A-Rod and the Royals
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 23, 2010 
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Alex Rodriguez has three days to hit his 600th home run at Yankee Stadium. If not, the smart money has to be on him hitting it some time during the upcoming road trip, and obviously he’d rather hit it at home.
He’s facing the right team to do it.
Rodriguez hit his first career home run against the Royals. He also hit his 500th career home run against the Royals. In fact, he hit No. 500 against Kyle Davies, who’s starting for the Royals on Saturday.
“Don’t go jinxing me now,” Rodriguez said.
Before Davies, Rodriguez will face tonight’s starter, Brian Bannister. In his career against Bannister, Rodriguez is 4-for-7 with three home runs. That’s good for a 1.857 slugging percentage.
Want to know where No. 600 is likely to land? A site called Seatgeek has actually attempted to determine the most likely landing spot for Rodriguez’s 600th. It’s good news for those of you in Section 136.
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According to Buster Olney the D’Backs are now “intent” on moving Dan Haren before Saturday’s deadline.
If i am cash i call the gm from kc & ask them if greinke is available with a package starting with joba,montero & whoever else they wan’t as long as it is not hughes or betances.
Chip July 23rd, 2010 at 11:16 am
According to Buster Olney the D?Backs are now ?intent? on moving Dan Haren before Saturday?s deadline.
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I totally didn’t realize that next Saturday is the 31st already.
That is always one of the most exciting days of the season
And I really have no clue what date it is anymore.
Erica -
I know what you mean. I went through yesterday convinced it was Friday.
as unlikely as it would be, i’m really hoping he doesn’t hit it til sunday when i am there. i was there for 500, it would be a shame to miss 600 by a day or two.
I am completely uninterested in obtaining Haren or any other pitcher who is going to force Phil to the pen by mid-August of this year. If they can get some kind of decent starter who can go to the pen once Andy returns, great; if not, then I’d rather see us try to make do with what we have. I know Phil is pitching badly, but he will never completely develop as a starter if he’s not allowed to remain as a starter. He’s 24 now – still young, but not a baby. If they stick him in the pen for a month and a half, that’s a month and half he won’t have to develop as a starter and we will be in the same position with him next year – maybe not in terms of innings limits, but in terms of ability to get hitters out. All year long the Yankees have said his innings limits were not that bad – well if they get another starter because they are really concerned about the limits, then I want to know why they bothered making him the #5 starter in the first place. They will just have confirmed the fears of those fans who didn’t think he should be the #5 starter this year because of the limits.
I’m certainly not interested in trading a bunch of prospects for Dan Haren. I won’t say that Lee is a lock to come here because he may re-sign with the Rangers and there will be other teams out there gunning for him next year if he doesn’t. Still, he’s clearly the Yankees biggest priority. If Andy doesn’t retire, Andy will be back – I don’t think Javy will be back under any circumstance – so Haren and his multi-year deal just complicates things.
I hope it works out for you ID…I got to see him hit 450 in Toronto, in a losing effort.
Chip July 23rd, 2010 at 11:22 am
Erica -
I know what you mean. I went through yesterday convinced it was Friday.
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I spent all of Tuesday thinking it was Wednesday and then being very angry that it wasn’t.
But as far as actual dates… I have no clue. I blame technology.
In the past, when I was at work, I would have physical workpapers and would have to sign my initials and the date on each one when I finished something. Now we went paperless and my sign off is an electronic checkbox. Since I never have to write the date anymore, I have no clue what date it is
if Danny Haren is available . . the Yanks have to listen . . . .
1-Short term reasonable contract.
2-Replaces Javy next Season
3-Hughes can head to the bullpen when he hits the innings cap
4-We still keep Montero
5- we get a great pitcher
Blake/Kate-
responses on the previous thread.
•ESPN.com’s Buster Olney predicts that the Red Sox will keep David Ortiz next year, if only to prevent Big Papi from signing with the Rays or Yankees.
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Wow what happened to Buster Olney’s credibility? I have absolutely no connection to the yankees and what they want to do but I could bet the house that signing David Ortiz is not on that list, EVER. It must suck to be forced to come up with rubbish like that only to get a few more blog hits for your screwed up corporation (ESPN). I actually feel sorry for buster, he seemed to have been a decent reporter before the whole business became garbage.
Mike-
we are basically on the same page for now.
Betsy -
It isn’t another pitcher who is going to force Hughes to the pen, it’s Phil’s innings restrictions that are going to do it.
And if we accept that Hughes is heading to the pen then I would rather have Haren in his spot than Sergio Mitre.
Here’s Haren’s contract:
4 years/$44.75M (2009-12), plus 2013 club option
signed extension with Arizona 8/5/08, replacing option year & final guaranteed year of previous contract
09:$7.5M, 10:$8.25M, 11:$12.75M, 12:$12.75M, 13:$15.5M club option ($3.5M buyout)
He would slot in nicely and still leave room for Cliff Lee
As for what it would take to get him; realistically I would think Nunez, McAllister, and either Phelps or Warren.
MTU —
yes ,, , the only downside i see is if he comes here and stinks .
sab July 23rd, 2010 at 11:28 am
•ESPN.com?s Buster Olney predicts that the Red Sox will keep David Ortiz next year, if only to prevent Big Papi from signing with the Rays or Yankees.
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He didn’t want to say “Boston will keep David Ortiz because no one else wants him”
Chip,
D-backs have no use for Eduardo Nunez.
They have a shortstop.
i agree Chip
Here’s my happy place: By Sunday August 1 the Yankees have added the following players:
Ryan Theriot
Lastings Milledge
Joel Hanrahan
Dan Haren
and my far too happy place which will never happen they also get Adam Dunn
It’s not short term. Haren is signed for 2011 and 2012 for a combined $ 25.5 Million plus a $ 15.5 option for 2013 with a $ 3.5 M buyout.
