“One of the toughest players I’ve ever been around”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 25, 2010 
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On the day Andre Dawson, Whitey Herzog, Doug Harvey, Jon Miller and New York’s own Bill Madden take their places in Cooperstown, this seems a good time to share Joe Girardi’s lasting impressions of The Hawk, his old teammate in Chicago.
“My first memories stand pretty tall,” Girardi said. “I was fresh out of A-ball in big league camp. My locker was between him and Vance Law, and that was somewhat intimidating. Hawk was somewhat of an intimidating figure, but a real nice, gentle man. Tried to teach me the game. One of the toughest players I’ve ever been around in my life. His knee surgeries he considered to be a 20-minute oil change a Jiffy Lube. He would walk out of the hospital. The power that he generated. His arm strength. I was fortunate enough that he was around almost every day that I was with the Marlins, helping our young hitters.”
From myself, congratulations to Bill. I was with him for a while on the night he got the news. It was a pretty neat experience for me. I can’t imagine how he was feeling.
I am glad Dawson is going in as an Expo. When we moved upstate, Montreal was our closest stadium, and I have a soft spot for some of their former players like Andre, Rusty Staub, Gary Carter and Vladdy.
upstate kate -
I kind of miss that there is no more Montreal Expos team. What a shame. I remember a long time ago when I was young and a Mets fan, they traded away three young promising players for Le Grande Orange (those young players were Kenny Singleton, Tim Foley and Mike Jorgensen – le petite orange, they called him up there), who ended up all playing well for the Expos. And then the other deal that brought Gary Carter to NY. Montreal had some great players, great teams.
Anyway, congratulations to Andre Dawson today!
I also remember when I used to watch the games when the Mets played in Montreal, they used to show the national anthem before the game (which they don’t do these days unless it’s a special day), and I remember having to sit through two national anthems. I remember liking “O Canada” a lot.
we get to hear “O Canada” a lot, it is a very pretty anthem, and much easier to sing
Blake/Doreen-
Replies to both of you in the previous thread.
And good morning to you as well Kate.
I read that the Yankees were scouting Oswalt last night. That only makes sense. The D-Backs should be shown other options exist. That does go along with today’s rumors that the Yankees may be losing interest or having doubts about Haren. I would guess this is posturing, but I have never felt the Haren deal would occur and still don’t.
good morning to you MTU. I trust your monster hike went well
Austin-
Agree with most of what you said above with one exception.
The part about the probability of a Haren deal.
I think they want him but only in a fair trade.
Sending quality players and eating entire contracts is a message the Yankees want to send. And they are.
If the Snakes “get it” a deal will follow IMO. If not we walk.
Kate-
I’m still vertical if that’s what you mean ?
I posted about it last eve.
Over 11K and an immediate climb satring at 10K. No mercy.
I’ll post pics when YMH hits # 15.
How did Jim do ?
From the last post adding good morning to all and also glad Dawson finally getting rewarded as a HOF:
Good morning Roy Rogers, Blake, Doreen and everyone-
The Diamondbacks are asking for more from the Yankees than the other interested teams, like the Tigers and Phillies, where they have interest in lower level prospects.
If the Yankees are all in on Lee for next year and given the salary increases, resigning of Jeter and Mo, and perhaps Pettitte, if Hal wants the salary capped at around 200 million, adding Haren and the rest of his contract might not fit in their plans.
That being said, the Yankees should make the playoffs, without adding another starter. If they get to the WS, facing the pitching staffs of the Braves, Cardinals, Giants would pose a challenge.
No to including Joba unless the Diamondbacks provide salary relief and a good prospect of their own, like RP Esmerling Vasquez.
Austin-
I meant to say that the Yanks DON’T want to send the message that they would include top players and eat money in deals. Duh.
MTU
his race is today. I will be going down in a few hours. I couldn’t find a ride earlier, and it was more important to him to have me there at the end to drive him home. So at this point, hopefully he has finished the swim and is on the bike.
MTU,
Where are you hiking? I will be hiking in Rocky Mountain National Park next week. I can’t wait. Temperatures in the 50s and 60s. They have hikes up to 14K there, but I’m not sure this flatlander will be ready for that. so
I do want Haren, but I just don’t feel it will happen. I am wrong frequently so no one should be discouraged.:)
YT-
I was the only kid in my NY neighborhood who had Chaps and a six shooter as such a young age.
I was born to be a “buckeroo” even then.
And follow the immortal words of Greeley “Go West young Man, go West.”
Which I did.
Who’s that DB’s relief pitcher ? not familiar with him.
Kate-
Best of luck to him.
He is made of steel.
“Good morning Roy Rogers”
lol
MTU,
I understand what SJ was saying and I agree with it also. Sounds like its more the principle of the thing than anything else and it makes sense. They have to nip this Yankee tax stuff.
I guess my question is though: If the Yankees have no plans on making Joba a starter again, then the farther he gets away from being one, the lower his trade value is going to go I would think. Apparently, the D’Backs still think they can make him a starter…next year there may be no teams that feel that way as he would be 2 years removed from starting.
As a Yankee and Joba fan would it be better to get value for him now and allow him to have a chance at being a starter elsewhere? or run the risk of him being a middle reliever for the Yankees a couple years from now with no trade value?
Personally, the only way the yanks get Haren is if the Dbacks value those two pitchers better then other teams’ prospects. Even in our own eyes both Nova and MacAllister are back of the rotation type starters. If another team includes an already MLB tested player I would think that trumps any offer the yanks put forth, as they do not value Haren as high as Lee and are only willing to propose an offer of what they think Haren is worth. I doubt another team is going to pull a rangers and drop a high ceiling former top prospect to get Haren given his alarming high hit rate and balls in play.
Austin-
I was up at an area near “Cedar Breaks” national monument.
To be precise, we climbed Brian Head peak which is nearby.
That sounds great on RMNP. Our temps were mid 70′s even though
it was well over 100 back home.
Just enjoy yourself. that’s all that counts. Having fun and enjoying the splendor.
I might be in Colorado hiking in Sept. Up near Leadville. lot’s of 12K peaks around there.
Enjoy, and take lot’s of photos to share.
Don’t try any of the stuff Stallone did in the movie “Cliffhanger”.
Would the Phillies or Tigers be willing to take all of Haren’s salary in a deal?
Blake-
“As a Yankee and Joba fan would it be better to get value for him now and allow him to have a chance at being a starter elsewhere? or run the risk of him being a middle reliever for the Yankees a couple years from now with no trade value?”
Great question. I don’t have a definitive answer for you. You could argue that both ways. That’s why I’m glad the big boys make those calls.
“Apparently, the D’Backs still think they can make him a starter”
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blake,
I am not so sure about this. The Diamonbacks need all kind of pitching help and said they are looking for both starters and relievers.
Buster Olney speculated that the Diamondbacks are looking at Joba because they want a closer.
