Postgame notes: The pursuit begins
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Jul 23, 2010 
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Alex Rodriguez said he could feel the difference between his seventh-inning at-bat and his eighth-inning at-bat. He could hear the crowd. He could see the flash bulbs. He saw the umpires put a specially marked ball into play. Rodriguez said his approach was the same but, “I was a little bit more excited.”
And so the pursuit for home run No. 600 began. After hitting No. 599 in the seventh inning — actually a pretty big home run in the course of the game — Rodriguez settled for an RBI double in the eighth.
“I’m going hit it,” Rodriguez said. “And when I hit it, I hope like tonight it’s going to count for a win.”
Back in 2007, Rodriguez went 28 at-bats between No. 499 and 500, but Rodriguez said he was a different guy back then. He’s been saying for more than a year now that he’s changed as a person, and tonight he said he’s changed as a player after winning a World Series.
“Night and day,” he said. “A lot has changed. I’m enjoying the game more now than I ever have. I get enjoyment out of the little things, playing the team game and not trying to do too much, and having the perspective that I have now after winning a world championship with this team. There’s really no comparison of a team accomplishment to a personal accomplishment. They’re great and nice, but I have a much better perspective now…
“Early in my career I loved winning and I loved to win, but it was about accumulating numbers and hoping you got to the postseason. Now it’s just about one goal, and along the way you hope to get big home runs and drive in runs to help us win.”
Maybe that’s just Rodriguez trying to say the right thing, and maybe none of it matters anyway, but he seems comfortable with his place on the edge of history. The fact he doubled to right center in his first attempt seemed to be a sign of not pressing or trying to overdo it.
Only six hitters in major league history have been where he is now. They all hit No. 600 eventually. Here’s Rodriguez talking after the game.
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• Neither Derek Jeter nor Joe Girardi remembered that Jeter’s only other inside-the-park home run came with Girardi on base. Someone suggested that Jeter probably caught up to Girardi on the bases. Jeter laughed and said two words. “Write that.”
• Brett Gardner was the first Yankees left fielder to have two assists in a game since Melky Cabrera in 2006. Nick Swisher had two assists from right field earlier this year.
• CC Sabathia is the first American League pitcher to reach 13 wins. “He had given up seven hits after the first two innings, and that’s a lot of hits for CC in a game,” Girardi said. “He found a way to get it done tonight, and that’s the mark of a good pitcher.”
• After allowing three runs before getting his fourth out, Sabathia retired 11 of the next 12 batters… He is undefeated in his past 17 Yankee Stadium starts, which Elias says in the longest home winning streak in the majors… He extended his career-high homeless streak to 66 innings.
• Girardi on Jorge Posada’s run-scoring throwing error in the sixth: “At times as players we’re going to make reads that are incorrect. His idea is to hold the guy there, and obviously he saw a bigger lead than maybe there was.”
• Another nice performance by Dave Robertson who shut the door in the seventh, stranding two runners. It was a one-run game at the time. “He’s done it a couple of times this home stand for us,” Girardi said. “We think he’s going in the right direction and that’s real important for us because he was a huge part of our bullpen last season.”
• Girardi on Joba Chamberlain’s scoreless eighth when he allowed two infield singles and a walk but stranded the bases loaded: “Bottom line is he got the job done, and he was not hit hard that inning. He’s given up some infield singles the last couple of outings. It’s not what you want to see, but the bottom line is he got the job done. I’m sure he would enjoy some easier innings.”
• Someone asked Girardi whether the team was giving Jeter a hard time after his inside-the-park homer, and Girardi’s answer was most unexpected. “We were more concerned about Swish,” he said. Turns out — maybe it was on TV, but I certainly didn’t notice it — Nick Swisher was hit in the nose by the umpire on the play. Pretty random.
Associated Press photos of Rodriguez before his last at-bat and Jeter after his inside-the-park home run.
Imagine if the Suxers end up losing this game. This is getting to be fun!
trisha
With pap on the mound also
This could be fun.
it would be soooooo sweet to watch them blow this
great post on the yanks…anyone want to discuss this here? ir should we save it for another time? http://grouchman.com/1/post/20.....l#comments
carl – they are looking like keystone cops in the field!!! This could be a blast with smear on the mound and nobody out!