That’s an awful lot for a guy with 4.60 ERA
Oswalt is a better deal…. of course we need to know the cost of acquiring each.
I’m not sure why his ERA has skyrocketed, but it’s a concern as is the fact he’s given up 23 HR already.
i have an awesome list of “being there” ticket stubs
david cone’s perfect game
first game in the bronx after 9/11
mo’s 400th and 500th save (and first career rbi)
a-rods 500th hr
jeters only career grand slam
jeter tieing and breaking of gherigs hits record
last playoff game at the old stadium
first playoff game at the new stadium
there are more but i’m at work, thats all i can remember
Bret The Hitman July 23rd, 2010 at 11:31 am
Chip,
D-backs have no use for Eduardo Nunez.
They have a shortstop.
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They’re looking to deal Stephen Drew
LOL Like the Yankees would EVER sign Ortiz – oh please, Buster Brown.
Chip, I never said Phil wouldn’t go to the pen eventually, but I’m thinking mid to late September. I’m opposed to him being shunted to the pen any earlier. Also, if they skip him 2 times, he should actually be ok innings wise and wouldn’t have to be sent to the pen (unless it was because he was not deserving to start in thet playoffs).
I’m also still not interest in Haren……..
I’m not all that excited about getting Haren but that would be a great bat to have if the yankees reach the world series and he pitches in the NL park.
86w183- its one bad year. I wouldn’t mind Oswalt as well . .But i got a feeling he doesn’t want to pitch in New York
there no reason to expect haren to end up on the yankees, dunno why this has so much traction today.
wow ID, you have been to some great games!!! wish I lived closer
86w183 July 23rd, 2010 at 11:32 am
It?s not short term. Haren is signed for 2011 and 2012 for a combined $ 25.5 Million plus a $ 15.5 option for 2013 with a $ 3.5 M buyout.
That?s an awful lot for a guy with 4.60 ERA
Oswalt is a better deal?. of course we need to know the cost of acquiring each.
I?m not sure why his ERA has skyrocketed, but it?s a concern as is the fact he?s given up 23 HR already.
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Haren’s 3 years younger than Oswalt and has had success in the American League
Haren’s ERA is a run higher than his career averages while Oswalt is currently enjoying a good season after a string of seasons in which his numbers were in steady decline.
yeah, i probably go to 30-35 games a season. obviously helps my odds
Mike-
“stinks”. I highly doubt that.
We have competition for his services so who knows anyway.
Erica
You need to change your calander from the JD page and then you will know what day it is.
chip – haren had success in the land of free outs (oakland). i wouldn’t bank on that.
Betsy July 23rd, 2010 at 11:33 am
LOL Like the Yankees would EVER sign Ortiz ? oh please, Buster Brown.
Chip, I never said Phil wouldn?t go to the pen eventually, but I?m thinking mid to late September. I?m opposed to him being shunted to the pen any earlier. Also, if they skip him 2 times, he should actually be ok innings wise and wouldn?t have to be sent to the pen (unless it was because he was not deserving to start in thet playoffs).
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Think of it this way – Haren won’t be bouncing Hughes, he’ll be bouncing Mitre.
If the Yankees trade for Haren now Mitre goes to the pen and Haren takes Andy’s spot. Andy is due back late August, which is about when Hughes would have to head to the pen, so Andy takes Phil’s spot.
For the rest of this season I’d probably rather have Oswalt….for the next 3 seasons I’d rather have Haren. Haren is younger and has a better track record of health and consistency and has pitched in the AL before. I’m not wild about either to be honest but I’d prefer a trade for Haren than Oswalt if either were to happen.
Per Buster Olney:
“”News on David DeJesus:Best-case scenario, he’ll miss two weeks, worst case scenario is he’ll need some sort of surgery and will miss 6 weeks”"
Thats a rough break for both DeJesus and the Royals. If he hadn’t gotten hurt he might have been dealt to a contender at teh deadline…and KC would probably have received some nice prospect. Now it looks like DeJesus will finish the season with them.
Chip-
Have you been using performance enhancing drugs ?
You’re like a laser today.
Considering the Royals financial situation, they might decline the 6 million dollar option on DeJesus and offer him arbitration. He’d be a type-A.
MaineYankee July 23rd, 2010 at 11:38 am
Erica
You need to change your calander from the JD page and then you will know what day it is.
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Talk about a bitter insult….
There isn’t even a Johnny Damon month in my 2010 calendar but CMW who barely pitched for them in the last two years previously, got a month
I ripped the Johnny Damon picture out of my 2009 calendar
upstate kate July 23rd, 2010 at 11:36 am
wow ID, you have been to some great games!!! wish I lived closer
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I took one of the best naps in my life on the Amtrak from Albany to Penn Station
hughes is not going to the bullpen in august. he only needs to skip 2 or 3 starts between now and the end of the season to fall in at 175 innings right at the end of september.
106 innings
69 innings left to reach 175
14 starts left on normal rest
if he pitches 6 innings per start, he has 11 starts to reach his limit before the playoffs
something tells me if he makes 12 starts and 180ish innings, they won’t mind too much
no sense in blowing up the farm/bullpen/rotation to skip 3 starts.
MTU July 23rd, 2010 at 11:41 am
Chip-
Have you been using performance enhancing drugs ?
You?re like a laser today.
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I had my wheaties
DeJesus injury also a rough break for Chip
Erica-
By the way, winning the lotto is a very long term project.
