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Future still uncertain for Andy Pettitte

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on Jul 06, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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When Andy Pettitte made his first all-star team in 1996, he was 24 years old and the other Yankees representatives were Wade Boggs and John Wetteland: Two players who haven’t been in Major League Baseball since 2000. That day, Pettitte had as many American League teammates who are currently in the Hall of Fame (Boggs and Cal Ripken) as are currently playing in the big leagues (Alex and Ivan Rodriguez).

Pettitte has played beyond almost all of the other 1996 all-stars, but he said making this year’s team doesn’t have him thinking any more or less about when he’ll finally call it a career.

“I’m exactly where I’ve been all along,” he said. “I’ll get through the end of this season, see where we’re at and reevaluate it. As I stand here today, I don’t plan on pitching three or four years from now. Things can change, and I know people keep asking me that, but I feel like I need to go home and be with my family; be a dad and be a husband.”

Pettitte had plans of going to Texas during the all-star break. He was going to spend that time at home with his family, but he’ll instead spend that family time in Anaheim. He’ll have his boys in the clubhouse with him.

“Josh was 6 last time,” Pettitte said. “He was out on the field with me and stuff like that and was able to be in the clubhouse and meet some the guys, but Jared was too young and obviously Luke wasn’t around. It’ll just be special for them. They’re extremely fired up about it.”

Here’s Pettitte’s reaction to finding out he was definitely going to the All-Star Game.

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162 Responses to “Future still uncertain for Andy Pettitte”

  1. RichThomas July 6th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Good for Andy. Classy as he came into the league, classy as he handled this slight delay in making the team. Let’s hope he can get the starting nod.

    VOTE SWISH!!!!!

  2. LGY July 6th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Is Wilson Ramos really still highly regarded?

    I have never seen him play so I have no idea.

    But there is adjusting to AAA like Montero is doing this year and then there is getting absolutely clobbered by AAA pitching like Ramos is with a .587 OPS.

    Can you really give Ramos a pass when he has been that bad?

  3. Rishi July 6th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    is it just me – can’t get the audio to work

  4. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Andy will be remembered right up there with Whitey Ford and Allie Reynolds as the best Yankees SP’s of all time.

  5. SJ44 July 6th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    LGY, It depends on how scouts see him. In most cases, unless a guy just loses the ability to play, a bad half season usually doesn’t diminish him as a prospect in teams’ eyes.

    That’s the wild card in scouting. Everybody has different opinions.

    The Seattle may really like the Ramos, regardless of the numbers he’s putting up this year.

    Or, they could be leaking like a seive to get the other teams they are talking to off the bump and make offers.

    Often, its a big game of chicken to see who blinks first.

  6. Billy D July 6th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    “Can you really give Ramos a pass when he has been that bad?”

    The .587 is an outlier based on what he’s done to this point. He did alright in his cup of coffee earlier in the year. From what I understand, he’s more noted for his outstanding work behind the plate than to the right of it. It’s long been suggested that despite outstanding bat speed his lack of plate discipline could hurt him against stronger pitching.

  7. five iron from fenway July 6th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Montero for Lee straight up – any takers?

  8. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Re: Lee, if the Twins are willing to pay that much for a half-season of him, let them do so. The Yankees can just snag him up with a big-time offer in the offseason. The Twins aren’t exactly known for spending, so having a team like that snag up Lee might be a good thing.

  9. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    # five iron from fenway July 6th, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Montero for Lee straight up – any takers?

    ——————

    #1 prospect for what amounts to a half-season rental? No thanks. Just pay for him in the offseason. Easy peasy.

  10. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    The Tampa Yankee rookies are playing. Culver gave them a 2-0 lead with a 2 run triple. Sergio Mitre with 2 perfect innings and 5 strikeouts. 19 year old center fielder Kelvin Duran is 1-1 with a steal.

    Gary Sanchez’ batting average has plummeted all the way down to .447 to go along with a paltry 3 homers and 12 RBI in 10 games.

  11. pat July 6th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    GB

    Just reinforces my belief that the Yankees don’t care what others value a player at just what they value a player at and sometimes overpaying, pays off.

    Ticket revenue from postseason 2009 was $72 million dollars. They paid for Alex, Tex and CC last year with that alone before they sold a beer or a hot dog.

  12. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    pat July 6th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Ticket revenue from postseason 2009 was $72 million dollars. They paid for Alex, Tex and CC last year with that alone before they sold a beer or a hot dog.

    ———–

    Right on the mark. This is why teams like the Twins are willing to pay a lot in terms of talent for a half season rental. Ticket sales.

    The Yankees don’t need any such subterfuge. They are going to the postseason with the team as currently constructed, either as AL East champs or as the WC.

    So sign Lee in the offseason, and keep all the talent.

  13. NYY626 July 6th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    I think Andy needs to get over this whole family thing and just pitch! I mean really, his wife and kids aren’t going anywhere. ( I kid, I kid…kinda.) Seriously, I’m very happy for him and I hope that his kids have a great time. Its nice that its such a family event. I read an article the other day where Halladay said he brought his kids to the game last year and they stared at Jeter in the locker room for a good 40 minutes. One of the best all star game moments was when lil Jorge ran out on the field. That was too cute.

  14. LGY July 6th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    I definitely understand what you guys are saying about how a bad half season shouldn’t close the book on Ramos as a prospect or something.

    But, I just feel that given what he has done with his promotion the Twins should have a difficult time selling him as a centerpiece of a trade for Lee. Which is what they are basically doing by only offering 2 players.

    If I am Jack Z and my scouts still really like Ramos, then I imagine he could go to the Twins and say we want Ramos in the package, but you are going to have to do more than that given the season Ramos is having.

    Even though it is only a half season and I don’t like basing opinions on that short of a team period, IMO being that bad at AAA should raise a red flag at least in terms of the value he brings in a package.

  15. five iron from fenway July 6th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    vblade – that was the Cliff’s notes version of the question from the previous thread.
    The rest is if the Yankees could talk to Lee and get him to sign an extension now.
    But as was said before, going to a team like the Twins gives the Yankees a shot in the offseason for nothing more than a draft pick. However, if the Red Sox (doubt they would or could do it) got into the mix I would be more worried that they would lock Lee up long term.

  16. JM July 6th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    #Rishi July 6th, 2010 at 11:30 am
    is it just me ? can?t get the audio to work

    seems to be working

  17. RichThomas July 6th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Ramos is a plus plus defender according to basebal prospectus.

