Live chat at 2:30 eastern
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 09, 2010 
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Sam and I are going to be chatting about the possible Cliff Lee trade at 2:30 eastern time. We’ll be here at the blog. No video, just a regular text chat. Stop by if you can.
Also, a few names are being tossed around as potential third prospects.
Sweeny Murti mentions Eduardo Nunez and Hector Noesi. Joel Sherman says the Mariners were interested in Zach McAllister last year.
UPDATE, 1:32 p.m.: The hits keep coming. Just confirmed that the Yankees have signed Chad Tracy to a minor league deal. He’ll basically serve as insurance in Triple-A. I believe it was the the Boston Globe that first reported the move.
ESPN Special: THE TRADE
Coming to you tonight at 9 PM!
Zach is too much to add as the 3rd piece.
The Yanks can play hardball with just Jesus and Adams. That is the best offer out there.
MTU (aka GBURL) July 9th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Sunny-
I just threw the Beckett-Hanley thing out there for a comparison.
No idea how the Sox look back at it now. Absolutely none.
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Bad comparison Beckett was younger and was locked up for a couple of years for a bargain price. The Soxs did not rent Beckett for 6 months and then dole out $100 million contract.
same goes for Nunez AND Noesi
Fran (the original) and OPPC member July 9th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Erin,
Thanks for all of the updates. And thanks for the kind GTLU words last night. It really is just luck. Busy working on my line-up for tonight
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Fran-you’re welcome!
I think it’s more than luck-you have a gift when it comes to GTLU.
BD (Boston Dave) July 9th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Zach is too much to add as the 3rd piece.
The Yanks can play hardball with just Jesus and Adams. That is the best offer out there.
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Yanks can play hardball with Montero and a bag of dirt.
Chad-
Since this news broke early this morning and you are on the West Coast…. did you find time to get any sleep last night?
This must be serious if LoHud is moving into <b<EMERGENCY LIVE CHAT MODE.
Is it time to give Montero a final hug?
I haven’t been following the threads.. I’m just reacting the last few blog postings.. Say they get Lee.. Who’s the odd man out? Our rotation is GREAT this season.
Do you think they would stick Hughes back into the pen since we need so much help there? Is that a possible scenario that they would do?
I love the 5 people yesterday that told me STRAIGHT OUT that the Yankees weren’t going to trade Jesus Montero for Cliff Lee. I think i even said that it would happen before he starts tonight.
Good Sources? or just smart thinking???
Now it’s off to the 2nd half of my prediction. Yankees are going to trade for JAYSON WERTH
you guys have not see the other ace up cash’s sleeve..
think: werth to nyy vasquez to philly
Sometime today, I have a feeling we’re going to learn that Jesus Montero is really 26.
I don’t like this deal, for a lot of reasons, the same way I was against trading Hughes for Santana.
I’m unlikely to change any minds, the way no one changed their minds back then either.
One thing seems not subject to debate, though.
If the Yanks make this deal, and they don’t win the World Series, this trade will have been horrible.
The Yanks have to win. Nothing less. No bad luck, no close call.
Win.
SI_JonHeyman #yankees infield prospect david adams may go with montero in cliff lee deal. but that is 1 issue still being discussed.
“Bad comparison Beckett was younger and was locked up for a couple of years for a bargain price.”
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Beckett ALSO had barely pitched a full season in the majors. He was a yearly injury risk and far less proven than Lee.
Beckett was putting up mid-3′s ERA in the NL. There were some question marks though scouts loved his “potential” and he obviously had the 2003 WS under his belt.
It goes both ways.
With Lee, at least you know what you’re getting…. a perennial Cy Young candidate until proven otherwise.
Mark-
I responded to you at the end of the previous thread.
MAKE THIS TRADE!
I love it, and I hope it happens!
GRRRRR
i think the yankees play hardball for 2 reasons.
first it lets them offer a little bit more to make the deal done now without interference or “one-upping” from other teams. this is the price, it is set and it is good until game time.
second…it makes the mariners and other teams think they may be able to string the yankees (who now look very serious about acquiring lee) back in to talks closer to the deadline. this either causes other teams to pay more, or keep lee in seattle.
when it ain’t broke, dont fix it.. the yanks are in first place and the startin pitching has 46 of those 54 wins…SP is not our problem…
I think the Mariners are asking for quite a lot.
The thing that makes me most nervous is the potential for Werth. I don’t see how any fan feels good about adding Lee and Werth to the best team in baseball. There has to be a point when your team is good enough.
Wave Your HAt,
if this trade improves the chances of winning by 20% (from say 25% to 45%) is that not worth it?
They have 200M invested in a “must win WS” season every year.
If you play poker, those are some heavy ‘pot odds’
I hope they don’t include Nunez in the deal. That seems like too much.
“The Yanks have to win. Nothing less. No bad luck, no close call.”
I believe that’s been the philosphy without a Lee trade for years now.
Any chance the Mariners are interested in Kei Igawa??
Nick in SF-
What are you “GRRRRRRR”ing at?
ed_price Cecil Fielder will make his #Yankees Old-Timers? Day debut on July 17. Maybe Yanks can trade for Prince the day before.
are u down wit lee?? yeah, u know me!
Shame Spencer July 9th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Any chance the Mariners are interested in Kei Igawa??
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Who will pitch all of the games in Scranton????
Javy Vazquez for Prince Fielder. LOL
WYH-
Regardless of a person’s POV on this potential trade one would have to believe that a rotation like the one that the Yankees might have with Lee in it might be one of the best rotations ever fielded by a team.
Perhaps, we should change the Yankees nickname to the “Bronx Pitchers” from the Bombers.
I always respect your intelligent and well thought out posts.
Only time will tell what the correct decision is.
MTU,
The Yankees are renting Lee to themselves, Lee was going to be a Yankee in 6 month with or without a trade.
once again Mike Francessa is thumbing his nose at his listening audience and only talking about LeBron.
chump.
How about this: If Montero turns out to be Steve Balboni and the Yankees lose the 2010 Pennant to the Cliff Lee-led Rays, will you still be posting how bad this deal was?
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Yes, because a bad trade is a bad trade no matter what happens in the future. Montero’s value now is far more than 3 months of Lee.
It should tell you something that I’ll stick to my guns and nobody else on the other side will.
Wave Your Hat, are you interested in a conditional wager?
On the condition that Lee is traded to the Yanks between right now and July 31, I wager $50 that he signs with the Yankees for next season and beyond. What say you?
Could the top offense in the league also steal the title of “Team Run Prevention” from the Sawx?
BD-
First, though Cliff Lee is really good, he doesn’t improve our chances anywhere near 20-25%. I don’t think the reincarnation of Babe Ruth could do that.
Second, if we don’t win, the improvement in our chances is meaningless next to the long term loss of a guy like Montero.
We are putting all our chips on red. Maybe it’s worth it. I don’t think so, as I think the Yanks will win anyway, especially with a smaller deal to improve our OF/DH and our bullpen, but maybe it is worth it.
