Angels trade four players for Dan Haren
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 25, 2010 
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The Yankees just wrapped up their home stand with a 12-6 win against the Royals, and the Angels just wrapped up a trade for Diamondbacks starter Dan Haren.
Linked to the Yankees throughout the weekend, Haren was sent to Los Angeles for LHP Joe Saunders, LHP Patrick Corbin, RHP Rafael Rodriguez and player to be named later. The package is in keeping with what the Diamondbacks were rumored to be looking for: A young major league pitcher plus pitching prospects.
Saunders and Haren are each 29 years old, though Saunders is still in his arbitration years.
Corbin was a second-round pick in 2009, and he’s pitched well at two different levels this season. Just reading the Baseball America scouting report on him, he reminds me a little bit of a younger, left-handed Ivan Nova, but I don’t know enough about him to say for sure whether he has a good comp in the Yankees system. Corbin is a bigger-name prospect than Rodriguez, a 25-year-old Triple-A reliever with a little bit of big league time and good minor league numbers in the upper levels.
The Angels pick and choose to spend money at strange times.
Nick-
I saw Haren vs. Dontrelle in St. Louis when both were rookies. I thought I was seeing 2 future aces. Looks like only one truly turned out….
Chip July 25th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
CR9 July 25th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
This may be a time to go out and get a good hitting back up infielder like Jose Bautista. Bautista is due something like 10 million next year, why would the Jays want that? Maybe a package of Downs and Bautista for some prospects, not Montero or Romine. Bautista also provides flexibility that he can play the outfield as well.
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Bautista is on a 1 year deal with 2.4 mil this year. I would pass on him; yes, his HR numbers are impressive but I have a feeling he?s in line for a ML imposed 50 games off.
Give me Theriot instead. He is a great defender all over the field.
Chip,
Saunders is a 2nd time arb eligible player, not first.
Saunders is making $3.7 million this year.
He is due for a substantial raise in his 2nd go through of arb.
Tyler July 25th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Nick-
I saw Haren vs. Dontrelle in St. Louis when both were rookies. I thought I was seeing 2 future aces. Looks like only one truly turned out….
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Dontrelle Willis is without a doubt, of the saddest baseball stories of the last 10 years
Rich-
They must feel like they can still catch the Rangers. Probably figured the only to do that was to acquire their own front of the rotation starter since the Rangers got Lee. You’re right though. You’d figure they would have gotten a big bat in free agency sometime as they have been lacking that 2nd big bat for so long. They must see something everybody else doesn’t though because I think Texas as of now is going to cruise home. The A’s might have a better shot.
Honestly, did the Angels give Arizona a better deal than: Joba, Nova, Zmac, and Banuelos?
Erica-
He was one of my favorite pitchers. I think I was in like 8th grade when he came up and had that great rookie year. It’s a shame because he would have been one of the faces of the game. Great, fun guy who seemed to really love the game.
My mistake Tyler and Chip. My idea was under the premise that Bautista was due $10 million next year and figured we could give up a Nova and a couple of similar prospects in exchange for a salary dump.
I do not think Bautista is all that good either. He is indeed at the top of his value right now and I would not them to overpay for him.
“Dontrelle Willis is without a doubt, of the saddest baseball stories of the last 10 years”
Willis should use Rick Ankiel as his model. Give up pitching and learn to play the field. He’s a good hitter; his pitching days are clearly over. If he wants to stay in baseball, that might be his only hope.
Saunders has been decent in the past even though he is the same age as Haren (I know he is still in his arbitration years but still) which kind of confuses me. Don’t know much about Corbin but he sounds promising.
Also, the Yanks werent’ going to give up both Joba and Banuelos. In fact, I don’t think they would give up Banuelos at all.
And if you haven’t been to Cooperstown, it’s a trip you definitely want to take.
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Pat M – and therein lies the difficulty with getting caught up in trade rumors! People who were waiting to greet Cliff Lee and felt depressed later were silly, IMO. How many times does someone have to get burned before he or she realizes that playing with matches isn’t smart? It is utterly goofy to treat trade rumors like they are your bible! (the generic you). Talk about them as a possibility I guess, talk about how you’d feel if they actually happened, but lordy, don’t talk about them as if they are a fait d’accompli. Because 99.99999% of the time, they’re not.
JMO but pretty good advice I would say.
Can we send Joba to AZ as LAA’s Player to be Named Later?
CR-
It’s all good. I think the Yanks will upgrade the bench somehow but I’m thinking more Ryan Theriot or a utility guy than Bautista.
Sox wasted a gem from Matsuzaka. Well, as much a gem as you can get from Matsuzaka. Still threw 110 pitches in 6 innings.
It’s definitely not a better package than Chamberlain, Nova, McAllister and Banuelos, but I also don’t think the Yankees were ever going to offer that package. Is there a story out there that the Yankees offered those four? Because that’s a lot to give up.
Young Buster Posey laced a double to the wall to go 4-4 on the afternoon.
# RabidYankee July 25th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
Honestly, did the Angels give Arizona a better deal than: Joba, Nova, Zmac, and Banuelos?
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I don’t think that the Yankees would have given that for Haren. They apparently weren’t interested in dealing Slobba …. err Joba and taking on salary.
It would be nice for the Yanks to pick up a good relief pitcher, but with the way these trades have gone along I wouldn’t be surprised to see that they do nothing but watch other teams make trades.
“Honestly, did the Angels give Arizona a better deal than: Joba, Nova, Zmac, and Banuelos?”
Joba, Nova, Zmac, and Banuelos were never put on the table by the Yankees, so it doesn’t much better.
The Yankees refused to offer Joba as part of any trade deal for Haren.
Cashman is tough to figure.
Are we to believe that he failed to acquire Cliff Lee and now Danny Haren?
Or.
Has he been eyeing a secret target in stealth mode all along.
Did he purposefully lowball the GM’s of the Mariners and Angels in an attempt to push along negotiations with the GM of the team holding this coveted target?
We’ll know for sure if Cashman makes a blockbuster deal involving the key names leaked in both the Lee and Haren negotiations.
They are:
Jesus Montero
Joba Chamberlain
Eduardo Nunez
Dellin Betances
Manny Banuelos
Ian Nova
Hector Noesi
David Adams
Zachary McAllister
So…were Qualls or Snyder part of the deal, too?
If Seattle holds on that is 2 pretty depressing losses in a row for the Bo Sox. They would fall 8 games back very quietly. I wonder if Theo’s going to try to pull something off at the deadline or just hope that they get healthy (even though I still don’t think they are that good completely healthy). I really haven’t heard many rumors involving the Sox now that the Padres are keeping Gonzalez. Maybe they don’t have the prospects without giving up Buccholz?
Chad, thanks for the compliment re: “Visions of Dan Haren” a couple days ago. I read it several hour later.
Tyler July 25th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Erica-
He was one of my favorite pitchers. I think I was in like 8th grade when he came up and had that great rookie year. It’s a shame because he would have been one of the faces of the game. Great, fun guy who seemed to really love the game.
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Watching that game the Yankees were facing him during interlegaue, was just painful. It was so obvious he was just a shell.
I think Laura is on to something, maybe he could learn a position
anything new on arod??
I think the reason the Yankees didn’t go harder after Haren was money. His contract could potentially limit their ability to get Lee, not to mention Lee and a bat.
“It’s definitely not a better package than Chamberlain, Nova, McAllister and Banuelos, but I also don’t think the Yankees were ever going to offer that package. Is there a story out there that the Yankees offered those four? Because that’s a lot to give up.”
Chad, all the stories out there say that the Yankees refused to offer Joba as part of any package.
Can’t see this trade helping the Angels get back in the race. Their only remaining starting lefty, Kazmir, is on DL with “fatigued” left shoulder.
Texas judge in the bankruptcy court proceedings is willing to allow MLB to extend a line of credit, so the Rangers can add other players before the deadline.
Seattle beats Sox 4-2
“People who were waiting to greet Cliff Lee and felt depressed later were silly, IMO. How many times does someone have to get burned before he or she realizes that playing with matches isn’t smart?”
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trisha,
You should send your post to the Yankees Front Office, because they thought they had a deal for Lee. Silly them
Buster Posey is an absolute stud. I remember there was alot of debate about whether Tampa was going to take him to fill in an organizational need at catcher or Beckham first overall. Beckham still has a ton of potential and is young but I’m glad right now that Tampa doesn’t have Posey to go along with those other guys…
So…were Qualls or Snyder part of the deal, too?
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Mel,
Maybe that’s who Joba will be traded for
Extra Innings paying dividends — Sox/M’s was pure joy.
Ichiro has not played well in the series against the Sox. His BA has gone down steadily during their visit to Seattle.
Dicey K was not that good, seriously that M’s team can’t hit much. The only one who has any consistency is Ichiro, and he tanked it during this series.
Meanwhile Smoak has been terrible.
1 and 2 in Oakland and 2 and 2 in Seattle has to be disappointing for the Socks’ Tour de Lousy.
Nick, if I could do it, I would write all of my posts as re-worked Dylan lyrics. Yours was outstanding.
KenDavidoff #Yankees hadn’t spoken with #Diamondbacks in 2 days on Haren. Never seriously engaged, at least in their minds.
2 minutes ago via UberTwitter
Am I the only one that didn’t have real confidence in Haren? I was willing to give up a lot for Lee, who is a true ace and one of the 5 best pitchers in the game. Haren is an upgrade over whoever the Yankees throw out as their #5 right now, but he’s not clearly better than anyone else in the rotation (yes, he has been good, but who’s to say that he will have a better stretch run than Javy or Hughes or AJ?).
Erica-
He’s a good hitter and athlete but learning a new position is rough. It took Ankiel forever to get back to the bigs and lots of persistance. I don’t know if all guys are cut out to put in that time in the minors like that. It would be interesting though…
“Alex is fine” – Joe G.
phewwwwww
Sox are now 8 games back, 9 in the loss column. But they’re only 5 back of Tampa. The WC is still open, especially if the Yankees have a good trip to the Trop.
