Pitching matchups for the Rays series
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Jul 16, 2010 
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Tonight
LHP CC Sabathia (12-3, 3.09 ERA) vs. RHP James Shields (7-9, 4.87)
7:05 p.m., My9
Saturday
RHP A.J. Burnett (7-7, 4.75) vs. RHP Jeff Niemann (7-2, 2.77)
4:10 p.m., FOX
Sunday
LHP Andy Pettitte (11-2, 2.70) vs. LHP David Price (12-4, 2.42)
1:05 p.m., YES
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Should be quite an emotional night in the Bronx tonight. Just a reminder that YES will carry the pregame, including the video tribute to George Steinbrenner, even though the game is on My9. Josh Thomson and I will be out at the Stadium and will check in from there this afternoon.
* That’s an AP photo of Pettitte pitching during the All-Star Game.
It would also be great if the tribute(s) would be available somewhere on the Internet, because I’m sure some of us cannot watch YES (Europeans for example
). So if you know if it can be watched online somewhere (afterwards), please tell us, thank you!
Has anyone heard an official refutation of today’s Bill Madden column alleging that the Yankees lack class because no players turned out for Bob Sheppard’s funeral? I heard a report that several Yankees were on their way to the funeral but were delayed by a traffic accident ahead of them. According to the report, they were unable to get to the service but did get to the cemetery for the burial. If this version of events is true, the Madden column is infuriating and an apology is required. Has anyone heard anything?
0 = the # of current or former yankees who went to bob Sheppard’s funeral. thats disgraceful,
I’m going tonight
should be a good, but sad night to be there
I agree with mko. I hope it will be available in full on the internet for watching at a later time. Please let us know where.
From previous post….It’s unrealistic to think Granderson’s production (particularly against lefties) was going to suddenly increase because he is now on the Yankees. Kevin Long is good, but not that good. I believe his numbers against righties will be acceptable in the end. But he never had good numbers against lefties and, odds are, he never will. And, it rough to have a starting centerfielder hitting just above .200 against lefties. Lefty specialists are going to eat him up in late innings of tight games. I understand he’s a great clubhouse guy, very solid defender, good baserunner, etc. But……so is Carl Crawford. In my opinion, sign Crawford over the winter and trade Granderson while we can still get something for him. Keep Gardner for centerfield. He’s earned it and he’s cheap.
I like when CC can pitch on back to back games. Let’s set the ton for the second half tonight.
i’m interested in sony’s question as well. anyone know what really happened?
Looks like Pettitte drew the fuzzy end of the lolipop rotation this weekend. He’s going to really be on it Sunday. That is the rough draw. He’s the one that can turn in the tough dazzlers, though.
awais – … really?
0 – the number of articles you read that explain why no one was there. embarrassing.
GB-
Morning.
Andy is as competitive and reliable as anyone on our staff.
Price has evolved into a beast.
But anyone can be beaten on any given day.
I hoping for 2 of 3 from the Rays.
# UnKnown July 16th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
I like when CC can pitch on back to back games. Let’s set the ton for the second half tonight.
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C’mon, CC hardly weighs a ton.
its not like sheppard was best friends with the players. he only interacted with them when he had pronunciation problems…
you know whats stupid and archaic? funerals.
Bob has not been around the Stadium for at least 2 years.
A lot of players have come and gone since then.
Sure, the core players were here, but none were in town and Cash represented.
Television reports that New York Yankee players went to the graveside service for Yankee public address announcer Bob Sheppard Thursday are not accurate.
The Daily News reported in Friday’s editions that no player Sheppard had introduced at the Stadium over his 57-year career had attended his funeral, a fact the Yankees confirmed when the News called to ask why no players were at the service.
The Yankees reported that one team bus carried front office personnel to the funeral in Baldwin, L.I., Thursday morning, and that no players attended the service, as the News reported.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z0trwIaGC1
Madden said the Yanks confirmed that no players were there.
thanks matthew, we haven’t heard that yet today.
hey, has the all-star game been played yet?
and what if someone went who wasn’t on a team bus? they have cars etc, you know.
MTU (aka GBURL) July 16th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
GB-
Morning.
Andy is as competitive and reliable as anyone on our staff.
Price has evolved into a beast.
But anyone can be beaten on any given day.
I hoping for 2 of 3 from the Rays.
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I’m hoping for 2 of 3 from Tampa, too. I’d take 2 of the Longoria/Crawford/Price group and ship a boatload of trolls and idiots to them.
can we begin to GTLU yet???
The question really should be:
Where was Jeter?
Mo, why is this such a big freaking deal about going to a man’s funeral. It’s pretty clear why Madden wrote the article and even clearer why people took the bait. Please get a life, for the love of Mo please…
Wouldn’t the Yankees know if the players were en route to the funeral?
If that story about the accident was true, the Yankees would know and they would say as such. Why would they want their players to look bad if there was a legit reason for them not being there, such as the accident?
The organization would know if that was true.
I don’t have much time to banter back and forth on this because I’m leaving shortly for an appointment, but what is it with people who continue to say that the only way to “fix” Joba is to send him down to the minors?
We all know he’s not pitched as well as he’s capable of but you can’t replace Joba in the 8th inning with nobody.
If this were fantasy baseball, perhaps the Yanks could pry Thornton and Soria away from the Sox and Royals but there’s no chance of that happening.
You have to replace Joba with someone and I haven’t seen anyone step up to take that joba way from him. Have you?
Robertson? I like Robertson but he isn’t the same guy he was last year either, at least not yet. Not missing nearly as many bats.
Park? Uh, no.
Marte? No thanks.
Mitre? He’s doing well this season but he’s got too long of a history of suckage to depend on him for that role.
Moseley and/or Gaudin? Not quite.
I know Albaladejo has supposedly reinvented himself and I’m sure he’ll get another shot to be a useful cog, but I sure as hell don’t see him as an EIG.
Maybe Hughes gets shifted to the pen in Sept and Oct but there are no other options internally as far as I can see.
Let’s all hope Joba can turn his season around because I don’t really see any other viable options anytime soon unless Cashman can swing a deal before the deadline.
The question really should be:
Where was Jeter?
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Tampa. Next question.
mick – who cares where jeter was? it’s not his responsibility to attend funerals for all yankee employees. just because he honors sheppard by having the voice recorded does not mean they were friends, it just means he’s honoring yankee tradition.
GTLU is Open for Business
Sorry for the extreme delay. Some stuff going on at home that needed my attention.
I will take lineups until an official one is posted.
Good luck.
So far, Erin and Fran (the original) have submitted lineups.
Jeter said he was flying straight to Tampa after the ASG. He was probably still in Tampa yesterday.
