A-Rod injury update/Yankees vs. Royals, series finale
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jul 25, 2010 
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Update, 1:16: A good start for Phil Hughes, three in a row put down after the leadoff single. He hadn’t been sharp the last two times on extended rest, including his last outing, which followed his brief appearance in the All-Star Game. Last time out, five days ago, he gave up six earned runs and nine hits in five innings in losing to the Angels.
Update, 1:31: OK, it’s A-Rod time. He leads off the second.
Update, 1:34: There went a big groan from the crowd, first-pitch grounder to short.
Update, 1:46: That could have been bad news with Chris Getz’s liner hitting Hughes in the back here in the third, but he seems OK.
Update, 1:49: There was a little confusion there for a moment, but Scott Podsednik’s ball hit the foul pole in left for a two-run homer.
Update, 1:56: Finally, a Yankees hit. The solo shot was just homer No. 8 for the disappointing Curtis Granderson.
Update, 2:01: Maybe the Yankees are finally solving the mystery of Sean O’Sullivan. Two more hits, and it’s 2-2 in the third.
Update, 2:06: Mark Teixeira infield RBI single, 3-2. Time for Rodriguez again.
Update, 2:08: The fans will have to settle for now for an RBI double.
Update, 2:22: Is this going to be another mediocre start for Hughes? The Ankiel solo homer and Alex Gordon single leave his line at three runs and six hits through four.
Update, 2:29: This is the Granderson the Yankees thought they were acquiring. That last solo shot landed in the second deck in right. So this is his fifth career multihomer game and first since last July 29 with Detroit. Maybe he will close the season strong.
Update, 2:45: Another bouncer to short for A-Rod in the fifth. So I believe that’s 12 at-bats and 13 plate appearances since 599. The sky, by the way, is getting very dark behind the stands on the left side of the park.
Update, 2:59: There’s lightning now and it’s raining. And we’re officially in a delay.
Update, 3:00: Good thing it’s Umbrella Day.
Update, 3:36: The rain had slacked off some, but it’s raining hard again now.
Update, 4:15: It’s still raining pretty hard. Weather.com has a 55 percent chance of rain at 5, 35 percent at 6 and 10 percent at 7.
Update, 5:05: The grounds crew is starting the process of getting the tarp off the field. The first pitch for the restart will be around 5:30, according to the Yankees. Hughes’ innings count will end up at 5 1/3 for today and 111 1/3 for the season. In 2006, he established his career high, 146, in the minors.
Update, 5:23: Boone Logan is warming up to take over the pitching. Dusty Hughes is warming up for the Royals.
Update, 5:31: The delay was two hours, 32 minutes.
Update, 5:32: David Robertson is warming up.
Update, 5:46: Brett Gardner’s RBI double in the sixth made it 6-3, and Logan is coming out to start the seventh.
Update, 5:52: Good job by Logan. That’s five straight batters retired. So we head to the last of the seventh.
Update, 6:00: A lot of fans didn’t wait out the rain delay. But A-Rod is about to get another chance.
Update, 6:03: That went as an RBI single for A-Rod, although second baseman Mike Aviles, the former Concordia star, botched the backhand attempt on the hot shot. Rodriguez may have to take his next swing at 600 tomorrow night in Cleveland.
Update, 6:12: Joba’s becoming a real problem. Podsednik just got him for that two-run homer after a leadoff walk in the eighth. The fans are booing Chamberlain, but he should be better than this. Robertson is warming again. It’s 7-5.
Update, 6:27: One more chance for A-Rod with the bases loaded here in the eighth.
Update, 6:31: That looked painful. A-Rod got drilled by Blake Wood in the left wrist to force in the run, but he’s leaving the game. And so is Wood.
Update, 6:51: Yankees win, 12-6. Now they have to hope Rodriguez is OK.
Update, 7:39: A-Rod says he’s OK and that he will play tomorrow. Joe Girardi said there was no plan to send him for X-rays, that the ball was a glancing blow to the back of the left hand, and that they got lucky. He just has a bruise.
I think my reverse psychology worked. No?
You’re welcome.
Solzhenitsyn: “If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being.”
Six consecutive scoreless innings against our Yankees by Mr. Sean O’Sullivan so far this season.
Would the Kansas City Royals trade Mr. Sean O’Sullivan for Phil Hughes?
“I think my reverse psychology worked?”
“No.”
Fixed that for ya.
You’re welcome.
Man, that was one weak swing.
The Yanks are singlehandedly making this guy look like
Felix Hernandez and Cliff Lee combined.
W.T.H.
What about working the count a little bit?
So the yankees can’t hit this guys change up
And Tampa 3-1 lead in the 2nd inning, 3 R HR off of former Red Sox sitff Justin Masterson, the stud the Indians got for Victor Martinez
itll suck if a-rod gets it on the road in an empty progressive field or tropicana.
if the game is out of hand late, a royal pitcher should just be nice and give him a meatball, little league style.
All this guy is throwing if off speed slop and the Yankees are sh!tting themselves to hit it.
That is seven (7) consecutive scoreless, no-hit innings against our Yankees by Mr. Sean O’Sullivan so far this season.
Perfect game on its way?
“Disco July 25th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
itll suck if a-rod gets it on the road in an empty progressive field or tropicana.”
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Tell me about it. Grrrr
Phil’s going to have to hang on. They’ve all got changeup in the back of their mind.
Problem is, O’Sullivan’s only thrown 21 pitches so far.
You know what is funny about watching the Yankees against this guy.
They could probably face Strasburg and put up hits and runs off of him.
This guy parlayed his performance against the Yankees into a trade
Well, it’s time for the Yanks to take a couple of pitches and then start hitting this meatball artist.
hughes has no k pitch.
Did someone get thrown out at home in Cleveland? They had 2nd & 3rd. Guy on 1st now, but only got one run.
I’d like hughes to pitch a gem.
It’s been a while.
May be the Tampa Bay Rays will trade for Mr. Sean O’Sullivan to have him start against us next week … and in the playoffs?
come on ump
Oops. Forgot to mention. 3-2. Tampa.
OMG
Boy every and any Royal is running in this series when they get on base, they don’t even think twice about it.
those umpires are f….. horrible.
And then a bomb
Another loss to the lousy Royals
Of course the NEXT PITCH he hits a 2-run HR.
Thanks for the extra run you useless piece of garbage.
OK, Phil has phinally convinced me that he’s not ready for prime time.
I wonder if Big AL is going to show up today and say Posada throws like a little girl.
Why don’t the umpires call the exact opposite of what they think the correct call is?
I’m convinced we’d see less mistakes that way.
they have to win this game, it’s unacceptable to split with KC
Phil’s a young pitcher, in his first full season as a starter. He’s not even 24 years old. Let’s see how he reacts to this turn of events.
Mitre >> Hughes
Moseley >> Hughes
Gaudin >> Hughes
Bad call or no, Hughes is really scuffling right now. Giving up long at bats, hits and runs to hitters who simply aren’t very good. This is the Royals B team lineup today.
Wow Scott Podsednik hitting balls out the park. S.M.H.
Phil has run into a wall bigtime…. Should be expected in his first season as a starter, but it still sucks
Meant 25.
“Mitre >> Hughes
Moseley >> Hughes
Gaudin >> Hughes”
What on earth makes you think that?
Mitre >> Hughes
Moseley >> Hughes
Gaudin >> Hughes
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Thank you for convincing me not to waste my team here today. This is the Lohud “B team lineup today.”
I know he doesn’t look great…but he is getting squeezed…very small zone today…
Should only be 1 run. It just seems like the umpires are getting worse and nothing is ever addressed.
Breaking balls break more. So if you’re long, really really hard, results will not be optimal. Solution – shorten your swing. I think I heard that way back.
The Yankees need to start putting up runs against O’Sullivan this is getting beyond ridiculous now.
They are seeing this guy once again and we aren’t talking about Halladay, Hernandez or Lee here.
LGY: Big Al issued an apology and retraction in an earlier thread.
Hughes has been having trouble with his secondary pitches, and been going to No. 1, his fastball. He’s having trouble keeping hitters off balance. It’s a learning experience for the kid.
Looks like Phil is getting squeezed. That homerun was just a bad pitch. If he was facing the Yankees with the stuff he has now. he would be pitching a perfect game.
the way Hughes has been pitching the last month+, no worries about his innings limits. He won’t make it past 5 innings in any start.
Giving up a HR to Podsednik? simply pathetic
another nice call at 2nd. eh whats a gift run. human error blah blah. I go to the games to watch fat middle aged guys get the calls wrong. Bud selig do not add instant replay having thesze blind morons affect the games is so much more enjoyable…
what a joke. like soccer no need for instant replay…………
getz was out morons………….
How can a scrub shut them down? Its disturbing.
One mistake was skipping Hughes during a road trip, so that he ended up with a bunch of consecutive home starts. Look at his splits…he has a 2.25 ERA on the road with 0 HR allowed, and a near 6.00 ERA at home with 14 HR allowed. He’s not a good pitcher at YS, at least not yet. He gives up too many flyballs.
Come on Yanks just get on base.
I’m not a bridge jumper, but a split with KC would be unacceptable for this team given that they don’t have to face Grienke
Grandy!!!!
Granderson is showing signs of life…this is very good.
SHOULD BE TIED RIGHT NOW
Wow. Granderson? Where did that come from?
More importantly than Hughes is why the HECK the Yankees can’t hit Sean O’Sullivan
This guy is a nobody. Not some highly rated prospect or something.
Another hr to a Lh batter.
should be a tie game but again what the heck human error, screw technology…………….
Nick,
Thanks. I see that now.
I retract my comment and eyeroll as well
WhooHoo. Tie game!
A learning experience for Hughes?
If he hasn’t learned by now that you need to throw more than your fastball/cutter to get major league hitters out, then he needs a real kick in the butt right now.
Throwing the curveball/change once every 3 or 4 batters isn’t going to keep anyone off balance, and if you never throw it, how do you ever expect to get a feel for it? The cutter is a crutch for him and an excuse to not throw the changeup. They should make him abandon it until he shows he can command the other pitches.
Hughes seems to have lost any ability to put hitters away with 2 strikes.
His FB rate doesn’t help pitching in NYS either.
There we go Curtis. Prove the haters wrong by contract’s end. Just 2 1/2 more years baby.
“That is seven (7) consecutive scoreless, no-hit innings against our Yankees by Mr. Sean O’Sullivan so far … ”
Streak finally broken !
“# Eric UWS July 25th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
I’m not a bridge jumper, but a split with KC would be unacceptable for this team given that they don’t have to face Grienke”
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I told people don’t take K.C. lightly
The Royals defeated Tampa 2 of 4 in Tampa and Boston 2 of 4 in Boston
Grandy’s slowly but surely starting to look alot better up there. If he gets hot, this team is going to reach an entirely different level.
# Macfan July 25th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
More importantly than Hughes is why the HECK the Yankees can’t hit Sean O’Sullivan
This guy is a nobody. Not some highly rated prospect or something.
inconsistent offense, but the game is still young
Kay has to be just about the strangest person on earth. He truly is an odd duck.
whats the pitch/play everyone is complaining about before the Pod HR? IM not watching…
Nice swing by Pena.
Joe! SEND HIM!!!!!!!! Its Jason Kendall behind the plate…
@ Macfan- Doesn’t make it any less unacceptable to not take this series. I don’t take them lightly given that they can hit, but the 4 starters they are throwing out there this series isnt exactly Maddox, Glavine, Smoltz and Avery (although we beat those guys in their hayday! ahah)
Hughes only has one problem and that’s giving up homeruns at YS. That’s it. He’s not walking people, he’s not giving up hits in bunches, his strikeout rates are fine, and he’s been lights out on the road. He needs to find a pitch that will yield fewer flyballs, because his style of pitching doesn’t work at YS. In a different home ballpark his numbers would look a lot different.
Hughes has thrown more groundballs as of late.
Hughes looks like he is out of gas. Until he comes up a good second pitch he is going to continue to struggle. Batters sit fastball and foul off fastball after fastball until they get one that they can hit.
safe
nice jeter
Nice…Tied on a Jete’s triple!
# Macfan July 25th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
“# Eric UWS July 25th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
I’m not a bridge jumper, but a split with KC would be unacceptable for this team given that they don’t have to face Grienke”
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I told people don’t take K.C. lightly
The Royals defeated Tampa 2 of 4 in Tampa and Boston 2 of 4 in Boston
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after all KC is a team 13 games under .500.
we just ti the game!
‘tie’
Vintage Jeter hit
RS July 25th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Hughes only has one problem and that’s giving up homeruns at YS. That’s it. He’s not walking people, he’s not giving up hits in bunches, his strikeout rates are fine, and he’s been lights out on the road. He needs to find a pitch that will yield fewer flyballs, because his style of pitching doesn’t work at YS. In a different home ballpark his numbers would look a lot different.
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Yea and some of the homeruns were just over the wall or hit a foulpole.
Thank goodness, now take the lead here
Cmon Swish
Come on Yankee offense, make this guy look like what he really is.
O’Sullivan’s head is spinning. “I thought I was kryptonite to these guys”
Good play all around.
“If he hasn’t learned by now that you need to throw more than your fastball/cutter to get major league hitters out, then he needs a real kick in the butt right now.
Throwing the curveball/change once every 3 or 4 batters isn’t going to keep anyone off balance, and if you never throw it, how do you ever expect to get a feel for it? The cutter is a crutch for him and an excuse to not throw the changeup. They should make him abandon it until he shows he can command the other pitches.”
Hughes’s dominance early in the season was due to excellent fastball command and the ability to mix in his breaking pitches and changeup. He’s been spotty on the first, and clearly had difficulty getting tilt and sharpness on the latter.
Yes, Matt, it’s a learning experience. Just like King Felix had before he achieved routine dominance. Like Felix, Hughes hit the majors at an extremely young age.
He is relying a bit too much on the fastball away, and having trouble getting swings and misses with pitches out of the zone. Given that he was having little trouble with that early in the year, I’m inclined to believe that he’s merely hit a rough patch that he needs to dig himself out of, rather than any other personal failing. You’re free to disagree with me.
Swish having those days off didn’t help.
poor situational hitting again
Phil Hughes’ ERA now stands at 4.050 — he has given up like forty-two (42) runs in last sixty (60) innings !
Man this dude is predictable
Strike 1 down the middle
offspeed slop the next pitch
Has anyone crunched the #’s on our ability to get the runner in from third and less than 2 outs? Maybe because Matsui was so good at it for all those years, but I feel like our productivity in that situation has not been as good as in years past. Maybe I’m wrong?
Great luck Tex
finally a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TEX! That was unreal.
I think Tex’s favorite food is meatballs. Did you guys see his eyes light up? I think he like
squibsquid, too.600 to make Sean sob.
Great job by the greenkeeper
Been reading some of the comments on the Dan Haren rumors – here’s my take:
1. Prospect huggers need to get real. Ivan Nova may be a nice pitcher but the odds of him developing into a Dan Haren are about as good as the odds of Brett Gardner developing into Miguel Cabrera. Cashman’s unwillingness to include Nova in a trade for Cliff Lee doesn’t mean that Nova is some super stud that’s untouchable; it just meant that the Yankees were willing to give up Montero or Nunez or Nova – but not a combination of all three in one deal for a guy who was going to be a free agent at the end of the year.
2. The issue right now is that the D’backs not only want Nova, Chamberlain and McAllister, but they also want the Yankees to take back all of Dan Haren’s salary and either Chris Snyder or Chad Qualls. The Yankees are willing to deal the players or absorb a lot of money, but they aren’t going to do both. If Arizona will eat some of Haren’s contract and forget about trying to include Snyder or Qualls the Yankees will gladly give them Chamberlain, Nova and McAllister, if Arizona would rather have the Yankees take on the cash, then Chamberlain is off the table and the D’Backs will have to take Nova and McAllister and leave it at that.
3. GreenBeret declared that Selig is going to have to let Mark Cuban buy the Rangers – he’s so far off I’m not sure he’s on the same planet as the rest of us. Selig will do what Selig has done since the day he took charge – he will steer ownership of teams to people he has worked with in the past and that he knows will follow his policies on salary structurs and draft slotting. The only owner to be approved under Selig who doesn’t fit that mold is Arte Moreno who was approved because Selig and MLB didn’t want to be accused of shutting out a person of color from ownership of a Major League club. Cuban has tried (and failed) to buy the Cubs and Nationals – Selig doesn’t want him; most of the other owners don’t want him…it won’t happen.
4. A trade for Dan Haren in no way hinders the Yankees from going after Cliff Lee next year. If Javy and Andy do not return adding Lee and Haren will not significantly boost the amount of money the Yankees are paying out to their pitchers. Of course there are some prospect huggers on this board who think the Yankees don’t need either of them because Dellin Betances, Andrew Brackman and Manny Banuelos make them weak in the knees.
Things definitely going Mark’s way now. When he was slumping, it would have been an out.
I’ll take that too
Now they are lighting up O’Sullivan. Another big inning. This is how this offense operates. You guys need to be more patient, and wait for the explosion before panicking.
outside of cano, i think everybody else stinks
Podsednik giveth, and Podsednik taketh away.