Joe Saunders? Seriously?
Guess Cashman didn’t want to pay the Yankees tax this time
“You should send your post to the Yankees Front Office, because they thought they had a deal for Lee.”
Says you!
Besides, smart fans never count their chickens before they hatch.
I am a smart fan.
joba’s not going to get this straight
no xrays for alex
Girardi is such a Pollyanna.
Great news on Alex.
# Rich in NJ July 25th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
“Alex is fine” – Joe G.
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u beat me on this.
Jack Z is terrible. He got Cliff Lee for a decent package of prospects, then spun him for a lesser group of prospects. Could have had Montero, but because he had scouted Smoak for a long time, he was in love with him. Yanks were never getting Lee, as Z only wanted Smoak.
We Couldn’t have been serious about getting Haren because the Angels settled for much less.
Fran,
Who’s the headliner?
I am definitely not a baseball expert-
But it always seems to me whenever you hear that much whispering about a trade before the bottom line is done, that the trade never materializes.
Chad,
Maybe a better package, but Olney estimates Saunders will get around $6-7 million next season, and I haven’t seen any reports of whether LA is sending and money to AZ.
Wasn’t one of the sticking pints with NYY that AZ wanted them to pick up salaries of two other players?
Will AZ even keep Saunders next season at that salary?
The PTBNL seems to be the key to the trade, depending who he turns out to be.
Lee was worth acquiring. Haren and his monstrous contract isn’t, considering his questionable performance this year and what the Yankees want to do in the offseason.
With the way Alex was hit and what he gets paid, you would think they would get an x-ray to make sure there is nothing, rather than just guess.
“Says you!”
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trisha,
What do you mean?
The Yankees were not happy with what went down with Seattle, because they thought they had a verbal agreement.
I’m fine with not getting Haren. They really didn’t need him. Cashman is obviously drawing a line in these negotiations that he’s not going to cross.
They need bullpen help more than anything.
I tried to come up w/a witty take on ‘Peace Train’ by Cat Stevens, altering the lyrics to fit the hook “Meat Train”.
I couldn’t make it work.
If anyone wants to give it a go, it’s all yours.
trisha – true pinstriped blue July 25th, 2010 at 7:14 pm
I am a smart fan.
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You stroke yours own ego an awful lot.
PacoDooley July 25th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Am I the only one that didn’t have real confidence in Haren? I was willing to give up a lot for Lee, who is a true ace and one of the 5 best pitchers in the game. Haren is an upgrade over whoever the Yankees throw out as their #5 right now, but he’s not clearly better than anyone else in the rotation (yes, he has been good, but who’s to say that he will have a better stretch run than Javy or Hughes or AJ?).
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I’ve always liked Haren so I was in favor of acquiring him but you’re totally right to have concerns. He’s not having a great year but I think it’s more of a product of being on a bad Arizona team. He’s been the Allstar game starter 2 times and I always saw him as an underrated pitcher in the game. But he’s not in the same league as Lee so there was much more risk involved. That being said I would take him over Javy, Hughes, or AJ but no it’s not a sure thing he’d be better..
hardwired7 July 25th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
I tried to come up w/a witty take on ‘Peace Train’ by Cat Stevens, altering the lyrics to fit the hook “Meat Train”.
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I could probably do it, but I’ll be blatently honest….
Mitre doesn’t mean that much to me
“I am a smart fan.”
And if you don’t believe it, just ask.
Waldman says Alex is fine….sigh of relief.
Also, the reports were not that the Yankees refused to trade Joba in any package.
They refused to include Joba, because the Diamonbacks wouldn’t eat any money.
# Erica in NY July 25th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
I am definitely not a baseball expert-
But it always seems to me whenever you hear that much whispering about a trade before the bottom line is done, that the trade never materializes.
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yeah, same here
The whole point is that Cash is out there and turning over some stones.
Like I said yesterday, we could go to battle as is. Absolutely. But Cashman has always tried to get help by the deadline.
And we can’t keep all our prospects. We’ve got to think about turning prospects into pieces of the puzzle, too.
Who’s the headliner
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Mel,
LOL.
.In a piece that incorrectly labels the July trade market as one for the buyers, Jon Heyman leads with some Yankee dirt. He says the team is looking to be in on some big names this week and writes that the team has made “a big proposal” to the Royals for Joakim Soria. The Yanks want to upgrade their bullpen this week, but Soria won’t come cheap. He’s emerged as one of the game’s best relievers, non-Mariano division, and is under contract through 2011 with three club options with innings pitched escalators that total $22.75 million. Heyman also notes that the Bombers “have been in touch” with Washington over Adam Dunn but have so far found the price to be “prohibitive.”
“The Yankees refused to offer Joba as part of any trade deal for Haren.”
Makes no sense to me. It’s fair to say that throwing in Banuelos may have been too much, but why would the Yankees ever want to keep Joba??
If Joba could’ve been the centerpiece of a deal for Haren you have to do it!
Hell, I’m ready to trade Joba for a bag of balls!
“I am definitely not a baseball expert-
But it always seems to me whenever you hear that much whispering about a trade before the bottom line is done, that the trade never materializes.”
Erica, that makes you an expert fan. Smart money always says that what you read in the press typically turns out to be incorrect anyway.
Brian Cashman is pretty close-mouthed when he is working out deals. The media is paid to be provoctive and to keep their minions scurrying. Reading this blog everytime there is a purported trade in the air, it apparently works.
Two things:
1. Since yanks didnt talk to ariz since friday, it’s clear they didnt really want Haren.
2. Heyman is reporting that Yanks made a big proposal for Soria. Doesnt mean anything will ahppen, but it appears they made a legit offer.
Giuseppe Franco July 25th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
I’m fine with not getting Haren. They really didn’t need him. Cashman is obviously drawing a line in these negotiations that he’s not going to cross.
They need bullpen help more than anything.
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I strongly disagree. With Pettitte being out to mid to late August, AJ being AJ, and Hughes struggling (along with his innings limit) the Yankees could definitely use another reliable starter.
Wait, Alex is fine? Didn’t someone say that Alex’s hand was broken? So much for being a doctor from your couch.
Like Bobcat says, you only hear what you’re supposed to here.
It’s quite possible Cashman just used the Mariners and D-backs as a way to leak the names of players of interest to a GM he’s negotiating with in secret.
The names are big too, starting with Jesus Montero.
Charlie July 25th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
Lee was worth acquiring. Haren and his monstrous contract isn’t, considering his questionable performance this year and what the Yankees want to do in the offseason.
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Haren’s contract isn’t monstrous. It’s actually pretty reasonable considering his past performances…
Patrick, you still out there? That’s a 4-game road sweep for the Gigantes.
RabidYankee, as soon as I started reading that Joba was supposedly part of a trade for Haren, I immediately disregarded it. The reason is because everything I hear and read from the Yankee organization (hear, as in pregame or postgame interviews) points to the Yankees still having faith in Joba. So I didn’t think it was going to happen, for that reason. Again, it was only my perception of the organization’s opinion of Joba, but I think it may be the correct one.
I make it a point to disregard any talk about player comings and goings until there is a formal announcement. History has taught me not to believe what I hear or read unless it comes straight from an organization spokesperson.
I’m glad the trade didn’t happen, I didn’t think Haren was worth it for what the Yanks were offering.
As stupid as this may sound, I trust Brian Cashman. I never thought I would say that, but after the last couple of years he’s proved his GM wisdom to me.
I would like to see the Yanks make a deal with the Cubs for Ryan Dempster, or Ted Lilly, or even Aramis Ramirez (I hear they are shopping him). Carlos Zambrano is also available, but with his salary and temper issues, he’s risky.
It doesn’t really matter if they make a deal or not, they are going to win the East regardless.
6 more days to find a suitor for Chamberlain. The queasy feeling he gives may yet be coming to an end.
And by way, it seems like he pitched days ago, but that’s #12 for Phil Hughes!
Woo hoo!
trisha,
Trading a player doesn’t mean you are giving up on him.
If an organization gives up or has no faith in a player that is a pretty good bet they don’t have much trade value.
The Yankees did not lose faith in Montero by offering him for Lee. They didn’t lose faith in Kennedy by trading him in the package for Granderson.
Fans too often think that trading a player means an organization has lost faith in that player or are “dumping” that player. That’s not true at all.
You should know that as an expert fan
I guess I’m disappointed, but no way I’m trading Joba AND paying all of Haren’s contract AND taking on Qualls and Snyder. Screw AZ………….I will not get on Cashman’s case as he did nothing wrong; the D-backs were trying to get the Yankees to pay the $$$ because they are the Yankees.
That said, we need SP………..
“Also, the reports were not that the Yankees refused to trade Joba in any package.
They refused to include Joba, because the Diamonbacks wouldn’t eat any money.”
post some links LGY. And I don’t mean links to SJ44′s posts.
# RabidYankee July 25th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
I strongly disagree. With Pettitte being out to mid to late August, AJ being AJ, and Hughes struggling (along with his innings limit) the Yankees could definitely use another reliable starter.
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How do you know Pettitte is going to be out until late Aug? Maybe mid August, but he’s recovering from the groin strain rather quickly.
Sure, they will be cautious with him, but he won’t be out another month. Maybe 3 more turns in the rotation.
They still have a 3 game lead in the division. Mitre is nothing special but he’s capable of keeping his team in the game against bad teams.
The other starters available out there are mediocre….and expensive. No reason to bite if Pettitte is only going to be out a few more turns.
Just heard a rumor that Yankees are now after both Soria and Greinke. It never ends lol.
Pepitone-
Is Dempster on the block? I don’t know how he’d hold up in the AL. I know that Lilly is on the market but I’ve heard the yanks aren’t really in the hunt. Zambrano is being paid way too much and has too many problems. He’s simply not good enough to be a starter on this team anymore…
I’ve been trying to write my own song parody as well.
Something with the Police’s “Synchronicity” but using “Perspicacity” in it’s place.
Of course, we also need relief pitching..
