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Old-Timers’ Day to celebrate 1950 championship

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 10, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

In all of the Cliff Lee madness, this press release was obviously buried yesterday.

The New York Yankees announced today that seven members of the 1950 World Championship team will be on hand at the 64th annual Old-Timers’ Day on Saturday, July 17, at Yankee Stadium. Introductions are scheduled to begin at 2:00 p.m. with the traditional Old-Timers’ game to follow, both of which will be aired exclusively on the YES Network. The Yankees will then host the Tampa Bay Rays at 4:05 p.m., airing on FOX.

The Old-Timers are headlined by seven members of the Yankees’ 1950 World Series-winning club, including Hall-of-Famers Yogi Berra and Whitey Ford, as well as Jerry Coleman, Don Johnson, Duane Pillette, Charlie Silvera and Hank Workman. For Johnson, Pillette and Workman, this year will mark their first Old-Timers’ Day appearances. Dr. Bobby Brown, Ralph Houk and Fred Sanford were invited, but will not be able to attend the event.

Also in attendance will be Hall of Famers Rich “Goose” Gossage and Reggie Jackson, along with 2009-inductee Rickey Henderson. In addition, Cecil Fielder will make his Old-Timers’ Day debut.

Joining the Hall-of-Famers and members of the 1950 Yankees club on the baselines will be more than 30 additional former Yankees and the widows of four legendary Yankees—Arlene Howard, widow of Elston Howard; Helen Hunter, widow of Jim “Catfish” Hunter; Kay Murcer, widow of Bobby Murcer; and Diana Munson, widow of Thurman Munson.

List of those Scheduled to Attend
(*Denotes First-Time Old-Timer)

Luis Arroyo
Jesse Barfield
Yogi Berra
Ron Blomberg
Homer Bush
Rick Cerone
Chris Chambliss
Horace Clarke
Jerry Coleman
David Cone
Bucky Dent
Al Downing
Brian Doyle
Mike Easler
Dave Eiland
Cecil Fielder*
Whitey Ford
Oscar Gamble
Joe Girardi
Rich “Goose” Gossage
Ron Guidry
Charlie Hayes
Rickey Henderson
Arlene Howard
Helen Hunter
Reggie Jackson
Don Johnson*
Pat Kelly
Don Larsen
Hector Lopez
Lee Mazzilli
Gene Michael
Diana Munson
Kay Murcer
Jerry Narron
Jeff Nelson
Graig Nettles
Joe Pepitone
Duane Pillette*
Mickey Rivers
Charlie Silvera
Bill “Moose” Skowron
Aaron Small
Mel Stottlemyre
Ralph Terry
Mike Torrez
Bob Turley
Roy White
Hank Workman*

 
 

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147 Responses to “Old-Timers’ Day to celebrate 1950 championship”

  1. G. Love July 10th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    (repost)

    Bronx Born,

    There has been no indication that Jack Z was advised not to send him to the Yankees, but when you look at the times from the deal leaked to when the deal was consummated with Texas, there was plenty of time for other parties to get in Jack Z’s ear.

    When you look at the package he took which included his club sending 2.5 million dollars vs. what the Yankees had offered and he accepted (sort of) it just makes you wonder about the GM’s intent of not sending the player to NY.

    Think about it for a minute. You tell your boss I can get you a great new computer. Everyone is rating it high in the computer world or I can you another great computer that everyone is rating high only difference is we have to pay 2.5 million dollars for that one when the other one is free.

    He had to tell his owners, in a recession mind you, to kick in 2.5 million dollars yesterday to trade a Cy Young winner to a division rival.

    It’s preposterous and it’s clear to me that there was thinking that they didn’t want to send the guy to the Yankees.

  2. Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    It’ll be good to see Cone back. I miss him in the YES booth.

    More Cone. Less Flaherty.

  3. Everyone sucks except SJ and CB and Doreen July 10th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    No Mussina this year?

    Oh snap…no Homer Bush either?

  4. Everyone sucks except SJ and CB and Doreen July 10th, 2010 at 11:42 am

    Oh wait…there he is. Missed him the first time. Homer Bush.

  5. MTU (aka GBURL) July 10th, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Aaron Small.

    WooHoo. :)

  6. Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Kind of surprised Al Leiter won’t be there.

    Maybe he’s in the booth that day since he tends to do more of the big series’ against division rivals.

  7. Bronx Born July 10th, 2010 at 11:46 am

    I cannot disagree with you G. Love I find it most interesting. I guess I want to know more. :)

  8. old timer July 10th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Charlie Silvera probably holds the record for receiving the most rings and World Series shares as Yogi’s primary backup catcher.

  9. Fran (the original) and OPPC member July 10th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    G Love,

    I read another take on why Seattle would trade with Texas. Seattle is out of it and figures Lee will just go to Texas for the rest of this season and leave to FA. Meanwhile Seattle has Smoak going forward and weakened Texas for next season and beyond if Smoak is as good as advertised.

  10. Jon July 10th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    I only care what Peter A-bra-ham had to say about the Lee trade.

  11. G. Love July 10th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Bronx Born,

    Just seems like every time Cashman tries to make a deal we overpay a bit or the trade blows up because he won’t overpay.

    I get it that Smoak is a great prospect. But Montero is also a great prospect and in some circles rated higher than Smoak. When you add in the fact that the M’s owners had to chip in 2.5 million, it makes no sense.

    I know Texas sent 1 more prospect to the M’s, but it’s really Montero vs. Smoak in my eyes.

    That said, I’m thrilled we still have Montero and I hope this almost trade gets him to come out raking in the 2nd half and brings him up to the big club.

    The sooner he makes it up here and he hits for power up here, the less him name will pop up in trade talks. He just needs to make the strides to make the Yankees use him.

  12. Sony July 10th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Paging Paulie and Tino – c’mon, guys!

  13. Jon July 10th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    The Sox are 6-1 against Toronto this season.

    :(

    Blow Jays keeping their season alive.

  14. John July 10th, 2010 at 11:59 am

    C’mon, no Wayne Tolleson?!

  15. Bronx Born July 10th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Hey G. Love – I am very happy we have kept Montero as well. But the idea of Lee in pinstripes was most enjoyable.

