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Montero, Nunez and Albaladejo named Triple-A all-stars

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 30, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Three Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees have been named to the International League all-star team.

SS Eduardo Nunez (who leads the league in hits) and RHP Jonathan Albaladejo (who leads in saves) were each elected to the team. C Jesus Montero was selected by the league to play off the bench.

Former Yankees Cody Ransom and Mike Dunn were also chosen.

PLAYERS ELECTED (starters)
C TYLER FLOWERS CHARLOTTE
1B ANDY TRACY LEHIGH VALLEY
2B CHRIS VALAIKA LOUISVILLE
SS EDUARDO NUNEZ SCRANTON/WB
3B CODY RANSOM LEHIGH VALLEY
OF MICHAEL BRANTLEY COLUMBUS
OF JEFF FRAZIER TOLEDO
OF DUSTIN MARTIN ROCHESTER
DH DAN JOHNSON DURHAM
SP DAN HUDSON CHARLOTTE
SP CARLOS TORRES CHARLOTTE
RP JONATHAN ALBALADEJO SCRANTON/WB
RP SCOTT MATHIESON LEHIGH VALLEY

PLAYERS SELECTED (reserves)
C ERIK KRATZ INDIANAPOLIS
C JESUS MONTERO SCRANTON/WB
INF BARBARO CANIZARES GWINNETT
INF JOE DILLON DURHAM
INF ELLIOT JOHNSON DURHAM
INF CHASE LAMBIN SYRACUSE
OF BUBBA BELL PAWTUCKET
OF JOSE CONSTANZA COLUMBUS
OF JEFF SALAZAR NORFOLK
P NATE BUMP LEHIGH VALLEY
P MICHAEL DUNN GWINNETT
P ROBERT MANUEL PAWTUCKET
P PAT MISCH BUFFALO
P JAY SBORZ TOLEDO
P ANTHONY SLAMA ROCHESTER
P CHRIS TILLMAN NORFOLK
P TRAVIS WOOD LOUISVILLE

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110 Responses to “Montero, Nunez and Albaladejo named Triple-A all-stars”

  1. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    AA All stars for Trenton are Romine, Laird and David Phelps.

  2. SMK June 30th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    from ESPN:

    “The New York Yankees have several players under control on the Cape, including St. Johns closer Dan Burawa, who showed an electric fastball on Tuesday night. He sat 93-96, dipping below that just twice in his one inning of work, with a fringy upper-70s curveball that he flips in as a change-of-pace pitch. It’s a crazy long arm action with some head violence, but it’s a premium arm that would play pretty quickly in a late-game, one-inning role. His main issue is control, partly from the delivery, and partly because his fastball has so much downward life that it often finishes below the zone. “

  3. Tom in N.J. June 30th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Rivera in the NYT Magazine:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07.....f=magazine

  4. Donnie - Will Meet Manny Under the O'Neill Banner June 30th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    I like Montero and all…but…really? Is the crop of catchers in AAA this year just really bad? I’d hardly call .251 BA/.315 OBP/.414 SLG, with only 6 HR and 31 RBI an “All-Star caliber performance”. It’s just fine for a kid’s first year at AAA, and adjusting and such…but all-star?

  5. RS June 30th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    “I like Montero and all…but…really? Is the crop of catchers in AAA this year just really bad?”

    It probably is, as I’m sure any AAA catcher with a scrap of talent (that’s not 20 years old) will probably be in the big leagues already, at least as a backup.

  6. Jerkface June 30th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Santana got called up. And catcher is a crap position in the majors/minors.

  7. Rich in NJ June 30th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Maybe they can get rid Albaladejo off this? Probably not.

  8. Donnie - Will Meet Manny Under the O'Neill Banner June 30th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Fair point, RS. I’d say that’s probably pretty close to accurate, now that I think about it. It’s just kind of staggering to see those numbers associated with an all-star.

  9. Shame Spencer June 30th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Jonathan Albaladejo: Thoughts?

  10. Jerkface June 30th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Why get rid of Albie? If he is really going as more of a 4seam slider pitcher, maybe he is worth another shot.