GO M’S!
Montero > Smoak
Kotchman!!
Smoak = Z’s folly.
And passed a diving Youk….
This is awesome. Wasn’t Bard once with the Sux?
Papelbon hasn’t been lights out for sometime now…….
Jack Wilson is horrible
Even sweeter if the Sux get within an out and then get creamed – though I’d take it any way it happened!
“Maybe that’s just Rodriguez trying to say the right thing, and maybe none of it matters anyway, but he seems comfortable with his place on the edge of history. ”
Even if that’s true (which I doubt), the mere fact that he now realizes what the right thing to say is basically confirms that he is indeed a different guy.
Notice Papelsmear’s three part move before each pitch- shoulders up, breathe out, make like a fish.
Just beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
trisha,
Saw your note. Sorry to hear that he’s been bothering you. I’ll keep that in mind. Having said that, I couldn’t let the (no pun intended) unsavory comment about you go unaddressed.
Any chance Josh Wilson boards the plane with the Sawx when they leave?
Oh, that was just awesome! Who was that error on? Hall?
Oh yes they did!
LOL AT THE RED SOX. DEFENSE AND PITCHING??? haha
yes!!!!!
mel, I thank you for that by the way. That support really felt good.
what happen can’t tell
I think it was on Hall. However their whole infield started to fall apart this inning!
Do we want the bullpens to battle it out? Or go for the outright win? I kind of want this to go on for another hour or so.
Wow. 6-1 entering the 9th and that happens. That’s awful.
major blow if they lose this
It would be nice if Figgins won it, he KILLS us.
Dan in Philly, I guarantee you there are still one or two posters here who still believe the Sux are the real deal.
I’ll never understand it.
Anyone just see Pete in the stands?
mel, I’d rather see the M’s have a walk off.
tie game, gameday isn’t updating
However, it may not happen that way…
Ach, that ball to figgins was outside to Figgins too.
Gameday said it was borderline. Seattle feed showing it outside. Eyeballing it, it looked wide.
Oh no. This means Lackey doesn’t get a win.
Darn.
Well im going to bed, but its nice to know the Sox are now in a do or die game and no matter what we’re up 7. I’m greedy though, i want to put them out of the race by July 31. Nite everyone.
Lots of consternation in the Sux clubhouse regarding Ellsbury, with horrid Pukey leading the charge against him.
Eric, sleep well with the knowledge that you don’t have to wait ’til the 31st to see them out of the race. Think tonight.
Aw shucks.
West coasters should be glad Lackey didn’t get the no-no. I don’t know if the west coast could survive any cracking in Lackey’s voice if he got emotional.
Wright robbed on that curveball.
mowed down, lets end this
But gets the call for the punchout.
Imagine getting to the 8th inning with a potential no hitter – and with a healthy lead – and then actually getting a no decision?
Aw.
Tricia, we’re hoping that with registration in place that some of the unsavory humps that invaded the LoHud will be weeded out…..No one has been a greater target than yourself, so I do hope that chapter has closed……They’ll always be disagreements amongst the membership, but the personal snipes are getting vulgar……You’re a tough cookie and I have great admiration for you in that regard……
I can’t believe I missed the Mariners come back. I was watching and it was 6-1 in the 8th and I figured the game was over so I turned it off. Then espn starts talking about this big comeback. Hopefully the Mariners can finish this one off. It seems like Bard pitches every night.
Pat M – one beat in particular has not been skipped. You still remain my hero.
I’d love to see Bradley end this just because he has such a bad boy image that it would be sweet to see him as the hero instead of the angry goat.
We will be cheated out of the Bard vs. Bard matchup.
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer team.
That was a pretty sweet choke job by the Red Sox. Hopefully the Mariners can finish them off. Our west coast trip to Oakland and Seattle was a bit less painful, no?