What we are seeing with Hughes folks is part and parcel of the development of a young pitcher
This is something he will have to learn from as he continues to develop
Its part of the curve of being a major league starter, most guys go through it.
I mentioned earlier to folks that Ubaldo Jiminez for example has allowed in his last 6 starts
6, 4, 7, 1, 4, 6
1 quality start in his last 6 and he was pitching like a beast most of the season.
pathetic at bat by cano
Finally the Junkballer has been solved.
ABOUT TIME
Chip,
Chiming in on #3. It’s no coincidence that the SEC investigation of Cuban came up when the Cubs were up for sale.
To think all that started with a granderson hr and a Pena hit. Very nice.
What a tease! I have it on gameday because I’m at my parents house, no YES, and I get “In play run(s)” with a runner on 1st with a changeup down the middle at 78 mph and its a double. I’ll take it.
It’s up to the young man Hughes to set them down now and make this hold up.
Hughes needs to keep the ball in the park and keep the lead.
Ugh Swish, see this is why I hate unscheduled days off when players are hitting well. We’ll have to see if this turns into a “thing” or not.
lets go Hughes..KEEP THIS LEAD!!!
Good test of Hughes mettle here. Team has picked him up and he’s been handed a lead against an inferior team. How’s he going to deal with it?
“# Yankeefran July 25th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Things definitely going Mark’s way now. When he was slumping, it would have been an out.”
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Very true, now things are going his way
That is for all those struggles in the 1st 2 months.
m July 25th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Chip,
Chiming in on #3. It?s no coincidence that the SEC investigation of Cuban came up when the Cubs were up for sale.
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I tend to agree.
Mark Cuban, Dan Snyder and Jim Dolan would all love to buy MLB teams and they would, if nothing else, be willing to spend to try and improve the clubs that they bought, but Selig will never let that happen and he has enough owners on his side to ensure it.
As an aside, Dolan’s desire to be a baseball owner is one of the reasons the YES network is around.
When Dolan bought MSG and MSG Network and was negotiating the new cable deal with the Yankees he wanted, George to kick in 51% of his stake in the Yankees – thus making Dolan the majority shareholder. George said “no” and Dolan said, “fine, you’re not getting on our network…go start your own”
and YES was born.
HR #15
Ouch. Meatball into the upper deck. Phil’s just having trouble command the zone right now.
That was just awful. Gotta hope for five today from Hughes and hope he doesn’t blow the lead before then.
Hughes= batting practice
what a joke
That stroke right there by Ankiel is why when he was a free agent I thought he would be worth picking up…It’s a sweet LH swing built for this stadium.
Wonder if the Yankees can get him for Albaladejo – let him play RF while Swisher’s achillies is sore and then let Rick DH.
You know what’s really unacceptable? For the 1927 Yankees to split or lose a series with the lowly Washington Senators.
Yet it happened.
In April the Yanks split a 2-game series with the Senators.
Then in early May they split a 4-game series.
Then, in late May, the Yankees lost a 5-game series 2-3. To the Senators!
It was so brutal on LoHud that month that GB7 put his laptop out with the empty milk bottles.
Hughes is throwing fastballs right over the heart of the plate to a team that chases a lot of pitches out of the zone.
This lineup will chase pitches. They don’t take their walks.
“pathetic at bat by cano”
Games 1-60, Cano had a .376 average with a .389 BAbip
Games 61-present, he’s had a .250 average and a .242 BAbip
Seems he’s gone from a little lucky to quite unlucky.
hughes will be a good starter, never a great one
“This lineup will chase pitches. They don’t take their walks.”
Yeah, except he’s been missing just off the plate and they haven’t been swinging. Watch the game. The Royals’ offense is in a grove right now.
Bad job by Hughes there
the team score 4 for you and you come right out and give back a run.
He is definitely in a struggle
Stupid Indians 2nd and 3rd and 1 out and can’t get the tying run in.
Rick Ankiel has decent power, but he doesn’t get on base enough to be an everyday player in a lineup with playoff aspirations. He’s also a terrible defender.
Phil’s gotta buckle down, toss an old fashioned 6 IP, 3 ER quality start, get win # 12, and get back to the drawing board.
I don’t think either team is done scoring for the day
Ankiel does though, have a SAM in the outfield.
Wow the Yes announcers are annoying. Why the hell would I want to watch 200 replays of Ankiels homer? You guys love it so much go visit Ankiel after the game. Christ. Get over it.
yea, but thats has nothing to do with cano rolling over a changeup
He was getting hurt earlier in the season by his cutter, and I really haven’t seen much of it at all recently. That pitch might need to come back.
He’s still got the lead. Let’s see if he can grind out another inning or two.
It’s a struggle right now.
Hughes can still make a quality start out of this
But he needs to bear down it goes without saying.
i don’t think hughes will go more than 5 today
Lets just get O’Sullivan outa the game, get to their middle relief, and put the hurtin on their pen.
That said, it doesn’t look like Hughes has his control today again. The yanks better not be done scoring because it looks like they’re going to need every run they can get.
I wasn’t a baseball fan back then, but I recall hearing about a stretch in 1999 where Andy Pettitte was beyond lost. He turned out okay.
“# Nick in SF July 25th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
You know what’s really unacceptable? For the 1927 Yankees to split or lose a series with the lowly Washington Senators.
Yet it happened.
In April the Yanks split a 2-game series with the Senators.
Then in early May they split a 4-game series.
Then, in late May, the Yankees lost a 5-game series 2-3. To the Senators!
It was so brutal on LoHud that month that GB7 put his laptop out with the empty milk bottles.”
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LOL
posada smoked that ball
rconn23 July 25th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Hughes is throwing fastballs right over the heart of the plate to a team that chases a lot of pitches out of the zone.
This lineup will chase pitches. They don’t take their walks.
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they haven’t been chasing
Realistically, if Hughes finishes the year 16-7 with a 4.10 ERA that’s a success for his rookie season as a starter and that’s a decent #3 in the AL East. The only thing I hope for from Hughes the rest of the way is to stay healthy and not fall off a cliff the way Joba did last August and September. He doesn’t have to be dominant like in April, just good enough to keep the team in the game.
Grandy man!
Grandy
whooooooo
Where the heck has this Granderson been?
Go Curtis!
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“Phil Hughes has a huge amount of upside, but there still are concerns. If he continues to not use his slider and change-up, he effectively becomes a two pitch pitcher. Now despite what you might have heard, starters can make it in this league with only two pitches as long as they are both quality pitches and if he can control them well. Hughes’ control doesn’t seem to be an issue despite his spate of walks this year. Everything that I read makes me think his control will be between good and great. The quality, though, might be an issue.
The fastball that Hughes has shown so far is average at best. He might be able to spice up the movement with a lowered arm angle or make some mechanical adjustments to get back some lost velocity, but if it continues as it is right now, major league batters will hit it hard. His curve has extraordinary movement but maybe too much movement for his own good. If hitters don’t have to worry about the slider and the change, identifying the curve will be that much easier because I don’t see a good solution to how he can disguise the pitch any better than he already is.
I feel like it is paramount that he throws his slider or change-up more often (preferably both) to keep hitters honest. Even if neither of these pitches are plus pitches right now, the slider at least has that potential. Most of Phil Hughes’ future is ahead of him and he should turn into a great pitcher, but he isn’t there yet. Time will tell if he makes it or not”.
“Realistically, if Hughes finishes the year 16-7 with a 4.10 ERA that’s a success for his rookie season as a starter and that’s a decent #3 in the AL East.”
Hell yes. I’ll take that. Maybe he gets into a groove in September and makes himself an obvious postseason option. His struggles are disappointing, but really, to be expected.
And all the things start with a HR by Curtis!
thought he was safe
Right now Phil’s fastball is good not great. He throws his fastball on almost every pitch. That is not a recipe for success. Earlier in the season his fastball had much more late life on it. I think it all comes down to his secondary pitches. You have to give the batter something else to think about and with Phil there is no surprise. And when he actually does throw his curveball he hangs it most of the time anyway so it doesn’t help.
Oh, could it be? Could Curtis possibly be coming out of his slump? I am crossing my fingers because the Yanks need his offense.
Granderson has become Gardner, and vice versa.
Hughes come down to the Earth quickly.
Ron, that sounds more like a scouting report from his debut season. His fastball is consistently 92-93 with movement this season. And he’s lost the huge loop on the curveball.
Pena hitting .270? Not gonna happen … ever.
We’ll take three quick outs and rain.
I’d like to see Phil bring the lollipop curve back once in a while. I like that pitch as his called strike curveball and the sharper downer as a putaway pitch low in the zone.
And when Hughes does throw his curveball, doesn’t it look like he’s always aiming for a strike? I think sometimes he needs to go deliberately out of the strike zone just to change the batter’s eye level.
I think I will give Hughes 5 ip today. Even he if he goes 1-2-3.
“Yankeefran July 25th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Oh, could it be? Could Curtis possibly be coming out of his slump?”
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We can only hope
He is a better player than what he has done it goes without saying.
“We’ll take three quick outs and rain.”
Yes please.
C’mon phil, close out this inning and lets get the top of the lineup out there to KO’Sullivan
I say that only so he can use those extra innings later in the season.
well done hughes
Great job by Hughes to have a quick inning with the rain coming
Uno-Dos-Tres
Excellent inning there. See if he can get through 6.
what the heck. Send him out for the 6th.
not raining in Jersey City yet…raining in the south bronx??
RS July 25th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Realistically, if Hughes finishes the year 16-7 with a 4.10 ERA that’s a success for his rookie season as a starter and that’s a decent #3 in the AL East. The only thing I hope for from Hughes the rest of the way is to stay healthy and not fall off a cliff the way Joba did last August and September. He doesn’t have to be dominant like in April, just good enough to keep the team in the game
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Most fans are happy with 10 wins from their #5 starter.
This may be A-Rod’s inning to do it right here.
if Hughes finishes 16-7 with an ERA around 4 then we should all dance a jig because that’s great in a first season in this division.
If granderson joins Teixera in starting to hit to their potential then this offense could be really somthing….hopefully this is a step towards that…he’s been swinging better lately.
If Alex doesn’t do it today. He will do it on his birthday.
It’s pouring here in northern NJ
O’Sullivan is feeling the pressure too, I think.
crap. my picture is freezing up
stupid cable
he missed his pitch
I had no picture for most of this at bat and now I don’t have sound.
G-C -
Me too. Just got the picture and sound back. Whew.
A hush has fallen over the LoHud.
But all for naught.
A-Rod will do it on the road.
# RS July 25th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
It’s pouring here in northern NJ
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lucky you, we (central NJ) are still waiting for the rain.
Alex will get at least 1 more chance.
I’d really like to tack on some more runs to make this game feel a little more secure.
This isn’t Phil’s first year – his first year starting was 2007.
I won’t say much more about that other than to say that no, I am not dancing a jig at what he’s showing us.
It seems that Posada visits the mount an awful lot.
Getting some drizzle now…
nice 3 and 2 pitch, 2 more please
This game will be stopped shortly, hopefully Pena doesn’t blow away……
Betsy July 25th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
This isn’t Phil’s first year – his first year starting was 2007.
I won’t say much more about that other than to say that no, I am not dancing a jig at what he’s showing us.
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Technically it’s not his first year as a starter. But as most of us know he got injured and didn’t pitch a full season. So this will be his 1st full year as a starter.
Teams are watching other teams, waiting for someone to move first and gauge market. A lot of overly high asking prices stalling the market.
Looks like Hughes is done for the day.
now if this great doesn’t get restarted, is gets suspened at worse the pens get spend again.
can’t catch a break
This is his first full year starting for the Yankees.
That’s how you look at it. Not when he made his first start.
This is the longest he has been in the rotation this late into the season.
It’s called “development” and “learning your craft”.
If some folks are too impatient to allow for growing pains, then having young starters on your team probably isn’t good for you.
Hughes wasn’t going to pitch more than six anyway. Robertson and Joba are rested.
G-C -
I was convinced he’d hit it during the picture freeze. Shucks.
Been busy making a BBQ here, with the game on the t.v. I’d be okay if the rain it out now.
It looks like the storm is coming to central NJ, too.
The rain ends at Williamsport, Pa and it’s clear after that.
Blake:
“If granderson joins Teixera in starting to hit to their potential then this offense could be really somthing….hopefully this is a step towards that…he’s been swinging better lately.”
In some ways I am amazed that we have the best record right now. Watching this offense has been less than exciting for a while now. well not as of late..
I’ve been saying — which I think is happening now — that when this offense starts clicking.. “Look out!”
Great job by Phil today to bounce back and get some quick outs with the War of the Worlds about to go down.
How can anyone fault him for that piece of garbage home run Podsednik hit? That might have been the cheapest home run in the history of this park, and there have been plenty of cheap ones. Blame Lonn Trost for making this an absolute bandbox if you want to complain about that home run.
Phil looked good today. Fastball was crisp and he was throwing his curveball for strikes consistently which we haven’t seen in a while.
I think he’s close to busting out again. In the meantime he’s 12-3 with a 4.04 ERA and a 96/32 strikeout to walk ratio. I’ll take it.
His K rate is diminished drastically (FB not so great? No movement? Let’s face it – he’s no Verlander; his velocity is nothing special, so without command or movement just how good is his FB), he’s giving up ridiculous amounts of HRs at YS – and mostly to bad players. He has no secondary pitches – forget the change for now, concentrate on the curve. He has no command…….The kid has talent, but he’s not talented enough to make up for all these problems. The Yankees have a lot of fixing to do with him – and it won’t be easy.
Johnny Bench is off his rocker.
“I was convinced he?d hit it during the picture freeze. Shucks.”
Same here. Although I keep Gameday up when I’m watching at home. I was sure the little blue dot with “In play, run(s) scored” was going to pop up.
He’s really just got to learn to pitch in YS a little better I think. Even if he cuts his homeruns by 10%, that would be a big enough drop off to be even more effective. He’s going to be good.
Hughes going to be just fine. He’ll do alright for the rest of the year. If somebody told you that Hughes wou;d end the season with 15-17 wins, 160 strikeouts and 175 innings with a 4.10-4.15 ERA, Girardi and the Yankees would sign up for that for 4 of the starters on the staff and add in what sabathia does for a staff.
“His K rate is diminished drastically (FB not so great? No movement? Let?s face it ? he?s no Verlander; his velocity is nothing special, so without command or movement just how good is his FB), he?s giving up ridiculous amounts of HRs at YS ? and mostly to bad players. He has no secondary pitches ? forget the change for now, concentrate on the curve. He has no command??.The kid has talent, but he?s not talented enough to make up for all these problems. The Yankees have a lot of fixing to do with him ? and it won?t be easy.”
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We get it, Phil sucks.
He’s hopeless and should settle in as a back of the rotation starter maybe on a team like Kansas City. The Yankees should see if they can swing a deal for Farnsworth and maybe get DeJesus thrown in. This way next year they can slot DeJesus in for Gardner (he’s hitting .200 this month, he’s clearly coming back down to earth as his bat control appears kind of shoddy and he’s hitting a much too concentrated combination of groundballs and popups to the left side).
Betsy,
You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to pitching.
Your 3:05 post couldn’t be more incorrect.
He doesn’t need “fixing” because he isn’t broke.
Betsy, maybe you need to find another ‘favorite’ pitcher. Have you looked at Ubaldo Jimenez’ stats recently? His ERA was under 1 on June 6th, now it’s 2.75. And this his Jimenez’ 4 year of being a starter.
Young pitchers go through a learning process, he has all the tools to be a top flight starter. You have the most slanted view of a player (based on your last post) one could imagine, do you feel like a jilted lover or something?
SJ, are you or are you not interested in having a discussion? In case you are, I really don’t understand how you are not concerned in the slightest with anything you’ve seen from him. Just saying he’s talented isn’t enough – ok, there are a lot of talented pitchers out there. You keep throwing out the chestnut about Yankee fans having zero patience. Instead of that, why don’t you be open-minded? He does not have a good curve – I’m sorry, as inconsistent as it is, it’s not a good one. Everything I just wrote above is true. Yes, young pitchers struggle, but he’s got a lot of issues to work on how do you not see that? It’s nothing personal for pete’s sake.
By the way – so, the Yankees don’t want to give up anyone. Noesi?
@SI_JonHeyman
besides declining to include joba in haren deal, #yankees dont want to surrender pitchers hector noesi or dellin betances
Betsy giving up on her boy again?
i thought the picture freeze was only on my side. I actually want to see Alex get his 300th stolen base before his 600th homerun
MG, comparing Phil to Jimenez is a joke, right?
I’m sure Jimenez’ struggles have to do with poor mechanics or just overall poor execution; he has the pitches.
Just because I like Phil doesn’t mean I have to think everything is rosy with him……….but if you guys do, then there’s nothing left to say.
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I haven’t been on here all game until when the power went out. I take it from your last post, it’s been more of the same, regarding Hughes.
Everyone wants the Yankees to hold onto their pitching prospects, but most are not willing to go through the growing pains.
It’s almost worked to Hughes’ disadvantage to have gotten off to such a great start, because it amped up expectations. Now the numbers he ends up with will be a disappointment to some even though before he even threw a pitch this season, people would have thrown parties for those numbers.
