Postgame notes: The complete set
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Jul 21, 2010 
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This was not Javier Vazquez’s finest hour, but it was a win, and for the second time this season, Vazquez is better than a .500 pitcher. He’s 8-7, and it only seems fair that his offense had to pick him up for once.
“We’re happy to score for him because he’s had some games when he’s pitched outstanding and we haven’t scored for him,” Derek Jeter said. “And then people wonder why he hasn’t gotten so many wins.”
Vazquez has left games trailing 3-1, 2-0, 1-0 and 3-0. He lost all four of those games. He’s also left games leading 2-0 and 1-0 and got the win in only one of those. This time he pitched very well for four innings, but once he had a huge lead, the game seemed to get away from him.
“When you have that type of lead and you get into some longer counts, the one thing you’re trying to stay away from is walking people,” Joe Girardi said. “And that’s when you can get away from what you do in a sense and become a one- or two-pitch pitcher instead of a four-pitch pitcher.”
In the end, the Yankees bullpen — and home runs from Juan Miranda and Colin Curtis — let Vazquez escape with his first career win against the Angels. It made him the third active pitcher with a win against all 30 current major league teams. Barry Zito and Jamie Moyer are the others.
Here’s Girardi’s postgame audio.
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• Until today, Brett Gardner had never been ejected from a game in his life. “I’d rather not talk about it,” he said. “It’s over and done with.” Girardi didn’t say much more, but he said the decision to toss Gardner left him “scratching my head.”
• Much has been made of the Yankees need for supporting players at the trade deadline, but Miranda, Curtis and Francisco Cervelli came up pretty big today. “These kids can hit,” Girardi said. “Their playing time is not as consistent as it is necessarily in Triple-A, but we believe that these kids can impact the baseball.”
• Girardi had to go to his bullpen for four innings, but he said he’s not worried about tomorrow. “We’ll have plenty of arms,” he said.
• Speaking of the bullpen, Girardi was pretty happy with Joba Chamberlain. “He did what he had to do,” he said. Both Chamberlain and Dave Robertson allowed base runners but ultimately pitched out of a bases-loaded jam to preserve a one-run lead. Chamberlain later allowed a run in the eighth.
• Girardi seems to like Curtis, who is 4-for-8 with six RBI as a pinch hitter. “Not having a lot of at-bats and seeing a lot of pitches over the last two weeks, it’s an amazing at-bat,” Girardi said. “The one thing he has shown, not only can he get hits in pinch-hit situations, but he can put long at-bats on people. And that’s what he’s done. When you make a mistake, he puts a good swing on it.”
• Gardner on Curtis: “I was up there trying to get a guy in from third. He went up there and hit a three-run homer.”
• Curtis got his first home run ball from the fan who caught it. The price was two autographed baseballs, one from Jeter and one from Rodriguez. “I remember when I hit my first home run I didn’t get the ball, so I’m happy he got it,” Jeter said.
• This was Robinson Cano’s third career game with two intentional walks. It hadn’t happened since 2007.
• Mark Teixeira has now reached base in 37 straight games, Nick Swisher has scored in seven straight and the Yankees have hit a home run in eight straight.
Associated Press photos
Vazquez was off today, at least after the 4th inning, but he looked good early. We’ll need him to continue piching well as he’s done since May now that Pettitte is out for a few weeks.
Javy hasn’t pitched in 11 days so we’ll see how he does next time out.
Montero with 2 hits tonight is on fire.
# mick July 21st, 2010 at 8:32 pm
I don’t understand why people get so uptight about fans criticizing different players. It is all done in the love for the team. We, as Yankee fans, are ingrained with success. We expect it and anything else falls short. I don’t know one long-time Yankee fan who doesn’t feel that way. They die a little every game esp. if they lose, no matter how you play it off, so do you, if you are a die-hard Yankee fan. Let other fans sit passively as their teams lose and even grow to “enjoy” the losing, a true Yankee fan can’t and won’t.
“Montero with 2 hits tonight is on fire.”
How “hot” is he, you ask ?
Hotter than the surface of the Sun. That’s how hot.
When Cliff Lee if pitching on the Yankees next year and they still have Montero, the Yankees will be happy the Mariners backed out of the deal.
The Yankees will have both of them on next year’s 25 man roster.
Call up Montero some time in August instead of trading for a bat.
ralph houk died today.
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Very sad?Manager of the great ?61 Yankee Team???More than that, he enlisted in the Armed Forces in WWII, became an Army Ranger, and received a battlefield commission, rising in rank from Private to Major. He was a combat veteran of Bastogne and the Battle of the Bulge, and was awarded the Silver Star, Purple Heart and Bronze Star??..Tommy Lasorda called him the best handler of men he ever saw, and tried to model Houk as a Manager………Also, Houk was a member of the Kansas HoF……..bad times for the Yankees??Taps again?..Well Done, and RIP, RH.
Rich-
Maybe you or someone else could enlighten me on something.
What would be the practical consequences of putting Jesus on the 40 man now ?
Does it start an arbitration clock or something like that ?
