On the road again
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 26, 2010 
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Good morning everyone. After two weeks at home, I’m sitting once again in the Delta terminal at LaGuardia waiting to make my way to Cleveland.
If anyone else is flying today, get ready for long, long lines. Pretty brutal this morning.
The Indians are not a very good team, but old friend Shelley Duncan is playing pretty well for them and it will be good to see the big guy again. It’s easily the thing I’m looking forward to most about Ohio.
Safe travels, Chad. Please post a picture of the Shelley Duncan mural that replaced LeBron’s one in downtown.
I saw a graphic that showed Duncan has the best pinch hitting batting average or something like that. .414
Safe travels Chad. Lucky you-4 days in Cleveland
Chad, be sure to find time to go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame one day and also try to head down to Canton for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. If you gotta be in Cleveland those are two very nice diversions.
Chad,
Have a safe trip…hey maybe you’ll see Lebron (oh wait).
I wouldn’t discount the Indians playing hard against the Yankees. Their team is probably out of contention but they have been playing really well lately.
Hopefully the Yankees will hold them down and win this series.
4 gmae series are tough because its hard to win 3 of 4 against any team especially on the road and a split against a team like Cleveland feels like a bad series.
Beautiful weather in Ohio today. Enjoy.
m -
First: Idina Menzel (actress) plays a character who is a glee coach for a competing school, and also the birth mother of the lead actress (whose character name escapes me right now) – Lea Michelle, who sings all the songs. The baby she is adopting belongs to Quinn, the blond cheerleader. (Never thought of myself as a Gleek, but I guess I fit the bill
).
I read the link on Greinke. It’s a good read, good story. I also went to a Mayo clinic post on SAD (social anxiety disorder). It’s simplistic to say he’d be more apt to have troubles at a party than pitching. True, he may be fine on the mound itself, but it’s any social situation where there is discomfort that can bring on the anxiety. I don’t think being subjected to the scrutiny of NY media would be helpful to him at all.
It is treated, but it never “goes away” completely. A person is always at risk for a relapse. He would be putting himself into a situation (or he would be put if he’s traded to NY without his approval) of being in exactly the types of situations that could trigger the anxiety.
I hope that if the Yankees are seriously considering trading for Greinke, a truly gifted pitcher, that they are doing some research.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/heal…..er/DS00595
Chad -
I heartily agree with 86w183 about the Rock and Roll HOF. We visited it 2 years ago with our daughters; we thought it would be a couple hours, but we spent the entire morning, had lunch and then another hour or two. We would have stayed longer, but we could continue to ignore the requests of our daughters to do something else.
We were completely transported. Our girls like music, all types, didn’t seem to share our enthusiasm over Mick Jagger’s really tiny costumes and Jim Morrison’s report cards. 
Have a safe trip.
blake -
Whenever I see a 4-game series, I immediately think “split.” And the Yankees have a few 4-game series coming up. And 2-game series. I hate them both.
It’s doubtful that Chamberlain even comprehends how poorly his appearances have been. Going forward, he needs to seek answers quickly or find himself as a member of another team.
He’s been given all the chances possible since 2007 and still hasn’t become a (pitcher).
Doreen
don’t forget w/ a 4 game series the Yankees are guaranteed to see some back of the rotation guys.
thought I was being so smart to record the game while I went to watch my husband do his Ironman tri (which went well) Then I find out there was a rain delay…oh well, i am off today and can watch the encore.
Apple byte -
They showed a closeup of Joba’s face after he gave up the HR yesterday; I think he knows only too well how he’s doing. I don’t think you can parse what he says in post game interviews. He’s trying to say nothing of consequence – cliches, if you will.
I wish the Yankees had a viable alternative so they could send Joba down to a non-pressure situation to figure it out and really work his craft without regard for the results. Although it could be argued that at this stage of his career, there is no such thing as a no-pressure situation and you can bet that even if he’s sent to the deepest depths of the system to do the work, there will be a cadre of reporters assigned to chronicle his every twist and turn.
Perhaps if Robertson can really rise to the occasion, he can be moved to the eighth inning role and Albaladejo can be given a chance to be the 7th inning pitcher.
I doubt there’s a huge market for Joba anymore, so if the Yankees are shopping him like SJ says, it means they aren’t satisfied by the responses they are getting from other teams. They probably need to deal him in the off-season, before his value drops even further.
Good morning.
FWIS, I hope we can do better than a split with the Indians.
I would like to see a little more separation between us and TB heading into their house.