    It is not savvy baseball sense to trade a top prospect for a rent-a-player, especially when the top prospect in question hasn’t performed up to his standards. Just my two cents.

  18. Vote for Swish! July 6th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    It’s 11:47 am.

    Have you voted for Swish today?

  19. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 6th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Rishi -

    Mine wasn’t working and then I remembered I had muted out the sound earlier today. :)

  20. Billy D July 6th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    “Which is what they are basically doing by only offering 2 players.”

    If indeed Hicks is the other player, I’m not so sure that Ramos is the centerpiece. Hicks is a pretty well regarded prospect himself.

  21. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    pat July 6th, 2010 at 11:39 am
    GB

    Just reinforces my belief that the Yankees don’t care what others value a player at just what they value a player at and sometimes overpaying, pays off.

    Ticket revenue from postseason 2009 was $72 million dollars. They paid for Alex, Tex and CC last year with that alone before they sold a beer or a hot dog.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    sounds good to me, pat. Now I can go and enjoy my $19 beer and hotdog and still get a $200 cab ride.

    Seriously, though, Cashman and the Steinbrenners are certainly factoring in all cash outlays and revenue that each player can reasonably expect to generate. It’s a foregone conclusion that they aren’t losing any money from those guys. Even with Rodriguez, if the reason people come only to boo him, it’s going to cost them to do it….same as at other parks where they get their cut. That is quite a marketing team that the Steinbrenners have put together.

  22. JM July 6th, 2010 at 11:51 am

    #Vote for Swish! July 6th, 2010 at 11:48 am
    It?s 11:47 am.

    Have you voted for Swish today?

    Yes, for 20 minutes and will vote for 20 more later.

    Vote Swish!!! :) It’s like Hudson County or Chicago-style politics….vote early and often!

    P.S. I have lived in Chicago and worked in Hudson County so, all in good fun….

  23. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    # five iron from fenway July 6th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    vblade – that was the Cliff’s notes version of the question from the previous thread.
    The rest is if the Yankees could talk to Lee and get him to sign an extension now.
    But as was said before, going to a team like the Twins gives the Yankees a shot in the offseason for nothing more than a draft pick. However, if the Red Sox (doubt they would or could do it) got into the mix I would be more worried that they would lock Lee up long term.

    ————-

    I have never liked the idea of paying twice for one player, even if he does agree to an extension prior to the trade. It would cost either our #1 or #2 prospect (Monty or Romine) so I’d really rather pay the cash later.

    Lee also has publicly declared his desire to go FA, so that’s another obvious red flag in terms of paying twice unnecessarily. If he’s going FA, Yankees have the clear inside track.

  24. RichThomas July 6th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Is the current Twins offer still including Blackburn?

    Did anyone else read the report this morning where foxsports interviewed Brian Cashman about Amar’e Stoudamire and Lebron? Cashman thinks Lebron is a slam dunk Knick.

  25. Erin July 6th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    I’m so happy for Andy that he’s going to the All Star Game. :D

    His kids must be so excited!

  26. damon (think 28) July 6th, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Andy is a treasure !

    As for boston http://www.soxblog.pojo.com/20.....ster-a.htm has a great article on, “sox 40 man roster almost entirely in boston.”

    They are stretched to the limit, a great read tells that scoop, Tito is boxed in.

    sox have 2 on the 60 day DL, and 9 on the DL, and Jacoby might go to the 60 day if they need to call up anyone else.

  27. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Mitre finished with 2 perfect innings and 5 strikeouts. 19 year old Bryan Mitchell relieved Mitre and outpitched him. Two perfect innings and 6 strikeouts.

  28. blake July 6th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    I think I remember some publications having Hicks listed as the Twins top prospect….that seems aggressive for a player you are unlikely to be able to sign longterm to me…..

  29. G. Love July 6th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    I’m starting to think all these Cliff Lee leaks are to dare the Yankees to engage and offer Montero or Romine.

    Hearing that the Twins will give up their big AAA catching prospect and then the Rays want in on Lee in the press is bait for the Yankees.

    Pat M had said the M’s were scouting the Yankees minor league system from jump street. I bet they know exactly who they want and would take from the Yankees in any deal.

    Notice how none of the new leaks mentioning specific names are NL teams. The Yankees could care less if he went to the NL.

    They’re trying to bait the Yankees. I’m not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, I’d love the guy in our rotation, but on the other hand we don’t need him enough to give away the guy who may be the catcher of the future in a year or two here. I know Sanchez is coming, but he’s a ways away.

    The way this deal has to go do, for me, is we trade for Lee and we get League or Aardsma in the deal as well. Then we trade Javy for some good pieces to an NL contender.

    But I’m just not sure if we should do that when the rotation we have right now is great and we can hold onto a player who may be the successor for Jorge for years to come.

    It’s a tough call.

    If the Twins or Rays get Lee, it hurts, but the Phillies had Lee last year and we still beat them and they had a better everyday lineup than both of those teams. Don’t forget about that.

  30. Joe from Long Island July 6th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Yes, I heard that Cash is predicting LeBron to the Knicks. If anyone should know sports marketing and the business end of things, it’s Cash.

    So, if the Knicks sign both Stoudamire and Lebron, do they become the most hated team in the NBA?

  31. blake July 6th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Breaking news:

    Lebron James signs with Yankees…opts to follow in Micheal Jordan’s footsteps with a mid-career baseball venture. He’s on his way to Tampa.

  32. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 6th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    G. Love -

    Plus they beat the Phillies despite the fact that Cliff Lee was added to their rotation. No real incentive for the Yankees to get involved, unless they start hearing that Lee has changed his mind about free agency. That would be strange though, because that’s all you’ve heard about Lee for 2 years now.

    (I should have read your last paragraph before responding. Duh!!! :lol: )

  33. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    # Joe from Long Island July 6th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    Yes, I heard that Cash is predicting LeBron to the Knicks. If anyone should know sports marketing and the business end of things, it’s Cash.

    So, if the Knicks sign both Stoudamire and Lebron, do they become the most hated team in the NBA?

    ——————–

    New Jersey put forth a Godfather offer of illegal Russian oil stock and a harem of supermodels from Prokhorov’s stable to LeBron. He will not refuse the Nyets.

    Mwahahaha.

  34. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 6th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    GB7 -

    Good news on Mitre.

  35. the GM formerly known as Cashman now as Cashmoney! July 6th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    I hope we get Lee in the off season. If he goes to the Rays ,Twins or any other teams , so be it.

