One more step forward for Vazquez
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on Jul 11, 2010 
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Javier Vazquez said he never thought about a no-hitter last night. He had one until a two-out infield single in the sixth inning, but Vazquez said he never thought about it. How long would he have to go to start thinking about it?
“I haven’t gotten that far yet, so I don’t know,” he said.
At the end of April, there was no reason to consider the no-hitter possibilities. Vazquez wasn’t flirting with milestones, he was having his turn skipped, and the Yankees top pitching addition looked like a bust.
Since the end of May, though, it’s pretty easy to argue Vazquez has been the Yankees second-best starter. The Yankees needed him to bring stability to the back of the rotation, and he’s certainly done that.
“I feel good,” Vazquez said. “Especially the way I started, to get all that behind me and move forward. That’s something I feel good about.”
Here’s Vazquez after last night’s game.
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You were the bright spot last night Javy.
Fantastic job.
Javy = good. Joba = not so much.
i would also agree with the point that at this point, Javy has been the second best starter in the rotation for the past month and a half. Followed closely by Pettitte and Hughes.
Sunny have you forgotten about CC? He’s been dominating the last few weeks. Actually at this point it’s just a beautiful thing that we can be having a discussion about who’s throwing best out of the Yankee starters and all 5 names can come up. Just beautiful.
We have a shot at having all 5 starters with 15+ wins. Amazing.
There are a lot of situations where you can play for 1 run in a game, its very difficult to play for 3. But the yankees didnt even get one, so its a moot point.
no rj – CC is the first… Javy 2nd.
plain and simple joba stinks…..maybe Sea would have taken JM & JC in exchange for Lee
MLBTR said: Yankees signed 18-year-old Colombian catcher Alfredo Castellon Jr.
Anyone have any info on Castellon?
Oh, you didn’t mention him by name, but I reread it, I get it. He doesn’t need to be mentioned by name!
rj July 11th, 2010 at 9:38 am
We have a shot at having all 5 starters with 15+ wins. Amazing.
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BTW, anyone know if this has ever happened?
Pettitte has allowed more than 3 runs in a game 3 times in 17 starts and that’s 4 runs in one game and 6 in one and 7 in the other. This year, nobody has been as consistantly good as Pettitte. Nobody matches that on this team. Nobody has allowed fewer runs as a starter and only Hughes has fewer walks. The team Cy Young at this time is Pettitte. I’ll go with Pettitte until further notice. Sabathia has 5 such games in 1 more start.
joba is a waste….he’ll never be a good enough starter & he can’t handle the 8th inning job…package JM & JC and see what they could get back
I don’t know what it will take for Cashman/Girardi to send Joba down but I’m pretty certain it needs to happen. He’s not a very good pitcher.
This was a guy that was supposed to be a #2 starter and he’s got almost a 6 ERA and 1.50 WHIP as a setup man. Just not good enough.
I’m not saying I know who the better option is, maybe Robertson. This pen is really their Achilles heal. I think Joba could reemerge but he needs to work on locating pitches, in low leverage spots.
joeman July 11th, 2010 at 9:55 am
joba is a waste….he’ll never be a good enough starter & he can’t handle the 8th inning job…package JM & JC and see what they could get back
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a liitle too early to be trolling, isn’t it, Tulip? Especially just before you go to Sunday School?
# GreenBeret7 July 11th, 2010 at 10:00 am
joeman July 11th, 2010 at 9:55 am
joba is a waste….he’ll never be a good enough starter & he can’t handle the 8th inning job…package JM & JC and see what they could get back
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a liitle too early to be trolling, isn’t it, Tulip? Especially just before you go to Sunday School?
so no it all what would you do with joba ?
Good Sunday morning –
I give Joe credit for sticking by his players. It’s easy to say “Get rid of Joba”, but who are you going to turn to? I think Joe is looking big picture- 7 game winning streak and best record in baseball – if you’re not going to use this as an opportunity to try ang get Joba straightened out, then when? Granted, you can’t keep this up indefinitely, that’s not fair to the other players. But, I think this was a game where you’re playing with house money a little bit, so you can afford to take a chance.
But Joba sure can be frustrating.
A case could be made for Joba Chamberlain being no more trustworthy than Kyle Farnsworth was.
Just saw on twitter, Bob Sheppard passed away this morning
. RIP.
GB7 seems too have no problem giving pettitte credit for his stats but defending joba for his bad stats?
“Pettitte has allowed more than 3 runs in a game 3 times in 17 starts and that’s 4 runs in one game and 6 in one and 7 in the other. This year, nobody has been as consistantly good as Pettitte. Nobody matches that on this team. Nobody has allowed fewer runs as a starter and only Hughes has fewer walks. The team Cy Young at this time is Pettitte. I’ll go with Pettitte until further notice. Sabathia has 5 such games in 1 more start”.
You get it done or you don’t.
If you don’t you will be replaced.
How come hughes had no problem putting great numbers up in the 8th last year?
NYY626 July 11th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Just saw on twitter, Bob Sheppard passed away this morning . RIP
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Sad sad day, the real voice of the Yankees & Yankee Stadium.
I doubt too many teams are begging the Yankees for Joba and his rapidly ballooning ERA. Yes, the talent is there, but the execution clearly is not. Yes, the Yankees have the best record in baseball, but they are also in the toughest division in baseball and can’t afford to have Joba blow leads repeatedly in games they could, and should win.
The definition of stupidity is repeating the same actions over and over, and expecting a different result. Time to try another 8th inning guy; bring some guys up from Scranton to try to bolster the pen and maybe one of them will get hot. But continuing to use Joba in this spot is, IMO, a big mistake.
Good morning.
As I said last night, Joba’s performance was disappointing but most Closers are more Joba than Mo so maybe Yankee fans have become a little spoiled when it comes to what is normal or customary from bullpen arms.
If they were consistent and really good, they would probably be starters.
joeman July 11th, 2010 at 10:04 am
# GreenBeret7 July 11th, 2010 at 10:00 am
joeman July 11th, 2010 at 9:55 am
joba is a waste….he’ll never be a good enough starter & he can’t handle the 8th inning job…package JM & JC and see what they could get back
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a liitle too early to be trolling, isn’t it, Tulip? Especially just before you go to Sunday School?
so no it all what would you do with joba ?
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The first thing I’d do is trade you for an old cat or have you adopted by gypsies. If they won’t take you, I’d send you to day care.
By the way…..it’s “Know-It-All”.
Javy has been excellent… 2.55 ERA his last eight starts.