  16. Alan July 10th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    If Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik was using the excuse of not accepting the Yankees offer because of the high ankle sprain of Trenton 2nd baseman David Adams, then it was a lame one.
    He should be fired by the Seattle owners for sheer incompetence.

  17. MTU (aka GBURL) July 10th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Bronx Born-

    I was a fence sitter on the Lee/Montero swap.

    But as G.Love pointed out earlier (And I agree) sometimes the best trades are the trades you didn’t make.

    I cite Robbie Cano, YMH, and now Jesus Montero. :)

  18. Hurley July 10th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Very excited to see how the Yankees might include Montero in the mix. Really did not want to see him go, but a deal for Lee would not have been a ridiculous one, so I too was a fence-sitter.

    I have to say, though, if Texas can get its act together financially by season’s end or shortly thereafter, I see them as the frontrunner for Lee’s services given the fact that he lives close by in Arkansas.

  19. blake July 10th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Fran,

    I said that very same thing this morning. In some ways in this particular case it makes more sense to trade Lee within the division.

    Lee is likely only going to be in Texas for the remainder of 2010 and Seattle isn’t competitive this year anyway. Whereas taking Smoak from the Rangers and putting him on their team weakens Texas long term and strengthens them for the future.

    Likely not the primary reason they chose to deal with the Rangers instead of the Yankees but its a side benefit to it. Lee in Texas make no difference to Seattle this year and he won’t be there next year.

  20. G. Love July 10th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    blake and Fran,

    The only flaw in that logic is that Texas will get stronger by recouping the 2 #1 picks when Lee leaves as a free agent.

    While they lose Smoak, they could draft 2 players who become franchise types with those picks who haunt the M’s forever.

    That’s why you don’t trade w/in your division like that.

    Not to mention the 2.5 million they sent in the Lee trade can help them sign those picks.

  21. RalphieD (OPPC) July 10th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    cant wait for old timers game…im going! im so pumped

  22. Erin July 10th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    No Moose this year? :(

  23. Hector Lopez July 10th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Where’s Archie Moore ?

    Who remembers him from 64′-65′ ?

  24. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    I haven’t read any of the posts this morning, but I am still so disappointed we don’t have Lee. I don’t want to spend time being ticked at the M’s, but I am…… Man, I hope he doesn’t re-sign with the Rangers. It sounds like he really wants to play in NY and he has to know the Yankees just love him. If he can wait until the off-season, the Yankees will shower him with affection ($$$).

    As to last night, it was great to see Phil go into the break on a high note. I hope he blows the NL away, lol

  25. Hector Lopez July 10th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    And Bobby Richardson?

  26. blake July 10th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    G. Love,

    That’s very true and as I said I doubt that was much of a factor in why they decided to trade with Texas instead of the Yankees. Smoak is more of a sure thing than draft picks would be however.

    It is funny how GMs try to make the Yankees pay a Yankee premium for stuff but then whine when they outbid them for the players they want…instead of spreading some of their prospects to other teams by this trade…the end result will likely be that they still get the player they want this offseason and keep their prospects to boot.

  27. Hector Lopez July 10th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Tony Kubek ?

  28. Joe July 10th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    I’m truly sorry to see that Andy Stankiewicz will not be there. My high school literature teacher always used to ask me, “What in the hell is a ‘Stankiewicz’?”

  29. Hector Lopez July 10th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    # Joe July 10th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    I’m truly sorry to see that Andy Stankiewicz will not be there. My high school literature teacher always used to ask me, “What in the hell is a ‘Stankiewicz’?”
    =================================================

    Did you know his father was a pro boxer ? “fighting policeman” Al Stanky ( true )

  30. blake July 10th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Arod and Tex have 6 homers and 23 RBI during the Yankee 7 game winning streak…coincedence? I think not, if those two hit like they can in the 2nd half then the Yanks are going to win a lot of games and likely run away witj the division.

  31. G. Love July 10th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    blake,

    That’s the key. By not taking the Yankees deal, it does afford the chance to make the Yankees stronger.

    Now they can just sign Lee and keep Montero and the other kids. Granted we don’t have Lee now, but we also don’t know what Montero might be called upon to do this season.

    It’s not out of the realm of possibility that he helps the big club at some point this season.

    And Betsy, don’t worry about Texas signing Lee. They can’t afford him. They don’t have money to spend. They don’t have an owner in place. They’re not even close to selling the club.

    Where are they going to come up with 16-20 million per season Lee will be asking for?

    They don’t have it. He’s a rental no matter what they say in the press about hoping to resign him.

    Lee is going free agent and the Texas Rangers are not our competition for him.

    Frankly, I don’t know who is our competition for him especially since Cash and Hal will be motivated because they were burned by Seattle yesterday.

  32. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    I haven’t read the Post yet, but if it’s true that the Yankees won’t do business with the M’s again, I don’t blame them. I said this yesterday – and it’s not about Cash holding some kind of inane grudge. How can you do business with a team when you can’t trust them ? I’m sure the other teams are very happy with Seattle, but you know – if this happened to them or to even another team yesterday, they’d be annoyed. I hope the M’s fail miserably, I’m sorry – I do. Reading the details of how it all went down yesterday (in the Post), just made my blood boil.

    Back to Phil, I wonder how long his arm angle had been off – just those two bad recent starts? Since mid-May? It’s not like he had all bad games since mid-May, but either way – hopefully that was the problem. Phil as a young pitcher would be inclined to need a PC more than the others and, of course, Eiland knows him like a book. It’s odd that he’s not given up ANY HRs on the road – all 11 have been at home. I don’t think he’ll have a problem with YS in his career; the fact that he’s been giving up HRs to the Wises of the world tells me that he should be ok in terms of HRs once his location gets back to normal.

    Um, Rich – you can avert your gaze from me re: your Joba statement. Next time, try being clearer in what you’re trying to say. You said that Eiland hasn’t been able to fix Joba and so maybe someone else can do that job. LOL You dislike Eiland as a PC and you just suggested someone else – don’t blame me for thinking you want the guy fired.