  11. G. Love June 30th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    (repost)

    I’m less worried about giving a few years to Jeter right now than I am about keeping Arod at 3b long term.

    He is not moving well at all at 3b. I think it’s in the Yankees best interest to work on finding a 3b that can also DH and keep Arod off the field as much as possible.

    How far away is the Laird kid in the minors? Or this Adams kid people are hyping up…can he play 3b?

    Seriously, Arod does not even have a first step to get a ball to his left right now.

    He is all about defensive positioning and hoping the ball is hit to him.

    Out of Jeter, Jorge and Arod, Arod (at this moment) is looking most like a DH candidate to me.

    I really hope the hip heals up and gets better. Hopefully the fact that his power returned means his mobility will come back as well.

  12. Betsy June 30th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Aaron, that’s a bit of a negative post, but those numbers are dreadful……..

  13. m June 30th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    If you’re a journeyman, don’t you just hate this “honor”? They’d rather be the last guy on the bench in the majors than being recognized for distinction at AAA.

  14. raymagnetic June 30th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Jerkface,

    I think you’re going to be disappointed at Jeter’s next contract.

  15. mattseattleusa June 30th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Looks like the Triple A All Star game will be broadcast on the MLBN

  16. Jerkface June 30th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    I think you?re going to be disappointed at Jeter?s next contract.

    I’m already bracing for impact!

  17. raymagnetic June 30th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Jerkface I’ll be here to talk you off the ledge you’re likely going to be on. :)

  18. Jerkface June 30th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Year to year is best for the team, but I don’t think Jeters contract will be particularly crippling because it can’t possibly exceed 4 years. That would still suck, but its not A-rods contract, or Tex’s, or CC’s.

    Hopefully 3 years or less. Maybe 2 with an option (come on, Cash!)

  19. raymagnetic June 30th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    “AJ has been garbage the last month, as has Hughes”

    Hughes hasnt been garbage the last month.

    He’s had 2 bad starts. The other 3 starts were quality starts. With too of them being very good starts.

    In other words he’s been up and down. Hardly garbage Aaron :x

  20. raymagnetic June 30th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    two of them were very good.

  21. Bret the Hitman June 30th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    SJ44 June 30th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Seattle spits on the offer of Baneulos, Nunez and Laird for Lee. They can do better from the Twins.

    That’s not going to get the guy.
    ******

    Let’s see the Twins to offer up more than Manny Banuelos (sp) + Eduardo Nunez (ss) + Brandon Laird (3b) for a rental.

    I’d really like to see it.

  22. Pete Abe's Red Bull June 30th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Jesus Montero’s brother also lights up the minor league. Check out the stats: http://tinyurl.com/298o5vt . Comon, give the Messiah a break though, in all seriousness. He’s at least been really coming along the past few weeks, from when I’ve seen him.

  23. Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Aaron, that?s a bit of a negative post, but those numbers are dreadful??..

    I know. But it’ll be okay. Without an inning here, or a bad start there, those numbers look completely different.

  24. RS June 30th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Hughes’ June was disappointing only because we saw him dominate in April. If he had his month of June to open up the season I think we would all accept it as the normal ups and downs of a young pitcher. His ERA is still about a run lower than you would reasonably expect it to be. David Price, for instance, had a 4.40 ERA in his rookie year last year.

  25. m June 30th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    At this point, you have to be happy with montero’s adjustment to AAA. And I hate to use this card, but in this case it truly applies. He’s quite young and more raw than finished.

  26. Nick in SF June 30th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    We should probably trade Nunez and any other organizational shortstops to reassure Jeter that he’s still an important part of the longterm plans.

  27. Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Ray.
    Think what you want to think, but at the end of June, it appears that with less innings with which to hurt himself with, Hughes has continued to grow numbers at a rapid pace. I see what you’re saying, and maybe I’m at fault a little here, but the expectations on Huges have always been out of whack, and recently he’s falling short on them, and while I’m not down on him, the numbers are what they are.