Hard to see all five starts getting to 15 wins. Javy and AJ each have just seven and we’re past the midway point of the season.
Joba has been frustrating, but 28 of his 39 outings have been scoreless. Five of the eleven games he’s been charged with runs have involved just one run. Yeah, he’s crapped in the bed six times, but calling him garbage is wrong, childish and classless.
RIP, Bob Sheppard. What a shame he was never able to introduce the players in the new Yankee Stadium.
Good morning GB, Joe.
I’ll take a contract right now for the long and fulfilling life Mr. Sheppard lived. RIP.
The bottom line is joba should not bee in the 8th.
Look at his whip,hits per innings pitched,baa,That says it all.
Now compare joba’s numbers with most 8th inning pitchers numbers like bard or hughes of 2009.
Do you know what the definition of insanity is? It’s doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. That’s where the Yankees and Joe Girardi are with Joba Chamberlain now. They just keep running him out of there in high leverage spots and expect him to all of a sudden stop sucking. Joba blew the game with an 8th inning appearance I don’t particularly care to recap (single, ground out, single, walk, grand slam), but it’s just the latest example of a guy keeping his job on three-year-old credentials.
I don’t know where the Yankees go from here, but any normal reliever with an 8.71 ERA and a -0.686 WPA since mid-May gets a bus ticket to Scranton. At the very least, he gets moved into a lesser role. The insanity must end.
From RAB.
86w183 July 11th, 2010 at 10:10 am
Javy has been excellent… 2.55 ERA his last eight starts.
Hard to see all five starts getting to 15 wins. Javy and AJ each have just seven and we’re past the midway point of the season
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It’s not highly likely, but it is possible. CC, Andy & Phil are sure to get 15. Javy & AJ both have 7 wins (Javy should have 8 after the way he pitched last night) and both had extended periods of sucking. If those two can pitch consistently well in the second half, they might just do it.
When a pitcher in the pen fails, Girardi tries someone else.
When Joba fails, Giardi says he will stick with him. What has Joba done to be the 8th inning guy, no matter what?
Marte was a closer with Pittsburgh, why not give him a try in the 8th inning against a bad Seattle team?
Better hope Mo can go another few years because the way Joba is pitching he will never close for the Yanks. He can’t even be the bridge to Mo. The bridge is cracked.
Cashman won’t be able to trade for an elite reliever and we’re going to have to ride Joba until the end of the season when Hughes nears his innings limit and switches to the pen.
Tampa was so incredibly smart to trade for Rafael Soriano in the off season and pay him 7 million on top of the deal.
It’s a sad day in Yankee history. The silence at Yankee stadium is as it should be. He had a grand life and one to be envied and honored. Sleep well, Mr, Sheppard. You’ve earned the rest.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......id=7141187
Good morning all.
Joba is frustrating because he is so inconsistent. 10 days ago he blows the game, in Oakland earlier in the week he was lights out and then last night again he blew the game. He has the velocity but he lacks command of his pitches. But I am not sure if there is a better option for the 8th inning.
On a positive note, Javy was great again last night. The Yankees starters have been lights out on this road trip.
I don’t know where the Yankees go from here, but any normal reliever with an 8.71 ERA and a -0.686 WPA since mid-May gets a bus ticket to Scranton. At the very least, he gets moved into a lesser role. The insanity must end.
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Yeah, his recent numbers illustrate how desperate our bullpen situation is. You can cherry pick stats that paint him as an inconsistent yet passable reliever but when you view his recent performance going back to mid-May, the regression in his pitching since 2007 becomes so clear it’s baffling that they don’t send him down to break him down.
Bret the Hitman
You don’t know that cash can’t get a good reliever or try someone in the minore.
Last year we kept trying until we fixed the pen.
For example trade for a pitcher & once hughes gets near his innings limit put him in the pen again & he is still a starter next year wich is what almost happened if we got lee.
Joba was almost bounced right out of the 8th if that trade wen’t through so so much for faith in joba.
“Tampa was so incredibly smart to trade for Rafael Soriano in the off season and pay him 7 million on top of the deal.”
When you think about it, Bret, the Yankees had to be coming into this season feeling pretty good about their pen based on their ’09 performance. Conversely, the Rays front office was probably losing sleep all winter thinking about the ’09 performance of their bullpen. Getting Soriano was a good, smart move, but it also was exceedingly necessary.
I agree that the fact that the Yankees are in first place is probably the reason Joba and the rest of the pen have gotten so much rope, but that doesn’t hold water with me. This is going to be a dogfight the rest of the way and you can not have the pen giving away precious victories. Cashman has done absolutely nothing -and that is very disappointing. I’m no fan of Alby, but give the guy a shot – it can’t hurt. If you have t bring up Sanchez, Nova, whomever – do it, do it now, before the deadline, so they can see if a trade needs to be made for an arm. Joe’s comment about wanting one EIG is stupid when that EIG is not getting the job done…….again, how many games does he want to throw away?
This pen may cost the Yankees a division title and it will certainly cost them in the post-season if they don’t fix it; it’s unbelivably bad
RIP Mr. Bob Sheppard
Losing games the way they did last night is hearbreaking – those are devastating losses; I’d rather be blown out.
RIP Mr. Shepphard.
Morning, Bronx. Hope all is going well, and you have your cross-bow to use on the trolls…..errr….targets today. apples or heads are great targets.
Good morning again,
At the end of the last blog I put my thoughts down about Joba if anyone is interested. I don’t copy and paste. My loss. In any case, to me it is sane and written when I was just plain upset.
Pleasel please alert for new threads so I don’t write a ‘book’ that I will not repeat.
Thanks all.
Betsy,
Guess I was right about Lee not being able to pitch in Texas
We can’t afford too keep trotting joba out there in the 8th,he will not be in that role long,his numbers won’t allow it.
When you have a 1.50 whip,give up more hits per innings pitched & the league is batting .280 against you & you are the yankees it’s not going too work.
Hughes was going too the the 8th inning if we got lee,that tells you that cash & girardi are looking at other options.
“This pen may cost the Yankees a division title and it will certainly cost them in the post-season if they don’t fix it; it’s unbelivably bad”
Look for Hughes in the pen in the post season, innings limit.
Ironic that the best 8th inning guy is a starter.
a bit of anger regarding Joba this morning. A lot of folks have some gripes about joba. I see Joba much like I did Moose and AJ – he gets flustered when he gives up hits and they can’t recover. It’s not every time but it does happen on occassion. I believe, Joba would improve if he just learned to become as unflustered as Mo. Altho that may be a trait that’s difficult to learn or one of those things where either you have it or you don’t.