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Lost July 25th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
Zack Greinke makes 13.5 mil next season. Hal covets Cliff Lee like no other, as do a lot of people.. but Greinke is next on the list..
“He’s the complete package with velocity and life on his plus-plus fastball, and an array of late breaking secondary pitches that has hitters in a tizzy trying to make contact. His curveball comes out of the hand looking like a fastball, but travels to home plate in the upper 60’s or low 70’s. His slider is nasty,,” SOURCE: http://www.baseball-intellect&.....greinke”
You have to give up talent to get talent, and they are NOT desperate to trade him. Though, they may not want to pick up the 13mil next year..
The deal would have to be truly enticing. Hughes, Montero + maybe ?
A comparison of Hughes and 04/05 Greinke would be really cool..
“So…were Qualls or Snyder part of the deal, too?”
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No that only would of been the Yankee tax.
“no question, I’ll be able to play tomorrow” – Alex
# Nick in SF July 25th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
And by way, it seems like he pitched days ago, but that’s #12 for Phil Hughes!
Woo hoo!
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Does that mean it’s burger time?
They’re not trading Hughes for Greinke.
In fact, I don’t think they’re trading Hughes at all.
Trisha,
I repeat.. “Joba is NOT untouchable” He just wasn’t going in a deal for Haren (Salary +).
The Last Temptation of Bronx Jeers
“Does that mean it’s burger time?”
Eventually, yes.
do we know if Cano got the ball back?
they guy did not look like he planned to share
“Trading a player doesn’t mean you are giving up on him.”
I thought we had this talk yesterday LGY. I said yesterday, when you said the same thing, that you were absolutely correct on that. Then I went on to say that it was my BELIEF that the Yankees want Joba to remain as part of the team. That means they don’t want to GIVE HIM UP. That is different from not wanting to GIVE UP ON HIM.
m:
Where in that did I say they would or that is even a possibility?
I was saying that is an example of what it would take to get Greinke.
Rishi, I liked Alex’s line about giving the fans a lot of memories in October.
Yeah for Phil. With > 7 runs/game in support of his pitching, if Javy had this support, we’d have 4 starters with double digit wins.
I agree with you Apple byte . . I’m DONE with Joba. he was a flash in the pan . .and hansn’t been productive since 2007. i’m done with HYPE. .
Do you want Joba pitching in the playoffs with a lead.or the game on the line . HELL NO .. i don’t .
I’m telling you. Cashman has been leaking names through the Mariner and D-Back talks in order to push along negotiations with Dayton Moore.
The real targets all along have been Greinke and Soria.
Don’t say we lack the prospects/players to make it happen.
no thanks on Montero+ Hughes for Greinke but if Montero + other guys would get it done then you have to consider it. I highly doubt the Royals would trade him though.
“The deal would have to be truly enticing. Hughes, Montero + maybe ?”
I thought you were suggesting it….
DEE .. any link
Fran the original July 25th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Rishi, I liked Alex?s line about giving the fans a lot of memories in October.
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yeah – very “team first”
I just want him to get this next hr over with (as does everyone) – I figure when every AB is not the end of the world, other pitchers will settle down
I still would have given Alex an x-ray just in case.
IF Cashman made an offer for Soria I wonder if his big chip was Joba or Montero? I would think Joba since they already have Butler and he needs to be their DH. The more the Yanks keep throwing Joba out there and he keeps getting tattooed the less of a chip he is going to become.
Lost,
Did anyone ever tell you, you look a lot like Willie Upshaw?
Jeter is 10 for his last 21, and he’s a career .320 batter against Westbrook. Hopefully this is the start of a strong run for him…
Had my sister and famiily over today, so I’m just catching up from earlier.
Thank heavens ARod is okay. That could have been devastating.
So, Haren’s an Angel? I’m not surprised he’ s not a Yankee, but I never read a single thing about the Angels being an interested party.
Jon Heyman? Nothing he says is to be believed, in my mind. I’m not sure what to call him or his job, but it’s ridiculous, to say the least.
So, now he’s tying the Yankees in a big way to Soria? I’ll believe it when I see it.
Cashman’s deals are never all that transparent. So we’ll see.
@ Nick in SF – I know! I went to the Giants website and saw for a fee you could get the bobblehead and all these extras. Kinda cool if you’re into it. But I got the tickets for that day because it fit best with all our other plans. And now I’m looking forward to it, actually.
@ Erica -
I forgot all about Madmen! Thanks for the reminder. I’ll be watching it. It’s one of my “must see” shows.
Captain Clutch July 25th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
IF Cashman made an offer for Soria I wonder if his big chip was Joba or Montero? I would think Joba since they already have Butler and he needs to be their DH. The more the Yanks keep throwing Joba out there and he keeps getting tattooed the less of a chip he is going to become.
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It’s possible KC is in a financial situation that forces them to gamble on Montero sticking at catcher and Joba being a potential starter. Either or, or both.
Tyler:
I know the Cubs are sellers, and they have a young kid named Cashner they want to get in the starting lineup.
I agree with you about Zambrano, but, that potential is still there if someone knew how to reach him.
I like Dempster because he can be a starter, and relief pitcher. You remember he closed for the Cubs a few years ago, he was good at it too.
The also have Ryan Theriot available. He’s not a starter, but he would be an excellent piece as a utility infielder.
m:
““The deal would have to be truly enticing. Hughes, Montero + maybe ?”
I thought you were suggesting it….”
Nope. But that is a deal the Royals would be all over. They can make their fans happy by saying Hughes is the next Greinke but cheaper
Yanks are NOT trading Hughes. He, unlike Joba.. is untouchable.
Tricia….Joba was offered, the hangup was on the money…..And this didn’t come from some sportswriter…..It came from the same person who told me that The Yanks were going to sign CC & Texeria…The same person who told that Granderson was coming to the Yanks…..It came from the same person who plays golf on Thanksgiving weekend with Forsch at Peeble Beach…..As of last night The Yanks & Zona were haggling over salary absorption…..Angels had interest, but were looking for a stick ( Adam Dunn )…….As for what happened today, I don’t know, but it appears that talks broke off…….I put myself on the line simply by sharing what I was getting from someone in baseball….Not some 999999 % bs, as you put it……..
Trading Montero would be a huge mistake!! You don’t trade a guy like him who comes along once in a lifetime.. The power and hitting ability that he possesses is off the charts. I would only entertain trading him if it’s Pujols coming back!
Would Joba/Montero/prospects for Greinke/Soria work out for both sides? the latter are more established, but the former are cheap, cheap, cheap.
I don’t know why the Royals would want Joba for Soria. Soria’s contract is very team friendly and he’s much better than Joba. I guess Montero + Joba maybe but I’m not giving that for a reliever…..for Greinke though…Yes.
More then likely there was little discoloration, swelling or extreme pain and why there was no x-ray.
The Yankees are cautious.
He’s fine.
I think you pretty much know if you have a broken arm. Wrists, ankles, knees are different.
Pat M. and Lost,
I still like your sources and your credibility remains top notch in my book.
However, I believe Bobcat was higher up the food chain and what he said about hearing what we’re supposed to hear applies to your sources as well. They might hear about dealings and negotiations but never know the underlying strategy or motives. The inner circle is a negotiating machine. Some trade talks are decoys.
Too many fans fall in love with prospects. Potential is just that. Potential. How many top prospects have actually fulfilled their potential in the past 15 years?
It could be that the Yankees pulled out, and the D-backs turned to the Angels.
Heyman mentioned that AZ asked for Betances – I’m sure that was a dealbreaker.
Loooooong rain delay but fun game today.
Glad to read Alex is okay.
We explored nooks and crannies previously unseen at the Stadium and my daughter was a trooper making it through the 8th inning.
Bret, I think something must have changed this afternoon……None the less, I just hope we don’t have to hear come October how the Yanks needed for one of these deals to have gone thru……
Mike Ri:
No link. Just Twitter chatter. I meant that fans are already starting rumors that Cash is going hard after Soria and Greinke. While he may have interest (especially in Soria), I find it funny that we don’t get Haren and immediately the speculation begins and rumors start to swirl. Just like how we were apparent “front runners” and then ended up with nothing.
IMO, Cash is a little too stealth for the chatter that’s been going on lately. Yeah you hear names attached to the Yankees all the time, but you don’t hear about the “real deal” until last minute like Vasquez in the offseason and the Cliff Lee almost trade. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if Cash did make big unexpected trade, but to get both Greinke and Soria….seems like a stretch. Hey, I could be totally wrong though.
@Doreen: it’s going to be The Real Housewives of LoHud meets The Summer of Love at AT&T.
It could be that the Yankees were never fully engaged with either the Mariners or D-Backs.
It now seems they were outright lukewarm on Haren.
The Yankees are willing to slightly overpay for their most coveted targets.
Just look at the Nady/Marte deal and the Granderson deal.
They weren’t willing to overwhelm the Mariners or the D-Backs it seems.
I really hope that the Yanks get Lee in the off season. If they do then who cares about Haren. We have no idea how he would of pitched in the AL East anyway.
cashman does not trade like the crazy steinny days clowns. they would have traded Montero for Cliff Lee. Lee is not good he is GREAT and is a FA they can sign in the offseason.
the yanks do not trade prospects like water anymore.
jose bautista vs Theriot. Talk about apples and Oranges…The yanks need a pen arm, and a vet off the bench, that is it…..they are playings 620+ baseball.
Cliff Lee was a once in a 4 yr oppty. If they would have gotten him it is over, they win it all….
The ESPN article, which the quote from below is from, seemed to make people think that the Yankees refused to include Joba in a deal for Haren.
That article never said that. It said the Yankees declined the Diamonbacks offer where they had to assume all of the money and include Joba.
The quality of talent exchanged as the quote below says depended on if the Dbacks were going to eat any money.
Once the Diamondbacks said they are not eating any money on the transaction, that is where these quotes came from that the Yankees won’t include Joba.
The 2 conditions were tied to each other as they should be.
