Game 79: Yankees vs. Blue Jays
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Jul 02, 2010 
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YANKEES (48-30)
Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posada DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Francisco Cervelli C
Brett Gardner LF
RHP A.J. Burnett (6-7, 5.25)
Burnett vs. Blue Jays
BLUE JAYS (40-40)
Fred Lewis LF
Alex Gonzalez SS
Jose Bautista RF
Vernon Wells CF
Adam Lind DH
Aaron Hill 2B
Lyle Overbay 1B
John Buck C
Jarrett Hoffpauir 3B
LHP Brett Cecil (7-5, 4.39)
Cecil vs. Yankees
TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m. / YES Network
UMPIRES: HP Mark Wegner, 1B Dan Iassogna, 2B Dale Scott, 3B Jerry Meals
WEATHER: Hard to imagine a better day in the Bronx. Mid 70s. Sun shining. Light breeze blowing out to right.
TORONTO AGAIN: When A.J. Burnett got off to that awful month of June, it all started in Toronto. Now he’ll face his former teammates again, this time at Yankee Stadium. The current Blue Jays actually own only a .228 batting average against Burnett, but they’ve hit for power off him with a .505 team slugging percentage. That’s helped by Jose Bautista’s two home runs in two at-bats.
BOUNCING BACK: With yesterday’s win against Seattle, the Yankees are now 15-2 in games immediately following a shutout loss since the beginning of the 2008 season. They are 10-1 in their past 11 such games.
YOU’LL GET NOTHING: Speaking of shutout losses, the Yankees have been shutout four times this season, three of them in games Javier Vazquez started.
LUCKIEST MAN: In honor of the 71st anniversary of Lou Gehrig’s famous “Luckiest Man on Earth” speech, the Yankees are encouraging fans attending Sunday’s game — or watching on TV or listening on radio — to text ALS to 50555, which will send a one-time $5 donation to the ALS Association Greater New York Chapter.
UPDATE, 1:28 p.m.: A couple of walks and a sac fly by Alex Rodriguez have given A.J. Burnett and the Yankees an early 1-0 lead.
UPDATE, 1:51 p.m.: So far so good for A.J. Burnett. He’s gone through the lineup once without walking a batter and without allowing a hard-hit ball. Fastball command seems OK so far.
UPDATE, 1:55 p.m.: Of course, now Burnett has walked the first two batters of the third inning. Blame this inning on me. I should know better than to write about Burnett pitching well after two innings.
UPDATE, 2:02 p.m.: What do you know? Three straight outs got Burnett out of it and stranded the runners at second and third. Keeps the 1-0 lead intact.
UPDATE, 2:10 p.m.: Double steal for the Yankees, with Jeter taking third and Swisher taking second with no outs. Swisher seemed pumped. Teixeira then walked and the bases are now loaded for the suddenly power-hitting Alex Rodriguez.
UPDATE, 2:15 p.m.: Brutal. Rodriguez and Cano struck out, Posada grounded to second and the Yankees stranded the bases loaded. Hard to pick a better set of three hitters in that situation, just didn’t get it done this time.
UPDATE, 3:00 p.m.: Six scoreless innings from Burnett. Clearly Dave Eiland is a genius.
UPDATE, 3:30 p.m.: That ball was either going out of the park or off the top of the wall for a double. There was no best-case scenario, there was only the hope that Gardner could get there. And he did. Great catch that might have saved the game.
UPDATE, 3:37 p.m.: It took eight innings for Bad A.J. to show up. And when he did, he was dressed as Joba Chamberlain. Blue Jays have tied the game on a walk and a pair of two-out singles.
UPDATE, 4:36 p.m.: Dave Robertson tries to give the Yankees two innings of work and allows a bases-loaded single to put the Blue Jays in the lead 2-1. If Alfredo Aceves were healthy or Chan Ho Park were reliable, you have to wonder whether Robertson would possibly have been used in this situation.
UPDATE, 4:48 p.m.: Bases-loaded walk and a three-run triple. The exodus has begun. Dave Robertson’s ERA takes a beating and the Yankees are now trailing 6-1.
I win Yay!
2 Dh’s, I doubt it.
Wow, two DH’s. Glad to see MLB is making some changes…lol
Lol, Chad’s been having a tough time of it lately with these lineups
Bautista over/under 3 home runs this weekend?
under
What channel is the game on?
AJ, AJ, AJ
Nice, quick inning, regardless of the bouncer through the infield. a lot of moving strikes.
happy fourth of july weekend fellow lohuders
i get a sense that the tides are turning, the yankees are going to get hot. tex and arod will be tex and arod.
aj will be aj, but better than before.
Good job by AJ getting the HGH boys out.
Why is the YES network not have the game?
Wind at 12 MPH blowing left to right field. That’s the place to get the ball in the air.
work it Swish, work it!
Just want to say that if our bats struggle vs. The Jays again especially after they were swept by the Indians in 4 that our offense has deep issues that will linger for the whole year and a trade (s) has to happen for another bat or 2….and everyone can scream at me that we are in first place, 2nd in runs scored, I’m a spoiled fan, etc…but I know what I see with our offense…..extremely inconsistent and will be easily stopped in postseason play by good pitching!
Tex and Alex both made out but they both were productive ones…Tex to move the runners and Alex to get the run in..
@keith, no worry bud, Cashmoney on the dial we got Hee-seop Choi, help is on the way.
That was a really good swing by Cano. Just the wrong direction.
Keith–FL July 2nd, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Just want to say that if our bats struggle vs. The Jays again especially after they were swept by the Indians in 4 that our offense has deep issues that will linger for the whole year and a trade (s) has to happen for another bat or 2….and everyone can scream at me that we are in first place, 2nd in runs scored, I’m a spoiled fan, etc…but I know what I see with our offense…..extremely inconsistent and will be easily stopped in postseason play by good pitching!
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Well, you just ruined it all for me. No sense in my watching the rest of the season.
Arod and Cano both just missed it…
whatever happened to Burnett and his change up?
That was a nice sequense of pitches. Mid-90s fastballs, knuckle curve, sinker and a change-up.
I live in Pennsylvania and have verizon FIOS which carries YES Network. Why don’t I get the game?
J.Buck has an OPS over 800, pretty underrated offensive catcher, dunno anything about his D.
What is with Burnett and having two outs?
AJ has to concentrate more with 2 outs. The same crap happened against Arizona.
Joeya, u have “yes universal” they don’t broadcast the yankee games
AJ seriously needs to work on a third pitch. when you can’t throw Curve for strike, hitter can gear on his fastball all day.
You’ve got to be kidding with that ridiculous remark. You’re blaming Burnett for a half swing to the right side on a right handed pull hitter? You haven’t got a clue, do you?
GB – I’m no expert, but AJ’s left shoulder does seem tighter, flying open much less, than his past few starts, and he’s hitting his corners much better. That last hit was an excuse-me dribbler.
If AJ keeps it up, Dave Eiland shoud go to Cash and see about a raise.
Something off speed would be nice here. We know the Yanks can hit the fastball.
How is a checked swing hit a “lack of concentration” by Burnett?
Do you ever not whine about something, even when it makes no sense?
Cash Bmoney July 2nd, 2010 at 1:38 pm
AJ seriously needs to work on a third pitch. when you can’t throw Curve for strike, hitter can gear on his fastball all day.
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He’s thrown two different fastballs, a curve and a change-up. How many more is he supposed to throw to suit you?
AJ’s curveball looks really good and he is going to need it a lot today.
Joe,
By staying on the first base side of the rubber, which he is, it’s easier for him to stay closed.
I have no idea why he was trying other spots on the rubber. That really doesn’t work with his mechanics, IMO.
He’s thrown two different fastballs, a curve and a change-up. How many more is he supposed to throw to suit you?
that sounds good to me, just more work on da change up
GB – I’m no expert, but AJ’s left shoulder does seem tighter, flying open much less, than his past few starts, and he’s hitting his corners much better. That last hit was an excuse-me dribbler.
If AJ keeps it up, Dave Eiland shoud go to Cash and see about a raise.
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He looks good. Rather hard to fault a guy that allows two bleeders through the infield and one line single. The only thing hit hard in 2 innings…not even hard hit foul balls. He doesn’t even look like the same pitcher through the first two innings as the one that was pitching in June.
Granderson is becoming unbeatable to watch hit
well gardner barely moved the bat off his shoulder on that…apparently thats still a swing though…umpiring at its finest
Harsh call right there on Gardy….
The more I see Granderson the more I understand why he has such a low avg
Does the DH have to hit for the pitcher? Maybe the Yanks can have a designated hitter for their center fielder.
GB – yeah, he’s a heck of a lot different, better. He should buy Eiland a whole lot of dinners, lol.
And….why do you even bother with the TNTs? Remember, at your age you have to watch your blood pressure
GreenBeret7….sorry but I just get frustrated watching our offense this year especially vs mediocre pitchers, maybe these pitchers gear up so much to face the Yankees and make a name for themselves and get noticed…..but look on the bright side you will now have lots of free time now that you don’t have to watch anymore…:) just kidding and glad this blog is here for us Yankee fans!!!
There goes Cervelli throwing from his knees again?
How do u walk Fred Lewis?
Joe from Long Island July 2nd, 2010 at 1:50 pm
GB – yeah, he’s a heck of a lot different, better. He should buy Eiland a whole lot of dinners, lol.
And….why do you even bother with the TNTs? Remember, at your age you have to watch your blood pressure
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If Eiland gets him straightened out, Burnett had better buy him a herd of cut up cows.
Has bad AJ returned?
He’s lost the strikezone completely
The real AJ shows up
Hang in there AJ !! . . you can do this !
Only team that doesnt receive the gift 3-0 strike calls.
Here we go with the headcase….
Bautista bomb?
Green Beret—you have a nasty streak today. Enjoy life–this is merely a ballgame and you should care a whole lot less.
what a headcase. This guy is going to single-handedly kill our bullpen.
If Burnett gets out of this inning unscathed, he’ll be just fine, as long as Eiland doesn’t have to make a trip to the john.
That was a great job by Burnett.
FOCUS AJ .. . FOCUS !!!
Looks like the trolling idiots have shown up.
Green Beret–no –the head idiot is always here.
Sixto Lezcano July 2nd, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Green Beret—you have a nasty streak today. Enjoy life–this is merely a ballgame and you should care a whole lot less.
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I hate to see people that love to bathe in their stupidity.
Yeah, sixto…you have been around a lot, lately.
Green Beret–headed for the rubber room
# Ace July 2nd, 2010 at 1:52 pm
How do u walk Fred Lewis?
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Fred Lewis actually has the best BA of anybody in this line up.
Looks like the trolling idiots have shown up.
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Uh-oh, I think I see some kids on your lawn.
You better go yell at them.
thinking positive thoughts… come on AJ , oooooone moooore batter!
So much for your prediction, Michelle.
Good job by AJ reeling it back in.
AJ got out of it.
Trolls are unhappy and go away until he puts another guy on base.
Nice job of getting himself out of his own problem. Last week, he would have given up 3-4 runs. a lot of pitches, but a lot to be happy with, too.
I’m sorry to say it but I really find it very hard to watch Burnett pitch
This guy is like Mitch Williams of starters.
Once the ball leaves his hands its liable to end up anywhere.
I’m rooting for the guy like hell and have faith he will turn it around but watching him work a batter is sheer aggravation.
He got out of that jam after walking Freddie Lewis and Alex Gonazalez
Thing is he might do the same the next inning and not get out of it that time.
Hardly efficient, and hardly flawless, but damn, this is an improvement. 5 good innings would be a huge confidence booster for AJ. Let’s see if he can make it 2-3 more.
Nice pitching by AJ after the first two walks… He needs to stay away from periods where he looks lost. Drives up his pitchcount and he flirts with danger…
But so far so good…
Can he go 6 innings?
Green Beret–so glad you’re happy. Did Mommy buy you ice cream?
It was only wildness that got him in trouble, but, nothing has been crushed by Toronto.
AJ = Ollie Perez. Even though AJ has way more stuff – both are headcases with zero pitching IQ
come on TEXed msg!
Cmon Yanks make Cecil pay,
dude shut us down the last time we faced him
he has been awful in his last 3 starts giving up 5,6,5 runs each game.
Or….he can retire the next 10 guys in the order.
The last inning doesn’t necessarily mean doom for him.
That’s the way it is with AJ.
good job laying off the change up TEX!
btw, just poking fun there, GB7.
your minor league posts kick ass.
That’s a bit of a shocker, but, nice to see the double steal.
Woohoo common Tex
Big opportunity for some runs here. C’mon offense!
Yeah bases jacked common ARod maximize this inning.
need some Rod rage!
Haha, remember when Cecil shut us down in Toronto
Dude looks awful now.
Lets Go Yankees
Ugh. C’mon Cano!
Swung at balls 3 and 4.
awfull
Unreal
C’mon Robbie
aight, Cano knows!
what a goddamn joke.
This has the potential to be ugly.
Cecil’s making good pitches. That doesn’t mean the Yankees are taking a great approach.
Bunch of garbage, bases loaded your 4,5,6 hitter up and they can’t get a man in.
if I’m Girardi I would be very worried about the Yankees offense and the ianbility to get hits w/risp….
Absolutely horrible… AJ could need a cushion
I thought the Yankees were over the choking with runners on base stage…
Absolute disgrace to not be able to even get the bat on the ball and put it in play to get a run in.
Sickening
what a job by Brett Cecil ???
Cecil is a lot like Burnett. The control comes and goes, and nobody knows when or why.
Squan-Der.
Damn. That’s offensive inepititude of the highest order.
If the Yanks loose the game the 3rd inning explains it…
WHAT A JOKE !!
man, that was tough to watch….
Who can defend that lump of coal the Yankees just laid.
That wasn’t Cervelli, Pena or Granderson at the plate and they let this guy get out of this situation.
They need all the runs they can get with Burnett pitching.
If A-Rod or Cano would have done what Posada just did, we would have a run. Instead, neither one makes contact and Cecil gets out of it.
I’m afraid that will boost his confidence and he’ll be able to keep the Yankee offense down. Big opportunity wasted there.
Alex’s best pitch to hit was probably the 2-0. But you can’t really fault him for laying off when the guy was having such trouble throwing strikes. I really feel, though, that he could have pushed that one into the right field seats like he did the high pitch yesterday.
For a team 2 on runs the Offense stinks
Bad at bats by Arod and Cano. Especially Cano. In that situation you have to swing at strikes. He threw 2 strikes in the inning and got 3 easy outs.
Yanks lineup tipping cap already. Just pathetic
That is truly pathetic. What more could you ask for? Bases loaded, no outs and your best hitters coming up. A-Rod’s at bat was ok but Cano and Posada want shooting for swinging at those pitches. The Jays have been struggling lately. What a way to boost their flagging morale.
Keep going on about how this offense ranks 2nd in the league in runs scored. There is very little situational hitting, and accordingly they cannot get home runs in big situations because they expand the zone.
This year’s team does not have consistently patient at bats with runners on base and continues to bail pitchers out. This isn’t just a bad inning, this has been going on for a month and a half now. How can it not be a concern by now?
That inning left me feeling queezy like I ate a bad Taco
That was worse than watching any of Burnett’s recent struggles.
Cashman should visit the team.
Great recovery and catch by Granderson.
Today is a prime example of why looking at the statistics is misleading. The pile on when way ahead or score runs in garbage time off of the last guy in the pen, but when they have situations in which they can score easy runs, more often than not they fail to do much damage. They do not have many big innings, and you can’t expect to score a ton of runs when you get 0 or 1 every time you have a big rally going.
Even the first inning was somewhat of a failure when they did score, because 1st and 2nd, no outs with 3-4-5 coming up, you would like to see more than just one come across. They cannot put together many big innings, and it puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the pitchers. Any mistake could be the game when you don’t score consistently, and in yesterday’s game it almost cost them dearly when they only put 2 on the board against mediocre pitching.
Granderson sucks.
Nice play by Granderson. His speed almost took him into the wall.
What a play by Granderson….Got turned around a bit but thats not an easy one to make.
Nice recovery inning by Burnett. First ball to be hit hard off of Burnett.
The Yankees lead MLB in hitting with the bases loaded this year.
It didn’t happen today.
That’s baseball. Deal with it children.
Hey, Matt’s around when the Yankees are leading. I guess nobody can accuse him of only showing up when the Yanks are trailing…
“# Matt July 2nd, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Keep going on about how this offense ranks 2nd in the league in runs scored. There is very little situational hitting, and accordingly they cannot get home runs in big situations because they expand the zone.
This year’s team does not have consistently patient at bats with runners on base and continues to bail pitchers out. This isn’t just a bad inning, this has been going on for a month and a half now. How can it not be a concern by now?”
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Every peripheral for the Yankees on offense has been in decline.
Their AVG has tumbled, their SLG has tumbled, their OBP and OPS has tumbled.
They are still second in runs scored because other teams haven’t passed them AS YET.
That inning was just awful to watch with your power hitters up in RBI spots.
Melky would have dove for that ball and missed it, and people would think he’s a great center fielder for almost catching that ball. Granderson can catch that standing up. It’s really a huge difference in outfield defense this year, people don’t realize how overrated Melky was.
Nice play 14
This team is not a championship caliber team as of right now. Yes they are in 1st place, but they cannot sustain that with a bullpen in shambles, no situational hitting, and superstars who are under-performing at best.
There is half a season to fill the holes, and it needs to happen.
it must be very distracting to watch these games with one finger on the trigger. such a bunch of whiny babies.
Run prevention by Grandy – and look who is leading off this inning!
“# SJ44 July 2nd, 2010 at 2:20 pm
The Yankees lead MLB in hitting with the bases loaded this year.
It didn’t happen today.
That’s baseball. Deal with it children.”
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Doesn’t mean with the bases loaded they can’t get a fly ball to get a runner in.
Its Baseball Fundamentals 101, productive outs.