But I wish you luck. In much the same way that I wish Erin the best of luck in winning the Cano ball.
Irreverent Discourse July 23rd, 2010 at 11:45 am
hughes is not going to the bullpen in august. he only needs to skip 2 or 3 starts between now and the end of the season to fall in at 175 innings right at the end of september.
106 innings
69 innings left to reach 175
14 starts left on normal rest
if he pitches 6 innings per start, he has 11 starts to reach his limit before the playoffs
something tells me if he makes 12 starts and 180ish innings, they won?t mind too much
no sense in blowing up the farm/bullpen/rotation to skip 3 starts.
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Not in August, but in September when Andy’s back and then in the playoffs Hughes will likely be in the pen.
I would much rather have Dan Haren as my third starter in the playoffs than Javy or AJ
Chip-
I had something else in mind but OK.
Chip, again – if Phil is skipped 2 starts, he won’t have to go to the pen before the playoffs. As I said, I’m not interested in Phil going to the pen sooner than mid to late September. I’m not overly thrilled with how the Yankees try and develop their young starters; I was mistaken, I guess, that this would be different with Phil – it’s not.
Wow that blurb about Ortiz really gave me a good chuckle.
Also, apparently Andy is going to be in the great hall at 5:00 today. I just found out about this. If I would have known I would have brought my camera and taken a half day. Ugg
chip – why put him in the pen if he’s not going over his innings limit? did you comprehend everything i just wrote there?
Considering the Royals financial situation, they might decline the 6 million dollar option on DeJesus and offer him arbitration. He’d be a type-A.
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Bret, if that happens, can DeJesus decline arbitration and become a free agent?
Kate-
there is always next season for Chip and De Jesus to be reunited.
at best, he might go in the pen the last 2 weeks of september. certainly no sooner.
NYY626 – Andy in 2011 July 23rd, 2010 at 11:48 am
Wow that blurb about Ortiz really gave me a good chuckle.
Also, apparently Andy is going to be in the great hall at 5:00 today. I just found out about this. If I would have known I would have brought my camera and taken a half day. Ugg
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No camera phone?
You can always get a sudden, violent tummy flu and need to leave work early (just requires a little extra acting)
ID, that’s how I mapped it out prior to the last start…………I agree with you. That said, they do have to figure something out with these skipped starts. I don’t blame the long rest for the problems Phil has had, but clearly he’s not handling it that well.
This has been a rough couple of months for Phil – and maybe it will get worse before it gets better – but unless the Yankees want to go through this thing next year with Phil (in terms of performance), they need to let him start as much as possible.
betsy – he can pitch on regular rest until the second week of september, at 6 innings per game. best to skip his starts at the end rather than in the middle of the season. i hope the coaches see it that way.
Betsy July 23rd, 2010 at 11:48 am
Chip, again ? if Phil is skipped 2 starts, he won?t have to go to the pen before the playoffs. As I said, I?m not interested in Phil going to the pen sooner than mid to late September. I?m not overly thrilled with how the Yankees try and develop their young starters; I was mistaken, I guess, that this would be different with Phil ? it?s not.
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I don’t disagree with you about the way the Yankees develop their starters but sadly I have no control over it so I’m just making the best out of the situation.
Getting Dan Haren would be a smart move not just for now but for next year and the year after as well.
Cashman is all about thinking long term and this would be a good long term move.
Sorry Erica.
That said, again – the rotation makes me uncomfortable and a part of me realizes that we need another starter.
“”News on David DeJesus:Best-case scenario, he’ll miss two weeks, worst case scenario is he’ll need some sort of surgery and will miss 6 weeks””
DeJesus’s injury gave me Matsui flashbacks last night.
I must say, I love the title of this thread-it sounds like a TV movie about Alex and the Royal Family.
Erica – I really dont think I can swing that today
Although it is pretty tempting…
Its probably going to be a mob scene in the great hall today. According to Kay, the line for Andy’s CenterStage was the biggest ever. Andy’s a pretty popular dude I guess
Side note:
Its apparently “okay” to run around the field in Baltimore
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....mlb-257721
Erica
actually we are going to take the train in this year, but we are still over 3 hours north of Albany…which reminds me, my son’s former GF, a real sweetie, is going to SUNY Albany next year.
ID, but then what – stop on him for a few weeks before the playoffs? I don’t think that will work.
From what Joe said after Phil’s recent game, I don’t think they’re doing that anyway. It sounds like they want to figure out what they can do between skipped starts………….Now, the thing that complicates it is that I don’t blame Phil’s performance in that Seattle and the Angels game all on long rest. I think it probably does effect his FB somewhat, but it’s not like he was not having real issues prior to the first skipped start.
Chip, Cash has to strike a balancing act between the present and the future – it’s not easy. I trust that what he’ll do is right, but if he believes that Phil is a top of the rotation guy, then for pity’s sake, he has to let the kid pitch. Otherwise, as I said last night, he should have kept him in AAA to start. I’m being somewhat facetious, but Phil is not going to get any better as a starter by being in the pen. Phil has to try and fix his issues as a starter as a starter…..or this will happen again next year. Anyway, I really don’t think the Yankees are in on Haren; the mediots are lazy and are just going to throw the Yankees out there to keep people interested in their blogs.
Hughes isn’t going to the pen until Andy comes back at the earliest of at all. By then he’ll be close to his limit. As others have pointed out it may be easier to find a quality starter than a quality reliever via trade this year and Hughes was the best set up man in baseball last season. Not saying they will trade for a starter or do anything but I think I may rather them do that than overpay for a relief pitcher.
I think the Yankees are scouring the trade market to see who is available.
Haren is just one name though a fairly prominent one.
