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Postgame notes: “We have to pitch better as a whole”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Jul 02, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Blue Jays Yankees BaseballJoe Girardi’s words might have been obvious, but they were also absolutely true.

“This is the group that we have right now so they have to get it done,” he said. “That’s the bottom line. We have to pitch better as a whole out of the bullpen.”

It’s hard to look internally and find an obvious solution for the Yankees unreliable bullpen. You expect a bullpen to be shaky, but the Yankees bullpen ERA in the bottom half of baseball. And that’s with Mariano Rivera’s 0.86 ERA in the mix. ERA isn’t an especially good way to measure a reliever, but aside from Mo, the Yankees don’t have a regular reliever with better than a 4.60.

Maybe there’s a better eighth-inning option than Rivera, but Dave Robertson has allowed a run exactly as often as Chamberlain — 28.5 percent of his appearances — and Damaso Marte is the only left-handed option. Jonathan Albaladejo has been outstanding in Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, but he’s far from a sure thing.

“You have to be more consistent,” Chamberlain said. “We have to do a better job down there in the bullpen as a whole. We have the best leader. We lean on him and understand what he does to teach us to make us better.”

Here’s Girardi.

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APTOPIX Blue Jays Yankees Baseball• Dave Robertson allowed one run through nine innings in June, but he was asked to go more than an inning — one and a third — only once that month. “I don’t think that had anything to do with it,” he said. “I didn’t perform well today. I stunk today and it cost us the game.”

• Chan Ho Park does his interviews without a translator, so it’s hard to know how much of his emotion is lost in his own translation, but here’s what he said after the game: “Just keep throwing. I made some good pitches. I’m just trying to focus on I made some good pitches. Two pitches I didn’t like… I’m not thinking I’m struggling. Just missed the pitch.”

• The Yankees offense has come and gone this season, and Girardi called his one of the periods when they’re “scuffling,” a word he’s used before. “You can’t get frustrated with it,” Nick Swisher said. “You just have to come back tomorrow ready to go. I think when you get frustrated, that’s when it really snowballs.”

• Bases loaded with no outs in the sixth inning, Alex Rodriguez and Robinson Cano struck out, Jorge Posada grounded out. “That’s probably the difference in the game,” Girardi said.

• Girardi said he was impressed with A.J. Burnett’s fastball command to both sides of the plate. Burnett said pretty much the same thing, and said his mechanical issues felt much better. “I felt like I was able to throw it where I wanted to better,” he said. “I pulled off on only a handful of pitches.”

• What a catch by Brett Gardner to start the eighth inning. The game might have been lost in that inning if not for Gardner.

• Mark Teixeira’s hitting streak ended at 12 games.

• Brian Cashman on how much longer Marcus Thames will rehab: “If he’s rusty then we’ll keep him going. If he isn’t rusty when we’ll take him. I know if a left-hander is coming down the line, that will probably play into it as well.”

Associated Press photos of Park and Gardner.

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417 Responses to “Postgame notes: “We have to pitch better as a whole””

  1. kevin July 2nd, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    i really do not understand why all the emphasis is being put on the bullpen struggles. is it all just a ploy to avoid placing blame on the high priced lineup that is choking lately? 7 runs in 4 games at home against lowly teams- ridiculous, and i don’t care if cy young is pitching. the Yankees have a great lineup, loaded with talent. bases loaded, no out, and you come up with zero runs? you DESERVE to lose the game, or at least, don’t be surprised.

    and don’t blame the section of the team that’s paid the least. it’s a copout. with this lineup, 5 or 6 runs a game should be expected, not out of the question. sure our pen is not a strength. but the hitting HAS to be more consistent.

  2. Bronx Jeers July 2nd, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    I just can’t wait for Thames and Nick Johnson to get back so they can get this offense rocking. :lol:

  3. la di da July 2nd, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Hiya mick, still wipin the tears litle fella?

  4. George C. July 2nd, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    from Chan Ho Park, “… I’m not thinking I’m struggling. Just missed the pitch.”

    I guess he’s right. 6.66 ERA is not really struggling. Missed a pitch here and there. And of course, bad luck.

  5. Nick in SF July 2nd, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Bronx Jeers, I was rooting for the Dutch today, as you know, but I used my mojo for Uruguay so South America wasn’t shut out today. You can thank me at your leisure.

  6. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 2nd, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    I left with Mo in the game in the 9th to go see Toy Story 3 with my family. We went to dinner and I didn’t see a score. I had convinced myself there was pie.

    Very disappointed to see the bullpen gave it up again. But it is true that earlier in the game, bases loaded, no one out, with the best hitters coming up and no one scored – that was the game right there.

    The bullpen is definitely an issue. The offense will be fine. I truly believe that. But the bullpen? Oy. They are as unreliable as can be.

    Still, there’s a lot of season left.

  7. Keith--FL July 2nd, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    This is a team built to win now….we have Mariano Rivera, the best closer in the history of baseball pitching as good as he ever has…that is an advantage that has won us 5 World Series…we need to milk that for all we can…are you listening Cashman b/c there will be a day that we won’t have Rivera and winning will be tougher so make some trades for a bat that can invigorate the line-up, like it did with Bobby Abreu in 2006…..when we got Abreu, the offense just clicked and I know our offense is inconsistent and terrible right now and has been for alot for the season…just look at the pitchers who have shut us down, they get lit-up before or after they face us but shut us down and I’m sorry I can’t attribute that all to being fired up for playing the Yankees…the time to act is now Cashman, maybe go get Adam Dunn to DH and trade Joba and Montero to the Royals for Dejesus and Soria…Royals can use Joba as a starter and he will do good there, closer to his Nebraska roots and Soria can learn from Mariano and be a great set-up guy and the future closer….reports from scouts on Dejesus is that he is better than Damon and Granderson…..losing Montero hurts but Soria is really good and won’t come cheap….and Romine will be the future catcher…these are trades that will shape this team for now and the future and help both teams….now your job is easy Cashman, get it done!!!!!

  8. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    ““This is the group that we have right now so they have to get it done,”

    Translation: We are treading water until a trade is made.

  9. George C. July 2nd, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    “You can’t get frustrated with it,” Nick Swisher said. “You just have to come back tomorrow ready to go…”

    Been saying this “come back tomorrow” crap for like 1 1/2 month. Then tomorrow comes and this frigging lineup stinks up the joint again. How ’bout just saying the truth for once, “We’ve been sucking large for too freaking long. If we suck even a little bit less we’d be up 5 or 6 games in the division.”

  10. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    “, maybe go get Adam Dunn to DH and trade Joba and Montero to the Royals for Dejesus and Soria…”

    They couldn’t do anything dumber.

  11. MTU (aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Trenton just exploded for 7 runs. :)

  12. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Chad, come on – Joba has been awful. You really don’t even want to give Robertson a chance?

  13. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    It’s just so ridiculous that the Yankees won’t even try a new formula……..Cash is not being very creative :mad:

  14. Bronx Jeers July 2nd, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    Thanks for your support Nick. I almost made it across the Rio Plate into Uruguay last year which would have also had me in 4 quarter-finalist countries but I got robbed in Recoleta and canceled the trip.

    Where do you stand on Argentina – Germany? You gotta love Maradona.

  15. Mark in Tampa July 2nd, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Robertson has not done anything this year to warrant giving him a chance.

  16. the GM formerly known as Cashman now as Cashmoney! July 2nd, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    helps is on the way, speed dialing Brian Bruney!

  17. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 2nd, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    I’m sorry. The Yankees are still in first place? Yes?

    Do need to fiddle with the bullpen a little, but no panic trades and no panic moves period. No overspending in desperation.

    Nothing can really be done outside the organization until after the ASB. Don’t want to make pre-mature moves.

    There is so much over-reaction when the Yankees lose, it’s no longer funny.

  18. Nick in SF July 2nd, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    I got robbed in BA too! More like swindled out of a small amount of cash by a shifty cabbie. Stupid old currency/new currency trick. :mad:

    I’ll root for Argentina, Germany is Enemy #1 of the remaining teams. Not completely in love with cokehead cheater Maradonna, however. He does have personality, I’ll give him that.

  19. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    # mick July 2nd, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Park has to go. This will be another admission of guilt from Cashman along with Winn, Thames and Logan.
    Gaudin must go. That would clear room for callups and give them a few weeks of exposure before the deadline.
    I could see a blockbuster involving Granderson and Joba.

  20. ron July 2nd, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    This team was winning at the beginning of the year so what has changed?

    I doubt in a matter of a month or so age caught up with the whole team.

    The mets were struggling & made a few simple moves that turned their season around.I know they are not great but add a lee & they can go far.

    They brought davis up
    yanked maine & perez out of the rotation.

    I would bring albaladejo up first before i spend money on a setup man,he has been lights out.
    Trade for a big bat dh like dunn to make the lineup circular at least on paper.

    Bullpens usually get fixed from within by rotating arms til you find a gem instead of full steam ahead with the arms now who are not getting it done.

    I can tell you one thing though,a catcher is becoming a huge priority,as soon as one of romine/montero is ready they are up.
    If one was ready now posada should be the ft dh so we would not have to trade for one.

    This offense is screaming for help & cash should get a bat,the pitching should be ok & we will find a pen arm from within,i try alby tomorrow.

  21. Mark in Tampa July 2nd, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Outside of Rivera, there hasn’t been anyone who has been trustworthy this year. None have inspired confidence consistently. At the beginning of the year, it looked like they had enough internal options to be OK, but that has dissolved fast.

    The question is, can they get to the postseason with this pen? If they can, then come playoff time, Vazquez or Hughes goes to the pen, and it can be a strength instantly. If they can’t get to the PS this way, then Cash is going to have to explore the trade market.

  22. George C. July 2nd, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Bruney & K-Rod BFF

  23. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    Right, Mark – so just keep on keeping on with this failed pen? Robertson hasn’t pitched badly – he’s no great shakes, but any port in a storm as Joba is stinking up the joint.

  24. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    How would Javy help in the pen?

  25. kevin July 2nd, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    not everyone overreacts. the offense is simply far too talented to be THIS inconsistent. if you asked these guys and they were actually honest for once, they’d tell you they know as a whole they are underperforming.

    also, montero and joba for dejesus and soria would be one of the worst trades in the history of the Yankees if they did it.

  26. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    People will be singing a different tune if Lee goes to the Twins.

  27. Mark in Tampa July 2nd, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Robertson hasn’t pitched badly? What are you watching?

  28. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Robo has been more consistent than Joba.
    It’s his 2nd inning that kills him.

  29. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    “I could see a blockbuster involving Granderson and Joba.”

    Selling low is almost always a mistake.

  30. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Yeah, Mark – he’s pitched better recently. What’s the point, anyway? Joba isn’t doing the job and something has to change. It can’t hurt to give everyone and their brother a chance as the EIG – no more Joba.

  31. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    I guess complaining now is not politically correct.
    It would be more appropriate to jump on the bandwagon when and if we fall out of 1st place.
    OK now I get it.

  32. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    The best reason to try Robertson in the 8th is that everyone else sucks worse, which is not a bad reason.

  33. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    # Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    “I could see a blockbuster involving Granderson and Joba.”

    Selling low is almost always a mistake.
    =========================
    They wouldn’t trade them if they were going good, would they?
    The question is when will they be at their true low point?
    Joba still has value to a team that needs young starters and Granderson has value.

  34. SJ44 July 2nd, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Rich,

    Re: your 8:28 post….bingo.

    “This is the group we have right now”….

    That’s straight out of the Joe Torre playbill.

    Everytime he said that when he was here, it was code for “help”!!!

    Girardi knows help is needed.

    Until then, he will continue to try and make it work with what he has.

