Yankees launch Mission 33
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 08, 2010 
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It’s a matter of time before this whole day becomes about LeBron James. Just when you thought you couldn’t possibly read or watch any more about him, James is apparently going to ring the opening bell at the stock exchange, give the State of the Union address and serve as Grand Marshal of the Macy’s parade. And he’s going to do it all during an hour long ESPN special.
At least, that’s the way I understand it. I haven’t been paying much attention. I might have missed some details.
Until then, it’s Nick Swisher’s day to land a spot in the All-Star Game, and the Yankees are calling for something called Mission 33. Here’s the announcement.
At 3:30 p.m. today, fans are asked to vote at least 33 times in honor of outfielder Nick Swisher – who wears uniform No. 33 – over the final half hour of the Final Vote. Voting is vital throughout the day, but Mission 33 will be critical in order to “Send Swish” to the All-Star Game.
Voting for the final spot wraps up at 4 p.m., so you have 90 minutes. Here’s the link to vote for the final roster spot. The results will be announced tonight.
That’s an Associated Press photo of Swisher at some sort of LEGO event in New York last week. “Stop fooling around and go vote!” Swisher said. Or maybe he didn’t.
The voting page is going very slow. i imagine it’ll get worse as we get closer to 4pm. So if you were going to throw some votes in last minute, I would get started now
I knew the freemasons were involved
Send Swish!!!!
repost:
“If James does come to Miami, they will have their pick of veteran FA’s willing to play with those three guys to fill their needs.”
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that’s the key
I think they should try to get Derek Fisher to take a pay-cut to win some more rings.
They’ll have no problem getting guys who want a great shot at a ring to come and play for very little money.
Miami is gonna win 70 games!
JackCurryYES For now, any link between Yanks and Cliff Lee is because Cashman is being thorough. When marquee players are available, he surveys landscape
I just asked my boss at the office if I could vote 33 times at 3:30pm. He didn’t mind.
blake,
I figure they would (Philles would trade with the Yanks) but….
if they are going to move Werth and somewhat concede this year, I think they’d want prospects or a young player back, not a 3 month rental of Javy Vazquez.
I see no reason to trade Javy anyway. He is a big part of this team and will bring in two first rd picks as a type-A free agent.
MLB must be getting hammered with votes. Validation key is super slow to come up.
Down with Youk/Votto!
Vote Swish/Zimmerman!
My 8 year old is going to have carpal tunnel syndrome but she’s done her part for Swish to be an All-Star.
So now the Heat have enough money for Lebron, Wade, Bosh, a 6 million dollar bench player and Derek Fisher and enough left over for a starting center.
Chuck July 8th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
I just asked my boss at the office if I could vote 33 times at 3:30pm. He didn?t mind.
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You have a very cool boss.
I could get 20 votes in last night in 2 minutes or less.
Today it’s much slower, seems like 20 votes in 5 minutes.
Youk is also 33 times uglier than Swisher.
“So now the Heat have enough money for Lebron, Wade, Bosh, a 6 million dollar bench player and Derek Fisher and enough left over for a starting center.”
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who knows… it’s all possible.
Players will play for the minimum for a chance to play with the Big Three and a very good chance at some rings.
The Heat – the starting 5 would be free agents, their 6th man and most of the bench.
And Lebron wants to be affiliated with that?
At what point does the vote-recruiting become shameless and embarrassing? Look, I love Swish and hope he gets a chance to go to the ASG. But is he the most deserving guy? Not sure. He’d have my vote regardless, but do you want to go for your accomplishments on the field, or for your ability to recruit votes?
But if Swisher comes up short, it will be because the Yankees pizzed off Taiwan.
If you wait until 3:30, you’ll never get your vote in. The system is moving real slow. Vote now till your are gets too tiered to move. Why stop at 33? If every fan voted just 50 times, it may be enough to make a huge difference.
Talk about the easy way out.
I really like Swish and I’m doing my duty here but this voting is driving me a little batty. I didn’t exactly have a surplus of “sanity braincells” to begin with.
Hey Chad,
Do us a favor and tell Swish that we all love him but do us a favor and get himself picked outright next time!
“if they are going to move Werth and somewhat concede this year, I think they’d want prospects or a young player back, not a 3 month rental of Javy Vazquez.
I see no reason to trade Javy anyway. He is a big part of this team and will bring in two first rd picks as a type-A free agent.”
BD
Isn’t Werth also a type A free agent? It’s a swap of rentals. IMO At this point in time I think Javy (starting pitcher) is more valuable than Werth (position player).
“jake July 8th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
I have a bad feeling Montero isn’t going to pan out or do as well as he’s expected to do. Dont know why. ”
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so because you have a feeling with no reason for it, it makes sense to trade him?
Yanks are in a fantastic position with so many legit catching prospects.
If just one of them becomes the next Posada, it will be tremendous.
I say keep them all as long as you can to increase the odds that it happens.
If one must be traded, so be it. But don’t look to trade them.
Texting A2 to 1122 is also a way to vote. Easier for me.
Tar,
true.
I suppose you can’t go wrong with moving Javy for Werth, however, finding a decent RH bat is likely going to be much easier than finding a reliable starting pitcher at the deadline.
There are probably going to be some acceptable RH bats available as salary dumps. After Cliff Lee and Oswalt, is there a starting pitcher who is trustworthy and won’t cost the farm?
I used to count my votes but somewhere around 600-700 I lost count. I’m trying to get to 1,000 votes before this thing is over.
Copelius,
good idea.
forgot about that.
Just got a validation key that started with “33″! Hurray!
Oh this is big time fun now.
RS,
keep em coming!
Swish should take you out to lunch if he wins
Catcher, IMHO, is the most important position on the field. So with Jorge Posada nearing the end of his career, I want as many catchers as possible replacements, from Cervelli to Romine, Montero and Sanchez. When one of them establishes himself as the everyday catcher for the Yankees, only then should the Yankees look to move any of the other potential candidates. We have a ton of other prospects available to offer in trades. I see no last resort scenario where it’s necessary to mess with our catching situation.
If Youk does win, Girardi should make him play CF for all 9 innings
his ankle is a little tender, ya know?
Folks – stop commenting and start voting!
Copelius – I thought texting is only available to Sprint subscribers – unfortunately I have AT&T. Otherwise, I’d have voted so many more times today!
lori,
true true
I’m off to vote!
Patrick Ewing’s 33 favorite Gold Club lap dancers are voting Swisher!
BD (Boston Dave) July 8th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
If Youk does win, Girardi should make him play CF for all 9 innings
his ankle is a little tender, ya know?
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I like the way you think.
When I first clicked on this thread there were only 33 responses!
golden thong, you raise a pretty good point, this whole thing with Swisher is getting just a tad absurd. i actually think Youkilis deserves it slightly more, but it hasn’t stopped me from voting for Swisher. i just cannot stand Kevin Youkilis… he’s smug, rude, seems like a jackass, ugly, and he’s on the Red Sox. he and Pedroia epitomize why i can’t stand Boston. so, i am forced to vote for Swish even with this ridiculously over the top campaign.
“I suppose you can’t go wrong with moving Javy for Werth, however, finding a decent RH bat is likely going to be much easier than finding a reliable starting pitcher at the deadline”
I agree. Which is why if there was a trade if anybody should send back prospects it should be them. But unless they get Lee, I don’t think they Javy. If ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
next year:
does it make sense to try to vote in the WORST players for the NL?
If home field in the World Series is at stake, let’s try to pit a team of bench scrubs for the NL so they have no chance at winning.
Right?
Boston Dave
I probably asked this before but do you know of a good Bar near ddown Boston to watch the AllStar game?
bret – as opposed to what? playing with a bunch of failed first rounders in chicago? high and mighty doesn’t fly in basketball.
That should have said
“unless the Yankees get Lee, I don’t think they should TRADE Javy.”
“Folks – stop commenting and start voting!”
Lol, good point. Everyone who’s commenting here obviously has access to a computer so why not vote instead?
An incentive to voting even if Swisher doesn’t win is that you automatically enter into a sweepstakes to win 2 tickets to a Yankees game and a Swisher autographed baseball.
The Golden Thong July 8th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
At what point does the vote-recruiting become shameless and embarrassing? Look, I love Swish and hope he gets a chance to go to the ASG. But is he the most deserving guy? Not sure. He?d have my vote regardless, but do you want to go for your accomplishments on the field, or for your ability to recruit votes?
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Ask all the Red Sox fans who voted in 2008 to fill the starting team with Red Sox at Yankee Stadium that question
“At what point does the vote-recruiting become shameless and embarrassing?”
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It’s Swish.
If it were pretty much anyone else, it might be different.
The ASG is a joke. So just go with the flow and have fun with it, right?
Send Swish!!!
Yankees just made a trade…
vblade,
If you’re still around, step off the ledge man!
The Nets think Travis Outlaw can be an average starting forward in the NBA and he’s being paid like one. They are also going to go after Tyrus Thomas and/or Kyle Korver. Not terrible moves as long as they are signed for fair deals.
I’d love David Lee as well but unless Lebron goes to the Knicks, Lee is going to be signed then traded. And I doubt the Knicks would do a s&t with the Nets. I’m also not sure if Lee has any interest in the Nets.
I just read that Avery Johnson said the team is going to use all of their cap room except for $10 mil. I think that now we have a real coach this team has a real shot at the playoffs as long as the team stays healthy. Part of the reason the Nets were so bad last year was because of injuries.
We have to bide our time, hope that Harris, Lopez and Favors continue to improve and have faith that Thorn’s successor will build a good team in the years to come.
Swish is having a year that is deserving – but it IS a popularity contest Which Yanks SHOULD win
LeBron can get free lap dances for live if he becomes a Knick, I’m sure that was a big factor – Not.
I don’t know if it is Sprint only or not. I happen to be with Sprint so it works for me.
“I probably asked this before but do you know of a good Bar near ddown Boston to watch the AllStar game?”
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Boston Beer Works is decent.
However, I suggest joining a group of Boston-based Yankee fans here:
http://www.meetup.com/yankees-...../13959069/
let me know if the link doesn’t work
the bar is McGreevy’s at 911 Boylston St.
I hate the All Star game. I hate the break, I hate the voting, I hate the HR derby and every other completely and utterly idiotic gimmick they have come up with to advertise this most un-baseball-like of affairs…
That being said, why can’t I STOP VOTING?!?!! Every time I’ve voted in the past half hour I’ve told myself that this would be the last time. Dang you MLB and Bud Selig for making me a pawn in your game!!
I just got a validation code ending in 007.
Licensed to Swish!
just wear a Yankee hat or shirt and you’ll be fine
TylerKepner That’s Joe-speak for “yes he is” RT @SPTimesRays Rays David Price an “extremely strong” candidate to start All-Star Game, Joe Girardi says.
