Yankees postgame
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 25, 2010 
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The Yankees were exhaling after this one because A-Rod was OK. They didn’t plan to send him for X-rays because he could squeeze with the left hand that got drilled with a fastball in the eighth by Blake Wood.
“It didn’t hit him flush,” Joe Girardi said. “We got lucky. It was a scary moment. He’s such a big part of the ballclub.”
“It just got away,” Wood said. “It could’ve happened to anybody. It just happened to him in that spot. I was trying to throw a fastball in on his hands and it got up. I wasn’t happy with what happened, obviously.”
Rodriguez was disappointed he didn’t hit No. 600 at home, but now he wants to get it over with on the road. He said he will play Monday night in Cleveland. …
Phil Hughes gave up two more homers and has now allowed 15 – all at home.
“I’m making a lot of bad pitches here,” Hughes said. “I know I’m pitching a lot better on the road than I am here.” …
After reaching the 1,000-hit mark with a two-run double in the eighth, Robinson Cano said it was “one of my dreams come true.” He said he’ll think about 3,000 if he gets to 2,500. But he’s only 27 and he hit the 1,000 mark in fewer at-bats than any homegrown Yankee in the expansion era other than Derek Jeter and Don Mattingly. …
Joba Chamberlain was booed heavily after giving up a walk and a two-run homer in the eighth.
“It won’t be the last (time),” he said. “I understand I have to be better and I have to get better.”
His ERA is now 5.95. Girardi wouldn’t rule out giving the eighth-inning work to David Robertson at some point, saying, “If that’s something we have to do, it’s something we have to address.” …
Derek Jeter’s bat finally seems to be coming around again. He had three more hits, giving him five multihit games in the last seven. …
The Yankees won’t be getting Dan Haren. The Angels got him from Arizona. …
OK, that’s it for tonight.
Thanks, Brian.
I don’t know what you wrote to piss off GB7, but the rest of us appreciate your efforts.
Oh well, I didn’t get to add an A-Rod 600th home run ticket stub to my collection.
but i did get a sweet umbrella.
GB, It would take the entire golfing community and even then, no one person could approach what your contributions to the game of golf…….Moody was right and he saved many a noggin by keepin you away from the links………When the time comes, Randy & I will always stay far away from you & SJ’s cart……
I’m hoping they send Joba down tomorrow. There’s no way that Nova or Sanchez can pitch any worse than this guy.
I think Carl Crawford is yesterday’s news as far the Yanks are concerned this offseason. Gardner has made that possible.
I don’t think Gardner is untouchable per se, but why in the world would the Yanks deal him?
Gardner, by himself, has completely changed the Yanks’ focus this offseason.
DaSaint007 July 25th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
GB, are you due to see the wicked witch again tomorrow? Be careful. Last time she wanted to have you stuffed and mounted.
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Simon, there are only two things in life that I’m afraid of and she’s both of them.
Caught part of the Rockies-Phillies game today and they flashed a stat that Werth hasn’t hit a homer in his last 100 plus ABs.
Caveat emptor.
Blake-
That’s another horse we didn’t get roped and into the barn.
Maybe should find a new profession.
Pat M. July 25th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
GB, It would take the entire golfing community and even then, no one person could approach what your contributions to the game of golf…….Moody was right and he saved many a noggin by keepin you away from the links………When the time comes, Randy & I will always stay far away from you & SJ’s cart……
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I’m the Glenn “Fireball” Roberts of the golf course.
Irreverent Discourse July 25th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Oh well, I didn’t get to add an A-Rod 600th home run ticket stub to my collection.
but i did get a sweet umbrella.
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And boy, did it come in handy today
Gardy and Grandy drove them crazy on the bases, Kendall threw one to the SS.
GB, just get your arse back here after tomorrow’s appointment, and that’s an order Sarge!
Separately, I don’t take much comfort in Joba’s quote that it won’t be the last time that he’s booed. Great attitude. This kid needs a demotion back to Scranton in the worst way. To me he’s getting Ian Kennedy attitude, and if so, he better remember that history does repeat itself.
MTU,
Eh, its ok. Sounds like their was yet again a “Yankee tax” involved if they were going to get Haren. Its a bit hard to have an opinion on it without knowing exactly what it would have cost…must have been too much. Cashman has been pretty active though in talks this year so I would expect him to do something before the deadline.
Betsy-The Angels did get some salary relief, whats left of 3.7M due Saunders plus incentives for reaching 180, then 200 innings.
GB7-Signing off, but again wanted to wish you the best on your checkup. Remember this 10 player Yankee-Oriole trade?
June 15, 1976. Doyle Alexander, Elrod Hendricks, Ken Holtzman, Grant Jackson, and Jimmy Freeman acq. from Baltimore for Rick Dempsey, Scott McGregor, Tippy Martinez, Rudy May, and Dave Pagan.