  33. Hector Lopez July 10th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Where’s Ralph Terry, “Rollie” Sheldon, and Bill Stafford ?

  34. BP Oil Spill (Red Sox Fan) July 10th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    I’m soliciting sympathies from everyone:

    Feds: Cap could contain Gulf oil leak by Monday

    :(

  35. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    GLove, I’m really not worried- I really think Lee wants to be a Yankee. Obviously he has to be all happy about going to the Rangers in public, but given his previous comments and how CC talked about him being absolutey thrilled about coming here, he just has to wait out the rest of the season. I almost hope that, the first day that FA can sign, the Yankees blow Lee and everyone else out of the water with a great offer.

  36. RalphieD (OPPC) July 10th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    gotta love this quote

    “Other club officials also were irked about the Mariners’ actions. “It’s disappointing to hear that Jack shopped that around, that’s not right,” an executive from a team not directly involved in this trade said. “You don’t do that with any team and you don’t do it with the Yankees, because [GM Brian] Cashman will drop you in a heartbeat. You don’t use the Yankees because they never forget.”

  37. blake July 10th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Teams very rarely publically admit that a player is a rental…its not exactly good PR to tell your fans you just traded away a bunch of prospects for a player they have little chance to re-sign.

    Kinda like admitting you have no chance to win that year in spring training….doesn’t sound good.

  38. Joe July 10th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Hector Lopez July 10th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    # Joe July 10th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    I’m truly sorry to see that Andy Stankiewicz will not be there. My high school literature teacher always used to ask me, “What in the hell is a ‘Stankiewicz’?”
    =================================================

    Did you know his father was a pro boxer ? “fighting policeman” Al Stanky ( true )
    =================================================
    No, I didn’t know that. Is this the same Al Stanky who trained De La Hoya? Where was he from?

  39. Hector Lopez July 10th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    # blake July 10th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Arod and Tex have 6 homers and 23 RBI during the Yankee 7 game winning streak…coincedence? I think not, if those two hit like they can in the 2nd half then the Yanks are going to win a lot of games and likely run away witj the division.

    ====================================

    I’d rather they win it by ONE game over Tampa and “U know who” in 3rd. place !

    Makes em’ hungrier for title !

  40. the gay Yankee fan July 10th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    The next thing the Yankees and their fans have to worry about (yes, it does seem like there’s always something to worry about, doesn’t it?) is that the Rangers will completely blow out Cliff’s arm out knowing full well they will not have him after this year.

  41. blake July 10th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Betsy,

    I thought you were against the trade?

    Phil looked better last night huh? Better velocity and life on the fastball…better pitch selection IMO and better execution. He’s a strike throwing machine….threw some good curveballs also.

  42. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Ralphie, I love that quote…………….Cash would have every right to cross the M’s off his list as they simply acted in bad faith.

    Now, the good thing is that we still have Montero (who has only been offered up for great pitchers, so he won’t be traded now) and Adams. Adams can be used as a chip in another trade – for teams that don’t think ankle injuries are life-threatening, lol.

  43. Hector Lopez July 10th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    # Joe July 10th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Hector Lopez July 10th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    # Joe July 10th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    I’m truly sorry to see that Andy Stankiewicz will not be there. My high school literature teacher always used to ask me, “What in the hell is a ‘Stankiewicz’?”
    =================================================

    Did you know his father was a pro boxer ? “fighting policeman” Al Stanky ( true )
    =================================================
    No, I didn’t know that. Is this the same Al Stanky who trained De La Hoya? Where was he from?
    ===================================================

    He fought in L.A. Ca. Must have been, timing was right. He didn’t fight long.

  44. vblade July 10th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    # the gay Yankee fan July 10th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    The next thing the Yankees and their fans have to worry about (yes, it does seem like there’s always something to worry about, doesn’t it?) is that the Rangers will completely blow out Cliff’s arm out knowing full well they will not have him after this year.

    ——————————–

    His agent will file a grievance and the Player’s Union will step in before that can even happen.

  45. Fran (the original) and OPPC member July 10th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Smoak is more of a sure thing than draft picks would be however.
    **************************
    G Love and Blake,

    Smoak is already in the ML. Maybe that was a factor.

    I really was hoping that the Yankees got Lee yesterday. But in thinking about it they will probably get Lee in the off season anyway. As for possibly facing Texas and Lee in the playoffs, outside of Lee Texas does not have any other starter that scares me.

  46. BIG AL July 10th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    The Rangers go up for auction next week, so, we don’t know who the new owners will be. If the group led by Nolan Ryan get the team, don’t be surprised if they come up with the money to re-sign Lee. That all depends how Lee feels about Texas during his stay, and if he’d rather play for the Yankees with CC, and get that WS ring.

  47. vblade July 10th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Texas is built like Philly. One ace and an above average offense.

    Seems like we’ve beaten that type of team before. In the biggest stage.

  48. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Blake, I admit I had concerns about signing Lee in the offseason due to age and hesitation to do another big contract, but my logic got the better of me when I heard at 4:30 am on Thursday morning that we were close to getting Lee, lol. I wanted him badly at that point, though the idea of including Montero did make me somewhat uncomfortable. I hated how it all played out because I felt like I was teased – I mean the players were taking physicals. Ugh. In any case, if we get Lee next year, then it’s all worked out. I have had my concerns about the rotation…….I admit. The only real hesitation (aside from maybe Montero) I had was that Phil would possibly have been sent to the pen. IMO, that would have been inexcusable. It’s one thing to do that late in the season, but another at the beginning of July.

    LOL I missed some of the game because I dozed off, but I taped it and am going to watch it in full today. Phil looked a lot better – it was nice for him to go into the All-Star break on a high. I’ve been concerned about him because this is the first time started for an extended streak for awhile and you always wonder about the effects of fatigue on a young pitcher.

    He needs to use that curve more …………and that change. He will be a hugely dangerous pitcher in the future if he has those pitches in his repertoire in addition to his FB/cutter. I don’t want him to turn into an AJ (who I adore personally) where he’s got 2 pitches and struggles when one of them is off.