But only if we win.
mark – you have no proof or knowledge that lee will sign with the yankees in the offseason. it’s not a valid argument against the trade. this is trade for lee now or MAYBE get him later. nothing else.
Charlie Kelly July 9th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
How about this: If Montero turns out to be Steve Balboni and the Yankees lose the 2010 Pennant to the Cliff Lee-led Rays, will you still be posting how bad this deal was?
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Rays would not of given up a player the quality of Montero for 3 months they are too smart for that. LOL
Just as there is no guarantee of Montero being a superstud, there is no guarantee that this move = a ring.
Nick in SF-
I think he’ll sign with the Yanks if he’s traded to us, or if he’s traded somewhere else, so why do I take that bet?
Ken_Rosenthal
Source says third piece in Lee trade looks likes Triple A RHP Zach McAllister, 22 yo, 7-5 with a 4.45 ERA in 17 starts at AAA.
Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
mark – you have no proof or knowledge that lee will sign with the yankees in the offseason. it’s not a valid argument against the trade. this is trade for lee now or MAYBE get him later. nothing else.
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Please name the last free agent the Yankees wanted and did not get?
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Lee bolted the Yankees in the offseason for the Rays anyway.
Such is the risk of this type of move.
The Yankees are pulling what the Redsox did to them in 2007. They put an offer on the table that could possibly get the deal done, if you get the player great, If you lose the player then who outbid you had to kill their system to do it.
“What are you “GRRRRRRR”ing at?”
I was GRRRRRRing at my own failure to BOLD in a previous post. Which I’m sure no one even notices amidst these monumental developments.
RJ, I don’t care if you think I’m whining or not; you don’t run this place, so quit trying to play Godfather.
If you think sticking Phil back in the pen for 1/2 a year is a good thing, bully for you. I refuse to continue this with you, so either ignore me or go on wasting your time scolding me.
Werth makes no sense- where would he play?
Mark-
You may think so but I am not so sure the Yankees felt that way.
Perhaps, they might have a little more insight than we do ?
The reasoning might be a lot more complex than either you or I could suspect.
This calculation could not have been easy.
I am not trying to ague with you.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and no one can predict the outcomes of this trade at this time. That is for the future.
Peace.
# vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Lee bolted the Yankees in the offseason for the Rays anyway.
Such is the risk of this type of move.
Would be hilarious if the Rays paid for him.
WYH,
I know, I was just throwing out a number based on your “they must be 100% to win” if they trade for Lee.
We both know that there are no guarantees.
So is there a theoretical % that makes a Lee trade worthwhile?
mark – you and i have no idea what free agents the yankees may have wanted, but not gotten. it’s irrelevant, and it’s also impossible to prove a negative.
Nick,
I want to punch Brian Cashman in the face, he’s made my list.
Yankees have no farm system lol
Multiple teams after Swisher, Marte, Nady, Granderson, Vazquez & Lee…… all end up going to Yankees for their prospects.
# Carl July 9th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
# vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Lee bolted the Yankees in the offseason for the Rays anyway.
Such is the risk of this type of move.
Would be hilarious if the Rays paid for him.
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That’s the point.
If he’s entitled to change his mind about not extending with another team, then he’s also entitled to bolt at season’s end, since he DID say he was gonna become a FA.
betsy – worth/swisher DH/RF. werth is a much better fielder.
Wave Your Hat, I don’t think you take the bet, but I thought I would try anyway, just in case.
But if Cliff Lee is just a rental, that means he might end up elsewhere, no?
the trade may be logical. But i don’t really like it.
bottomline: to me, being very competitive with a chance to win the world series while also keeping the elite prospects in the system to follow, is more excting and interesting than being a virtual lock and winning a WS.
(I hope that makes sense)
I’ve come to terms with the deal.
Yes, we did overpay. But you can book a WS title 2010 and if we re-sign Lee, we might be looking at another dynasty. I’d trade Montero for that assuming Romine can be a Kurt Suzuki type catcher for us and Gary Sanchez develops into Montero 2.0.
That said. Montero for Lee straight up isn’t a great baseball deal for us. Add in David Adams, and possibly Hector Noesi and it’s just a steal from Seattle’s standpoint.
I am praying it’s not Noesi. He has been great this season and each day is looking more and more like a real, legit prospect who can be a good ML pitcher.
JK,
isn’t it beautiful?
The media would have you think hte Yanks have the worst farm system in baseball.
The facts prove otherwise.
Carl July 9th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
# vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Lee bolted the Yankees in the offseason for the Rays anyway.
Such is the risk of this type of move.
Would be hilarious if the Rays paid for him.
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Rays pay him the Yankees would offer to pay him more. People the Yankees print money, if the Yankees want a free agent they get a free agent.
Betsy where did I say I want Hughes in the pen for the last half of the year? If you go back to the last thread, I stated that I like the idea of Hughes in the rotation the rest of the year and in the pen for the playoffs.
I’m not Godfather-ing you. You can post all you like, you just irritate the crap out of me with your incessant whining, and I’m letting you know. And as I’ve said before, I’m sure you don’t have warm & fuzzy feelings for me. Guess what? I can live with that.
Hi Everyone!!!!
I decided to end my blog-cation due to the exciting news and having no self control to stop myself.
To the people that asked about me while I was gone – thanks
MTU-
I agree with you that it will be a very exciting rotation.
When I was (much) younger I had the privilege of watching some great Orioles rotations back in the early 70′s. This rotation will be as good if not better, so it will be a lot of fun to watch.
# Erica in NY July 9th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Hi Everyone!!!!
I decided to end my blog-cation due to the exciting news and having no self control to stop myself.
To the people that asked about me while I was gone – thanks
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Welcome back! How’s the muppets
Charlie Kelly, do you want to punch Buster Posey in the face after he helped the Gigantes sweep the Brewers in a 4-game series in Milwaukee this week?
Why would Lee bolt after the season? More money? Nope – the Yanks will offer him the “max” contract. Better chances to win the World Series? Nope – we’re the defending champs. So unless Lee’s mom is coaching the Rays in 2011, I see him still in Yankee pinstripes.
Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
mark – you and i have no idea what free agents the yankees may have wanted, but not gotten. it’s irrelevant, and it’s also impossible to prove a negative.
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The Yankees want a free agent they get a free agent, history has shown us that.
So what do you think abt the trade Erica?
Charlie Kelly July 9th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Nick,
I want to punch Brian Cashman in the face, he?s made my list.
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Just remember the good times with Brian Cashman. Like when we got Nick Swisher for Wilson Betemit.
However, if you want to punch Brian Cashman for the fact that Johnny Damon just got his 2,500th hit while being a Detroit Tiger…. I will not stop you
Charlie Kelly, do you want to punch Buster Posey in the face after he helped the Gigantes sweep the Brewers in a 4-game series in Milwaukee this week?