In he same vein, yesterday on the radio, Suzyn and John were talking about the numbers that Tex is probably going to end up with and they said something about 30 homeruns. Suzyn then said, well, no, if he ends up with 30, that’ll mean he’s not had a very good second half. It’s a wacky game.
Man Ajax is 3 for 4 today hitting .317
Just had a leadoff triple for Detroit in the 8th inning
I know I was for acquiring Granderson but Ajax has played very well in Detroit
He doesn’t have HR power, but he has 24 doubles, 112 Hits, 6 3B in his rookie season
Just wondering if he would be doing that if we still had him.
Then say nothing for god’s sake…
Mick, he’s not my boy – he’s Dori and Phil Sr’s boy. If you want to think everything is hunky dory and that he has nothing to work on, then you go ahead. We can discusss the rain if you’d like – that would be more productive.
Hughes didn’t pitch badly today. First of all, the guy in front of Posednik was clearly out. Then Posednik hits one off the foul poll in left field. He didn’t walk anyone and, other than the shot hit by Ankiel on a pitch right down the middle, the Royals really didn’t hit the ball hard.
He’ll make some adjustments pitching at Yankee Stadium to keep it in the ballpark, that’s really all he needs to do to pitch winning baseball for a long time.
If this is the new request for Haren, Cashman will tell the D-Backs to stick it deep.
•SI’s Jon Heyman tweets that in addition to Chamberlain, the Yankees are hesitant to part with pitchers Hector Noesi and Dellin Betances in a potential Haren trade.
This blog is amazing to me. Should be called ” Knock City !”
This team is in 1st. place, best record in baseball, most runs scored, and will soon make some moves to get even better, and most here are delusional expecting all players every day to get hits, pitch great or ELSE !
It’s a game, a sport, played by REAL people that are NOT perfect ! ( who is ?)
Only people like SJ44, and a few others seem to understand !
It’s almost worked to Hughes’ disadvantage to have gotten off to such a great start, because it amped up expectations. Now the numbers he ends up with will be a disappointment
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Not to smart baseball fans.
Nope, this is a blog and I’ll post as I want to………….you can’t ignore me? Too freaking bad……..
S J. Insufferable as usual
# 57ryank July 25th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
This blog is amazing to me. Should be called ” Knock City !”
This team is in 1st. place, best record in baseball, most runs scored, and will soon make some moves to get even better, and most here are delusional expecting all players every day to get hits, pitch great or ELSE !
It’s a game, a sport, played by REAL people that are NOT perfect ! ( who is ?)
Only people like SJ44, and a few others seem to understand !
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Good post rocky.
It’s my blog and I’ll post what I want to, yeah, yeah, yeak…
Wow..I’m reading through these posts for the first time today…
Most of you really are idiots.
Jose Veras still up to his old self in Florida now
blew the game the other night and now just walked 2 men in 0.1 innings to load the bases.
Have you put your resume in for pitching coach yet, betsy?
“MG, comparing Phil to Jimenez is a joke, right?
I?m sure Jimenez? struggles have to do with poor mechanics or just overall poor execution; he has the pitches.”
Why is comparing Phil to Jimenez a “joke?” Phil has not been outpitched by Ubaldo by all that much this season. Look beyond the ERA and you’ll see they’ve pitched relatively similarly. There’s this thing that happens called regression to the mean. It happens particularly often with young pitchers who tend to not pitch uniformly and consistently but rather have particularly hot streaks and particularly bad streaks.
But what do I know. I’m not the one up in arms over an outing in which a starting pitcher allowed 3 earned runs in 5 1/3 innings pitched.
“Just wondering if he would be doing that if we still had him.”
We’d have another trade chip and the ability to acquire Crawford, a superior player in every facet other than power, to play in the OF next year.
SJ, how do you do it? Seriously…how do you not want to bash your head against the wall reading what some of these morons spout off about?
I love how they go from “oh god it’s over, the season is over!!!11!!” to “best team ever, i told you so!!!11!!!” in the same thread.
Most of you really are idiots.
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Care to name names, I don’t think so…
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
If this is the new request for Haren, Cashman will tell the D-Backs to stick it deep.
•SI’s Jon Heyman tweets that in addition to Chamberlain, the Yankees are hesitant to part with pitchers Hector Noesi and Dellin Betances in a potential Haren trade.
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I agree but that’s no different than Joba + Nova + Banuelos.
AZ is honing in on our top pitching prospects.
Almost every pitcher on the Yankee staff last year took some time to adjust pitching in the new ballpark.
His ERA at home this year is 5.22 with a 5.29 FIP.
On the road his ERA is 2.36 with a 1.95 FIP.
He has now given up 15 HR at YS vs 0 on the road.
He deserves some time just like the guy’s in the rotation last year to adjust to pitching in this ballpark.
Betsy, you complain and whine about Phil Hughes every single freaking day on this blog, then you say he’s someone else’s ‘boy’? Give me a break already.
I’m a Yankees fan, I root for all the players, not just one. I recognize there are highs and lows to every season for every player and not get bent out of shape when someone isn’t performing up to the ‘expectations’ of fans who think every loss is a cause for impending doom.
That comment about not being able to compare Hughes to Jimenez because ‘Jimenez has all the pitches’ is absolutely ridiculous as well. How do you know what his problems are right now? Jimenez is 26 and when he was 23 his ERA for Colorado was 4.26 and has gone down by about .5 runs per year. If you don’t think Hughes can do the same then it’s clear you know absolutely nothing about baseball.
We won’t know how Hughes will be until his 3rd full year as a starter. He wasn’t bad today. As someone here stated earlier. A bad call on the stolen base. And a homerun after that just hit the foul pole. Maybe doesn’t happen if the guy was thrown out. And no walks.
“# EveryoneSucksExceptSJCBDoreen July 25th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Wow..I’m reading through these posts for the first time today…
Most of you really are idiots.”
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The least you can do is not further serve to add to it by insulting others.
That is part of the problem on the blog, folks feel the need to use names to attack others.
Don’t know about most but I’m here to root for the Yankees, among folks I thought were fellow Yankee fans.
If I see a post I don’t like I just ignore it and move on without labeling others as idiots or not entitled to speak freely.
There should be more bragging on these guys !
# mick July 25th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Most of you really are idiots.
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Care to name names, I don’t think so…
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Too many to name, but YOU weren’t on my list…..
that might change.
Noesi is going to stop him from getting Dan Haren? lol
Does Cash expect to get him for Colin Curtis and Albaladejo?
If not for Phil what would there be to talk about?
# Macfan July 25th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
“# EveryoneSucksExceptSJCBDoreen July 25th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Wow..I’m reading through these posts for the first time today…
Most of you really are idiots.”
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The least you can do is not further serve to add to it by insulting others.
That is part of the problem on the blog, folks feel the need to use names to attack others.
Don’t know about most but I’m here to root for the Yankees, among folks I thought were fellow Yankee fans.
If I see a post I don’t like I just ignore it and move on without labeling others as idiots or not entitled to speak freely.
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See, I chose not to name names. I’m on your side!
You gonna have a baseball discussion with an idiot like “California”? No, I didn’t think so.
Too many to name, but YOU weren’t on my list…..
that might change.
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Thank you, I guess.
You’re welcome, Mick.
He named names, he’s on the list.
GC, if that’s what pas ses for conversation with you, then it’s a good thing that I’m not interested in having one with you. You stick your head in the sand like an ostrich – I never said Phil sucks, but he has a lot to work on. What, is he immune from criticism? I guess so.
Nancy Newman is a joy to watch.
Hello, Newman.
But seriously, where is California now? I mean, talk all the crap you want but when you’re proven to be an idiot, like he was, why not have the balls to stay and admit you suck?
any word if & when the game will resume?
Nobody thinks things are hunky-dory, we’re just not into proclaiming what he is or won’t be in the future.
I’m not going to jump on you because it looks like everyone else already did that. But do you ever wonder why everyone reacts the same way? What you’re typing and what we’re reading just might be two entirely different things.
Well, thanks for the insults SJ – that’s been a long time coming. You’re right – Phil has a great FB, he has a great curve and he has fantastic command. No problem……….I could list all your posts where you show you have no clue, but that would take all day.
Yo Betsy…
You realize this is Phil’s first full year as a major league starter, right? of course he has a lot to work on. it’s wrong for us to expect a cy young from him this year.
Give him a break, he’s a 4th starter for gods sake. He gives innings, keep them in most games and has 11 (almost 12) wins! What more do you want from his first full year as a big time starter?
So the D’backs want the Yanks to give up Joba+ one of the single A studs and pay the $33m on Haren’s contract?…LOL Cashman isn’t a moron.
Only a moron would complain about Hughes… guy is going to win 15 games in his rookie year… nothing is wrong with him.
I thought registration would get rid of these whiners…
For what the Dbacks are asking for .. Dan Harnen will be rotting on a last place team
Eroc, registration just gives the appearance of being able to rid us of trolls, not the whiners.
The whiners on this board will never go away, unless they go 160-2. And even then there will be some bad days.
I’m not going to jump on you because it looks like everyone else already did that. But do you ever wonder why everyone reacts the same way?
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That question is profound.
Some people just don’t get it, m.
M, nope, I don’t wonder about that. IMO, they view Phil through rose- colored glas ses and see absolutely nothing wrong with him. He’s not struggling, he’s got nothing to work on………..and these opinions should be taken seriously? Anyone not wearing a blindfold can tell that Phil has issues right now. The difference is that without being attacked first, I won’t attack them.
You can’t blame the D’Backs asking for the sun and the stars for one of their better pitchers. They’re not going to just give him away.
At some point, someone will fold and he’ll be dealt.
MG, that’s beneath you, but ok……we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
I thought registration would get rid of these whiners…
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We would need an exterminator for that job.
Looks like a hurricane is blowing in.
I could only imagine if some of you were fans of a bad team if this is how act and hand wring over every pitch of a team as good as the Yankees.
And Betsy is borderline scary stalker when it comes to Hughes. The kid is developing and hitting some struggles in his first full year…very few pitchers don’t go through this.
lets give the kid a break, his numbers are incredibly good for his first year in the rotation, if you asked me in february that the phil would have this kind of numbers by july i would be throwing a party. Can he improve?? certainly. Does he have issues with his off speed offerings?? you bet. But still he is done a great job and his development should continue, so give him a break and let him learn his craft
Betsy, what pitcher doesn’t have issues?
But he’s a first year starter, that’s why he’s given a break. The rational fan realizes this and doesn’t expect any more from him other than learning how to be a big time starter.
The fact that he got off to such a hot start makes his struggles now that much more apparent.
its over
Yay!
It’s our stadium that has issues, not Phil.
LOL – just dug this post up:
Captain Clutch July 28, 1995 at 4:45 pm
So the Jays want the Yanks to give up Marty Janzen+ Mike Gordon, and Jason Jarvis and pay David Cone’s contract?….LOL Gene Michael isn’t a moron.
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Fast forward four WS championships later . . . .
MG, fortunately I didn’t ask your opinion on whether I know anything about baseball………nor do I care. If you want to get personal about it, that’s on you.
Captain Clutch July 25th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
So the D’backs want the Yanks to give up Joba+ one of the single A studs and pay the $33m on Haren’s contract.
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It appears that way.
I’m not sure how the money works out on both ends but I am sure the Yankees are being shorted.
I’d ask for an additional 8 million and Chris Snyder which is basically asking them to throw in Chris Snyder, fully paid through 2010 and 2011 including his 2012 buyout.
I thought registration would get rid of these whiners…
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Why?? Why would you think this?
Tim Lincecum’s ERA was 1.75 in mid May, it’s now 3.18. Does that mean he has ‘a lot to work on’
Main Cain has given up 26 earned runs in his last 43 innings, does that mean he has ‘a lot to work on’?
Justin Verlander has a 3.76 ERA this year in a huge ballpark, it’s .34 runs per game less than Phil Hughes. So what does he have to ‘work on’?
This is just so stupid it borders on ridiculous. Hughes will be what he will be, none of us can change that one bit. He seems like a kid committed to excellence and with the ability to get there, what else can a fan want?
Just stopped raining in Queens, but it is very windy.
who’s MG?
Not true at all Betsy.
We all can see Phil is struggling. We know he’s given up all 15 HR at NYS. We know that he’s relying too much on his fastball and getting bit by his cutter.
But we don’t make broad sweeping statements about him. We don’t act like he’s a total failure.
Phil has an ERA a hair over 4. Doesn’t walk a ton of guys. Pitching in the AL East. Stretching out after being in the bullpen.
So, yes he has some issues. But there’s a lot of good to take from his year so far. And some of us prefer not to dwell on it. We think about it, but we don’t freak out about it. I’m not saying you’re freaking out about it. Just saying.
He’s not struggling, he’s got nothing to work on………..and these opinions should be taken seriously?
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Untrue. Just that nobody harps on it like you. I said it before, good thing you’re not Phil’s Mom, as he would have never made it this far.
Oh there he is
Remember when people wanted to give Hughes a big contract extension? lol
Amazing how reactionary people are, good or bad.
I’m not saying you’re freaking out about it. Just saying.
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I beg to differ.
LOL – thank goodness Betsy is not the pitching coach. She would totally destroy Phil Hughes’ confidence with her criticisms and lack of understanding that it is a growing process with young pitchers. She would say – Phil – why are you not pitching like an ace today, why no CG, why did you allow those two homeruns, why???
Remember when people wanted to give Hughes a big contract extension? lol
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They should definitely give hughes a contract which buys out his arbitration years and some FA years. And if a down hear helps bring down the AAV all the better.
Betsy,
I think you need to go back to your 3:05 post, reread it, and think about what you are saying.
You basically said Phil Hughes, a kid who in his first full year starting in the big leagues made the All Star Team, has a decent fastball, no secondary pitches, no command, and the Yankees have A LOT of fixing to do.
You basically just described an unpolished low level minor leaguer.
Just think about that and the reactions you are getting.
if i caught Alex’s 600th. i would ask for season tickets in the expensive seats.
M, ok………I respect your opinion.
What happens if the person who catches 600 refuses to give it to A-Rod?
http://josephdelgrippo.wordpre.....e-respond/
~Nice piece about hughes against the rs this year in a game.
I saw this game & remembered thinking they are jumping on his inside cutter & fouling a lot of away pitches off.
Hughes will adjust,he is doing as well as he is throwing about 80 % fastballs when the greatest hitters in the world know whats coming,can you imagine how good he will be when he mixes a cb,cutter,change-up in?
Betsy,
No opinion. Just some friendly advice. We love you, but we love Phil more! Just kidding. Take it easy on our boy. He’s just going through some growing pains.
I hope Phil ends up not giving up a single HR on the road this season. That has to be part of some freak trivia question.
Betsy, you need to broaden your perspective on pitching a bit.
I’m not even going to bother treating Hughes with kid gloves because I think he’s arrived and is going to be a force from now into October. And thats a stretch given that this is his first full season as a big league starter. I’ll ignore the fact that David Price and Tim Lincecum both had rocky first full seasons as starters- oh wait, there’s more! Lester, Buchholz, Cain, they all took their big league lumps.
And guess what- they will CONTINUE to take lumps at the big league level. Because ALL pitchers do! Veterans go through this type of stuff all the time.
There was a time in early 2000 when Roger Clemens had gone through about 1.25 years of mediocre, 4.60 ERA level pitching, and it appeared he had reached the end of his run as an even good pitcher. He turned out okay.
Mike Mussina had a stretch in early 2002 when he couldn’t get ANYONE out.
Andy Pettitte was so bad in 1999 that he was almost dealt away for Adam Eaton. And that was a continuation of poor pitching in late 1998 when he almost surely would have been passed over in critical playoff games for Orlando Hernandez in his rookie year on three days rest.
Hahaha
That Valverde gave up a 2 run HR with 2 outs in a tied game in the 8th against Toronto
Good, that dude was moving like a circus mime on the mound when he faced the Yankees and got them out.
Quite a character.
Good, that dude was moving like a circus mime on the mound when he faced the Yankees and got them out.
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A circus mime, lol.
somebody needs to test Jose Molina. 3rd homer today and a .274 average.
LGY – I’m torn between wanting to respond to you and just wanting to let this thing lie. I’m going with the latter, but I just didn’t want you to think I was ignoring you.
What’s the status on the game? It’ll totally blow to have to go to the bullpen again. The long guys have gotten a lot of work. I’m seeing a mix of Logan, Park, Joba, & Mo?
You guys should thank your lucky stars for people like Betsy.
Without her, posts would be cut in half.
Without her, who would we pick on?
Green,
3 in one day? Or 3 on the season?
If Hughes was throwing 98mph. We wouldn’t be hearing many complaints. probably
Shelly Duncan to pinch hit for the go-ahead run.
a cold front.
GB,
Sure you got the right Molina brother?
GC, I am aware of all that……….
~ betsy:
Give hughes some credit please.
You act like he is broke forever.
He just needs to adjust,he will be fine.
He is a 23 year old boy playing against the best players on the planet.
He just needs to work on some other pitches,i’ll bet you he’s going to be a great pitcher,have faith.