No one is saying they needed a grand slam or bases clearing double in that spot.
But get the ball in play and get the run in.
macfan – its called a slump, funny thing is you come out of them and then oh my… wehave the best offense in baseball again.
lets not wait for that though, lets tear it all apart when we’re in first place.
but when they have situations in which they can score easy runs, more often than not they fail to do much damage
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.424 .482 .685 1.167 with the bases loaded this year.
.269 .371 .457 .828 with RISP, they are probably being too patient with RISP. They almost have a 1:1 K:BB with RISP
and the run expectancy for 1st and 2nd 0 outs is 1.5, so it could go either way. 2nd and 3rd 1 out is 1.4.
He just threw his glove out there, and the ball finds its way into it.
The Yankees also lead MLB in getting runners in from third with less than 2 outs. In other words, that’s situational hitting.
If you are going to whine about the offense, bring more facts and less whining to the debate.
The fact is, they have been very good, league best in situational hitting spots and with the bases loaded.
They have been inconsistent in other areas of their offense.
RISP:
Cano: .353 BA, .990 OPS.
Arod : .324 BA, .1030 OPS
Those were two bad AB’s by the Yanks big guns but its not a generalization of their seasons.
“# Irreverent Discourse July 2nd, 2010 at 2:21 pm
it must be very distracting to watch these games with one finger on the trigger. such a bunch of whiny babies.”
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How dare we complain as fans with the Yankees having the bases loaded and 0 outs and can’t get a single run in with their 4,5,6 hitters coming up.
Oh we should be ashamed of ourselves for being mad about that.
Pitchers get out of bases loaded and 0 outs all the time like nothing.
Do you wipe the hand or lick the hand ??? Michael Kay at his finest.
Macfan,
A little tip. When you lead all of MLB hitting with the bases loaded, that’s as good as it gets.
It doesn’t mean they are successful EVERYTIME though.
That’s the way it goes.
The Yankees lead in a lot of these categories because they have more chances than the average team.
It doesn’t mean they are being productive on the whole.
How can you watch this team hit and possibly think they are the caliber of offense that those statistics would suggest? They are too inconsistent right now. It doesn’t mean they won’t hit eventually, but it has to be a concern right now.
They are healthy now, Teixeira and A-Rod are starting to hit, and they still are up and down. There is just no consistency from at bat to at bat up and down this lineup. Hitters work the count one at bat, and then go up there and hack away at the first pitch out of the zone the next.
Look at the stats that have been posted. This isn’t just a 1 or 2 game slide, nearly every hitter in the lineup hit .250 or lower in the month of June. It’s been going on for a month and a half now, and eventually you are what you’ve been doing lately, not what you did in April.
“# Irreverent Discourse July 2nd, 2010 at 2:22 pm
macfan – its called a slump, funny thing is you come out of them and then oh my… wehave the best offense in baseball again.
lets not wait for that though, lets tear it all apart when we’re in first place.”
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Slump, Slump are you kidding me.
Slumps don’t prevent you from getting a fly ball to get the runner in and advancing men.
Like I said they could have scored 2 runs in that inning without a single hit. If they hit flew out to the outfield.
That is poor fundamental hitting not a slump.
The Yanks really need to get a righty hitting outfielder. So they have the option of sitting Granderson or Gardner against a lefty. Especially Granderson. Granderson is having so much trouble hitting righties they should just give up on playing him against lefties. He is lost.
i lick them then wipe it.
It is a fact, that over the last 9-10 games the Yankee offense has been somewhat dysfunctional
Crap, I was hoping that would make Matt’s head explode, but he’s still commenting.
LoHud bot?
The Yankees lead in a lot of these categories because they have more chances than the average team.
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Leading is by definition being better than other teams. Its not even that they get more RBIs (as that would be a function of chances) its that their rate stats are leading MLB.
Which means other teams, with an equal amount of chances, would be less effective.
I think you’d better put on your raincoat, SJ. That yellow rain is going to get you wet.
“# SJ44 July 2nd, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Macfan,
A little tip. When you lead all of MLB hitting with the bases loaded, that’s as good as it gets.
It doesn’t mean they are successful EVERYTIME though.
That’s the way it goes.”
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That situation doesn’t tell us much, because they could be up a bunch of runs in those situations as opposed to in a close game like today.
It matters when you get those hits as well, not just about the raw average.
Complaining about EVERY SINGLE THING, which you and some of your brethren do in every game thread IS distracting.
Look, every game is not going to be player perfectly.
You deal with the ups and downs.
Whining about EVERYTHING makes you nothing but a whiner.
Don’t we have enough of them on here? Why add to it?
“# Michelle July 2nd, 2010 at 2:27 pm
The Yanks really need to get a righty hitting outfielder. So they have the option of sitting Granderson or Gardner against a lefty. Especially Granderson. Granderson is having so much trouble hitting righties they should just give up on playing him against lefties. He is lost.”
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I really wanted them to sign Johnny Gomes in the offseason, he is hitting pretty well for the Reds this season.
oh……my…….god. he just put ice cream on his hand and licked it off.
“The Yankees lead in a lot of these categories because they have more chances than the average team.”
lol, the fact that they have more chances than the average team should tell you that they are better than the average team. In a sport where failing 7 of 10 times is considered good, then teams that give themselves the most chances generally win the most games.
They aren’t even getting good swings at Burnett, today. Those pitches are moving and the fastball has the hop that’s been missing.
Some of you are a little bit too comfortable in here. Just a tad bit.
GB,
Amazing, isn’t?
No matter how many games they watch, they learn nothing.
The game ain’t easy. Too bad the youngin’s don’t get that simple fact.
Burnett has been encouraging!
Fred Lewis intentionally moved into that ball, IMO.
Just frustrating.
This offense is very poor
“In a sport where failing 7 of 10 times is considered good”
I agree with your statement, blake. But I’ve always hated that Michael Kay line you used. It’s actually failing 60 to 65 % of the time, not 70% of the time. Counting OBP. Having a .300 OBP is not good.
@Rob, well next time Burnett just have to deck him in the head!
That Karma right there is proof to me that Lewis intentionally moved into that ball.
Don’t want an injury, but, hopefully that will keep Lewis anchored on 1st base. as much as they run on Burnett, he picks off his share of runners. 3 this year.
Nice bit of good luck for that DP.
“# SJ44 July 2nd, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Complaining about EVERY SINGLE THING, which you and some of your brethren do in every game thread IS distracting.
Look, every game is not going to be player perfectly.
You deal with the ups and downs.
Whining about EVERYTHING makes you nothing but a whiner.
Don’t we have enough of them on here? Why add to it?”
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Why does it always have to be about this or that cannot be perfection.
No one expects perfection from the Yankees.
Anyone who is a baseball fan knows the ebb and flow of a long season.
Perfection doesn’t have anything to do with the Yankees not getting a runner in with the bases loaded and no outs.
Fact is they have Burnett going and the team squandered an opportunity to give him some run support in a very good spot.
5 strong from AJ. This is great to see.
Whatever happened to the concept of cutting back on your swing to make contact and drive home a run? Guess it’s not sexy enough for the multi-millionaires.
Five shutout innings for AJ so far against a team that crushed him the last time he faced them.
One ball hit hard the entire game.
So far, a BIG improvement for AJ.
@macfan, i thought Gomes would have been a better option than thames and others as well.
For all of AJ’s inpredictability, he is so predictable.
I would have bet the house on a great game today.
I hope I’m not homeless soon.
SJ44 July 2nd, 2010 at 2:32 pm
GB,
Amazing, isn’t?
No matter how many games they watch, they learn nothing.
The game ain’t easy. Too bad the youngin’s don’t get that simple fact.
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In that 3rd inning, some credit needs to go to Cecil. Like Burnett, he comes up with a string of pitches that give the hitters little chance, Not the raw Burnett stuff, but, pitches move and he finds control.
make that unpredictability.
Kind of refreshing to see Swish and the rest of our guys just walk back to the dugout after a strike 3. Considering another team that argues every strike 3 that occurs against them.
Wow.. Brett Cecil??? Learned a lesson. If you want to jevuvinate a pitcher…. let him face the yankees….
They don’t pay A-Rod and Cano to cut back on their swings. They pay them to put that ball in the gap or put in the seats in those spots. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn’t.
aj improved his mechanics? mood?
watching on gameday, can someone fill me in. thanks.
The most telling thing about the offense is the lack of patience at the plate. You sometimes run into pitches, but against better pitchers you don’t get many mistakes unless you wear them down.
When was the last time a starter did not complete 6 innings against the Yankees? June 23rd, 9 days ago. Do you know how many times a starter did not complete 6 innings against the Yankees in June? 7 times.
In April? 12.
In May? 11.
And that’s with facing weaker pitching in June.
come on Rod, need some RAGE here!
I like jevuvinating too.
“The Yankees lead in a lot of these categories because they have more chances than the average team.”
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This is ridiculous Matt.
They don’t just lead the league in pure production. What was posted was their rate statistics. It has nothing to do with the number of chances.
If anything, it is even more impressive that they lead the league AND at the same time have the most chances. Their statistics are much less vulnerable to wild fluctuations due to small sampe sizes.
It means that is those situations….wait for it….they are consistent
“# Cash Bmoney July 2nd, 2010 at 2:36 pm
@macfan, i thought Gomes would have been a better option than thames and others as well.”
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He’s having a very good season as well.
Hitting .417 with runners in scoring position in 60 AB
.435 with runners in scoring position and 2 outs
Funny thing is Reds have him for 800,00 dollars
Thames salary is 900,00 dollars.
YankFanCA July 2nd, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Whatever happened to the concept of cutting back on your swing to make contact and drive home a run? Guess it’s not sexy enough for the multi-millionaires.
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It never ceases to amaze my why people like you assume that because a hitter takes his normal swing and strikes out or hits a deep drive that’s caught, it’s because they are trying to hit home runs. Their job is to hit the ball hard and drive it. Jeter’s job is to drive the ball hard, too. Gardner is the only one that they want to punch the ball around.
wow.. misspelled… Forgive me… Im Swedish…
“It never ceases to amaze my why people like you assume that because a hitter takes his normal swing and strikes out or hits a deep drive that’s caught, it’s because they are trying to hit home runs. Their job is to hit the ball hard and drive it. Jeter’s job is to drive the ball hard, too. Gardner is the only one that they want to punch the ball around.”
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Tell you what Green Beret in that bases loaded spot I would have taken that punch of the ball in the infield.
It might have gotten a run in, instead of two strikeouts.
This team needs a bat and a set up man.
GreenBeret — I never said they were trying to hit home runs, genius. Glad I could amaze you though.
Don’t worry. Blowhard SJ will be saying demote AJ quick
Red Sox would be 9-0 up by now. How long before Burnett implodes? Better not cos the way the bats are swinging, 2 runs might be enough for the Jays to win this one. Cecil has sucked today. Five walks and we’ve scored only one run. Frustrating or what.
“In that 3rd inning, some credit needs to go to Cecil. Like Burnett, he comes up with a string of pitches that give the hitters little chance, Not the raw Burnett stuff, but, pitches move and he finds control.”
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Do you notice GB that every pitcher recently that starts against the Yankees it seems has to be given credit.
Even if they were awful before facing the Yankees.
Ryan Rowland Smith
Jamie Moyer
Cecil today
all these guys were roughed up big time before they faced the Yankees, yet against the Yankees they seem to right themselves.
Is that merely coincidence.
Right on the money, Macfan. He’s pitched awful and we’ve let another one off the hook.
The Yankees as a team hit .245/.333/.401 in June. Keep touting the full season rate stats, because they’ve haven’t been that team in a while. This isn’t just a slump, this is consistently inconsistent production up and down the lineup, and they no longer have a ton of injuries to explain it.
They score a run and a half fewer per game on the road than at home. The Yankees were 8th in the AL last month in wOBA and 9th in runs. That means they have been a below average team in the last 25-30 games or so. That’s a bit more than just a short slump, and consider that 9 of the 26 games last month were against Baltimore and Houston, and 3 against Arizona.
Again, A-Rod and Cano are paid to try to put that ball in the gap for 3 runs or in the seats for 4.
It just didn’t happen. If the bases were loaded again, they would take the same exact approach. Baseball is a game of low percentages, which has been repeated enough.
Also, it’s the beginning of the game….
@macfan, Gomes is a better player and hitter than thames.
i am not even sure what we can get out thames now that the DH spot is occupied by Jorge and others. i.e. I would not have started thames over posada today, nor would i start that guy in the OF where he is a simple horror to watch.
Do you know how many times a starter did not complete 6 innings against the Yankees in June? 7 times.
In April? 12.
In May? 11.
And that’s with facing weaker pitching in June.
The lack of patience is starting to become a trend. It’s no surprise they score fewer runs when they don’t get to the weaker pitchers in the pen very much.
He’s like the little girl with the curl ??? What does that even mean ??? The same lines repeated day after day after day.
This is a game where u need a good pen.
Sorry for the repost, there was a delay before and I missed it.
I didn’t like that pitch calling by Cervelli. After 0-2, 4 curveballs in a row. Now a walk and wild pitch gives him a runner on 2nd. AJ is going to beat himself eventually in this game.
“# bruceb July 2nd, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Right on the money, Macfan. He’s pitched awful and we’ve let another one off the hook.”
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It seems like recently credit has to be given to almost every pitcher that starts against the Yankees even when said guy’s form has been awful before facing the Yankees
The Red Sox lit up Moyer before he faced us, he couldn’t even get through 2 innings
Ryan Rowland Smith got chased by the Brewers and his numbers were terrible all season
Brett Cecil today, has given up 5,6,5 runs in his past 3 starts
but lets give credit to them.
The Yankees hitting isn’t the issue.
Let’s give Matt credit for wasting his time getting these pointless stats.
You’ve named 3 pitchers. I would say that’s merely coincidence considering how many different starters the Yankees have faced.
“He’s like the little girl with the curl ??? What does that even mean ???”
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have no idea.
New York Yankees in June Last Year:
.253/.354/.433
That was just a nasty curve to get wells.
Talk about having to be perfect with AJ Burnett today. Any time a runner gets on base he has to not make a single mistake or he could be trailing in the game. Would be nice if the offense could give him any kind of cushion.
This is one of those games where the not scoring with RISP is going to come back and bite us in the a**
I do sometimes wonder how Michael Kay lasted that many years, in the bronx.
“Ryan Rowland Smith
Jamie Moyer
Cecil today”
Not fair lumping Cecil in with the other guys. He’s a good young pitcher, who has thrived against AL East competition (4-1, 2.29 ERA coming into today) this year .
Also, what does Matt propose to do about these horrendous trends? Have the coaching staff beat the players with rods until their performance improves?
It’s not pretty right now. The Yankees aren’t playing well. That they are more than treading water at this point says a lot about the talent on this team. I have faith they will take off in the second half, particularly the offense.
If AJ’s back, that will make a run even easier.
Starting pitching is like that. Your previous start has NOTHING to do with your next one.
Example: Mark Buerhle. Perfect game. Next game – 5+ runs and a loss despite being perfect again through the first 5 innings.
one more AJ , one more!
and how much lunch money, he lost.
How are those stats pointless?
You can keep denying them all you want, but they are indicative of the way the offense has changed in approach.
There is a reason when you score fewer runs, its not just bad luck. They were a below average team over a 26 game span last month. That’s more than just a short slump, that’s a legitimately struggling offense that is not of the same caliber as you seem to think.
And for the person who posted the 2009 stats, they still OPS’d 54 points higher last June. That’s a huge difference in production!
“all these guys were roughed up big time before they faced the Yankees, yet against the Yankees they seem to right themselves.”
Jays fans could be saying the same thing about Burnett. Everyone hit him the last 5 starts and today 0 runs through 6.
So is that it for Burnett? Or do you try to get him through the 7th?
Wow, the ball is really not carrying today.
The only time that people on here post, why didn’t he shorten his swing!? or why couldn’t he just put the ball in play!? is after the fact when it didn’t work out.
If Alex Rodriguez and Robinson Cano go up to the plate with the bases loaded just trying to poke a ball to the second baseman everytime, this team would have a lot more problems scoring runs than it does right now.
Over the course of the season, Alex and Cano going up there and trying to hit the ball hard is going to work out much better than the silly approach being advocated here.
It is not the 9th inning. They are not playing for 1 run that early in the game with the heart of the order coming up.
Bring Burnett out for the 7th inning and go batter to batter. He’s earned that today.
Give Eiland a raise – and never let him Leave the team again…….even given the fact that the Jays are slumping and lost 5 in a row
Nursery Rhyme
There was a little girl
Who had a little curl
Right in the middle of her forehead.
And when she was good
She was very, very good
But when she was bad
She was horrid!
“So is that it for Burnett? Or do you try to get him through the 7th?”
He at least comes out for the 7th. Only 97 pitches and he’s still throwing well.
i got Hee soep Choi and Kyle Farnsworth on speed dial! helps is on the way, Troops!
The standings are the only thing that really matters. You can OPS, ERA, RISP2O, BBQ, LOL, VOIP, ROFLCOPTER all you want, but you don’t make the playoffs based on any of those stats. W-L is what it comes down to.
“And for the person who posted the 2009 stats, they still OPS’d 54 points higher last June. That’s a huge difference in production!”
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I was not posting it to say it was just as bad as last year. I was posting it to show you that teams slump.
Even the super magical, gritty, grind out every single at bat, clutch 2009 team went through a big slump last June.
It happens. If you can’t handle that reality, this is not the sport for you.
“# lolwut July 2nd, 2010 at 2:50 pm
You’ve named 3 pitchers. I would say that’s merely coincidence considering how many different starters the Yankees have faced.
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Okay how about
Kyle Kendrick – since facing the Yankees he has given up 5,4 runs in his past two starts, he gave up 5 runs in his start before facing us. He gave up 1 run to us in 7 innings.