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I do
McCallister in the trade, is much better then Nunez. NY maintains infield depth
What is one thing the Yankees need to address but never can???
Not starting pitching, not outfield help, maybe sought out prospects could be spent elsewhere on ohhh say BULPEN?
FYI, Olney on 1050 in about 20 minutes.
What if – trading for Lee = another Yankee dynasty? 5 world series titles in the next 6 years. Is Montero worth that?
WYH-
We are all brothers in arms here.
I respect the intelligence and passion of all our Yankee family.
I am cool with this either way.
Montero may be great and Lee is great.
This is just so much fun and very, very exciting.
Personally, I am nothing but optimistic but hey, you know me.
Much rather it be McCallister than Nunez.
Lee’s family could by the Rays tomorrow and he will still be a yankee in 6 months.
Lee’s family could by the Rays tomorrow and he will still be a yankee in 6 months.
Nick-
I think of it as a rental in the sense that Montero/Adams+ only gets us the rest of 2010 and not any claim on his services from 2011 on. I agree he could go elsewhere in the off-season, but IMO it’s not likely.
Hi Erica, good to “see” you again!
This trade just keeps getting worse.
“However, if you want to punch Brian Cashman for the fact that Johnny Damon just got his 2,500th hit while being a Detroit Tiger….”
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as long as he doesn’t get his 3rd ring he can have all the hits he wants!
I’m giddy thinking about the Core 4 having a good shot at a 6th ring.
too bad Johnny isn’t here to help.
# sunny615 July 9th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Why would Lee bolt after the season? More money? Nope – the Yanks will offer him the “max” contract. Better chances to win the World Series? Nope – we’re the defending champs. So unless Lee’s mom is coaching the Rays in 2011, I see him still in Yankee pinstripes.
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Same reasons he’ll sign here after the season. And the reason why we should just hang onto our prospects.
Montero & Adams out…
AAA
Phelps
Nova
Nunez
AA
Romine
Laird
Brackman
Noesi
A+
Joseph
Banuelos
Betances
Stoneburner
Warren
^^^^ Upper levels still in decent shape.
This move comes down to how much you trust the talent evaluators on the Yankees. If you trust them, you’ll be ok with it. Period.
Do you guys honestly believe you’re the only ones worried about ‘paying twice’ for a player?? Like this hasn’t been discussed by the front office? The Yankees have reasons to make the moves they make, most of which we are not entitled to justification for. I trust Cash. If he makes the move, I like the move.
rj July 9th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
So what do you think abt the trade Erica?
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I like it however-
1) I think Vasquez was hitting his stride and I am sorry to see him go now after riding out the rocky start
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2) I do not want Hughes to wind up in the bullpen as a result of this trade (and the words “innings limit” make me want to pull out my very pretty hair)
3) I am skeptical of giving such a valued prospect for a 3- month rental, but believe the Yankees really think they can sign Lee otherwise they wouldn’t do this. And I am trying to remember he is only a prospect, weird things happen (Sorry Charlie
Those are my thoughts
# sunny615 July 9th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
What if – trading for Lee = another Yankee dynasty? 5 world series titles in the next 6 years. Is Montero worth that?
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I can torpedo the “what if” in that as much as everyone is torpedoing Montero as a full-time catcher and as an elite prospect.
sunny615 July 9th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
What if – trading for Lee = another Yankee dynasty? 5 world series titles in the next 6 years. Is Montero worth that?
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What if not trading for Lee means having another dynasty with both Lee and Montero? Is Montero worth that?
MTU is looking at this the right way, IMO.
The Yankees are either…. going to keep an elite prospect
OR
get one of the best few pitchers in the game this season and likely for many more
Is that a reason to be upset?
It’s good to be a Yankee fan!!
vinny-b July 9th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
McCallister in the trade, is much better then Nunez. NY maintains infield depth
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Yep, I think Nunez in the trade tips it over the top, especially considering that they were considering bringing him up this year.
Ok guys I gotta run. I’m going to go sacrifice a goat to my heathen gods so that they will stay Brian Cashman’s hand and stop this damn trade
addressing the bullpen is a wash at best. Bullpen arms are leftover crappy starting pitchers. Finding a “reliable” bullpen arm is like looking through the junk pile looking for a reliable car to take your pregnant wife to the hospital. Good luck. Outside of Mo, Wagner, and (younger) Hoffman, I can’t think of anyone that’s had a solid career as a reliever.
Erica,
Welcome back
More competition for us at GTLU.Go Pena!
BD (Boston Dave) July 9th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
MTU is looking at this the right way, IMO.
The Yankees are either…. going to keep an elite prospect
OR
get one of the best few pitchers in the game this season and likely for many more
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It’s not exclusively an OR. It could be an AND. And why not?
Erica – I agree with that except for the Vazquez part – especially considering that a Vaz trade means Hughes stays in the rotation for the rest of the regular season.
Speaking of rentals…have you ever had to rent a tuxedo?
What a freakin ripoff!
BD-
You captured my POV.
We we are on the same tropical island getting ready to bask in the Sun.
Pass the sunblock Dude.
Maybe we should value this trade as if Lee is going to re-sign with us.
I know that’s a risk but should he sign with us, it would be Montero/Adams/Someone for 5-7 years of Lee, not three months. That changes thing. It still disappoints me to give up Montero, but in five-seven years of Lee, Sanchez can emerge as Montero 2.0 and Romine could become a solid everyday catcher for us. If that happens, I actually would be content with the deal.
took the morning off from the blog/espn b/c i didn’t want to be lebroned to death and WOW, even bigger news. Reading thru lots of good points both ways. Lots to consider.
welcome back Erica
vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Welcome back! How?s the muppets
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They are good! My Aunt finished my crocheted Bert doll. He is awesome. He is hanging out in a plastic bag until I figure out what to do with him
Bronx-
No Sh*t !
It’s funny because everyone advocating the trade uses the exact same reasons that he WILL re-sign with us, as the people who are reluctant about the trade BECAUSE he WILL sign with us anyway.
upstate kate July 9th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
took the morning off from the blog/espn b/c i didn?t want to be lebroned to death and WOW, even bigger news. Reading thru lots of good points both ways. Lots to consider.
welcome back Erica
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Obviously my return is the biggest news of the day
I refused to be upstaged!!!!!
People hating this move because they dont want to give up Montero.
Okay, how many of you watch Montero play every day? How many of you watch Romine play every day? probably not many. If Cashman thinks he can afford to lose a prospect in montero for the best pitcher inbaseball, i’m going to trust cashman’s judgement. They obviously believe they’ll be fine without montero as they know exactly what he is all about.
He’s just starting to hit at AAA and isn’t that great of a defensive catcher. Seattle can have him, leave me Romine, and bring me Cliff Lee.
I’d hate to see Javy go because I like the guy, but you all seem to hate him too. So you should be thrilled about this.
Because trading for Lee now makes the 2010 title all that more realistic. Which rotation will the Yankees will have a better chance at winning short series’ with?