Why should he cut short his down time to attend a funeral? I understand he is the face of the organization, but he isn’t allowed to enjoy some downtime and not be obligated to attend every single Yankee event? He is human, too.
post all-star break i can not believe there are some “lunatics” who are arguing over which Yankees attended funerals!!
unreal.
Jeter lives in Tampa. he flew home after the all-star game, which is very appropriate.
“”# lolwut July 16th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
The question really should be:
Where was Jeter?
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Tampa. Next question.”
yeah during All Star Game pre game interviews he said he was going to Tampa right after the game
until all the details are known, lets hold off trashing Yankee players for not attending the funeral…given how they and other players from around MLB spoke about him, I am sure no one meant any disrespect.
Irreverent Discourse-
If that is your response then you have obviously lost all touch with reality, but like I said, I expected a response like that.
It had nothing to do with injury history, or the fact that that wrist had previously ended TWO of his seasons, it had to do with the fact that he got hit by a pitch!!!! Haha, yea, ok……
But seriously, continue toiling away in mom’s basement. I hope you see the sun one day.
Since Jeter is the face of the Yankees it is only natural to wonder where he was?
I, am by no means, castigating him for not being there, just wondering.
Perhaps, Cashman , advised none of them to attend as he would represent.
Sorry if anyone took it wrong.
GF-
“unless Cashman can swing a deal before the deadline.”
That’s what I’m hoping for.
if any yankee player should have attended the bob sheppard funeral it is derek jeter.he uses sheppards voice when he bats and talks about how great shepard was and he can not go to the funeral. thats bush league jeter.you should be ashamed.
GF – Exactly. That’s why people killing Joe and Cashman for keeping Joba up here and using him are not thinking about the situation clearly – they think every player who is struggling needs to be released or taught a lesson.
Joba is still the best of a bad bunch. Robertson has not been striking out guys at nearly the same clip as last year and his WHIP, even during the last month, is outrageous. No one else should even be mentioned in the pen.
Joba continues to get the ball because he is the best of a bad bunch. The Yankees realize this and that is why he will continue to pitch the 8th and not get sent down. Why would you send your “best” reliever to the minors, while useless parts like Gaudin, Mosely, Park are still here? That isn’t helping your pen, it is hurting it.
How does Fran do so well? Especially with the injuries and whatnot?
Anyway, here goes again –
Jeter ss
Swish rf
Tex 1b
Alex 3b
Cano 2b
Posada c
Granderson cf
Curtis dh
Brett lf
CC p
Hey Irreverent Discourse–
Funerals are archaic right? So if you die you can just stay buried in your mom’s basement. I doubt anyone would should up at your funeral anyway. But who cares? Funerals are archaic. That really sounds like a comment from some one with no friends or family. You at least have a mom though, as you are obviously toiling away in her basement right now.
if any yankee player should have attended the bob sheppard funeral it is derek jeter.he uses sheppards voice when he bats and talks about how great shepard was and he can not go to the funeral. thats bush league jeter.you should be ashamed.
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And apparently you have an IQ of 8.
Jeter. Was. In. Tampa.
Most likely with the STEINBRENNER FAMILY. Because, you know, if you heard, one of them may or may not have passed away recently.
It’s really not a good idea to pass judgment.
Lots of that going on today regarding players who don’t show up for OTD and now players who didn’t show up for a funeral.
the truth – are you 12? grow up.
The Truth –
RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE. You show all the signs of an INTERNET TOUGH GUY. They are also known to exist in their mom’s basements. I guess you two have something in common. How adorable.
the truth – apparently you weren’t watching the game where he actually, in fact, GOT HIT BY A PITCH… and had to leave early. i must have made that up in my head.
but by all means, keep harping on it like you are a genius. you’ll convince us all some day.
Let’s just say we pick up an EIG or a potential one.
Unless Joba is included in the deal, this could signal the end of Joba, as we know him now.
If demoted to the 7th inning or earlier, this would totally blow his mind and he will be worse than he is now.
If this is the case, you might as well trade him now when he still has value. He hasn’t been completely useless.
GB-
I don’t have good comeback for that but I sure agree about trading away as many trolls and impersonators as possible.
You might get a bucket of old golf balls for them to give to Randy.
Jeter clearly thought enough of Sheppard to make sure his introduction is a recording of Sheppard’s voice and even in the ASG, he used that intro music.
Let’s be real, unless there was some emergency or something that Jeter had to end, he looks bad here.
Jeter built a reputation for being classy, doing the right thing, and showing up at all these functions to represent the Yankees, yet he is missing from his funeral?
This isn’t some lower-level executive or fringe player… this is the voice of the Yankees.
LF Brett Gardner
SS Derek Jeter
1B Mark Teixeira
3B Alex Rodriguez
2B Robinson Cano
C Jorge Posada
RF Nick Swisher
CF Curtis Granderson
DH Marcus Thames
@Rage
HE WAS IN TAMPA. GEORGE STEINBRENNER HAS JUST PASSED AWAY FYI.
George Steinbrenner > Bob Sheppard.
The odds are Jeter was with the Steinbrenner family. Jeter being the last man George named CAPTAIN OF THE YANKEES and all….
Yanks will use damage control – saying that Jeter was with the Steinbrenner family or something. Whether or not that is true, we’ll never know, but there is no way the Yanks won’t take the bullet for Jeter. He’s allowed a reprieve.
who cares if its true or not? why weren’t yo uall at bob sheppards funeral? you call yourselves yankee fans?
Who do you send if not Jeter?
If he were in Tampa with the Steinbrenners then Cashman did the right thing by representing Jeter at the funeral.
Who said Jeter had to be the one who represent? If he was busy with the Steinbrenner family, then send MO, Posada or someone to Sheppard’s wedding.
You could have said that Jeter was with George’s family in Tampa and sent someone else to represent Sheppard.
Why is it any of you gossip queens business who did or didn’t show up at what services or why? It’s none of your business, my business or the media’s business. Go down to the local grocery store and get your weekly copies of National Enquirer, Mirror and Star rags.
If it isn’t people calling every loss the WORST LOSS OF THE YEAR!!1!11! or trading everyone away to get XXXX free agent to be, it’s people blasting the players for not attending the funeral.
Who cares who went or not? Jeter’s reputation is going to take a hit for not attending? Wow. I’m sure Minka Kelly or the Hall of Fame voters are really going to look at him differently for not attending.
Some of you people really are ridiculous.
…or you don’t send anyone to do something on one of their few days off, and let cashman represent the team.
just like they did it.
Funny, I’m ripping “Evil Empire” by Rage Against The Machine on my laptop at this very moment.
Good CD, but their 1st one was even better.
take 3 days off a month, for 6 straight months, and then give up one of those days to fly home early.
then you can start complaining about who was there and who wasn’t.
Again, the timing of both deaths made it a very difficult situation, especially considering it came while most players were scattered across the country, many of them trying to enjoy the only down-time they will have before November.