Takahashi of the Mets who shut us down, he has given up 6 runs in each of his 2 starts since then. He had given up 5 runs to Florida and 6 runs to San Diego, before shutting down the Orioles, then us.
Rodrigo Lopes gave up 3 runs to us, before that he had given up 6 runs to Boston, 5 runs to St. Louis.
I’m just posting what’s happening on the field. If the players don’t go up there and have better at bats and get it done, then they are the team they are, not what they did last year or what their baseball cards say.
It’s hard to deny that the offense has been streaky lately and not as good as the numbers suggest, unless you’re someone who is so defensive that they can’t possibly believe the Yankees could ever not play well.
Nobody expects them to be perfect or thinks they should win every game, that’s a ridiculous counter attack to make. They don’t have to be perfect, they just have to be better than this. They were a below average offense over the last 25 games in the American League, and that’s not good enough.
“Nursery Rhyme
There was a little girl
Who had a little curl
Right in the middle of her forehead.
And when she was good
She was very, very good
But when she was bad
She was horrid!”
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pat: thanks. Missed out on that one.
When the little girl with the cury is good, she is very, very good. But when she is bad, she is horrid. Glad to help translate.
chan ho park time or David Robertson?
make that “When the little girl with the curl…
We really need a righty bat who can give either grandy or gardy a blow vs a lefty.
Alright. No gift 3-0 strike for them.
Matt is really Matt Nokes and he wants Kevin Long’s job.
He’ll get those bats hitting.
I was not posting it to say it was just as bad as last year. I was posting it to show you that teams slump.
Even the super magical, gritty, grind out every single at bat, clutch 2009 team went through a big slump last June.
It happens. If you can’t handle that reality, this is not the sport for you.
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You forgot that last year in June Matt was on here saying the yankees were done and the red sox were better and blah blah blah.
“Nobody expects them to be perfect or thinks they should win every game, that’s a ridiculous counter attack to make. They don’t have to be perfect, they just have to be better than this. They were a below average offense over the last 25 games in the American League, and that’s not good enough.”
So this about winning an argument? How about you just root for your team, and stop trying to shatter everyone’s little bursts of optimism.
We’re at Game 79. So many things are going to have changed by September, one way or the other.
Wow Granderson manages not to soil all over himself
no bunting with Cerv, interesting.
Cervelli is a ball-magnet
Who is the fictitious little girl with the curl? Where does that come from?
Cervelli makes contact, as usual. It just went badly.
CR9:
it’s a nursery rhyme, dude
What is Joe thinking? Cervelli is the best bunter on the team!
cerved!
A hit here would be *really* nice though.
Jerkface,
Now you’re just making things up to try to discredit the things I posted.
They were bad last month, and it was worse than just a little slump, they were a legitimately mediocre offensive team last month. The numbers bear it out, as well as observations of the games.
If you can’t handle that, then that’s your problem. It doesn’t mean they won’t turn it around, but they have been bad for a while now, and it’s going to be hard to sustain the record they have if they don’t because the pitching isn’t going to be perfect game in and game out. That’s why they have had trouble sustaining winning streaks as well. They win 2 or 3, then lose two, then win two, then lose one, etc.
Hindsight and all, but buntin’ may have made some sense there.
Hilarious. Girardi bunts all the time but not here???
“# Billy D July 2nd, 2010 at 2:52 pm
“Ryan Rowland Smith
Jamie Moyer
Cecil today”
Not fair lumping Cecil in with the other guys. He’s a good young pitcher, who has thrived against AL East competition (4-1, 2.29 ERA coming into today) this year .
# pat July 2nd, 2010 at 2:54 pm
“all these guys were roughed up big time before they faced the Yankees, yet against the Yankees they seem to right themselves.”
Jays fans could be saying the same thing about Burnett. Everyone hit him the last 5 starts and today 0 runs through 6.”
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Once again this is not about an individual as opposed to the general trend of these pitchers facing us.
I have named
Moyer, Kendrick, Lopez, Takahashi, Cecil
These guys forms were not the best coming into facing the Yankees recently, yet the all shut the Yankees down.
I’m looking at it as a group not just individually.
We all know Burnett is better than how he pitched in June, but he is 1 pitcher that has to right himself.
How come all of those guys above look right against us.
Searched a while for that did you?
Did it ever occur to you that maybe they just had good stuff that day?
It wasn’t Takahashi’s first win, nor was it Kendrick’s, nor Rodrigo’s.
What would you say when the Yankees slug against Santana and Halladay? Pitcher fail? Yankee win?
You don’t seem to grasp the concept of baseball and how tough of a game it is. When there are 162 games in a season, you will have John Lannan go 8.1 innings against you and shut you down. If you were to see him again, you may slug 10 runs off him.
I’m not sure if this is allowed, if it’s not – ban me. But it must be said. Shut up, Matt! Just shut up!
bumbling offense, 2 on with none out, and Girardi lets the light hitting catcher swing away?
There was a little boy
Who had a little toy
Right in the middle of his laptop.
And when he was good
Well, no one has seen that
But when he was bad
He was horrid
Another offensive explosion by the lineup today
The offense is really not that good.
How many LOB through 6?
I don’t know why Cervelli the back up catcher is not bunting in that situation. Another situation that the Yanks blow. Gardner has to lay off those inside fastballs.
man yanks got the worst luck facing all these aces.. another pitcher that is so dominant we cant hit him!
seriously, these bats are an embarassment!
I’d just like to point out that the Yankees have been pretty bad offensively, but that they’ve got a bunch of players hitting well under their career averages. Does anyone *really* expect Granderson and Tex to finish the year hitting under .250? They’ll catch fire sooner or later, and so will A-Rod. And then we can stop whining about the bats. They just need to hang on in the meantime. And they are doing a damned good job of that, really.
here’s where girardi leaves the starter in for one inning too long
@joba Farnworth
you ready for the 8th? we might have to grit this one out!
What are you talking about with “slugging against Santana?”
All four of their runs scored on one swing. Other than that they had a ton of other chances to knock him out of the game early and put it out of reach and they didn’t.
They are not an efficient offense, and it comes back to bite them sometimes in closer games. Today they have 10 baserunners, 1 run, and are 0 for 8 with RISP, including 3 straight misses with the bases loaded and nobody out in the 3rd.
Your pitchers can’t be expected to completely shut down the opposing team every day, sometimes you need to help them out.
“here’s where girardi leaves the starter in for one inning too long”
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what exactly do you recommend, genius ?
8 LOB. 0-8 RISP. for those who have pondered.
Does anyone *really* expect Granderson and Tex to finish the year hitting under .250?
Tex – no
Granderson – yes. he’ll be in the 240′s.
the good news is that this is the good AJ!
“How many LOB through 6?”
8 Yankees and 6 Jays
Teams a combined 0 for 15 with RISP.
I just don’t get Girardi’s thinking. Yes, Cervelli has two hits but this offense is struggling. Why not try a bunt to move the runners over? Put pressure on a defense? We rarely run, we rarely hit and run! I was shocked at the double steal today! I hope the lack of offense does not come back to bite us today!
Yankees were objectively bad in June, they were 4th last in AVG, 15th in wOBA/OPS, 20th in slugging.
Thats not good. But that doesn’t change the fact that you were on this board all last season complaining about a championship team.
I can’t decide what’s more annoying on this blog: the trolls, the bridge-jumpers, or verbose worry-warts like Matt who can’t enjoy a Yankee lead without complaining endlessly.
It’s frustrating. It’s not going as planned. But the Yankees are winning the bloody game, Burnett’s been *brilliant*, and a 1-0 win is just as good as a 10-0 win.
Thanks for the stats. That kind of production truly is doo doo butter!
“Granderson – yes. he’ll be in the 240’s”
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which is perfect for a CF, with HR power and speed.
Bad games happen. Whining and complaining and pulling stats out does nothing to solve that. In any way. 162 games in a season, not all going to be slugfests.
Girardi to Bullpen : Give me Chop, tell him to STANDBY!
Bullpen :**(*))+_++_+)+_!
Girardi : What do mean he is not available.
Bullpen :*(*((*(_+_+_+_+_
Girardi : what ? taking a dump? bad chop?
Oh, it’s a nursery rhyme! I just looked it up and read it, and must applaud Kay on his comparison of AJ to the little girl with the curl.
“Granderson – yes. he’ll be in the 240’s.”
What in the name of sample sizes makes you say that?
Well it would be certainly nice if those guys would turn it around, but we’ve been waiting and waiting for months, how much longer is it going to be?
We were saying Teixeira was about to turn it around in the first week of May and then he was even worse for a few weeks in the middle and end of the month. Eventually the struggles were getting in his head and they became more real than just a bad streak.
Some of these guys are getting closer, but now other guys like Swisher, Posada, etc are slumping. It’s been hard to get these guys going all at once, and it’s hard to be consistent when you have all of that streakiness.
“Does anyone *really* expect Granderson and Tex to finish the year hitting under .250?”
Teixeira? Nope
Granderson? Wouldn’t shock me at all.
Chris W July 2nd, 2010 at 3:09 pm
“Granderson – yes. he’ll be in the 240’s.”
What in the name of sample sizes makes you say that?
the half season we’ve played so far and all of last year when he hit 249 for the season.
Too bad AJ couldn’t finish that inning, but hurray for AJ. Good day for him. And I love that the Yankees fans in attendance rewarded him with a nice ovation. Fair is fair, after all.
Well pitched game for Burnett. Too bad that the single got through. 7 innings would have been great, but, zero complaints. Only the one inning where he had a lapse of control. I’ll take 13 more starts just like this one.
Matt over / under posts today …..32
“the half season we’ve played so far and all of last year when he hit 249 for the season.”
Which is, of course, far more indicative for a youngish-player than his career numbers.
Anyway, he hit 30 homers last year hitting .249. So at the least, we ought to see some improved power production.
Marte getting ready to serve up the tying HR.
“# lolwut July 2nd, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Searched a while for that did you?
Did it ever occur to you that maybe they just had good stuff that day?
It wasn’t Takahashi’s first win, nor was it Kendrick’s, nor Rodrigo’s.
What would you say when the Yankees slug against Santana and Halladay? Pitcher fail? Yankee win?
You don’t seem to grasp the concept of baseball and how tough of a game it is. When there are 162 games in a season, you will have John Lannan go 8.1 innings against you and shut you down. If you were to see him again, you may slug 10 runs off him.”
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When the Yankees slugged against Halladay I said terrific job, same for Santana.
Still doesn’t explain their hitting issues against these lesser pitchers recently.
Earlier in the season the Yankees were consistently doing the little things in games.
Everyone knows baseball is a long season. You believe that after watching this Yankees offense recently that those guys they have faced just happened to coincidentally find themselves and righted the ship against the Yankees.
I don’t know how anyone can watch this offense recently and believe that when all of their statistics are in decline from very early in the season.
Damn Cervi. Keep it in front of you!
What’s going on with Cervelli today?
Cervelli is such a great catcher! So much better than Jorge!
Sorry, but dropped balls like that happen far too often with Cervelli.
Cervelli with a passed ball, all the Posada-haters whining about the PB yesterday are shedding tears.
This is unreal. There is something with our catchers dropping the ball out of our glove. It’s so frustrating. How does that happen? Are we the only team in baseball that it happens to?
There was a boy named Matt
Who decided to get a tat
he wanted to look good
when walkin thru the hood
Nothing could look finer
than ink that say whiner.
MacFan
Don’t discount how pitchers get up to face the Yankees.
Here’s what one pitcher you would classify as mediocre said about facing the Yankees,
“…..the Yankees are the measuring stick. You want to compete against the best. I want to compete against the Yankees.”
The same pitcher might face the O’s with the mindset that an NL pitcher faces an 8 hitter but the Yankees like it’s Pujols at the plate every AB. Never underestimate the power of bragging rights.
Call up Montero
# Matt June 23rd, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Again, a leadoff double, and AGAIN, a hitter doesn’t move him to 3rd with less than 2 outs.
This team is just outright pathetic when it comes to playing situational baseball. That’s a serious problem.
Matt June 23rd, 2009 at 8:14 pm
And that folks, is why Posada is a bad catcher.
It’s not the results, it’s the game calling. He could get away with it some nights because the pitcher is lights out, but look at the at bat against Escobar.
Matt June 23rd, 2009 at 8:18 pm
But again, what does it matter if our offense can’t score a run off a guy who’s practically BEGGING them to score runs by continuing to walk hitters and get himself in trouble?
# Matt June 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pm
There is really no more excuse for this.
4-8 in their last 12 games. If they don’t start seeing results soon, it really doesn’t matter anymore whether there is a “positive” or a “mental victory” to take from games. You have to start winning the actual games.
If they don’t wake up soon, they will be in 3rd or 4th place and bury themselves. It’s not like these are the Red Sox and Rays either. The freaking NATIONALS, BRAVES, MARLINS.
Only the Yankees…
Ya gotta love it.
People on here ripping Posada to shreads yesterday for dropping a ball that lets the tying runner get in scoring position. Saying he is done as a catcher and should be the DH.
Now today, Cervelli drops a ball he clearly should have caught to let the tying runner get in scoring position.
“Well it would be certainly nice if those guys would turn it around, but we’ve been waiting and waiting for months, how much longer is it going to be?”
Poor guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Marte squeezed on every pitch !
macfan – i think you would do well to watch some OTHER team play baseball for a while, and remind yourself what actually happens in the major leagues… instead of rambling about this fantasy-land image of what the yankees should be doing.
Matt
Did you forget about Swisher’s 2 home runs off Lee? His double in the first inning yesterday? Slumping?
Cervelli’s game has really dropped off, both at the plate and behind it. Not surprising, though, really given his background.
Marte makes it interesting certainly!
Matt -
Baseball is a streaky game. It’s so streaky, they keep track of the streaks. Some are fun streaks, and some not so fun, but they come and they go and at the end of the season you see where all the streaks led. You really can’t tell what the outcome will be.
If you sweat all the small stuff, all you get on a game to game basis is agita.
Some times all your guys are good together; sometimes all your guys are bad together; but most of the time they take turns picking each other up.
At the end of a game, a win is a win, a loss is a loss. It doesn’t really matter how you got there – in the big picture.
You are a very small picture type of guy at least as it relates to the game of baseball as it relates to your posting here on this blog. I can’t talk about how you are in “real” life and I won’t make grand statements in that regard.
This is a good game. Frustrating, but good.
Jerkface,
I’m allowed to complain about some of the bad plays that take place in the middle of a game. So what that they were a championship team? They certainly didn’t play like one for the first few months of the season. You can’t retroactively apply it back to them before the fact.
You can’t just assume they are going to do it just because they have, eventually you have to prove you are that same caliber of team. They had a horrible month of June offensively, so why can’t I point that out? If they drop a routine ground ball, why can’t I say that was a bad play?
Yes, baseball is a long season and it is up and down, they aren’t going to be perfect all the time, etc. That doesn’t mean they can’t play poorly at times, and that we can’t point out such. They aren’t a championship or playoff team until they earn it, and if you don’t care about the individual game then baseball must be pretty boring to you?
Unless you’re a die hard fan, most people don’t watch NBA games until the 3rd or 4th quarter. Don’t you think that’s kind of boring? If you don’t get into the individual moments, then you might as well just turn off the TV until September.
You people make me want to claw my eyes out. Go back to the Playstation and play MLB 2010, I bet your team always does exactly what you want in that game.
Freakin’ children.
There was a little boy
Who had a little toy
Right in the middle of his laptop.
And when he was good
Well, no one has seen that
But when he was bad
He was horrid
Nick, You are truly worth the price of admission to this blog
jerkface – *clap* *clap* *clap*… and the award for most overdramatic post goes to…
“Cervelli’s game has really dropped off, both at the plate and behind it. Not surprising, though, really given his background”
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his previous play, made up for it
Complaining helps a lot.
Matt have you ever considered that baseball is just a very streaky game?
Nice job by Marte and a great job by Burnett. This is where not having the 2nd left hander in the pen could hurt, when Lind and Overbay come to bat. Overbay has had good swings all day.
You cannot allow free bases to opponents on passed balls like this past inning. Inexcusable.
“UPDATE, 3:00 p.m.: Six scoreless innings from Burnett. Clearly Dave Eiland is a genius.” Is this a joke? so all other 4 starters did absolutely fine but Mrs Burnett needed to wait for Eiland? don’t get it.
@rj – liked it. I hit the reset button all the time.
“# pat July 2nd, 2010 at 3:14 pm
MacFan
Don’t discount how pitchers get up to face the Yankees.
Here’s what one pitcher you would classify as mediocre said about facing the Yankees,
“…..the Yankees are the measuring stick. You want to compete against the best. I want to compete against the Yankees.”
The same pitcher might face the O’s with the mindset that an NL pitcher faces an 8 hitter but the Yankees like it’s Pujols at the plate every AB. Never underestimate the power of bragging rights.
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Very true, sadly that tends to be part of the equation.
Maybe the lineup will have a better chance with this dude
CR9,
You guys complain about my “small samples,” and then you cite what he did in one or two games to try to disprove my point!
Nick Swisher’s last 30 games:
.248/4/19 with a .757 OPS
Last 15:
.250/2/5 .747 OPS
Last 7:
.167/2/2 .667 OPS
I’d say that looks like a slump, what about you?
“You people make me want to claw my eyes out. Go back to the Playstation and play MLB 2010, I bet your team always does exactly what you want in that game”
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only because they play on ROOKIE level
LOL@Jerkface’s post.
You can’t just assume they are going to do it just because they have, eventually you have to prove you are that same caliber of team. They had a horrible month of June offensively, so why can’t I point that out? If they drop a routine ground ball, why can’t I say that was a bad play?”
Pointing it out is fine. Whining about it incessantly, and then getting irritated when people tire of your act is not.
Just shut it, Matt. Seriously. The hole is just getting deeper.
Terrific job by A.J. by the way.
Good to see him turn in a very good start and hope its indicative of a better July to come for him.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he gets on a roll.
