s single to center to let the run score, but that was quite a throw by Francisco Cervelli to erase Gutierrez easily trying to steal.

Update, 7:55: Phil Hughes hasn’t been overly sharp so far — two runs, five hits in three innings. He had been saying that he hadn’t pitched lately as well as his record indicated, at 10-1 coming into the game.

Update, 8:07: Hughes looked like he got the ball in on Gutierrez, but obviously it wasn’t in enough since the ball landed in the left-field seats — 3-1 M’s in the fourth.

Update, 8:20: Mediocre start for Hughes. Ichiro’s sac fly here in the fifth makes it 4-1.

Update, 8:40: It’s 7-1 here in the sixth, two outs. Hughes is done. Boone Logan’s turn.

Update, 8:48: Swisher is the only one who can figure out Lee. That was quite a shot to left-center. It’s his 15th career two-homer game. So it’s 7-2.

Update, 9:09: Lee has given up just five hits over seven.

Update, 9:21: Lee has set down nine straight. He has passed the audition, like he needed to audition for anyone.

Update, 9:36: Brandon League is warming. Lee is past 100 pitches, and it’s 7-4 with one out and Jorge Posada on second in the ninth.

Update, 9:39: Lee finished what he started. Mariners win, 7-4.

 
 

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662 Responses to “Yankees vs. Mariners”

  1. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    SJ,

    The fact that Joba was trusted over Phil in the post season with the season on the line illustrates my point that Girardi has invested great faith in Joba very recently.

    We’re halfway through the year and Joba’s just now starting to flash glimpses of his best stuff.

    You can’t conclusively state that the organization has no faith in Joba.

    Girardi did very recently and he’s the 8th inning guy today despite his early struggles.

    He can turn the year around just as Javy did and hopefully Tex and Granderson will.

    For someone who comes down so hard on naysayers bound by short term vision, you’re one to talk.

    Maybe you’ve been sniffing too much of Matt’s glue

  2. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    SJ,

    ;)

  3. RS June 29th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    I’m looking at the Red Sox lineup and it looks like the average age is around 34.

  4. Pete Abe. June 29th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    “The Red Sox have no offense.”

    “The Mariners have no offense.”

  5. Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Missed sign. Has to be.

    How else could Posada call somebody out. ;)

  6. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    RS,

    Their offense will not skip a beat. Look for Bill Hall to hit 320 for the next month

  7. Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Ooops.

    How else could Posada *throw* somebody out.

    I ruined that joke.

  8. Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    “Their offense will not skip a beat. Look for Bill Hall to hit 320 for the next month”

    Fenway Park: inflating averages for everyone.

  9. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Bret,

    I never said the organization has given up on Joba.

    I said his starting days are over and they see him as a bullpen guy now. Which I believe is the case and will remain so next year.

    I don’t think he will be a starting pitcher again for the Yankees.

    I also believe they will go all in on Cliff Lee and not pass on him to put Joba back in the rotation.

  10. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    To good of a pitch for an 0-2 count, yikes

  11. Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    # Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Ooops.

    How else could Posada *throw* somebody out.

    I ruined that joke.
    ————

    Oh wow. It’s Cervelli catching not Posada. I REALLY screwed that one up. :oops:

  12. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

    Lot of deep counts by Hughes so far.

  13. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Possible last game ever at Rosenblatt Stadium……UCLA has won an incredible 109 National Championships, never for baseball

  14. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Needs to throw the change/curve. He hung one curve and is shying away from it now.

  15. qiantom June 29th, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Hughes needs an out pitch. Way too much trouble putting hitters away with 2 strikes.

  16. pat June 29th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Buster_ESPN B.J. Upton out of the Rays’ starting lineup — and that’s expected, given the dust-up the other day. Joe Maddon is trying to make a point.

  17. Trevor June 29th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    They’re geared up for his FB.

  18. miami, FL June 29th, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    “Lot of deep counts by Hughes so far.”

    That’s no different than any of his other starts. No?

  19. Anon June 29th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Phil’s nick name is “Deep-Count Phil”

  20. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    omg a walk

  21. Anon June 29th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Lee’s first (1st) walk of the season.

  22. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    First BB in 146 hitters over 38 innings for Lee.

  23. Joba Farnsworth June 29th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    wonder if joe west will whine about this game if the pace keeps on

  24. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    he can’t hit lefties.

  25. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Really nice at bat for Posada. Lee’s first walk in about 36 or so innings.

  26. RS June 29th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    3 straight good ABs in this inning.

  27. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    yuck

  28. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Huffman bailed him out.

  29. Dark Dante June 29th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Rem-Dawg just announced there are rats in the booth in Fenway Park.

  30. miami, FL June 29th, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    how the sox doing? is that offense firing on all cylinders as usual?

  31. Joba Farnsworth June 29th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    Huffman with the GIDP to keep Joe West happy.

  32. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    I don’t think any of us can be surprised Phil doesn’t seem sharp – he’s been off for 9 or 10 days.

  33. RS June 29th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    I wish Hughes would double on curves. He threw a good one for a strike, and then went back to throwing three straight fastballs.

  34. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Wow Phil what are you doing?

  35. G-C June 29th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Phil is throwing way too many fastballs with two strikes.

    No reason he should be having any trouble at all with this lineup.

  36. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Let’s Go Yankees

  37. Ace June 29th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Why pitch to Ichiro?

  38. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Hughes has not been the same pitcher since his first 6 or 7 starts of the year

  39. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    # RS June 29th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    I wish Hughes would double on curves. He threw a good one for a strike, and then went back to throwing three straight fastballs.

    He could have bounced it or something. 1-2 count then you pitch around the guy. Then this happens.

  40. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 7:51 pm

    Huffman showed why he’s not ready for the Major Leagues in that at bat.
    Lee toyed with him and he tried to pull an outside pitch.
    Why didn’t Huffman go the other way like Granderson? Was he not watching?
    He needs to get his head in the game.

    With at bats like that the Yankees will be lucky to get another run off Lee.
    You need to get him early or you don’t get him at all.

    Hughes just doesn’t have it.
    Watch the game with your head and not your heart.

  41. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Why is MLB Extra Innings showing the SEA feed? These announcers are horrible. They don’t even sound like professionals.

  42. Eric K June 29th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Phil Hughes will head down the same path as Joba Chamberlain, because the Yankees just don’t know what they’re doing.

  43. Ace June 29th, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    The bench is terrible. They need to reinforce that. Huffman n Curtis shouldn’t be on a championship roster. Same with Pena n Russo.

  44. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Phil was never going to keep dominating like that at 23 (now 24). He’s had some very good games since that great start and some not so good ones – just like any other young pitcher. The M’s are still a major league team and are going to hit mistakes. He hasn’t started in a long time – this is not a surprise.

  45. qiantom June 29th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Does pitchiing in the bullpen really help young pitchers? Instead of develping a secondary pitches in the minors, Hughes was just throwing his fastball again and again. Now he really has no secondary pitches that he can go to.

  46. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 7:53 pm

    Command is off. Which is to be expected with the extra time off.

    The entire pitching staff has had trouble getting #9 hitters out all month.

    That has to change in July.

  47. Ted June 29th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Get Lee and solve the pen by putting Hughes in it

  48. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    i love it. yesterday huffman was a hero, now he is terrible? come on…

  49. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    LOL I knew this would happen. Phil is struggling and the Yankees are going to be blamed for skipping his start………..it will be that way in the papers as well.

  50. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Look at those numbers for AJ without Eiland.

    .357 BAA

    0-5

    11+ ERA

  51. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    “The bench is terrible. They need to reinforce that. Huffman n Curtis shouldn’t be on a championship roster. Same with Pena n Russo.”

    I remember Huffman and Curtis have some key at bats in that comeback victory against the Dodgers. Wasn’t that just Sunday?

  52. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    nice dp

  53. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Here comes the dark birgade , led by Matt…….

  54. qiantom June 29th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    I think the Yanks screwed up big time developing Hughes and Joba. A ton of wasted talent.

  55. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    How surprising, the usual crybabies show up with their moronic doomsday predictions as soon as the Yankees fall behind.

  56. MikeY June 29th, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    That’s right. It’s all because of the #9 hitters SJ. Should we trade Hughes like u said to after this???

  57. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Holy cow – now he has no secondary pitches. I guess that’s Yankee fans for you – one day you’re hot stuff, then you’re dog doo.

  58. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    if they keep working the count on lee. they might have a chance.

  59. blake June 29th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    nice changeup.

  60. RS June 29th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Maybe someone can confirm this, but I don’t think Hughes is throwing nearly as many offspeed pitches as he did when he first came up in 2007. I remember in one of his first starts against Cleveland he got at least 3 or 4 strikeouts with the curveball. Now you never see him get K’s with that pitch (mostly because he hardly throws it).

  61. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    omg a change up

  62. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Screwed up with Hughes? Really? 10-1 with a 3 ERA? Yeah he is real screwed up.

  63. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    The expectations for Phil are getting out of whack; I’ve been guilty of that myself.

  64. Tom NY June 29th, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Just shut it SJ44. You are the biggest whiny baby here.

  65. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Laura,

    That’s “old” news. At least to the children who are already in a state of panic over this game.

  66. blake June 29th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    “I think the Yanks screwed up big time developing Hughes and Joba. A ton of wasted talent.”

    lol, Hughes is 10-1 and going to the all-star game…I would say nice try but its not.

  67. qiantom June 29th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    RS,
    I agree. That’s because he never developed his offspeed pitches.

  68. Butch June 29th, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    Losing=Matt posts

  69. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    I do wish Phil would throw his curve more, but I remember early in the season SJ and CB saying that as long as hitters can’t hit his FB, he should go with that. Now, I was always skeptical of that because eventually they were going to hit his FB. ……So, more curves please. Again, though – he’s been off for a long time; even a vet would struggle. It does appear as if Phil is not getting that many swings and misses any more; his K rate is declining, or so it appears.

  70. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    come on work the count

  71. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Tom,

    Unless you have the ability to make me, it’s not happening.

    Cry me a river twerp.

  72. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Tom NY,

    leave SJ alone. Don’t you know he splits time from the Yankee front office and this blog?

  73. blake June 29th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Did somebody roll all the balls in butter or something.

  74. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    1 of the runs was unearned right?

  75. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Cano and now Cervelli hit the ball hard but right at the defense.

    A few of our guys worked the count on Lee as well.

    He doesn’t seem so dominant tonight.

    Basehit for Jetes.

    Lee not that tough right now.

  76. pat June 29th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Jeter using the “get down ball” body language up the line. :smile:

  77. blake June 29th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Yanks getting good swings off CL.

  78. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Huffman was ready for the Majors on sunday with 2 hits and 2 huge RBI, but, he’s 0-1 tonight and clearly not ready for the Majors. I need to go back and find out who said this. This guy’s posts are solid gold.

  79. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Yeah, Phil said that, but he deserves his 10-1 record. Every pitcher gets lucky sometimes and he’s only gotten lucky twice: the Sox game (where he didn’t get a loss) and the Astros game where he won.

  80. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    if i wasnt a yankee fan and i came on here, i would think we were the seattle mariners.

  81. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    wow I thought Tex was actually going to get a hit there

  82. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Michael Kay says the same thing over and over

  83. SJ44 June 29th, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Actually moron Miley, if you look at the game logs this month, the Yankees have had trouble with #8 and #9 hitters and it’s cost them.

    Saunders is a .200 hitter Hughes had 1-2. Even he will tell you that’s a guy you have to finish.

    Amazing what you can learn when you don’t stalk and actually watch the games.

  84. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    yankees are hitting the ball hard.

  85. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    SJ, I understand this game is odd because of the time off, but Phil’s stuff has not been as good as it was (more hits, less strikeouts). While I think the panicky stuff is ridiculous, it has been a fairly long stretch of games where he hasn’t been “right”. Is this just growing pains? Is his stuff

  86. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    And another hard hit ball right at someone.

    We’re definitely hitting Lee.

    Tough break Tex.

  87. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    I just saw the footage of Zumaya’s injury. I never liked the guy – he openly hates the Yankees – but I have to admit that I felt sorry for him. Only for a minute though. :P

  88. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    1st pitch swinging why :(

  89. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Oops………Is his stuff just not as good? I know his command has been off (tonight that’s understandable).

  90. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    two of the four batters swing at the first pitch. Terrible approach.
    Jeter should have been on 2nd base on his hit.
    Swisher tries to hit another homer with an upper cut swing.

    Where is the game plan? Do they have an idea what they are doing?
    With at bats like that, it’s going to be a long night.

  91. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    “Michael Kay says the same thing over and over”

    If you were listening to the SEA feed, you’d be longing for Kay — like I am.

  92. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Hughes looks great tonight

  93. CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    It’s called lazy journalism. Repeating the same pieces of information, and same statistics that someone else researched for him.

  94. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    damn 1st pitch hitting

  95. Ted June 29th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    I’m just so tired of SJ44′s crap here. Ban him. He’s a troublemaker.

  96. qiantom June 29th, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    Hughes is getting worse every month.
    G GS W L SV BS HLD CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
    April 3 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 18.0 6 4 4 1 11 18 2.00 0.94 .103
    May 6 6 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 38.2 35 13 13 3 8 39 3.03 1.11 .240
    June 4 4 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 25.2 27 12 12 3 6 21 4.21 1.29 .270

  97. blake June 29th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Milton Bradley is one of the most talented mediocre players I’ve ever seen.

  98. Ace June 29th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    @Laura. When did 2 nice at bats make a season? Those young guys aren’t quality on a championship level team.

  99. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    dp

  100. CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Nice piece of good luck!

  101. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    And the bounces swing both ways :)

    DP

  102. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Nice catch, Tex!

  103. Ace June 29th, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    2 run lead for Lee? See Ya

  104. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Suzuki is in right field…a small right field and somebody wants to chance his arm. Gold, I tell ya’.

  105. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    way to go Phil. Throw something else.

  106. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    that was a nys hr

  107. John June 29th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    How many young pitchers can they screw up?

  108. ben June 29th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    saying hughes should be put in the pen is tantamount to coming out as a retard.

  109. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    The blog cheerleaders will write this off as Phil being rusty

    7 hits and 3 runs to this awful hitting team is a joke

  110. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    oh boy here come the whiny losers. 2 run lead in the 4th. I am assuming Lee has never given up 3 runs?

  111. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    LOL now he’s screwed up…….

  112. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    ac1,

    Is Hughes the same pitcher he was in April?

  113. Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    # igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    that was a nys hr
    ———

    No it wasn’t. The “jetstream” is to right center, not left center.

  114. CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Been hitting Lee hard this game, let’s try and chip 1 run off the lead this inning.

  115. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    “@Laura. When did 2 nice at bats make a season? Those young guys aren’t quality on a championship level team.”

    Ace, often you’ll hear people say that the Yankees don’t need an All Star at every position. I agree with that. By the same token, I don’t think they should play bums like Randy Winn either. Huffman and Curtis aren’t All Stars, but if they contribute on a regular basis, how does it hurt the team to have them on the roster? Do you think that anyone was screaming for Luis Sojo back on the Dynasty teams? Valuable contributions can come from anywhere. As long as these two youngsters deliver, I say we keep them.