Ron,
I suspect we’d have an elite reliever to bridge to Mo if it were possible for Cashman to trade for one.
Billy D,
I agree. They thought Robertson was for real and Joba a potential lock-down elite reliever like Hughes in 2009.
Imagine if Lee had pitched that game against the Orioles while in his first game in pinstripes at YS. They’d be whining for a month. At least Chamberlain gets to pitch right after the break. They won’t hang him.
rj July 11th, 2010 at 9:50 am
rj July 11th, 2010 at 9:38 am
We have a shot at having all 5 starters with 15+ wins. Amazing.
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BTW, anyone know if this has ever happened?
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The Orioles had 4 20 game winners in the same season in 1971, they didn’t need a 5th starter. Dave McNally won 21 and Mike Cuellar, Jim Palmer, and Pat Dobson each won 20.
repost of SAS’s comment from last thread. I know she gets frustrated when this happens
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Also, RIP Bob Sheppard. Sad day in Yankeeland.
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Morning all. I just read the thread from the AM. Last night was crazy.
However, I do think Joba should be sent down for his own good and before it can’t be done at some time in August when he has accumulated to much time in the ‘bigs’. It should be done calmly with the explanation that he needs time to get his head together and his pitches doing what he wants them to do.
It is almost unfair to him that he won’t have this opportunity shortly and the Yankees feel he has too much talent to waste. This has nothing to do with any other pitcher we might or might not have.
This is a business and should be run as such. One wouldn’t let this happen to any employee that a company cares about for the future.
Joba has talent. We have seen it, both this year and in the past, but right now he is more a detriment that help to the team.
At that point we can get a relief pitcher to help for the rest of the year, or until the swagger has returned to Joba. He will always lose games, but not in the dramatic ways he has done recentlyl
After sleeping on it, that is my solution for right now.
I would try alby til the deadline,then go from there.
The problem might fix itself in house.
They say alby changed the way he pitches.
Good to see you GB and my fingers are twitching on the bow string…
Joba is a conundrum but like you said he has more successes than not. Javy got straightened out and everyone was putting his head on a pike, but eventually it worked out. Don’t see why the same cannot happen with Joba, I imagine it is more difficult with a relief pitcher as they are not throwing as many innings in order to work out all the problems (from a coaching point of view). Fans make out like he ain’t trying and that is particularly irksome. How can he not be working hard at his craft. That just don’t make sense. He is still a kid and he is still learning. I imagine he had quite a sleepless night. If fans were rated on their jobs like fans rate ballplayers, they would all be unemployed.
Here’s a nice tribute to Bob Sheppard from 2000. Some old familiar faces in this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj434vCtNRw
With the impending “fire sale” the Cubs are about to do, I wonder if Chicago will entertain offers for Carlos Marmol.
He’ll drive us crazy with the walks, but his strikeouts to innings pitched is incredible.
Has anyone taken the time to compare our pen to other clubs? I think you might be pleasantly surprised. The Yanks are in first place, the pen had something to do with creating the record we have. We must not be doing too bad. Not to say that things cannot be improved, but take a look at what is going on around the league.
Bob sheppard died
Ron, don’t even get me started on Phil to the pen.
Truth, what happens if Phil is pitching great? How do you remove him from the rotation? Innings limits don’t count in the post-season, so there’s nothing to worry about in that regard.
Noesi and Nova are both on the 40 man.
There should be no excuse about them being starters for these guys not shots considering how poorly most of those guys in the bullpen have pitched.
The Yankees have clearly professed a win at all costs attitude this week with the almost trade in Lee and in the past with rocketing Joba through the minors.
Phelps should be up here also IMO but at least the 40 man move is an excuse.
After a 7 game win streak, it’s not a ” devastating” loss.
It’s a “frustrating” loss. BIG difference.
Joba? Girardi will always have his players backs. That’s what he does.
However, I’ll be interested in seeing how it shakes out after the break and the trade deadline.
The EIG can’t be good 75% of the time.
It has to be closer to 90-95% of the time.
That’s the job.
At this point, I’m sure they are looking for bullpen help. It’s just not easy to find on the trade market.
In the meantime, I hope they go to a more “whoever has the hot hand” approach after the break.
Joba simply hasn’t pitched well enough to keep that job.
We might have 5 solutions in the minors & not know it because we are not trying.
Now alby might not be the answer but at least we find out.He has been lights out for a long time.
Sometimes with pitchers like joba you just make the move instead of scratching your head for a year wondering.
He has not been good for about a year.
Prepare a funeral for a Yankee Legend.
Robert Leo “Bob” Sheppard (October 20, 1910 – July 11, 2010)
“Has anyone taken the time to compare our pen to other clubs? I think you might be pleasantly surprised.”
Break it down with and without the best closer in MLB history.
The pen has been awful, consistently, from the beginning of the season until now. Cash is a fool if he thinks it can stay this way and not end up harming the Yankees.
That is sad news about Sheppard. It would have been nice for him to have announced at the new stadium. RIP, the voice of the Yankees has been missed.
I think Joba should be sent down. Putting him down in a lower level can get him a chance to work on whatever issues he has without the pressure. It might be the best thing for him. It wouldn’t have to be a “forever” type thing, just till he can be straightened out.
Every time he goes out there you have to hold your breath that he will blow a lead. While he does have times when he does well, it seems rare when he has a 1-2-3 inning. Joba has talent, his pitching velocity has improved, but he is too inconsistent for the high pressure situation of the 8th inning.
The Yankees can use Joba, but you can’t count on him in close games. It seems better to me that you do what you can to get him back to basics and improving his command so he can contribute in a more consistent basis.
Rich, why would you want to do that. We have what we have. It is the total that counts…
RIP Mr. S. May you go on with your journey with grace and wonder.
I would send Chamberlain down and put him in the Scranton rotation, it’s pretty clear that just moving him to the ‘pen didn’t fix his issues with inconsistency from last year. He’s either good or awful and the only way that can work itself out is pitching many more innings than 1 in a ballgame. For the Yankees to not take that route means they have given up on him being a starter, period.
If they are going to keep him in the 8th inning role, however, the best way to manage this is with a very short leash. He isn’t giving up home runs or walking lots of batters, he just gives up too many hits without his best stuff. Just yank him when he doesn’t have it, the bullpen is pretty well rested on a regular basis since the starters are all going deep into the game and there aren’t that many 1 run games to be concerned with.