LGY,
that could be true….Its possible that they just like the arm and would make that decision once he was theirs and they could evaluate him in house. He was pretty impressive when they played in Arizona a few weeks back.
Vasquez is a 26 yo righty whose ERA is 4.46 but BA against is .207, .182 against righties.
My point is that the Snakes are asking more from us than either the Tigers or Phillies plus want the Yankees to eat the entire contract on a pitcher who apparently has gone from a fastball at 92 to 90 now, which makes his split finger less effective.
Oswalt was terrible last night. Are the Diamondbacks going to trade Haren before Tuesday, when he’s due to face the Phillies in Philly?
MTU July 25th, 2010 at 8:10 am
When I awoke this morning there was big old “harvest” Moon getting ready to set over the mountains in the distance.
Kind of reminded me of why I love the West so much.
Also took me back to my childhood dreams of being a cowboy, and that song Roy Rogers used to sing “Don’t fence me in”.
For me, just change “ride” to “hike” although riding would be really cool too.
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If you sing as bad as you type and post, you’ll be a rich man. You can go out and collect the bounties on all of those coyotes that committed suicide listening to you sing.
MTU–The only cliffhangers I will be around are tied games in the ninth inning. As you might guess from my name, I do come from an area that gets a bit hot. It’s cooler here than in many place right now. I do recall my son playing a baseball game when it was 110. That was hot even for us.
Enjoy your trip. I do believe I may have had a faster draw than you as a kid.
However, I was always more of the Bret Maverick type.
Would the Phillies or Tigers be willing to take all of Haren’s salary in a deal?
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If the Phillies move Werth, I’m guessing it’s possible. Haren would need to give his permission to go to the Tigers and now that Magglio Ordonez is out, with no viable replacement, they need more than Haren.
GB-
lol.
Yeah, It just kills ‘em dead. Instantly. It’s much more humane.
Can’t begrudge a fella making a living.
The CIA was trying to use me as their new secret weapon. It’s much worse on detainees than “waterboarding”.
“If the Phillies move Werth, I’m guessing it’s possible. Haren would need to give his permission to go to the Tigers and now that Magglio Ordonez is out, with no viable replacement, they need more than Haren.”
Thats kinda what I was thinking as well. If salary relief is more important to the DBacks than the prospects that receive in return then that may work in the Yankees favor in all of this.
Andy now throwing long toss could mean he’ll be back sooner than later.
Cashman may want to see 1 more start from Mitre before pulling the trigger on a Haren deal.
Friday night / Saturday morning could see a flurry of deals.
YT-
What if the Phils happen to find out that Werth isn’t “worth” what they think he is ?
Austin-
Don’t doubt for a minute that you could outdraw me. I was mostly into making a lot of noise with mine.
Those were “simpler” types with many happy memories.
Cowboys, and cars with chrome tailfins.
America at her Zenith.
“Would the Phillies or Tigers be willing to take all of Haren’s salary in a deal?”
Tigers could for sure. They have tons of money coming off the books (a number that increased considerably with Magglio’s broken ankle guaranteeing his $18M for ’11 won’t vest). Phils? Probably not. $135M committed to players in ’11 already.
Detroit’s in real trouble right now. They’ll have to outpitch teams by a lot. Inge is out for 4-6 more weeks, Ordonez is out 6-8 weeks and Guillen now has a calf injury. He came up with a strain in the right calf yesterday and has a large knot in it. Their offense now consists of Jackson, Damon, Cabrera and Boesch….supported by 5 .200 hitters with little speed and less power.
GB-
And as far as my typing goes. I learned from the best.
MTU July 25th, 2010 at 9:32 am
GB-
And as far as my typing goes. I learned from the best.
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Now that was just uncalled for.
MTU–I would have used my swivel holster. No drawing needed, just rotate the holster. When lacking in physical tools, use trickery.
I see Ordonez’ injury as making the Tigers all the more likely to feel they must do something. I think they ae the main Haren competition, and I expect Haren wants to get the heck out of that losing situation so he would waive his no-trade.
austinmac July 25th, 2010 at 9:04 am
I will be hiking in Rocky Mountain National Park next week. I can’t wait. Temperatures in the 50s and 60s. They have hikes up to 14K there, but I’m not sure this flatlander will be ready for that
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Austin, having lived there, you definitely don’t want to be pushing yourself on those 14ers. That being said, there are plenty of relatively easy trails for someone coming from close to sea level. Don’t know if you’ve been there before, but it’s an amazingly beautiful park. Last time I was there was August of 08, just before I moved back east…… was snowing like crazy at the top on Trail Ridge Road. Be prepared for any type weather.
Large line of thunderstorms just passing Columbus, Ohio and into PA. I’d expect some rain and maybe a mid-game delay. Hopefully, NYYs have a sizable lead and any delays are after the 7th inning.
“Tigers could for sure. They have tons of money coming off the books (a number that increased considerably with Magglio’s broken ankle guaranteeing his $18M for ‘11 won’t vest). Phils? Probably not. $135M committed to players in ‘11 already.”
If the Phillies won’t pick up the entire tab for Haren’s contract then it could come down to whether Haren would approve a trade to Detroit or not. If he wanted to come to NY, couldn’t he just say no to Detroit and force the DBacks to either take the salary dump to the Yankees or keep him. Who knows.
Austin-
“I would have used my swivel holster. No drawing needed, just rotate the holster. When lacking in physical tools, use trickery.”
You sound like one of the “bad” guys Austin.
Re: the Tigers and Haren
In order for Haren to waive his NTC to go to the “striped ones” they might also need to pick up his final year option I would think which aint exactly chump change.
Something to think about.
Love Rocky Mountain National Park…just beautiful.. I visited Glacier, Yellowstone, and RMNP all in one fantastic summer once.
Blake-
That was one fantastic summer !
With injuries to the Detroit offense, it would make it less likely for Haren to accept a trade there. Their offense is now about as bad as San Diego’s and Oakland’s.
After Oswalt’s performance yesterday, I think that St. Louis gets in on the bidding for Haren.
JCPD–I have been to the park before. I love it. There is nothing quite like hiking to a mountain lake.
Blake– That must have been an amazing summer. Work screws up my freedom.
How in the world is Jon Miller getting inducted into the Hall of Fame?
Are broadcasting standards really that low? I mean how is Jon Miller in and Sterling not?
I would think one advantage of Oswalt over Haren for the Cards is that his contract is a year shorter and would end the same time Pujols’ is up.
Whereas with Haren, they would be on the hook for 13 million dollars in 2012 while trying to re-sign Albert. I don’t know what their financial situation is or if they could swing that after giving Holliday the contract they gave him. They may could but have Oswalt’s money coming off the books the same time Albert’s did would be beneficial I would think.
MTU, Austinmac,
It really was, I was still in school at the time. Unfortunately spending the summer out west isn’t really realistic for me any more
Good morning all –
All the machinations that we’ve been going thru re: Dan Haren – I’m sure Cach has also been going thru. There’s a lot to consider before trading for him, with his track record, and contract, and what’s going to happen with Andy, and the bullpen, and Cliff Lee. And that doesn’t even get into the trade price. That’s why this is going to go down to last minute, or nearly so.
