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Game 93: Yankees vs. Angels

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Jul 21, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

YANKEES (58-34)
Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Juan Miranda DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Francisco Cervelli C
Brett Gardner LF

RHP Javier Vazquez (7-7, 4.45)
Vazquez vs. Angels

ANGELS (51-45)
Erick Aybar SS
Howie Kendrick 2B
Bobby Abreu DH
Torii Hunter CF
Hideki Matsui LF
Mike Napoli 1B
Juan Rivera RF
Kevin Frandsen 3B
Bobby Wilson C

RHP Joel Pineiro (10-6, 3.95)
Pineiro vs. Yankees

TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m. / YES and MLB Network

UMPIRES: HP Paul Emmel, 1B Bill Hohn, 2B Gary Darling, 3B Bruce Dreckman

WEATHER: Upper 80s with a slight chance of rain. A few clouds in the sky. Slight breeze blowing out to right.

WHAT’S LEFT? This will be Hideki Matsui’s first game in the outfield since … July 18. Not exactly a long stretch. It will, however, be his first game in a New York outfield since June 8, 2008.

SENT FROM ABOVE: Javier Vazquez has never recorded a win against the Angels. He’s pitched against them six times goin g0-3 with a 4.38 ERA. If he wins, though, Vazquez will become one of three active pitchers to have beaten all 30 current major league teams. According to Elias, Barry Zito and Jamie Moyer are the only other pitchers to have pulled it off.

YOU AGAIN: Jorge Posada threw out Bobby Abreu trying to steal second base twice last night. It was the first time Posada threw out the same runner twice in a game since Jerry Hairston Jr. — yet another former Yankee — back in 2004. And of course, this postgame stat from last night is worth repeating: Posada has thrown out six base runners this season. Four of them have been Abreu.

UPDATE, 1:25 p.m.: Couple of hits and an RBI ground out in the first inning. It’s enough for a 1-0 Yankees lead.

UPDATE, 1:50 p.m.: Two-run single by Teixeira has pushed the Yankees lead to 3-0 in the third. Jeter led off with a single, Swisher doubled, and both scored on Teixeira’s base hit to center field.

UPDATE, 1:52 p.m.: Make that 5-0 Yankees on Robinson Cano’s two-run shot.

UPDATE, 2:15 p.m.: RBI double from Teixeira makes it 6-0. So far the top three hitters in the Yankees order are 8-for-9 with three doubles and five runs.

UPDATE, 2:35 p.m.: Bobby Wilson is back with a vengeance! His second hit of the day is a two-run homer to cut the Yankees lead to 6-3. Javy Vazquez has looked awfully good today until this inning. Aybar followed the homer with a single, and that’s four straight hits for the Angels, still with no outs. Boone Logan getting loose.

UPDATE, 2:45 p.m.: Cervelli throws out Aybar trying to steal third, then Vazquez strikes out Abreu to get out of the inning.

UPDATE, 3:03 p.m.: Good stat from my friend Tim Britton over at MLB.com: Hideki Matsui has as many Yankee Stadium home runs this season as Curtis Granderson. Matsui just went deep in the sixth to chase Vazquez and cut the lead to 6-5. Robertson now pitching. It was Matsui’s third home run in the Bronx this season.

UPDATE, 3:14 p.m.: Dave Robertson wiggles out of a bases-loaded jam to keep the Yankees lead intact.

UPDATE, 3:42 p.m.: Joba Chamberlain didn’t make it look easy, but he got out of trouble in the top of the seventh, then Juan Miranda went deep in the bottom half. It’s now 7-5 Yankees.

UPDATE, 3:49 p.m.: Paul Emmel, the same ump who ejected Joe Girardi yesterday, has now tossed Brett Gardner for arguing balls and strikes. Gardner seemed to argue briefly, then the argument seemed to be over. As Gardner was getting back in the box, he was tossed.

UPDATE, 3:52 p.m.: All’s well that ends well. Colin Curtis hit for Gardner, hit his first career home run, and got a curtain call. It’s now 10-5 Yankees.

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1,019 Responses to “Game 93: Yankees vs. Angels”

  1. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 12:53 pm

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    # vblade July 21st, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Since when can an 8+ type ERA be attributed to “luck”? I think some might be buying too much into the FIP business. Sometimes, performance has to be taken at face value.

  2. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    You cite the number of baserunners he’s allowed. Thats a large product of him just giving up a ridiculous number of hits on balls in play.

    His BABIP is an ABSURD .391. That’s all luck.

    His strikeout rate is excellent, his walk rate is as good as one could expect it to be, and he’s allowed TWO home runs all year.

    Those three things, by and large, are what a pitcher can control. Joba is still my man in the eighth inning and its my opinion that he’s being even criminally underused in such a narrow role.

  3. Joe from Long Island July 21st, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    1. mick ? I respectfully disagree. Kevin Brown was George?s idea ? George asked Sheffield, who had just signed on, who was the best pitcher in the NL, and he answered Kevin Brown, who was coming off his last good season with the Dodgers. George then told Cash to get him. The cost was Jeff Weaver, who, honestly, was not exactly tearing it up here. As far as AJ goes, he did win some very big games in the playoffs, and helped make that 3-man rotation a success, despite the concerns the pundits had over it. And, when AJ signed, the choice was him or Derek Lowe. You can say you want Lowe, that?s your opinion, but AJ has lived up to his billing ? either very good or very bad.

    Granderson ? has not had a good year, no kidding. I still think it?s too early to write him off though, his clock is ticking.

    2. Bret ? Yeah, I could see a deal with KC working, for those reasons. Whether it?s Dejesus or Guillem would depend more on whether the Yanks want a table setter or a power bat. Also, while Guillen I think would be more of a this year only guy, if they target Dejesus I would think they see him as more longterm.

    Maybe Ivan Nova, who?s opening eyes at AAA, coupled with an IF?

  4. YankFanCA July 21st, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Some of you Joba defenders are laughable. You all cringe when he’s summoned to pitch, even if you won’t admit it. If Cashman could get even mediocre value in trading him, he would.

  5. Giuseppe Franco July 21st, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    # Warning Track Power July 21st, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Cashman will trade Joba is Joba’s poor performances continue. Could be as soon as this month, could be next year. Who can actually say for certain.

    Joba needs to get mentally tougher out there on the mound.
    He needs to stop thinking he can throw his fastball anywhere and the hitter will swing and miss. He needs to throw more breaking balls and those breaking balls need to be thrown for strikes.
    Even I can lay off his slider that goes about 50 feet and never comes close to the strike zone.

    ————-

    Really? Joba’s problem is that he doesn’t throw enough breaking balls?

    Not exactly. His problem is just the opposite. He needs to keep throwing the fastball and locate it better. Same with the slider.

    His problem last season was that he fell in love with the slider and everyone knew it was coming. The guy can still throw 95+. He just needs better command of it.

    There’s no better pitch in baseball than a well placed fastball.

  6. Anthony Murillo July 21st, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Indians third baseman Jhonny Peralta is in the mix along with Florida’s Wes Helms as potential bench options for the Yankees, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Rosenthal says the prices on Jose Bautista and Ty Wigginton are too high.

    Peralta has a substantial commitment for a bench player, with $2.23MM remaining on his contract. He’s hitting .252/.314/.401 on the season.

    The Yankees were first linked to Helms four days ago by MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro, but Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post tweets today that he’s not their first choice. Other available bench options capable of playing third base include Willie Bloomquist, Adam Kennedy, and Craig Counsell.

  7. Warning Track Power July 21st, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    What I want to see today from our pitcher’s:

    Javy going 7+ strong
    Joba getting 3 outs in the 8th
    Mo for the save in the 9th

    LET’S GO YANKEES!!

  8. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Seriously, we’re gonna attribute his terrible slash line against (worse than Park for crying out loud) to LUCK?

    Come on.

  9. MTU July 21st, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Now I’ve got at least 2 guys in my “birds with broken wings” club.

    Joba and Grandy.

    Enjoy the game folks. :)

  10. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    # MTU July 21st, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Now I’ve got at least 2 guys in my “birds with broken wings” club.

    Joba and Grandy.

    Enjoy the game folks. :)

    ——————-

    Granderson has multiple years of performance to inspire some confidence that he will right the ship.

    Joba doesn’t.

  11. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    “Some of you Joba defenders are laughable. You all cringe when he’s summoned to pitch, even if you won’t admit it. If Cashman could get even mediocre value in trading him, he would.”

    _____________________________________________

    Keep ignoring my posts on why exactly I’m a Joba defender.

    I don’t cringe when he’s summoned to pitch. I still feel that he should be employed in more multiinning outings and that he’s almost been criminally underused this year.

    And if anyone here actually thinks that Cashman would trade Joba when his value is as low as its ever going to be, your delusional. Joba isn’t going anywhere because he’ll never return a player that could give you even CLOSE to what he has a decent shot of giving you over the next couple of years.

  12. Warning Track Power July 21st, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Park is easily the least reliable arm in the pen. He has earned that right with his poor performances. I would rather bring in Gaudin or Mosely before Park at this point in the season.

  13. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    vblade – you can ignore it if you want, but a .391 BABIP is enough to tank any pitchers ERA. when they start hitting the ball at fielders, instead of at gaps, his numbers will correct themselves.

    yes, he needs to locate better and throw more strikes, but its not the huge disaster you jumpers make it out to be.

  14. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    hey, remember when i said “park needs to go” and then you all made fun of me and said I was crazy because he was pitching well?

    eat me.

  15. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    I just put a sweatshirt on.

    It is cold here!

    Brrrrrr.

    Go Yankees!

  16. LGY July 21st, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Joba’s FIP is excellent because of his nature as a pitcher at this point.

    When he is on, he is dominant.

    When he is off, his slider is flat and his fastball is like batting practice leaking right back over the heart of the plate.

    The only way his ERA would reflect his FIP and other peripherals this year would be if Girardi had taken him out immediately when he had nothing.

    He can’t be relied upon in high leverage spots right now, because he is so incredibly unpredictable and when he has nothing he is so easy to hit.

    Saying it is “all luck” and Neyer’s article just completely ignores what is actually happening and just is an approach that is far too reliant and has far too much faith what “should” happen.

  17. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    vblade – you can ignore it if you want, but a .391 BABIP is enough to tank any pitchers ERA. when they start hitting the ball at fielders, instead of at gaps, his numbers will correct themselves.

    yes, he needs to locate better and throw more strikes, but its not the huge disaster you jumpers make it out to be.

    ———————————

    I don’t know about you, but this looks like a disaster to me:

    Last month: .364/.417/.545/.962

    Tell me how a .962 OPS against can be attributed to luck.

  18. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    lol… what on earth are the yankees going to do with peralta? he’s ramiro pena with 30 points of batting average, big whoop.

  19. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    LGY,

    I can agree with that.

    But the idea that Joba is “done” and has no chance of once again becoming a good, or even dominant pitcher, is so shortsighted and superficial.

    And furthermore the idea that he would be traded when his value is at its absolute lowest is lunacy.

  20. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    “# YankFanCA July 21st, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Some of you Joba defenders are laughable. You all cringe when he’s summoned to pitch, even if you won’t admit it. If Cashman could get even mediocre value in trading him, he would.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I am amazed that there are those who can try and even defend his performances

    This is our setup man and he puts men on base like they are going out of style.

    They must have missed the part where even when Chamberlain doesn’t get knocked around he still puts men on base and has to get out of it.

    So he is always living dangerously as a setup man

    Quoting his FIP and BABIP and saying his ERA is bad luck is the height of excuses for an overrated and glorified Joba Chamberlain.

    2007 Chamberlain is gone

  21. Bill D July 21st, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    “Seriously, we’re gonna attribute his terrible slash line against (worse than Park for crying out loud) to LUCK?”

    You can a little bit. It’s not, as has been suggested, ALL LUCK, but his BAbip is at .381, which is about 20% higher than his career norm. Don’t buy FIP as a particularly good measure of relievers, but there is something to the high BAbip. That said, he has not pitched “quite well” this year. His manager wouldn’t say so. His GM wouldn’t say so. Eiland wouldn’t say so. He’s been very good at times and, albeit far less often, very bad at others. He hasn’t been within sniffing distance of a lockdown EIG overall. The Joba 2007? That was a lockdown EIG. He’s not that right now.

  22. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    vblade – uh, i just did. maybe you should read instead of sticking your head in the sand.

  23. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    bill d – how is FIP more relevant for starters over relievers? do you understand how it is calculated?

  24. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    For those of you that don’t believe in the merits of BABIP, check out Heath Bell.

    He’s been the exact same pitcher the last 4 years with San Diego that he was in his first two years with the Mets.

    Same strikeout, walk, and home run rates.

    He was victimized by bad defense, bad luck, and also much like Joba, poor pitch sequencing.

    The Mets were incredibly shortsighted in dumping him.

  25. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    assuming that someone bringing up FIP/BABIP/other stats is attributing all of his problems to luck is just rude.

  26. m July 21st, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    I hope Baltimore has another comeback win in them.

    Good luck to Javy and the boys.

  27. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    The mere fact that we have to talk about his FIP and BABIP to explain away his ERA tells the tale.

    If he wasn’t inconsistent and unreliable none of that would be necessary.

    Those stats are only resorted to when the other stats are too gross to look at.

    Chamberlain is not walking batters but he tends to fall behind and then has to throw a cookie over the plate because of it, if that is a result of bad luck then maybe he should figure out strike 1 is his friend.

  28. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    how was the game thread yesterday, with a nice big blowout to welcome the newly registered bridgejumpers? i didn’t even bother looking.

  29. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    macfan – oh, so if he was good, he’d be good.

    ok.

  30. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    vblade – uh, i just did. maybe you should read instead of sticking your head in the sand.

    # Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    assuming that someone bringing up FIP/BABIP/other stats is attributing all of his problems to luck is just rude.

    ————————–

    Referring to those who prefer to look at more conventional statistics such as slash lines against as “sticking their head in the sand” is equally rude.

  31. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    “The mere fact that we have to talk about his FIP and BABIP to explain away his ERA tells the tale.”

    Not the case, you can use those stats is completely opposite contexts.

    When everyone was fawning over Pelfrey early this year I looked at those stats and immediately was confident that he would regress badly.

    Just because someone pitches to a low ERA doesn’t mean he is pitching well, much like just when someone pitches to a high ERA doesn’t mean he is pitching badly.

  32. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    “Some of you Joba defenders are laughable. You all cringe when he’s summoned to pitch, even if you won’t admit it. If Cashman could get even mediocre value in trading him, he would.”

    ————————————————–

    You’re an idiot.

  33. Rishi July 21st, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    nice recovery

  34. Warning Track Power July 21st, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    MLB gameday shows the ball hit went over the fence.

    who is running the graphics-Stevie Wonder???

  35. Northy July 21st, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    For some reason I allways feel the Yankees will loose games against the Angels, so hope I am proven wrong :)

    Bunting, slapping and runnning is unsexy but very effective

  36. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Hmmmm, does BABIP hide the true story of what happened in that inning???

  37. Rishi July 21st, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Swisher wedding news:
    http://www.usmagazine.com/heal.....er-2010217

  38. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    “# Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    macfan – oh, so if he was good, he’d be good.

    ok.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Pretty cut and dry if he was doing his thing as a setup man with consistency it would not be necessary to mention his FIP and BABIP

    I am not just looking at Chamberlains bad outings, even in some one’s where runs didn’t score he puts men on base as a setup man

    hence the 28 of 40 appearances he has put a runner on base, that is not good for a setup man no matter how its spun, because a setup man is primarily in close games.

  39. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    vblade – that’s not rude, its called ignorant.

  40. GreenBeret7 July 21st, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Banuelos is pitching for the Tampa yanks this afternoon. He’s unusually wild. 4 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 3 walks, 9 strikeouts.

  41. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    macfan – FIP/BABIP is not something you should look at only when a player is performing badly. it is used, as G-C said, to distinguish the difference between a pitcher being able to control the factors attributing to his ERA or not.

  42. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 21st, 2010 at 1:16 pm
    Banuelos is pitching for the Tampa yanks this afternoon. He’s unusually wild. 4 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 3 walks, 9 strikeouts.
    ————————–

    9 strikeouts in 4 innings? Manny seems to be making up for lost time….

  43. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    tampa out to an early lead. oh well…

  44. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Pretty cut and dry if he was doing his thing as a setup man with consistency it would not be necessary to mention his FIP and BABIP

    I am not just looking at Chamberlains bad outings, even in some one’s where runs didn’t score he puts men on base as a setup man

    hence the 28 of 40 appearances he has put a runner on base, that is not good for a setup man no matter how its spun, because a setup man is primarily in close games.

    ————————————————–

    Why do you assume that FIP and BABIP is only used to explain, or make excuses for, poor past performance? It is used just as often to predict whether strong performance will continue.

  45. pat July 21st, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Crank up the AC in the dugout and stock up on wet towels cause it is hot outside right now.

  46. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Hey GB7, you have contact info for our Redsock pal dennis c. and/or his bride Amy, right?

    If you could do me a favor, would you mind dropping him a note and letting him know about the changes here? I recall some of his family were having health issues, perhaps you could pass on my good wishes as well.

    Thanks.

  47. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    “# Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    macfan – FIP/BABIP is not something you should look at only when a player is performing badly. it is used, as G-C said, to distinguish the difference between a pitcher being able to control the factors attributing to his ERA or not.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Oh I know that, its just that you don’t hear folks taking about Mo’s FIP and BABIP or any of the elite relievers for the most part.

  48. Bronx Jeers July 21st, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    I just put a sweatshirt on.

    It is cold here!

    Brrrrrr.

    ——————————————————————–

    I’m accepting this is a 3rd degree of separation reference to the abyss.

    That’s cold summer in SF… = Twain… = Hal… = Abyss!

    But let’s hope Javy doesn’t follow along.

  49. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    G-C July 21st, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Just because someone pitches to a low ERA doesn’t mean he is pitching well, much like just when someone pitches to a high ERA doesn’t mean he is pitching badly.

    ———————-

    It’s not just his ERA that sucks. His entire slash line sucks. His OPS against for the last 2 weeks is 1.252. His K/BB’s down to 2. WHIP is 2.625.

    If this can all be attributed to the FIP/BABIP and say “everything will be corrected”, then why not just have those as the be-all end-all stats to refer to?

  50. GreenBeret7 July 21st, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Nick, I have amy’s email for her business and I’d have to look for Dennis’, but, I do have them. I’ll get with you after the game if you don’t mind.

  51. Rishi July 21st, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    YankeesWFAN Back goes Granderson…back, back, back, back…heeeee makes a one-handed catch against the bullpen! Oh, Doctor!
    7 minutes ago via web

  52. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Tex! good start so far.

  53. Mike Ri July 21st, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Good job Tex !! . .Come on Arod . .we need an Abomb !

  54. GreenBeret7 July 21st, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Sure will, Nick. I’ll fire off an email to both addresses.

  55. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    vblade – that’s not rude, its called ignorant.

    ————————-

    People who choose to believe the more conventional statistics are ignorant.

    Spoken like a true saberhead.

  56. Mike Ri July 21st, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    we’ll take it

  57. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    “# IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Why you assume that FIP and BABIP is only used to explain, or make excuses for, poor past performance? It is used just as often to predict whether strong performance will continue.”

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Because it seems like a last resort to explain his performances. When all is said and done he has been inconsistent in the setup role.

    Like I remarked you don’t here about Rivera’s FIP and BABIP, because Mo gets it done consistently on the field.

  58. Roger July 21st, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Great job by A-rod!

  59. Rishi July 21st, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    booooooooooooooo the IBB in the first inning!!

  60. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    If his ERA sucks, I would probably expect his slash line to suck too. He’s not giving up runs by having them magically not count against him as baserunners.

    I do refer to fielding independent stats (strikeout rate, walk rate, and home run rate) much more regularly than I do ERA. Those stats said Ubaldo Jimenez was pitching to a 3 ERA and not really to the sub 1.50 ERA he had held for a while. Guess what? He’s well on his way there.

  61. Trevor July 21st, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Come on an IBB in the first inning? They don’t think they can score off Vazquez?

  62. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Thanks, GB7.

  63. Mike Ri July 21st, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Come on Miranda !! .. Read them the rights !

  64. Northy July 21st, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Look like a bomb when he hit it… Guess it was an airbomb

  65. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    “I do refer to fielding independent stats (strikeout rate, walk rate, and home run rate) much more regularly than I do ERA. Those stats said Ubaldo Jimenez was pitching to a 3 ERA and not really to the sub 1.50 ERA he had held for a while. Guess what? He’s well on his way there.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    So if that is the case then what do the metrics say that Chamberlain should be doing overall

    I’m actually interested to know.

  66. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    this is why the Yankees, in my opinion, need to deal for Adam Dunn.

    10 intentional walks to Cano thus far this year because, especially on the days Jorge sits, there’s no one behind him to force pitchers to pitch to him.

    If the Yankees could slot in someone like Dunn behind Robbie, then Cano is going to see pitches in RBI situations. Until then however, teams are just going to walk him and hope Jorge grounds into a double play or someone else makes an out.

  67. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    “The Giants ended up winning the game because of that move.”

    Smells like a fallacy, Mr. Kay.

  68. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    “this is why the Yankees, in my opinion, need to deal for Adam Dunn.

    10 intentional walks to Cano thus far this year because, especially on the days Jorge sits, there’s no one behind him to force pitchers to pitch to him.

    If the Yankees could slot in someone like Dunn behind Robbie, then Cano is going to see pitches in RBI situations. Until then however, teams are just going to walk him and hope Jorge grounds into a double play or someone else makes an out.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Thus the 1 extra bat we keep talking about the team needing to add, even if it is a decent bench bat.

  69. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    ?The Giants ended up winning the game because of that move.?

    Smells like a fallacy, Mr. Kay.
    ——————————–

    Not really – because of that play the Dodgers had to take out their almost automatic closer and replace him with a guy who was on waivers at this time last week.