The whole point of this final vote thing is for the fans and the teams to have fun.
David Price through 111 pitches last night and I read that 100 of them were fastballs.
“Here’s my fastball Red Sox. Try and hit it.”
If Youkilis wins I’m hurling 33 expletives at the first chunky, goateed bald guy that I see.
threw*
1-hour warning
4pm deadline approaches
thanks DaveI;ll be the guy in the Lohud Shirt!
Bronx Jeers July 8th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
If Youkilis wins I?m hurling 33 expletives at the first chunky, goateed bald guy that I see.
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“Mobile voting in the U.S. is exclusive to Sprint, Nextel and Boost subscribers. To receive the 2010 All-Star Game Final Vote Sponsored by Sprint mobile ballot, text the word “VOTE” to 1122. To vote for a specific player, simply text message your choice to 1122. EXAMPLE: Text “A3″ to vote for AL Player 3 or “N3″ to vote for NL Player 3. Msg&Data Rates May Apply.”
Swisher is A2.
the red sox were getting thoroughly embarrassed last night by Price. i don’t know how they ended up scoring the couple runs they did, but it was just fastball after fastball and late swing after late swing. it seriously looked like a college team trying to play against the Rays for like the first 5 innings. i don’t know if i’ve ever actually felt sorry for the Sox, but last night i may have just a bit.
Thanks Nick. Back to the validation keys for me. . .
David Price through 111 pitches last night and I read that 100 of them were fastballs.
“Here’s my fastball Red Sox. Try and hit it.”
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Yup. 65 four seamers, 35 two seamers.
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....revDate=77
Patrick,
FYI,
A friend of mine in the know in Miami is “staking his life” on LeBron coming to Miami.
He values his life! lol
Seriously, he just spend over 100k on season tickets and I don’t think its to see Mario Chalmers, Wade and Bosh.
He knows something. Or, he just spent a lot of money for nothing! lol
Yankees #Yankees fans, Mission 33 begins in 30 minutes. We?re voting over 33 times @ 3:30 p.m. ET to #SendSwish to the #ASG!
I’m really #tired of #everything on the @internet having #these #stupid @tags on #them.
I just voted about 70 times over my lunch break…resistance is futile.
My rationale for doing so was that I’d rather see Swisher’s smiling, “kid-in-a-candy-store” mug all over the ASG, than Youk petting his ridiculous goat whilst contemplating his greatness.
…and Swish is my wife’s favorite Yankee.
Rangers close to trading for Cliff Lee.
Come on, if every Yankee fan votes 33 more times for Swisher, he’s in!
Unless every ugly person votes for Youk. Darn.
“Here’s my fastball Red Sox. Try and hit it.”
More like “Here’s my fastball PawSox….”
Mets close to a deal with Cubs for Lilly.
At 2:00pm today, all Sox fans voted 20 times to represent Youkilis’ number so Swish automatically wins.
“I’m really #tired of #everything on the @internet having #these #stupid @tags on #them.”
Stop your f#@#ing complainin’!
Any sources Big Al?
Be nice if Lee weren’t pitching for the M’s tomorrow night.
Look at it this way, if we get Swish in and he hits a HR to win the game, it’s like we helped the Yanks get home field for the WS.
Of course, if he makes an error to cost them the game…..
Way too much commenting-
Not enough validation keys!!!!
Send Swish
Just got validation code ending in 55.
Godzilla endorses Swisher!
I don’t see how the Rangers could top the alleged Twins offer without vastly overpaying.
I don’t see them including Smoak or one of their prize pitching prospects.
My Android system just warned me that a large number of texts were being sent. It may think there is a bug. I told it to keep voting.
I don’t see how the Mets could be close to a deal for Lilly, they just pulled the reigns back on a Lee deal 2 days ago (they won’t include ike davis or mejiea, so they are no shot).
I was just reading that the Rangers have been asked to include Smoak in the deal, because they can’t afford the $4million that Lee is owed for the remainder of the year. I’d say that just about nukes that deal, if they trade Smoak for a rental they are insane.
So Lee staying in Seattle is looking more and more likely by the day.
Nick in SF in Larkspur July 8th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Just got validation code ending in 55.
Godzilla endorses Swisher!
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Nice.
“I don’t see them including Smoak or one of their prize pitching prospects”
Texas has apparently said no way they move Scheppers or Perez. Sounds like maybe Holland could be available though.
I just heard the same thing as BIG AL.
Mets and cubs are in heated discussions for Ted Lilly.
I also heard the “Being thorough” excuse given by Jack Curry was a false statement given by the Yankees spokesman. I have heard the Yankees are talking Austin Romine and Juan Miranda with the Mariners.
“Texas has apparently said no way they move Scheppers or Perez. Sounds like maybe Holland could be available though.”
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interesting. I’m not sure how to feel about that. Holland would be a top prospect for most teams but the Rangers are loaded.
I guess Lee would make them legit contenders….
Anybody trading for Cliff Lee right now is going to pay a premium price.
The closer you get to the deadline, the more the price drops.
Folks that want him now, be prepared for that deal to hurt because Jack Z ain’t givin’ him away.
Now every code is a Yankee uniform number.
Just got-Farnsworth-Winfield-Mantle
Lilly is also a Type-A free agent.
may cost quite a bit in terms of prospects?
BIG AL July 8th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Rangers close to trading for Cliff Lee.
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Why? Because Fox and their pet idiot Rosenthal says so? Name one time that he was first about anything. Hell, just name one time that he was ever right.
Remember when Brian Cashman got Nick Swisher for Wilson Betemit
Mo-Sweet Lou- Yogi !
“Anybody trading for Cliff Lee right now is going to pay a premium price.
The closer you get to the deadline, the more the price drops.”
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I’m not sure it drops much though if he keeps pitching like he is.
There is enough demand and the fact that he is the type of impact arm that could make or break a team’s season is enough to keep his value at a premium.
Just got the Wanger.
DiMaggio- Number of Yankee Championships – Godzilla
Any code ending in a ’33′ is a good sign!
Ok, no more comments until after 4.
Go forth and vote!!
https://twitter.com/MLBiinsider
BD,
If you wait until July 31, the Mariners have two options…..take the draft picks and keep him. Or, take what’s available.
Now? Jack Z can pitch 4-5 more starts prior to 7/31 which ups the price.
If it was me, I wouldn’t a premium price for a guy they will sign in the off-season as a FA.
Only way I’d do it is if either a starter got hurt or the price is such where you can’t turn it down. Which of course, is unlikely.
After hearing that Wade and Bosh has camera crews following them around for free agent meetings, I just realized what the ESPN special is going to most likely be tonight.
Outside of Lebron saying Miami Heat, we’re going to be treated to all that footage that was shot over the week of the three of them taking meetings and edited to make them look intelligent and heroic in their choice.
Lebron in Miami turns him into the biggest villain in the NBA. He’s Arod now.
And he can forget about comparisons to Jordan and Magic. Miami is Wade’s team. He already won a championship there. Lebron is Pippen.
As some in the media have already said, it’s time to knock off the “King” stuff.
I bet if Youk gets left out, MLB will find a way to get him in the game… maybe another player gets a “minor injury”
either way, I’m off to vote Swish.
I hope Ryan Zimmerman appreciates all this bonus support he’s getting.
Oscar Gamble- Hideki- Yogi (again)
If Lebron lands in Miami, all of Juice Simpson’s former South Beach hotties will be in the custody of LeBron until Juice is out of Nevada State Prison.
“If you wait until July 31, the Mariners have two options…..take the draft picks and keep him. Or, take what’s available.”
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SJ44,
I agree…. except that so many teams covet Lee, I believe a team will overpay now or in 3 weeks. You’re right that his value is higher now, but I doubt that value drops too much as teams scramble to set themselves apart in very tight playoff races across the league.
I certainly think he’ll draw more than Sabathia did for the Indians, regardless of when he is traded, and LaPorta was a heck of a prospect.
I was just thinking about those Zimmerman votes.
Someone, somewhere might be reviewing all this and saying “Zimmerman’s getting a lot of support in NYC…must be the Hebrew angle”
“I bet if Youk gets left out, MLB will find a way to get him in the game”
In all fairness, he should be in the game. Don’t think MLB does anything about it though. Sure neither Youkilis nor the Red Sox will have any issues with a 4 day break for that ankle thing.
GLove,
Its pretty clear LeBron doesn’t care about being the “King”.
That’s what I gather from all this.
He wants to win. To do so, he’s going to make a decision to go where he thinks he has his best shot.
Actually, its a pretty selfless thing all of these guys are doing when you think about it.
They could just go elsewhere, get their max money, and be the “Man” with their respective franchises.
If it was just about him being above a team or the game, he wouldn’t be going to Miami.
Its really like Arod coming to the Yankees, knowing its Derek Jeter’s team, and doing what he can to fit in.
Bernie July 8th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Remember when Brian Cashman got Nick Swisher for Wilson Betemit
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Sometimes I think about this and giggle uncontrollably.
As long as there are 2+ teams who want Lee I don’t think it will hurt the Mariners to wait to the deadline.
Theoretically, of course, Lee is worth more the more starts he can give you, so theoretically he is worth more now than on July 31st. But, since the real goal is the playoffs, he will be worth just as much to a team in the playoff hunt at the deadline as he is now.
As long as there a multiple teams who still want him. It will be the typical contest to see who blinks first.
“In all fairness, he should be in the game.”
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absolutely, though that the AL is so loaded at 1b.
Youk is an MVP candidate every year, IMO – best player on that team. I think he was the MVP even when Pedroia won it.
Still, as long as the ridiculous ASG is a popularity contest, I’m voting Swish early and often.
The legs of Youkilis were not springing up and down like a jackrabbit in the batter’s box last night against David Price’s 95 + MPH heat.
https://twitter.com/MLBiinsider
^^ He said Yanks talking Romine and Miranda.
Romine is the catching prospect they want and the big league ready bat they like.
hey Betemit was 3-4 the other night for KC!
ok, back to voting
This is going dreadfully slow.
Mission 33 is a clever idea, but someone in the brain trust didn’t take a clogged server into effect
You give these athletes WAY too much credit personality-wise….
Supposedly, the Heat are close to a three way deal involving Michael Beasley and a mid-level exception.
I’m assuming that frees up cap room to not only sign Mike Miller but, along with the additional 2 million in cap space, gives them more money to add another player or two.
Swish with the narrow lead as of RIGHT NOW over the puker. Keep voting.
Lebrons planned party
http://ownersedge.fanball.com/.....;nid=54307
Mission 33 begins now!!!
“Romine is the catching prospect they want”
Good choice. He seems the catching prospect most likely to catch.