  36. SJ44 July 6th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    GLove,

    That’s exactly what the Mariners are doing.

    Its too many moving parts to acquire Lee right now. Plus, you can’t give up Montero and Romine right now.

    If Gary Sanchez was hitting .300 in Tampa and playing well behind the plate? Different deal.

    As much as he is tearing up the Gulf Coast League, and as good a prospect as he is (and he is), its still the Gulf Coast League. THREE steps from High A Ball.

    Too big a spread to give up either Montero or Romine for a guy you can sign in the off-season without giving up prospects.

    Especially since starting pitching isn’t a weakness on the team. Its in fact, at least halfway through the season, its strength.

  37. CountryClub July 6th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Don’t forget that Cash supposedly offered Montero straight up for Halladay. If that’s the case, it’s not completely crazy that they might offer Montero or Romine straight up for Lee.

  38. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    If the Yanks were going to trade a guy like Romine for a rent-a-player, I would much rather it be for a hitter like Prince Fielder or better yet, Josh Willingham.

    As good as Cliff Lee is, the marginal advantage the Yanks would receive from adding a Fielder or Willingham would be greater than the advantage they’d get from Lee.

  39. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Even if Lee were to sign an extension with the Yankees, the team would still be paying twice. Paying twice means losing prospects and big money dollars long term. It doesn’t matter if the big long term money is paid via extension or via free agency. People seem to think if the Yankees acquire Lee in a trade and extend him, they’re not paying twice. They would be paying twice.

    It’s not going to happen.

    The only thing this team needs to go deep again in the post season is a lock down closer who could set up Mo.

    Nobody can beat this team if the bullpen is Mo, Soria, Hughes and Joba.

  40. the GM formerly known as Cashman now as Cashmoney! July 6th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    @SJ44, Is Montero projected as someone who could possibly hit 300 and with 30 hr potential in the ML?

  41. RichThomas July 6th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    I think Lebron coming here would bring back the anti-Knick attitude of the early 1990s. Please, please bring it on. Let’s get the Garden going.

    It was cool seeing Amar’e spend his first weekend in the Bronx cheering our Yanks on.

  42. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    # CountryClub July 6th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Don’t forget that Cash supposedly offered Montero straight up for Halladay. If that’s the case, it’s not completely crazy that they might offer Montero or Romine straight up for Lee.

    —————

    Halladay has a better track record than Lee and showed a willingness to sign a below market long term extension for a contending team. Both these factors made Halladay a more worthwhile gamble. Let’s not forget that only 3 or so years ago Lee was sent down to AAA because he totally lost it.

    Not saying Lee is significantly worse than Halladay, but he can simply be won in a bidding war. No prospects required.

  43. blake July 6th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Solution:

    -Trade Romine for Lee
    -Trade Javy for Tony Sanchez
    -Promote Tony to Trenton so he doesn’t get hit in the face with baseballs anymore….everybody is happy ;)

  44. CountryClub July 6th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    vblade,

    I don’t disagree. I’m just saying that I wouldn’t be shocked if they ended up making an offer. I’d be surprised, but not shocked.

  45. GW Plunkett July 6th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    “That day, Pettitte had as many American League teammates who are currently in the Hall of Fame (Boggs and Cal Ripken) as are currently playing in the big leagues (Alex and Ivan Rodriguez).”

    Um. What does that mean? If one is projecting future HOFers one might suggest that Pettitte has as many future HOFers on his own team (Jeter, Rivera–and possibly A-Rod, depending on how the steroid issue is dealt with). If that isn’t what is intended then I don’t know what was. There are no current HOFers currently playing.

    Cheers.

  46. RichThomas July 6th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Josh Willingham? Really? You’d prefer Willingham to any other available players?

  47. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos July 6th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
    GB7 -

    Good news on Mitre.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It really is, Doreen. I’m not expecting a sub-3.00 ERA from him, but, a 3.50 ERA and innings with spot starter insurance would be a welcome sight for the rest of the year. No word on where he goes, but, I’m guessing either Tampa of the FSL or Trenton is his next stop. One stop in Scranton and he should be back shortly after the ASG.

  48. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    “Josh Willingham? Really? You’d prefer Willingham to any other available players?”

    Willingham could DH against RHP and play LF against LHP, it would be a big offensive upgrade. Plus, he has another arb-eligible year so he’s not a bad deal contract-wise.

    And, there aren’t that many available hitters. I don’r even know if Willingham is available but there have been rumors.

  49. LGY July 6th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    “Halladay has a better track record than Lee and showed a willingness to sign a below market long term extension for a contending team. Both these factors made Halladay a more worthwhile gamble”

    ————————————–

    To add to that.

    That Halladay was willing to sign below market was just the butter on the bread. It was pretty well known wherever he went he was going to sign an extension.

    Since basketball is a hot topic right now, I will use it as an example. Halladay basically orchestrated a sign and trade last winter. He would only approve a trade to a team that could afford him and he wasn’t going there without an extension.

    Finally, the Yankees would have had Halladay for a full season and not traded for Javy in the first place.

  50. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    So far, nothing wrong with Sanchez’ bat, especially at his age. He should have finished his junior year in HS. As expected, his defense needs a lot of work. 5 passed balls and 3 throwing errors, but, I doubt that’s to anybody’s surprise.

  51. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    For anyone worried about Cliff Lee to an AL contender, he can only start 2 games of a seven game series. He’s actually more lethal in a five game series. So I’d rather deal with him in the ALCS.

    If the Twins do get him, it is likely that they finish with the 2nd best record in the AL anyway, and end up playing the WC (likely to come out of the East). So the Yankees (provided they hang onto the AL East) won’t need to worry about him till later.

    I don’t see a scenario where a Cliff Lee acquisition would put an AL contender above the Yankees in terms of talent. Our starting rotation isn’t exactly chopped liver.

  52. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Mitchell’s 3rd inning was a bit rough with 3 singles, a hit batter and 2 earned runs, but, still struck out another 2 batters…giving him 7 strikeouts and 0 walks in 3 innings.

  53. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Even if Lee were to sign an extension with the Yankees, the team would still be paying twice. Paying twice means losing prospects and big money dollars long term. It doesn’t matter if the big long term money is paid via extension or via free agency. People seem to think if the Yankees acquire Lee in a trade and extend him, they’re not paying twice. They would be paying twice.