A ten-player deal that gave the Orioles better long-term rewards-Dempsey, McGregor, and Martinez all helped the Orioles to two pennants (1979, 1983) and one World Championship (’83). But Jackson, Alexander, and Holtzman were a combined 25-12 to help lead the Yankees to their first pennant in 12 years. Alexander started Game 1 of the ’76 World Series.
The Yankees nearly pulled off another deal on the same day, but Commissioner Bowie Kuhn vetoed Oakland’s attempt to sell Vida Blue to the Yankees.
Blake-
Like what ?
At this rate we’re gonna lose the whole herd.
Reading the comment from Hughes about his giving up HRs at home, I think its gotten in his head and he is trying to be too fine.
I still have some concern over that hit on Alex. Even a glancing blow on the hand can cause damage, and it may not be realized till the endorphins calm down just how hurt you are. With some luck he will be fine, but that was still very nasty, and Wood shouldn’t be pitching up and in like that being that he doesn’t have enough control to do it.
Now I expect KC to make up for hitting Alex by making the Yankees a very favorable trade. I think that’ s fair, being that Park didn’t hit one of their players.
Pat M -
If you haven’t left yet, I’d appreciate if you could help with a restaurant recommendation near the OCPAC – Town Center in Costa Mesa?
Thanks in advance. We’ll be going there first week in August.
Alex seems aware but not overwhelmed with the quest for 600. That’s good news.
Too many “kids” in the majors who can throw a ball through a wall but have no control over it. Lucky today that it was a glancing blow and not a direct hit.
Wonder if Robbie got his ball back and what it “cost”?
Doreen,
I hear there’s a Ga. Pig in Costa Rica, er Mesa.
MTU,
no clue. Bullpen and bench help I would assume but you can never discount the chance of an out the blue big splash from Cashman. The Royals stuff is interesting but I really don’t know whats there. Trading Soria doesn’t make a lot of sense to me unless they get a big return. The asking price for Grienke would be nice to know….I’m sure its steep.
Thanks for the kind thoughts and encouragement, simon and Trader. I got guts, though. I can face The Beast Of Tampa and still keep down my dinner.
mick -
Hardy-har-har.
Doreen, I’m out the door, where are you staying ????? You going to see Young Frankenstein at The Performing Arts Center, the best in the world to see a play……I’ll respond when I return, what type of food ???/ GB, I’m petrified to get on the golf course with you…….The plan is for the 4 of us to try and get together next March ???/
Random note of the night:
The 2010 Yankees have scored 3 less runs through 97 games than the 2009 Yankees.
3…
Carry on.
Trader, that’s just cruel. That was an ugly trade. Hard to believe that the best player the Yankees got in that deal was Grant Jackson.
Doreen,
Make sure you don’t sit too HIGH in the outfield on Jerry Garcia night.
Pat M. July 25th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
Doreen, I’m out the door, where are you staying ????? You going to see Young Frankenstein at The Performing Arts Center, the best in the world to see a play……I’ll respond when I return, what type of food ???/ GB, I’m petrified to get on the golf course with you…….The plan is for the 4 of us to try and get together next March ???/
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LMAO. and well you should have fear. I’m deadly on the golf course. I never knew that an ex staff sergeant in the military could show fear, but, Orville did. I got even with him, though. He sent me to Vietnam and I ran him out of the Army without a retirement check.j
Gardner impacts the game along so many dimensions. Happy to have him as a Yankee!
Granderson- I was really afraid that we had made a terrible deal in getting him. But, there are signs of life in his bat.. so that’s a very good thing. He has done well all season in the field and reasonably well on the bases, although sometimes I think I’d like to see him steal more.
Requests to Chad & Brian & Josh & Sam..
– More updates on our walking wounded– Pettitte, Marte, Aceves, Nick Johnson
– Also, I for one would sometimes like to see your responses to the comments made by others. The way it is now, you write your post, and then go on to the next thing you have to do, rather than being engaged in the conversation… Just my thought.
Blake-
You never know what Stealtman has up his sleeve I guess.
The pickings seem to be getting slimmer though.
Would trade Joba and Montero + for Soria ?
“Would You”. sorry. lingering altitude sickness.
P. Abe had one of his comments removed from his Okajima rant/post.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....lps_g.html
I wonder what the hell he said??? I don’t understand why he mixes it up like that. I mean, just stay above the fray, dude.
Would trade Joba and Montero + for Soria ?
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Not a fantasy baseball league.
MTU July 25th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Would trade Joba and Montero + for Soria ?
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I’d rather use Montero to try to get Greinke.
Looking at Cott’s Yankees spreadsheet. $145M committed to 10 players (including 1 who’s not even on the 40 man roster).
Jeter
Mo
Pettitte
Lee (?)
Phil & Joba due for raises
Noticed that Brackman’s ML contract expires this year. What does that mean for him and the Yankees?
Mick-
Who’s doing the hanging up ?