What else happens as a result ?
Good job by Jeter and Arod with the signed balls.
I think a big part of being a ML manager is being a combo psycologist and cheer leader. I think Joe is trying to buck up his young bench players, showing them he has faith in them. They ARE his bench. And I can only imagine how intimidating it is to be there with guys they’ve read about for years – Jeter, ARod, Tex, Posada….CC, Andy Pettitte, Mo…. Joe has to give them the confidence to believe that they belong. And, so far, he’s succeeded.
I think, despite Joba being all over the place with his delivery, Joba needs some reassurance. As has been pointed out, there’s currently nobody around who’s replacing him anytime soon, Joe has to get the most out of him.
And, I think Joe really likes young Mr. Curtis. So far, all the kid has done is deliver the goods.
Montero with 3 hits now
Montero 3 for 3
Damn, another hit for Montero. He’s 3 for 3.
“I don’t understand why people get so uptight about fans criticizing different players.”
Why not try criticizing the play instead of the player. Reading that someones curve isn’t biting or he has no fastball command is much more palatable than he sucks, he’s garbage.
“We, as Yankee fans, are ingrained with success. We expect it and anything else falls short. I don’t know one long-time Yankee fan who doesn’t feel that way. They die a little every game esp. if they lose”
You either weren’t a fan in the late 80′s- early 90′s or you have died a slow death with every loss and are re-incarnated.
ralph houk died today.
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Very sad?Manager of the great ?61 Yankee Team???More than that, he enlisted in the Armed Forces in WWII, became an Army Ranger, and received a battlefield commission, rising in rank from Private to Major. He was a combat veteran of Bastogne and the Battle of the Bulge, and was awarded the Silver Star, Purple Heart and Bronze Star??..Tommy Lasorda called him the best handler of men he ever saw, and tried to model Houk as a Manager???Also, Houk was a member of the Kansas HoF??..bad times for the Yankees??Taps again?..Well Done, and RIP, RH.
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Meant to add……Deaths do seem to come in 3s….Hope this it for the Yankee Family for a long, long while………I worry about Yogi and Whitey………
mick -
No one enjoys losing.
I think what happens is people process games in a way that’s reflective of their basic personalities and how they handle life experiences in general.
It does not good to judge each other in that way.
But I will admit that since the team is a winning team, based on the fact that they have the most wins in the majors and are in first place, I do scratch my head that some people wouldn’t be satisfied unless they won every single game.
I could understand all the angst if they weren’t in the position they’re in. Baseball is a “testing” game. It’s played over 5-plus months. You have to withstand injuries and slumps and losing streaks. And whoever withstands the best wins the championship. It’s more like the Tour de France than the Superbowl.
And, I think Joe really likes young Mr. Curtis. So far, all the kid has done is deliver the goods.
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Pressure doesn’t seem to faze this kid.
Look at his face in the last thread.
Houk was wounded in the calf at Willbillig, Germany during the battle, had the injury bandaged and returned immediately to combat.
“One day in the middle of the battle I sent Ralph out in a jeep to do some scouting of enemy troops,” said Fiore. “After being out two nights we listed him as ‘missing in action.’
“When he turned up he had a three-day growth of beard and hand grenades hanging all over him. He was back of the enemy lines the entire time. I know he must have enjoyed himself. He had a hole in one side of his helmet, and a hole in the other where the bullet left. When I told him about his helmet he said ‘I could have swore I heard a ricochet.’ We marked him ‘absent without leave’ but were glad to have him back alive.”
Copyright © 2008 Gary Bedingfield (Baseball in Wartime). All Rights Reserved
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Now I remember why he was traded for garbage.
Ralph Houk was the manager when I started following the team at the age of 11, in 1966 (when he came back to replace Johnny Keane after a 4-16 start). I remember that the announcers always called him “the Major,” and talked a lot about his war record, and his leadership. and how strong he was. To me, he was larger than life, but, then again, so were all the players to me back then.
Wasn’t he Berra’s backup catcher in the early ’50′s?
RIP
“The price was two autographed baseballs, one from Jeter and one from Rodriguez.”
I guess Marcus Thames wasn’t available.
That’s the ball to have.
Damn, another hit for Montero. He’s 3 for 3.
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Still think we can’t make room on the 40 by dumping a Park or Gaudin for this kid?
MTU
I could be wrong, but I thought a player needs three seasons in MLB for arbitration eligibility to kick in, unless he becomes a Super Two.
Very cold of the fan not to ask for a Colin Curtis signed ball too since he hit the one they caught.
Call up Montero!
stuckey
I have generally shown respect to most posters on here. But if you feel the need to not respond with respect, then that is your right.
I don’t really care what Gammons has to say any longer, or anyone in the media for that matter. I don’t pay attention any longer to the media. I went to find the article that G. Love was speaking of and linked it.
And in that paragraph, there was no need to mention Daniel Nava at all. What he is saying in that paragraph by mentioning Nava is that Nava has a chance to be successful like one of those other players. That’s the comparison.