  70. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    macfan – well, yeah… and when you have a young pitcher like say… tommy hunter… pitching out of his mind, those numbers can be used to figure out if he will sustain it or not. we don’t talk about Mo’s FIP et al because his numbers are not being questioned on a daily basis.

    in the opposite light, we look at those numbers for joba and see that he “should” be getting better results based on the way he has pitched, but has hit some bumps and “unlucky bounces” along his path. so rather than crying about trading him away, we take the “wait and see” stance, and then get bludgeoned over the head with our “magic stats trickery”.

  71. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:29 pm
    ?this is why the Yankees, in my opinion, need to deal for Adam Dunn.

    10 intentional walks to Cano thus far this year because, especially on the days Jorge sits, there’s no one behind him to force pitchers to pitch to him.

    If the Yankees could slot in someone like Dunn behind Robbie, then Cano is going to see pitches in RBI situations. Until then however, teams are just going to walk him and hope Jorge grounds into a double play or someone else makes an out.?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Thus the 1 extra bat we keep talking about the team needing to add, even if it is a decent bench bat.
    ——————–

    Why settle for a bench bat. We’re not the Mets. Yankee motto is go big or go home.

  72. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    His FIP is 2.66.

    Thats a stat that is calculated using his strikeout, walk, and home run rates.

    Pretty similar to 2008 when he posted an actual 2.60 ERA.

    The difference? You’re not wrong. He’s had a couple outings in which he’s completely blown up, and we’ve seen bad pitch sequencing, pitching from behind in the count, fastballs catching too much of the plate, etc…

    But its also a bit of luck. He’s not as bad as his ERA looks and thats the only reason why he’s remaining in this role.

  73. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Right, Chip, automatic closer. No way he would have given up the tie run with the bases loaded and one out. ‘Cos Broxton is automatic.

    :roll:

  74. m July 21st, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    I agree with Nick. Sherrill could’ve put out the fire that their almost automatic closer had started. Just didn’t work out that way.

    Crazy week for the Gigantes.

  75. ron July 21st, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Dunn would be awesome in our lineup.

    Then we just wait for pettitte too come back & we are all set.

  76. GreenBeret7 July 21st, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Brackman is pitching for Trenton, 1-1 score in the bottom of the 4th inning. 3 innings, 4 hits, 1 run (unearned), 1 walk, 5 strikeouts. Run scored on Rivera’s passed ball.

    Banuelos have up 3 unearned runs in the 5th inning, 5 hits, 3 runs (unearned), 3 walks, 10 strikeouts.

  77. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    “G-C July 21st, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    His FIP is 2.66.

    Thats a stat that is calculated using his strikeout, walk, and home run rates.

    Pretty similar to 2008 when he posted an actual 2.60 ERA.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Well I hope you are right about that and it indicates he should be better moving forward because right now I don’t trust him in close games late on.

  78. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 1:32 pm
    Right, Chip, automatic closer. No way he would have given up the tie run with the bases loaded and one out. ?Cos Broxton is automatic.
    —————————————–

    Compared to Mo? No, he’s not automatic.

    Compared to every other closer in baseball – yup he is.

    And he’s a whole lot better than George Sherrill

  79. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Thank you, m.

    Now I almost regret cheering against the Mets’ Japanese pitcher when he faced the Gigantes on Tim Lincecum Cy Young Bobblehead Night on Saturday.

    Almost.

  80. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    “Well I hope you are right about that and it indicates he should be better moving forward because right now I don’t trust him in close games late on.”

    ________________________________________________

    I don’t blame you. Particularly when he’s shown a penchant for giving up not just big innings, but HUGE innings.

    But I wouldn’t give up on him yet. The talent is still there.

  81. Roger July 21st, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Nick,have you received my 2nd email?Having some trouble with gmail so that’s why I’m asking

  82. GreenBeret7 July 21st, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    The other one that needs to be alerted to the registration is Ray (sox fan) if anybody has it handy. Possibly Maine has it.

  83. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    See you guys who are knocking Broxton worry me.

    When Rivera does retire and is replaced by a mere mortal you’re going to kill that guy day in and day out for his failings. You’re so spoiled by the fact that he’s in a completely different class that you can’t appreciate how good a guy like Broxton is because he’s not Mo.

  84. Erica in NY July 21st, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    I just got caught in a downpour returning from lunch without an umbrella.

    I am sitting in my office shivering :cry:

  85. GreenBeret7 July 21st, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    They’ve also walked Cano intentionally 4 times when Posada was batting, so, short of moving Swisher behind Cano, it’s not likely to stop soon.

  86. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    GreenBeret7 July 21st, 2010 at 1:39 pm
    They?ve also walked Cano intentionally 4 times when Posada was batting, so, short of moving Swisher behind Cano, it?s not likely to stop soon.
    ————————

    That’s because Posada is a pretty good bet to ground into a double play.

    The other option is to trade for a legitmate bat to put behind Cano (as I mentioned, Adam Dunn)

  87. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Good point re: Mariano. Also, the key point from last night is that Sherrill did not even get to warm up in the bullpen. He simply got the 9 – or thereabouts – warm-up pitches allotted to pitchers entering the game.

  88. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    “# Chip July 21st, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    See you guys who are knocking Broxton worry me.

    When Rivera does retire and is replaced by a mere mortal you’re going to kill that guy day in and day out for his failings. You’re so spoiled by the fact that he’s in a completely different class that you can’t appreciate how good a guy like Broxton is because he’s not Mo.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL, don’t remind us, we have had it good for a career of Rivera

    One of a kind indeed.

  89. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Good grief, Chip, how can you so badly miss the point of a little joke?

    It’s not about Broxton, it’s about poking fun at Michael Kay and his penchant for logical fallicies. If you go by the hard logic that he likes to (sometimes) use, then it is a logical fallacy to say what he said — regardless how almost automatic Broxton might be.

    But if you want to make it about Broxton, yes, he is very good, but in this particular case he put two men on base and then walked the bases loaded to get the possible force out. Sure, the Dodgers would have been better off with Broxton facing Torres with the bases loaded, but nonetheless they were still loaded and a fly ball would have tied the game.

    Maybe you should worry about something else.

  90. Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Nick in SF…..It’s a misty 63 degrees at the beach right now….I to am donning a sweatshirt as well…..Has SJ weighed in on any news regarding Cantu to The Bronx ????

  91. Mike Ri July 21st, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Good job Vazquez

  92. Bronx Jeers July 21st, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    I’m cheering for Broxton in anticipation of Mo’s retirement.

    Whose retirement should I anticipate to get behind Gaudin and Park?

  93. pat July 21st, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    “I am sitting in my office shivering”

    No hand dryer in the ladies room?

  94. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    By the way, I’m not saying dump him or anything (his trade value is garbage atm) – just that his slash line is terrible enough that attributing his struggles to bad bounces, misplayed line drives, etc doesn’t make a ton of sense to me, and make me want to say “yeah he’ll turn it around because his FIP/BABIP says it will”.

    The formula for BABIP also heavily favors strikeout pitchers (for good reason). So his high K rate and low HR rate help increase that number. From what I can understand, he gives up VERY untimely hits. Not exactly a good trait for a reliever to have.

  95. Tom in N.J. July 21st, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Posada’s not a “legitmate bat”?

  96. GreenBeret7 July 21st, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    3 innings, 26 pitches ans 23 strikes. Vazquez seems to have located the plate, today

  97. BJK July 21st, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Vazquez has only thrown 3 balls. One to Kendrick, one to Abreu, and one to Matsui.

  98. Erica in NY July 21st, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    pat July 21st, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    ?I am sitting in my office shivering?

    No hand dryer in the ladies room?
    **********

    I went with the hot cup of coffee instead

    Is it raining at the Stadium or is this a Nassau County storm?

  99. jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    lets go tex

  100. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Come on Tex, lets blow this game open

  101. Mike Ri July 21st, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    LETS GO TEX !!

  102. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Baltimore is creeping back 4-2 now Tampa over the Orioles

  103. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:43 pm
    ?# Chip July 21st, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    See you guys who are knocking Broxton worry me.

    When Rivera does retire and is replaced by a mere mortal you’re going to kill that guy day in and day out for his failings. You’re so spoiled by the fact that he’s in a completely different class that you can’t appreciate how good a guy like Broxton is because he’s not Mo.?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL, don?t remind us, we have had it good for a career of Rivera

    One of a kind indeed.
    ——————————-
    Yeah really – this is why I kind of shake my head when people talk about Joba as the “heir apparant” to Mo. How the heck is he (or anyone) supposed to live up to that billing?

    Whatever players replace Mo (and Derek) are going to wind up being two of the most controversial figures in New York sports because of the shoes they’re going to have to fill.

    Let’s just say that the two guys slated to replace them are Joba and Cito Culver; it would almost be better I think to have someone else bridge between them…so when Mo retires you have someone else as the closer before Joba gets the job; when Jeter retires you go with someone else at short before Culver comes in – give fans a chance to get expectations back to normal levels.

  104. RS July 21st, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Swisher has played so well in the #2 spot but our best lineup might have Gardner in the leadoff or 2 spot and Swisher batting behind Cano. That moves Granderson and Cervelli down a spot as well, giving them slightly fewer ABs.

  105. jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    sweet tex, lets go arod

  106. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    And Roger, yes, I am responding to your email right now (multi-tasking), I’m looking up the info on that Indian restaurant.

  107. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    I wouldn’t be so quick to say goodbye to Vazquez after this year if he continues pitching like this.

    If he maintains even close to this level of performance for the rest of the season and makes a couple of big postseason starts, I think there’s a good chance he’ll be back next year.

    He’s the rare righthander who I see pitching well into his late thirties even with just high 80s velocity because he has such good offspeed pitches and such good command.

  108. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Anybody hear about the Nazi Germany and Communist Russia Yankees “airbrushing Torre out of their history.” According to Rob Neyer of ESPN, McCarver lied, Torre is in a picture with Mr. Steinbrenner at one of the gates, and was involved in the tribute video to Mr. Steinbrenner.

  109. UnKnown July 21st, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    He is all the way back, Yes Sir Tex

  110. RS July 21st, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Nice to see Vazquez get some early runs to work with.

  111. Mike Ri July 21st, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    GREAT JOB TEX !! .. .

  112. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Woohoo yeah baby

    That is what Tex wasn’t doing during his very poor season up until his consistent turnaround, he would have instead either struck out or grounded out in that spot

  113. jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh arod

  114. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 1:44 pm
    Good grief, Chip, how can you so badly miss the point of a little joke?

    It?s not about Broxton, it?s about poking fun at Michael Kay and his penchant for logical fallicies. If you go by the hard logic that he likes to (sometimes) use, then it is a logical fallacy to say what he said ? regardless how almost automatic Broxton might be.

    But if you want to make it about Broxton, yes, he is very good, but in this particular case he put two men on base and then walked the bases loaded to get the possible force out. Sure, the Dodgers would have been better off with Broxton facing Torres with the bases loaded, but nonetheless they were still loaded and a fly ball would have tied the game.

    Maybe you should worry about something else.
    ——————————

    Nick – I got the joke you were making. But my point was that I think Kay was right that the call against Donnie did cost the Dodgers the game last night.

  115. pat July 21st, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Erica

    Nassau storm. I went out running about 2 hours ago and I would have paid for rain.

  116. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    YEAH!!!!! Robinson!!!

  117. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Boy they really don’t want to pitch to Cano

    is what I was about to type

    prior to that HR

    Woohoo, this is my kind of game. :)

  118. pat July 21st, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Lots of hard hit balls off Pineiro today. :shock:

  119. Mike Ri July 21st, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Yeah ROBBIE !!

  120. jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    cano beast

  121. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    MVP! MVP!

  122. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Now I see why they walked Cano

    Bwahahahaha

    Always love us beating the Angels no matter when. :)

  123. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Cano is ridiculous.

  124. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    On another note entirely:

    Am I alone in being over Juan Miranda?

    I get it, he knocks the tar out of the ball in Winter Leauge and AAA, but I’ve yet to see him do anything other than roll over a soft grounder to 2nd or strike out.

  125. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    definetly the Yankees MVP!

  126. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    “# pat July 21st, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Lots of hard hit balls off Pineiro today. :shock:”

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Remember when Pinada shut us down early in the season, not today

    :)

  127. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    “But my point was that I think Kay was right that the call against Donnie did cost the Dodgers the game last night.”

    Nice qualifier. Nonetheless it is logically unsound.

  128. Mike Ri July 21st, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Do let up Yanks !!! . . .keep scoring

  129. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Chip – i would allow him more than 50AB’s before I start dismissing him as a loss. The 150-200 range should be more telling.

  130. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    ?But my point was that I think Kay was right that the call against Donnie did cost the Dodgers the game last night.?

    Nice qualifier. Nonetheless it is logically unsound.
    —————-

    Okie dokie.

  131. Mike Ri July 21st, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Chip . .way to early to dismiss Miranda ! .

  132. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    “# Chip July 21st, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    On another note entirely:

    Am I alone in being over Juan Miranda?

    I get it, he knocks the tar out of the ball in Winter Leauge and AAA, but I’ve yet to see him do anything other than roll over a soft grounder to 2nd or strike out.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I was never on him, he is getting a golden opportunity and hasn’t really capitalized on it.

    He should be grabbing the chance to DH everyday and running with it to carve out a big league career for himself.

  133. RS July 21st, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Vazquez is going to be a tough decision in the offseason. If the Yankees can sign Lee and Pettitte wants to return, then it makes sense to offer Vazquez arbitration and recoup the draft picks they’ll have lost for Lee. If Pettitte retires and/or Lee doesn’t come here, then Vazquez should definitely be offered a contract.

  134. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Chip

    I’m not willing to be over Miranda yet. It sure is frustrating to watch him pull the ball right to the 2nd baseman with regularity, and to do nothing in hitter’s counts, but maybe it’s possible that he’s trying to do to much. Like the anti-Brett Gardner. Gardner just does what he’s capable of doing and he is successful doing it.

  135. hardwired7 July 21st, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Pineiro is throwing slop today.

    That pitch he threw to Cano was the same pitch he threw to Miranda in his 1st AB (which Miranda took, instead of driving it like it was set on a tee.)

    No heavy sink for Pineiro = Piñata Time.

  136. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    “# CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Chip

    I’m not willing to be over Miranda yet. It sure is frustrating to watch him pull the ball right to the 2nd baseman with regularity, and to do nothing in hitter’s counts, but maybe it’s possible that he’s trying to do to much. Like the anti-Brett Gardner. Gardner just does what he’s capable of doing and he is successful doing it.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    Funny thing is he has a swing that looks like he could mash the baseball, but the results are underwhelming.

    Still early indeed for him, but he should be hungry to avoid the buses of Scranton. :)

  137. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    Chip ? i would allow him more than 50AB?s before I start dismissing him as a loss. The 150-200 range should be more telling.
    ———————-

    In general I agree with your point, but the guy hitting behind Cano has to be productive or else you’re going to see a lot of intentional walks handed out to Robbie.

    I would love to give every young player a chance to prove himself but I don’t think the time to do it is a tight race in late July.

  138. Erica in NY July 21st, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    pat July 21st, 2010 at 1:52 pm
    Erica

    Nassau storm. I went out running about 2 hours ago and I would have paid for rain.
    *************

    The sun is out now :-)

    I guess that downpour was my punishment for going out for lunch!

  139. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Woohoo

    4-3 now Tampa over O’s, O’s have runner at 3rd and 2 outs in the 4th

  140. Blogger Formerly Known As Dan July 21st, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Miranda may have been one of those guys potential trade partners droll over at the deadline. If only he would have stayed in AAA. They’ve lessened his stock considerably by moving him up too early.

  141. RayVT July 21st, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Looks like O’s scored another run! 4-3 TB

  142. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    chip – that is true, but Miranda isn’t putting himself behind Robi… our manager is. obviously they believe he has a chance to excel in that role, and i trust their judgment :)

  143. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    # hardwired7 July 21st, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Pineiro is throwing slop today.

    That pitch he threw to Cano was the same pitch he threw to Miranda in his 1st AB (which Miranda took, instead of driving it like it was set on a tee.)

    No heavy sink for Pineiro = Piñata Time.

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL, at least the Yankees aren’t letting him get away with slop today, like they let some of these junkballers.

  144. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    As I said, I would love to give a guy like Juan or Albaladejo the chance to prove himself, but I don’t think a pennant race in late July is the time or place to do it.

    Yankees need a productive bat in the lineup everyday behind Cano or else teams are just going to put him on every chance they get.

  145. Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    I was sitting in the lockeroom last night watching that part of the Dodger game, and I knew right away what Mattingly did, and at first I thought he was going to get away with it…..Vince Scully immediately went into his story telling mode about how Boche caught them 4 years earlier in San Diego…….Donnie also was nailed for batting out of order last season when filling in for Joe Torre……On the job training

  146. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    dan – i don’t think a 26 year old with 1000 at bats in AAA over the last 2 years has been called up “too early”. he just needs some time to adjust to ML pitching and to get his feet on the ground. 50 at-bats are largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of finding a DH for the playoffs.

  147. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 2:01 pm
    chip ? that is true, but Miranda isn?t putting himself behind Robi? our manager is. obviously they believe he has a chance to excel in that role, and i trust their judgment
    ———————–

    What choice does Girardi have?

    Posada can’t play every day; Thames doesn’t do well against RHP, Cervelli is regressing; Granderson is having a bad year and Gardner’s not a guy you want in that spot.

  148. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Miranda hit the longest HR of the season at Tropicana field last year.

  149. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    the umpire in that dodgers/giants game last night was so god awful. his strikezone was about the size of a baseball, didn’t call anything on either side of the plate or belt high. he forced both starters to come to the middle of the plate for strikes and it turned into a hit-fest rather than the amazing pitching matchup it should have been.

    sorry, do i sound bitter? i had kershaw pitching for me yesterday :( broxton rules!

  150. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Love these kind of games where you have a fat lead and can just sit back and enjoy it without having squeaky bums about the scoreline. :)

  151. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    Miranda hit the longest HR of the season at Tropicana field last year.
    ———————-

    One long home run does not make a good major league hitter.

  152. Apple byte July 21st, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Javy deserves a win to join Zito and Moyer as those that have beat all 30 teams. One way to ensure it is to keep the game Joba proof. Mariano is available today as is Robertson.
    As always, insurance runs in later innings help.

  153. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Alright! Nice job getting out of a leadoff double and sending Piniero to the mound again quickly.

  154. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    chip – correct, he doesn’t have much of a choice… but that doesn’t mean that miranda should press or try too hard to fill in a role that’s only his on off days.

  155. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Javi going all the way!

  156. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Pat M, no word from SJ this morning.

    I am actually Nick in SF in Larkspur today. It’s usually warmer up here than down in the city, but the marine layer has cooled down the whole area this week.

    Stay warm.

  157. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Your point was “I have never seen him do anything good” , he hit over .300 in both of his sept callups in 08 and 09 including longest HR ever.

  158. Erica in NY July 21st, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 2:02 pm
    I was sitting in the lockeroom last night watching that part of the Dodger game, and I knew right away what Mattingly did, and at first I thought he was going to get away with it?..Vince Scully immediately went into his story telling mode about how Boche caught them 4 years earlier in San Diego??.Donnie also was nailed for batting out of order last season when filling in for Joe Torre??On the job training
    *************

    No one is a bigger Mattingly fan than me, but other bench coaches don’t usually have those mental lapses when filling in. It just really makes me wonder how well he focuses during games and whether he really is ready to be a manager. He has been a bench coach for a few years now

  159. Mike Ri July 21st, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Great Job Javy !!

  160. pat July 21st, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    37 pitches through 4 innings. Nice.

  161. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Vazquez is giving us exactly what we need. Quick innings, low pitch count. Hopefully he can just take this one to the end himself. The guy really has been great for us these past months.

  162. LGY July 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    “That’s because Posada is a pretty good bet to ground into a double play.”

    ——————————-

    Chip,

    Posada has only grounded into 2 double play’s this year.

    The plan for him to GIDP by walking Cano is not working very well so far.

  163. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Javy has really turned into the consistent innings eater they had hoped for.

  164. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    “# Apple byte July 21st, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Javy deserves a win to join Zito and Moyer as those that have beat all 30 teams. One way to ensure it is to keep the game Joba proof. Mariano is available today as is Robertson.
    As always, insurance runs in later innings help.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I have to think by now Robertson has slid into that 8th inning role even if Girardi won’t say it,

    Robertson has been more consistent over a while now and that is what you look for first and foremost out of a setup man, throw strikes get, outs.

    Let Joba find himself in the middle innings.

  165. Blogger Formerly Known As Dan July 21st, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    dan – i don’t think a 26 year old with 1000 at bats in AAA over the last 2 years has been called up “too early”. he just needs some time to adjust to ML pitching and to get his feet on the ground. 50 at-bats are largely irrelevant in the grand scheme.
    ______________

    Well too early in his career, no. But too early in the year (as in before the deadline), probably. But obviously hindsight is 20/20 he may turn around. It just would have been nice if he could be utilized as a big trade piece.

  166. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    “No one is a bigger Mattingly fan than me, but other bench coaches don’t usually have those mental lapses when filling in. It just really makes me wonder how well he focuses during games and whether he really is ready to be a manager. He has been a bench coach for a few years now”

    ——————————————-

    I agree with this. It seems he gets overwhelmed with the responsibility and starts to forget the little things. I didn’t really like the visit to see Broxton there anyway. I didn’t understand what that accomplished. It seemed to be another instance of Mattingly trying too hard.

  167. One With The Pinstripes in Colorado Since 61 July 21st, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    37 pitches through 4….Go Javy…..Enjoying this game at work so far.

  168. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    LGY July 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
    ?That’s because Posada is a pretty good bet to ground into a double play.?

    ??????????-

    Chip,

    Posada has only grounded into 2 double play?s this year.

    The plan for him to GIDP by walking Cano is not working very well so far.
    ————————–

    Touche.

    Still think the Yankees need a better bat to put in the 6 hole everyday behind Cano.