The bonus of getting Greinke is the Yankees could spin Javy Vazquez into something good.
I would.
Blake-
OK. Then. What’s your give for Greinke ?
“Would trade Joba and Montero + for Soria ?”
I wouldn’t no. If a package like that could get Greinke, then yes. I have no idea what they’d ask for him though.
Greinke was crapping his pants in the dugout.
Major gamble in NY.
I’d offer Montero + Joba + Gardner for Greinke then flip Javy for Werth and play worth in LF in place of Gardner.
Instead of Javy we’d have Greinke. Instead of Gardner we’d have Werth.
The trick would be to round out the Royals trade with prospects that help us get Soria as well.
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LOVE that trade idea. AND it’s pretty legitimate. Instead of Gardner, i would trade Granderson. That’s just me…I think Gardner has more upside at this point.
You guys are in too many fantasy baseball leagues.
Blake-
Wanna know what would get Moore’s attention on Greinke ?
Joba, Montero, Nunez, and GGBG.
MTU,
I’d give up a lot for Greinke. He’s 26 and has really really good stuff, plus he’s relatively cheap for 2011 and 2012. I don’t know if Montero + Joba would perk their interests or not but if so I’d start there.
Greinke MUST have a no trade to NY.
Mick-
Greinke would have to triple the dosage on his medicine if he ever set foot in YS as a Yankee pitcher.
Is tomorrow’s Yankees-Indians game gonna be shown ESPN in the NY area?
either that or drop acid and do what Doc Ellis did…
Grienke does have limited no-trade protection through the end of this season. Would the Yanks be on his list? Dunno. Possibly.
Proposed topic for a post, or possible article for the paper:
I’d like to know more about Joba between his times on the mound.. What is his workout? Who is he talking to? Does he spend extra time working on stuff (or just limited Bullpen work as prescribed by Eiland)? Is he trying to get stronger? Or smarter? Or is he trying to perfect individual pitches? Does he have a routine? Or is it just whatever he feels like on a given day? And the bigger question- what’s it gonna take to get him “fixed”? (He certainly can’t continue performing like he has so far this year, and still be around.)
And a more general relief pitcher question- since they have to stay ready to pitch on almost any day, how do they schedule workouts for some of the things mentioned above? Do they have to schedule their workouts for after a game is finished, so that they aren’t tired if they get called in to a game?
I really would like to hear some insightful comments and feedback on these questions.
Geek
Do we get college credits for this term paper?
“I’d like to know more about Joba between his times on the mound”
I’d rather watch Animal House for the 30th time.
Pat M -
We’re basing our operations out of Disneyland – the Paradise Pier Hotel (we’re Disney Vacation Club members). We’re going to see In the Heights, but we did see Young Frankenstein here in NYC. It was a hoot – surprised it closed so soon. We pretty much like any kind of food. Thanks a bunch.
mick -
You are a laugh a minute!
“Joba Chamberlain was booed heavily after giving up a walk and a two-run homer in the eighth”
encouraging sign!
“The 2010 Yankees have scored 3 less runs through 97 games than the 2009 Yankees.”
they have also allowed 56 fewer runs this year than they had a year ago on this date.
On July 25th 2009 the Yankees had a +75 run differential as opposed to their +128 run differential as of today this year.
You guys are nuts on this Grienke thing! He’s good, but Joba, Montero, Nunez and Gardner? No way. He’s no AL East Stopper for crying out loud.
Would I trade Montero? Yes, because I don’t think he’ll be the catcher of the future. I think that’s Romine. Sure he can be a DH, but seriously, we have lots of projected DH types for the next 5+ years, and in my mind, DH’s are a dime a dozen. Montero is a man without a country, meaning no role on this Yankee team. He’s trade bait and Cashman has done a great job building him up.
As far as Soria is concerned, a shut down reliever is the last think the Royals need, unless they have a rotation that can get them there, so he too is tradable.
Montero for Soria straight up would be my offer. A power hitting ‘catcher’ for a power reliever. Maybe throw in a minor league arm like McAllister or Nova, but that’s it.
Saint-
Just include Igawa.
That should get it done.
With Arod and Jeter “potentially” in their decline phases and Posada not having long left, the Yankees will need Montero’s bat regardless of whether its DHing or not.
If he’s as good as many think he’ll be, he’s a guy you wouldn’t mind taking those at bats. Who cares if he’s 21? I never understood the arguments that make “young DH’s” some sacreligious thing. If he’s hitting .300/.400/.500 consistently, then he’s a huge asset and you make room for him.
Greinke would be awesome for this rotation.