Kate-
How’d he do ?
upstate kate -
I never count my chickens, as far as back end rotation guys go.
But, true, the smart money would say the Yankees should have a good shot at 3 out of 4 in Cleveland.
Glad your husband did well in his ironman. He must be very dedicated!
Doreen-
I am sorry to say it but IMO Joba is not an acceptable EIG guy, and for now I believe D-Rob is the only viable alternative.
Maybe Cash will surprise us and find someone to fill that role more adequately.
Doreen,
Agreed, good old fashioned 3 game sets are the best.
About Greinke. I think there is some merit to what you’re saying but honestly I wouldn’t let that stop me from discussing this guy (not that they are or would). Obviously KC is a far cry from NYC with regards to virtually everything, mostly fan and media pressure but he’s been around for a few years now and has been successful. I just don’t see how you can win a Cy Young in the big leagues and not have a pretty good handle on a condition like that. (not saying he’s cured but learned to manage). I guess I’m saying the reward might be higher than the risk depending on what you’d have to give up to get him.
MTU
Thanks for asking, he did great. The swim went well, he had a few issues on the bike (usually his strongest event) probably from not eating properly, and the run was fantastic. He finished in about 12 1/2 hours, which was faster than his Hawaii race 10 years ago. And all this w/ a broken rib and some back issues.
86w183 July 26th, 2010 at 7:20 am
Chad, be sure to find time to go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame one day
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Agreed. I love the Rock and Roll HOF
I’m confident in Greinke’s ability to be a big-game pitcher even though he was groomed in a small market.
The knock on CC was always that he couldn’t dominate in a high pressure situation because he was a small market pitcher in Cleveland and Milwaukee.
If you take any recent CY award winner, he can pitch anywhere, anytime.
On the flip side, guys with big city backgrounds can melt down in pressure situations.
If the talent is there, the ability to win a pivotal playoff game(s) is as well.
my concern w/ Greinke would be that he has said he doesn’t want to come to NY
upstate kate —- I’m winded from reading about it! How anyone can endure that is beyond me. My idea of a tri-athlon is a slab of ribs, quart of beans and a six pack!
Doreen, they should have tried this out sooner; now with the deadline approaching and Alby not able to be recalled for 10 days, Cashman has to make a trade for a reliever regardless. That said, it would have been hard to say whether Alby would be reliable for us down the stretch and in the post-season even if he proved effective, so I guess Cash would have tried to make a trade for a reliever anyway. Sending down Joba means, by the way, that there’s no calling him back. If the Yankees did that to fix him, it’s a long-term committment
I wouldn’t get too excited about the Grienke possibility- hasn’t he said he doesn’t want to play for New York?
Oops-kate beat me to it! LOL
and I don’t know what to think about Joba anymore. He has so much potential. I know it is hard to fix problems in the middle of a pennant race.
Kate-
I admire his fortitude.
Hope he heals up quickly.
My brother-in-law used to do the Ironman circuit in Ca. He’s retired from it now. It took an awful lot out of him.
Blake-
You know and I know that a snowball in Hell has a better chance than we do of actually getting Greinke.
But hey, I guess it doesn’t hurt to dream. Right ?
Good morning –
1. Safe travelling, Chad.
2. That suggestion for the Shelly Duncan mural sounds pretty good to me
3. The problem with David Robertson taking on the 8th inning role is that you then have no “stopper” to come in with runners on base and hold the other team right there. That’s a very important job, and DRob does it very well. That’s why Cash is looking for BP help. And I don’t mean “batting practice” help – Joba’s got that nailed down right now, unfortunately.
Hey Chad,
I had to move from CT to Ohio last year. So hear I am in Cleveland. I’ve been waiting for these games all season. Unfortunately I can only make tonight and Wednesdays games. I’m gonna be in the press box on Wed though. Maybe I’ll see ya.
Tuan
86
that sounds good to me
It’s not the games that would be the issue for Greinke. It’s the peripherals. And you can’t underestimate them.
Look at Carl Pavano. He couldn’t do it in NY and he doesn’t have a history of an anxiety disorder.
And, as upstate kate says, Greinke has stated he would not like to play in NY.
One of the treatments or coping mechanisms for SAD is to know which situations you can successfully manage and which you can’t.
If the Yankees did trade for Greinke, they would need to be prepared to help him cope with the inevitability of being under the microscope at all times.
And do you think the NY media wouldn’t be harping on his psychiatric history? Why put someone through that? On a purely humane level, Greinke doesn’t belong in NY.