I personally believe the Yankees are looking for added insurance.
ASB is typically the time teams make mid-course corrections.
If The yanks can find a match they have the chips to make a trade, and if Cash pulls the trigger it will be because he thinks it’s fair value.
Hopefully, the prices for things they want will drop.
When a pitcher like Haren is being shopped you have to at least listen.
MTU July 23rd, 2010 at 11:47 am
But I wish you luck. In much the same way that I wish Erin the best of luck in winning the Cano ball
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Awww, thanks MTU
That Cano ball will be mine!!!!!!
I don’t believe that Cash sees Haren as a solution in NY or that he values Haren as equally as the Dbacks do. If we get him for peanuts, then great, but anything other than that – I’d be shocked if he was a Yankee by August 1st. As Cash said, Lee is a special case and the Yankees believe he IS the best pitcher in baseball right now. I’m pretty certain that they’re not labeling Haren anywhere near that mark. Obviously, no one here is either.
Lee, in my mind, will be a Yankee come next year. The only reason I see him not is if Lee himself, is not interested in NY and he’s never made a claim like that. Lee will not be resigning with the Rangers since there are stories about Nolan Ryan’s testimony regarding their plight in trying to extend Hamilton and may have to let him go. If they can’t afford to keep Hamilton, they’re not going to empty whatever bank they have left to keep Lee and if the ownership situation isn’t resolved by the winter, I seriously doubt the rest of the ML owners who are paying the Rangers’ tab will ok any 100+ million dollar contracts. And on a money vs money scenario, with Cash referring to Lee as a “special case”, I’m fairly certain that they’ll open all of their wallets to get him. I don’t see anyone outbidding the Yankees for Lee.
betsy – pitch him on regular rest up to 10 innings short of his “limit” then put him in the pen for the last 2 weeks of the season, getting him ready to pitch out of the pen for the playoffs. no skipping necessary.
jpb173 July 23rd, 2010 at 11:49 am
Considering the Royals financial situation, they might decline the 6 million dollar option on DeJesus and offer him arbitration. He’d be a type-A.
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Bret, if that happens, can DeJesus decline arbitration and become a free agent?
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Yes.
Olney is getting more delusional. Nobody is interested in Ortiz. If Boston does any housecleaning over the winter, the Ortiz team option for 2011 will not be picked up.
Rather than zero in on Dan Haren talks, I’d prefer to see Cashman deal with the Marlins and get Leo Nunez for the bullpen and either Cody Ross or Jorge Cantu for a bat.
Blake, if he is skipped another time or two, Phil will be fine all the way until the playoffs – and although I sincerely doubt he would start, he could because innings limits go out the window in the post-season.
MTU
Got to get ready for Acadia. Keep the troops from attacking each other.
I’m hoping to read good results in the paper the next couple of days.
ID, that could work…………….if you assume that he’s going to be a reliever in the pen. I don’t think he’s going to just turn his season around and start pitching lights out, so yeah – I expect Phil to be in the pen – but if he does start pitching lights out, that plan would preclude him from starting in the post-season.
I mean reliever in the post-season.
Apple-
Prices still appear too high for those pieces otherwise I think Cash would be interested.
Maine-
Have a wonderful time. Think 3 of 4. Take photos (I know I said that before). Don’t drop the sacred tablets .
betsy – i dont see any chance of hughes starting in the post season, although they have said that the postseason will not count against any imposed innings limits. he would have to be really, really lights out rolling up to the playoffs to get consideration over guys that will not translate well to the bullpen (vazquez and burnett).
Maine
have a great time…are you going up Cadilac Mtn?
I am not worried about Phil at all, just think he got off his routine w/ the skipped start and the ASG. He is in good company, Price and Bucky didn’t pitch well their last time out either.
Kate
Yes
I’ve never been and my wife has. She thought our anniversary was a good time to get away for a couple of days.
Betsy,
I don’t know what they will do with Phil but either way I think he’ll get the innings they want for him as a starter this season. After that, you just have to use him however best helps you win the WS this year. If that’s as a member of the playoff rotation then great…if they need him to set up Mo then I’m fine with that as well.
2 questions though are though: how will Andy rebound from the layoff and will fatigue be a factor for Hughes down the stretch (he hasn’t thrown this many innings in awhile). Adding another quality starter could be both easier to pull off and more beneficial to the team than trying to find a reliever. Should be interesting.
Maine-
have a Cadillac of a vacation then.
Betsy July 23rd, 2010 at 11:24 am
I am completely uninterested in obtaining Haren or any other pitcher who is going to force Phil to the pen by mid-August of this year. If they can get some kind of decent starter who can go to the pen once Andy returns, great; if not, then I’d rather see us try to make do with what we have. I know Phil is pitching badly, but he will never completely develop as a starter if he’s not allowed to remain as a starter. He’s 24 now – still young, but not a baby. If they stick him in the pen for a month and a half, that’s a month and half he won’t have to develop as a starter and we will be in the same position with him next year – maybe not in terms of innings limits, but in terms of ability to get hitters out. All year long the Yankees have said his innings limits were not that bad – well if they get another starter because they are really concerned about the limits, then I want to know why they bothered making him the #5 starter in the first place. They will just have confirmed the fears of those fans who didn’t think he should be the #5 starter this year because of the limits.
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This is just utter rubbish. If Hughes goes to the pen mid-late August, he’s missing what, 6-7 starts? That’s going to retard his development when he’s going to have 25 starts under his belt by that point, and will then have a pivotal role in the BP the rest of the year & playoffs?