And about Arod, I definitely think he’s evolved over the past few years and his mind is in a much, much better place now. Remember in 2006 when he basically hit rock bottom and everyone expected him to strikeout or pop up with runners in scoring position? And then when he got off to a hot start in 2007, people acted like it was a miracle that he was suddenly hitting game-winning homeruns (except he was still called Mr. April). Now when he gets clutch hits, I don’t even blink. I actually want him up at the plate with the game on the line. And the fans never boo him anymore. It’s really been a complete turn-around for Arod, and I’m so glad for that because there’s a lot less negativity in this team.
Let’s go Mariners!!
Smoak is much better right handed I think. Maybe he’ll walk off here.
I really like Smoak. You can tell how much he’s thought of to be a major part of the Cliff Lee deal.
Smoak blows!
How in the hell did the Mariners score 5 runs in 1 inning?
Obviously the longer this game goes the Sox have the advantage. It might take the Mariners another 4-5 innings to score a run.
What a shame the Sox have to blow through their bullpen the night before Beckett makes his first start coming off 2 months on the DL. Just a terrible shame.
Smoak is much better right handed I think. Maybe he’ll walk off here.
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Smoak is terrible right handed, and should probably stop being a switch hitter and just hit lefty.
“How in the hell did the Mariners score 5 runs in 1 inning?”
They mortgaged the next 8 games.
I have faith in the Sux ability to lose this game no matter how long it takes.
Good night all. I will continue to watch this and keep the good vibes flowing in the direction of the M’s.
Just a stinking shame.
“I’m in a different place right now, a much better place.”
To which Derek Jeter sardonically replied, “He’s in a different place. Across the street.”
I love Derek but he needs to save the snark for a different time.
Always enjoyed the ‘strike zone’ graphic to show the location of a pitch. YES doesn’t do this. Has the reason been posted? They certainly could afford it.
# Jerkface July 23rd, 2010 at 1:30 am
Smoak is much better right handed I think. Maybe he’ll walk off here.
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Smoak is terrible right handed, and should probably stop being a switch hitter and just hit lefty.
wow.
Come on Ichi the Killer.
That Ichiro chant doesn’t quite work.
wooo Ichiro
I can smell it!
Come on Angry Gamer.
I mean… um… Lopez.
Funny if Lopez hits a Grand Slam.
Can’t decide how I want my win. HBP? Passed ball? Wild pitch? IF single? HR?
Or pops it up
Oh, the pain!
Who said they wanted Milton Bradley to win it?
Wow this team sucks.
Or not. Ugh, first pitch pop up. Brutal.
Seriously?
Are you kidding?! Yankees scout thinking, “I traveled 2000 miles to see this? It’s the same damn thing!”
The Mariners are absolutely pathetic. Swinging at the 1st pitch? Lopez only hits Joba…
Seattle lineup blows!
Someone we don’t like is going to lose this game. So at least we’ve got that.
This team is where they are in the standings because of innings like that….
Boston deserves to lose for giving up 5 in the 9th and Seattle deserves to lose for not scoring in the 12th.
Good night.
Wow…got lucky on that one…
Criminy that was close. GIDP now!
…or pop out to 3B.
Are you kidding me. Turning this garbage off. Night all.
Of course AAA Patterson gets the hit. Pathetic…
CRAP!!!!!!!!!!
Can Papelbon come in again to blow it?
Time to get out of mom’s basement and get some zzzzzzzz!
Well, the Mariners blew their chance when they didn’t score in the 12th inning. But what’s with the pitcher throwing 4 straight curveballs to Patterson?
I blame Jack Z.
That’s Garret Olsen formerly of the Orioles. We’ve benefitted greatly from his pitching.
Oh, well. The Sox were supposed to win this one anyway. At least Lackey got a no-decision instead of a no-hitter. And they had to blow up their bullpen.
And the Sox are still, what 7 back in the loss column?
A win like that is almost as deflating as a loss plus they burned out their bullpen.
As a yankee fan I got my pleasure from seeing them choke like that. Losing would have only been the icing on the cake.
Caption contest:
http://riveraveblues.com/wp-co.....124318.jpg
Mo, can I have your autograph?
Even in death, George Steinbrenner is still beating the government.
Because the 45 percent estate tax lapsed at the end of 2009 — and won’t return at a higher rate of up to 55 percent until 2011 — Steinbrenner’s family is avoiding a tax payment of about $500 million.