  35. SJ44 July 2nd, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Nobody sees Joba as a starter around baseball.

    He has zero value as a starting pitcher on the trade market.

  36. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    I hope Cash has been quiet because he is out there looking for answers.
    But then again, we ARE in 1st place.

  37. George C. July 2nd, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Last year’s bullpen success was mainly due to Hughes. He stabilized the 8th inning role and made everyone better. Does anyone here see someone stepping up this year? Or are we stuck with the all the clowns not named Mo?

  38. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    SJ

    Good thing Girardi can’t send a message by putting Enrique Wilson in RF! ;)

  39. MTU (aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    The M’s are looking for a catcher and a SS.

    Just out of curiosity. What are KC’s needs ?

  40. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Which is fine – I do not want the team to panic, nor do I ever think they would. Even though I don’t think this lead will last long if they keep this up, still they are in first place……..and no need to panic as long as Cash realizes that his team has serious holes that need fixing. He’s a shrewd operator – he’ll get something done. That said, why not bring up a minor-league arm? It can’t hurt……..not sure why they are so reluctant to do so.

  41. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 2nd, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    mick -

    The problem with the complaining, as I see it, is many of the complainers come off as such know-it-alls.

    No one likes to see the Yankees lose. Very unsatisfactory loss today on many different levels. But no one knows this team better than the people who are charged with running it. If it gets typed here, chances are it’s been discussed by the people who matter many times. We here have zero information. If people think Cashman is sitting on his thumbs waiting for things to shake out, I think that’s ignorant. Same for Girardi. What we see and what is actually going on are two different things.

    They ahve to use the people they ahve. There should not be any desperation moves. There is enough time to deal with the shortcomings.

    It is good to keep in mind that in spite of the Yankees’ shortcomings, apparently most other teams have more shortcomings, ’cause the Yankees are still sitting fairly pretty.

  42. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Joba isn’t a starter or a reliever now – he’s bad at both ends. I have no clue what’s up with him, unless he’s just simply not that good anymore.

  43. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Last year was made by Hughes and Aceves.
    Two major losses in the pen, I’d say.
    Coke was huge as well.
    Hard to make up for that loss of talent.

  44. Bronx Jeers July 2nd, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    Meh. The world’s filled with cheating cokeheads. This country elected one to President. Twice! Well, sort of.

    I just like those flawed hero/rags to riches-back to rags-now possibly back to riches stories.

    Besides, Hand of God? Many champions have utilized a bit of “divine intervention”

    In the Yankees case, “God” wore a black mizuno glove.

    http://nbcsportsmedia1.msnbc.c......widec.jpg

  45. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    “They wouldn’t trade them if they were going good, would they?”

    They would if they thought that it wasn’t enduring.

    As I have said, I think Joba needs to be sent to the mL and be remade the way Halladay was at a similar age.

    It’s no guarantee of anything, but I think it’s the best option for the long-term.

  46. blake July 2nd, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    “Last year’s bullpen success was mainly due to Hughes. He stabilized the 8th inning role and made everyone better.”

    This is very true. Its ironic that maybe the biggest piece missing from this team that they had last year is a guy thats still on the team. Obviously they aren’t going to take Hughes out of the rotation, nor should they but it sure would be nice if they could clone him to pitch the 8th. I think that piece may currently be on another team this year.

  47. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    “What are KC’s needs ?”

    If past is prologue, I think they just want to rip some team off by getting them to vastly overpay.

  48. Bret the Hitman July 2nd, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    My targets are still DeJesus and League.

    oh and

    JOAKIM SORIA

    :lol:

    Seriously though, I was adamant since the first game of the year that my major concern about this team is the bullpen. Mo is really the only lock-down reliable guy for us. No bullpen can survive with one reliable guy. We are in deep trouble if we don’t get someone like League or Marmol or Soria.

  49. George C. July 2nd, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Forgot to mention Aceves like one of the posters said. He’s greatly missed.

  50. Mark in Tampa July 2nd, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    “Joba isn’t a starter or a reliever now – he’s bad at both ends”

    Joba is doing a great job at pitching himself into irrelevance.

  51. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Would TB trade Crawford for Granderson?
    Is that realistic?

  52. SAS July 2nd, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Even though the Yankees are in first place by a hair, it seems as though they are in last place. Get a good/great performance from AJ and the bullpen can’t hold a lead. The regulars in the lineup with a couple of exceptions have been dreadful.

    The Yankees have to make some sort of move to get this team going. If we could be counted on to score runs, it would be one thing. You can’t expect a starting pitcher not to give up runs day after day. I would do the Soria/DeJesus deal if we don’t have to give up the ‘wjole’ farm.

  53. Bret the Hitman July 2nd, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Austin Romine for Joakim Soria is awfully tempting at this point. Makes me ill to think about it. I love Romine.

  54. MTU (aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Rich-

    All well and good but you didn’t try to answer the question.

    Any idea what KC’s needs might be ?

    Trying to judge if we might be a match.

  55. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Why wouldn’t KC give Joba a shot at starting?

  56. MTU (aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Bret-

    Just out of curiosity. Does KC NEED a catcher ?

  57. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    By the way, if this is all true, then Lebron is a creep:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/ne.....ulls072010

    The Bulls must make a strong case to James on Saturday to get him to take what would be $30 million less than the Cavaliers could offer. Sources say one team that all but eliminated itself with James in the presentation process was the New York Knicks. James met with the organization on Friday and his inner-circle has described New York’s presentation as lacking preparedness and organization. James’ camp also found it to be redundant to much of the New Jersey Nets’ far sharper, edgier presentation on James’ earning power.

    James hasn’t been convinced that he can overcome the $30 million difference between possible Cleveland and New York offers through endorsements and other streams of revenue. However, Russian billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov’s vision of bulking up James’ international portfolio did resonate with him, and the Nets vision of using Brooklyn and the owner’s international muscle does appeal to him.

    Sources say that James is dubious his mere presence on the Knicks will be worth that much more to him in endorsements. The appearance of Knicks GM Donnie Walsh in a wheelchair due to a neck problem and the frumpy, unimpressive Jim Dolan didn’t provide James with an image of vibrancy.

  58. Bret the Hitman July 2nd, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    How much would DeJesus + Soria cost?

    I proposed Gardner + Joba earlier in the year and I think it caused some Yankees fans to have a stroke.

    How about Gardner + Romine?

  59. SAS July 2nd, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    mick,

    They would and they could if we could get Soria.

  60. Bret the Hitman July 2nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:03 pm
    Bret-

    Just out of curiosity. Does KC NEED a catcher ?
    *******

    According to Billy D, they would ask for Romine for Soria because they definitely need a franchise catcher.

  61. SAS July 2nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    I don’t want to give up Gardner. He’s young and cost effective.

  62. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    “Sources say one team that all but eliminated itself with James in the presentation process was the New York Knicks”

    This has been refuted.

  63. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    In the case of selling high rather than low, wouldn’t Gardner be more of a chip than Granderson?

  64. MTU (aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    Bret-

    Do they need anything else ?

  65. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 9:06 pm

    If they are trading Romine, it will be for Lee, not Soria.

  66. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    If they got Lee, it almost guarantees Hughes to pitch out of the pen come the playoffs with AJ at #4.

  67. Bret the Hitman July 2nd, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:06 pm
    Bret-

    Do they need anything else ?
    ******
    They need a leadoff hitter like Gardner.

    They need a shortstop as well. Eduardo Nunez.

    Gardner, Romine and Nunez would all interest them. Not sure about Joba.

  68. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    MLB Trade Rumors.com

    “The Rangers and Dodgers would love to acquire Lee, but would have to give up a slew of prospects to avoid taking on his salary.

    According to Stark, there have even been rumblings that the Rays could be a match for the M’s ace if they were willing to move B.J. Upton.”

  69. Bronx Jeers July 2nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    The appearance of Knicks GM Donnie Walsh in a wheelchair due to a neck problem and the frumpy, unimpressive Jim Dolan didn’t provide James with an image of vibrancy.

    ———————————————————————————————————————————–

    The Knicks organization really miss the presence of Isiah Thomas. :wink:

  70. SAS July 2nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Do the Cardinals have anyone we might like because Dave Duncan might be able to turn Joba around. Also, near Nebraska.

  71. Bret the Hitman July 2nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    If the Rays and Sox make big blockbuster trades, the pressure is really on Cashman.

    DeJesus in Soria.

    Lee and League.

    Think BIG

  72. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 2nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Joba is a throw-in right now.

  73. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Last year Hughes in the 8th
    Coke and Aceves.

    This year Joba.
    Park and Gaudin.

    This years Jeter/Tex/Arod vs last years.

    Damon/Matsui vs Johnson/Granderson.

    Which looks like the better team?
    Forget the record.

  74. Bret the Hitman July 2nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    DeJesus and Soria.

    oh brother.

  75. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Why not just hire Dave Duncan?

  76. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    Mark, he is – except Joe doesn’t seem to think that way.

    Rich, if the Yankees have any hopes of getting anything out of Joba, they probably need to do that. That said, there’s only so much they can do for him if his issues are between the ears. I mentioned in an earlier thread that for all of Joba’s emotion on the mound, Phil is the one with the real competitive fire. He’s constantly been saying how lucky he is to have his record, how disappointed he is that he’s not pitching the way he’s capable of and overall just gives off the idea that he’s not satisfied with his success; he wants to do better. This is the same kid that refused to shake Joe’s hand after being taken out of that Texas game last year.

    Phil did solidify the pen last year, but others actually started pitching well. He’s no savior – even if he were to be put in the pen, he can’t make others do their jobs (they all stink). Anyway, the Yankees would never do this -it would be beyond awful.

  77. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Rich, by the Knicks; of course they’re going to say that the report is false…………It doesn’t matter anyway; he’s not coming here……..

  78. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    “Damon/Matsui vs Johnson/Granderson.”

    You’re pining for two hitters that can’t play defense who have an OPS < .800?

  79. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    If Phil is pitching better than Javy and we make the playoffs, then Phil will remain in the rotation……..If the Yankees chose Javy simply because he’s a vet, that would be a mistake.

  80. MTU (aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Bret-

    Thanks.

    I was hoping they might have some different needs. For example, one of our AAA level pitching prospects (i.e. Nova, Z-mac, etc.).

    I do not want to trade Romine, Nunez, or GGBG.

  81. Bret the Hitman July 2nd, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos July 2nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
    Joba is a throw-in right now.
    *******

    I disagree. His track record outside this season shows upside. He’s shown true upside as recently as the 2009 playoffs. He’s also still young. This season doesn’t remove all of his trade value but it puts a huge dent in it. The trick would be finding the team who believes they can get him straightened out.

  82. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    How people can say that this years team is better than last is audacious.

    AUDACIOUS!

    That team won a World Championship (excluding Europe which loves Soccer so they don’t count).

    This team has won nothing.

    But they are in 1st place, no need to worry.

  83. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Betsy

    As Phil said to me earlier this evening, do you remember when everyone said CC and Teix weren’t coming here?

    Do you really think that LeBron doesn’t understand that Walsh just had surgery?

    Think what you want.

  84. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    # Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    “Damon/Matsui vs Johnson/Granderson.”

    You’re pining for two hitters that can’t play defense who have an OPS < .800?
    ============================
    Not pining at all Rich, just comparing.

  85. Shame Spencer July 2nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    “This is very true. Its ironic that maybe the biggest piece missing from this team that they had last year is a guy thats still on the team.”

    Possibly the best quote all month on the blog. Irony has really outdone itself with this one..

  86. Bret the Hitman July 2nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:15 pm
    Bret-

    Thanks.