“Meanwhile, the Yankees (and other interested teams) want the quality of the players included in the trade to be based on how much of Haren’s remaining contract the Diamondbacks are willing to pay.”
With injuries you can tell by how it feels,swelling,etc…
If arod got up the next day & it hurt or was swolen,then you get x rays.
no x ray needed & girardi said it did not hit him flush.
@Nick in SF -
LOL!
Pat M.
Like I said, some trade talks are decoys meant to leak names of players being discussed in altogether separate negotiations with different front offices.
For all your sources know, those talks were loose from Cashman’s perspective. It’s possible to determine that he’s talking and even probable to hear name leaked but it’s impossible to know if those talks are back up plans and no one outside the circle will ever know how serious the talks were from Cash’s perspective.
I am very apprehensive about Greinke, not sure if he has the mental toughness to make it in NY – obviously he has all the physical tools, just not sure that he is cut out for NY
How many top prospects have actually fulfilled their potential in the past 15 years?
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Oh, I don’t know, how about Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettite, Prince Fielder, Albert Pujols, Jared Weaver, Eric Aybar, Yadier Molina, … need I go on?
I couldn’t disagree with you more. The reason the Yankees are at the top of the heap these past 14 years is because of patience, and a willingness to hang on to their top young prospects like Jeter and Mo. You don’t trade your future for maybe, could be, might have, quick fix. There are too many Kevin Browns and Carl Pavanos that have littered the fields of past Yankee failures.
Hang on to your future!
Forget Grienke he had well docunented mental problrems in KC wouldn’t make in NY with you screwballs
I wonder what player the Angels are giving up for Haren that is listed as PTBNL. That usually is a player on the DL.
LOL From Buster:
On the Haren trade, it’s worth remembering what Ariz. gave up: Brett Anderson, Carlos Gonzalez,C.Carter, A.Cunningham,G.Smith, and Dana Eveland. In return, they get a middle-of-the-road lefty in Joe Saunders, a B-plus/A-minus prospect in Corbin, a journeyman reliever and a player to be named, who will not be an elite prospect. This will feed into perception Arizona had to move the $.
They offered Montero for Lee – how much more did you want them to offer?
Man, there is a lot of overreaction on other boards.
If Geinke were to get traded to the Yanks, it would be the 3rd straight year that the Cy Young winner in the AL was traded after winning it the prior season.
LOST and Pat M, with all due respect you both had it wrong. Although I am loathe to hang my hat on media reports, I definitely consider them several notches above what people trot out on this forum as “inside information.”
Bob Klapisch of The Record tweeted that the Yankees will not include Joba Chamberlain in any potential trade for Arizona Diamondbacks starting pitcher Dan Haren.
ESPN’s Jayson Stark reported early this morning that the Yankees have refused Arizona’s request for Joba Chamberlain in a proposed trade for Dan Haren.
LOST – that doesn’t mean the Yankees “considered” it. That means Arizona asked and the Yankees said no.
It’s a good sign for Yankee fans going forward that Cashman refuses to get held up on trades, especially what they are supposedly asking for from the Yankees and what those teams end up settling for.
Pat M. July 25th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
I think we are one reliable arm short of the world series. That said i think the only deal worth doing was cliff lee”s deal, even though my gut tells me that montero is going to be special for years to come. So there is a chance we don’t make it all the way, i think the rays are scary, the texas rangers are scary specially in a short series, but i could live with that if we keep our farm system producing new ballplayers for the new core that is going to be needed in the not so distant future
Bret the hitman…..Bobcat blew us all away when he came out and said that Alex was resigning with the Yanks…..I’ll never forget that night
I just got home-I didn’t get to see the end of the game, as I had dinner plans. Glad to see they won, and very, very glad Alex is OK.
longtime, I would think the Yankees would have some concerns over Grienke’s mental health coming to NY. Its not an easy place to play, add in someone who can be fragile mentally it could be brutal.
trisha,
Those quotes have to be taken in the context of the negotiation, which give them a very different meaning than the Yankees refused to consider Joba in the package.
Craw, like on one board in particular? They HATE Cash over there.
I’m disappointed because I really think they need another pitcher, but why the heck should the Yankees trade Joba AND take on all that salary AND take on Snyder and Qualls. Did the Angels have to take on Snyder and Qualls?
Pat M,
I agree and unless Cashman has something else up his sleeve he may have set himself up for some critism this Fall if things don’t go the Yankees way and the reason for that is starting pitching. I’m not saying it would be justified because I don’t neccessarily think Cashman did anything wrong but it will happen if the Yankees don’t win and its perceived that closing the deal for Lee or Haren would have put them over the hump.
I guess that comes with the GM territory and i actually think its good that Cashman has the stones to hold a line and do what he thinks is best despite what fan and media pressure is saying.
Erin July 25th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
I just got home-I didn’t get to see the end of the game, as I had dinner plans. Glad to see they won, and very, very glad Alex is OK.
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It was a scary moment when A-Rod went down…
And on that note, I am sending you an e-mail that is going to outrage you!
Pat M. July 25th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Bret the hitman…..Bobcat blew us all away when he came out and said that Alex was resigning with the Yanks…..I’ll never forget that night
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They must’ve cut the umbilical chord of that poor guy
I hope he still works for the Yanks.
I bet he does but he has been “corrected”/”rehabilitated”
Cash shouldn’t take any criticism for Lee………..He should take criticism for the pen. It’s yet to be determined whether he should take criticism for Haren. If AZ demanded Betances, that was a no go. Hal is not George – he will do a lot to win, but he won’t go to the extent that George would. In other words, he has a budget. Therefore, $33 million AND two extraneous players is a big deal.
Trisha, no disrespect toward your opinion, but just because those tweets say the Yankees wouldn’t include Joba, it doesn’t mean that the Yankees didn’t consider it. For all we know the Yankees did consider it but didn’t like the whole package being asked for. Reporters are used by clubs to send out messages to other clubs.
Grienke’s anxiety issues are entirely overblown.
They obviously don’t diminish his talent.
Anxiety can be caused by hypersensitivity to the gluten found in common foods like breads and pasta.
It’s not a terminal illness.
Haren to LAA = salary dump where they let Haren pick the team?
Erica-just got it
Girardi just said his favorite YES network show is the Encore…you would think he could get tapes
# GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
It’s a good sign for Yankee fans going forward that Cashman refuses to get held up on trades, especially what they are supposedly asking for from the Yankees and what those teams end up settling for.
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You are so right, GB7.
Those of us that have been around for longer than 15 years can remember the bad ole days of Ricky Henderson, Ed Whitson, Ken Griffey Sr., and John “The Count” Montefusco.
Looking back ten years from now, this trade will be a candidate for worst of the decade.
By the time Haren’s contract runs up in 2013, Rodriguez and Saunders may not even be D-Backs and Corbin may not have even made his debut yet.
The D-Backs would have payed Haren $25.50mil in 2011 and 2012. Through arbitration they will probably pay Saunders $17mil. Is the $8mil difference worth it?
Pat M,
That wasn’t Bobcat, that was Miller – who has never been seen since, at least not by that name. I’ll never forget that night either. Obviously, I was hoping it was true, but there was just something about what he wrote that sounded credible.
Bobcat talked a lot, but never actually had any real scoops that I can recall. He was entertaining as hell however.
Bret, anxiety can also be caused by stress or the environment. Some people can’t handle critical comments, as has been illustrated all too well and too frequently on this blog. Some people just don’t do well under the Yankee spotlight.
Grienke’s anxiety did affect his playing for a while, so it shouldn’t just be dismissed either.
I’m trying to catch up-Robbie got his 1,000 career hit??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yay!!
I’m sorry I missed it though.
Yogi Mantle July 25th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
Reporters are used by clubs to send out messages to other clubs.
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Precisely.
All negotiations are interconnected because of an overlap of interest in players/prospects shared around the league.
Blake,
You bet that if we don’t win it all cashman is going to be critized for not pulling the trigger on one of this trades, but i agree with you that he is doing what he thinks is best for the team both in the short and longterm, we need the farm system to stay productive and not neglect it the way it was back in the early 00′s when we got awfully old with no flexibility to improve the team through trades only get past their prime FA’s
Erin July 25th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
I’m trying to catch up-Robbie got his 1,000 career hit??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yay!!
I’m sorry I missed it though.
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It was a little subdued since it came immediately after the A-Rod HBP
The worst part is that Angels didn’t have to take on Qualls and Snyder but the Yankees had to; what does that tell you about AZ? It tells me they wanted to walk all over the Yankees – and it tells me the Yankees tax is still alive and well.
grienke is a CLiff Lee type player. He is way more valuable then Haren. He has overcome his mental issues and on the Yanks he is not the main man. He is a phenomenal player.
Nova dealing tonight for SWB. The Yanks minors are loaded. Curious to see wa=hat Aceves does this week traveling with the team…
Logan seems to have figured some things out RObertson also, if that is true that is good news. WHen Marte comes back Logan will stay so an addtl. righty pen arm will be gone.
Joba is a problem they need to figure out and not listen to impulsive lunatics on blog sites………
Guys relax . . we have the best record in baseball .. The Yanks need to bolster the bullpen. I’m sure cash money will take care of it .. i hope
trisha:
I posted here that Joba was involved days before any of your quoted sources even had an idea he was. It’s all good though.. you’re entitled to believe/dismiss what you want.
On another note:
I’ve been tempted not to respond to you because you seem very “emotional” or maybe just aggravated. Whatever the case is, I’m not interested in any negativity.
I am surprised that no one here is suggesting the Yanks reacquire Johnny Damon. Just as he was signing the Detroit contract Damon himself mentioned that if the Tigers were not in contention maybe the Yankees would want him back. Personally, I do not believe reacquiring him is a good idea but I mention it here to stir the pot a little. (I know the target would be a right handed hitter but Damon still can hit lefties so I think that argument against bringing him back will not work.) And I am really happy with Gardner and do see Damon as an outfielder but Damon does fit Yankee Stadium and has a history of being a clutch hitter. I definitely would not want to give up much to get Damon but the thought should bring some interesting comments.