  28. SJ44 June 30th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    When people have no idea how to read statistics, they come with stuff like, “Hughes has been garbage for a month”.

    If you are going to look at 5 starts, look at ALL parts of them.

    If you can’t, then you have no idea how to use statistics properly.

    The guy had ONE bad inning against the Astros, after he sat for almost 30 minutes, which threw his entire start out of whack.

    You can’t just look at his overall line without taking that into consideration.

    Especially for a kid who is learning how to be a starting pitcher at this level.

    He pitched solidly against the Orioles twice and against Mets.

    He struggled last night after not pitching for 10 days.

    In reality, he had one bad inning against the Astros and one bad game against the Mariners.

    The rest of his work in the month was fine. In fact, if you really want to be technical, it was WELL above average for any fifth starter in baseball.

  29. m June 30th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    You know, I’m not liking what I’m hearing in the news. Wade, LBJ, and Bosh supposedly met in Miami. But Wade’s camp said he was in Chicago. But several sources have confirmed the meeting. And then Bosh said he doesn’t see the 3 of them in Miami. Called it ‘pie in the sky’ talk.

    Sounds like all 3 are headed to Miami. lol.

    Still can’t see it. But you never know.

  30. Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    4.40 ERA in his rookie year last year.

    This is fallacy. This isn’t Hughes’ rookie year. He’s made just as many starts (nearly) as Buchholz in the big leagues, and many more than Price. His IP numbers are also equivalent due to the bullpen issues.
    He’s faced as many hitters, if not more, in the big leagues as any young pitcher of his caliber in baseball.

  31. raymagnetic June 30th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Aaron,

    In June Hughes made 5 starts.

    Baltimore – 7 innings 6 hits 1 runs
    Baltimore – 6 innings 9 hits 3 runs
    Houston – 5.2 innings 7 hits 5 runs
    Mets – 7 innings, 5 hits 3 runs

    And yesterday’s start.

    How is that pitching like garbage for a month?

    Oh that’s right it isn’t pitching garbage for a month. It’s having 2 bad starts out of 5.

    Those are the NUMBERS which you claim to go by.

  32. SJ44 June 30th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    This is his first full year starting in the majors. His bullpen work last year is meaningless.

    Two years ago, he got hurt.

    This is entirely new territory for him.

    If it wasn’t, there wouldn’t be innings limits.

    If you can’t understand that he is still in a learning stage at this point in his career, there is nothing left to talk about.

    You act as if he is a finished product. He is a FAR from one.

    That’s why quoting trend lines is irrelevent with him because we have no comparable history of performance from him at this level to draw any realistic conclusions.

  33. champ809 June 30th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Pendleton is also a AA all star this season GB

  34. MaineYankee June 30th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Aaron

    He may be falling short of your expectations but I doubt the Yankees feel the same way.

  35. Pat M. June 30th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    m, rumor here in LA is that the Lakers offered Odom & Bynam to Toronto for a trade and sign for Bosh >>>>..

  36. Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    When people have no idea how to read statistics, they come with stuff like, ?Hughes has been garbage for a month?.

    Hahaha. Statistics are a tool by which we measure certain things. Trend lines and graphs are used to depict that data onto hard copy, understandable, documents.

    Removing an inning here or a start there is doctoring those documents. A month is a good sample size for any player when analyzing a trend in baseball. When used as a function of the overall description or analyzation of where a player stands currently. Should we remove everything negative, or should that be used as a factor in understanding how a players numbers are trending?
    I do however agree with you in regards to the other starts. They were fine. Where we don’t agree is that you can’t just remove things that have happened to him, against two of the worst teams in baseball no less, because it fits our arguments better.
    If that’s the case, like Yesterday, lets remove Javy’s April and May.
    This is the equivalent of looking at when A-Rod hits home runs, on a game by game basis, as a function of his .260 average.
    See, I look at the overall breakdown of months, and realize that A-Rod is trending up, therefor I know he’s coming around. I don’t look at individual games and try to come up with a valid argument for his slow start in comparison to his career averages.
    It’s called small sample size….maybe you’ve heard of it.
    People who don’t understand statisitics indeed.