  116. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Blake, the ? I asked of SJ I will ask of you – are you concerned?

  117. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    and anyone who tries to compare phil’s development with joba’s is just a total inept moron. Phil spent 3 years in the minors.

  118. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    that wasn’t a bad pitch

  119. MikeY June 29th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Amazing so many here listen to the blowhard like he’s an insider. Let me refresh it for you. Blowhard SJ wanted Cano and Hughes traded. The guy is clueless.

  120. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    One pitch pitchers do not last long as starters in the Major Leagues. Hughes has to stop being so stubborn and change speeds once in a while. Most hitters are in the Major Leagues because they can hit the fastball, and if you don’t make them think a bit even bad hitters will eventually start catching up.

  121. ben June 29th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    I’m sorry, were you expecting him to keep up the .94 WHIP all year?

    Of course he’s not on the same insane pace as he was in April. That’s how baseball works.

  122. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    ac1,

    Is Hughes the same pitcher he was in April?

    ___

    IS Sabathia? Is Burnett? Is Vazquez?

  123. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    To the decent regular posters (this does not mean you, Matt), best of luck with the trolls.

  124. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    SJ wanted Hughes traded for Shin Soo Choo. He gave up on Hughes.

    This year he’s giving up on Joba.

  125. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    # igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    that was a nys hr
    ———

    No it wasn’t. The “jetstream” is to right center, not left center
    ==============

    Wasn’t that with old stadium up?

  126. chan ho's runs June 29th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    So much for the M’s offense being bad.

  127. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Seattle came in with the worst batting average in the American League – .239
    Seattle has the fewest home runs in the American League – 44.

    Hughes is turning them into the 1927 NY Yankees.
    You can’t miss your spots by that much and be successful.
    Cervelli set up outside and the pitch was up and in. Home Run.
    Get the bullpen warmed up.

  128. Ace June 29th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    @Laura. Don’t get me wrong. I’d rather have those guys than dead weight like Winn. But you’re kidding yourself if u think those guys r champion level bench types.

  129. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    Now he’s a 1 pitch pitcher?

  130. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    ben,

    So you are happy with his development the last 2 months?

  131. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    # igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    # igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    that was a nys hr
    ———

    No it wasn’t. The “jetstream” is to right center, not left center
    ==============

    Wasn’t that with old stadium up?

    Heavy wind blowing straight out in NY today.

  132. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    maybe hughes missed eiland too.

  133. Billy D June 29th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    “Is Hughes the same pitcher he was in April?”

    Bob Gibson wasn’t the pitcher Hughes was in April.

  134. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    Phil has been giving up a lot of HRs lately…………

  135. Ted June 29th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Don’t worry. sj will give up on Gardner by July.

  136. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Alex would like to have that one back.

  137. TheStraw June 29th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    In the words of Maxwell Smart….

  138. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Billy D,

    I’ll ask it again. Are you happy with his development the last 2 months?

  139. csinla@gmail.com June 29th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    STERLING!!!!

  140. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    aww man

  141. cacahuete June 29th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Kay clearly needs his eyes checked.

  142. RS June 29th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    I’m glad I wasn’t listening to Sterling on Arod’ fly ball.

  143. blake June 29th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    “Blake, the ? I asked of SJ I will ask of you – are you concerned?”

    about what? I’m not concerned about Phil, he’s missing locations. Every pitcher in baseball will get hit if he throws it in the wrong spots. He’s not going to dominate every start….he’s still learning and hasn’t pitched in a few days. He’ll be fine.

  144. qiantom June 29th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Development? There wasn’t any.

  145. Butch June 29th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Lee will be on cruise control here.

  146. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    i think Hughes can go 6 or 7 tonight.

  147. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    Yanks are really killing Lee like some of said here. 4 innings 57 pitches and 1 run. Killing him

  148. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    “@Laura. Don’t get me wrong. I’d rather have those guys than dead weight like Winn. But you’re kidding yourself if u think those guys r champion level bench types.”

    I didn’t say that they were. Hey, I’m one of those still smarting over Damon and Matsui being gone. Huffman and Curtis aren’t Justice and Sierra. My point is that they are capable of contributing to the team.

  149. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    Of the 66 pitches Hughes has thrown tonight, 6 were not a 4-seamer or cutter. You have to mix it up more than that in the Major Leagues or hitters will start gearing up for your fastball. You can say all you want that it wasn’t a bad pitch to Guitierrez, but when he is sitting on your fastball he can catch up to a pitch like that.

    If you don’t mix it up, every mistake you make with location will be punished because a hitter is waiting for it and you see what’s happened tonight.

  150. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    The 1st pitch swinging is killing me.

  151. Butch June 29th, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    It’s easy. Trade Romine for Lee and put Hughes in pen. Win-Win. Hughes doesn’t go over his innings and we get an ace.

  152. blake June 29th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    funny so many learned nothing Sunday night when the game was proclaimed over in what the 4th inning.

  153. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    Blake, concerned about the fact that his stuff isn’t as good as it was before (less strikeouts, more HRs) and he barely uses his secondary stuff. He can’t get away with throwing 1 pitch (the FB) and a variation of that (the cutter) – no pitcher can. I think these folks are completely overreacting, but Phil’s secondary pitches aren’t that good……….and he’s too in love with his FB.

  154. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    seattle getting lucky

  155. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    why is Hughes still in this game?

  156. Billy D June 29th, 2010 at 8:19 pm

    “I’ll ask it again. Are you happy with his development the last 2 months?”

    Am I happy with the 8-1 record and 3.50 ERA he’s posted since May 1? Yes, I am.

  157. Joba Farnsworth June 29th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Hughes just needs better pitch selection and to stop falling in love with the cutter – a good pitch but hitters can tee off on it if they’re sitting on it or he throws it too much. Some of this onus has to fall on the catcher too.

  158. Ace June 29th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Skipping Hughes was a mistake. Just let him get to 170 innings and then put him in pen in late Aug/Sept.

  159. Joba Farnsworth June 29th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    at least the Yankees can field bunts tonight.

  160. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Just sitting fastball.

  161. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Joba Farnsworth,

    we have been saying that for his past 7 or 8 starts

  162. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    i agree that hughes just needs to mix it up and he isnt.

  163. Ace June 29th, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    This game was punted when they pushed Hughes back and Lee was on hill.

  164. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    we gotta hope the 7 runs of support he gets shows up tonight.

  165. Abe's Odd World June 29th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    So much for the Hughes Rules. Good thinking by the Yankees. Sheesh He looks like he looks like he’s lost the feel of all his pitches.

  166. TheStraw June 29th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    Matt- Where did you acquire all of this supposed knowledge. If you knew as much as you claim to, you should be coaching baseball for a living instead of posting on a message board.

  167. qiantom June 29th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    I just cannot comprehend how our best young pitcher is without a decent offspeed pitch after so many years of development.

  168. Asd June 29th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    I would just like to point out my theory from the end of the Dodgers game Sunday. Cano and Swish have some twin homerun thing going. Almost every time one of them homers, within a game or so the other does.

  169. RS June 29th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Betsy,

    I don’t think the quality of Hughes’ pitches have changed at all. Hitters just understand his pattern more now. I bet at the beginning of the year they would look for the curveball with 2 strikes but now it’s a mere afterthought and they’re expecting the fastball or cutter.

  170. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    I don’t think he should come out for the 6th – this is maybe the first game where he’s had absolutely nothing

  171. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    what’s that about no secondary pitch?

  172. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Figgins was sitting fastball.

  173. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Ace,

    This has nothing to do with resting him. He has been trending downward for a while. His pitching has just been covered up since his win total is so high due to the fact he gets the most run support in the league

  174. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    so for it’s 50-50 for Hughes tonight. Those 4 runs were quiet for the most part. Even the homerun

  175. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Of the 19 hitters Hughes has faced tonight through Ichiro, 18 of them have seen a first pitch fastball. The other hitter saw a first pitch cutter.

    Seattle has 2 of their 8 hits on first pitch fastballs.

    Even pitchers with good stuff cannot continue to get hitters out with just the fastball. The scouting report is out now and hitters are adjusting to Hughes. Now he has to adjust back and stop being stubborn.

    He won this job out of ST because of his changeup, and he almost never throws it. Which pitch do you think would stop the lefties from cheating on his fastball and cutter?

  176. Joba Farnsworth June 29th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    M’s have been finding holes and their hard hit balls have found the seats, Yankees have hit the ball on the nose a few times but right at fielders. Where’s the luck today?

  177. blake June 29th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Betsy,

    He’s in love with his fastball because its taking him to the all-star game. He doesn’t have his best stuff tonight, velocity is down, location isn’t very good. He’s struggling a bit, we knew he would on some nights before the season started right…. He’s still learning when to throw what pitch….I can’t say that I blame him for doing whats worked all year.

  178. Ace June 29th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Why are they pitching to Ichiro?

  179. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    I don’t think he should come out for the 6th – this is maybe the first game where he’s had absolutely nothing
    ___

    Didnt rest him 9 days to come out and throw 75 pitches. He needs to work through it.

  180. RS June 29th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    “I would just like to point out my theory from the end of the Dodgers game Sunday. Cano and Swish have some twin homerun thing going. Almost every time one of them homers, within a game or so the other does.”

    I feel like this goes back to last year when they were both red hot in April and owned Camden Yards.

  181. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    RS, then I guess Phil is being stubborn. I don’t know how often he’s shaking the catcher off, but if it’s not a lot, then the catcher obviously has been agreeing with him.

  182. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    “Matt- Where did you acquire all of this supposed knowledge. If you knew as much as you claim to, you should be coaching baseball for a living instead of posting on a message board.”

    Didn’t you hear? Matt is really Tommy LaSorda. All of these years, he’s been a closeted Yankee fan. Who knew?

  183. Beckster June 29th, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    I’m starting to hate Matt as much as SJ44.

  184. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    This has nothing to do with resting him. He has been trending downward for a while. His pitching has just been covered up since his win total is so high due to the fact he gets the most run support in the league
    __

    Doesnt really explain the 3 ERA. You would make it sound like he was at 5 or 6.

  185. Joba Farnsworth June 29th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Phil is killing his chance at an all star spot – just as well – save the bullets.

  186. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    He hasn’t been THAT bad; I can go through the games:

    Sox: bad
    Mets: mediocre
    Indians: good
    O’s at home: excellent
    O’s on the road: good/solid
    Astros: bad
    Mets : very good

  187. Devin June 29th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    Hughes is 10-1 and he’s now terrible. Hilarious!!

  188. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    man that granderson just cant hit lefties…

  189. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    # ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    This has nothing to do with resting him. He has been trending downward for a while. His pitching has just been covered up since his win total is so high due to the fact he gets the most run support in the league
    __

    Doesnt really explain the 3 ERA. You would make it sound like he was at 5 or 6.

    I just don’t think hes making adjustments. He has to recognize them sitting fastball. Him or Cervelli.

  190. raymagnetic June 29th, 2010 at 8:27 pm

    What’s up with Nick Johnson’s porn stash :???:

  191. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    i agree they need to throw something other than a fastball. sometimes that plan works but this time it isnt…

  192. JM June 29th, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    Wow, just saw that Zumaya is out for the season. I am sure this is old news but been too busy to look at the blog all day.

  193. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    What’s up with Nick Johnson’s porn stash

    __

    Man needs to work while he is on the DL.

  194. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    how is that a strike?

  195. Ace June 29th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Hughes has been terrible for a 5th starter. LOL. Skipping him is worthless. Just let him pitch n then put him in pen when he hits 170.

  196. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    It’s disappointing, but it’s going to be hard to take Phil for the ASG – his ERA is just too high and there are other pitchers with great numbers.

    Blake, but he can’t get by with his FB alone. He’s got a very good one, but not a fabulous, elite one – and even pitchers with that kind of FB use their other pitchers. I love Phil, but Eiland said in ST that he’s been stubborn in the past re: the use of the change. He could be way too stubborn re: the use of his curve. It’s like he’s forgotten about that pitch.

    Every pitcher is going to have bad games, but ooh boy: the papers are going to KILL the Yankees tomorrow. If Phil struggles against the Jays next week, just wait for the reaction then.

  197. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    When the Yankees hitters walk up to the plate, they should look Joe West in the eye and tell him that his umpiring is pathetic and embarrassing.

  198. Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Hughes isn’t fooling anyone tonight. They are sitting fastball and he hasn’t made any adjustments. These are major league hitters you can’t get by with just throwing a medicore, bad location fastball after fastball. If he has any secondary pitches this was the game to use them. He really needs to work on his secondary pitches to get better. He can’t get by in the AL east with only a fastball. His last 5 or 6 starts haven’t been very good.

  199. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    Phil needs to start using more change-ups and he needs to figure out his curveball.

    His cutter and fastball are legit plus pitches but he needs a change of speed pitch in there. He obviously can’t control the curve, it’s time to try the change maybe

  200. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    ac1,

    In a few more starts his ERA will be over 4. He can’t put hitters away with 2 strikes. He doesn’t k a lot of people anymore. I am not saying he was going to pitch to his April stats but its so rare when he comes into a game and dominates for the first 3 innings of a game.

    I’m glad they are hitting Lee like so many have said here

  201. Kint June 29th, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    It’s Cliff Lee. This was a loss before it started.

  202. Abe's Odd World June 29th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Cmon Hughes. Hold the score!

  203. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    i would rather grandy get thrown out trying to steal and have jeter lead-off the next inning

  204. raymagnetic June 29th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    I meant porn stache as in mustache

  205. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    who cares what the paper says?

    Cliff Lee is good. They didnt hit him in the World Series and they are not catching the breaks here.

    Right now Phil’s era is 3.30. That really isnt that bad.

  206. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    a shutdown inning man inspire the offense a little.

  207. RS June 29th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Obviously Hughes is going to have nights where his fastball isn’t sharp. But we’ve seen Sabathia’s fastball command be off and he still gets through the game by throwing changeups, curveballs, and sliders to keep hitters off balance. I think he even talked about his fastball command not being sharp against the Dodgers, and that was one of his best starts of the season.

    Anyway, the ability to pitch well without having your best fastball is what separates good starters from great ones. Hopefully it’s something that will Hughes will learn over time. It’s not like he’s been wild, in which case you’d expect a bad performance. He’s just missing his spots and with more offspeed stuff would probably be able to get away with some of those mistakes.

  208. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    uhhh where was that Joe?

  209. Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    This would of been a perfect game to use his curve more or a couple changeups. At least mix it in there alittle bit. The Mariners lineup is absolutely dreadful but when batters are sitting on a pitch you need to mix it up instead of continuing to get your fastball smacked around.

  210. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    2 k’s in a row

  211. blake June 29th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Theres a changeup guys….

  212. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    See look at that change. nasty.

  213. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    changeup!