I’m allowed to complain about some of the bad plays that take place in the middle of a game. So what that they were a championship team? They certainly didn’t play like one for the first few months of the season. You can’t retroactively apply it back to them before the fact.
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All you do is complain. You provide nothing positive.
what annoys me the most is when people ob this blog complain about tge people complaining and dont have a single fact to justify why people shouldnt complain.. not to mention those same prople minimalize just how terrible this team has been offensively for the past 6 weeks..pitching has been solid and winning games for us..
only cano and gardner are hitting (maybe swish). the rest is having worst season of their careers!
yet were not suppose to worry.
gonna sweat this one out!
MATT:
if you watch the games and really believe Swisher is slumping, you have the intelligence of an average house plant.
seriously.
Matt, we’re a attention starved as a child, or are you still a child ????
Did you forget about Swisher’s 2 home runs off Lee? His double in the first inning yesterday? Slumping?”
.241 average, .311 OBP since the end of May.
Matt
I agree. That looks like like a bit of a slump.
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Just more bad luck. Line drive right at somebody.
That’s just bad direction. Hits a rocket and no way Swisher could get back to first base.
Looks like the bullpen will only have one run to work with
“241 average, .311 OBP since the end of May.”
Well, a little higher now. And it was actually .241, .321
Jerkface,
Again, so what? They were playing like garbage last year at times, if they didn’t turn it around they would have fallen pretty far back in the standings the way they were going. 4-8 is a pretty terrible stretch for any team.
You have to earn it on the field, and for much of last year they didn’t. This year, they have done more to earn it and pick themselves up for these slumps, but they still have a ways to go.
Just because they won in the end doesn’t mean they were a championship caliber team all season. That’s what’s called hindsight.
good game.
Glad the Yanks are up 1-0, instead of down 1-0.
of course the normal complainers will still complain.
Joe G to Bullpen : give me JobaFarnsworth! time for some heat!
Swish is a streaky player. He will carry you for spurts and do nothing but the occasional walk/HR in spurts.
Joba with some quote to the media the other day about how the media only focuses on his ’4 bad outings’ – newsflash Joba more like 6-8 bad outtings – not really acceptable for a supposed 8th-inning guy.
“Just because they won in the end doesn’t mean they were a championship caliber team all season. That’s what’s called hindsight.”
I think that’s the most intelligent thing I’ve ever read from Matt.
That sucked. Not Tex’s fault, obviously.
Swisher is predictably regressing back to his career averages. He was *never* going to finish the season with a batting average anywhere near .300.
Cano is also starting to come down. It’s a fluke when a guy hits .370. Except maybe Ichiro, who is just a freak of nature. Certainly a guy that guys very few infield hits is rarely going to hit for that high an average.
Now it’s time for Posada to heal up and start hitting, Alex to start bombing the ball more, Tex to turn it around, and Granderson to be the guy we traded for.
I think, by the time August comes round, the bats will be there. And if the pitching stays as good as its been (and in the case of Pettitte especially, that’s unlikely), they’ll be in first place and possibly on the road to a repeat. I hope that’s the case. Let’s watch and find out, instead of looking backwards constantly.
“# P- July 2nd, 2010 at 3:20 pm
what annoys me the most is when people ob this blog complain about tge people complaining and dont have a single fact to justify why people shouldnt complain.. not to mention those same prople minimalize just how terrible this team has been offensively for the past 6 weeks..pitching has been solid and winning games for us..
only cano and gardner are hitting (maybe swish). the rest is having worst season of their careers!
yet were not suppose to worry.”
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Wait you mean we shouldn’t be bathed in ecstasy about the Yankees fundamental hitting approach.
We’re terrible fans for being upset about the teams offensive approach.
The real fans don’t get upset only the fake ones according to some pundits here.
Lets Go Joba
this offense is brutal
let’s see that 3-2 slider you chump!
C’mon Joba. Strikes!
wowww what a catch
GGBG!!
WOW, only Gardner can save Joba meatballs. Girardi please take Joba out and bring in Robertson.
Nice catch from Gardy!
What a great catch.
lol, Grit Gurner!
WOW
“# Joba Farnsworth July 2nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Joba with some quote to the media the other day about how the media only focuses on his ‘4 bad outings’ – newsflash Joba more like 6-8 bad outtings – not really acceptable for a supposed 8th-inning guy.”
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People still listen to that guy, I thought it was established a while back he isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed.
I just keep my fingers crossed when he comes in for a 1,2,3 inning and leave it be.
Chris,
I don’t care what people think about my “act” as you call it. If you don’t like it, then ignore it, that’s your prerogative. I’m allowed to have whatever opinion I feel like having, even if you don’t agree with it.
When I post statistics and observations that suggest a player is not playing up to his capabilities, that isn’t whining, that’s trying to have baseball discussion. If you don’t agree with it, then argue back, don’t just attack me for it.
I’m not “whining,” I’m “venting” about some of the poor play at times, because it’s a heck of a lot more fun to get into games than to just go “who cares it’s only June.” When I have real baseball analysis and you continue to attack me, that’s just sad on your part.
You aren’t the blog police, you aren’t the supreme authority on everything baseball. Calling people “children” like SJ does is just arrogant. You are as equal as all of us, just one poster on this ball with their own opinion.
I’ll admit I used to approach baseball the way Matt does. And I made a fool of myself, and then learned a bit, and decided that when the Yankees weren’t winning, I’d just remind myself that it wasn’t the end of the world, and that there was lots of baseball left, and find something else to do that night.
AND WHAT A PLAY BY GARDNER!
All the previous Brett Gardner haters, take a bow now.
Gardy and Grandy have been brilliant in the outfield today! WOW!
What a catch by the Gritser. Terrible job by Joba after going 0-2.
Take that catch and stick it, Dejesus
Jerkface,
Again, so what?
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If all you post is obnoxious garbage, no one will like you or care what you say. Since all you post is obnoxious garbage, no one likes you or cares what you say.
And because all you do is complain, and declare everything over or soon to be over AB to AB, you have no credability, since you spent last season dissing a team that went on to win a championship.
wow what a play by BG amazing!!!!
where did joba go… maybe clemens took his steroids.. i mean velocity away!!!
face palmed joba farnsworth, get it together Hut, get it together!
Joba’s got to be the worst setup man in the majors
Thank you, Colorado Yankee Fan. That’s the nicest thing anyone has said to me today.
So far.
Joba’s not throwing his slider for strikes.
macfan et al.
i think the point is that whining incessantly about something that the yankees are still performing better than any other team in the league is pointless. everyone sees it as our downfall, we can’t possibly win another world series like this… but i ask who is doing it better? who is showing the yankees up in the offense department?
no one.
So much for Joba becoming a lights out setup man as soon as he went back to the pen?
But I thought he was destined to be the closer and couldn’t start?
I’d rather have my starter have a rocky inning than my 8th inning guy in a 1 or 2 run game, especially when he is known to have tough times finding his control early on.
People say Joba has been unlucky because his peripherals are better than his ERA, but he hasn’t really been that great other than a stretch at the end of April/Early May. He makes too many mistakes right over the middle of the plate, and he doesn’t have good control of his pitches in the zone.
They need to pocket that slider and just fog it past the hitters.
Get him out of there, please!
Bautista clearly went around on that. Gardner got called for a strike earlier in which the bat barely came off his shoulders.
Up 1 he walks a guy. Unreal.
If that wasn’t a swing, then the one by Gardner in his first AB was DEFINITELY not a swing.
Unbelievable. The Home Plate umpire has actually been pretty consistent today. The 1B umpire, however, needs to go to the video room and spend a few hours learning what is a swing and what’s not.
Matt July 2nd, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Chris,
I don’t care what people think about my “act” as you call it. If you don’t like it, then ignore it, that’s your prerogative. I’m allowed to have whatever opinion I feel like having, even if you don’t agree with it.
When I post statistics and observations that suggest a player is not playing up to his capabilities, that isn’t whining, that’s trying to have baseball discussion. If you don’t agree with it, then argue back, don’t just attack me for it.
I’m not “whining,” I’m “venting” about some of the poor play at times, because it’s a heck of a lot more fun to get into games than to just go “who cares it’s only June.” When I have real baseball analysis and you continue to attack me, that’s just sad on your part.
You aren’t the blog police, you aren’t the supreme authority on everything baseball. Calling people “children” like SJ does is just arrogant. You are as equal as all of us, just one poster on this ball with their own opinion.
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CHILD PLEASE.
http://www.urbandictionary.com.....ild+please
Joba hasn’t been throwing his slider for strikes consistently since 2008.
It’s still amazing people want him as starter when he’s not even a capable reliever.
lol Joba. Slider on 3-1.
oops. I said 1B umpire. I should have said 3B umpire.
Carl Crawford would have already been settled under that ball and would have made the catch like routine. Gardner clearly has nothing on the legendary Carl Crawford.
i think Joe has lost lot of faith in DROB, i mean it’s okay to take over Joba if he doesn’t have it .
Get Joba out of this game!!! You can’t throw 3 sliders in a row to a batter if its not near the plate. They won’t swing at it and then you have to come in with a fastball. Joba acts like his slider is the best pitch ever and they will swing wildly in the dirt at it. This is the major leagues batters have seen it before you aren’t fooling anyone. Either throw your fastball early in the count or get out of the game.
Matt
i like your realistic contributions to this blog. We need somebody to not live in fantasy land thinking everything is going to be okay tomorrow.. when it obviously has been going downhill for weeks now!
When other teams hit impotent popups against us, theyre just foul balls. Our impotent popups are outs.
Someone tell me the last time someone swung at a Joba slider? 2007??
2 drives to the warning track off Joba. Cardiac Kid.
vinny-b July 2nd, 2010 at 3:19 pm
“You people make me want to claw my eyes out. Go back to the Playstation and play MLB 2010, I bet your team always does exactly what you want in that game”
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only because they play on ROOKIE level
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They THINK on rookie level, too.
I’m glad to see that Kyle Farnsworth’s spirit never really left the Bronx.
crawling towards Mo, one more out!
Well, Chamberlain hasn’t fooled anybody yet, so, maybe he gets out of this inning on luck.
# P- July 2nd, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Matt
i like your realistic contributions to this blog. We need somebody to not live in fantasy land thinking everything is going to be okay tomorrow.. when it obviously has been going downhill for weeks now!
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All the way downhill to first place.
Whew. good lord that was close.
Outs are outs, but Joba’s making this exciting…
Ace, he was flat filthy against the Diamondbacks.
Another fastball right down the middle.
There’s being a fan with open eyes and there’s being a huge mound of constant negativity. You are #2 Matt.
Flyout to the track, walk, flyout to the track, single. Ouch.
Anyone want to defend this fat toad??
yep, 16-10 in june… straight down hill.
Time to get Mo in, before Joba blows it once again.
We hit line drives, and theyre right at the defense. He hits a decently hit grounder, and it eludes everyone up the middle.
Joba is throwing 63% sliders on 3-2 counts this year when his fastball averages nearly 95 mph.
You’re a lot likelier to hang a breaking ball than a fastball. He just doesn’t pitch intelligently out there sometimes. Sliders are pitches you should be using when you are way ahead in the count and the hitter is afraid of your fastball, not to trick hitters when you have a good fastball.
Joba Irabu
73% of Joba’s appearances are scoreless. 18 base runners in 21.6 IP with 34 K and.
Joba, not so good when he gives up a run,.
Send Joba down to the minors. He doesn’t belong any more.
Time to give Robertson a shot in the 8th
When are they going to STOP putting Joba in the game? I mean seriously, this guy should be on mop up duty!
thanks, Joba
Lead gone.
seriously how can we be in first place with a relieve with a 1-3 record and 5.25 ERA??????
Joba cannot be trusted AT ALL
Joba’s immensely frustrating. He’s also immensely talented. And I don’t really trust Robertson much more as the 8th inning guy at this point.
Ugh. UGH.
F U Joba!
Couldnt just be a ground ball right at someone. We were 0 for 18 with RISP and couldnt …… find a ball to find a hole.
But they found a hole when it needed to happen. Exactly when it needed to happen.
I cant blame Joba. Just bad luck.
Is anyone surprised??!!! You learn how to pitch in the minors not in Yankees games. Joba is a joke.
Joba, you suck, plain and simple.
Final 4!!!!!Hup Holland Hup!
here comes the Joba meltdown. strap in folks.
.189 hitter ties it up vs. Joba
Yeah bet we wished we had scored with the bases loaded and 0 outs now.
Instead of this now.
I’d rather have Robertson at this point.
No win for A.J. too. Sucks.
He’s a disaster at this point.
But don’t worry, he’ll just tell the media they focus on the negative, even though the negative is virtually every other appearance.
I really don’t like this.
God I can’t stand Chamberlain anymore. No trust for him. :\
Genius Joe leaves Joba in to lose the lead and possibly the game….NO CHANCE MO CAN GO 4 OUTS, RIGHT ?……Stoopid Focker !
You’re not in this situation if you didn’t have the tremendous failures of earlier in the game with runners on base.
1 run, hard to shutout even a bad American League lineup, but even then Joba does not deserve to set up Rivera.
We have Robertson who has been good lately, and Marte who has found ways to get outs, even Park has been good his first inning, yet we continue to go to Joba who continues to be shaky every time out.
Couldnt get that little grounder one batter earlier.
Who wants pie?
Certainly might be worth trying Robertson. He’s been better as his command has improved. And Joba needs a kick in the rear. Again.
Another brilliant effort by our setup man Joba
Send Joba down to the minors. He doesn’t belong any more
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The danger of reading too many press-clippings early in one’s career.
He needs to get booed.
CR9 July 2nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Couldnt just be a ground ball right at someone. We were 0 for 18 with RISP and couldnt …… find a ball to find a hole.
But they found a hole when it needed to happen. Exactly when it needed to happen.
I cant blame Joba. Just bad luck.
It wasn’t luck, nor was it a seeing eye single. It was a hanging slider that got smoked. As were the other 2 loud outs to the warning track. Joba is a chump.
Yankeeeeeeeees!
At least he didn’t give up the lead, that’s all you can hope for from Joba at this point.
Someone convince Alex today is Saturday and it’s the ninth inning.
U can say it. This team screwed up Joba. He doesn’t belong in the 8th right now
Roger, congrats. Great match.
I took some pictures of a sweet Dutch futbol-mobile I saw on the way home. I’ll post later.
What a setup man.
LOL.
oh no! a 1-1 game vs toronto in july! what ever shall we do…
… and just think, if we lose (unthinkable, i know) and boston/tampa win… we’re going to fall all the way back to first place! the horror!
Can’t we win one effing game 1-0?
COME ON. WHO WANTS PIE!!!
Just trying to insert some positivity. lol.
There’s no way they can continue trotting him out there in the 8th. Heck, give Moseley a shot.
God, this bullpen sucks.
The putrid offensive performance hurts right now. They are at home, and it’s tied. They can still win this one. But Matt, on that point, there is no argument.
I don’t know if I can rip Joba too much for that inning.
Bautista: a 2-2 count is a lot different than a 3-1. If the 1B umpire correctly calls that “check swing” a strike, it’s a different count and perhaps a different result.
Lind: He hit a very weak grounder that took forever to get out of the infield. Yet Cano couldn’t get to it. In my opinion, he was positioned way too far towards 1B.
Hill: Hit a ball right at Rodriguez, but he’s a statue defensively right now.
Yeah, Joba isn’t reliable. But the defense let him down on two plays.
Seriously, Joba gives up 2 warning track fly balls, a walk, a hit, and Girardi STILL leaves him out there to give up the lead.
No other team would continue to rely on a 5.00 ERA reliever for the 8th inning every single time. But because it’s Joba the Yankees have endless patience and no accountability.
Has anyone seen a really good team with a pen this bad?
The Joba experiment is working right? The Yanks are messing up whatever career he has or will have by keeping him on this team. He needs to spend a couple of months in AAA. He never learned how to pitch and its very obvious. Slider, slider, slider fastball down the middle. Why don’t you throw 10 sliders in one inning??!!
Man… Joba’s making me look bad
Can’t complain when the O only gets one run. Esp with all the runners LOB. …… ummm, bases loaded, no out, middle of the order and no runs???? It’s not the pitching.
When Joba gives up a run in an appearance: 5.2 IP 23 H 6 BB 3 K
Ok, well Robertson has pitched in 27 outings and allowed runs in 7 of them. 74% of his outings are scoreless, not so far off from Joba?
But the difference is that Robertson has had scoreless outings in 8 of his 9 June outings, while Joba was at 9 of 12. Sometimes you have to go with the hotter hand in tight situations.
seriously how can we be in first place with a relieve with a 1-3 record and 5.40 ERA??????
seriously how can we be in first place with a relieve with a 1-3 record and 5.25 ERA??????
seriously how can we be in first place with a relieve with a 1-3 record and 5.25 ERA??????
seriously how can we be in first place with a relieve with a 1-3 record and 5.25 ERA??????
seriously how can we be in first place with a relieve with a 1-3 record and 5.25 ERA??????
seriously how can we be in first place with a relieve with a 1-3 record and 5.25 ERA??????
seriously how can we be in first place with a relieve with a 1-3 record and 5.25 ERA??????
seriously how can we be in first place with a relieve with a 1-3 record and 5.25 ERA??????
I think Joba just doesn’t have the makeup to be a good pitcher. He doesn’t seem to care to improve.
A grounder may og may not find a hole…. But he gives up a rocket to Gonzales, and then walks bautista… And it is really the walks that hurts… you just cannot do that
I actually don’t mind that Joba gave up a run…. We need some more walkoffs.
Hopefully MO can hold them in the 9th and we can hit one
COMPLAINING AND WHINING WILL HELP THE TEAM. PLZ TO KEEP IT UP.
RS = Nailed It, my friend !
Couldnt just be a ground ball right at someone. We were 0 for 18 with RISP and couldnt ?? find a ball to find a hole.