    I was hoping they might have some different needs. For example, one of our AAA level pitching prospects (i.e. Nova, Z-mac, etc.).

    I do not want to trade Romine, Nunez, or GGBG.
    *******

    Well this team is really struggling and DeJesus and Soria are huge needs right now.

  87. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    “How people can say that this years team is better than last is audacious.

    AUDACIOUS!”

    Extremely bold?

  88. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 2nd, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    Bret The Hitman -

    I do agree that the key would be finding a team that thinks they have the “key” to Joba.

    My point was really that Joba is not the guy they’re asking for right now, as opposed to a year or two ago. :(

  89. Louis Friend July 2nd, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:00 pm
    Would TB trade Crawford for Granderson?
    Is that realistic?
    ————————————————
    Doubt it. While TB would gain $4.5M this season, Granderson is still signed for 2 more years for $18.25M and a 3rd year option of $13M with a $2M buyout. Plus, TB would lose the 1st round draft pick they will gain when Crawford hits FA. Even if they would entertain taking on Granderson long-term, the fact is that he still cannot hit LH’ers (a problem that many Lohud bloggers seemed to think K. Long would cure in ST) and Desmond Jennings is waiting in the wings.
    I think that many people may be overreacting to a rough patch in the season.

  90. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Rich, just because CC and Tex came here does not mean Lebron is………We’ll find out soon enough, but I’m more interested in what the Knicks will do when Lebron goes elsewhere.

  91. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Betsy

    Again, think what you want.

  92. Mark in Tampa July 2nd, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    “This season doesn’t remove all of his trade value but it puts a huge dent in it. The trick would be finding the team who believes they can get him straightened out.”

    If you were a GM with your job on the line if you make a big mistake, what would you part with to get Joba?
    IMO, very little. So little, that if Joba never improves from where he is now, that you can’t be faulted for taking the chance. Joba could bring back a decent prospect, a couple lower level prospects, maybe even a ‘player to be named later’. But nothing of immediate major league impact. At least, not by himself.

  93. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Thanks for giving me permission, Rich……..and you think what you want.

  94. Bret the Hitman July 2nd, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Doreen,

    I know. It’s devastating. I really wanted Joba traded after his 2007 bullpen dominance. I thought it inflated his value as a starter even though his appearances were in the pen. At the time I wanted him traded for Johan Santana, straight up. Ok, so maybe that wasn’t the smartest move considering his salary and recent injuries.

    I’m a firm believer in the stock market principle.

    That’s why I have no problem selling high on Gardner, Nunez or Romine if I can get something with established, stable value in return.

  95. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    Also I forgot Melky who had a better year than Granderson is having.

  96. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    The problem with Joba is if gets 3-4 good outings in a row, they wont trade him.
    If he has 3-4 bad ones , they cant trade him.
    There is no middle ground with him.

  97. Bret the Hitman July 2nd, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Mark in Tampa July 2nd, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    If you were a GM with your job on the line if you make a big mistake, what would you part with to get Joba?
    IMO, very little. So little, that if Joba never improves from where he is now, that you can’t be faulted for taking the chance. Joba could bring back a decent prospect, a couple lower level prospects, maybe even a ‘player to be named later’. But nothing of immediate major league impact. At least, not by himself.
    **************

    I’d trade a cheap young player with equal upside and equally deflated value.

    As an example BJ Upton for Joba Chamberlain.

    Rays don’t need pitching and they’d never trade with us but I’m using Upton’s trade value as a comparable for Joba’s.

  98. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Betsy

    It’s not about permission, it’s about outlook.

    You’re a pessimist, I’m not. That’s my only point.

  99. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    The Knicks will seek to be Phoenix East.

  100. Billy D July 2nd, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    “According to Billy D, they would ask for Romine for Soria because they definitely need a franchise catcher.”

    To be clear, I have no knowledge of or connection to the inner workings of the Royals front office. This is pure speculation on my part. My feeling is that if they are to trade a high end commodity like Soria, who is a significant young talent and under contract beyond this year, they are going to look for Romine-level return.

  101. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Rich, ok…..I get it. Well, any way, I’ll be glad when this is over as the whole process is just weird.

  102. Billy D July 2nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    “The Knicks will seek to be Phoenix East.”

    Just good enough to lose in the 2nd, maybe 3rd round of the playoffs?

  103. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    The last Royals GM wanted Hughes for Reggie Jefferson.

  104. Bret the Hitman July 2nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Billy D,

    I’d do it for Romine now. We have Montero, Sanchez and Cervelli.

    We don’t have a future closer while our current bullpen is a mess. Next year could be an equally bad bullpen as well.

    Basically our BP looks screwed in the short and long term.

  105. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Just good enough to lose in the 2nd, maybe 3rd round of the playoffs?
    ======================
    WE can only hope.

  106. Billy D July 2nd, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Bret:

    Wouldn’t bother me either.

  107. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    I hate this schedule.
    While I like the immediacy of afternoon games, I miss the night games.
    Next week will be all 10pm est.
    Tough sked.

  108. Keith--FL July 2nd, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Our offense reminds me of 2000 when we struggled and Cashman made the David Justice trade and he was great and we took off….this current team needs a shake-up, this is not a rough patch at all, trades need to be made…..and trading Joba and Montero for Soria and Dejesus solves many problems….basically Soria is much better at the role Joba has right now and Montero is a great prospect but will he be great for us in the next 2 years when we need him as AROD, Jeter, Posada are even older…this is why you have minor league depth, to use it to help out the big club…Romine is the catcher of the future…let the Royals worry about Joba and whether he should start or relieve and let them develop Montero as a catcher with his defense….this trade would give them a franchise catcher and a potential franchise starter, that organization needs some hope…..for the Yankees–Soria is 27, Dejesus is 30 and hitting .335 and can play all 3 outfield positions…this would be a good trade for both teams…..and help us as we try to win #28!!

  109. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    If you get DeJesus, who in the OF sits or is traded?

  110. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 2nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Bret -

    I’ve thought in the recent past that it would be beneficial to try to re-make Joba in the minors. I still think it wouldn’t be a bad idea. I said the other day, I am torn with regard to Joba because I WANT him to do well. But I’m not blind to what’s going on. I mean, he came into the game today, and I could not watch – I went to fold laundry. Used to be, Joba was must-see tv. It’s really very sad to me. And I think it’s on Joba.

    Thing is I no longer know if I want them to keep him at all, even if they rework him. He is high maintenance. The payback from him would have to be sky high for that maintenance to be worth it. I still think he has talent; but ???

    I am so leery of any trades, most of the time. What looks good on paper often does not turn out so well once the deal is done, especially here in NY. There’s NY “x” factor at work, and many guys who are really good players elsewhere seem to shrink under the scrutiny that exists here.

    Right now I think a couple of things are hurting the Yankees: Aceves mainly, but also Mitre, missing as long men. Puts more pressure on the other guys in the pen. Also, Cisco has fallen back down to earth. He was huge in the beginning of the season with RISP. He’s majorly slumping right now. He may bounce back, sure, but he’s not the asset he was earlier. Thames may not be able to field very well, but his bat is missed. And even NJ did add to that lineup.

    Truth be told, this team hasn’t been whole since April. It is amazing to me that they are where they are and I am happy with that. I am holding onto hope that they will get stronger after the ASB. In the meantime, I’m not stressing this slow period. :)

  111. Billy D July 2nd, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    “If you get DeJesus, who in the OF sits or is traded?”

    Personally don’t care if they get DeJesus or not, but if they did, it would probably mean a lot less of Cervelli in the lineup.

  112. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    Personally don’t care if they get DeJesus or not, but if they did, it would probably mean a lot less of Cervelli in the lineup.
    ———————————
    So Jorge would be the everyday catcher?

  113. Bret the Hitman July 2nd, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Mick,

    Gardner + Romine for DeJesus + Soria.

    Problem solved.

    Posada can still DH and we upgrade the lineup with DeJesus.

  114. Keith--FL July 2nd, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Gardner and Granderson platoon…with Gardner playing vs. lefties all the time….I think this would be beneficial to both for this year and beyond and strenghthen the bench with a good 4th outfielder in case of injury….plus Gardner seems to get minor injuries alot….

  115. SAS July 2nd, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    As far as the Knicks go, that would make for exciting basketball in NY after many years of dreadful basketball. The 3rd round of the playoffs sounds like ‘la la’ land after what has been going on.

  116. Billy D July 2nd, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    “So Jorge would be the everyday catcher?”

    Wouldn’t bother me if Posada is catching 5 days a week either. Cervelli is a back-up. He’s not a good hitter and he’s nothing special behind the plate.

  117. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Gardner for dejesus is a wash.
    They wont give Soria for Romine.
    Maybe Montero.
    Doubt that too.

  118. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Gardner + Romine for DeJesus + Soria.

    I would rather lose than make that trade.

  119. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Posada catching 5 days a week would kill him.
    Maybe in the postseason, but not now.

  120. Louis Friend July 2nd, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Keith–FL
    ….this current team needs a shake-up, this is not a rough patch at all, trades need to be made…..and trading Joba and Montero for Soria and Dejesus solves many problems….basically Soria is much better at the role Joba has right now and Montero is a great prospect but will he be great for us in the next 2 years when we need him as AROD, Jeter, Posada are even older…this is why you have minor league depth, to use it to help out the big club…
    ————————————————————————————————
    Consistently playing such short-term interests is how teams who enjoy a significant financial advantage over their competitors get brought back to the pack.

  121. Billy D July 2nd, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    “They wont give Soria for Romine.”

    Wouldn’t be so sure about that.

  122. SAS July 2nd, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    If they can’t trade Joba, they could send him to the minors for a tune up.

    It would be nice if Dave Duncan would come here, but I am sure over the years Cashman has inquired about him. Just don’t send LaRussa with him.

    Maybe Philly would trade Werthan as a rental player. They certainly need help at the moment.

  123. MTU(aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Rich-

    I don’t make that trade either.

    Now, if Soria could be had separately for a different type of package then I might bite.

  124. mick July 2nd, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Jeter is puzzling to me.
    He is not the same.

  125. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    “If they can’t trade Joba, they could send him to the minors for a tune up.”

    To extend the metaphor, he needs an overhaul.

  126. Bret the Hitman July 2nd, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    Doreen,

    Tell me about it.

    I was pumped to see Joba in 2007.

    I was thrilled to hear that he threw a change and curve in addition to his fastball/slider.

    I thought he could be Roger Clemens if everything worked out perfectly for him.

    I thought he’d win the 5th spot in spring training 2010.

    I still think he can turn around his season in the pen and possibly be fixed enough to return to the rotation as the 5th starter in 2011.

    If some team asks about him, I’m definitely listening though because he is high maintenance.

    He just might be the kind of player who needs a change of scenery and a major epiphany to realize that he has to work to realize his talent.

    Josh Hamilton did it.

    I’d love it if the Royals see value in Joba.

    Ya never know.

  127. MTU(aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    SAS-

    I believe Dave Duncan has some sort of personal grievance against the Yankees.

    Don’t think he would consider them even if the Yanks were interested.

  128. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 2nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Bret -

    Ya never know! :)

  129. SAS July 2nd, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    MTU,

    I agree with you. It was mentioned earlier so I responded. I think Eiland is a very good pitching coach. Look at AJ today. He was overdue for a good start, but his was excellent after many ugly starts.

  130. SAS July 2nd, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    MTU.

    Eiland is a very good pitching coach. I was being facetious about Duncan.