Call the game, cue Sinatra and send KC packing
If Girardi does go for and get the Cubs managing job. Do we go after Mattingly? Or maybe Willie?
LOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
igotid88,
Go with Pena.
I don’t Girardi goes, but any chance the Cubs would make Girardi take Sandberg as his bench coach?
m July 25th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Green,
3 in one day? Or 3 on the season?
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3 on the year. That’s 3 homers in one day in dog years
Your standards for Hughes have also bloated too far.
Andy Pettitte has only had a handful of major league seasons better than the one Hughes is having RIGHT now. Thats not disparaging Andy Pettitte, who has been a model of consistency and reliability since 1996.
It more speaks to Hughes and in this particular case puts things a bit in perspective for hysterical people crying about his recent “failures.”
mick,
i don’t think anyone is picking on Betsy, she has her point of view that generates a lot of discusion wich is fine, as long as it stays in the respectfull cathegory
Mays wants to manage ? LOL Randolph, I know.
Lou is retiring ! Good man in my view as a hard-nosed player and manager !
Luis,
This is true. She brings it upon herself.
“GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
somebody needs to test Jose Molina. 3rd homer today and a .274 average.”
at first glance i thought you meant he had 3 homers today…i almost passed out
The whole Blue Jays team has to be on some kind of PED. It’s not even a question of if, but what, IMO.
I hope this one gets called. That would be the best thing for the bullpen right now. Save the bullets.
They don’t have another off day until Aug 5th.
Maybe Anthony Galea is their team doctor?
GC, I don’t think so, but again, there’s nothing left to say anymore about it…….
I miss CB.
Betsy – I miss the three-day period where you swore you’d never come back and were gone.
GF, I don’t think that’s happening – they gave an update at YS and it appears to be clearing.
# Betsy July 25th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
GC, I don’t think so, but again, there’s nothing left to say anymore about it…….
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Until he pitches again…
# Betsy July 25th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
GC, I don’t think so, but again, there’s nothing left to say anymore about it…….
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Betsy gives ?
“They don’t have another off day until Aug 5th.”
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The good thing for the Yankees is that they don’t have any games left on the West Coast
Tampa has another road trip to the West Coast
and they have another West Coast trip in September
Red Sox have are currently out there and not enjoying it,
The furthest the Yankees go is Texas. a place they have always enjoyed playing ala Minnesota.
GF, I don’t think that’s happening – they gave an update at YS and it appears to be clearing.
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Up til 4:30 when the sky’s will open again with 40 mph winds, better get your ice cream now…
I’ve been posting the same thing gere since 2007…..Phillip Hughes is going to be a star pitcher for the NY Yankees……Right now he’s in uncharted waters, however he’ll be fine…In fact he’ll be better due to this…….Trust me, he’s going to be special
All I know is that Wilson Betemit is their number 3 hitter. If I’m a KC fan, I’m thinking about choosing another team to root for…their GMs the past decade made very bad decisions.
I enjoy watching Hughes pitch. He may be struggling, but even during his struggles he wins or gives the team a chance. He really is still learning. He’s learning how to get through a full season in MLB as a SP, how to negotiate a lineup 3 or 4 times, how to make adjustments, how to set hitters up. He’s still perfecting his pitches. In 2 years when he’s entering his prime he’ll be awesome. He’ll probably be 12-3 after today. How could anyone not be happy with that from a #5? He’s contributing to the team’s drive for #28 and I’m sure he’s got some more great games in him this year. Glad to read in the previous thread that Joe does not want to put PH in the pen during the season.
Hughes gave us a chance to win today unlike mitre yesterday.
He needs support from his fans,family,teammates,he does not need to be ripped appart & thrown in the garbage.
I’d like betsy to sit down with hughes,girrardi,hughes parents & a few scouts,
~Betsy you would have a different perspective i’m sure.
We do not know for sure what hughes will be going forward but nobody knew with any other young pitcher who ever played the game either including the smartest baseball people around.
Lost,
I agree.
Doreen,
That’s a great point about so many fans insisting on the Yanks pitching prospects but then being unwilling to be patient through their growing pains. The two go hand in hand. Hughes hadn’t thrown this many innings in a couple years and teams are getting scouting reports on him now. He is still learning how to get it done at this level. He’s going to be fine and is having a great season for his age. You can’t keep pitching prospects and then fail to have patience with them.
Mick,
i don’t disagree with you, but what i meant is that i dont’t think i’m picking on her just because i happen to have a diferent opinion than hers
Fran the original July 25th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
GB,
Sure you got the right Molina brother?
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Jose Molina.
That last name makes you want to play Shirley Ellis’ “Name Game”.
Molina, Molina, bo-bolina,
Banana-fana fo-folina
Fee-fi-mo-lina
Molina
# luis July 25th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Mick,
i don’t disagree with you, but what i meant is that i dont’t think i’m picking on her just because i happen to have a diferent opinion than hers
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But she does and therein lies the problem.
Betsy,
I like you. You’re a big Yankee fan and you’re passionate about baseball.
But its frustrating to have a discussion that goes from you making a point, to me making a counterpoint. Your response to that counterpoint is either nonexistant because you claim to be insulted by something I say, or is something along the lines of “I agree to disagree” or “okay, well I don’t have anything else to say about this.”
The fact that you can’t make a counterargument most of the time should indicate to you that there are some flaws in your logic and that a lot of what you are saying is based on emotional irrationality. It happens to me too. I don’t particularly like Cliff Lee and often disparage him as being nothing more than an above average major league lefty, yada yada ya. Rational people retort my arguments with facts and statistics and I’m often left hanging and unable to respond.
Betsy,
I like you. You’re a big Yankee fan and you’re passionate about baseball.
But its frustrating to have a discussion that goes from you making a point, to me making a counterpoint. Your response to that counterpoint is either nonexistant because you claim to be insulted by something I say, or is something along the lines of “I agree to disagree” or “okay, well I don’t have anything else to say about this.”
The fact that you can’t make a counterargument most of the time should indicate to you that there are some flaws in your logic and that a lot of what you are saying is based on emotional irrationality. It happens to me too. I don’t particularly like Cliff Lee and often disparage him as being nothing more than an above average major league lefty, yada yada ya. Rational people retort my arguments with facts and statistics and I’m often left hanging and unable to respond.
I’d like betsy to sit down with hughes,girrardi,hughes parents & a few scouts,
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Many would pay to see that.
GC, take a look at the posts directed at me; if you do that, you’ll see why I can’t continue this conversation any longer. I’m not interested in being attacked and since that is exactly what’s going to happen if I continue on, I’ve chosen to just stop. I think you can understand – just put yourself in my shoes.
“# m July 25th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Maybe Anthony Galea is their team doctor?
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lol
GC, take a look at the posts directed at me; if you do that, you’ll see why I can’t continue this conversation any longer. I’m not interested in being attacked and since that is exactly what’s going to happen if I continue on, I’ve chosen to just stop. I think you can understand – just put yourself in my shoes.
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Could it be that the others could be right ? ( majority ) Try those shoes on ! Just sayin’
Personal attacks, I don’t condone.
57ryank, I’ve been personally attacked – that’s why I’ve chosen to bow out of any further discussion. Discretion is the better part of valor.
mick ,
i get your point, agreed
Discussion regarding our 5th starter, that is
Betsy July 25th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
GC, take a look at the posts directed at me; if you do that, you’ll see why I can’t continue this conversation any longer. I’m not interested in being attacked and since that is exactly what’s going to happen if I continue on, I’ve chosen to just stop. I think you can understand – just put yourself in my shoes.
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Alright!! Now onto Bret the hitman and stopping his crazy trade ideas and after that to begin preparations against the Philly Phitin if he ever returns.
On a more serious front – if you are going to constantly nit pick Phil Hughes – be prepared for a rebuttal.
# Betsy July 25th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Discussion regarding our 5th starter, that is
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Not a problem. Sometimes, we all need to think before we speak. Again, personal stuff is ridiculous !
Betsy July 25th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Discussion regarding our 5th starter, that is
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I think that’s basically the point. Our 5th starter. If he were our #1 or #2. You’d have some backers. But even then not many. Considering 11(maybe12) -3 would be good for a #1 or #2.
Without darnkness there can be no light.
Lost,
You tweeted that the Yankees called KC about Greinke to see what it would take to get him but passed because they’re worried about “shoulder problems”.
It seems strange that the Yankees would call in the first place if they were worried about shoulder problems.
It seems even stranger that KC would bring up his supposed “shoulder problems” in a season where he’s on pace for 222 innings.
Who says he has shoulder problems?
Where is the evidence of this?
Why bother calling at all?
Stoneburner, I can handle rebuttals (see LGY), but the other comments were extremely personal……..and I don’t deserve that regardless. If other people do, so be it, but I’m not obligated to respond to them.
Any hope of the game starting again?
Anybody live in the Bronx? How’s the weather? Gonna get this game in?
Someone said it earlier but it bears repeating.
Phil was not hit hard today IMO.
One run was stolen from him by a bad call, and a second on a YS special.
The only ball that was really tagged was Ankiel’s. That was just a bad pitch. period.
They way I look at it Phil’s outing should have been no more than 2 runs, and with any luck at all 1 run.
In any case, I figured him for at least 6 innings of 3 run ball.
A quality start in anybody’s book.
If the Yanks hold on to win YMH will get the win and be 12-3.
And since Phil bucked it up and held on just like I asked him to he will get his tribute just like I promised.
Personally, I hope the game is finished off by the rain.
Is there a set amount of time they wait to call the game
Any chance of this game starting up again?
I wonder how Arod will defend number 600 inspite of his PED gorging? It’s sad that his numbers need a huge asterisk by them.
by Joel Thorman • Jul 9, 2010 10:00 AM CDT
The Royals received a minor scare when Zack Greinke had a minor shoulder issue in his Tuesday start. He didn’t leave the game but anytime a pitcher has a shoulder issue, it’s not a good thing.
That said, it sounds like Greinke will be fine, according to Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star
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Call them back!!!!
just call the game, I hate long delays where half the stadium leaves
I agree.. Mother nature just hates our bullpen and wants to burn them out.
eh, they didn’t call the game Friday… and it was almost an hour and a half delay and that was a night game… i think they’ll wait this one out…
Melkman- What is he supposed to say? He already apologized for taking peds. I am not all that hyped up about 600 hrs because of it. But he probably would have done it anyway with his talent.
haha. Youkilis couldn’t make the play in foul territory. stumbles.
Micheal Kay has not eaten a tomato, egg, mustard, or ketchup?
Nice rain delay. I was able to drive down to AT&T Park and back and miss nothing.
@Doreen: FYI, you only get the Jerry Garcia bobblehead on August 9th if you bought special tickets. I suspect you don’t care too much about that, though.
What team has scored the most runs in July? That’s right, the San Francisco Gigantes. Going into yesterday, they had scored almost 10 more runs in July than the Yankees, second in the majors. And the Giants expanded the differential by 6 runs after yesterday’s action.
Thank you, Buster Posey.
I wonder how Arod will defend number 600 inspite of his PED gorging? It’s sad that his numbers need a huge asterisk by them.
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How did Hank Aaron defend his own tainted HR total?
A funny story in the Chicago Sun Times about Joe G managing the Cubs. Me thinks he isn’t going anywhere.
I’ve read where Hank Aaron admitted taking amphetamines during games. Should his HR mark have a huge asterisk?
ron July 25th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
by Joel Thorman • Jul 9, 2010 10:00 AM CDT
The Royals received a minor scare when Zack Greinke had a minor shoulder issue in his Tuesday start. He didn’t leave the game but anytime a pitcher has a shoulder issue, it’s not a good thing.
That said, it sounds like Greinke will be fine, according to Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star.
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The start mentioned was July 6th.
It’s now July 25th.
I would think Greinke has made a start since then…
and he has.
Greinke has started 2 games since that issue came up, a 6 inning game and an 8 inning game with 9 strikeouts.
It’s hard to see the Yankees “concern” Lost mentioned in his tweet.
At least they’re talking…
lol @ comparing amphetamines to steroids
Re: Haren
There is very little daylight between Ivan Nova and Hector Noesi.
From what I have heard here Noesi might project a little better but basically they are the same pitcher.
I hope that dealing Noesi would never become the sticking point in any negotiation for Danny Haren.
Banuelos, Betances, even Joba I can understand but not a Nova or a Noesi.
Snakes. I have a message for you from the Yankees.
Get real or we walk. Comprendo ?
Cash. Just keep letting the DB’s twist in the wind. You are in the driver’s seat. But hey, I think you already knew that.
Hope you are feeling us DiPoto.
lol @ comparing amphetamines to steroids
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Yea amphetamines are probably more helpful.
“# Sweet Swinging Cano July 25th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
But he probably would have done it anyway with his talent.
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probably not, none of us really know the extent of his PED use…Texas was probably not the only place he used them. He mentioned the pressure of his contract is why he started using them in Texas, so the pressure suddenly went away when he signed with the New York Yankees? yeah right
“”"”Melkman- What is he supposed to say? He already apologized for taking peds. I am not all that hyped up about 600 hrs because of it. But he probably would have done it anyway with his talent.”"”"
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It’s too late. He committed a crime by illegally taking HGH. There are 30 million plus reasons he isn’t going to say much. He’s forever tainted. Flloyd Landis should have a beer with him sometime.
That is why you can’t put an asterisk by anyones numbers. Nobody knows what the old timers did in their day for sure. People just want to blame the new generation. I beg to differ. Records are records.
Jose Lopez is a really bad baseball player.
And he’s the cleanup hitter for the Seattle Mariners.
I’d be surprised if this doesn’t go down as a historically bad offense.
Just a terrible plan by the Seattle GM to go exclusively defense.
Babe Ruth ate performance enhancing hot dogs and drank performance enhancing beer…..asterick.
“# Nick in SF July 25th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Thank you, Buster Posey.
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Buster Posey is tearing it up, love watching that guy play
Doing steroids means taking tremendous legal, professional, and health risks in order to benefit your team and help them win. = Team Player
amphetamines help you focus more
steroids can make home runs out of fly balls that should be 20 feet short of the fence
advantage = steroids
Melkman,
Alex didn’t test positive for HGH. It was steroids. They say he didn’t need to use them. I wonder why he did?
Tampa- Arod didn’t need steroids. Just like Bonds didn’t. Guys like Big Mac and Canseco did. It is pretty obvious.
Oh, amphetamines are definitely more beneficial. Instant results, gets the cardiovascular system going like nothing else. Fights off fatigue. Nothing like it for instant physical performance.
“”"I’ve read where Hank Aaron admitted taking amphetamines during games. Should his HR mark have a huge asterisk?”"”
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Cheating is acceptable to you?
Babe Ruth ate performance enhancing hot dogs and drank performance enhancing beer
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Also likely did a bunch of actually ‘looked down upon things’ such as taking steroids, shooting horse testosterone into his ass, and more!
Old timey players tried just as much to gain an edge as modern players, they just lacked the medical advancements we do now.
lol steroids can cause a player to reach the majors who never would have sniffed it
amphetamines in no way can cause something like that to happen
“EveryoneSucksExceptSJCBDoreen”
Why must you insult me everytime you comment here?
Arod is a once every 15 years type talent. I hardly think he needed anything. He made a stupid decision and will forever be “tainted” because of it.
Helping focus and energy levels is extremely beneficial to a baseball player that plays every day in the heat of the summer. I don’t know if the edge is comparable to steroids because its tough to measure things like that buts its certainly significant.
Buster Posey is tearing it up, love watching that guy play
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He will give Heyward a run for ROY in the NL if he keeps it up. Would love it if Montero had close to the catching skills that Posey, Santana and Weiters have.
lol steroids can cause a player to reach the majors who never would have sniffed it
amphetamines in no way can cause something like that to happen
steroids can make home runs out of fly balls that should be 20 feet short of the fence
advantage = steroids
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Prove it.
For an older player, and the grind of the baseball schedule, amphetamines are far more helpful in maintaining sharpness day to day.
Sweet Swinging Cano
I know AROD is a great talent and not a steroid creation like McGuire but no one knows how long he was taking….it could be half his career…I’m not naive to believe it was just Texas. Anyway I know baseball is entertainment so I’m not the type of person that will vilify him as the worst person ever like a lot of these sports radio shock jocks do, it was a temptation many players couldn’t resist
“# Phil in Columbus July 25th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Buster Posey is tearing it up, love watching that guy play
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He will give Heyward a run for ROY in the NL if he keeps it up. Would love it if Montero had close to the catching skills that Posey, Santana and Weiters have.
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first saw him play at Florida State and I loved his energy for the game, he just did everything right…glad to see to carrying over to the Majors
I know AROD is a great talent and not a steroid creation like McGuire but no one knows how long he was taking….it could be half his career…I’m not naive to believe it was just Texas. Anyway I know baseball is entertainment so I’m not the type of person that will vilify him as the worst person ever like a lot of these sports radio shock jocks do, it was a temptation many players couldn’t resist
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A-rod hit 54 HRs in a single season after testing was implemented.
bud seligs refusal to really use instant replay is laughable.
on the ownership front Bud fails on that front also. this is a old boys sick network. Henry did not have the higest bid for the sux some other grp did but Bud and other clowns pulled a inside move for one of their buddies.