But they found a hole when it needed to happen. Exactly when it needed to happen.
I cant blame Joba. Just bad luck.
I blame him for the BB…and he had GOOD luck with BBGB’s catch……Yankees need a another guy for the 8th inning….Joba not in the circle of trust
“It’s not the pitching.”
Burnett was phenomenal. Chamberlain has a 9.00 ERA for the day. That’s his fault.
Joba stinks. Plain and simple. He should not be pitching in any situation that matters. He looks like he doesn’t even care any more. And he sure pitches like he doesn’t care.
God I can’t stand Chamberlain anymore. No trust for him
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Joba should have been traded in the past off-season.
Let him be someone elses project. The Yankees have enough talent in their system (Brackman, Betances, etc). They don’t need Joba.
lol… people wanted him to be a starting pitcher next year
At this rate, he won’t even be a Yankee next year
“Yeah, Joba isn’t reliable. But the defense let him down on two plays.”
To be fair, Gardner made an outstanding catch on a ball that should have been a double. Leadoff double and the Jays probably would have scored even if Cano and Arod could have gotten to those ground balls.
at best Joba is a number 4 starter.
Yes the hits weren’t hard hit, but the outs were almost all to the wall. Joba was getting smoked today, and the last hit was on a terrible slider to a weak hitter who hasn’t caught up to a fastball all day.
Joba gave up a grounder that happened to find a hole
How is that his fault?
“We have Robertson who has been good lately, and Marte who has found ways to get outs, even Park has been good his first inning, yet we continue to go to Joba who continues to be shaky every time out.”
Matt – EVERY time out?
what is your definition of EVERY?
Every time in 2010?
Every time in July?
Joba needs to be stripped of his role and his standing with this team.
If they don’t have the stones to send him down to the minors, then he needs to be a 6th inning type guy.
No more entrance music. No more fanfare. Stop treating him like a future star. He’s a flop. He’s a middling reliever.
And don’t give me the Yankees did this to him. He’s done it to himself. Hughes went to the pen and pitched brilliantly last year. This slob can’t show up unless Daddy threatens to take his Mercedes away.
Right now, he’s a cautionary tale about wasted talent.
Good job making Brett Cecil look like Sandy Koufax! If they lose this game it will be on the offense and Joba. I have no idea how they can keep running him out there like it’s 2007 again but it needs to stop. He sucks and this terrible offense needs to get things going if the Yankees are even going to make the playoffs!
Pretty ridiculous to say it’s bad luck.
A ball smoked to left that only a great catch by Gardner saved him.
A walk after getting ahead 0-2.
A tying single by a .189 hitter.
That’s not bad luck, that’s a horrible inning of work again by Joba.
They have to get him out of the 8th inning role.
He’s not pitched well all year.
That’s the fifth time this year he’s blown a late lead for the Yankees
Time to move on from Joba.
Chan Ho Park > Joba
Dustin Mosely > Joba
Hope Joba doesn’t have a year to year lease on where he lives in the NYC area, because he could be gone by Christmas
Rob B:
Granted, but Chamberlain is in a bad place if he’s even relying on his defense that much. He has dominant, swing-and-miss stuff. That’s why he is an 8th inning guy, hypothetically. But he’s not getting ahead, and he’s not finishing hitters when he has them down in the count. That’s on him.
Time to try out Alabaladejo and his new cutter and higher FB velocity
assuming anyone else will do better because joba is failing is foolish and stupid.
While the bullpen hasn’t been great this year, their failures aren’t so magnified if the offense does a better job.
I really don’t know what I hate more…. Joba or all these people here in this blog who still try to find excuses for him.
Yeah, Joba gave up a couple of rocket outs. But they were outs. He got two grounders that the defense couldn’t do anything with.
So, you can be frustrated about the rockets, but don’t blast him for the grounders. I won’t even blast him for the walk, since the batter got a huge assist from the 1B umpire.
Joba tells media after game, “I felt really good. Had really good stuff. Just some bad luck is all. I am not worried.”
There is no more Joba experiment. Joba is a relief pitcher for the entirety of this season, at least. Joba is to blame for Joba. Only Joba at this point.
However, he may benefit from a change of scenery.
Joba also could have very well cost us the Dodgers game with his key insurance run.
If Loney throws home instead, Joba would be the goat of that game.
Im sure we’ll get the usual Baghdad Bob routine from Joba about how he’s throwing so great, after this game.
Joba has not had an outing without allowing a baserunner since June 11.
I’d call that being shaky for quite a while. That’s 7 straight outings with allowing a baserunner, and in close games when you keep putting guys on, they are eventually going to start to score.
3 hard hit balls in the inning, right at them. More bad luck.
Yankee pitching has given up just 1 run in 8 innings.
This one is on the offense.
Is that pie I smell? AJ couldn’t win it but hopefully he will at least get to smash a pie in someone face!
I am so sick of Joba. That fat tub of lard has lost anything that he used to have.
This offense has turned into a joke, an absolute joke. Being shut down by good and crappy pitchers alike.
The 2 things haunting them. Pen and lineup.
Thanks Nick.I mean…we just won from Brazil!yeahhhhhhh baby
But it was teribble match.A lot of diving(we learned that from the Italians)and we played very poorly.Bud this time…I don’t care how we did it!
Go Yankees!
Matt,
The offense has to be able to win 1-run games.
Would it have made Joba’s performance more acceptable if he blew a 8-7 lead rather than a 1-0 one?
Bottom line – we have to be able to win close games. In the playoffs and against good teams, all games will be close.
Sure, the offense isin’t helping, but the larger problem is the pen’s inability to hold late leads.
Drob or Mo for the ninth? maybe Chop?
“Matt July 2nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Joba has not had an outing without allowing a baserunner since June 11.
I’d call that being shaky for quite a while.”
Yes, but would you call that EVERY time out.
What is your definition of EVERY?
And to think there was a discussion here how Joba will be in the rotation in 2011……..No way
That hit that tied the game wasn’t some grounder the defense couldn’t get to, it was a hanging slider that got smoked – not a seeing eye ground ball single. If he could throw some pitches with some bite instead of flat hanging sliders he’d get more outs.
When are you people going to wake up? The only reason why we are at where we are in the standing is because of great pitching. Our bats have been so horrid that a reliever cannot give up a single run without it effecting the outcome of this game. It’s absurd that this team has been so brutal offensively.
Reminder -> We are not going to stay in first place much longer if this keeps up. in the last month our offense has been 4th to last in .avg/runs.. You can’t keep playing keeping the pressure on pitchers so that they are concerned about giving up 1 or 2 runs.
Joba gave up a run.. yeah he isn’t the same Joba we all saw first come up… but giving up 1 run, for any club wouldn’t be such a big deal if their offense wasn’t as dead as ours is.
Something has to give.. I am beginning to think these bats aren’t every going to heat up this season.. they’ve shown ‘very little’ signs of life.
Irreverent Discourse,
Assuming nobody can do better because Joba is the “OMG 8th INNING GUY FUTURE CLOSER!!!” is foolish as well. If you never try, you never will know. Joba has been unreliable lately, so why not give someone else a chance until he straightens it out? They essentially demoted Robertson to mop up work for a while, why not take Joba out of such high leverage situations for a little while so he can focus on his mechanics?
Could you folks stop talking about luck?
Bad luck that the grounder found a hole, bad luck that we had 3 hard hit balls that found gloves
STOP IT
You create your own luck.
i can’t believe these idiot fans are booing OUR PITCHING
how stupid can u get
our piece of garbage offense has scored 7 runs in the past 4 games COMBINED
and they boo our pitching LOL
wow there are a lot of morons out there
and the lineup officially is in a massive slump
@Rob B: Get real. And stop blaming the ump. Joba just can’t do the job. You gotta keep your focus when you get ahead of a hitter 0-2 and finish him off.
“Joba needs to be stripped of his role and his standing with this team.
No more entrance music. No more fanfare. Stop treating him like a future star. He’s a flop. He’s a middling reliever.
And don’t give me the Yankees did this to him. He’s done it to himself”
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you are one of the fine posters on this blog.
I agree with all of the above
Who wants pie?
I think Granderson does!
omg cano is 0-4, he’s done. maybe we can trade for aaron hill…
I would rather try Robertson in the 8th inning and let him fail. At least he goes after guys. Joba is a total mess. I am tired of seeing his crappy slider pitch after pitch. He beats himself instead of getting beat. Slider, slider, slider, walk and hanging pitches over the plae.
Everytime I look at Chamberlain’s fat pie face on the television screen I want to punch him in the face.
It seems he thinks he is better than what he really is. Came in and pi$$ed away Burentt’s win.
Joba walking around with his 5+ ERA and blown games, like he has the cred of Mo or something.
U cannot let him pitch the 8th. That’s done.
I don’t assume anyone will do better than Joba, but he is killing this team during a time when the offense is pathetic.
And the offense is pathetic folks. What they did offensively in June was horrid. They are lucky to be in 1st place and can thank Mariano going 2 innings a few times and the starting pitching holding up for that to still be.
The offense has to get better. But Joba cannot be relied on anymore. I’d rather see Chan Ho Park go his 1 inning in the 8th right now, although Robertsen should handle that job.
Joba stinks. This isn’t a bridge jumping revelation. It’s watching this guy walk a tightrope and let his team down way too much.
He had to be visited by his pitching coach and pep talked by his catcher just to get through inning.
The guy looked like he’d rather be home in bed watching Netflix.
anyone complaining about our pitching knows nothing
Great Joba stat…hitters have reached base against him in ELEVEN straight appearances. That’s just pathetic.
If we lose this one to the slumping Jays I really am going to jump off a bridge but i fear it’s going to happen because I just can’t see us scoring again. This has not been an enjoyable game.
Of Joba’s 34 appearances, only 11 this year have been clean.
On the other hand, Rivera has had 30 appearances and has had 18 clean outings.
Pretty sharp contrast.
Continuing to put a guy out there to fail time after time is even dumber.
5.40 ERA.
Five late leads blown.
Hasn’t had a1-2-3 inning in nearly a month.
How much more do you have to see to continue to keep the guy in this role?
He hasn’t pitched well in over a year.
At this point, keeping him as the EIG guy is foolish.
It should be by committee until they find a hot hand.
Pretty ridiculous to say it?s bad luck.
A ball smoked to left that only a great catch by Gardner saved him.
A walk after getting ahead 0-2.
A tying single by a .189 hitter.
That?s not bad luck, that?s a horrible inning of work again by Joba.
They have to get him out of the 8th inning role.
He?s not pitched well all year.
That?s the fifth time this year he?s blown a late lead for the Yankees
You nailed it, SJ44.
WHEN YOU LEAVE PITCHERS WITH ZERO MARGIN FOR ERROR WHAT THE F DO U EXPECT
“Would it have made Joba’s performance more acceptable if he blew a 8-7 lead rather than a 1-0 one?”
Good point.
Jeez, those of you complaining about pitching….. have you noticed that so far we have scored 3 runs in 2 games against bottom feeding pitching?
Girardi’s loyalty to Joba is really starting to hurt.
There is only so much you can build up a guy with confidence until it is clear there is just not much there to work with.
Joba had nothing that inning. And it was painfully obvious.
He had zero command of his slider and his fastball was consistently leaking right back over to the heart of the plate.
Girardi was playing with fire leaving Joba out there.
The worst part about it is that unlike Tex there is no track record to fall back on. He doesn’t deserve this type of patience or loyalty.
Did you see where Joba just yesterday said his season so far had been great other than 4 outings ? The guy’s short a few marbles !!! He “prefers” so focus on the good times.
matt – because not a single reliever on our team outside of mo is pitching lights out right now? you give yourself the best chance to get those outs, and they still feel that person is joba. who do you trust in the pen more than him right now? robertson? every other week people love him/hate him/lovehim/hate him. you can’t make these decisions on a game-to-game basis. 2long outs and a flukey hit does not constitute a trend.
Granderson with the walk off HR?
lol @ creating your own luck. Baseball is a game that largely consists of luck. A near home run by Gonzalez and Wells were good luck to be outs. The singles by Lind and Hill were bad luck. How did Joba create both bad and good luck in the same inning. The only thing in that inning that was his fault was his walk – and even then, he was cheated on the check swing 2-1 pitch that should have been 2-2. The Yankees offense just scalded 3 balls in the eighth inning, and all found gloves. Bad luck.
Roger, it wasn’t a thing of beauty, and some of the Dutch did seem to go down easily (Robben makes a lot of funny faces), but the result made it all seem better.
I’m rooting for Netherlands vs. Uruguay next.
omg cano is 0-4, he’s done. maybe we can trade for aaron hill…
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Dude is 1 for his last 1, beastly! He even situationally hit an RBI
Rivera gets Toronto out in order and Granderson sticks one in the 2nd deck.
G. Love -
Hate to admit I agree with you on Joba right now.
Chamberlain has not cost us this game. Sure he didn’t help. Should the Jays win, it will be because we had bases loaded in the 3rd, no out and didn’t score.
kinda funny everyone is complaining about joba who makes like wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy less money than the people constantly sucking in our lineup lately
irreverent discourse-at this point i probably would give Drob a shot for couple weeks and see if he can do a better job. this is base on JOba’s performance so far this season.
Tell me why he can’t be consistent ! He’s got a “between the shoulders” problem as much as AJ .
. . . Should the Jays win, it will be because we had bases loaded in the 3rd, no out and didn’t score. . .
agreed
lol @ this guy that just got a hit. this guy aint gettin a hit against any Red Sox pitcher. EVER. I dont care if it’s against van Every again, or Bill Hall. He aint gettin a hit. But Hoffpauir put a nice AB and nice level swing on a pitch from Mariano Rivera!
Joba has no accountability. It was the same last year after each of his starts blew up.
i don’t trust a single person in any bullpen in baseball to go out and protect a 1 run lead… except for Mariano.
You just have to learn to accept the fact that middle relievers are who they are because they are just not good enough to perform other roles. “8th inning guy” is an absurd proposition and is just as made up as “saves”.
Mo not quite perfect today.
Cliff Lee pitched a complete game victory the other night and in his post game (Seattle feed in Florida), all he could talk about was what he did wrong. Joba does not do the same. Andy does. Joba does not.
Maybe if he focuses on his mistakes more than what goes right, he’d make more progress. Just a thought.
I appreciate that Joe has faith in his players – that’s a good thing – but at some point practicality has to kick in. Right now Joba sucks – just go with the freaking hot hand. If Robertson starts blowing up, go to someone else…………Just do it that way. This way is not working. This will be a bitter defeat if they lose, though of course much of that is on the offense.
GLove, there are no words about the offense. I had the game on at work and I said to myself that we probably weren’t going to score there – and I was right.
Joba has ruined Joba, not anyone else.
Mo is struggling with his command right now, too. That must be Joba’s fault.
. . . Tell me why he can’t be consistent ! He’s got a “between the shoulders” problem as much as AJ . . .
I think that should read: he has an “above the belt” problem unlike AJ.
Why was Joba left in? Because he is Girardi’s 8th inning guy no matter what. Wake up Joe. Without that catch by Gardner who knows how many Joba would have given up. The worst thing though was the walk. You can’t do that.
No, Joba doesn’t lose the game by himself, but you have to admit, he’s not performing well. Be it “LUCK” or whatever.
Rivera having a rare day off not being sharp.
Joba is just trying to make Cash’s life easier at the arbitration hearing.
Team player, that Joba.
He was safe.
I hate to say it, but I am getting a feeling that the Yankees just might not deserve this one today. They have been horrible at the plate and it might take another 8 innings to score one… and I think we all know we don’t have anything like 8 innings of scoreless relief in the ‘pen. Dammit!
Joba did blow the game. Even though the Yankees did squat and I do blame a potential loss on them (pathetic), the fact is, they still had the lead………..and Joba choked it away.
I don’t trust anyone in this pen except Mo (willing to give Roberston another shot as the EIG) and Cash is not going to be able to acquire another arm to slot in behind Mo. This is going to cost us big time in the post-season if we make it there; the pitching is starting to come down to earth. You have to score in baseball – not just prevent scoring.
It might take the Yanks another 5 innings to score a run.
That hit the bat!!
Even if you don’t take Joba out of the “set up role” Girardi has to react to the events unfolding in front of him.
When Joba has nothing it is usually obvious from the very first batter. And he does not have the capability to make adjustments during an inning.
When Bad Joba shows up, pull him out as soon as you can.
Girardi is just sticking his head in the sand like he did today if he leaves him in there in these situations.
If we win it in the 9th, wondering if Burnett will come out with some pie lol????
When a guy has struggled as long as Joba has struggled, you don’t just keep going to him.
You can but, you will lose.
This isn’t a bad week or two.
Look at his entire season.
Even when he has a scoreless inning, it’s usually 25 pitches and 1-2 baserunners.
The offense has been horrible for a month.
No question about that.
However, one run lead in the 8th inning, his JOB is to shut the door. He can’t do it.
Se have seen it all year.
So, change it up and make him EARN the spot.
If not, then they deserve what they get when he continues to fail.
Rivera does not have his command today!
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“# P- July 2nd, 2010 at 3:20 pm
what annoys me the most is when people ob this blog complain about tge people complaining and dont have a single fact to justify why people shouldnt complain.. not to mention those same prople minimalize just how terrible this team has been offensively for the past 6 weeks..pitching has been solid and winning games for us..
only cano and gardner are hitting (maybe swish). the rest is having worst season of their careers!
yet were not suppose to worry.”
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Wait you mean we shouldn’t be bathed in ecstasy about the Yankees fundamental hitting approach.
We’re terrible fans for being upset about the teams offensive approach.
The real fans don’t get upset only the fake ones according to some pundits here.