That’s a lotta cheese and, as you can imagine, the New York taxpayers who footed the bill for his billion-dollar ego-gratifying ballpark in the Bronx aren’t too happy with the situation.
In fact, there’s so much chatter about it in New York that Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner was posed this question in Washington on Thursday.
Should the Steinbrenner family make a voluntary contribution to the United States treasury?
From the New York Daily News:
“It’s an excellent question,” a smiling Geithner said Thursday.
Geithner didn’t go any further than that, most likely because it was actually a ridiculous question and he realizes there isn’t a soul in American who’s offering to pay taxes that don’t exist in the current code. However, he did go on to say that he’s upset that Congress allowed a situation where the families of billionaires are somehow better off financially if their rich patriarchs die in 2010.
At any rate, Hal and Hank have to be relieved they won’t have to resort to selling off their share of the Yankees so they can afford that now non-existent bill from Uncle Sam.
And as It Is High, It Is Far points out, those savings will be more than enough to pay Albert Pujols(notes), Cliff Lee(notes) AND Carl Crawford(notes) in coming seasons. As usual, The Boss wins again.
good for GMS, always looking out for the Yankees
While I am not that well versed in tax law I understand that one of the flip sides of the elimination of federal estate tax in 2010 was also the loss of the stepped up basis rules.
So while there may be no estate tax, there may be stiff capital gains taxes.
Maybe someone can enlighten us more on this and the impact on the Steinbrenner family
Capital gains if they were to sell perhaps.
Nobody has sold.
The latest buzz is that the Yankees are looking for starting pitching.
Some of the posible targets have included Haren, Westbrook and others.
Apparently, in the current market environment, it may be be easier and more practical to do that than to pay thru the nose for a reliever.
The strategy would appear to be to move Mitre back to the BP replace him with another starter and return Hughes to the BP later in the season.
Acquiring a starter covers some of the weakness in the BP and adds insurance to the Starting pitching staff for the stretch run.
Joba’s name has been brought up in conjunction with some of this.
This is is just for the sake of discussion but I wonder how other GM’s
might perceive Joba ?
Personally, I think he is probably thought of as a classic buy low high upside project type. I wonder if any GM’s would bite on that.
“After allowing three runs before getting his fourth out, Sabathia retired 11 of the next 12 batters… He is undefeated in his past 17 Yankee Stadium starts, which Elias says in the longest home winning streak in the majors… He extended his career-high homeless streak to 66 innings.”
..after all the money CC makes and what he’s done for NY, he should never be homeless!..lol
Oh. And I forgot to wish all of you early birds a good morning.
I would imagine that the estate tax covered the passing of the estate to the children, because the team was not sold so no capital gain tax.
Jmo.
Ron – it’s true they aren’t selling now, but I don’t know if the 2010 basis rules will apply if and when they do in future years
Good morning MTU.
Ron-
Would you do this trade ?
JC, Adams, and Nova for Danny Haren.
It will depend on exactly how the tax code is written.
Iam sure that the yankees are as well protected as they can possibly be.
I think overall . .the Yanks are in good shape . I would like to seem them grab a pitcher. Haren or Westbrook would be nice. I was all for bullpen help . .But Robertson seems to have turned the corner . Abby has pitched well in Scranton and nothing left to prove down there…….Mitre and Hughes will be back there soon. Plus Ace isn’t offically done yet.
Mike-
I think we should get used to the idea because it looks like that’s where the yankees might be headed.
Would you make the trade I proposed ?
good morning MTU
I still have hopes that Joba will improve. watching him these days is like watching Farnsworth, I get the same feeling in the pit of my stomach. He is so predictable, get ahead 0-2 or 1-2, then throw 2 or 3 balls out of the zone, which the batter never chases.
John Heyman coming up soon on the WFAN. . ( some trade news )
MTU
Good morning.
The Acadia trip is on.
I am sharpening my chisel an finding some stone tablets so I can show some of the sights.
I’m making a big sacrifice because all I’ll get to see for baseball is the RS.
It will be worth it to watch them lose.