Detroit is in quite the pickle. How they fare the next 3-4 weeks may determine their season. They may be out of the Haren derby. Forget the no-trade business – if Detroit paid him for to waive that clause, he’d go there, IMO. The thing is, do they want to spend that much money given their pickle with injuries. That would be an awful lot of $$$ to spend on a lost season.
AZ may not have many trade partners to deal with. I would not be shocked that, if partners fall by the wayside, if Cash gets AZ to actually pick up part of Haren’s salary. After all, he got the Pirates to pay for Eric Hinske last year.
Joe,
I agree, Cashman really is in a pretty good spot here and because the Yankees really don’t NEED Haren, he can puts the screws to the DBacks and make this deal on his terms or simply walk away…..make uhm sweat Cash.
If I’m the Tigers I gotta get a bat and fast. They could make a Werth deal, perhaps but getting into the Haren bidding doesn’t seem like the higher priority.
Yanks will be patient as always. They’ll let Airzona know there’s the “A” list of prospects if they eat about half the $ 30+ Mill Harden still has guarantees and there’s the “B” list of guys — think McAllister, Suttle types if you want a fortune in salary relief
Haren can block anything and has publicly stated he would prefer to stay out West.
Wasn’t Mosely terrific yesterday? Pounding the bottom of the strike zone with power sinkers. Sorta reminiscent of Mr. Wang. I don’t see how Mitre starts ahead of Mosely next time out.
Curiously, I haven’t seen anything from the dimwits who wanted Mosely released so Albaladejo could stay up.
Need some length of out Phil today with Gaudin, Mosely and Mitre all unavailable. Of course Robertson, Logan and Joba can each go two innings if need be.
If Cashman does not trade for a starter before Mitre’s next turn I would rather see Mosley take the start over Mitre.
I think a lot depends on Andy. Seems like from what I read yesterday Andy could be back well before the end of August.
Guys, you know all those stories that appeared yesterday and today about Andy feeling so good, might be back 2-3 weeks, not 4-5? I’ll bet anything that the Yanks planted those to the writers, just to put a little more pressure on AZ.
They’ll baby Andy as they do everyone. But I bet he throws from the mound early this week in Tampa and then does a full bullpen when the Yanks are down there for the weekend with Girardi and Eiland there to watch.
Glad they don’t have much interest in Lilly. The never should have traded him, but the way the ball carries out of the new park they need strike out and ground out pitchers not fly ball guys like Lilly (who could be excellent for the Mets).
The D-backs are asking for Jacob Turner, a top prospect, from the Tigers – I don’t think that’s necessarily asking for less from them than the Yankees.
As to Joba, if Klapisch and co. are to be believed, then the Yankees don’t know what they are doing. The only way holding onto Joba makes sense is if they still think of him as a starter. If they think of him as a starter, they need to fix him and get him back on track…………as a starter. How do they intend to do that if they don’t send him down? They can’t do it in ST – and in any case, I don’t see a spot for him in the rotation even if he had a great spring. The Yanks will either have CC, AJ, Haren, Phil, Andy or CC, Lee, Haren, AJ, Phil or CC, Lee, AJ, Andy, Phil. If they don’t get Lee or Haren and Andy retires, I still don’t see them plunking Joba in the rotation esp. when Phil is still an unknown and uncertain quantity.
I also think people are jumping the gun with Andy. He’s not a doctor – just because he feels well know doesn’t mean he’s going to be ready early. Plus, the Yankees will be very cautious with him.
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Detroit’s in real trouble right now. They’ll have to outpitch teams by a lot. Inge is out for 4-6 more weeks, Ordonez is out 6-8 weeks and Guillen now has a calf injury. He came up with a strain in the right calf yesterday and has a large knot in it. Their offense now consists of Jackson, Damon, Cabrera and Boesch….supported by 5 .200 hitters with little speed and less power.
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Sounds like a perfect time for Detroit to give up on the season and trade Johnny Damon back to the Yankees
Do we really want a guy who prefers to stay out west? Haren probably can’t handle the pressure packed AL East..he’s not even having a good year.
LMAO. You’re so compassionate, Erica. Another team is in trouble and you only think of ways to lift their financial burdens. What a girl.
Yeah, all of us who wanted Alby to stay up are dimwits……..nice
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2010 at 10:14 am
LMAO. You’re so compassionate, Erica. Another team is in trouble and you only think of ways to lift their financial burdens. What a girl.
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Thats me! Always thinking of ways to help others
You have all of the compassion of a shark. That’s what makes you my kind of lady.
CC preferred to go out west too. I don’t think Haren is a great pitcher but I think he’s a very good pitcher and a guy that consistently K’s a lot of guys and logs a lot of innings (a younger Javy in a way). I wouldn’t give up top prospects for him but if they can get him for the guys that are being rumored then I like it. Plus he would be a good RH bat off the bench
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....hes_t.html
Phil should probably hold off on working on the change until he can get the curve under control – it’s just not a consistent pitch for him. Maybe it has to do with the fact that it is a relatively new pitch for him
Blake, I hope he’s not losing his stuff like Javy has………….and he’s a FB pitcher in YS, not a good thing (we have enough of those). I’m going back and forth on this, to be honest………..
Albie is a one inning guy at this point. They felt the need to have more than one guy who could give them length in the pen. Turns out, they were right, given yesterday’s developments.
Betsy,
You keep beating the drum the Yankees “don’t know what they are doing”?
What do YOU want them to do so we can compare whether you know more than they do?
Why do they HAVE TO trade Joba Chamberlain right now?
There is no need to trade him right now. If they want to trade him, they can do it in the off-season and have more trade options for him than they do right now.
In fact, if the “plan” is to trade him, trading him now would be idiotic because you have limited options.
As far as “fixing him”, they are in the middle of a pennant race. That takes priority.
Meaning, they are going to keep working with him at the big league level and try to fix him AND have him contribute to helping them win another WS. You know why? Because he is needed more at the big league level than he is in Scranton.
Why is that a “bad plan”? Seemed to work last year and they have the best record in baseball so far this year.
They have to be doing something right.
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2010 at 10:17 am
You have all of the compassion of a shark. That’s what makes you my kind of lady.
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LOL… Sometimes I do genuinely feel bad for people. This just isn’t one of those instances.
Erica
jonmorosi Raburn will bat third for the #Tigers today. Larish in, too. Damon still not in lineup, according to @OFFICIAL_TIGERS.
Tigers rained out Friday, Johnny didn’t start yesterday and isn’t starting again today. What’s up with your MPB?
SJ, why are you picking on me? Blake has been saying the same thing…………nevermind, don’t bother answering; I’m an easy target.
