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Two for one: About Montero and Adams

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 09, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Every report seems to mention the same two names — Jesus Montero and David Adams — going to the Mariners in the possible Cliff Lee deal. There could be a third prospect as well. For now we know these two names.

ph_524968Jesus Montero
Triple-A, catcher
.253, 6 HR, 35 RBI
Considered one of the top hitting prospects in baseball, Montero  has routinely faced questions about his ability to stay behind the plate. He seems to have made progress as a catcher, but it’s always been his bat that has wowed scouts and tantalized executives.
Why keep him? Because he can hit, and he’s shown signs of adjusting to Triple-A the past month and a half. After rocky two months, Montero was hitting .283 since June. His power numbers haven’t been overwhelming, but there’s enough of a track record to think that won’t be a problem.
Why trade him? Because there’s still no guarantee that he’s a viable defensive option in the major leagues, but mostly because Austin Romine is right behind him, apparently ready for a call-up to Triple-A. Romine is believed to be more polished behind the plate, and he’s hitting .281 with six home runs and 44 RBI in Double-A. The Yankees also have Gary Sanchez, J.R. Murphy and Kyle Higashioka in the minors, plus Jorge Posada signed for one more year in the majors. Catcher is a position of strength and depth in the system.

ph_458691David Adams
Double-A, second baseman
.309, 3 HR, 32 RBI
Injured since mid-May, Adams was off to a terrific start in Double-A. He’s a former third-round pick who breezed through Low-A and High-A last season, but an ankle injury sidelined him this season. He entered the season as clearly one of the top two or three infield prospects in the system.
Why keep him? Because he might have enough bat to be more than a utility man in the big leagues. The Yankees have plenty of utility options, but Adams is a fairly polished hitter out of the University of Virginia. He has some experience at third base, so he could become defensively flexible if necessary.
Why trade him? Mostly because Robinson Cano is an MVP candidate, Alex Rodriguez is a superstar and neither is going anywhere. Also, one of the Yankees prospects-on-the-rise is High-A second baseman Corban Joseph who’s hitting .315 with six home runs down in Tampa. Not to knock him, but given the player’s ultimate upside and the Yankees current roster status, clearly Montero is tougher to give up than Adams.

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104 Responses to “Two for one: About Montero and Adams”

  1. Mike RI July 9th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    its a no brainer ! ..

  2. vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    If you believe Montero is the catcher of the future, you don’t like this trade.

    If you believe he is just a 1B/DH, it’s an acceptable loss.

    It’s really one or the other.

  3. NYYROC July 9th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Repost: If Lee gets traded to NYY today, what uni does he wear at ASG? :)

  4. Erin July 9th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    JackCurryYES According to @JoelSherman1 of NYPost, Yankees close to Cliff Lee deal. A source told me, “It’s close, but that doesn’t mean it’s done.”

  5. Hey Kelvin says July 9th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Good post NYYROC, has to be Yankees uniform.

  6. vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    To make it absolutely clear, I’d love to have Cliff Lee on the team.

    Next year.

  7. Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    vblade – i can agree with that statement. if he was the catcher of the future this would be a problem, but we have romine. one of the 2 of them was going to get traded this year or next year, and there would have been these same complaints either way.

    anyone not seeing that isn’t paying attention to the roster.

  8. BD (Boston Dave) July 9th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    vblade,

    what if you accept that you just don’t know what he will be, because he’s a prospect who hasn’t hit very well at AAA (in a short sample)?

    The Yankees have no idea if he’ll be the catcher of the future.

    Who thought Cervelli would already be making an impact?

    Whether you are for OR against trading Montero, nobody knows what he will develop into.

    That uncertainty cannot be discounted.

  9. MTU (aka GBURL) July 9th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Repost:

    BD-

    You are preaching to the choir.

    I have equipose whichever way it goes.

    The analogy in this trade may be when the Sox traded Hanley for Beckett.

    Couple of contrasts though.

    Hanley is a SS Jesus may wind up as a 1b or a DH.

    Beckett was younger than Lee.

    The overall concept is the same. trade a stud prospect for a great pitcher.

    I just hope that jesus does not turn out to be as good as Hanley.