Greinke talk is really just a waste of time……….he’s not coming here (and good, because I disagree with Blake in terms of how he’d cope with NY) for several reasons, #1 being the Yankees are not trading Phil Hughes and that’s where any proposal would start.
As I said last night, the Yankees are never going to be able to make any big deals – teams will always charge them a Yankee tax (not that they won’t on smaller deals, but it wouldn’t be as bad). Cash should just concentrate on trying to pick up a reliever/bench player (I guess he’s trying for Scott Downs, but I’m guessing the Jays are asking way more from the Yankees than the Sox).
Joe from Long Island-
That’s true with regard to Robertson. He actually has the more important role right now.
upstate kate July 26th, 2010 at 8:26 am
my concern w/ Greinke would be that he has said he doesn’t want to come to NY
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He made those statements when the NYY clubhouse held a far different and much worse reputation throughout the league. Guys like Gary Sheffield and Randy Johnson were here. There was lots of tension and the atmosphere was extremely corporate and rigid.
This is a new crew of guys and the reputation is now that the camaraderie is unmatched.
Swisher, CC, AJ. These guys are well liked throughout baseball.
Joe-
Since I am suffering from Post traumatic trade letdown syndrome(PTTLS) my hope is that Cash will at least find us a quality reliever to
help shore up the pen.
Betsy -
I suspect that for the right player, the Yankees are prepared for the “Yankee tax” and will pay it. But they’re not going to do it for every player out there. There’s no avoiding the Yankee tax – it’s a matter of knowing when not to give in to it.
Tex is another one. Granderson another one. Good guys are in NY and they love playing here and being Yankees.
Joe from Long Island July 26th, 2010 at 8:30 am
3. The problem with David Robertson taking on the 8th inning role is that you then have no ?stopper? to come in with runners on base and hold the other team right there. That?s a very important job, and DRob does it very well. That?s why Cash is looking for BP help. And I don?t mean ?batting practice? help ? Joba?s got that nailed down right now, unfortunately.
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Joe-I actually thought of this the other day too. I’d love to see Robertson get a shot at the 8th inning, but who do you bring in if the starter doesn’t go 7?
Interesting article on Phil and his innings limits; it’s obvious that he hates the long rest, lol.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07.....f=baseball
Lately, Hughes’s lack of command of his fastball and his cutter has led to mistakes. Girardi wondered aloud whether the extra time off Hughes had received was playing a part in his struggles, saying Hughes may need more work in between starts to stay crisp.
The Yankees would prefer not to move Hughes to the bullpen, which would help explain the innings limit. Hughes made 21 starts in 2007 and 2008 with no relief appearances, but he was used in relief much of last year.
There is a chance Hughes’s turn in the rotation could be skipped again, but it will depend on how he pitches. Hughes is at a tricky crossroads; the more innings he throws now, the greater the chance that he will miss a turn later.
“If your club wasn’t in contention, I’d shut him down in September and let him go every fifth day or sixth day,” Girardi said. “But this club expects to play for a long time, so you can’t do that. We’re doing it in a situation where you’re expected to win.”
Think positive.
Grandy with 2 Jacks yesterday.
And
Next season we get to see CL in Pinstripes (I hope).
Doreen, I don’t know about that – if I’m the Yankees, I don’t pay one ounce over what other teams are asked for. In Haren’s case, it’s clear by all accounts that they liked him – they didn’t LOVE him. Even if they loved him, I don’t think they would have agreed to the Yankee tax -esp. since they aren’t desperate (though I think they need another pitcher).
Bret -
It’s not his teammates that will be the issue. It IS the media attention. It is the ATTENTION. It is the hordes of reporters at his locker. It would be the chance of his disorder being a part of every story written about him, whether it’s positive or negative.
Sometimes it’s not the right thing and you have to pass on someone who is very talented but isn’t a good fit.
Read the link that m posted late in the post before this one. And read anything you care to on SAD. I posted a link above. It’s not simple and it doesn’t get “cured.” It gets managed.
Some leftover thoughts from the weekend:
1. Arizona’s trades over this last year don’t make any sense. You give away a pair of top young pitchers with lots of years at reasonable salaries for Ediwn Jackson and Ian Kennedy who have a combined good half season between them. And now, under a new GM, they deal Dan Haren for a 29 year old mid to back rotation starter an A ball pitcher and a reliever.
2. You won’t hear this often, but I completely agree with something SJ said over the weekend; every time Joba pitches lately he’s hurting his trade value. I don’t think he gets moved this week, but what I do think is that if the Yankees add a relief pitcher or get Aceves back Joba should spend some time in Scranton working on repeating his delivery and rebuilding his confidence. As it stands, I can’t see him on the playoff roster.