    ———–

    It’s not the same thing. They would lose their #1 draft pick, which is a guy who is likely very raw and at least 3-4 years away from possibly helping the ballclub.

    Montero and Romine have established themselves to not only be two of the top Yankee prospects but MLB prospects who might be a year or so away from helping the big club.

    You’re not making a very strong argument.

  54. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    No lockdown closer is going to want to setup for Mo. Why is that so hard to understand?

  55. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Giuseppe Franco,

    I’m addressing the fans who say they only want Lee via trade if we can extend him.

    My point is that an extension counts as paying twice.

    My argument is that a trade + extension is still paying twice because paying twice means losing prospects and big money dollars long term in the same deal. It doesn’t matter if the money is paid via extension or not.

    Of course I’d prefer to sign him as a free agent for reasons you stated.

  56. pat July 6th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    “Um. What does that mean? ”

    It means that Andy has had an amazing career. He was an all-star in 1996 and is still playing to all-star level in 2010.

  57. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    There are a lot of thumb injuries this year. Choo may need surgery on his thumb.

  58. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Bret,

    He doesn’t want to sign an extension. So it’s a moot point.

  59. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Giuseppe Franco,

    Tell that to the fans who keep the idea alive that we can trade for him and should provided he signs and extension.

  60. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Lee has publicly stated that he wants to test FA. So unless the team trading for him blows him away with a gigantic extension offer, he’ll be on the market come offseason.

    That’s when the Yanks have the upper hand.

  61. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    # Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Giuseppe Franco,

    Tell that to the fans who keep the idea alive that we can trade for him and should provided he signs and extension.

    ———-

    Well, I guess some people object to the reality of the situation and continue to beat a dead horse.

    Hmmm. Kind of like one poster who won’t budge from the impossibility that the Yanks would trade for Soria.

  62. G-C July 6th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    I still can’t get over the fact that just three years ago Lee was sent down to the minors for being so utterly terrible.

    I’m not a fan. Obviously having a tremendous year, but there’s no way I’d commit to him for the long term as a free agent.

  63. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Why would anyone want to trade a top prospect for the difference between Cliff Lee and Phil Hughes or AJ Burnett? And, given the difference in salaries, it would probably be Phil Hughes, pushing him back into a relief role.

    So you are trading a top prospect for the privilege of moving Hughes to relief.

    Doesn’t make sense IMHO.

  64. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    There’s no way that the Yankees can afford to trade for Lee, Dejesus, Wigginton and Soria. You’ll have to break up with three of them.

  65. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Franco,

    You haven’t made a very strong argument against trading for Soria.

  66. richthomas July 6th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Simply put, it was a comparison of the other people on That All Star Team. 2 players are already in the HoF, while only 2 other players are still in mlb. What an extensive career.

  67. rconn23 July 6th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Wave,

    I agree with you on Willingham. Thats’ the bat I’d love to see the Yankees acquire if the Nationals put him on the block.

    Great .OBP, solid power and more positional flexibility than Dunn would offer.

    And besides, Dunn doesn’t want to DH anyway.

  68. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    •Peter Gammons hears rumblings of a Lee-B.J. Upton deal and wonders if a third team could be involved along with the Mariners and Rays (Twitter link).

    Would not like to see that. If the Mets got him, it would be perfect. He could stay with the Sabathia’s and sign with us in the offseason.

    Rumor is Josh Willingham wants to stay with the Nationals. Ty Wiggington BA. and run production/homers has gone south the last month.

    As far as the Knicks are concerned I don’t see much of an upgrade with Stoudemire, while losing Lee. I’m guessing here, but I wouldn’t be surprised that James gets an opt out clause in his next contract.

  69. G-C July 6th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    “You haven’t made a very strong argument against trading for Soria.”

    The best argument is that the real life major leagues isn’t like a video game.

    Soria will not want to set up for Rivera, plain and simple. He’s very likely the second best closer in the league and his chances of making a big money contract and garnering league wide recognition are contingent on his success as a closer, not a setup man.

  70. blake July 6th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    I don’t think there is any way the Yanks would make a deal for Lee without having a deal for Vazquez in the works as well. I don’t think he would be to replace Hughes or AJ in the rotation if it were to happen.

  71. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Yankee Trader,

    Wigginton is really struggling now.

    I think he’s in the .240′s.

  72. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    G-C July 6th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
    “You haven’t made a very strong argument against trading for Soria.”

    The best argument is that the real life major leagues isn’t like a video game.

    Soria will not want to set up for Rivera, plain and simple. He’s very likely the second best closer in the league and his chances of making a big money contract and garnering league wide recognition are contingent on his success as a closer, not a setup man.
    ***********

    That argument isn’t strong.

    It’s pure guesswork.

  73. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    # Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Franco,

    You haven’t made a very strong argument against trading for Soria.

    ————-

    Really?

    We’ve all made strong arguments why it won’t happen. You simply refuse to listen.

    1.) He’s one of the top closers in the league. He’s a CLOSER. He is not going to want to setup for Mo. As SJ said, that’s a demotion at the prime of his career.

    2.) Cost. Try to imagine how much it would cost the Yanks to get him. And they would probably have to take on another big contract that they don’t want.

    3.) Cashman isn’t desperately looking for the heir to Mariano since nobody has any idea when he’s going to retire. He’s as good as he’s ever been.

  74. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    “I don’t think there is any way the Yanks would make a deal for Lee without having a deal for Vazquez in the works as well.”

    So you’d go to the trouble of doing two deals to get the difference between Vazquez and Lee plus whatever Vazquez brings, less whatever prospects we have to give up to get Lee?

    Sounds like running very hard to stay in about the same place. Still don’t see it.

  75. Patrick July 6th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Why would the Royals give up Soria for a few B prospects? They wouldn’t… so why would the Yankees give up more than a couple B prospects for a set-up reliever? They wouldn’t…

    It’s pretty simple, the Royals and Yanks have divergent interests in this case. We are not getting Soria…

  76. damon (think 28) July 6th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    GM Ruben Amaro (phillies) looks stupid now that he’s one of the 14 teams scouting Cliff.

    He thought he pulled a coup de grace when he got Halladay from the Yankees grasp, to now be back trying to correct his mistake.

    He has egg on his face, ATL leads their division and they are looking up

    Also I’m sick of the sox fans saying how much they don’t mind the sox not starting in the ASG, but keep whining about “Yuky” not being on the team!

  77. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    # Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Franco,

    You haven’t made a very strong argument against trading for Soria.

    ————-

    Really?