    If the Sox could do that trade over I bet they wouldn’t.

    Hope we don’t wind up with that residual feeling.

    That’s why they pay Cash the big bucks.

  10. sunny615 July 9th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Given that Lee substantially increases the chances of a repeat, I like having Lee now.

  11. vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    vblade – i can agree with that statement. if he was the catcher of the future this would be a problem, but we have romine. one of the 2 of them was going to get traded this year or next year, and there would have been these same complaints either way.

    anyone not seeing that isn’t paying attention to the roster.

    —————

    So let’s put it this way.

    Why not keep both and trade either for someone who isn’t about to be an FA, where the Yankees have the overwhelming advantage anyway?

  12. Nick in SF July 9th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    The real victims will be the M’s fans who paid market prices to watch Lee beat the Yankees tonight.

  13. Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....rspective/

    Good read on it, there is a Seattle perspective right before it.

  14. Hey Kelvin says July 9th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    I think, this increases the probability of winning. The Core won’t be together forever, Yankees brass see’s an opportunity and took it.

    This by far outweighs the good then the bad.

  15. Michelle July 9th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Now the question is can the Yanks get a good prospect for Vazquez? Phillies and Mets step right up…lol

  16. Bret the Hitman July 9th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    I’m for this trade but I did think the Yankees could get a younger top rotation starter for a Montero package. Obviously, they know the details of all the offers and interest around the league for Montero so Cliff Lee was the best available even though he’s 31.

  17. BD (Boston Dave) July 9th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    “If the Sox could do that trade over I bet they wouldn’t.”

    —————–

    I strongly disagree with that.

    The Red Sox AND the Yankees clearly know what wins in this league.

    It’s pitching.

    It was an absolute NO-BRAINER to trade Hanley for a young promising pitcher in Beckett.

    They wouldn’t hesitate to make a similar deal today, and it helped win them a WS in 2007.

  18. Erin July 9th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    YankeesWFAN Other prospects potentially in this deal: rhp Hector Noesi and ss Eduardo Nunez. Both 23 yrs old.

  19. vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    # BD (Boston Dave) July 9th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    vblade,

    what if you accept that you just don’t know what he will be, because he’s a prospect who hasn’t hit very well at AAA (in a short sample)?

    The Yankees have no idea if he’ll be the catcher of the future.

    Who thought Cervelli would already be making an impact?

    Whether you are for OR against trading Montero, nobody knows what he will develop into.

    That uncertainty cannot be discounted.

    ————————–

    He’s hit at every level. He’s hit at AAA for the last two months. All indications point to the fact that he will continue to hit.

    His bat won’t be an issue. It’s whether he sticks behind the plate.

    I just hope we aren’t having a Hanley Ramirez moment.

  20. raymagnetic July 9th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    A couple of weeks ago I said I’d trade trade Romine and Nunez in a NY minute for Cliff Lee.

    Even though the players have changed, I feel the same way now. I’m guessing the deal is done with all the info that’s been leaked already.

  21. Charlie Kelly July 9th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    charlie – if the yankees lose the world series this year, it won’t be because they traded away a guy that isn’t playing for them.

    that wasn’t the question

  22. G-C July 9th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    “If you believe he is just a 1B/DH, it?s an acceptable loss.”

    I don’t agree with this.

    Jesus might have been a DH here. Unfortunately we’ll never find out. But regardless, a DH with that bat is still a tremendous commodity, especially when you consider that Rodriguez and Jeter are mired in steep declines (though I don’t count Jeter out from anything and expect him to have a great second half), Posada is nearing the end, and Granderson looks like a possible waste.

    You need bats. But I’m sure the proponents of the deal will say you can just sign one as a FA.

  23. Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    vblade – because depending on winning a FA with money isn’t always the answer (obviously it usually is enough but hear me out). you don’t know what will happen when lee puts on a different uniform. maybe he changes his mind and signs an extension. maybe he decides to test FA, but likes it where he is so he signs there.

    this puts him in our house, with our shirt on his back. that makes it very, very difficult for him to walk away.