  49. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    I thought these were 2 interesting articles on Phil – both from the Wall Street Journal, lol:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/.....lenews_wsj

  50. Fran (the original) and OPPC member July 10th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    RalphieD,

    I loved that quote too. Don’t mess with the Yankees :)

  51. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    http://online.wsj.com/article/.....98290.html

  52. Joe July 10th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    I’m very curious to see how Cashman & Co. handle the Hughes situation as the season progresses. Currently, he’s on a pace to exceed 190 IP for the season, a number that I’m sure scares some. It seems to me that the team imposed a CYA approach with the Joba Rules last year by strictly limiting his IP without recognizing the difference in the types of IP he was throwing, the number of pitches, the physical make-up of the pitcher, and other factors. In other words, I don’t believe that one size fits all when protecting young arms. This is not to say that young arms aren’t highly vulnerable to overuse and abuse (see Gooden, Tanana, Feller, Blue, Saberhagen to name a few), but I firmly believe that each should be approached on a case-by-case basis. I worked directly with Orthopedic surgeons for 10 years and frequenlty broached this subject and one of the most frequent responses as to why some pitchers ultimately break down and others do not was that some individuals have a greater amount of collagen in their joints than others. Nonetheless, extreme overuse at a young age can still have seriously detrimental effects.
    In Hughes case, we’re speaking about a big, 6’5″ 24 y/o whose efficiency has improved dramatically this year (lower pitch-count innings). He’s not on a pace to throw 270 IP (ie–Gooden threw 277 IP at age 21 y/o, 250 IP at 22 y/o, etc.). I think it would be an overreaction for the club to start skipping his turn in the rotation every other start, moving him to the pen, or limiting his starts to 80 pitches or 3 IP or any other generic standard that the front office can create. Girardi & Co. should have some discretionary ability in this decision based upon their own judgement.
    Best Regards, sorry about being long-winded.

  53. blake July 10th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Texas could be dangerous in a short series with Lee but they have to make the post season first and I still don’t think that’s a foregone conclusion. That team is very prone to long slumps and the Angels always scrap to the end.

  54. BIG AL July 10th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Betsy,
    If Phil develops a good change-up, and uses it effectively, as AJ did his last start, he will only get better. He will become a 4 pitch pitcher, and should grow into a #2 starter.

  55. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    I just read that Phil was hitting 94 on his last pitch…………..3 of his last pitches, lol -and he was at 109 pitches. That’s pretty darn impressive.

  56. Joe July 10th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Hector Lopez July 10th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    # Joe July 10th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Hector Lopez July 10th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
    # Joe July 10th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    I’m truly sorry to see that Andy Stankiewicz will not be there. My high school literature teacher always used to ask me, “What in the hell is a ‘Stankiewicz’?”
    =================================================

    Did you know his father was a pro boxer ? “fighting policeman” Al Stanky ( true )
    =================================================
    No, I didn’t know that. Is this the same Al Stanky who trained De La Hoya? Where was he from?
    ===================================================

    He fought in L.A. Ca. Must have been, timing was right. He didn’t fight long.
    =====================================================
    That would make sense as Stanky grew up in Southern California and went to Pepperdine.

  57. Fran (the original) and OPPC member July 10th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    I saw that Lee’s ERA is over 4.00 in Texas. It is his highest ERA of any of the ballparks he pitched in. Be interesting how he fares in his new home.

  58. MTU (aka GBURL) July 10th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Vblade-

    For me Texas job is to knock TB out in the first round of the playoffs.

    Much rather face them than the Rays.

    They are not a strong team in a seven game series especially when we are likely to have HFA. :)

  59. blake July 10th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Betsy,

    Lol, I kinda had the same reaction when I first saw Montero’s name in there….I was like “NO!”…then I got to thinking about how great a playoff rotation that would have been and it went to “YES!”…..then back to “NO!” again when I found out it was off

    I’m now back to indifferent and glad we still have Montero and can sign Cliff in the offseason.

  60. BIG AL July 10th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Detroit could be a very tough 1st round team to face, pick your poison, but, I’d rather face Texas in the first round, and have the rays face detroit.

  61. MTU (aka GBURL) July 10th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Blake-

    But keeping Jesus means that the Yankees insurance costs have now gone up again.

    It costs a lot to insure against the kind of damage Montero can do to
    free standing objects and sundry other things. :)

  62. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Joe, the Yanks won’t give Phil a PC limit in his games nor will they yank him from games he’s doing well in just because of his innings limit – no worries there. I know he’s a strapping kid, but his arm is still his arm -as he said recently, he may be like a Ryan who didn’t need limits or maybe he doe – you don’t know. The Yanks are going to be careful with him – but not overly so. I admit, though, that this skipping thing is not as easy as it sounds. He pitched terribly against Seattle at home – now, I didn’t chalk that up to the innings limit as I think Phil was building up to that kind of performance for awhile, but I do think it had something to do with it. The constant skippping is not going to help him, though it will keep him rested. I hope the Yanks get their skipping out of the way by August so Phil can just pitch through until September (so he can stay in routine).

  63. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Big Al, I think Phil will be a #1 (no #2 for him, lol) if he gets his curve down again……….I don’t think he needs a GREAT changeup to be a stud, but a merely good one would give him more options.

  64. MTU (aka GBURL) July 10th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Big AL-

    That possibility can’t happen. I assume that TB will be the WC team.

    The Division leader (us) and the WC team can’t play each other if they are from the same division.

    Therefore TB would have to play someone like Texas, and we would play the Central division champ.

  65. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Blake, that’s just how I felt……….Sob, lol. Better to have loved and lost than not to have loved at all, right? No – it was not better to almost have Lee than to have NOT almost had Lee. As I said before, I hope the Yankees throw $$$$ at him on the first day FA can sign and show Lee that they aren’t fooling around.

    Fran, Lee won’t be facing the Rangers, though………….

  66. Tar July 10th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Last turn through the rotation.

    Javy 7ip 3h 1ER Win
    CC 7.2ip 7h 1er Win
    Aj 7ip 5h 2er Win
    Andy 8ip 5h 1er Win
    Phil 7ip 6h 1er Win

    Lee was a luxury, not a necessity.

    I wanted lee, but not for Montero. Especially with no extension involved. My guess Seattle will regret their decision.