If the Sheppard family wanted player representation, all they had to do was have the funeral a day later. Considering there is a game tonight, I would imagine most players are in NY today and would be able to attend in the morning/afternoon.
It is difficult to ask players to represent if they hold a funeral during their off-time.
MTU (aka GBURL) July 16th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
GB-
I don’t have good comeback for that but I sure agree about trading away as many trolls and impersonators as possible.
You might get a bucket of old golf balls for them to give to Randy.
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I’ll autograph a copy of “GB7′s Snappy Comebacks And Nasty Remarks To Trolls, Whiners and Yankee Haters For The Internet”, and mail it to you. Enjoy and use it wisely, my son.
Tonight’s game is a must with Neiman and Price going in the next 2 . Should be able to hit Shields
GreenBeret7 July 16th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Looks like Pettitte drew the fuzzy end of the lolipop rotation this weekend.
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Were you watching West Wing reruns this morning? I only ask because that exact line “fuzzy end of the lolipop” was used.
take 3 days off a month, for 6 straight months, and then give up one of those days to fly home early.
then you can start complaining about who was there and who wasn’t.
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If it were Steinbrenners funeral, would you be saying that?
It’s like saying Sheppard didn’t rate enough to get one ballplayer there.
Jeter was probably w/ a lady friend, not the Stein family. The players don’t get a couple days off very often so I understand both sides but I do understand how it could look bad, especially all the attention Jeter got by using Shepard’s voice at the All Star game
Well, I’m sure some half-baked writer and some of the less discerning folks on here all know better than the Yankee players about integrity! Jeter has never shown he deserves the benefit of the doubt right? The fact that Jetes went to Tampa where George is along with all of the other Steinbrenner’s is somehow questioned?
What if Jeter went to NY, would a story about how Jeter dissed GMS make you angry too?
The things some folks think here really seems to defy logic. There is a whole lot more to being respectful everyday than attending a funeral. Cash was there to represent how the Yankees feel/felt about Mr. Sheppard! I certainly believe it is totally disrespectful to post that no Yankees were there!
Bruce July 16th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Who said Jeter had to be the one who represent? If he was busy with the Steinbrenner family, then send MO, Posada or someone to Sheppard’s wedding.
You could have said that Jeter was with George’s family in Tampa and sent someone else to represent Sheppard.
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“Sheppard’s wedding”, Gracie?
I think it’s really cool that the players will be honoring Bob Sheppard and George Steinbrenner every day for the rest of the season…
I asked yesterday but didn’t stick around for an answer – is Marcos Veccionachi possibly regaining some of his prospect luster?
He’s only 23 (though it seems like he’s been around forever) and a switch hitter with a 300 ba, 380 OBP and 8 HR so far this season.
I know it’s only been a few days, but does it feel like a month to anyone else since we’ve had a pitching matchup, pre game notes, or post game notes post? It does to me.
I don’t watch TV in the mornings, especially of reruns of idiotic shows. Fuzzy end of the lolipop has been in use for more than 5- years.
Asdf it’s felt like forever, especially without any other sports to entertain outside of golf….it really showed me how dependent I am on sporting events as part of my t.v. routine lol
mick – yes i would, because i don’t think george will care who is standing around at his funeral. what he would care about would be the health and well being of his players.
GB-
“I’ll autograph a copy of “GB7’s Snappy Comebacks And Nasty Remarks To Trolls, Whiners and Yankee Haters For The Internet”, and mail it to you. Enjoy and use it wisely, my son.”
Are you sure you want to entrust that kind of raw power to me ?
m-
I agree with you, and I hope the Yankees use those losses as extra motivation to help them win #28. An honorarium of sorts.
Here’s the bigger question.
Why didn’t any of you idiots who are bashing the players for not going go yourselves? You live in another state? Get there. You don’t know the man? Get there. You’ve got a family to take care of? Get there.
I’m going to guess that those are some of the reasons the Yankees didn’t go. I bet none of them make it to Stein’s funeral in Tampa, as they all have a job to do that day. You know, win baseball games.
Morons. Not all of you, but most of you.
Only to be read by those of you who covet Adam Dunn, from River Ave. Blues:
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....unn-32049/
Fuzzy end of the lolipop has been in use for more than ***50*** years.
even if jeter were in tampa he could have taken a plane to the funeral and back to tampa.lets be real jeter was the only yankee who should have been there.he is the only yankee to use sheppard voice and doesnt give sheppards family the curtsy of going to the funeral. bull crap jeter. jeter is the face of the yankees using the voice of the yankees for his own thing.
“# Everyone sucks except SJ and CB and Doreen July 16th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Here’s the bigger question.
Why didn’t any of you idiots who are bashing the players for not going go yourselves? You live in another state? Get there. You don’t know the man? Get there. You’ve got a family to take care of? Get there.
I’m going to guess that those are some of the reasons the Yankees didn’t go. I bet none of them make it to Stein’s funeral in Tampa, as they all have a job to do that day. You know, win baseball games.
Morons. Not all of you, but most of you.
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I didn’t get an invite
Doreen
SS Jeet
RF Swish
1B Tex
3B Alex
2B Robbie
C Po
DH Thames
CF Grandy
LF GGBG
thanks…had decided on this line in the am, and was happy to see Erin and Fran posted the same
There are lots of former players who live in the area and didn’t bother showing up as well. The Yankees blew this one — a few phone calls and some guys would have been there for sure.
Madden’s column is just another example of a NY writer who appointed hmself the morality police.
the voice of the yankees belongs to the yankees, not bob sheppard. if you could ask him, i bet he would say the same thing.
jeter honors the yankees by using the vaoice, not bob sheppard.
you tabloid hussies need to get over it.
Yo Sandy G, how do you know Jeter didn’t pay for the mans funeral himself?
Know the facts before you pass judgement.
Moron.
MTU (aka GBURL) July 16th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
GB-
“I’ll autograph a copy of “GB7’s Snappy Comebacks And Nasty Remarks To Trolls, Whiners and Yankee Haters For The Internet”, and mail it to you. Enjoy and use it wisely, my son.”
Are you sure you want to entrust that kind of raw power to me
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Just don’t go hog wild and OD on the power of the book. It’s not really supposed to be used by amateurs. Read only one page a day. Wear asbestos gloves. This stuff is RED HOT.
probably wouldn’t be an issue if Jeter didn’t use his voice still…..no one would have expected AROD there
And we have an offday again on Monday, as if we need it.
Why not give us an off-day when we play like 40 games in 42 days in July/August?
The following people have submitted lineups for GTLU. If you submitted one, and don’t see your name, please let me know.