  24. Erin July 9th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    SI_JonHeyman tho there were said to be a couple things to work through, a source characterized a lee-to-the-yankees deal as “likely”

    Note: this is Heyman, so take it with a grain of salt. ;)

  25. Erin July 9th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    YankeesWFAN Noesi between A and AA: 11-3, 2.21 ERA. 104 K, 17 BB in 102 inn. 0.951 WHIP. Nunez has .304 BA at AAA, strong glove.

  26. Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    G-C – the proponents of the deal have this question for you.

    if montero stayed here as the DH, what do you do with posada/jeter/arod for the next 5 years? leave them out in the field to rot?

  27. BD (Boston Dave) July 9th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    MTU,

    People here want to make trades for elite players and not give up elite prospects.

    It just doesn’t work that way.

    I’m not arguing with the idea to let Cliff Lee try to sign for 2011. I’m not. it’s a perfectly legit side to take.

    But it’s hard to take too many people seriously when the trade suggestions on this board generally are ridiculously slanted towards the Yankees.

    I certainly won’t cry seeing Cliff Lee winning games in pinstripes this year.

    It’s not like they are trading Montero for a relatively unproven player. Lee is an elite player.

  28. vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    G-C July 9th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    “If you believe he is just a 1B/DH, it?s an acceptable loss.”

    I don’t agree with this.

    Jesus might have been a DH here. Unfortunately we’ll never find out. But regardless, a DH with that bat is still a tremendous commodity, especially when you consider that Rodriguez and Jeter are mired in steep declines (though I don’t count Jeter out from anything and expect him to have a great second half), Posada is nearing the end, and Granderson looks like a possible waste.

    —————————————

    I like Granderson and I think he’ll be fine. Put him in a part-platoon, and he can be very effective.

    Jeter and A-Rod are going to take up the DH spot. They’re not paying A-Rod $30M not to have his bat in the lineup, even when he’s no longer at 3rd. That spot will be taken by older players, 100%. Posada is already spending a lot of time there.

    1B is locked down for the foreseeable future.

    Catcher, however, is a different story. If Montero can hack it there (and I haven’t seen any real evidence why he can’t), then Posada can be seamlessly replaced.

  29. G-C July 9th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    “I just hope we aren?t having a Hanley Ramirez moment.”

    We are.

    And its even worse because Lee would have been a Yankee in four months anyway. This is WHAT I STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND! You all honestly want Lee for two months at the expense of a prospect this good? Really? When you could have him for nothing but cold hard cash in the future? Its short-sighted and pathetic.

    I’m pretty sure the Red Sox would trade back for Hanley in a second given the chance he’d give them at winning championships over the next ten years for the one that Beckett did win them.

    But I’m one who believes Beckett is still a stud and could come back and do it again.

  30. BD (Boston Dave) July 9th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    G-C,

    so when exactly does your moratorium on the Yankees kick in?

    The Pittsburgh Pirates have some jerseys on hold for you. half price!!

  31. Erin July 9th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    TylerKepner People may complain if/when Yanks get Lee today, but credit them for stockpiling talent at a valuable position, C, to make this deal happen.

  32. vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    vblade – because depending on winning a FA with money isn’t always the answer (obviously it usually is enough but hear me out). you don’t know what will happen when lee puts on a different uniform. maybe he changes his mind and signs an extension. maybe he decides to test FA, but likes it where he is so he signs there.

    this puts him in our house, with our shirt on his back. that makes it very, very difficult for him to walk away.

    —————–

    Isn’t that dealing from a position of fear? He has already made it clear to everyone, not just the Yankees, that he is going to test the FA waters.

  33. The Mad Prince in Pinstripes July 9th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    IF the Yankees complete this trade then my guess is that it is because of the following reasons, both short and long term:
    1. The Hughes Rules: this will allow the Yankees to slot Hughes back into the bullpen for the remainder of the season and bolster it tremendously as he did last season. With Rivera aching and Joba a bit “shaky”, this makes perfect sense.
    2. Lee will replace either Vasquez (most likely) or Pettitte (mildly likely) in the rotation in 2011 and allow the Yanks to slot Hughes into the rotation full time moving forward. Finding a 5th starter at that point will be relatively easy in the event that Pettitte does in fact retire.