Ray,
How would like to be the slug from the W that leaked that info! lol
If LeBron gets ticked and ends up at the Ritz Carlton, the guy who leaked that story is gettin’ canned! lol
BIlly D. i agree. He’s more of a guarantee. But not as big as a reward as Montero
voting site has picked up speed again, do the bars in Boston open at 3:30?
Would Philly take Javy for Werth?
Lee for Romine, Nunez and a pitcher
What a rotation and Werth becomes RF with Swish at DH. Tough lefties have Gardner in CF
YANKEE RAY!!!
I think you got the best idea i’ve heard yet.
BOTH trades are legit and definitely possible. Add a lower prospect or $$ to the deal with javy and it’s dynamite.
If the offer is Joba, Miranda and Romine for Lee, and Seattle accepts, you have to think the Yankees would have other deals in the hopper because they would have to fill holes on the bench, bullpen and offense, even though they have Lee.
Not sure I’m buying that offer.
If I participated in all this nonsense and Swish doesn’t end up winning I’m going to punch a baby.
I don’t know that I’m buying the W rumor. It would be pretty easy for LeBron to rent those cabanas under some corporate cover, his name would never have to come up.
Not claiming all this Bron to Miami stuff is false, but that W hotel party is BS.
Bron is going to Carmello’s wedding this weekend?
You think he his ditching that to throw his own party in Miami?
Shame Spencer July 8th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
If I participated in all this nonsense and Swish doesn?t end up winning I?m going to punch a baby.
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Only if the baby is wearing a Red Sox onesie and even then I don’t really condone that….
Babies are really cute!
theres no chance the yankees would trade for a rental without a guaranteed extension window, something Lee is not going to offer any team.
That’s a lot to give up for a half season of Lee. The Yanks could win the WS without him.
“Lebron in Miami turns him into the biggest villain in the NBA.”
That’s one of the reasons I have trouble believing these reports about him going to Miami. Lebron’s camp obviously doesn’t want his decision to be reported before tonight, so I find it curious that we’re hearing so many leaks. I wouldn’t be surprised if this stuff is a smokescreen designed to generate buzz until he announces that he’s staying in Cleveland. I hope I’m wrong, because it would be nice to see a superstar leave money on the table for a better shot at winning. Your A-Rod comparison is very interesting, if he actually does get on a national stage and rip the heart out of Cleveland by joining Wade/Bosh, he better hope they win quickly and often.
I’m getting Carpal Swisher Syndrome.
I dont think the offer would be ALL 3 of Joba, Romine, and Miranda. That’s A LOT.
and i thnk if he’s told there’s a trade to the Yankees in the works, but they are requesting a signing window, he would do it. he’s not gonna get more $$ from anyone else.
Sj44 thanks for the Heat update!
By the way, I gotta give you a lot of credit you have good sources
Also, stephen a smith is on with francesa now and he said it’s possible that Lebron is trying to get an opt out clause in 3 years. Looks like you are right on the money again.
Pat Riley is a genius, the heat are going to be a ton of fun to watch next year, enjoy your season tickets SJ!
I was wrong about LeBron on a multitude of levels.
Congrats, SJ.
Why would you trade Joba and Romine for a player that’s 99.99% going to be available in 5 months?
I also can’t see them trading away Javy.
I think I have to stop voting before I get Carpal Tunnel. LOL
Swisher better win this thing!!!!
A couple of things…
The draft for next year is supposed to be quite deep. If the Yankees are very serious about looking to sign Lee, it might well be worth knowing the talent you are giving up to get him now via trade rather than lose the picks for him.
Hughes is pitching well, but he has already logged a decent amount of innings on his arm. The bullpen isn’t exactly the greatest part of the team either. Getting Lee could mean they could have Hughes move back to the bullpen to limit innings and giving them a long man as well.
CC, Lee, Andy and AJ would be a formidable rotation in the post season.
Javy can also become expendable if they trade for Lee and don’t look to put Hughes in the BP.
I think adding Lee gives the Yankees a better chance at putting away the other teams in the East. Quite possibly with the Yankees maintaining holding on to “best record”.
Lefty pitchers are highly valued, even when they are not all that great. Getting another lefty starter for YS is not a bad thing.
By the way, SJ, what’s the word on Riley possibly taking over as coach?
I’ll make it an ugly baby. Like in Seinfeld.
@Buster_ESPN: Heard Yanks might try to swing David Dejesus from Royals to Mariners along with Romine for Cliff Lee deal. It’s heating up
Oh and one more thing, I don’t like Stephen A Smith at all but you have to give him props for reporting on this thing first
SJ,
I understand why Lebron is doing what he did. It’s the same reason Clemens forced his way here to get his ring.
That said, there will be no joy when Lebron wins a championship. A nation of basketball fans aren’t going to rejoice in his success. He’ll be celebrated in Miami and that’s it. That might be enough, but I think the guy is egotistical and wants to be loved like Magic and Jordan and Bird were.
He won’t be. He’ll always be looked at as the guy who ran from his team to join an all star team.
Any championships he wins in Miami will have asterisks on them such as “he couldn’t win them alone in Cleveland”.
I’m upset for the Cleveland fans. If I were him I wouldn’t come to the Knicks either. While they got under the cap, they stripped that team of talent to the point that there was nothing there worth joining forces with.
This Miami move doesn’t guarantee anything. A lot of ego’s, including the head coach (which you know Riley will come out of retirement to be) to deal with there. It reeks of one of those “be careful what you wish for” type things.
Like I said, the NBA is going to turn into the David vs. Goliath with the rest of the teams in the league being David.
If Miami just dominates and cakewalks to the title, it will be the worst thing to happen to that sport. Hopefully, one of the David’s knock them off.
If Lohud is like “Crack” —what is this un-natural urge to keep voting for Swish called?
The deals that have buzz beforehand never actually seem to happen
Deals that actually happen always seem to blindside you
stephen a smith didnt break any of this news, the party rumor and all this nonsense has been floating around since early this morning
Did LeBron decide to announce early?
Hey, I didn’t ante up for my tix yet!
Gotta hear it from his mouth before I do that! lol
Spolstra is going to coach for a two major reasons:
1. Wade LOVES him and Wade, as much or more than Riley, is driving this train.
2. Riley is still stinging over what he did to Van Gundy. I think it would take the Heat playing very poorly for Riley to take over.
The Van Gundy thing all was over Shaq and the way Van Gundy choked in the Eastern conference finals against the Pistons.
Shaq went to Riley and told him, “either you take over or I won’t play for Van Gundy”.
Riley had no choice. He had to take over.
This time is different.
Eric is a good coach and Wade absolutely loves him.
As long as he starts ok, I think he will be safe.
I did my part – 133 votes for Swish!
“@Buster_ESPN: Heard Yanks might try to swing David Dejesus from Royals to Mariners along with Romine for Cliff Lee deal. It?s heating up”
Did you see that on Buster’s account or the fake account posted above? The MLBiinsider has two followers and can’t spell insider.
With Jake Peavey out for the year, the surging White Sox could be players for the rental services of Cliff Lee. The economy will factor in plus what Seattle will want from Chicago in young talent.
Detroit and Minnesota will attempt to drive up the price if they don’t deal for Lee themselves.
You guys do know you are getting all these Cliff Lee Rumors from some guy on Twitter with just 2 followers and only 5 total tweets.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/.....Stories%29
now this is the bottom grubbing i have come to respect and admire… lol…
Tar July 8th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
If Lohud is like “Crack” —what is this un-natural urge to keep voting for Swish called?
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Take your pick, Tar. It’s either “Swack” or “Crish”.
YankeesPR: less than 15 minutes left of voting for @nickswisher – #sendswish
Irreverent, smith was reporting Wade, James and Bosh to the heat weeks ago
I am not giving up hope until I hear the words from LeBron’s mouth. SJ
How boring will ‘The Decision’ be if he just comes on and confirms he is going to Miami?
Everyone loves a twist
tk July 8th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
“@Buster_ESPN: Heard Yanks might try to swing David Dejesus from Royals to Mariners along with Romine for Cliff Lee deal. It?s heating up”
Did you see that on Buster’s account or the fake account posted above? The MLBiinsider has two followers and can’t spell insider
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The account from above. i had no idea it was BS. Serves me right.
patrick – people have been reporting that for 2 years…
GLove,
How is different than Arod coming to the Yankees? Its really the same thing.
As far as ego, I disagree. If it was about ego, these guys wouldn’t get together and LeBron would just go to NY.
ITs about winning. Wade orchestrated this entire thing.
Its Wade, not LeBron, who is willing to take a step back. You gotta give Wade a lot of credit for that.
Wade is the most popular athlete down here since Dan Marino. He is GOD down here.
He is Arod AND Jeter rolled up into one in this market.
He realizes that once LeBron hits town, LeBron is going to garner the ink. He doesn’t care. He wants to win.
Personally, I think most people are upset because the natural order of sports is rocked a bit.
Fans like teams to control situations. Trades, signings, cuts, etc.
When players get together and decide they want to play together, it upsets the natural order and fans don’t like it.
It was the same outcry when Arod was looking to get out of Texas.
If all three guys take deals that are friendly enough to add other parts to fill out the team, its pretty tough to say ego and selfishness is driving the train.
It would be three guys more concerned with winning than reps and marketing.
In that way, its pretty cool.
GB7 voting for Swisher:
http://nicholas.arz.com.br/blo.....mputer.jpg
Swack it is.
This vote is to offset youk’s mom’s vote. This one is to offset Pete “crack” Abe’s. This one for…
Not bad, Nick.
LGY,
Its the old saying from Wall Street, “Follow the money”……
The Heat sold out their entire allotment of season tickets as of noon today.
When folks are spending this kind of money this quickly, somethin’ is up.
Its more than just rumor, IMO.
We will see at 9 tonight. I think he’s comin’ and its going to be huge news down here, that’s for sure.
I can say with a clear conscience that I have done the best I could for Mr. Nick Swisher
It’s really not that cool.
I hope for the sake of the Miami Heat ticket agency there aren’t a lot of angry folks demaning refunds tomorrow
Sounds like the exact type of “leak” generated to promote ticket sales
I’m just excited I can go back to not caring about basketball tomorrow.
YOU guys have been on here rambling for the past hour in Swisher’s critical time of need?
I have voted for him 300 times!
SJ,
I am beyond rational thinking on this whole thing and just holding tight to my Knick Homerism.
Everyone thought Alex and Tex were going to Boston.
Bernie,
That’s why I’m holding off until after 9 tonight before I renew1 lol
Bret the Hitman July 8th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
YOU guys have been on here rambling for the past hour in Swisher?s critical time of need?
I have voted for him 300 times!
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I am thinking lots of real fans have been voting since the weekend and don’t need the last minute
I voted for Swish even though I think the ASG is a complete and utter joke.
It would only be cool to Heat fans.