  214. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Oh hey look, Phil throws a change-up and gets a strikeout…smh

  215. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Oh great now unless we muster a rally we will have to hear the Cliff Lee gushing and oozing of juices and fluids from the talking heads and the trade for Cliff Lee fanboys.

    I’m so sick of hearing about that guy already.

  216. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    hughes has struck out the last two on a curve and a change.

  217. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    No one really talks about how Cliff Lee transformed himself a few years ago. He used to be a bum. Now he’s a premier pitcher. Gotta give him credit.

  218. miami, FL June 29th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    The updated ERA stats show The red sox have better pitching.

  219. blake June 29th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    theres a 1st pitch curveball for a strike.

  220. blake June 29th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    theres another changeup.

  221. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Now Hughes can’t even get 1 one two three inning

  222. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    all of a sudden joe west isnt calling close pitches? What happened to keeping the game moving?

  223. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    Patrick, is it possible to lose a pitch and never regain it? I know Phil had a great curve, but he never used it in the pen last year and now it’s just not that good anymore. I mean, sometimes it’s nasty, but it’s too inconsistent to be more than just average.

  224. JT June 29th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    WOW was that a change up

    USE THE DAMN PITCH MAN!

  225. Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    West should not be allowed to ump Yankee games. When their batters are up any close pitches are called strikes to move the game along. Hughes should get that same strike zone. West obviously has a dislike for the Yankees now.

  226. Terry from NH June 29th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    even if his fastball isn’t good sometimes the changeup would at least make the fastball look 96 mph compared to his 94 mph.. Now you know why Strasburg is such a stud is that his changeup combined with his 98-100 mph is phenominal. Hughes could benefit greatly implementing his changeup more often.

  227. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    hold them here.

  228. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Seattle is the worst scoring team in the American League.
    They average 3.4 runs a game.

    Giving up 4 runs in 5 innings to this team is inexcusable.
    Hughes should be in a 1-1 game right now.
    You can’t blame this on inactivity. It’s poor pitch selection.

  229. Smells Like Cabbage June 29th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Come on Fill! toss that curve!

  230. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    MLB needs to get Joe West out of baseball.

    No one gives a rats ar$e about an overweight, wanna be Johnny Cash.

    What is pathetic and embarrassing is West’s ego that seems to make him think fans show up at the game to see umpires.

  231. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    # Terry from NH June 29th, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    even if his fastball isn’t good sometimes the changeup would at least make the fastball look 96 mph compared to his 94 mph.. Now you know why Strasburg is such a stud is that his changeup combined with his 98-100 mph is phenominal. Hughes could benefit greatly implementing his changeup more often.

    Could get more GB’s also.

  232. RS June 29th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    The curveball has looked pretty good in this game…

  233. blake June 29th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Phil still has a really good curveball.

  234. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    that was a nasty curve.

  235. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Patrick, is it possible to lose a pitch and never regain it? I know Phil had a great curve, but he never used it in the pen last year and now it’s just not that good anymore. I mean, sometimes it’s nasty, but it’s too inconsistent to be more than just average.

    In 2009 Phil threw his curve 20.6 % of the time. For his career he’s thrown curve 19.4 % of the time. So the assertion that he didn’t throw his curve last year is just untrue.

  236. Asd June 29th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Funny, that first pitch strike there was ball four two batters earlier…

  237. Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    # miami, FL June 29th, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    The updated ERA stats show The red sox have better pitching.
    ——————-

    Are you looking at the right year?

    Yankee’s team ERA is 3.94. S*x is 4.27. I really doubt 75/77 games worth of work is going to change that much in 5 innings.

    Trolls. :roll:

  238. CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    joe west has been doing his thing again this game. at least 3 of lee’s pitches were low and near the dirt, but called strikes. a 1-0 pitch to swisher was one of them.

  239. JT June 29th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    1-2 0-2 counts… Hughes should start getting comfortable with his changeup

  240. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    crap

  241. RS June 29th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Yuck

  242. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Hey Matt… You do know the Mariners have had games where they score 5 runs.

  243. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Awful Phil

  244. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    Phil gets in great counts he just gets too much of the plate on pitches that should be off the plate

  245. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    why throw a fastball? bounce a curve.

  246. Look at the back of my baseball card June 29th, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    another 2 strike hit. Yea Hughes is just getting unlucky right everybody?

  247. mick June 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Unacceptable. The Yanks are losing, unacceptable.

  248. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    this is now on Eiland and Girardi to stop Hughes from throwing too many fastballs.

  249. Abe's Odd World June 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Well so muchforth

  250. Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Another fastball over the plate to score a run. Once again not fooling the batter. Terrible approach with 2 strikes. Hasn’t he given up enough runs tonight on hits off his fastball?/!!?

  251. JG29 June 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Yea we dont need Lee

  252. mick June 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Awful Phil
    ========
    They never should have skipped his turn.

  253. Smells Like Cabbage June 29th, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Come on Fill!

  254. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Wow………………

  255. Joba Farnsworth June 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Phil pitching like Joba

  256. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    “# Matt June 29th, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Seattle is the worst scoring team in the American League.
    They average 3.4 runs a game.

    Giving up 4 runs in 5 innings to this team is inexcusable.
    Hughes should be in a 1-1 game right now.
    You can’t blame this on inactivity. It’s poor pitch selection.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Not to mention they have 11 road wins all season, this is a bottom feeder team in baseball, Cliff Lee or no Cliff Lee.

    A loss here wouldn’t be the end of the world, but this is a very poor baseball team in Seattle this season.

  257. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    ballgame

  258. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    damn.

  259. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Another 2-strike hit on the fastball. These guys are in the Major Leagues because they can hit a fastball- they are mediocre because they cannot hit ANYTHING else.

    So what does the brilliant battery of Hughes/Cervelli do with a team clearly sitting on his 4-seamer, which Hughes has little control of tonight? They keep throwing it, feeding right into what the opposing team is trying to do.

    There is a difference between getting beaten on your best pitch, and being stupid when you know you have no idea if you can locate.

  260. Abe's Odd World June 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Well so much for that. His mechanics are all messed up. I hate these stupid “plans”!!

  261. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    is it me or did it look like that almost hit huffman in the head?

    One could argue we are missing Gardner out there tonight.

  262. CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    wow. rob johnson, jack wilson, etc. .192 batters that decided that this series was their World Series. :lol:

  263. Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Absolutely Pathetic. Hughes will never be an ace or #2 starter with 1 pitch.

  264. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    3.58 era now. Crazy.

  265. john June 29th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    mariners just won the world series according to their announcers, jesus

  266. John June 29th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Awful against the sad sacks of the Mariners lineup. Rob Johnson, really???

  267. JM June 29th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Hughes really seems to be having trouble putting batters away lately when he has them in 0-2, 1-2 counts.

  268. Smells Like Cabbage June 29th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Awphill…

  269. mick June 29th, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Chill Phil.
    Fuggetaboudit.

  270. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    he’ll come back strong on sunday

  271. CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Rob Johnson… 6 multi-hit games on the season. 0 multi-RBI games on the season. Thanks Rob Johnson for showing up tonight. :lol:

  272. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    I said he shouldn’t have come out for this inning – he had nothing tonight.

  273. Joba Farnsworth June 29th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Yankees trying to ruin phil like they did Joba with all the coddling

  274. Angel - In an Empire State of Mind June 29th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    I haven’t read all 247 posts yet, but it’ll be interesting to see how many posts back I have to go before I come across speculation that skipping Phils last start is the reason he’s not pitching well tonight. :)

  275. chan ho's runs June 29th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Can we have Cliff Lee now please? This rotation is an absolute disaster.

  276. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    To get shut down by Lee is one thing but to have the Mariners knocking in runners by the middle of the game is definitely not cool.

  277. Billy D June 29th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    When did Franklin Gutierrez become intentional walk-worthy?

  278. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    anyone who things this is because of the extra rest? Does that explain the overuse of the fastball? Nope.

  279. P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    What else would you blame it on? Phil has been fantastic all year and you skip his start and he falls apart. Some pitchers need their routine, the moment you change that their mechanics become in complete disarray.

    Yes, I do blame Joe G. For this. I hope we don’t renew his contract. I am done with this guy.

    Our bats aren’t scoring 3 runs against Cliff Lee, forget about 7.

  280. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Does this battery seriously believe the Cutter is a change of pace from the 4-seamer?

    The cutter is like a BP fastball to a team sitting on his 4-seamer. Combine that with the fact that he has bad location tonight and there is no way he can get away with pitching like this.

    92 mph fastballs and 88 mph cutters. Is it any wonder why a team starts to hit him very hard the 2nd and 3rd time around? If you refuse to adjust to the hitters, you deserve to get smacked around like Hughes was tonight.

    When you face a lineup like Seattle and you feed them fastball after fastball, you are just helping them out.

  281. RS June 29th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Hughes’ ERA has gone up a run in 3 starts.

  282. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Patrick, even if that’s the case, Phil seems to have lost the feel for his curve and he needs to get it back.

    I wouldn’t call it pathetic – he’s allowed to have a bad game, but he won’t live up to his potential with 1 pitch.

  283. Abe's Odd World June 29th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Have to chase Lee.

  284. Angel - In an Empire State of Mind June 29th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Damn, I should have put money on under 20, lol.

  285. pistol pete June 29th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    I had racehorses for years, one thing I learned was that once a horse was sharp they should continue to race. Every time I rested them in season when sharp I never could get them back on that edge. The Yanks screwed Joba up the last couple years with their innings limits and now they’re on their way with Hughes. He looks awful tonite. They took a 10-1 pitcher and benched him, ridiculous. He’ll not likely get his edge back like he was and end up with 13-15 wins and drop off in the 2nd half. I just don’t get it.

  286. mick June 29th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    They aren’t coming back from this.

  287. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    rotation is a disaster? you people are so funny. and in my opinion, if the yankees were going to tank, might as well be in the game against lee where they weren’t likely to put a lot of runs up anyway.

  288. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    “# Billy D June 29th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    When did Franklin Gutierrez become intentional walk-worthy?”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL, disgusting game all around tonight, poor pitching, poor defense in a game the Yankees needed to keep close and tight.

    Oh well tomorrow is another game.

  289. Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    # Angel – In an Empire State of Mind June 29th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    I haven’t read all 247 posts yet, but it’ll be interesting to see how many posts back I have to go before I come across speculation that skipping Phils last start is the reason he’s not pitching well tonight. :)
    ————

    Not many. Hit “pg up” once and you’ll probably find one.

  290. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    I really think Jorge needs to catch Phil, but that said – Phil was brutal and Johnny Bench wouldn’t have helped him tonight

  291. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    SEA must really stink. The announcers sound like they just won the World Series.

  292. Asd June 29th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Oof. Ownage by Logan.

  293. JG29 June 29th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Wake up Cashman and get Lee and a damn hitter already!

  294. mick June 29th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    He’ll not likely get his edge back like he was and end up with 13-15 wins and drop off in the 2nd half. I just don’t get it.
    ====================
    That’s a bit over the top, yathink?

  295. CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    This game is far from over. The Yankees showed what they can do on Sunday night. It’s fairly obvious the Yankees can have two 3 or 4 run innings.

  296. Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Why did it take Hughes 5 innings to finally use his secondary pitches? Just shows you what Eiland and Girardi think of his other pitches. This is a big set back for Hughes. Just shows how far away he is from being a good pitcher. Eiland, Hughes and co have no confidence in his other pitches and just his fastball won’t get it done up here. Look at all the good young pitchers in baseball they all have a good fastball and 2 other pitches they can go to.

  297. Angel - In an Empire State of Mind June 29th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    And for pete’s sake.. the Yankees are at home.. why am I stuck with this horrible and getting worse Seattle home coverage?

  298. T. Lee June 29th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    Just wondering, do all teams pamper their young starters by limiting their innings? The Yankees did it with Joba, and it may have contributed to his erratic pitching performance. Now, with Hughes, the skipping of his start may be having an effect as well.

  299. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    What else would you blame it on? Phil has been fantastic all year and you skip his start and he falls apart. Some pitchers need their routine, the moment you change that their mechanics become in complete disarray.

    Yes, I do blame Joe G. For this. I hope we don’t renew his contract. I am done with this guy.

    Our bats aren’t scoring 3 runs against Cliff Lee, forget about 7.

    ___

    Hate to break this to you, but the yankees have the best record in baseball. This probably means Joe’s job is safe.

  300. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    “mariners just won the world series according to their announcers, jesus”

    GMTA.

  301. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    # CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    This game is far from over. The Yankees showed what they can do on Sunday night. It’s fairly obvious the Yankees can have two 3 or 4 run innings.

    Trying to score 7 off of Lee?

  302. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Just my opinion, but I don’t like Cervelli catching Hughes. I think that Posada calls a better game for Phil and utilizes more of his pitches. Just what I’ve seen from comparing the two.

  303. Ace June 29th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Dying to hear the skipping defense if Hughes dies this in his next outing too.

  304. mick June 29th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    swish owns lee.

  305. Pat M. June 29th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Time for a vicodin, I have a Matt migraine

  306. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Swish has come to play though lol

  307. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Angel, I need to avoid the papers and the radio tomorrow because they are all going to blame the rest for this performance. Skipping him is the right thing to do, but boy – the rest did him no favors. Maybe he had so much adrenaline that his velocity suffered – and I knew he wouldn’t be sharp – but this start was a while in coming as his #s were getting worse. If this is how Phil performs on long rest – ouch.

  308. Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Hughes probably is throwing too many fastballs. But I don’t think it’s any different now than when he was having success. Difference tonight is location, location, location. He’s leaving them right over the middle of the plate. Earlier in the season, he was locating them a lot better.

    I am concerned, though, that too many of these hits have come on the first pitch. I think he’s throwing too many first pitch fastballs and setting a pattern that helps the batters out a ton. If I’m not mistaken, both of this pathetic .202-hitting catcher’s doubles came on first pitch swings. He really needs to change up that first pitch more and not throw fastball every single time. (And before somebody rips me, I know that he did, in fact, throw a curve first pitch a few times.)

  309. P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    CR9,

    Right! And our overpaid monster bats can’t buy a base hit. All month!!! (aside from robbie).

    I remember when the Yankees line-up would scare even retired pitchers in their sleep. Sadly, it was the same time as the PED fiasco (not saying all of them were on it, we know Jeter for one wouldn’t touch the stuff)..

    but this line-up has not been scary since Gary Sheff was in the 3 hole.

    Swish has Cliff Lee’s number tonight, too bad nobody else does.

  310. Laura - Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Swisher doesn’t seem to have a problem with Lee.

  311. ac1 June 29th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    man we are so out of this game. Dang…

  312. Asd June 29th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    See, now you just need to bat swish 9 times in a row. That will fix things.

  313. Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Too bad we can’t have 9 Swisher’s batting tonight.

  314. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    swisha our only run producer

  315. m June 29th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    5 more of those, please!

  316. Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    This start has nothing to do with Hughes being skipped. He hasn’t been good for a couple of starts now. It seems like his velocity and stuff got worse in every start.