    Truth is, you never know what Montero is going to do. You can only speculate. But the Yankees have never had a hard time finding hitters via the free agent market. If he ultimately becomes a 1B or DH he is relatively useless over the next 7 years with guys like ARod, Tex, and Jeter. Trading Adams is a non factor because of Cano. I know next to nothing about him so I won’t pretend I do. And we have Cervelli who has already proven he can catch and slap singles which is all we really need at the bottom of our lineup.

    Throw Carl Crawford into the fold next season and voila…a potent dynasty emerges.

    Hard decisions call for hard answers and at the end of the day I’d venture to guess that Cashman made the right decision in the end.

    My only question is whether the Yankees will try to negotiate a contract with Lee in the coming days or at the end of the season. If they don’t re-sign him for whatever reason (HIGHLY DOUBTFUL) then this trade is more or less a bust for the Yankees unless they win the whole thing.

  34. G-C July 9th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    “if montero stayed here as the DH, what do you do with posada/jeter/arod for the next 5 years? leave them out in the field to rot?”

    Arod signed here to play third base. If his bat is going to continue to decline then the fact that he’s still hitting reasonably at a premium defensive position will be a saving grace. He didn’t sign here to DH and, along the lines of the mantra you and others have been propogating, you cross that bridge when you get to it.

    Jeter doesn’t hit enough to DH. The day he can’t play short is the day he sails off into the sun. I firmly believe that. He’s a good enough athlete that I think, like Vizquel, he can continue to competently play the position for the life of his next extension.

    Posada sails off into the sun after next year.

    Don’t see how any of that impacts Montero as a DH.

  35. saucY July 9th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    the what uniform would he wear in the all-star game made me smile for the first time about this trade going thru…

  36. Mark- Can't touch this. July 9th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    I can’t believe the Yankees are giving so much for renting Lee for 6 months for themselves. This trade should be Montero and a bag of dirt, no other team was going to give Seattle that much.

  37. Erin July 9th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    YankeesWFAN Vazquez has some no trade protection but he has value. Burnett contract is problem to trade making it longshot but not impossible.

  38. vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    # Mark- Can’t touch this. July 9th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    I can’t believe the Yankees are giving so much for renting Lee for 6 months for themselves. This trade should be Montero and a bag of dirt, no other team was going to give Seattle that much.

    ——————-

    Based on reports, no other team was offering Seattle a Top 10 prospect.

  39. Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    vblade – yes, and “testing the FA waters” does not equate to “signing with the yankees as a FA”.

    is it fear? fear of one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball going to a playoff contending rival? sure. they would be stupid to not fear that. fear is not cowardice though.

  40. NYYROC July 9th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Hughes may go to pen in post season, but I think he’ll stay in rotation for the rest of the regular season. It has been a goal of Cashman for at least 3 years to develop his own SP. Hughes is doing a good job, he even made the All Star team. No way they pull the plug. They want him to start all year, put the inning limit behind him and be good to go next year.

  41. MTU (aka GBURL) July 9th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    BD-

    It’s the old “you gotta give to get” type thing.

    The Yankees obviously really, really want Lee, and they must fear losing him to someone else.

    Why shouldn’t they ? He is the perfect replacement for AP going forward.

    A proven big game pitcher in the AL East and WS.

    I too can understand the feelings on both sides. I am not condemning
    anyone’s POV. I wouldn’t want to have to make this decision.

    It could be fantastic or haunting for years. it has that kind of potential either way.

    In the best case both teams get what they bargained for.

    We have the best catching pipeline in all of baseball. Lee is one of the best pitchers in the game.

    Maybe it should no surprise at all that these two forces collided.

    It’s very exciting either way. Let the cards fall where they may. :)

  42. benfica356 July 9th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    im hearing the 3rd prospect is mccallister

  43. Mike RI July 9th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Benfica or Sporting

  44. vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    vblade – yes, and “testing the FA waters” does not equate to “signing with the yankees as a FA”.

    is it fear? fear of one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball going to a playoff contending rival? sure. they would be stupid to not fear that. fear is not cowardice though.