  67. BIG AL July 10th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Betsy, Barring us getting Lee next season, I’m talking about Phil being a #2 next season, behind CC, not in his entire career. I do realize Phil has the ability to become a #1.

  68. Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    To Burnett’s credit, he threw quite a few change ups in his last outing and he looked as sharp as he had all season. That was a really effective pitch for him against Oakland.

    However, to Burnett’s discredit, it took a dominant outing from King Felix against the Yanks last week for Burnett to start using it. That’s especially strange since all four of his rotation mates have the change up in their repertoire and three of the four use it regularly (Sabathia, Vazquez, and Pettitte) and have very good success with it.

    Better late than never, I suppose. Let’s just hope he doesn’t forget to throw it in the second half.

  69. BIG AL July 10th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) July 10th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    _____________________________________________________

    If Detroit winds up with a better record than Texas, we’d play the team will the worst record, and the WC would play the team with the better record, no?

  70. MTU (aka GBURL) July 10th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    True Al, but I was referring to things as they stand now and projecting forward.

    An assumption I know. :)

  71. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    LOL Big AL – if he’s a #2 type next year, that would be fantastic.

    By the way, how’s Ace doing? I’m surprised he got another epidural at this point; I would think he’d just want the surgery to get this over with.

  72. Fran (the original) and OPPC member July 10th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Fran, Lee won’t be facing the Rangers, though………….
    ***********************
    Hi Betsy,

    Guess I had brain freeze there. I was thinking that he gives up a lot of runs in Texas. But I wasn’t thinking that it was against the Rangers. Duh. And this was after I had my morning coffee :)

  73. blake July 10th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    MTU,

    That’s very true and ultimately could have been what doomed the deal…the M’s may not have thought they could afford all the damage he would cause.

  74. yanksfansince67 July 10th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    assuming divisions play out similar to where they are now, wouldn’t Yanks draw central division winner in the first round? Lee is less scary in a 7-game series.

    Mariners wanted Smoak from the get go, and when Texas gave in, they went with the deal they preferred. Still sleazy, but if Cash had done the same thing, or something similar, (Texiera, etc.) we would think he was adept.

    It’s funny though how the perception was if the Yanks had gotten Lee by trading top prospects it was still a case of them buying the championship. (MLB Network, etc.)
    Sill would love to see Montero and some other prospects get called up, rotating with the Russos and Penas, but I realize options are finite. WIsh Weber and Winfree lasted long enough for a shot.

  75. Joe July 10th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Betsy – Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
    Joe, the Yanks won’t give Phil a PC limit in his games nor will they yank him from games he’s doing well in just because of his innings limit – no worries there. I know he’s a strapping kid, but his arm is still his arm -as he said recently, he may be like a Ryan who didn’t need limits or maybe he doe – you don’t know. The Yanks are going to be careful with him – but not overly so. I admit, though, that this skipping thing is not as easy as it sounds. He pitched terribly against Seattle at home – now, I didn’t chalk that up to the innings limit as I think Phil was building up to that kind of performance for awhile, but I do think it had something to do with it. The constant skippping is not going to help him, though it will keep him rested. I hope the Yanks get their skipping out of the way by August so Phil can just pitch through until September (so he can stay in routine).
    ===========================================================
    Frankly, my biggest concern is that the team doesn’t do with Phil what they did with Joba last year. Pre-determined PC’s, IP limits, skipping starts all based upon an inflexible set of “Joba Rules” (Note: The team has imposed similar “rules” upon a number of their more promising minor league arms like Betances, Banuelos, McAllister, and others, many of whom still have developed significant arm issues). I apologize if I’m being redundant, but I hope the team simply recognizes the differences in the individuals and doesn’t overreact in a CYA manner. Personally, I think the team could throw him for a full schedule of starts (approx. 30-32 for a back-end rotation starter) and continue to have him pitch relatively deep into games. His control has been such whereas he rarely has exceptionally long innings (certainly a problem with Joba). And, of course, there is little reason to push him thru 7 or 8 IP in an 8-1 game (something Girardi has not done). All in all, I think he could pitch a full schedule under his current conditions without undue risk.
    Cheers

  76. MTU (aka GBURL) July 10th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Blake-

    The Yankees are much better equipped to deal with the problem. :)

  77. mick July 10th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Someone once said they don’t like Lee cause he was too old.
    I don’t remember who that was but they have changed their mind again.

  78. NYYanksFan July 10th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    “Arod and Tex have 6 homers and 23 RBI during the Yankee 7 game winning streak…coincedence? I think not, if those two hit like they can in the 2nd half then the Yanks are going to win a lot of games and likely run away witj the division.”

    The Yankees have too much offense without those 2 to be so reliant on just them.

    One of the best things about last years team was how many contributed. Almost everyone had over 20 HRs and big hits. This year they count too much on 3,4,5.

  79. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Fran, I’ve had a few brain freezes in my life, lol. Lee is a great pitcher – I’m sure he’ll do well there. I hope he hates it, just to double ensure he doesn’t re-sign, lol

  80. the gay Yankee fan July 10th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    The Texas lineup can beat your brains out before you even know it. They’re a dangerous team.

    I’d rather play Detroit first round eventhough they’re probably no picnic either. Also, don’t overlook the White Sox. They’re only a few games out and can take over the Central by the time the season ends.

    We don’t match up well against the Rays. They run like crazy and we have no defense against that.

    Getting to the WS this year will not be easy (it never was but this year seems more difficult).

  81. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    ed_price
    Re: #Yankees whining about #Mariners: They ignored David Wells’ handshake deal with Arizona to sign him in ’02. Goes around, comes around.

    ****

    What a jerk, lol, even though it’s true.

  82. Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Meh, the White Sox scare me about as much as a new born kitten.

    Texas can score runs, but they do get exposed by good pitching. And the Yanks have always had their number.

    I’d prefer to face Texas than Detroit.

  83. MTU (aka GBURL) July 10th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    GYF-

    The playoffs are a crapshoot.

    Short series contests are all about who is the hottest team at the time.

    The hottest team usually wins. Not necessarily the best team.