  317. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    On June 13, on regular rest, Phil Hughes gave up 5 runs in 5 2/3 innings to the Astros.

    Don’t start with this ridiculous nonsense that the Yankees are ruining Phil or it is their fault he pitched poorly tonight.

  318. Eric June 29th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Just hope the Rays crush The Sux

  319. Ace June 29th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Be sensible. This games over. Lee is legit. May have been over at 2-1

  320. RS June 29th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Would people stop blaming the Yankees for ruining Hughes? If one skipped turn in the rotation rattles him this much then he’s not going to be a top starter. Pettitte and Vazquez have had their starts skipped this year and both came back pitching brilliantly. It’s possible that the extra rest hurt Hughes, but that doesn’t mean it was the wrong thing to do. It just means that he hasn’t yet learned how to adapt to this particular type of adversity.

  321. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    “# Laura – Plug it in, change the world! June 29th, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    SEA must really stink. The announcers sound like they just won the World Series.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    When you have been watching the brand of loserball they has been watching this season this must feel like heaven

    A win tonight gives them a nice 32-44 Record and a mere 14.5 games out.

    Yuck, Yanks really stunk the joint up tonight with the Hughes start.

    Hope tomorrow is better than this performance.

  322. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Roidtiz just went deep 3-0 sox

  323. Terry from NH June 29th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Boston should be 1 back after this loss tonight.. Papi 3 run shot

  324. TheStraw June 29th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    “This rotation is an absolute disaster”

    What team have you been watching all season?

  325. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Pistol, if Phil pitches like this the rest of the year or just struggles overall, that’s his fault, not the Yankees’.

    By the way, to the poster who said they’d fire Girardi over this – this was an organizational decision.
    Phil was awful tonight, one of the worst starts in his career, but it wasn’t because of the rest – he was too bad to blame this on the rest.

  326. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Tex has been much better at the plate (9 game hit streak) but he’s still not there. I’d love for him to just hit one of his huge hot streaks. Hit 400 over a 10-15 game stretch. If he did that, with Arod looking ready to explode and Cano at his best, look out.

  327. chan ho's runs June 29th, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    I’m not that upset about the game itself, since I was kinda expecting a loss with Lee pitching. I’m more worried about what skipping Phil may have done to him.

  328. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    He was fine against the Mets…….. I just gave a list of his recent starts; there were some bad ones, but definitely some very good ones.

  329. Peter Abe. June 29th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Oh look the injury plagued Red Sox leading the Rays 3-0.

    All those injuries must be really hurting them.

    The Sox are now only 2 back in the loss column !

  330. Asd June 29th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Well, that looked cool, but the grounds keepers are probably pretty mad at Ichiro right now.

  331. P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Tex grounds the first pitch of course.

    Tex went from “runner up MVP” to “Post Season Goat” to “Worst Slump in a decade”

    the guy would probably have .230 in backyard wiffle ball.

    Alex is another one, these guys exercise no patience at the plate and they swing at friggin balls!

    Ugggg this team gets so frustrating some times!

  332. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Forget the All-Star game, Cervelli and Hughes need to go down to AAA and figure things out.
    When you give up 7 runs to the pathetic Seattle Mariners there are serious issues.

  333. RS June 29th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    “Trying to score 7 off of Lee?”

    It’s about as far fetched as scoring 4 off of Broxton. And they don’t have to score 7 runs off Lee. He’s probably not pitching all 9 innings.

  334. m June 29th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Overreact much?

    Phil’s been pitching bad of late, but not this bad.

    He’ll pitch better next time out, bank on it.

  335. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    I’m not one to panic but this start by Hughes against a very poor Mariners offense is a bit disconcerting.

    Maybe it was the long rest or whatever but 7 runs to the Seattle Mariners, they won’t be confused with a good offense at all.

    This is a game if they won it should have been 3-1 or something like that with Lee throwing a complete game for them to get the win.

  336. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Geez Michelle, are you kidding?

  337. pat June 29th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    “Just wondering, do all teams pamper their young starters by limiting their innings? ”

    Yes, but nobody disects it like they do with the Yankees.

  338. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Great and the BloSux are beating Tampa 3-0

  339. Terry from NH June 29th, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    3-4-5 hitters are 0-9 tonight

  340. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    LOL Explain how Eiland and co. have no confidence in his secondary pitches – yep, he’s a bad pitcher, no doubt.

  341. Asd June 29th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    I find it funny that some people here are worried about the sox/rays outcome. They do realize that there is no way for both teams to come away with a loss right? No matter who wins/loses, it helps.

  342. P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Redsox bats are on fire right now without DP and VM.

    Yankees and Rays bats are absolutely dead all month. Even Cano is struggling of late. Yes, I know he won the game in LA, but in the last few weeks he is like 3 for 27?

  343. Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Umm Joe West where was that pitch?

  344. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Betsy-

    Just ignore certain ppl talking about Hughes lol. He had a bad start. So be it. People will blame it on the rest but he just didn’t have good location tonight. People are always looking to make up things about the Yanks. Not worth getting into it.

  345. TheStraw June 29th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Matt-

    That last AAA comment proves that you are a complete idiot.

  346. CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    This was just a Joe West game for our offense, and a bad luck game for our offense.

  347. Butch June 29th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    I really think Matt and Michelle are the same person.

  348. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Tyler, I completely agree – I like a veteran behind the plate for Phil (even though Frankie has caught some of Phil’s great games, those games were long ago; he needs a vet to guide him when he’s struggling)

  349. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Eiland is not calling the pitches, Hughes and Cervelli are. These guys are in the big leagues, they call their own games.

    It’s the battery’s fault for Hughes continuing to get beaten on fastballs over and over again. The scouting report is out now that you can just sit fastball against Hughes, so you have to adjust back and start mixing it up more. When you don’t do that, you can’t expect to have good outings.

    Even in Hughes more recent OK outings, he’s been giving up way too many hard hits to guys sitting on his fastball. Both home runs to Reyes were a prime example. If the guy sits on your pitch and you miss location, he is going to crush it. You can get away with those sometimes if you have the hitter thinking enough about other pitches, look at what Cliff Lee has done tonight. They are hitting him hard, but just missing it enough to make outs.

  350. Peter Abe. June 29th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    It would be hilarious if the Sox surge into first place amidst all these injuries while the Yanks fall apart pitching-wise even though everyone’s healthy.

    Certainly seems very likely to happen at this point.

  351. m June 29th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Asd,

    Would be nice to come away with the win, then we would gain on somebody. :)

    Still have 9 outs to play with. (fingers crossed)

  352. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Even Cano is struggling of late. Yes, I know he won the game in LA, but in the last few weeks he is like 3 for 27?
    ————————————

    Cano’s hitting .340 in May. I doubt he’s had a 3 for 27 stretch all season. Go play in traffic.

  353. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    Why didn’t logan knock that down?

  354. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    *in June. .340 in june.

  355. Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    “Forget the All-Star game, Cervelli and Hughes need to go down to AAA and figure things out.
    When you give up 7 runs to the pathetic Seattle Mariners there are serious issues.”

    Dumbest comment of the night.

  356. RS June 29th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    “I find it funny that some people here are worried about the sox/rays outcome. They do realize that there is no way for both teams to come away with a loss right? No matter who wins/loses, it helps.”

    Exactly. Weren’t the Rays in first place about a week ago? And now people are rooting for them to win and get themselves back on track.

    As far as I’m concerned I’d love to see the Rays take a nosedive and have it be a 2 team race like we saw the second half of last year.

  357. Devin June 29th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    How can someone take Matt seriously when he says send Hughes to AAA??!!

    Please ignore the troll

  358. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    i wonder how that 2nd inning would’ve turned out if Gardner was batting. Lee had 2 full counts and a walk that inning.

  359. m June 29th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    It could be that Phil is not sharp because of the rest. That would be preferable to the alternatives, like he sucks or he’s tipping his pitches or he really does only have 1 pitch. :roll:

  360. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    “# Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Betsy-

    Just ignore certain ppl talking about Hughes lol. He had a bad start. So be it. People will blame it on the rest but he just didn’t have good location tonight. People are always looking to make up things about the Yanks. Not worth getting into it.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    I don’t think its the bad start moreso compared to the team that it came against.

    The Mariners offense is horrible. They have no power and awful averages

    The Mariners get this Rank

    27th in Average
    30th in HR
    29th in RBI
    30th in Hits

    This was a terrible start by Hughes against an awful offense, the worst in baseball actually.

  361. Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    “LOL Explain how Eiland and co. have no confidence in his secondary pitches”
    ———————–

    Umm….If they did then why did it take 5 innings to finally start throwing them more? Everyone saw that the dreadful Mariners were sitting fastball and hitting his fastball all over the ballpark. But he continued throwing it and didn’t try to mix it up and make an adjustment at all. Yeah that really shows faith in his other pitches.

  362. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    If Logan gets out of this without allowing a run we will win the game.

  363. Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    # Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Even Cano is struggling of late. Yes, I know he won the game in LA, but in the last few weeks he is like 3 for 27?
    ————————————

    Cano’s hitting .340 in May. I doubt he’s had a 3 for 27 stretch all season. Go play in traffic.
    ——————

    Definitely not 3 for 27. He’s only had 4 games all month in which he didn’t get at least one hit.

  364. Peter Abe. June 29th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    How many of you said “The Mariners have no offense” before the series?

    Are you the same ones who said the Phillies have no offense?

  365. mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Hopefully Gardner is back for King Felix.
    Let Posada catch and DH Curtis.
    Better lineup than tonight by far.

  366. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    people forget that our ace had a few bad starts as well.

  367. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    people forget that our ace had a few bad starts as well.

  368. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    # Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    “LOL Explain how Eiland and co. have no confidence in his secondary pitches”
    ———————–

    Umm….If they did then why did it take 5 innings to finally start throwing them more? Everyone saw that the dreadful Mariners were sitting fastball and hitting his fastball all over the ballpark. But he continued throwing it and didn’t try to mix it up and make an adjustment at all. Yeah that really shows faith in his other pitches.

    That’s on Phil. He throws what he wants.

  369. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    You guys are so insulted by my imposter haha. I’d usually respond to it, but I’d rather let you guys go nuts about that comment, it’s way more priceless. Do you honestly think I’d make such a ridiculous comment? I talk about the mindset behind a player on the field, I don’t say to release him like those other nuts.

    Cervelli should not be starting this many games though, he is somewhat right about that. If you have a guy like Montero in AAA and a wide open DH/C rotation like this, you need to get him up here and get some major league experience. Cervelli should be the third catcher, he is way overexposed and is really nothing more than a backup to begin with.

  370. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Macfan-

    I know that the Mariners are the worst offense in baseball. But big deal. They do have some talented hitters still. Ichiro is one of the games best. Gutierrez is one of the most underrated players in the game. They just got Branyan back. Yes, it is a pathetic offense but bad games are bound to happen even against bad offenses. The Mariners hit his mistakes. Give them credit. Phil made them and the Mariners made them pay. The game isn’t played on paper. The league’s worst offense can be good 1 night.

  371. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Tyler, yeah – I’m going to have to ignore some people. Now, I do think there is reason to be concerned about Phil going forward and I’ve already mentioned those concerns..

  372. mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    The guy had a bad night, cant we leave it at that?

  373. P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Okay I am done complaining :-)

    Seriously people, how can you not trade for Lee? This guys is awesome. As we saw last year it was our pitching that got us the title.. so I say this Seattle, “Who would you like?”

    How about Curtis Granderson for starters. *joking*

    I’d much rather have traded IPK, Coke, Austin Jax for Lee than a guy who can’t hit lefties and is batting puke numbers.. Curtis dropped 20+ points each year, the past 3 years. Hopefully we don’t see that happen to Mark Tex-Zero.

  374. Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Even the worst offense in baseball has a good game once in a while. They are still major league hitters. And a major league hitter can drill a fastball over the middle of the plate.

    He had a bad game. He’s still young. I’ll get over it.

  375. Peter Abe. June 29th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    You know what they say: “Nothing cures a bad offense like Yankee pitching.”

    We have seen it over and over again.

  376. CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Some positive out of tonight was seeing how well Granderson hit against Lee. Who says Granderson cannot learn to hit lefties.

  377. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    We gon’ win dis game

  378. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    # Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Macfan-

    Yes, it is a pathetic offense but bad games are bound to happen even against bad offenses. The Mariners hit his mistakes. Give them credit. Phil made them and the Mariners made them pay. The game isn’t played on paper. The league’s worst offense can be good 1 night.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Very true about that, just surprised at how poorly Phil pitched tonight.

  379. CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Great job getting out of that inning unscathed. Only 5 runs. Easily doable.

  380. Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    ————–

    In first place, with a better record at this point than they had last year.

  381. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    So maybe if you aren’t as sharp with fastball command, you need to try something else to keep the hitters off balance?

    Hughes looked like AJ Burnett out there tonight with the way he was so stubborn with his fastball. It’s nice to have a good fastball, but you just cannot rely on it exclusively as a starter in the Major Leagues. As a reliever who faces hitters once in a game, yes, but not as a starter facing guys 3 times.

    Hughes refusing to use his secondary pitches is why he got clobbered tonight, not that he had too much rest. Everyone was proclaiming him an ace after one turn through the league, but aces can get by even without their best stuff, look at what CC did the other night with his offspeed pitches. Hughes is a good young pitcher, but he still has a lot to learn.

  382. pat June 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    “If Logan gets out of this without allowing a run we will win the game.”

    I’m holding you to that. :wink:

  383. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Logan has done a pretty good job in this longer relief role so far. That’s a guy who if he can locate his pitches can be very effective. I have no idea if he threw 95 on the Sox but it is impressive.

  384. Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    “That’s on Phil. He throws what he wants.”
    ———–

    You would think between innings they talk about these things. Especially when a team is sitting on his fastball like they were tonight.

  385. stuart June 29th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    medicore outing!!!hughes was terrible tonight..

    he gave up numerous hits to such star hitters as jack wilson, johnson, and the 9th place hitter on a horrible team.

    hughes struggled basically the whole game…

  386. Asd June 29th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    I don’t care what anyone else says. I’ve seen marked improvement from Logan since his return.

  387. RS June 29th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    “people forget that our ace had a few bad starts as well.”

    Not to mention I seem to recall Sabathia having a terrible start against the Mariners at home last year.

  388. Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    # Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    ————–

    In first place, with a better record at this point than they had last year.

    At least, that’s where MY team is. Where’s yours?

    (I hate it when I forget to finish my post and prematurely click “submit”)

  389. P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    mick,

    Phil is allowed to have a bad night, I complain a lot.. but not going to complain about our 10-1 (soon to be 10-2) young arm..

    But you have to attribute it to the break in his routine. Why would they skip his start now, before the all-star break? I don’t understand Joe G and upper mgmt.. they make some very stoooooopeeeeed moves and some might say the dumbest being no move.

  390. m June 29th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Wow! So that’s a preview of Logan as a starter. No, thanks!

    Okay, we may not win this game, but no more Seattle runs would be good.