LGY, exactly. How many times has Cash said that the needs of the big club often supercede the best interests of prospects? He said that just last year when Phil was put in the pen instead of being sent down to start. Why he’s hesitating to go to an arm, any arm, from the minors, is beyond me. Why Joba is getting this many chances to blow games is beyond me.
We are winning in spite of the pen. The pen has everything to do with why we’re not well ahead of the pack. It has nothing to do with creating the record we have. Joba can’t hide behind our starters, offense and Mo forever. He has an important, high leverage role and he’s been failing miserably at it for 2 full months now and cost us precious games in a tight 3 team race.
Bob Sheppard ………….. a true legend
http://zellspinstripeblog.com/
bronx, Girardi, Chamberlain and Eiland are more frustrated than anybody else. He made no excuses last night or at any other time this year. It’s just one of those things. He;ll get ahold of this problem before too long.
Remember Baltimore’s closer, Don (Full Pack) Stanhouse. Used to drive Earl Weaver crazy.
Betsy how has the pen been awful when we are in first place?
Betsy
Unless vaz or burnett got traded rumor was hughes was going too the pen if we got lee.
If he was pitching great i would be against it because he needs too be a starter.
“Rich, why would you want to do that. We have what we have. It is the total that counts…”
Because it reveals how bad the rest of the pen has been.
There’s a problem.
The pen will be addressed.
No way we stick with joba unless something changes wich i don’t see happening.
Bronx Born, that makes no sense – the Yankees are in first place despite their pen.
Ron, I know – and that makes me incensed.
Bob Shepherd, a true Yankee Legend.
A true Yankee legend has left us. RIP Mr. Sheppard. You were what made the Yankees unique. Classy, humble and professional is what you always showed us.
I remember being at games when fans got out of control, Mr. Sheppard would verbally scold the crowd, and they listened. I will miss that voice and games have never been the same without him.
I can’t imagine a scenario where an All Star starting pitcher at age 23 was moved in mid-season to the bullpen, it just defies logic. Had the Yankees picked up Lee they would have moved Vazquez for prospects/another bat/bullpen help, that would have been the only move that made sense.
“Truth, what happens if Phil is pitching great? How do you remove him from the rotation? Innings limits don’t count in the post-season, so there’s nothing to worry about in that regard.”
Betsy
Don’t get me wrong, I love Hughes as a starter. But, if Joba cannot get it done as the bridge to Mo, Hughes may become that bridge. Yanks will not need 5 starers in the post season. And they will not have a guy (Joba) who cannot pitch the 8th blowing games.
Used to drive Earl Weaver crazy.
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GB,
Didn’t most players drive Earl Weaver crazy? Ken Singleton tells some funny stories during the broadcasts.
Hope all is well.
Sorry to see him gone. Bob Sheppard, a true Yankee Legend.
Truth, you’re probably right – and I won’t have a problem with that (assuming Javy is pitching well. AJ is in the rotation no matter what). Now Phi didn’t do the job last year in the post-season so nothing is guaranteed, but that’s probably what will happen. As long as he stays in the rotation until late September (when his innings limits kick in), I’m fine.
Yes, hopefully Joba can work out his problems and become more consistent because the talent is clearly there. But the Yankees are a “win now” team in the midst of a very tough three-way divisional race. If Joba cannot develop consistency he does not belong in that spot.
The Yankees have been playing great baseball for a week now but the pen remains a weakness. Hopefully some of the answers can come from within.
Sheppard got to work at the job he loved until he was like 96, so life didn’t cheat him. RIP
I love the fact that we will always have Bob’s voice at YS as long as Jeter is around……. What a life he lead; I hope he’s out of pain and resting peacefully.
On a more positive note, the Yankees are playing outstanding baseball and Javy pitched brilliantly.
From River Avenue Blues:
With RiSP, Chamberlain is being hit around to the tune of .333/.383/.429. There doesn?t appear to be a problem with runners just on first (.132/.195/.263) but when they reach second he just unravels, yielding a line of .357/.438/.429.
I wouldn’t be so quick to assume PH to the pen at anytime this year. Per Jack Curry in last night’s game; he talked to Dave Eiland about that and Eiland said that Hughes is an AllStar SP. You don’t take guys like that out of the rotation. That’s coming from the pitching coach. If the NYY want a different EIG they had better explore other options both in house and on the trade market.
RIP Bob Sheppard.
Sad day in Yankeeland with Bob Sheppard passing away.. RIP Mr. Sheppard!
Have you people bothered to look at the most important numbers that EIGs have? Blown saves, holds, Iherited runners, inherited runners scored? Daniel bard has a pretty ERA, but, he’s blown more saves, walked just as many and allowed a higher number of inherited runners to score, at a higher percentage. The only real thing that Chamberlain has done more than others is hurt his ERA.
Has he had some ugly games? Damned straight, but, other than ERA, the overall end results are no different than other non-closers.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching/_/sort/holds
Sort ‘em out however you want it. Look at some of those pretty numbers and find out about inherited numbers. Unless you’re in love with pitchers like Tyler Clkippard.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....kgX4IbNK/0
2. What does Cliff Lee, Texas Ranger, Mean for New York?
For the Yankees it means frustration because they were so close to obtaining him. But it also means the current rotation needs to continue to flourish and — let’s be frank — the Yankees would not have been willing to give up big prospects for Lee if they absolutely loved the current rotation.
Instead they worry. About CC Sabathia’s workload. Andy Pettitte’s age. A.J. Burnett’s erratic nature. Javier Vazquez’s temerity (his small sample in the postseason is atrocious). And Phil Hughes’ innings limit. Do they have enough to, say, beat a Rangers team in the playoffs that now could have Lee start twice? Yes. But, boy, would the Yankees have been hard to beat with Lee working in tandem atop the rotation with Sabathia.
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So do we agree with Sherman about the Yankees having concerns about their rotation?
Thanks GB – we need a dose of sanity…
NYYROC
i agree.
Joba with none on:
.317 .377 .381 .758
Fran (the original) and OPPC member July 11th, 2010 at 10:41 am
Used to drive Earl Weaver crazy.
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GB,
Didn’t most players drive Earl Weaver crazy? Ken Singleton tells some funny stories during the broadcasts.
Hope all is well.
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yeah, he did, but, Singleton believes that Stanhouse did it just to see Weaver explode.
NYY is going to run out a 15 game lead and then slowly pull away from the pack.