Aside from YES Network (the home team) comparing the swing of Cano to Carew, any links to anyone else?
Let me say this.
It is a real effing tribute to Cliff Lee to have had a player like Montero offered for him.
Fortunately for us Jack Z didn’t accept.
Thanks Jack. We really appreciate it.
Girardi was pretty happy with Joba Chamberlain. “He did what he had to do,” he said.
1.1 IP, 1 ER, 3 H, 1 BB, 4 of 8 batters reached base.
I guess we should be happy too since he didn’t implode and cough up the game. It’s good that Girardi is managing our expectation.
You either weren’t a fan in the late 80’s- early 90’s or you have died a slow death with every loss and are re-incarnated.
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That statement makes absolutely no sense.
Montero needed time to adjust.
“ralph houk died today.”
RIP, but he was almost 91, so unless there was some unnatural cause of death, he had a pretty good run.
Testing…testing 1, 2, 3…
i was afraid that when it was reported that Yogi fell last week. He would be next. Usually when a person his age falls. It doesn’t turn out well.
# mick July 21st, 2010 at 8:49 pm
Still think we can’t make room on the 40 by dumping a Park or Gaudin for this kid?
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Are you serious? Do you really think my opinion is going to change from two hours ago?
I didn’t single out any individual player. You did.
And the Yanks need all the bullpen arms they can get right now, especially with Pettitte out and the rotation enduring a rough patch.
Rich-
Some people have expressed concerns about putting Montero on the 40 man prematurely implying that there is a “right” time to do it.
I also thought that I heard it may cause other valuable minor league players to be needlessly exposed to the rule 5 draft.
Other than things like that I was just wondering what some of the other potential downsides to doing it might be ?
Montero is certainly making his presence felt.
I could understand all the angst if they weren’t in the position they’re in. Baseball is a “testing” game. It’s played over 5-plus months. You have to withstand injuries and slumps and losing streaks. And whoever withstands the best wins the championship. It’s more like the Tour de France than the Superbowl.
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Doreen
Baseball games and seasons are a process. Each inning , each AB is a microcosm of the game and the season. Just because they are in 1st place doesn’t mean we , as fans, have to be complacent. Where do you draw the line? 2nd place is ok to complain? It is a marathon but the minute you let down is when it could snowball. Sure, a good fan looks at the big picture but every picture tells a story, don’t it?, as the great Rod Stewart would sing.
stuckey
Also, I do not want your respect, as having your respect would be an insult to me. Please do not bestow the “honor” of your respect upon me.
mick
You said long time Yankee fans die a little everytime they lose.
From 1989-1992, the Yankees lost an average of 90 games per season- can you imagine if there were blogs then!
If you died a little with everyone of those losses, you’d be dead.
Therefore you either weren’t a fan then or you’ve come back to life.
GF
And the Yanks need all the bullpen arms they can get right now, especially with Pettitte out and the rotation enduring a rough patch.
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Do you really feel that every guy on the 40 man will be there at season end?
No trades? No moves?
Relax!
MTU-
Once a player is put on the 40 man the team has to use options to send him down. 1 option lasts all season, and each player usually gets 3. I don’t think the arbiration clock starts until they make the show.
“I don’t understand why people get so uptight about fans criticizing different players.”
“We, as Yankee fans, are ingrained with success. We expect it and anything else falls short.”
This actually well illustrates the point.
You speak of Yankee fans as a tribe with a common, virtuous culture, and yet you speak of players as if they don’t belong to the same tribe.
You DON’T understand criticism of fans, but defend it of players.
You describe the relationship almost as adversarial, as if it was the players often keeping you from what is rightfully yours.
I (fairly) get called pompous all the time, but in truth, this sort of pompous arrogance is much, much worse.
This sense of entitlement is rooted in the assumption that the players don’t share this same passion and desire for excellence. That if they don’t perform, they are aren’t trying hard enough, or don’t care enough.. or worse, if their mere lack of talent should be used as an excuse to scorn and ridicule them.
I’m reminded of people of means I’ve witnessed doing things like complaining when they can’t get a table in the right part of the restaurant. Because, often through no accomplishment of their own, as “used” to a certain level of service or performance, they use it as a excuse to complain about and ridicule those who don’t provide it for them.
There is no appreciation for what they have and usually enjoy because they think they’re somehow owed what they’re used to.
The lack of empathy is astounding.
I say this AS a fan. I have accomplished nothing. The players and the organization everything.
They don’t you or me anything and what you “expect” is meaningless.
Again, I’m fine with taking a loss hard and I’m fine with reasoned, constructive criticism.
It’s when it gets personal and non-ending is when it’s a problem.
” I don’t know one long-time Yankee fan who doesn’t feel that way. ”
Now you do.
If you somehow feel self-entitled to without the “die-hard” designation from me, well, then you’ve just proven my point for me.
Montero still has to learn his position, having him to dh only is going to mess up his development
If you died a little with everyone of those losses, you’d be dead.
Therefore you either weren’t a fan then or you’ve come back to life.
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We were numb during that period. We didn’t expect to win, and it was longer than 89-92.