  131. P- July 2nd, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    wow and joe didnt even mention just how dreadful his offense is and has been for over a month.

    i mean what can he really say? this offense friggin stinks? doesnt solve anythin to voice what everubody already knows…

    also if arod came crawling back after his optout blunder, how could anybody give him that type of money…

    big stein couldnt be bullied by boras.. he would pay dont get me wrong .. but he wouldnt get fleeced.

    i surely hope we dont get fleeced by jeter and have 4 40 year olds a few years down the road!

    seems like the only way to stock the minors is to lose for a few years and aquire first round picks!

  132. SAS July 2nd, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Sorry for the duplication, but what I said first didn’t go on to the board so I rewrote it.

  133. Louis Friend July 2nd, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Dave Duncan is not a pitching savior. He does do an excellent job of consistently getting his pitchers to throw strikes and keep the ball down. In the end, it’s the horses that get you to the end of the race.

  134. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    “I think Eiland is a very good pitching coach. Look at AJ today. He was overdue for a good start, but his was excellent after many ugly starts.”

    I think that’s an example of selection bias.

  135. MTU(aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    I don’t think anyone has been a bigger supporter of Joba than me.

    That being said, it seems clear to me that unless or until his mechanics become consistent his future is very limited. Right now he is neither a starter nor an effective reliever.

    The big questions are, Why are are his mechanics so inconsistent ? Why does he have so much trouble repeating his delivery ? No one has a satisfactory answer, and no one REALLY knows why.

    There are many theories but no definitive answers. It has been speculated about Ad Nauseum.

    The only thing I can say is that I do wish Joba had gone to a conditioning institute in the off season because it could only have helped.

    At this point, there seem to be 3 options left:

    1 Do nothing and just let him go as is and hope he can find it.

    2 Send him to the minors for re-work.

    3 Trade him

    I personally favor either #2 or #3. I don’t think #1 is going to happen. At least not this season.

    Just my 2 cents worth.

  136. SAS July 2nd, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    If my memory serves me correctly, he only can be sent down by August something. After that he has been in the Majors too long.

  137. George C. July 2nd, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Joba is another headcase with zero pitching IQ. In his mind he probably thinks he’s been pretty decent. Haven’t you heard his excuses after every putrid start last year? Him and Ian Kennedy are the same in terms of accountability.

  138. MTU(aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    SAS-

    You are correct.

  139. MTU(aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    The Joba experience has taught me a very valuable lesson.

    It is very hard for a prospect to reach their cieling especially if that prospect happens to be a Pitcher.

    It takes a lot more than just raw talent to succeed at the ML level. It will no longer be lost on me. It has been completely driven home.

    Guess I’m a slow learner. :(

  140. Louis Friend July 2nd, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Sending Joba to AAA (not out of punitive frustration) and bringing up Albaladejo.

  141. G. Love July 2nd, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    MTU,

    I send Joba down. I can’t imagine an opposing GM being excited about acquiring him.

    To me, he’s the type of player who could go off the rails if he were traded and didn’t like the new city/team. He’s got a DUI already.

    He’s a headcase. The Yankees are enabling this man to be the mediocre player he is. It’s almost as if the Yankees have given up on his long term prospects and just want to get some use out of him.

    He needs to be broken down. He needs to humbled. He needs a sports psychiatrist because I think he has massive personal issues.

    Most of all, he needs to learn how to use his gift away from NYC and MLB. No more 5 star hotels and restaurants and clubs.

    I said earlier today the Yankees should take away his entrance music and play something generic when he’s warming up.

    He’s no longer an event. He’s a flop.

    The offense is horrible right now and it’s the worst I’ve seen here in a very long time.

    But we had the game won if Joba came in and did his job today.

    Girardi and Cashman must sit there and wish and hope he’ll revert to what he was in Arizona that one night last week.

    But they also see what we see. The guy cannot command his pitches and has no idea how to bring himself back once he falls apart a little.

    Eiland and Cervelli and Jeter all had to urge him to focus today. Jeter didn’t come to the mound, but he made eye contact with Joba and Joba nodded to him like “I got it”. He then gave the game away.

    I would send him to Tampa with the best pitching coach in the system and work on him.

    I know what the Yankees are thinking. They probably think “well he’s not our worst reliever” so how could they send him out. If they are content with him being a step below Kyle Farnsworth (which is what Joba is right now) then so be it.

    I still think there’s better in there, but unless this young man gets humbled and has everything taken away from him, I don’t see it ever coming out again.

    I don’t pitching is Joba’s focus right now. I think being Joba on the Yankees is his focus.

  142. MTU(aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    G. Love-

    I think we are saying the same thing in different ways. :)

  143. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    I think Halladay was sent to A ball. Joba needs to be remade.

  144. Abe's Odd World July 2nd, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    When this team is good – it’s awesome. When it sucks – it sucks horribly. Hopefully they go on a hot streak sooner rather than later.

  145. MTU(aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Rich-

    It certainly is worth a shot. They are not getting what they hoped for out of him at the ML level. He is in the process of pitching himself off the team anyway.

    I hoped, like so many others, that he would pull a Hughes. But I no longer see it happening.

  146. G. Love July 2nd, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    When I was at dinner tonight I was saying to my friend that Joba reminds me of Leyritz when he was here as a player for some reason. I can’t put my finger on why, but when I look at Joba now I see Leyritz.

  147. George C. July 2nd, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    Halladay’s remake was possible because he has high pitching IQ and dedication. Joba’s got no IQ and dedication for pork ribs and burgers. Wish it was that easy. Sorry, don’t see it.

  148. Yankee Trader July 2nd, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    The Royals have the 2nd best batting average in baseball. Their bullpen is better than ours. They need starting pitching and have contracts they are probably willing to unload, like Kyle Farnsworth, Yuniesky Betancourt[ signed thru 2011] and definitely Jose Guillen. Soria would be terrific but currently has a reasonable contract and would cost a boatload to obtain.

    From Cot’s contracts:

    Joakim Soria rhp
    3 years/$8.75M (2009-11), plus 2012-14 club options

    3 years/$8.75M (2009-11), plus 2012-14 club options

    signed extension with Kansas City 5/17/08
    09:$1M, 10:$3M, 11:$4M, 12:$6M club option, 13:$8M club option, 14:$8.75M club option ($0.75M buyout for each option)
    escalators based on IP (as starter) or games finished (as reliever)
    2012 option guaranteed at $6M with 55 games in 2011 or 110 games in 2010-11

    2012 option guaranteed at $6.5M with 400 IP in 2010-11

  149. just a thought July 2nd, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    I see one heck of a hotstove, Park, Joba, Gaudin, Robertson, and Marte, some might be out of a job.

    Joba should go to the Pirates
    Gaudin to Brewers
    Robertson should experience the Orioles
    Park to the Cubs
    Marte to Royals

    Jeter and Posada should volunteer to retire !!

    It’s a wish list

  150. Yankee Trader July 2nd, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    When I was at dinner tonight I was saying to my friend that Joba reminds me of Leyritz when he was here as a player for some reason. I can’t put my finger on why, but when I look at Joba now I see Leyritz.
    ————————————————————

    I think you meant to say Hideki Irabu!!!!!!!!!!!

  151. keeping it real July 2nd, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    If I were Cashman I put Joba in AA ball and forget about him like Igawa.

  152. SAS July 2nd, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    At least Joba can still be sent down. You all are right. To Joba whatever he is earning is lots of money for a guy his age. Sometimes it comes too easy too soon, and if you don’t have the personal character to accept it, it comes tumbling down.

    Probably the kindest thing the Yankees could do is to send him back to where he came from and maybe then he will ‘get it’.

  153. Yankee Trader July 2nd, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Astros would probably love to unload the contracts of two pitchers-Brett Myers and Brandon Lyon.

    Ted Lilly for Javy Vazquez. Work in that deal lefty Sean Marshall.

    Josh Willingham? Ty Wiggington?

  154. Moo July 2nd, 2010 at 10:59 pm

    I want to see a lineup change. Jeter/Swish/A-Rod/Cano/Tex/Granderson/Posada/Cervelli/Gardner

    Or Cano 3 Alex 4.

  155. MTU(aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    YT-

    I don’t think the Yankees can do buisness with the O’s due to the potential for a severe “Yankee Tax” in any trades.

    Too bad because Wigginton would be a great get under the right circumstances

  156. George C. July 2nd, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    Price hard luck loser against twins. Two runs 4 hits CG. TB offense gave him 1 run on 9 hits – trying to play can you top this with the Yanks’ suck ass lineup.

  157. Yankee Trader July 2nd, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    MTU-

    The O’s want a young shortstop and would ask for Nunez, so no I wouldn’t do that deal.

  158. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    “…but when I look at Joba now I see Leyritz.”

    I view Leyritz as an overachiever and Joba as an underachiever.

    Unless you’re talking about off the field behavior, of which I have no idea.

  159. Haiku-man July 2nd, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    TB loses 2-1

    It took David Price 6 2/3 innings, and 100 pitches to give up 1 run, at 101 pitches he gave up another. He went 8 innings and 122 pitches to get the loss.

  160. Joba Farnsworth July 2nd, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    wow just DFA Park already – how much longer are we stuck with him while guys like Nova and Sanchez who actually can go multiple innings and not suck toil in Triple A? heck even albaladejo or melancon.

  161. MTU(aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    YT-

    Agreed. Nunez has become very valuable. Not trading him for a Wiggington.

  162. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    MTU

    You said you live near mountains. If I can ask, which ones?

  163. MTU(aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Have a good Night everyone.

    See you all in the morning. :)

  164. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    I guess I’ll never know…

  165. MTU(aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    Rich-

    Depends on how much driving one wants to do.

    In my immediate are are The Pine Valley Mountains with the highest summit @ over 10K.

    Within about an hours drive are the Tushars which reach over 12K.

    Going a bit further north are the the Wasatch and Unitas where 13K is possible.

    Why did you want to know ?

  166. pistol pete July 2nd, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    I barked a month ago that we needed a bat and we really do. Our bullpen except Mo stinks and we can’t hit. Granderson is a bust, Tex has stunk all year, we need a bat bad. Guillen (KC), Wiggington (Balt), how about relief pitching help Brandon Lyon (astros). We need help and we need it now.

  167. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    I didn’t think the pen was going to fix Joba – there’s nothing special about the pen. Phil just needed a chance to face major leaguers regularly and regain his confidence; becoming a reliever helped in that regard, but not because it cast some magic spell on him. Phil is a smart kid and it didn’t take him long to figure out that he couldn’t afford to fall behind hitters. So, he attacked, attacked and attacked. He also was grateful just to be in the majors; for all the hype he received, he’s been sent down to the minors plenty (wherea Joba has had a free ride up here). Phil could have been sent down when Wang returned, but the Yankees kept him up here. He’s been through a lot for a 24 year old – suffered two major leg injuries and got battered in his return in August 2007. He suffered a rib injury in 2008, got battered and completely lost his confidence. So, Phil has suffered adversity – AND he got called out by one of his teammates, publicly. How humiliating is that? For all this, the kid was grateful to get another shot in the majors and he took advantage of it last year. Think it wasn’t frustrating for him to be a completely forgotten prospect when Joba-mania conquered the world? Joba allowed himself to get a big head – guess what, Joba, the media no longer cares about you and companies are no longer falling all over you to try and attract you to pimp their products. Joba started to think he was all that and more besides; that’s nothing the pen can help him with.

  168. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    MTU

    You mentioned the other day that you were going to hike in the mountains and it piqued my interest. I live near the Ramapo Mountains.

  169. LGY July 2nd, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Wade + Bosh to Chi Town

    Amare + Bron Bron to the Big Apple

    Book it.

  170. MTU(aka GBURL) July 2nd, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Rich-

    Those ain’t mountains. Those are hills. Good night for real this time. :)

  171. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    We can start giving the Red Sox credit now – Nava and McDonald and whomever they bring up just continue to get the job done. It’s not fair for us to criticize them and say they are all flukes, when we praised the Yankees call-ups for contributing. The Sox are a win away from being in first place – they’ve been fairly remarkable.