Erin
Fran (the Original)
Joe from Long Island
David in Cal
RayVT
Jeter-SS
Swish-RF
Tex-1B
ARod-3B
Cano-2B
Posada-DH
Granderson-CF
Cervelli-C
Gardner-LF
Irreverent Discourse July 16th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
rich – i’ll keep that in mind when reading your posts.
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Thanks. I am of the belief that no position on the field is characterized by more variability in performance than a reliever. That is probably compounded by the pressure of pitching in NY (see Hawkins, Latroy and Park, Chan Ho).
Consequently, because I want the Yankees to be in a position to win every year for the next ten years, and not just this year and next, I don’t believe it’s smart to trade top prospects for a reliever.
“……doesnt give sheppards family the curtsy of going to the funeral.”
Jeter curtsying? Nah.
sandy g July 16th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
even if jeter were in tampa he could have taken a plane to the funeral and back to tampa.lets be real jeter was the only yankee who should have been there.he is the only yankee to use sheppard voice and doesnt give sheppards family the curtsy of going to the funeral. bull crap jeter. jeter is the face of the yankees using the voice of the yankees for his own thing.
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HE WAS IN TAMPA. Not “even if he were.” That is where his actual location was. So you expect him to fly from anaheim to tampa to ny to tampa to ny in that short of time. That was pretty much what you just said.
You really cannot be this stupid. For the sake of humankind please tell me you are a troll.
I don’t understand how we can even comment on this. We’re not privy to private conversations I’m sure Jeter had with the team, the MLB and the shepard family. How can we judge a situation that we have no way of seeing the full scope of?
Morons. Not all of you, but most of you.
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always good to hear from the azzhole fringe.
rich – i whole-heartedly agree, but if we expect to acquire anyone that will fill Mo’s shoes when he goes(and apparently, we expect that same performance out of our EIG because we’re insane), it’s very likely we will have to pay for that performance.
Jeter has earned the right to do whatever he wants – but it’s just odd he doesn’t show up to the funeral of a guy who he handpicked to introduce his name. He obviously has great respect for him.
No one cares if A-Rod and co. show up. Jeter is held to a different standard, not appointed by the media, but by his own classy actions over the years that dictated that he would be there because he was at much smaller events.
I made a bet with SJ44 a while back: Nick Johnson will not play more thna 90 games for Yanks this season.
I guess I will win the bet and SJ44 will be wrong as usual.
Doreen-
I’ll give it a shot for a change.
ss jeter
cf grandy
1b tex
3b A-rod
2b cano
c posada
rf swisher
dh curtis
lf ggbg
Thanks.
well he does dress up in women’s clothing on occasion
Ralph K, I’m sure YOU have plenty of time off. What is this us/we you’re talking about?
What is GTLU?
You won a meaningless internet bet. Good for you. Proud times.
People honor people’s lives in many different ways, some public like going to the funeral, some private, like making a donation or some other such thing.
It really is no one else’s business.
Cashman was there (and others) representing the Yankees.
In addition, many retired Yankees do not live in the area and it would be an expense to fly to the funeral (and some retired ballplayers are not millionaires), some are just old, and some are dead.
“Fuzzy end of the lolipop”
What does it mean? Is it still sticky if it’s fuzzy? Isn’t the other end a stick? So neither end tastes good, right? It just doesn’t create a clear reaction in my mind.
Asdf -
Guess The Line Up.
It’s a game.
Click on my name for more details.
but what if it was for a million internet dollars?
GreenBeret7 July 16th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
I don?t watch TV in the mornings, especially of reruns of idiotic shows. Fuzzy end of the lolipop has been in use for more than 5- years.
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Take it easy, I just found it an odd coincidence.
Asdf
its “guess the line up” where we try to guess what line up Griardi will come up with.
It is a pleasant diversion while waiting for the game…much better than discussing why the players didn’t attend a funeral or complaining about new YS
Or a million Stanley nickels?
Can you guess which center fielder who played at the All Star game, who bats righty has a .187 average against lefties, compared to Granderson’s 1st half average of .207?
Doreen-Here’s my “stab” at GTLU- Go Yankees!
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Tex 1B
A-Rod 3B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Granderson CF
Thames DH
Gardner LF
A name people should consider for the 8th inning – Trevor Hoffman.
He is a classic change of scenery guy. Had a 1.8 ERA last year. Not to mention, the AL hasn’t seen him, so he could fool AL hitters for a while.
He has pitched in big games before, he obviously knows how to handle pressure.
Well now I just don’t know what YS means. I just can’t win it seems.
jim – no, no, no, no. we don’t want anyone accidentally reading that.
LF Gardner
SS Jeter
1B Teixeira
3B Rodriguez
2B Cano
RF Swisher
C Posada
DH Curtis
CF Granderson
Thank you Doreen!
asdf – you do know that your name consists of letters on a keyboard?
Yankee Trader July 16th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Only to be read by those of you who covet Adam Dunn, from River Ave. Blues:
http://riveraveblues.com/2010/…..unn-32049/
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I’m on board.
David Adams, Zach McAllister and Pat Venditte for Adam Dunn!
I am a Yankee player, so I can use the term “we” and “us”.
Jeter – SS
Swisher – RF
Tex – 1b
Alex – 3b
Cano – 2b
Posada – DH
Granderson – CF
Cervelli – C
Gardner – LF
I trust Marte over Joba right now.
Marte’s only problem is walking RHB and I think/hope his control would be better with more regular work as he would get as the main guy behind Mo in the BP.
In the playoffs last year he really benefited from consistent action.
Dunn would be a waste, Where would he play?
Do we really want to a clog up the DH with a slugger? It is fine being used as a waste station for the older players now. Offense is not our problem
A name people should consider for the 8th inning – Trevor Hoffman.
He is a classic change of scenery guy. Had a 1.8 ERA last year. Not to mention, the AL hasn’t seen him, so he could fool AL hitters for a while.
He has pitched in big games before, he obviously knows how to handle pressure.
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Hoffman is way off his game at this point.
Gardy – LF
Jete – SS
Tex – 1b
ARod- 3b
Robbie – 2b
swish – Rf
po – dh
grandy – cf
cervy – c
just being creative.
“Do we really want to a clog up the DH with a slugger? ”
The short answer is “yes”.
Although if the slugger could play OF that would be best.
I do, but I should mention this: 1. It is actually a shortened version of my usual nickname and does hold meaning to me. 2. When I post here during games I use Asd because I’m on my computer I use this one when on my itouch so I can tell where each was made if need be.
Edwar Ramirez is a better choice than Trevor Hoffmann.