Lets Go Joba
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Macfan,
No. I mean that those here that pretend that there is nothing wrong drive me crazy. Optimism is okay, but Fantasy-ism is not. The offense has shown plenty reason to be concerned and they’ve proven thus far that they are not the same time as they were last year. Can they get hot and step it up? Sure, I believe they can.. but in the interim, I am not going to sugar-coat it. The offense stinks!
Part of my anger is the fact that in the off-season we made some really dumb move and tightened the purse after winning the WS. We had some real possibilities and instead we lose 2 great players to our offense, (which even last year showed some poor performance).. what would make the yanks think that replacing Damon with Granderson and Matsui with Glass Johnson .. and hoping that our aging players make it thru the season .. was somehow “acceptable”.
With my off-season frustration, and seeing what I expected come to fruition, is why I get so negative. I want nothing more than this team to perform and prove me wrong.
Do the NYYs catch a break here? It should would help if he did.
“. . Should the Jays win, it will be because we had bases loaded in the 3rd, no out and didn’t score. . .
agreed”
The sign of a great team is winning close games when your not scoring a lot of runs.
Joba did not do his job.
LGY, you’re right, he doesn’t – and that’s one reason Joba can’t be a starter. Of course, right now he can barely be a reliever.
If the yankees loose the offense has to take som of the, if not the majority of the blame…. A lot of wasted opportunities will eventually hurt you
We got a fair call. It hit the bat.
Nick
Not to worried about Ghana or Uruguay.Looking forward to tomorrow’s game between Germany and Argentina.
I’m rooting for a Holland vs Germany final
blah blah blah blah…
yeah, we get it… joba sucks right now and we shouldn’t be running him out there in tight spots but… do you offer a solution?
oh, we don’t have one… easier to just keep complaining.
Who wants pie?
Now, just score a run on a homer or two errors and a wild pitch. I don’t care which one.
Might not have Mo for tomorrow. 2 days in a row and 21 pitches today.
If Yanks lose it’s on the offense and Joba
Joba gave up that extra run in L.A., remember? That fact was lost because we came back, but what happens if we’d lost by that 1 run? You can’t do that as a reliever……….The Yankees need to try and fix him, so send him down. Sorry, I don’t care if he is one of the best arms on the team; results are what count. Let’s bring up Nova or someone and see if we can get results from them.
If the yankees loose the offense has to take som of the, if not the majority of the blame?. A lot of wasted opportunities will eventually hurt you
Agreed. Clearly Joba did not do his job. He has not done his job on numerous occasions this year and I agree it’s time to seek another EIG.
But having bases loaded, no one out and not even scoring one run is pretty sad, especially with the heart of your order up.
Teams are hitting .325 against Joba with runners on – Enough said! He can not be the 8th inning guy any more. This is on Joba and Girardi for leaving him in, and waiting for it to happen. How many games does he blow before Giradri says, no more?
“lose”
The Yankees “loose” is something entirely different.
The offense does not “stink.” The TEAM OPS is .791. That is fantastic.
The yanks could be 77-1 and some of you people would still be complaining about how they gave away the loss.
Goodness can we get a run already and win this game.
I don’t care how bad the offense has been, you have a one run lead in the 8th inning.
His job is to hold the lead.
How many people trust Joba Chamberlain to do that consistently? Raise your hands.
Thought so…..
He has stunk for a year. They have given him a half year to right himself. He hasn’t.
Time to make a change and try someone else.
If the Dutch play Uruguay and then beat the Germans, they will have beaten teams with a combined… what, 12 World Cup wins? 11?
That would be something.
Great day for AJ. Too bad the offense took the day off. The turning point was bases loaded, and no out, and we can’t push even 1 run across.
Scott Downs has always been nasty against Yanks
AJ has no business pieing anybody should they walk off. Lets see him pitch well a few more times first.
Listen, the offense is AWFUL right now. It’s as bad as I’ve seen it with this team remaining in 1st place.
But Joba blew a win today. He holds the 8th and Mo closes this and we win.
Great, now Cervelli and Gardner at the bottom of the lineup against a tough lefty
Remember when we had a circular lineup where everyone in the lineup hit at least 13 HRs?
I can’t believe anyone’s still bringing up Damon. How’s he doing right now? 3 homer runs, 20 rbi and a .260 BA in half a season.
I cannot fathom why some of you watch baseball. Even watching a good team gets you furious more than 1000 times a year? You practically have a stroke every day unless they go ahead 10-0 in the first inning and slowly pull away? (I believe it was Jacob Ruppert who said that.) What enjoyment do you get from the game? It’s supposed to be pleasurable to be a baseball fan, right?
I really thought the “loser” of the 5th starter battle in Spring Training should have been sent to AAA to work as a starter. The Yankees didn’t do that and put Joba in the pen. He certainly hasn’t been good. I would not be opposed to him going down to try and work out some issues. But if they send him down, do they do it as a reliever? Or do they make him a starter again?
Nobody in the pen, other than Mo, has proven to be reliable right now. It is not just a Joba problem. There is no easy fix, and all the whining and complaining won’t change that.
He better not use Mo for 2 innings today.
“# ben July 2nd, 2010 at 4:02 pm
The offense does not “stink.” The TEAM OPS is .791. That is fantastic.
The yanks could be 77-1 and some of you people would still be complaining about how they gave away the loss.”
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Are you watching the same hitting.
Earlier in the season the Yankees were doing a very good job, not so much recently in creating rallies.
It is Cashman’s fault that Joba is still here.
He has the power to send him down, not Girardi or Eliand.
Sending him down is the only resolution. He serves no purpose up here aside from a low leverage reliever, which we have several of already.
Joba never pitches in this game if the offense gets the job done with the bases loaded earlier in this game.
His role on this team is to protect close leads. Anytime he is in the game then you could say, well if the offense gets scores more than it is not Joba’s fault.
This is his job. And he failed again.
2-0 to Cervelli, cheap strike, grounder in the hole and a nice defensive play/more bad luck.
I can’t believe anyone’s still bringing up Damon. How’s he doing right now? 3 homer runs, 20 rbi and a .260 BA in half a season.
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Gardner’s numbers are a lot better than that.
The Yankees can’t expect to stay in first place playing like this…………
CHoP has not been bad when he is only used for one inning. The problem is, Joe G frequently tries to get him to go 2, and that’s when it starts to fall apart/
This is rough to watch. Seems like every guy at the plate will just pop up or ground out.
Thanks for extra innings Joba you loser.
To the 10th we go
Deeper we get into the pen, the worse off. Park? Gaudin? Mosely?
Better hope Robertson can get it done here.
2-0 and a weak popup. No weak popup getting out of play. All he had to do was get on base, steal a base, and we get our first hit with RISP in 3 days to win a game. But nope. Another weak popup.
Chan Ho Park isn’t even good for just 1 inning, he’s sucked in his first inning too. DFA him and get someone else on the roster.
How does Mo go out there game after game and throw 91-92 over and over with that cutter and yet Joba is all over the speed gun ? Not to mention the severe control problems about every third time along with shots hit off him almost every other time ? Plus the fact that he can’t maintain control with his slider hardly ever anymore.
Gotta be a lack of confidence or hardheadedness.
sj44 – keep harping on the same point.
who do you trust, in that spot? the answer is no one in our bullpen but mo…
someone has to pitch that inning though.
Not even close to getting a hit… Grandersons swing is as ugly as Jim Furyks… The difference is that it works for one of the gentlemens….
If I were Joba, I’d hide in the clubhouse from Mo and AJ right about now.
Girardi needs to send Joba a message in his post game and say the 8th inning role/setup role is no longer his.
Cervelli was out easily, that wasn’t “bad luck”.
Granderson was more of a close play. Still… want to avoid luck? Hit the ball out of the park. In this stadium, not too hard to do. Don’t rely on luck, take luck into your own hands.
A Rivera that’s not sharp and needed 21 pitches in his inning or a fresh Robertson. I go with Robertson, but, against their best hitters will be dicey.
Giving a guy a role he has been poor at all year doesn’t solve the problem.
Guess what? Sometimes, you have to win a 1-0 game.
When your EIG continues to fail, you lessen your chance of winning games.
When that happens, you remove the EIG from the role.
It ain’t that complicated.
“# Joba Farnsworth July 2nd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Thanks for extra innings Joba you loser.”
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Dude you don’t now how much I cannot stomach Chamberlain
His attitude alone is enough to annoy the heck out of me.
Guy thinks he has it made in the big leagues.
Will AJ even pie anyone today?
They blew his win, why should he? Let them pie Joba for being a clown
Some good luck. A scorched ball right at our CF.
Knicks close to signing Amare Stoudemire, this is similar to after 2008 if the Yankees had missed out on Tex, AJ, and CC, and only signed Adam Dunn.
“Listen, the offense is AWFUL right now. It’s as bad as I’ve seen it with this team remaining in 1st place.”
Over the last month, the team’s OPS was .737. The league average is .740. Tampa Bay, who has the 3rd best record in baseball, has a SEASON OPS of .741.
If this is the worst you’ve ever seen the offense, you haven’t been paying attention to baseball for very long.
keep expecting the rest of our bullpen to be lights out like mariano, who is a freak of nature and the greatest of all time… you must enjoy being disappointed all the time, it’s the only explanation.
@joba Farnsworth, not happening anytime soon. Cashman loves Chan ho!
Sox offense minus Cameron, Ellsbury, Pedroia, Varitek, V-Mart is better than our full strength offense.
Cecil is the worst pitcher we are facing this week too, BTW. Romero has a 1.88 ERA in his last month, Morrow has been lights out during that time as well.
I’ll take 3 hard hit outs right now.
Another weak popup by Wells that easily finds its way out of play. Make that a second weak foul off out of play.
Dude you don’t now how much I cannot stomach Chamberlain
His attitude alone is enough to annoy the heck out of me.
Guy thinks he has it made in the big leagues.
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No, trust m dude, I DO KNOW
Yankees hitting below the league average is awful.
Joba needs a few months away from the steaks in NYC and go back to hamburger in the minors.
Maybe when he has to carry his own luggage he’ll start to work on learning how to repeat his mechanics.
sj44 – you must be a republican.
“# Northy July 2nd, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Not even close to getting a hit… Grandersons swing is as ugly as Jim Furyks… The difference is that it works for one of the gentlemens….”
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Granderson has an open stance that makes it near impossible to hit lefties when the pitch is away and low to him.
He tries to go to left field against them but he ends up hitting weak ground balls to 3rd or shallow pop flys to left field.
the difference between .737 and .741 is what… a walk? 2 hits? come on…
SJ44,
what other option do the Yankees have? their entire bullpen, outside of Rivera, is pitching like crap. i am sure Joe G wishes he had another option to go to but right now you just have to hope Joba can right the ship.
Iffy eighth inning relief. That’s a problem that no other team in the majors has, right?
Most teams don’t even have a reliable closer, and we’ve got people whining about unreliable middle relief.
Wow, Toronto must be late for a bus! 5 pitches. Nicely done, DR.
Who would I trust in that role right now?
ABJ. Anybody but Joba right now.
I would use Robertson in the role right now because he has pitched better than Joba for the last two months.
It’s ridiculous he hasn’t been given the chance yet given the way Joba has pitched this year.
the GM formerly known as Cashman now as Cashmoney! July 2nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm
@joba Farnsworth, not happening anytime soon. Cashman loves Chan ho!
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Well of course, he already DFA’d Winn, and is taking his lumps with NJ on the DL – it would amass to admitting he made yet another boner this past offseason
# ben July 2nd, 2010 at 4:02 pm
The offense does not “stink.” The TEAM OPS is .791. That is fantastic.
The yanks could be 77-1 and some of you people would still be complaining about how they gave away the loss.
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Ben,
You’re dreaming. This team the last 5 weeks offensively stinks !! Are you even watching the games? Who cares what their OPS is when they can’t score runs??
Who cares what any stat says when you are watching the games seeing the struggle on a game to game basis? You don’t need stats when you actually watch the game. The offense has been horrible, worse than I have seen the Yanks hit in a very long time.
ID,
Why do you keep bringing up Mo? No one is expecting the EIG to pitch like Mo.
But, Joba has not even been remotely effective.
There is somewhere between Godly and terrible for a reliever.
SJ has offered his solution about 5 times already.
Go with the hot hand.
Robertson looks away better than Joba lately….
Robertson looks really good today. Girardi needs to give him a chance in the 8th inning. No more of this Joba bs.
Gets 2 quick outs, 2 quick strikes and they try to trick ‘em.
i guess offering up joba for cliff lee wouldn’t get us anywhere anymore. the yanks would probably have to add to that deal just to get the M’s to take him off our hands.
I agree Joba has done nothing to make himself the eight inning guy, but who would replace him? It has only been of late teams don’t do eighth inning by committee.
Irreverent Discourse,
no one is expecting the bullpen to be completely lights out. just not routinely surrender runs. is that really so outlandish?
Way better, that is-but as soon as I type it he walks a guy
waka flocka July 2nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
SJ44,
what other option do the Yankees have? their entire bullpen, outside of Rivera, is pitching like crap. i am sure Joe G wishes he had another option to go to but right now you just have to hope Joba can right the ship.
Marte and DR have been pretty good numbnuts.
ben, you just made my point. A .737 OPS for the Yankees is bad. If they remain at that OPS for the season they won’t win the division. They’ve never won the division with a league average offense.
I think the Yanks must lead the majors in walking guys after getting ahead 0-2. They shouldn’t be so scared of their stuff.
in your opinion SJ what is wrong with Joba? Mechanics? Mental? Stuff just gone?
The only thing Robertson couldn’t do was walk a horrible hitter like Wise, and he does it despite the fact he gets ahead 0-2. Simply unforgivable.
the Posada-haters are in tears again.
wow Cisco can’t do anything right.. may have just cost us the game.
Teams run wild on Cervelli
0-2 with 2 outs in the inning. And the guy is on 3rd. Gardner with a 2-0 count with 2 outs in the inning, weak popup to end inning.
LGY – there is no hot hand, which is my point.
Roberston is averaging over 1 baserunner per inning, just like joba and everyone else in our pen.
Bad, bad throw could cost us the game.
Twice in one day for the lowly Aaron Hill? Anyone?
Looked like an interference error on Cano.
Yikes, throwing error and two passed balls for Cirvelli today
Umpire missed strike 3 to Wise.
You knew Wise was running if he got on base. That’s why Robertson can’t walk a guy who can’t hit. Just awful.
joba farnsworth – and marte is pitching WORSE than joba right now… christ you’re all insane.
Too close for comfort.
C’mon. Top of the order
We had this bullpen conversation last season, then came Hughes & later Robertson……Will the Yanks come up with something like that again….Robertson looks like he’s turning the corner, it’s Joba who is perplexing
Alright. Good luck to end the inning. This piece of …. and his 190 BA, Aaron Hill. Scumbag.
That was Cano’s fault not Cervelli’s. It was a perfect throw. They would have had him if Cano picks it. No harm done though.
Boom. Make Robertsen the 8th inning guy. He’s better than Joba right now.
GLove, no they won’t; the Sox offense blows the Yankees’ offense away right now and it’s not close. Fans can just hope and pray and even have faith that the hitters will remember who they are, but until that happens, facts are facts. It’s hard to win when you can’t score.
Top of the order – Pie Time!
CR9: Maybe, but Gardner can at least field his position well (which is something that can’t be said about certain other guys who station themselves on that side of second base).
boone logan was the second best reliever in our pen to dave robertson over the last month… and you people couldn’t WAIT til he got gone…
Top of the line up….win the game now…please…
And with the throw away by Cervelli and the guy on 3rd, it’s possible Gardner was played differently than if the runner was on 2nd, making that liner right at him.
“LGY – there is no hot hand, which is my point.”
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Robertson had a 1.00 ERA, with a 1.3 WHIP and 1 SO per inning in June.
Robertson isn’t quite turning the corner -I agree with RConn, there is no excuse for walking anyone, nevermind Wise, in a tie game. This pen stinks.
ID,
Nope. Died in the wool Liberal Democrat.
I just don’t see how you keep a guy in a role in which he has been poor at all year when you can go to Robertson and see how he does. Or, go with a committee setup for awhile.
Why be fixed on one guy who clearly isn’t getting the job done? It makes no sense.
That inning should have been over with 3 batters. It’s a problem with having a young battery. They get the quick outs and quick strikes and try to get “veteran” on the experienced hitters or the light hitting subs. and end up getting in trouble.
Robertson had the same type of inning as Joba, except Robertson had better luck.
How about some guys who can blow the ball by people and not walk anyone… like Hughes last year?
LOL, do we realize this is a reeling Toronto team
They just finished getting swept by the Indians in a 4 game series
They are now .500 @ 40-40
They have lost 9 of 11
Yet the Yankees can’t get a run off of them to win this game, at Yankee Stadium.
here comes capt ground out
# Dylan July 2nd, 2010 at 4:16 pm
That was Cano’s fault not Cervelli’s. It was a perfect throw. They would have had him if Cano picks it. No harm done though.
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A perfect throw? What? A perfect throw doesn’t hit the dirt a couple of feet in front of the fielder’s glove.
Dylan July 2nd, 2010 at 4:16 pm
That was Cano’s fault not Cervelli’s. It was a perfect throw. They would have had him if Cano picks it. No harm done though.
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If the throw is left and in the dirt, it wasn’t a perfect throw…not even a good throw.
I personally think Joba’s velocity is a tick off so he is over-throwing his fastball, which in turn is affecting his fastball command. I also think he throws too many sliders. So basically fastball command and too many sliders/pitch selection. I still think he will turn it around though.
RD July 2nd, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Robertson had the same type of inning as Joba, except Robertson had better luck.
What luck? Joba was hanging sliders and giving up loud outs and screaming grounders. Robertson actually threw good pitches.
Robertson is the best of a bad bunch, but he is far from reliable.
His last outing, he walked one and gave up a hit in 0.2 of an inning before Marte bailed him out.
Today, he was living on the edge as well.
Let’s not act like D-Rob is pitching lights out. He isin’t giving up runs, but he is putting guys on base all the time.