Yogi Mantle July 25th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Bret, anxiety can also be caused by stress or the environment. Some people can’t handle critical comments, as has been illustrated all too well and too frequently on this blog. Some people just don’t do well under the Yankee spotlight.
Grienke’s anxiety did affect his playing for a while, so it shouldn’t just be dismissed either.
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One could argue that Greinke’s struggles were similar to Hughes’. Young pitchers go through rough patches before they learn how to put it all together.
It’s possible that Greinke’s social phobias have no impact on his performance on the field but were falsely attributed to his struggles, perhaps even by Greinke himself and certainly by fans who learned of his bouts with depression.
The guy has plus plus stuff.
Winning consistently can bring a joy that he’s never felt in his entire life.
He might just thrive on it.
betsy haren is a good pitcher but relax, no big loss. he is better then saunders mainly because he strikes out way more batters but he is not the 2nd coming of anything..
the angels are in trouble and sounds like there minors are barren……..
trout is 19 yrs old……..
“The Yankees do not want to trade Chamberlain, preferring to move prospects such as Nova and Triple-A right-hander Zach McAllister in a deal for Haren. McAllister’s father, Steve, is a scouting supervisor with the Diamondbacks.”
LGY, everything I read, including Betsy’s comments regarding all of the twitters she had read, said the Yankees didn’t want to trade Joba. It appears they refused to have him as any part of any deal.
That said, the first thing I said when I posted last night and had seen all of the posts discussing a Haren trade (first I had read of it because I hadn’t been to the forum in a while and hadn’t read it anywhere else) was that I didn’t know if it was something people were discussing from media reports or whether it was someone suggesting it and people commenting on it – but I said that in either event, it was my belief that the Yankees were not ready to give up on Joba. You said that trading a player was not an indication of giving up on that player, and I then clarified what I meant – that the Yankees still wanted Joba as part of their plans.
I still believe that.
Anyway, everyone now knows that the trade rumor involving Haren turned out to be a bust. So at least that’s over. I’m sure someone will manage to resurrect another name.
If it happens, I am on the record as saying I do not believe the Yankees will trade Joba.
Pepitone July 25th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
# GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
It’s a good sign for Yankee fans going forward that Cashman refuses to get held up on trades, especially what they are supposedly asking for from the Yankees and what those teams end up settling for.
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You are so right, GB7.
Those of us that have been around for longer than 15 years can remember the bad ole days of Ricky Henderson, Ed Whitson, Ken Griffey Sr., and John “The Count” Montefusco.
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They were HOFers compared to Dave Collins, Steve Kemp and Steve Trout.
And those were the best of the bad trades.
thye do not need damon at all. gardner is a very good player and very valuable…
ajax may turn into a star but at present he has 1 HR for the year..
swisher and gardner have overachieved this year, they both take a ton of pitches and gardners speed is a huge benefit.
damon should enjoy Detroit and enjoy watching the playoffs on TV. He can thank Borass for that…………
Erica in NY July 25th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
It was a little subdued since it came immediately after the A-Rod HBP
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I see.
I’ll have to see if I can find it online.
Make that trades and FA signings.
Greinke has problems with depression, Zambrano is a hot-head, how’s that gonna play out when 55,000 fans (NY fans) get testy? Look at A.J. and his mind games, remember Kevin Brown? That’s why you have to always figure out the X-factor with some players.
Stuart, I’m fine – I’m not freaking out about this. I still think we need another SP ……….but I have no problem with Cash not caving to AZ, who clearly demanded one thing from us and another from the Angels.
“Bret the hitman…..Bobcat blew us all away when he came out and said that Alex was resigning with the Yanks…..I’ll never forget that night”
Yeah that Bobcat is one heck of a crazy guy.
I didn’t come to this blog until after he already left though.
When everybody was saying we were not going to sigh Tex, I had posted that it was going down that we had made a great offer, I got ripped really hard from a lot of people here. That very next day… When Tex signed, only one person apologized. BTW, where is CB?
From what I gather, the Yankees didn’t want to trade Joba AND take on the $33 million……..but Klap made it sound like they didn’t want to trade Joba period. I don’t think anyone in the media really knows anything – they are just speculating.
Joba is struggling but act like he is Dustin Mosely or Chad Gaudin is foolish.
the guy is 24, give it a rest…………
Clare….How have you been ??? You’re right about it being Miller who called the Alex resigning……And yeah, old Bobcat was a piece of work…..Miss the loder days here when it was much fun rather than much infighting that seems to be today
They were HOFers compared to Dave Collins, Steve Kemp and Steve Trout.
And those were the best of the bad trades.
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Ha Ha Ha!
Yep! Ya got me there.
Dave Collins, sheesh what a mess he was. Those were the days Ole George thought he knew more than his baseball people.
Yogi Mantle – suffice it to say that I am just someone who doesn’t put stock in anything I read from another poster when the poster is saying he or she has inside information. Sorry but I just don’t. Add to it my belief that trade rumors tend to be hogwash, well you get the picture.
Forget the tweets and everything else then. I said I didn’t believe the Yankees would trade Joba. They didn’t. I still don’t think they will. As I am always wont to say, time will tell whether I am right or wrong.
People can believe or disbelieve posters who say they know the real scoop because they have friends in high places, believe or disbelieve trade rumors, etc. Whatever floats your boat.
Mine floats as soon as I read an official statement from an organization and not until. I haven’t really gone wrong that way.
Have a great night.
grienke is not zambrano.
zambrano is an idiot. grienke had problems that with medication and therapy he has overcome.
a broken leg is not the same as cancer, got it?????????????????
Oh, this non-trade won’t break the Yankees.
But if you have a chance to snap your fingers and turn Joba into Haren, you should do it…
Oh, this non-trade won’t break the Yankees.
But if you have a chance to snap your fingers and turn Joba into Haren, you should do it…
It’s not that the Yankees didn’t want to trade Joba.
They didn’t want to trade Joba, prospects, take on ALL of Haren’s money AND Chris Snyder.
That’s a far cry than the Yankees “not wanting to trade Joba”.
As it turns out, they were smart not to do considering what the Angels gave up.
I guarantee you if the Yankees acquir Soria or Grienke, Joba would be in a deal of that magnitude.
He’s not untouchable.
Damon has 30 rbi’s. yea let’s trade for him. let him take over the spot from a 26 yr old speed merchant hitting 198 with 28 SB’s because Damon is clutch in big games……..
that is a winning formula… I trade Joba and others for SOria.. SOria is REAL good. Real good, young, and fairly inexpensive….
And Joba was going to be a starter over Hughes….Is that correct Tricia
trisha,
The quote you just posted has “preferred” in it. Seems to cut against, your theory that the Yankees refused to include him, no?
You also keep saying that people are not smart fans to get caught up in rumors and this rumor was a bust.
Just because a trade does not go through, does not make the rumors the Yankees inquired on Haren and made offers for Haren a bust.
Were these rumors that the Yankees went after Haren false?
No one on here said the Yankees are definitely getting Haren because of these rumors.
The talk was about if this would be a good trade, who you would offer, how Haren could affect their plans with Pettitte and Lee, etc.
Those type of discussions are the purpose of this blog.
If you follow the logical sequence of Lost’s posts nowhere along the way was he wrong or misleading based on the information that has come out.
Lost was basically a step ahead of the media reports in most instances.
I don’t think it is fair for you to keep trying to call him out when you yourself admit you did not really pay attention to the progression of these rumors, while the many posters on here who appreciate his info did.
M, not in addition to taking on all that $$$ and those players. Clearly there is a budget and the Yankees aren’t going to go over that……….not when Lee is on the horizon.
I am a HUGE fan of Cash, but I do have real issues with the pen…….and I still think we need a starter. The problem is – every team will charge us an arm and a leg for their players and then take crap from other teams; it makes it hard to make a deal.
chris snyder would be a boat anchor the yanks do not need…..
Today in Cooperstown-
“Commissioner Bud Selig was booed rather passionately whenever his name was announced…”
Pepitone July 25th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
They were HOFers compared to Dave Collins, Steve Kemp and Steve Trout.
And those were the best of the bad trades.
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Ha Ha Ha!
Yep! Ya got me there.
Dave Collins, sheesh what a mess he was. Those were the days Ole George thought he knew more than his baseball people
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I envy you. You’ve been able to erase the nightmare of those deals. I still wake up in a cold sweat and screaming.
Greinke in NY? No way – and he’s already said he doesn’t want to play here; I don’t buy those rumors anyway – and I don’t believe Heyman when he says the Yankees made a big play for Soria.
Phil. You dug in your spurs and held on tight. You got to the buzzer.
Here’s your # 12 tribute as promised. You earned it.
http://picasaweb.google.com/cy.....rRimTrail#
I guarantee you if the Yankees acquir Soria or Grienke, Joba would be in a deal of that magnitude.
He’s not untouchable.
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Yeah, but would they include Montero or Hughes in a trade for one or both of those guys?
In other words, are either of those “untouchable” in Yankeeland?
Anyway, to get Greinke, we’d have to rape our farm system.
SJ44:
I don’t think the Angels had to give up anything spectacular at all. In fact, it is much lower than what I was expecting the Dbacks to end up with.
Trading for Soria makes no sense to me on any level whatsoever. He’s a premier closer who is primed to command premier $$$ in the very near future. How would he feel as a two month rental/no future with the Yanks/EIG? The price exacted in a trade would be prohibitive as well.
What would it take to get Evan Meek from the Pirates? Joe Thatcher from the Padres? Joel Hanrahan or Brandon League? There are a number of non-marquee names out there who can absolutely get the job done in the bullpen.
This team can weather 3-4 missed starts from Andy.
Its the bullpen in August – September that concerns me.
Damon wouldn’t replace Gardner or Swish, he would replace the DH platoon (Thames/Miranda) on a regular basis. Johnson isn’t coming back anytime soon, if at all. If you can get Damon for cheap, you give it a shot. Problem is losing Ordonez and Guillen, I don’t think Detroit will give him away; they’re still within striking distance in the Central.