    ———————-

    Who else would offer him more money? Which other franchise is more conducive to winning than the defending WS champs?

    If he declines all of that, then he wasn’t meant to be here in the first place.

  45. Erin July 9th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    BloggingBombers Ha! RT @Ian_OConnor C. Lee will announce The Decision tonight on way to the bullpen when he rips off his jacket to reveal NYY or SEA jersey

    :lol:

  46. Bret the Hitman July 9th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Erin July 9th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    YankeesWFAN Vazquez has some no trade protection but he has value. Burnett contract is problem to trade making it longshot but not impossible.
    *********

    I’d be ECSTATIC if the Yanks could move Burnett instead of Vazquez. If they do, it’s an indication Pettitte’s coming back in place of Javy.

  47. Nick in SF July 9th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    This whole thing is so CC doesn’t go into a funk because of LeBron.

    He’ll be all smiles sitting next to his buddy tonight.

  48. Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    vblade – you also make a grand assumption that just because he said he will test free agency, he will actually do that… when his entire life is being changed by the day.

    situations change… what if he moved to tampa, decided it was the best thing that ever happened to his life and decides to hell with this, i’m taking the money now? is that really so far fetched?

  49. Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    vblade – contrary to popular belief, the yankees do not get every FA they want just by throwing money and winning alot.

  50. MTU (aka GBURL) July 9th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    One thing you have to admit.

    This has been one of the most exciting days on the blog in a long time.

    Absolutely fantastic. 100% pure adrenaline. :)

  51. vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    vblade – you also make a grand assumption that just because he said he will test free agency, he will actually do that… when his entire life is being changed by the day.

    situations change… what if he moved to tampa, decided it was the best thing that ever happened to his life and decides to hell with this, i’m taking the money now? is that really so far fetched?

    ———————-

    This is another thing I’d like to raise.

    Why not wait until a final offer is in place? Looks like Cashman blew away all other offers out of the water unnecessarily.

    Prices usually go down before the deadline.

  52. Mark- Can't touch this. July 9th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    benfica356 July 9th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    im hearing the 3rd prospect is mccallister
    _______

    Stupid trade by the Yankees. What other teams would of given Seattle a top 5 prospect, Adams and McAllister? The answer is no other team would come close!!! When you trade Montero for a 6 month rental to yourself you include a bag of balls and a half eaten hot dog not human beings that play baseball. MAD!!!

  53. vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    vblade – contrary to popular belief, the yankees do not get every FA they want just by throwing money and winning alot.

    ———————-

    CC, AJ and Tex say hi. A bit snarky, but its an example.

  54. Erin July 9th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Bret the Hitman July 9th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    I?d be ECSTATIC if the Yanks could move Burnett instead of Vazquez. If they do, it?s an indication Pettitte?s coming back in place of Javy.

    ***************************
    JMO, but I really don’t see them trading AJ. Even though I’d hate to see Javy go, I think he’ll be the odd man out.

  55. sunny615 July 9th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Beckett won 2 with them 2004 and 2007.

  56. MTU (aka GBURL) July 9th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Vblade-

    We are not privy to all the factors that Cashman has to take into consideration.

    As a matter of fact being honest we don’t have a clue. :)

  57. Erin July 9th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    JackCurryYES From talks with aggressive Mariners, Yankee officials believe Cliff Lee trade will get traded today. They just hope it’s to them.

  58. Jeremy July 9th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    I have to laugh at some Met fans saying that the Yankees trade garbage prospects that never pan out. Yeah like they should talk when all the prospects in the Santana deal are no where to be found. The MEts overhype their farm more than anyother team.

    But I will admit that if this trade goes through then I will really miss Montero because I saw alot of potential.

  59. Mark- Can't touch this. July 9th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
    vblade – contrary to popular belief, the yankees do not get every FA they want just by throwing money and winning alot.
    ______

    When was the last time the Yankees lost a free agent they wanted?

  60. rj July 9th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    NYYROC July 9th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    Hughes may go to pen in post season, but I think he’ll stay in rotation for the rest of the regular season. It has been a goal of Cashman for at least 3 years to develop his own SP. Hughes is doing a good job, he even made the All Star team. No way they pull the plug. They want him to start all year, put the inning limit behind him and be good to go next year

    ===========================================================
    Yes, this. No problem with him going to the BP for the playoffs and going with CC/Lee/Andy with Burnett if needed.