    And dominant pitching sure doesn’t hurt either. :)

  84. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    We’ve beaten the Rays before – there’s no team we can’t beat. I’m not worried (way too early anyway) about who we’d be facing if we make the playoffs……….

  85. Joe July 10th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    MTU (aka GBURL) July 10th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    GYF-

    The playoffs are a crapshoot.

    Short series contests are all about who is the hottest team at the time.

    The hottest team usually wins. Not necessarily the best team.

    And dominant pitching sure doesn’t hurt either.
    ===================================================
    Bingo…give that man a prize.

  86. Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    ed_price
    Re: #Yankees whining about #Mariners: They ignored David Wells’ handshake deal with Arizona to sign him in ‘02. Goes around, comes around.

    ———–

    That’s dumb logic because that scenario was on Wells. He’s the guy who backed out of a handshake deal – not the Yankees.

    The Yankees aren’t upset with Texas because they swooped in with a deal the M’s like more. They are upset because the M’s weaseled out of the deal.

    The D-Backs should have been upset with Wells – not the Yanks.

  87. Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    # MTU (aka GBURL) July 10th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    GYF-

    The playoffs are a crapshoot.

    Short series contests are all about who is the hottest team at the time.

    The hottest team usually wins. Not necessarily the best team.

    And dominant pitching sure doesn’t hurt either. :)

    ——–

    Yes, I’m well aware of that.

    But the playoffs is all about pitching, too. Texas has Lee but nothing else. The Yanks can counter with Sabathia and has much more rotation depth behind him.

  88. Nick in SF July 10th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Pffft, the Yankees were not a party to any handshake deal between David Wells and Arizona.

  89. Nick in SF July 10th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Or: what GF said.

  90. Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Oops, sorry, MTU.

    Just realized you weren’t addressing me with that last post.

  91. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Reading Joel Sherman’s article today stings -because the Yankees were soooooo close to acquiring a guy who could have put them thisclose to another title.

  92. MTU (aka GBURL) July 10th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    GF-

    That post was actually directed at Gay Yankees Fan (GYF).

    But we certainly agree about the importance of dominant Pitching. :)

  93. mick July 10th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    The Yanks must have known Texas was involved.
    I’m sure Seattle gave us one last chance to “throw in” Nunez to top their offer.
    Wonder what happened to Minn. and their catcher prospect?

  94. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    GF, that’s a good point……..now I’m more annoyed at Ed Price, lol

  95. mick July 10th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Short series contests are all about who is the hottest team at the time.
    —————————
    Which is why we don’t want to go up against Lee in the ALDS. Imagine if the Twins got him?
    Or Det or Chi, for that matter.

  96. Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Which is why we don’t want to go up against Lee in the ALDS. Imagine if the Twins got him?
    Or Det or Chi, for that matter.

    ———–

    But they didn’t.

    Right now, the Twins, Detroit, and Chicago all have better rotations than Texas – with or without Lee.

  97. mick July 10th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    A 5 game series involving Lee would be scary.

  98. blake July 10th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    “The Yankees have too much offense without those 2 to be so reliant on just them.

    One of the best things about last years team was how many contributed. Almost everyone had over 20 HRs and big hits. This year they count too much on 3,4,5.”

    Eh, if that were totally true then they wouldn’t have the best record in baseball despite “down years” from 2 of those 3 guys.

    I think the walk off wins from last year are overstated. Sure they were great, but it also meant they were behind in a lot of games that they were fortunate to win. This year’s team has better starting pitching and is better defensively. Also, they had nobody in the lineup last season that could create havoc on the bases like Gardner can and Cano and Swisher are both having career years.

    All I was trying to say is that they have been doing fine without normal production from Arod and Tex…if they round into form and produce to their norms then look for the Yankees to have a monster 2nd half.

  99. Fran (the original) and OPPC member July 10th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Anybody have a 3D-TV to watch tonight’s game?

    I heard on the broadcast last night that CC does, but since he’s at the ballpark his TV doesn’t really matter.

  100. Joe July 10th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    I don’t know how many realize this, but there is a great deal of irony between this Cliff Lee deal and the first time he was traded (Montreal to Cleveland). In both cases, the middling, mid-level financial team dealt an impending premium FA pitcher for a number of well-regarded prospects. In both cases, the premium pitcher was dealt to a contending team (no surprise) that was in serious financial peril and subject to increased control over its financial operations by MLB.
    The ultimate results we all know: Bartolo Colon finished off a 20 win season in Montreal, signed a 1 year deal with the Pale Hose and then subsequently a premium deal the Halos where he won a Cy Young but ultimately ate his way out of effectiveness just 3 years after the deal at age 31 y/o. I doubt that Lee will follow Big Bart’s gastronomical habits, but he’s 3 years older at the time of this trade.
    I do think we will sign him this off-season and he will be a good pitcher for several more seasons, but I have no illusions that this is the back half of his career and that his reputation for success was based upon the front-half.

  101. Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Mick,

    The Twins couldn’t beat the Yanks in a 5-game series when Johan Santana was the beast of MLB.

    I don’t think Texas can beat the Yanks in any playoff series.

  102. Paco Dooley July 10th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    How on earth does Homer Bush make it into old timers’ day? Why not Kevin Maas if we are opening the doors to just anyone. The guy played 64 games as a Yankee. At Least Maas played nearly 400 games in NY.

  103. Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Kevin Maas has been to at least one Old Timer’s Day. Maybe two.

  104. Tar July 10th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Paco

    Who’s next Neon Deion?

  105. blake July 10th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    I agree that facing the Rangers in a 5 game series now would be no walk in the park. Lee would pitch 2 of the 5 games and that team can really swing the bats at times. That said, I’d much rather he have wound up in Texas than the Twins, Rays, or Red Sox because all 3 of those teams have much better rotations that would go along with Cliff.

  106. RS July 10th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    I’m not too worried about Texas. They may have Cliff Lee, but the Yankees have a ton of confidence in their own ace, Sabathia. Didn’t CC have one his most dominant outings against Texas this year (a rain-shortened game)? The Yankees swept the Rangers this year and I can’t remember the last time they lost a series to them. Hughes has manhandled them twice in their stadium.