  169. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Javy deserves a win to join Zito and Moyer as those that have beat all 30 teams. One way to ensure it is to keep the game Joba proof. Mariano is available today as is Robertson.
    As always, insurance runs in later innings help

    ———————————————

    I think if we maintain, or extend, this lead and Javy can’t finish it himself, it’s a perfect time to let Joba go out there and get some work in.

  170. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    “# IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Vazquez is giving us exactly what we need. Quick innings, low pitch count. Hopefully he can just take this one to the end himself. The guy really has been great for us these past months.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Yep would have had another win with that gem in Seattle if Chamberlain didn’t blow the game.

  171. BryanV21 July 21st, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Scoring runs for Javy? GTFO! LOL

  172. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Jeter having a nice game!

  173. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    “# TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Javy has really turned into the consistent innings eater they had hoped for.”

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Maybe A.J. can pick up a tip or two from Javy about turning things around with consistency.

  174. Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Erica in NY ( Slamdown artist ), he was going back to answer a question to James Loney & didn’t want to yell it out……..Dodger / Giants is a big rivalry and both clubs are ina 4 team dogfight in the NL West…..Besides, there was close to 57,000 people in Dodger Stadium last night…….He now knows……He’ll be good as a manager

  175. ZachA July 21st, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    NYY’s first three batters are 7 for 8 with 4 runs and 2 RBIs.

  176. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Kay: When he announced his retirement, Lou Pinella said that of all the players he managed, Paul O’Neill was his favorite.”

    -Pause-

    Kay: I’m just kidding, I just wanted to see the look on Paul’s face.

    (For those who don’t know, Pinella and O’Neill can’t stand eachother)

  177. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    If the bases are loaded Arod is going yard!!!

  178. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Tied game 4-4 between O’s and Rays

  179. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    dan – i do agree that they missed the chance to move him at higher value than he has now. as soon as they signed teixeira, they should have peddled miranda all over the league and got rid of him. prospects that wallow around in the minors only give the rest of the league more chance to evaluate their true value.

    i believe we are doing the same thing with Montero. he needs to be traded before the illusion of him being a catcher all but disappears.

  180. MikeY July 21st, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Wonder if blowhard SJ still wants to put Javy back in pen

  181. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Tex is in beast mode now.

  182. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Tex in the ZONE

  183. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Teixeira is right back to where he was prior to the ASB!!

  184. Mark-Cant Touch This July 21st, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Yes Cano gets to bat this inning!

  185. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    TEIX!!!
    i think they shuld walk Arod…

  186. Mike Ri July 21st, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Come on Alex . . NAIL ONE !!!

  187. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    I smell 599.

  188. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    b.t.w Tex has reached base in a career best 37 straight game I believe.

    Woohoo, Tex is alive. FINALLY

  189. BryanV21 July 21st, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Walk ARod to get to Cano? How is that better?

  190. PaulyDaGoat July 21st, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    No need for the SJ bashing, buddy

  191. hardwired7 July 21st, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Joel Piñata

  192. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    A ton of teams could use Miranda, either at 1b or DH. I really think he’d hit in the majors if you gave him a chance. Gardner didnt look great coming up. Miranda actually performed in 08 and 09.

    I’m surprised they haven’t traded him, but maybe they are looking at him as a backup 1B/DH.

  193. blake July 21st, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Maybe this game gets the captain going.

    The Vasquez deal is looking better and better each start. He’s been great so far.

  194. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    “there was close to 57,000 people in Dodger Stadium last night”

    Not that late in the game!

    Maybe if you count the surrounding freeways…

  195. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Wow, walking him again. 6-0? Maybe some over-managing here.

  196. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Bryan – DP chance man :D

  197. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Man they want no part of Cano, ROFL

  198. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    “i believe we are doing the same thing with Montero. he needs to be traded before the illusion of him being a catcher all but disappears.”

    ______________________________________________

    Comparing Jesus Montero to Juan Miranda is crazy.

    Miranda is a nice potential platoon guy who was signed with the hope that he’d do what they’re still hoping he’ll do now- be a nice bench bat who can hit some lefties.

    Jesus Montero is a top 5 prospect in the game, maybe top 3. If he continues to hit like he can it won’t matter if he can’t stick at catcher. He has Miguel Cabrera upside with the bat and the Yankees will make room for a DH like that.

    He’s not “wallowing” in the minors. He’s on a crash course to the majors that might even see him getting some time at DH in September and in the playoffs. As a 20 year old.

    And again, unless anyone here has seen Montero play for an extended period of time, relying on blurbs from guys like Keith Law to determine that he is incapable of sticking at catcher doesn’t work for me.

  199. One With The Pinstripes in Colorado Since 61 July 21st, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Yankees 1-3 hitters are 8 for 9 today….Tex up to .258!

  200. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    This is Juan “Gone” Miranda’s chance to boost his trade value a tad here.

  201. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Boooooo
    Miranda with the GRAND!

  202. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Maybe this game gets the captain going.

    The Vasquez deal is looking better and better each start. He’s been great so far.

    ——————————————

    I would really like to keep Vazquez beyond this season. I’ve always liked him and think he’s a pretty nice fit in the rotation.

  203. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Here’s a nice spot for Miranda to do something productive. I also think Miranda can be a very good/decent hitter if he played everyday. Just trying to do too much in limited action.

  204. Lou-in-Vermont July 21st, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    base hit by Miranda would help his stock

  205. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 21st, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    What is with Alex and all of these groundouts? In the air, Alex! In the air!!!

  206. Spiced Ham July 21st, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    What a horrible player Miranda is

  207. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    worthless.

  208. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    And a 3-1 pitch well outside and he reached to pull it over to the 2nd baseman yet again. yuck.

  209. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Well 6-0 is Good

  210. BryanV21 July 21st, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Andres – I understand why you said it, but I wouldn’t have walked ARod to have the bases loaded with 1 out for Cano.

  211. MG July 21st, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    I guess there are no complaints about anything today, right?

  212. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    He must be kidding when he said “Pineiro made the big pitch.”

    Miranda swung at an obvious ball 4 in a 3-1 count, completely pulling off a sinker way off the plate trying to do way too much in a situation in which the pitcher is in trouble.

    Miranda should not be playing against righties just because he bats left handed. The best overall hitter left on the bench is Marcus Thames, yet he only plays against lefties because he bats from the right side. What a joke!

  213. Mark-Cant Touch This July 21st, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Miranda can’t hit the outside pitch he will either miss it or try to pull it and his a soft ground ball.

  214. Erica in NY July 21st, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 2:12 pm
    Erica in NY ( Slamdown artist ), he was going back to answer a question to James Loney & didn?t want to yell it out??..Dodger / Giants is a big rivalry and both clubs are ina 4 team dogfight in the NL West?..
    ****************

    :grin:

    There is no such thing as a dogfight in the NL West. Its called “tread water until your opponent drops dead and you are the last man standing”

  215. Chuck July 21st, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    My god Miranda offers no protection for Cano and to top it off, he proves it.

  216. BryanV21 July 21st, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Having a 21 year old DH is ridiculous. If done right, Montero is better for the Yankees as trade bait than as a DH. And let’s not forget that the DH spot needs to be available for guys like Posada (1 more year beyond 2010), Jeter (will most likely sign a 3-4 year deal after this season), and ARod.

  217. Erin July 21st, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    So Robbie has been having a good game??? :D

    I hate being stuck at work when they’re playing.

  218. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    .226 .305 .415 .720 <– Mirandas line this season in only 60 PA's , not as bad as you guys are making it out.

    Matt: Thames is hitting .190 since May 1, if he was hitting today and had an 0 for 3 (likely) you'd be complaining about why Miranda isnt in because he is a lefty that mashes righties,

  219. BryanV21 July 21st, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Marcus Thames blows. Please…don’t ever bring him up as if he’s a good choice as a DH. No matter who it’s over.

  220. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Bryan – You right , i just wanted to see bases loaded for CANO. :D

  221. LGY July 21st, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    “I guess there are no complaints about anything today, right?”

    ———————

    Right on cue with a post from Matt.

  222. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    .226 .305 .415 .720 , this is miranda’s line before today. Not as bad as everyone is making it out to be. And he OPS’d 1 in 08 and 09! Its also a very small sample.

    Matt, Thames was hitting like .190 since May 1st. If he was in there today and took an 0 fer you’d be whining about Miranda not being in there.

  223. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    What a play!!! And he catches the helmet too!

  224. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    what a great play by the ballboy!

  225. RS July 21st, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Until Pettitte comes back, is there any way to rework the rotation so that Vazquez pitches in front of Hughes? Burnett/Mitre/Hughes might kill the bullpen while our two innings eaters pitch back to back.

  226. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    “Having a 21 year old DH is ridiculous. If done right, Montero is better for the Yankees as trade bait than as a DH. And let’s not forget that the DH spot needs to be available for guys like Posada (1 more year beyond 2010), Jeter (will most likely sign a 3-4 year deal after this season), and ARod.”

    ___________________________________________

    Whose saying he needs to be a DH?

    I still think he can catch. The Yankees clearly still think he can catch. And the Mariners obviously thought he could catch too.

    I’m not sure you guys understand how good Montero has the potential to be. He’s the best offensive prospect this team has had since Mickey Mantle. What he’s done over the last couple of years, considering his age, is a really big deal.

    You make room for hitters who can be that good. Contrary to popular opinion you can’t just pluck guys like Montero out of the sky in free agency.

  227. Blogger Formerly Known As Dan July 21st, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Irreverent,

    I agree 100% with getting rid of montero. I’ve wanted the Yankees to trade him since Halladay was available.

    I believe whole heartedly that Romine will be the better all around player.

  228. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    BryanV21 July 21st, 2010 at 2:21 pm
    Having a 21 year old DH is ridiculous. If done right, Montero is better for the Yankees as trade bait than as a DH. And let?s not forget that the DH spot needs to be available for guys like Posada (1 more year beyond 2010), Jeter (will most likely sign a 3-4 year deal after this season), and ARod.
    —————————–

    If Montero is the hitter he’s projected to be then they’ll suffer his glove behind the plate.

  229. BryanV21 July 21st, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Andres – Hey, it may have been smarter to walk ARod. But whatever. Either way, it would have been nice to see Robbie hit with the bases loaded and only 1 out.

  230. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 21st, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    “Marcus Thames blows. Please?don?t ever bring him up as if he?s a good choice as a DH. No matter who it?s over.”

    He’s no prize, but he’s a better choice than Miranda.

  231. Apple byte July 21st, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Remove Miranda and put Colin Curtis in as the DH.

  232. One With The Pinstripes in Colorado Since 61 July 21st, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 2:12 pm
    Erica in NY ( Slamdown artist ), he was going back to answer a question to James Loney & didn?t want to yell it out??..Dodger / Giants is a big rivalry and both clubs are ina 4 team dogfight in the NL West?..
    ****************

    There is no such thing as a dogfight in the NL West. Its called ?tread water until your opponent drops dead and you are the last man standing?
    ____________________________________________________________________

    So True….root for the Rockies (My NL Team – of course not in the same universe as the Yankees) so I can see the Yankees beat them out here in the WS…..

  233. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    I agree 100% with getting rid of montero. I’ve wanted the Yankees to trade him since Halladay was available.

    ————————————–

    We should just cut him. That should do the job.

  234. BryanV21 July 21st, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Montero does not have a position, unless he can catch. And if you follow how he’s been doing, while improving behind the plate, he’s still far from serviceable there. If he can work this offseason, and start looking decent back there next season (which will probably be his last in the minors), then stick with him. But I’m telling you…if Jesus doesn’t look like a future catcher by the middle of next season, it’ll be time to deal him. And what the Yankees could get in return will be worth it.

  235. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    i would rather miranda bat .105 for 2 months in an attempt to let him figure this out than watched the failed end of marcus thames career.

    we’ve gotten to the best record in the majors with no DH/CF contribution at all. it’s not hurting us in any way, give the kid a chance to learn here while we have the buffer.

  236. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Blogger Formerly Known As Dan July 21st, 2010 at 2:24 pm
    Irreverent,

    I agree 100% with getting rid of montero. I?ve wanted the Yankees to trade him since Halladay was available.

    I believe whole heartedly that Romine will be the better all around player.
    ————————–

    1. Romine is still a couple of years away

    2. Even if he’s not a catcher and does spend the majority of the next few years DHing, he’ll be in his mid-twenties when Tex’s contract expires at which point he becomes the Yankee first baseman.

  237. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Thames has actually showed some patience at the plate this year, walking more than 10 percent of the time.

    In addition, how can anyone dislike a guy names Marcus Markey Thames!

  238. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Romine has never hit as well as Montero and is currently mired in a 2 month long slump, how exactly he is going to be better than Montero?

  239. Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Nick in SF….Doders went into the 9th with a 1 run lead, and the place was packed….I do agree with you about the Hollywood crowd leaving early to get out of the mess that is the Dodger Stadium parking lot…….Nice play by the ball boy there, great play in fact

  240. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    “I believe whole heartedly that Romine will be the better all around player.”

    Romine can’t sniff Montero’s bat. He’s years older with worse numbers a full level below him.

    Montero becomes especially important over the next three years if the performances of Arod and Jeter this year are actually the beginning of declines. They could potentially have a lot of dead weight at spots around the field with no recourse.

    He’s great insurance against the decline of the vets who we have no choice to play, and is going to play a big role for this team shortly.

  241. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Thames was admittedly battling the hamstring injury for quite a while before he went on the DL, and it most likely affected his hitting.

    He’s 4 for 11 with a home run since coming off the DL, which is already better than what Miranda has contributed. On the season Thames is hitting .287/.396/.437 in 87 AB. How about we give him a chance now that he’s healthy?

  242. Roger July 21st, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Weren’t the Yankees interested in Pinero before this season…?

  243. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Matt July 21st, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    He must be kidding when he said “Pineiro made the big pitch.”

    Miranda swung at an obvious ball 4 in a 3-1 count, completely pulling off a sinker way off the plate trying to do way too much in a situation in which the pitcher is in trouble.

    Miranda should not be playing against righties just because he bats left handed. The best overall hitter left on the bench is Marcus Thames, yet he only plays against lefties because he bats from the right side. What a joke!
    —————————–

    Thames is the best bat off the bench against leftys but i don’t think he is against rightys. His splits have always been extreme and he doesn’t hit rightys nearly as well. I’d still rather have Miranda out there against rightys.

  244. Carl July 21st, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    # BryanV21 July 21st, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Montero does not have a position, unless he can catch. And if you follow how he’s been doing, while improving behind the plate, he’s still far from serviceable there. If he can work this offseason, and start looking decent back there next season (which will probably be his last in the minors), then stick with him. But I’m telling you…if Jesus doesn’t look like a future catcher by the middle of next season, it’ll be time to deal him. And what the Yankees could get in return will be worth it.

    Hes 20 years old.

  245. Chip July 21st, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    BryanV21 July 21st, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    Montero does not have a position, unless he can catch. And if you follow how he?s been doing, while improving behind the plate, he?s still far from serviceable there. If he can work this offseason, and start looking decent back there next season (which will probably be his last in the minors), then stick with him. But I?m telling you?if Jesus doesn?t look like a future catcher by the middle of next season, it?ll be time to deal him. And what the Yankees could get in return will be worth it.
    ————————-

    As I said, Montero will be mid-twenties when Tex’s contract expires. So even if Montero isn’t a long term catcher the Yankees will have a position for him and he’ll still be plenty young enough.

  246. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 21st, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    “Thames has actually showed some patience at the plate this year, walking more than 10 percent of the time.”

    And he’s got two walkoff hits. That has to count for something.

  247. fiveironfromfenway July 21st, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    For those looking to trade Montero – Have you noticed what he has done the last two months. As a 20 year old his OPS over the last two months is over 1.000 and he hit two home runs the other way yesterday.
    The guy will be a tremendous, tremendous hitter. You don’t trade him at the drop of a hat for anyone. If you get a true ace, Lee or Halladay sure.

  248. Spiced Ham July 21st, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Nice, Bruce Chen going tomorrow for the Royals. Should be fun.

  249. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    There is no way the yankees keep the DH spot open for Jeter. Look at how he is hitting, they’d be shooting themselves in the foot.

  250. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Bruce Chen.

  251. LGY July 21st, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Marcus Thames has a career .234/.294/.473 against RHP.

    Miranda has 59 PA this year. Just 59.

    Can we have little patience please before branding him with a label that he can’t hit?

  252. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    “# BryanV21 July 21st, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Having a 21 year old DH is ridiculous. If done right, Montero is better for the Yankees as trade bait than as a DH. And let’s not forget that the DH spot needs to be available for guys like Posada (1 more year beyond 2010), Jeter (will most likely sign a 3-4 year deal after this season), and ARod.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The only way you touch Montero is if it could have gotten you someone like Cliff Lee, a lights out starter on most nights.

    The Yankees are not shopping Montero, they were willing to move him for a top notch pitcher

    This kid is now mashing the ball in AAA and is 20 years of age

    Would you be comfortable in knowing we have traded the next Miguel Cabrera for example

    Montero is on pace for more than 35 doubles, 20 HR at his age in AAA

  253. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    And he?s got two walkoff hits. That has to count for something.

    Miranda hit a walkoff in 08 and 09

  254. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    There is no way the yankees keep the DH spot open for Jeter. Look at how he is hitting, they’d be shooting themselves in the foot.

    ——————————-

    I don’t know what we are supposed to do with him after this year. People are talking about resigning him like it’s a given, I understand why, I just don’t know how we can give Jeter 4 years like some people on here have suggested.

  255. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Thames vs. righties- .814 OPS
    Miranda vs. righties- .733 OPS

    Just because it should be true, it doesn’t mean it actually is.

  256. ron July 21st, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    We can’t condemn the dh spot for the next 5 years by saying we can’t get a dh because of po,jeter,arod.

    Most of montero’s value is at catcher,he is blocked at 1b & i don’t think he can play any other position but don’t know for sure.

    If montero is halfway decent behind the dish his value is off the charts & gives us a massive advantage.
    It is also nice to see vaz coming around when we really need him.If we can get burnett right & hughes too be at least decent then we don’t need a starting pitcher but would love too see a dh with pop in the lineup,doesn’t have too be dunn.

  257. Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Austin is what 20 ??? I think it’s only his 3rd year playing OB…..I could be wrong, but it only seems like a few years ago I was watching him play in HS….

  258. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Miranda vs Lefties: .333 .455 .556 1.010

    Maybe they should be reverse platooned Matt?

  259. LGY July 21st, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    “Thames vs. righties- .814 OPS”

    ———————

    That is in 46 PA.

    You can’t be serious Matt.

  260. BryanV21 July 21st, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Carl – 20…30…40 years old, it doesn’t matter. He’s going to be MLB ready in the next year, and he doesn’t have a position. We don’t have the luxury of waiting. You either trade him while his stock is so high, or you may end up with a 21 year old DH. And then Montero has to sit every once in a while for somebody like Jeter and ARod.

  261. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    ……

  262. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 21st, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    “Miranda hit a walkoff in 08 and 09″

    LOL! Thames gets the edge for doing his in the same season.

  263. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    It’s not that Miranda isn’t getting results, he has a very bad approach at the plate that tends to make many think that he won’t be able to have success at this level.

    He is a dead pull hitter, but lacks the plate discipline necessary to lay off the outside pitch and get something he can hit. He has trouble reading offspeed pitches and cannot punish mistakes even when he gets them.

    He’s sitting on the fastball but when he gets one, he still isn’t hitting it because he’s so inbetween because of his problems with the breaking ball. He’s a nice bat off the bench, but he’s not an everyday player.

  264. jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    great javier imploding

  265. Cashman needs to go July 21st, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    javy starting to lose it!!

  266. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Ok Javy buckle down…

  267. BryanV21 July 21st, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    Of course you don’t trade Montero except for an elite player. I’m not talking about getting Jon Garland or Miguel Olivo here. And if Montero ends up like Cabrera, and the Yankees get somebody elite that helps them win a few more titles, then I’ll be fine with it. It’s not like I’d hope for the worst out of Jesus were he traded anyway.

  268. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    Damn , its ok just keep it at 3 and we will be fine Javi!

  269. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    lol i wouldn’t base the DH spot on who has the most walkoffs. If so, then they need to trade back for Melky immediately. Half of the formula of getting a walkoff hit is luck in being up in that rare scenario to start with….

  270. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    Thames has a very bad approach at the plate as well Matt. Tell me more about bad approaches.

  271. YankFanCA July 21st, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    Man, the starters have really declined lately.

  272. Cashman needs to go July 21st, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    6 -3 that AROD weak grounder last inning taking the air out of the rally looking huge right about now

  273. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    They’re right back in this game. The last 3 batters all worked every count, and took 10 pitch at-bats and fouled off pitch after pitch. what a god damn joke. fat loser bobby wilson hitting a hr. Thanks Juan for swinging at Ball 4. Guess it wasn’t “overmanaging to walk Cano.” You walk Cano every time to get to the likes of Miranda.

  274. Blogger Formerly Known As Dan July 21st, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    My Romine argument is based on how important a good catcher is for a pitcher’s psyche. Nearly every SP outside of pettitte would rather not pitch to Posada because they don’t like his catching ability. Though he calls a nice game, he forces pitchers to second guess breaking pitches and worry too much about holding players.

    Putting Montero behind the plate will not help them. Romine can really catch a solid game and if he can hit .280 plus that will be all the better. Romine thus is my idea of a future catcher.

  275. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 21st, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    Has Javy fallen off of a cliff?

  276. One With The Pinstripes in Colorado Since 61 July 21st, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Could have been as much as 10-0, now all of a sudden 6-3….ouch!

  277. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Come on Javy get out of this inning man, 6-0 lead to start it make it stand

  278. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Oh jeez, what is going on here? Vazquez is seriously imploding.

  279. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Oh stop being ridiculous, I’m not saying he’s an all star because of 46 plate appearances.

    I’m merely pointing out that for all of the nonsense spewed forth about his inability to hit RHP, he actually has been holding his own this year. Until he proves otherwise, he deserves a chance. He’s a lot more patient than Miranda and when he gets a hold of a mistake, he can hit it a lot better.