  61. Carl July 9th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    # sunny615 July 9th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Beckett won 2 with them 2004 and 2007.

    wrong.

  62. saucY July 9th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    FWIW, a friend, whose a Seattle fan is super excited that this deal goes through…

  63. sunny615 July 9th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    nope – wrong. one. sorry.

  64. Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    vblade – and a guy like mauer is an example of why you don’t bank on someone being there in free agency at the end of the year.

  65. GreenBeret7 July 9th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    From MLB-Rumors-R-Us

    Yankees Sign Chad Tracy
    By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 9 at 12:25pm CST]
    The Yankees signed Chad Tracy, according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. Tracy will play in the minors and provide the Yankees with some of the infield depth they have been seeking.

  66. MTU (aka GBURL) July 9th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Sunny-

    I just threw the Beckett-Hanley thing out there for a comparison.

    No idea how the Sox look back at it now. Absolutely none. :)

  67. igotid88 July 9th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Is Montero an awful catcher or just okay? Does he call a good game? I mean we had Posada behind the plate and he’s not exactly a great catcher. And it didn’t hurt.

  68. Darrin July 9th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Perhaps I’m just jaded because I’ve been watching baseball for so many years.

    I can completely understand the panic that some people feel about potentially losing Montero, but I just don’t get that “tingly” over baseball prospects. Sorry.

    Take a look at the 2010 Yankees that currently have the best record in baseball. The only two “can’t miss” prospects were A-rod and Hughes. All the other players blossomed in completely unexpected ways. Rivera was a failed starter, Posada was a 2nd baseman, Jeter was an error prone minor leaguer, you can go on and on. My point: in baseball take the proven over the unproven. Especially if you have depth in that position.

  69. Bronx Jeers July 9th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    BloggingBombers Ha! RT @Ian_OConnor C. Lee will announce The Decision tonight on way to the bullpen when he rips off his jacket to reveal NYY or SEA jersey

    Yanks to hold ESPN “THE TRADE ” press conference in Gloucester, Mass YMCA. Proceeds set to be donated to The Jimmy Fund.

  70. Jeremy July 9th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Also you have to remember that no team in baseball is going to trade a top guy to the Yankees for very little. The Yankees always have to overpay.

  71. Erin July 9th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    ed_price If #Yankees get Lee, it gives them 4 of top 12 winningest pitchers 2008-10. Sabathia T1 with Halladay, Lee 3rd, Pettite T9th, Burnett T12th.

  72. blake July 9th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Yanks signed Chad Tracy. Thats him and Atkins in the last couple days….both are ex-good players. Pretty low risk moves.

  73. MTU (aka GBURL) July 9th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    GB-

    If it gets any more exciting around here I am just going to explode.

    What a day. No matter a person’s POV it’s definitely exciting and interesting.

    What more can a fan ask for ? :) :) :)

  74. Billy D July 9th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    When was the last time the Yankees lost a free agent they wanted?

    Probably when Maddux re-upped with the Braves.

  75. Bret the Hitman July 9th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Erin,

    I think they’re willing to trade AJ. The trouble is they’re unable to move his contract. It’s a bad contract. If there’s a pitching starved team that offers to take it at the deadline, Cashman would surely move it unless Pettitte has told the team he’s definitely retiring. Pettitte didn’t look like a retiree last night.

  76. m July 9th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Darrin, even Hughes took some unexpected turns on his path.

  77. champ809 July 9th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    repost

    This is a reaction by the Yanks to the very real possibility that the Rays would have acquired Lee and the Yanks could be looking at 12 more games and a possible ALCS matchup against the Rays with Lee/Price/Garza/Niemann/Sheilds vs. CC/Pettitte/AJ/Javy/Hughes….

    Lee was going to be a Yankee come November anyway….by making this move and a corresponding Javy for Werth deal then the Yanks are a virtual lock to repeat! Lock!