“Only to be read by those of you who covet Adam Dunn, from River Ave. Blues”
Dunn would be such a force in the middle of the Yankee lineup playing half his games at the stadium. Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like the Nationals have much interest in trading him. I would be just as happy if they could manage to acquire Willingham. He’s been mentioned around here lately, and I agree that he would be a great addition to the lineup. The Granderson post this morning prompted me to look at his splits–it’s not surprising, but I certainly didn’t realize he has OPS’d .829 vs. RHP but only .537 vs. LHP. Adding Willingham to the OF/DH rotation would make it much easier sit Granderson vs. LHP and compensate for the current lack of a DH. Girardi obviously likes to use the DH spot to rest the older guys, something he could easily do when Granderson sits. I think the Yankees are the best team in baseball, but they could obviously use a bat and a reliever. Considering how unpredictable relievers are, I hope they put their assets toward a quality hitter instead.
Poor swish, always being put so low in the lineup.
Dunn is redundant, doesn’t help us against lefties. Can’t platoon with Granderson either.
We need a RH bat, not a LH one.
Give me the Big Donkey (Adam Dunn) a slight upgrade over Pena on the bench (Theriot) and a relief pitcher who can be counted on (Joel Hanrahan – Pirates) and I’ll be a super happy camper.
Thanks to those who answered the question about players not going to the Sheppard funeral.
I’m thinking make a deal with the Marlins, who want to unload salary, for arbitration eligible outfielder Cody Ross and reliever Leo Nunez who can actually throw strikes, willing to take on FA 3rd baseman Jorge Cantu and the rest of his 6M salary. All areas, bench, right handed OF’er and EIG with one trade!!
What does it take, realistically?
Does. not. look. good. for. our. hitters. this series.
We. will. be. lucky. to. not. get. swept. by. the. Rays. –. very., very., lucky.
Let. us. hope. for. one. out. of. three.
joel hanrahan of the career 4.6 era and over 4 this season… can be counted on? lol…
I don’t understand why no one seems to have heard Dunn’s feelings on the matter. He does not want to go to the American League. He does not want to DH. Why would you want a potentially unhappy guy here who doesn’t want to do the job the Yankees would be getting him to do?
I realize he may have no say in the matter. I realize that if he has no other options, he could end up DHing. But it won’t be the situation people think it will be. Unhappy players don’t usually do very well.
yankee trader – the marlins will not move nunez.
Edwar Ramirez is a better choice than Trevor Hoffmann.
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I know you meant that as a joke, but Ramirez probably does have a better change-up at this point than Hoffman!
Just because Jodi mac thinks Hoffman would be a good idea doesn’t mean it is. The guy is done with a capital D in the NL central…it would be a grease fire in the AL east.
YT-
I’m already down with that trade.
Since we are taking on cantu’s salary we give a bit less in prospects.
What do the marlin’s covet ?
Let’s give them a list of players and let them pick 3 or 4.
asdf
YS = Yankee Stadium
“the marlins will not move nunez.”
They might:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....nunez.html
complaining about Pena is lame…. he plays great defense and while his average is somewhat low this season he continues to come through in RBI situations…… good situational hitter, good bunter, excellent defense… he is not a problem
other than maybe another bullpen arm, the Yanks don’t really need much of anything
Trevor Hoffman?
If Jody McDonald is actually suggesting this then I have a hard time believing he’s really the son of a former GM.
How the heck can you look at Hoffman and say “yup, there’s a guy I want to add to my pen.”
Even when he was good he was still pretty bad in big spots.
ID-
Nunez makes 2 million and is arb eligible for 2 more years. Granted the Marlins say they are looking for relievers, even unloading Renyel Pinto, who was doing well, but throw in a cheaply paid reliever, David Robertson??, and maybe we could find ourselves with an EIG.
“rich – i whole-heartedly agree, but if we expect to acquire anyone that will fill Mo’s shoes when he goes(and apparently, we expect that same performance out of our EIG because we’re insane), it’s very likely we will have to pay for that performance.”
But that day hasn’t arrived. When it does, and if an in-house solution hasn’t emerged and no FA is available, the topic can be re-visited.
It is possible that Dunn is just bsing about the not wanting to DH thing.
He is an impending free agent and if he insists he can play a position on the field he will get much more money.
DH’s just don’t command big salaries anymore.
Also, as an impending FA coming to the Yankees and pouting about his role or not performing his best because he is unhappy would not be a very good business decision at all.
I wouldn’t want to swap Robertson for Nunez personally.
MTU and Yankee Trader -
I’m on board with a pick up of Ross, Nunez and Cantu, I just don’t know that it’ll happen. There’s still probably a good deal of bad blood between the Marlins and Girardi and I’m not sure that they would want to do anything to help him out.
How about Clint Barmes and Huston Street from the Rockies for Ramiro Pena, Mark Melancon and Zach McAllister?
And I’m warming to a separate trade for Jose Guillen
I wouldn’t want to swap Robertson for Nunez personally.
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If I had a chance to turn my 2010 grade into an A- from a C, to get a 26 yo EIG I might do it!
YT and WYH – i didn’t realize he was arb eligible already. i can definitely see them trying to get him out of there… it’s an overpay situation but he is AWESOME…
Yankee Trader July 16th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Edwar Ramirez is a better choice than Trevor Hoffmann.
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I know you meant that as a joke, but Ramirez probably does have a better change-up at this point than Hoffman
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afternoon, Trader. Hope all is well with you and your family.
I’m somewhat undecided as to whether I was joking or not. I expected a fall-off from Hoffmann, but, I never expected him to disappear like this.
Hey. Can any of the regulars help me , please. Does terrace seating mean you are under the overhang and out of the sun? I need to take someone to the game who can’t be in the sun?
Thank you. Sorry for goping off topic.
LGY -
Anything is possible. But I tend to take the guy at his word. He might make more money playing the field somewhere else, but he could probably make more money DHing for the Yankees.
He said he likes playing the field. And doesn’t want to not play the field.
Has Dunn ever been strictly a DH?
We have lots of first-hand experience here in NY with players who really don’t want to DH and hence do not do very well at it (in small sample sizes, of course!
)
I’ll throw another name into the hopper:
Casey Blake.
RH bat with some power capable of playing some 3b, RF, 1b and Dhing.
Maybe work out a deal for him (possibly with Jamey Carroll)? Dodgers are obviously in a bad way financially and dealing those two would save them some $$$ and neither would probably cost a ton in prospects given that they’re both 36.
If by some miracle the Yankees could get Hong Chi Kuo as well, I would be agreeable to that.
at what point did we stop referring to them as “set-up men”?
For 1\2 a season, with a chance to really pad his stats and win a WS ring (for a guy who talks about how badly he wants to win)… I doubt Dunn would complain much.
People know that he can play the field, he has done it his whole career. So him being a DH for 70 games won’t hurt his value. His value will only go up when he mashes at YS.
I’m sure they will reach out to Dunn’s representatives before making a deal anyway, so what he said in the past has no baring on making a deal for him.