    We’ve all made strong arguments why it won’t happen. You simply refuse to listen.

    1.) He’s one of the top closers in the league. He’s a CLOSER. He is not going to want to setup for Mo. As SJ said, that’s a demotion at the prime of his career.
    ***********

    This is guesswork – not a particularly sound argument grounded in facts.

    2.) Cost. Try to imagine how much it would cost the Yanks to get him. And they would probably have to take on another big contract that they don’t want.
    *******

    More guesswork.

    3.) Cashman isn’t desperately looking for the heir to Mariano since nobody has any idea when he’s going to retire. He’s as good as he’s ever been.
    ********

    Not really an argument against acquiring someone to set up for him.

  78. blake July 6th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Wave,

    No I wouldn’t. That’s probably why it won’t happen.

  79. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Bret,

    I guess we’ll find out who had the better argument when Soria is still pitching for KC on August 1st.

  80. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Patrick July 6th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    Why would the Royals give up Soria for a few B prospects? They wouldn’t… so why would the Yankees give up more than a couple B prospects for a set-up reliever? They wouldn’t…
    *****

    Who said anything about B prospects?

    Who said the Yankees would add a volatile reliever to the pen, Dotel for example?

    What does that fix?

  81. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Bret-

    From cbssportsline:
    The former Mets, Pirates, Rays and Astros infielder is batting .246 with a team-best 14 homers and 43 RBI. He endured a tough June, batting .209 with just one homer — coming in the final game of the month, and representing the first by an Orioles first baseman this season.

  82. Patrick July 6th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Bret,

    I don’t think you are getting what I’m saying.

    The Yanks aren’t trading more than a few B prospects for a setup man.

    The Royals won’t accept anything less than a top prospect, maybe more, for Soria.

    Now do you see why this deal will never work?

  83. LGY July 6th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    “Sounds like running very hard to stay in about the same place. Still don’t see it.”

    ——————————-

    I am not advocating trading for Lee, but it would be a huge upgrade.

    The main reason is really that the playoffs are in a way the real season for the Yankees. Cliff Lee starting game 2 and pushing the other guys back would put the Yankees in a much better position to win the WS than without him.

    CC/Lee 1-2 in the playoffs is a combo no team can come close to matching.

    Also, the sheer amount of innings Cliff Lee throws does not make it a small upgrade or staying in the same place.

    Lee has thrown 15 more innings than Vazquez in 2 less starts. That is a huge difference.

    High quality innings from your SP is the most valuable thing in the game. Cliff Lee does that just as well as anyone else in baseball.

    Especially when you consider how weak our bullpen is, the extra high top flight innings Lee provides would be big the second half of the season.

  84. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    2nd game of the Tampa rookies in about 45 minutes. Gary Sanchez had his first hittless game in the 11 he’s played in. Tampa was a 7-2 winner. Kelvin Duran was 3-4 with an RBI, now hitting .345. Mitchell got the win.

    Here’s the final box of Gm#1.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....k_yanrok_1

  85. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
    Bret,

    I guess we’ll find out who had the better argument when Soria is still pitching for KC on August 1st.
    *********

    Oh really?

    If Soria ends up in New York or KC determines if Guiseppe Franco or Bret the Hitman had the better argument?

    That’s funny.

    I coulda sworn it might have something to do with KC’s interest in Yankees prospects and KC’s demands being reasonable or unreasonable.

    But don’t sit here and argue that the Yankees and Cashman would have zero interest in Soria considering the state of this bullpen outside of Mo.

  86. SJ44 July 6th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Its not guesswork Bret. Its fact and its a fact you can’t seem to comprehend for some reason.

    The fact is, Soria would cost more to acquire than Cliff Lee.

    Why?

    A VERY friendly contract.

    He’s a CLOSER, not a setup guy, and teams need closers.

    He’s also not going to want to throw away 50-100 saves over the next 2-3 years in the prime of his career setting up for Mariano Rivera. Its not how it works in the real world.

    Guys like this have a chance to be future Hall of Famers if they compile the numbers to do so.

    He’s not going to give that up to setup for the Yankees.

    The LAST thing the Yankees want to do is give up a lot of talent to acquire a guy for a role he doesn’t want to have.

    That’s why that trade has no chance of happening.

  87. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    SJ,

    You provided one fact in your post.

    Soria is a closer.

    The rest is guesswork.

  88. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    I’m a big Soria fan, but it would take a lot to get him, even if the Yankees were willing to take Jose Guillen and the rest of his contract this year [some 6M].

    Soria’s contract:very affordable-getting paid Marte money to be a closer

    Joakim Soria rhp
    3 years/$8.75M (2009-11), plus 2012-14 club options

    3 years/$8.75M (2009-11), plus 2012-14 club options

    signed extension with Kansas City 5/17/08
    09:$1M, 10:$3M, 11:$4M, 12:$6M club option, 13:$8M club option, 14:$8.75M club option ($0.75M buyout for each option)
    escalators based on IP (as starter) or games finished (as reliever)
    2012 option guaranteed at $6M with 55 games in 2011 or 110 games in 2010-11

    2012 option guaranteed at $6.5M with 400 IP in 2010-11
    award bonus: $50,000 for All-Star selection

  89. SJ44 July 6th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Bret,

    The Yankees have zero interest in Soria because it would cost too much to acquire a guy for a role he doesn’t want.

    They aren’t giving up Nunez, Brackman and either Montero or Romine for him.

    That’s what it would take. Some B Level prospects because the Royals hold all the cards.

    Those are trades GM’s don’t waste time on because they are dead in the water before you even start talking.

  90. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    The fact is, Soria would cost more to acquire than Cliff Lee.
    *********

    And which recent trade involving a starter or closer would you be basing this statement on as a precedent?

  91. SJ44 July 6th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Bret,

    Its not guesswork. Its fact. You choosse not to believe it. That’s your problem.

    We went through the same stuff over the winter when you were convinced the Yankees were going to sign Matt Holliday.

    The Yankees aren’t acquiring the second best closer in the league (IMO) to set up for Mariano Rivera.

    If you choose to believe otherwise, more power to you.

  92. SJ44 July 6th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    The fact being that Soria has a team friendly contract, isn’t on the trade block, and the Royals hold ALL the cards.

    They don’t have to trade Soria. They can just keep him. If they are going to trade him, they want the moon. Absent that, he stays in KC.

    Are you intentionally that dense about this stuff? Honestly, even in fantasy baseball, these trades aren’t made.