    The thing is that Jack Z played this perfectly and essentially traded Phillipe Aumont and 2 B-C level prospects for 2 months of Cliff Lee/Jesus Montero/David Adams and a 3rd B-B= level prospect….

    Just more evidence that the Mariners are in great hands. Tremendous GM’ing by him….

    The moron in all of this is Ruben Amaro…he should never have traded Lee in the 1st place and instead had a rotation of Halladay/Lee/Hamels and been looking at a 3rd straight WS and a real chance of beating us this time….

  78. BD (Boston Dave) July 9th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    MTU,

    I tend to agree – let the chips fall where they may.

    I don’t think you can go wrong with keeping Montero OR with getting an elite starter like Lee.

    I really think it’s a win-win.

    However, it’s a testament to the Yankees that they’ve built such a deep farm system to be able to make a deal like this without impacting their MLB roster.

  79. Fran (the original) and OPPC member July 9th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Erin,

    Thanks for all of the updates. And thanks for the kind GTLU words last night. It really is just luck. Busy working on my line-up for tonight :)

  80. sunny615 July 9th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    MTU – look – i like montero. But you have to give up a lot to get a lot. In my mind, this makes #28 look a whole lot clearer. I had a lot of concerns about this team in a short series. Not anymore. It’s painful, but it also makes this team much better in the long run. In a lot of different ways.

  81. E-gawa July 9th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    I haven’t been following the threads.. I’m just reacting the last few blog postings.. Say they get Lee.. Who’s the odd man out? Our rotation is GREAT this season.

    Do you think they would stick Hughes back into the pen since we need so much help there? Is that a possible scenario that they would do?

  82. GreenBeret7 July 9th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Mark- Can’t touch this. July 9th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
    vblade – contrary to popular belief, the yankees do not get every FA they want just by throwing money and winning alot.
    ______

    When was the last time the Yankees lost a free agent they wanted?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    This has no more to do about free agency than it did when the yankees traded for Rodriguez….talent for talent.

  83. vblade July 9th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 9th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    vblade – and a guy like mauer is an example of why you don’t bank on someone being there in free agency at the end of the year.

    ——————-

    Mauer is Minnesota’s version of LeBron.

    Crap, bad example :D

    Anyway, he’s a hometown guy, spent his whole career with the team, and was paid accordingly. It’s not the same.

  84. Erin July 9th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    New Post: Live chat at 2:30 eastern

    :arrow:

  85. Mark- Can't touch this. July 9th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) July 9th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    Sunny-

    I just threw the Beckett-Hanley thing out there for a comparison.

    No idea how the Sox look back at it now. Absolutely none.
    ______

    Bad comparison Beckett was younger and was locked up for a couple of years for a bargain price. The Soxs did not rent Beckett for 6 months and then dole out $100 million contract.

  86. m July 9th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Also I’m cracking up. There was more angst about losing Melky, vizcaino, & Jackson than Jesus.

  87. BD (Boston Dave) July 9th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Pettitte doesn’t need to retire.

    CC
    Lee
    AJ
    Andy
    Hughes

    sorry Boston… your self-proclaimed “best rotation in baseball” just got trumped :)

  88. MTU (aka GBURL) July 9th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    BD/Sunny-

    I think we are all on the same page.

    What a day ! :)

  89. Bernie July 9th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    :arrow:

  90. Charlie Kelly July 9th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    FWIW, a friend, whose a Seattle fan is super excited that this deal goes through…

    As he should be, the Mariners are getting away with highway robbery on this deal.

    Nobody has answered my previous question. If Montero goes on to fulfill his potential as a top 5 hitter in the league and the Yanks don’t win the world series in 2010 will all of those in favor of this deal still be posting about how great this deal was?

  91. MTU (aka GBURL) July 9th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Mark-

    I have to diagree with you on one thing. I do not believe Lee will be a rental.

    I think the Yankees were concerned, for whatever reason, that Lee might get away from them if they did not get him now, and they did not want to take that risk.

    JMO.

  92. Look at the back of my baseball card July 9th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Mets give up nothing for Santana. Sea gives up nothing for Lee. Phillies give up nothing for Lee. Brewers give up Laporta for CC yet we have to give up a top 5 prospect??