A) CC, Lee Pettitte, and AJ
or
B) CC, AJ, Pettitte, and Javy/Hughes?
Fran (the original) July 9th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Erica,
Welcome back
More competition for us at GTLU.Go Pena!
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I can honestly say I am not sure I would have gotten one line up in the last two weeks right even if I tried
# Erica in NY July 9th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Welcome back! How?s the muppets
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They are good! My Aunt finished my crocheted Bert doll. He is awesome. He is hanging out in a plastic bag until I figure out what to do with him
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Don’t let him suffocate! Breathe, Bert, breathe!
I saw a hilarious GIF of Bert and “ANGER RISING” as a caption. Forgot the link though lol.
Shame – agreed. I don’t understand why so many people honestly believe they know better than the yankees front office.
If McCallister is the 3rd player, then so be it … I know he was on the fast track after his terrific season at AA Trenton last year. But his AAA SWB numbers this year are less than stellar.
Now, he could certainly develop into something more than what he appears to be, that is the chance you take.
But what I see McCallister as is back-end starter, who pitches to contact, and doesnt have a true strikout pitch. If he is getting hit hard at AAA, how will he handle making the jump to the majors? Plus, he is right-handed so unless he develops into something like a Greg Maddux, his type of pitcher is a dime a dozen. If he were left handed, then he would have more value.
Ivan Nova and Hector Noesi have more promise because their strikeout ratios are higher, so as they develop more into power pitchers as they develop … I would rather have the Yankees hold on to those two.
Joelsherman1 Another subtle reason #Yankees want Lee: Same homestate (Ark) and agt as Burnett, and always looking for stabilizing forces with Burnett
# Erica in NY July 9th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
upstate kate July 9th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
took the morning off from the blog/espn b/c i didn?t want to be lebroned to death and WOW, even bigger news. Reading thru lots of good points both ways. Lots to consider.
welcome back Erica
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Obviously my return is the biggest news of the day
I refused to be upstaged!!!!!
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You didn’t handle this the right way.
You should have scheduled an ESPN Special!
“ESPN PRESENTS: THE RETURN” and have the muppets commentate.
Erica
of course you know I meant you returning was the biggest news
# Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Shame – agreed. I don’t understand why so many people honestly believe they know better than the yankees front office.
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I think that the concept of paying twice can be grasped by a humble baseball fan just about as well as a GM.
champ809 July 9th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
GB7
I agree would much rather have Montero and go to war with what I’ve got for #28 or if I determine that I need Lee then I’d prefer to trade Romine and personally wouldn’t have made Jesus avail…
Eduardo Nunez and Jesus would have been on my no trade list and anybody else from the names mentioned could be had.
Romine/Adams/Nova or McCallister or even Phelps and I’d move in a NY minute
We all know that if another team traded for Lee and went on to win the World Series, this blog would be calling for Cashman’s head on a platter.
This blog is the definition of “hindsight is always 20/20″
Ok one last point before I pray to Zeus to strike Cashman down.
With Lee wouldn’t the playoff rotation basically be: Sabathia, Lee, Pettitte, Sabathia, Lee, Pettitte, Sabathia? I mean isn’t Sabathia going to start 3 games regardless? Dunno…
# pat July 9th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Joelsherman1 Another subtle reason #Yankees want Lee: Same homestate (Ark) and agt as Burnett, and always looking for stabilizing forces with Burnett
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I sure hope the Yankees didn’t have “Be AJ’s Psychiatrist” as a reason for giving up 3 regarded prospects for a half-season of Cliff Lee.
sunny615 July 9th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Because trading for Lee now makes the 2010 title all that more realistic. Which rotation will the Yankees will have a better chance at winning short series’ with?
A) CC, Lee Pettitte, and AJ
or
B) CC, AJ, Pettitte, and Javy/Hughes?
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And it’s not only that, it’s having rotation B & possibly having to FACE Lee in the playoffs. That’s a big difference in our chances.
Charlie Kelly July 9th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Ok guys I gotta run. I’m going to go sacrifice a goat to my heathen gods so that they will stay Brian Cashman’s hand and stop this damn trade
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I’ll likewise take care of a chicken.
Charlie,
no
BD (Boston Dave) July 9th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
We all know that if another team traded for Lee and went on to win the World Series, this blog would be calling for Cashman’s head on a platter.
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We sign him in the offseason and that would stop the bleeding.
RE:
JK July 9th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Montero & Adams out…
AAA
Phelps
Nova
Nunez
AA
Romine
Laird
Brackman
Noesi
A+
Joseph
Banuelos
Betances
Stoneburner
Warren
^^^^ Upper levels still in decent shape.
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I agree Yanks have a good depth.
Another guy I’m a prospect hugger for is Melky Mesa OF at high A Tampa.
Has all the tools to be a good outfielder. Just needs couple of more years to hone his craft.
He’s improved a bunch already in cutting down SO’s and bringing up OBP.
# rj July 9th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
sunny615 July 9th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Because trading for Lee now makes the 2010 title all that more realistic. Which rotation will the Yankees will have a better chance at winning short series’ with?
A) CC, Lee Pettitte, and AJ
or
B) CC, AJ, Pettitte, and Javy/Hughes?
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And it’s not only that, it’s having rotation B & possibly having to FACE Lee in the playoffs. That’s a big difference in our chances.
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Please. The Yankees have beaten Cliff Lee before and can do so again.
vblade – yes, but you keep harping on it like you know they are making the wrong decision.
vblade – you’re correct, but the evaluating of talent, what we can spare, what we must keep isn’t something I trust the average fan with. They are professionals and have thought of all the consequences. If Cash thinks we can afford it, we can.
“So is there a theoretical % that makes a Lee trade worthwhile?”
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I haven’t sat down and really worked out with numbers how much more likely it is that we win a game with Lee pitching than with Hughes or Javy. (And even if I did, it would be just a guess anyway.)
The way I look at it, the Yanks had about a 35%-40% chance of winning the World Series anyway. (A sabermetrician would probably tell me that’s too high a guess, but my gut tells me a 35%-40% chance is about right.) I think we could have improved on that chance by a lesser deal for a RH OF/DH and another reliever, say getting Cody Ross and Leo Nunez from the Marlins for a smaller package.
We get Lee, now we have a 45-50% chance of winning (in the real world nothing is a lock short of Secretariat). So was he worth giving up Montero for? I guess it all depends on how you discount future year performance.
Now, if the Yanks only had a 10% chance of winning the WS, and Lee moved it to 20%, I might view it differently. Or, if the Yanks were the kind of team that only went to the post-season rarely I might view it differently.
Hey I want to be on the tropical island too!
You can keep the sunscreen as I’m an ardent fan of utilizing a “palapa” but if you can spare a cold one I’d be much obliged.
Hi, Erica! Welcome back
What an auspicious day to return, too.
Excitement!