I do think on occassion we are overboard on our prospects but also many fans are the reverse. they think no porspect will ecer make it. does gardner come to mind?
on the hughes front, the guy is 24, he is a very very good pitcher give him a break clowns…is he as good as his record? no. but sky’s the limit………….
Two of the ballparks that Rodriguez (Seattle and Texas) gave him more homers than steroids did, which at most from 2001-2003 was 10%….16 homers.
You’re right nobody knows how long he took them. I think its clear his body changed when he was in Texas. He got way bulkier. In Seattle he was more leaner.
Holy crap, Betsy you’re worse in a rain-delay thread than during a game. You write rubbish, than get defensive when people call you out on it. You call it “attacking” you. In actuality, it’s called you have a really thin skin and can’t take the criticism you dish out.
You get under people’s skin to the Nth degree. Yep, you’ll tell me to STFU now. I don’t care. You need to hear this, and maybe to a greater extent read what others are saying about you. Or not, but then you’re going to continue to get the same reactions.
“”"Arod is a once every 15 years type talent. I hardly think he needed anything. He made a stupid decision and will forever be “tainted” because of it.”"”
Greed is the answer. He knows he has the talent but he is greedy. Greed for lack of a better word, is good to him. He wants to be the best of all time…hence PEDS.
MLB baseball hands are tied for blood testing of the big club players because of the dirty unions blocking the testing.
and, who is not greedy?
According to Heyman, Yanks made BIG offer for Soria.
1. Yankees: They say they want a bat for the bench and bullpen help, and that is true. But they can’t resist big-game hunting. They tried hard for Lee, are attempting to get Haren and made a big proposal for Royals closer Joakim Soria, as well.
If Alex was taking Roids as a Yankee nobody can ever prove it. Plus testing has been in and he has had a clean bill. I am disappointed he did it though. But in the end asterisks are kind of ridiculous.
Rodriguez wanted to be the best of all time, but now he’ll never even be in the conversation thanks to his dumb decision.
Did you see where Jon Weber, the ST phenom, retired just a couple days ahead of the sherriff? A lot of minor league players used, desperate to make it. The major leaguers are only the tip of the iceberg.
That hip abscess that Mantle played thru in the ’61 WS? That was the result of an “energy” shot that some quack gave him. Gaylord Perry made the HOF on the basis of getting away with an illegal pitch. Just because it was non-pharmacologic doesn’t make it any more fair. How many games were influenced by that?
Professional athletics is chock full of this sort of stuff, of players looking for any sort of edge they could get away with. Don’t make the mistake of thinking history started yesterday.
“”"A-rod hit 54 HRs in a single season after testing was implemented.”"”
Hahah..and I thought I was naive lololololololol.
Im glad Cashman is trying to get players like that. Even if he fails it is a good thing to see him trying to go all out.
“# Bret The Hitman July 25th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
According to Heyman, Yanks made BIG offer for Soria.
1. Yankees: They say they want a bat for the bench and bullpen help, and that is true. But they can’t resist big-game hunting. They tried hard for Lee, are attempting to get Haren and made a big proposal for Royals closer Joakim Soria, as well.”
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People still listen to Heyman
give amphetamines to a player nearing the end of his career
he’s beat down physically, naturally slower, achy, injured
amphetamines will not keep that player going
PEDs can
look at Bonds and Clemens
they would have been finished, not breaking single season home run records and striking people out
PEDs caused a player like Brady Anderson to steal the spotlight for a bit, hit 50 home runs when he should have maxed out 20… they caused Sosa to hit 600+ home runs when he should have had 300-400… amphetamines simply cannot make these types of impacts… that’s just rubbish…
Bret The Hitman July 25th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
According to Heyman, Yanks made BIG offer for Soria.
1. Yankees: They say they want a bat for the bench and bullpen help, and that is true. But they can’t resist big-game hunting. They tried hard for Lee, are attempting to get Haren and made a big proposal for Royals closer Joakim Soria, as well.
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I’d love it if Joakim was on the plane to Cleveland. Yesterday afternoon while he was on the mound I was picturing him in pinstripes, and it looked damn good on him. He’s got the same posture on the mound as Mariano and a similar body type. Cash, get it done.
I’m not sure amphetamines should be illegal.
How far are we going to go? Are we going to ban Red Bull and dip too?
As an embarrassed user of smokeless tobacco I can attest to the level that it will at times improve focus.
Is Nick Swisher gaining an unfair (albeit cancerous) advantage over other groggy outfielders by using it?
seattle will regret not getting montero for about 13 years. like AZ should regret passing on Cano…
smoak does not knock my socks off……
I wonder if they would have to deal Joba to get Soria? Probably.
# RJ July 25th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Bret The Hitman July 25th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
According to Heyman, Yanks made BIG offer for Soria.
1. Yankees: They say they want a bat for the bench and bullpen help, and that is true. But they can’t resist big-game hunting. They tried hard for Lee, are attempting to get Haren and made a big proposal for Royals closer Joakim Soria, as well.
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I’d love it if Joakim was on the plane to Cleveland. Yesterday afternoon while he was on the mound I was picturing him in pinstripes, and it looked damn good on him. He’s got the same posture on the mound as Mariano and a similar body type. Cash, get it done.
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Can’t believe you guys are falling for Heyman’s phony stories.
According to reports, “The Yankees are also keeping an open dialogue with Kansas City regarding Joakim Soria. Nothing is imminent but our source wouldn’t be surprised if the clubs could work out a deal in the next few days.”
and
“According to Jon Heyman of SI the Royals might be inclined to move their closer Joakim Soria for the right price. He would be the perfect solution as he has dominated AL batters in the obscurity of Kansas City. For his career he has an ERA+ of 208, 110 saves, 0.977 WHIP, and a 4/1 strikeout to walk ratio. He probably is the best closer you haven’t heard of.
Obtaining Soria won’t come easy. He is signed through 2014 to a reasonable contract with club options. His salary is still reasonable going into next year ($4 million), but the cost conscience Royals may see an opportunity to trade him for prospects which the Yankees have plenty to offer.I am not sure what Kansas City would want, but I am guessing players near major league ready would be a requirement. Could Joba Chamberlain entice them as the centerpiece of a deal? The Yankees have plenty of young arms (i.e. David Phelps, Ivan Nova) or positional prospects (David Adams) that could make a deal work for the right price.”
watching the mets and dodgers hit, is like watching paint dry
I’m home….
I hate when it rains at the beach.
And I lost two games of Scrabble today. The first one was by 1 stupid point
PEDs caused a player like Brady Anderson to steal the spotlight for a bit, hit 50 home runs when he
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Roger Maris
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One of these things is not like the others, one of these things is not the same.
Call the game already.
I would think that lots of teams would have plenty of pieces to make a deal work, if KC is willing to deal Soria.
It’s unbelievable that someone likes to take shot on A-Rod consistently.
the last thing I know Manny and Ortiz are also on the list, and no one talks about the Sux’s WS wins behind those guys.
ZachA July 25th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
According to reports, “The Yankees are also keeping an open dialogue with Kansas City regarding Joakim Soria. Nothing is imminent but our source wouldn’t be surprised if the clubs could work out a deal in the next few days.”
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Where did you get that first link?
Jerkface July 25th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
One of these things is not like the others, one of these things is not the same.
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Awwww.. Jerkface, you DO watch Sesame Street
theREALkevin July 25th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
give amphetamines to a player nearing the end of his career
he’s beat down physically, naturally slower, achy, injured
amphetamines will not keep that player going
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The Germans gave them to their shock troops in WWI to keep them going for days without sleep. The SS took them for 5 years to run their Blitzkreig to march 100 miles in 3 days. GIs brought them back after booth wars. Pilots used them to fly 15 hour missions. ask Ralph Kiner. He flew PBYs off of the US coast, looking for submarines and tiik speed.
Nobody gets more beat up and wore out than soldiers.
Macfan July 25th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
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Can’t believe you guys are falling for Heyman’s phony stories
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I’m not falling for the report so much as I’m just fantasizing what if… don’t expect it to happen, but it’d sure be nice if it did.
G-C – you’re absolutely right. It is very, very difficult to know where to draw the line. This is a question that will not have any answer, in my opinion – easy or otherwise.
If this rain delay isn’t going to end anytime soon, then my vote (not that it counts) is for the game to be declared rain-shortened, and let the teams leave town. It is getaway day, afterall.
it’s cool that one counterpoint does not kill a whole slew of original arguments
i like that
“Imminent” is the blog super secret word of the day
Everytime someone says “imminent” please scream loudly.
Thank you
it’s cool that one counterpoint does not kill a whole slew of original arguments
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Yea its why you’re losing.
Arod is a bet better than a once every 15 years talent. Which is why his decision to use “roids is kinda of sad. Not surprising, but kinda sad.
Any word on the fate of this game? Raining like a monsoon at the Jersey Shore.
If speed keeps you alert and on the field when you shouldn’t be, they are performance enhancers.
“# RJ July 25th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Macfan July 25th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
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Can’t believe you guys are falling for Heyman’s phony stories
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I’m not falling for the report so much as I’m just fantasizing what if… don’t expect it to happen, but it’d sure be nice if it did.”
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Ah, okay, to get Soria we would have to give up a ton to pry him from Kansas City, it would have to be a deal too good for them to turn down.
Which means some of the best talent in the Yankees system that will benefit Kansas City in the long run.
I wanted to say once every 25 years initially.
Freddy Coleman and that dweeb John Clayton were talking about A-rod’s legacy as he approaches #600.
I didn’t hear the conclusion, but Coleman said that there’s something about A-rod that makes it hard to wrap your arms around him. I thought that was an interesting and not entirely wrong opinion.
Yankee fans may love Alex, but sports fans in general don’t necessarily do.
But the only concern for the Yankees and this particular fan is that he produce.
Bret,
I found that on Mike Silva’s NY Baseball Digest.
http://nybaseballdigest.com/?p=27956
Interesting thoughts on the Haren trade:
“It appears that the main stumbling block in the Dan Haren negotiations is Arizona’s insistence in having the Yankees taking on the contracts of both Chris Snyder and Chad Qualls. Our main Yankees source down in Tampa informed us on Sunday that the Yanks are “holding firm” in regards to not taking on any extra salary in the deal. “Let’s see, if “Cash” made the trade, he would not only have to take on Haren’s contract, but also the extra baggage of Snyder and Qualls, plus Arizona wants Joba thrown in. I don’t know if the D-Backs are asking other clubs for as much, but I know that’s a hell of a lot to ask the Yankees to do. “I just can’t see Brian bloating the payroll, especially with Cliffy (Cliff Lee) on the radar big time this coming off season. ”The days of the Yankees acting like the Bank of New York and taking on other teams bad contracts are over.”
To an extent, so does smokeless tobacco, GB.
Is that a performance enhancer too?
I’m legitimately curious about when a line is going to be drawn in the sand vis-a-vis performancing enhancers.
The Soria story is made up unless you can provide a link.
Good for Cash if that is true.
The Mets and Dodgers are both pathetic
This is like watching your fingernail grow watching these two teams play.
Hideous teams.
# GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
The Germans gave them to their shock troops in WWI to keep them going for days without sleep. The SS took them for 5 years to run their Blitzkreig to march 100 miles in 3 days. GIs brought them back after booth wars. Pilots used them to fly 15 hour missions. ask Ralph Kiner. He flew PBYs off of the US coast, looking for submarines and tiik speed.
Nobody gets more beat up and wore out than soldiers.
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Not to turn this into a history lesson, but I’m sure you’ll remember how khat was being issued to guerrillas and even kids in Somalia during the “Blackhawk Down fiasco.”
Amphetamines have been used for a long long time.
Rain has stopped her in Jersey City…clear skies to the West…lets hope they get going in the next hour.
For anyone who was curious about the Season 4 premiere of Mad Men tonight-
Here is everything you need to know about Mad Men in less than 5 minutes.
I highly recommend
http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/07.....wish-list/
it’s laughable someone could think a substance that increases energy and focus could be a bigger advantage than something that can drastically alter literal physical development
something that can create a career where none would have been
uh, yeah, those greenies in the coffee- watch out. they will make you a hall of famer yet!
“# ZachA July 25th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
“It appears that the main stumbling block in the Dan Haren negotiations is Arizona’s insistence in having the Yankees taking on the contracts of both Chris Snyder and Chad Qualls. Our main Yankees source down in Tampa informed us on Sunday that the Yanks are “holding firm” in regards to not taking on any extra salary in the deal. “Let’s see, if “Cash” made the trade, he would not only have to take on Haren’s contract, but also the extra baggage of Snyder and Qualls, plus Arizona wants Joba thrown in. I don’t know if the D-Backs are asking other clubs for as much, but I know that’s a hell of a lot to ask the Yankees to do. “I just can’t see Brian bloating the payroll, especially with Cliffy (Cliff Lee) on the radar big time this coming off season. ”The days of the Yankees acting like the Bank of New York and taking on other teams bad contracts are over.”
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I for one am glad, bet you the Dbacks wouldn’t suggest that of the other teams they talk to.
They can keep Haren, Andy is ahead of schedule anyway.
So, Jose Molina’s uptick in HR is from drinking Red Bull?!
The chicken nuggets will be out of the oven imminently.
something that can create a career where none would have been
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Prove to me where players were altered in such a way by steroids that they had a career when they shouldn’t have? IT can’t be done. Its just your opinion, which is not proven scientifically.
Amphetamines for baseball players are a huge boost when it increases your focus, and Baseball (more than almost any other sport) requires focus to be at its limits for 162 days in the year.
I wouldn’t mind the Yanks taking on the Chad Qualls contract, but not if it also comes with Chad Qualls.
I don’t know why the Yankees wouldn’t take on Qualls or Snyder. Snyder would be a better backup this season than cervelli (and next season) and they could trade Snyder for something else.
Qualls is only on a 1 year deal anyways. With 1 year of arbitration.
Jerkface,
So what you’re saying is that this fuss over steroids and other PEDs is big to-do about nothing? People are making a big deal out of nothing?
How long has this delay been going on?
So, Jose Molina’s uptick in HR is from drinking Red Bull?!
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Jose Molina’s career high is 6.
So what you’re saying is that this fuss over steroids and other PEDs is big to-do about nothing? People are making a big deal out of nothing?
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Pretty much.
Love Mad Men, Erica. Can’t wait.
# Jerkface July 25th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
So what you’re saying is that this fuss over steroids and other PEDs is big to-do about nothing? People are making a big deal out of nothing?
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Pretty much.
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yep, I agree
My reaction if another player is caught and suspended for PED, “Haha! Sucker.”
My reaction if a yankee is caught / suspended, “Shouldn’t have gotten caught.”
Cheating in some form or another has been in baseball since its inception, when players would cut across the diamond and other things due to there being only 1 umpire, players in the deadball era hiding balls in their uniform, wiping grease on the ground to foul up baserunners, etc.
People that get outraged over it, believing themselves to be ‘purists’ or something, are morons.
RJ July 25th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Bret The Hitman July 25th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
According to Heyman, Yanks made BIG offer for Soria.
1. Yankees: They say they want a bat for the bench and bullpen help, and that is true. But they can’t resist big-game hunting. They tried hard for Lee, are attempting to get Haren and made a big proposal for Royals closer Joakim Soria, as well.
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Bet ya they would give up Joba in that one.
And by “people”, I mean the Feds, MLB, the writers, the HOF, etc.
Tarp coming off!!
I agree M completely.
How come they don’t just call this game? I mean, come on. It’s against the Royals!!!
Yankees better score more runs if this is indeed starting again.
And by “people”, I mean the Feds, MLB, the writers, the HOF, etc.
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Feds: Technically players are doing something illegal, but they shouldn’t be wasting their time on it.
MLB: There are rules in place, they should DEFINITELY enforce the rules and make it harder to cheat, but cheating itself is in every sport in the world. Diving in soccer, flopping on contact in NBA, Lebron’s travelling, players getting dirty in NFL scrums, etc.
The Writers: Sports writers are mostly morons who think they are arbiters of the game when they aren’t. I’d like to see beat writers write articles for a year without redbull / uppers
The HOF: Hypocritical idiots.
I’m not a purist or a moron.
But I was more than shocked that Alex tested positive. And the subsequently admitted to it.
People don’t take the risk and do steroids unless they have an effect.
for the people comparing amph w/ ‘roids well AROD admitted to taking primobolen which I believe is primarily an energy booster, not muscle builder
5:30 start.
You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t believe a word Jon Heyman says.
I tried to get into “Mad Men” but I never understood the big fuss about it. It’s also hard to start watching a series when a couple of seasons of story lines have already passed.
Same thing for “Breaking Bad.” That’s one I’d like to watch from the beginning.
People don’t take the risk and do steroids unless they have an effect.
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Plenty of people do plenty of things that have no real effect. Why do players where phiten necklaces? Why do they waste money on get rich quick schemes? Why do people take drugs to get hair when its obvious they don’t work?
I bow for the use of the word imminent and chicken nugget in the same sentence.
Dinner is served!
One of the things that players talk about with steroids is the mental edge they get, in that they believe they ‘need’ to be cycling to be effective.