  37. Nick in SF June 30th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    I’ve been out of the loop for a few days, LeBron and Wade and Bosh were sighted at the G20 Summit?

    Cool.

  38. SJ44 June 30th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    The rumor of the day in Miami is that Bosh to the Heat is done.

    It will be a sign and trade with Anthony, Beasley and Chalmers going back to Toronto.

    Supposedly, Bosh informed the Raptors he wants to play in Miami.

    Who knows if this is true but, its coming from a columnist I know in Miami. Apparantely, he got it from either Arn Tellem or David Falk.

    If that’s true, then the Heat are able to afford three max players.

    Meaning, LeBron will join Wade and Bosh in Miami.

    Going to be an interesting few days to separate fact from fiction with all this stuff.

  39. m June 30th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Ooh. Tough one. Bynum has been injured every season, but he wouldn’t be crying tears if he left. He’s got 2 chips. Bosh would be on a team that’s favored again. The question is, will Kris Kardasian let the trade go through?

    A lot of people paid to say such things say that Bosh/Wade/Lebronze wouldn’t even be favored.

    So in that scenario, Gasol back to center?

  40. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Looks like Halladay is turning into garbage. 4 runs and 12 hits with no outs in the 8th inning.

  41. vblade June 30th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Hughes being “garbage” in June is probably one of the least informed posts I’ve read in awhile from a non-troll.

  42. rj June 30th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    SJ44 June 30th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    When people have no idea how to read statistics, they come with stuff like, “Hughes has been garbage for a month”.

    If you are going to look at 5 starts, look at ALL parts of them.

    If you can’t, then you have no idea how to use statistics properly.

    The guy had ONE bad inning against the Astros, after he sat for almost 30 minutes, which threw his entire start out of whack.

    You can’t just look at his overall line without taking that into consideration.

    Especially for a kid who is learning how to be a starting pitcher at this level.

    He pitched solidly against the Orioles twice and against Mets.

    He struggled last night after not pitching for 10 days.

    In reality, he had one bad inning against the Astros and one bad game against the Mariners.

    The rest of his work in the month was fine. In fact, if you really want to be technical, it was WELL above average for any fifth starter in baseball

    =========================================================

    This is a case of people just looking at the stats instead of looking at the stats and watching the game.

  43. Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    SJ – list in order, Phils best months from April till now.
    Please, just do it. List for me which way his numbers are going.

    Stop trying to install some psychoanalytical, grandfather knowledge of the blog, BS wisdom on me about how to look at the numbers in front of me.

    You’re right, he hasn’t been garbage. Maybe that’s harsh. How is: Phil has been incosistent, but based on the fact that he’s a rookie in your opinion, that is to be expected. Trends be damned.

  44. MaineYankee June 30th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    SJ44

    I could see that deal in Miami.

    Riley has more pull than some of the other teams with cap space.

    Will Riley be able to resist being the coach for a team like that? :lol:

  45. SJ44 June 30th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Its not doctoring the analysis. Its factoring in everything when MAKING the analysis because all of it plays a factor.

    Circumstances change from start to start (sitting through a long inning, rain delays, bad HP umpire, just have nothing that day, etc) and have to be factored in when doing the analysis.

    Its not just raw data.

    You said Hughes has been “garbage” for a month.

    Clearly, the numbers, even the one you state, show otherwise.

    So, if you are basing your “Hughes is garbage” analysis on the numbers you cite, clearly you have no idea how to utilize those numbers.

    A baseball season is six-seven months long. To take one month of those numbers, 14-16% of a season, and base ANY conclusions from them, is incorrectly using statistical analysis.

    To try and do it with a guy who has no long or short term history in the position he is in (Hughes) at the present time, is not having a clue how to use the numbers.

    Which you are showing is the case by your “Hughes has been garbage for a month” analysis.