Soria is not a rental. He is locked up through 2014.
if the Royals trade Grienke, they should just fold up shop. I love him. Would love to have him. But Greinke needs to remain with that franchise.
Royals GM, Nick Colleti, and Omar are the worst GM’s in baseball. Did i leave anyone out?
I just found the clip of Robbie’s hit-I hope he got the ball back! LOL
I envy you. You’ve been able to erase the nightmare of those deals. I still wake up in a cold sweat and screaming.
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Nah, I wake up in a sweat and start screaming when I remember three things:
1. The 1966 season.
2. Game 4 of the 1981 WS.
and the coup de gras
3. The 2004 ALCS
I can sleep through all the others … barely.
Right you are LGY. All the more reason he’d be unhappy in NY, IMHO.
That’s Ned Colletti.
I’m fine with not making mountains move for Haren. He’s never been elite in anyway, and this is a down year for him. I’d be underrating him to say he’s not good, but he’s not necessary to this teams success.
Soria would be a much nicer fit if we can make it happen. If you could offer the same package for Soria, Joba + prospects, I’d definitely pull the trigger there. Major bullpen upgrade which is far more necessary than a rotation upgrade.
Squirrel Cop,
That is certainly a fair point and something many others on here have concern about in regard to trading for Soria.
That’s Ned Colletti.
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thank you. No offense, Nick.
The Yanks and AZ hadn’t even had any talks this weekend – so, they were never in serious negotiations.
LGY:
I appreciate the kind words. I only share with you guys what I know because I know you are passionate yankee fans like me. When I get “insider” info I get all excited and try to pass it along, unless I am specifically told not to. Which I have been told a few times.
Sometimes, it may be that I am told info for strategic purposes, but most of the time I am being told for the same reason I tell you guys.. it all flows downstream with one thing in common, we love the Yanks and love seeing their roster get better.
I created my twitter account the other day because it seems like people (I don’t need to mention names) are getting really upset when I post what I know. Rather than deal with that, I created twitter. More and more I am thinking that I should just post opinions here only, and the rest on twitter.
No worries though..
Pepitone July 25th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
I envy you. You’ve been able to erase the nightmare of those deals. I still wake up in a cold sweat and screaming.
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Nah, I wake up in a sweat and start screaming when I remember three things:
1. The 1966 season.
2. Game 4 of the 1981 WS.
and the coup de gras
3. The 2004 ALCS
I can sleep through all the others … barely.
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Through the late 60s and early 70s make you admire just how good Mel Stottlemyre really was and wonder why he’s been pretty much ignored/forgotten when great Yankee pitchers are mentioned.
@Squirrel Cop
Setting up for Rivera and being his successor doesn’t seem like a bad gig to me. Sure, being the top dog in the bullpen does have that pride element, but Rivera is the best closer ever and he’s coming to the end of his career.
Royals GM, Nick Colleti, and Omar are the worst GM’s in baseball. Did i leave anyone out?
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Those guys are baseball Einsteins compared to that idiot Jim Hendry of the Chicago Cubs.
So everyone!!
Does Cashman suck at trades, or just suck at trades?
I would not be surrpised if Yanks take Guillen as part of the deal for Soria and Grienke.
All together it will be about 10 million for the remainder of the year.
That is big savings for Royals.
Also, next year it will be another 17.5 mil less payroll for Royals and tjey will have well stocked team with hihg end prospects.
If cash is willing to give Montero, Joba and a few high end prospects, it is possible it can happen.
Hal may balk, but next year Gienke at 13.5 mil is much better then 23 mil for Lee and much younger (26 years). And you get Soria for 4mil.
I guess, the question is how many high end prospects we have to include.
“I would not be surrpised if Yanks take Guillen as part of the deal for Soria and Grienke.
All together it will be about 10 million for the remainder of the year.
That is big savings for Royals.
Also, next year it will be another 17.5 mil less payroll for Royals and tjey will have well stocked team with hihg end prospects.
If cash is willing to give Montero, Joba and a few high end prospects, it is possible it can happen.
Hal may balk, but next year Gienke at 13.5 mil is much better then 23 mil for Lee and much younger (26 years). And you get Soria for 4mil.
I guess, the question is how many high end prospects we have to include”
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both Soria and Greinke?? Fantasyland
It’s not about turning Joba into Haren.
It’s about Joba AND 33 million AND three more prospects AND another D’back salary dump player.
That’s a deal you don’t do.
The Yankees weren’t hurt by this deal in the slightest.
I don’t like the idea of hearing we made a big run at soria but don’t have him.Yankees figure if we can’t get a starting pitcher,shorten the game by a few innings.
Greinke would be awesome but would cost a ton,maybe hughes.
Cashman obviously doesn’t feel that the Yankees are in a desperate situation -now, I think they need more pitching, but desperate? No – and I wouldn’t want him to act out of that sense of desperation. The Angels are desperate – they are the ones 5 or 6 games out of a playoff spot………
SJ, sorry but I just don’t buy it.
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LOST, I don’t know how long you’ve been around here, but I’ve been here quite a while, just not lately. There are many people, I am sure, who think I am a biotch. There are some who tolerate me, and oddly enough one or two who actually like me!
I tend to think of myself as spirited rather than “emotional”. I cry easily, so in that respect I guess you could call me emotional. But I am extremely stoic when it comes to the Yankees. I don’t fall apart. Period.
I’ve been accused of being a lot of things, but I don’t think negative is one of them.
I do invite you, however, to ignore me if you’d like. I believe ignoring posters is a healthy thing if they hit you the wrong way. Better than spending your time throwing darts back and forth.
Are you sure you’re not CR9? Just curious.
Pepi, I never really worried about 2004 that much. With that rotation, I was surprised that they ever got into the playoffs in the first place. Your #2 pitcher is Jon Lieber?
“Greinke would be awesome but would cost a ton,maybe hughes.”
Could be worth it to win WS this year.
At this point, Cash should just try to make smaller deals; it’s clear other teams have no interest in helping the Yankees – even at the expense of their own teams. For now, it’s a wing and a prayer with the rotation……………and the pen. Dump Park, give Alby a try and make Robertson the EIG. Joba? Low-leverage time – enough already.
Pepitone,
Montero yes, Hughes no.
Betsy,
The Yankees and AZ spoke this weekend.
The Yankees just weren’t going to get hosed on this deal.
As I said this AM, if it was not on their terms they would walk away and they did.
I can’t see anyway a team trades away their two best players in Soria and Grienke. Maybe one or the other. I could certainly by into Soria. Grienke’s past would scare me away.
Through the late 60s and early 70s make you admire just how good Mel Stottlemyre really was and wonder why he’s been pretty much ignored/forgotten when great Yankee pitchers are mentioned.
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Oh, no doubt. Mel Stottlemeyer was a stud on Yankee teams that were horrendous during that period. He had a winning record every year, except 66 and 72. I forgive him for 1966, that was the “Lost Weekend” for the entire franchise that year. Boy, did my Yankee hating friends have fun with me that year! Yikes, I still remember to this day the catcalls; “Hey, how’s your Yankees doing”?
He is underappreciated compared to the others, I agree.
“It’s not that the Yankees didn’t want to trade Joba. ”
SJ, that was what my “I just don’t buy it” was in reference to.
Trisha,
I don’t expect you to buy it because you don’t understand the business.
They are shopping Joba. They just aren’t giving him away.
“They are shopping Joba”
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positive news.
Yankees are not trading Hughes – he’s as close to untouchable as untouchable gets.
SJ, then I’m fine because while I do think they could really use a SP – I would rather pass on that SP then have that team just walk all over Cash and the Yankees. The thing is – it seems to be very difficult for the Yankees to make any big trade because no team is going to help them out; it’s all going to end like this. AZ took a crap deal from the Angels ………and they didn’t even insist on the Angels taking Snyder/Qualls. Cash is hamstrung in this way – he has to get his big guys in FA because he sure as heck can’t trade for them.
Cash is the epitome of cool.
Offered Montero and others for Lee and was rejected. No problem.
Made a reasonable offer to AZ for Haren. Rejected. No problem. No need to offer Joba + The Farm + take on salary + take on a piss poor player. What did AZ think we are, the OLD Yankee Org?
The needs are still in the bullpen. I had thought that a trade for a starter would have pushed Hughes back to the pen, but Girardi commented that that was not going to happen. So therefore a trade for a starter would have pushed Vazquez to the pen, or replaced him altogether.
Getting Aceves back in August would be like a trade, and allow Park to be traded or released. Mosely could also be a part of a package to land an arm like Scott Downs for middle relief.
Joba isn’t getting traded. Right now he has very little value as a reliever. Maybe as a potential starter, but not as a reliever, and his numbers and psyche proves that.
“And Joba was going to be a starter over Hughes….Is that correct Tricia”
Did the Yankees say that? I go on what the Yankees say, nothing more, nothing less. But you already knew that.
The yankees would put joba in a deal in a second if the right deal came along,forget about twisting every little thing possible just to be right.
Joba’s value diminishes every time he pitches like poison…………Do other teams see him as a reliever? A starter that the Yankees failed with? If Heyman is correct about Soria (not that I think he his), then I assume the Yankees offered Joba for him and the Royals turned them down.
Everything is purely speculation. Even Buster Olney or Heyman don’t have much of a better idea than we do.
I mean seriously, which executive for a baseball team is going to jeopardize a possible trade by spilling breaking news information before it’s set in stone. So when we here “they are talking”, half of it is probably not serious.
And i only say this because the last two times “Cashman was talking” we ended up losing on the deal.
I think the Yankees should be only talking with the Royals at this point for either Soria or Grienke. Either of them would be a GREAT addition. (MAYBE talk to the Phillies about Jayson Werth?) I think Sergio Mitre, Ian Nova, or possibly Javier Vazquez (if we have to go up that high) would get the deal done. Pitchers do better in the less-offensive National League. One of those guys could really help the Phillies
Jesus Montero is more valued in the organization than Joba right now and they had a deal in place to send him to Seattle for Cliff Lee.