  93. Buze77 July 9th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Love the trade. I don’t think the Yankees really ever viewed Montero as anything more then a elite trading chip. Especially since Romine seems to be showing he is the better catching prospect.
    I don’t see why we need to trade one of our current starters. I would be all for moving Hughes back to the pen where he dominated last year. If we are gonna get rid of anyone ship away Chan Ho Park or Marte from the pen. Go with young arms in the pen and veteran starters. Come October there won’t be many teams we need to worry about.

    If Lee goes to the Twins or Rangers I think they could be serious contenders in stopping the Yankees from reaching the World Series.

    Do the trade.

  94. JM July 9th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    MTU,

    Given that Beckett helped the Sox win only their second World Series since 1918, I still think they’d make the Ramirez trade today. Beckett was MVP of the ALCS back in 2007……..Most teams, even Boston, don’t have the luxury of just assuming they’re going to make a run at the World Series every year.

  95. Darrin July 9th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Charlie Kelly -

    Fair enough.

    How about this: If Montero turns out to be Steve Balboni and the Yankees lose the 2010 Pennant to the Cliff Lee-led Rays, will you still be posting how bad this deal was?

  96. BIG AL July 9th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    SEATTLE — Cliff Lee added a new spin to the ongoing will-he-or-won’t-he be traded story Thursday by telling the Seattle media he had been open to talking about signing a long-term contract with the Mariners during spring training.

    General manager Jack Zduriencik declined to comment on the story, but Lee, when asked if he would have been receptive to signing up with the Mariners for the long term, said, “Obviously. That was the point.”
    _____________________________________________________

    This is why the Yankees want him know, before another team trades for him, and gives him an extension, taking him off the FA market.

  97. Look at the back of my baseball card July 9th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    JM,

    Theo wouldn’t have done the deal if he was there at the time

  98. GreenBeret7 July 9th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    still would rather keep Montero, but, Lee does two things. It helps the Yankees and it hurts the Red Sox, Devil Rays, Phillies, Rangers, White Sox, Twins and Mets. That is as deep of a 5 man roation as baseball has ever seen and probably equals the four 20 game winners that the Orioles had in 1971.

  99. champ809 July 9th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Darrin

    Jeter was the #6 pick in the draft and was a can’t miss prospect….he was the high school player of the year his senior season….

  100. Pat M. July 9th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Just getting back from the gym………Thishas been in the early stages several weeks ago & most likely will go down…….Yanks do not want to part with Austin at all, just like they would not move Hughes last year for Doc

  101. champ809 July 9th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    GB7

    I agree would much rather have Montero and go to war with what I’ve got for #28 or if I determine that I need Lee then I’d prefer to trade Romine and personally wouldn’t have made Jesus avail…

    Eduardo Nunez and Jesus would have been on my no trade list and anybody else from the names mentioned could be had.

    Romine/Adams/Nova or McCallister or even Phelps and I’d move in a NY minute

  102. Rick July 9th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    The Yankees don’t really need to part with Javy in a deal with Philly for Werth as the 2nd part of dealing.
    DFA Chan Ho Park, and with the innings limits coming due for Phil Hughes, slot him to the pen.
    A rotation of C.C. , A.J., Cliff Lee, Andy, and Javy is a good balance. Pitching rules.
    Assign Cliff Lee No. 36. Nick Johnson is not likely to be back.

  103. Darrin July 9th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    champ – I know about Jeter. But his road to the big leagues was erratic – he was a complete disaster in the minors. He started as a can’t miss then proceeded to make 50 errors in one season.

  104. Tom July 9th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    I hope that Cashman is not the one making this deal. Every deal except for Nick S he has gotten taken to the cleaners. The CF we got has continued his decline both at the bat and in the field.. While the CF and left hander we gave up are having good seasons. In fact Jackson is considered to be one of the top CF in baseball. The Yankees will spend the next ten years trying to find a CF because of Cashmans bone headed moves.

    We got taken in the Pirates deal. We got a pitcher who can only pitch to one batter.

    The signings this year are just as bad.

    Just like the Jackson deal this will come back and haunt the Yanks for years to come.

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