Let’s hope AJ and Lee can handle their fishing poles with all those championship rings on their fingers.
Not easy to grab those Nascar steering wheels either.
Who would have thought Nascar and Daisy Mae would be the topics of conversation in a Yankees dugout ?
Well. Whatever works I guess.
# Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
vblade – yes, but you keep harping on it like you know they are making the wrong decision.
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Why pay twice when you can just pay once? I think its reasonable that to be convinced that it’s the wrong decision, same as other people that are convinced that its the right decision.
I think a CC, Lee, Pettitte and AJ would be the starters for the series… whether it be a 5 game or 7 game. The results of short starts for the starters were less than great. More rest, better pitching.
If they are going to give up Montero, Adams, McAllister, and another prospect – they had better get Brandon League as well in return.
Cliff Lee would only marginally make them better. But adding League as well makes them significantly better.
Not the biggest fan of this deal because I don’t like the idea of giving up Montero and the starting rotation isn’t exactly an area of need.
vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
You didn?t handle this the right way.
You should have scheduled an ESPN Special!
?ESPN PRESENTS: THE RETURN? and have the muppets commentate.
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ARGH! I am firing my PR Representative.
That would have been the best show ever!!!!
Erica
Welcome back.
I posted about Johnny’s walk off the other night and was sad you weren’t here to read about it.
Everyone sucks except SJ and CB and Doreen says:
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I really hope you are one of the people in your name or else you are a sad individual.
Also, I hope you’ve at least met all of them. For all we know one of them could be Bin Laden.
You can NEVER have enough pitching ! .
Dear charlie kelly,
Before you freak, we have a starter named burnett. It wouldn’t be a 3 man rotation in the playoffs.
With the Brewers willing to move Corey Hart, would the Yanks try moving Vazquez and a middle infielder like Luis Nunez for him? San Francisco seems reluctant to trade Jonathan Sanchez for him. Hart would be the perfect DH/4th outfielder for the two corners. The only hangup would be Vazquez refusal to accept the trade.
To make it clear – again – I love the thought of Cliff Lee in pinstripes and will root for him if he does come, in whatever manner.
Still, I haven’t seen a single convincing argument why the Yankees shouldn’t just be patient and wait till he hits FA. The rotation is doing very well as it stands, and the Yankees are the best team in baseball.
This team had more than enough rotation to win this year. We may have just traded away another Miguel Cabrera or Albert Pujols in order to get the back half of Cliff Lee’s career.
vblade July 9th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
# rj July 9th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
sunny615 July 9th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Because trading for Lee now makes the 2010 title all that more realistic. Which rotation will the Yankees will have a better chance at winning short series’ with?
A) CC, Lee Pettitte, and AJ
or
B) CC, AJ, Pettitte, and Javy/Hughes?
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And it’s not only that, it’s having rotation B & possibly having to FACE Lee in the playoffs. That’s a big difference in our chances.
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Please. The Yankees have beaten Cliff Lee before and can do so again.
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Yes, they have and I’m not saying they couldn’t again. The point I’m making is that it’s not just “what does our rotation look like this year with Lee vs. without Lee” – it’s that PLUS maybe having to face him vs say Minnesota or Tampa.
If McCallister is indeed traded I think Noesi moves up to AAA after the break to take his spot in the rotation….
Also the Yanks I’m sure feel that Zach McCal is expendable with Kontos now pitching again as the are similar pitchers but Kontos actually has much better stuff esp if his velo comes back!
As I’ve been saying the real proof of the state of the Yanks farm system is how other teams and scouting departments view their players and not the Laws’,Callis’ and Baseball America groups…
Our farm system is much much more loaded than say the RedSox farm even after these moves are made and that’s with having traded away AJax and IPk and Vizcaino last year….
Because paying now would mean a MUCH better chance at title #28.
Paying later might mean #28 comes in 2011 – or 2012 – or 2015?
Bronx-
For you, anytime bud.
And some choice chemicals too !
When you are riding the crest of the wave you just keep on surfing for as long as you can.
dig ?
This reminds me-
While AJ’s two-start revival since the return of Dave Eiland is probably a coincidence….
I nominate that AJ and Dave Eiland should hereby be literally joined at the hip, and never separated again
You should have scheduled an ESPN Special!
“ESPN PRESENTS: THE RETURN” and have the muppets commentate.
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LeBron resembled a muppet last night.
Actually muppets generally display a greater range of emotion.
“We are all brothers in arms here.
I respect the intelligence and passion of all our Yankee family.
I am cool with this either way.
Montero may be great and Lee is great.
This is just so much fun and very, very exciting.
Personally, I am nothing but optimistic but hey, you know me”
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MTU:
you know me, i like nuclear war as much as the next person. This development does shift the balance of power in the AL East.
that said, it is no different then what LeBron and the Miami Heat did this week.
both approaches are like hunting a a bear or deer, with semi-automatic weapons and a pack of dogs while sitting from a tree-stand. Yes, you will likely get a deer or bear. But you completely remove the element of ‘sport’ and/or challenge
for the record, i don’t hunt. The analogy stands, however
I love this deal. Like nike, just do it!
# Erica in NY July 9th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
You didn?t handle this the right way.
You should have scheduled an ESPN Special!
?ESPN PRESENTS: THE RETURN? and have the muppets commentate.
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ARGH! I am firing my PR Representative.
That would have been the best show ever!!!!
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You can have a grim-faced Snuffleupagus asking “So Erica, are you really back”?
And you could have said: “I have decided to take my posting talents back to LoHud.”
And the muppet audience would have clapped in unison.
What theater! lol
Argument against waiting, Lee has tried to get extensions from philly and apparently seattle. He may decide not to wait until october and sign with the team that would get him. This gives us extra time after the world series to sign him.
“We may have just traded away another Miguel Cabrera or Albert Pujols in order to get the back half of Cliff Lee’s career.”
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or they may have traded away Andy Marte, “a lock for 35+HR in the majors”
that’s the beauty of prospects, even top ones.
Just catching up on the Sherman posts……..putting Phil in the pen now is not an option. If that’s what the Yankees choose to do, it’s just asinine.
I had come around on the idea of signing Lee in the off-season (had been against it before). Now? It’s tough – if Montero becomes a stud, it will hurt a lot. Cliff Lee doesn’t guarantee a WS title – no player does – so what this does is just put us in better position. Is that worth trading Montero plus? I do not believe Cash would do this just to block the Rays or Twins from getting Lee – that would be a reactionary move and that’s not like Cash. If he really thinks Lee might not be available in the off-season, that he’d be amenable to signing an extension with the team that traded for him, then that makes sense why he’s doing this now. However, he’d better sign Lee……..
vblade – because its not as simple as “just paying once”. its waiting, possibly losing in the playoffs to the team that does acquire him, then possibly fighting that team for him in the FA market? if we are going to delve into the realm of uncertainty, you have to consider those options on top of your “perfect world” where he’s waiting for us in the offseason with open arms.