My point is, there aren’t 5 guys in the organization who are “untouchable”.
Everybody can be dealt for the right guy.
Lost, I appreciate your input…However sometimes it’s not always worth the grief……Witness the Haren situation……As of last night, this deal with the Yanks had grown legs….Money was the issue to be hammered out……SJ pointed out this am, that Zona kept shuffling the deck and adding to the equation…..
Da Saint, do you have a link where Joe says Phil is not going to the pen in the regular season? Thanks!
I guess we’ll see whether passing on a Haren deal was a wise move for the Yankees or not. I like Cliff Lee’s stuff more than Haren, but I like Haren’s age and his being under control for a few years more than I like signing Cliff Lee to some absurd contract this offseason.
Joba should have been a possible inclusion, but I’d guess that Cashman figured the additional prospects that AZ wanted on top of covering all Haren’s salary AND taking on Qualls and/or Heilman was a bit much.
The one reason I’d have liked to have seen Lee or Haren here is so that we can throw Hughes back to the 8th inning for the remainder of 2010 while also creating some kind of wiggle room in case Pettitte’s groin turns out to be a bigger issue than it may seem to be now. To have CC, AJ, Haren/Lee, and Javy in a 4 or 5 game series is just filthy.
I hate Seattle’s GM and I want to burn his house down.
Greinke & soria please,pretty please.
m1kew July 25th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
I am surprised that no one here is suggesting the Yanks reacquire Johnny Damon. Just as he was signing the Detroit contract Damon himself mentioned that if the Tigers were not in contention maybe the Yankees would want him back. Personally, I do not believe reacquiring him is a good idea but I mention it here to stir the pot a little. (I know the target would be a right handed hitter but Damon still can hit lefties so I think that argument against bringing him back will not work.) And I am really happy with Gardner and do see Damon as an outfielder but Damon does fit Yankee Stadium and has a history of being a clutch hitter. I definitely would not want to give up much to get Damon but the thought should bring some interesting comments.
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Silly.
I suggested that just this very morning around 10 am
Yankees hadn’t spoken with #Diamondbacks in 2 days on Haren. Never seriously engaged, at least in their minds.
about 2 hours ago via UberTwitter
Kevin Davidoff
SJ44, I didn’t read all your comments above, but are you glad or disappointed that the Yankees didn’t acquire Lee or Haren?
Lost,
Don’t let the naysayers get you down. Many more on here appreciate your info than those getting upset about it.
Chances are one of us are going to copy and paste your tweets into here anyway
And what people need to realize is just because things end up differently, does not mean the original info was wrong at the time.
I don’t see it that way Betsy.
I think the Yankees are in a great position.
They don’t HAVE to do anything and still have an excellent team. They certainly don’t have to do anything big.
The good thing is, they have the assets to do big or small deals.
They just aren’t desperate as some other teams are and that’s a good thing.
So, who knows what to believe?
If AZ kept changing the ground rules, then – sorry, screw them.
“I don’t expect you to buy it because you don’t understand the business.
They are shopping Joba. They just aren’t giving him away.”
SJ, don’t force me to bring up your bad calls now. You haven’t always gotten it right. I understand the business. Because I don’t believe they are ready to part with Joba doesn’t mean I don’t understand the business. It means that I think they are not ready to part with him. And nobody on a fan forum is going to change my mind.
Time will tell whether I am right or wrong. Not everybody considers you the final word. And that isn’t meant with disrespect. I like to come to conclusions my own way. There is nothing
wrong with that.
(It’s too easy to say the Yankees changed their mind after they told your sources something – the way you did when you said neither Damon nor Matsui were being invited back. See I don’t have that to pull out of my back pocket. I give my opinion and if it ends up being wrong, well then it’s wrong. But until it’s proven wrong, to me it’s right.)
I’m leaving now, don’t everyone cheer at once. So if any arrows are shot in my direction, I will have to pull them out later.
Albaladejo is a week away from being recalled, unless there is an injury and DL trip for somebody. After that, it’s Nova. Until Melancon gets his numbers down, he’ll stay in Scranton. Too many hits, too many walks and a .284 BA against. If the DFA a pitcher, then, maybe Ring gets a call.
Those with inside info on this board are in many ways more reliable than the sportwriters.
The people in media are just another tool for teams to put the info they want out there.
Betsy, no I don’t have a link, sorry. Actually, I think it was on the Joe Girardi show on YES. He was asked about the innings limit, and mentioned that they had a plan, but that there would be no restrictions during the playoffs.
Pat M.-
There should be no grief involved as long as what you present is clearly defined.
You have a pretty damn good track right record although now we may have to take away your status as a complete Guru and leave it as just well connected.
“Everything is purely speculation. Even Buster Olney or Heyman don’t have much of a better idea than we do.”
And that is what I do buy. That includes what people put out on this forum in the name of absoloute certainty from people in high places.
I speculated that Joba wouldn’t be traded. For tonight, I am batting 1000.
Night all.
ed_price #Indians drew 32,876 on a Sunday for Strasburg. How many show up on a Monday to see if A-Rod hits No. 600?
“Da Saint, do you have a link where Joe says Phil is not going to the pen in the regular season? Thanks!”
He said it in the Joe Girardi show..
I wanted Lee and I think that would have been a great deal for the Yankees.
Haren? I was more lukewarm about it.
I was more in favor of an all prospects deal for Haren. I wouldn’t have included Joba in a Haren deal.
For a guy like Soria or Greinke? I’d put Joba on those deals on a NY minute.
Problem is, everytime he pitches, his trade value goes down, sad to say.
Noesi & betances are doing fantastic in the minors.
All of there numbers are great.
SJ, the Yankees rotation has high upside if Phil and AJ find their way out of their funks…………Although I don’t know that I trust Javy in a big spot in the post-season, I’ve no reason to expect that he’s not going to pitch well the rest of the year. He’s not great, but he’s pretty darn solid. That gives us CC, Andy, Javy……………..AJ ? He’s still a fave, but I admit I don’t trust him. That said, while he can completely spit the bit again, he can also go on a major roll. He’s not a guy you can ever rely on in the post-season because of this, but in the regular season, he might be ok………and maybe he’s going to go on a roll now.
Are they desperate? No – could they use more SP? Yes………but, the remaining SP out there are mediocre and not worth trading valuable prospects for.
Its a shame that Melancon hasn’t gotten his game together for the majors. I think his two stints here last year really shook him up. He hasn’t been the same since.
Alba seems to do well at Scranton, but may get another shot here in August. Frankly, I’d take my chances with Albaladejo over Park, and leave Mosely here until Aceves returns. Make Robertson the EIG, and use Joba in the seventh.
Come September, bring up everyone: Nova, Melancon, McAllister (presuming they haven’t been traded by then).
SJ, Pat M, Lost,
I appreciate your posts and enjoy them. Giving an informed opinion doesn’t mean you will always be right. I just enjoy good discussion and the information you all provide contributes to that.
In some respects it almost makes more sense to me for the Royals to trade Grienke than Soria if they were going to move one of them because he could bring back a good haul in prospects/players and also provide payroll relief.
Soria has a good team contract and they really have no reason to move him unless they are overwhelmed with the return (and I wouldn’t overwhelm them for a reliever). I don’t know how important shedding payroll would be to the Royals and I know Grienke is their best player but I think they could almost benefit more from trading him than Soria because the return would be better and it would rid them of payroll as well.
Thanks for the fun, everyone.
Will check in tomorrow.
DaSaint, I knew that there was no post-season innings limit, but I never remember hearing Joe say that Phil would not be put in the pen in the regular season to limit his innings. Well, if we don’t get a starter, he’s not going to be – so, they will have to try different things between his skipped starts because the long rest isn’t helping.
Is it just me or is Trisha more arrogant than a guy?
BBFan, he really said that Phil will be a SP through the regular season ? Thanks!
DaSaint, that’s how I would do it…..
It really is true that Joba’s value diminishes every time he pitches……..therefore, if the Yankees don’t trade him now, they’ve got to find a match during the off-season. I hope they can get something for him………
i agree i trade joba for soria
For the record, I wasn’t suggesting that the Yankees turn Joba into Haren, Qualls, and Snyder.
But, I would like to see Cashman turn Joba into something useful. Maybe he can snap his fingers and turn back Joba’s clock to 2007.
Lost,
Who’s not happy your posting here? Your sources or some people who post on LoHud? If it’s the latter, post away, please. Some of us like hearing bits and pieces.
The yankees will eventually trade joba if he does not get better because if he stinks in the pen he will not be given a chance to start & his value is dropping rapidly by the day.
His next birthday he will be 25 years old,not a kid anymore.
i like what logan done lately, if he keeps it up, like to keep him around if marte comes back
Trust me…there are more arrogant people on this board than trisha. There are a hell of a lot more annoying people than Betsy, too.
Betsy July 25th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Joba’s value diminishes every time he pitches like poison…
=====================================Joba won’t be lights out every time he appears, esp with a big lead. He seems to need the pressurized situation to thrive. Once the lead got down to 2 he came alive, 1-2-3. Mo does the same thing , at times. Relievers , who pitch better under pressure are what you want in any case.
Bullpen not looking too bad lately with Gaudin, Mosely and Logan looking better.
I don’t think I’ve ever come across a lady more arrogant than Trisha.
Folks, there are some warts and weaknesses: Bullpen and right-handed bat off bench come to mind, but let me remind all – we’re in 1st place, and are 27?? games OVER .500.
We’re not the Mets, Angels, Cubs, Phillies, Rangers, Boston, White Sox, or Dodgers, ALL of whom have major problems.
We have 3 of 5 starters with at least 11 wins each, and our other 2 starters are .500 pitchers. We have Rivera as the closer. We have a GOLD GLOVE caliber INFIELD all the way around the horn.