It started in 65 thru 75 and again in 82-95, that’s almost 25 years of losing, it was an adjustment.
Whatever. This is going nowhere.
mick,
I need to relax? I don’t come in here to whine everyday.
I’m as patient with this team as anyone on this board. Kind of like stuckey, I guess.
mick -
It IS a process.
No problem looking at the parts of the process. But I think sometimes people lose sight of the fact that this is GENERALLY a good team. Do they have issues? Absolutely! Are they even close to “perfect?” Not on your life.
But what I find remarkable is that in spite of all the issues they have, and they do have some important issues, we find them in first place with the best record in baseball. And that leaves me feeling good.
So far, they are winning the endurance race. On a day like today, for instance, I prefer to focus on Colin Curtis’ first ML homerun, and not the fact that Javy had to depend on run support.
And I also see the symmetry of baseball. Last night Phil Hughes, who often gets a lot of run support got none and he lost a game; today, Javy Vazquez, who NEVER gets run support, finally gets it at a time when he needs it and he gets the win. There’s a satisfaction in that.
If the Yankees were in 2nd place or 3rd place, perhaps these same things that I am able to gloss over would bother me, but you see, the fact that they are in 1st place takes the worry away for me.
But make no mistake, I don’t like when they lose.
MTU
Even assuming for the sake of argument that those are the costs of putting Montero on the 40 man for purposes of calling him up, one of the benefits is that they will save prospects by not trading them for a bat.
Donna L – I have the exact same memory. I was crushed when he left/was pushed out, and went to Detroit. Some interesting war stories, above. I’m sure he had some great Yankee stories, also. A real American hero.
is it trendy to attend a Strausberg start? thanks a lot ESPN
Demanding perfection,expecting perfection without comprimise is different than whining about the lack of it endlessly.
Possible downsides to adding Montero to the 40 man this season:
1 Exposes other potentially valuable minor leaguers to next year’s Rule 5 draft.
2 Necessitates the removal of someone who is already on.
3 May lead to the Yankees bringing Montero up to the bigs as a DH thereby short-circuiting his development as a Catcher.
4 Starts the “Option” clock (thanks Tom).
Any others ?
Rich-
Sorry. I didn’t see your post. All I am trying to do is to understand the issues involved.
What you said might be on the positive side of the ledger.
MTU
1) As I said, calling Montero up may save prospects who might otherwise be traded.
2) Park, Gaudin. ‘Nuff said.
3) The mL regular season ends about Sept 1. If you call him up like August 15-20, what does he really lose in terms of catcher development. He gains ML playing time at catcher and the tutelage of Tony Pena.
4) A small price to pay.
stuckey, you are way too deep for me man.
if you think i’m self-entitled, fine, i really don’t care, but when it comes to being pompous, you are doing a great job.
you are stating extreme cases, all i said was it’s ok to express yourself any way you have to.
if you feel pain when they lose or blow a lead, it’s ok. it’s a long season, i get it, it’s not entitlement for me, i’ve seen them lose enough, which is why i hate it and if individual players aren’t doing their job, believe me the GM will notice and they will be gone, hey you can’t help but notice.
“I have generally shown respect to most posters on here.”
That you self-qualify that statement with “most poster on here” is a further display of your ignorance.
“Most” isn’t even the issue, it’s “posters on here”. You entire M.O. is a based on blatant disrespect of pretty much everyone and everything that isn’t NY sports based.
“Respecting” the people who happen to have personal interaction with isn’t some feather in your cap.
A true adult gives of not respect, at least general courtesy to anyone, even of they have no chance of every personally encountering this person in this lifetime.
I suspect you think you’re being rational and reasonable by “respecting” the members of THIS forum, but you’re actually just displaying your immaturity. You’re doling it out for one reason and one reason only, hoping to get it back.
That’s child-like.
“Also, I do not want your respect, as having your respect would be an insult to me. Please do not bestow the “honor” of your respect upon me.”
You needn’t concern yourself.
If you asked me i think they are going to get bench players. i don’t think those will cost any A or B prospects, therefore i think we should keep montero in the minors developing his catching skills thus enhancing his value to the future of the team ( posada’s time is quickly running it’s course)
“Still think we can’t make room on the 40 by dumping a Park or Gaudin for this kid.”
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Park and Gaudin are on the 25-man active roster, so in order to call up Montero they’d have to put him on the 40-man roster. With Pettitte down, Marte down and Joba struggling, the last thing the Yankees will do is cut a pitcher for a position player because they’ll be a pitcher short. Even a pitcher with a high level of Suck has value right now because he’s an arm. They might replace Gaudin with a Nova so that it’s a pitcher-for-a-pitcher move on the roster. If Montero comes up before September, they’ll have to remove a position player from the 25-man roster, while at the same time removing some player from the 40-man. It could be the same player, but not necessarily. For example, if they brought up Montero to replace Miranda on the 25-man, they still might want to keep Miranda on the 40-man, which means they’d have to find some other player on the 40-man roster.