  93. Patrick July 6th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    The Yankees trading for Soria would be similar to if they were to trade for say, Hanley Ramirez and make him a utility infielder. You can’t get Hanley Ramirez for the price of a utility infielder because he’s not a utility infielder. Just like you can’t get Soria for the price of a set-up man because he’s a shut down closer, not a set-up man.

    As a matter of fact, Soria should probably be a starter. He has 3 plus pitches….

  94. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    SJ,

    Dense?

    Insults are not a good sign for your case.

  95. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    My posts are getting sucked into the filter. Ewww.

  96. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Good Lord…I’d rather see another 200 post ramble about why Hughes should or shouldn’t be on the AS team than seeing one person spew the same crap for two hours about acquiring Soria. It’s been explained for several reasons why it makes no sense, and by numerous people about 6 times…each.

  97. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Patrick July 6th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
    The Yankees trading for Soria would be similar to if they were to trade for say, Hanley Ramirez and make him a utility infielder.
    ************************

    A superstar, five tool regular player vs. Ramiro Pena.

    That’s your comparison of Soria the CLOSER vs. Soria the 8th inning guy?

  98. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Bret,

    All I can say is that you’re gonna be the guy bummed out at the deadline when Soria is still in KC.

  99. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    The Yankees should look more into a Matt Thornton/Evan Meek or a Brad Ziegler type pitcher, decent guys on non-contending teams. It is less likely they will have to overpay and it won’t take a top-flight prospect to nab them.

    Better yet, try to catch lightning in a bottle with one of the AAA starter projects, and see if there is a Joba circa 2007 there.

  100. damon (think 28) July 6th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

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  101. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Guiseppe Franco,

    I won’t be bummed. Whatever Cashman and the front office do is likely the best decision.

    I felt the same way about Holliday in the off season.

    I felt the same way about Teixeira before he signed.

  102. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Bret-

    Look at my 1:03 post which lists Soria’s very reasonable contract.

    Really have to think he remains with the Royals. The Royals lose Guillen’s 12 million salary at the end of this season, and Gil Meche’s contract at the end of 2011, when Soria’s contract begins to escalate.

    I think there’s a better chance that LeBrone James signs with the LA Clippers, than Soria gets traded this season. :)

  103. Yankee Trader July 6th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Matt Thornton is the best set-up pitcher in all of baseball over the last two seasons. He’s their future closer.

  104. Patrick July 6th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    A superstar, five tool regular player vs. Ramiro Pena.

    That’s your comparison of Soria the CLOSER vs. Soria the 8th inning guy?

    1. Your average utility infielder is better than Ramiro Pena

    2. The comparison is still valid because in both cases the Yankees have a lower value on the player than the team they are trading with. Neither trade works because of this fact.

  105. upstate kate July 6th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    what about looking at Billy Wagner as an example. He was a set up man for the red sox last year as he was recovering from surgery, but had no intention of remaining a set up man, he wanted to be a closer.

  106. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Yankee Trader,

    I see his reasonable contract and recognize its value.

    Royals fans are arguing that he’s an unnecessary luxury on a bad team.

    They would want a truckload for him but I cant find any precedents (recent blockbuster trades for closers) that justify any demands that would turn away every interested GM in baseball.

    The Gagne trade is one precedent.

    The main guy in that trade was stuck down in the low minors.

    I can’t think of any other precedents that would give some idea as to just how much a lock down closer is worth on the trade market.

  107. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 6th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    One other reason the Yankees may not be so quick to offer Montero or Romine this season (as opposed to last season when there was a supposed offer including Montero for Halladay) is that Posada has been dinged up on a much more regular basis. Nothing overly serious, but enough so that you don’t let any prospective catchers go right now. At least that’s how I look at it.

  108. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    upstate kate July 6th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
    what about looking at Billy Wagner as an example. He was a set up man for the red sox last year as he was recovering from surgery, but had no intention of remaining a set up man, he wanted to be a closer.
    **************

    That’s only a true precedent if Billy Wagner became the best elite reliever available at this year’s deadline. But the fact is, Joakim Soria and Billy Wagner are two different people with two different personalities that come with their own unique biases, thoughts and motives.

  109. SJ44 July 6th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    1. The Royals fans aren’t making the trade. They have no say in it.
    2. Gagne wasn’t in the prime of his career.

    There are no precedents because trades like this don’t happen.

    That’s what everybody is trying to tell you but, for some reason, you don’t get it.

    The Yankees aren’t taking the second best closer in the league, trading for him, and making him a setup man.

    Kyle Farnsworth has a better chance to come back to NY than Soria has to being traded here.

  110. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    SJ,

    Closers get traded.

    Billy Koch when he was in his prime.

    Huston Street.

    There are precedents.

  111. blake July 6th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Mlbtraderumors speculates that Werth could go on the block if the Phillies slide further behind this month.

    What a bang up job Amaro did this offseason…trade away a pitcher that you now desperately need back and sign Howard to an absolutely ridiculous extension.

  112. NYYROC July 6th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    More amazing about Wagner, he’s having a really good year, throws 97 and is supposedly calling it a career after this season. Can you imagine being LH, throwing 97 and walking away?

  113. upstate kate July 6th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    I guess my point was Bret that being a closer is an elite position and guys who are closers would not want to become EIG, even for Mo.

  114. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Huston Street getting traded is actually a fair precedent but it’s difficult to determine his value because there were so many players involved in that trade.

  115. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Patrick, looks like the Nyets are considering a S&T for Bosh in exchange for Favors to get some star power for LeBron. Curious – but if that’s what it takes, I’m all for it. Lopez-Bosh-Harris is better than NY’s Amare and some shooters.

  116. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    upstate kate July 6th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    I guess my point was Bret that being a closer is an elite position and guys who are closers would not want to become EIG, even for Mo.
    ********

    Every person and every situation is different.

    Wagner was in a contract year.

    Soria is locked up through 2014.

  117. SJ44 July 6th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Those are not precdents bret. Neither guy has team friendly contracts and were dealt for money reasons.

    Neither one of those guys were traded to become setup men in new destinations.

    You can’t just look at who gets traded. That’s where you are missing the boat. You have to look at the circumstances of each deal. If you don’t, which you aren’t, you are missing the point.

    The Royals are in no such position financially that they have to deal Soria. Which is why, absent an absolute fleecing of another team, they won’t.

  118. champ809 July 6th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    PLease people stop trying to convince Bret of why Soria won’t be a Yankee….we ALL (save for him) understand that it’s not happening and why..