We have a rookie in LF hitting 40 points higher than most of US thought he would, with almost 30 stolen bases. We have a CF who’s having a rough year, yet who has played great defense. And we have a RF who 2 years ago most of US were scratching our heads when we heard of the trade but who now is an ALL STAR right under our noses, having a fabulous season, and loving every minute of it.
And we have young pieces playing their hearts out with great passion and defense: Pena, Curtis, and Cervelli, who have taken roles from likeable, good veterans such as Hariston and Molina.
We have a great team, and frankly, I trust that Cashman will do everything possible to add some minor – minor pieces, to make it better for 2010, or some major major pieces to help create another dynasty for the next several years.
Why would the Royals trade Soria for Joba? Soria isn’t that expensive and he’s better than Joba….It’ll take a lot more than Joba for that deal I would think.
Would the Royals hang up immediately if offered Montero and Joba for Grienke?
KC is closer to Nebraska–works out for Joba in any event.
Yanks are getting Cliff Lee 15 days after the WS is over (hopefully when the Yankees beat Atlanta in 5), and if Pettite is truly OK, Greinke is an afterthought.
In an ideal world, Joba for Soria, or Joba, McAllister, Nova plus something else for Soria and Greinke. Joba and Nova can start for KC, and are cost controlled for years. When Andy comes back, Phil goes to the pen as the 7th inning guy, Soria is the 8th inning guy, and then we have Mo. The Yankees would have to add volume to the deal, however. Not really sure the Royals need hitting.
I’m sure a lot of talking was going on behind the scenes during this 4 game set, especially during the rain delay. Let’s see if it pans out.
GB, I think everyone here and on other boards and all around the world are annoying/arrogant/etc….at some point – because we’re human. Anyone that posts on a message board or blog has invariably gotten into a few fights – in addition to probably taking aa brief vacation from those boards. If not, then I venture to guess the person probably isn’t being a real participant
I’d offer Montero + Joba + Gardner for Greinke then flip Javy for Werth and play worth in LF in place of Gardner.
Instead of Javy we’d have Greinke. Instead of Gardner we’d have Werth.
The trick would be to round out the Royals trade with prospects that help us get Soria as well.
Mick, I know many relievers don’t handle big leads well, but Joba struggles in close games as well……….He’s been good at times, he’s been sucky at times – he’s just not been good, period.
There aren’t any kids on the Yankees. Chamberlain will still come around. It might take a kick in the ass from Girardi or Sabathia to get through to him, but, it will happen. I know that his personal life is a mess, but, is there more going on than with the health of his father and the legal issues with his mother?
it’s clear other teams have no interest in helping the Yankees –
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betsty,
when were teams ever in the market to help other teams?!?
Lost,
I’d like to add to the litany of posters encouraging you to continue sharing your information. I think there are more who enjoy it than do not.
Lance M. Pendleton pitching down in Trenton is a guy to keep your eye on.
Bret,
That offer’s too rich.
Also, Werth gives you pop, but he’ll be a heck of a lot more expensive than Gardner.
At this point, I’m all tweeted out. I don’t ever want to know about any negotiations again. If a deal is done, great; if not – then leave me out of it.
Somebody needs to shine the randy l. signal over the Cape….
Please come back to Gotham, randy, things are getting out of hand.
Mick, I know many relievers don’t handle big leads well, but Joba struggles in close games as well……….He’s been good at times, he’s been sucky at times – he’s just not been good, period.
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He’s the best we have right now so until someone better comes along, he will be the EIG.
He hasn’t been bad enough for Robertson to replace him.
GB-
Best of luck Tomorrow. Instead of candy for Wratchet maybe you could bribe her with a new Gilette Fusion razor, and some edge shaving Gel.
Let’s send down Joba and call up Sanchez yo.
At this point, I’m all tweeted out. I don’t ever want to know about any negotiations again. If a deal is done, great; if not – then leave me out of it.
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Has Cash called you recently?
Betsy July 25th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
GB, I think everyone here and on other boards and all around the world are annoying/arrogant/etc….at some point – because we’re human. Anyone that posts on a message board or blog has invariably gotten into a few fights – in addition to probably taking aa brief vacation from those boards. If not, then I venture to guess the person probably isn’t being a real participant
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true, there are, as you say, times when everyone is arrogant and annoying….except me. and, I’m very human.
Robertson has shown to be more reliable and able to escape jams.
MTU July 25th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
GB-
Best of luck Tomorrow. Instead of candy for Wratchet maybe you could bribe her with a new Gilette Fusion razor, and some edge shaving Gel.
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Thanks, MTU. I was seriously thinking about getting her a date….with Kong, the Gorilla from the zoo. Not sure if I’d get arrested for cruelty to animals, though.
Mick, no – not just to help other teams. My point was that if a trade that benefits both teams is proposed, the other team is not going to be inclined to help the Yankees – they may get the job done, but they are going to extract a huge price from them, more than they would from another team.
don’t underestimate Albie’s role up here…he will be back
when marte and if aceves comes back the pen will be more than formidable.
Yes, he’s on my speed dial, lol.
No, seriously – following these proposed deals on the internet is giving me an ulcer. If something is not going to happen, I’d rather know about it. I would just love to know when something happens…
If Pendleton ever makes it to the MLB, it won’t be with NYYs unless it;s for a cup of coffee as a reliever. He’s at best a back of the rotation pitcher on a team like the Pirates, maybe a long reliever. Strictly trade bait fill-in.
GB, you’re the Mo of this board- or the Mary Poppins, practically perfect in every way.
Wow. Texas beating the Angels again. Angels going to Nowhereville this season.
It looks like those days are over Betsy. Cash is showing this , time and again.
We are dealing from a position of strength and if we don’t get their spare parts, well then eff em.
We will get the major parts we need somehow.
GB, you’re the Mo of this board-
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No comment.
Mark my words: Swisher’s continued (and affordable) performance makes Werth no longer required this off-season.
Crawford however, would still be a great fit for LF – IMO, but Gardner is doing a great job.
Lee is still the primary FA target this off-season (Visions of CC, Lee, AJ, Hughes, and Andy dance in my head). But first things first: Shore up bullpen, add righty bat, win WS.
m-
You know it has been raining Shamrocks when both the Angels and the Sox don’t make the playoffs in the same season.
Betsy July 25th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
GB, you’re the Mo of this board- or the Mary Poppins, practically perfect in every way.
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Thank you Dolly. You’re making me internet blush.
No, seriously – following these proposed deals on the internet is giving me an ulcer. If something is not going to happen, I’d rather know about it. I would just love to know when something happens…
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OK I will tell you this:
Something will happen, if it’s going to happen, next week, before Sunday.
If not, then in August, but waivers must be cleared , and boston will block anything that benefits us.
Nick in SF…..Randy ( Tin Cup ) is hitting the links so he can once again be a scratch hustling golfer………I’m off to walk my 1.2 mile in a pool then it’s off to enjoy a In-n-Out double double to comply with our Young Master Hughes agreement……SJ, I’ll be thinking about you as I enjoy each bite……..
So, both Joba & Phil are 1st year arbitration eligible, right?
Any chance either one avoids arbitration? What did Wang get his first year? Would Phil get more than Joba? If so, how much more?
GB, I remember when Pendleton was taken ages ago. Third round right? Seemed like he had a lot of upside as a big, college, fastball-curve righthander.
Injuries slowed him badly I guess? He’s gotta be almost 26-27 now.
GB, are you due to see the wicked witch again tomorrow? Be careful. Last time she wanted to have you stuffed and mounted.
Pat M., Randy’s got a lot of work to do to be able to do what I can do on the golf course.
Yanks really need a big righty in this lineup for 2010 and since they can’t trade for Crawford and must wait for him…Werth is the better fit for now. They can always offer arbitration to Werth and sign Crawford to bring in speed, run scoring, contact and extra base ability. This way they don’t lose any pics by signing Crawford.
I’m suspicious about Pettitte retiring at this point.
I think we can have Crawford and Lee.
But if we can use Gardner (and others) to get Greinke and bring in Werth to replace Gardner – I think it should be done.
Imagine a rotation of CC Sabathia, Cliff Lee, Zack Greinke, AJ Burnett, Phil Hughes.
Imagine our current lineup with Jason Werth and then Carl Crawford in LF.
PINCH ME.
Never gonna happen.
I’d be happy with Soria.
ecstatic even
Yeah, Pendleton doesn’t have that fastball anymore and at 27 years old in AA, he’s well past prospect stage. Arm surgeries pretty well cooked him. Still good enough for bad teams. I figure that if he isn’t included in some trade, he’s gone in the winter Rule 5 draft.
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Bret-
You can wake up now. It’s OK.
DaSaint007 July 25th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
GB, are you due to see the wicked witch again tomorrow? Be careful. Last time she wanted to have you stuffed and mounted.
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Simon, there are only two things in life that I’m afraid of and she’s both of them.
New thread
Postgame notes
And 16 minutes until Mad Men!!!!
My biggest complaint about Gardner is that despite his speed he rarely steals a base, rarely gets infield hits.
He got thrown out a few times and that seems to have stopped his running game for a large part.
Crawford steals bases regularly.
He has been pretty darn good with his bat, his fielding is good, its just that he under uses his biggest weapon. Maybe he’s gun shy or not able to get good reads, but it shakes up pitchers when he steals a base.
I enjoy the trade rumors, playing a bit with what it would take/what I would do. Its interesting to hear the rumors and play detective with what ones just don’t sound right. It helps pass some time between games.
I’d offer Montero + Joba + Gardner for Greinke then flip Javy for Werth and play worth in LF in place of Gardner.
Instead of Javy we’d have Greinke. Instead of Gardner we’d have Werth.
The trick would be to round out the Royals trade with prospects that help us get Soria as well.
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LOVE that trade idea. AND it’s pretty legitimate. Instead of Gardner, i would trade Granderson. That’s just me…I think Gardner has more upside at this point.
The Yankees just did not want to pay all that Haren salary and give up the prospects as well. That is why they said no Joba. But at this point Joba being dealt is not an impossibility. As long as they get another reliever (soria)
Does anyone else like Boone Logan?