You guys see “Get Him to the Greek”? The promoter’s girlfriend looked so familiar and I had the hardest time figuring out. Took most of the movie, but I think it’s the girl from “Mad Men”.
“Get Him to the Greek was great, btw.
GF, speed was developed in the 1890s in Germany and they gave them to their soldiers. It kept them going and when US troops discovered what they did, they took them from the POWs. Hell, we took them by the truckload in Vietnam. You pretty much had to. a nasty crash coming down, though. It pales in comparison to the stuff they take in the middle east. That’s how they get those idiots to blow themselves up.
Anytime you give your body a spike in energy, you can do some strange things. When the military instituted unannounced piss tests, though, that stopped it. Manditory court martial and for NCOs and officers, dishonorable discharge and possible jail time. Not worth that.
if AROD was a Red Sox player I don’t think his defense would be as positive on here
LOL, people think government is accountable?!
http://www.zerohedge.com/artic.....dmap-ahead
m, I’m seeing that movie tonight! No joke!
if AROD was a Red Sox player I don’t think his defense would be as positive on here
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No kidding, but the media would be on his side if that were the case.
Phiten necklaces aren’t banned.
If a player “needs” that psychological boost, just give the guy a placebo. I think you’re stretching it a bit, Jerkface.
Giuseppe Franco July 25th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
You’ll have to forgive me if I don’t believe a word Jon Heyman says.
I tried to get into “Mad Men” but I never understood the big fuss about it. It’s also hard to start watching a series when a couple of seasons of story lines have already passed.
Same thing for “Breaking Bad.” That’s one I’d like to watch from the beginning.
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I started watching Mad Men right before the start of Season 2. The previous season was on free in demand so I caught up on it. Except they took it off FOD when the second season started and I had 4 episodes left so I had to buy the DVD set. Totally worth it
Primobolan is indeed a strength builder. Lifters stack it with Testosterone or HGH. I forget the reason why but it’s one of the more expensive steroids because the side effects are not as severe as most of the others. It’s difficult to find real, genuine Primo. Most of the stuff out there is imitation. You have to be connected to get real Primobolan.
Pauldanand July 25th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
I bow for the use of the word imminent and chicken nugget in the same sentence.
Dinner is served!
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I applaud you!
Eat a nugget for me
I want to see that.
The re-starting of this game is imminent
Phiten necklaces aren’t banned.
If a player “needs” that psychological boost, just give the guy a placebo. I think you’re stretching it a bit, Jerkface.
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Phiten necklaces are not banned, but they have no discernible benefit. And yet players wear them all the time. And they PURPORT to be performance enhancing, so they should be banned. And players will take anything that ‘isn’t banned’ despite possible health risks and monetary risks.
As for a placebo? Maybe they should get that. But they might also be feeding off a specific feeling they get when shooting up.
I think you’re stretching it a bit in saying that ‘why would anyone use it if it didn’t have an effect’. There is plenty of evidence to the contrary regardless of the legality of those things.
If anything it proves that players will do ANYTHING if they think they get an edge
Enjoy, Nick!
Couple things. P. Diddy’s performance gets off to a slow start. And watch for the pink polo shirt scene.
How about #600 for Alex on his 35th birthday this Tuesday?
thanks for the info Bret
If A-Rod didn’t take steroids, he’d be a solid player. A 5-tool guy in the mold of Ryan Braun or David Wright. With steroids, however, he became a superhuman… 50+ HRs
I plan to watch the entire movie.
A 5-tool guy in the mold of Ryan Braun or David Wright. With steroids, however, he became a superhuman… 50+ HRs
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Prove it.
I think players took considerable risk because it made a discernable difference.
They’re willing to risk their reputations, their health, and take a financial hit. And getting suspended for 50 games for doing something stupid is not being a team player.
Jerkface,
Why don’t you prove that steroids doesn’t make a difference?
# GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
GF, speed was developed in the 1890s in Germany and they gave them to their soldiers. It kept them going and when US troops discovered what they did, they took them from the POWs. Hell, we took them by the truckload in Vietnam. You pretty much had to. a nasty crash coming down, though. It pales in comparison to the stuff they take in the middle east. That’s how they get those idiots to blow themselves up.
Anytime you give your body a spike in energy, you can do some strange things. When the military instituted unannounced piss tests, though, that stopped it. Manditory court martial and for NCOs and officers, dishonorable discharge and possible jail time. Not worth that.
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Interesting stuff, GB.
I’ve always been fascinated by history and the military and and enjoy reading books on that stuff. One of my favorites was “Generation Kill” by Evan Wright and was later turned into an HBO miniseries.
The book was outstanding. The miniseries was decent.
I know khat is some pretty rough stuff. Not only does it give you an energy boost but it can make people psychotic as well.
To say what affect PEDs had on A-Rod’s career is asanine.
You have no idea what you’re talking about if you think you do.
A-Rod hitting the HR now would be anti-climatic…. mostly empty stadium, rain, we’re already leading the game.
Might as well let him do it in Cleveland.
These guys knew when they took roids they were potentially giving up their shot at the HOF.
Funny. They went for the big #’s and by getting them reduced their chances for immortality.
Although baseball is a numbers game, more than any other sport, it now isn’t anymore.
A bigger clamor was made over Alex getting #500 than #600. One before and one after steroids.
Why don’t you prove that steroids doesn’t make a difference?
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I’m not against them, the onus of proof is on those who argue against them. If you want proof, I’d cite the fact that baseball players have been hitting HRs, and in large numbers, throughout major leagues history from the emergence of Babe Ruth onward.
What are those Phiten necklaces supposed to do anyways?
Primobolan is one of the most popular steroids to stack because of it’s modest, hard-to-detect size gains and its relative safety to other steroids. It can be stacked with Deca and is often used between steroid cycles for heavier anabolic steroid use. Primobolan helps maintain the gains made on heavier steroids.
Andy was a 40 HR/130 RBI guy the year before he allegedly started taking steroids in Texas
if there was no testing, Manny would still be hitting 40+ bombs a season till he was 42 instead of getting hurt every other day
And yet you point out Mantle’s outlier year.
You can’t tell people to prove the unprovable and then say you’re right.
Andy was a 40 HR/130 RBI guy…
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Now that would prove steroids aid the athlete..
Game is starting again, John Sterling is on!
At last, baseball.
See you later, guys, got to get to the grill to make dinner. Let’s go Yankees, and wrap this one up.
The only good things that can come out of such a long delay is another Yankee win and #600.
Let’s see what the stands look like, normally they’d be pretty empty after a 2-hr delay, but I betcha a lot of folks are sticking around to see if ARod can do it.
Who won the 1 millionth post contest they had here?
And yet you point out Mantle’s outlier year.
You can’t tell people to prove the unprovable and then say you’re right.
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It was Maris, and the point was: If Roger Maris, in a “clean time” (joke) was able to pull 61 Hrs out of his ass, why couldn’t Anderson get lucky and hit 51?
Put it this way, if I was to try a cycle of steroids, I’d choose Primobolan above the others and I’d stack it with HGH.
now it’s nice weather to play some baseball!
mick July 25th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Who won the 1 millionth post contest they had here?
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Uncle E
did you finish 2nd erica?
somebody test Bret!
j/k
Uncle E
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his posts have gone since….?
Time for a 2 millionth post contest?
fricking rain killing ny
mick July 25th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
did you finish 2nd erica?
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not exactly.
Uncle E’s post that won was something like “I think Erica should win”.
Pete agreed and gave us both presents
2 down
There are some interesting studies about Human Growth Hormone that indicate our body’s can produce normal amounts of HGH throughout our lives but as we get older, our body’s ability to release the HGH produced is diminished. There are scientists who believe they’ve figured a link between certain naturally occurring nutrients and the mechanisms responsible for release of HGH. Supposedly they’ve studied groups of men who have been able to boost their HGH levels by eating certain vitamins and minerals.
good job logan
Is Geico the only co. that will give Randy Johnson a job?
You can’t tell people to prove the unprovable and then say you’re right.
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Aren’t you doing the same thing though?
I am sure there is a gain made through steroid use. The thing that is impossible to know is how much gain was there? Can it be proven that steroids made someone hit 10, 20 or 30 more HRs than they would have hit?
The biggest factor in hitting a HR is bat speed. Increased muscle strength doesn’t guarantee greater speed. It can help, but in many cases increased muscle size means slower speed, less flexibility.
Add to all that there was no consistency in usage of PEDs. Some were freaks with the stuff, others dabbled.
Anyway, the game is on and this is not a discussion that could be won or lost.
999 for robbie
999 hits for robbie!!
Logan looking sharp, he had a great spring but than couldn’t throw strikes his first time up. Good to see him getting it together.
Yankees also have Royce Ring in Scranton who is having a good season and was great in Spring Training as well, wonder if he’ll get a chance at some point.
6 to 3, thanks for the pounce
Yogi,
Yeah I am. But I’m not the one who always tells people to “prove it”. That’s not a valid counterpoint imo. And Jerk does it all the time. So, it was more of a playful jab than anything.
It really is unprovable. But I think Jerkface has less a leg to stand on than the other 99% of the people who think that it’s possible that steroids has at least some effect on power.
Gardner continues to perform well, I guess he’s no fluke after all.
It really is unprovable. But I think Jerkface has less a leg to stand on than the other 99% of the people who think that it’s possible that steroids has at least some effect on power.
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It might have some effect, but as for now its unquantifiable. So why argue about players stats? A-rod’s average true Std distance for HRs is well beyond the distance of major league baseball fences.
If you tell me steroids adds 5 feet to a HR (which is what was discussed in a study trying to quantify the effect of steroids) he’d still hit 40 bombs.
Aww. I wanted that for Little Pena.
Good job by Gardner. Nice to see him break out of that mini-slump.
All good, Jerkface.
But that doesn’t change the fact that Alex took, denied taking, and finally admitted to taking steroids.
If we take what you say to be true, the only thing that proves is that Alex isn’t very smart.
great job logan
Nice outing by Logan.
As I get home and see the line on Hughes it makes me wonder if his arm is tired. He is in a tailspin right now and his ERA is now over 4.00… I do have some concern going forward with the rotation of CC, erratic AJ and injured Andy coming back. 5 innings and 2 homers for Phil isn’t good. Hopefully he can bounce back.
nice job by Logan, another of the relievers that was supposed to be DFAed by the LoHud general management team…
Logan is proving to be a boon to the Yankees! (OK, bad pun, but I couldn’t resist)
Did we trade for Greinke during the rain delay?
I just turned the game on and Hughes was pitching for KC and saw Texeira wearing a KC uniform ???
back to back multihit games for Jeter, I guess he isn’t washed up after all…
That above is a joke people.. laugh a little
MG,
Jeter is far from washed up.. he had a bit of a slump, it happens .. for some reason when jeter slumps he is washed up, but look at what he has done time and time again..
his numbers hardly reflect being washed up.
Here it comes.. I just have a feeling this is it!
P, the LoHud cognescenti have been complaining about Jeter’s decline for the past two months, don’t you know they are always correct?
arod time!
Guess I was wrong.. maybe he’ll get up one more time this game.. let’s bat around.
MG, I get frustrated with Jeter when he grounds out on the first pitch.. I want to shake him. But I refuse to respond to people hating on him.. it’s the same people that boo’d alex when he was down.. frankly, I don’t understand how you can boo anybody on your fav team.
If we take what you say to be true, the only thing that proves is that Alex isn’t very smart.
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Agreed, most athletes are not smart.
Hey as long as Arod keeps knocking in runs and getting hits, I will wait for his 600 in Timbuktu if need be.
Would be nice if he did it at the Stadium, but I now feel Arod’s redemption lies in winning than personal accomplishments, something he has said himself
Its now about success and not the numbers
here we go again
it’s nice to hear some boos toward Joba
The meeting of the MEMBER of the “The Red Sox are better than the Yankees; The Red Sox rotation is awesome; The Red Sox are going to be a problem for the Yankees; The Red Sox rotation is better than the Yankee rotation; Watch out if the Red Sox fix their problems; I don’t care that I get it wrong every year, odds have it I’ll get it right some year and then everyone will see how good the Red Sox really are” club will come to order. Since the only member is present we have a quorum.
Today’s Agenda:
1. Did Phil make his bed in his parents house before he left for the ball park?
2. Did Phil take a dump today?
3. Has Phil’s fastball velocity diminished?
4. Is he any Verlander?
5. Does Phil have any secondary pitches?
6. Does Phil have talent?
7. Does Phil have command?
8. Was my head up my butt when I whined incessantly about Phil deserving the 5th pitcher spot?
9. What’s Phil’s favorite color?
10. What’s Phil’s favorite restaurant?
11. What’s Phil’s favorite food?
12. Does Phil have a girlfriend?
13. How many times can someone say Phil without taking a breath?
14. Why does Phil have a restraining order against me?
Betsy, you’re on.
lead off walk by Joba. what else is new?
The more the Yanks pitch Joba the more his trade value goes down.
God Joba’s act is really old and tiring by now,
he has a 4 run lead and falls behind and walks Chris Getz
Are you kidding me.
That’s a disgrace he can walk the leadoff man with a 4 run lead, I would rather he throw an ephus pitch and it is knocked out of the park.
Leadoff walk to a No. 9 hitter with a a four-run lead. Classic Joba.
Are all Heymans that are presumed to write that clueless? Drag your lazy can out there and try catching a bullet off of slick gra ss, and leave the remarks to idiots like Pete A. Not your first remark like that.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
unbelieveable
Joba’s struggles are no fluke.
And they shouldn’t trade Joba because?
Gues its time for Mo to wake up from his nap.
Once again with the Fat Toad on the mound.
Mo time?
omg, Joba.
Joba!
i hope the d backs aren’t watching ..
i hope the d backs aren’t watching ..
Yo really gotta try to give up a homer to Scott Podsednik. Way to go, Joba.
fat toad looks hung over
fat toad looks hung over
And look what happens instead of a solo HR, its a 2 run HR
Get that fat piece of garbage out of the game and put Robertson in please Girardi.
No. It’s very believable. He’s been doing it all year.
He is soo bad it’s not even funny. You really have to wonder how much longer they can keep him on the roster.
Joba is in full nibbling mode now…
Joba is struggling big time!
Nice work Joba.
You didn’t through enough sliders in the dirt that nobody will swing at…
LOL @ the crowd chanting for Robertson.
joba is going to blow the game
uh – Joba…what a hot mess
Chamberlain is an absolute disgrace
Guess Girardi is waiting for him to put more men on base before he takes his fat @ss out
Man , with the way Justin is pitching i think he is very tradable…
How is Joba still the EIG?
Joba was my favorite Yankee at one point, then I realized he just doesn’t get it when it comes to pitching.. It is painful to see a guy who has so much talent, but refuses to grow into a pitcher.. He’s just a thrower who has dwindling trade value!! AS HE GIVES UP A HR TO POSEDNIK.. UNBELIEVEABLE!!!
lmao
this is the guy that Cashman made untouchable for Haren?
Hey, an out. It only took getting to a full count and giving up a walk and a HR.
I can’t believe the Yankees refuse to trade Joba for Haren. Right now there’s so much negativity and frustration surrounding him. If he flourishes in Arizona, who cares? It’s not like he’s going to haunt them pitching on a last place team in the NL West.
get this guy out of here….that’s right GF I’m whinning
I never want to see Joba Chamberlain in the 8th inning again
Piece of Trash, I don’t care if he pitches in the 6th inning but I never want to see that lard @ss in the 8th inning.
Utter Garbage, his act is beyond tiring.
# Frozen Rope July 25th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
LOL @ the crowd chanting for Robertson.
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I’m watching gameday, did the crowd really do this??
Oooo he got out his Better Meat. Oo
well is mo time
Maybe Joba’s trying to make himself untradeable by stinking up the joint.
It’s a hold!
Joba being traded is imminent.
never cared for Joba’s attitude in post game interviews and he is ultimately to blame for his poor performances but the Yankees really muffed his development big time.
The 8th inning should be Robertson’s inning no questions asked. You have to wonder why they keep rolling him out there in the 8th.
Atlest the HR by Arod at the 9 innin will be Important !
BOOOO !!… take your 6.00 ERA and go sit down Joba! to think the Yanks could have Haren for him!
Haren is gone? To the Angels?
It’s easy enough to see by his body language that Girardi is frustrated with Chamberlain’s scary performances.
Thank goodness they tacked on the 2 extra runs.
every time he pitches his value drops
So, Macfan, are you saying you really don’t like Joba? Don’t mince your words. lol
Haren traded to Angels
Haren went to the Angels according to the Ariz broadcasters. Now what:)
Joba heard that he might be part of a trade so he’s trying to muck it up. LOL!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Robertson, Robertson, Robertson, Robertson
Once again another classic Joba outing.
Now Mo has to pitch
Mo should slap him for interrupting his nap once again. It never fails.
One would think being that his name is being floated about in trade talks, that he’d come out today with something to prove….
These trade rumors have really helped Joba find his composure.
He has responded quite well to the adversity and the very real prospect that he, like Melky Cabrera before him, might not be a Yankee.
Girardi is going to get burned by joba in a big game if he keeps insisting on using him in the 8th.