3. I don’t believe the Yankees will move on any of the other starters on the market. Lee is a premier guy and Haren is a young top starter with a reasonable contract – the other guys available don’t qualify as either – Grenkie doesn’t count – he may be available but at a cost I can’t imagine any team paying. To give you an idea, Hughes, Joba, Montero and Nunez would probably have to go to KC to even get talks starting.
4. As for what the Yankees will do, at this point I have no idea – I think there are too many teams in on Scott Downs for the Yankees to be players. Toronto knows they have the prettiest girl at the dance and they’re going to ask for a lot for him; more than any team should give up for a left handed relief pitcher who isn’t going to be a closer. I think if anything now Cashman will resolve himself to minor tweaks, no one who is really going to make an impact.
What I would like to happen probably won’t; with guys like Theriot, Milledge and Hanrahan coming in.
Bret
I didn’t realize he made those comments that long ago.
Maybe instead of Greinke or Soria from the Royals you need to set your sights a little lower like Robinson Tejeda.
Wes Helms was the hitting and fielding star for the Marlins yesterday in their comeback win over the Braves. Maybe it’ll be him for the bench?
See I’m already thinking lesser changes the last few days of July, and maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised in the end!! LOL
Doreen July 26th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Bret -
It’s not his teammates that will be the issue. It IS the media attention. It is the ATTENTION. It is the hordes of reporters at his locker. It would be the chance of his disorder being a part of every story written about him, whether it’s positive or negative.
Sometimes it’s not the right thing and you have to pass on someone who is very talented but isn’t a good fit.
Read the link that m posted late in the post before this one. And read anything you care to on SAD. I posted a link above. It’s not simple and it doesn’t get “cured.” It gets managed.
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He feels awkward in certain social situations so maybe he’s afraid to cross the dance floor and ask out that pretty girl at the prom. But when you put him out on the dance floor he’s Napoleon Dynamite.
In this analogy, the interviews are the prom and the baseball field is the dance floor.
I have been converted to the Church of Lee – I want him on this team BADLY next year, lol
I’m not sure I buy into the “Yankee” tax theory. Teams will make what they think is the best deal for them. I think we tend to overrate Yankees prospects and underrate other teams’ guys so it seems like they wanted more from the Yanks.
Hughes will be in the pen for the post-season so I think the Yanks will be okay. If Pettite can be back in two weeks and limit Mitre/Gaudin/Mosely to three or four more starts they can just sit tight. If Girardi calls I’d tell him to start Mosely Thursday.
Betsy,
The Yankees don’t have a problem doing something “big” if it makes sense.
They were willing to trade Jesus Montero for Cliff Lee. That’s “big”.
The issue isn’t a “Yankee Tax”. Its when you pay it on the right player.
They LIKED Dan Haren. They LOVED Cliff Lee.
In the end, they didn’t feel like paying tax on a player they LIKED as opposed to LOVED.
That’s just good business.
They don’t need to overhaul this team. Its far from broken.
Whatever issues they have pale in comparison with other teams in the league.
Its about making smart moves and not just moves for the sake of making moves.
If you notice, every move has a corresponding effect on the off-season and they aren’t going to do anything which limits their off-season options.
Betsy-
There’s “Yankee tax” and then there’s 40% Yankee luxury tax added to all deals that increase payroll this season.
betsy,
I said last night that I wouldn’t include Hughes in a trade for Greinke and as MTU said a snowball probably has a better chance etc than the Yanks trading for him.
I was just saying I don’t think anyone (especially people who don’t know him from Adam) can presume to know what Greinke can handle at this point in his life.
There was a Yankee Tax on this proposal 86 because they D’backs kept asking the Yankees to take back more bad contracts. In the end, they settled on a deal where only Haren’s contract was moved.
But, when you are the team with the most money, that’s how it works.
It doesn’t bother the Yankees so, it shouldn’t bother the fans.
You just take your shot and if it doesn’t work, you move onto the next deal.
That’s just the way it goes.
This is what Greinke had to say regarding NY:
“I don’t want to pitch for New York in the playoffs,” he told the people there. “I want to pitch for Kansas City in the playoffs.”
And this after signing his extension:
“[The environment] had a lot to do with [signing the extension], for sure,” said Greinke. “Now, maybe New York would bother me, but I don’t think anywhere else would bother me anymore. Even though I’m in Kansas City, I’ve gotten used to it a lot more. New York, I still might have trouble in New York. I probably would. But I think almost everyone does.”