  46. SMK June 30th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    That interactive feature in the NYT piece on Mariano is one of the coolest things I have ever seen.

    It really does give the sense of what it must feel like to be in the box against him. I’ve never seen it broken down like that — just uber-cool.

  47. m June 30th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Without looking at stats, Hughes has no problem getting ahead of hitters. But he’s having a harder time putting them away.

    That’s the only thing that matters to me.

    The Yankees are probably more interested in developing Hughes than wringing their hands over poor starts against weak offenses. They’re not looking in their big binder, they’re looking at what’s happening with their own eyes.

  48. UnKnown June 30th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Damon just looked ridiculous on two plays in a row in Left Field during the Tiger vs Twins game. Wow he is a really bad defensive player.

  49. rj June 30th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    “You’re right, he hasn’t been garbage. Maybe that’s harsh. How is: Phil has been incosistent, but based on the fact that he’s a rookie in your opinion, that is to be expected. Trends be damned”

    People are quibbling with your characterization of Hughes’ June as “garbage”. So thanks for backing off of that. If you had said “inconsistent” from the get go, there’d be a lot less to argue.

  50. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    I would think that Hughes is going through a bit of a “tired arm” period. Hardly an uncommon situation.

  51. SJ44 June 30th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Its not just listing his months of work.

    He’s been “inconsistent”.

    Guess what? That’s to be expected from a kid!

    That’s how it goes with young pitchers.

    Phil Hughes has started 21 games in the major leagues the last two years.

    Why don’t you go back and look at the numbers of Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Johan Santana, Josh Beckett, Zack Greinke, and Jon Lester after 21 starts.

    You will find one thing in common……inconsistency.

    That’s how it is with young pitchers.

    Which is why trying to read trend lines with such little data makes zero sense.

    People who take small sample sizes and try to make more out of it is why most people have ZERO idea how to correctly apply statistical analysis.

    This is all new territory for Phil Hughes.

    Meaning, put the numbers away until after the season when you have a full season of work in the books. It will give you a better idea of his strengths and weaknesses.

  52. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Actually, I meant to use the baseball phrase “dead arm” period. Less command, less movement. Not as much life on the pitches.

  53. Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    baseball season is six-seven months long. To take one month of those numbers, 14-16% of a season, and base ANY conclusions from them, is incorrectly using statistical analysis.

    A. I have already, twice now, retracted the “garbage” statement.

    B. I didn’t look at any month throughout this entire conversation and use it as the exclusive end all to the arguement. I did however, use a month as a funtion of the overall stats to date, which to date, create a trendline for him. Even if it’s small, it’s a trendline nonetheless.

    Maybe a pie chart or perhaps a simple two-line graph chart will help you understand this?

  54. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    It just seemed that although his pitches had the normal speed that extra little hop on the fastball at the end was missing.

  55. Jerkface June 30th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Hughes didn’t get roughed up at all early this season. The last 2 months he has been roughed up. Overall his games generally keep the team in it.

  56. Bronx Born June 30th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    SMK – you are right that is incredible

    In case anyone missed the link:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07.....f=magazine

  57. Boom King June 30th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Hughes=Domingo Jean
    Montero=Kevin Maaaaaaaaaaas

    Trade both for Lee and be happy.

  58. Jerkface June 30th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Who is the boom king? You are not the boom king.

  59. DB June 30th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    RAB put out this article on how Hughes had been pitching over his head at the start of the season.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....cky-27908/

    Now, he might have been good and lucky and pitching lights out in the beginning of the season, but he is hardly garbage now. I’d wage he has just been slightly bad and unlucky in a couple of starts. Slightly bad because of the rust. Unlucky because of the defensive lapse last night.

    He’ll be fine, AJ is the one I’m most worried about.

  60. Boom King June 30th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Hazel Mae is so hot. She’s so hot she’s making me sexist.