Robertson is pitching to a 1.30 ERA since Mid-May.
He’s not a better alternative to a guy who is pitching to an almost 6 ERA in the same period of time?
Jeter with a ground out – I DONT BELIEVE IT
More bad luck… Jeter hits it hard right at the 3rd baseman
This offense is never going to score.
Here’s the yankee bullpen over the last month…
Robertson – 9 innings, 8 hits, 4 walks, 1 ER
Logan – 7.2 innings, 7 hits, 5 walks, 2 ER
Joba – 10.2 innings, 12 hits, 4 walks, 5 ER
Park – 11.2 innings, 11 hits, 4 walks, 7 ER
Marte – 5.1 innings, 2 hits, 5 BB’s, 4ER
Gaudin – 12.2 innings, 12 hits, 7 BB’s, 7ER
What makes you think ANY of these guys can be trusted? stop crying about joba… they all suck right now.
Hurry up so we can go to 11!
Jeter with a well hit ball, and another nice play to his left by Hoffpoooooooir.
i hope AJ brings out the pie.. we all need some excitement incl. nyy because watching them play lately is about as dull as it gets!
for the record, robertsons 9 innings 8 hits 4 walks can NOT be trusted, the 1ER is an outlier.
and Swisher swings at 2 pitches rather than be patient and try and work a walk.
Cervelli has a pretty strong throwing arm, but, it’s not good enough to be throwing from his kness all the time. It’s a bad, lazy habit.
“# Joba Farnsworth July 2nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm
here comes capt ground out”
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The captain might be entering his sunshine years.
Happens to the best of us.
Will still cheer him till the last out, but I can help but recall when Bernie was done.
JN: Bad luck? Jeter hits it hard? Hardly.
“for the record, robertsons 9 innings 8 hits 4 walks can NOT be trusted, the 1ER is an outlier.”
Bingo. People need to stop looking at ERA. Robertson is better than Joba, but he is not the long term solution.
Even with his bad ERA Marte is holding LHB to a .167/.225/.306 line this year. 531 OPS.
Match up with Robertson and Marte in the 8th.
And in the meantime see what CHOP can give you in 1 inning stints.
Joe Nickels July 2nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm
More bad luck… Jeter hits it hard right at the 3rd baseman
This offense is never going to score.
Again with the luck. It would have had to be well placed to get through, and even then it probably wouldn’t, wasn’t hit that hard.
The Yankees have not had a baserunner since the 7th inning. This is entirely on the offense, and there is no excuse for 1 run in this game being on the board for them.
Macfan: You remember how quick the Yanks were to dump Bernie? I doubt they’ll operate with the same alacrity when it comes to Jeter’s decline.
U know what’s looking foolish? All the people that wanted Joba starting.
LGY – this is all conjecture… “see what you can get” is exactly what the yankees are doing… they just aren’t doing it with the particular underperforming pitchers you want them to.
Nickels,
Stop sounding like CR9
Every fielded ball is not a result of bad luck.
None of the balls in the last 2 innings have been hit hard by us.
Irreverent Discourse, I’ll take the first guy ( Robertson ) for 100
Totally subjective observation, but it seems like Joba gets behind early in the count throwing sliders, and then either walks the batter or throws an ill-placed fastball. I think if threw more fastballs earlier in the count and concentrated more on fastball location then velocity he would have better results.
Our best two relievers outside of Mo are on the DL: Aceves and Mitre.
When they return it will hopefully be a huge boost for the pen.
This is physically painful to watch
Yankees being “flummoxed” by offspeed pitches. Theyre a fastball hitting team. Shocking.
Thats not good…
ace – you know what looks foolish? assuming that joba’s performance this year in the pen has any relevance to his ability to start.
5 singles in 10 innings
Stop looking at ERA? I guess looking at earned runs allowed is bad now
Glad to see Tex is earning his pay, grounding out weakly and jogging to first.
10 Yankee batters in a row have been retired.
and 1-2-3 we go.
Only a matter of time before TOR scratch one across
@macfan, almost CHOP time, u ready?
Unreal, the Yankees are begging Toronto to steal this game, with 1 HR which the Blue Jays are capable of doing since they lead the majors in homers.
@irreverant. Because crappy relievers ALWAYS make good starters. Spare us
# Chris July 2nd, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Glad to see Tex is earning his pay, grounding out weakly and jogging to first.
Hes hurt you idiot.
pat m – theres no difference between what drob has done and any of those other pitchers, the only difference is that roberston spread out his 8 hits and 4 walks in the 9 innings, and the other guys have good/bad days where all the hits and walks come at once.
Tex with his customary slump after a couple of good games. This dude might not see higher than .235-240 all year. Whenever he looks like he is about to break out, he has an 0-5 performance and slides right back.
LGY – this is all conjecture… “see what you can get” is exactly what the yankees are doing… they just aren’t doing it with the particular underperforming pitchers you want them to.
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How are they doing this?
No roles in the bullpen have changed since the beginning of the season?
Joba is still pitching the 8th, despite pitching worse than our other options.
I could care less if the other options are not perfect. If they were they would have started the season as the EIG.
I do know that our EIG right now sucks and it can’t hurt to try someone else there. Especially since those other options are pitching better than Joba.
Chan Ho is pitching like a tasty bowl of spicy yukejang in his first inning of work.
By the second inning he smells like spoiled kimchee.
“# the GM formerly known as Cashman now as Cashmoney! July 2nd, 2010 at 4:26 pm
@macfan, almost CHOP time, u ready?”
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Naturally he will have to give up his prerequisite run.
Rut roh…
LGY – 6 different pitchers have made appearances in the 8th inning for the yankees this season, what are you watching?
This horrible offense may cost us the game.
The chances of the Yankees scoring another run doesn’t look good. Cano has to make that play but the balls have been smoked in this inning.
And here we go, to be expected.
“ace – you know what looks foolish? assuming that joba’s performance this year in the pen has any relevance to his ability to start.”
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How is this foolish?
How can you expect a guy who can’t even pitch 1 inning be able to pitch 6-7 innings?
Thats why they teach you to get in front of the ball in little league. That should be an error on Cano.
Game over. Losing three out for to the Mariners and the Jays. And people think we’re still a good team?
First time Robertson has worked a second inning all year.
wooo yeah robertson – this guy TOTALLY should have pitched the 8th inning…
lol…
There’s your ballgame…. What an awful showing all around by this Yankee team…
The should all be spank next to the pond in Central Park
“LGY – 6 different pitchers have made appearances in the 8th inning for the yankees this season, what are you watching?”
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The 8th inning =/= the set up role.
Those games could have been blowouts, tie games, etc.
Not at all the same.
Guys jog the last third of the way to first all the time on every team.
lol. 2 hard hit balls. 1 hole found and 1 should-be-out. 2 baserunners. That 2nd pitch to Hoffpoooooir was a strike.
The poor Cubs. They’ve allowed 4 hits and the only homer was an early solo homer. They’ve allowed 8 runs, now. 6 walks, an error and two hits scored 7 runs. Lou must be going crazy.
4 hits in 10 innings…
Why in the world would you throw a curveball to a guy who is clearly trying to bunt?
That’s just not intelligent pitching out there.
spanked
LGY – and the setup/closer role is totally misused in MLB to chase a made up stat. what’s your point?
Robertson is probably tired. He hasn’t be used a lot recently. I don’t like walking Lewis here it doesn’t give Robertson any wiggle room. Just pitch to him.
GB7 – i was just watching that, what an inning… poor lou lol…
seeing Chan Ho Assault and Battery Park warming up gives me the chills
SO FRUSTRATING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Moo: If he’s hurt, why is he still in the game?
@Moo: If he’s hurt, why is he still in the game?
“LGY – and the setup/closer role is totally misused in MLB to chase a made up stat. what’s your point?”
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Now you are just changing the argument.
That’s the reality of MLB. That is what we are dealing with.
Like it or not there is a defined “set up role.” Joba is in that role.
Citing the 8th inning is meaningless though.
Mariano is one of those pitchers because he got a 4 out save at one point. It could have been a blowout. It could have been a day Joba was closing so someone else was pitching the 8th inning. The list goes on and on.
The fact is though that Joba has been the set up guy this entire season and nothing has changed in that department.
thats is. later boys.
who was talking about the red sox offense before? betsy?
they can barely field a team right now with varitek out(kevin cash starting catcher? rofl)… who cares how hot they were over the interleague stretch?
wow SERIOUS hanger right there
LOL! Had him 0-2! Just over the head of our leaping 3B. Scalded ball, but bad luck to just elude our 3B. If that’s us, it’s scalded right at the 3B. LOL!
Over the statue and into left field.
why in hell didn’t he go to Mo with 2 out in the 8th?
ANYBODY!!!?????
Oh god not Park…
Line up the ass’s…. I am furious
Now the Blow J’s break the game open and the Yankees look like the chumps they’ve been playing like.
This isn’t on Robertson. How about our pathetic offense scores more than one run over 10 innings? 5 hits, 6 walks, 1 run. No excuse, that’s beyond pathetic.
this isn’t going to be anything that any of you want to hear but the fact is Joba has been extremely unlucky this season. his ERA is over 5.00 while posting an xFIP of 3.22. his line drive percentage is down, his ground ball percentage is up, and he is still striking out guys. sooner or later his numbers are going to reflect the way he is actually pitching.
Not gonna win too many games with 5 singles and an immature setup man
Ouch, this looks to be a very painful loss……… then again, they don’t deserve to win this game.
The inadequacies are really starting to show. Sorry for not sugar-coating it.
# Chris July 2nd, 2010 at 4:34 pm
@Moo: If he’s hurt, why is he still in the game?
Did I say he was f’n injured? Log of your computer.
The umpire called a ball on Buck that was literally right down the middle of the plate. What.
Enough to make you sick
Losing to this Blue Jays team that came in reeling and on their way to mediocrity.
# Chris July 2nd, 2010 at 4:34 pm
@Moo: If he’s hurt, why is he still in the game?
Did I say he was f’n injured? Log off your computer.
Hopefully, this will be a productive loss.
The front office now knows they need another full time bat and at least two bullpen arms.
Terrible pitch calling by Cervelli. Make Gonzalez a crap hitter, prove he can hit your fastball. The Yanks need a veteran behind the plate. Cervelli’s pitch calling recently has been very bad. Robertson hangs his curvbell very often you can’t call for that pitch with 2 strikes.
tex and granderson are hitting 232.. tex sucks……..
2010 Jays are the 2009 Orioles. Scumbags. As John Flaherty says, Max effort….against us.
Terrible pitch. Terrible game. Terrible result. Terrible team right now.
If they lose this game, they should be ashamed of themselves. The Blue Jays pretty much handed them an easy win and they did their best to keep them in the game, and now they are paying for it.
Bad bullpen handling by Joe today.
Why in the world would you throw a curveball to a guy who is clearly trying to bunt?
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Pitches with movement are harder to bunt
i’m out of here, i’m losing track of what i’m talking about.
have a nice 4th weekend everyone.
Chop Vs Bautista, gonna be epic!
Irreverent Discourse,
You must be from Pocatello, Idaho.
The Yankees offense today has been an absolute DISGRACE
It’s on Robertson as well – he has to do a better job. The Yankees have played a **** poor game in every respect today.
Terrible pitch calling by Cervelli. Make Gonzalez a crap hitter, prove he can hit your fastball. The Yanks need a veteran behind the plate.
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You mean Alex Gonzalez, who according to fangraphs only has a positive run value against fast balls?
Is this a baseball site?
I repeat: Why didn’t Mo come in with 2 out and a 1 run lead in the 8th with 2 on????!!!???
Please HELP!!!!
Chris judging by your comments I suspect you’re a burger flipper…..How many burgers do you drop, over cook or under cook…….Unless of course you’re the greatest and most perfect of all burger flippers ?????
Just think, if they trade Sloba for Lee they won’t need an 8th inning guy as Lee will pitch late into games. Of course, Sloba doesn’t have any real trade value.
The Yanks have no one to blame but their pathetic offense and Girardi’s and the organization’s blind love for Joba. If Robertson was pitching like Joba he would never be pitching the 8th inning. When Farnsworth was as dreadful as Joba he didn’t pitch the 8th inning anymore. It’s not fair to the other 24 guys to keeping running Joba out there.
It would have been nice if we could have gotten a hit with RISP- too many missed opportunities
When you can’t score more than 1 run against the Toronto Blue Jays in your home ballpark and your starter throws shutout baseball you deserve to lose.
The Blue Jays were blowing chunks coming into this game.
Didnt we have the bases loaded with 3-4-5 coming up, none out???
Jerkface,
Pitches that are down in the zone are easy to bunt, even if they have movement on them. You are trying to put a bunt down on the ground, downward movement doesn’t faze you because you are trying to push the bunt that way anyway.
Especially when you throw 92-93 like Robertson does, you have to throw high fastballs and try to get him to pop that up. Poor fundamentals for the Yankees, and good ones for Jays, are the difference in this game.
You have a number of bats in decline phase, not much you can do about it, but insulate the lineup with a Willingham type bat, someone who can get on base and has power.
Jeter is 36, and just can’t get on base like he used to – that’s not going to change. A-Rod is still plenty effective, but he’s clearly dipped from last year.
Tex is a much larger problem.
anyone in the pen besides Mo who doesn’t have an ERA over 5? I thought this is the year of the pitcher?
You take that little trip toward 1st with a -3-2 count its an automatic out with these umps.
I hate you Chan Ho Park. I hate you so much. That was a ball.
Stop with the “Joba has been unlucky” nonsense.
Watch the game instead of reading a stat sheet.
He’s pitched like crap this year.
They have to blow up the entire bullpen today because Joba Chamberlain can’t get 3 outs in the 8th inning. Please, enough with the excuses.
He got beat by a guy hitting .189.
If he needs better “luck” to get .189 hitters out, he belongs in Scranton.
The offense has been terrible. No question about that.
However, when you have a one run lead in the 8th inning, your EIG has to get the job done.
If he can’t, and he hasn’t for most of the season, its time to do something different.
# Michelle July 2nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Terrible pitch calling by Cervelli. Make Gonzalez a crap hitter, prove he can hit your fastball. The Yanks need a veteran behind the plate. Cervelli’s pitch calling recently has been very bad. Robertson hangs his curvbell very often you can’t call for that pitch with 2 strikes.
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Oh really ! No curves when you ahead 0-2 !!! How old r u ? 5 or 6 ?
I dont understand. These same guys wont argue a strike 3 call in the other batter’s box against the Red Sox. But here they are getting thrown out. Scumbags.
“You mean Alex Gonzalez, who according to fangraphs only has a positive run value against fast balls?”
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It’s better than getting beat by your 2nd best pitch like Joba and Robertson did today.
I’m tired of this. The Yankees have been flirting with disaster for a month now, just barely beating teams that they should have killed. They’ve been successful (17-10 June) but when you really dig deep, most of these wins have been close – too close to sustain any kind of winning streak.
The Yankees offense needs to WAKE UP, we need Aceves back and Cash needs to find a quality middle reliever. Without that, we might squeak it into October, but thats it.
“# mick July 2nd, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Didnt we have the bases loaded with 3-4-5 coming up, none out???”
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According to some on here that wasn’t a big deal, we still had a 1-0 lead.
Who needed more runs with our stellar bullpen and all.
Getting thrown out on a pitch right down the middle.
Is this the real SJ44? Or an impostor?
Question SJ:
Did you have season tickets to the 1927 Yankees?
And they need to trade Joba. He’s the new Farnsworth.
Someone tell me why he left Joba out there with 2 men on and Mo in the pen in the 8th????
Doesn’t anybody care to answer???
Please….
This is Robertson’s first time all year he has pitched a second inning. That’s not what he does.
That’s what happens in extra inning games. Everybody gets out of roles.
The game should have been won in 9 innings and you wouldn’t have to blow up the bullpen.
Unfortunately, that wasn’t the case today.
Yankees won a ton of games they had no business winning last year, and here’s another game that should have been won that goes for a loss.
Thanks again, Joba.
Ouch, the pen is in dire straits for tomorrow……..Andy has to give us innings
Matt, have you ever been in the box and actually attempted to bunt against a professional pitcher, or even a High School pitcher ?????/
Come on Park. This bullpen is a mess.
DFA! DFA! DFA! DFA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE PARK!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate you Chan Ho Park. I hate you so very much.
LOL! Good job Choppy! You strike a guy out and then walk a runner in! Choppy! Choppy! Choppy!
More suckitude by CHOP
This game is over in 9 innings with an easy Yankee win if they just tack on even 1 run in that bases loaded, no out situation.
Don’t even think about blaming the pen, they haven’t hit a lick all game against mediocre relief pitchers and a starter who had no idea where the ball is going.
Chan Ho should go. You can NOT walk in a run, especially in the 11th inning. Thats just a crime. Throw effing strikes.
Looks like Chan Ho has diarrhea of the right arm.
What a pathetic display by this team today.
These players on offense should hang their heads in shame at their approach in this game and to recent games.
Just awful
Park really is garbage…I mean walking a guy who is 0-for-5
Their guys were willing to take a BB with the bases loaded. Actually, 2 of them. Choppy! Chop Chop Choppy!
SJ44,
retreating to the old ‘i watch the games with my eyes, not a stat sheet’ argument i see.
game over….there is always tomorrow….it is AMAZING we have the best record in baseball and a bullpen of ONE PERSON (MO) that can actually pitch in a tight spot…..FUDGE !
Chan Ho Must Go LOL HAHAHA that is the new rallying cry
# mick July 2nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Someone tell me why he left Joba out there with 2 men on and Mo in the pen in the 8th????
Doesn’t anybody care to answer???
Please….
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Only thing I can see is because you’re not the mgr. LOL
You people are beyond unresponsive.
I ask why he leaves MO in the pen when we need 1 out in the 8th with a lead and there is no response?
Pathetic.