    Thames is a professional hitter, while Miranda is undisciplined and over aggressive at the plate. With the propensity of guys like Jeter and Cervelli to swing earlier in counts, they need guys that work the count around them.

  280. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    He’s lost it. Get him out of there before the whole lead is gone.

  281. YankFanCA July 21st, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    Damn it. Get him out of there.

  282. pat July 21st, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    How about an out?

  283. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 21st, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    4 straight hits.

  284. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    What is going on with Vazquez here,

  285. LGY July 21st, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Everyone on the Yankee team has a bad approach according to you Matt.

    The major reason no one takes you serious.

  286. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    They’re right back in this game. The last 3 batters all worked every count, and took 10 pitch at-bats and fouled off pitch after pitch. what a god damn joke. fat loser bobby wilson hitting a hr. Thanks Juan for swinging at Ball 4. Guess it wasn’t “overmanaging to walk Cano.” You walk Cano every time to get to the likes of Miranda.

    ————————————

    *sticks foot in mouth*

  287. Rishi July 21st, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    outs people – what happened to the outs

  288. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Go figure he was sailing along and all of a sudden he falls off a cliff, W.T.F. did he catch the Burnett syndrome.

  289. Apple byte July 21st, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Same old story. You can’t ever have enough runs. Been proven way too many times.

  290. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Are we seriously having a Thames vs. Miranda debate? Come on.

  291. SJ44 July 21st, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Ive never seen a pitching staff in my life have so much trouble getting #9 hitters out.

    Torched again by a guy hitting under .200.

    Time to get Vazquez out of there. He isn’t missing any bats at this point.

  292. NY Wankee July 21st, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    take a deep breath, Javy! And get back to what you were doing the first 4 innings.

  293. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Wont blame Vazquez. He’s getting tired because this failure of a team – the Angels – has decided that they are going to fight off pitches and keep at-bats alive, rather than swinging through pitches as is their norm.

  294. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    And it looks like yet again the offensive ineptitude is coming back to bite them.

    You can never say that a certain number of runs is “enough” in a major league game, especially one in a park like this.

    They could have had a run on an out last inning, and Miranda chased ball 4 with the bases loaded without doing any damage. They could have blown the game wide open and put them away at 8 or 9, but instead they were just one or two swings away from getting back in it and they managed some.

  295. Cashman needs to go July 21st, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    this is the javy that will be showing up in the postseason – or against good hitting teams like the rays, redsox and texas

  296. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    My biggest concern about Vazquez falling apart here is that we have to rely on the bullpen.

  297. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    I don’t know if it’s Javy’s sudden shakiness that’s making me shiver or the bone-chilling cold of Northern California, but I don’t like it.

  298. NY Wankee July 21st, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    now put him away!

  299. YankFanCA July 21st, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    16 HR allowed by Vazquez in 99 innings. Pathetic.

  300. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Come on guys! take him out of there? hes not even at 70 pitches and we are winning…
    on the top of that we are hiiting Piniero so lets leave Javi there!!

  301. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Thames is such a pro hitter he has an 8% career walk rate and a 28% K rate. 25% o-swing. 70% contact.

    Juan Miranda 9.8% BB rate career, 25% K rate career. 27% o-swing, 73.1% contact.

  302. m July 21st, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    And I also agree with Nick in SF @ 1:32 pm. :)

    I take a phone call and all blank breaks lose in the game.

  303. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    this is the javy that will be showing up in the postseason – or against good hitting teams like the rays, redsox and texas

    ————————-

    I don’t like you. We need this crap right now? You should add Vazquez’s name to your handle.

  304. CountryClub July 21st, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Abreu has 10 hr’s vs Javy in his career.

  305. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    LGY,

    Taking one comment that I make and extrapolating it to its most extreme form. Yeah, that sure represents what I said and makes you sound sooo intelligent.

    Miranda is not a major league hitter. He has loads of talent and destroys AAA pitching, but he does not have the polish to put together consistent at bats at the Major League level. The book is out on him, so unless he learns how to adjust he will continue to get beaten on bad pitches.

  306. Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    SJ, Vasquez is up in the zone and catching too much of the plate, a bad combination for a sinker guy…….The # 8-9 hitter woes is unbelievable this season, same as the surrendering a hit with 2 strikes in a pitcher’s count…..I don’t get it…..How’s Tony ????

  307. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    They could have had a run on an out last inning, and Miranda chased ball 4 with the bases loaded without doing any damage. They could have blown the game wide open and put them away at 8 or 9, but instead they were just one or two swings away from getting back in it and they managed some.

    Matt, had Miranda gotten a hit it would have been a 2 out RBI, and as you’ve said multiple times, those are bad. I’m glad Miranda has changed his approach to eliminate 2 out RBIs.

  308. YankFanCA July 21st, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    He can’t put anyone away. They are all getting deep into the pitch count.

  309. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    The last thing we want is this bullpen coming into the game. We know their story

    Javy needs to compose himself and get out of this inning.

  310. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Javy hasn’t missed bats all day.

    Its why I temper my enthusiasm when a guy has 0 strikeouts through 4 innings regardless of how many hits or runs he’s allowed.

    More evidence for the importance of stats like BABIP.

  311. WMD July 21st, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Those 3 runners stranded last inning look pretty big now

  312. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    i understand you are all enthralled with montero’s bat, but hear me out here.

    anyone that complains about posada’s defense should not be hoping that montero catches for us at all. romine should be the catcher of the future because he is a catcher, i would rather have superb defense than superb offense in that spot. there’s no need to shoehorn someone else into a position that we have covered already.

    obviously we are all aware of our DH slot woe’s over the next 5 years. no room at the inn.

    waiting for teixeira’s contract to expire to slide montero in at first base is a decent idea, but how happy is anyone going to be to go back to giambi style first base defense after all these years of teixeira scoops?

    because of our position scarcity, montero’s value is higher to other teams than it is to us. before anyone figures out if he can or can not catch at a major league level, he should be moved for a piece that better fits our plans (ie. a lee-type young stud pitcher). otherwise we are banking on him proving out, which is not the certainty of the situation contrary to what people that compare him to cabrera think. i could ramble off a list of can’t-miss prospects a mile long that have not panned out that were exactly where Montero is today.

    a classic risk vs reward scenario, and as a team that always hedges its bets i would expect the yankees to try to capitalize on his value before it may be too late.

  313. jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    i like to thank the angels for being idiots

  314. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Whew. Nice little turn of events there. Thank you Mr. Aybar.

  315. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Thanks for the free out Aybar.

  316. RS July 21st, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    I think Vazquez might have struggled with a lack of concentration having a 6-0 lead and facing the bottom of the order. He’s so used to having no run support and every pitch being a big deal.

  317. YankFanCA July 21st, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Wow, what a bonehead play!

  318. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Big outs!

    I dont mean to get on Miranda, but all the statistics of his success in 08 and 09, aren’t they near meaningless? In 2008, the Yankees season meant nothing late in the season. In 2009, the season did not mean all that much late in the season, as the AL was pretty much wrapped up.

  319. Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Yanks catch a break there…Aybar is nuts a be running

  320. SJ44 July 21st, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Comparing Miranda’s stats to anybody right now is worthless because of the small sample size.

    The problem today is where he is hitting in the order today.

    More a byproduct of Granderson not hitting than Miranda’s skills at this point.

  321. m July 21st, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Okay, just read backwards.

    Chip,

    And had the umpires not make the call, Broxton would probably have stayed in. And he could’ve blown it himself. He was not even in the same zip code as “almost automatic” that night. That’s what we’re saying. But yes, it sucks that the bases were loaded….

  322. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Thames has had 2 seasons of 25 or more HR at the major league level and one with 18. What has Miranda accomplished at this level?

    It’s amazing how much Thames has been buried on the bench with the limited options they have for these at bats.

    Nowhere am I saying Thames is an all star quality hitter, but he’s better than what they have and he’s better than Miranda. Anyone who has watched their at bats this year would pretty quickly agree with that. It’s one thing to give him a chance if he’s a top prospect with a lot of promise, but this guy is not one anymore.

    If they are going to waste AB’s on Miranda, they might as well call up Montero and rotate him and Posada between C/DH now that he is starting to destroy AAA.

  323. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Macfan is right, we need 2 more from Javi and the ofense needs to put more runs.

    And you guys know Joe isnt taking Javi in the 5! its July man!

  324. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Our offense needs to work some counts to give Javy a breather, especially since it’s the bottom of the order.

  325. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    m, what about 1:36 pm and 1:44 pm????

  326. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Well, he pulled himself together there. A few more runs would be nice. 6-7 strong from Vazquez should be enough to earn us a split.

  327. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 21st, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Okay boys, back to scoring runs. We’re going to need them.

  328. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    3 pitches and out for Grandy :(

  329. One With The Pinstripes in Colorado Since 61 July 21st, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Yep, those Angels sure know how to play the game the right way….every one of them is a genius, staring with the manager……nice to take themselves out of a rally inning.

  330. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    GJ by Sisco there!

  331. jrazz12 July 21st, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    atta-boy grandy. best way to boost that average is to watch 3 straight strikes

  332. YankFanCA July 21st, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Same ol, same ol for Granderson

  333. hardwired7 July 21st, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    I blinked during Granderson’s AB.

    Evidently, he’s out already…

  334. Blogger Formerly Known As Dan July 21st, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Irreverent,

    I would have to believe Cashman feels the same way.

    He was willing to give us Montero for ONE championship and the chance to negotiate with Lee.

    That says a lot about Montero and how the Yankees view his highest worth to the team.

  335. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    “More a byproduct of Granderson not hitting than Miranda’s skills at this point.”

    To an extent this is true. However, Miranda, like many Cuban players, is not a disciplined hitter. So he’s not going to walk when they pitch around him.

  336. Bill D July 21st, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    #9 hitters vs. Yankees = .248 avg, .313 OBP, .682 OPS
    #1 hitters vs. Yankees = .233 avg, .293 OBP, .607 OPS

    That is kind of strange.

  337. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    “Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    i understand you are all enthralled with montero’s bat, but hear me out here.

    he should be moved for a piece that better fits our plans (ie. a lee-type young stud pitcher).”

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Well other than Josh Johnson I can’t think of too many I’m willing to move him for

    Not Oswalt, not Haren

    I just don’t want the Yankees making the mistake of trading away a player that could be an offensive force in MLB, thankfully Cashman seems to be thinking along that path as well.

    Josh Johnson is one of the few guys I would be willing to move Montero for and Florida isn’t trading him.

  338. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    YankFanCA July 21st, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    16 HR allowed by Vazquez in 99 innings. Pathetic.
    ————————

    Javy has always allowed alot of homers. That has never changed. It was probably my only concern when the Yanks acquired him with the short porch at YS.

  339. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    i understand you are all enthralled with montero’s bat, but hear me out here.

    anyone that complains about posada’s defense should not be hoping that montero catches for us at all. romine should be the catcher of the future because he is a catcher, i would rather have superb defense than superb offense in that spot. there’s no need to shoehorn someone else into a position that we have covered already.

    obviously we are all aware of our DH slot woe’s over the next 5 years. no room at the inn.

    waiting for teixeira’s contract to expire to slide montero in at first base is a decent idea, but how happy is anyone going to be to go back to giambi style first base defense after all these years of teixeira scoops?

    because of our position scarcity, montero’s value is higher to other teams than it is to us. before anyone figures out if he can or can not catch at a major league level, he should be moved for a piece that better fits our plans (ie. a lee-type young stud pitcher). otherwise we are banking on him proving out, which is not the certainty of the situation contrary to what people that compare him to cabrera think. i could ramble off a list of can’t-miss prospects a mile long that have not panned out that were exactly where Montero is today.

    a classic risk vs reward scenario, and as a team that always hedges its bets i would expect the yankees to try to capitalize on his value before it may be too late

    ——————————————–

    There has to be a distinction between HAVING to move Montero, and having the option of doing so. Many on here are making him sound like a sure flop. If the right deal comes along, the Lee deal for example, then of course you make a move. We have the luxury of depth at catcher on the farm. People saying we should be actively shopping Montero as if there is a need to move him immediately are taking it too far. Organizational depth is rarely a problem, these things have a way of working themselves out. I would bet that Montero’s status, the DH situation, and the like will be solved in ways we cannot foresee at this point. Trying to predict the market from our position is laughable.

  340. Cashman needs to go July 21st, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    i’m not watching the game – did granderson just strikeout on 3 straight CALLED strikes?

  341. SJ44 July 21st, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Pat M,

    I’m sitting in the heat again behind HP.

    Javy really hasn’t thrown it all that well today.

    It’s been more a byproduct of the Angels not being patient in the early going than Javy’s stuff being crisp.

    Tony got the wires out yesterday and is celebrating being able to eat solid food again!

  342. mick July 21st, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    baseball=inexplicable

  343. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    i’m not watching the game – did granderson just strikeout on 3 straight CALLED strikes?

    ——————–

    No, he decided not even to come to the plate.

  344. MikeY July 21st, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    SJ is the only one who would defend Granderson at this point.

  345. jrazz12 July 21st, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Cashman needs to go July 21st, 2010 at 2:48 pm
    i’m not watching the game – did granderson just strikeout on 3 straight CALLED strikes?
    ———–

    Yes, he looked like JD Drew up there

  346. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    baseball=inexplicable

    —————————-

    You just can’t predict baseball.

  347. Cashman needs to go July 21st, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:49 pm
    i’m not watching the game – did granderson just strikeout on 3 straight CALLED strikes?

    ——————–

    No, he decided not even to come to the plate
    _____________________

    he probably strikes out in his dreams as well

  348. Carl July 21st, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    # Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    YankFanCA July 21st, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    16 HR allowed by Vazquez in 99 innings. Pathetic.
    ————————

    Javy has always allowed alot of homers. That has never changed. It was probably my only concern when the Yanks acquired him with the short porch at YS.

    Hughes has allowed 13. Pathetic.

  349. Carl July 21st, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    CC has allowed 12. Pathetic.

  350. LGY July 21st, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Matt,

    Thames is not buried on the bench.

    He plays vs LHP, since he has shown over his entire career he cannot hit RHP.

    There is no “book” out on Miranda. The guy has barely played at the major league level.

    I need to go back to not reading your posts…

  351. Bill D July 21st, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    “We have the luxury of depth at catcher on the farm”

    Speaking of which, what’s up with Sanchez? He hasn’t played since 7/15.

  352. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    “16 HR allowed by Vazquez in 99 innings. Pathetic.”

    Pinero, ostensibly a sinker-groundball pitcher, has allowed 13.

  353. jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    thats calls was dreadful

  354. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    To an extent this is true. However, Miranda, like many Cuban players, is not a disciplined hitter. So he’s not going to walk when they pitch around him.

    9.8% BB rate for his career. 11% in the minors. You’re thinking of Dominican Hitters, also completely ignoring all of Mirandas stats.

  355. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    “# jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    thats calls was dreadful”

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Tell me about it, it seems like the quality of umpiring on MLB has gone down the porcelain hole.

  356. m July 21st, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Nick in SF,

    Strange. Not seeing anything. ;)

  357. Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    SJ, No more shakes ..How much weight did he drop ??? Granderson will show up and will sizzle down the stretch, just wait and see…..

  358. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Thames entire career has been built on slugging, he has never had a good avg or obp: .245 .311 career.

    This season he isn’t slugging. WHy would you play him hoping he continues to do exactly what his skillset suggests he can’t, while he has shown he is no longer capable of doing the one thing he is supposed to be good at?

    Declining SLG% and ISO the last 3 years.

  359. pat July 21st, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Rays using Randy Choate and his 6.46 ERA alot.

  360. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Javi needs a quick inni and we will be fine.

  361. hardwired7 July 21st, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    According to Pitch F/X, all 6 pitches to Jeter were strikes:

    http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....type=3.gif

  362. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    LGY,

    You don’t think 53 at bats is enough to start to pick up on a guy’s approach at the plate?

    He has not hit a home run in his last 35 major league at bats. He has 3 walks over that span.

    Anyone who has watched this guy play even in limited playing time with the Yankees could tell you his weaknesses. Do you honestly think major league pitchers haven’t noticed by now?

  363. jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    pulled him, typical javier

  364. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    macfan – i do agree that there are not many pitchers out there right now that i would actually trade him for, josh johnson is a good example. the line of thought coming down from the yankee brass is clear. montero would be gone already some other teams had let us trade him.

    IIOIIOIIO – i agree, he doesn’t have to be traded at all. the funny thing about roster depth is that you only have it when you don’t need it. the sentiment that montero should be un-touchable in trades is the part i don’t understand, where he could clearly help us fill in other araes of need, should the appropriate deal present itself.

    i would never condone selling low on him “just to move him”.

  365. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    “9.8% BB rate for his career. 11% in the minors. You’re thinking of Dominican Hitters, also completely ignoring all of Mirandas stats.”

    I’ll admit I’m surprised by those numbers.

  366. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    “We have the luxury of depth at catcher on the farm”

    Speaking of which, what’s up with Sanchez? He hasn’t played since 7/15.

    —————————————

    I’ve noticed this as well, although I haven’t been able to find any information about it. Does anyone else know what’s going on?

  367. Erica in NY July 21st, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    pat July 21st, 2010 at 2:55 pm
    Rays using Randy Choate and his 6.46 ERA alot.
    ******************

    Maybe they think he is actually capable of getting it below 6.00 if he pitches more????

  368. Cashman needs to go July 21st, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    wow – javy – wow

    its CC, Andy and ??? in the playoffs?

    Where have you gone Cliff Lee…

  369. RS July 21st, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Why pitch him inside? Why??

  370. mick July 21st, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    hate this team

  371. pat July 21st, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    No ones cheering Matsui now. :sad:

  372. Erica in NY July 21st, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Rubber Duckie on my iPod :lol:

  373. rconn23 July 21st, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    The pitching has been inexplicably terrible the entire homestand so far. Even Sabathia struggled mightily with control, but limited the damage.

    You score six runs, you have to win that game. It’s all on the pitching, not the offense today.

  374. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Well i think is time to take him out…

  375. Cashman needs to go July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    another swing and miss by cashman with this loser on the mound

  376. question July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    SJ44, I am at the game. I think I see you. Do you have a groomed beard?

  377. Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Is Matsui still washed up guys ???

  378. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    IIOIIOIIO – i agree, he doesn’t have to be traded at all. the funny thing about roster depth is that you only have it when you don’t need it. the sentiment that montero should be un-touchable in trades is the part i don’t understand, where he could clearly help us fill in other araes of need, should the appropriate deal present itself.

    i would never condone selling low on him “just to move him”

    ————————————-

    Then we completely agree on this. I don’t think he’s completely and utterly untouchable. I would have been fine with the Lee move. Like you said we should be on the lookout for the “appropriate deal.”

  379. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    I suspect one of Burnett, Hughes, or Javy will be going well in September. Any of those three are capable of dominance at a given time. I think Hughes will sort himself out, if he can learn to pitch on irregular rest. Because the Yankees need to rest him.

  380. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Vazquez has never regained the velocity on the fastball.

  381. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Boy Javy really spit the bit today.

    6-0 lead and he let the team right back in the game.

    Very poor job.

  382. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Pathetic.

    But if the offense did its job and buried this game, they would have had enough wiggle room to absorb these blows. Vazquez was not fooling anyone in this game, he had 0 K’s until the last guy of the last inning. You couldn’t have expected him to put up zeroes all game.

  383. mick July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    javy is not mentally tough, not to be trusted

  384. RS July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Vazquez and Burnett just need to pitch the road games in the playoffs

  385. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    Why is it when we’re down 6-0, it’s lights out?

    Now our offense has to come to play again.

  386. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    m: time zones are tricky.

  387. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    So apparently, Matsui only does well against us. LOL!

  388. rconn23 July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    You’ve got to pull him before he coughs up the lead. The pitching is just inexcusable.

  389. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Is Matsui still washed up guys ???

    Probably? Does this mean I can say Jeter is washed up when he goes 0 for 10? You know baseball doesn’t work that way. Bobby Wilson is 1 for his last 1 with a HR, the new Bonds?

  390. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Wow…didn’t see that implosion coming the way he pitched earlier in the game…

  391. Erica in NY July 21st, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    So apparently playing the field agrees with Matsui…..

  392. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Poor velocity and bad command.

    Also, I hate the Angels.

  393. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    # Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    I suspect one of Burnett, Hughes, or Javy will be going well in September. Any of those three are capable of dominance at a given time. I think Hughes will sort himself out, if he can learn to pitch on irregular rest. Because the Yankees need to rest him.

    ———————————

    Oh my god, are you being reasonable? What a breath of fresh air!

  394. Cashman needs to go July 21st, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    anyone still think vazquez has turned it around? my dead grandmother can hold the mariners to 2 runs in 7 innings

    he’ll soil his diapers against the redsox and rays come september – lets not even mention javy in the playoffs

  395. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    I was JUST going to write this would be a perfect spot to bring in Logan. Matsui hasn’t touched lefties all season. What in the world was Girardi waiting for to take him out?!! He has thrown batting practice for 2 innings now.

  396. MikeY July 21st, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Good job not resigning Matsui

  397. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    You give a starter a 6-0 lead early he should make that hold up for 7 innings

    This one turned out to be a stinker by Vazquez

    Now we will have to see the bullpen

    Nutless performance by Vazquez today.

  398. YankFanCA July 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Wow, what a sudden and complete implosion.

  399. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    what you need in the playoffs are 3 solid , reliable pitchers, which is why we won last year.
    the most valuable being Andy.
    w/o him forget it.

  400. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    why are you all acting like little girls.

    yes, pat m, he is still washed up. the sun shines on a broken clock… or something like that.

  401. WMD July 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Is Vazquez even a Type A free agent at this rate?

  402. Northy July 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Does the Yankees only have one reliable pitcher right now?

    Burnett has to step up – right now with Pettitte down

  403. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Even with registration, Matt hasn’t changed his tune. It’s always on the offense, right Matt?

    The offense did their job today. When you give a pitcher a 6 run early lead, he should be able to hold the opposition at bay. It’s on Javy that this game is nearly tied.