Sounds like a perfect time for Detroit to give up on the season and trade Johnny Damon back to the Yankees
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Maybe a megadeal in the works Damon and Verlander to the Yanks for? lol
Just a total side note since I wans’t around yesterday-
How amazing was Dustin Moseley?
One hit over 4.2 innings. Even though the offense couldn’t complete the comeback he really kept them in that game.
Betsy,
According to fangraphs, his average FB velocity is about the same as last year and in line with the rest of his career. He’s on pace for 233 K’s and 233 innings pitched this season despite some of the other numbers being down.
However, I’m sure the Yankees have some of the same concerns you do which is why they are proceeding with caution and trying to make sure they are getting a good deal if they do this. He’s not Cliff Lee and I don’t think they are pursuing him like he is but he is a pretty good pitcher.
You’re the one that keeps saying Joba is merely a reliever………..no, they don’t have to trade Joba now and if you’ve read ANY of my posts, you’d see that I have qualms (despite not being his biggest fan) about trading him.
pat July 25th, 2010 at 10:23 am
Erica
jonmorosi Raburn will bat third for the #Tigers today. Larish in, too. Damon still not in lineup, according to @OFFICIAL_TIGERS.
Tigers rained out Friday, Johnny didn’t start yesterday and isn’t starting again today. What’s up with your MPB?
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If he is injured CBS didn’t pick it up. He pinch hit yesterdsay. All I know is he is hitting over .330 in July
Yankee Trader July 25th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Sounds like a perfect time for Detroit to give up on the season and trade Johnny Damon back to the Yankees
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Maybe a megadeal in the works Damon and Verlander to the Yanks for? lol
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Let the speculation begin!!!
Where is Chip? LOL
Blake, no doubt……….the key thing is the Yankees don’t need Haren, so they can walk away and it’s no big deal. I think they need another pitcher, but why make what they think is a bad trade out of desperation? That has never been Cash’s M.O……………….
Something that Burnett said after his start made me think that perhaps this could help Chamberlain. Burnett said that he changed his sight target, especially with his curve ball. He said that instead of aiming at the glove and having it break out of the strike zone, he aimed at the catcher’s mask. I guess we’ll see if that works during his Cleveland start.
http://riveraveblues.com/
Good read about haren & the prospects it might cost.
We will not get haren with nova,McCallister,it’s going to take at least 1 big prospect + more.
Banuelos is the name floating around.
It is one thing to ask for joba or ban but joba,banuelos,nova,mcCallister is way way to much for a pitcher we do not need.
I have a funny feeling pettitte won’t be back,especially if we win it again.
Betsy-
Attached is Jacob Turners bio/stats. He’s an A level prospect.
http://www.baseball-reference......rner002jac
MLBtrade rumors saying trade talks heating up for lefty RP Scott Downs.
Betsy,
I haven’t exactly been saying the same thing. I don’t think the Yankees can send Joba down this year because he’s still the most talented arm in their bullpen aside from Rivera and could be a difference maker if he could improve and pitch better.
I do think the farther he is removed from being a starting pitcher, the less his trade value will be and am not sure that an opportunity to trade him for a player better than Dan Haren will ever come around..it may but there is no guarantee of that.
Sherman’s take: it makes sense, actually…………though I doubt they would have pitched Lee over CC after what CC did for them.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....xI8xFLoWFO
he aimed at the catcher’s mask.
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GB,
That probably helped AJ because he envisioned throwing at Posada and since we all know he doesn’t like Jorge… J/K
GB7-
With as much break that AJ has on the curveball, maybe the target should be the batters head! lol
Blake, ok, maybe not, but the only way it makes sense for the Yankees not to trade Joba is if they think he’s a starter………and I just don’t see how they are going to get him going again as a starter at this point because he can’t be sent down. Despite what SJ said, I never said they had to trade Joba now – or even that I was all for it. I’m just not sure where I see a spot for him in the rotation anytime soon……..unless Phil really has major issues next year.
Heading to the beach now….
Here’s to A-Rod immenent 600th home run
And happy Yankee watching!
Yankee Trader July 25th, 2010 at 10:32 am
GB7-
With as much break that AJ has on the curveball, maybe the target should be the batters head! lol
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Perfect. That remark is sure to bring Christina 25 over here to complain about Yankee pitchers taking aim at her boys. This is now on your head, Trader.
Wich is it,they don’t need haren but need another oitcher?
Joba,ban,nova,mccallister is a big haul to give up for haren,pass.
If it is ban,nova,mccallister i might do it,that would depend on how good we think ban can be.
I pass on haren & get a bat & pen arm,sign lee next year.
Let the speculation begin!!!
Where is Chip? LOL
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Chip’s in Sunday school!!
Fran the original July 25th, 2010 at 10:32 am
he aimed at the catcher’s mask.
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GB,
That probably helped AJ because he envisioned throwing at Posada and since we all know he doesn’t like Jorge… J/K
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You finally come around….the sweet, young thing that you are, and what happens? You try to cause trouble.
Morning, Fran. Hope all is well with you.
This is now on your head, Trader.
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That’s why I will not get in the batter’s box-can’t afford any more memory loss!
The Haren stuff isn’t complicated.
They aren’t taking on all the money AND give up Joba Chamberlain.
Joe is right….its not a coincidence the Yankees leak that Andy is feeling good.
This is what goes on in trade talks. Everybody leaks and plays one another. Its all part of the game of chicken that goes on.
The Yankees position is simple…..We take on all the money, you pick 3-4 players from the list WE give you. If you want more? Kick in money in the deal.
The more money you kick in, the better player you get.
Don’t want to kick in any money and don’t like the like of prospects we (the Yankees) give you? We say, “thanks for playing” and walk away.
They aren’t going to do anything that messes up getting Cliff Lee in the off-season, nor establish a precedent for paying more than they need to for players.
Dan Haren is a good pitcher. A guy who could help the Yankees.
However, he isn’t going to be a guy that disrupts their short term or long term goals.
Which is why the Yankees are in the catbird seat here. They can walk away at any time from this deal and their lives aren’t hurt in the slightest.
ron July 25th, 2010 at 10:29 am
http://riveraveblues.com/
Good read about haren & the prospects it might cost.
We will not get haren with nova,McCallister,it’s going to take at least 1 big prospect + more.
Banuelos is the name floating around.
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I agree with this sentiment. If there’s a prospect-only proposal on the table where the Yankees agree to eat all of Haren’s salary, I suspect the D-backs insist on Banuelos being in it. I’m not sure Cash put him in but I bet AZ wants him in that prospect-only version of the trade.
You have to figure there’s 1 big prospect going for Haren and Nova is no centerpiece.
I’ll be surprised if Cashman protects Joba at the expense of Banuelos but there must be a huge risk involved in removing Joba from the 2010 bullpen. There’s probably nobody to replace him on the trade market.
My guess is, the Yankees front office knows AZ is bleeding money and thus is likely leaning towards a prospect-only package. Cash probably wants to keep Banuelos out of the deal but he might have to compromise and let him go.