“So do we agree with Sherman about the Yankees having concerns about their rotation?”
No, I think the rotation is the least of their problems. Would Lee have made them a lot better? Of course, but there is no way I would give up Montero for that.
I remember when people thought that Joba would be the successor to Mariano. That seems like such a long time ago.
For whatever reason this is not the same Joba that a couple of years ago was almost unhittable. Fist pumps and twirls, he was great.
Now he is an inconsistent pitcher being used in the 8th inning. Girardi leaves him in no matter what. Cash needs to do something.
DFA Gaudin and put Chamberlain in a lesser role until he can find command of the strike zone.
Meanwhile, give Albaladejo a chance as a setup man. Scott Aldred must have corrected his delivery at AAA. Nothing ventured – nothing gained.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=452293
What does Mr. Peabody’s pet boy Sherman say about small sample sizes of pitchers like Vazquez pitching with injuries for the second half of a season?
Rich, I tend to think that way as well. I mean, if they were so concerned about Andy’s age, they would have obtained another SP besides Javy. If they were so concerned about Phil’s innings limits, they would have kept him in AAA to start and obtained another SP besides Javy………..and they wouldn’t have repeatedly stated that the innings limits were no big deal. If they were so concerned about AJ being erratic, they would have acquired another SP. Same thing with CC.
Joba, Montero, and Adams to the Royals for Joakim Soria and Dejesus….Soria is 26 and can be the future closer and learn from the best ever Rivera….Dejesus can DH and also play LF and Gardner CF Vs lefties…..good trade for this year and the future….
I have to give Javy credit. He has turned his season around, which I didn’t think he was capable of doing.
“Joba, Montero, and Adams to the Royals for Joakim Soria and Dejesus”
Why would any team trade for Joba in his current condition? He’s not a good starting pitcher and apparently, he’s not a reliable reliever. No one is going to be looking to help us out by taking him off of our hands.
RiP Bob Shepperd. All Yankee fans will miss you.
This was a game the Yanks should have won. Joba couldn’t get 3 outs against a bad team. Instead they lose and the Rays get a game closer to the Yanks.
The Voice of God …Bob Sheppard has died at the age of 99. May he rest in peace…
Go Yankees 2010 !!
LGY..
Thanks so much for passing on my pithy explanation. I wish I could figure it out for myself.
With all due respect, Mr. Sheppard’s passing is not a sad day. It is a glorious day to appreciate a legendary figure in Yankees lore. What an amazing voice. What an amazing life.
I went to my first Yankees game in 1965 and knowing nothing about P.A. systems literally thought the voice of God was introducing the lineups.
I think I was right
God Bless the greatest stadium announcer ever. 99 amazing years on this planet.
I wouldn’t trade Montero for Soria and Dejesus even up. That’s how dynasties decline.
I’m sadden to hear the news of Bob Sheppard’s passing……………As for Joba, get runner on board and Joba can go sideways…….SJ & I were just talking about the very same thing that we witnessed last night………It’s getting redundant…….
“So do we agree with Sherman about the Yankees having concerns about their rotation?”
Probably, but I’d guess their level of concern is considerably lower than 29 or so other organizations.
LOL Billy, true…………
“Joba, Montero, and Adams to the Royals for Joakim Soria and Dejesus”
That’s like trading fake diamonds for real ones. Not gonna happen.
Couldn’t help but notice how intent A.J. was on the dugout rail watching Javy put on a display with the effective use of a changeup. It certainly helped A.J. in his last outing and continued use of his changeup can make him better for the July – August – September push leading into the postseason.
Hey Pat, from your perspective, do they have a chance and fixing Joba? Do you have a notion as to what has happened to him?
Just got back from the supermarket, and saw the news here about Bob Shepard.
How ironic, that a man who’s profession was the spoken word….and I’m coming up short in describing how great he was….
Montero is a fake diamond? In what universe?
Alby as the EIG?
No thank you.
R.I.P. Bob Sheppard
The “voice of God “is silenced-
He’s reached this Journey’s end.
He lives now with Mel Allen
in Yankee legend land.
Oh we will still hear Sheppard’s voice
when we enter at the gate
and he’s still announcing Derek
when he steps up to the plate.
But though his fine voice resonates
Through the new park’s hallowed halls
It’s only a faint echo
of what he meant to all.
The old park’s walls have fallen
beneath the wrecking ball
and now the legends follow
til’ we’ve nothing left at all.
They weren’t looking to trade for Lee because they were worried about the rotation.
They were looking to trade for him because he’s one of the best pitchers in baseball. That’s just smart business.
Joba has no trade market. If you think you are going to get an all star arm for Joba Chamberlain, you need to turn in your GM badge.
Get thru this game and re-evaluate after the break.
Hopefully, they realize doing it by committee is the way to go right now.
They aren’t draining their system to find an EIG. Nor should they.
They just to use Joba less in high leverage situations.
That would be a step in the right direction.
Joba still has off the charts physical abilities and there would be no shortage of offers for him if he was on the market. I just can’t see Soria getting traded unless someone takes on the contract of Meche or Guillen.
All Joba needed was a clean inning or a combination of him and Marte and Mariano was good to go for the bottom of the 9th.
It’s getting to be a familiar scene when Joba comes in.
Lee was an opportunity and doesn’t show concern.
If they go after another starting pitcher that would be a better indication of them having a concern.
RIP Bob Shepperd
“Joba still has off the charts physical abilities and there would be no shortage of offers for him if he was on the market.”
Teams would try to steal him. It would be like selling a stock that was once at 50 but is now at 5.
Bob Sheppard dies
Joba has turned into Papelbon. Million dollar arm – 10 cent brain.
The only difference is that Papelbon has actually performed at a high level helping his team win a World Series in 2007. While Joba is all hype. Joba only had one good year in 2007 and part of 2008.
LOL Madden had an article yesterday about how the Yankees trying to trade for Lee was typical of the greed they showed under George; I didn’t read the article – that was just the summary in the Daily News. The problem people see with acquiring Lee (or one of the problems anyway) is that the Yankees would have had a surplus of pitching………
I wouldn’t drain the system to find an EIG, but the whole pen needs revamping….If fans can see it, why can’t Cashman? He’s not dumb – he has to know that fixing the pen is of the highest priority.
And I’m sorry but nobody wants Joba. The guy is out of shape and he can’t pitch. Why would any team want an overrated pitcher who can’t hack it as an 8th inning guy.