It’s not going to happen. The Yankees don’t have any problem hitting, and the kid’s 20 and he’s staying in AAA to at least September.
There’s a really good bio on Ralph Houk in Bill Madden’s “October Men.”
Can’t stand Bill Madden, but that book told a lot of fascinating stories.
Rich-
Thanks. We are on our way to understanding what is involved in making these types of decisions.
It’s always easy to see a guy tearing the cover off of the ball and just reflexively say bring him up now.
GM’s have to see the whole picture.
Isn’t Al Leiter the only other pitcher to beat all 30 teams?
Exerpts From Jack McDowell of Yahoo Sports on eligibility for arbitration:
The team holds a player’s rights for a whopping six years in the minor leagues. The system assures that when a player reaches the majors, the organization has had ample time to evaluate the player’s capabilities and potential.
Now we all have seen the cases of minor league stars falling on their faces in the big leagues. Well, ownership is covered there as well. A player is not eligible for arbitration for three years, and that turns into four years if the team strategically calls a player up in June rather than having him break spring training with the club.
A club can pay that player anything it wants (above the minimum salary) for those three or four years. Then, if the club decides it doesn’t want to pay the jump in salary that arbitration might demand, it can non-tender a contract to that player and look elsewhere. The worst-case scenario for a club is to take a player to arbitration and be on the hook for only one year at market value.
I don’t know if this helps clarify things!
GF
I need to relax? I don’t come in here to whine everyday.
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And I do? Your word isn’t final, as mine isn’t. We all have opinions, we can be wrong, is all I’m saying. And yes, why can’t you relax, you seem uptight.
Isn’t Al Leiter the only other pitcher to beat all 30 teams?
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If you’re talking about pitchers who have played for the Yankees, Randy Johnson has done it.
“Even a pitcher with a high level of Suck has value right now because he’s an arm. They might replace Gaudin with a Nova so that it’s a pitcher-for-a-pitcher move on the roster.”
If Montero was called up by August 20th, they would lose a pitcher on the roster for 10 days until the roster could be expanded. That’s hardly a big deal.
They would ALMOST be better off playing with a 23 man roster than using Park or Gaudin.
“The Yankees don’t have any problem hitting,”
They are going to add a bat. Book it.
I’m with Rich and MTU calling Montero up is an option that should be considered.
YT-
It might, if you like “legalize” but thanks for the input nevertheless.
I meant at all but forgot about Johnson ……. so many jokes there.
stuckey
I don’t even know what you’re talking about. The issue was respect on the forum with other posters. That’s why I responded in that context.
I can and have the right to post what I want about Bostonians/referees on here and any forum if I choose to.
That doesn’t mean I don’t actually show respect for Bostonians/referees in my everyday life. I’ve come into contact with many Bostonians, a few referees – Bob Delaney being one – and a couple Boston athletes, and have always shown respect for them.
What I type on the forum in regards to Bostonians/referees is done for two purposes: To talk about them the way I really feel about them – because I can’t or refuse to do that in my everyday life – and to influence others with the same belief or bring out others who may have the same beliefs.
“all i said was it’s ok to express yourself any way you have to.”
Again, I’m fine with rational criticism. I ENJOY it a great deal in fact. I find what’s wrong with Chamberlain and how to fix it interesting.
I’m speaking specifically about the endless whining.
But to address your thought. No one HAS to express themselves in a certain way. They CHOOSE to. This is what this discussion is about.
“which is why i hate it and if individual players aren’t doing their job,”
Why do you hate it?
Because they aren’t trying hard enough?
Because they don’t care enough?
Because they don’t possess enough talent?
Because they happen to be in a slump?
Aren’t two of those thing VERY different from the other two?
And shouldn’t it make a difference?
MTU
It’s often said that the Yankees have to make certain sacrifices because they are a win now team. Sometimes a young player, even a 20 year old, offers the best chance to win now, and at those times, the usual sacrifice isn’t trading prospects for veterans, it’s creating roster space for a young player.
So I don’t think calling Montero up would be reflexive. To the contrary, it”s the best move available for a win now team.
They are going to add a bat. Book it.
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Agreed, but i don’t think it’s going to be anything close to an impact bat.
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Tom, i think we have to show patience with the kid, if he becomes an mlb catcher he is going toway more important than a dh
Rich-
5) Even though Jesus is tearing it up right now the Yankee Brass may still believe he is just not ready for prime time. I am not saying that is what I believe but it may be what THEY believe.
We have to consider that also.
“Zach McAllister, Dellin Betances, Ryan Pope, Bradley Suttle, Austin Krum, Justin Snyder, and Brandon Laird.”
Those are the player’s that will be eligible for the Rule 5 Draft and have to be added to the 40 man to be protected.
Lord
Thanks for that explanation.
Just for argument’s sake, let’s say they needed a DH for the post-season and they want to give Montero the shot?
Is it possible to bring him up, and be eligible for post-season esp if they were to cut or trade someone anyway?
Whether people like Gaudin or Park right now doesn’t matter because they do have value on this club because they still eat up innings.