  61. Pat M. June 30th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    SJ, If anyone can pull that off it & handle all the egos would be Riley ……That would be a super team…However they’ll need a boatload of role and support players………GB, good call on the dead arm syndrome, no late zip or movement……..He’s in uncharted waters just as SJ pointed out……..He’ll be fine……..He’s way ahead of schedule in my book

  62. rj June 30th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
    I would think that Hughes is going through a bit of a “tired arm” period. Hardly an uncommon situation

    ========================================================

    I challenge you to provide me with statistical evidence that there is such a thing as the so-called “dead arm period”.

    :)

  63. pat June 30th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Arodys Vizcaino was placed on the DL with an elbow strain.

  64. MaineYankee June 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    rj

    You better be careful or he’ll take you to the alligator farm. :lol:

  65. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Pat M., it’s always seemed odd that pitchers can pitch throug that period and them suddenly, the arm comes back to life as suddenly as it died. The experienced and great pitchers always figure out ways to work through it and keep the games within reach. as you and others have said….uncharted territory and it’s something that he’ll learn..just as sabathia and Pettitte learned to do.

  66. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Starting with the May 17th game against Boston through today, Phil Hughes has an ERA of 5.33, compared to a 1.38 ERA from the beginning of the season through his start prior to the May 17th game with Boston.

    In the 8 starts from that Boston game, he has had one lousy start (yesterday) and three below average starts (the games on May 17th vs Boston, May 22nd vs the Mets and June 13th against Houston. To be fair, he pitched two very good games in that time period as well (May 28th vs Cleveland, and June 2nd vs Baltimore).

    I don’t know what to make of that except I think it is fair to say Phil started great and is now going through a rough patch. I think the jury is out on what kind of year he will have when all is said and done.

  67. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Hughes seems to be about a year ahead of Greinke’s maturity rate.

  68. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    MaineYankee June 30th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
    rj

    You better be careful or he’ll take you to the alligator farm.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    These gators prefer that imported northern meat.

  69. RayVT June 30th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    LOL! Aaron, as a person who gets paid for doing statistics I’d like to inform you of a thing called outliers. LOL! Perhaps you have heard of this! It is used when analyzing statistical data to see if what is being evaluated is normal or not. Also, there are factors (often designated as “K”) that are used to multiply the results by a factor based on sample size. 30 samples for a hitter would have a skew of about 5 times the number (2 sigma) for a tolerance on the result. A SP who pitches maybe 6 times a month or less would have a factor around 16 to 20. So you see, 1 month is meaningless, especially when you consider 1 bad start & 1 bad inning.

  70. UnKnown June 30th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Breaking News Austin Jackson Strikes Out

  71. mama where's my baba June 30th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Boom King June 30th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
    Hazel Mae is so hot. She’s so hot she’s making me sexist.
    ***************

    I heard she was banging francona when she was working at nesn. Does that lower her a few notches on the hot scale?

  72. UnKnown June 30th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    His striking out would not play in the Bronx. It would take one game for him to get booed back to Scranton. I love me some Granderson.

  73. MaineYankee June 30th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    RayVT

    I’m glad you know what you just wrote. :lol:

  74. Patrick from CT June 30th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Is there GTLU today Doreen?
    Maybe I’m too late?

    Jeter-SS
    Granderson-CF
    Tex-1B
    Arod-DH
    Cano-2B
    Posada-C
    Swish-RF
    Curtis-LF
    Pena-3b

  75. tampayank June 30th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    “# GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Looks like Halladay is turning into garbage. 4 runs and 12 hits with no outs in the 8th inning.

    I would still take him ;)

    maybe b/c his team always expects him to go deep into every game all season. He probably could use a few outings of just 6 innings once in a while

  76. UnKnown June 30th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    Arod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C
    Curtis LF

  77. MaineYankee June 30th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Pat M

    I just read that Doc is going to coach the Celtics next year. I suspect they think they have another run in them.

  78. Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Ray, you’re barking up the wrong tree. I’m well aware of what an outlier is, but that being said, how can you consider 1 of 4 the outlier? There is no consistent baseline with which to judge what is an outlier and what is a normal statistical point. At what point is there enough statistical evidence to support true outliers on a graph? Two? Twenty? Fifty? What is the baseline start at which you see a tolerance one way or the other to suggest that the games in question are outliers or normal statistical evidence that should be considered?
    For me, a sample size of less than 20 suggests that all emperical evidence should be used in accordance with a baseline formulation.
    Perhaps they’re not paying you to do that?