ALDS
Game 1 – CC Sabathia
Game 2 – Zack Greinke
Game 3 – Andy Pettitte
Game 4 – CC Sabathia
Game 5 – Zack Greinke
ALCS + World Series
Game 1 – CC Sabathia
Game 2 – Zack Greinke
Game 3 – Andy Pettitte
Game 4 – AJ Burnett
Game 5 – CC Sabathia
Game 6 – Zack Greinke
Game 7 – Andy Pettitte
would cubs trade marmol
“Sure he can be a DH, but seriously, we have lots of projected DH types for the next 5+ years, and in my mind, DH’s are a dime a dozen.”
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This seems to be the prevailing wisdom and really was the case in the past probably because of the steroid era, but are DHs really a dime a dozen now?
Look at the DHs in the AL this year.
It is extremely underwhelming.
I don’t understand why Park is still on this team. Really I don’t. Its a tossup who has been worse lately him or Joba.
Bret-
Greinke is Elk steak.
We’re gettin the leftovers. Sorry.
I’m not trading Montero for a closer that wouldn’t close for the Yankees.
But he would make the pen really good. Everyone slots down besides Mo of course. Joba would have no pressure and DROb could do his thing as well.
# blake July 25th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
I’m not trading Montero for a closer that wouldn’t close for the Yankees.
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Agreed
It would be tough to give up Montero unless it was Zack Greinke coming back.
Looks like the Halos are feeling kinda desperate.
Now they’re looking for a “power bat” according to rumors r us.
Adam Dunn?? How would u all feel if Dunn was a Yankee?
He would make the pen really good but would he be happy as a set up guy. His next contract depends on him being a dominant closer and he wouldn’t be able to show that setting up for Rivera. Plus I think you keep Montero’s bat and find a place for it unless you can move him for a quality starter or impact position player. Just don’t like giving up a potential bat like that for a reliever.
Cashman is definitely willing to part with Montero and Joba.
We know that from the information leaked during the negotiations with the Mariners and D-Backs.
That’s a good start to a package for an ace like Greinke.
It’s definitely possible because we have the prospects/players to round out that package and overwhelm the Royals.
It would be awesome to turn around and flip Javy Vazquez for something good.
Hughes did not pitch well in the post-season last year, and as some folks will remind us, Chamberlain wasn’t exactly lights out.
Yet the Yankees went 11-4 to win the World Series.
The POINT is, that 8th inning some folks thing is all important, sometimes isn’t, even at the most critical time of the year.
“How would u all feel if Dunn was a Yankee?”
Like we would need more lockeroom space.
I wouldn’t mind Dunn. But bullpen and bench is more important.
I think the only reason the EIG wasn’t all that significant for the Yankees in the 2009 PS run, was because Mo was his own EIG.
Remember when Pete Abe said that Seattle and Oakland were weak teams (while trying to comfort the Sox fans)?
Sox went 3-4 against them and are fortunate they won the Lackey game after blowing the 5 run lead.
We went 6-1 against them.
Stuckey-
Forget about this year. We already know you think we’ve got the series wrapped up.
What can you tell us about NEXT year ?
hardwired7 July 25th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
P. Abe had one of his comments removed from his Okajima rant/post.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b…..lps_g.html
I wonder what the hell he said??? I don’t understand why he mixes it up like that. I mean, just stay above the fray, dude
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I cannot understand WHY PeteAbe becomes so angry and sarcastic (see a post of his that the moderator did NOT remove, below)
“Finally, I was “picking” on Okajima? I pointed out his statistics and how they haven’t changed after praising how good he was in 2007. That’s picking on him? Really?
I look forward to your response. I’m sure once your mom and dad let’s you get back on the computer, you’ll have a great one. ”
That goodness he left LoHud, is all I can say, if this is how he treats his ‘public’!
Also the starting pitching was so good that postseason. Offense also scored runs. So Mo was going two innings at times and it didn’t matter.
Wow Pete wow.
Joba should be a bullpen ace in NL.
“Forget about this year. We already know you think we’ve got the series wrapped up.”
Nah, they got a trip to the postseason wrapped. I don’t know if they make it outta the first round.
Good night Yankee people!
The problem with dealing with the Royals as opposed to a team like the Dbacks is that they don’t have to trade either Soria or Greinke. They are only going to do it if it greatly benefits them and therefore you will be making a trade on their terms and likely will overpay. They could get some payroll relief by dealing Greinke but I don’t know how important that is to them.
Just have to hope that MO’s health holds up to the point where he can be used for 1+ innings in every close game with a lead.
Blake-
Do you think Phil is beginning to take my tribute for granted ?
He didn’t say a word when I posted it earlier.
Didn’t I read here that Soria would have the right to opt out as he’d have been traded in the middle of his contract?
I really don’t think there’s anything to the Soria talk and definitely not to the Greinke. I want nothing to do with him anyway in NY – not with his anxiety disorder and especially since he’s said he has no desire to pitch in NY. I’m not eager to trade for mediocre SP, so we really have to just hope that we can get decent innings out of our SP not named CC or Andy. Then, in the playoffs, cross your fingers – I don’t love our rotation at all, but I don’t see what can be done at this point. The biggest problem is the pen – it’s pretty awful. I have no idea why Joe refuses to try out Robertson in the 8th at this point. In any case, this pen will blow leads in the post-season unless we can improve it . Dump Park for one. Give Alby a chance. Put Robertson in the 8th and give Joba the 6th.