Whether or not they pick up another starter, Phil’s gonna get his starts up to approx. 180 innings and then will move to the pen.
and Maine, don’t forget to represent…Yankee hat, WS t-shirt etc…you will be in enemy territory
Blake-
“Adding another quality starter could be both easier to pull off and more beneficial to the team than trying to find a reliever. Should be interesting.”
That is just one of the apparent paradoxes of the current trade market. That it might actaully be more sensible to trade for a starter than a reliever- valuewise.
A GM has to try to be very much in tune with the times I would think, and ever flexible.
i am very happy for ARod. last night proved once again that he is not the same person, not the same Yankee player from a couple years ago.
in his final at bat, he still stroked the ball hard to RC for a double. not only that, but he was pleased with that at bat and did not dwell on missing an opportunity for 600.
his sense of calm is very impressive.
Doreen-I’m sorry-I hope you don’t mind me posting my lineup early today. I’m going to be out for a while, and wanted to make sure I got it in. Thank you!!!
SS Jeter
RF Swisher
1B Teixeira
DH Rodriguez
2B Cano
C Posada
CF Granderson
LF Gardner
3B Pena
ID, I think you’re right – and I wouldn’t have a problem with that unless Phil is lights out.
Blake, I hope you’re right – and I think you’re right. I’m really not concerned about how he’s used in the post-season, to be honest; I just want him to keep starting. I wonder if fatigue is playing a role now – and that’s why I had no problems with skipping starts to keep him fresh – but, in my gut, I don’t think so. Phil’s struggles go back to mid-May when he wasn’t close to going over his innings from last year. He’s simply lost his command – and his curve (which I think is the biggest problem, not just for this year, but going forward). Possibly his FB is declining – he is not getting a lot of swings and misses (hasn’t in a month) and his K rate is diminishing rapidly. I can’t figure out what root cause of his problems are.
AS to Andy, he’ll probably struggle in his first couple of starts coming back, but unless he just loses it, I would think he’d be fine.
Kate
I’m under attack almost daily here.
I wear my Yankee gear as a badge of honor.
Big start for AJ tonight. First start with Andy on the DL. There is increased pressure now for him to step up and really be the number 2 in this rotation. The Royals can swing the bat as we saw last night so it’s not going to be a cakewalk but at least they are free swingers which should help AJ out if he’s having some control issues.
Erin July 23rd, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Doreen-I?m sorry-I hope you don?t mind me posting my lineup early today. I?m going to be out for a while, and wanted to make sure I got it in. Thank you!!!
SS Jeter
RF Swisher
1B Teixeira
DH Rodriguez
2B Cano
C Posada
CF Granderson
LF Gardner
3B Pena
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Disqualification.
Tyler, I wish I had confidence in AJ – but I agree, he has to step it up – and now.
MTU,
Yea, I guess you just have to move for what helps the team the most and gives up the least. I believe Cashman when he says he’s not moving Montero for anyone else out there and I don’t think he should.
The Offense appears to be coming alive a bit though huh. A sign of a good team is when one part struggles the other picks up the slack and the Yankees have done that this season so far.
Blake-
Montero would only be moved for a premium piece.
Haren and the like are not that.
They could be obtained for quite a bit less I would hope.
If not it’s “Hasta La Vista baby” time.
Agree with you on the signs of a good team. One part slacks the other picks it up.
Schilling gave Boston the “Bloody sock” performance, and now AJ needs to give us the revenge of the “Bloody hand”.
If Tex, Arod and Jeter can continue to rebound from their earlier struggles, we don’t need to add a bat. Plus Montero has an outside chance of being the DH in the 2010 post season.
The bullpen remains the biggest problem.
If the Yankees are to make a long term commitment to an offense/defense catching tandem of Jesus Montero/Francisco Cervelli, they have to seriously think about moving Austin Romine in a package for Joakim Soria.
This would free up Joba to be dealt for Haren which insures the potential loss of Pettitte.
Today’s Guess the Lineup is Open for Business.
I will accept lineups until 3 pm or until an official lineup is posted. I have already submitted Erin’s lineup for today.
Good luck.
Bret-
You going way above most people’s heads with all that.
Remember, you’re connected.
keep Dreamin’ the big dream. Can’t hurt. And who knows it may even come to pass.
I had no idea until watching the game last night that the Royals have the highest team batting average. CC, and bullpen, did a great job of limiting the damage. Hopefully AJ can do the same and not get unravelled if/when the Royals score.
GTLU- Different Drum
SS Jeter
RF Swish
1B Tex
3B ARod
2B Robbie(big game tonight 2HR)
C Jorge
DH Miranda
CF Grandy
LF Curtis
AJ- who knows at this point but the Yankees win!!!!! regardless…
Doreen,
I just clicked on your name to see how people submit names for GTLU and then I saw your pic.
You’re stunning!
I hope my future wife is as beautiful as you.
Haren is totally worth Montero+ but I doubt the Yanks go after him.
Keep in mind, if they get Haren they aren’t signing Lee, Pettitte will be back next year.
kate-
If AJ is to hold down the Royals he is going to have to bring his “A” game.
They can hurt you like a hive of stinging bees (sorry Bret).
The good news about a trade for Haren is that Montero wouldn’t be a trade chip – with Miguel Montero and Chris Snyder Arizona has no need for a catcher.
Patrick,
AZ supposedly wants ML-ready quality pitchers….so guys like Joba + Nova + Phelps…
Just saw the highlight of Jeter’s “HR”. DeJesus made the play! But just couldn’t hold on to the ball. Unbelievable.
AJ needs to rebound tonight and get on a roll.
Throw that 94mph 2 seemer and get quick ground outs.
Go the distance and get a pie in the face from Swish.
