All quiet in the Bronx
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 24, 2010 
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There is no lineup posted. There is no indication of a player move to activate Sergio Mitre. There is no sign of Dan Haren.
All quiet in the Yankees clubhouse this morning. Literally five reporters standing around in a room where Nick Johnson is putting on his shoes. It has to get more lively than this, but so far, this is it.
Make sure Nick Johnson doesnt pull an ab muscle putting on said shoes
Too bad those shoes are dress shoes & not cleats.
So…..
I guess this means Joba is no longer “nothing more than a throw-in” in the eyes of fans?
How quickly things change.
You mean a GM actually values Joba as the centerpiece of a deal for an established all-star starting pitcher under 30 in a market where there are multiple suitors for that all-star?
You mean, within one weeks time Joba not longer has “absolutely zero trade value”?
One things for certain.
This attention can only benefit the Yankees because it proves value and announces to all of MLB that Joba is not a hopeless case and there is at least one team out there who believes they might be able to fix him.
The longer this draws out, the greater the chance that other teams in need of cost-controlled young starting pitchers will come out of the wood works as secret Joba fans and possibly engage the Yankees in talks.
Sure, AZ can use this drawn out process to shop Haren but the Yankees can play the same game with Joba.
I found it especially interesting that AZ is playing down expectations for Joba’s performance ability. They had one of their guys come out and say that Joba could step right in and be a closer. There was absolutely no mention or passing thought of rebuilding him into a starter even though you know and I know…we all know…the team that trades for Joba sees him as a potential starter so the first thing they’re gonna do is lay out a path to make him one again.
How many teams still view Joba as a potential starter?
At least one.
It could be more.
We shall see.
Cashman is smart to stall.
What’s Nick Johnson’s batting average again?
SJ
My husband and daughter are going today and it is going to be a scorcher.
Yankees management are probably in no hurry for 600 to happen. 40,000 stayed through a monsoon last night. Concessions, concessions, concessions.
It will happen but collecting wins is more important than HRs.
SI_JonHeyman #yankees willing to include nova, mcallister and 2 prospects for dan haren, will not eat $ and give up joba. still talking.
9 minutes ago via web
The Yankees are nuts if they trade Joba this early in his development.
Can you imagine if we signed vlad???
Nobody really wants Joba. For any trading partner, he would just be a body to take up some innings (and a lot of space) until the prospects are ready.
SI_JonHeyman #yankees willing to include nova, mcallister and 2 prospects for dan haren, will not eat $ and give up joba. still talking.
SI_JonHeyman #yankees would pay the $33 mil left on haren, but they have balked at taking chad qualls, chris snyder, too.
BobKlap #Yanks refusing to include Joba in any potential swap for Haren. Talks are ongoing. #Diamondbacks
As said in the last thread, AJAX, Kennedy and others performing well with their respective new teams is very good for the Yankees. Reinforces the idea that the Yankees can churn out very good ball players.
Add to that Curtis playing very nicely in his role. Gardner excelling this year. Russo, Miranda, Hughes, Pena, Cervelli, and even Albie the last two times out and it is a remarkable haul in just a couple of years from the farm system.
What is even better, is that some of the really, really high end players are just coming through AA and AAA now.
Next year’s AA and AAA staffs might have: Phelps, Nova, Warren, Brackman, Betances, Banuelos, Noesi, etc. The roster will include major league ready players: Montero, Romine, Adams, Nunez, Joseph, Laird, Vazquez, etc.
All of the above in no particular order. Again an amazing array of talent.
Five reporters anxiously waiting to see how Nick Johnson can injure himself putting on his shoes.
Haren is worth nothing more than prospects……..and I wonder if Arizona letting out that the Yankees are in it (the bidding) is to drive up what they can get for Haren. Does Seattle sound familiar?
Wasn’t it just about 15 days ago that we were all fitting Cliff Lee for his new Yankees uniform? All this speculation about trades is ridiculous.
With all the interest the Yankees have in Haren and Cliff Lee’s impending free agency, which most people believe will end with him signing in the Bronx, is it more likely than not the Yankee brass has approached Pettitte about his retirement?
I mean, that has to be a factor in their decision making with these proposed moves for SP.
Anybody have thoughts?
pat July 24th, 2010 at 9:50 am
BobKlap #Yanks refusing to include Joba in any potential swap for Haren. Talks are ongoing. #Diamondbacks
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Wow.