  404. pat July 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    “But if the offense did its job and buried this game, they would have had enough wiggle room to absorb these blows.”

    You spot someone 6, it’s not on the offense.

  405. SJ44 July 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Staying WAY too long with Vazquez. Big, big mistake.

    Should have had Logan pitch to Matsui.

    The offense gives the starter a six run lead, he can’t give it back like this.

    That’s why you can’t count on this guy. He’s completely unreliable and thankfully will only be here this season.

    Pat M,

    He dropped 13 pounds.

  406. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    # MikeY July 21st, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Good job not resigning Matsui

    ————————-

    You don’t watch much baseball, do you?

  407. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    That’s a good question CR9.

    The offense this year is not as good as its numbers. They pile on the runs against mediocre pitching, but they are so inconsistent and have trouble sustaining scoring throughout the game. With Vazquez struggling a bit in this game despite the zeroes on the board, they needed to keep tacking on runs, and they kept the Angels in the game by missing some big chances.

  408. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Nutless performance by Vazquez today.
    ============
    Well said.
    Matsui is an assassin.

  409. Blogger Formerly Known As Dan July 21st, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    How far off is Nuñez?

    It’s getting a bit tiresome that one of the bench spots is taken up by a guy with a glove.

  410. RS July 21st, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    I hate this stadium. By getting rid of the two players who utilized the short perch the most (Matsui, Damon), and adding flyball pitchers like Vazquez, Park, and Hughes, the Yankees are conceding some of their homefield advantage.

  411. YankFanCA July 21st, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Javy is a mop-up man in the playoffs. Can’t pitch him if the game is either side of a 6-run differential.

  412. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Matt. Any offense that scores 6 runs has done more than enough to put their team in position to win the game. If they lose today, it’s on Javy’s and the bullpen’s meltdown. Your one note comments on the offense are getting tiresome.

  413. WMD July 21st, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Can’t wait to see Joba in the game!

  414. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Its amazing how fickle you all are.

    Vazquez has two bad innings and all of a sudden he’s back to being “soft,” “gutless,” and “unreliable.”

    You’d think he’d get some benefit of the doubt given how he’s pitched recently.

    JAVY SUCKS!!!!

  415. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    D-Rob needs to step up here. And the offense needs to get some runs back.

    And Vazquez…well, this is his worst outing in a while. Just don’t let it become a trend.

  416. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    “# Northy July 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Burnett has to step up – right now with Pettitte down”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Having to have Burnett step up is kind of scary actually, dude is not known for his composure, maybe he is still shadowboxing and punching objects in frustration.

  417. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Where am I saying it’s all on the offense?

    The offense is a piece of this as well as the starting pitcher. Who actually thought the Angels would score zero in this game? If you put the runs on the board that you should have had, the game would have been well out of reach. The way Vazquez was pitching, they were still just one or two swings all away from coming back.

    Vazquez hasn’t been good today, but the offense deserves the blame as well. You guys hate Vazquez because of 2004, I get it, but one or two bad pitches doesn’t damage you as much if you get more support as well.

  418. Carl July 21st, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    # RS July 21st, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    I hate this stadium. By getting rid of the two players who utilized the short perch the most (Matsui, Damon), and adding flyball pitchers like Vazquez, Park, and Hughes, the Yankees are conceding some of their homefield advantage.

    Yep! So annoying. Matsui should be hitting those 1 row deep homers for us.

  419. Erica in NY July 21st, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    I liked this blog so much better in the first hour of the game when everyone liked Javy Vasquez

  420. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    It stinks that the Yanks haven’t tacked on anymore runs since early in the game. Miranda had a dreadful at bat and then they just left Cervelli at 2nd base. The offense really needs to pick up the starters and score runs when they get the chance.

  421. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    “# G-C July 21st, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Its amazing how fickle you all are.

    Vazquez has two bad innings and all of a sudden he’s back to being “soft,” “gutless,” and “unreliable.”

    You’d think he’d get some benefit of the doubt given how he’s pitched recently.

    JAVY SUCKS!!!!”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Not so much fickled as he was given a big, fat, huge, 6-0 lead and couldn’t last through 6.

    Now we need Robertson to likely pitch 2 innings.

  422. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    G-C July 21st, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Its amazing how fickle you all are.

    Vazquez has two bad innings and all of a sudden he’s back to being “soft,” “gutless,” and “unreliable.”

    You’d think he’d get some benefit of the doubt given how he’s pitched recently.

    JAVY SUCKS!!!

    ———————————

    I’m getting a headache from the complaining. It’s unreal. All semblance of interesting and/or reasonable discussion just evaporates when we give up a few runs. Instead of registration, there should be an IQ test to earn the ability to post comments.

  423. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    pulling javy at 80 pitches with clean bases is the only mistake made here.

  424. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Even with registration, Matt hasn’t changed his tune. It’s always on the offense, right Matt?

    Why would registration change how the negative nellies post??? I don’t get why people thought registration was going to stop trolling. It literally only stops impostering.

  425. jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    yanks have 6 runs, javy a choke artist

  426. LGY July 21st, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    “Is Vazquez even a Type A free agent at this rate?”

    ————————–

    Yes.

  427. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Come on DROB !

  428. RS July 21st, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Well, now the offense should still be able to tack on runs. The Angels scored 6 off Hughes but they didn’t just mail it in after that. We still have 4 innings to tack on runs. But who the heck is going to pitch out of the pen?

  429. sammy July 21st, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Vazquez seems to be one of those pitchers that can’t seem to push past any his own mistakes. Maybe he misses a location or someone just hits a good pitch… and he starts to work more towards not getting another hit than getting out of the inning.

    An example that may be possibly ironic? Keanu talking about “quicksand” in “The Replacements.” Is Javy the Keanu Reeves of the Yankees starters?

  430. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    This Angel team couldn’t win a game on the road and are walking in here and acting like they own the joint.

  431. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    The loss of Andy is going to show us how much we need Lee.

  432. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    # Erica in NY July 21st, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    I liked this blog so much better in the first hour of the game when everyone liked Javy Vasquez

    ——————————

    Agree 100% It gets so obnoxious around here when something goes wrong.

  433. Bryan July 21st, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    The only time the Yankees aren’t allergic to runs when Vazquez pitches and this is the game he gives the team

    nice one

  434. jackamir July 21st, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Javy being Javy. He has no fastball. Topped out at 90. A dead fish. Put him in the bullpen and bring up a starter. Javy is good for 3 innings at best.

  435. Carl July 21st, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    # Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    This Angel team couldn’t win a game on the road and are walking in here and acting like they own the joint.

    Like they always do?

  436. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    its funny that half of the people complaining about javy in the last 5 minutes are the same people complaining about the trolls and idiots in the game-day threads.

    news flash: you are those idiots. the season does not rotate on a pitch by pitch basis.

  437. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    “Not so much fickled as he was given a big, fat, huge, 6-0 lead and couldn’t last through 6.

    Now we need Robertson to likely pitch 2 innings”

    It happens. The idea that he was pitching “well” over the first four innings was an illusion anyway.

    He had a bad day. Pick it up and move on. He’s been a tremendous pitcher since June.

  438. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    An example that may be possibly ironic? Keanu talking about “quicksand” in “The Replacements.” Is Javy the Keanu Reeves of the Yankees starters?

    —————————

    Awesome :)

  439. MikeY July 21st, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Ex A on why Robertson can’t be trusted. Walks.

  440. m July 21st, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Nick,

    I think that’s it.

    Kevin Frandsen. Sounds familiar. Former Gigante? Bad feeling here.

  441. LGY July 21st, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Vazquez has been one of their best pitchers for 2 months.

    One bad start.

    You people are ruthless.

  442. Northy July 21st, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    A walk, a bunt and whats next? A blast…

    Having Miranda bat 6th is beginning to hurt – really hurt

  443. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    The starting pitching has carried this team all season. The offense has very rarely picked up starters who have had less than stellar outings.

    You aren’t going to get perfect performances out of the pitching every day. They were still in yesterday’s game too even with how bad Hughes was, yet they couldn’t scratch out even so much as a hit against O’Sullivan.

    It wasn’t a good performance by Vazquez today, but that doesn’t mean the offense couldn’t have done more to give him more breathing room. Sometimes it all just falls apart at once, these are major league hitters and a game is never over in the American League. You can’t let up like they have at times offensively.

  444. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    This game is going to get away from the Yanks very quickly….

  445. Brappy55 July 21st, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    This is horrific. 6-0 against a sub-par Angels team who’s getting their hits from everyone except Torii and Bobby…..and no Kendry Morales.

    EMBARASSING

  446. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Vazquez seems to be one of those pitchers that can’t seem to push past any his own mistakes.
    =========================
    Add Aj to that list and Joba.
    Andy is the rock and CC has guts.
    We carried AJ last year in the playoffs.
    Too many parts are missing, Damon, Matsui had character, that counts for something.

  447. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Do people really sit down, watch the game, and when something goes wrong say “Hey, I think I’ll go make everyone miserable on the blog now?”

    I can understand some complaining if you’ve been a part of the discussion for the whole game, but to only log on when you want to whine seems a little sad.

  448. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    That was a rhetorical question, Matt.

    I dont understand, DRob gets the first out, then inexplicably walks the fat toad Rivera, and now is 2-0. This is sickening.

  449. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    He’s angry that someone cleanly ran him over at home plate. Why don’t we make him even more angry and drill him in the head.

  450. RS July 21st, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Vazquez had plenty of games where he pitched well and didn’t get the win. Against the Mariners, Tigers, Blue Jays, and Mets just off the top of my head. So now let’s see the rest of the team try to pick him up. Pettitte was well on his way to having a terrible outing against the Rays but the relievers and offense stepped up. They have to do the same today, especially with the terrible showing yesterday.

  451. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Too many parts are missing, Damon, Matsui had character, that counts for something.

    ———————

    Character? Really? I guess we better load up on guts and grit too. Be reasonable, character counts for nothing. Performance matters.

  452. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    # LGY July 21st, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Vazquez has been one of their best pitchers for 2 months.

    One bad start.

    You people are ruthless.
    ==================
    He hasn’t proven anything.
    Money on the line, he chokes.

  453. SJ44 July 21st, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    The inability of the pitching staff to consistently retire #8 and #9 hitters the last two months have hurt them more than the offense.

    Hard to figure out why bad hitters own this pitching staff.

  454. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    really? we carried aj while he was throwing darts in the playoffs? lol…

    it doesn’t embarrass you to call yourselves fans when you walk talk and eat like a bandwagon bridge-jumper?

  455. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    “He hasn’t proven anything.
    Money on the line, he chokes”

    ——————–

    Just like A-Rod, right?

  456. YankFanCA July 21st, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    CR9 — You’re classless. Even joking about throwing at someone’s head shows what a piece of garbage you are.

  457. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Character? Really? I guess we better load up on guts and grit too. Be reasonable, character counts for nothing. Performance matters.
    ===========================
    That’s BS.
    These guys crawl under a rock and mail the game in this year.
    Much different team than last year.

  458. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    I’m sorry but why is it wrong to criticize a major league starter that is given a 6-0 lead and can’t get through the 6th inning of the game.

  459. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Fortunately, we almost certainly won’t be seeing the Angels in the playoffs. Which is good, since they exploit the Yankees’ weaknesses with surgical precision.

    Just get out of the inning David! Seriously!

  460. Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Matsui would look pretty good hitting in the Yanks lineup right about now , wouldn’t he ???? He’s on pace for 20 plus dingers and 90 plus rbi’s …….Save the bs guys, it was a mistake signing Nick and letting Mats walk……I was on the record back in December about this very same issue

  461. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    horrible throw by arod.

  462. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    If Arod made a decent throw they had Rivera at 3rd base. Hopefully it doesn’t hurt them..

  463. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Mick,

    Your argument is tiresome.

    This team is BETTER than last year’s team to date. Better by QUITE A BIT.

    The 2009 Yankees weren’t some heavenly exalted collection of human beings compared to this team. Especially when the team is virtually the same and this group has been BETTER.

    We didn’t “carry” AJ in the playoffs last year. The only 2 bad outings he had were in games in which we were up 3-1 in the ALCS and World Series. How is that “carrying” him?

    He pitched brilliantly in game 2 of the ALDS and ALCS and I don’t think his performance in game 2 of the World Series, one of the best Yankee postseason performances since the dynasty run, needs any elaboration.

  464. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    This is stomach churning stuff to watch.

  465. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    aj had one good playoff game…cc and andy did the heavy lifting…throw away your pompoms

  466. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    pat m – you know thats not what happened, so why do you keep harping on it?

  467. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Wasn’t joking. Just giving an example. If he’s angry about something clean, we may as well do something dirty and give him something legitimate to be angry about.

    I’ll take the strikeout instead.

  468. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Robertson inability to get ahead with his stuff is utterly maddening. He should be *so* much better than he is.

  469. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Come on Robertson find the freaking plate!!!!

  470. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    That’s BS.
    These guys crawl under a rock and mail the game in this year.
    Much different team than last year.

    ——————————

    You don’t happen to have anything to back that up, right? Maybe I’m one of those crazy people who would like to see proof. I don’t play this chemistry/character/guts/grit game. That’s the BS.

  471. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Matsui would look pretty good hitting in the Yanks lineup right about now , wouldn’t he ???? He’s on pace for 20 plus dingers and 90 plus rbi’s …….Save the bs guys, it was a mistake signing Nick and letting Mats walk……I was on the record back in December about this very same issue

    I love Matsui but come on. .230/.300/.400 from the DH????????????????????????????????????

  472. RS July 21st, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    This bullpen is brutal. No one can pitch a clean inning except Mo. Even when Robertson and Chamberlain don’t let up runs, they always leave runners on base.

  473. YankFanCA July 21st, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    You’re an idiot . . . classless garbage.

  474. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    iioiioiio – we certainly aren’t tied for the major league lead in comeback wins or anything… oh wait…

  475. Tar July 21st, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Early leads are subject to late comebacks. Scioscia’s style matches up well against the Yankees. This game is wide open, I like the Yankees chance.

  476. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

    Huge luck!!!!!!

  477. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    I’m also tired of people elevatign Andy Pettitte to untouchable status as a “big game” pitcher while disparaging Burnett and Vazquez’s ability to do the same.

    Andy Pettitte has crapped the bed in more big postseason starts than I can count. Off the top of my head, he was miserable in game one of the 1996 WS, game 3 of the 1998 ALCS, game 5 of the 2000 ALDS, game 6 of the 2001 WS, and game 2 of the 2002 ALDS.

  478. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Houdini gets out of it.

  479. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    OMG the bullpen is amazing! robertson for cy young! world series over!

  480. qiantom July 21st, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Who’s the best pitcher that the Yankees developed in their system since Andy and Mo?

  481. Northy July 21st, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    phew…

    So far at least. Sooner or later they will break and not bend, so some runs would be very appropriate :)

  482. MikeY July 21st, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Hey Cash, don’t go out and get Soria or anything and actually make this pen good. Wouldn’t want that.

  483. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    got the job Done.

  484. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    What a pathetic inning.

    Sorry but I hate to be negative but some things just rub you the wrong way

    I cannot stomach the Angels team and they got swept 4 games in Chicago and lost 2 of 3 in Oakland and walk in here and you would think they are the best team in baseball.

    I thought we were.

  485. Carl July 21st, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    # mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    # LGY July 21st, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Vazquez has been one of their best pitchers for 2 months.

    One bad start.

    You people are ruthless.
    ==================
    He hasn’t proven anything.
    Money on the line, he chokes.

    Money was on the line today folks! Big money game today!

  486. m July 21st, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    At least he didn’t walk Kendrick. Was a little hairy, but the outcome was good.

    Insurance, please.

  487. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Well the difference in the comebacks between this year and last year is mostly the result of the inability of the bullpen to shut the opposing team down in close games or when they are trailing early.

    But at the same time, the quality of the at bats when trailing in the game tails off substantially. If you want to see numbers, look at the Yankees game notes on mlb.com which list the number of comebacks. They are on pace for fewer comebacks this year than last of 3-4 + runs.

    Last night’s game was a prime example of the difference. When Hughes left they were down 4 against a guy they should have been hitting, but they did nothing against him and the Angels eventually put the game away against the bullpen.

  488. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Do people really sit down, watch the game, and when something goes wrong say “Hey, I think I’ll go make everyone miserable on the blog now?”
    =====================================
    Only if you are a oversensitive child.
    Since when can’t you complain. You take the good with the bad.
    It’s a roller coaster.
    Get used to it.

  489. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    “aj had one good playoff game…cc and andy did the heavy lifting…throw away your pompoms”

    ___________________________________________________

    Did you WATCH game 2 of the of both the ALDS and ALCS?

    I don’t think you must of. Burnett was good in the ALDS game and brilliant in the ALCS game, much better than his line indicated in both cases.

    He had better stuff in the ALCS game than he had in the World Series game.

  490. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    The lineup has to get back to work. They obviously aren’t winning this game with 6 runs. It’s time to put the pressure back on Piniero and the Angels pitching.

  491. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    G-C July 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Mick,

    Your argument is tiresome.

    This team is BETTER than last year’s team to date. Better by QUITE A BIT.

    The 2009 Yankees weren’t some heavenly exalted collection of human beings compared to this team. Especially when the team is virtually the same and this group has been BETTER.

    ———————————–

    But what about the chemistry! The character! You can get by in the regular season, but come playoff time, it’s all about having a team full of gritty, gritty Ecksteins.

  492. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    “Who’s the best pitcher that the Yankees developed in their system since Andy and Mo?”

    Almost certainly Phil Hughes. And he’ll be good. Give him a few years in the rotation. His stuff and command are excellent, he just needs to learn to pitch a bit more efficiently.

  493. LGY July 21st, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Matsui has had major issues against LHP this year.

    He has been worse than Granderson vs LHP.

    Could he turn it around? Maybe, but it is very possible it is just a product of his decline.

    Him and Granderson in the same lineup vs LHP would kill us in the playoffs.

    You would have to platoon one or both of them.

    Basically, Matsui would be an upgrade to Miranda right now and that’s it, because Thames is much better against LHP at this point.

  494. RS July 21st, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    “aj had one good playoff game”

    He won all his Game 2 starts. It was the Game 5 starts that gave him trouble. And to be fair, pitching in Anaheim or in Philly on short rest is not exactly easy. Pettitte wasn’t exactly lights out in his Anaheim and Philly starts.

  495. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Money was on the line today folks! Big money game today!
    ========================================
    Don’t bet your house on him in the playoffs.

  496. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    G-C – he also has… a ton of postseason starts. law of averages says some of them will be good… others? not so much.

  497. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Oh come on guys, you know that the statistic “come from behind wins” is totally meaningless. Being down 1-0 in the first and scoring 10 runs is not much of a comeback.

    The real ones that count are the ones late in games, or when trailing by many runs before you pull it off. In those categories, they are struggling a bit more this season than last.

  498. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Nice at-bat. Wave through an 89 mph pitch that is way out of the strike zone.

  499. sammy July 21st, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    qiantom – wouldn’t Phil be in that discussion? Or even Joba? Granted, Hughes hasn’t won 200+ games yet… and Joba isn’t Mo (I’d even put yet here)… but, let’s see whether one / both of them get there in the next 14 years. No?

  500. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    game 2 starts are usually not as pivotal as game 5′s or 3′s, which Andy handled with grace.

  501. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    that’s not a strike. should be a 2-0 count.

  502. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    “# Tar July 21st, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Early leads are subject to late comebacks. Scioscia’s style matches up well against the Yankees. This game is wide open, I like the Yankees chance.”

    +++++++++++++++++++

    Funny but not too many teams around baseball seem to be unable to beat the Angels

    They are nothing special this season at 51-45

  503. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    matt – you have never played baseball a day in your life, have you?

    obviously, they should just go up there and hit. score runs. it’s so obvious. so easy.

  504. MikeY July 21st, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Maybe Cash should also get a DH cos Miranda is a prototypical 4A.

  505. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    The Yankees have not scored a run since Vazquez started giving them up, and have let Pineiro stay in this game to finish 6 innings despite his ridiculously high early pitch count.

    When you give up those runs, it’s a new game and you have to show up again offensively. This Yankees team does not tack on, and they do not have a lights out pen. It’s a terrible recipe for winning close games.

  506. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    99 pitches going into the inning. Scalded ball by ARod, but a 7 pitch inning. Way to go offense!

  507. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    man that was quick…

  508. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Guess Joba will have to hold this one run lead.

  509. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    “G-C – he also has… a ton of postseason starts. law of averages says some of them will be good… others? not so much.”

    That’s my point.

    Burnett had some good and bad ones last year too.

    Pettitte has a 3.90 career postseason ERA. He’s not this exalted postseason pitcher, he’s virtually exactly the same pitcher he is in the regular season. Which is what you would expect over the amount of innings he’s thrown.

    Mark me down as someone who doesn’t consider Pettitte any less of a risk to have a tremendous postseason implosion than Burnett or Vazquez. I’ve seen it too many times.

    The only GREAT “postseason pitcher” the Yankees have had since 1996 is Orlando Hernandez.

  510. m July 21st, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    That was quick. :?

  511. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    1,2,3, Wow

  512. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    “The real ones that count are the ones late in games, or when trailing by many runs before you pull it off. In those categories, they are struggling a bit more this season than last.”

    Which, as anyone who understands sample sizes will tell you, is entirely due to fluctuations in luck, and not any qualifiable reason.

  513. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Stop with the ridiculous snipes at me. You know full well that you make your own breaks in this game. When you swing at garbage pitches that aren’t strikes, you aren’t going to hit balls hard and you aren’t going to get many good results. There is a degree of luck in terms of ball placement, but if you have low quality at bats you will more often than not get low quality results.

  514. m July 21st, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Recipe? There are no recipes. It’s baseball.

  515. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    “The only GREAT “postseason pitcher” the Yankees have had since 1996 is Orlando Hernandez.”

    You’re joking, right? El Duque had some good games, but he had stinkers too, and he was often injured.