  172. Jaba Tips his Cap July 2nd, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    I won’t be surprised if Sux takes 2-3 games lead at ASG.

    Their core offense players played better than ours. I know someone will mention Cano, but he cannot bat 3rd, 4th AND 5th.

  173. gfd July 2nd, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    Larussa/Duncan don’t like rookies they don’t want to develope them, no Joba for the Cardinals.

  174. Rich in NJ July 2nd, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    “Those ain’t mountains. Those are hills.”

    So many lines so little time…

  175. Moo July 2nd, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    # Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 2nd, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    We can start giving the Red Sox credit now – Nava and McDonald and whomever they bring up just continue to get the job done. It’s not fair for us to criticize them and say they are all flukes, when we praised the Yankees call-ups for contributing. The Sox are a win away from being in first place – they’ve been fairly remarkable.

    That just goes to show you how pathetic and underachieving our team has been. I never see anyone criticizing the Sox for no reason. They only do it in defense of the annoying trolls, which is to be expect.

  176. melladie July 3rd, 2010 at 12:00 am

    If only…

  177. Moo July 3rd, 2010 at 12:02 am

    expected***

  178. l.h.h. July 3rd, 2010 at 12:23 am

    Cashman screwed the pooch last off-season.

    He gets a free pass because the victory parade is still fresh in everyone’s minds, but the simple fact is every move he made (w/the possible exception of Javy) has back-fired.

    If not for A-Rod’s epic heroics last October, he’d be looking like real chump right now.

  179. Gary Ruppart July 3rd, 2010 at 12:50 am

    The fact is that the Red Sawx can get meaningful contributions from nobodies like Donald McDonalds any Danny Nadda but the Yankees can’t depend on Any of their stars. Pathetic.

  180. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2010 at 12:53 am

    “If not for A-Rod’s epic heroics last October, he’d be looking like real chump right now.”

    You do realize that almost every successful person can point to the same fortunate turn of events, right?

    That’s why, as Branch Rickey said, luck is the residue of design.

  181. kevin July 3rd, 2010 at 12:55 am

    i can’t believe people are making such a big deal about joba chamberlain, a pitcher who is making the near minimum for our team

    i mean sure expectations were huge for the guy but maybe we should taper those

    more focus should be on established superstars who are not getting it done either, namely people on offense

    also trading gardner would be extremely ill advised, he has been one of our most consistent players all year, and he looks to be blossoming into a very nice player for the Yanks for the next few years

  182. Tyler July 3rd, 2010 at 1:11 am

    Billy D July 2nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm
    “The Knicks will seek to be Phoenix East.”

    Just good enough to lose in the 2nd, maybe 3rd round of the playoffs?
    —————————

    At this poin that sounds pretty good lol. I’d love to see the Garden rocking for a playoff game again.

    I think if Wade goes to Chicago, Lebron will come to the Big Apple. Something about seeing Wade go to a big market will make James want to enter a bigger market and have the greatest city in the world in his hands. Lebron loves the hype, attention, and all that other glitzy stuff. These meetings he’s having with teams are pure bs in my opinion. He has like a month to think about this. His mind could easily already be made up. He just loves the attention. That’s the difference between him and Kobe imo. Kobe just wins. Lebrons wants all the glamor.

  183. G. Love July 3rd, 2010 at 1:16 am

    Saying the Yankees can’t depend on their stars is not fair at this point in the season.

    That said, if the current offensive performance continues throughout the season, then this will go down as one of the more disappointing Yankee teams in a long time. They won’t make the post season with the offense they’ve been producing since June.

    People keep pointing to old age, but outside of Posada, Jeter and Arod, the rest of these guys are in their prime age years. If 1/3 of our lineup is old, that’s nothing considering 2 of the are 1st ballot hall of famers and 1 is a borderline hall of famer.

    I think they’ll pull out of this slump but guessing when the whole team is going to collectively decide to click and stop treating every opposing pitcher as Cy Young is a mystery right now.

    The talent is there throughout the lineup, but there is something wrong collectively.

    While I don’t think Damon and Matsui, based on their current output for their new teams, would have made a difference, perhaps their veteran “hero” presence in the lineup made the rest of the lineup relax and perform to the best of their abilities.

    I kept parroting what everyone else said that the team wasn’t going to miss them, but as it stands right now, something is missing from this team and it can’t just be the tender jowls of Nick Johnson.

  184. Tyler July 3rd, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Gosh Betances is such a bum. Raises his ERA to 0.64 today. Trade him immeaditely. 5 IP 2 hits 1 ER, 2 BB, 6 Ks……………. the guys has no stuff :)

    3-0 with a 0.64 ERA

  185. stuart July 3rd, 2010 at 1:22 am

    it is cashmans fault texiera forgot how to hit. also jeter appears to finally be slowing down significantly. also arod hitting 275 and granderson still sucking.

    also for joba being a fat dumb aj like pitcher…did someone steal Joba???who is this cliche clown???

  186. Tyler July 3rd, 2010 at 1:22 am

    G Love-

    I’ll admit that I thought NJ was a great signing. The guy has always been a solid hitter and I truthfully thought he would stay healthy as a DH. I was dead wrong and looking back on it, if the yanks were going to stay with a potential injury threat they should have just kept hideki. i think the yanks absolutely wanted to keep damon but damon was a pos and gave them a hard time. that was on damon and not the yanks in my mind. that’s why when the tigers come to the bronx i wouldn’t cheer damon.

    this team looked good 2 months ago. old age doesnt’ creep in during that short amount of time. i just think they are all hitting an extended slump at the same time. in past years they have always had a couple guys be hot at a time. this year only cano has been consistantly hot and even he has cooled a little recently. i think cash will make a trade maybe for a lance berkman type in hopes to provide a little bit more of a veteran presence and get the team going. but i expect them to start hitting. the one who frustrates me the most if grandy because he just looks terrible still vs. leftys… i thought klong was going to be able to correct some of that. he’s such a dynamic player that if he gets hot he can provide a real shot of adrenaline to the offense…

  187. LGY July 3rd, 2010 at 1:23 am

    If you want to know why the lead on Boston is so small right now you just have to go back to May 18th.

    Joba is handed a 4 run lead against the Red Sox and gives all 4 runs up.

    That is a 2 game swing in the standings. Yankees are sitting on a 2.5 game lead today if Joba is remotely effective on May 18th.

  188. Tyler July 3rd, 2010 at 1:25 am

    also for joba being a fat dumb aj like pitcher…did someone steal Joba???who is this cliche clown???
    —————————-

    joba got too big too quickly. he was the king of new york for those 2 months in august. i think it got to his head. his conditioning has been terrible. look at some of his offseason appearances. he’s been terribly out of shape. plus, that awful night in texas didn’t help him when he got hurt. joba’s delivery has always been a cause of concern along with injuries (why do you think he fell down to the yanks in the supp round). i think the yanks altered his delivery a bit after his injury and he’s lost some velocity as a result of all these factors.

    factor in that the guy can be a major headcase and he’s definitely in a big time slump right now.

  189. Tyler July 3rd, 2010 at 1:27 am

    lgy-

    that whole series had missed opportunities. the yanks should have scored 10 runs in both of those games. they had both dice-k and beckett on the ropes repeatedly and as usual recently let them off the hook. yes joba pitched atrociously but the whole team just fell asleep those 2 games. maybe the overlooked the 500 sox back then. who knows. but i dont solely blame joba for that. the whole team played lethargic baseball.

  190. LGY July 3rd, 2010 at 1:28 am

    Tex hit .313 and OPS’d .991 post All Star Break last year.

    That is the major difference in this offense right now.

    He needs to have a 2nd half like last year.

  191. Moo July 3rd, 2010 at 1:53 am

    From RAB

    The Yankees are hitting .245/.332/.405 a a team since June 1st, a forgettable .323 wOBA. That’s like having nine Cliff Pennington’s in the lineup for over a month. Yeah, exactly. No more excuses, no more tipping your cap to the other pitcher, man the frig up and get the job done.

  192. Rich in NJ July 3rd, 2010 at 2:10 am

    Jeter v. RHP:

    Career: .309/.379/.443/.822
    2010: .257 .332/.349/.681
    2009: .311 /.381 .435/.816

    That needs to change. If not, it may suggest that a long-term contract is even riskier than one would otherwise think.

    I still think NJ will make a significant contribution before the season is over, and in the playoffs.

  193. Tim July 3rd, 2010 at 3:07 am

    I want the media to blast this in every way possible, the 2010 Yankee bullpen is the worst bullpen that they have had in the last 20 years. Its deplorable, its inexcusable why Cashman is sitting on his arse! If George was in charge heads would be rolling over this already. Bring up Albaladejo already what is Cashman waiting for for Gosh sakes!!! They never should have sent down Logan, this is an abomination!!!

  194. m July 3rd, 2010 at 3:12 am

    LGY,

    Oh, that’s unfair to single out Joba for our record. Tons of coulda, shoulda, woulda. Up and down the bench and bullpen and rotation.

    If this team could hit a sac fly once in a while, they’d probably have 3-4 more wins.

    Rivera doesn’t blow that one save, that’s another win.

    I’m not happy with Joba’s bad appearances by any means, but I wouldn’t peg a 2-game swing on him. That wouldn’t be fair.

    It’s okay to be irritated with Joba for what happened today (didn’t see it, was his inning that bad?), but singling out Joba for not having a bigger lead over Boston (it’s still a lead, right?) is unfair imo.

  195. William July 3rd, 2010 at 3:56 am

    Most damning stat of the day:

    # of pitches: Yankees pen 105 in 4.1 innings, Jays pen 52 in 5 innings.

  196. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 7:25 am

    Life is sometimes just chock full of surprises.

    Here’s another one.

    When the season started who would have guessed that our BP would be a chief concern ?

    Everyone knows the story. Lot’s of solid arms. Plenty of talent in the Minors to fill holes.

    Etc., Etc. ….

    Well. Here we are practically at the midpoint of the season and guess what.

    Our BP is a concern.

    That’s surprising for sure.

    So for the time being at least we will probably have a bit of a revolving door and a BP by committee until Cash gets to pull the trigger on a trade or two.

    It’s been said many times before.

    BP’s are extremely volatile from season to season.

    This season provides even more proof.

    And you can never have enough pitching.

    Hold the fort until the cavalry arrives Men. :)

  197. sunny615 July 3rd, 2010 at 7:30 am

    I wouldn’t say bullpen is our only concern… the offense seems to sputter more often than not this year. I have to admit – I sure do wish Damon was still on the team.

  198. sunny615 July 3rd, 2010 at 7:32 am

    They scored all of 9 runs in the past 4 games. Not exactly overwhelming.

  199. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 7:34 am

    And what of the the Offense ?

    What to do there.

    1 Just hope it wakes up and starts firing on it’s own.

    2 Add an impact bat

    Who will be this year’s David Justice ? Who will ignite the rocket ?

    You have to think that Tex is gonna have a monster second half.

    And you want to believe that Grandy can pick it up.

    Questions. So many questions.

    Gonna fix itself or get fixed. Right ?

  200. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 7:36 am

    Cash is watching the trade market form.

    Just licking his chops waiting to make the right deal.

    Like a shark circling it’s pray in ever tighter circles.

    He’s ready to strike.

    At least I hope so. :)

  201. sunny615 July 3rd, 2010 at 7:36 am

    One can only hope.