Joba, even in his lowly state, has approached “untouchable” status?
How much of these trades for a starting pitcher is driven by the bullpen and Hughes?
I can envision a scenario that if the Yankees trade for Haren, then Phil is a starter until Pettite comes back. When Andy returns Phil is likely very near his innings limit.
Pettite back to the rotation and Phil to the bullpen which will really shore up the bridge to MO for the stretch run and playoffs.
So…
Does Joba get weird looks in the clubhouse today?
Gonna be awkward.
one thing of note that is completely missing in these conversations is that the Yankees already have a 4 game lead over the Rays and 8 in the loss column over the Sox.
With the remainder of the homestand against the Royals and Indians, the lead conceivably could be 5-6 games before the series against the Rays and 6-7 games after the series is complete. All they really need to do is take care of business for the next couple of weeks and all the talk about Phil and the bullpen is pretty much a moot point since there wouldn’t be much of a pennant race left.
Good morning everyone!
I passed out when the game ended last night and slept a solid 10 hours. It felt nice
However, I am very sad to report that I did not win the mega millions last night
Joba, even in his lowly state, has approached “untouchable” status?
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Bret,
Maybe only “untouchable” for Haren, but not for another player.
So…
Does Joba get weird looks in the clubhouse today?
Gonna be awkward.
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The team is going to be saying keep pitching like crap,i dare you..
Erica,
Were there any winning tickets in the mega millions?
Breaking news~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nick johnson pulls muscle in face attempting to smile.
I dont think anyone on here is fitting Haren for pinstripes. Lee was different; the media basically told us that deal was done.
Bret, this why the yanks unwillingness to trade Joba is surprising. They found a team that still values him at a high level. They should make the move now. Maybe cash is holding out to see if they can make the move without him…but if Joba truly is the sticking point, you have to let him go.
Buster_ESPN To be clear: The Yankees do not value Haren as much as they valued Cliff Lee a couple of weeks ago. They look at Haren as a somewhat risky proposition, because of his performance this year, and they are not willing to take the contract and give up a boatload of prospects.
Fran the original July 24th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Erica,
Were there any winning tickets in the mega millions?
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Nope. Its up to 24 million now
Buster_ESPN Heard this: There is currently a major split between the Mariners’ on-field staff and the front office.
On field staff wanted Montero instead of Smoak?
CountryClub July 24th, 2010 at 10:09 am
Bret, this why the yanks unwillingness to trade Joba is surprising. They found a team that still values him at a high level. They should make the move now. Maybe cash is holding out to see if they can make the move without him…but if Joba truly is the sticking point, you have to let him go.
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Cash is definitely holding out for the best deal possible with AZ.
At the same time, stalling works to his advantage.
The longer he waits, the greater the chances he finds a second suitor for Joba if he hasn’t already.
If a second team emerges who views Joba as a potential starter, things could get interesting.
One of those teams could be lurking and that’s something Cashman is probably well aware of.
All this attention paid to Joba indicates value, forcing GM’s to admit interest in him if it’s there.
Buster’s tweet makes sense. But trading Joba for a guy that’s under team control for 2 more seasons at a reasonable rate is not the same as trading Jesus for Lee on a rental.
Ariz is asking for Joba, Nova and McCallister. That’s really not a lot. But if they’re trying to make the Yanks take other dead contracts too, then that’s a different story.
Fran the original July 24th, 2010 at 10:05 am
Joba, even in his lowly state, has approached “untouchable” status?
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Bret,
Maybe only “untouchable” for Haren, but not for another player.
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I understand. It was a tongue in cheek remark meant to show the absurdity of this whole situation where Joba has gone from someone fans want to DFA to someone we don’t want to include as the centerpiece in a deal for the best starting pitcher on the market.
“However, I am very sad to report that I did not win the mega millions last night”
Join the club, Erica. Neither did I.
Bret,
That happens around here a lot. The next time Joba blows a game, he’ll be “back on the LoHud trade market”
Hoping that Joba isn’t included in a trade with the Dbacks. He can be a part of the EIG rotation (Joba,Robertson and Dejo?) until Hughes would be ready to go into the pen in mid to late September. Then they can trade Javier to a NL contender for a RH bat. Werth? I’m not a Joba fan but prospects for Haren gives Cashman some options to get a bat.