  391. TheStraw June 29th, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Starting to think Peter Abe is also Matt/michelle

  392. stuart June 29th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    boone logan stinks…

    the yanks have the 9th best era, pet abe imposter boston is about 19th so shut your pie hole.

  393. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Macfan-

    I am too. I actually thought he could struggle some tonight but I thought he would limit the damage more. He also didn’t get great fielding either. Everybody besides Swish kind of seems dead tonight. Maybe a little LA hangover?

  394. Yo Papa June 29th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    AaaaasaaaaaaAaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

    Sound of Hughes falling back to earth.

  395. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    TheStraw June 29th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
    Matt-

    That last AAA comment proves that you are a complete idiot.

    You are the idiot if you think that comment came from me. When do I ever post two short sentences of inane stupidity? It was obviously an imposter and you were stupid enough to think it was me.

    My posts are full of intelligent baseball commentary. You’ll never see me waving pom poms saying, “ohh look a base hit!”. The intelligent posters on this blog recognize my baseball insight and may not always like it but know it’s the truth.

    You don’t have to be a washed up minor leaguer to know baseball. You don’t have to be 80 years old either. Just watch the game and learn.

  396. Asd June 29th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    >Sturart:

    “hughes struggled basically the whole game… ‘
    =========

    Not true. There were times that the Yankees were batting.

  397. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Tyler, exactly. Major league hitters are going to hit if the pitcher stinks even if the offense is generally poor – that’s why they are in the big leagues.

    Phil has generally done a very good job of pitching without his best stuff, but this was a time when he had nothing. As Clemens once said, a pitcher doesn’t go out to the mound with his very best stuff very often- but those are easy games. Games where a pitcher has nothing are games that end badly, but he enjoyed working with his medium/iffy stuff because he had to really pitch. No pitcher is going to make it through a game when he’s got NO stuff………..

  398. mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    P
    Do you really think this will upset Phil for the remainder of the season?
    If it does there is something seriously wrong and not because he missed a start.

  399. YankeeRay June 29th, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    I haven’t read the thread and I’m not reacting to the game. Check out my post in todays Post on the Hughes article as I have been saying this for 2 weeks now.
    The Yanks need Lee now not next year. If you can get him for 3 Months now and not give up the draft picks then you have to make the move.
    Find a 3 way trade with Javy and trade Romine, Nunez and get something for Javy to throw in the deal.
    Javy will be gone after this year anyway and who would you rather have start in the playoffs Lee or Javy?
    Let Burnett and Hughes fight it out for the 4th playoff start with the loser going to the pen in the playoffs, Hughes will probably be innings limited out by that time anyway.
    It is the new Yankee way when you think you have enough pitching then go get more.
    Yes we need another arm now in the pen but our bats will be fine and hopefully NJ can come back and add some life to the line up which he didn’t do early on.
    Why wait for next year when you can get him now and save the draft picks? I know Cash doesn’t want to pay twice but Lee could be the difference this year.
    Opinions?

  400. CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    Just took strike 3 right down the middle.

  401. CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Another great swing of the bat by Granderson off Lee!

  402. JM June 29th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Phil Hughes had a bad game. Cliff Lee is a great pitcher. It’s one game. If the Yanks lose, they come back and play tomorrow and hopefully have a bit more success against King Felix.

    All this sky is falling because the Yankees are losing a game stuff is really old.

  403. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    I mean if Hughes had this game when he was 23 I would be totally fine with it. But now that he’s 24, this is completely unacceptable :)

  404. Ace June 29th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    We have a winner for dumbest comment of the year with the whole Hughes n Cervelli to Scranton thing.

  405. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Who was calling Phil an ace? He could be a future ace, but he’s not one now – either is Price, Buchholz, etc………It takes a lot to be an ace.

  406. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Lee might complete this game

  407. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    Price is the ace of that staff

  408. Asd June 29th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    You would think after watching Swish patiently sitting back for two pitches and hitting a homerun, other Yankees would be a bit more patient themselves… not so much.

  409. Ace June 29th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    Losing to Lee isn’t something to get down about.

  410. Rob B (Never a Gardner doubter) June 29th, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    “Who was calling Phil an ace? He could be a future ace, but he’s not one now – either is Price, Buchholz, etc………It takes a lot to be an ace.”

    Earlier in the year I’m sure some people (myself included) were saying that Phil was “pitching LIKE an ace.” Those with reading comprehension limitations, of course, are now mis-remembering what was really said.

  411. YankeeRay June 29th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    m June 29th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
    It could be that Phil is not sharp because of the rest. That would be preferable to the alternatives, like he sucks or he?s tipping his pitches or he really does only have 1 pitch.

    ——
    I agree the rest could have hurt him, all part of the new way to treat young pitchers.
    But, I would have liked to see him throw more changeups to the lefties. Watching Straussberg throw them to righties was impressive last night.

  412. JM June 29th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Tampa sure has come back down to earth with a thud. Sox up 4-0 with runners at first and second, none out

  413. mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Why should they give up on Romine when they can get Lee for free? (I know about the draft picks)

  414. Abe's Odd World June 29th, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Way to make Lee work you crap heads. 8 pitches?? Seriously!?! The only chance you guys have of winning this game is getting Lee out of it. Taking 8 stupid pitches isn’t going to get it done you morons.

  415. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    “# JM June 29th, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Phil Hughes had a bad game. Cliff Lee is a great pitcher. It’s one game. If the Yanks lose, they come back and play tomorrow and hopefully have a bit more success against King Felix.

    All this sky is falling because the Yankees are losing a game stuff is really old.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Well the goal of every series is 2 of 3 so lets hope tomorrow night is better starting wise.

    I think what is getting people extra antsy is the team it came against, but as Tyler said even bad teams will take advantage of poor pitches and the Mariners did tonight.

    Wish Phil could have kept this to 3 or 4 runs over 7. Would have given the Yanks a much better chance.

  416. Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    This is a perfect game for Park to pitch 2 innings in. He can’t hurt the team tonight.

  417. P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    “P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    ————–

    In first place, with a better record at this point than they had last year.”

    Uhm, that doesn’t mean diddly.. besides it sure as heck hasn’t been our bats that have gotten us this record.

    It’s hard to watch this team this year, 90% of the games are pitching matches.. I used to watch every game the entire season because I loved watching this team smash the ball.. I know, PEDS.. but I really didn’t think that that and losing Matsui,Damon would make this team so boring to watch offensively.

    I dunno man, it’s like there is no aggressiveness or fire in this team.. they just don’t seem hungry and mean.. Half my family is Redsox fans the other half NYY (from CT) and I gotta tell ya, that these sox just seem to fight ever at-bat.. they have this presence about them that says, “throw it buddy, I am gonna knock the cover off the ball”.. with the NYY it’s more like, “let’s have a good game and play hard”.

    Where is that line-up that not a single pitcher looks forward to facing? Will it ever come back?

  418. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Joe G doesn’t know how to maximize Chop.

  419. TheStraw June 29th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Matt- I have forgotten more baseball in my 43 years than you have ever watched. But I also have kids and a life, so I don’t presume to fancy myself as some kind of pseudo-journalist. Some of you commentary is somewhat intelligent and some just plain wrong. That doesn’t mean you have to beat us over the head with your supposed wisdom. A few choice comments here and there would be more effective.

  420. Abe's Odd World June 29th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    And here’s comes Boston. Ugh.

  421. JM June 29th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Agreed Macfan, against Lee, Phil really had to limit the damage and he didn’t do his job.

  422. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    P- (where is my team?),

    Go watch Red Sox games then and post on Boston.com

    Trust me, no one will miss you.

    Oh and have fun in 2nd place. But at least your consolation prize will be that well, they are more fun to watch!

  423. Peter Abe. June 29th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    The boston offense continues to struggle like Seattle’s.

  424. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    “# JM June 29th, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Agreed Macfan, against Lee, Phil really had to limit the damage and he didn’t do his job.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    That’s the key keep the team in the game at worst.

    But considering what Burnett has done this whole month Hughes can be cut some slack over this one.

  425. NYYanksFan June 29th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    If Phil’s outing was bad because of the skipped start, the rust would have been there in the first inning and that was the only inning he didn’t give up a run.

    This was just a bad start.

  426. YankeeRay June 29th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
    Why should they give up on Romine when they can get Lee for free? (I know about the draft picks)

    ——-

    Because you can’t get Lee for free for the next 3 Months. There is also no guarantee that you can get him when he is free but if you trade for him now you have a better chance of signing him like Philly did with Halladay.
    Is Romine going to be the next guaranteed catcher? Will we end up trading him later? Who better to trade him for than a front line starter?

  427. CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    At least Rob Johnson drilled West in the mask with a foul ball.

  428. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    I know what Joe G is thinking. “only 11 pitches. I can stretch him 1 more.”

  429. TheStraw June 29th, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    YankeeRay-
    Agree as long as we don’t give up Montero in the deal.

  430. P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    mick,

    “P
    Do you really think this will upset Phil for the remainder of the season?
    If it does there is something seriously wrong and not because he missed a start.”

    I don’t think this start will plague him the entire season, but he was owning.. why break his routine? What I do think my crash the rest of the season is Joe G and Yankee Brass trying to protect his arm too much and blow out his mechanics without a steady routine.

  431. Abe's Odd World June 29th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Let’s hope the upper idiots kibosh the skipping starts idea. After seeing this crap I would think they realize how much that just efs up a pitchers ritual/rhythm.

  432. The Unstoppable Red Sox Offense June 29th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Why so sad?

  433. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Lee won’t pitch the same for us if he came here.

  434. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Carl, but he’s not a true ace yet………..There aren’t that many of those in baseball. In the AL East, true aces are Lester and CC……I won’t go through the other divisions. The terrific young pitchers have chances to be aces, but they aren’t yet.

    If Phil is going to be one, he’s going to need more than a FB.

  435. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    If any of the Red Sox lovers on here want to actually put their money where their mouth is I will gladly take a bet.

    Yankees will win the AL East.

    Any takers? Name your price.

  436. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Phil has done a very good job minimizing damage; tonight, he had absolutely nothing. When you have nothing, just be glad you emerge from the game healthy.

  437. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    # Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Carl, but he’s not a true ace yet………..There aren’t that many of those in baseball. In the AL East, true aces are Lester and CC……I won’t go through the other divisions. The terrific young pitchers have chances to be aces, but they aren’t yet.

    If Phil is going to be one, he’s going to need more than a FB.

    Price eats up the AL East. He is an Ace.

  438. franmerrf June 29th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    There are an awful lot of zeros in that Yankee box score.

  439. Mt. Vernon June 29th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Sox will be one game back of us after today

    Where are all the folks who said their offense would be doomed without Pedroia and V-Mart?

    They are 3-0 without them and have scored 4+ runs in each game.

  440. The Unstoppable Red Sox Offense June 29th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    I bet you $1000 the Red Sox will take first place in 4 days.

  441. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    Yankee players don’t even need a shower after this game, hardly broke a sweat in this hot weather. :)

  442. Dave June 29th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    Price IS an ace. How long does he need to do it for? 1 yr? 2 years? 3 years?

    It is all arbitrary.

  443. Abe's Odd World June 29th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    This inning is key. They need to get Lees pitch count above 110 and score at least 1 or 2 runs. Please score.

  444. George C. June 29th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Pathetic lineup. Lee putting on a clinic. Can’t wait to see how King Felix schools Javy tomorrow

  445. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    I would sum up this game in one word: anomaly.

    Hughes lacked command due to the layoff.

    The Mariners produced some offense.

    Granderson has two hits v. LHP, a very, very good one no less.

    Swisher has two HRs in one game at YS.

  446. Yanks Check June 29th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    “I bet you $1000 the Red Sox will take first place in 4 days.”

    Considering the quality of pitching we face the next few days, you are really not going out on a limb there.

  447. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Cliff Lee could pitch his 3rd straight complete game tonight and 4th this month.

    Dude is a beast.

  448. mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    There is no guarantee Lee will stay with us if we got him.
    I doubt we give up Romine, catchers are hard to find.
    We should win w/o Lee this year.
    He’s going FA no matter what.

  449. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    “# Mt. Vernon June 29th, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Sox will be one game back of us after today

    Where are all the folks who said their offense would be doomed without Pedroia and V-Mart?

    They are 3-0 without them and have scored 4+ runs in each game.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Its called a season for a reason.

    If the BloSux are so great why are they trailing the Yankees, the Yankees also have 2 games in hand on them.

  450. Abe's Odd World June 29th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    9 fricking pitches. How utterly pathetic.

  451. pat June 29th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Betsy

    Why get so caught up in the word “ace”? It’s a silly label that really doesn’t matter.

  452. Darth June 29th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    King Felix vs. Vazquez tomorrow

    Yikes

  453. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    # LGY June 29th, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Cliff Lee could pitch his 3rd straight complete game tonight and 4th this month.

    Dude is a beast.

    Yep. Just carving up our lineup.

  454. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    “# The Unstoppable Red Sox Offense June 29th, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    I bet you $1000 the Red Sox will take first place in 4 days.”

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Where do you clowns come from. How about being in first place first before running your trap TROLL.

  455. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    “There is no guarantee Lee will stay with us if we got him.”

    If the Yankees want him, short of someone sleeping with his wife (is he married?), he’s staying.

    That said, I would rather wait until the season is over to get him.

  456. Yanks 43 June 29th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    If David Price isin’t an ace, who is?

    He’s not going to fall apart. He is simply living up to his projection and his numbers have reflected that. His numbers against the AL East are just sick too.

  457. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Carl, we disagree. It takes a lot more than 1/2 a year for me to call a pitcher an ace.

  458. Bo knows June 29th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    To cheer people up – Hey, how about that Culver? Four for five with 3 line drive singles to LF and RF, a 2B to center and an SB. Good day for the kid.

  459. P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    LGY,

    I am a yankee fan for 20 years. But I watch a lot of teams, and just because boston is our enemy it doesn’t mean you can’t appreciate good baseball. They are hitting .320+ as a team in June.

    Maybe be a little more patient with yourself in comprehending my post.

  460. JM June 29th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Chad is right. Lee has passed the audition. LOL.

    Imagine him joining CC in the Yankees rotation (and no I don’t think Cashman will trade for him, but I do think he’ll go after him big-time in the offseason). Wow.

  461. V Torch June 29th, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    I wonder where all the folks who didn’t want to pay Lee were…

    see what he is doing tonight?

    He can do that for us for the next 5 years.

    Just a beast. Pounds the zone pitch after pitch.

  462. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Here we are shivering about Lee and Hernandez but apparently teams in baseball have been beating these guys or at least the Mariners even when they start and pitch well.

    So something must be missing here.

  463. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    ” They are hitting .320+ as a team in June.”

    Why do you care about a sample size of one month?

  464. melladie June 29th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Brian Heyman is a Red Sox fan.