And why weren’t those season tickets already sold? Don’t the Heat have a 100% retention rate?
I am still voting but its after 4…
Apparently, LeBron is still in Cleveland.
WTH is this guy doing? He’s got a show to prepare for tonight.
Who’s having a tougher day? The Brewers with 7 hits, 5 walks plus a Giants passed ball and only score one run in 4.2 innings (no GIDP or caught stealing) or Zito, who has a 6-1 lead and just got pulled with 2 outs in the 5th inning with 113 pitches thrown?
just curious when do we find out who won the final vote
Why is it still allowing us to vote?
Pretty clear he’s not going to the Nets so I hope he stays in Cleveland.
A part of me thinks LeBron isn’t 100% sure where he’s going to yet.
I want to start GTLU, but they’re still letting me vote for Swish.
Are these “Extra Time” votes legit?
And am I in danger of winning free tickets to a Nationals game?
Tar,
i dunno. i kept voting after 4pm.
I figured it would have said voting was over.
They final vote winner will be unveiled on MLB network at 6 pm
redsox were 3/3 on “final votes” going into this year?
mlb.com says announcements at 6pm EST for the winner.
Do we keep voting? I am so confused!
It doesn’t have to be cool for other fans other than Heat fans.
You think fans of other baseball teams like the Yankees? They hate everything about the Yankees.
Its good to be hated in sports. It means you are good AND feared.
There is nothing worse in sports than fans not caring either way about your team.
If everybody hates the Heat but Heat fans, that’s a VERY good thing.
It means they matter. That’s nice for a change.
Teddy – they announce at 6pm.
But I’m still voting – until the system stops me . . .
MLB announcing winners at 6PM EST
“Its good to be hated in sports. It means you are good AND feared.”
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B-I-N-G-O
It may finally be done.
Today’s Guess the Line Up is Now Open for Business.
I will accept lineups until 6:00 p.m. or until an official lineup is posted. Good luck.
The strange thing is the Mike Miller offer with the deadline on it.
Why did they put a deadline on the offer for tonight?
If they were 100% confident they were getting LeBron what’s the need to press Miller?
SJ,
I’m not disputing the players rights to do what they did. All the power to them.
I’m just saying that a player who has made it such a point to turn his name into a brand is going to change the perception of his brand for the worse by going to Miami.
That move will not be celebrated anywhere other than South Florida. It just won’t.
Fans won’t be watching Lebron on that team (which will be marketed as a dream team) and thinking, “Good for Lebron, it’s about time he gets one”.
If it does anything, it has the potential to turn Kobe into the darling of the rest of fans. It’s going to be Kobe vs. the dream team and he’s going to appear as the underdog.
Lebron is walking smack dab into the hatred that Arod garners around the league. He’s not going to be viewed as an ambassador of the game anymore. He’s going to be viewed as Arod.
Outside of Yankee fans there was no one in this country last year who were saying, “Good for Arod for finally getting his ring”.
That stuff is all extraneous and shouldn’t matter to the player, but Lebron better not get crestfallen when he wakes up tomorrow and the it’s the World vs. him.
He won’t get cheers in MSG and other arenas like he did when he was a Cav. He’s going to look like the player who used free agency to stack the deck against the rest of the league.
I’m not sure he’s going to love the perception of him and it could hurt him in the marketing dollars as well if people start to hate him for this.
Fort Woth Star-Telegram newspaper is reporting a deal for Cliff Lee to the Rangers is very close.
It just finally went to a different screen.
Now we play the waiting game!
(pause)
The waiting game is boring, let’s play Hungry Hungry Hippo.
Yup. And everyone hates the Lakers.
Voting is closed. Now maybe I can get some work done . . .
“I’m not sure he’s going to love the perception of him and it could hurt him in the marketing dollars as well if people start to hate him for this.”
You don’t understand how marketing works. They’ll tell us we love him, and we will.
I doubt that James, like Rodriguez doesn’t mind being hated by everyone but his banker.
Don’t worry Knicks fans.
Everyone’s favorite WFAN caller incarcerated bob claiming on his twitter page LeBron to the Knicks with sources to back it up.
National media v. incarcerated bob
An epic battle. Who will come out on top?
m,
If Lebron goes to the Heat, the Lakers become America’s team. Just watch. It’s going to happen. Kobe will be the underdog darling and Phil Jackson will be the wise wizard who the world trusts to defeat the dreaded Miami Dream Team.
All Star vote show at 6, Lebron decision at 9, what kind of world are we living in.
When I was a kid I waited for the Thursday sporting news to get my information.
well I voted until it wouldn’t let me anymore…time to get to the real work…
GTLU
SS Jeet
RF All Star Swish
1B Tex
DH Alex
2B Robbie
C Po
CF Grandy
3B Russo
LF GGBG
thanks Doreen
Why the big show? That points to NY or Miami. Because this dog and pony show needs a big finish. Big Apple? Big Three? Hmmm…
Also promises made 3 years or even 3 hours ago can be broken.
If Lebron does go to Miami they aren’t better than the Lakers.
They may not even make it out of the east.
Wave,
Don’t be so sure of that. Most of the marketing pro’s in the country are Knicks, Bulls and Lakers fans, lol.
GTLU:
SS Jeter
RF Send Swish
1B Teixeira
DH Rodriguez
2B Cano
C Posada
CF Granderson
3B Russo
LF Gardner
Thanks!
wow, kate-we have the same lineup!
GLove,
I think these three guys have known for two years they were going to play together.
I don’t think this is something that was just hatched this off-season.
I think they all know what’s coming up and I don’t think they care.
They have talked about playing together since the Olympics. They even timed their contracts to make sure they are free at the same time.
I think everybody outside of Miami is ticked off because he isn’t going to their team. If indeed he goes to the Heat.
Cleveland believes he should be there for life because he’s from the area.
NY believes he should be there because they have convinced themselves one of the worst run franchises in sports should have LeBron work for them.
Chicago believes it should be them because they think he’s the missing link.
Miami has no national following. So, if they win, folks don’t like it because it doesn’t fit what they think LeBron should do.
Bottom line…..if he wins, it will matter. Just as it did with Arod last year.
Its all about winning. If he wins in Miami, his brand isn’t going to be hurt in the slightest.
I don’t think his brand is going to be hurt at all regardless of where he plays because he’s so solid off the court, you don’t have to worry about him embarrassing you.
no matter what, LBJ is a moron.
I got at least 20 extra votes in during that “Injury Time” bonus voting window.
whew, still time to fret about Lebron.
Yankees Great job #Yankees fans! Thanks for voting to #SendSwish to the #ASG! We?ll find out the results at 6 p.m. ET.
Would MJ had ever pulled this kind of self serving game that LeBron has, I don’t think so. MJ was great, but, he was also a team player. LeBron is all about LeBron, period.
“Most of the marketing pro’s in the country are Knicks, Bulls and Lakers fans, lol.”
G Love-
Whatever marketing outfit markets LeBron (shows you how ignorant on the NBA I am, I don’t even know), my guess is whatever team the partners there used to root for, they’re rooting for LBJ now.
1. Wade LOVES him and Wade, as much or more than Riley, is driving this train.
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That’s basically what Stephen A. just said on Francesa’s show. Basically that Wade really likes Spolstra. He also said that Wade likes Riley the executive but thinks he can wear thin as a coach. I can DEFINITELY see that being the case.
So SJ, when you do re-up your season tickets (and you will, because both know Lebron will be on the Heat), where are your seats? On the floor, or a suite?
This has been in the works since Olympics, could Paul be next?
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ons/100708
Erin
I haven’t won in quite a while
hopefully we are right
2 hour to announce the winner is just plain dumb. I am sure they had real time results all along and know full well who the winners are. Given that they need to tell the teams first – and that takes all of 10 minuts – this waiting game is just plain dumb.
According to For Sports Network on 1030 AM, Shore Sports confirmed that the Yanks signed Garrett Atkins to a minor league contract.
Come on 6PM, I hope all the Yankees fans did enough to send Swish to the ASG. I know I’m worn out from all the voting.
upstate kate July 8th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Erin
hopefully we are right I haven?t won in quite a while
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Same here. I can’t even remember the last time I won. lol
Patrick,
Baseline floor seats.
BIG AL,
Its impossible to say what Jordan would do because the world has changed since MJ retired.
Social media has changed everything.
Its all about controlling the message, Twitter, Facebook, etc.
Its a completely different world.
MJ was no angel. He punched out teammates. He was a degenerate gambler, and was very high maintainence.
The difference is, no camera phones, extensive internet, social media, etc, to chronicle his every move.
The world has changed and these guys are really the guinea pigs in terms of how they get out, and control, their message.
“Why is it still allowing us to vote?”
Because Peter Gammons was crying that they needed more time.
When the rumor that all 3 big FA’s were going to the Heat I was initially annoyed. But thinking about it, I knew Lebron was never going to join the Nets. Maybe he will in 3 years but not this year. And I know that my team, the Nets, aren’t going to do much this year. Maybe they make the playoffs, but probably not.
So all that being said, it will be fun as a fan of basketball to watch what the Heat do. As good as they are with Lebron I wouldn’t put them as a lock to win against the Lakers.
I think Miami with Lebron is the best team in the East – the Magic have Dwight and Nelson but Vince isn’t that great any more. The Celtics are getting old and Perkins might be out all year. The Cavs are nothing, the Hawks are good but nothing special. But once they get out of the East, the Lakers could be the better team. They have so much talent, and of course, Phil Jackson.
So the starting 5 on Miami will be Bosh, Wade, James, Chalmers, and free agent signing?
How is Chalmers as a pro? I remember him from KU and his shot against Memphis obviously but how has he been as a pro? Also, won’t they have to move Beasley to be able to take on all 3 contracts? At this point who would want Beaseley. All I see him as is another supremely talented guy who is troubled beyond repair.
The Knicks will go for Anthony next year. If they get him and Amare can stay healthy and maybe they can swing a deal for Parker or if we want to dream CP3 then they will have a nice start. Especially if Danilo keeps developing. And the Nets….. I don’t know what to make of the Nets ha.
GTLU
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Tex 1B
Alex 3B
Cano 2B
Posada DH
Granderson CF
Cervelli C
Russo LF
Ed – July 8th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
According to For Sports Network on 1030 AM, Shore Sports confirmed that the Yanks signed Garrett Atkins to a minor league contract.
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The ? is why? He stinks! A .214 hitter that plays 1B & #3B. Makes no sense.