  202. sunny615 July 3rd, 2010 at 7:38 am

    I just wonder why the offense seems so streaky – and it’s not just one player that’s hot or cold, it seems like they seems to get hot or cold all at the same time. When they win, they win big; but when they lose, man it’s hard to watch.

  203. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 7:41 am

    Sunny-

    I am an optimist. The Yankees are winners. They don’t just sit on their hands when they know things need to be corrected.

    I believe they see what we see and then some.

    So they are not going to sit idly by and watch while their compettiors grow stronger without doing soemething to counter it.

    That it is my belief. The Yankees are going to make some mid-course corrections like they always do. And after they do we’ll get ‘er done in style. :)

  204. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 7:44 am

    sunny615 July 3rd, 2010 at 7:30 am
    I wouldn’t say bullpen is our only concern… the offense seems to sputter more often than not this year. I have to admit – I sure do wish Damon was still on the team.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Why? Damon isn’t a $8 mil a year player anymore.

  205. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 7:44 am

    By the way. That was a great slip. It’s “prey” not “pray”. We’re not ready for that yet. :)

  206. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 7:47 am

    Morning GB.

    You’re up early today.

    Too much excitement in Dixie ?

    I think there are gonna be some very interesting equation changing trades made by the deadline.

    Don’t you ?

  207. sunny615 July 3rd, 2010 at 7:47 am

    I would agree with that for the most part, but Cash is also a pragmatist where he’s said for the most part that they should have all the tools to succeed (offensively anyway). And I would agree. A team made up of Tex, Arod, Cano, Posada, Jeter, and Swisher should be good enough to win games at a consistent level – and they are in fact in first place – but their streakiness is still disconcerting. They totally should have won yesterday and not 1-0. It should have been more like 8-0. Bases loaded – no outs, no runs. Second and third – no outs, no runs…

    I honestly see a better chance Cash addresses the bullpen before he does anything with the offense.

  208. sunny615 July 3rd, 2010 at 7:49 am

    Very true GB, but I do wish a) he was on the team and b) he was smarter about his options and value.

  209. mick July 3rd, 2010 at 7:50 am

    The bullpen is in a shambles.
    GAUdin and Park are worthless mop ups.
    Robo and Joba inconsistent.
    You CANNOT win with them.

    Optimism at this point seems pointless.

  210. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 7:51 am

    Sunny-

    All I was trying to say is that the Yankees analyze themselves a lot better than we can.

    They know what needs fixing. They are not delusional.

    They’ll analyze things and make appropriate corrections.

    Why wouldn’t they ?

    The Yankees are all about winning. It is not going to change now. :)

  211. mick July 3rd, 2010 at 7:52 am

    It will take a complete overhaul to fix this pen.

    And a 3 month hitting slump is kinda suspicious, yathink?

  212. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 7:54 am

    Mick-

    Whatever it takes is gonna happen.

    If it takes remaking the pen then they’ll do it.

    If it means shoring up the offense some then I see that happening too.

    They know what they need even more than us fans do. You can bank on that.

  213. mick July 3rd, 2010 at 7:54 am

    Too much was gutted from last year.
    Too much.
    Granderson is a major letdown and most of the moves revolved around him.
    You don’t dismantle a championship team.

  214. sunny615 July 3rd, 2010 at 7:56 am

    Gaudin will be released when Aceves returns (or Mitre). Park should be limited to one inning. Robertson needs to work on stuff and Joba is just a mess. I trust Drob more than Joba.

  215. mick July 3rd, 2010 at 7:56 am

    There are no guarantees on any moves MTU.
    We are a champion and no one is handing anything our way.
    To get, you have to give and prospects like Montero and Romine are off limits.

  216. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 7:57 am

    Mick-

    They did what they did. This is the here and the now. I want to focus on what it will take to win going forward.

    I am sure you do too. They can and they will fix it. Why wouldn’t they ?

  217. mick July 3rd, 2010 at 7:57 am

    If Aceves returns.

  218. mick July 3rd, 2010 at 7:58 am

    You make it sound so easy. It remains to be seen my friend. Remains to be seen.

  219. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Mick-

    Nobody said anything about handing things our way either.

    We have the chips to make trades. it is just a question of wether or not Cash wants to use them.

    He will if he thinks he needs to.

  220. sunny615 July 3rd, 2010 at 8:02 am

    True MTU.

    mick – we lost Matsui (who isn’t exactly raking with the Angels), Damon (who is a solid bat but can’t play the OF), so you can’t have 2 DH’s… Like I mentioned previously – Damon would have been a nice return, but like GB7 said, he priced himself out of NY.

    Coke (IMO – I never liked), Hughes is a solid starter and is better in the rotation than the pen (so that’s not a gut – that’s a switch). Still kept DRob and Joba and they’re both struggling.

    Not a huge gut IMO. Just another year. Suffice it to say, this team is still in first and still has one of the best records in the majors.

  221. sunny615 July 3rd, 2010 at 8:03 am

    with that – I’m out. My baby girl is calling as are my two boys. Time to feed them before a riot breaks out.

  222. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 8:06 am

    Sunny-

    good luck. :)

  223. NYYanksFan July 3rd, 2010 at 8:08 am

    Arizona thru Toronto

    42 Runs
    RBI breakdown

    0 Jeter
    5 Swisher
    5 Teixeira
    13 Rodriguez
    5 Cano
    4 Posada
    2 Granderson
    0 Cervelli
    1 Gardner
    4 Curtis
    2 Huffman

  224. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 8:09 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 7:47 am
    Morning GB.

    You’re up early today.

    Too much excitement in Dixie ?

    I think there are gonna be some very interesting equation changing trades made by the deadline.

    Don’t you ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    There will surelybe moves made, but, I don’t think NYY will be trading off the future for 2-3 month rentals. They may take on a big bat or a closer type, but, only as salary relief and second level talent. Who will be involved is anybody’s guess.

  225. Mark in Tampa July 3rd, 2010 at 8:11 am

    Matsui does have 10 HRs and 46 RBIs, but he is hitting .259 with a .338 OBP.

    Damon has the same number of RBIs as Granderson, but with significantly more ABs. Damon is also only hitting .269 right now, so he wasn’t necessarily the answer. I think if Granderson hadn’t been hurt, we would be much more pleased with him at this point, but, if we look at Damon v NJ, I would have rather had Damon as our DH, no doubt.

    No matter who is here and who is gone, bottom line is that Tex and Jeter have to hit the way we are used to seeing, and if Arod has a dominant second half, the offense will be fine.

  226. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Gb-

    When I said equation changing I wasn’t only referring to us.

    For example, What if the Twins or Mets acquire Lee as a rental ?

    What if the Rays bust a move involving BJ ?

    That sort of thing.

    I do not know what Cash will do but I am confident he will do something to help correct our perceived flaws.

    We may not need something major. I guess that is up to him to decide.

  227. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Upton may be gone, so they can make room for Jennings, but, it will take at least a Hellickson and perhaps Brignac for Tampa to get Lee. Seattle is going to want at least the equivalent of 2 top draft choices. The Twins problems are bullpen and middle infield types, not outfielders and starting pitching. The Mets have possibly 2 minor leaguers that may be of value, but, Fernando Martinez hasn’t shown much of anything. Seattle needs middle infield and catching help, badly. Few teams have that. I just don’t see Cashman making a run on Lee for that cost, unless it gets a deal for extending Lee and more in the deal like League and Gutierrez in an expanded deal.

    As much as he’s really a wild card personality, I might look to the Twins to see what they want for Delmon Young.

  228. NYYanksFan July 3rd, 2010 at 8:26 am

    Eduardo Nunez played third for the second night in row.

    Showcasing for a trade or a replacement for Pena or Russo?

  229. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 8:30 am

    GB-

    I was just giving some examples. I just get this feeling that there will be some potentially eye opening trades made.

    It’s really more of a gut feeling and a guess than anything else.

    It may not involve the Yankees at all. It may be other teams.

    It’s fun to speculate. And I wasn’t really thinking the Yanks would go for Lee. It hasn’t been their MO. It wouldn’t totally shock me though.

    I have to believe that Cash is a realist and the Yankees are self-evaluating big time.

    I hope that they don’t bank only on the laws of probability because they sometimes can disappoint.

    A little more insurance might be a good thing.

    I hope something good will become available to us. :)

  230. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 8:40 am

    GB-

    I think Nova and Z-Mac are potentially good trade chips. I am not sure of their perceived value to other teams.

    I would make Pena or Russo available.

    Same with some of our other minors leaguers.

    A few of our lower level catching prospects, and guys like Miranda, J. Vasquez, and even Laird.

    I wouldn’t trade Nunez, or Romine unless the return was very high end.

    Just my 3 cents. :)

  231. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 8:42 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 8:30 am
    GB-

    I was just giving some examples. I just get this feeling that there will be some potentially eye opening trades made.

    It’s really more of a gut feeling and a guess than anything else.

    It may not involve the Yankees at all. It may be other teams.

    It’s fun to speculate. And I wasn’t really thinking the Yanks would go for Lee. It hasn’t been their MO. It wouldn’t totally shock me though.

    I have to believe that Cash is a realist and the Yankees are self-evaluating big time.

    I hope that they don’t bank only on the laws of probability because they sometimes can disappoint.

    A little more insurance might be a good thing.

    I hope something good will become available to us.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, I know you were just throwing things out, but, I was just answering those. If NYY was getting involved in a big deal, and it called for a catcher, I may try to include Cervelli as the catcher and either bring up one of the AAA catching vets (Rivera or Moeller) for the year and add in a couple of good arms and a shortstop like Luis Nunez. I might even add a younger catcher like Murphy. Obviously, that would depend on what talent is coming to NYY.

    If the Yanks don’t like the idea of bringing in Moeller or Rivera, I’d bring up Romine and let him take some of the games. He’s certainly no worse than Cervelli is defensively and much better offensively. Romine is more mature than Montero right now. Montero is no problem child, but, he’s only 20 years old and would greatly benefit from having all of this year and part of next year at Scranton. Finding a solid bullpen arm is a bigger issue, though.

  232. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Laird is the only real 3rd baseman in the system that’s showing anything. He plays both infield corners, but, I think right field is where he ends up, but, he is Rodriguez’ insurance by next year. Suttle is a A ball Tampa but, no 3rd baseman and he’s not hitting, either.

  233. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 8:45 am

    GB-

    The Yankees would seem to have lot’s of potential options.

    Cash just needs to find a match. I am confident he will find one.

    Knowing when to hold ‘em and when to fold ‘em is really key for a GM.

    It isn’t easy to get the timing right. :)

  234. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 8:48 am

    GB-

    Too bad Adams got hurt. He might have made a very attractive trade chip otherwise. He is blocked by Cano.

  235. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 3rd, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Good morning all. :)

    Gorgeous day here.

    To me, the bullpen failures really have a lot to do with missing Aceves and Mitre, too, because guys who really do best with one inning exposure are being asked for multiple innings, and it’s almost always the second inning that proves to be their downfall.

    So far, when the Yankees dip down for some help, it’s not their prospects they’re calling up, but guys they’ve picked up for cheap, no? Or am I wrong about that? Logan mostly, and now Moseley? So they really haven’t, in my opinion, mined their system for bullpen help.

    Offensively, those weeks on end with guys getting hurt has definitely gotten the offense off track. The bottom of the lineup especially. It’s like last season whenever Molina was in. But in any event, I’m not overly concerned about the offense. Guys don’t just forget how to hit. I think they’ll get back to their capabilities.

    People poo-poo those of us who say they’re in first place. But I think it is a major statement that even with everything going less than stellar, they overtook the Rays and have been in first place, albeit by a small margin, for a couple of weeks now, right? Every team has its failings, and those must be even worse than what we’re complaining about for the Yankees, or the Yankees surely would have dropped by now, no?