That’s what AJ, the $85,000,000 man, needs to do tonight.
m-
Not to be picky but if he didn’t hold onto the ball then he didn’t make the play.
Patrick July 23rd, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Haren is totally worth Montero+ but I doubt the Yanks go after him.
Keep in mind, if they get Haren they aren?t signing Lee, Pettitte will be back next year
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Wouldn’t you rather have a rotation of:
CC, Haren, Lee, Hughes AJ than CC, Andy, Hughes, AJ, Haren/Lee?
The first one is not only a better rotation but it’s one that will be the best in baseball for as long as they’re together.
Bret the Hitman
Thank you for the compliment. I clean up pretty good, I guess.
Wonder where GB is today ?
Sure hope Wratchet isn’t puttin’ some of her good lovin’ on him.
Hi Doreen,
Jeter-ss
Swish-rf
Tex-1b
Alex-3b
Cano-2b
Posada-DH
Granderson-cf
Cervelli-C
Gardner-lf
It gets overshadowed because the Yankees won, but last night was possibly the worst game I have ever seen a catcher play.
Jorge had two incredibly stupid throws (Tex rescued him from the second one) and an extremely lazy play at the plate on Billy Butler. The ball was there in plenty of time but Jorge stopped blocking the dish and didn’t even attempt a tag…if not for some awful umpiring that’s a run for the Royals.
This is not a Jorge bash – I just wish someone could explain where the heck his head was last night.
Random thoughts on trading for a starter now:
Unless Mitre falls on his face, SP and BP should hold up as constructed until Pettitte returns.
BTW In his last start, Hughes was squeezed by the ump. His fastball, which he through consistently at knees, was being called a ball. He’ll be fine.
Don’t understand the love lost about Javy. He’s pitched consistently well since May (I believe-you stat heads and evidence mongers, prove me wrong). He’s a serviceable 4th or 5th SP, better the most clubs have.
No need for a SP other than Lee. TX will not outbid NYY, no way no how in 2011. That takes care of SP for 2011, regardless of whether of what Pettitte and/or Javy do.
When a rested Pettitte returns, NYY have 3 starters for the ALDS, 4 starters (including Javy) for ALCS and WS with Hughes as a luxury insurance policy.
What me worry? Enjoy the dog days, stretch run and #28.
Doreen-
FWIW, I like you better with the longer hair.
Three thoughts that are on my mind this rainy (Tropical Stormy) afternoon in South Florida:
1. I think ARod will hit #600 tomorrow afternoon. I love the irony of 500 and 600 being off the same pitcher (Davies).
2. I’m expecting an OK AJ tonight. Probably 6IP, 4ER 3BB 5K and a no-decision. The bullpen (probably short tonight) will have to step up.
3. I would love for Granderson to do something positive tonight. He has been a huge disappointment. I understand the rationale of making the move this past offseason. However, more attention probably should have been made to his declining #’s the past few years. Granderson might be more talented, but I’d rather have Melky for half the price.
According to Heyman, Ariz wants ML ready arms. 2 starters and a reliever. The yanks could do that depending on what Ariz thinks of Joba. If he’s still highly regarded by them, the Yanks could build a package around him.
I’m still not sure what we should think about Haren’s down year. he’s in a pitcher friendly park in a pitcher friendly division and he’s really struggling.
Not weighing in on whether I think the Yankees should/should not acquire Haren in this post, but if they did, Phil would not have to go directly to the pen when Andy returned from injury.
If the Yankees have a comfortable lead in the division, they could go to a 6 man rotation to give everyone some extra rest heading into the postseason.
GTLU
Jeter – SS
Swish – rf
Tex – 1b
Alex – 3b
Cano – 2b
Posada – C
Miranda – DH
Granderson – CF
Gardner – LF
I just want to pay all of you who participated a compliment.
The discussion surrounding Haren, wether you are pro or con, has been outstanding.
And very civilized for a change.
LGY July 23rd, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Not weighing in on whether I think the Yankees should/should not acquire Haren in this post, but if they did, Phil would not have to go directly to the pen when Andy returned from injury.
If the Yankees have a comfortable lead in the division, they could go to a 6 man rotation to give everyone some extra rest heading into the postseason.
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Maybe not. They could turn around and trade javy for a bat or for prospects. Then Hughes could stay in the rotation until a couple of weeks before the playoffs.
Chip -
I wouldn’t say Posada’s game was overlooked. It was talked about here a lot, and Girardi did answer some questions about it, and the plays were mentioned in the game story in my Star Ledger.
so many GTLU decisions
Po or Cervelli to catch
who to DH
what day will Jeet/Alex get a day off, or will they be the DH
Chip
I agree with you. Have to wonder if Jorge is hurting a little bit more than we know or is really wearing down causing him to lose focus. There was a play last week on a goundball that I think it was Arod? who over threw Mark and Jorge failed to back up. He didn’t even leave home plate until the runner was half way down the line.
Who would’ve ever predicted that Phil would not be in the rotation with IPK & Joba?
Seriously. I don’t know why, but I can’t see Joba being traded. It’s such a dysfunctional relationship, but I can’t see it. Probably because they refuse to send him down. I get that he’s one of the best arms, etc. But, if you’re thinking long term success, I think the Yankees are shortchanging Joba.
Also, keep in mind that acquiring Haren this season does not guarantee he will be here for the next 3 years or even next year.
Arizona is looking for a fairly specific package apparently, not just “best player available.”
The Yankees could deal from a position of strength in their system and then flip Haren in the offseason for players that better fit their needs/wants.
For example they could include Nova, knowing Noesi is right behind him.
MTU July 23rd, 2010 at 12:48 pm
I just want to pay all of you who participated a compliment.