MTU . . i’d pull it ! . . Haren this year . .Lee next. goodness what a staff that would be
BTW, Alex’s #599 HR was the 1st story of the day on sports center…no snarkiness either.
I think the top capital gains tax rate is 15 % on the appreciation since the boss bought it .
Kate-
You know how I have felt about Joba. I have been one of his most ardent supporters but maybe a trade like the one mentioned above would be good for everyone concerned ? Maybe the time has come ?
And I totally agree with you about the farnsworth analogy with the proviso that JC has four pitches to work with rather than just 2.
JC is enormously talented but his mechanics are out of wack, and he is not repeating his delivery right now. No one is exactly sure how to get it corrected, or even IF it can be corrected.
Maybe a chnge of scenery would be good for everybody concerned.
Just a thought, and a topic for discussion in a theoretical sort of way.
MTU July 23rd, 2010 at 8:06 am
Ron-
Would you do this trade ?
JC, Adams, and Nova for Danny Haren
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no.
Who knows what harren will be in the al,not sure his salary,not sur how good nova is & it weekens the pen.
Since George probably couldn’t have foreseen a tax loophole being in place for him when he was doing his estate planning years ago, I’m going to guess he put one of his own in place to cover all his bases.
People with a lot less money than George set up life insurance trusts that upon their death pay a beneficiary an amount to cover estate taxes or capital gains so no assets have to be liquidated in haste.
The rich get richer by planning not by accident.
Maine-
The Sox came within inches of losing again last night. There are many similarities between them and the “hindenburg” or the “Titanic”.
Anyway, have a great time and get your wife to educate you on how to snap some photo’s.
Mike-
Thanks for your opinion. Care to expand on why you think that is a good trade for both sides ?
Get greinke.
You just heard it he is available.
Montero,joba,etc….
pat – good point
“BTW, Alex’s #599 HR was the 1st story of the day on sports center…no snarkiness either.”
The hour of MLB Network last night that I saw led the Yankee highlights with Jeter’s inside the parker, showed Alex’s HR but attached no number to it.
Ron-
If it were me I would make that trade.
To: Jorge ( I am a catcher and not a DH) Posada—-The roses are in full bloom right now. Time to take a whiff, or two, or a hundred.
ron
Haren has pitched in the AL and did well.
Ron-
Even if Greinke were available which I don’t believe he is could he handle the “bright lights” and pressure in NY with his “history” ?
Maine-
Would you pull the trigger on that trade I posed above ?
MTU -
Heres why i think its a good trade for the Yanks ( Haren )
Nova is tripple A starter. But he’s blocked. CC is here for 4 years , Aj is here for another 4 years , Hughes is here for a while , Cliff Lee , we all can assume will be here next season .. Thats four, Assuming Vasquez and Pettite don’t return . .Haren would be in the rotation . .making it 5 .
And is does not hurt our bullpen becaus Nova isn’t pitching out of the yankee pen this year. They’ll keep in Scranton to build up his arm and innings.
Adams is blocked at 2b . . ( Cano )
get joba out of here…he can’t put anyone away ….this guy will blowup in the playoffs
Mike-
But what about the risk of moving Chamberlain ?
What if he blossoms ?
Are you willing to take THAT risk ?
I’m not trading Montero for a pitcher. They’re too fragile.
Rich-
No one is discussing trading Jesus. See my hypothetical above.
2011
CC
Lee
Haren
AJ
Andy
Hughes
What’s wrong with this picture?
# MTU July 23rd, 2010 at 8:28 am
Mike-
But what about the risk of moving Chamberlain ?
What if he blossoms ?
Are you willing to take THAT risk ?
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never will happen, the guy is a head case on the mound
From what i took out of heymans bit was that the royals said he was available.Now i doubt they trade him but cash should go to them with an offer.
I would trade for haren but would not give up montero,betances.
I am also not sure how the yankees feel about nova.
If nova is no big deal i might do it.
Also with an anxiety disorder it usually has nothing to do with where you play or live it is a chemical inbalance & he is on medication.
It happened to him in kc,what does that tell you?
MTU
ron July 23rd, 2010 at 8:21 am
Get greinke.
You just heard it he is available.