Manny Banuelos + Ian Nova + Zachary McAllister + David Adams.
Yankee Trader, yes, but he’s a top, top prospect………..Anyway, we’ll see; this isn’t going to happen quickly if it happens at all.
Trading a 19 year old left hander with Banuelos’ ability isn’t happening. He’s possibly within 2 years of NY. He could be the perfect replacement for the rotation. He’s the best left handed pitcher in the system that’s not yet in NY.
Ron, why can’t it be both? They don’t need a pitcher as good as Haren, but they could use another starter; that said, I am not enamored with anything out there, so I guess I’d rather try and make do for the time being.
I would absolutely not trade Banuelos………..
You finally come around….the sweet, young thing that you are, and what happens? You try to cause trouble.
Morning, Fran. Hope all is well with you.
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GB,
I’ve been corrupted by the LoHud blog
Hope you are doing well GB. Hopefully no Nurse Karloff sightings in your future!
Yankees checked in on what it would take to make “Greinke” a “Yankee”. Shoulder concerns..
about 11 hours ago via web
http://twitter.com/LostNYY
I think cashman does not wan’t to take an option away from girardi by trading joba.
It is not about one single prospect here,it is about all of them combined while taking on 33 million dollars when we don’t know for sure we need haren or how good he will be.
If haren stinks this trade looks terrible if it costs us joba,ban,nova,mccallister + 33 million dollars.
Way to much to give up when cc,burnett,pettitte,vaz are our 4 playoff pitchers.
Pretty much:
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo....._deal.html
Let’s say for example the Yankees are able to get Downs.
That gives them options….
They can keep Downs, re-sign him in the off-season, and have another weapon in the pen.
They can “rent” him, make the Haren trade, and at least have the bullpen covered.
They can let Downs walk in free agency and get two draft picks. Probably what they would do since its a great draft next year and its a quick way of re-stocking the farm system.
How does that affect Joba? Perhaps he’s in the Haren deal and it saves them from trading Baneulos because they feel they have the pen covered with the Downs acquisition.
Its why GM’s often work on parallel tracks and work a variety of deals at the same time.
When and if one hits, it affects what they do with another deal.
What are the Jays asking for Downs?
Let’s look at the trade prospects for Haren, with the Diamondbacks wanting pitching ready arms in return:
Phillies-want him but need to unload Werth’s contract 1st and the arm they got from Seattle in the Lee deal has had a bad year-Aumonte?
Cardinals- If Oswalts performance last night turned them off, I don’t believe they have the pitching necessary to make a deal without huring their staff.
Tigers- Jacob Turner is a A+ prospect and they need an outfielder and a starter, plus more-Ted Lilly?
Dodgers-No money!
Braves, Reds, Giants, Rays-starting staffs are solid.
Red Sox-Don’t want to exceed the luxury tax limit, which is where they are now.
Minnesota- has no pitching to offer
Any other thoughts?
IMHO if the Yankees give up just Joba and are willing to take on Haren’s salary, that is a fair deal, when comparing to what the other teams are “rumored” to offer!!!
Betsy… no offense about the “dimwit” reference. It was not targeted at you and others who like Albie but those who advocated releasing Mosely who the Yanks need for length out of the pen.
Still, it was a snarky comment. I apologize. It won’t be repeated.
I read the piece by Sherman and while he makes good points I have a better chance of being the next Miss America than Cliff Lee has of getting $ 25 M a year. Trading for Haren does make it difficult to pursue Lee without moving a midrange conftract like Granderson’s. And that’s assuming Pettite retires.
The real key to the 2011 payroll will be what it takes to retain Mariano and Derek.
It does not matter how we view our prospects,it matters how the yankees view them.
We don’t know how the yankees view ban,joba,etc….
We are in a win now mode with an aging team,another thing to consider but no way i trade joba,ban,nova,mccallister for haren,i much rather have a nice bat & reliever because imo our pitching is good enough now with lee probably here next year.
If i can get a stud pitcher then i give up just about anything except hughes.
Fran the original July 25th, 2010 at 10:45 am
You finally come around….the sweet, young thing that you are, and what happens? You try to cause trouble.
Morning, Fran. Hope all is well with you.
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GB,
I’ve been corrupted by the LoHud blog
Hope you are doing well GB. Hopefully no Nurse Karloff sightings in your future!
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That’s what hanging around people like Erica and Erin does to you. If you start talking “Muppets”, you’ll know that the conversion is complete and you;ll be ruined.
Doing fine, here, Fran. Thank you for asking. I fly down to Tampa tomorrow and have a 6 month check-up. Nurse Sasquatch will be haunting the halls.
GB7-
Hoping for all the best for you. How long do you have to stay there in captivity?
GB-
Good luck in Tampa tomorrow. I mean that.
86, I know it wasn’t directed at me………….and thanks for the apology. We needed Mosely yesterday, but you could make the argument that Park could have been dumped. The reason for keeping Alby up is to see if he could be effective for us and not try and make some trade for lousy reliever.
GB-
And by the way, you’re more than welcome to borrow my body armor.
Ban is only 19 or 20 years old in a ball so he is more than 2 years away unless he burns through the minors,unlikely but the yankees are very high on him even though he is a tiny person.
5 feet 155 lbs.
Is it possible for Cashman to use Cervelli as a trade chip for an elite reliever?
It seems Cashman can make this Haren trade work with Chris Snyder coming back to be a better hitting backup for when Posada DH’s.
I mean, can Cashman swing a deal where the Yankees agree to trade Joba for Haren while eating all Haren’s salary provided the D-backs include Snyder while paying the remainder of Snyder’s 2010 salary?
Then Cashman uses Cervelli in a package to get an elite reliever like Downs?
I just wonder which Danny Haren is on the market. The top of the rotation guy of recent years or the mediocre, bored edition of 2010 with a 4.60?
I’d love to get Downs, that’s for sure.
rice tag? I would guess Boone Logan plus a pretty darn good prospect… JR Murphy? Romine?
GB,
Good luck with your check-up. I’m sure you’ll be just fine. Just remember to avoid the nurses!
Sox don’t even need a pitcher- and do the Cardinals really? I’m surprised they’ve been so into Oswalt……………but anyway, one bad start shouldn’t dissuade them.
Thanks, guys. It’s just a check-up to make sure that nothing has returned to hurt me….besides Nurse Karloff. I think she’s just kept around to show me what could happen if I give them trouble.
The trading deadline is still 6 days away. If trading Haren is strictly a salary dump by Arizona they may get more desperate as it gets closer to Saturday. Cashman should wait them out.
Ron,
What you say is absolutely correct.
That’s the difference I often see with fans and teams.
Fans overvalue EVERY prospect. They have an “untouchables list” that drawfs any ML GM’s list. They get too attached to the romanticized version of having a team full of homegrown players.
Prospects are just that, prospects.
Out of the 1500 players that are signed via the draft and IFA systems, less than 100 ever become fully vested in the major league pension program. Meaning, they have 10 year major league careers. Meaning, most of these guys, no matter how talented they are in the minors, never make it big in the majors.