  79. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    I’m guessing that Halladay was a better option to win that game than that Philadelphia bullpen.

  80. MaineYankee June 30th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    GB7

    Don’t you have some stats to add to this conversation? :lol:

  81. Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    So, while I’m well aware of what an outlier is, at what point in this entire conversation did I exclude a month, and then try to use that month as the end-all to the conversation. I too am happy you wrote that because I’m more than willing to go back and re-read the posts. I was using the month(s) as a function of the overall stats to date. I broke them down, and suggested that the last month has been worse than the one before it.
    It’s funny that every in every single platform that keeps track of how a pitcher or hitter performs actually includes the bad starts, and aghast, even those that are true outliers.
    Right now, Phil does not have enough starts to suggest that any start, good or bad, is an outlier. Right now, they’re just points on a graph, bro.

  82. champ809 June 30th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    I think Manuel has cost his team at least 3-4 games with this idea that Doc throws a complete game every 5th day….he may have cost Doc any shot he has at the NL CY as well with this curious “day off” of managing the game that Manuel takes every 5th day…..

  83. vblade June 30th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    That graphic on Mo is mind boggling. Of all his pitches thrown in 2009, there were no more than 25 that caught the middle of the plate. That’s ridiculous control.

  84. champ809 June 30th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    ARod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Grandy CF
    Velli C
    Curtis LF

    CC Tha MAN!!!

  85. Joe from Long Island June 30th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    vblade – that was an incredible graphic. Both in terms of the technology, as well as Mo’s consistency. Just amazing.

  86. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    MaineYankee June 30th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
    GB7

    Don’t you have some stats to add to this conversation?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Sure. Every Wednesday on months that start with a “J”, I make a mistake. Then I go back and check, and find out that my only mistake was in thinking that I was wrong. So, I’m still batting 1.000 on this year.

  87. saucY June 30th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    i want to go to this all star game. i don’t want to pay the $50 they’re asking on stubhub though…

    OT: Anyone see the “blueprint for greatness” billboard going up near MSG? i love it!
    http://dnainfo.com/20100630/mi.....-greatness

  88. JK June 30th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Perspective…..

    There are only 7 starters in the AL 24 and under with over 80 innings…

    1. Price… 2.44 era, 1.21 whip (#1 pick)
    2. Hernandez… 3.28 era, 1.19 whip (4 years of experience)
    3. Hughes… 3.58 era, 1.19 whip
    4. Gonzales… 3.74 era, 1.31 whip
    5. Cecil… 4.39 era, 1.16 whip
    6. Davis… 4.68 era, 1.46 whip
    7. Matsuz… 4.90 era, 1.44 whip

    There are very few 24 and under starters in the AL and right now Hughes is the 3rd best of that limited group.

  89. 86w183 June 30th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Enough about the statistical analysis already!

  90. NYYROC June 30th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    JK, interesting post. Thanks!

  91. LGY June 30th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    You are using a month as “your points on your graph bro” to use your words.

    Yet you yourself have said a month worth of statistics is too small a sample to have real meaning.

    That means every of your points on the graph consist of too small a sample to have meaning.

  92. Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Perspective?..

    There are only 7 starters in the AL 24 and under with over 80 innings?

    And of those, rank them in order of number of innings pitched/games started/batters faced/ ect..
    Who has the most experience getting outs v. who has the least?

  93. CT23 June 30th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Teixiera 1B
    Rodriguez DH
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Granderson CF
    Curtis LF
    Pena 3B

  94. RayVT June 30th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    MaineYankee June 30th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    LOL! Thanks!

    Basically it means anything less than 100 opportunities is worthless. Also, probably 5% of the values of 100% would be discarded as outliers or not the norm.