MTU,
nah I think he’s appreciative. He slowed down a bit so you wouldn’t have to work so hard though….he was on a pace there for awhile to hike you to death.
Blake,
Not only would I overpay for Greinke, I’d agree to take Guillen off their hands.
We overpaid for CC and Tex.
Certain players are worth it.
Stuckey-
Why ? You think the White Suxers are gonna be that tough.
Girardi’s post game quotes sounded like he’s getting pretty close to making that move with Robertson.
Blake-
This is true. The pace he was on sure had me on my toes, in a manner of speaking.
Betsy the Yankees have a good rotation. Maybe some guys aren’t pitching as well but alot of teams would love to have those problems.
Blake-
I hate to say it but Joba is sliding down a slippery slope (there’s that hiking analogy again).
MTU,
Anyone can win a 5 game series.
Brett,
I agree with that to some extent. CC and Tex were just money though so its a little different. Its all just speculation at this point but I would be pretty aggressive if he’s available and the Royals are willing to be realistic.
Greinke got help for his anxiety disorder. I don’t think that is a problem anymore. He is better then everyone in our rotation except CC.
Looking ahead, Tuesday looks like fun:
the Rays are facing Verlander
while the Red Sox are facing Jared Weaver
meanwhile, the Yanks will be in Cleveland facing T.B.A.
Sweet, it’s ok……..it’s top heavy, and that’s only if Andy comes back strong.
Not that this will be a panacea because he’s struggling in other ways besides HRs, but I think getting on the road will be good for Phil. I’m not sure where his next start is- I guess wherever the Yanks go after Cleveland.
Greinke has already said that he thinks he’d have issues in NY – and even if he’s gotten help for it, I’m not convinced he’d shine. Either way, it’s moot – I don’t think the Royals are trading him and I don’t think the Yankees are pursuing him. I have to say that just the fact that they went after Lee and Haren tells me that Cashman has little confidence in the rotation.
I think the price for Greinke would be higher than what appears to be the assumption.
I think you’re looking at a Hughes/Montero/Nova/+ type deal.
Stuckey-
Yup. The PS is a crapshoot. Can’t predict who will be hot and who not.
Short series can certainly hide a multitude of sins.
I think its plenty good enough to repeat. We have two pitchers who have done bad. Javy has improved and AJ even has. I am confident in it.
“I’m not sure where his next start is- I guess wherever the Yanks go after Cleveland.”
@Tampa on Friday
then home Toronto, @ Texas.
Misses the Red Sox/Tigers series if they keep him on a 5 day schedule (and no rainouts).
I’m glad A-rod is okay. I didn’t expect him to his 600 against the Royals. There was too much media pressure on him to get the job done. He will get it soon though. It took him awhile to hit #500.
I’m not trying to get on your case Betsy, but you act as if the rotation is bad. Maybe I am misreading what you are saying. This rotation wasn’t this good last year and they won it all. That is not the problem on this team..
Night everyone.
Maybe Cash will pull a rabbit out of the hat and surprise us all.
“I think the price for Greinke would be higher than what appears to be the assumption.
I think you’re looking at a Hughes/Montero/Nova/+ type deal.”
You’re probably right. They could always demand both Hughes and Montero and if the Yankees refuse then they just walk away because they really don’t have to trade him right now. I’m not trading Hughes but if Joba/Montero/Nova etc….draws their interest then we could talk. I think the anxiety stuff is overblown. You don’t win a Cy Young and not have your nerves under control IMO. He’s older and more experienced than he was when he was having those issues.
ET, thanks!
I can’t recall the last time he’s faced Tampa, but he’s always pitched well in Texas…………
The Yankees swept texas early in the year. It means nothing now but its interesting to see what will happen when they face them next.
And then the Sox should be facing Haren this week as well.
They’re wild-card hopefuls at this point anyway.
# Sweet Swinging Cano July 25th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
Greinke got help for his anxiety disorder. I don’t think that is a problem anymore. He is better then everyone in our rotation except CC.
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That type of disorder doesn’t go away over a year or two. That’s something he’ll be battling his whole life. I like Greinke, but I’m not sure how well he’d fit in the NY environment.
I’m a simple math guy.
Yanks have given up the 2nd least amount of runs in the AL, despite having some unsightly bullpen ERA’s.
What you take away from that, and the conclusion is indisputable and not subject to personal opinion, is that the Yankees HAVE one of the Top 2 rotations in the AL.
Again, there is no arguing with the math.
Thank you stuckey.