Montero,joba,etc….
MTU -
I would remove Chamberlain in that deal ,, and replace him with another prospect ,, ( i’d like to also remind Arizona that we are eating Harens contract ) …However if Arizona is insisting on Joba .. i’d have to sleep on it .
Ron-
“It happened to him in kc,what does that tell you?”
That he will be even MORE prone to it in a place like NYS.
the guy (joba) can’t relax on the mound…
Nova just recently started cranking it up to 97, as someone posted here a day or two ago. Not a guy you want to trade now.
Pat
the little bit of coverage I saw on the mlb network was Mitch Williams saying he didn’t care about Alex’s HR numbers b/c he cheated.
Rich-
Greinke is premier. No dount about that.
My only concern would be his “history” and how that might be affected by the pressure cooker of New York.
Just because he is on medication does not mean that NY is the place for him. It may make the problem considerably worse medication or not.
That said, He would be a guy you move top prospects for.
By the way, I don’t believe anything Heyman says. He is a lapdog.
btw, Heyman was just on WFAN and he said that two days ago the Royals only wanted to trade Farnsworth and Guillen. Now they say they will trade anyone, so he’s skeptical.
Here’s the link to the post about Nova’s newfound gas:
http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/yankees/?p=6198
when he starts playing with that hat and jorge going out to the mound after every pitch….he’s a train wreck
RJ-
Just because a pitcher can throw 97 , doesn’t mean much at the pro level ,, he has to pitch, But for a proven pitcher like Haren . .you might have to consider it ?
RJ-
Nova and Noesi are interchangeable. If he brings you Haren I would do it. In a nanosecond. JMO
What’s wrong with this picture?
2011
CC
Lee
Haren/Greinke
AJ
Andy
Hughes
Don’t be condescending Mike. Of course the radar isn’t the only thing that’s important, but this is a guy whose ceiling was limited to some only because he didn’t miss bats. You miss a lot more bats at 96-97 than you do at 93 like he was throwing before, especially if he retains his excellent location.
Bret-
Everybody knows AP is retiring after the season.
Maybe you trade him, but not as a throw-in to a 3 for 1 deal.
MTU
I would trade Montero for Hanley Raiirez or someone similar (a name doesn’t come to mind). IOW, a top tier position player under 30, preferably on who can play SS, 3B, and the OF because A-Rod and Jeter’s potential age-related declines are this team’s biggest vulnerability. That’s it. As I said, pitchers are too fragile.
I really don’t want to trade Montero until I’m certain that he can’t catch even 80 games a year. I think he has at least .950 OPS potential, and a player like that has tremendous value even if he has to DH.
The crowd that’s calling for Greinke forgets that he has an anxiety disorder that probably would not play well in the bright lights of the big city.
Rj -
i wasnt’ trying to be condescending . But we’ve all seen young flame throwers get slammed up here .. I’m sure he’s not the only hard thrower the Yanks have on the farm. For someone like Haren .. i’d personally consider Nova in a trade
Rich-
If Montero would help get you Greinke or similar you have to do that trade.
Halladay=Lee=Greinke.
I’m not saying Nova’s untouchable, just that if he’s turning it on now he should be more valuable than the third piece of that trade.
MTU July 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 am
Bret-
Everybody knows AP is retiring after the season.
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If the Yankees add Haren or Greinke or any other established starter contracted beyond 2010, then it’s a dead giveaway.
Andy Pettitte is retiring.
MTU
I wouldn’t.
RJ-
As good as Nova might be he is totally replaceable within the Yankees system.
For example:
Phelps
Noesi
Warren
Etc.
IIRC, Greinke has said he does not want to pitch in NY.
MTU, I agree that they’re loaded with similar pitchers on the mL level. But read that article – he’s a different pitcher lately. So, sub one of the other guys on your list into that trade and I’d do it. I just wouldn’t trade Nova right now. JMHO, whatever.
Rich-
You are entitled to your opinion and I respect it. And I love Montero too but I would do that trade as long as I was convinced Greinke could handle NY.
For me, great young starting pitching trumps just about anything else.
For instance, I would make the same trade if seattle would make King Felix available for Montero and others (they wouldn’t).