  95. John in Ohio June 30th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Mike Hessman – I realize he’s old – but he’s got 18 homers and 57 RBIs for Buffalo. Hard to believe he’s not an IL All-Star. Maybe he asked for a few days off.

  96. Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    No, I’m not. I’m using the game by game starts as points on a graph, LGY. How are you not getting this? Take every start, to date, and assign it a point based on whatever you want. Then, if you’ll notice, however small it may be, the line that cuts through the points has a r^2 value of much less than .995% confidence, therefor, not enough has been made of his starts to conculde anything other than they’re not going in a “better” direction, which was my only point to date. Certain people can cherry pick certain factors, or break down what happened in certain games, but the fact is, no matter what stat you pick, they’re all either growing or shrinking in the wrong direction.
    Will he turn it around? More than likely, but then again, I’m not into guessing what might happen, only interpreting what already has.

  97. upstate kate June 30th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    I think Doreen is travelling home today…but just in case

    GTLU
    SS Jeet
    CF Grandy
    1B Tex
    DH Alex
    2B Robbie
    C Po
    RF Swish
    LF Curtis
    3B Nino

    thanks Doreen if you are out there

  98. Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Basically it means anything less than 100 opportunities is worthless. Also, probably 5% of the values of 100% would be discarded as outliers or not the norm.

    Right, but trends can be depicted from much smaller sample sizes. If five of his next ten starts are below average, do we toss them too? How about if 3 of the next 8? Until he reaches a coefficient factor of at least 90%, the only thing one person can depict from any chart of set of data is the trendline, which is all I was doing to begin with.

  99. five iron from fenway June 30th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    I lived in the same apartment building (same floor) as Hazel Mae when she was in Boston. Not as hot in person as on camera.
    Phil Hughes – you are seeing the league adjust to him a bit. They were overpowered by his fastball early in the season and he is getting into a bit of a rut with his pitch selection. Time for him to adjust back and incorporate the rest of his repertoire more fully.

  100. Pat M. June 30th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    We need The Stuckey Man & or CB to add some levity to Aaron’s point of view…….I’m still a guy who takes from what I see………..The old Vinnie Scully line about a drunk, stats, and a lamp posts illumination………Hope to see all for the first pitch & hope the Yanks jump out early, otherwise it’ll be an early exit for the sane Yankee fans

  101. RayVT June 30th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    LOL! A sample size of 20 is meaningless. Outliers fall into two distinct categories. One is outside the normal distribution (bell shaped curve) and the other is the 2?% on both sides of the bell shaped curve near the x-axis. If you look up th K-factor in a statistics book, you basically will see if you don’t have 100 samples of something then you don’t have a real statistical data point.

  102. 86w183 June 30th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    I can’t wait until Phil Hughes reaches his coefficient factor!

  103. Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    LOL. No need, Pat. I’m over it – it’s a argument of opinion.. If there was an accurate, and singular way to look at stats, we’d all be millionaires. Let’s get this game going!

  104. vblade June 30th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    How the hell did this turn into a statistics debate? lol.

  105. RayVT June 30th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Right now, Phil does not have enough starts to suggest that any start, good or bad, is an outlier. Right now, they?re just points on a graph, bro.

    I totally agree, that they are just points on a graph! Therefore, no conclusion can be made from that until enough points are available.

  106. Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Ray, we’re agreeing, man. Back the hell off. I have said, numerous times now, that his data set is not valid enough to offer any concrete evidence to who he is as a pitcher, but rather, the only thing that can be depicted to date is one man’s view of what’s happening.

    I too took tenth grade statistics bro.

  107. RayVT June 30th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    vblade June 30th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    I got bored! Sorry!

  108. RayVT June 30th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    LOL! I took graduate statistics, but we agree. I guess I should have taken more courses in conversation listening! LOL!

  109. Aaron June 30th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    LOL! I took graduate statistics..

    As did I, and I congratulate you for being able to have this converstion at all! haha.

  110. Anonymous August 27th, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    Bardzo ciekawy temat, doceniam twoj? robot? tak trzymaj:)

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