Cashman isn’t going to overpay for a closer like Soria to fix his 8th inning problem.
The Yankee Brass will reevaluate during the break and will try some other options in the 8th inning. Cashman might make a trade for a reliever, but it’s not going to be somebody that you trade premium talent for. They’ll get Mitre back after AS game and they probably need to try Sanchez and Alby again then go from there. The hot hand approach is probably the way to go for now which isn’t Girardi’s preference because he likes roles clearly defined, but at the moment, he has to try something different to get more effectiveness out of his bullpen parts not named Mo Rivera.
I wouldn’t trade Joba..I’d send him to AAA or AA, let the kid, yes kid…let him find himself in the minors. I’d try to package Laird/McCallister for Soria, send Joba down, put him back on his 07′ routine, use him as a SP b/c repetition is what’s important and use the 4 days in between starts to keep him mechanically sharp. That’s how he was brought up.
SJ, what’s your thoughts on Dellin and Andrew, the twin towers have been turning it around.
R.I.P. Bob…
That voice will never be forgotten by this Yankees fan.
The reality is that the bullpen needs fixing.
Other than Mo, there isn’t one other member of the current bullpen that most of us here on the blog feel comfortable in seeing enter the game with a 1-3 run lead, and personally that includes Marte, who with his inflated salary is only a situational lefty.
I don’t really feel that Albaladejo is the answer, but he deserves a chance. What happened to Moseley? He pitches an unexpected two terriffic innings against the Blue Jays and we don’t see him again!
Feel bad for Lee-goes to the one park where his numbers are awful and gives up three homers to one of the worst teams in AL. Too bad he didn’t have a clause to veto trades in his contract.
Smoak on the other hand was clueless at the plate last night.
If we get a right handed bat and a reliable arm or two for the bullpen, plus have our starters keep doing the job they’re all capable of, we’ll be in the playoffs, and we can beat Lee, especially in Texas, if they meet us in the playoffs.
If available, Josh Willingham as OF/DH and Jeff Keppinger, as versatile utility player would IMHO, be welcome additions.
Joba Chambrlain=Kei Igawa , useless futility and money wasted!
“I wouldn’t trade Montero for Soria and Dejesus even up. That’s how dynasties decline.”
Me neither, let alone add Joba and David Adams…
The Royals better kick back Soria, Dejesus and Greinke.
Bronx…….Joba is a complex issue and I’m not sure it’ll ever be solved……But watch him once he allows a base runner…..His whole demeanor changes, he looks nervous, he starts wiping his brow and displays other body language twitches……..It’s as if he’s melting down right in front of us…….
RIP bob sheppard.. .
People ripping on Joba it’s understandable, but it’s amazing how you wanna give up on this kid, reminds me of everyone that wanted to ship Robi Cano out of NYC.
“I wouldn’t drain the system to find an EIG, but the whole pen needs revamping….If fans can see it, why can’t Cashman? He’s not dumb – he has to know that fixing the pen is of the highest priority.”
Of course, Cashman and everybody else in the Yankee Brass knows they have issue with their bullpen. They tried to fix Joba during the first half of the season by using him in the 8th inning and it hasn’t worked. They’ll reevaluate that situation over the next week then go from there with probably a new approach to their bullpen situation. As Cashman has stated beforehand in similar situations, they’ll throw a bunch of different arms against the wall to see if anybody can stick and then go from there.
I hear ya Pat. Tis a shame. And please weigh-in on bullpen issue. I don’t think it is as bad as others state especially compared to other clubs. But what is your take?
Pat do you think it would help Joba to go back to minors to work all this out?
Good point Craw.
If I was Joba, the next time I faced Jose Lopez I’d make sure he needed help to get off the field.
That was a way over-the-top bat flip for a guy on a last place team.
“The Voice of God”……….RIP
The difference between Cano and Joba. One of them is in shape and actually has talent, and the other is out of shape, overhyped, and acts like a child.
Bob Sheppard, Legendary Yankees Ballpark Announcer, Dies at 99
Bob, I’ll always hear your voice.
Rest in peace.
Pat M-
Totally agree. It took a sports psychologist, sitting behind home plate, to get John Smoltz to focus better, and he was instrumental in turning Smoltz around. Joba has the tools but at this point he certainly doesn’t need to be placed in situations where he is more likely to fail.
Yankee Trader,
Lee going to Texas is a blessing in disguise for the Yankees as it guarantees him going on the market and not signing with them while not being traded to somebody like Tampa or the Twins. Hopefully, he remains human pitching in that ballpark if we ever face him in the playoffs this year.
Enough with Soria!
We’re not getting him for a AA 3b and AAA back end starter.
You want Soria? You really want him? Trade Montero, Nunez and Brackman.
That’s about the only way you’re getting KC’s attention for him.
Not to mention the guy isn’t going to want to come here to set up Rivera at his age.
If you think the good way to build a champion is to trade all your top assets for one of the best closers in the game and then force him to be setup man, you’ll have a losing team in no time.
No to mention that Soria is in the middle of a long term deal. If the Yankees deal the farm for him and then force him to be a middle reliever, he can demand a trade after the season as is his contractual right since he’s dealt during a multi-year deal.
Stop with Soria. He’s NOT coming here.
You want realistic? Kerry Wood. Octavio Dotel. That’s realistic.
That’s the reason why Joba will keep being sent out there to fail 50% of the time. The alternatives aren’t great.
Cashman needs to shuffle the pen with some of the arms in Scranton and hope he catches lightning in the bottle with one of them.
But wishing and hoping for Soria is a waste of everyone’s time here. It’s not happening.
The more interesting thing to me is that the Yankees have about a month left to send Joba to the minors without having to pass him through waivers.
Cashman has to know this. If they have any idea of rebuilding him like Halladay and Lee were in the minors, the clock is ticking away fast.
If they do nothing and don’t send him down, I’d take that as a clear indication that they’ve given up on the player.
Which wouldn’t surprise me. He’s given up on himself and his team 1/2 the time he pitches this season.
What’s infuriating is Joba will get the call tonight if CC can’t go the distance and Girardi will puff his chest out about sticking with his guy.
Then he’ll blow the first lead he’s asked to protect against Tampa next week.
The act is old. He is a horribly inconsistent pitcher that can throw with great velocity.
That’s Kyle Farnsworth.
Pat M.
That’s so true. Joba looks mentally weak on the mound when he gets in trouble. The guy is weak. In the playoffs in 2007 when he had good stuff he showed he was weak, and when he was moved to the pen in the playoffs last year he showed it again.