  465. mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    This is not the same thing they did to Joba.
    Phil will miss another start or 2 in Sept when we have runaway with it.
    These days off are bases on evidence of injuries that have ruined careers.
    Give it a rest :)

  466. Fireman June 29th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    So when did CC become an ace?

    Was it after an excellent 2006?

    Was it after 2007 when he won the CY Young, even when he had a lower ERA in 2006 when no one knew about him?

    Was it after he carved up the NL with the Brew Crew?

    An “ace” is what you define it is. Price can absolutely be considered an ace

  467. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    I already said: CC and Lester. I have nothing against Price, but I’m not calling any pitcher an ace after 1/2 year no matter how good his stuff is.

  468. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    FrankiePiliere

    Can’t expect Hughes to be effective after 10 days. Especially since the curveball is a feel pitch and mostly wasn’t there tonight

  469. RS June 29th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Vazquez is a completely different pitcher than Hughes so hopefully he’ll have success tomorrow.

    Another gem by Lee against the Yankees just means he’s one step closer to wearing pinstripes :) At least, that’s how I spin this positively.

  470. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    I would trade for him. I would deal Javy.

  471. Seth June 29th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Hughes better get used to it, he has a long hiatus coming up between his last start before the break and first start after it.

  472. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Reading some folks here you would think the BloSux clinched a division title tonight.

    Newsflash

    The BEST record in baseball belongs to the awful, mediocre, NEW YORK YANKEES

  473. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    “I already said: CC and Lester. I have nothing against Price, but I’m not calling any pitcher an ace after 1/2 year no matter how good his stuff is.”

    There is a Strasburg exception to the general rule.

  474. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Fireman, fine – then you call Price an ace. In my mind, he’s not………..neither are most of the other very good oung pitchers.

  475. Al June 29th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Frankie, as usual, is spot on. The more you keep skipping him, the less sharp he will be with his secondary pitches.

  476. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Yanks 43 June 29th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
    If David Price isin’t an ace, who is?

    He’s not going to fall apart. He is simply living up to his projection and his numbers have reflected that. His numbers against the AL East are just sick too.
    =======
    helps that he’s a lefthander

  477. Yanks 43 June 29th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Strasburg is an ace, and he has pitched for 4 games.

    Hell, the media is forcing Manual to put him on the All-Star game rooster

  478. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    “I am a yankee fan for 20 years. ”

    ———————————–

    You have learned that little in 20 years of watching the Yankees that make ridiculous comments like this Yankee team is not “hungry”?

  479. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    I really want to see some heart this inning.

  480. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Here comes the rally

  481. P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Don’t fool yourself,

    The Sox are interested in snatching Lee up for this season as a rental with hopes to keep him.

    if the sox get Lee, that will be very bad, very very bad!

  482. AZ Four June 29th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    That Takahashi kid was lit up again tonight for the Mets….

    Bet the Mets fans are even more hungry for Lee after seeing what he did to us tonight

  483. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    It always cracks me up that some people think that solely because they have been a fan for a long time it means they know something.

    All it means is that you are old.

  484. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    dunno man, it’s like there is no aggressiveness or fire in this team.. they just don’t seem hungry and mean.. Half my family is Redsox fans the other half NYY (from CT) and I gotta tell ya, that these sox just seem to fight ever at-bat.. they have this presence about them that says, “throw it buddy, I am gonna knock the cover off the ball”.. with the NYY it’s more like, “let’s have a good game and play hard”.
    ————————————-

    We might have a late contender for dumbest post of the night….

    Those gritty, gutty Red Sox. I love them. Only problem is I heard there is a tooth pick shortage in Boston as they are all being utilized into crutches for Pedroia. Tough times in Beantown. Only thing tougher would be if the Bruins blew a 3-0 lead to the Flyers. oh wait. I mean it woudl be worse though if they had a 3-0 lead in the 1st period at home in game 7 damn. Well at least the C’s didn’t lose game 7 to the Lakers. I give up.

  485. Rick June 29th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    “# Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    I would trade for him. I would deal Javy.

    I wish :(

    I hope they are at least looking into it.

  486. The Unstoppable Red Sox Offense June 29th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    “The BEST record in baseball belongs to the NEW YORK YANKEES”

    In 4 days, that won’t be the case.

  487. George C. June 29th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    The layoff has little to do with Hughes’ ineffectiveness tonight. He’s been mediocre for his last 5 or 6 starts. Just couldn’t put away hitters. League/scouting reports might also have caught up with him.

  488. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Some ugly swings by Alex.

  489. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    “if the sox get Lee, that will be very bad, very very bad!”

    I know. There are reports that if they get him that Selig will cancel the season and just give the WS trophy to the RS.

  490. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Funny but were the BloSux season over when they lost 2 of 4 at home to the Kansas City Royals earlier in the season.

    Look Hughes stunk tonight, but lets not get ahead of ourselves and lose perspective here of where this teams currently stands in baseball.

    Lets see what the Yankees do the rest of this series and the homestand.

    It never fails in baseball even when it is often repeated to never attempt jump to conclusions in a short time span when it comes to a long, long, long season like baseball.

  491. Al June 29th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Tyler,

    You forgot the Pats getting blown out in their own building by the Ravens in the playoffs, committing like 6 turnovers ;)

  492. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    darn

  493. JM June 29th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Let’s see who has the best record in baseball at the end of the year, shall we?

  494. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
    Don’t fool yourself,

    The Sox are interested in snatching Lee up for this season as a rental with hopes to keep him.

    if the sox get Lee, that will be very bad, very very bad!
    —————————–

    And who are the Sox going to give up to get him? They have so many great young catching prospects lol how do you choose? Or maybe Lars Anderson? He’s definitely tearing up AAA with that .200 average. Casey Kelly is the second coming of Clemens though. The only Sox prospect I like is Westmoreland (even though you don’t even know who that is) and that’s only because he was very sick earlier in the year and I’d like to see him make a comeback.

  495. mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    I wouldn’t be surprised to see Phil in the pen for the playoffs.
    They didn’t get Javy for his good looks.

  496. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Keep it going Yanks!

  497. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Tyler,

    It seems Mr. Matt was impostered so I think “P” is taking home the title for dumbest post tonight.

  498. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Al June 29th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
    Tyler,

    You forgot the Pats getting blown out in their own building by the Ravens in the playoffs, committing like 6 turnovers
    ———————————

    Haha I did forget about that Al. Then again, I am a Rams fan so I’ve tended to tune out football for my own health the past few years lol.

  499. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    why do they have to wait until the late innings?

  500. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    # igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    why do they have to wait until the late innings?

    They want to win.

  501. Macfan June 29th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    “# Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    dunno man, it’s like there is no aggressiveness or fire in this team.. they just don’t seem hungry and mean.. Half my family is Redsox fans the other half NYY (from CT) and I gotta tell ya, that these sox just seem to fight ever at-bat.. they have this presence about them that says, “throw it buddy, I am gonna knock the cover off the ball”.. with the NYY it’s more like, “let’s have a good game and play hard”.
    ————————————-

    We might have a late contender for dumbest post of the night….

    Those gritty, gutty Red Sox. I love them. Only problem is I heard there is a tooth pick shortage in Boston as they are all being utilized into crutches for Pedroia. Tough times in Beantown. Only thing tougher would be if the Bruins blew a 3-0 lead to the Flyers. oh wait. I mean it woudl be worse though if they had a 3-0 lead in the 1st period at home in game 7 damn. Well at least the C’s didn’t lose game 7 to the Lakers. I give up.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    ROFL, cancel the season its over for the Yankees I tell you. :)

    How dare they be in 1st place

  502. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Keep it going!!!

  503. P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    this is what i like to see!

  504. Asd June 29th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Oh dear… again?

  505. P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    but it only comes in spurts!

  506. pat June 29th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    Grandy going yard?

  507. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    If they can knock Lee out, you never know. Please bring in Aardsma and not Brandon League!

  508. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    let’s see if west screws the yankees

  509. pat June 29th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    No. :sad:

  510. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    :(

  511. chan ho's runs June 29th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Man it’s too bad Phil stunk it up. Offense did well against Lee.

  512. igotid88 June 29th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    darn crap

  513. P- (where is my team?) June 29th, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    I am over huffman and his swinging at the first pitch..

    get rid of this clown already!

  514. CR9 June 29th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Chad Huffman, despite helping us win the game the other night, swung at that first pitch, and a second pitch earlier. Who does Huffman think he is?

  515. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    They ran into one of the best pitchers in baseball tonight. No shame in 4 runs at all. Hughes just didn’t have it tonight. 2/3 would be great. They’ve gotten to King Felix in the past. I’d rather face him than Lee. Lee is just a strike throwing machine…

  516. Great.... June 29th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Pitiful game.

  517. Brick June 29th, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Hughes has not been “dominant” in his last several outings. His BB-K ratio has REALLY shrunk. Even in the Mets game, it was 3 walks and 4 Ks. That wasn’t a great outing, that was a “grind it out” outing. He gave up 2 HRs, he got a key double play from Bay.

    A lot of more of his fly balls are leaving the yard, his Ks are down considerably and his walks are up moderately.

    His only dominant outings since the Tigers game 6 weeks ago have been the home Indians/Orioles games. Those games he had excellent K/BB ratio and was very good.

    The Camden Yards game was an OK start – 6 IP, 3 runs. Mets game at Citi was mediocre too. Stros/Sox/tonight were bad.

    Again, his hot start has made the expectations very high, but he was never going continue that. It isin’t this tonight, he has really been mediocre for the past 6 weeks, overall. A couple dominant, 3 bad, rest were mediocre or solid.

  518. pat June 29th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Joe West is a happy man tonight.

  519. franmerrf June 29th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Would be nice if they didn’t wait til the 9th inning to put together a rally.

  520. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    CR9-

    You can’t complain about Chad Huffman. Of course, he’s probably pressing and will do that. Anything they get out of him is a plus. He’s not going to hit .300.

  521. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    “get rid of this clown already!”

    —————–

    Rich is right. You may have been a Yankee fan for a long time. But all that means is your old.

  522. Phil is the man, AJ is acting like a BOY June 29th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    It is good that Seattle’s MGR is as dumb as ours, leaving in a starting pitcher after he is gassed. Difference is Cliff Lee is….well Cliff Lee…..and Phil is just coming into his own and now having to deal with an innings limit. Oh well, this was the game I slated an L for…we come back and win the next 2 and maybe Seattle can just leave Lee behind to be fitted for some pinstripes ???
    .
    LOL
    .
    ;-)

  523. Abe's Odd World June 29th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Christ. That was pathetic. Take a pitch your morons.

  524. Rick June 29th, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Should have just kept Hughes in the minors till Mid-May then brought him up and let him fly on a normal schedule

  525. mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Hughes is still the 5th starter.
    Look for Javy to get game 4.

  526. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    “Should have just kept Hughes in the minors till Mid-May then brought him up and let him fly on a normal schedule”

    If this isn’t sarcasm it’s incredibly dumb.

  527. Yanks 43 June 29th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    “Phil is the man, AJ is acting like a BOY ”

    Might need to change your s\n

    “CC and Andy are the men, Hughes/Burnett are the boys, Vazquez is somewhere in the middle”

  528. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Phil is a smart guy, he’ll make the necessary adjustments so he can return to form. Tonight was pretty bad but I’m not overly worried about him

  529. mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    The pen will be that much stronger with Phil in it.

  530. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    mick-

    At this point Burnett is the 5th starter.

  531. Abe's Odd World June 29th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Christ. That was pathetic. Take a pitch you morons. This team needs 4 staters for the playoffs. With AJ sucking wind and the yanks insisting on these stupid Hughes Rules, I’m beginning to lean toward getting Lee now instead of waiting for the off season.

  532. CompassRosy June 29th, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Gotta love Lee. He just wins his third straight game via a complete game and in his post game interview he says, “I gotta do a better job getting ahead of the hitters.”

    *sigh*

    He WILL be missed :(

  533. blake June 29th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Lee has the same number of CG’s as walks. Tough night, Hughes just didn’t have it and they were facing a really good pitcher. You lose games when that happens. Tomorrow is another day. It would be nice if the Yankees could somehow channel their 9th inning offense to the other 8 innings at times.

  534. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Should have just kept Hughes in the minors till Mid-May then brought him up and let him fly on a normal schedule

    Haha what? And where do the 5 wins he had come from until mid-may? Sergio Mitre?

  535. mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    At this point Burnett is the 5th starter.
    ===========================
    You could be right, Tyler.

  536. Yankee22 June 29th, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    The Hughes rules are gonna hurt him like the Joba rules hurt him the last 2 years

  537. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Rich, why is that a dumb comment? Now, I’m not blaming this start completely on the rest, but his velocity was apparently way down and he had zilch. Some of that can be put on the rest – and now we’re going to have to go through this a few more times. That said, I agree with Brick. I love Phil, but I expect him to really struggle in the 2nd half.

  538. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    By the way, I’m starting to doubt my assertion that the Yanks won’t go after Lee if Pettitte re-signs. Lee is awesome :)

  539. Brick June 29th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    “mick-

    At this point Burnett is the 5th starter.”

    No doubt. Don’t think that will change either unless Vazquez returns to April Vazquez

  540. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    “CC and Andy are the men, Hughes/Burnett are the boys, Vazquez is somewhere in the middle”

    —————————

    Seriously? Hughes is 10-2 with an ERA in the mid 3′s? What did you expect him to be at this point? 15-0 with a 1.78 ERA? He hasn’t even had a complete season starting in the majors yet. The guys will probably be an all-star. Even Sabathia’s had bad games this year. Look at Pettite on Sunday night. He’s going to have bad starts but he’s had an incredible first half of the year. In my opinion, he’s easily a top 5 young starter in baseball at this point. He isn’t even throwing his secondary offerings well and he’s doing this. Imagine when those start clicking. The Yanks will have their first homegrown ace in a while on their hands.

  541. mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    AJ will straighten out and get on a hot streak.

  542. I was always right June 29th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    It is okay guys the Mariners are an easy team its ok they stink

    Oh wait

  543. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    It seems that many Yankee fans actually get dumber watching them lose.

    I hope that means these people get smarter watching them win.

    It only makes sense right?

  544. blake June 29th, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    “By the way, I’m starting to doubt my assertion that the Yanks won’t go after Lee if Pettitte re-signs. Lee is awesome ”

    He reminds me of Glavine with better stuff….which is pretty darn good.

  545. Tom in N.j. June 29th, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    “Should have just kept Hughes in the minors till Mid-May then brought him up and let him fly on a normal schedule”

    He still would have had to pitched down there every 5th day, you know, to remain stretched out…

  546. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Betsy,

    Phil’s velocity was not way down. Average fastball vel. tonight was 92.46. Avg fastball velocity prior to this start – 92.3

  547. Tyler June 29th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
    By the way, I’m starting to doubt my assertion that the Yanks won’t go after Lee if Pettitte re-signs. Lee is awesome
    —————————————-
    I haet to tie in 120 million on a pitcher, but he looks like he’s almost worth it…. That would give them 2 absolute rocks in the rotation with Sabathia and Lee.