    Bret I’m sure if you were to ask Cash and Joe would they want Soria to be the 8th inning guy in front of ‘Mo they would say YES!!!!

    However,

    As this is the real world and not your office fantasy league it will never happen because simply put the price in terms of player talent that we would have to give up to get one of the top 3 closers in baseball makes absolutely no sense and then Soria most certainly wouldn’t want to give up the $ he’d lose pitching in the 8th as opposed to closing games as it relates to his next contract.

    The other point that you consistently refuse to ignore is that teams are not interested in trading for players only to make them unhappy…i.e. Greinke not wanting to play in NY as per his own words and a top closer not wanting to come setup for another closer a lesser role.

    I’d bet that the Yanks thought they may be able to pry Thornton- whom they’ve loved and coveted for 3 yrs now- away from the White Sox but that’s probably out the window with the sox now in the hunt to win their division…

  119. champ809 July 6th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Street was coming off 2yrs of injury and got traded to a team looking for a closer….

  120. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    “I am not advocating trading for Lee, but it would be a huge upgrade.

    The main reason is really that the playoffs are in a way the real season for the Yankees. Cliff Lee starting game 2 and pushing the other guys back would put the Yankees in a much better position to win the WS than without him. ”

    While starting Lee would be an upgrade over Vazquez, theoretically, it would not be a huge upgrade and any any given game maybe no upgrade at all.

    On the other hand, having a DH like Fielder instead of Thames or whoever, or having a Granderson/Willingham platoon in the OG and a Willingham/Thames platoon at DH would be a huge upgrade.

  121. m July 6th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Virtually everything everyone (except Chad) says here is guesswork. That’s not a valid counter-point.

  122. pat July 6th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    I hate the filter!

    Tried to post a press release forwarded to me but can’t figure out the magic word that won’t let me.

    Readers Digest version- Fundraiser at Yankee Stadium on August 19th benefitting the Taylor Hooton Foundation. Tigers/Yankees game in a luxury suite, lunch/refreshments and reception with Alex and teammates following the game. Info at TaylorHooton.org if you are interested. Tickets start at $450.

  123. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Gm#2 of Yankee rookies DH, 1-0, as Kelvin Duran led off with a double and stole 3rd base. and scored on a groundout.

  124. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    I’d see what the A’s would want for Ziegler and what the Indians would want for Kerry Wood.

    Those are much more viable targets.

  125. m July 6th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    pat,

    Glad you’re here. Did your daughters (or you) watch the Twilight primetime special with Jimmie Kimmel?

  126. JoeyA July 6th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Bret, what advantage would the Royals have in trading Soria and not receiving a top level prospect + a few B levels?

    He’s cheap
    He’s VERY good
    He’s under control through 2014

    Why would they trade him for anything other than Montero or romine +?

    Believe it or not, the Royals don’t exist to make the Yankees an all-star team. They have goals centered around winning themselves, to which Soria would be a huge part of if they can get other pieces.

  127. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Sooner or later, Granderson either hits lefties or will require to be platooned.

    I just don’t think the Yankees will give up on his work on hitting lefties until at least a full season. Thames hits lefties well enough, so Granderson likely will get to ride the pine against the tougher ones like Lester and Cliff Lee.

  128. LGY July 6th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Wave,

    You are ignoring the number of innings Cliff Lee pitches compared to Vazquez which is a huge difference.

    Also, the any given game maybe no upgrade at all can apply to any starting pitcher. If they started Joba Chamberlain in game 2 it may not be a upgrade, because anything can happen on any given day.

    But, Cliff Lee is much more reliable than anyone outside of CC on this staff and is much more capable of handing the ball directly to Mo (or completing the game himself). Especially come playoff time, when bullpens are often the culprit of blowing games.

    There is a big difference IMO between Cliff Lee starting games 2 and 6 compared to Javy in game 4.

    In terms of securing number 28 I would take Cliff Lee over any of the other options you present.

    Don’t see it happening though.

    But, SP wins championships and CC/Lee 4-5 times in a 7 game series is lethal.

  129. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Are any of the Scranton/Trenton starters good enough to let it it fly for one inning and be respectable? Because there might be a solution somewhere there.

  130. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Soria most certainly wouldn’t want to give up the $ he’d lose pitching in the 8th as opposed to closing games as it relates to his next contract.
    *******

    How is he giving up money? He’s not in a contract year. He’s guaranteed to earn the same amount of money through 2014 whether he closes for the next 5 years or sets up Mo for the next 5 years.

    But let’s be realistic. Mo isn’t in his late twenties or early thirties so Soria doesn’t have to worry about that.

    The only argument against trading for him that I’ve heard is cost.

    Since he is cost controlled, how much would the Royals want and do they have more pressing needs than closer for the next 5 years?

  131. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Joey,

    I’d give the Romine +

  132. Bronx Jeers July 6th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Thanks Pat,

    Taylor Hooton info.

    http://taylorhooton.org/YankeeStadiumFundraiser

  133. Erin July 6th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    RiverAveBlues John Kerry is urging Red Sox fans to send Youkilis to the All Star Game in the Final Vote. Isn’t that reason enough to #SendSwish?

    Send Swish!!!!!

  134. Erin July 6th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    JackCurryYES After exhaustive research, I’m going back to my original statement about the Yankees. Yes, they are 51-31.

    LOL

  135. blake July 6th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    The Yanks best chance at bullpen help may be to hope the ChiSox hit the skids in the next few weeks and that their ownership gives up on the season.

  136. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    LGY-

    I disagree with you, particularly as regards the playoffs. Vazquez is an excellent pitcher, he was one of the best in the NL last year. Cliff Lee is better, but not by a lot.

    Plus, you’d have to move Vazquez, which would have to be a team playing for this year, which means you are getting back prospects for him, not an everyday player, so you are trading one set of prospects for another. I just don’t see it.

    Fielder or Willingham would be huge upgrades offensively. If the Yanks are going to make a move, the priority needs to be a hitter.

  137. Doreen - GTLU Stuff & Photos July 6th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Erin -

    But Tex was so sure they were 52-30! :lol:

  138. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    This is what I’m hearing. Here are our options for the pen which is arguably our biggest weakness right now in a tight 3 team race to make the playoffs.

    1)Trade for a volatile and thereby cheap reliever that won’t impact the farm, however deep – Dotel, Wood.

    2)Search for internal solutions like Sanchez, Melancon and Albaladejo.