Bronx, What further complexes the situation is that Mariano Rivera is hurting and someone needs to step it up……..It’s clear that Joba wasn’t up for the task last night……..Just a week ago we had a free for all right here about Joba Chamberlain being in the rotation next season……..At this rate he might not even be on the club ……..
“The difference between Cano and Joba. One of them is in shape and actually has talent, and the other is out of shape, overhyped, and acts like a child.”
No the difference is on is struggling immensely. He’s the less experienced of the 2, the younger one too.
Robi, last yr. and the yr. before was lambasted on this blog and NY radios, they said he was also lazy, he partied too much, was out of shape and had a poor work ethic and acted like a child too. FUNNY HOW PPL CONVENIENTLY FORGET.
“You want Soria? You really want him? Trade Montero, Nunez and Brackman. ”
This is RIDICULOUS, you almost landed CLIFF FREAKIN LEE for Montero and Adams…you want to add Nunez and Brackman? for Soria? Brackman is throwing 99 MPH and locating as a SP. You gotta be on something.
Um guys, sorry to wake you, but “The Voice of God,” Bob Sheppard passed away this morning. It’s all over the Post, News, Newsday, Times websites. How about showing the man his proper respects on this site?
With Vasquez pitching well for the last two months, it makes the attempted Lee acquisition even more puzzling. I’m not saying that Montero is the next Albert Pujols, but he does have tha potential. To throw him away for Lee, a starting pitcher who is not needed, is pure insanity. You find a place for Montero, a surefire future star. Cashman’s attitude toward Montero is like a wino’s with a five dollars burning a hole in his pocket. Will someone talk some sanity into the Steinbrenners (a tall task, I agree) and get them to fire Cashman before he does even more damage?
Rivera’s not hurting that’s just BS because he didn’t want to participate in the ASG. He has some tweaks and pain like every baseball player has at this time of the year, but he’s able to perform his job at a very high level without any physical problems getting in the way.
“I’d try to package Laird/McCallister for Soria”
You’d hear hysterical laughter followed by a dial tone.
You can’t trade Joba now, that is the epitome of selling low. I personally think he is over throwing. Thats why his fastball keeps drifting towards the middle of the plate and why his slider was “helicoptering” last night. Joba needs a little less trying to throw the ball through a wall, and a little more trying to locate.
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Attached bullpen stats for all major league teams with all the info any stats geek would like to know. Most of the teams we are likely to meet in the playoffs, by ERA rankings are currently ahead of us, and any NL team vying for the playoffs have a better ERA.
RIP Bob Sheppard
Brandon Awesome
Well I was never with that crowd because I never had any issues with Cano even when he was going through some tough times.
But Joba has some real issues. He is getting worse and worse and worse. He better get his act together or he won’t have a career with the Yankees.
Brandon,
Knock it off. No one was calling Cano lazy last year.
His season in 2008 was pretty pathetic the way he handled it. He’s the first Yankee I can remember in a long time who required a disciplinary benching in order to wake him up.
That said, 2009 he quieted all of his critics, myself included.
You want to compare Joba to Cano, that’s a fair comparison. If we gave up on Cano we’d regret it.
However, that doesn’t mean Joba is going to turn into the Cano of pitchers.
Cano worked his tail off with Long, his Father and with Arod to get the consistency back.
He used Mick Kelleher to help him get defense back on point.
He did the hard work and I respect him for it immensely. He cares.
Until Joba shows he’s willing to do any kind of hard work, the jury is out.
Joba is like the kid who doesn’t study for the test and thinks he can walk in and ace it because he once got straight A’s.
That’s not how it works. He’s showing no ability to figure himself out.
He’s terrified out there once the you know what starts to hit the fan.
He can never succeed Mo with his mentality right now.
If he doesn’t do the work and fix himself, he’ll be out of Yankee stadium by next season.
CC is, out of shape too (if you tell the truth) more so than Joba. CC has a huge gut, Joba doesn’t.
His size isn’t what lead to the loss, his not hitting his spots is what cost Javy his 8th win before the All Star break.
How about the line up scoring 1 run, fault them too. They left 20 on base, not 1 run manufactured from the men on base. l
It’s even hard for Mo to come in on a 1 run lead, and he’s miles ahead of Joba.
Billy D, those two were in the Cliff Lee package, highly thought of, they’d probably add another arm like Melancon. But it sure as hell wouldn’t be Brackman or Jesus.
“Brackman is throwing 99 MPH and locating as a SP. You gotta be on something”
He’s not throwing 99. While he is locating much better, he’s also hitting plenty of bats in AA. The progress has been terrific, but you’re overstating it.
“Knock it off. No one was calling Cano lazy last year. ”
Oh shut the … up, plenty nights last season and in 2008 he got the lazy comments. Don’t act like that didn’t happen, ppl still wanted to trade him for Matt Kemp and Matt Cain.
Brandon,
Are you really that clueless about baseball? You’ve spend enough time in here to comprehend that the package the Yankees would have to send for Soria, who is younger and under contract would be higher than what you send for 1/2 a season of Lee.
If anyone is on something, it’s you.
Brandon:
Royals would, at a minimum, want Romine and another solid prospect.
RIP Bob Sheppard
If being mentioned in a trade for Matt Kemp is an insult, I have no clue what to say to you.
And if you think you can rub 2 nickels together and trade them to KC for Soria, keep dreaming.
If Soria could be had without giving up Montero or Romine, I’d try and make that deal. Soria would setup Mariano in tight games, and in all other scenarios Mariano and Soria would work on alternating days / 2 days on 1 day off to keep Soria happy closing games.
I think it could work.
However getting Soria without giving up Romine or Montero is the tricky part.
You wanna package two guys that would be centerpieces and I’m on something. Soria is under contract until when?
And you do realize NYY pulled out of the Lee deal when SEA asked for Nunez?
McCallister/Laird is good enough to land an 8th inning man.. the farthest they’d go is add another arm or an OF prospect.
With Vasquez pitching well for the last two months, it makes the attempted Lee acquisition even more puzzling.
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Sometimes Cashman gets involved in trade talks , not just to trade for that player, but if he can’t match up, “steer” [not really the word I'm looking for] them to a team that will not make a difference when playoff time rolls around. In this case the best scenario, might have been Lee going to a NL team, perhaps the Mets, letting him get settled in NY and just be signed by the Yankees in the offseason. This worked in the Santana deal, not going to the Red Sox.