Your going to see a trade for a pen arm & a bat real soon.
Dassit,
Where are you hearing that? MLBTR has Angels traded Saunders.
Joba’s value isn’t much more that his leftover lunch.
Nova and Noesi are both starting tonight for Scranton and Trenton, respectively.
RiverAveBlues The Angels have just traded Joe Saunders….somewhere http://bit.ly/aBojZ7
2 minutes ago via Echofon
“Haren traded to Angels”
Can we still send Joba to AZ? LOL!
Haren to the Angels?
This keeps getting better.
Epic fail by Cashman
“# m July 25th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Thank goodness they tacked on the 2 extra runs.”
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Gotta have your Joba PROOF before he comes in.
I’m no see Haren going anywhere. . Joe Saunders is terrible .. . I don’t buy it
Saunders for Haren is not a good trade. Saunders stinks. LOL!
M,
twitter link: http://twitter.com/VictorRojas.....9524962582
You need to check mlbtradefacts, it’s not a rumor anymore.
Joba-proofing the game is always a wise proposition.
KC doing their impression of the Bad News Bears.
what a joke ! . . haren is an angel . .and out 8th inning pitcher sucks ..
# Yank 97 July 25th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
Epic fail by Cashman
Nope.
Greinke and Soria.
by default
The Angels have acquired Dan Haren from Arizona, according to Andrew Baggarly of the Mercury News (via Twitter). Arizona will receive Patrick Corbin, Rafael Rodriguez, and a player to be named later in return.
Certainly Haren to the Angels had to be more than Saunders.
haren to the angels
Epic fail?
Without the actual facts that feels a little extreme
I need a save, PLEASE YANKEES DONT ALLOW THESE TWO RUNS TO CROSS—NEED MO
The D’backs asked for Joba but took Saunders who is terrible? LOL
Pena is a nice player but if the Yankees insist on DHing Jeter and A-Rod each once a week, they need someone who can hit a bit more. He’s great as strictly a UIF but not so much as a spot starter once/twice a week.
benshpigel RT @JeffFletcherAOL Confirmed: Dan Haren traded to Angels for Joe Saunders, Rafael Rodriguez, Patrick Corbin and PTBN. #angels #dbacks
half a minute ago via TinyTwitter
Oh well… at least we still have our 6 ERA relief pitcher and Hector Noesi.
Cash’s faith in Joba burned him
Joe Saunders and 3 minor leaguers to Zona
“# Yogi Mantle July 25th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
So, Macfan, are you saying you really don’t like Joba? Don’t mince your words. lol”
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I can’t stomach Chamberlain
Ever since he was seen drunk in Nebraska acting like his $hit don’t stink
How New Yorkers are rude and would run you over with their car
How he says Yogi Berra stop by and he always says to Yogi
“Hey Yogi what the F are you doing here again”
Joba is a punk @ss poser
Can’t stomach him.
Great news.
Now maybe we can get a bat & a reliever or a better pitcher.
can anyone hit a sac fly
See… i told you the Yankees weren’t getting Haren
we got nothing in pitching. good.
I hope Corbin and Rodriquez are good. AZ could have done better.
The Angels needed Haren badly. Weaver is their only reliable pitcher and he’s a Boras client.
Great, now we’re stuck with Joba. Ugh.
Didn’t want Haren anyway, glad to see him go somewhere else.
The Angels gave more than what was being talked about for the Yankees, but not by much. The D’Backs aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.
The Angels are desperate, they aren’t that good and are trailing in the division.
I bet the Yanks make no real trades or deals this year’s deadline.
Cash’s faith in Joba burned him========
Yup !
i guess saunders is a lot better than joba right now
Diamondbacks watch poor relief pitching by Joba and immediately pull off sleeper trade of Haren to the Angels for Joe Saunders and 3 others.
keep going, boys
we’d like to get Alex another AB here
Damn it…Fantasy Fail…
Joba is smiling secretly.
The ibb fail xD
Come on Alex!!!!!!!
Just didn’t see letting Joba keep you from making this trade if the Dbacks would have done it. Oh well, I guess it doesn’t matter now..
Good for the Angels, wish we moved Joba and got Haren. Go A-Rod.
man oh man – Alex…c’mon
lets go arod lol, nice tex!!!!!!!!
The crowd is going to boo like crazy if he doesn’t hit it out.
Welp, despite Joba’s efforts, the lead is back up.
Bases juiced for Alex. Come on Alex, you can do it. This would be a great time to go deep.
Wow…
The offense applying a second coat of that Joba-proof stuff
Come on A-Rod!
let’s do this a-rod!
2 RBI single
Joe leaving Justin for the 9?
Timmy for a Granny…Just Do It, here and not in the rat bag of Cleveland
If you’re the pitcher and you don’t want to be in the history books, just walk A-Rod and force in a run!! lol
Hopefully Haren turns into another Kazmir trade for the Angels.
I got a feelin!
if they could have had Haren for joba &……they didn’t do it they are nuts
Angels must be thinking about next year, because they are not making the playoffs this year.
What about the salary for Haren……This came out of nowhere as of last night the Angels were way on the outside of this
What a dirtbag!
No
are you kiudding me…
oh no……….
i’d like to see the Yankees dust someone for that next inning.
Please tell me he’s not hurt.
drill somebody
Ouch.
That’s poo…first guy next inning deserves to be knocked on his rump
Hopefully he is ok. Wood was way too excited for this at bat.
he just put Alex on the DL … you gotta wonder if he did it on purpose.
“# Yankee Trader July 25th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
Diamondbacks watch poor relief pitching by Joba and immediately pull off sleeper trade of Haren to the Angels for Joe Saunders and 3 others.”
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LOL, they were like we better move ahead with another deal before Cash changes his mind and agree to send Joba the Fat to us.
where was he hit?
well if he goes on the DL that increases his chances to getting 600 at home…
Frozen Rope July 25th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
i’d like to see the Yankees dust someone for that next inning.
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I normally don’t agree with that, but in this instance I am quite okay with some retribution
God, if Alex is seriously injured because of a HPB in a blowout game…
wow – just wow
arod better be ok
It looked like it hit him arm and then his hand. Double whammy. Just what we need…NOT!!!
That did not look good. I can’t tell where it hit him but they were making sure not to move his arm.
one pitch high and tight, then followed by a shot to the head?
somebody on the royals better get hit
Some of us are watching this game on GameCast. If you could please fill in the details on things like that, it’d be much appreciated.
WHERE WAS HE HIT, PLEASE?
That HBP hit him square on the knuckle area. You just gotta hope there aren’t any broken bones.
Wood is a d-bag.
Pat M’s predictions have not exactly been stellar. Now I’m worried about Hughes.
Crap. Not a good thing to see.
I can’t stand when a crappy pitcher who has no control goes up and in. Its different if you are able to pitch, but Wood had no idea where that ball was going.
Someone better end up on their @ss next inning.
guys, the Joe Saunders package is a better package than what the yankees would have given.
Elbow/Hand.
drill one, absolutely.
“i’d like to see the Yankees dust someone for that next inning.”
Wood didn’t hit him on purpose. They didn’t want him to hit a HR so they tried to go inside. It was just TOO FAR inside.
Someone needs to feel some pain for that one
I hope Alex is ok. That did not look good with Monahan holding Alex’s arm.
The Diamondbacks GM is a moron. The players he got from the Angels are terrible.
1000 hits grats Cano!
I find it incredibly suspicious that, as soon as the game got away from them, they have a meeting on the mound, and then Alex gets buzzed two times, in the same area, in the same AB. I don’t like being a conspiracy theorist, but that’s just an awful lot of coincidences.
1,000 hits for Robbie
if they score a few more….leave joba in and lets see him pluck someone
Yay, robbie — 1000th hit
congrats robbie!!!!!!!!!!
that didn’t look good at all, almost like the pitch that ended Carlos Pena’s season in 2009.
I don’t think it was on porpouse, but still you have to protect arod from being pitching inside
1000 hit for Robbie. I guess these schmucks are paying a bit for walking Jetes.
Pretty glad #Yankees gave up on Haren. A lot of mixed Tampa feelings about him being a Randy Johnson like bust in NY.
it is one thing to pitch inside…and up…and dust.
hitting someone (and the associated retribution) is the chance you take when you do that
A-Rod was hit on the forearm.
Ha. Joba stays! No Haren for us!
Yogi Mantle July 25th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
1000 hit for Robbie. I guess these schmucks are paying a bit for walking Jetes.
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As far as I am concerned right now, they aren’t paying enough
# joeman July 25th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
if they score a few more….leave joba in and lets see him pluck someone
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and he will fail
Left elbow then richochet off left forearm. Hope he’s OK.
Cano will need to trade what to retrieve his 1000th hit-Silver Slugger, MVP, Golden Glove or last years WS ring??? lol
Gene M pointing to his forearm – much better than hand or wrist! First Royal up needs to get drilled in the back regardless
“That’s poo…first guy next inning deserves to be knocked on his rump”
Lol. The sad part is I don’t think there are any Royals hitters I care to hit. Maybe Podsednik
Geno just stook his head to Girardi. Hopefully that means nothing looks broken instead of it doesn’t look good.
I really, really do not understand that deal from the Diamondbacks standpoint.
Saunders is 29 (the same age as Haren) and as far as I know is a free agent after next year.
He has a 64/45 strikeout to walk rato this year and given up 135 hits in 120 innings.
He stinks. As the centerpiece of a deal for Haren? Wow.
Its no wonder they aren’t going anywhere.
what a ply by scott p
With Haren traded .. expect the dominos to start falling.
bunch of ……. dirtbags. they pitched him with inside fastballs the past 2 days so as not to give up a hr. and in a meaningless spot, down 4 runs, the loser wood throws high and in twice and hurts a player so as not to give up a meaningless home run.
i hope joba can provide some use next inning, and fire the ball high and in at someone, and if it hits someone’s head, then so be it. drill somebody anywhere joba.
Lost, if I create a Twitter acount, will you follow me?
Good deal for Arizona.
I don’t know anything about the prospects involved but I can tell you that Joe Saunders is a more advanced pitcher right now than anyone being bandied about in the Yankee rumors. Arizona gave up way too much to get Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy and now they’re trying to restock.
From LA’s perspective, the division is well within reach against a flawed Texas team and Haren will take some of the pressure off of Piniero and Ervin Santana. If they get to the playoffs that’s a pretty good threesome to go into a short series with. Additionally, Haren’s a young pitcher under control for a few more years. My guess, getting onto a competative team will boost Haren’s season.
Anyone saying it’s going to backfire like the Kazmir trade doesn’t know thing one about baseball.
That s.o.b threw high & in twice.
Its ok to through inside, but not high & not twice.
Someone should pay for the Royals next inning.
Alex was in pain and his hand is broken I suspect.. DL, out for the season and with that the Yankee season is gone too
It doesn’t matter if it was on purpose, the appropriate thing to do is to retaliate.
For those that aren’t watching, it hit him right in the forearm, then glanced off the strap (the one he’s always adjusting) of his glove.
Normally, I am agaisnt retribution, but Yanks have to hit somebody from Royals hard so that it will be a deterant for other teams to hit A-Rod in such situations.
The Yankees need to put a very hard ball into the next Royals batters ribs. They want to play as they did, they need to take it as well. This is where a Farnsworth would come in very handy.
# JobaTipsHisCap July 25th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
# joeman July 25th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
if they score a few more….leave joba in and lets see him pluck someone
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I guess he’ll throw a strike
Posednik is playing far above his talents this weekend. He’s a pretty good player, but, not like this. hell of a catch, though.
Leave Justin for the 9 to drill some1 till they kick him out of the game, maybe that way he will get the respect from their teamates again…
I know its been said a thousand times, but bears repeating.
If a pitcher can’t “get” inside on a batter without drilling him………than they have NO business pitching inside.
Accidents happen (C.C./Carlos Pena), I get that, but everyone in both leagues pound ARod inside way too much IMO.
Lost,
Do you think Greinke is a possibility?
yep… leave Joba in…
he hits somebody..
batter charges the mound…
the dough boy gets a punch in the gut and rolls around the mound
Saunders has a 4.62 and is a #5 starter how does he headline a deal to get Haren??! Unless the other 2 prospects are real good top prospects…
there is no conspiracy. they didnt tell wood to hit alex. they told wood to bust Alex inside with fastballs and the loser has no control so he hurts our guy. maybe the loser ought to learn control before he throws inside with regularity.
CHoPh in
If Chan Ho drills someone I might actually start to like the guy.
DRILL SOMEBODY PLEASE
Geez – don’t give up a hit…hit the guy!
could they do a Oswalt trade?
Joba was never really part of a trade for Haren.. The DBacks requested him, and it was briefly considered.
“Alex was in pain and his hand is broken I suspect.. DL, out for the season and with that the Yankee season is gone too”
Are you kidding me? Talk about a worse case scenario. Why don’t we wait and see what a REAL doctor says before we start throwing our season away, shall we?
Why wasn’t Ankeil hit? There is no excuse for that. The pitchers have to show they have their players backs.
everyone knocking Saunders but the guy is a pretty nice player. made the all-star team last year and pitched well in the playoffs.
ARGH
“Joba was never really part of a trade for Haren.. The DBacks requested him, and it was briefly considered.”
And then they watched footage of him pitching and changed their minds.
It is my perception that the Yankees do not want to trade Joba and still believe in him.
Just my perception, of course.
When you get too caught up in trade rumors and start to assume you make an ass out of you and – well not me, since I don’t get caught up in trade rumors!
their RP is bad….& I know they have the best record in baseball
Park, grow a pair and hit one of these Royals. Instead he walks them. Brilliant.
Come on Park find the plate…Instead of walking the guy on 4 pitches..hit him
Posedinick up soon?
drill him
damn the potential for giving up runs…this lead is big enough (I hope)
If Mo ends up having to pitch in this game, Park should be DFA’d immediately.
“Joba was never really part of a trade for Haren.. The DBacks requested him, and it was briefly considered.”
Briefly considered by whom?
Arizona would have been better off trading for Colonel Sanders.
Northy July 25th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Alex was in pain and his hand is broken I suspect.. DL, out for the season and with that the Yankee season is gone too
oh shut up.
Chan Ho, having some fun with his WHIP numbers…
Bret:
I’d like to say yes on Greinke, but other than what I posted on twitter.. I haven’t heard anything else. In fact, I haven’t heard much of anything specific today other than deals are possible.
I’d be shocked if Greinke was traded.
Good.
Now hit somebody!
Angels get Haren.
Park fail.
“Saunders has a 4.62 and is a #5 starter how does he headline a deal to get Haren??! Unless the other 2 prospects are real good top prospects…”
The PTBN is supposed to be a Top prospect. Corbin is supposedly a pretty good prospect. Rodriguez isn’t really one at all.
oh my, just drill one aleady
damn, ‘already’
more incompetent umpiring. this is getting tiresome
I dont believe this. Instead of drilling somebody, we’re arguing a meaningless run given up.
G-C July 25th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
I really, really do not understand that deal from the Diamondbacks standpoint.
Saunders is 29 (the same age as Haren) and as far as I know is a free agent after next year.
He has a 64/45 strikeout to walk rato this year and given up 135 hits in 120 innings.
He stinks. As the centerpiece of a deal for Haren? Wow.
Its no wonder they aren?t going anywhere.
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Saunders isn’t a free agent – he’s first time arbitration elligible. He doesn’t have the upside of Joba, but unlike Chamberlain he has proven himself as a dependable starter at the Major League level.
I haven’t liked any of the deals Arizona has made lately, from giving up Scherzer and Schlereth to get Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy to this one, but I can’t argue with the fact that they got a better pitcher than the Yankees were offering.
Also, the thing to remember about Arizona is that they’re a good team having a bad year, Joe Saunders may not have Chamberlain’s potential but he also doesn’t require the growth Joba or Nova would. He can step right into the rotation.
3 of 4, and the game they lost was with the 6th starter. Have to be very happy, only like 4-5 losses for the month, with Cleveland coming up. Very pleased.
Ump lets get the game over with…Enough with these crap rules already.
This is stupid.
Imagine this was a big run?
Its a good move for the Angels. You see if he can help you get back in the race this season and if not you still have Haren for the next 2 seasons for cheaper than you could have re-signed Lackey for.
Its hard for me to say if I’m disappointed without knowing exactly what it would have taken to get him…if it were mainly Joba and a couple of B prospects then I kinda think Cashman should have done it…oh well, its not devastating…get some bullpen help and a bat and hope to goodness Arod’s hand is OK.
oh well, it’s better not hitting someone and getting him suspended.
He can’t even throw a mask straight.
I guess that’s the rule, too bad it brought in a run.
I’m sorry, but MLB needs to find a whole new set of umpires because none of these guys know what they are doing.
So he’s named Brayan because of The Godfather?
Condiments and cinema. Not Kay’s things I guess.
all right, drill.
at this point I think theyre deliberately withholding the news on a rod to make sure its on the postgame… Or I’m just really angry that he got hit still…
good time to make an error
This is like a bizarro game.
seriously, the umps are out there to get the Yanks.
texeria wants to give them a chance to hit someone
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Arizona would have been better off trading for Colonel Sanders.