    I know people think I’m a “Pollyanna” with regard to the Yankees. I see the flaws, I just don’t choose to dwell on them. It becomes a long, un-fun season if you do that, especially if in spite of the flaws your team is in first place or at the very least in contention for a playoff spot. In any event, after the ASB it’s almost like a fresh start.

  236. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Eduardo Nunez has played 2nd and 3rd bases before. He can play there in an emergency, but, is no better or worse than Pena at those two positions. He’s next year’s utility player, replacing Pena. He’s not likely being showcased. Scranton has no other real 3rd basemen. They’ve been playing Vazquez at 3rd base along with Bruntlett and Cusick.

  237. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 8:57 am

    MTU, Adams is probably out for the season. I’d hate to lose him, but, unless it’s in the outfield, he has no place with the Yankees. He has abot a dozen games at 3rd base, but, other than that, 2nd base is all he’s played in the pros. Solid bat, though.

  238. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 3rd, 2010 at 8:57 am

    I also don’t think they’re going to find a solid bullpen arm. I think if a guy is a solid bullpen arm, he is staying put, unless the payback is way above fair market. In other words, if the Yankees give more than the guy is worth back. I don’t see the Yankees doing that unless they become desperate, and so far they are not quite that.

    Also, bullpen guys are so fragile. Today they’re good; tomorrow they stink. And no team is going to want to help the defending World Champions repeat. Not one. It’s going to be tough for the Yankees to do much, I think.

  239. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Well said, Pollyan…..errrr….Doreen. The 3rd of July is no time for panick. Why too much baseball to play. Not even quite half way through the season.

  240. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 8:59 am

    GB-

    You know the Minor leaguers far better than me.

    Would keep the following if possible:

    Nunez
    Laird
    Brackman
    Betances
    Banuelos
    Romine
    Montero
    Phelps (?)
    Heathcott
    Sanchez

    Anybody else you add ? Any of the above you would subtract ?

  241. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Why too much

    ***Way too much baseball left***

  242. SJ44 July 3rd, 2010 at 9:08 am

    You aren’t being Pollyanna Doreen.

    You are being realistic on the ups and downs of a baseball season.

    The Yankees, like every team, has flaws. Some can be fixed at the trade deadline.

    Some will have to be solved by the guys they have playing much better. That, more than any “magic bullet” trade, is most important.

    If Jeter, Tex, Posada, Arod, and Granderson don’t hit, there is no trade to fix that issue.

  243. SJ44 July 3rd, 2010 at 9:13 am

    **have flaws**. Sorry for the typo.

    MTU,

    Re: prospects. There is no such thing as an “untouchable”. Fans always have a long list, longer than GM’s, of “untouchable” prospects.

    The fact is, everybody is available in the right deal.

    Cashman isn’t giving guys away. However, if the right deal came along, he would trade Montero or Romine.

  244. JM July 3rd, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Trading for bullpen arms is always a risky proposition. Remember Eric Gagne and the Red Sox three years ago? It’s unfortunate that there doesn’t seem to be anyone from the minors who can shore up the pen, so then Cash could just concentrate on getting another bat.

  245. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 9:23 am

    SJ-

    I understand what you are saying. Cash is quoted as saying that he would move anyone in the right trade.

    The list above would be the nice to keep ones. That’s all.

    You said to think not too big in terms of trades at the ASB.

    Do you have any guesses on who they might try to get or is it still too soon to have the full range of possible options ?

  246. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 9:26 am

    MTU, there’s a block on my response to you, so, I’m sending it 1 line at a time and maybe one name at a time.

    “MTU, those are probably the only ones that I wouldn’t want to move if at all possible.”

  247. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 9:28 am

    GB-

    thanks. Just making a list and checking it twice. We already know I’m naughty. ;)

  248. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 9:29 am

    On a lower level but not “gotta keeps” would be Adam Warren

  249. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Stoneburner, Corbin Joseph, Zoilo Almonte, Jose Ramirez, and Hector Noesi. I still really like the talents of Tim Norton and Melky Mesa, but, none of those would stop the proper trade.

  250. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 9:31 am

    No clue why the filters blocked stoneburner’s first name, Gra Ham

  251. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 9:31 am

    GB-

    You know I like Warren. Thanks. :)

  252. blake July 3rd, 2010 at 9:32 am

    SJ,
    Yea I think that’s very true. If the core guys don’t perform the way they always have then that’s something that Cashman really can’t fix mid season. The good news is that I think they will…I think they are just in a collective funk right now that will eventually end.
    I’m not not overly concerned with the offense.

    I also agree with Doreen regarding the pen. Losing Ace and Mitre has been pretty devastating because as she says it has pushed guys into roles that they normally wouldn’t be in. The only guy that’s probably not true with is Joba. He was given a set (one inning) roll and has failed to get the job done in a consistent basis.

    If they think Mitre and Aceves will be back and healthy then you can wait and see how that affects things. Otherwise if you want to win this year then I think you may have to make a move for a reliever to help get the ball to mo….yea you probably will overpay but that just may end up being the reality of the situation.

  253. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 9:33 am

    GB-

    In sum. The minors are loaded with all sorts of talent.

    Some keepers and a load of potential trade chips. :)

  254. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 3rd, 2010 at 9:34 am

    GB7 -

    It’s the “r-a-h-a-m” combination in “honor” of our former blog host. :)

  255. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Blake-

    Ace has a chronic back problem. He is not likely to be reliable for the remainder of the season. He will probably require surgery in the off season. I wouldn’t count on him.

  256. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Pretty much, MTU. Maybe classified wanna gotta keeps.

  257. SJ44 July 3rd, 2010 at 9:35 am

    It’s still too early.

    One of the issues is that there are a lot of teams within 5-7 games of a playoff spot.

    That makes it tough for GM’s to decide if they are buyers or sellers.

    Plus, and this is something most fans miss when it comes to trades, this is a business.

    Teams like the Royals for example aren’t interested in blowing up their entire team, ie: trading their best players, and watch their fans not show up the rest of the way.

    Only way they do it is if they fleece their trading partner. Cashman isn’t going to get fleeced because a segment of the fan base is in panic mode.

    If he didn’t panic in 2008, he isn’t panicking now.

    You can look at teams like Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Baltimore and see if there are players to take from those teams because they are in “For Sale” mode.

    Remembering of course, Peter Angelos would rather slit his wrists than do a team to team deal with the Yankees.

    By the ASB, we will have a better idea of available players.

  258. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 3rd, 2010 at 9:36 am

    blake -

    Yeah, overpaying is a last resort, but if it means you end up with a championship title, it’s “priceless,” isn’t it? :)

  259. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos July 3rd, 2010 at 9:34 am
    GB7 -

    It’s the “r-a-h-a-m” combination in “honor” of our former blog host.

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    Thanks, Polly. I was hoping that they’d have fixed that by now. Always thought that was a little ego driven on his part.

  260. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Now a KC deal I’d really consider making is Romine, Luis Nunez and McAllister for Billy Butler. and

  261. SJ44 July 3rd, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Losing Ace hurts because Joba has shown to be completely unreliable. If Joba had done his job, it would have mitigated the loss of Ace.

    Unfortunately, that didn’t happen and it’s going to force the Yankees to go outside to find a bullpen arm.

    There are no viable in house solutions to fix the pen.

    If there were, those guys would be on the roster right now.

  262. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 9:40 am

    SJ-

    Thanks. Wiggington would be great but doing bidness with the O’s does not seem possible w/o the aforementioned “fleecing”.

    Cleveland might have something we would want. I’ll have to look at them.

    What aboput some of the NL bottom feeders ? Anything you see there ?

  263. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 3rd, 2010 at 9:41 am

    The pen was awful when Mitre and Ace were here. Mitre is not that great at all – he did a nice job, but he’s a guy you don’t want to see too often. Losing Ace has been killer, but he’s a guy I did not count on at all coming out of ST given his back.

    M, I agree…………Joba is not solely to blame because the Yankees have an incredible shrinking lead over the Sox. They are now 27-25 since starting 21-8 – that’s basically .500 record. That’s good? The Sox are no fluke and people waiting for them to come back down to earth are going to be waiting a long time. They obviously have a terrific offense and they are getting help from all sorts of places; when this happens to the Yankees, we praise them – so, we have to do the same with the Sox.

    A poster raised a good point – the Yankees got off to a great start this yeare (remember when we thought they were a juggernaut). So, what happened – they didn’t just all of a sudden get old. Posada has been in and out of the lineup which hasn’t helped – but maybe he, of all the players, is feeling his age. I won’t say that about Jeter yet………… It’s one thing for players to not have GREAT years like last year, but most of them are not even hitting their career averages and that’s why the offense has been awful. Jeter – down year. Tex 0- brutal (and the Yankees had better hope this is not the start of a trend for him). Alex -inconsistent and not healthy. Jorge -same thing. Swisher and Cano have been great, but they are human and going to slump; you can’t ask them to carry the team by themselves. Granderson – bad year. Cervelli is playing way too much – he can’t hit. In this way, it’s been something of an unlucky year…..you expect a player or two to regress, but not almost the whole lineup.

  264. austinmac July 3rd, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Minor league players are being far too valued. To make list of 10-15 players you will not move is saying you will not trade for any significant player. Young players are suspects. Do we need to look further than Joba to prove that? It was too long ago people would have violently protested trading Joba for Haladay, Lee etc. Now, those same people want him in AAA.

    This team needs another bat and another arm, and minor league players must be used to secure them.

  265. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 3rd, 2010 at 9:46 am

    I’m going to give Cash some grief here and I love him……..come on, some scrub like Dustin Mosely? He’s awful – and he’s worried about losing him? Oh please. He’s said before that sometimes the needs of the team supercede the needs/best interests for the future of prospects. That’s why Phil was rushed in 2007 and why he was stuck in the pen last year. Why is Nova not up here? Give him a shot. Why not (can’t believe I’m saying this) Albaladejo? There have to be other arms out there – Mosely can’t pitch and he’s not going to save the day.

  266. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 9:47 am

    GB-

    I would like to do some buisness with the Royals but I think their GM
    is another who likes to try to fleece the Yanks.

    There are some interesting possibilities there though. :)

  267. LGY July 3rd, 2010 at 9:48 am

    Cashman did not “dismantle” a championship team.

    People really are being so dramatic about that team.

    The only guys who didn’t come back were Damon and Matsui. Coke wasn’t even the main LOOGY in the bullpen once Marte was healthy and ready for the playoffs. He was an afterthought on that team.

    Damon not returning has turned out to be a positive for the Yankees, because of the emergence of Gardner. Also, Damon’s OPS against LHP last year was over 100 points lower than RHP. Him, Granderson, and Gardner in the same lineup vs LHP is not exactly an ideal scenario.

    The only guy you can really complain about at this point is Matsui. And even then that has its problems. First, he is not performing nearly as well as last year. Second, with all the injuries to this team in May followed by interleague play, it is hard to see where a full time DH really would have fit in. Alex and Jorge have had to spend a lot of time at DH.

    The difference in the offense between this year and last is that the real core: Alex, Tex, and Jeter are not performing even close to their capabilities as several other people have stated.

    Fortunately, though this team’s starting pitching is MUCH stronger than last year. Last year’s team barely had 3 SP and this team has a great 1-5. They are scoring less, but they are also giving up a ton less runs.

    Pitching wins championships folks.

  268. austinmac July 3rd, 2010 at 9:48 am

    I see MLBtraderumors.com notes the Yankees may have interest in Willie Bloomquist and John McDonald. They don’t hit much, if any, better than Pena. The Yankees need a bat, not a defensive replacement.