Matt Kemp is the robinson cano of CF, nothing wrong with being traded for him.
sigh
Actually CC can support that weight better based on his height. Also he is very strong. Joba on the other hand is not as strong as CC and he is not that tall.
Billy D, would you trade Jesus straight up for Soria?
“McCallister/Laird is good enough to land an 8th inning man.. the farthest they’d go is add another arm or an OF prospect.”
Then the 8th inning man won’t be Soria, who by the way isn’t an 8th inning man. He’s a closer. A high end closer. That’s what the Royals will be selling him as. Doesn’t matter how the Yankees would intend to use him, the Royals will be selling an all star closer.
CaraJerk, right now Matt Kemp isn’t in Robi’s league. The only thing he does better is baserun.
I don’t want to trade for Soria.
I’m telling you what it will cost. It won’t be what we offered for Cliff Lee. It will be much much more.
If he could be had for what we offered for Lee, another team would have already snapped him up.
“Billy D, would you trade Jesus straight up for Soria?”
No.
If they were willing to trade Montero for Lee, why not Soria?
The pen is much more of a need than the pen. Soria could be our closer of the future. He could split closing duties with MO this year to make sure he is fresh for the postseason… you could really protect MO by not using him more than 2 days in a row and stuff like that.
When Girardi has to use his 40 yr old aching closer for 2 innings on the road to squeeze out wins against Arizona and the Dodgers, you know your bullpen sucks.
Billy D, I know he’s a closer. I know what KC would want, but that’s not a package the NYY will give up. I can’t see Cashman saying
Ok… Jesus + Brackman + Nunez…are kidding me?
I’d take a shot at FLA w/ Lindstrom or Nunez…
“Blown Saves” is a very misleading statistic.
Realize this – when Joba blew that 4 run lead against Boston earlier, he was not charged with a blown save, because technically, he didn’t blow a save situation.
Also, he has given up numerous key insurance runs in close games to put the game out of reach (opening night in Boston, Phillies game, Dodgers game that we ended up winning, etc.) Girardi even alluded to this when he talked about his pen last week – it’s not just blowing leads, it is increasing the deficits and killing our comeback chances is a problem as well.
Skill Set can you honestly live w/ yourself watching Jesus in KC as a catcher
watching 30HR(tape measure variety) /100 RBIS while having Soria.
“McCallister/Laird ”
That won’t even get you Octavio Dotel
Stick Chamberlain in a mop up / junk inning role until he gets his head on straight or gets traded … whichever comes first. His days of entitlement are over with.
Don’t know if CIN would trade him, but what about Arthur Rhodes?
Brandon:
I guess we’re saying the same thing then. The Yankees would not want to pony up what it would take to get Soria and the Royals have no reason to move them unless they hit a homerun. Laird and McAllister ain’t a homerun.
Trading for BP help is almost alway disasterous. The track record around baseball just isn’t good. Maybe Wood or Dotel, but they’d be wise not to part with anything of value.
I know it’s been posted here ad nauseum, but it bears repeating:
Soria has the most club-friendly contract going in the game. There is absolutely no reason for KC to trade him.
Move along, there’s nothing to see here.
The Archives are great for a laugh.. This is a year ago when people were comparing Joba to a future Bob Gibson or Nolan Ryan..
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200...../#comments
How opinions have changed with some…
“Don’t know if CIN would trade him, but what about Arthur Rhodes?”
Man’s played a pretty significant bullpen role for a team in 1st place and in a tight battle. They aren’t likely to move him.
Farnsworth has a 1.98 ERA for KC… he did pretty well with Girardi in first half of 08… just sayin…
# GreenBeret7 July 11th, 2010 at 5:04 am
Rosy, you only come here to gloat….2 times a year. Sorry…just teasing you. You’re a good poster and love your team. You also respect everyone one here…whether your team or any team is winning or losing. Have a great night, kiddo. You’re good people and fun to tease.
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Yeah, like I have anything to gloat about
Thanks for the kind words. I do love my team and I try to be a good guest on rival boards. Here’s to a good game today – although, considering the match up, I’m not real hopeful that I’ll be leaving the ballpark with much spring in my step
The only way to get Soria with-out breaking the bank, is to well break the bank.
Take Meche (when he comes off the DL) and his remaining contract off of KC’s hands. Maybe then you could trade lesser prospects and still get Soria. Oterwise forget it.
How do we even know that KC wants to trade Soria?
Bronx I can’t imagine why they would either. BTW I ordered my copy! just waiting for it’s arrival.
YankeeTrader, you beat me to the punch, about using a sports psychologist with Joba. For all I/we know, they’ve already been down this path, but Pat M. nailed it, he’s a different pitcher out there with men on base.
While I think he needs to be used more in less pressurized situations (maybe swap roles with David Robertson for a bit), I wouldn’t give up on him. The problem is that he’s wildly inconsistent. And while he definitely draws comparison to the great Kyle Farnsworth, I really wouldn’t lump him there just yet. Though, he is getting uncomfortably close….
Wow thanks Tar!
Bob Sheppard : The ONLY name recognizable as a stadium announcer in the country!!!
What a great life he had and great man was he ! Your reward awaits !
Bronx
My pleasure Bronx. Pay Pal made the whole international aspect, easy.
(BTW- in case you missed it I shortened the name from TarheelYank.)
Joba had heat last night, but no location. He needs a vacation. ( AAA is nice this time of year )
Why has Moseley only pitched once? If he can go long, he can go short. IMO
Girardi has to say what he said, I guess, but he knows he can’t keep goin’ to that well !
Keith–FL July 11th, 2010 at 10:58 am
Joba, Montero, and Adams to the Royals for Joakim Soria and Dejesus….Soria is 26 and can be the future closer and learn from the best ever Rivera….Dejesus can DH and also play LF and Gardner CF Vs lefties…..good trade for this year and the future…
Wow. Just wow. This is one of the stupidest trade proposals I have ever read here.
Yeah the Soria talk here gets a little tedious…. but that’s show biz.
If there was another reliever that excited people we could be throwing around trade proposals for him would we not?
I’ve looked around and don’t see anything that makes any sense or seems the least bit realistic. Any other names worth bandying about?
My guess is the Yanks do nothing of note, get through August in first place and move Hughes back once he hits 160 innings or so.
SJ44, still think demoting Joba to Scranton is a bad idea? He needs consistent work to work on his mechanics. Its much easier to do so in a controlled environment. I understand keeping Joba up here if he’s treading water, but as of now, he is worse than replacement level.