  107. Tar July 10th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    GF please tell me Neon has never been invited.

  108. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/newy.....id=5368881

    Hughes is an All-Star, but he was getting steadily worse this season until Friday night. In April, he was 2-0 with a 2.00 ERA. In May, he was 4-1 with 3.03 ERA. In June, he was 4-1 with a 5.17 ERA. In his first start in July, he lasted six innings and gave up five runs.

    *********

    Now this is just silly. Phil had a bad June, but a 3.00 ERA is outstanding; was he supposed to pitch to a 2 ERA all year?

    It still bugs me that the Yankees were considering putting him in the pen for the rest of the year had they gotten Lee………….

  109. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    The Sox were never going to get Lee and I never thought the Rays would. Sherman’s article stings because the Yankees thought that a Lee acquisition would put them in just ridiculously good position to win another ring……..

  110. Giuseppe Franco July 10th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    # Tar July 10th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    GF please tell me Neon has never been invited.

    ————

    Can’t tell you whether he’s even been invited or not, but I could see why he would never accept.

  111. mick July 10th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    I’d like to see Bobby Richardson and Tony Kubek again but they never seem to get there, esp. Kubek.

  112. Everyone sucks except SJ and CB and Doreen July 10th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Hughes was never going to the pen. Thats the media needing to fill more words in their colums. Vazquez was going to be dealt for a bat.

  113. David Lee July 10th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Yankees thought that a Lee acquisition would put them in just ridiculously good position to win another ring……

    ###

    Same feeling here. Imagine 2 beasts for 4 or 5 games a series, with Andy and Burnett also :(

  114. Tar July 10th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    In another memorable carlton Fisk incident, pro-football and pro-baseball player Deion Sanders, then with the Yankees, hit a pop fly, and declined to run to first base, suspecting that the ball would be easily caught. Fisk yelled at Sanders to run the ball out and told Sanders during his next at-bat, “If you don’t play it [the game] right, I’m going to kick your ass right here.”

    Does anybody else remember this game? I do. Probably the only time Yankees fans ever applauded Fisk, and booed one of thier own. I know I did.

  115. BD (Boston Dave) July 10th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    “I saw that Lee’s ERA is over 4.00 in Texas. It is his highest ERA of any of the ballparks he pitched in.”

    —————-

    but what is his ERA there since he turned his career around in 2008?

    His stats prior to 2008 are almost meaningless at this point.

  116. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Everyone sucks – possibly; lol I guess it’s all moot now.

  117. blake July 10th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Lackey on his way to another mediocre- poor outing. For all the talk about AJ and his contract, Lackey has been just as mediocre for virtually the same amount of money.

  118. Everyone sucks except SJ and CB and Doreen July 10th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    yeah..it is moot. and when it’s time to think about it again, we’ll only be wondering who #5 is.

  119. BD (Boston Dave) July 10th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    ““I saw that Lee’s ERA is over 4.00 in Texas. It is his highest ERA of any of the ballparks he pitched in.”

    —————-

    but what is his ERA there since he turned his career around in 2008?

    His stats prior to 2008 are almost meaningless at this point.”

    ———————–

    I checked it out. He HAS struggled a bit in Arlington since the beginning of 2008.

    He’s only pitched there 3 times and has 2 wins but two of his starts he did get hit pretty badly.

    Though, earlier this season he threw a complete game with only 2 runs allowed.

    But as Betsy said, he doesn’t have to face that Texas offense this time :)

    Still, going from Seattle’s spacious park with the best defensive OF to Texas isn’t going to help. Though, it should help him get wins going from perhaps the worst offense in the league to one of the best.

  120. BD (Boston Dave) July 10th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    “Lackey on his way to another mediocre- poor outing. For all the talk about AJ and his contract, Lackey has been just as mediocre for virtually the same amount of money.”

    —————-

    I don’t dispute that.

    But this game, he was just missing his spots in the 1st inning which caused him to fall behind in counts and have to throw meatballs.

    Lackey still generally has good control of his pitches and can put the pitch pretty close to where he wants it. I think he’ll have to adapt his style as he becomes less of a power pitcher over the course of his current contract.

    I certainly don’t think he’ll be as good as he was for the Angels and few teams can afford to pay that kind of money for slightly above average results…. but the Yanks and Sox can.

  121. Billy D July 10th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    “but the Yanks and Sox can.”

    And have.

  122. blake July 10th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    BD,

    Yea I agree. They are totally different pitchers. Lackey’s control probably leads to him being more consistent but in the end their 2 different styles will most likely lead to about the same place numbers wise.

    I think Lackey’s diminished stuff is just as much a problem as AJ’s hit or miss command is. I was just pointing out that AJ’s contract seems to get more bad press because of the nature of his bad outings.

  123. bardos July 10th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    obviously Lee did not have a no-trade clause. I don’t think any pitcher can be happy to pitch in Rangers Stadium. Isn’t it one of the most notoriously hitter-friendly parks in baseball? he may get bummed out there.

  124. whatever July 10th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    I’m still really bummed out cause even though I think Lee will be a Yankee next year I really was excited about the prospects of a CC, Lee, Pettitte rotation in a short series..if Pettitte retires Lee’s just his replacement.. would have been nice to see all 3 together.

  125. blake July 10th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    I don’t Andy will retire.

  126. Brian July 10th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    I need to get to an Old Timer’s day one of these days….

    But, until then, what moves do you guys think the Yanks might make now????

    Can you guys see the Yanks trading for Jayson Werth somehow?? Idk, now that we need Javy.

  127. Billy D July 10th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    “I don’t think any pitcher can be happy to pitch in Rangers Stadium”

    Rangers pitching has pitched to a 3.69 ERA in Texas and 4.28 on the road. If you’re good, you can pitch anywhere. Lee’s an Arkansas guy. Seriously doubt he’s too disturbed about being in Texas.

  128. blake July 10th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    I honestly thought Werth was a faint possibility if the Lee trade had went through. I don’t see any way in the world it could happen now. I’m hoping they can pry Willingham away from the Nats without giving up too much.