Doreen -
Dunn has spent his entire career in the National League – so he’s never been a full time DH.
GTLU participants so far:
Erin
Fran (the Original)
Joe from Long Island
David in Cal
RayVT
Warning Track Power
MTU
Yankee Trader
Comet
Chip
joe
Do the deal Cashman !
Leo Nunez and Cody Ross for Joba Chamberlain and Kevin Russo.
Chip
Then I really take him at his word.
Also, how sure can anyone be that he can hit AL pitching, then?
Guys who could be made available in a trade with the Marlins (not a complete list):
Adams
Nova/Noesi
Z-Mac
Pena/Russo
Miranda
Jorge Vasquez
Albaladejo
Kontos
Leo Nunez
Park
Curtis
etc.
Others are expendable for the right trade combo.
I imagine that Dunn said he doesn’t want to be a DH, he meant long-term.
To play less than half a season as a DH shouldn’t be a big deal.
“If I had a chance to turn my 2010 grade into an A- from a C, to get a 26 yo EIG I might do it!”
Nunez is having a good year, but he’s also had some average years. His strikeout rate this year is significantly higher than his career rate. He’d be moving from the NL to the AL East. Robertson is a good young pitcher, cheap, with considerable upside. I could see a lot of ways that deal could turn out not so good.
joba will be arb eligible next year, so i dont think the marlins would take him. people need to resign to the fact that joba will be here, or he will not be playing baseball.
Sorry Chip-
Rockies are in the race and won’t want to swap two starters for those three.
From cbssportline.com:
“Jose Guillen could struggle in 2nd half: Royals outfielder Jose Guillen has historically struggled in the second half of the season. Guillen is a career .276 hitter in the first half but that number drops to .265 after the All-Star break”-might be interested if, and only if, Royals ate most of his remaining 12 million!
Dunn has a 1.035 OPS in 18 games as a DH
Yeah, I bet Cashman has turned off all of his phones to stop them from the constant ringing with GMs clamoring for Kevin Russo.
Hi Doreen,
Lots of lefties in the lineup tonight for me.
Jeter-ss
Swish-dh
Tex-1b
Arod-3b
Cano-2b
Posada-c
Granderson-cf
Curtis-rf
Gardner-lf
“Still can’t figure out what Joe Girardi was thinking in the All-Star Game. He knew it determined home field advantage in the Series, right? A-Rod looked pretty ticked off at the end that he didn’t get in. So at least there was a silver lining.” Pete Abe
its the perfect ploy by girardi. we don’t have a DH, so playing an extra game in an NL park won’t hurt a bit.
We have three choices for our EIG IMHO:
1. Pray to God that Joba turns it around.
2. Pray a lot more that Albaladejo is that guy.
3. Make a trade and pray some more that it helps us get to the WS!!
YT-
4) Pray that your prayers are answered.
SS DJ
RF Swish
1B Tex
3B A-Rod
2B Cano
C Jorge
CF Granderson
DH Thames
CF Gardy
Doreen
I posted a line up at 2:33
Doreen .. GTLU
SS Jeter
RF Swish
1B Tex
3B A-Rod
2B Cano
C Posada
DH Thames
CF Granderson
LF Gardner
Thanks
“Still can’t figure out what Joe Girardi was thinking in the All-Star Game. He knew it determined home field advantage in the Series, right? A-Rod looked pretty ticked off at the end that he didn’t get in. So at least there was a silver lining.” Pete Abe
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lmao… gotta love pete abe
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Where did Juan Miranda come from? When did he get called up, and who went down?
Ledger_Yankees Jeter 6, Swisher 9, Teixeira 3, Rodriguez 5, Cano 4, Posada 2, Granderson 8, Miranda dh, Gardner 7, Sabathia 1.
No Russo on list.
Joe –
I asked the same question
Looks like bye-bye russo
so no one wins GTLU
bill lee trashes george
mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/07/16/bill-spaceman-lee-isnt-shedding-any-tears-for-george-steinbre/
Miranda has been hot lately at AAA.
Russo wasn’t contributing much.
Russo’s last start was June 19th.
He has gotten 2 ABs since then
Sending him down was long overdue.
For those that will consider yammering on about who did and didn’t attend the wake and funeral of Bob Sheppard, read this and then shut up about it. If you can’t read, go get some first grader to help you out.
http://www.drvc.org/2010-press.....neral.html
Why the heck wasn’t Miranda at the funeral if he’s on the roster????
jax gmen July 16th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
“Still can’t figure out what Joe Girardi was thinking in the All-Star Game. He knew it determined home field advantage in the Series, right? A-Rod looked pretty ticked off at the end that he didn’t get in. So at least there was a silver lining.” Pete Abe
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lmao… gotta love pete abe
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Yeah, I suppose you do if you’re as much of a jerk as PA is.
upstate kate -
I added your lineup.
I have the following lineups:
Erin
Fran (the Original)
Joe from Long Island
David in Cal
RayVT
Warning Track Power
MTU
Yankee Trader
Comet
Chip
joe
Patrick from CT
weez
upstate kate
SportsGeek
Unless I missed you prior to the lineups being posted from Twitter here, no more lineups will be submitted in GTLU.
(Although it looks like it doesn’t matter, since Joe Girardi once again had inside info.
)
Re: Madden’s article. Spot on. I love the Yankees, but they made a big blunder here. I am not going to be an apologist and justify their need for “down time.” I travel tons, and work in the public eye, and I am exhausted, but you bet your bottom I will be there if an elder employee or even a distant but important member of my family G-d forbid passed away.
Now, I hope to hear the Yankees’ side of the story on who represented the team, etc. But right now, I don’t disagree with Madden.
i’m sure the disdain on a-rods face had nothing to do with the fact that the allstar game was just lost in front of him. i’m sure he really cares about playing in exhibition games with a bum hip and thumb.
GreenBeret7 July 16th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
For those that will consider yammering on about who did and didn?t attend the wake and funeral of Bob Sheppard, read this and then shut up about it. If you can?t read, go get some first grader to help you out.
http://www.drvc.org/2010-press…..neral.html
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Makes sense – can you imagine the crush of people there looking for the players disrupting the actual, you know, funeral
I’m currently in Goose Creek SC (home of Justin Smoak) on my way to Charleston for a few days so I probably wont be around much….but I hope the ceremonies go well tonight and hope they also play well this weekend. Go Yankees!
Let’s hope Miranda gets the jobe done at DH this time.
If not the Yankees do need to get another bat.
I think Addam Dunn would be great, but that’s a long shot.
Well, I guess it makes sense – Russo wasn’t being used much, though he did play hard. And, I still think they need to give Miranda ML playing time – they can’t stash him at AAA forever, and if they’re going to trade him, he has to establish that he can hit ML pitching.