Either there is no baseball knowledge or you just don’t care.
My least favorite Yankee. Get that bum out of NY!
seriously how much longer are we stuck with Park?
Sadly my gut feeling was right — bringing in Chan Ho Park is tantamount to conceding the game
Nighty- nite.
Can we just have the 2009 team back?
Chan Ho Park couldn’t pitch for my son’s little league team.
Anymore Pollyannas want to praise this team??
Pathetic. Pathetic Pathetic.
Remember the Blue Jays just got swept in a 4 game set by the CLEVELAND INDIANS.
They had no life in this game, none whatsoever. If the Yankees just played even mediocre baseball today, Toronto would have given up and gone home. Instead, they kept them undeservingly close in this game and are about to lose one of the most pathetic games all season.
SUPER PICK UP, CASHMAN !…Chan Ho Park is SO GOOD….we REALLY WANT HIM on our team when it becomes playoff time…..COMPLETE BUM !
Chan Ho Must Go
Another game thrown away. Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A nice HBP of Aaron Hill. Too bad it wasnt harder!
joba is pitching to the tune of a 3.22 xFIP.
mariano is pitching to the tune of a 3.21 xFIP.
Mo has good luck, or Joba has bad luck. You can’t pick and choose what you wish to believe.
DFA Park. Please, blow this bullpen up.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
DISGRACEFUL!!!!
Now he is gonna get a REAL Yankee thrown at!
Stupid pos waste of a bullpen.
damn, was really hoping the ump would run Park after the HBP. do what Girardi can’t and get this bum off the mound.
Nice picking up your teammate Chan No
Game…time for the old DFA…do it tonight for g-d sakes.
That got ugly in a hurry. Cashman needs to make a move.
Why bring your mop up man in a 1 run game??
WHY???????
at least we can all agree on one thing: Chan Ho Park really has no role on this team.
Don’t worry tomorrow Romero will shut us down and we will just have to
TIP OUR CAP
to the opposition pitcher, its not the Yankees fault, the pitchers they face are too good.
This offense disgusts me.
Sick of seeing Jeter ground outs
Granderson popups
ROFL, way to go Park, L.M.A.O
Cashman : calm down guys, Chop has good stuff , he will turn it around.
Another game thrown away. 1 out from Mariano and down the tubes it went.
Jays just love to play yankees.
The offense disappeared. LOL
I remember Robertson pitching more than 1 inning last year, so I don’t know what’s changed. Maybe the Yankees should let him pitch multiple innings – this would give them more options. On the list of players to blame, I admit Robertson is way down here. The offense is 90% to blame, then Joba because he was still given a lead and he blew it. This is nothing new – the Yankees have major holes, but as Rconn said, there’s not much you can do about the aging process. I don’t know if Jeter is struggling because he’s old – he had a great year last year. Alex is not healthy – Tex has been beyond awful. If those guys don’t pick it up, then nothing Cash can do will help.
Time to moped it to the beach…….
It’s the offense, or lack of it.
Now, someone answer me this : Doesn’t Joba need a kick in the butt and threatened with demotion to minors to get his act together ?
I hope Cash is happy with this bullpen. What a joke. More NL garbage like Park. He better not be on this team tomorrow. The Jays look like a minor league team against Boston and other good teams but treat Yankees games like the world series.
Nice job there CHoP and Yankees. Losing like this to the Blow J’s horrendous.
Blow a great outing from AJ, where even though he had his moments he didn’t melt like the whole rest of this team.
I don’t know anybody with a brain that can defend Joba Chamberlain’s performance this year.
He, like the rest of the bullpen, has been garbage this year.
If you believe otherwise, you can play with the numbers all you want.
He’s the worst EIG of the playoff calibur teams the Yankees are competing with this year.
You believe otherwise? Go look at those numbers and get back to me.
dewayne wise………..
got a walk earleir in the game and then a 3 run triple.
the guy sucks. hoffpauir 2 hits.
our offense is in a coma…nice ab by arod, cano, and jorge with the bases loaded in the 2nd or 3rd.
bad bad loss.
pen sucks look at the ERA’s they are horrible…..
Mick-
Like I said before, bad bullpen handling by Joe. Too much by the book without any regard for how the guys look on the mound.
POS
I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sick of this crappy bullpen. I hope cashman makes some moves by the trade deadline.
They put Park in a situation in which he had no room for error. He didn’t miss to Wells by much on 3-2, and he was on the verge of doing an incredible job.
When you give teams extra life, they will make you pay. This is the Major Leagues, you can’t score 1 run in a game and expect to beat even the worst teams.
I cant wait for our team to get the meaningless hit with RISP next inning to make the final score 6-2!
Look at the bright side-Bad AJ was good today!
Don’t worry- Cashman will find a bullpen arm or two, or three, and another potent bat for the lineup.
Happy and a Safe 4th everyone!!
mick,
Obviously Girardi didn’t want to pitch Mo for more than one inning… You really couldn’t figure that out by yourself?
Cut Shanghai Park now
Any reason the yankees sent down logan who has been great and they didn’t dump park
Teams now come into Yankee Stadium to stop their losing streaks
Thanks for the great response you bunch of losers, thanks.
You have no heart.
“the pitchers they face are too good”
yes, I notice this has been their latest excuse.
Jays got punched by Sux, if I remember correctly.
This is Robertson’s first time all year he has pitched a second inning.
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Come on, look it up, he has pitched into a second inning 7 times. A full 2 twice.
Any reason the yankees sent down logan who has been great and they didn’t dump park???!!!
SJ44…
Did you have season tickets to the 1927 Yankees? I can not tell if this is impostor SJ or Not
I’d get rid of Joba, that might wake him up from his alcohol inducted coma.
Whatever anyone says, this was a game the Yanks needed to win. The Jays have sucked this week. Way to go offense and Joba. Hope you choke on your T-bone steaks tonight.
Cashman had a fantastic off season
look dylan where talking about 4 outs and a win.
you couldnt figure that one out loser.
# CS IN LA July 2nd, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Can we just have the 2009 team back?
Chan Ho Park couldn’t pitch for my son’s little league team.
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Are they in the N.L ? Maybe he could !!!
Irreverent Discourse,
don’t bother. this place has officially become 80% bridge jumpers. you can lead a horse to water but can’t make it drink. at this juncture the only reason i am still reading this thread is for comedic value.
The Yanks should bring up Alba, Sanchez, Nova anyone throwing good in AAA and put them in the bullpen. It’s time to try something new. Joba is a mess, Park is NL garbage. You can’t win with this bullpen.
It feels like the ENTIRE Yankee bullpen, sans Rivera, has been dreadful. Chan Ho Park has been such a giant disappointment (that’s actually an understatement), David Robertson isn’t the same pitcher from a season ago, Joba Chamberlain has been DREADFUL (and nobody give me these crazy splits to try and dispute that fact, my own eyes tell me a different story), Marte has been decent, Gaudin has been DREADFUL.
We need to get Sergio Mitre and Alfredo Aceves back pronto.
This game may have been over at 2-1 the Yankees were hitting today, all of the extra runs were probably just gravy.
Now they will score 2 or 3 runs off a garbage reliever and pretend they put up an offensive fight today, when in reality it wasn’t even close.
Folks you wouldn’t know this Blue Jays team has
Lost 5 straight,
a 4 game sweep in Cleveland
Lost 9 of 11
Has fallen to .500
They just walk into Yankee Stadium, like they own it.
I could accept losing to Hernandez and Lee but this is disgusting today to watch.
Dylan, obviously Girardi didn’t want to win this game either.
SJ44 July 2nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
This is Robertson’s first time all year he has pitched a second inning. That’s not what he does.
That’s what happens in extra inning games. Everybody gets out of roles.
The game should have been won in 9 innings and you wouldn’t have to blow up the bullpen.
Unfortunately, that wasn’t the case today.
SJ 44 -
This is completely untrue – Robertson has pitched multiple innings this year:
see http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2010
So what?????
amazing that Javy Vazquez of all people is looking like the best player Cashman brought in this offseason.
Randy Winn, Nick Johnson, Granderson, and Park.
You have to be kidding be with the Joba has been unlucky stuff.
FIP is very unreliable when it comes to relief pitchers.
Mariano has been “lucky” by a full run on his ERA according to FIP basically every year of his career.
15 years later we are still waiting for the “statistical correction”
Funny how everyone blamed Joba… the rest of the pen sucks just as badly.
Relax, Yanks will have a 3 game lead by the break…….
SJ44 – i’m looking for these other teams with better setup men, but i can’t find them. maybe you can use those “eyes” of yours to look up your own stats, rather than just telling us the ones we use to prove points are invalid.
“Matt July 2nd, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Pathetic. Pathetic Pathetic.
Remember the Blue Jays just got swept in a 4 game set by the CLEVELAND INDIANS.
They had no life in this game, none whatsoever. If the Yankees just played even mediocre baseball today, Toronto would have given up and gone home”
Would they really have GONE HOME? Back to Toronto?
Would they really have given up? Walked off the field?
Or is that one of your tired cliches again?
Joba has cost this team atleast 3 wins so far this year (Boston, Cleveland, today). Yeah the offense hasn’t done anything and Robertson/Park put this out of reach, but Joba needs to hold a lead. He isn’t getting the job done. They need to put serious effort into fixing their bullpen issues or they won’t be making the playoffs. Terrible, terrible, just terrible.
logan been great. if you like a guy who walks people left and right he has been great. the whole pen except mariano has SUCKED. Look at the damn #’s.
What you didn’t like my answer, Mick?
I don’t normally have a quick hook with guys, but can we please end this Chan Ho experiment already? If you don’t DFA him, then he should only be there in blowouts.
Heck, let Swisher pick in a close game before Park.
Open audition time for Yankee bullpen… Albaladejo… come on down
mick,
I didn’t say it was a good move! I said thats obviously why Girardi did it.
Macfan,
Yep… and the worst part – today we faced their worst pitcher.
Romero and Morrow have been lights out in their last several starts.
A real possibility we get swept and have a 2-4 homestand against the Mariners and Jays.
But don’t worry folks. We are still in 1st place. Best record in baseball.
“# George C. July 2nd, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Teams now come into Yankee Stadium to stop their losing streaks”
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Apparently of late, way to freshen up.
What a joke performance by the Yankees today.
Yankees have not had a baserunner since the 7th inning and have only one run on the board.
This game has been tied for 3 straight turns at bat prior to the top of the 11th.
Whose fault is it that this game isn’t going in the win column?
Watch the offense put together a 3-run rally
Its impostor SJ.
pat m
are you always this optimistic?
you are probably right but there are holes in the pen, you have to admit that.
Can we get some kind of Facebook group about how we all hate the Yanks bullpen(except Mo)????????
Chan Ho Park might even be a worst acquisition than Nick Johnson
At least Johnson sees pitches. What does Park do well?
The Yanks broke another team out of a slump.
“Whose fault is it that this game isn’t going in the win column?”
The bullpen, for not giving the meat of the order a chance to win it on one swing in the bottom half of the frame.
I don’t understand why Park hasn’t been lifted from this team. Is this some kind of new public embarrassment motto that The Yankees are into these days. Every time this guy comes in he gives up at least one run or a bunch of runs. He’s an embarrassment to himself and the rest of the team.
According to Jon Heyman they might be some quality arms available during trade time (Todd Coffey, Carlos Villanueva and even Joakim Soria) – Maybe it’s time for Cashman to get Girardi an arm for the late innings because it’s clear that Girardi has nobody out there except Rivera.
The Yankee bullpen, except for Mo, stinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Red Sox’s unstoppable offense will bring them to one back in the loss column tonight.
First Place here they come!
Looks like Chan Ho Park never really got rid of that diarrhea. What a mess he makes on the mound. Every time.
Offense hit .245 in June
Bullpen has sucked all year
Causes for concern.
Give me Boston’s pen and offense over ours anyday.
stuart,
the same clowns crying for logan are the pretty much the same people who were in shock when he was recalled.
Funny when we needed fly balls from Alex with the bases loaded he couldn’t do it, now he has hit two fly outs in a row.
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# Michelle July 2nd, 2010 at 4:51 pm
The Yanks should bring up Alba, Sanchez, Nova anyone throwing good in AAA and put them in the bullpen. It’s time to try something new. Joba is a mess, Park is NL garbage. You can’t win with this bullpen.
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Finally, u make a little sense !
And the “awesome” Yankee offense keeps up its offensive ways. This lineup looks about as good as the current Red Sox lineup, without the results.
At least the Red Sox would have an excuse.
“Whose fault is it that this game isn’t going in the win column?”
“The bullpen, for not giving the meat of the order a chance to win it on one swing in the bottom half of the frame.”
Not scoring a single run with the bases loaded and no outs with Rodriguez, Cano and Posada coming up…
Frank,
You are an idiot, plain and simple. It’s a figure of speech, if you can’t see that then you are just beyond clueless. If the only comeback you have is to take everything I say entirely literally, then you just have nothing to work with.
When you step on the throat of a struggling team early, they tend to doubt themselves and press, which in turn means they start struggling even more. Struggling teams get frustrated when they trail early and give away at bats hoping to get another chance tomorrow. When you keep a team close in a game that has no hope, they start believing they can win and they go up there with more confidence.
Yankee players should start thinking about how to tell the media about tipping their hat to the Jays’ awesome pitching
In some master plan we dismantle a championship team ….for what reason?????
At least we didnt get a meaningless run. Good. K to end the game. Sit your ass down.
. . . Any reason the yankees sent down logan who has been great and they didn’t dump park. . .
I was wondering the same thing.
But I still say it’s the offense: no team in the league can rely on middle relief night after night. That is the rut we are in: no scoring!!!
Again I say: bases loaded, no out, no runs scored. That is the real problem here.
the offense has been terrib le. look at the real #’s not BABIP, FIP, etc.
tex and granderson are hitting 232, that stinks.
the whole pen is over 5 ERA except mo.
Jeter no rbis’s in 14 games…the #’s are ugly….
LOL! Good job Choppy! You strike a guy out and then walk a runner in! Choppy! Choppy! Choppy!
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CR9, you racist bastard!
Great job there Girardi, way to manage to blow a game to a crap team.
Matt – still waiting for your definition of EVERY. Teach me Matt. I’m a sponge for your ultimate baseball wisdom.
The Yankees lineup had 3 straight innings to win this game after Joba blew the lead, and they had ZERO baserunners. Not even one threat.
Stop being stupid. This is entirely on the offense. This game is over before Joba blows the lead, and over after Joba blows the lead if they do anything whatsoever at the plate.
mick, the pen always has a way of working it’s self out…….Right now they’re a struggling club…….It’ll be fine, they are a very good ballclub……They’ll run away with it after the break,as the usually do…….Time for The Beach Boys and California Girls…….Visual stimulus
Robertson’s ERA back over 6
Still want him over Joba?
Choppy? Racist? Excuse me… His nickname is ChoP.
Nice effort from the team, maybe the worst game of the year
Jesus you people are ridiculous. This isn’t football. The Yankees have a ton of games to play. Its one freakin loss…
This is just not last year’s team.
Last year’s team would have gotten pie. This year’s team get pied by Chan Ho Park
It seems like they are sleepwalking thru this season, confident they will win again.
Sorry it doesn’t work that way and I am not, repeat, am not a bridgejumper, just a realist.
Anybody!!!????
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“# George C. July 2nd, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Yankee players should start thinking about how to tell the media about tipping their hat to the Jays’ awesome pitching”
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LOL, Yeah the Jays pitching were just lights out shut down quality
Gotta tip your cap to them Don’t know how they came in struggling.
They are such a dynamite team at 40-40, make that 41-40
Cashman put blew the winning team apart, brought in garbage, CHoP? Really? Nick, can’t stay healthy to save his life, Johnson? Wow, what a difference he is making on this team, other than him being on the DL, where he has spent most of his time in the majors.
chop time is always special!
Frank,
If you cannot tell the difference between literal and figurative speech, then you should stop embarrassing yourself singling out individual words in my post.
Joba has been shaky in every outing since essentially the middle of June, a span stretching 7 straight outings. He has been shaky in nearly 2/3 of his outings this year, as I posted earlier. If you have so little left to counter with that you are going to nit pick at one word in my post to try to attack me, then you pretty much are conceding the point.
dylan come out of your complacency, where do you draw the line, this will come up to bite them in the playoffs and what will you say then?
This period of bad bullpen happened last year as well, but earlier in the season. However it seemed that last year Cashman was more proactive about fixing the problem–DFAing Veras, demoting Alby, etc— perhaps because the season itself may have slipped away if he hadn’t. I hope he becomes proactive now befor it is too late.
Matt –
EVERY one of your posts are moronic.
Of course I am using your definition of every.
Each one since June 11th and 81.56 % of the time prior to that.
Guess which bullpen in the Major Leagues is worst in the following categories: ERA, batting average, hits allow, walks allowed.
Please take a guess.
Frank,
Wow you are stupid. There is something called “implied” language. Do I have to define what every single word is in my posts? No, because it’s obvious what was meant.
Do I actually have to post the word “lately” after the word “every” for you to understand what I’m saying? I don’t think anyone with a clue would think I meant every single outing on the entire season.
It’s obvious you hate me, but stop making a fool of yourself. If you are going to nit pick at common sense language, then you are just dumb.
Can’t really blame Robertson. Probably a bit tired. Girardi obviously doesn’t Chan No & Gaudin. Tough way to manage the pen that way
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This is the worst bullpen other than Mo that I can remember the Yankees having . Who is Park blowing to keep his spot on the team? This is as bad a bullpen as I can remember the Yankees ever having. Disgraceful!!!
This team is embarrassing, 200 million for this Offense? Tell me their record all you want but it was built early and lately they are a joke.
How many horrible team-wide slumps can one $200 million offense have in one season? 37? Amazing. And Joba is a useless pig.
Yanks are in an almost team wide hitting slump but bullpen has got to have at least 3 changes