Given those long odds, the game is often how you well you evaluate your own players.
Do it well, and the record shows the Yankees have done that very well over the years, you can really help yourself.
Overvalue your own guys, as the Red Sox and other teams often do, you do as much damage to your organization as making a bad trade.
Fran the original July 25th, 2010 at 11:03 am
GB,
Good luck with your check-up. I’m sure you’ll be just fine. Just remember to avoid the nurses!
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Staying away from the nurses won;t be difficult. The scary thing is, she’s one of the better looking nurses…in comparison to the others. I sure to envy her beard and mustache, though.
Betsy — I agree Albie deserves another shot. Park has a better MLB track record despite his HR woes this year. I would have been more inclined to keep Park and Albie and instead DFA Gaudin but they didn’t ask me.
I think Banuelos is the next Billy Wagner. Undersized guys usually don’t hold up as starters, which is why Scott Kazmir should also go to the pen.
5 feet 10 inches i meant.
bret,
I don’t think they would be interested in trading a low cost guy for Cervelli for a high cost guy in Snyder.
That adds more payroll to a position they are loaded in at the present time, when you count Montero and Romine into the mix.
If they take on Haren’s salary, that’s enough. They aren’t going to tie themselves up even further with a 5+ million dollar commitment to a backup catcher.
That would impact getting Lee in the off-season and they won’t run that risk.
There is another factor involved with Haren and Arizona’s demands……………… The unsigned draftees as well as IFA prospects (Like Luis Heredia) the Yankees may want to sign. If Cashman would look weak and give in to Arizona, then some of these guys and their advisors will simply demand that the Yankees give in to their requests as well (I bet Scott Boras with Martin Viramontes and Kevin Jacob would do exactly that). If however, they hang tight, and either get Haren at their price, or don’t get him at all, these guys will get the message the Yankees aren’t to be played with, it will increase the odds they can be signed at a reasonable price. Cashman has shown that he will not be played (Saying NO to Cliff Lee & Johan Santana come to mind), so I predict that unless Arizona Joba & Banuelos are off the board, Haren is not coming here.
Do the Diamondbacks want to wait until Wednesday, after Haren is showcased in Philly, his last start? Maybe if he’s rocked, Kei Igawa will get Haren?? lol
Pedro had an ok career for a little man but you consider it for sure.
Does anyone remember the WBC?Remember the Dutch catcher who was throwing guys out from his knees.Well..he’s now a pitcher for the Dodgers,made his debut yesterday,and was throwing 100mph with very good control.
After A.Jones,Jurrjens we have another one:Kenley Jansen(just 23 years old).Can’t wait for the next WBC(unlike the rest of this blog)
SJ44 July 25th, 2010 at 11:10 am
bret,
I don’t think they would be interested in trading a low cost guy for Cervelli for a high cost guy in Snyder.
That adds more payroll to a position they are loaded in at the present time, when you count Montero and Romine into the mix.
If they take on Haren’s salary, that’s enough. They aren’t going to tie themselves up even further with a 5+ million dollar commitment to a backup catcher.
That would impact getting Lee in the off-season and they won’t run that risk.
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What would AZ want if the Yankees wanted Haren + Snyder + cash considerations for all of Snyder’s remaining 2010 salary and half of his 2011 salary?
Yanks lineup Sun vs. KC: Jeter 6 Swisher 9 Tex 3 ARod DH Cano 4 Posada 2 Granderson 8 Gardner 7 Pena 5 Hughes 1
Banuelos is built along the lines of Ron Guidry. Very similar pitchers, though Banuelos doesn’t have that sharp of a slider yet and didn’t hit 96-97 MPH. Then, neither did Guidry at the age of 19.
Bret-
What does Snyder offer the Yankees, other than some homerun power, that Cervelli doesn’t? Now maybe a third team would be involved?
GB-
“Banuelos is built along the lines of Ron Guidry. Very similar pitchers, though Banuelos doesn’t have that sharp of a slider yet and didn’t hit 96-97 MPH. Then, neither did Guidry at the age of 19.”
Yeah.OK. But can he speak “cajun” like Gator ?
That’s what really counts.
That Spanish accent just aint gonna cut it.
ahhh pena in the lineup again, this stinks
Yankee Trader July 25th, 2010 at 11:19 am
Bret-
What does Snyder offer the Yankees, other than some homerun power, that Cervelli doesn’t? Now maybe a third team would be involved?
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My thinking is that if Joba is going for Haren, he needs to be replaced via trade. If Snyder is added, Cervelli becomes a useful trade piece for an elite reliever.
My thinking is, if Cash doesn’t want to part with Banuelos in the prospect-only package, he can modify the Joba centerpiece package where he agrees to pay all of Haren’s salary if AZ helps the Yankees free up Cervelli for a separate trade to replace Joba.
By Luke Adams [July 25 at 9:14am CST]
The competition in the Scott Downs sweepstakes is “fierce,” tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Morosi suggests that the Yankees and the Red Sox are the current front-runners, but that the Mets, Reds, and Twins are also involved.
I can see us getting downs,trading joba & leaving ban out of it.
joba,nova,mccallister + maybe one more.
It really doesn’t matter what AZ would want. I don’t see the Yankees adding that much payroll over this trade deadline period.
It creates too many complications for them in the off-season.
If you notice, even in the Cliff Lee pursuit, two things were apparent.
They weren’t interested in giving up anybody on their 25 man roster and they were very aware of not adding too much payroll to impact their off-season. That for a guy they LOVE.
Haren is a guy they LIKE. The difference? They won’t do as much to acquire him as they did with Lee when they put Montero into the deal.
Cervelli can’t bring the Yankees back an elite reliever. He’s a backup catcher with no power.
That’s not a guy that brings back elite relief help.
It’s hard to complain about a lineup that has Jeter, Alex, Cano, Posada, Swisher and Tex in it.
Let me rephrase
My thinking is, if Cash doesn’t want to part with Banuelos in the prospect-only package, he can modify the Joba centerpiece package where he agrees to pay all of Haren’s salary if AZ helps the Yankees free up Cervelli for a separate trade to replace Joba. If Snyder is added, Cervelli becomes a useful trade piece for an elite reliever like Downs.
The end result would be an upgrade in the pen from Downs to Joba, a boost in offense when Posada DH’s from Cervelli to Snyder and a huge improvement in the rotation from Mitre to Haren, not to mention a boost to the pen when Pettitte returns and Hughes is added.
I’d bet that if that rain really soaks the ground, Swisher will be kept out of the game. Not sure that it starts on time, though. The leading edge should hit Harrisburg and Reading in less than an hour. The majority of it is hitting Pittsburgh now.
SJ44 July 25th, 2010 at 11:23 am
Cervelli can’t bring the Yankees back an elite reliever
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Alone, no. But he’s a “useful trade piece”.
PIECE.