Saw this in my newspaper today. Just kind of interesting how this whole thing is starting to grate on people’s nerves. Jackie MacMullan who’s quoted in the following article was also on espnews today. She was tough but fair. She can’t be happy with the possibility of LBJ to Miami, haha.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07.....d_sandomir
GTLU
Jeter-ss
Swish-rf
Tex-1b
Arod-3b
Cano-2b
Posada-C
Granderson-cf
Thames-DH
Gardner-lf
Thanks Doreen
“I think Miami with Lebron is the best team in the East – the Magic have Dwight and Nelson but Vince isn’t that great any more. The Celtics are getting old and Perkins might be out all year. The Cavs are nothing, the Hawks are good but nothing special. But once they get out of the East, the Lakers could be the better team. They have so much talent, and of course, Phil Jackson.”
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The balance of power in the East has shifted with the Jermaine O’Neill signing. He will find the fountain of youth in Boston and bring another wicked fantastic title to Beantown.
What’s interesting is, how the Heat fill out the rest of the roster if LeBron comes on board.
Do they complete a sign and trade with Beasley and sign Mike Miller?
Do they kick the tires on Josh Howard?
Do they move on a point guard like Luke Ridenour or Raymond Felton?
Do they keep Mario Chalmers or trade him for Rudy Fernandez?
Do they bring back Udonis Haslem, probably Dwayne Wade’s best friend, on a mid-level exception deal? Would Udonis take less money to come back to Miami?
The interesting part would be how Riley intends on filling out the rest of the roster. That’s what is going to be fascinating to watch in the coming weeks.
“The ? is why? He stinks! A .214 hitter that plays 1B & #3B. Makes no sense.”
People thought when Holliday left him when he was still with the Rockies, it had affected him since Holliday was his protection. So yeah, he stinks since he didnt hit for 2 years now. If he does comes up, hopefully Kevin Long could fix him.
How is it not going to hurt his brand? He had the chance to go to 2 franchises (knicks, nets) with disenchanted fans. He could have put them on his shoulders and carried them back to relevance. He would have brought all of their fans and more back to the sport.
Now? I continue to not care about the knicks/nets AND i continue to not care about the heat.
If he goes to Miami he may not lose a ton of money, but the sport loses mine.
Alright I’ll try
1. Jeter SS
2. Swisher RF
3. Tex 1b
4. Arod DH
5. Cano 2B
6. Posada C
7. Granderson CF
8. Gardner LF
9. Pena 3B
Thanks Doreen!
Baseline floor seats.
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Very nice
There’s no guarantee Carmelo Anthony comes to the Knicks. If Carmelo Anthony signs his max extension with the Nuggets, he won’t be a Knick next year.
If he doesn’t sign it, you can pencil him in for the Knicks and hope and pray Miami doesn’t somehow figure out a way to make cap room for him by next off season.
sj44 – just make sure you find a miami heat board to talk about how fascinating it is, because no one here will care at all.
I have no idea how to speculate on filling out an NBA roster. Wouldn’t you need a spreadsheet and a computer program? That’s why speculating on baseball trades is more fun. It’s not like solving simultaneous equations with multiple variables.
SJ,
Every veteran thirsting for a ring is going to come to Miami willing to play for minimums. It will be a complete all star team past and present.
“The balance of power in the East has shifted with the Jermaine O’Neill signing. ”
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not so sure about that
Anything can happen in a playoff series, of course, but the Heat will be the unquestioned favorites to win the title.
I honestly believe the C’s and Lakers were dead even last season. Will the Lakers improve? Will the Celtics? Or will they both just be a year older?
SJ44,
I don’t think the Heat get a MLE…
With Bosh I think Beasley is unnecessary so yeah I think they’ll trade him and sign Miller.
They will need some big bodies to help Bosh… he isn’t exactly known for his defensive abilities.
Irreverent, you telling me you won’t watch a Championship matchup between the Heat and Lakers? That’s a huge draw
the Heat just need to fill the team out with defensive players, rebounders, and a Steve Kerr clone.
That shouldn’t be too hard to find. With the Big Three, they just need role players who want a chance at some rings.
SJ-
Wouldnt they basically be forced to trade Beasley if they sign all 3? I thought with the cap they would only have like 11,000 left after the big 3 sign so everybody would have to be for the league minimum if Michael stays. They also mentioned the possibility of Derek Fisher signing there but I can’t imagine he leaves the Lakers where, until the Heat prove themselves, he still has the best chance of winning.
Josh Howard’s an interesting possibility. If Lebron, Wade etc. keep his head on straight he would really be a solid player on the Heat. Good defender and can put up points too. How much would a guy like Marcus Camby sign for? He would give them a hell of a defensive presence in the paint. Donno if he would fit in the cap though.
Not too knowledgable about basketball but I’m trying to get into it lol.
Patrick Ewing might come out of retirement to play for the Heat if he’s allowed to spend off days in Atlanta.
Boston Dave-
If you read the rest of my post you would see that I was sarcastic about Jermaine O’Neil. The guy hasn’t been the same for the past 4 years. It cracks me up though because he’s going to Boston sho pepople will probalby build him up like they did Rasheed.
ID,
I think that a lot of people (not me) pulled for LeBron with the Cavs. City hasn’t won a championship since before he was born, blah, blah, blah. Next MJ, blah, blah, blah.
Some, but not all of that support will go with him if he goes to Miami.
I kind of thought LBJ to the Knicks would have a good storyline. If he could rebuild that franchise, it would really put him over the top.
Ed – July 8th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
“The ? is why? He stinks! A .214 hitter that plays 1B & #3B. Makes no sense.”
People thought when Holliday left him when he was still with the Rockies, it had affected him since Holliday was his protection. So yeah, he stinks since he didnt hit for 2 years now. If he does comes up, hopefully Kevin Long could fix him.
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KLong has enough projects on his hands to fix. Let’s fix Granderson first and go from there. We already have much bettter talent in SWB.
Anything Kobe v. LBJ will draw. They’ve been trying to get that for the last 2 postseasons. But the Celtics had other plans.
The league will become even more unbearable to watch.
G Love-
I was under the impression that Melo wasn’t going to sign that extension with Denver. He seems to me to be like a guy who would love the exposure of NYC as he has kind of been second fiddle at times in the media out in Denver. Him and Amare, a point guard (maybe Parker who I know has lost a step but is still servicable), Danilo, you have the makings of a good team.
Plus, if the Knicks start winning again, players will flock there. People want to play in MSG. The only problem is that the Knicks have been so poorly run and terrible. If they prove they can turn themselves around, people will jump at the chance to put on the orange and blue.
patrick – why is it a huge draw? because lebron chose to make it so?
no, i won’t watch something like that. i watch sports for entertainment, for the sport of it… if you will… and not knowing before the season who’s coming out on top.
not… whatever this is. this is just taking a boring sport and making it worse.
If LBJ goes to the Heat, he will become one of the most hated players in the league, not that he cares and if I were him I wouldn’t care either as long as I win a championship and make my money.
LBJ to the Cavs would bring the most positive support as he is loyal and such.
LBJ to the Knicks would bring some negative attention because everybody is jealous of NYC and it would look like he’s just going for the exposure for the time being as the Knicks still have a ways to go. But if he wins in NYC, he will become a living legend here and that will be more than enough to conquer those initial feelings. He would be the biggest star in sports. worldwide.
There have been lots of reports that Melo is close to signing an extension but I think you’re right, he’d love playing in New York. I think that’s a fairly likely scenario but I have nothing to back it up…
I’m almost positive you only get the MLE if you are over the cap before the offseason starts.
I voted countless times for Swish…..Let’s hope it all paid off!
By the way, did anyone read Gammons’ first half of the season recap on mlb.com? About 2/3s of it is about the gritty, gutty, Boston Red Sox.
Interesting thing to factor in is the new CBA next year which will be assumed to lower player salaries. Join the Heat for the vet’s min, or make your money now while you still can?
If LeBron does not come to the Knicks tonight.
“The Warriors and Knicks have agreed in principle to a sign-and-trade deal that would send power forward David Lee to Golden State for Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf and Kelenna Azubuike, multiple sources confirmed on Thursday. “
Tyler,
That’s my problem with the Knicks. They brought in Walsh and D’antoni to prove to the rest of the league they weren’t poorly run and had turned a corner and it didn’t work. The damage, Isiah, the Dolans and Marbury did to the brand still hasn’t recovered.
After whiffing on Lebron, you think the Dolan’s are going to be understanding and give those the coach and GM more time to make things click?
If they Knicks don’t show a major improvement next season, they’ll fire the coach and the GM and the merry go round will start again.
I have no faith in that franchise because of who owns it.
“The guy hasn’t been the same for the past 4 years.”
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Tyler,
I actually think the Jermaine ONeal deal is a very good one for the C’s.
They do need to replace Rasheed and ONeal put up very good role player #s for the Heat.
In 28 minutes, 14pts, 7reb, 1.4 blocks, 53% from the floor.
That is the kind of player any team needs as long as they aren’t expecting starter minutes or all-star production.
It’s a very good move for the Celtics for sure.
JM – hah, i read that yesterday, what a joke of an article that is. Apparently every other team in the AL is controlling the playoff race, except the yankees.
gammons is only good for comedic value at this point, anyone taking him seriously should just shoot themselves.
Patrick July 8th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
There have been lots of reports that Melo is close to signing an extension but I think you’re right, he’d love playing in New York. I think that’s a fairly likely scenario but I have nothing to back it up…
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Yeah, you probably know alot more than me haha. Not being in NYC right now and living in St. Louis where there is no NBA team kind of lowers my interest a bit. But this free agency period has really intruigued me so I’m trying to learn on the fly lol. Now hockey I know lol. Go Blues.
Huh, why would David Lee want to sign with the Warriors?
patrick – why is it a huge draw? because lebron chose to make it so?
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Uhh basically because the 3 best players in the league would be playing in the Championship. Not to mention Gasol and Bosh who are probably in the top 10.
Hey whatever though, if you aren’t interested fine by me. Tons of people will be.
tyler – rough time for you guys then, losing nabokov to the russians. back to the bottom?
Boston Dave-
Didn’t realize Jermaine was 14-7 last year. I thought he had been hurt the entire year. That does look like a solid signing to go along the Big 4 (I hate the Celtics but Rondo is turning into my favorite player haha). I would take him over ‘Sheed for sure…
“Uhh basically because the 3 best players in the league would be playing in the Championship. Not to mention Gasol and Bosh who are probably in the top 10. ”
Of course, Patrick, the Bulls or the Celtics still might beat them in the semis.
Irreverent Discourse July 8th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
tyler – rough time for you guys then, losing nabokov to the russians. back to the bottom?
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Nabakov was a Shark. The Blues traded for Halak from the Canadiens this offseason. He is the best young Blues goalie maybe in franchise history and at least since Curtis Joseph in the early ’90s. The Blues have had the top prospect pool in hockey the past 3 years. They surprisingly made the playoffs 2 years ago with a miracle run and missed out last year. The future is bright for the Blues definitely even if they were frustrating last year. Alot depends on the young guys developing. I think in 3 years the Blues will win the Cup. The only problem is Chicago is loaded still also and pretty young…
I’m almost positive you only get the MLE if you are over the cap before the offseason starts.