GB7
I’d rather have Werth than Hart….Werth is the better hitter and much better defensively.
Hell Werth maybe the best defensive OF’er on our roster if we get him….
Werth>Gardner>Grandy>Swish
Cliff Lee just announced he is signing with the Miami Heat.
pat July 9th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Erica
Welcome back.
I posted about Johnny?s walk off the other night and was sad you weren?t here to read about it.
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I know
Not posting that night was really hard, but I quietly celebrated Johnny’s accomplishments that night
Funny story, last weekend my dad was complaining to me that someone in his fantasy league was trying to get a great player from him for Johnny Damon in return. My dad goes “Johnny Damon is useless!”. (I disrespectfully hissed at my father)
Johnny Damon has had two homeruns (one walk-off) since my dad called him useless.
# sunny615 July 9th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Because paying now would mean a MUCH better chance at title #28.
Paying later might mean #28 comes in 2011 – or 2012 – or 2015?
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I’m pretty confident in this team as constructed winning without Cliff Lee, AND against him, if necessary.
I don’t see it as a negative to run with this current team for the rest of 2010.
# vblade July 9th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Please. The Yankees have beaten Cliff Lee before and can do so again.
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no they haven’t – the Yanks lost to Lee in the World Series. Twice. They beat the Phillies – not Lee.
“I mean isn’t Sabathia going to start 3 games regardless?”
You think it’s going to 7 games???? Pessimist.
Bronx Jeers July 9th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
LeBron resembled a muppet last night.
Actually muppets generally display a greater range of emotion.
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I always felt Kermit the Frog should have been Oscar nominated for the “Muppets Take Manhattan”
Montero and a bag of dirt! That all the Yankees should give Seattle.
Speaking of Werth did anyone see what he pulled last night?
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com.....89264.html
I’m finding it slightly amusing that about a week or so ago (or two of Burnetts starts ago), there was a lot of chatter here about how the Yankees’ rotation is not all that – Burnett is a headcase, Javy is only just back on truck and not yet fully trusted, and Phil Hughes is in melt-down mode (I exaggerate a bit for effect) and there aren’t enough pitchers for a short playoff series that can be depended upon. However, now that it is a possibility that Lee could be added to strengthen this shaky rotation, there is chatter that this rotation is indeed good enough without Lee and adding Lee is overkill and greedy and superfluous.
Just interesting. That’s all.
ID, I guess that makes sense. I would imagine Cash would have a plan for Javy if this deal goes through…but who knows? Didn’t one tweet say that Javy/Werth is less than 1-50? Not great odds.
# Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
vblade – because its not as simple as “just paying once”. its waiting, possibly losing in the playoffs to the team that does acquire him, then possibly fighting that team for him in the FA market? if we are going to delve into the realm of uncertainty, you have to consider those options on top of your “perfect world” where he’s waiting for us in the offseason with open arms.
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If he might not be waiting for us in the offseason with open arms, what makes you think he’ll welcome a Yankee extension with open arms as well?
“As I’ve been saying the real proof of the state of the Yanks farm system is how other teams and scouting departments view their players and not the Laws’,Callis’ and Baseball America groups…
Our farm system is much much more loaded than say the RedSox farm even after these moves are made and that’s with having traded away AJax and IPk and Vizcaino last year….”
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champ: what is funny, even reputable people like Mike A from River Ave Blues, overrate the RedSox farm system and underrate the NYY farm in the process. I don’t know if they are diliberately trying to avoid being labeled a homer or they actually believe it. I don’t get it. And your above point is well founded.
MTU,
Consider me there.
Really, it’s just another fun day to be a Yankee fan as you pointed out.
vblade July 9th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
You can have a grim-faced Snuffleupagus asking ?So Erica, are you really back??
And you could have said: ?I have decided to take my posting talents back to LoHud.?
And the muppet audience would have clapped in unison.
What theater! lol
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Obviously Guy Smiley would have given prizes to those who attended!
We’re gonna get Lee…..hopefully.
Vinny-
Nothing wrong with using a 50 cal if you can afford the ammo.
Peace be yours.
How is giving up two prospects for one of the most dominating pitchers in the game a bad deal?
There’s still 1/2 a season to go. The pitching may have been great so far, but you never know what happens in the second half.
Adding Lee protects against injuries or ineffectiveness and gives the Yanks a jugernaut of a rotation in the playoffs.
Some of you fall way to in love with prospects. The majority of them never pan out. If you turn a few of them into a proven stud, you don’t think twice about it.
When the Yanks need a catcher, they’ll get a catcher whether from within or without.
Stop worrying about Montero and start dreaming of a CC, Lee, Pettitte, Hughes, Burnett rotation in the playoffs.
Before you freak, we have a starter named burnett. It wouldn’t be a 3 man rotation in the playoffs.
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I know that’s why I’m asking about the playoff rotation. Do you really want Burnett starting 2 games when you could have Lee for 2 and Sabathia for 3?
I’m just curious how the playoff rotation would work with Lee. In fact, I have another question. Who would you rather move out of the rotation if Lee is acquired – Vazquez or Hughes? And once we get to the playoffs who goes into the pen – Vazquez/Hughes, Burnett or Pettitte?
Honestly if the Yanks trade for Lee I’d want to trade Vazquez. Then when we make the playoffs I’d go with a playoff rotation of Sabathia, Lee, Pettitte, Hughes and put Burnett in the pen. Then with those 4 guys who gets all the starts? You have to start Sabathia for 3 of them and Lee has to get 2 because he can’t go on 3 days rest. So does that leave Pettitte and Hughes with 1 each? And if Pettitte continues pitching like he has been shouldn’t he get 2 and Hughes none?
That would leave you with a 3 man rotation in the playoffs. I don’t know how it’s going to happen, I just think it’s an interesting conversation.
GB7
Like your thought on Corey Hart. Don’t know why the Brewers would want Vazquez though since they are 11.5 games out. I like the idea of Cliff Lee coming to the Yanks, but i like the thought of being able to trade Vazquez for a bat all most as much.
GB7-
What’s in it for the Brewers to trade for Vazquez? Draft picks? The chance to trade him for prospects before the deadline? I don’t see that.
Mark- Can’t touch this. July 9th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Montero and a bag of dirt! That all the Yankees should give Seattle.
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Hmmmmm… do they still have that Old Yankee Stadium grass laying around that they were selling?
Or an old Monument Park brick!
Hey all, just a reminder that we’ll be doing a live chat starting right here on the blog main page at 2:30 p.m. Be sure to come by for Q & A with Chad and me as we talk about the big Chad Tracy addition …
werth will have to shave and take a chill pill if he comes to NY
They aren’t spreading the playoff games as far apart this year so the Yanks or any other team will almost certainly have to use a fourth starter. That makes acquiring Lee more valuable than he would have been a year ago.