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Do you have his minor league numbers too?
A mid rotation ML starter who is what he is; is still better than a 24 year old over-hyped relief pitcher who may, one day, become a starter.
That’s a ticky-tack error. That’s a rule that needs to be revised and clarified.
Is Michael Kay really rambling on about this?
@ Laura
The way Alex hold his right hand under the left as he walked off the field, and the fact that there is no bodyfat to protect you in the area he was hit tells me that something is broken
yank fielders gonna keep making errors until somebody gets drilled…
Tex with the E-3, c’mon big guy stay in front of the ball that’s little league 101
hope Alex is okay.
hope Alex is okay.
our commentators dont even seem concerned about alex.
how about you train the umps on the rules before and during the season…
“”Plenty of people do plenty of things that have no real effect. Why do players where phiten necklaces? Why do they waste money on get rich quick schemes? Why do people take drugs to get hair when its obvious they don’t work?”"”
Yeah, steroids have zero effect. Please contact Jay Leno, he needs to interview you for “man on the street” loloolololololololol
Mariners being pesky…
Can’t see the Yankees going after Jake Westbrook or Ted Lilly.
Cashman can set his sights on a bullpen arm and / or a RH bat.
Right now, the least trustworthy reliever is Chamberlain with liitle hope of his turning himself around. He is what he is.
Lost July 25th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
Bret:
I’d like to say yes on Greinke, but other than what I posted on twitter.. I haven’t heard anything else. In fact, I haven’t heard much of anything specific today other than deals are possible.
I’d be shocked if Greinke was traded.
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I’m hoping for it.
The Yankees aggressive pursuit of starters at this deadline has me worried. First Cliff Lee, then Haren.
It’s clear NYY want to add a starter.
I hope they can.
Aim big.
I never had the feeling Haren would be acquired nor have I felt their would be any big acquisition. We shall see, but I’m not counting any any rumor that’s for sure.
I figured it out-
This is a conspiracy to hit Posednick
this teams relief pitching really stinks outside of Robertson and Mo!!
walk Getz – bring up Posednick and DRILL HIM
Scarface paints such a laudatory portrait of Cubans right?
You and me, Erica
I hope that Rafael Rodriquez remembers to take his papers with him to AZ.
Good thing Park has 6 runs to work with. He is dreadful….
M’s have it loaded, no one out
even though unlikely for the other team to accept, i hope cashman offers montero for Greinke or Josh Johnson. Both, i believe, are near or at the level of Lee/Halladay.
I still don’t get why the Yankees waste time with Park instead of calling up someone like Sanchez, Nova, or even Royce Ring
Bases loaded no outs for Seattle against Boston down 2-1.
blake July 25th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Its a good move for the Angels. You see if he can help you get back in the race this season and if not you still have Haren for the next 2 seasons for cheaper than you could have re-signed Lackey for.
Its hard for me to say if I?m disappointed without knowing exactly what it would have taken to get him?if it were mainly Joba and a couple of B prospects then I kinda think Cashman should have done it?oh well, its not devastating?get some bullpen help and a bat and hope to goodness Arod?s hand is OK.
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IT’s a fantastic move for the Angels.
It gives them a frontline starter ahead of Piniero and Ervin Santana and counters the move by Texas getting Lee.
Coupled with the Callaspo trade I think LA realizes that Texas is flawed and the division is still up for grabs.
Here’s the thing I don’t get – Texas has added Lee and still wants to add more players; but they’re bankrupt and MLB is basically paying their salaries…is it any coincidence that the players Texas wants to add are the same ones (in many cases) that the Yankees want to add and MLB is okaying the moves after saying that they would not let Texas take on payroll?
“The way Alex hold his right hand under the left as he walked off the field, and the fact that there is no bodyfat to protect you in the area he was hit tells me that something is broken”
I’m still going to wait for the official report before I go into a panic.
Brandon Laird just hit his 22d homer, a solo shot.
This is the never-ending game!
3-2 Seattle
chan ho sh….doing honor to his nickname
this is a conspiracy to hit ankiel, missed him the first time in this inning…
Seems like Girardi doesn’t have a pair either. He should have told Park to plant a hard one in the ribs, yet he watches like a mary instead while Park walks batters with wimpy pitching.
Are we keeping Park as a sop to Cashman’s ego? When do we call it quits with this guy? Maybe we can send him to Scranton to room with Cashman’s other big boondoggle, Kei Igawa.
Podsednik looks so miserable, like he’s about to cry everytime
M’s take the lead…
Seattle takes lead. Still no outs.
Laura – I Bleed Blue July 25th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
“The way Alex hold his right hand under the left as he walked off the field, and the fact that there is no bodyfat to protect you in the area he was hit tells me that something is broken”
I’m still going to wait for the official report before I go into a panic.
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I agree with you
Park is just an older version of Joba. Alba needs to take his spot on the roster.
SEA 4-2!
Finally the game is over and the Yankees win. Now I just hope that Alex is ok.
this bum Chan Ho continues to stink it up, meanwhile Yankees just demoted Albaladejo. WHY?!
Yes. The 6 hour game is in the books, and if it ended with a rain delay, we wouldnt have to worry about Alex.
Thank God that’s over.
The Yankees win.
Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yank-ees Win!
DFA Chan Ho Park.. He is sooooooooo useless.. Game should’ve been over 5 batters ago!
The rules concerning thrown caps and gloves/equipment all use the word “deliberately”.
Park wasn’t that bad, he was a lot better than Chamberlain, in fact. No hard hit balls, the run scored on the stupid call on Posada and extended by Teix’ error.
By Benjamin Kabak
In the bottom of the 8th with the bases loaded, Blake Wood hit Alex Rodriguez on the left forearm with a pitch, and the Yankees’ third baseman and cleanup hitter crumpled to the ground in pain. While A-Rod walked gingerly down to first base, the Yankees had to remove him from the game for a pinch runner. Right now, he’s day-to-day with a left forearm contusion, but the diagnosis could worsen as the Yanks send him for tests. We’ll update this post as more information becomes available. · (2)
squeeze play by Bradley. 4-2.
Sux down 4-2
There will be a time come this October when the subject of The Yankee’s not getting neither Lee and Haren will be an issue……I haven’t heard anything about Haren’s contract…..The Angels were said to be looking for a stick…..So it was said were The Yanks……
Yankees aren’t going to go with a Ted Lilly or Jake Westbrook.
Haren and Lee were the only two available starters that made sense for them.
Between now and Saturday they’ll look for help in the pen and another bat and that’s it. If they can’t get through the season with Mitre, Mosley, and possibly Nova – Westbrook and Lilly with their inflated contracts and lack of ability will still be available in August.
Go get Theriot, Downs, Milledge and Hanrahan and let’s get the road on the show.
Kim is interviewing the future PR guy for the Yankees.
And Seattle has taken the lead 4-2.
Laura – I Bleed Blue July 25th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
“The way Alex hold his right hand under the left as he walked off the field, and the fact that there is no bodyfat to protect you in the area he was hit tells me that something is broken”
I’m still going to wait for the official report before I go into a panic.
yeah really, can’t take anything on this board seriously – there were idiots here last year calling CC a bust in the middle of the season.
Hi Folks,
I don’t know if any of you watched the Hall of Fame induction speeches today on MLB TV. They were great. 80-year-old umpire Doug Harvey, whose nickname is “God”, had me all teary with the end of his speech. I’ve pasted it below. Isn’t this moving, and also the perfect sentiment, describing so much about baseball, what it means, and that place called Cooperstown?
“Today, I woke up in Cooperstown. Now I know what he meant. As we all know, Cooperstown is the home of baseball. One of the many duties of the home plate umpire is to make sure that the runner touches home. Well, if you’re a true baseball fan, you need to visit Cooperstown. This is home. And you need to promise yourself that you’ll touch home before the end of the game.
“I’ll be watching to make sure you do. Thank you.”
Oh dear. The Mariners have the bases loaded with nobody out in the bottom of the 8th.
4-2, probably just temporarily.
“Park wasn’t that bad…..”
He didn’t throw enough strikes for someone pitching with a 6 run lead.
more horrible post game interviewing – she’s asking Granderson about A-Rod’s status and the ‘level of concern’? how is he supposed to know? like he’s getting updates out in center? LOL
Northy July 25th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
@ Laura
The way Alex hold his right hand under the left as he walked off the field, and the fact that there is no bodyfat to protect you in the area he was hit tells me that something is broken
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Tell me, Dr. Northy. I have a pain right back here just below my wallet. Is it serious or just from reading stupidity on sports boards?
the sox have imploded , mets 2 and 10 west coast trip, should be 1 and 11
With Ichiro at bat…
I feel like Haren has already pitched in LA. Was he with the Dodgers for a bit?
Sorry, I missed a line, that helps to understand the context of what he says at the beginning:
“Years ago, my dad told me that someday, I would wake up and realize what I had achieved. Today, I woke up in Cooperstown. Now I know what he meant. As we all know, Cooperstown is the home of baseball. One of the many duties of the home plate umpire is to make sure that the runner touches home. Well, if you’re a true baseball fan, you need to visit Cooperstown. This is home. And you need to promise yourself that you’ll touch home before the end of the game.
“I’ll be watching to make sure you do. Thank you.”
Mariners leading 4-2 bases loaded bottom 8th with ichiro up
Granderson says all the right things. Enough of the talk. It’s time for him to let his bat do the talking.
Wow, the D-Backs are retarded.
The package they took is ten times worse than our WORST offer.
A replacement level pitcher (Saunders), a minor league relief pitcher, and a prospect ranked#22 in the Angels farm system prior to the season and who projects to be a back end of the rotation starter.
That’s a whole lotta stupid.
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Northy July 25th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
@ Laura
The way Alex hold his right hand under the left as he walked off the field, and the fact that there is no bodyfat to protect you in the area he was hit tells me that something is broken
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Tell me, Dr. Northy. I have a pain right back here just below my wallet. Is it serious or just from reading stupidity on sports boards?
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While talking about stupid posts can you please tell me more about how many meaningless homeruns Brandon Laird has hit for Trenton….
Not saying I agree with Northy – but your posts aren’t exactly MENSA worthy.
Ichiro chokes, dp.
Laura-
He’s looking better. Give him time. He’s playing a solid centerfield and showing good power. He’s even having better at bats against leftys. The guy is going to be a difference maker.
This may be a time to go out and get a good hitting back up infielder like Jose Bautista. Bautista is due something like 10 million next year, why would the Jays want that? Maybe a package of Downs and Bautista for some prospects, not Montero or Romine. Bautista also provides flexibility that he can play the outfield as well.
Mike, that made me teary as well. It was beautiful.
suzuki dp fiqures, no run scored
m July 25th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
I feel like Haren has already pitched in LA. Was he with the Dodgers for a bit?
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Oakland.
i’m glad the yankees didn’t get haren.
m-
He pitched on the A’s. That’s probably what you are thinking of. He pitched in Cali but not for the Dodgers.
NESN put up the stats on Ichiro, he is having one of the worst months of his career. BA – even though partly luck – is around .220
Friday I came up with Haren as a possibility for Yanks and another thought was Myers OVER Oswalt. Just have a feeling of Myers doing better in A.L. east than Oswalt . Who knows ?
Fine . the Haren saga is over . the Yanks need to bolster the Pen. I’m so sick of Park. Joba, and Meat Tray. What a complete mess the bullpen is .
No, I know he pitched in Oakland.
Maybe the Dodgers had another tall, bearded guy.
“He’s looking better. Give him time. He’s playing a solid centerfield and showing good power. He’s even having better at bats against leftys. The guy is going to be a difference maker.”
I hope you are right, Tyler. No one wants Grandy to do well more than me. I just expected more from him by now.
# Chip July 25th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Northy July 25th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
@ Laura
The way Alex hold his right hand under the left as he walked off the field, and the fact that there is no bodyfat to protect you in the area he was hit tells me that something is broken
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Tell me, Dr. Northy. I have a pain right back here just below my wallet. Is it serious or just from reading stupidity on sports boards?
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While talking about stupid posts can you please tell me more about how many meaningless homeruns Brandon Laird has hit for Trenton….
Not saying I agree with Northy – but your posts aren’t exactly MENSA worthy.
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get off GB he knows everything
m, are you aware that Haren was already a St. Louis Cardinal?
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I hope the Yanks don’t get Bautista. Just a personal opinion. You would have to give up way too much to get him right now as he’s at the top of his value. He’s always had power but I don’t think he’s anything like he is right now. Downs is an interesting pickup but I don’t think I’d want Bautiat’s salary thrown in.
CR9 July 25th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
This may be a time to go out and get a good hitting back up infielder like Jose Bautista. Bautista is due something like 10 million next year, why would the Jays want that? Maybe a package of Downs and Bautista for some prospects, not Montero or Romine. Bautista also provides flexibility that he can play the outfield as well.
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Bautista is on a 1 year deal with 2.4 mil this year. I would pass on him; yes, his HR numbers are impressive but I have a feeling he’s in line for a ML imposed 50 games off.
Give me Theriot instead. He is a great defender all over the field.
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Saunders has a 2010 3.7M contract with performance bonuses of 25k each for 180 then 200 innings. Maybe no $$ exchanged hands.
Chip July 25th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
GreenBeret7 July 25th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Northy July 25th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
@ Laura
The way Alex hold his right hand under the left as he walked off the field, and the fact that there is no bodyfat to protect you in the area he was hit tells me that something is broken
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Tell me, Dr. Northy. I have a pain right back here just below my wallet. Is it serious or just from reading stupidity on sports boards?
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While talking about stupid posts can you please tell me more about how many meaningless homeruns Brandon Laird has hit for Trenton….
Not saying I agree with Northy – but your posts aren’t exactly MENSA worthy.
some people find status updates on minor leaguers useful and interesting, more so than stupid trade ramblings since updates from the minors is actually grounded in reality and are things that could come in to play in that if a guy ends up getting called up or in trade talk people are more informed and it won’t be the first time we hear that guy’s name or how he’s doing. don’t get what your problem is with people posting that stuff.
Nick,
Was Duncan there at the time?
Did I read here that they drafted him?
HUUUUUUUGHES is 12-3
The Angel package lacks excitement
It never fails, a Yankee leaves the game w/an injury and out come the Edgar Cayces of the intrawebs.
Ichiro hits into DP 1st to home and lazy man Figgins strikes out. still 4-2 top 9th.
Yes, Duncan was there at the time.
Can’t see this trade helping the Angels get back in the race. Their only remaining starting lefty, Kazmir, is on DL with “fatigued” left shoulder.
Texas judge in the bankruptcy court proceedings is willing to allow MLB to extend a line of credit, so the Rangers can add other players before the deadline.
Cashman is tough to figure.
Are we to believe that he failed to acquire Cliff Lee and now Danny Haren?
Or.
Has he been eyeing a secret target in stealth mode all along.
Did he purposefully lowball the GM’s of the Mariners and Angels in an attempt to push along negotiations with the GM of the team holding this coveted target?
We’ll know for sure if Cashman makes a blockbuster deal involving the key names leaked in both the Lee and Haren negotiations.
They are:
Jesus Montero
Joba Chamberlain
Eduardo Nunez
Dellin Betances
Manny Banuelos
Ian Nova
Hector Noesi
David Adams
Zachary McAllister
‘he’s fine’
Thank God!!!!!
Zack Greinke makes 13.5 mil next season. Hal covets Cliff Lee like no other, as do a lot of people.. but Greinke is next on the list..
“He’s the complete package with velocity and life on his plus-plus fastball, and an array of late breaking secondary pitches that has hitters in a tizzy trying to make contact. His curveball comes out of the hand looking like a fastball, but travels to home plate in the upper 60’s or low 70’s. His slider is nasty,,” SOURCE: http://www.baseball-intellect......ck-greinke”
You have to give up talent to get talent, and they are NOT desperate to trade him. Though, they may not want to pick up the 13mil next year..
The deal would have to be truly enticing. Hughes, Montero + maybe ?
A comparison of Hughes and 04/05 Greinke would be really cool..
Sux lose ! Now down 9 in loss column
Why would anyone think Cashman is on a secret mission? He has not added much of significance at the trade deadline in a number of years. He has been unwilling to pay the price of players required. This has been a very good year for Yankee prospects–Nova, Noesi, Brackman, Betances, Nunez, Romine, Adams, Laird etc. I do think their system will be much more highly rated next year so it may all be a good thing.
Zack Greinke makes 13.5 mil next season. Hal covets Cliff Lee like no other, as do a lot of people.. but Greinke is next on the list..
“He’s the complete package with velocity and life on his plus-plus fastball, and an array of late breaking secondary pitches that has hitters in a tizzy trying to make contact. His curveball comes out of the hand looking like a fastball, but travels to home plate in the upper 60’s or low 70’s. His slider is nasty,,” SOURCE: http://www.baseball-intellect&.....greinke”
You have to give up talent to get talent, and they are NOT desperate to trade him. Though, they may not want to pick up the 13mil next year..
The deal would have to be truly enticing. Hughes, Montero + maybe ?
A comparison of Hughes and 04/05 Greinke would be really cool..
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Not a good trade for Yanks ! No way ! Greinke yes, but not fot them.