As in….PIECE of a PACKAGE
bret
If they wanted Chris Snyder, they could have done the Haren trade Friday night.
They don’t want Snyder. They don’t want to take on his salary, they are loaded at the catching position, and they don’t see that as an improvement because it shackles them for next year.
In other words, adding that payroll for next year impact going after Lee.
They don’t need an upgrade at catcher. They just need to wait out Arizona.
edit:
The end result would be an upgrade in the pen from Joba to Downs, a boost in offense when Posada DH’s from Cervelli to Snyder and a huge improvement in the rotation from Mitre to Haren, not to mention a boost to the pen when Pettitte returns and Hughes is added.
If NYYs were to take on Snyder, they couldn’t trade him because Cervelli would be requested as a fill-in piece, and, no, Romine or Montero are not coming to NY now.
I think snyder has a very large unattractive buyout also.Not good.
Joba,nova,mccallister + a throw in for haren with az kicking in a few million & we get downs.
AZ doesn’t have any money to kick into anything.
That’s too much – I wouldn’t do that.
Scrap Detroit from the Haren race. They just added Guiilen to the DL. Adding that kind of money and the cost of talent won’t do them a lot of good. They now need offense and I’m not sure they can do both in the way of talent going out.
SJ44 July 25th, 2010 at 11:32 am
bret
If they wanted Chris Snyder, they could have done the Haren trade Friday night.
They don’t want Snyder. They don’t want to take on his salary,
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Dude.
Can you PLEASE not make statements that totally disregard points I’ve already clearly acknowledged.
I could’ve sworn I mentioned a scenario that suggests the Yankees not take on Snyder’s full salary.
Here:
Bret The Hitman July 25th, 2010 at 11:02 am
I mean, can Cashman swing a deal where the Yankees agree to trade Joba for Haren while eating all Haren’s salary provided the D-backs include Snyder while paying the remainder of Snyder’s 2010 salary?
Here:
Bret The Hitman July 25th, 2010 at 11:16 am
What would AZ want if the Yankees wanted Haren + Snyder + cash considerations for all of Snyder’s remaining 2010 salary and half of his 2011 salary?
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Can you see that I’ve honed in on the issue of Snyder’s salary concerns and that your statement “They don’t want Snyder. They don’t want to take on his salary” seems to suggest that I’ve completely ignored it.
I’m getting exhausted.
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2010 at 11:32 am
If NYYs were to take on Snyder, they couldn’t trade him because Cervelli would be requested as a fill-in piece, and, no, Romine or Montero are not coming to NY now.
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I can buy that.
AZ doesn?t have any money to kick into anything.
SJ – you don’t think AZ would take paying only 25-50% on the dollar? If the alternative is paying full freight, I’d think I’d take what I could get if I were them.
“By now you’ve been inundated with rumor after rumor and discussion after discussion on how much value the Yankees would give up to receive D-Backs pitcher Dan Haren. The Yankees have said that they’re not willing to give up Joba Chamberlain, Ivan Nova, Z-Mac, Banuelos and eating salary. No, I have no new news to report. With other teams balking and Arizona hemorrhaging cash, it makes sense for the Yankees to wait it out and see the asking price drop. So what would you give up to get Haren? Remember, we’re talking the most you’d put toward the center of the table”.
The word that you are looking for is “exhausting”.
The D’backs are looking to SHED salary bret. They aren’t trading a player AND paying their salary to another team, especially a big market team like the Yankees.
That’s not a realistic scenario.
The D’backs are bleeding money. If they made a deal like that, their fan base, as well as their creditors, would go nuts.
“However, there is more to that. I saw a great comment yesterday, one that Moshe Mandel of TYU pointed out. steve (different one) notes that contrary to the belief of some, it’s not that one player holds up the deal, but rather, adding that one additional piece that tips the scales in the wrong direction. Maybe losing Joba isn’t a big deal. Maybe even adding the salary of Haren and giving up Nova is something they’d be willing to do. But an additional piece, an asset they clearly value, like Banuelos or Z-Mac is just too much for them. That asset would be there to offset some kind of other loss, and thus, would be too steep a price for what the team may consider just a luxury. At the same token, you can’t just offer up Nova, Z-Mac and Ramiro Pena and expect them to jump. That porridge is too cold”.
“The D’backs are looking to SHED salary”
SJ, given the injuries in Detroit, do you think there is another team out there that would take on Haren’s entire salary other than the Yankees?
Glad to see Swisher and Gardner back in the line-up today. The Yankees will be seeing O’Sullivan for the second time in a week so hopefully they will do better against him this time around.
And I hope Alex hits #600 today. Like to see him do it at Yankee Stadium.
actually, I think if NYYs had the choice of giving up a pitcher between Nova and McAllister, McAllister would have been gone yesterday.
Yesterday, after receiving some disturbing news, I decided to go on the blog, to help clear my head – Big Mistake.
I proceeded to tear into Jorge Posada, who, despite having some rough games in the field of late, did not deserve my comments, and neither did those, whose comments I responded to.
I’d like to say an imposter wrote those comments, but that would not be true, it was me, not being myself.
I apologize to anyone I might have offended yesterday.
Have a good day; enjoy the game – Go Yankees.
AL
I don’t think the D’backs care a fig about their fan base in this, but their creditors are a different story. If that’s truly the case, then Cash really has them by the *****. Because if they really, really, really have to ditch that salary, then they can’t be picky about the player return. And Cash can rob them. The only reason why Cash may not totally rob them would be if there is an ulterior motive, namely, Cash is thinking of his reputation going forward, and how other GMs view him.
The only other teams in the hunt would seem to be the Phillies, and the Cards. And the Cards have to think about payroll space for Pujols.
Cash seems to be in the driver’s seat. The only complicating factor is whatever other deal he is working on.
This is not just playing chicken, though that is a big part of it. It is working on multiple scenarios simultaneously.
SJ44 July 25th, 2010 at 11:45 am
The D’backs are looking to SHED salary bret. They aren’t trading a player AND paying their salary to another team, especially a big market team like the Yankees.
That’s not a realistic scenario.
The D’backs are bleeding money. If they made a deal like that, their fan base, as well as their creditors, would go nuts.
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If the dump all of Haren’s salary plus half of Snyder’s – they’ve SHED close to $40 million dollars and picked up Joba + Nova + McAllister + someone else.
Blake,
Not sure. It’s tough financial sledding right now for teams.
The Angels could if so inclined. The Red Sox could in theory but, aren’t going to do it.
The Dodgers should be able to but can’t because of the McCourt’s divorce.
The Cardinals have the money. Not sure if they have the will.
Colorado can but, I’m not sure they are in on him.
It’s a small market, which is why the Yankees aren’t in a hurry to do anything.
Ah, is there a lineup for today, it is minutes to noon
Big Al, I hope you’re ok………..
Big Al – That was very big of you. We don’t see enough of this accountability here. Thank you.