Sweet, I don’t think it’s bad, but I’m not going to pretend I think it’s great either. In terms of the regular season, it’s fine – but not as good as Texas’ or Tampa’s. With a healthy Beckett, it’s probably not as good as Boston’s. However, it should be fine to get us to the post-season. After that, they would still rank below Texas and the Rays.
We won’t get Greinke anyway just something to talk about.
“meanwhile, the Yanks will be in Cleveland facing T.B.A.”
T.B.A. has not always been a pushover for the Yanks, fyi…
I don’t think they are worried about Vazquez mentally in the postseason as they are if his diminished stuff can get out good lineups in HR/hitters parks.
Can’t say the prospect of him going out there in Arlington or Comisky, two HR parks, is very comforting.
For Burnett, the venue or opponent doesn’t matter. He can throw a 1 hitter or give up 7 runs.
Blake, I think given the circumstances, there is some homerism going on seeing Chamberlain slotted into one of the first couple of /’s.
I haven’t written him off at all, but as a lead piece in exchange for last year’s Cy Young winner.
No.
So if no one cares that arod is going after home run #600, why does every news article post titles saying that he didn’t hit it? Sounds like they care to me.
Tampa Bays rotation besides Price has taken a dip. Texas even with Lee have some stinkers in that rotation. Yankees can match up. I don’t see them as being worse then those clubs. Yankees have 3 starters who have done well. Hughes has still had a good year despite his recent struggles. Andy and CC have been fantastic. Javy has pitched alot better since his early start. AJ had one terrible month. He is always going to be inconsistant but again we won the world series last year with him. He pitched the most important game and won it. I tend to have confidence in guys like that even if he is frustrating.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.2139369
So Dan Haren will not be a Yankee, having gone to the Angels in what amounted to a glorified money dump for the Diamondbacks, which means that Yankees fans are left with this:
They’ve become pawns to help American League West teams improve themselves.
First the Mariners used the Yankees’ sincere interest in Cliff Lee to get the player they truly wanted, Justin Smoak from Texas. Then Arizona announced the Yankees as a suitor for Haren – when in fact the Yankees served more as browsing shoppers – before sending him to the Angels.
The first instance greatly annoyed the Yankees, to the point that they’ll think twice before conducting future business with Seattle. This time, though? The only consequence was a swarm of media interest, but that represents a normal day at the office.
The Haren trade does, however, reinforce the notion that these are not your parents’ Yankees. Yes, they still hunt big game, to steal a cliche from general manager Brian Cashman. Yet they don’t undergo extensive plastic surgery to address a zit………..
Therefore, you can perhaps understand why the Yankees picked up the phone when Arizona called them a few days ago to discuss Haren. And you also can understand why the Yankees said no thanks to a package of Chamberlain, Ivan Nova, Zach McAllister and another minor-leaguer in addition to taking on the roughly $33 million Haren is owed through 2012.
The Yankees threw some other names at the Diamondbacks in a conversational tone rather than in a formal counterproposal. Suffice it to say, as long as Arizona wanted to dump the money, those names ranked lower on the talent/upside scale than Chamberlain and Nova. The Diamondbacks didn’t express interest, and the Yankees and Arizona last spoke Friday.
What now? The Yankees won’t even bother engaging on Roy Oswalt, whom Houston might very well retain. So they’ll focus on their real needs: bench and bullpen. Former Mets pitcher and Cubs general manager Ed Lynch, now a scout for Toronto, spent the entire weekend watching Royals-Yankees at the Stadium, and Toronto runs the relief market with Scott Downs, Jason Frasor and Kevin Gregg. Prices have been high. Maybe they’ll drop.
“I haven’t written him off at all, but as a lead piece in exchange for last year’s Cy Young winner.”
The lead piece would be Montero and yes their probably is homerism with Joba….only way it would even be a remote possibility is if the Royals viewed him as someone they may be able to make a starter again (may not be the case). I was just saying that if they would consider that then we could talk. They would probably demand both Hughes and Montero and that would be that.
Betsy,
Are you saying that the Rangers, Rays, and Red Sox would have better playoff rotations?
Have you looked at the 1-4 in those rotations recently?
Greinke has emotional issues. I don’t think he can handle NYC
James shields and Matt Garza have taken steps back.
I’m pretty sure we just picked up 3 games on the Sox and lost no ground to the Rays over the weekend. With rusty pitching by the starters.
And we got some quality innings from the entire bullpen.
Life is good.
Amen M
“Life is good.”
co-signed. Gnight all.
LGY,
I have.
Matt Garza has been awful since May.
Like 6.50 (or so awful).
Texas is Lee, then Lewis and Wilson, the latter two completely unproven guys in the postseason.
Wilson is particularly interesting, given he’s on pace for 210 innings having never thrown more than 74 innings professionally in the previous 5 season.
He is going to be a live test of Nolan Ryan’s philosophy.
I don’t know how many innings Lewis threw in 2008-2009, because it was in Japan.