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Yeah I think so too..
Good sign:
RiverAveBlues We’re hearing rumors that @NickSwisher has won the vote for the last AL All Star spot. Official MLB announcement comes at 6 p. #SendSwish
My favorite part of the Gammons article is the warning to the rest of the league that after August 15th (the date he assumes his team will be totally healthy for some reason), the Red Sox will be a juggernaut night after night watching their starting pitchers hand off leads to Bard and Papelbum.
If Bard and Papelbum have to pitch every game from the 15th-31st, they’ll be on the DL by Labor Day.
Great analysis there Pete.
Of course, Patrick, the Bulls or the Celtics still might beat them in the semis.
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Well, certainly. I doubt it but sure it could happen.
GTLU
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
TexMex 1B
ARod 3B
Cano 2B
Jorge C
Grandy CF
Thames DH
Gardy LF
Pettite 11-2 nuff said…
Y’all are losers giving over a Yankee blog to an attention-craving egomaniac like LePuke Lames. It was Swisher’s day but you morons ruined it. Hate you all.
My sister-in-law can confirm first hand that The Lebron Show will take place from Greenwich, CT. tonight.
Her trip to Shoes’n'More was sidetracked by the traffic jam the media and security is causing in downtown and she’s now rooting against Lebron wherever he ends up.
# Irreverent Discourse July 8th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
JM – hah, i read that yesterday, what a joke of an article that is. Apparently every other team in the AL is controlling the playoff race, except the yankees.
gammons is only good for comedic value at this point, anyone taking him seriously should just shoot themselves.
It’s sad, really. Just go right for NESPN Boston or whatever it’s called and admit you have no credibility. A shame because he used to be pretty good.
The Knicks should have drafted Stephenson and signed Telfair. If you’re going to be bad at least make it be funny.
patrick – basketball has to do a lot more than put all its best players on 2 teams to entertain me.
are they trying to hook us for 7 games a season, or the whole season?
Oops, just go “write” for…..I have spent so much time voting for Swish I’ve forgotten how to right, I mean, WRITE.
sbarro – since you are too pansy to post under your regular name… we don’t care what you think.
we did lots of work for swisher today, did you?
As far as I can tell, Miami shouldn’t have the MLE available, as they start the offseason under the cap.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q20
Erin-
Swish better have won lol. My fingers better not be numb for now reason. I went to sleep dreaming about those verification codes. It was terrible. So many numbers…
Looking at the injury report on the Red Sox at MLB it seems reasonable to think the Sox should be back at full strength by mid-August or so (barring further injuries). I don’t think Gammons is being out of line there.
Of course, I’m hoping they are done and over by mid-August so it won’t matter anyway.
“According to For Sports Network on 1030 AM, Shore Sports confirmed that the Yanks signed Garrett Atkins to a minor league contract”
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That’s not a bad signing. Atkins is a career .285/.350/.800 hitter and is only 30 yrs old.
Obviously last year (Rockies) and this season have gone wrong for him, but what player hasn’t been discouraged while playing with the horrible O’s?
Compared to what the Yanks have at AAA, its an improvement.
Perhaps his swing can be straigtened out by Wynegar/K.Long. If so, they would have a valuable bench player. Russo is clearly not ready for Prime time.
The Mariners requested at least three prospects from the Yankees, including Montero, according to a person with knowledge of the situation. But while the Yankees are dealing from strength (they have two more good catching prospects in Austin Romine and Gary Sanchez), they do not have have a major need in their rotation and are unlikely to overpay under the circumstances.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....z0t7sYwFqD
“Of course, Patrick, the Bulls or the Celtics still might beat them in the semis.”
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I can’t see the word “semis” without thinking of Jesus from the Big Lebowski.
“I see you roll your way into the semis. Dios Mio Man. Liam and me… are gonna Eff you up”
classic.
@ pat
But the Yanks could use him to their advantage.
basketball has to do a lot more than put all its best players on 2 teams to entertain me.
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That is the smartest thing I’ve read on here all day.
pat July 8th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
My sister-in-law can confirm first hand that The Lebron Show will take place from Greenwich, CT. tonight.
Her trip to Shoes’n’More was sidetracked by the traffic jam the media and security is causing in downtown and she’s now rooting against Lebron wherever he ends up.
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That is hilarious. I can’t believe he’s going so close to NYC and then turning them down for Miami.
Wave Your Hat,
though true, perhaps an article covering all 32 teams should have spent a little more time on teams like the Reds, Padres, Rangers, etc.
Gammons finds a way to get in his Red Sox lovin everywehre he goes. That’s all.
If Atkins signed with the Sox everybody here would be freaking out about him hitting with the monster and putting up big numbers. He’s had a terrible 2 years and probably was at least partially a product of Coors and Holliday hitting behind him. But it is a low risk signing. It wont make or break anything Cash does at the deadline.
* 30 teams
(and when are they gonna move a team from the NL to the AL to even it up??)
I hope all this trade for Lee talk is to boost the cost for another team.
Lee is going to hit FA, especially since he knows the Yankees are interested.
If we were down a starter, then I’d say “yeah, go all in”. But pitching isn’t our problem, and it’s going to take more than Cliff Lee to beat us.
Hi Irreverent Moron,
Yeah, I’ll post on a blog with my real name when you and all the others do.
And yes, voted hundreds of times for Swish over the past few days.
“But it is a low risk signing.”
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I’d be fine if Atkins signed with the Sox.
I think he’s washed up.
But like you said, low risk move. If it adds any depth whatsoever, it’s a good move.
The Mariners are going to overplay their hand, wait too long to pull the trigger, and get an unimpressive package for Lee.
Tyler July 8th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Erin-
Swish better have won lol. My fingers better not be numb for now reason. I went to sleep dreaming about those verification codes. It was terrible. So many numbers?
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LOL
I agree-he better have won!
“it’s going to take more than Cliff Lee to beat us.”
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Of course it is. But Cliff Lee could shift the balance of power tremendously.
He’s shown he can beat the Yanks and everybody else.
I don’t think any contending team that trades for Lee will be disappointed in what they’re getting, even if that means 2 top prospects.
No matter how the Heat finesse their roster, aren’t they going to have a thin bench with 3 max guys? Somebody that understands NBA cap math please help.
BD,
I realize that. Just saying (said) that 1)there’s no place to put him 2)giving up Romine or Montero’s too much when Lee will almost surely be available in 5 months.
sbarro – you come on here, complain what we are talking about, yet don’t post here regularly? at least not under this “sbarro” alias…
thats what i meant by your “real name” you tool, no one cares who you actually are.
It’s amazing that just three years ago Lee was kept off the Indian’s post season roster.
LGY – incorrect. the mariners are going to hold out for an A+ package, or squat on Lee and get the draft picks for him.
they are not in a position where they HAVE to trade him away, especially if they aren’t going to get better than a 1st round/supplemental pick for him.
wave-
if im not mistaken i think that if you are the heat you hope that people will take less money to come play for you as you obviously have a fantastic shot at getting a ring. maybe get a couple good veteran role players who havent’ won before or want one more shot at it before retiring. the allure of the big 3 will hopefully draw those guys. but yes you wont be able to afford another high price starter unless they really work things out…
LGY,
You’re probably right…it seems teams do this cat and mouse every year, wait too long and end up getting less than they could have.
The Atkins signing is pretty good I think. He was a pretty good player not that long ago and with a minor league deal it seems the potential reward far outweighs the risk.
Wave Your Hat July 8th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Looking at the injury report on the Red Sox at MLB it seems reasonable to think the Sox should be back at full strength by mid-August or so (barring further injuries). I don’t think Gammons is being out of line there.
Of course, I’m hoping they are done and over by mid-August so it won’t matter anyway.
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At the current pace the Red Sox will be lucky to maintain a .500 winning %, and by mid-August, they’ll be 8-10 games behind the Yankees and Rays. The Yankees have always been a strong second half team, and if Boston continues to flounder as they’ve been, it’s all over.
BD – 2 top prospects is a lot to pay for 3 months of service, with zero chance of entension.
WYH,
The capologist was on TV. Said that Wade and Bosh will get theirs. They either have to move Beasley or LeBron would take a cut. Or get this, Wade and Bosh both hinted they would take less for the cause. This is only the first year of course because Beasley’s only got 1 yr/$5M left. Wondering how come they can’t just buy out Beasley, like the Knicks did with Starberry. Ouch, sorry about that Knicks fans.
Gammons finds a way to get in his Red Sox lovin everywehre he goes. That’s all.
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“I always get love from my homies.” Smiley from Training Day
Also, Legler said that once you get the Big 3 on board, they hit the recruiting trail to have vets play for the vet minimum. Maybe they hit up Payton and Malone?
“2)giving up Romine or Montero’s too much when Lee will almost surely be available in 5 months.”
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perhaps.
If losing Romine means your chances of a WS victory go up from say 20% to 45%, is that worth it?
I’m not advocating either position, but I do believe Cliff Lee and the way he’s pitching is a rare scenario where it really is worth it to trade some top prospects.
I realize it’s 4-5 months (playoffs included) but again, how much should it cost to increase your chances to win a title?
no right answer… but it’s an interesting thought.
The Mariners are going to trade him…they already have had an offer better than taking the draft picks from the Twins.
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Buying out Beasley would still count against the cap. That’s why they’ve been trying to dump him on some other team for nothing.
It’s kind of funny.
if Cliff Lee weren’t around, everybody would be talking about Roy Oswalt.
He is having an amazing season (continued with a masterpiece today)
blake – i don’t know about that, ramos is a good catching prospect… but hicks is way below what i would consider good enough.
BD,
You and I have very similar takes on this Cliff Lee thing. It boils down to how much you think Lee improves your chances this season.
How many blog posts/views can be attributed to LeBron today?
…,
Thanks.
It’s too bad Oswalt’s team is awful. He’s 5-10 right now.
blake – just so you know i’m not crazy, hicks is in single A batting .264/ .375/.408 and gets caught stealing 1/3 of his attempts (8 last year and 9 already this year). for a “power” prospect this does not light up my eyes.
blake,
i do agree.
and I don’t disagree with anybody who disagrees
I do know that I’d rather not face a team that already has an “ace” that adds Cliff Lee to the rotation.
I like the Yanks chances against anybody, but there is obviously tremendous value in adding Lee to your team. He made the Yanks look silly last season and so far this season.
As much as I love Romine, I don’t really want to see the guy in the playoffs if he’s not in pinstripes.
If they can keep Romine and still avoid Lee, that’s ideal
I think he leads the league in losses.
nvm he’s 6-10 after that shutout he just threw. one hitter. impressive.