  516. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Listen, you clowns love AJ and Javy, be my guest.
    Javy won’t be here next year and they wish they could get something for AJ.
    Give me guys like CC and Andy anyday and yes they possess character which seems to be a foreign word to some.

  517. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Please welcome your SIG, Boone Logan!

  518. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Some startling news for you idiots.

    2010 Yankees
    Wins when trailing in the 9th: 3
    Wins when trailing in the 8th: 5

    2009 Yankees:
    Wins when trailing the 9th: 5
    Wins when trailing in the 8th: 9

    They’re basically on the same pace as the 09 team.

  519. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    When you give up those runs, it’s a new game and you have to show up again offensively. This Yankees team does not tack on, and they do not have a lights out pen. It’s a terrible recipe for winning close games.

    ——————-

    I agree on the pen point, but what makes you think we don’t have a tack on offense? Are there actually statistics on that sort of thing? Not being disingenuous here, I’m curious. Didn’t we have to “tack on” to bring the lead to 6-0?

  520. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    G-C – but pettitte doesn’t go out there and throw up a stinker in the playoffs either… there are only like 5 GREAT postseason pitchers in the history of baseball… yet somehow they aren’t all in our rotation this year, weird!

  521. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Logan in.

    I am scared.

  522. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Carl,

    Javy has always had trouble with the longball. He has been pitching great up to this start and I loved getting him in the offseason but he has always been plagued by the homerun. As long as they are solo shots he will be ok. Glad you are so smart though and knowledgable about baseball. Pathetic.

    I wasn’t taking shots at Hughes or Sabathia. moron.

  523. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    You all forget that the Angels are an over .500 team who was in the ALCS last year. I don’t exactly expect them to roll over when they are down 6-0. Don’t forget, they are in a pennant race, too.

  524. ET July 21st, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    When you give your starter a 6-0 lead and he gives back 5 of the runs, how do you blame the offense?

    Pinero has been outstanding lately, we are fortunate we even scored as many as we did.

    Another meltdown by Javy… how could anyone trust this guy in a big game…

  525. gjws12 July 21st, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    “The only GREAT “postseason pitcher” the Yankees have had since 1996 is Orlando Hernandez.”

    Unless I missed the part where this was a discussion only about starters, Mo would like a word with you…

  526. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Boone’s got a hell of a chance to establish himself in this pen. He’s got velocity. See if that command comes along.

  527. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Yes, they are small sample sizes, but anyone who has watched this team can easily see the difference.

    There’s a reason teams do not rely on statistics exclusively, or the scout would be extinct by now. When they blow leads or fall behind in games, they visibly begin to expand the zone and swing earlier in the count.

    If you want to cite statistics, then yes they are small samples. But if you actually watch the games on the field, you can see the actual performance, which matches up with the statistics by far more than bad luck. They aren’t smoking a ton of balls right at guys in these situations, they are hitting routine grounders and lazy fly balls.

  528. Tar July 21st, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    “I’m also tired of people elevatign Andy Pettitte to untouchable status as a “big game” pitcher while disparaging Burnett and Vazquez’s ability to do the same”

    So then you go and disparage Andy in attempt to prove your point. Ironic and stupid.

    btw Andy is 18-9 with a 3.9 era over 249 innings.

  529. NYYROC July 21st, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Coming out of the break none of the NYY SP have been sharp. Next time around they’ll shrapen up, starting tomorrow with CC.

  530. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Our pitching staff is in trouble. CC and pray for rain – at this point.

  531. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Logan throw strikes!!!!

  532. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    # Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Logan in.

    I am scared.

    ————————–

    Wait until Joba comes in with a 1 run lead in the 8th. Then you shall taste real fear.

  533. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Listen, you clowns love AJ and Javy, be my guest.
    Javy won’t be here next year and they wish they could get something for AJ.
    Give me guys like CC and Andy anyday and yes they possess character which seems to be a foreign word to some.

    ———————-

    Again with the character. You know why you want guys like CC and Andy? Because they are BETTER PITCHERS. Where does this unquantifiable character come in? Why exactly is CC or Andy of a higher “character” than AJ or Javy.

  534. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Huge inning for Logan facing the middle of the order. You almost get the feeling of here we go again with the Angels coming back. Logan needs to settle everybody down and then tack on some insurance runs with Arod, Cano, etc.

  535. Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Face, Are my projected numbers wrong ???? Besides you may want to take a better look at his numbers….Platoon him with Thames is what most likey would have occurred….I still beleive he would have performed better had he stayed in The Bronx……Compared to what Giradi has to work with…..

  536. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Girardi should have Posada pinch hit for Miranda. The bottom of the lineup is very poor and I doubt one at bat is going to hurt him. Teams are going to keep walking Cano if his protection is Miranda or Posada.

  537. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    “G-C – but pettitte doesn’t go out there and throw up a stinker in the playoffs either… there are only like 5 GREAT postseason pitchers in the history of baseball… yet somehow they aren’t all in our rotation this year, weird!”

    I know, right!

    The only truly “great” postseason pitchers I’ve seen in my lifetime are Schilling and Hernandez.

    They for whatever reason elevated their games to unseen previous levels. Perhaps it was a sample size thing. But some of the things Hernandez did in the postseason were flat out Houdini like, almost legendary. He’d get wins pitching on FUMES.

  538. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    1 out.

    *fist pump*

  539. Yankee Blue July 21st, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    This game is going to come down to Joba.

  540. MikeY July 21st, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    This pen is horrendous. 3-2 on every hitter.

  541. RS July 21st, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    “game 2 starts are usually not as pivotal as game 5’s or 3’s, which Andy handled with grace.”

    Well last year, AJ’s game 2 starts were MUCH more pivotal than his game 5 starts. In both the ALDS and ALCS the Yankees went into Game 2 leading the series 1-0. In the WS they were down 1-0. A loss in game 2 in any of those series would have taken away the Yankees’ HFA. In his game 5 starts, the Yankees were up 3-1 with Pettitte scheduled to pitch at home should Burnett fail. Much less pressure.

  542. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Matt, the “professor of batting”. What a joke.

  543. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    sorry Matt, i didn’t realize that you are the only one watching this team play this year. i wonder what the rest of us have been doing… where did you learn to see the games so well? will you teach me?

  544. bruceb July 21st, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    How many games have we won in Anaheim from 6-0 down? I can’t remember too many. When a team comes back on you, you have to respond by tacking on a few runs…not a 1, 2, 3 innings on seven pitches, which only serves to build their momentum. I fear the worst.

  545. Bernie Goes Boom July 21st, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Pat -

    Matsui signed with LA far before Nick Johnson was brought in. Cashman told his agent that they were talking to Damon first so Hideki jumped on a good offer from LA. I loved Godzilla and sure he would have helped the lineup, all things considered, but they didn’t exactly jettison him for NJ. The mistake was prioritizing Damon over him, if any.

  546. theREALkevin July 21st, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    you know that argument that it was a good move not to re-sign Hideki because he’s having a crappy season?

    well, that simply doesn’t hold water. we don’t know how he would have done with the Yankees this season. would those stats with the Angels simply exactly translate had he been a Yankee in 2010? uh, no, we have no way of knowing. if anything he probably would have had a much better year- wanted to be a Yankee, huge fan support, more comfortable. clearly he hasn’t gotten hurt this year, and that was one of Cashman’s main concerns. i still think that was a lame move not bringing him back and he’s reminding it of us this series.

  547. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Here we go.

  548. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Face, Are my projected numbers wrong ????

    I’m saying they aren’t really a measure of quality that you think. Anyone can hit 20 HRs given enough at bats, its the rate at which they are hit which is important. If Matsui hit .250/.330/.400 (.730 OPS), the fans would be rioting.

    Matsui, after April 2009, NEVER had a slash line that low.

    I wanted Matsui back as much as anyone, but he just isn’t that great this season. You’re letting a 2 game series cloud your judgement.

  549. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    matt speaks very much like the only exposure to baseball he’s ever had is through his television.

  550. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Last season a game like this

    You could have counted on in the regular season

    Coke
    Robertson
    Hughes
    Mo

    now its bite your nails and squeeze your butt cheeks together in angst.

  551. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    You obviously don’t know what character is, probably because you don’t have any.
    Character is a mental thing.
    Character is not giving in when things aren’t going well and you have the strength to right them, not caving in as some pitchers do.

  552. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Conspiracy theory alert:

    I believe the bullpen owns majority shares in a pharmaceutical corporation founded on a prominent ulcer medication.

  553. MikeY July 21st, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Does anyone really think that Robertson-Logan-Joba are going to shutdown good teams in October?

  554. theREALkevin July 21st, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Bernie, that’s simply incorrect. Cashman made it VERY clear that he had no interest bringing back Hideki basically after the season was over it was decided. Matsui knew he wasn’t wanted, so he quickly signed with the next best option in his mind, with a team that actually wanted him.

  555. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Apres Matsui, le deluge?

  556. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    The Yankees have already lost 7 games when leading after 6. They only lost 2 all of last season.

    They had 16 wins last year when trailing after 6, but only 6 this season.

    Very late comebacks like that Dodgers game tend to happen the same amount between seasons because they are so exceedingly rare to begin with, but the Yankees have had trouble winning the games they should win with leads, and have had trouble winning when trailing later in games on a more consistent basis.

  557. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    That was impressive by Logan mowing down Godzilla.

  558. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    kevin – i didn’t see you in here talking about matsui “reminding” us of what he was when he was grounding out every at bat in april.

  559. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Logan got the lefties out. Props to him.

  560. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    # theREALkevin July 21st, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    if anything he probably would have had a much better year- wanted to be a Yankee, huge fan support, more comfortable. clearly he hasn’t gotten hurt this year, and that was one of Cashman’s main concerns. i still think that was a lame move not bringing him back and he’s reminding it of us this series.

    ——————————————-

    If Matsui put up this kind of year in NY, Cashman would have been roasted for bringing him back.

    Can’t win with you people.

  561. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    # Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Logan in.

    I am scared.

    ————————–

    Wait until Joba comes in with a 1 run lead in the 8th. Then you shall taste real fear.

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    ROFL

  562. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    “You obviously don’t know what character is, probably because you don’t have any.
    Character is a mental thing.
    Character is not giving in when things aren’t going well and you have the strength to right them, not caving in as some pitchers do.”

    _________________________________________________________

    Because you have some special insight into the minds of Pettitte and Sabathia.

    Christopher Nolan should have called you to audition for Inception. If you do indeed have this special ability you might have been able to play DiCaprio’s role pretty well.

  563. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    I dont know you guys but i feel like joba is going to make a statement today , for god or bad.

  564. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    its joba time!

  565. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    I can’t decide what this team needs more a hitter or a reliever…? I think a reliever…. To continue to count on these AAA pitchers in the bullpen is very scary.

  566. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    I try to be positive most of the time, but the sight of Joba coming into a game always makes me somewhat queasy.

  567. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Gas Can Chamberlain is in. Hopefully his luck starts normalizing right about now.

  568. hardwired7 July 21st, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Apres Matsui, le deluge?

    ———————–

    bien sûr

  569. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    They had 16 wins last year when trailing after 6, but only 6 this season.

    They lost lost 48 times, twice as much as this year.

  570. miggs July 21st, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    big spot here for Joba…

  571. Carl July 21st, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    # Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Carl,

    Javy has always had trouble with the longball. He has been pitching great up to this start and I loved getting him in the offseason but he has always been plagued by the homerun. As long as they are solo shots he will be ok. Glad you are so smart though and knowledgable about baseball. Pathetic.

    I wasn’t taking shots at Hughes or Sabathia. moron.

    Was talking to the guy above your moron.

  572. Bronx Jeers July 21st, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    BryanHoch:

    “Matsui has hit as many HR’s at Yankee Stadium as Curtis Granderson.”

  573. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    “Does anyone really think that Robertson-Logan-Joba are going to shutdown good teams in October?”

    Relievers are immensely unpredictable. That bunch, with the new Albie, have a chance to be very good. Or not. Hard to know at this point.

    I’m not sure they can really trade for anything seriously better without giving up more than they should.

  574. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Message to Joba:

    It’s tomorrow already.

    The sun better come out.

  575. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Look guys, the point is incredibly obvious and it’s pretty clear to people who watch the games with any level of detail. It’s not easy to find statistics to back these things up, but what are you going to say for example to what I just posted?

    Eventually you reach the point where the performance accumulates enough to see it in the numbers.

  576. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    “# bruceb July 21st, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    How many games have we won in Anaheim from 6-0 down? I can’t remember too many. When a team comes back on you, you have to respond by tacking on a few runs…not a 1, 2, 3 innings on seven pitches, which only serves to build their momentum. I fear the worst.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    Exactly, you have a 6-0 lead at home, take care of your business.

  577. SJ44 July 21st, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Add Marte and Hughes to the bullpen in October and it’s a different bullpen.

    Which, if they get in the playoffs, is what will happen.

  578. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Ok then you take Aj , I’ll take Andy for a big game. We’ll see who wins.

  579. Apple byte July 21st, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Close your eyes and block your ears until the top of the 9th inning.

  580. theREALkevin July 21st, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    please don’t address my posts vblade if you are going to come up with garbage like that. i was always for bringing Hideki back. i was campaigning starting at the middle of last season. if Hideki had an awful year with the Yanks this season, i would have eaten my words. we needed a real DH this year and i thought Hideki was still capable. please don’t put words in my mouth, you don’t know me, don’t pretend like you do.

  581. RS July 21st, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Andy is not a postseason god, and neither is Jeter. Both are just lucky enough to have such a large sample size in the postseason that their numbers basically reflect exactly what you’d expect from them. Just like Beckett’s postseason ERA is coming down to earth with more starts, and Arod’s HR/RBI stats are climbing up with more ABs. Mariano is really the only one who has put up godly stats in the playoffs.

  582. sammy July 21st, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    I would love the team to 162-0. To have the five dominating starters… a bullpen that offered intimidating nightmares to hitters… a defense that ebbed and flowed as naturally as the tides… and an offense that was all Ruth-ian, all the time.

    But even that team wouldn’t go 162-0. The ’27 Yankees didn’t; neither did the gang in ’98. There’s going to be opportunities to improve. Don’t you want that as your team? To improve with each game… and to have guys go out and prove themselves to you?

    Last time I checked, the team most / all of us rooted for day in and day out are the reigning world champions, and currently have the best record in baseball. We’re doing okay. Right now is the challenge. We persevere through this, we should look forward to what the rest of the year brings.

    Go Yanks.

  583. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    We just gave a guy 2nd base.

  584. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Joba maybe check the runner at 1st base…..

  585. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Ball one. Another first pitch slider.

  586. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    oh noo…

  587. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Offspeed stuff with no location.

    That’s nice.

  588. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    How does Hunter stael that base without a throw..!!!???

  589. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    And Joba can’t find the plate with a compass. Seriously, guys…

  590. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    So what is your point, Jerkface?

    They are on pace for the same number of losses in that situation, but have many fewer wins. You can say how they don’t have as many wins in that situation because they have fewer chances, yes, but then they also are on pace for the same number of losses, so what does that mean?

  591. RS July 21st, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    This team blew a 5-0 lead to the Indians at home with Sabathia on the mound, so why shouldn’t they blow a 6-0 lead to the Angels with Vazquez on the mound?

  592. blake July 21st, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Can’t allow Hunter to steal uncontested there.

  593. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    whew, hanging slider there.

  594. RJ July 21st, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Can we bring back the trolls. Better game thread reading than matt, betsy et al.

  595. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Which, if they get in the playoffs, is what will happen.
    ==================================
    C’mon SJ, I know you don’t believe that.

  596. LGY July 21st, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    The problem with Matsui’s struggles vs LHP and bringing him back would be that Girardi wouldn’t platoon him.

    Scoscia is not even platooning yet, and Girardi is much more “loyal”

    We would have to live with Matsui’s pitcher like performance vs LHP and hope he turned it around at some point like in the past vs LHP.

  597. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    What an unlucky walk!

  598. Patrick July 21st, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Hey CR9 you still around buddy?

    I’m glad you’re finally using your real name on here, I know how much you like being other people. If I were you I’d want to be anyone else!

    Anyways, do you enjoy being me on twitter? Must be a thrill imagining that you are not actually a pathetic loser..

  599. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Here comes the implosion….

  600. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Hunter is sitting at 1st base with cement in his cleats against any other team.

  601. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    They are on pace for the same number of losses in that situation, but have many fewer wins. You can say how they don’t have as many wins in that situation because they have fewer chances, yes, but then they also are on pace for the same number of losses, so what does that mean?

    They’re on pace for the same amount of wins by your logic.

  602. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Joba is a MESS. He doesn’t even check the runner at 1st base and then of course walks the next batter. There is no way they can continue to have him pitch late in the game.

  603. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Stolen base off him.

    Then a walk.

    Excellent.

  604. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    matt – 4 less comeback losses over the course of a season seems like a really pointless and stupid thing to be arguing with someone over.

  605. Bill D July 21st, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    “Ball one. Another first pitch slider”

    One possible reason for the slider there = 1st pitch swingers are 11 for 18 off Joba in 2010.

  606. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    haha

  607. jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    W.TF.

  608. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    the walk is not bad, you pitch around that guy when you get behind and go for the ground ball with the next batter. it’s like.. pitching 101. you all need to go back to school.

  609. RS July 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    This is a joke. Only the Angels could come in here and get free stolen bases and infield singles to load the bases.

  610. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Ok, chalk that one up to bad luck for Joba.

    Time to look into the abyss again.

  611. SJ44 July 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Joba never looked at Hunter Blake. I’m at the game.

    He was four steps to second as the ball left his hand for home plate.

  612. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Bases loaded. We’ve got them right where we want them?

  613. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    How unlucky! :(

  614. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    “# vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    What an unlucky walk!”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL

  615. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    He loads the bases.

    Really lights-out stuff so far.

  616. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    One thing for sure, you can’t go to the bullpen everyday for 3-4 innings.
    Not this one.
    We need length and w/o Pettitte we lose some. Mitre won’t give it.
    These are the dog days.

  617. GreenBeret7 July 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    That blown coverage on Hunter was Cano’s.

    Does any team get more infield hits against the Yankees than the Angels?

  618. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Guess this is pretty obvious, but we could use a run or two.

  619. RJ July 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Oh yea of little faith.

  620. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Suffer is the name of the game!

  621. Bill D July 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    “Ok, chalk that one up to bad luck for Joba.”

    He got totally FIPped on that one.

  622. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    thank God.

  623. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Joba escapes…do we see dejo in the 8th?

  624. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    The scary part is Joba still has to pitch another inning…..

  625. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    the walk is not bad, you pitch around that guy when you get behind and go for the ground ball with the next batter. it’s like.. pitching 101. you all need to go back to school.

    ——————–

    Only Joba isn’t a ground ball pitcher. No worries, you can just attribute it to luck when the ground ball doesn’t happen.

  626. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Well, he got the out. Three more? Please?

  627. Disco July 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    So Mariano is pitching the 8th and 9th, right?

    RIGHT?

  628. miggs July 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Its so painful to watch this guy pitch.

    It used to be such a joy…..

    Don’t forget Mitre when discussing the playoff bullpen. I’m willing to bet he gets some big outs for us. He was pitching well before the oblique issue.

    And I think he’ll fill in well for Andy while he’s out. People sell that guy short for some reason, but Mitre can pitch.

  629. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    snarky hindsight comments really make you guys look smart. seriously. i’m in awe of your genius.

  630. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Jerkface,

    What in the world are you talking about?

    They are on pace for the same number of losses in the situation as last year but in many fewer chances. That means they are not doing as well in that situation.

    Again, what is your point? It’s good to not trail as much after 6 innings, which is part of why they are winning, but that’s more about the pitching’s success than that of the offense.

    If you gave this team last year’s pitching, I don’t think the offense would be able to pick them up enough to get them to a similar level in terms of wins. Last year’s team was running out Mitre and Joba 2 out of every 5 starts and Burnett was awful for much of August and September. The bullpen and offense carried that team.

  631. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    When it comes to the Yankees bullpen

    There should be a clear warning

    This is Bad For Your Heart

    Yikes. I think mines skipped a few beats

  632. GreenBeret7 July 21st, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Not likely to have gotten Hunter anyway with a 5 step running start, but, still, Cano was the cover man.

  633. Bronx Jeers July 21st, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    The skin on my teeth is absolutely throbbing!

  634. blake July 21st, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    SJ,

    Yea I know….can’t let it happen… Hope you’re well SJ.

  635. m July 21st, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Unlucky with Rivera. Lucky with Frandsen. It all evens out. :)

  636. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    the walk is not bad, you pitch around that guy when you get behind and go for the ground ball with the next batter. it’s like.. pitching 101. you all need to go back to school

    —————————–

    I was thinking the same thing. Especially with Napoli at the plate, he’s been cranking the ball out all year. I’d rather deal with Rivera, the runner is already in scoring position. The bigger issue was the inexplicable stolen base.

  637. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    vblade – i’m sure that slider hasn’t ever induced a ground ball… OH and Joba is 50% GB for his career. no worries, i’m sure you’ll just make up some other cynical nonsense to try to prove yourself right.

  638. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Patrick

    What are you talking about? Are you unable to take responsibility for any personal problems that you have in your life, so you turn to blaming them on some anonymous person on the internet? How can I enjoy being you when I don’t know you, nor do I want to know you?

  639. theREALkevin July 21st, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    LGY, do yourself a favor and look at Hideki’s career splits against LHP

    1 season does not make a career

  640. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    This FIP/BABIP luck BS gets really tiring. You are what your performance says you are.

    Advanced metrics are supplementary information, but you have to get it done on the field.

  641. miggs July 21st, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    3 more outs to Mo.

  642. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    “# Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    The scary part is Joba still has to pitch another inning…..”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    ROFL, my advice to the Yankees score a couple of runs more if they want this one today.

  643. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Only Joba isn’t a ground ball pitcher. No worries, you can just attribute it to luck when the ground ball doesn’t happen.

    45% GB rate for his Career which is slightly above league average

  644. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    matt – i think you have no idea what the actual stats are beind anything you just said. you are totally wrong.