As to Boston, they aren’t catching the Yanks and probably won’t catch Tampa, so I won’t even bother exposing their warts.
LGY, Lee and Wilson are having terrific years and Hunter’s #s are fantastic. I admit that I’m not sure who their 4th and 5th starters are…..if you want to say the Texas and the Yanks are equal, I guess you could do that. I did just check the #s on the Rays SP and, except for Price and Niemann, the others are struggling. However, Garza is still a very good pitcher. Sox: Lester is great, obviously. Buchholz is very very good. Beckett? I guess it remains to be seen, but if he’s healthy he can be dominant. Still, I suppose it’s only fair to wait and see with him. Lacky is having a bad year.
Yankees: CC – great. Andy, if he comes back healthy, very good. After that? Javy will probably be ok for the regular season; I just don’t feel he’ll be very good in the playoffs. AJ? Nuff said – he’s unreliable. Phil? I’m not going there again.
I suppose overall the rotations are evenly matched………
I don’t think Grienke would do well in New York, Boston or any other market w/ that pressure
Scott Downs is the real prize but he’s a lefty. They´re may be a need there though as Marte´s shoulder has been an issue.
Sox sure could use Downs too as Okijama´s like their Joba right now.
I don’t get all the headlines that read “A-rod held homerless”.
It is only 3 games, a player that hits a homerun every 3rd game would have 54 homeruns by the end of the season.
Yet with all the media’s screaming headlines, they still claim that no one is interested.
I am taking the Yankees front 4 over any team in the AL and we wouldn’t count out Hughes as part of that equation just yet.
I certainly wouldn’t bet against CC-Pettitte 4-5 times in a 7 game series.
At first I was getting irritated because everytime I had espn radio on in the car, they would say that Alex did not hit #600. I was thinking that I don’t think I heard that much about the failure to hit a milestone.
BUT, then I realized that it’s because it’s #600 (as opposed to when he was trying for #500) and that changed my perspective.
Furthermore, today they were going to cut to an excerpt of jon miller’s HOF acceptance speech (of which I heard a little bit. he’s a great speaker and story teller), but I think the producer told the host that they were going to a-rod’s at bat instead.
Of course I walked into the house just in time to see Alex get plunked.
But anyway, they’re treating it like a big deal on the radio like how they did manny & griffey.
So, it’s all good. Again.
they are reporting it b/c it’s a negative AROD story
they love that stuff
People need to can it with the “I don’t think Greinke could handle NY” crap.
The guy had social anxiety disorder and it has been treated. It’s not like the guy is a schizophrenic with homicidal tendences.
All the hoopla surrounding his issues from years past is completely overblown.
GF,
You know a guy sitting next to me on a plane recently was reading ¨Psychology Today¨ so I think I can give an expert opinion on Grienke.
It’s just too easy to say this stuff sometimes. No one looks at the flip side of the coin.
How about his toughness in battling the problem and elevating himself to a top-flight MLB pitcher. I’d say that took some serious chutzpah on his part.
Joba better be carefull with his comments.We have been winning lately so not much to boo about but his comments “won’t be the last time”.
He should of said i don’t blame the fans.
They will boo him out of town if they lock onto him.
To think that the team has done as well as it has considering:
Jeter has been inconsistent at the plate – yet he has 11 SB.
Tex has had a terrible 2 month stretch – yet he’s at 20/70/.264
A-Rod has not hit his power stroke – yet he’s at 16/81/.280
Granderson has had a horrible first half, with 9/26/.244 and only 8 SB.
Posada missed a month, but has 12 HR.
Nick ‘Glass’ Johnson only made it to 24 games before being possibly out for the season – we shoulda known! The only way Glass can’t break is if it’s not used at all. I think he could get injured as a 1st base coach!
Speaking of glass, AJ is attracted to it, and has been maddeningly inconsistent.
Hughes started off great, but now looks like he has arm fatigue.
Javy thought he was in the NL, but now seems to be coming around.
CC had a rough patch, but is the second-half killer we know and love.
And Andy was dandy – dandier even; is out for a couple more starts, but will be ok for the playoffs.
Joba has no focus and must be hanging with AJ.
Park should be left in one.
Aceves has a bad back (all the heavy lifting he’s done for this team the past couple years, as a starter AND long-man).
Marte hangs with Nick Johnson, so he too is injured – AGAIN.
Boone Logan is well, surprising me at least. Would have preferred Coke, but whatever.
D-Rob seems to be regaining his stuff.
Yet with all this, we’re in 1st place in the AL East. Good job fellas. Night all.
This is about as close a look at Greinke’s mind as you’re going to get. I’ve posted this many times before, but it’s still a good read.
It was social situations that gave him problems. They figured it out and he’s in a much better place now. Parties may be a problem, but pitching shouldn’t be.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...../index.htm
Arizona getting killed for the trade.