GUARANTEE KNICKS LOST OUT ON LEBRON
His 25 rooms booked in a Miami hotel for tonight I’m sure is a coincidence, but from rotoworld.com…
Isiah Thomas visited LeBron James on Wednesday night to make one final pitch for him to join the Knicks.
As Frank Isola said on Twitter: “The Heat sent Pat Riley while the Knicks sent a guy that doesn’t even work for the organziation.” Considering that everything Isiah has touched since his playing days ended has turned to mush, this was a very interesting choice for Jim Dolan to make. It also creates some thought that Isiah may end up playing a prominent role for the Knicks again. Either way, Isiah’s name is now going to be associated with LeBron’s decision as it relates to the Knicks, win or lose. Jul. 8 – 5:07 pm et
Ramos and Hicks are both good prospects and both good bets to play in the big leagues. Can’t see the M’s passing on that in order to take draft picks that would be years away from the majors if the make it at all.. I think he gets traded and probably soon.
Oswalt would be 12-3 on any playoff contender right now.
He’s really having a tremendous season thus far.
I give him a ton of credit for pitching this well despite losing so often.
yeah pretty much. he’s only had 3 games where he’s pitched crappy. Everything else has been at least a quality start.
I will hold fast to the idea that you don’t give up prospects if you can get the get in the off-season. I don’t think it would be wise to give up Montero or Romine at this juncture (at some point, probably, but I don’t think now is the time). I think the Yankees will beat Cliff Lee this weekend (if he is not traded) and I think people will relax after they do so.
The Yankees beat the Phillies last year and Lee pitched 2 games, right?
Again, my theory of choice is: on any given day, yadda, yadda, yadda…
blake – they are 1 or 2 less years away than their draft would be. they have repeatedly told other teams that they want a major league ready bat and a pitching prospect, neither of which the twins guys qualify for.
re: the Sox
I never heard Gammons mention that the Sox had played 46 home games to just 36 on the road prior to the Rays series.
That is quite a disparity this late in the season.
If the Sox do, however, overcome these injuries and stay close with the Yanks and Rays, you gotta give them some credit.
But that’s a ways away….
LostInGreenwhichLeBronIs will give the final scoop.
Who books 24 hotel rooms for a signing announcement?
Someone who wants to get crunk. That’s who.
“The Yankees beat the Phillies last year and Lee pitched 2 games, right?”
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The point isn’t that the Yankees can’t win without Lee or against Lee.
It’s all about improving your chances to win.
How much he improves your chances is the question.
I just don’t like hearing that “we did it before so we can assume we’ll do it again”
George Brett used to say something to the effect of “Whenever I’m not trying to improve myself, I know someone else is.”
there is a cost/benefit to every move. Figuring out that equation is the million dollar question.
If Lee means WS win, Romine can play for the Red Sox for all I care.
Hey, Chad- did you hang around long enough to vote repeatedly for swisher?
Wouldn’t be the first time an election was decided by a Hanging Chad, ya know.
I remember reading somewhere, recently, that the Yanks got an extra $72M in revenue in 2009 from the playoffs. That’s a lot of money.
So, I think that BD is on to something, in that if Cliff Lee improves your chances of winning, and getting that $72M, then he is absolutely worth it to the Yankees.
That’s the bottom line. Improving your chances to get to that big payoff. If he does that, then he’s worth the incremental amount of salary and the prospects you deal.
Cliff Lee will definitely help the Yankees in October. The only question is the price that is required. And Cash will drag it out as long as he feels he needs to in order to minimize the price.
I’d,
They are closer to that than draft pickw would be and that’s probably not the best offer they will receive.
Which is the more highly anticipated announcement?
Finding out if we did indeed “Send Swish” ?
or the one with the basketball guy?
I say it’s Swish.
At the current pace the Red Sox will be lucky to maintain a .500 winning %, and by mid-August, they’ll be 8-10 games behind the Yankees and Rays. The Yankees have always been a strong second half team, and if Boston continues to flounder as they’ve been, it’s all over.
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That’s correct Big Al. Boston has no trading chips to use other than Papelbon which leaves an already overworked Daniel Bard as the closer. As Epstein said months ago, this is a bridge year. This is as close to 1st place as they’ll get this year.
The Rays have farm system talent …… Boston doesn’t unless Gammons is to be believed.
Joe from LI,
I certainly can’t argue against those who don’t want to give up prospects for Lee.
I just think you can’t overlook the potential value that adding Lee could and should bring for the team who gets him.
Whether or not he signs with the Yanks in 2011 doesn’t change the fact that a World Series in 2010 is up for grabs.
If $72M is accurate and Cliff Lee does increase their chances by a decent margin, it seems like a good deal to me.
Yankees didn’t trade for Halladay (not for lack of trying) and they didn’t land Santana (although they did have their hat in the ring.
I will be supremely peeved if they passed on Halladay for Lee.
If the Yankees are pretty sure Montero will be able to catch…at least for a few years then I would consider moving Romine for Lee because I think he increases the probability of winning this year enough to make it worthwhile.
That’s JMO, which isn’t worth a lot. I understand the other side of the argument and have no problem with it eithrrm
“I will be supremely peeved if they passed on Halladay for Lee.”
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they supposedly offered Montero for Halladay.
If true, I wouldn’t call that “passing” on him.
BD,
They could’ve tried harder!
m,
though Lee will almost certainly cost far more $$ than Halladay did to extend.
So for 2011 and beyond his cost should be 50-80% more in total $$.
m,
true… but i’d say Montero was a darn good offer!
I’m glad they didn’t get Halladay and obviously Santana.
But Lee, for some reason, intrigues me.
Of course, I like the Yanks the way they already are too.
What if Lebron shocks the world and surprises us with a Knicks choice.?
Anyone think this possible?
The issue of whether to trade for Cliff Lee or not comes down to whether the Yanks value short term over long term or visa versa. Short term, of course is making a trade in order to increase the chances of winning this year and long term is to hold onto prospects to maximize the chances that we get a top catcher to replace Jorge. If The Boss was still running things, I’d bet that they would go for the short term benefit. Hal and Cashman tend to value the long term choices. If I had to place a bet it would be that they don’t trade for Lee unless they can get a real bargain (which is most likely not going to happen.)
Per LA Times article
“An NBA team executive told the Sun Sentinel Thursday afternoon, “All of our contacts from CAA say he is coming to you guys.”
CAA is Creative Artists Agency, the firm that not only represents James, but also Heat guard Dwyane Wade and Toronto Raptors free-agent power forward Chris Bosh, who on Wednesday agreed to sign with the Heat.”
Article link:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/.....5858.story
BD,
Didn’t give much thought to Santana. But Halladay’s the one I wanted. Lee I could live with or without. But obviously, I’ll root for him if (when) he’s a Yankee.
I am glad, though, that Atlanta’s winning the division so far. Wouldn’t want the Phillies to be rewarded for stealing Doc.
Let him buy a championship.
Not a given, btw.
shortcuts never work.
who will rebound for Miami?
big mistake.
They have three young catchers who are ML ready or soon to be – Cisco, Montero, and Romine.
Cisco has proven that he can play at the major league level. Montero has a bat that has everyone drooling. Romine, while everyone agrees has a lot of potential (there’s that word, again…) is a AA catcher at the moment. Maybe he is two years away.
The Yankees can get an awful lot of money in two years…That’s a lot of October baseball.
If Romine is the lead player/asset going from the Yankees in that proposed swap, I think I do it. Even if Romine has a good ML career, and I hope he does, that brings an awful lot back to NY. Cliff Lee, a lefthanded stud in Yankee Stadium. That’s pretty tempting.
There’s still an awful lot of moving pieces that Cash has to deal with, so a lot can still happen. But a deal like that definitely gets your attention.
It’s July 7th, and Tampa is two game out. It’s a long season. Anything can still happen. And $72M is an awful lot of money, waiting in October….
“mick says:
July 8, 2010 at 5:40 pm
What if Lebron shocks the world and surprises us with a Knicks choice.?
Anyone think this possible?”
incarcerated bob
With Jorge’s uncertain health and age, Montero, Romine, Sanchez and even Cervelli to a certain extent are untouchables at this point unless we desperately need a hole filled.
We don’t.
It’d be nice to have an impact bat like Willingham or DeJesus and an elite reliever like Soria or Marmol, but if other teams totally disregard all prospects outside of our catchers, and there are plenty of excellent ones throughout our minor league system, I’d rather Cashman not do business with those GM’s.
Our farm system deserves more respect. This could take some time.
In the meantime, we’ll have to settle for Cody Ross types and internal solutions for the bullpen it seems.
hahahaha
he will ruin his brand.
Looking forward to see if we helped Swish.
Looking forward to LBJ’s decision because I am sick of this charade.
I don’t think Cliff Lee is coming to the Yankees via trade but it does concern me that Tampa is apparently in the mix to pick him up as a half-year rental. Lee and Price together in that rotation would make them pretty tough.
Blasphemous to be sure, but I’d send Cervelli to Seattle…
The word is that Youkilis won the fan voting.
Sorry.
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“Blasphemous to be sure, but I’d send Cervelli to Seattle…”
Who becomes your bu catcher ? Moeller ?
It was posted earlier- Swap Javy for Weth.
Trade Romine, plus for Lee. Depending on what the plus is I kind of like it.
blake – FWIW… heyman was just on the mlb channel saying that the mariners don’t want ramos because he is injury prone. thats the first i’ve heard that about him though.
The Knicks are going to be fine under Donnie Walsh – Lebron doesn’t want to come here? Fine……I hope he and the Heat fail miserably. Since it’s probably true that the Heat want to be hated, I’m not going to waste my time. This is not the end of the world for the Knicks because one man didn’t want to come………..
“Our farm system deserves more respect. This could take some time.”
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I think it’s gotten respect.
Maybe not from the media, but a guy like Damon Oppenheimer is suddenly in demand (AZ covets him to be their GM, supposedly).
The success of AJax, IPK, and how highly touted Arodys has been are helping.
The GMs around baseball aren’t all dumb. They may try to fleece the Yanks (and fail) but I think they realize there are some quality players in their system.
We talk about Lee, but the bullpen is the real issue and a utility player. I wonder why the yanks don’t trade Miranda and a few rule 5 players that they will not have room for next year.
miranda has to have some value and the Yanks have no room for him. He is out of options next year. Then you could get Montero some first base experience.
JM – last i heard the mariners were asking for bj upton ( i don’t see how) or wade davis… that a tough pill to swallow
Heyman has reported on MLBTR that if the Rangers would part with Smoak and Salty lee would be theirs.
Mlb network announcing the winner at 6
Hate the Heat
I think that the only way that the equation shifts toward a trade for Lee being a good long term move would be if Lee agreed to a contract extension, bypassing free agency. This would eliminate the risk of him being overwhelmed by another team’s offer when he is a free agent. In that situation, they might do it to get the benefit of having Lee locked in for a few years.