I wonder what teams like AZ which have no $$$ and can’t add payroll, thus having to dump players with high contracts if they can, think when they read Texas is interested in Jorge Cantu (owed $2mil for the rest of the season) and has the go ahead from a judge in their bankruptcy case to add payroll. This on top of what they already added for Lee.
I’m sure these other teams are thrilled to be subsidizing Texas’ improvements while some of them are having $$$ problems of their own.
You know that it’s killing Selig, but, he’s going to have to accept Mark Cuban into the ownership club if he hopes to save one of these franchises. The last thing he and the other owners want to see is a younger version of George Steinbrenner. There’s just not that many that want to put their money into losing propositions like Arizona and possibly Texas.
Does Mcallister’s dad being in the Arizona organization possibly make him a more attractive chip as far as Haren is considered.
Cuban in major league baseball with no salary cap is going to be tremendously interesting. NBA season doesn’t intersect too badly with baseball season so he will still probably be a clubhouse presence in both.
Not ALL fans overrate prospects. I don’t think there are any untouchable prospects, especially when a guy like Montero has been offered in 2 trades in the last 6 months. Every prospect is available for trade, I just hope that Cashman uses the prospects to get back the most value possible.
Joba and a few pitching prospects for Haren? Excellent value for the Yanks, Cash should pull the trigger on that immediately.
GB-
Not sure if having 2 big ego guys like Cuban and Ryan works.
On the other hand, that might be one kick a** combo.
Hard to tell.
The Dollar, Dollar Bills, Y’all
~”On the financial side, it preliminarily looks like it could work. Financially, the team should have close to $80 million coming off payroll next year. Of course, with Jeter and Mariano, you’re probably looking at $30 million next season in contracts. So we’re down to $50. And even with Haren, you’d still be looking at another pitcher at over $11 million, so we’re down to $24-25 million. (Drop even further if that pitcher next year is Cliff Lee.)”
~”Heard this: It could be Andy’s last year. Photo Credit: Kathy Willens, AP
With the bullpen needing some improvement and the DH situation looking cloudy, in addition to arbitration to Hughes, salary jumps to Teix, Granderson, and Swisher, we’re probably down to around $18 million. Of course, this is all highly dependent on a myriad of factors, but let’s be clear — there is a very good chance that Haren and Lee for around $32 million is a realistic possibility next year. It’s basically Andy, Javy and Kei Igawa being replaced by those two.”
GB-
Oh and by the way, if something is sticking in Selig’s craw I sure don’t see a problem with that.
MTU July 25th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
GB-
Not sure if having 2 big ego guys like Cuban and Ryan works.
On the other hand, that might be one kick a** combo.
Hard to tell.
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I’m not sure that he’d let Ryan stay. Not sure what their relationship is. I could see him raiding the most successful MLB teams of front office and scouting staffs, though.
For some reason, most of these comments have nothing to do with the post they are attached to. Back on topic, I just want to say that although the way that Chad phrased it is not incorrect, it should be pointed out that Miller and Madden are receiving awards, for which they should be congratulated, but they are NOT being inducted into the Hall of Fame. And there is no “writer’s wing” in the HOF. Only one writer is in the Hall, and no broadcaster (as a broadcaster). This is commonly misrepresented. Again, Chad did not say it, but it is implied in his post.
Good morning everyone.
Fran,
I’m like you. When I saw the lineup my first thought was that it’s good to have both swisher & Gardner back. Not a single negative thought about pena.
As for joba’s future role? I don’t think you can say anything definitive like they must be planning to make him a starter. Why can’t they make him into the elite reliever that everyone is trying to trade for? Or it could be a negotiating tactic. Or he could be seen as a future starter (though when would it happen and where would he fit?)
GB-
My understanding, however dubious, was that Ryan and Cuban would join forces in the same ownership group.
If I was wrong in that assumption I apologize.
And you are probably correct Steinbrenner jr. would look for the best talent available to run the ship so he could multiply his billions.
GB-
One last thing. I would think that Cuban would be very foolish to allow a person like NR to get away from him.
He could always offer him a job as the GM, or the director of scouting.
Would Nolan accept that ? No idea.
Haren isn’t coming here.
“Joba and a few pitching prospects for Haren? Excellent value for the Yanks, Cash should pull the trigger on that immediately.”
Agree.
Rich-
“Haren isn’t coming here.”
Did you talk to Cash this morning ?
Hi Mel,
Great minds think alike
Plus Girardi had said that Alex would get today off if he had hit #600 or DH today if he was still at 599, so I expected to see Pena. Would have won GTLU today if we played.
Is it just me or is it weird how little the blog has been updated today. Not even a line up yet at :50 till.
“# Rich in NJ July 25th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Haren isn’t coming here.”
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Thank goodness
we survived A.J. and his 0-5 and 8 run era in all of June, I think we can live without Dan Haren
“# Asd July 25th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Is it just me or is it weird how little the blog has been updated today. Not even a line up yet at :50 till.”
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I hope it means Girardi isn’t starting Gardner or Swish today, I want them to pound that Cy O’Sullivan after his last start against the Yankees with his endless junk that kept them off balance.
“Joba and a few pitching prospects for Haren? Excellent value for the Yanks, Cash should pull the trigger on that immediately.”
It’s an awful deal in this market for a pitcher with a 98 ERA+ and a has a lot remaining on his contact in this economy:
11:$12.75M, 12:$12.75M, 13:$15.5M club option ($3.5M buyout)
The deal isn’t happening.
Something tells me that as they said about George Steinbrenner years ago, “There’s nothing as limiting as being one of George’s limited partners.” I can’t imagine Cuban wanting to share ownership or credit with a Texas legend like Nolan Ryan.
>Macfan: I hope it means Girardi isn’t starting Gardner or Swish today, I want them to pound that Cy O’Sullivan after his last start against the Yankees with his endless junk that kept them off balance.
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I’m confused how the first half of the sentence lends itself to the second.
MTU
No, what I have said still stands and it’s echoed by Sherman. He makes too much money for a team with so many pre-existing salary commitments and there are real questions about whether or not his league averagish season is anomalous.
The Yankees are focused like a laser (as a fromer POTUS once said) on getting Lee in the offseason, and trading for Haren puts that at risk.
Something tells me that as they said about George Steinbrenner years ago, “There’s nothing as limiting as being one of George’s limited partners.” I can’t imagine Cuban wanting to share ownership or credit with a Texas legend like Nolan Ryan.
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And that’s likewise I’m sure.
I don’t think MLB would approve Cuban.
I don’t much, but I know 2 things. First Cuban REALLY wants to own an MLB team. Second Selig is REALLY set against Cuban owning an MLB team.
I can’t stand either guy, so give them both guns and meet at high noon.
Fran,
Great minds indeed! Life is much better when you look for the positive, isn’t it?
The Yankees might be in on Haren because they like him?
Also, they can want Lee all they want. But other teams will, too. He’s not in pinstripes yet. He’s going to be getting more attention than the only pretty girl at the ball.