I don’t think many people would shed tears for Bill Lee.
I want to make an executive GTLU decision here.
No one knew that Miranda was on the roster.
I think it may have made a difference for some lineups.
I want to NOT COUNT today’s GTLU.
Opinions?
The journalistic standards in this country have reached all-time lows.
Articles taking attendance of a funeral, without having any background knowledge of the players, requests, travel plans etc?
Continuing to rehash this tired topic of A-Rod not PHing in an exhibition game?
So tiresome…
Ledger_Yankees TBS announced it will air Boss related episodes of Seinfeld starting next Monday. Cool tribute.
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Traveling from the main island to Hydra Island hardly qualifies as working in the public eye.
Doreen – How is this different from the situation where Joe knows player is hurting, and sits him accordingly, but the public (namely, us) aren’t cognizant of that fact? Joe will always have better information than us. I see it as part of the GTLU experience.
Blake-
safe trip.
behave yourself.
Joe from Long Island -
Noted.
Anyone else?
Blake
have a good trip
Rishi
enjoy the game
Doreen
arrrgggg…Girardi wins again
I’m not sure why anyone cares what Bill Madden thinks. It’s a shame he’s probably getting a spike in book sales from the passing of GMS.
I don’t even care if the book it good. I refuse to read anything he writes.
Rishi, the published church release, I assume nobody that was “invited” to the funeral other than family and close friends and according to this only family to the cemetary. Nobody was at either walk. Madden seems to have forgotten to add this, or the fact that the media was not allowed on the church grounds. I’m not Catholic, but, aren’t these services especially private affairs?
@Doreen: I think your insticts in this case are sound. Minor injuries and days of rest are always a potential factor in the linuep, but not knowing a player has been added to the roster rarely is.
The question is academic since there were no winners.
The change from last year’s fascist GTLU regime to this year’s GTLU Spring continues to refresh the soul.
doreen – what does it matter if noone got it right?
# Nick in SF in Vallejo, hometown of CC Sabathia July 16th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Traveling from the main island to Hydra Island hardly qualifies as working in the public eye.
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Hello Nick. It’s good to see you out of those chains.
There are different publics, Nick. If you only know how in demand and popular I am with the Dharma residents.
Madden made the baseball writer’s HOF
GB7 -
That media advisory makes it quite clear. Thanks. Why couldn’t the media find this by the way??
And it clearly said family only at the cemetery.
I want to make an executive GTLU decision here.
No one knew that Miranda was on the roster.
I think it may have made a difference for some lineups.
I want to NOT COUNT today’s GTLU.
Opinions?
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i disagree.
that’s how the cookie crumbles sometimes.
Doreen
you are the executive director of GTLU, so I am happy w/ whatever you decide
I actually did look at the active roster this am, and didn’t see Miranda, but I would most likely have selected Thames anyway
Rishi, that TBS thing is awesome, thanks for posting…I wonder if they will be promoting that on Sunday when they’re airing Rays/NYY?
Miranda’s back????
Ledger_Yankees TBS announced it will air Boss related episodes of Seinfeld starting next Monday. Cool tribute
That just made my day.
Ben Linus July 16th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Re: Madden’s article. Spot on. I love the Yankees, ***but they made a big blunder here.***
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I’d assume your parents must have felt the same about you.
Irreverent Discourse -
I’m keeping a winning percentage as part of the standings.
Not sure what I’ll do with it, but counting a loss would affect the pct.
So, I have one for counting today’s game; one against.
Nick
I think you are taking advantage of the fact that someone is off at the beach today…or you would have gotten a well deserved hiss for that comment
“If you only know how in demand and popular I am with the Dharma residents.”
Sounds like a gas.
“For those that will consider yammering on about who did and didn’t attend the wake and funeral of Bob Sheppard, read this and then shut up about it. If you can’t read, go get some first grader to help you out.”
I read it. I’ve been trying to find a first grader to see what light it casts on the controversy but there’s none around.
Doreen – GTLU Stuff & Photos July 16th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
GB7 -
That media advisory makes it quite clear. Thanks. Why couldn’t the media find this by the way??
And it clearly said family only at the cemetery.
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I guess the only reason that Madden knows all of this stuff is because he was peeking in the windows. You know that this is becoming a gold mine for Madden and he’s loving it.
upstate kate, my aim is true.
# GreenBeret7 July 16th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
Ben Linus July 16th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Re: Madden’s article. Spot on. I love the Yankees, ***but they made a big blunder here.***
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I’d assume your parents must have felt the same about you.
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It never gets old with you, huh GI Joe? You are obnoxious. Someone expresses an opinion and you bully.
You’re a comments section bully.
Okay -
I will count today’s GTLU.
There are no winners in today’s GTLU.
“I read it. I’ve been trying to find a first grader to see what light it casts on the controversy but there’s none around.”
I finally found one and he explained it to me. But then he asked me whether any players were at the Mass?
doreen – yeah i just noticed you have the winning % on the website. i don’t participate, but i would count it as a loss if i were running it. as was said above, it’s no different than a late injury, off day, or otherwise any reason we don’t know that a player would be available or not. rather than make exceptions every time roster moves are made incognito as this one was
Doreen-Can you post the actual line-up please???
“Doreen-Can you post the actual line-up please???”
You expect Doreen to beat Chad or Sam?
ben linus – bully or not, he’s right. only family was invited, so you should retract your “yankees blunder” nonsense.
Warning Track Power -
Sure:
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Grandy CF
Miranda DH
Gardner LF
Catcher Mike Redmond was released by the Cleveland Indians.
Ladies and gentlemen, meet your new Boston Red Sox catcher, Mike Redmond”.
I will count today’s GTLU.
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BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
(disclaimer: I don’t play GLTU)
ok so which player was sent down to make room for Miranda?
Two players #Yankees would love to have: Dunn, Soria. #Nationals’ price on Dunn exorbitant. #Royals would need to be overwhelmed. #MLB
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-Ken Rosenthal
getting news around here today is exhausting.
where are the key players???
My feeling was that usually we do learn about roster changes during the course of the day. If the roster change was publicized in the middle of GTLU, I would have given people the opportunity to change their lineups.
It’s not a big deal, though.
And, if someone had won (someone with close ties to Joe Girardi
), without the change being known, I would have counted it.
“Two players #Yankees would love to have: Dunn, Soria. #Nationals’ price on Dunn exorbitant. #Royals would need to be overwhelmed. #MLB
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-Ken Rosenthal
Does the package of McAllsiter, Miranda, and Adams consider “overwhelming”?
LGY-
Leave it to Rosenthal to state the obvious.
If the Yanks wanted either one of them that badly they would be in pinstripes already. We have enough to get them. We just don’t want to pay the price.
Ledger_Yankees Mitre must throw side on Saturday then Yankees will decide what to do. Miranda up for Russo. Will get ABs.