Whomever Cliff Lee chooses. Don’t know if he can pitch to Posada.
Why is the NBA OK with players getting together in 2006, and planning how their contracts should be written, so they can join forces to create a team top heavy in talent. If owner’s tried this, there would be hell to pay. The owner’s pay big money to buy a team, and have all the financial risks, but, it’s the players that get all the rewards, without any of the risks. What would the NBA say if the Knicks had talked to these players, and had agreements in place when they became FA, so they could get 3 or 4 top FA and build a championship team, they’d be killed! If it’s not allowed one way, it should be not allowed the other. The players now run the league, not the owner’s, nor that idiot Stern.
betsy – every move the knicks have made for the last 3 seasons has been to clear cap space for right now. if stoudemire is all they end up with it’s a huge organizational failure on their part.
# MTU (aka GBURL) July 8th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Heyman has reported on MLBTR that if the Rangers would part with Smoak and Salty lee would be theirs.
That’s obvious.
Tyler, the Knicks are going to be fine. As Walsh said today, the last two years have been about clearing cap room……….Now they can focus on improving the talent. Everyone knows that Parker and Carmelo want to play in NY – if the latter doesn’t sign an extension, he’ll be here next year. Supposedly the players the Knicks would be getting in the Lee sign and trade are pretty good, esp. Randolph. I trust Donnie Walsh………
I think this whole LeBron hysteria is a stupid circus.
Really. I know he’s good, but last time I saw him, he folded like a lawn chair in the playoffs and now he has the balls to turn his free agent signing into this media hysteria? Honestly, I had respect for the guy, but now, I hope he goes to Miami and self destructs.
“The word is that Youkilis won the fan voting.
Sorry.”
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The word you have isn’t the one that counts.
the one at 6pm does.
the mariners definition of “major league ready prospect” seems to be a lot closer to “rookie that you’ve already called up and plays for your team”.
BD (Boston Dave) July 8th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
The GMs around baseball aren’t all dumb. They may try to fleece the Yanks (and fail) but I think they realize there are some quality players in their system.
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Well I hope we can add an impact bat and an elite reliever for some of those quality players. I’m sick of these other teams and media folks dropping the names of our catchers.
dont like wade and lebron together, not exactly frazier and monroe
ID, I don’t agree. They’ve done the best they could – they can’t force Lebron to sign here. They even made a last ditch attempt last night…….so, let the chips fall where they may. Some Knick fans may give up, but I won’t.
Jack Curry reporting that Swisher won
JackCurry1 Nick Swisher has won the last man All Star vote over Youkilis. it was closest vote ever
M
I can’t believe you wrote that! Next you will want to trade GGBG or Phil.
MTU
welcome back
I’d,
They don’t like him because they think they can get a better offer, not because they would rather just take the picks. My only argument was that they would trade him…I don’t know to who or for what.
http://twitter.com/JackCurryYES
betsy – even if its not lebron, it’s gotta be more than stoudemire. that’s what i was getting at.
Swish won!!!!!!!!
Cisco is a backup on the Yankees. Posada is a question mark going forward. Montero is not ready to catch at the ML level, though Romine may be. Montero maybe ready to hit at the ML level, Romine may not be. I think as strong as the Yankees are at catcher, it is too early to let one go.
I am not convinced that Lee is a difference maker for the Yankees this season. And I’m not convinced that he is the missing link for the teams the Yankees may be going head-to-head with in the playoffs.
He wasn’t a difference maker in last year’s WS. That’s all I got.
Irreverent Discourse July 8th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
JM – last i heard the mariners were asking for bj upton ( i don’t see how) or wade davis… that a tough pill to swallow
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Per the Rays announcers on last nights game, theRays did offer B.J. Upton, and were turned down. One for one, and the M’s said no. I don’t blame they, BJ is over rated. Another guy that has lots of potential, and has shown nothing more than that, plus he’s a head case like is brother.
Kate-
Thanks. Escaped the heat of the GZ for a few days only to return to all the heat on the blog.
Looks like the Yanks did well while I was away, and the Rays stomped on Boston.
Very pleasing to see the Sox 4.5 back.
How quickly things can change.
Drumroll please….
Watching Mlb Network for the announcement
Hi, Betsy – the end of the world for the Knicks came when the Dolans bought the team and hired Isiah lol
I don’t get wanting to trade prospects (good ones) for a guy who we can sign next off-season. Not only that, but it screws up your rotation. Putting Phil in the pen is just wrong – and Javy can’t go there. Get Lee just to say we got him? Just so he doesn’t go to another team? That’s not happening.
Francessa saying that LBJ diminishes his legacy by hitching his wagon to Wade. I disagree with that theory.
Did Chamberlain diminish his value hooking up with West? Oscar with Jabbar? Arod to the core 4?
Any free agent in our time either chooses to go to a place where they can win or where the biggest paycheck is.
He isn’t going for the money but to a place where he thinks he can win with 2 of his closest friends who happen to be 2 of the better players in the league. This is a unique situation.
Where should he go Mike to the knicks? If Carmello goes there with LBJ then that won’t be diminishing? Should he stay in Cleveland where he feels he can’t win?
It’s his time to choose. Let it go.
No one knows what’s in his mind. He’s still with his childhood sweetheart and has kids. He lives in Akron and maybe he has no desire to live in Chicago or NY. Maybe he hates the cold and wants to raise his kids on the beach. No one knows.
Let it go and let him go where he wants. Who cares.
Lets go Yankees
Swish wins.
We win
Boston Loses.
Yes………………
YEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS
YEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS
YOU CAN…PUT IT ON THE BOARD!!!!!!!!
YESSSSSS
YESSSSS
SWISH!!!
validation for our hours of voting!!
If true, this is the first time the sox have EVER lost a Final ASG Vote!!
well done Yank fans!
I am refreshing MLB.com no word yet.
WE SENT SWISH!!!!
good on votto, and congrats to swish…
Yay SWISH!!!!
Swisher won by ONE vote!
Wax that surfboard Swish your going
HAHA YOUKEY !!!. . Congrats Swish
We did it.. Congrats Swish!
CAN’T BEAT NYY in a voting contest
The MLB Network people are not impressed that Swisher won. They were just like, “I guess the commercial worked.” Grrr…
YESSSSSSSSSSS SWISH!!
“I don’t get wanting to trade prospects (good ones) for a guy who we can sign next off-season.”
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I don’t disagree… but you can’t ignore that there is still a 2010 season to play and a World Series taking place at the end of the summer.
If Cliff Lee makes the Yankees hands-down favorites vs mild favorites, how much is that worth?
Swisher wins….congrats to him!
Doreen 5:58 nailed it.
It’s too early to know which catcher to deal (Montero or Romine).
There are better ways to improve the roster.
Number one is getting an elite reliever.
Number two is getting an impact bat.
I must disagree with those that think Lee will not be a difference maker. If Lee goes to the Rangers or Twins, he could very well make the difference as to their winning or losing to the Yankees. The Rangers are playing good ball, as are the Twins, and both have good hitting teams. So, yes I strongly believe Lee could be the difference to our success if he lands in the AL on one of those teams.
upstate kate,
Contrary to popular belief, Cervelli is not one of my “kids”.
Can’t believe that the vote was the close, you guys were texting and typing like crazy! That means the mouth breathers of Red Sox Nation were doing the same!
teddy July 8th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
CAN’T BEAT NYY in a voting contest
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lol because the yanks have so many fans!
Joe, whatever it is, I give the Knicks credit for trying. They went to Isaiah because, as Steven A. Smith said (and he was right about Miami), Lebron and co. respect the guy. They look at him as the scrappy HOFer, not the problematic GM.
ID, I’m sure they will make other moves……..and I can be patient.I think Walsh knows what he’s doing.
We sent SWISH!!!!!
He won without one vote from me, good for him, lol
Swish!
big al, we get both of those teams in a short series assuming we finish 1 overall, so lee’s impact would be less.
what were the final vote totals?
I’m curious how many total votes were cast. I’m assuming there was a TON!
Joe, Cervelli is not an every day catcher..
votto doesn’t interview very well, but these idiots on the mlb panel asked some d u m b questions.
Yankees Universe wins! Bye Puke.
Is MLB taking a dig at Swish??
“Swisher had the all-time campaigning day in Final Vote history on Wednesday, par none. Using baseball’s most-followed Twitter account (1,220,890 followers) to his advantage, he sought out and got endorsements from New York mayor Michael Bloomberg, actress Jessica Alba and “The Apprentice” co-star Ivanka Trump (among others). Then that night he was a triple shy of the cycle in leading the Yankees to a 6-2 victory over the Athletics.
On Thursday morning, it was announced that he held a narrow lead in a “virtual tie” with Youkilis. It didn’t take Swisher long to tweet another kick in the rear to voters. He typed: “We’re in the final stretch. Can’t thank yall enough for your support. Let’s finish strong!” And naturally he used the #SENDSWISH hashtag so that as many fans as possible could find his tweet, along with a link to the ballot.
Swisher’s approach has been as opposite as could be from that of many other athletes, including most of the Final Ballot candidates. The Wall Street Journal even ran a story Wednesday morning on his enthusiasm of promoting himself publicly.”
Betsy – agreed about Donnie Walsh.
And, that was MY vote that got Swish in!
votto had 13.7 million votes, swisher had 9.8million
no word on the second place votes
wow. MLB Network gave no love, to Swish
lot of love to Votto. And none to Swish
BD, I wouldn’t do it – not at all, it’s just not worth it to me. I wouldn’t have traded Montero for Halladay and I wouldn’t trade Romine plus for Lee; I don’t think it makes sense and Cash won’t do it. Why didn’t he trade Hughes for Santana?
As I said, the rotation is 5 deep (sort of ) and it’s also simply not worth having to fit Lee in somehow by making a trade or putting a starter in the pen.
Congrats to Swish and hurray for us!!!! We sent Swish!!!!
BD – i wouldn’t call it a dig unless you look down on the way swisher went about his business. i dont sense any judgement in the mlb.com article, just what happened.
i think he’s a smart guy that knows how the modern world works, and played it to his advantage.
YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!!!!! He deserves it.
Woo-hoo!!
Congrats to Swisher
BD, I also think that’s the thinking that got the Yankees in trouble in the past. Being a favorite isn’t good enough?
New Post: Nick Swisher named to all-star team
Swish interview up next on mlb network. Votto take notes. So pumped that Swish is going that guy is so cool.
AH! Now there’s talk of LeBron staying……………………………………
I will shoot myself if its an hour special of him just agreeing to terms to go back……home.
Since when is self-promotion a bad thing in America??? Plus, you know with Swish it’s all in fun (though, of course he wanted to win!).