I don’t like adding a third guy to the deal and don’t think it’s necessary. McAllister was off to a great start in Scranton, missed a start (or two?) and has not been ahy good since. Anyone know if there’s something physically wrong with him.
Phelps, Nova, Noesi I think all have higher upsides.
I’d try to make Seattle take Chan Ho Park too
Hey, you guys … imagine if we got Jason Heyward and Cliff Lee….the Yanks would be unstoppable.
Hey, you guys … imagine if we got Jason Heyward and Cliff Lee….the Yanks would be unstoppable.
# sunny615 July 9th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
# vblade July 9th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Please. The Yankees have beaten Cliff Lee before and can do so again.
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no they haven’t – the Yanks lost to Lee in the World Series. Twice. They beat the Phillies – not Lee.
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They beat his team in his start, in the postseason, and they can do so again. So clearly he ain’t as invincible as everyone likes to make out.
Even if putting Hughes in the bullpen is in the plans, I don’t think they would want to do that until later in the year when he is nearing his innings limit.
Trading Vasquez makes much more sense because it clears payroll and would also potentially also them to regain prospects or acquire some of the other pieces they need (bat/bullpen etc).
Question is, what will they do with 6 starters until a deal for Javy can be worked out?
One thing about being a Yank fan is that there’s never a dull moment.
when are we gonna do this deal? the suspense is killing me. its a cliff hanger
“Hey, you guys … imagine if we got Jason Heyward and Cliff Lee….the Yanks would be unstoppable.”
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is this also an homage to the Muppets?
Heyyyy youuuu guys!!!
The Yankees weren’t going to keep Javy anyway next year (not willingly anyway – meaning if they offered him arb to get the picks, he might accept). They have a potential issue with pitching next year, so this could solve that – but again, they don’t know what Lee is going to ask for. What happens if he asks for an exhorbitant contract that is too rich for their blood? They can’t allow that to happen – they MUST sign Lee.
bob(the original) July 9th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Some of you fall way to in love with prospects. The majority of them never pan out. If you turn a few of them into a proven stud, you don’t think twice about it.
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Like Philip Hughes for Santana, I presume? Thank God Cashman thought twice about that one.
let’s assume the Rays got Lee. So in a 7 game series (assuming the Yanks and Rays met in the ALCS – because they can’t play in the ALDS) – the Yanks would have to face Price and Lee twice – on top of Garza, Shields and Niemann/Davis. yikes.
Sounds like a done deal.
Lee
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Montero, Adams, McAllister
Burnett in the pen for the playoffs is a terrible idea. His head & consistency issues make him a horrible candidate for this. Better to send Hughes out there for the playoffs, we know he can do it, and Burnett gets what, maybe 1 start, two tops in three rounds of playoffs.
Blake, if they want to put Phil in the pen in mid to late September, that’s fine. If they put him in now, he’d miss out on 1/2 seasons worth of development as a starter…
Erica
Who knew that calling Johnny useless is the equivalent of you benching Tex. Your family’s “powers” are kind of scary.
It’s hard to tell Swisher that he’s being made the primary DH. He’s become a better than an average right fielder. He’s worked hard to become a solid defensive right fielder. Right now, Swisher is at least equal or better as a hitter than Werth.
“Just catching up on the Sherman posts……..putting Phil in the pen now is not an option. If that’s what the Yankees choose to do, it’s just asinine”
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betsy: I believe asinine is a curse word
# sunny615 July 9th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
let’s assume the Rays got Lee. So in a 7 game series (assuming the Yanks and Rays met in the ALCS – because they can’t play in the ALDS) – the Yanks would have to face Price and Lee twice – on top of Garza, Shields and Niemann/Davis. yikes.
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So you’re basing a preventative move that loses us 3 regarded prospects, for a situation that the Rays MIGHT be in the ALCS?
Reeks of dealing from a position of fear to me.
I can’t see them going with a 6 man rotation like Davidoff proposed. One thing Lee does is make the pen better because he’ll give us innings…..and take up some of those innings that the pen would have to pitch.
I think Cashman is stalling, trade won’t happen.
This is like trading a young Mike Piazza for Steve Trachsel. He’s just stirring the pot to keep Lee from Boston, Tampa, Minnesota and Texas. You’ll see, he’ll end up in Atlanta.
pat July 9th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Erica
Who knew that calling Johnny useless is the equivalent of you benching Tex. Your family?s ?powers? are kind of scary.
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LOL… Thanks
After each home run I called my dad and yelled “Thats why you don’t call Johnny useless!”.
I told him Johnny is spiting him. LOL
I’m gonna go treat myself to a burrito!
the Yankees just made the rest of MLB join in a collective puke
“It’s hard to tell Swisher that he’s being made the primary DH. He’s become a better than an average right fielder. He’s worked hard to become a solid defensive right fielder. Right now, Swisher is at least equal or better as a hitter than Werth”
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and a better person in the clubhouse.
Has Olney said anything interesting?
While I was out at lunch, one of the guys I work with (huge White Sox fan) came up to me and started screaming at me that Swish got the final spot that should have gone to Konerko. I thought he was going to pass out he got so worked up. It was weird. LOL
Betsy,
I agree, thats why I don’t see them doing that. I think if the Lee trade goes through then Javy is getting traded as well.
Betsy, why in the world would Vazquez accept arbitration? He has to be looking for a multiple year deal next year. That’s the last thing I’d worry about.
Hurley July 9th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
I think Cashman is stalling, trade won’t happen.
This is like trading a young Mike Piazza for Steve Trachsel.
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LOL Steve Trachsel. Reminds me of the quote “LeBron dragged this Decision thing way longer than even Steve Trachsel would have”
Blake-
“Question is, what will they do with 6 starters until a deal for Javy can be worked out?”
Bask in the glow of having one of the greastest rotations ever assembled ?
Seriously, I am sure they can figure it out. Don’t you think so ?
By the way, I am sending Cash a case of earlaps to protect his ear from all that time he has that phone pressed up against it taking trade calls.
Man, it just has to be sore.
“Hurley July 9th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
I think Cashman is stalling, trade won’t happen.
This is like trading a young Mike Piazza for Steve Trachsel. ”
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don’t quit your day job running that Cluck’s fried chicken chain
Hurley
First of all I wouldn’t compare Lee to Steve Trachsel. Also I don’t see Lee going to Atlanta.
betsy:
Olney is not on yet.
# GreenBeret7 July 9th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
It’s hard to tell Swisher that he’s being made the primary DH. He’s become a better than an average right fielder. He’s worked hard to become a solid defensive right fielder. Right now, Swisher is at least equal or better as a hitter than Werth.
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Agreed. Can’t see that happening.
Girardi LOVES Swisher and he’s having the best season of his career, not only at the plate, but he’s done a good job out in RF.
If I’m Girardi, I don’t mess with Swisher at all. Don’t fix what ain’t broken.
# vblade July 9th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
They beat his team in his start, in the postseason, and they can do so again. So clearly he ain’t as invincible as everyone likes to make out.