RJ-
That’s fine with me. They can pick from a list of potential candidates.
No one has to be fixated on Nova. I just used him as an example.
Mike, I don’t think you’re getting it on Nova. He was a good prospect on the AAA level, and recently has added 3-4 MPH while retaining his location. That’s significant. As I just wrote to MTU, I’d make that trade subbing another young starter for Nova.
Nice, however, that we can have these sort of discussion about the Yankees mL prospects. It wasn’t always that way….
I wonder what KC would say if Cashman offered Jesus Montero + Joba Chamberlain + Eduardo Nunez + Ian Nova + David Adams.
Do you think Greinke would suddenly become available if he isn’t right now?
MTU
I’m not much for trying to decide on trades.
I haven’t seen Haren enough to know how well he pitches now.
Joba is the one I’m not sure how I feel about trading.
Kate-
This is all theoretical and mainly for the purposes of discussion.
No one really knows who might be available.
people’s thought processes are interesting in that light.
MTU July 23rd, 2010 at 8:50 am
Rich-
You are entitled to your opinion and I respect it. And I love Montero too but I would do that trade as long as I was convinced Greinke could handle NY.
For me, great young starting pitching trumps just about anything else.
For instance, I would make the same trade if seattle would make King Felix available for Montero and others (they wouldn’t).
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HEY! Maybe that’s why the Yankees were scouting the M’s-Sox last night – we have a King Felix trade in the works! If you’re gonna dream, dream big.
I personally cannot wait until the trade deadline comes and goes.
Bret The Hitman July 23rd, 2010 at 8:52 am
I wonder what KC would say if Cashman offered Jesus Montero + Joba Chamberlain + Eduardo Nunez + Ian Nova + David Adams.
Do you think Greinke would suddenly become available if he isn’t right now
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And we’re getting Soria in that trade too, right?
RJ
Nice, however, that we can have these sort of discussion about the Yankees mL prospects. It wasn?t always that way?.
- i agree !
Bret-
You’re kidding, right ? Just yanking everyone’s chain as usual.
but on the off chance you’re not I’ll bite.
1) Cash would never offer that much in a package.
2) The KC manager should trip over himself to do that.
Bret
What did you put in your coffee this am?
I guess you value Greinke more than I do and hopefully more than the Yankees do.
RJ,
It’s funny but we have the chips for that kind of blockbuster.
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Speaking of trade deadline, what I loved from that Jayson Stark/Sox post was that he thought it was great that the Sox were in third place because they could block any Yankees or Rays waiver deals after the deadline.
He’s a glass-is-an-eigth full kind of guy.
RJ-
The thought crossed my mind but I don’t think Cash and Z-man will be doing buisness anytime soon. They are not exactly best buds.
Maine Yankee -
I’m in your camp, both with regard to trying to figure out trades and being leery of trading Joba just yet if at all.
MTU,
I was driving home a point.
Greinke is available because if we want him badly enough we have plenty to get him.
It doesn’t matter what Heyman thinks.
Bret-
Yo comprendo.
Maine-
That is why I asked ? I can certainly understand the uncertainty with regard to trading Joba.
Interesting note -
The 2nd place Rays open up a 3-game series against the Indians in Cleveland. The Rays haven’t won a game in Cleveland since 9/28/05 when they beat Cliff Lee and the Indians 1-0.
It was Lou Piniella’s final victory as the then Devil Rays manager.
Since then, the Rays have played 17 games in Cleveland and lost them all. It’s the longest current losing streak by any team at another team’s home field.
Thanks Doreen.
I more enjoy watching the games and leave the deals to the ones that have the inside info to help decide a trade.
It’s hard to sit at your computer and try to decide what trades make sense when you only have part of the info.
I would trade for King Felix over Greinke, but history shows that Cash is better at developing prospects than making trades.
Of course there is a lot of hype around the 600th — and rightly so. Only six players are in the 600 club. I don’t hear much at all about Alex joining the 300-300 club. There are also only six players who have ever done that. Alex has 299 career stolen bases, but only two of those steals came this year. He has had very few attempted steals this season — many fewer than any other season in his career.