    I honestly don’t like what I’m hearing and I’m surprised others are OK with the pen.

    We got extremely lucky with Marte last post season. Extremely lucky with Robertson. Chances are we’re either making it to the post season with 1 reliable reliever in Mo or we add an internal or external reliever who is just as volatile as the unreliable ones we have now.

    The approach to the bullpen I’ve seen so far doesn’t fix anything.

    I’m looking for strong arguments why Cashman should do 1 or 2.

    I’m beginning to believe there are none and this is why people attack me over my (admitted) Soria man-crush. The alternative to paying big for an elite reliever doesn’t inspire any confidence so instead of stating your case you attack the other man’s.

    Petty.

  139. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    blake July 6th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
    The Yanks best chance at bullpen help may be to hope the ChiSox hit the skids in the next few weeks and that their ownership gives up on the season.
    *********

    I’ll submit this one for our prayer circle along with Joba getting fixed in-season and the Yanks acquiring Joakim Soria.

    I hope God is listening hard!

    :lol:

  140. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    I’m looking for strong arguments why Cashman should do 1 or 2.

    ——————–

    I think an internal solution is best. Bullpens are volatile by nature, and usually you can catch lightning in a bottle with relievers.

    Take the 3 best starters at AA and AAA and use them out of the bullpen when rosters expand. Give them some run and see what you have.

  141. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    I would not trade for a reliever before at least giving Albaladejo another shot. You never know with relievers, maybe this year is his year and it’s being wasted down in AAA.

  142. LGY July 6th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    “We got extremely lucky with Marte last post season.”

    —————————-

    Why did we get extremely lucky?

    All Marte has done his entire career is completely shut down LHB.

    Even this year, despite his high ERA, he is holding LHB to a .154/.209/.282 line. .491 OPS.

    As strictly a LOOGY, which he was in the playoffs, Marte is extremely effective. However, because Joba, Robertson, and Park have stunk this year Girardi has had to use Marte as more than that.

  143. rb July 6th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Bret, you keep saying that Soria won’t be giving up money since he’s under contract through 2014. What you’re not factoring in is the value added his saves total will create when he does hit FA.

  144. Bret the Hitman July 6th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Wave,

    ALBALADEJO?

    I think I just had a mini-stroke.

  145. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Marte is a lefty killer. Always has been. He’s invaluable in that role, and his career stats prove that.

    Use him right and he’s extremely reliable.

  146. S.o.S. July 6th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    I wonder if Cashman has FLASH GORDANS number on speed dial. You want an 8th inning guy. You got it!! He wouldnt even cost us Pena. Even though i would give him to charity. I would keep Joba for insurance purposes, just in case we face Boston in the playoffs.

  147. Billy D July 6th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Bret:

    The two other teams in the 3 team race you speak of have bullpen issues too. And those issues will be no easier for them to resolve than they will be for the Yankees. Fact is, there are simply no high end EIG-types available right now. You either hope to catch lightnin’ in a bottle with a Dotel or Wood, guys at AAA, or hope that some of the guys who’ve been here and succeeded before, do so again.

  148. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Personally, I’m praying that God short circuits your computer and fries it.

  149. upstate kate July 6th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    I am still hoping the current pen becomes more reliable…I am looking at you Joba and D-rob.

  150. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Not sure about Alby, he’s crapped the bed every time he’s been called up to the bigs. Still, can’t hurt to give him a shot and see if he’s really turned the corner.

  151. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Look at this….S.o.s.’s wife let him use the computer. welcome back, Bud.

  152. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    “ALBALADEJO?

    I think I just had a mini-stroke.”

    You just have to go with the flow when it comes to relievers, sometimes it helps to just focus in the present.

    Albaladejo is pitching lights out in AAA. Maybe he couldn’t sustain it in the majors but I’d certainly like to find out before trading away a valuable asset for a reliever.

  153. 86w183 July 6th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Chicago’s recent play takes Thornton off the market.

    The best 8th inning guy the Yankees could realistically get is the guy who pitched the 8th inning last night. Joba at his best is more than capable of getting it done.

    Wigginton/Willingham do more to help immediately than an 8th inning upgrade, assuming there is one out there. Wigginton makes the most sense to me… of course I’ve been saying that here since before the Xavier Nady trade.

    Cliff Lee is terrific…. the old Yanks would trade for him, bump Hughes to the pen for the rest of the year and put him back in the rotation in 2011. I don’t think these Yanks will do that.

  154. S.o.S. July 6th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    GB7,
    Thanks for embarrassing me in the few minutes i have in here. Are you trying to get me back for all those OLD jokes i posted during the years?

    Good to see you to my OLD friend. Hope your doing better.

  155. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Three reasonable expectations for a, EIG type pitcher would be League of Seattle, Lindstrom of Houston or, if they start falling out, Ziegler of Oakland.

  156. vblade July 6th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    I’d be chewing nails watching Joba pitch the 8th inning in a playoff pressure situation. He’s shown to be either lights out, or completely implode, as evidenced by his stats when he gives up a run or more. When he loses it, it gets ugly.

    It’s not ideal, but with the limited market, it’s his job to lock down.

  157. S.o.S. July 6th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    I think we should call the white sox. Trade Pena for Bettimett and flip Bettimett back to them for Kenerko.

  158. pat July 6th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    m

    I didn’t see the Twilight special and daughter isn’t home so I don’t know if she did. Did I miss something good?

  159. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    S.o.S, you have about as many digs coming to you as randy does. I’ve been saving them for you guys.

    I’m doing just fine. Thanks for asking. I go to Tampa next week for a checkup. I’m hoping to sneak in and out before Nurse Karloff finds out that I’m there. A scary, scary woman (at least, I think she’s a woman). She has more hair on her face than a 1960s hippy.

  160. S.o.S. July 6th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    GB,
    Its quite simple. Call Randy, find out where he’s at and youll know if Nurse Warewolf is near by. I mean you did hook the two up if i can recall.

    Speaking of twilight, i saw new moon the other night. I just dont get it. Why does everyone like this stuff? Id rather have acid poored into my eyes than watch another one. But with my luck, ill probably have to watch the next one as well. P.S. i do wear the pants in the house if you have to know.

  161. Erin July 6th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos July 6th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    Erin -

    But Tex was so sure they were 52-30!

    *******************************
    I know! LOL :)

  162. Erin July 6th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    New Post: MLB makes Andy Pettitte all-star nod official

    :arrow:

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