The discussion surrounding Haren, wether you are pro or con, has been outstanding.
And very civilized for a change.
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It really is an interesting topic. he’s normally a guy you would jump at, but his struggles this year are troublesome.
I think I’ve decided I’d be against picking hi up. With that, I’ll stop talking/writing about it and wait to see how it plays out.
LGY-
I see you have been paying attention.
July affliction
Cured only by calendar
Dan Harentitis
MTU July 23rd, 2010 at 11:41 am
Chip-
Have you been using performance enhancing drugs ?
You?re like a laser today.
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You’re pretty close, MTU. He’s been eating magic mushrooms. He spends more time in Wonderland than Alice.
No way in Hell is Haren a $15 mil a year pitcher.
GB-
I might be right there with him.
Glad Wratchet didn’t get a chance to get you in one of her death grips and put some of her really good lovin’ on you.
I was just inquiring as to your whereabouts a few moments ago.
GreenBeret7- neither is Burnett . and half the pitchers in the league . . . if Burnett and Lowe are making 15 million . . Haren for 15 mil . .is about right . . He’s having a bad season.
A question for someone in the metropolitan area. What does the weather look like for tonight’s game? I live well upstate and we are getting a very heavysoaking. If the Bronx gets as much rain, we could be looking at a rainout tonight.
for what its worth. . some Dan Haren news. .via mlbtraderumos
The Tigers and Twins, who both have interest in Haren, are on his no-trade list, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Haren would also have to approve a trade to the Rays or Reds. Bob Nightengale of USA Today first reported that the Twins were on Haren’s list.
Phil,
I don’t know that it’s physical…the mistakes seem to be more mental than anything else…it’s like someone gave him Manny’s brain.
GreenBeret7 July 23rd, 2010 at 12:55 pm
MTU July 23rd, 2010 at 11:41 am
Chip-
Have you been using performance enhancing drugs ?
You?re like a laser today.
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You?re pretty close, MTU. He?s been eating magic mushrooms. He spends more time in Wonderland than Alice.
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You still sticking with senility as your excuse?
GTLU
SS Derek
RF Swish
1B Tex
3B Alex
2B Cano
C Jorge
DH Miranda
CF Granderson
LF Gardner
for the last 2 seasons haren has been a $20+ mil a year player.
Haren’s given up a lot of hits and he’s got a lot of strikeouts.
Dare I say he’s the Austin Jackson of pitchers?
Only at 37 times the price.
I think Ian Kennedy’s having a better season than Haren. Does anybody want Ian Kennedy?
GTLU
SS Jeet
RF Swish
1B Tex
DH ALex- 600 tonight! (sorry ID)
2B Robbie
C Po
LF GGBG
LF Grandy
3B Pena
thanks Doreen
Mike Ri July 23rd, 2010 at 12:58 pm
GreenBeret7- neither is Burnett . and half the pitchers in the league . . . if Burnett and Lowe are making 15 million . . Haren for 15 mil . .is about right . . He’s having a bad season.
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and of course, he’ll be an ace because he’s wearing pinstripes. $30 mil+ in salart plus the talent required? Not likely, Chauncey.
Mike-
That would seem to narrow the list to the Phils, Cards (his old team), and possibly the Yanks.
I think the Cards are very interested in Roy O and he seems willing to drop his demand for the last year option to be picked up if going to the Cards.
I don’t think the Phils have the pieces.
Maybe that puts us in the lead ?
GreenBeret7 July 23rd, 2010 at 12:57 pm
No way in Hell is Haren a $15 mil a year pitcher.
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That’s good – since he doesn’t make $15 mil a year. He’s makes 12.75 over the next two years and has an option at 15.5 the year after (with inflation that will probably be less than it seems right now)
Chip
Want to give Jorge the benefit of the doubt. Getting tougher to do though.
“If the Yankees have a comfortable lead in the division,”
Which would be what?
I hope so MTU !!
The cost for the Yanks with the remaining $ on this season and the buyout in 2013 would be about 30 million.
So yeah he’s slightly under 15 mil a season.
Shall we leave the last “S” off for savings?
I’m beginning to think this Haren thing has legs.
GreenBeret7 July 23rd, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Mike Ri July 23rd, 2010 at 12:58 pm
GreenBeret7- neither is Burnett . and half the pitchers in the league . . . if Burnett and Lowe are making 15 million . . Haren for 15 mil . .is about right . . He’s having a bad season.
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and of course, he?ll be an ace because he?s wearing pinstripes. $30 mil+ in salart plus the talent required? Not likely, Chauncey.
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If you want to disagree with getting him, use the facts instead of making them up.
Haren’s not making 30 mil in salary and you have absolutely no clue what “talent” it would take to get him or if that “talent” will ever do anything at the major league level.
The last player the Yankees have traded away who has become anything in this league was Soriano – and that was for Alex.
Mike-
As you pointed out. If we got him and he wound up stinking up the place people who advocated for him would never hear the end of it.
maybe we should be careful what we wish for ?
Haren has legs…the trade to NYYs don’t.
upstate kate -
GGBG in left and Grandy in center?
GB-
Yup. Long ugly ones just like Wratchet’s but w/o the hooves.
MTU -
Careful, GB disagrees with you. You’re likely to be mocked and then lectured about how the Yankees don’t need to trade for players because some guy at A ball is having a spectacular season and really isn’t that what’s important here?
GB-
and their hairy too. like hers.
You don’t think that NYYs will give up top talent for Haren and then let him walk away after 2 years for nothing, do you?