Joba will never can it with the comments. He’ll be pitching for the Long Island Ducks soon and still be making the same comments. Only difference is he’ll be making those comments to thin air.
If the Yankees treated him like a valuable piece they shouldn’t deal in any trade negotiations, then they clearly must believe that this child is going to grow up and take his job seriously someday soon.
It worked with Cano, so I guess they are applying the same “patience” with Joba.
Heyman: Yanks made ‘big proposal’ on Soria
By Benjamin Kabak .In a piece that incorrectly labels the July trade market as one for the buyers, Jon Heyman leads with some Yankee dirt. He says the team is looking to be in on some big names this week and writes that the team has made “a big proposal” to the Royals for Joakim Soria. The Yanks want to upgrade their bullpen this week, but Soria won’t come cheap. He’s emerged as one of the game’s best relievers, non-Mariano division, and is under contract through 2011 with three club options with innings pitched escalators that total $22.75 million. Heyman also notes that the Bombers “have been in touch” with Washington over Adam Dunn but have so far found the price to be “prohibitive
M,
In that case, Greinke definitely can’t handle being on the Yanks, he’ll be too uncomfortable during the world series celebration and parade
I’d be suprised if joba is still with us in a few days.
Other than Soria, I’d try for Sean Marshall or Carlos Marmol of the Cubbies for setup, or for middle relief, bring back Phil Coke from Detroit once they slip out of the running, or Craig Breslow from the A’s.
# Giuseppe Franco July 25th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
People need to can it with the “I don’t think Greinke could handle NY” crap.
The guy had social anxiety disorder and it has been treated. It’s not like the guy is a schizophrenic with homicidal tendences.
All the hoopla surrounding his issues from years past is completely overblown.
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That’s fairly naive.
“It’s been treated! It’s over” Like it’s a cold. You idiot.
i’m shocked Arizona could think that’s the best they could get for Dan Haren
pretty surprising
joba’s ERA scary high by now, but he’s not going anywhere, seems like girardi will even keep running him out there in the 8th until (or if?) he figures it out
the haren deal is an amazingly bad deal for Arizona. They give up an excellent pitcher who’s signed to a very affordable contract for the next 2+ years and they get back 3 mediocre prospects and a below average pitcher in Joe Saunders.
i would trade Montero for Sandy Koufax
Last post
Lol nope
Not even.
Last post belongs to me. Woot!
“Really don’t ask much from you guys. But making crude references is really not cool. If you’re not capable of expressing yourself without being vulgar, please refrain. Thanks.”
Guess who that is? Things don’t change much. They wear the jerseys of players from another team, but the same stuff comes spewing out.
Curtis Granderson to Pittsburgh for McCutchen. Good package of minors and Joba for Soria.
Ok, m, I saw “Get Him To The Greek”. I enjoyed it quite a bit, but I’m not sure why the pink shirt scene was supposed to be special compared to any other part of it.
Wow, it’s late.
And Patrick, how ’bout them Gigantes!
Yikes, the last time I started crowing about out bet then went into the tank.
Um, good night.
Not special. But up to that point the only funny part. It got going after that.
It is late, but it’s always late when the kids haven’t come home yet.
Okay, they’re home. I can relax now.
Help from a Gleek please. Just saw a clip of “Over the Rainbow”. Who is the lady that was adopting the baby, and whose baby was it? Thanks.
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Idina Menzel was the actress playing the role of a vocal coach from a competing “glee” club from another school – she adopted the baby. The baby belong to Quinn, the blond cheerleader.
(I am a Gleek,I guess.
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I read the link on Greinke. It’s a good read, good story. I also went to a Mayo clinic post on SAD (social anxiety disorder). It’s simplistic to say he’d be more apt to have troubles at a party than pitching. True, he may be fine on the mound itself, but it’s any social situation where there is discomfort that can bring on the anxiety. I don’t think being subjected to the scrutiny of NY media would be helpful to him at all.
It is treated, but it never “goes away” completely. A person is always at risk for a relapse. He would be putting himself into a situation (or he would be put if he’s traded to NY without his approval) of being in exactly the types of situations that could trigger the anxiety.
I hope that if the Yankees are seriously considering trading for Greinke, a truly gifted pitcher, that they are doing some research.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/heal.....er/DS00595
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Oh, and the Idina Menzel character is also the mother of the girl with the long dark hair who sings all the songs (my mind goes blank sometimes, the actress’ name is Lea Michelle, but I can’t think of her character name right now) – she had given her up for adoption.
Send Joba down to SWB to iron out his stuff…and head. A couple weeks on the bus will do wonders. Bring Alba back. He’s paid some dues down there and looked pretty good in the short time he was on the club.
Some folks are badmouthing Saunders, but he has been in the majors for a few years, was in the Angels’ rotation…and is only 29. I don’t think the Yanks were willing to part with anybody of comparable quality.