  645. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Again, I’m not arguing over the NUMBER of comeback wins. I’m point out that the team changes its approach at the plate when behind and has trouble making those kinds of games close enough to have a chance to come back.

    It’s not just that the results are the same, it’s that they don’t give themselves the chance either to come back. When they trail by 3 or 4 runs they don’t chip away enough, so if they don’t have a huge inning they have trouble coming back. They don’t hit as many home runs, and they don’t work the count as much.

  646. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    vblade – i’m sure that slider hasn’t ever induced a ground ball… OH and Joba is 50% GB for his career. no worries, i’m sure you’ll just make up some other cynical nonsense to try to prove yourself right.

    ——————————

    Nah, I got Gas Can’s ERA and entire slash line as my cynical nonsense, no need to make anything up.

    Thanks for the offer though.

  647. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Patrick

    What are you talking about? Are you unable to take responsibility for any personal problems that you have in your life, so you turn to blaming them on some anonymous person on the internet? How can I enjoy being you when I don’t know you, nor do I want to know you?

    How did Trisha taste? I bet she was tough, I hope you didn’t hurt your teeth

  648. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Note to the offense: Joba still has to pitch the 8th inning. If you want to win this game you must score another 2-3 runs.

  649. Carl July 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....#038;_mp=1

    Montero home run.

  650. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Only Joba isn’t a ground ball pitcher. No worries, you can just attribute it to luck when the ground ball doesn’t happen.

    —————————–

    I agree, but the ground ball wasn’t really an issue to me. Napoli is a better hitter than Rivera, I don’t mind pitching carefully to him. Either way, thank god it’s over.

  651. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Great work on that Jack Curry segment.

    Kind of eerie camera work too. Joba was looking into the abyss and the abyss was… us?

  652. Disco July 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Can someone tell Girardi the save stat was abolished so he can stop being stubborn and use our best pitcher when we need him, rather than only in the ninth?

  653. ET July 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    If they don’t Joba-proof this game, they are going to regret it…

  654. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    vblade – FIP/BABIP/etc are not excuses, they are reasons. get it through your thick head.

  655. pat July 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Robbie too anxious right there.

  656. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    They are on pace for the same number of losses in the situation as last year but in many fewer chances. That means they are not doing as well in that situation.

    In more than half a seasons worth of games, the yankees have less than half the amount of losses when trailing after 6 and yet have exactly half as many wins. Their wins pace is slightly more, and their loss pace is slightly left.

  657. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    I have no idea behind the actual stats? Really?

    Enlighten me, since you are apparently a self proclaimed baseball genius.

    It’s so difficult to interpret what a stat like “record when leading after 6″ means. I’m glad you’re here to teach me such valuable lessons.

  658. jrazz12 July 21st, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    why is robbie back to swinging at that junk high fastball?

  659. RS July 21st, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    At least this is the last time we face the Angels this year. And hopefully until 2011 if the Rangers keep cruising.

  660. Mike_Boston July 21st, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Anyone know why Jorgie wasn’t DH today? I know it’s a day game after night but does swinging the bat 4 times really count in that scenario? Miranda protecting Cano=bad

  661. m July 21st, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    w-t-f Jerkface? That was totally uncalled for.

  662. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    # ET July 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    If they don’t Joba-proof this game, they are going to regret it…

    ———————–

    Maybe they can wave some four leaf clovers and get a Yankee-approved soothsayer to improve his luck.

  663. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    oh boy, here comes more discussion.

  664. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Big HR by Miranda! Extra insurance run!

  665. Mike_Boston July 21st, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    reverse jinx!

  666. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    “It’s not just that the results are the same, it’s that they don’t give themselves the chance either to come back. When they trail by 3 or 4 runs they don’t chip away enough, so if they don’t have a huge inning they have trouble coming back. They don’t hit as many home runs, and they don’t work the count as much.”

    Does it occur to you to attribute some of these comebacks to poor performances by pitchers? Take Broxton. Broxton was clearly off that night, and *because* of that, the Yankees were, rather than being buried by his overpowering stuff, able to foul pitches off, take the pitches he missed with, and fought back for four runs.

    And I’m liking that, Miranda!

  667. pat July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Who was that that hit a HR? :wink:

  668. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    It’s so difficult to interpret what a stat like “record when leading after 6? means.

    Tell me about Juan Miranda’s terrible approach.

    Also you did not understand the stat completely, so obviously something is wrong.

  669. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    JUAN GONE

  670. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Miranda? That was a mistake pitch.. LOL

  671. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Scott Shields, you have the right to GO HOME!

  672. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    What were you guys saying about Miranda earlier?

  673. jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    well that shut me up, i been hating on miranda since he got here. great job miranda

  674. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Carl,

    My apologies. The way you worded it made it seem like you were attacking me. I didn’t see you address anybody in particular and you also copied and pasted my quote making you think you were talking to me directly.

  675. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    hahah Take that MIranda haters!!!!!

  676. theREALkevin July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    atta boy MIRANDA

    guy is no hall of famer but he definitely has some pop in his bat

    he’s got some power, kinda surprised no team has pried him away from us in the past

    that could be a big run right there

  677. m July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    HootHoot! <>

  678. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    w-t-f Jerkface? That was totally uncalled for.

    CR9′s the one that killed and ate her. Which I think was a little uncalled for.

  679. blake July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Thats what Miranda brings to the table..

  680. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    haha, i like the surprise in Kay’s voice when he said “and Granderson slaps one to left field”

  681. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Matt-

    Would you like some sauce to go with that crow?

  682. Yank 97 July 21st, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Miranda > Granderson

  683. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    matt – you were shown the stats, you appear to be ignoring them. they are making comebacks at almost an identical rate to last year, so everything youve said in the last 15 minutes is rubbish.

  684. MikeY July 21st, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    A sign of the apocalypse. Miranda and Geanderson with hits b

  685. theREALkevin July 21st, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    and Granderson with an opposite field hit??!?!? please more of that Curtis, more of that approach, the average will climb i promise if you keep that up

  686. m July 21st, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Is there a special recipe for that crow? ;)

  687. LGY July 21st, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    theREALkevin,

    No need for the snark.

    I have acknowledged several times that it is out of line for his career.

    But he has not just been against LH pitching, he has been dreadful.

    And the few times I have seen him face LH pitching like against Logan there, he has looked very uncomfortable at the plate.

    This also is not his “career.” This is a year towards the end of his career. And we were only looking for 1 year for Matsui so all that matters is what he is doing this year.

    Personally, I wouldn’t bet on a 36 year old LHB with bad knees turning it around and reverting to his career norms vs LHP.

    And if he does, he still would have hurt this team to this point, because their biggest weakness is against LH starters, and he is like throwing a pitcher out there vs LH starters.

    He has a .487 OPS vs LH starters.

  688. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Thanks for that Miranda HR needed that with Joba back out there

    Extra bonus to get it off Shields as well.

  689. Carl July 21st, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    # Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    Carl,

    My apologies. The way you worded it made it seem like you were attacking me. I didn’t see you address anybody in particular and you also copied and pasted my quote making you think you were talking to me directly.

    All good. It wouldn’t be a problem if we had threaded post.

  690. Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Face, just a little over the top, even for you….I’ve come to understand your cutting edge sense of humor, but really

  691. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    See Miranda and Granderson know that Joba still has to pitch another inning….The Yanks have to score this run at 3rd base….

  692. jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    squueze jk

  693. jrazz12 July 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    squeeze

  694. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Scott Shields used to be so dominant, before he was just overused to death.

  695. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Miranda and Granderson putting a sock in Matt’s incessant complaints about the hitting.

  696. pat July 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    I’d like to thank Kendrick’s parents for making him the height he is.

  697. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    Jerkface,

    Did you even a word of what was posted?

    Record when trailing after 6 innings:

    2009- 16-52 (.235 winning PCT)
    2010: 6-25 (.194 winning PCT)

    They are on pace to lose nearly the same number of games in that situation in fewer chances. Again, what are you talking about? The pitching has been better so they aren’t trailing as often, but when they are they are struggling more to salvage the game.

    The bullpen has also blown 5 more games when trailing after 6 than all of last season, so they are “on pace” for nearly 5 times as many blown leads in that situation.

    As much as you like to think this team is invincible, they are deficient in some areas still, and hopefully Pettitte’s injury won’t serve to expose them too much.

  698. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    7-8-9 hitters taking over the game…this is why baseball is inexplicable

  699. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Face, just a little over the top, even for you….I’ve come to understand your cutting edge sense of humor, but really

    Maybe you don’t understand the extent of CR9′s psychosis.

  700. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    3 run lead should be enough Joba-buffer. Unless he gets unlucky – again.

  701. jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    ah gardner, just did something stupid, who plays lf, hurts the defense

  702. JM July 21st, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Busy at work so just checking the blog….Yikes!

    Would really like to see Curtis get hot…..

  703. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    what happend with Bret???

  704. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    vblade – i know you think you’re being funny, it’s not working.

  705. jrazz12 July 21st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    make it back to back girardi

  706. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Ump with a REALLY short fuse….These umps are dreadful. They act like cops. They blow calls and then you aren’t allowed to say one word back to them. What babies….

  707. Nick in SF July 21st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    “so everything youve said in the last 15 minutes months is rubbish.”

    Fixed!

  708. Patrick July 21st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    CR9 we both know you are impersonating me on twitter so stop playing the victim. I honestly don’t care what name you use, I just wanted to make sure you know how utterly pathetic you are.

    Anyways back to topics that actually matter.. The yanks pitching today has been hanging on by a thread, they’ve already allowed 15 baserunners!

    Another note, we’ve just gotten through the first rotation of our starting pitchers since the all-star break. 5 starts, 4 of them bad, 2 injuries, 1 guy added to the DL. Despite all that the team is likely to go 3-2.

    Just shows you that this is a great team..

  709. 57ryank July 21st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Well, I must say Miranda helped finally today, but I hope he’s gone by deadline and never returns. I would rather see Colin Curtis as DH than him. Not a lot of power, but a better hitter.

    A real DH like Yanks have had in past would be nice and please no Ben Sheets !!!

  710. miggs July 21st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    How could he throw Gardner out for that?

    This same idiot threw out Girardi yesterday, but Girardi deserved it.

  711. Disco July 21st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    So is Paul Emmel gonna be fined?

  712. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    I forgot Collin Curtis was even still on the team…

  713. RalphieD July 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    how does gardner get thrown out there? these umpires must get paid by the ejection…

  714. jrazz12 July 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    for the record, the angels announcers out here are just as annoying as the players and fans

  715. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    57ryank – colin curtis is a better hitter than juan miranda? holy crap, someone better go tell him lol…

  716. miggs July 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Patrick how could another poster impersonate you on twitter?

    Does CR9 know your last name? Your login?

    I just don’t get it.

  717. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Oneill is the wrong guy to have in the booth if we are looking for anyone to defend the umpires. That said, unless Gardner said something really over the top, the ejection was really uncalled for.

  718. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Jerkface,

    I don’t understand the stat completely? Really?

    2010- 6-25 (.194 winning PCT)
    2009- 16-52 (.235 winning PCT)

    Someone needs a math lesson. They are on pace to lose the same number of games… in fewer chances. Again, what is your point with regards to what I posted?

  719. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Gardner obvioulsy knew that Shields can’t throw a strike to Curtis so he got himself tossed.

  720. RS July 21st, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Curtis!! Take that ump!

  721. 57ryank July 21st, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    SEE !!!

  722. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    COLIN F*****N CURTIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  723. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Thank you ump for throwing out Gardner….

  724. theREALkevin July 21st, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA THAT UMP

    HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

    I LOVE IT

  725. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Take that SCUMPIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  726. Bret The Hitman July 21st, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    WWWWOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW

    AWESOME

  727. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    haha. wow.

  728. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    vblade – i know you think you’re being funny, it’s not working.

    ———————-

    Maybe it’s because my Joking BABIP is too high.

  729. pat July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    0-2 counts don’t bother Colin!

  730. blake July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    take that umpires.

  731. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Bwahaha! FU ump!

  732. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Alright Colin!

    I don’t get baseball. He comes in 0-2, works the count full, and drills a bomb.

  733. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Get that ball back to Colin! He has a big league bomb!

  734. jrazz12 July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    great inning

  735. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Man you knowed he was going Yard

    haha!

  736. BJK July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    It was all a part of Gardner’s grand plan.

  737. PaulyDaGoat July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Gardner is a genius!!!!!

  738. theREALkevin July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    WHAT AN AWESOME AT BAT

    BEST YANKEE AB OF THE YEAR

  739. 57ryank July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    57ryank – colin curtis is a better hitter than juan miranda? holy crap, someone better go tell him lol…
    ============================

    Say what ?

  740. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Brilliant comments guys.

    We all know that one at bat completely erases everything he’s ever done besides that. That is one of the few at bats this season in which he’s actually made a pitcher pay for a meatball when he’s gotten one.

    We all know Miranda has a ton of power from what he’s done in AAA, but he hasn’t adjusted to major league pitching and he’s been a ton more inconsistent as a result. One home run and then nothing in the other 30 at bats around it is exactly what my point is, you didn’t “show me” or anything, it just solidifies what I’ve been saying all along.

  741. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Thanks for the Joba-proofing!

  742. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    that’s pretty awesome. I like the big grin on his face. good stuff.

  743. Yank 97 July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    GRANDY with a 3-R HR!!

  744. jesusmonterofordh July 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    curtis well deserve curtain call

  745. m July 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Way to go, Colin!

  746. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    GAME OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  747. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    vblade – that was better :p

  748. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Good take that Scott Shields you wanker

    Get out of Yankees Stadium Angels

    See Ya next season.

  749. Fran the original July 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Brilliant move by Gardner getting thrown out :)

  750. GreenBeret7 July 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    There’s a method to Gorardi’s madness. He knew that Curtis had a home run bat handy and told Gardner to get thrown out to score 3 more runs. That was a typical Casey Stengel play, there.

  751. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Is a 5 run lead enough to protect “gas can” Chamberlain?

  752. jrazz12 July 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    and on cue, the angels announcers shut up

  753. theREALkevin July 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    EVERYONE HATES YOU MATT

  754. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    GRANDY with a 3-R HR!

    ————————

    haha, not exactly.

  755. Northy July 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    :D
    The most surprising PH HR ever

  756. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Wow, Curtis didn’t have a home run all season in AAA even, but he sure got a hold of that one. With the way he’s hit so many balls hard so far this year, it was only a matter of time before he got one out. Cudos to him.

  757. vtyankeefan July 21st, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    pinch hit home run on an 0-2 count…incredible!!!

  758. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    One home run and then nothing in the other 30 at bats around it is exactly what my point is, you didn’t “show me” or anything, it just solidifies what I’ve been saying all along.

    A classic argument gambit, in which evidence against your position actually supports it!
    Silly.

  759. 57ryank July 21st, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    In all honesty, Colin looks like a better hitter at this level than Miranda. The players have talked about how they love his swing.

  760. Meppie Amsterdam July 21st, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    This is pretty awesome, anyone know if it has ever happened before?

  761. Bill D July 21st, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    “GRANDY with a 3-R HR!!”

    You playing a video game?

  762. Web July 21st, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    That was too funny. Way to go Curtis.

  763. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    vblade – that was better :p

    ——————————–

    I’ll be here until 5 PM for more FIP/BABIP jokes!

    Joba would be REALLY unlucky if he gives up a game-tying 5-R HR. In that case, I’ll fully endorse these luck metrics.

  764. Pat M. July 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Colin has a real sweet swing….

  765. theREALkevin July 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    well i’m out, forgot this was a day game today, at least i caught some of it.

    if they hold on, solid win, overcame some adversity, hopefully some momentum to sweep the lowly royals….

    go yanks

  766. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Curtis seems to have the tools to be a regular, and a decent batting eye. But he’s never really produced in the minors. Be really nice if he could carve out a career for the Yankees.

  767. stuckey99 July 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    So Colin Curtis showed up the umpire?

    Didn’t realize the umpire had a rooting interest in the remainder of that AB.

    Some of you folks just don’t think good.

  768. IIOIIOIIO July 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    speaking of curtis, anyone remember curtis pride? That was another wild story

  769. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    # mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    7-8-9 hitters taking over the game…this is why baseball is inexplicable
    REPOST
    ++++++++++++++++++++
    Must be reiterated.

  770. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    In all honesty, Colin looks like a better hitter at this level than Miranda. The players have talked about how they love his swing.

    .231 .286 .346 .632

    Its because he is white right?

  771. m July 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Tampa won.

    What’s with blaming everything on CR9? Do you guys have proof of the stuff you’re accusing him of? If so, pursue charges. Otherwise you just look stupid “trying” to smear someone online.

  772. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Too bad Colin is a lefty he would get in the lineup a lot more if he was a righty. He could platoon with Granderson. He probably should be in the minors since he will never get into this lineup. I like his swing a lot.

  773. Apple byte July 21st, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Go figure. Now Chamberlain has a 5-run cushion to work with. Can he protect it ?

  774. Yank 97 July 21st, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    mick

    are you enjoying the new sewer so far?

  775. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    # TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Is a 5 run lead enough to protect “gas can” Chamberlain?

    ——————-

    It better be.

  776. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    Silly? That was his first home run in nearly 40 major league at bats. One home run does not erase the pile of mediocre at bats he had before that unless he backs it up with more consistent performance, which so far this season he hasn’t shown he can do.

    It wasn’t “evidence against my point,” it wasn’t even evidence at all considering it was just one hit. The only reason you are even criticizing what I’m saying is that I’m saying it, and everyone knows it, which is why nobody takes what you are saying seriously.

  777. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    matt – so lets get this straight… for our sake, clearly.

    2009 – 16-52
    2010 – 6-25
    2010 projected finish – 11-48 (adjusted for # of games left)

    So you’re telling me that this team’s offense is awful because it’s not going to “come back” in those 5 games? How many more games have we not had to come back in this year, compared to last year? I bet its more than 5…

  778. Erica in NY July 21st, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Can someone give me a recap of what just happened?

    I am a little trapped at work

  779. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    What’s with blaming everything on CR9? Do you guys have proof of the stuff you’re accusing him of?

    He has already admitted to impostering people and setting up fake emails purely to troll a fantasy sports league and Erica, if you knew half the other stuff he is purported to have done off this board you’d run very far away.

  780. One With The Pinstripes in Colorado Since 61 July 21st, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    3-run HR as a PH with an 0-2 count and curtain call on your first ML HR…can’t make this stuff up.

  781. m July 21st, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Wow, people can’t even be happy for the kid.

  782. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Are 5 runs enough for Joba? Here comes the lead off single….

  783. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Get Mo up. Now.

  784. WMD July 21st, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Good start by Joba

  785. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Joba “Drama” Chamberlain ! come one Justin !

  786. pat July 21st, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    YankeesWFAN On hot days HP ump usually gets help from home dugout–towels, water, etc. Don’t think Yanks are eager to help Emmel…except maybe Curtis.

  787. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    It wasn’t “evidence against my point,” it wasn’t even evidence at all considering it was just one hit. The only reason you are even criticizing what I’m saying is that I’m saying it, and everyone knows it, which is why nobody takes what you are saying seriously.

    Ah the old argument gambit, reversing what people have said about YOU back on your arguers, “Yea no one takes YOU seriously.” Ha.

    Miranda has less than 80 major league AB’s, and now has 4 HRs, which which is 1 every 20 ABs, which is more than 75% of major league baseball players.

  788. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Well at least he’s throwing strikes. So far.

  789. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Irreverent Discourse,

    Their WINNING PERCENTAGE is lower in that situation. What do you not get?

    That means that adjusted for the number of chances, they are doing worse in the situation. How do you not understand this concept?

    They have fewer chances because the PITCHING has been better. But when the pitching hasn’t been as good, they have not picked them up at the same rate as last year. It’s amazing that you cannot comprehend such a simple and obvious point.

  790. LGY July 21st, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Wow!?

    Juan Miranda hasn’t adjusted to major league pitching after only 60 plate appearances this year?

    That has like never happened before.

  791. miggs July 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Jerkface are you really gonna pull out the race card for absolutely no reason?

    I usually like your posts but that’s just weak and unnecessary.

  792. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    who isn’t happy m?
    This new sewer is better than the old sewer.

  793. m July 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    The league that Patrick’s in? Did Patrick pursue the intrusion into his privacy through Chad?

  794. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    By the way Matt, kudos is spelled with a “K”

  795. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Memo to Joba: the fastball works. Keep using it please.

  796. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    matt – 1 home run in 40 at bats would put him at… he has 3 home runs in 72 at bats for his major league career. projected to a 550AB season, thats 23 home runs.

    does he need to hit more than that?

  797. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm
    Curtis seems to have the tools to be a regular, and a decent batting eye. But he’s never really produced in the minors. Be really nice if he could carve out a career for the Yankees.
    ————————

    Curtis had a huge Arizona Fall League I think last yearnafter he retooled his swing. He then had a huge spring training for the big club and kind of had a weird year at AAA as he was hurt early on. But he showed signs of driving the ball before he was called up. He’s a solid player.

  798. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm
    Curtis seems to have the tools to be a regular, and a decent batting eye. But he’s never really produced in the minors. Be really nice if he could carve out a career for the Yankees.
    ————————

    Curtis had a huge Arizona Fall League I think last yearnafter he retooled his swing. He then had a huge spring training for the big club and kind of had a weird year at AAA as he was hurt early on. But he showed signs of driving the ball before he was called up. He’s a solid player.

  799. pat July 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Erica
    Gardner ejected for arguing balls and strikes. Colin Curtis came in to replace him with an 0-2 count and hit a 3 run HR after working the count full.

  800. mick July 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    is joba gonna make mo come in for 4 outs?

  801. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    *facepalm*

  802. RS July 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Good thing we scored all those insurance runs!

  803. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    matt – i think the simple and obvious point eluded you an hour ago.

  804. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Maybe he just needs to go by Justin to become effective.

  805. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Joba– needs a fresh start somewhere else.