The rotation hasn’t been good this home stand and the bullpen has had to work extra hard.
Somebody has to pitch those innings.
If there is any credence to the rumors it’s sounds like the first priority is a right-handed bat who can play some 3rd base, therefore the talk about Jhonny Peralta, Wes Helms and Jorge Cantu.
LGY-
Those are significant minor league pieces. Thanks.
To be eligible for the postseason, a player has to be on the 25 man roster by Sept 1st.
It’s not often you see a 20 yr old rookie get called up and soon thrown to the wolves in the postseason and I don’t expect it this year.
Who says Montero wouldn’t catch a game or two a week?
LGY-
Meant to say “some” significant pieces.
You might be right about montero but the yankees are more qualified than you or i to make that decision.
If he should be up he will be up.
I am sure there is a reason why he is not.
He is way behind with his defense compared to his offense.
“I can and have the right to post what I want about Bostonians/referees on here and any forum if I choose to.”
I agree.
And it illustrates your character.
“That doesn’t mean I don’t actually show respect for Bostonians/referees in my everyday life.
“What I type on the forum in regards to Bostonians/referees is done for two purposes: To talk about them the way I really feel about them – because I can’t or refuse to do that in my everyday life”
So let me get this straight, you’re boasting about not being a big enough person to tell people you encounter in real life how you really feel about them?
So you come here to do it behind their backs?
You’re suggesting being a phony is being “respectful”.
Dude, someone has screwed you up in a big way lol
“– and to influence others with the same belief or bring out others who may have the same beliefs.”
And to invent them out of thin air…
MTU
Maybe, but given the present state of the roster, they could really pick their spots with him for five or six weeks, and then assess where he’s at and how he is adjusting.
It’s their dearth of quality pitchers that presents a flexibility issue.
“Isn’t Al Leiter the only other pitcher to beat all 30 teams?”
I think they said Jamie Moyer too.
If the Yankees wanted to call up Montero making room on the 40 man this year without thinking about the Rule 5 draft would not be an issue.
Mitre will be back in a few days and they can DFA one of Moseley, Gaudin, or Park if they want to add Montero to the 40 man.
“Again, I’m fine with rational criticism.”
stuckey
Also, who are you to be “fine” with this, “fine” with that. Nobody cares what you’re fine with, nor should they. You’re just an internet tough guy who tries to bully people into acting the way you want them to act.
And on that note, I whole-heartedly applaud the Paraguayan player who got suspended 27 games for choking a referee. He is worthy of the utmost respect. Any player that is willing to stand up to a referee for getting screwed is as classy as classy gets.
MTU
(post eated, trying again)
Their roster construction from an offensive p.o.v. is so strong that they could pick their spots with Montero for 5 or 6 weeks, and assess on an ongoing basis just how much PT that he can handle.
Tom-
Do you think the Yankees think that Montero is ready to catch at the big league level even once a week ?
I’m just asking. I surely don’t know.
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I hate when they lose.
Is that a radical statement?
Is there any fan here who thinks differently?
We can’t all be as objective as you, stuckey.
stuckey
Phony is one way of looking at it – not a bad way. I prefer to look at it as treating everyone I encounter with respect.
And on that note, I whole-heartedly applaud the Paraguayan player who got suspended 27 games for choking a referee. He is worthy of the utmost respect. Any player that is willing to stand up to a referee for getting screwed is as classy as classy gets.
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You’ve got to be kidding.
“Whether people like Gaudin or Park right now doesn’t matter because they do have value on this club because they still eat up innings.”
Yes, which also means that they can easily be replaced.
stuckey
It takes a man of great character to stand up to a person like you, and that’s exactly what I am
GF – Hi, hope you’re well.
I think you’re confused, I’ve got a copy of October Men on my bookshelf, and it’s written by Roger Kahn. Doesn’t really talk about Houk. Maybe another tome?
Tom in N.J. July 21st, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Who says Montero wouldn’t catch a game or two a week?
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I don’t think the team thinks he is ready for it, at least not yet. i could be wrong……but thats what i’ve been reading
Montero getting pitched around in the 9. They just put the tying run on wow.
Montero. Perfect night. 3 for 3 with a walk.
“I don’t think the team thinks he is ready for it, at least not yet. i could be wrong……but thats what i’ve been reading”
If you go by what is widely published, Montero will NEVER be ready to be a ML catcher.
I’m done posting for the night. I just want to let internet-tough-guy stuckey know he has not pushed me away. I’ll be back!
“You’re just an internet tough guy who tries to bully people into acting the way you want them to act.”
Now you’re simply projecting. You admitted your agenda not 10 minutes ago.
“and to influence others with the same belief or bring out others who may have the same beliefs.”
It is YOU who fancies himself a leader of men.
“I prefer to look at it as treating everyone I encounter with respect.”
Someday maybe you’ll understand “honest” is the highest level of respect, when mixed with simple courtesy.
“Isn’t Al Leiter the only other pitcher to beat all 30 teams?”