  548. XLJ June 29th, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Hughes sucks put him back in the bullpen

  549. Joe June 29th, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Brick,

    Excellent post. But again, that was to be expected.

    If you were told the guy would have 12 wins and a 3.5 ERA at the ASB, people would have jumped for joy.

    Reading the pre-season predictions, most people had him in the 12-14 win mark with an ERA right around 4. Which is probably where he will end up, ERA-wise (with more wins obviously).

    He is simply balancing himself out. That’s what growing pains are— streaks of good, bad, and average.

  550. mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    All things considered , if we runaway with this and all 5 starters are solid, one goes into the pen come playoff time.

    My bet is Hughes as AJ and Javy have no experience.

  551. Abe's Odd World June 29th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    What a crappy loss

  552. Al June 29th, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    lol @ Brad Lidge

    Another blown save

  553. Russell June 29th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    Doesn’t get any easier tomorrow with Queen Felix on the mound

    Good Javy better show up

  554. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    We are seeing the league adjust to Hughes. Early in the season he blew people away with his fastball and cutter. Now hitters know that he will throw those pitches on pitchers counts (0-2, 1-2). Phil has to recognize that teams are figuring him out and adjust accordingly. I think he ought to throw more curveballs and changeups. He also should go further out of the zone when he gets a favorable account.

  555. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    Favorable count, not account :)

  556. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    Stop with the rest excuse. Hughes was not good tonight because he threw almost entirely fastball/cutter to a mediocre team that cannot hit a breaking ball. He gave up hits to guys on pitches that were in good spots, but when a team is sitting on a pitch they can hit those.

    This is entirely on Hughes and Cervelli tonight. If a team is sitting fastball and you refuse to adjust, that’s entirely your own fault. He threw 2 changeups in the entire game against a team sitting fastball, and both of them got swinging strikes.

    The cutter does not count as “mixing it up,” it’s essentially a BP fastball when a hitter sits on the 4-seamer since the speed separation is not that great. If the guy fouls off your 4-seamer the other way, what do you think he will do on a pitch that’s only 3-4 mph slower?

    No major league starting pitcher can pitch with essentially just a fastball and get away with it for much longer than a few starts. Hughes did not have pinpoint control tonight, but he could have gotten away with it if he kept hitters more off balance and mixed it up. No pitcher has his best stuff on any given night, and the best find ways to battle through it anyway.

    What you saw tonight was not necessarily a lack of sharpness, but a team that read the scouting report and adjusted to him. It’s up to Hughes to adjust back, and if he continues to do the same things out there that the other team is sitting on, then he is going to get hit around regardless of which team is on the field. These guys are in the Major Leagues because they can hit a fastball, and Hughes cannot get by without throwing something else to keep them off of his mistakes.

  557. Craw June 29th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    “I think he ought to throw more curveballs and changeups”

    Bingo. He can’t just be a 2 pitch pitcher anymore. They have adjusted, now he needs to show off the rest of his arsenal.

  558. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Tyler, I admit Phil’s secondary pitches concern me – they aren’t that good. Also, he’s stubborn about using his FB and not mixing things up. He’s got the talent, but it takes more than that to be a frontline starter.

    Patrick, thanks!

  559. Billy Rubin June 29th, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Pathetic Phil. Do you think we could send him and Montero to Seattle for Cliff Lee? Cashman needs to something before We’re in third place.

  560. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Guittierez: He was throwing fastballs and we were ready for that pitch

  561. Yo Papa June 29th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Hughes: 6.30ERA last 4 games.

    Hughes: 4.14ERA last 8 games

  562. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Matt, for pete’s sake – I have strong concerns about Phil as well, but this whole year so far he’s done a great job minimizing damage. Tonight he had nothing, absolutely nothing – no pitcher can work with what he had tonight, which was, again, nothing. Sometimes pitchers have terrible nights – it happens.

  563. John D June 29th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    Fastball/Cutter is a one-pitch pitcher… not a 2-pitch pitcher

    The variance between a FB and cutter is minimal. If they are sitting on the FB, they will sit on the cutter as well.

    Him throwing more secondary pitches are LONG overdue. As that guy above said, this is now a 6-week sample of mostly mediocre results.

    If he doesn’t change it up, the results will stay the same

  564. mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    I hope Phil wasn’t sulking tonight because they skipped him.

  565. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    LGY, ouch that is a very telling comment…………I hope Phil takes that to heart.

    Patrick, they started adjusting awhile ago; what’s taking him so long?

  566. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Phil has good secondary pitches. He just doesn’t throw them enough.

  567. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    This guy doing the MY9 postgame is an idiot.

    He probably posts on here.

  568. DET x 2 June 29th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Didn’t Kevin Cash take Hughes’ curveball out of the park?

    It’s not as easy as saying he has to throw it. He has to get the feel and command back for it before he can throw it successfully.

    You still see the good curve in spurts, but he can’t command it half the time when he does decide to throw it.

  569. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    John D, that’s why I prefer Jorge behind the plate – then again, Phil is doing the same thing with Jorge as with Frankie. I don’t know what will convince Phil that he has to change things up.

  570. Rick June 29th, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    I hope Hughes didn’t think that the cutter was a substitute for the change-up or curve. The cutter works in conjunction with that, not as a substitute.

    If his fastball is getting hit, so will his cutter.

  571. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Carl, his curve is so inconsistent…………..

    DET x 2, that’s right – so how does he go about getting the feel of it again?

  572. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    I wouldn’t put Phil in the bullpen for the postseason.

    Even if the risk is minimal I don’t want them messing with his routine and his arm with how different it is to warm up fast and then let it fly for one inning.

    I also think him starting in the postseason would be a great experience for him as a young starter with a bright future on a team that is there every year.

    I would limit him as much as they have to in season to make sure he will be able and strong for his starts come playoff time.

  573. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    I wouldn’t overstate the importance of Guittierez’s comment. Yes, Phil needs to mix his pitches (and throw his change), but if he has command and late life, it doesn’t matter if the opposition knows what’s coming.

  574. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    Betsy,

    I disagreed with you back in May and earlier this month about how Phil should throw more curves and changes. He was still getting decent enough results throwing mostly fastball/cutter with a few curves sprinkled in. Now that he’s gotten shelled by the worst offense in the league I think he’ll make adjustments.

    He’s taken this long to adjust probably because he was still winning ballgames. I am hopeful that after tonight, him and Eiland will get together and tweak the gameplan a bit.

  575. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    # Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Carl, his curve is so inconsistent…………..

    DET x 2, that’s right – so how does he go about getting the feel of it again?

    He doesn’t throw it enough. You can’t get consistency with it if you don’t throw it. Same with the change.

  576. 1981 NYY June 29th, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    He better have a different game-plan against Toronto… a FB hitting HR team will clobber him if he becomes predictable and tries to throw 2 pitches.

    He’ll be fine in the long run though, once he decides to move to Plan B and realizes the league has caught up to him.

  577. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Maybe the reason his secondary pitches are so inconsistent is that he rarely throws them?

    If you barely throw a pitch in game situations, its command is bound to suffer. If you have poor command of it, you lose confidence in it and throw it less. When you throw it less, its command suffers even more.

    It’s a vicious cycle that can only be broken by throwing the pitch more often and not being so stubborn about it. It’s not even the curveball as much as the changeup that he needs to throw more often. The cutter is useless if hitters do not have to worry about a pitch breaking the opposite way, they can just open up and yank it.

    Hughes shuts down righties, but lefties are starting to hit him. The changeup is the perfect pitch to keep a lefty off of your fastball.

    Throwing offspeed pitches makes his harder ones even better. You can’t get by with what is essentially 1 pitch (4-seam/cutter).

  578. vtred June 29th, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Mets tie the game in Florida

  579. mick June 29th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    If AJ gets it back and I think he will, it’s between Javy and Hughes for that 4th start.
    Phil would be more valuable in the pen than Javy.
    His experience last year will help him out there and he could be the 8th inning guy if Joba is shaky.

  580. vtred June 29th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    If his FB has the late life and command, he can still be a 2-pitch pitcher on some nights

    But he needs a back-up plan for nights like tonight.

  581. Gary Ruppert June 29th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    The fact is, the Yankees suck.

  582. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    John D, that’s why I prefer Jorge behind the plate – then again, Phil is doing the same thing with Jorge as with Frankie. I don’t know what will convince Phil that he has to change things up.

    Lol I’d guess getting shelled by the worst offense in the league will go a long way to convincing Phil that he needs to adjust…

    And now that Eiland is back, I would be that he does

  583. Matt June 29th, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Look at the pitch Gutierrez hit against Hughes. That is not a pitch you can hit unless you are sitting on the fastball.

    It doesn’t matter necessarily if you throw it to good spots if the hitter is opening up and cheating on it. You have to recognize a situation like that and show him at least one offspeed pitch just to get him thinking. When you become predictable, you will give up hits even on decent pitches because the hitter is not fooled anymore.

  584. Al June 29th, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Depends how Hughes views it
    Does he view it as him just having an off-night or attribute it to the rest? Or does he realize that it’s time to for him to adjust back to the league now that they have made adjustments?

    I wouldn’t assume that THIS game was the wakeup call.

  585. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Denard span with 3 triples in 5 innings. The record is 4 in a game.

  586. mick June 29th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Phil is young. He shows a temper and probably is still sulking over getting skipped in his hometown.
    This should be a learning experience.
    Innings matter but sometimes things are done that the naked eye don’t recognize.

    How’s Cano doing without his party buddy Melky gone?

  587. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Rich, but he does not have that command and late life recently – his K’s are dropping rapidly. Also, no pitcher, even one with a great FB, can survive just using that pitch…………..

    Patrick, I hope you’re right……….but there’s only so much Eiland can do. He told Phil earlier in the season not to get too cutter-happy and Phil didn’t really listen. He’s a great kid, but he does have a stubborn streak. He didn’t work on his change in the minors even though the Yankees told him he should – again, stubborness. He’s recently said that he wants to get back to pitching the way he can. Well, he has to start listening to those who know better. He needs his command back (not sure when that will happen) as well.

    Carl, I agree…………..the curve thing puzzles me. Even if he gets hit with hit, he still has to use it. I still don’t understand why he’s lost the feel. The change thing is beyond puzzling. He should have used it at the beginning of the season when he was feeling good about it (he was very excited). Now? It’s nothing special………and he has no confidence in it.

  588. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Dude… he just got killed by the worst offense in the league. Pretty sure he’s going to make some changes after this

  589. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    When does Phil show a temper and when has he ever shown an inclination to sulk?

    Patrick, I guess as mature as Phil is, he’s still 24 years old – he probably thinks he knows it all, lol.

  590. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Betsy,

    Since he got burned on the cutter that one time can you remember too many other times he’s gotten hit with it? It’s honestly been his best pitch this year, other than the 4-seamer.

    The Yanks told him to work on the change this spring and he did.

    Honestly Betsy, I know you are a huge fan but you are way too down on Phil. And a lot of it has to do with misinformation

  591. mick June 29th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Betsy, in the playoffs last season.

  592. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Patrick, I guess as mature as Phil is, he’s still 24 years old – he probably thinks he knows it all, lol.

    pffff I’m 24 and I do know it all :)

  593. GreenBeret7 June 29th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    There’s something you won’t see every day. Denard span just hit his 3rd triple of the game in Minnesota. It’s happened a few times, but, Ernie Banks is the last one that I know who did it. The record befor 1900 is 4.

  594. NYYanksFan June 29th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    “Mets tie the game in Florida”

    Puerto Rico

  595. YankeeRay June 29th, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    mick June 29th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
    There is no guarantee Lee will stay with us if we got him.
    I doubt we give up Romine, catchers are hard to find.
    We should win w/o Lee this year.
    He?s going FA no matter what.

    ———-
    Mick, you don’t trade for him without a signing window. We have enough catchers that we can afford to give up Romine. We may make the playoffs without Lee and maybe win the whole thing but who do you want starting Javy/Hughes or Lee in the playoffs.
    He’s not going FA if we get our hands on him.
    Next rebuttal?

  596. mick June 29th, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Next rebuttal?
    ============
    If you say so sport.

  597. Patrick June 29th, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Cliff Lee isn’t going to sign an extension with anyone. Him and his agent know that teams will get in a bidding war to sign him.

  598. NYYanksFan June 29th, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    YankeesInk Hughes he felt better and stronger today than in other recent starts. Says it wasn’t layoff. Says his cutter was’t working.

    Hughes said he believes in innings limits and sounded convinced. Joba never quite did.

  599. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    lol Mets

  600. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Girardi just said that Phil not being as sharp his past few starts went into the timing of the decision to skip him.

  601. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    I really don’t want to give up Romine. He could turn out to be a rock of a catcher who excels in all aspects of the game, receiving, game-calling, controlling the running game, blocking the plate, hitting for average, patience, pop, clutch hitting, intangibles like leadership and competitive drive.

  602. Frank June 29th, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    Matt June 29th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
    Forget the All-Star game, Cervelli and Hughes need to go down to AAA and figure things out.
    When you give up 7 runs to the pathetic Seattle Mariners there are serious issues.

    It all makes sense now. No wonder you are the blog Einstein.

  603. G. Love June 29th, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    Not to sound too down on Hughes, but I hope this start disqualifies him from Girardi’s thinking for the all star game.

    I don’t think he should go. I don’t think pitchers should be rewarded for 1/2 seasons.

    I also don’t want him wasting innings in an exhibition game.

    What Lee did tonight was an all star performance. Girardi should pick Mo, CC and Andy to go the game and let Phil rest and regroup for the 2nd half because we need him.

  604. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Mick, yes – but that was one instance…….and he did skip out on the media that one game. In general, Phil is not like that.

    Phil took a lot of good things out of the pen, but one thing he may be forgetting is that he does not throw as hard as a starter as he did as a reliever. No one does, but Phil was throwing 95-96 and he could blow hitters away. As a starter, he can’t do that. Sure, he’s got swing and miss stuff (or he did), but he doesn’t have fantastic velocity. There was an article about AJ/Pavano on Fox sports where a scout was quoted as saying that at 95 MPH, hitters get uncomfortable to the point where they have to cheat. Phil is not a flame thrower, he doesn’t often hit 95 – so he can not rely on this FB that much. He has to be more of a pitcher.

  605. Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Tonight Hughes was stuck in AJ Burnett land. His fastball wasn’t good and his command was off and he had no where else to go and just continued to use 1 pitch that wasn’t working. Anyone in the majors can hit a fastball. The Mariners are pathetic they aren’t hitting good off pitches. I hope Eiland works with him on his curve.

  606. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    GLove, it will DQ him, but I disagree about ASG – I do view them as rewards for half years – not careers. Anyway, Phil isn’t pitching well enough to go so it’s moot now.

    Patrick, I’m not down on Phil, but he has a lot of things to work on before he lives up to his potential. I’ve called Joba out for being stubborn and now I have to call Phil out.

    I don’t know what to make of Joe’s comments; if he had continued to pitch very well, he wasn’t going to skip him? I don’t like that – Phil should be skipped regardless of how well he’s pitching. If not, then what is the point of innings limits?