Fans are very fickle when it comes to Joba. There was a time when I would never even consider moving Joba. Now, if the offer is right, I say we do it.
Maybe cashman feels like it is a lot in addition to giving up on joba & weakening the bullpen.
If haren stinks & 2 out of 3 of nova,joba,mcCallister turn into good pitchers it not only is a lot it is too much.
What happens if we take on the 30 million with haren & he pitches to a 5.0 era & our pen get’s weakened even more & next year joba turns it around & nova turns into a stud.
Not so easy.
Hey Arizona !!. this is nothing more than a salary dump .. We are taking Harens contract and money off your hands PLUS giving you top prospects .
lets do it baby
Nice job by alby last night.
We need to pitch him in the 8th every day til we know for sure how good he is.
Wfan going into detail about the trade now.
It’s more about Haren’s contract than Joba’s “untouchable” status.
Very few teams are able to take on ANY money right now. The Yankees may be the only team able to take on 33 million dollars.
To do so, I don’t believe they will include Joba in the deal.
The ball is in AZ’s court. If they want to rid themselves of that contract, there is a prospect laden deal on the table that works for everybody.
If they don’t? They are stuck with that contract and it will be even tougher to move in the off-season.
JMO, I think they will take the Yankees offer.
They would be foolish not to at this point.
Ron,
Very true. No trade is ever a sure thing.
I am heading to the beach now
Hope everyone has a great day and lots of Happy Yankee watching!
We are having a party there tonight so I probably won’t be back until pretty late!
trade Joba.
What I don’t like about this prospective deal is that it makes Pettitte’s decision to retire for him.
Either it blocks the signing of Lee or it blocks any chance of Pettitte returning in 2011 after pitching so well this season.
It’s got to be one or the other. That is, unless Pettitte has already privately informed them that this is indeed it for him this year.
That said, I never assume a trade is going to get done. It’s never done until the team announces it.
We’ve seen talks like this many many times in the past with nothing happening in the end.
…signing off
Joba + Nova + and Yankees pay full salary remaining.
GET IT DONE.
I’d like to see the Yanks get Haren, especially if it could be done for prospects without Joba. Haren is an excellent pitcher, it would be a classic case of “buying low”.
I wouldn’t worry about next year, Haren will be moveable in the off season if the Yanks choose to do that.
I don’t think Andy’s status, as far as retirement, has anything to do with Haren at this point. Getting Haren allows the Yanks to move Hughes to the pen for the stretch run and playoffs. Don’t have to trade for bullpen help. If Andy come back, 6 starting pitchers would be a nice problem to have. That is if Lee comes to the Yanks.
Also, trading Joba right now would also be a classic case of selling low. I’d resist the urge if I were Cashman.
I just don’t see cash taking on 33 million dollars,giving up a relief pitcher on the 25 man,leaving girardi with 1 less pen opton,nova + mcCallister,maybe more,adams name is in there somewhere for a pitcher that guarantees nothing.
Lee is a guarantee,haren not.
Arizona is going nowhere while sitting on harens 33 million.They have a chance to get a nice prospect package & free up 33 million dollars.
They are the ones who are desperate not us not to mention not many teams can take on payroll if any.
Cash is a wise man.
joba’s problem is in his head….
The unemployment rate in Arizona is unfortunately hovering at around 10%. The State’s budget deficit is enormous and one of the worst in the nation. Arizona’s state economy has been intimately tied to the real estate market for years. Once that market collapsed so did the financial situation in Arizona at large.
Between 2008 and 2009 the D’Backs attendance fell around 15%. So far this year it’s fallen another 7% off of what it was in 2009. Their attendance is now at less than 50% capacity for the first time in the history of the franchise.
On top of all this, the team is in utter disarray. They are in last place in the worst division in baseball. They are 20 games behind the first place Padres. But that stat obscures the true picture of how bad they’ve been. They are 14 games behind the 4th place dodgers. 14 games.
In addition their minor league system – particularly at the top levels isn’t great.
The D’Backs are a last place organization, seeing a rapid fall in their attendance revenues, that has limited young talent to draw on to improve the team.
They are not in the driver’s seat on a deal for Haren. They can absolutely keep him but his trade value will only be less this winter and his remaining salary is a huge stress on their finances given that they are going to be a horrible team for the next several years.