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Terry Mulholland
Kevin Brown
Randy Johnson
Barry Zito
Javier Vazquez
Jamie Moyer
Al Leiter was the 1st to do it
# Rich in NJ July 21st, 2010 at 9:29 pm
“Whether people like Gaudin or Park right now doesn’t matter because they do have value on this club because they still eat up innings.”
Yes, which also means that they can easily be replaced.
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Not necessarily. Do you know how hard it is to get bullpen help right now? Even mediocre bullpen help?
cr9 did you say you prefer treating everyone with respect but applaud a player for choking a ref ???
Terry Mulholland
Kevin Brown
Randy Johnson
Barry Zito
Javier Vazquez
Jamie Moyer
Al Leiter was the 1st to do it
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5 of 7 were Yankees. I’m not sure that means anything though.
“the Yankees WILL lose 60 games this year under the best of circumstances.”
Last year they lost 59 games.
I thought you were some sort of logic guy?????
“Is it possible to bring him up, and be eligible for post-season esp if they were to cut or trade someone anyway?”
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Sure. I haven’t looked at the 40-man roster but there may be a player they’d be happy to remove if they think Montero is a player they need heading into September and if they want to have him available for the post-season. The biggest issue I see with Montero is position. He’s a catcher, but defense is the weakest part of the game. That’s why they want to keep him in AAA to keep working on his catching. No scout doubts his bat and long-term ability to hit in the majors.
Slots on the 40-man roster are gold and a team will hold off until the last minute before they add a player to the 40-man. The reason is simple. Once a player is removed from the 40-man he’s available to be taken by any team, and if he was good enough originally to be on the 40-man, then someone is going to snatch the player.
The Yankees obviously see Montero as someone who can help them in 2011, so he will be added to the 40-man at some point. I’m just not convinved it’s going to happen this year. In other words, it’s possible we won’t even see Montero in September. I hope that’s not the case!
I knew he was patting himself on the back for something.
Anyway, now that I’ve driven CR9 away (wink), anyone see Manny Banuelous’ line today?
5IP/10ks…
Rich-
To my untrained eye it would indeed appear that Montero’s bat is ML ready.
I wonder if the Yankee Brass feel the same way, and if they would believe it in their best interest to bring Jesus up ?
Most would probably say no. Personally, I am undecided.
“Last year they lost 59 games.
I thought you were some sort of logic guy?????”
I deserved that one…
“Not necessarily. Do you know how hard it is to get bullpen help right now? Even mediocre bullpen help?”
I don’t think either of them are even mediocre.
Park’s ERA is 5.93
Gaudin’s ERA is 6.81
Thats cannon fodder territory.
So it’s addition by subtraction.
# Joe from Long Island July 21st, 2010 at 9:29 pm
GF – Hi, hope you’re well.
I think you’re confused, I’ve got a copy of October Men on my bookshelf, and it’s written by Roger Kahn. Doesn’t really talk about Houk. Maybe another tome?
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Thanks, Joe. Doing very well.
Ah, yes. Sorry. I was confused (not the first time, won’t be the last) about the title.
The Madden book is called “Pride of October” not “October Men.”
I’ve read both. Roger Kahn wrote a lot of great books on baseball.
The Yankees obviously see Montero as someone who can help them in 2011, so he will be added to the 40-man at some point. I’m just not convinved it’s going to happen this year. In other words, it’s possible we won’t even see Montero in September. I hope that’s not the case!
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So you would like to see him called up and added to the 40 man?
If they did that it wouldn’t be to catch, but to hit.
If Miranda/Thames fail as DH, why not try him?
RIP Ralph Houk
MTU
He’s probably going to be called up by Sept 1 anyway, so I’m only talking about an extra week or two, maybe an outside chance of three, in part because I don’t want to sacrifice other prospects for a bat.
Whatever you say, Rich.
But if it was that easy to replace these guys, the Yanks would have already replaced them.
Has anyone else seen the size of their type change to a smaller type?
“To be eligible for the postseason, a player has to be on the 25 man roster by Sept 1st.”
There is one Nick Johnson sized loophole to that rule: The injury replacement. Any player, regardles of when they they are on the 25, man roster can take the postseason spot of a player on the DL. The Yanks did it last year with freddie guzman-he wasn’t on the 25 man all season and he replaced Nady on the PS roster.
It doesn’t matter what we think about montero,it matters what the yankees think.
At the very minimum i think it is safe to say that he needs a lot of work defensively.
What i find interesting is that cash said himself i believe that when po got hurt they considered bringing up romine or montero but ruled against it.
For the record, I want to see Montero face major league pitching, too.
I’m just not convinced it’s going to be this season.
Rich,
All i’m saying is that the kid is 20 years old. i think he should finish the season, may be get a call in september but to call him just to dh i think is messing the development of a potential force for years to come
“What i find interesting is that cash said himself i believe that when po got hurt they considered bringing up romine or montero but ruled against it.”
As I said above, we’re probably talking about weeks extra. How much better is he going to get in the mL over that time horizon?