The Soria Fuse has been lit.
So it’s back to the future with a Thames-Miranda DH combo.
Or is it back to the past ?
Whatever.
Nick-
Why the sad smiley over Soria ?
Costs too much in prospects ?
The Soria Fuse will lead to an explosion of breathless commentary and speculation here on the LoHud.
As well as revenge comments.
No one is safe.
Bret-
Your shinning moment may be upon you.
The name. The only name. Has been uttered by Rosenthal.
Does the package of McAllsiter, Miranda, and Adams consider “overwhelming”?
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Gotta start with Montero/Romine to be considered overwhelming IMO.
1. Jeter SS
2. Swisher DH
3. Tex 1B
4. Arod 3B
5. Cano 2B
6 Posada DH
7 Grandy CF
8 Cervelli C
9. Gardner LF
Gracias!
Nick-
It fills the time. What the heck.
Romine for Soria would be tempting IF the Yanks are convinced that Montero can stay at C.
Shepard Funeral Reminder: Private funeral service a memorial will be at a later date.
For all you brightsy’s that means, family only not even close personal friends!
Also, this is the only break players can get for the entire season pretty much. They do have family needs too..
Dang I didn’t know that they had called Miranda up. I bet they use him as the DH then and put Jorge back at catcher…
Dang I didn’t know that they had called Miranda up. I bet they use him as the DH then and put Jorge back at catcher…
Tonight we start an impressive 3 game sweep of the Rays to put them 5 back in the loss column and headed well back of us, along with the BoSux, for the rest of the season…
Thank you, Rip Van Tyler.
Even if I was convinced that Montero could stick at catcher, I still wouldn’t trade Romine for Soria. In my mind, Romine could fetch far better. He’s probably the 2nd best catching prospect in the game right now with Posey and Santana in the bigs. I think Romine can land a Lee type pitcher while a guy like Eduardo Nunez (even though at this point I wouldn’t trade him as he’s beginning to really look a legitimate future starting shorstop but my point is somebody of his status) could be expendable for bullpen help. I would shoot for an ace or big bat with a guy like Romine.
Watching the Nettles Yankeeography. It’s hard to believe that there’s any way that Brooks Robinson ever had a better defensive WS than Nettles did in 1977 and especially 1978. He was absolutely spectacular.
Van Tyler?
tyler – soria is damn near a lee type player.
LGY-
As good as Soria is I don’t see the Yankees offering Romine or Montero for him.
Those guys are reserved for elite starters not closers.
Now if they want to talk Adams, etc., etc. That’s a different story.
‘Cos it seems like you just woke up.
Irreverent Discourse July 16th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
tyler – soria is damn near a lee type player.
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No, he is a reliever. A great Reliever but still a reliever. Lee is a top 5 pitcher in baseball, apples and Oranges.
Nick-
Is Petaluma anywhere near you ?
irreverent-
first of all unless you turn soria back into a starter (which I heard is possible since he throws like 6 pitches) he will never be anywhere near a lee type starter. An ace is worth 100 times more than even a good closer in my book just by sheer impact on the game. and i thought that soria wasn’t even having that great of a year this year? I know he had a very high WHIP through the beginning of the season. Don’t know if he’s straightened that out though but relief pitchers with a high WHIP are not very good. Yes, Soria would be an improvement over our current eighth inning guy. But I also am concerened about moving a pretty long-time closer into a setup role (see Gagne, Eric. Boston Red Sox.
MTU,
Agree on all counts. No way I would trade those guys for Soria. JMO of what it would take it they need to be “overwhelmed”
nick-
haha been busy. just started working in a lab on monday. not used to this 9-5 stuff.
“I think Romine can land a Lee type pitcher ”
But would you want to trade a talent like that for a guy we can get in 3 months anyway? Not to mention, we didn’t even need him.
At least in Soria’s case, he is locked up cheaply for the next several seasons, fills our only need and provides insurance for MO, and finding good closers are so rare.
I understand what you’re saying, but I think Soria for the next several years is better value than Lee for 3 months.
I am approximately 35 miles from Petaluma at the moment.
“Puff” Nettles had a swing made for Yankee Stadium. A vacuum cleaner at 3rd base.
A great dry humor similar to GB-7′s.
LGY-
OK dejo. I just wanted to clarify.
“Two players #Yankees would love to have: Dunn, Soria. #Nationals’ price on Dunn exorbitant. #Royals would need to be overwhelmed. #MLB
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Anything could happen in the sports business. For example, in the NBA, the Grizzlies did send Pau Gasol to the Los Angeles Red Sox for two apples and an egg shell.
If this was Lee of last year, it is a different argument.
Trading for Lee this year didn’t even fill a need, unless it pushed Hughes to the pen. All it was doing is removing one of our most effective pitchers since May and trading him away.
Nick-
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Doreen,
My line up:
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Teixera 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Granderson CF
Thames DH
Gardner LF
Thanks a million
soria is the closest thing in the majors to Mo (and has been compared to Mo on several occasions by players, not blog writers). I understand he’s not a starter and holds less value than lee, i don’t need a lesson on player values i’m the one spouting off fangraphs values on a daily basis.
he is entirely worth the price of whatever prospect we give up, especially our “2nd” minor league catcher who will lose value every day we don’t trade him and other teams realize he can’t catch.
Ortiz, Wakefield, and Varitek will all be back with the Sockies in 2011. The last links to the 2004 team must remain.
Bill-
I agree that Lee wasn’t a need this year. While he would have made the rotation historically good and probably made the Yankees the clearcut favorite to repeat ( if they aren’t already) but I’m glad they didn’t give up Montero and others. Keep the system loaded for a big trade in the future that could really fix a gaping hole on the team via injuries etc.
I just don’t think Soria is worth a top prospect. For all we know, Abaladejo or a guy like Nova could end up doing the same thing
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Irreverent-
Romine can catch. There is no debate that he will stay at catcher in the bigs. He does need to improve on certain things but he will stick at catcher, making his .280 20 homer projection extremely valuable. Unless you are calling Montero the “2nd catcher” then that’s a different story.
I would give up a second tier guy like Nunez, Adams, or Mcallister for Soria. Nothing more. Guys from the minors have been known to be able to come up and plug gaps in the bullpen (like Robertson last year).
tyler – i was referring to montero as the 2nd catcher, he is a hitter first, catcher second… or third… heh
the problem is that what you would give up (second tier prospect) doesn’t equate to what the royals will ask for a guy that has been one of the top 5 or 6 closers in baseball for the last 3 years. for that consistency and, if you haven’t seen him pitch, raw talent… i would trade any prospect in our system since they are just that… prospects.
also, gagne is a poor example, unless soria is going to be coming off of multiple surgeries soon