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No they didn’t. The Yanks lost to his team on his starts twice last season in the World Series. Game 1 – Lee (W) CC (L) Phillies beat the Yankees 6-1
Game 5 – Lee (W) AJ (L) Phillies beat the Yankees 8-6
Yea, I guess I have Trachsel on the brain.
It really hurts to lose Montero, but… well, say you have a financial investment in the Yankees winning more than 95.5 games.
And a smaller investment in them winning more than 100 games.
And an investment in the Redsocks winning fewer than 94.5 games.
And an investment in the Yankees winning the ALCS and another in them winning the World Series.
Well, a person like that would have to be happy about this trade in the short term.
Erica in NY July 9th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Obviously Guy Smiley would have given prizes to those who attended!
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Guy Smiley reference!!!!
Erica’s back!!
If there was a choice, I’d move burnett before javy.
Joe July 9th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
when are we gonna do this deal? the suspense is killing me. its a cliff hanger
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LOL Great pun!
Vazquez to the Brewers would give them a good trade for a lot of good young prospects by taking two top 35 picks or moving him on, and they also need a middle infielder. Not sure that weeks is a 2nd baseman and could move to right field by next year with Luis nunez moving into 2nd or shortstop.
If the Yanks got Werth, I presume he’d play the OF vs LHP, RF some and DH some vs RHP, Swisher would play RF some and DH some against RHP, Granderson to the bench most days vs LHP.
But the Yanks aren’t getting Werth, it’s a pipe dream.
# BD (Boston Dave) July 9th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
“Hurley July 9th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
I think Cashman is stalling, trade won’t happen.
This is like trading a young Mike Piazza for Steve Trachsel. ”
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don’t quit your day job running that Cluck’s fried chicken chain
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Dude, didn’t you hear? I’m the new Jacob.
sounds like making a deal from a position of depth to strengthen your team to give it the best chance of a repeat to me.
lol Hurley
BD-
Please pick me up a burrito also. Red sauce on it with shredded chicken.
And a six pack of Coors.
I’ll pay you back later.
Cool ?
GB7,
OK, but I don’t see it. I think they could do better by moving Hart without asking for a this year guy.
However, if you could help in getting that deal done I wouldn’t stand in your way.
Nick in SF -
You wouldn’t know anyone in that situation, would you?????
Blake, right. I have to assume Cashman is smarter than we are and knows that he’d be setting Phil back by depriving him of 1/2 years worth of starts.
A certain board is blowing up right now…..I think I’ll avoid that,lol.
TylerKepner Great story by @susanslusser on the movie version of “Moneyball.” The Oakland clubbie compares Brad Pitt to Jeter: “nice, normal people”.
vblade – because the same fear i have… him being traded to another team, falling in love and then them having the advantage… is now OUR advantage…
Nick in SF-
Now who could be a guy like that? LOL.
Not buying the Werth/Mrs Utley thing. The clubhouse friction would be impossible. In order to keep Utley happy, Werth would have been gone before now.
Vinny, thanks!
Hughes is at 94 ip already.. he had 105 ip last season.. and 70 the year prior.. so maybe 50-60 more ip? He could get near that in the pen.. the rest of the way
Doreen, let’s just say that I’m not going to cry over spilled Montero (this year) if this deal goes through.
I might win enough for my dream trip to Sheboygan!
New Post: LoHud Live Chat: The Cliff Lee trade
MTU,
yea I’m sure they will figure it out…I just mean it will be interesting to see how.
Erin July 9th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Guy Smiley reference!!!!
Erica?s back!!
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There was not nearly enough Guy Smiley on this blog while I was blog-cationing.
And you know what???
Sherlock Hemlock!
Has Matt checked in on the trade?
Welcome Back Erica!!! You were sorely missed.
Gary Sanchez has hit another grand slam. 2-4 with 5 RBI and a stolen base.
# pat July 9th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Has Matt checked in on the trade?
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He’ll be here as soon as the Yankees get behind, ranting about RISP issues.
# GreenBeret7 July 9th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Gary Sanchez has hit another grand slam. 2-4 with 5 RBI and a stolen base.
I said damn
Erica in NY July 9th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
There was not nearly enough Guy Smiley on this blog while I was blog-cationing.
And you know what???
Sherlock Hemlock!
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You’re right. I didn’t bother to discuss the muppets while you were gone since I didn’t think anyone else would appreciate it.
Sherlock Hemlock is awesome.
Montero once swung at a first pitch so he loves the trade.
Has Matt checked in on the trade?
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Matt is busy going through his hardrive and deleting pre written posts about how bad Montero’s approach at the plate is.
OK, now the new post is up! Sorry about that.
“He’ll be here as soon as the Yankees get behind, ranting about RISP issues.”
If he hasn’t checked in, the Yankees must be on the winning side in the trade.
buster is on.
Yankees/Seattle at the 1 yard line with the trade.
yankees didn’t ask for negotiation window. Presumably because Jeter, Girardi, Rivera don’t have contracts yet.
Montero, Adams, McCallister are the prospects
Yankees may not have liked the prospect of facing a Tampa Bay post-season rotation of David Price, Cliff Lee, Jeff Neimann, etc
Who’s Erica?
Think about it.
No team considered to be a contender in all of MLB can offer the prospects to the Mariners that the Yankees can.
The Rays come the closest but Lee would clearly be in a rental mode for them and they really hate to give up talent. Minnesota and the White Sox have probably talked with Seattle already which leaves the Yankees on the front burner to make their move.
“Matt” from NY on with Francesca now.
Yikes!
Lee this year+ plus keep 1st round pick next year minus Montero/Adams
Or
Montero/Adams plus Lee next year minus 1st round pick
if you factor in the saving of next years 1st round pick it helps even up.
HaHaHa — I would love to see JesusTheFutureYankeeCatchingGod traded! That would take all the hot air that’s been expended on him in the last few years on this blog and put it in its proper perspective!
deal is off – adams injury + another team with better offer
Joelsherman1
#Mariners have turned in a different direction and #Yankees do not believe they are in it now (more to come
Joelsherman1
To repeat the #Yankees aren’t getting Cliff Lee, #Mariners concerned about David Adams ankle plus apparently another team has jumped in hard
I hate to lose Montero but the Yanks have a surplus of catchers. They will have to get rid of at least one of them anyway eventually. All 3 (Montero, Romine, and a long way away but still tearing up the GCL Sanchez). Losing Adams doesn’t overly bother me as I think Corban Joseph can step right up and take his spot in the prospect hierarchy. This gives the Yanks at least on paper an absoultely dominant rotation.
Hate losing Montero but you deal from positions of strength. Romine is maybe the 2nd best catching prospect in the game right now that Santana is in the majors. I’ll take him as the future catcher gladly. The only thing I’m going to miss is not being able to use all my Jesus resurrection jokes I have cleverly thought of
. And no John Sterling homerun calls with the name of Jesus. 