Gardner getting ejected today and Curtis hitting a home run reminds me of a game last season-
Damon got ejected in the first and Gardner replaced him. Gardner went 3 for 3 with an inside the park homerun.
Odd symmetry to that
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy
Nice catch, Tom. You are correct, sir. That is the exception and teams do exploit that loophole.
luis
As I mentioned last night, Miguel Cabrera helped beat the Yankees in the 2003 WS when he was 20. And again, I’m talking about an extra two weeks of ML time.
Montero could out OPS Granderson right now
Bring him up
Has anybody seen their type size change in here, mine became small for some reason?
HELP!
Giuseppe Franco
I could be wrong, but I think they have misplaced faith in both Park and Gaudin based their veteraness and prior track records.
You know, everytime I see video of Montero, I’m taken aback how much slimmer he appears than in my mind’s eye.
The other day I saw Benji Molina leg out a triple in Fenway and when he got to second he literally looked like he was carrying around one of those Celebrity Fit Club fat suits.
Maybe the skills and athleticism aren’t there, but the body? I don’t see it…
GF – that’s quite all right. I get plenty confused, at times, myself – just ask my wife.
I’m going to call it an early night, got to get going at oh-dark:30 tomorrow AM.
Good night, all.
and Girardi LIKES what he saw from Joba ? INSANE ! ;-(
Rich-
“He’s probably going to be called up by Sept 1 anyway, so I’m only talking about an extra week or two, maybe an outside chance of three, in part because I don’t want to sacrifice other prospects for a bat.”
I am not convined Montero will be added to the 40 man this season.
In order to play in September that would be required, right ?
With the way they are going now, I don’t see Park or Gaudin on the post season roster.
Maybe for mop up now but not both, later.
There will be moves, there always are.
Cash is waiting it out.
mick July 21st, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Has anybody seen their type size change in here, mine became small for some reason?
HELP!
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No change here.
Did you accidentally hold down the “control” keep while scrolling with your mouse wheel?
Rich,
As long as the kid gets the chance to fully develop as a catcher i’m on the same boat, bring him up!!!
Erica, thank you
Yes I think I did.
What should I do now?
“So you would like to see him called up and added to the 40 man.”
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Yes! I’m just not sure the Yankees see it that way right now. At the very least, I’m hoping they give him some real MLB ABs in September as part of his development. He’s the best hitter the Yankees have developed since Jeter and the first one with major power potential in I don’t know how long. I’m looking forward to his debut. I’m just hoping they don’t trade him away as they almost did as part of the Lee deal.
mick July 21st, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Erica, thank you
Yes I think I did.
What should I do now?
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Hold down control again, but this time scroll UP with the mouse wheel instead of down
I don’t know how true that Lee deal really was.
Cash was being played by Seattle who wanted much more than Montero, possibly Nunez.
Texas was in the mix all along .
Thanks Erica
I think it’s too big now but I get it.
mick July 21st, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Thanks Erica
I think it’s too big now but I get it.
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Sure.
Glad I (sort of) helped
Is there any limit to this type set thing?
Like 1 or 2 settings. Or are there many more variations?
Does anybody else feel like this blog is more civilized at this point?
Billy Wagner choke job.
“Can’t stand Bill Madden.”
A friend of mine is a bartender @The Iron Horse, in Westwood, NJ.
He says Madden is a regular there, and he’s a pretty good guy.
I know, I know — shocking! A sports writer who’s also a booze hound.
Wow! Now I have a bolder type face. Live and learn.
Mick,
If you are using Internet Explorer, you can use CNTL + or CNTL – to increase or decrease the screen magnification. Nothing to do with “type set”
Also, on the bottom right of the screen there is blue + sign where the current screen magnification is listed ie 100% or 105% etc. clicking on that will give you many options for increasing or decreasing the screen display.
“Does anybody else feel like this blog is more civilized at this point?”
A more civilized sewer.
The best of the old blog – active convo, some controversy, no trolls/imposters, some dumb trade suggestions. Excellent change.
If the Yankees were in 2nd place or 3rd place, perhaps these same things that I am able to gloss over would bother me, but you see, the fact that they are in 1st place takes the worry away for me.
But make no mistake, I don’t like when they lose.
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Doreen, so you are just like me. Except you only watch parts of games. Being a frontrunner is part of so called Yankee tradition, because we are so used to winning. Better than being a loser. That is the tradition the Mets grew up with.
I don’t see the blue + sign but am foolong around with the ctrl and mouse wheel to change things, thanks!
no trolls/imposters, some dumb trade suggestions. Excellent change.
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I never got the troll thing. Someone with a different opinion?
Phillies need to find their binoculars soon before they fall completely out of the race
Too cute. Happy Curtis got the ball back.
pat July 21st, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Very cold of the fan not to ask for a Colin Curtis signed ball too since he hit the one they caught.
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Just noticed this. Wow, not sure if cold is the right word. Stupid might be better. Sure, I’d want a Jeter and an A-Rod signed ball, but I’d also want one from the guy who hit the home run. The kid (I think there was a young kid invovled) might actually value the Curtis ball more as he grows up just for the memory.