  806. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Miranda is hitting .194 with runners on so far this year .217 with RISP. All of the home runs have been solo shots, he hasn’t been that productive. Stop trying to argue for the sake of arguing, anyone who has watched this guy play knows that he has been disappointing given what he has done in the minors.

  807. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    I remember when I used to look forward to Joba entering a game. Now, not so much.

  808. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Do you bring Dejo here?? I bet Joe dont wnat to bring Mo for 5 outs!

  809. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    ID – Joba isn’t making you look good at all.

  810. Erica in NY July 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    m July 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    The league that Patrick?s in? Did Patrick pursue the intrusion into his privacy through Chad?
    ***********

    Patrick and I are in the same league

  811. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Whew thank goodness this game is Joba proofed

    This guy Chamberlain is an absolute mess

    Imagine if we hadn’t scored those runs, the lead would have been threatened here.

  812. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Jerkface are you really gonna pull out the race card for absolutely no reason?

    Everyone is dissing Miranda, who actually has a real good swing, and praising Curtis, who has performed WORSE in the majors and minors than Miranda. For what reason could that be?

    Probably not race! But maybe it is!

  813. Bronx Jeers July 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    The Former Mitre Now Joba Death Watch is officially in play today.

    A hit to Hunter could put him over the limit.

  814. Apple byte July 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    No last inning heroics from the Orioles. Rays win, 5-4.

  815. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Joba kindly trying to set up a save situation for Mo.

  816. JM July 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Girardi must have given Colin the three-run homerun sign.

  817. Don Vito A. Bellamo July 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Silver lining is that Joba LOSES any “hold” he has on the 8th inning ONCE AND FOR ALL….Man, this kid has continued to NOT impress all year ! :-(

  818. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Sorry, the one off of Shields had one guy on, but he really has not been that productive with runners on base and has helped pitchers out by chasing a lot of pitches off the plate outside.

  819. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    matt – what’s amazing is that you think something like “come back wins” should be consistent from year to year.

  820. m July 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Thank goodness for Miranda’s HR. Hopefully, we won’t have to depend on Colin’s contributions.

  821. Erica in NY July 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    pat July 21st, 2010 at 3:58 pm
    Erica
    Gardner ejected for arguing balls and strikes. Colin Curtis came in to replace him with an 0-2 count and hit a 3 run HR after working the count full.
    ***********

    Nice!

  822. stuckey99 July 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    “He has already admitted to impostering people and setting up fake emails purely to troll a fantasy sports league and Erica, if you knew half the other stuff he is purported to have done off this board you’d run very far away.”

    Here’s another. The sudden influx of anti-sports officials-anti-any-and-all-things-Boston posters that seemingly come from nowhere and disappear without a trace just as fast tend to only show at times he’s posting from the cR9 account.

    One doesn’t need to be even half-smart to realize he has often posted under multiple ID’s, very often having complimentary conversation with himself.

  823. mick July 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Hunter got chumped.

  824. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    26 baserunners in 11 2/3 innings. Time to end the experiment.

  825. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Its batter to batter with Joba looking good and bad.

    You all know what I feel about him, but this is frustrating for me to even watch.

  826. Dan in Philly July 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    that’s what happens when joba hits the glove. all about control

  827. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Drama baby Drama! hahah

  828. MikeY July 21st, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Jobas ERA is near 6. Get Soria.

  829. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    2 K, a single and a double. A typical Joba inning.

    The K’s will keep his BABIP high, as well as the low HR total.

    Does that mean he’s pitching well? No. Does that mean it will normalize? Who knows.

  830. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    I’ve never impostered anybody.

    I made a prank involving buying players, as I’m not even in the fantasy league.

  831. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Miranda is hitting .194 with runners on so far this year .217 with RISP. All of the home runs have been solo shots, he hasn’t been that productive. Stop trying to argue for the sake of arguing, anyone who has watched this guy play knows that he has been disappointing given what he has done in the minors.

    Ah, another good ole argument trick, accusing your opponent of not arguing in good faith. Classic, Matt!

    Sorry but small sample size. Your points have no merit. At one point Jeter had an entire season of hitting below his career averages/bases empty line with RISP.

  832. 57ryank July 21st, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    You’re a complete idiot ! Show us Miranda’s .226 avg. in TWICE the AB’s.
    ————————————————————————————————–

    In all honesty, Colin looks like a better hitter at this level than Miranda. The players have talked about how they love his swing.

    .231 .286 .346 .632

    Its because he is white right?

  833. WMD July 21st, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    In the world of lower expectation, if Joba only gives up one run he is considered to have had a greater outing.

  834. m July 21st, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Erica,

    I’m sorry that someone is harrassing you.

  835. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 21st, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Something needs to be done about these umps.

  836. pat July 21st, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Matt

    You need to work on not sweating the small stuff.

  837. Captain Clutch July 21st, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Honestly I kind of feel bad for Joba. It seems the Yanks are asking him to do a job that he simply can’t do anymore. Whether it’s ability, stuff who knows but how can someone pitch the 8th inning when balls continue to be tattooed off of him?!

  838. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    He only gave up a run, there is improvement!

  839. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    “# Laura – I Bleed Blue July 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    I remember when I used to look forward to Joba entering a game. Now, not so much.
    nd gives up runs.”

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    Those were the days when he wasn’t a Fat Toad on the mound.

    Are the Yankees going to have to Joba proof every game to be sure they get the win late on. Wow

  840. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    vblade – joba’s performance has no bearing on me at all. you continue to think that his slash line is somehow detached from the FIP/BABIP numbers. they are all statistical facts of the game, not something made up. you can’t correlate multiple data sources and draw conclusions from them. that’s not making you look good at all.

  841. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Picking apart one misspelling in a post on an internet blog that I’m clearly not wasting my time proofreading to attempt to discredit everything I wrote.

    What a brilliant tactic. Such a trove of baseball knowledge to draw from.

  842. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Miranda has a ‘sweet lefty swing,’ but it’s longer and loopier than Curtis’s. Miranda’s a classic mistake hitter with a chance to get better. Curtis is sort of an unknown entity at this point.

  843. SJ44 July 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    The venue isn’t Joba’s problem.

    He’s just a very inconsistent pitcher.

    He would be the same in any other location as long as he is unable to repeat his delivery from pitch to pitch. Which has been the case all year.

    You just have to score enough runs to Joba-proof his outings at this point.

    Especially since everybody else in the pen is as inconsistent as he is.

  844. stuckey99 July 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    “Imagine if we hadn’t scored those runs, the lead would have been threatened here.”

    “Good thing we scored all those insurance runs!”

    May I just say I’m so glad registration didn’t negatively impact the contribution of cutting edge, breathtaking analysis such as this…

  845. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Teixeira is really on fire!

  846. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    vblade – the k’s have absolutely no bearing on his BABIP, why do you keep saying that?

  847. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Tex just misses one.

  848. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    You’re a complete idiot ! Show us Miranda’s .226 avg. in TWICE the AB’s.

    Colin Curtis Minors

    .265 .336 .374 .710

    Juan Miranda Minors

    .281 .368 .478 .846

    And according to Matt we should be able to tell what kind of hitter Colin Curtis is from only 30 ABs :)

  849. MikeY July 21st, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    One homer shouldn’t make Miranda the DH. Bring Montero up

  850. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Also, Curtis is an outfielder. Miranda’s a 1st base/DH.

  851. Erica in NY July 21st, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    m July 21st, 2010 at 4:02 pm
    Erica,

    I?m sorry that someone is harrassing you.
    **************

    In the interest of full honesty, no one has harrassed me since the initial prank.

    However, other bloggers have not been so lucky.

    This is the last I will speak of this here

  852. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    It seems I’m not the only one here who can see flaws in Miranda’s swing/approach that suggest he isn’t going to be as productive as people expect.

    If you keep making excuses like small sample sizes, you’ll be waiting for the whole season for this guy to show he can hit consistently at this level.

    Unless you have the unbelievable contact ability of a guy like Cano or Jeter, you aren’t going to put up consistent numbers when you don’t have the plate discipline.

  853. BJK July 21st, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    SJ44 July 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    The venue isn’t Joba’s problem.

    He’s just a very inconsistent pitcher.

    He would be the same in any other location as long as he is unable to repeat his delivery from pitch to pitch. Which has been the case all year.

    ————————————————————————————

    So shouldn’t he be working out his delivery consistency problems in AAA?

    If Rick Porcello can go down, why not Joba?

  854. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 21st, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Poor Alex. He’s done nothing today save for 1 RBI.

  855. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    vblade – joba’s performance has no bearing on me at all. you continue to think that his slash line is somehow detached from the FIP/BABIP numbers. they are all statistical facts of the game, not something made up. you can’t correlate multiple data sources and draw conclusions from them. that’s not making you look good at all.

    —————————————-

    BABIP is a statistical fact, yes. Is it indicative of future performance? Possibly.

    Would anyone be able to say with any definitiveness that the BABIP will start normalizing? What if because of his propensity for a high K and low HR rate, it remains the way it is?

    His H/9 is high. His BB/9 isn’t that good. Could it be he’s just a guy who can maintain a high BABIP and a terrible slash line for a full season?

  856. m July 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    I think that Miranda will be a better player at the ML level than Colin. Just my opinion. Nothing to do with slash lines.

  857. stuart a July 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    yea joba can’t do his job anymore after all he is 25 or so.

    at work not watching the game but sounds like quite a game.

    joba is like the rest of the pen except Mo inconsistent…..

  858. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    As annoying as Matt has been today, he pales in comparison to Betsy’s antics last night.

  859. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    “# Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    He only gave up a run, there is improvement!”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL, that won’t fly as a setup man, that would have cost us the lead on most night when Chamberlain is called upon.

    The offense managed to get the insurance runs in the prior inning or it would have been the same story with Chambelrlain.

    If nothing else its further proof he has no use in the 8th inning.

    Robertson is sketchy as well, but I would rather give him the opportunity

  860. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Unless you have the unbelievable contact ability of a guy like Cano or Jeter, you aren’t going to put up consistent numbers when you don’t have the plate discipline.

    Explain why Juan Miranda does not have plate discipline, he walks nearly 10% of the time. Only Tex, Gardner, A-rod, and Posada walk as much on the yankees. He has above average patience for the major leagues.

  861. m July 21st, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Lots of loud outs in that inning.

    Buccholz loaded the bases, but Kouzmanoff pulled a Jeter. 1st pitch out. :mad:

  862. SJ44 July 21st, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Get Soria sounds nice. Unfortunately, the cost to acquire him may be excessive since the Royals have no reason to trade him unless they get a kings ransom in return.

    You don’t pay a kings ransom to acquire a setup guy who doesn’t want to be a setup guy.

  863. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    I also forgot: Another classic argument trick, “Well other people are on my side!” (regardless of their expertise or facts). Classic Matt!

  864. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Very funny Jerkface.

    30 at bats is not enough to judge his STATISTICS, but I’m not judging his statistics.

    The league has already adjusted to his approach in less than 50 at bats in the major leagues. All he gets is a steady diet of offspeed pitches down and away unless they are forced to come in there with the fastball, such as in pitchers’ counts with runners on base.

    It’s up to Miranda to adjust back, but so far he hasn’t shown that he can recognize those pitches enough to lay off of them. Unless he has an epiphany like Cano has in recent years, he’s going to continue putting up these kinds of inconsistent numbers.

  865. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    MikeY July 21st, 2010 at 4:05 pm
    One homer shouldn’t make Miranda the DH. Bring Montero up
    —————————

    I don’t understand why people want Montero to be brought up. These are the same people who say trade him since he can’t stick at catcher. Well how is he going to improve his catching when he’s only DHing? Yes, he is really hitting well right now in AAA but the Yanks will keep him down there until August so he can catch as many games as possible. Everybody knows that Montero’s bat is great. But he has to keep improving his defense. If he stays at catcher, he will have tremendous value while as a 1B/DH he will still be good but not nearly as valuable.

  866. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Are you serious Jerkface? Have you watched the at bats of Miranda?

    How many times has he grounded out to second base trying to pull off a pitch down and away off the plate?

    Why would a pitcher ever throw him a fastball out over the plate unless they were in a situation in which they had to throw a strike?

  867. mick July 21st, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    As annoying as Matt has been today, he pales in comparison to Betsy’s antics last night.
    ================
    Betsy is annoying?
    Careful what you say, she is lurking…

  868. Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    When the game thread becomes more fixated on one poster *proving* another wrong rather than the game, maybe we should step back a bit. Mo’s in, with a 4-run lead.

  869. JM July 21st, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Montero is only 20 years old. He needs more time in AAA. He’s not on the 40-man, is he?

  870. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    vblade – the k’s have absolutely no bearing on his BABIP, why do you keep saying that?

    ————————-

    Because from what I know:

    BABIP = (Hits-HR)/(AB-K-HR+SF)

    If I get this correctly – the more K he has, BABIP goes up (denominator is smaller). The more hits he gives up, BABIP goes up (numerator bigger). So theoretically he can keep it high as long as he keeps the K rate high.

    Correct me if I misunderstand.

  871. mick July 21st, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Mo restores sanity, now that guy has character!

  872. stuckey99 July 21st, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Today’s game as been the perfect LoHoud Yankee game.

    Yanks are going to win, it won’t be close. They’ll maintain their lead as most the division leader and postseason qualifier, but it got close enough, and the right negatives things happened in just the right quantities for the whiners and criers to do what they love to do more than anything.

    Typical…

  873. Jerkface July 21st, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Juan Miranda has a 36% ground ball rate. So probably doesn’t pull the outside pitch that often!

  874. Tyler July 21st, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    mick July 21st, 2010 at 4:11 pm
    As annoying as Matt has been today, he pales in comparison to Betsy’s antics last night.
    ================
    Betsy is annoying?
    Careful what you say, she is lurking…
    ————————

    I thought Betsy left the blog? I know she said she was Monday night…. Maybe it’s not really her?

  875. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    vblade – .391 is really… really high…like austin jackson high :p i think the league average is like .302, i can’t find it right now i’m pretending to do work. the thought is that all players stats will naturally regress (or progress, depending on which side you are on) to the league average over time. obviously that is still determined by the games being played, so it could go down… or it could not. what you would not expect however is for it to remain where it is over the course of a whole season(or the league average would be higher, i guess, as a result).

    by itself, it’s not indicative of future performance at all. when taken into account with all of the other numbers that you love, it can be. it is a tool, a means to an end, a way of explaining and breaking down a different aspect of the game… not an answer.

  876. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    “# Chris W July 21st, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    When the game thread becomes more fixated on one poster *proving* another wrong rather than the game, maybe we should step back a bit. Mo’s in, with a 4-run lead.”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    LOL, I have seen a conversation arguing about the value of Juan Miranda for the past hour or so it seems.

    ROFL

  877. Patrick July 21st, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    I can’t get into this right now because I’m very busy at the moment but I’ll talk about it later.

    We have fairly definitive proof that CR9 has done some very wacked out things.

    I am not smearing someone just for the sake of it. I’ll give details later.

  878. RS July 21st, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    How did Cano get in CF? lol

  879. SJ44 July 21st, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Montero isn’t ready to be called up. Thanks for playing.

    BJK,

    The problem with sending Joba to the minors is, despite being inconsistent, he needed more in NY.

    They don’t have anybody to fill his innings if he goes to AAA.

  880. mick July 21st, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    I thought Betsy left the blog? I know she said she was Monday night…. Maybe it’s not really her?
    ==================
    she always says that. she will be back, she always does.

  881. G-C July 21st, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    “His H/9 is high. His BB/9 isn’t that good. Could it be he’s just a guy who can maintain a high BABIP and a terrible slash line for a full season?”

    No one said that things have to normalize over the course of a fullseason.

    If he doesn’t start pitching better things may not normalize.

    Agreed, Irreverant.

  882. 57ryank July 21st, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Miranda’s avg. coming into today’s game is .226

  883. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Mo just keeps mowing em down…15 years and counting…

  884. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    vblade – .391 is really… really high…like austin jackson high :p i think the league average is like .302, i can’t find it right now i’m pretending to do work. the thought is that all players stats will naturally regress (or progress, depending on which side you are on) to the league average over time. obviously that is still determined by the games being played, so it could go down… or it could not. what you would not expect however is for it to remain where it is over the course of a whole season(or the league average would be higher, i guess, as a result).

    by itself, it’s not indicative of future performance at all. when taken into account with all of the other numbers that you love, it can be. it is a tool, a means to an end, a way of explaining and breaking down a different aspect of the game… not an answer.

    ———————-

    Looking at the formula, I can definitely see why it’s high.

    The question is, is he such a guy that he can keep it high – because of the way the statistic is constructed (the formula) is naturally high for a pitcher like Joba.

  885. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 4:15 pm

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    +++++++++++++++++++++++

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  886. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    People citing BABIP for Joba need to watch the kinds of hits he’s giving up.

    They are SMOKING the ball off of him. In fact, he’s getting more lucky than unlucky that a lot of those balls are hit right at guys.

    In that Toronto game a few weeks ago when he blew the 1-0 lead, how many outs were made at the warning track in front of those other hits? Exactly.

  887. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    stuckey

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    If I were in your position, I’d think it was me too. But they are not. I think there are people out there that do hate Boston, and I give them the confidence to speak their mind when people like you beat them down.

  888. Matt July 21st, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    He throws the ball down the middle and gives up very hard hit balls. It’s no surprise his numbers have been as bad as they are given how badly he’s pitched on the field.

  889. mick July 21st, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    In Mo I Trust.

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    The Yankees prevail and it’s just about warm enough to take off my parka!

    That’s a win-win, woo hoooooo!

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    Mo down !

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    I really don’t know what the Yankees are going to do when Mo retires. The thought of it really troubles me. :(

  894. BIG AL July 21st, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    One last thought to all the Joba lovers and defenders ………. If it were the 8th inning in game 7 of the WS, would you feel comfortable with Joba coming in, if the Yankees were either tied or up by 1?

    Now, seriously would you? Case closed!

    Is it “Bad Luck” Joba is pitching into today also? 1.1 innings, 3 Hits, 1 Run, 1 BB.

  895. TheStraw July 21st, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    I never get tired of seeing the game end that way.

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  897. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 4:16 pm

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    ++++++++++++++++++++++

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    Mo’s ERA is back under 1.00. He is not human.

    Credit to the Yankees for fending off the Angels comeback. The bullpen made it interesting, but ultimately they pitched 4 innings of 1-run ball. Nice outing for Logan.

    They split the season series with the accursed Angels. I’ll take it.

  899. vblade July 21st, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Matt July 21st, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    People citing BABIP for Joba need to watch the kinds of hits he’s giving up.

    ——————

    It’s not just that. I think the high BABIP is a product of the formula behind it and not necessarily anything Joba is or isn’t doing.

    He’s a pitcher with a really high K rate and a really high H rate. Those two things alone can keep BABIP well above normal, because of the construction of the mathematical formula.

  900. Keith--FL July 21st, 2010 at 4:17 pm

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    One last thought to all the Joba lovers and defenders ………. If it were the 8th inning in game 7 of
    =================
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  903. Macfan July 21st, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    “# mick July 21st, 2010 at 4:18 pm

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    +++++++++++++++++++

    That’s the caveat, that Hughes might be in the bullpen in all likelihood in the playoffs.

  904. Perlo July 21st, 2010 at 4:20 pm

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  905. Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    I cant belive that with Mo there, the guys in the bullpen cant learn…

  906. 57ryank July 21st, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Let’s hope we get a DH that can be productive by deadline and maybe some relief pitching.

    Little faith in Miranda and or Thames.

  907. Irreverent Discourse July 21st, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    vblade – subtracting strikeouts in the denominator is only eliminating those at bats(which are also counted in the denominator). as long as i haven’t gone crazy, that will not effect the outcome.

    the pitchers “skill” that is elicited in looking at BABIP is their ability to limit solid contact. obviously, joba is just not doing that at all right now :) when he locates better and batters stop swinging at “their” pitch, then their contact strength will go down and his BABIP along with it.

    as long as they smoke the ball, he’ll keep pitching like crap… unfortunately.

  908. 57ryank July 21st, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    # Andres from Peru July 21st, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    I cant belive that with Mo there, the guys in the bullpen cant learn…

    ———————————-

    A guy with Mo’s ability and class only come along every 20 years. !!!

  909. RS July 21st, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    “People citing BABIP for Joba need to watch the kinds of hits he’s giving up.”

    That is true. BABIP can’t be the same for every pitcher or hitter. Mariano Rivera, for instance, is probably going to have a lower than average BABIP because of his cutter. Yet no one dismisses him and says he’s “lucky”. Likewise, a hitter like Ichiro will always have a higher BABIP because of his speed. He’s not lucky, either. It’s skill.

  910. stuckey99 July 21st, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    “You’re so arrogant that because some posters don’t agree with your philosophies, they must be another identity of mine – CR9.”

    I’ve never accused anyone of having multiple ID’s because they’ve disagreed with me, or for any reason. I’ve only accused you because you post under multiple IDs.

    “But they are not. I think there are people out there that do hate Boston”

    You needn’t THINK there are, it’s an absolute certainly. But fewer of them also share zealotry against any and all sports officials.

    And even fewer of them happen to write with the nearly identical syntax you do.

    And even fewer of them would just so happen to begin showing up whenever you’re around and NEVER, every show up when you’re not.

    “and I give them the confidence to speak their mind when people like you beat them down.”

    Self-importance is a trait shared amongst people who post under multiple ID’s to espouse the same unpopular points.

    People of this mindset justify the behavior by convincing themselves they are giving voice to opinions of people that are afraid to speak up.

    Sound familiar.

    It’s not that your case it just obvious, it’s that it’s so textbook obvious.

    But hey, I’m nothing if not fair. Now with registration, it’s harder to posr under multiple IDs.

    So, for you folks that share CR9′s mindset… show yourselves.

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  913. CR9 July 21st, 2010 at 4:36 pm

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    Stuckey

    Really, it’s not. All it takes is to sign out of CR9, sign in under a new handle, sign out, and sign back in under CR9. Would take all of 3-5 minutes.

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