Given the SPs the NYYs have now I think Hughes has a good chance of starting in the post-season. CC and Andy are locks. But the other 2 spots are up for grabs among PH, AJ and JV. I don’t think salary or experince will have anything to do with it. The 2 guys pitching the best at playoff time are in. The inning limit doesn’t apply to post season, per Cashman.
Chip-
GB and I are buds. Even if he mocks me were still friends.
It’s all part of the humor.
Haren has had very few good starts this year. He is really pitching to his 4.60 era. Maybe a change will help him but would hate to have to pay him 12.75 mil for the next 2 years if he is on the downside at 29.
http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2010
I was trying to think of somebody with really bad legs. As opposed to Tina Turner.
I don’t know why but I thought of Winston Churchill. He probably had bad legs right?
GreenBeret7 July 23rd, 2010 at 1:15 pm
You don?t think that NYYs will give up top talent for Haren and then let him walk away after 2 years for nothing, do you?
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I think you worry about that 2 years from now.
Who knows, maybe 2 years from now one of your A ball pitchers will be show ready and the Yankees can go with him and get some draft picks for Haren.
And if not, Haren will be what, 32 at that point? So you pick up his option and see where you stand with him the next year.
If the club was willing to part with Montero for a guy they were going to have to pay big money to keep after 1 year then why wouldn’t they make that same investment in a top pitcher that would be under their control for a couple of years. And yes, Danny Haren is a top pitcher.
Everyone obviously knows Haren is having a bad season right now.
If you are putting a package of prospects together though + taking on all the money owed to him you are betting his raw numbers are not a reflection of his true talent.
You are betting on him coming out of whatever he is going through whether it is bad luck, a funk, etc. and pitching like he has the 3 years prior.
The attractive thing about Haren for 2007-2009 is not just his ERA. It is the combination of his ERA and the amount of innings he pitches.
In 2009 he had a 3.14 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, 223 Ks, and 6.9 innings per start for a total of 229 innings.
He is a very valuable pitcher if more of 2009 Dan Haren shows up and not 2010.
Harentitis can spread
To those who worry too much
Can’t enjoy the games
I need to think about this edition of GTLU.
Upstate Kate is right- there are lots to factor.
(And I hope your son’s ex gf loves SUNY Albany as much as I did)
Phil-
That’s why you do your due dilligence and think about it.
The Yankee brass would have to decide that before they would move on him.
Want my personal opinion (I’ll give it anyway) ?
I don’t think so.
You don?t think that NYYs will give up top talent for Haren and then let him walk away after 2 years for nothing, do you?
- Greenberet7-
Its not like we’d be giving up the whole farm . .The Yanks are stacked down below .and alot of those players are blocked. Plus you’d have to remind Arizona that we’d be taking Harens money and contract off there hands.
Bronx Jeers July 23rd, 2010 at 1:19 pm
I was trying to think of somebody with really bad legs. As opposed to Tina Turner.
I don?t know why but I thought of Winston Churchill. He probably had bad legs right?
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LOL.. when people think of Churchill, “bad legs” are always the first thing mentioned
I wouldn’t imagine that a package for Haren would be terribly expensive. It’s basically a salary dump in a down year for him.
But are you looking for a bandage or a facelift? I would think that we just need to get through the next month.
Well, Mama Cass Elliott and Kate Smith dispelled the myth that cowboys loved fat calves.
Jeter-SS
Swisher-RF
Tex-DH
ARod-3B
Cano-2B
Posada-C
Granderson-CF
Miranda-1B
Gardner-LF
New thread
Yankees add Steinbrenner tribute in right field
Bad legs? Monique. I leave this one in this thread.
Mike Ri -
And to further your point, if the Yankees have a rotation of CC, Haren, Lee, Hughes and AJ then they won’t need to rely on this latest crop of “can’t miss guys” to fill the rotation.
Hey if a guy’s struggling in the powerhouse of the NL West usually a fresh start in the wimpy AL East is all he needs.
i agree Chip !
new thread
Haren’s not on the downside.
He probably hit a wall and possibly needs a long break or a mechanical tweak to regain his former dominance.
He’s in the middle of his 6th consecutive 200 IP season.
He’s on pace for 238 innings.
Like I said earlier, he knows how to pitch. He’s proven. He’s effective. He gives length. BUT, he gives up the HR.
He’s basically a more mentally stable version of Javier Vazquez.
I’d prefer Pettitte for one season over two seasons of Haren. And it’s really not that close.
Pettitte may be 38 yr old but he’s as battle tested in this league and in this town as anyone in the majors.
Haren’s stuff has diminished significantly. Not a good investment at all.
Arizona doesn’t want players that are 3-4 years away. They want talent that they can use right now and at the latest, next year. If they are trading Haren, you can bet that Snyder, Young, Johnson and Drew are being traded to restock the bi clb and farm. That means a catcher like Cervelli or Romine, a shortstop like Eduardo Nunez, and pitchers like Chamberlain, Nova, Noesi, Warren and Phelps are among the group they’ll want.
Bronx-
Haren has been very successful in the AL East in the recent past.
He is not just a product of the NL. He is having a bad year.
Does it mean he is on the decline, or he can’t pick up again ?
I would say no. He’s only 29-30. He might be a very good buy low type candidate. Then again, maybe not. That’s for Cash to decide.
***big club*** and farm
GF-
I see Haren as the eventual replacement for Javy not Andy.
Why do we place so much significance on round numbers? Soon A-Rod will be the 7th member of the 600 HR club. He’s already the 7th member of the 599 club, the 598 club, the 597 club… the 587 club. But for the 600th, we’ll have specially marked balls and standing ovations.
Silly.
Bronx Jeers July 23rd, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Maybe you meant FDR instead!