  129. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    I think the rotation has ? in the playoffs beyond CC and Andy. AJ is up and down, Phil was bad in the post-season last year and who knows how he’ll be doing by the end of the year and I don’t believe Javy has good post-season #s.

  130. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    If Lee re-signs with the Rangers, that is going to throw the Yankees plans for next year into chaos………….That said, I doubt he’s going just because he’s from Arkansas

  131. Billy D July 10th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    “Can you guys see the Yanks trading for Jayson Werth somehow?? Idk, now that we need Javy.”

    Don’t think Werth was going to happen even if they got Lee. They don’t need much. A multi faceted right handed bat, sort of like Jerry Hairston, would be nice for the bench, but this team is in good shape and will survive just fine with or without it.

  132. Billy D July 10th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    “I’m hoping they can pry Willingham away from the Nats without giving up too much.”

    Competition for Willingham will be too stiff to get him cheaply. That’s if the Nats are even willing to let him go, which lately doesn’t seem likely.

  133. whatever July 10th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    The yankees plan in the off season

    1- Sign Lee
    2- Sign Crawford
    3- Trade Granderson
    4- Sign Pettitte
    5- Sign Rivera
    6- LET JETER GO, trade Montero for Tulowitski

  134. blake July 10th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Billy D,

    agree on both of those fronts regarding Willingham. Its not likely they get him.

  135. rb July 10th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    “I think the walk off wins from last year are overstated. Sure they were great, but it also meant they were behind in a lot of games that they were fortunate to win. This year’s team has better starting pitching and is better defensively. Also, they had nobody in the lineup last season that could create havoc on the bases like Gardner can and Cano and Swisher are both having career years.”

    blake, I absolutely agree. BUT, while it is a career year for Swisher, I think Cano is just starting to realize his potential. And with Swish, well who knows? Given that he has made the adjustments he’s made, he’s like a different player. That deal with Chicago looks better and better and we were just thrilled to get rid of Betemit!

  136. whatever July 10th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Does it bother anyone else that Jeter appears to be done having one of teh worst seasons of his career?

    Does it bother anyone else that Granderson has the ability to steal 30 bases every year and he only has 4?

  137. blake July 10th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    rb,

    Agree. I think Swisher can keep this up as long as he doesn’t allow himself to fall back into old habits with his swing and as long as he keeps himself in the top shape he’s gotten himself into.

    With Cano, this could just be who he is as a player now. He’s talented enough to do this every year and that talent has always been there.

  138. Brian July 10th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    “The yankees plan in the off season

    1- Sign Lee
    2- Sign Crawford
    3- Trade Granderson
    4- Sign Pettitte
    5- Sign Rivera
    6- LET JETER GO, trade Montero for Tulowitski”

    You seemed normal and sane until i got to #6

    Now, i ask, what the heck are you thinking??? LOL 1) Jeter is STILL the best shortstop in the game and the face of this franchise. AND the most clutch hitter you’ll ever get. if our season is on the line, i want Jeter up there more than anyone else.

    Also, If Jesus Montero comes close to the hiter Tulowitzki ever is, i think we will all be happy. Therefore, the Rockies will NOT trade him for Montero. ESPECIALLY since they have Ianetta.
    (Good try though) HAHAHA

  139. Tar July 10th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Whatever

    NO. BUT I DO GET LOT”S OF SATISFACTION KNOWING IT BOTHERS YOU.

  140. Fran (the original) and OPPC member July 10th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    That said, I doubt he’s going just because he’s from Arkansas
    ***************************
    Betsy,

    I agree. Lebron is from Cleveland and he left. IMO Lee will go where the money is and he has the best chance to win.

  141. keepin it real! July 10th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    please send Alex a letter asking him to demand Boras to get the Rangers pay him his money owed, before they try to deal Cliff in postseason. Boras should demand that some of that money comes to Alex first Nolan said they will try to sign Cliff and he think they can get the money.

  142. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    John Manual on some Yankee pitchers.

    Question: With Brackman, Betances, Noesi, Warren, Stoneburner, Gary Sanchez, and several other Yankees prospects (Laird, David Adams, etc) having really strong years, why were the Yankees not considered one of the rising organizations? Montero despite a down season thus far is still very highly regarded. I was just surprised they did not receive more credit considering they have had some really strong seasons from many of their prospects. Is it fair to say the Yankees system has increased its standing this season? Thank you

    John Manuel: You make some good points and I would say it has been more good than bad this year for the Yanks’ farm system. I would counter Warren and Stoneburner are not elite guys; you left out David Phelps, who’s probably a better prospect than either of them, and has had a nice year. Sanchez just was getting started in the GCL when we were doing this; I like Noesi a lot but he’s a back-of-the-rotation guy. You left out Brandon Laird, who’s gone from org guy/4A talent to second-division regular in most scouts’ estimations. Also, the Yanks’ No. 1 prospect, Montero, was having a poor season; Banuelos has been hurt; Bleich was bad, then hurt. Montero’s poor season probably weighed on my mind more than it should have when considering “up” orgs.
    ****

    LOL and he conveniently forgets about Romine. Banuelos was recovering from an appendectomy for pete’s sake – he didn’t have TJ surgery

  143. Bib Fortuna July 10th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    If they trade Jeter, who will eat the biryani served during the after-game buffets? Who? Tell me please?

  144. mick July 10th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    NO. BUT I DO GET LOT”S OF SATISFACTION KNOWING IT BOTHERS YOU.
    ===========

    Nice.

  145. Betsy - Hughes rules (pleading the Fifth) July 10th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Fran, he definitely seems to love playing in NY, so the combo of that, the $$ and the fact that he has good friends on the team makes it a natural fit.

  146. Fran (the original) and OPPC member July 10th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Betsy, I agree. I think that if the Yankees want Lee, he will be here next season.

  147. Hector Lopez July 10th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) July 10th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    “I saw that Lee’s ERA is over 4.00 in Texas. It is his highest ERA of any of the ballparks he pitched in.”
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    I see these kind of numbers talked about when a player gets traded all the time.

    These kind of stats are meaningless, he’s only facing one team in that ballpark when visiting ( Rangers )

    Just the same as a hitter having a poor avg. in a certain away stadium, he’s only facing one pitching staff in that park.


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