    So is Phil chalking his start simply

  607. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    up to the fact he had no cutter?

  608. pistol pete June 29th, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    The Yankees are going to screw up Hughes just like they did Joba, for Christ’s sake just let him pitch and stop jerking him around, it makes no sense.

  609. Elton June 29th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    Agree 100%, G. Love.

    Hope they take someone else

  610. G. Love June 29th, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    He’ll get his curve straightened out. He has to. He needs to be able to call on the breaking pitch in his arsenal at any time.

    Again, I’m not down on him. He stunk tonight against a poor hitting team, but he’s been clutch so far this season.

    I just think all the talk of anointing him an all star should be tabled for now.

    If he stood toe for toe with Lee tonight, it’d be a different story.

    If the playoffs started tomorrow CC starts game one and Andy game two. That’s why those are my all star picks from this staff.

  611. Electro Shock June 29th, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    This starts no doubt disqualifies him

    If CC pitches well in his final couple of starts, I wouldn’t be shocked if Joe took him instead. He will have a lower ERA than Hughes and at least as many, if not more wins. So based on numbers, he would deserve it more. Again, assuming CC doesn’t get rocked in his remaining starts

  612. Allan June 29th, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    G Love – Joe likes having Andy in Game 3 on the road and likes splitting up the lefties.

    Andy at 1-1 sounds much better than Hughes/Burnett/Vazquez at 1-1. Even though Andy is a better pitcher by far, it is better to have him in the more pivotal game.

  613. Yanks 192 June 29th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    It is going to irk me to no end that Buchholz, Pelfrey, Niemenn, Price, etc. will go to the ASG and Hughes might not.

    Ugghh… really wish Joe took him out in the 6th inning of that Houston game and took him out earlier tonight so his numbers would look better….

  614. Bret the Hitman June 29th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    I remember reading reports that Hughes had a major-league ready slider in high school. Where is that pitch? If it was so good, it’s nonsense that he’s a one pitch pitcher right now.

  615. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    GLove, oh I agree…but if Phil were pitching well, he’d deserve to go; that’s how you judge players: on their 1/2 years.
    It would only have been 1 inning, but it’s moot – he’s just not pitching well enough and otheors are.

  616. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    GLove, he won’t get that curve back if he doesn’t throw it. Maybe I’m misinterpreting his comment, but he thinks the only reason he didn’t pitch well was the lack of a cutter? That sounds to me like he’s placing way too much importance on that pitch – stubborn.

  617. G. Love June 29th, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Betsy,

    I didn’t hear the comments. I was at the game tonight.

    That said, his curve needs to be in his arsenal. I can’t believe Girardi and Eiland are telling him to be a 2 pitch (fastball, cutter) pitcher. I just can’t believe that.

    As for the All Star Game, I’m very much of the mindset that you look at the 1st half of this year and the 2nd half of last year and reward the most consistent performers.

    I know it’s not done that way, but I feel 1st half all stars are a joke. They should call it the 1st half all star game in that respect.

  618. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    Let’s get to the playoffs first, but Phil at this point would not be guaranteed a slot…..and remember he struggled mightily in the post-season last year. There’s a long way to go.

  619. Phil Hughes June 29th, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ8k6fVe25k

  620. Keith--FL June 29th, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    I know this thought might get killed but I wouldn’t waste anytime while we have Mariano at the top of his game and Jeter, Posada, and Pettite playing good…I would trade Montero and Nunez for Cliff Lee and see if he’ll sign an extension with the Yankees……( if the Mariners want more than that for 2 plus months of Cliff Lee then forget it, let them see if they can do better elsewhere, I doubt it)then trade Javy to an NL team for some bench help and maybe a reliever…..I just think Lee would make us extremely tough to beat in the playoffs this year and who knows what can happen next year, etc….and if Burnett doesn’t recover this year then Hughes could be the #4 for the playoffs and if he does, Hughes goes to the bullpen for the playoffs…..

  621. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    GLove, ooh sorry you had to pick this game – what a dud (and Lee’s a stud, lol) – to go to.

    Of course the curve does have to be a major part of his arsenal – and of course I don’t think Dave and Joe are telling Phil to scrap it. Therefore,this is on Phil. He has to remember he’s not in AAA anymore – he can not dominate hitters with one pitch; even bad ML hitters are the best in the world.

  622. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    The only starters guaranteed a playoff spot in the rotation are CC and Andy. No one else.

  623. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    from RAB

    Gary Sanchez, DH: 1 for 2, 2 R, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 3 BB – one of the walks was intentional, so he’s obviously feared … dude’s got three homers in seven games, it took Montero 33 GCL games to hit three homers back in 2007

  624. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Some interesting news on the farm system today courtesy of RAB.

    “Keith Law posted his mid-season list of the top 25 prospects in the game today… Austin Romine was listed as one of three players that just missed the cut.”

    Romine was not even in Law’s top 100 coming into this season. He has seriously boosted his stock with the season he is having.

    “Gary Sanchez, DH: 1 for 2, 2 R, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 3 BB – one of the walks was intentional, so he’s obviously feared … dude’s got three homers in seven games, it took Montero 33 GCL games to hit three homers back in 2007″

  625. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    Beat cha LGY!

  626. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Carl, lol.

  627. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    “Cliff Lee isn’t going to sign an extension with anyone. Him and his agent know that teams will get in a bidding war to sign him.”

    I think he’d sign for $150m. I think it’s too much though.

  628. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    The change up thing really disappoints me. It’s fine if it’s just his 4th pitch, but he should have used it more at the beginning of the season, when he was so excited about it he said that he thought it was better than his curve. If he had used it then, he’d be much better off. That also tells you what he thought about his curve – not much.

  629. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    Great minds think alike :lol:

  630. Billy D June 29th, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    “one of the walks was intentional, so he’s obviously feared”

    So am I to believe the Yankees feared Franklin Gutierrez?

  631. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    LGY

    :)

    lol Billy D

  632. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    Also, apparently Sanchez’s HR was to CF. Impressive.

    Billy D,

    The feared thing is a joke.

  633. blake June 29th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Its been said several times already but Hughes has had very little need to change his approach until recently, he was doing quite well throwing predominantly fastballs and cutters.

    Now that the league is starting to adjust and is looking for those pitches, he will likely have to make an adjustment himself and use his curve and changeup more frequently. He’s still learning how to do that and when to throw what pitch.

    That said, the primary reason he wasn’t successful tonight wasn’t because of secondary pitches…it was because he couldn’t locate his fastball or cutter and was in the middle of the plate too often when he was ahead in counts. A bad night happens to all pitchers, now we’ll see if he learns from it in his next outing. Occasional struggles from a 23/24 year old guy in his first full season starting aren’t unexpected…he hasn’t thrown this many innings in quite some time. He’ll be fine.

  634. LGY June 29th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Oy. I just realized Billy D was joking as well. Watching Hughes’ stinker has thrown me off my game :)

  635. Victor June 29th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Meanwhile, on the Boston blogs they’re speculating about going after Lee. #%}}}%^#€£>!!!

  636. Banjo June 29th, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    JJ Putz picks up the save tonight for the W. Sox

    They have 3 legit guys who can close – Putz, Jenks, and Thorton

  637. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    I don’t see the Sox going after Lee; they have Lester, Lackey, CBuchh, Beckett (who will be back eventually) and Dice-K/Wakefield.

    Blake, that’s true, but the adjusting started happening with the Detroit start; wouldn’t you think Phil would have started realizing that he couldn’t get by with his FB? Did he really think he was going to be able to get by with one pitch? He’s been living on borrowed time – this game was a culmination of his recent starts.

  638. Billy D June 29th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    “They have 3 legit guys who can close – Putz, Jenks, and Thorton”

    To the chagrin of many, the White Sox are back in it. 3 weeks ago, Putz was looking quite available. As we sit here on June 29? Not so much.

  639. Victor June 29th, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    >I don’t see the Sox going after Lee; they have Lester, Lackey, CBuchh, Beckett (who will be back eventually) and Dice-K/Wakefield.

    Betsy, I hope you’re right. It’s sad that I feel protective over Lee. It’s not like he’s ours…. Yet!

  640. blake June 29th, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Betsy,

    As I said, his performance tonight was more about not locating anything than it was about his breaking pitches…I think he will make adjustments but if he’s throwing pitches he’s not comfortable with in counts that he’s not comfortable throwing them in then you really can’t expect the results to be any better. He threw a couple of really good changeups tonight, maybe that will carry over and he will build confidence in it. Its easy to say, well he just needs to throw more curveballs and changeups….its tougher to actually implement that into a game plan unless your comfortable doing it. Maybe he’s not there yet.

    One thing I really do think he needs to work on is his location when he is way ahead in counts. He’s just getting way too much of the plate in those counts. I like the fact that he’s being aggressive and going after guys but in reality he’s just taking the advantage that he worked to get and throwing it out the window.

  641. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    Hughes throws the same way whether he has pinpoint command and late life on his FB or not. He needs to adjust his approach depending on the caliber of his stuff.

  642. Nick in SF June 29th, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Where is Doris from Rego Park? :evil:

  643. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    Blake, fair enough….

    I agree with your last point; I remember CB earlier this season saying he liked that Phil didn’t try to get hitters to chase, that he went right after them, but that only works if he’s making good pitches…………his location has been off for awhile.

    Yep, lol – I knew it; blogs are aflame with fans PO’d at the Yankees for ruining Phil and now they don’t want him skipped again.

  644. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    Rich, what do you mean? You mean that his approach is the same whether he has his best stuff or not?

  645. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    Betsy

    That’s my perception. It’s part of the learning process.

  646. blake June 29th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    “Hughes throws the same way whether he has pinpoint command and late life on his FB or not. He needs to adjust his approach depending on the caliber of his stuff.”

    Thats a tall order for a kid his age….he’s still learning how to pitch when he has his best stuff, much less when he doesn’t. Andy can do that but he has many many years more experience and knows the hitters and himself much better….We must all remember that Phil is still learning how this whole thing works.

  647. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 11:29 pm

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....#038;_mp=1

    Montero home run. He just stuck the bat head out and he hit it over the wall.

    Sorry for the big link.

  648. pat June 29th, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    Manny hurting his hamstring got Kemp sprung from the doghouse tonight.

  649. blake June 29th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    “I agree with your last point; I remember CB earlier this season saying he liked that Phil didn’t try to get hitters to chase, that he went right after them”

    yea, there is a difference in a “waste pitch” (which I hate) and trying to get the hitter to hit the pitch you want them to in a 0-2, 1-2 count. You can go after guys in those counts, you just want to throw something that they have very little chance to do anything with. Phil is missing in the zone a lot in those counts of late..

  650. blake June 29th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    Montero seems to have awoken from his slumber.

  651. Rich in NJ June 29th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Kemp is a lucky man. Just sayin’.

  652. blake June 29th, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Gnight Yankee fans…still 2 up in the loss column. Life is good.

  653. Michelle June 29th, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    Kemp is lucky that Manny got hurt. Everyone knows that Torre’s doghouse is not a good place to be.

  654. Cashman needs to go June 29th, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    Now you’re starting to see cashman’s screw ups much more – no bench, no dh (how in the world did anyone think nick johnson was going to make it through a whole year!?!?), guys like huffman starting against cliff lee really is criminal – not saying he’s bad (although he is) but how in the world do you put a rookie who has had all of 7 at bats in the majors against cliff lee and expect him to produce, no bullpen except rivera, i can go on and on – and please don’t bring up huffmans a/b against broxton he was running on fumes when huffman was at bat sunday night – even stevie wonder could get a hit at that point (but probably not teixeira)

    if the starting pitching doesn’t hold up this team is in trouble – and if you need an example just look at tonights game. 7 runs to the worst offensive team in the AL – you won’t win with just CC and pettite pitching the way they should

    enough with the bleeping prospect hugging – trade romine and whomever else you have to for lee and league and then go get a legitimate DH and throw nick johnson in the trash – the hinske’s and hairstons of the world won’t make a difference this year

    cashman doesn’t want to pay twice for lee? well he’ll be paying through the nose to keep a geriatric jeter at ss for the next 5 years – so what is worse? If montero and now gary sanchez are absolute studs where in bleeping hell will romine play – they could only play ONE catcher at a time – they have 15 catchers in the minors – romine isn’t going to turn into johnny bench anytime soon – but cliff lee has and will continue to turn into cy young – cliff lee is your 3rd legitimate pitcher come playoff time – if anyone thinks you can count on aj, javy and even hughes in the playoffs you are sadly mistaken..

    cashman grow some balls and do something finally that shows you have some knowledge of how to be a gm that doesn’t include having to spend billions of dollars. you f’d up with halladay last year don’t do it again with lee .

  655. BIG AL June 29th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    Phil will be fine. With 10 days between starts both his location & velocity were off a bit. What do people expect from this young man, Cy Young the second. On a good note Swisher and Granderson looked good, at bat. I’d rather be in first, than trying to catch up. There will be some changes between now and the trade deadline, nothing great.

  656. S.A.--Serenity Now June 29th, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    From BloggingBombers:

    –Hughes: “People are going to jump on (the rules), but the fact of the matter is that I just didn’t pitch well. It was just a bad night.”

    –Hughes: “Rest isn’t always the horrible thing it’s made out to be. Your body needs a couple days sometimes. I just didn’t pitch well.”

    –Think it was the rules? In his past four starts, Hughes is 3-1 but has a 6.29 ERA. Only tonight can be blamed on the rules.

    –Girardi: “If he was 6-5 or 5-5 and we skip him, it probably doesn’t draw as much attention. But when you’re 10-1 … that’s gonna draw some”

  657. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5341606

    On Tuesday, the cutter was the problem pitch, Hughes said, while his fastball didn’t have its normal explosion, which was odd because he said he felt “stronger” with the extra rest. “He couldn’t get the big out when he needed it,” Girardi said.

    ***************

    I wonder what accounts for the relatively weak FB when he felt stronger…….

  658. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) June 29th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    I’m not surprised that Phil isnt making excuses.

    He’s not pitched well recently; in other games, it was more like one bad inning after struggling for a few innings. Tonight, he was just terrible all night.

  659. BIG AL June 29th, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    Cashman needs to go June 29th, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    Sure glad you’re not running anything, other than your mouth. Why is it when the Yankees lose a game, the sky is falling for you nuts.

  660. Carl June 29th, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    3 bad starts in a row from our starters. Javy needs to step up son.

  661. BIG AL June 29th, 2010 at 11:59 pm

    Phil will learn in time, when you don’t have your best stuff, you have to be a pitcher, not a thrower. Many an older pitcher, that lost velocity with age, became better pitchers, learning how to pitch takes time and experience. Phil is very young, and will have growing pains. Support your team, win or lose, and don’t get so angry that you want to throw the baby out with the water.

  662. BIG AL June 30th, 2010 at 12:01 am

    Good night guys and gals. The sun will come up tomorrow.


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