  269. blake July 3rd, 2010 at 9:53 am

    MTU,
    I know…that’s what worries me. Its hard to predict what he will be like when/if Ace does come back.

    We’ll just have to see how things shake out

  270. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Blake-

    Chronic back problems are very hard to manage especially in athletes.

    Maybe we’ll get lucky. :)

    How’s your son doing ?

  271. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 9:57 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 9:47 am
    GB-

    I would like to do some buisness with the Royals but I think their GM
    is another who likes to try to fleece the Yanks.

    There are some interesting possibilities there though.

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    Other than the ridiculous “I want Greinke and Soria” cries, along with the daily appearance of the Dejesus groupie, Butler is the only real player of value that KC has that i’d want. Callaspo is a good bat, but, not much on defense and not a typical DH type. Bloomquist plays decent defense at all infield and outfield spots, but, not much of a bat, though, better than Pena and Russo.

  272. austinmac July 3rd, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Hughes innings limits and Lee’s availability, could those factors lead to Hughes returning to the pen?

  273. LGY July 3rd, 2010 at 9:59 am

    The same thing happened with Posada last year.

    He got hurt in May, missed a ton of time, and then came back to have an awful June. He bounced back in July though.

    One thing that jumps out about Jorge’s June is that he has a career .320 BABip. In June his number was at .240. Strangely again, basically the same thing happened in June last year when Jorge had a .236 BABip.

    I am not concerned about Jorge. He looked phenomenal at the beginning of the year. Just think it was a normal slump.

  274. blake July 3rd, 2010 at 10:01 am

    MTU,

    He’s doing better…first time he’s ever been sick really so kinda scary but he’s feeling better…thanks for asking

  275. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Blake-

    Glad to hear it. :)

  276. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 3rd, 2010 at 10:03 am

    No, Austinmac, no – that’s absolutely not happening. Phil does not have huge innings limits – all they have to do is skip him a few times. I see this is now going to pick up steam as I’ve seen people mention it here and elsewhere. You can not just keep yanking this kid in and out of the rotation. Do the Yankees want him to develop into a good starter or not? If not, then put him in the pen for the rest of his career. If they do, then they have to leave him in the rotation so he can develop.

  277. SJ44 July 3rd, 2010 at 10:04 am

    Hughes is not going to the bullpen.

    Betsy,

    Dustin Moseley is a guy they are trying as a long guy.

    He’s the 12th guy on the pitching staff.

    Why not try him?

    You don’t believe in any player on this team.

    Phil will fail in the second half, Andy can’t keep it up, Ace isn’t reliable, etc.

    We get it. This team is failing and the Red Sox are great.

    This was always going to be a three team race so, what’s changed? Nothing.

    If the Yankees were as bad as you think they are, they wouldn’t be in the race. Clearly, that’s not the case.

  278. mick July 3rd, 2010 at 10:04 am

    LGY
    Posada looks like he’s on his last legs, literally.
    He waddles rather than runs.
    How this doesn’t effect his hitting is beyond me.
    His reflexes are slow and he is a liability behind the plate.
    If Romine or Montero were ready they would be here.

  279. SSDD July 3rd, 2010 at 10:04 am

    I see MLBtraderumors.com notes the Yankees may have interest in Willie Bloomquist and John McDonald. They don’t hit much, if any, better than Pena.

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    They also mention the offensive titans Adam Kennedy and Craig Counsell. Be still my beating heart.

  280. Goodbye 1st place July 3rd, 2010 at 10:07 am

    pollyana (a.k.a Doreen)

    The Rays held 1st place for 56 days, something the Yankees won’t have a chance to do AFTER THIS WEEKEND, the pen (ranked 19th) will do them in.

  281. mick July 3rd, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Putting Phil in the bullpen for the playoffs will not effect his future as a starter.
    Until he becomes our Ace, he is still #4/5, he has to remain versatile, if it will help the team.
    A 4th starter in the playoffs might only get 1 or 2 starts, he would be more valuable in the pen if AJ and Javy are alright.

  282. SJ44 July 3rd, 2010 at 10:09 am

    That’s it’s called “rumors”.

    Cervelli’s reflexes didn’t look so great behind the plate yesterday. He was worse than Posada was on Thursday.

    Guys over 35 that slump are always “done” to fans.

    Jorge will bounce back.

    With an older team, it’s how they finish and not how they start.

  283. LGY July 3rd, 2010 at 10:10 am

    mick,

    You are getting way too caught up in one month from Posada. Like I said, he basically went through the same exact thing last year at the same exact time and it turned out fine.

    People continue to obsess over the core’s age year after year. Age does not explain everything. Age does not automatically lead to decline.

    Jorge looked GREAT at the plate the first month of the season. He got hurt and went through a slump. It happens. That doesn’t mean he is on his last legs.

    How do you explain how Cervelli has looked the past month?

    He is 24 years old and has looked horrible behind the plate. He has been lazy defensively for a month now. He keeps doing this crap where he throws off his knees.

    Yesterday, Cervelli dropped an easy pitch that almost led to a run. He did the same exact thing Jorge did the day before!

    Jorge got killed for that. Half the people on here said he was done behind the plate after that. Cervelli at 24 did the same exact thing. Not a peep on here.

    Is Cervelli on his last legs at 24?

  284. mick July 3rd, 2010 at 10:10 am

    SJ
    If you’re gonna fake it, make it good ok?

  285. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 3rd, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Goodbye -

    It’s who holds first place last, not who holds it longest. Still a lot of season left. I don’t care if they’re in and out of first place ten times between now and the last day of the season. I don’t care if they’re in second, if it still means a wild card spot.

    Heavens to mergatroid, if people can’t go with the ebb and flow of baseball, why do they follow it?

  286. SJ44 July 3rd, 2010 at 10:12 am

    I didn’t know the season ended on the 4th of July.

    Evidently, the trolls think it does.

    Let me know when the playoffs start.

    Maybe they moved the schedule up this year and didn’t tell us.

  287. SJ44 July 3rd, 2010 at 10:14 am

    I’m not an imposter. I’m just not in a panic about this team.

    Why is that so difficult to understand?

  288. mick July 3rd, 2010 at 10:14 am

    LGY
    Cmon, you are overreacting. If Jorge doesn’t look worse to you than last year I don’t know what you are watching.
    Cervelli is all we have right now and no one is singing high praise to him.
    Jorge cannot catch everyday and you know that.
    If Montero were ready Jorge would DH. He is old and next year will probably be his last.

  289. blake July 3rd, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Doreen already wins post of the day for saying heavens to mergatroid :)

  290. mick July 3rd, 2010 at 10:15 am

    SJ
    You are an imposter and a bad one.
    The other one is better.

  291. SJ44 July 3rd, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Doreen,

    That’s the thing. Some of these people act as if it’s the first year they followed this team.

    It’s amazing how they treat every game as if it’s a must win and how it will affect the rest of the season. When in fact, it doesn’t.

  292. LGY July 3rd, 2010 at 10:16 am

    The Yankees got by with basically just Mo and Marte in the playoffs last year.

    If you remember Hughes was terrible and Joba was throwing meatballs that even Pedro Feliz took out of the park.

    Most of the offense was MIA in the playoffs last year. Swisher was eventually benched and a huge segment of this blog wanted Damon benched after the Minnesota series.

    Every year Yankee fans demand a BP arm and a bat at the deadline.

    But at the end of the day, starting pitching wins championships.

    If Hughes is one of the best 4 come playoff time he will be getting the ball.

  293. SJ44 July 3rd, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Sorry Mick, I’m not. Email Chad and he can check the IP address.

    You choose to panic. I don’t. Different strokes for different folks.

  294. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 10:19 am

    blake July 3rd, 2010 at 10:14 am
    Doreen already wins post of the day for saying heavens to mergatroid

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    I’m more impressed by the fact that somebody could spell “mergatroid” than I am by somebody using it in a post.

  295. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 3rd, 2010 at 10:20 am

    SJ, you simply are not reading my posts if you think I don’t believe in anyone. You think that everything is going to be rosy, that the Yankees have no problems. What makes your brand of fandom better than mine?

    You completely twist my words, I’m sorry, but you do. I have said that Andy won’t pitch to a 2 ERA – and I’ve said that I still expect him to pitch well. LOL You never bring that up, you only bring up the fact that I’ve said Andy isn’t going to pitch THIS well.

    You said a few days ago there is no proof that Phil is going to continue to struggle. Well great – where is your proof he’s going to turn it around. You’re going to talk about SSS? His 6 starts were a SSS compared to his last 8. Just because you think he’s going to find it again does’t mean he will – prove it to me. You can’t – it’s just an opinion. Yes, I think he’s going to struggle and it has nothing to do with talent unless you are saying talented pitchers don’t struggle. He hasn’t had good command for two months – that’s a long time. Where exactly did it go? You think he can get by as is throwing 2 pitches, well great – that’s your opinion, again it’s not fact. He dominated earlier because (a) he had great stuff (b) he had great command and (c) teams were not that familiar with him. Well, his stuff isn’t quite as good, he hasn’t had good command and now teams have scouted him out. You don’t think he has to adjust?

    LOL about ACE. Give me a break – the guy has back problems and so yeah, I don’t think he’s reliable. If you do, good for you – you’re right, back problems are NO big deal.

    I’m just giving credit to the Sox, something you refuse to do.

  296. LGY July 3rd, 2010 at 10:20 am

    mick,

    I don’t get caught up in one month during the baseball season. I don’t cry that Jorge is done just because he went through a normal slump.

    Right now, we have a 2 month sample on Jorge since he missed most of May. In April he was outstanding. In June he was terrible.

    His real talent level at this point is very likely somewhere in between. Which is basically the exact same guy he has been for years.

    Yes, he is not as good behind the plate. But he is not some dire liability behind there as most of the Posada haters on here make him out to be.

    He is not done at the plate though. It was slump. This is baseball. It happens every single year to every single baseball player young or old.

  297. MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 10:21 am

    GB-

    Heavens to Betsy would have been easier. :)

  298. mick July 3rd, 2010 at 10:21 am

    That’s the thing. Some of these people act as if it’s the first year they followed this team.

    It’s amazing how they treat every game as if it’s a must win and how it will affect the rest of the season. When in fact, it doesn’t.
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    Fake SJ-
    No need to get high and mighty.
    The real one wouldn’t do that.
    I have known Yankee fans my entire life and the real FANatics HATE when they lose.
    That is our pedigree, like it or not.
    Passion separates the real fan from the Johnny come latelys.

  299. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 10:23 am

    MTU (aka GBURL) July 3rd, 2010 at 10:21 am
    GB-

    Heavens to Betsy would have been easier.

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    A simple “Damned, people” keeps you out of trouble with spellers and Betsy. I’d rather tangle with the word filters than those.

  300. mick July 3rd, 2010 at 10:24 am

    LGY
    I hope you are right about Jorge. But don’t discount the age factor. There is only so much wear and tear a 39 year old can take. This goes for Jeter and Arod as well. Tex, I don’t know what his problem is but 3 month slumps are not the same as 1 monthers.

  301. GreenBeret7 July 3rd, 2010 at 10:27 am

    well, I’ve been a “Johnny come lately” Yankee fan since 1955, and, I’ll be concerned when they are two games out of first when there’s one game to play. Not before.

  302. SJ44 July 3rd, 2010 at 10:27 am

    They are going to lose games. It comes with the territory.

    You do realize they won their 4 of their last 5 series, despite not playing well?

    Teams scuffle during the course of the year. It happens. You just have to deal with it and believe there is too much talent on the team to scuffle all season. Which I do.

    Betsy,

    Hughes has had command issues for two months.

    Honestly, where do you come up with this stuff?

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