Betsy -
That’s my point. Haren wasn’t worth a Yankee tax. Most players aren’t, but there are a few. And, as you said, thank heavens the Yankees are not operating from desperation. They are in the driver’s seat – they can walk away if a deal isn’t suitable.
Chip-
There are only a few days left for JC to be sent down w/o first having to clear waivers, and in any case, we both know the Yanks probably never even considered it. They had no one to fill his role even though he has performed poorly in it of late.
I wish they would have but I know they didn’t.
At this point JC’s value is falling faster than the stock market.
I still believe he has talent and might be able to be resurrected but I don’t think it will be this season, and it may not even be with the Yanks.
In some ways, it might be better for both parties if they went their separate ways.
I was not against including Joba in a potentail deal for Haren because of that POV.
They are not doing themselves or Joba any favors trotting him out there with his propensity to inconsistency. That isn’t doing anyone any good at all.
JMTC.
LGY,
Nice digg.
It sounds like Greinke was just being a homer.
Nothing wrong with that.
Jon Heyman is saying that the Yankees have made a “big proposal” for Soria. He doesn’t get into specifics but MLB Traderumors speculates that one of the young catchers may be involved.
Of the two I think that they would target Romine instead of Montero since they already have Billy Butler as a 1b/DH type.
Would I do it, eh, I don’t know. I worry about bringing in closers and asking them to not close (see Eric Gagne) and depending on how long Mo sticks around for you don’t know when you’re going to need the next closer.
He also says the Yankees have talked about Adam Dunn but the cost has been too high. I think by now you all know my feeling on Dunn, I would love him in pinstripes protecting Robbie each day.
One last Heyman note that is actually worth mentioning – does the unimpressive haul that Arizona got for Haren hurt teams like Houston and others trying to move starting pitchers who are either older or not as good as Haren?
Bret -
Please read about SAD. Social situations are not dances, it is any situation where you deal with people. ANY situation where you are in the public eye.
It is not a simple thing.
So if the Yankees don’t make a big trade by the deadline (ie. Greinke) and have not shipped out their top prospects like Montero, Nova, Romine, Nunez, Betances (probably forgetting somebody), and THEN sign Cliff Lee in the off season, Where does that leave the organization? I’d say pretty well stocked.
Montero would definitely headline a Greinke package. Our minor league depth matches up well with KC because they have holes all over the place, especially with their pitching staff.
My daughter has a social anxiety disorder that based on what I’ve read is quite similar to Grienke’s issues. She is successfully coping with it. Like most if not all mental illnesses/disorders, it is not curable. It is manageable.
Media sessions are not likely to bother him. Those are not social situations. He is far more likely to have an episode triggered by an idiot in a restaurant than by anything that happens in his professional life. The key thing is recognizing when a situation is headed in that direction and extricating oneself from it.
My girl moved to Brooklyn recently and is doing great. She went to the Yankees game and saw CC get his 13th win on Thursday.
And Bret -
In NY, you don’t get to the dance floor (pitcher’s mound) without have to deal with the girl (media).
How about we just tweak it.
Nunez, Downs, Marmol, Wuertz. Some possibilities. Maybe others ?
Let’s get us a reliever to help shore up the pen.
Let’s get us a RH bat.
Ross, Willingham, etc.
As SJ said. maybe we just have to think smaller now. If something bigger makes sense I’m sure Cash will make a run at it.
Chip July 26th, 2010 at 8:50 am
One last Heyman note that is actually worth mentioning – does the unimpressive haul that Arizona got for Haren hurt teams like Houston and others trying to move starting pitchers who are either older or not as good as Haren?
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When salary is taken into account, yes, Houston gets hurt particularly.
Javy Vazquez’ value actually maintains though since he’s in a walk year.
I would think that if the Astros remove Oswalt from the market, Vazquez could help us fetch quite a haul and possibly Jayson Werth.
The fact that it’s Heyman who’s “reporting” all of this Greinke/Soria talk makes me very skeptical. The next time Heyman’s right about anything will be the first time.
Shelley Duncan has always been good. He was good on the Yankees, but they never played him. I guess they didn’t want more dug out brawls. He causes a lot of problems with the way he slides into bases.
Doreen,
I should’ve been more thorough.
Greinke feels awkward talking to the girl, but he musters up just enough courage to talk to her and ask her to dance. He agrees to the interview and gives it.
Once he gets on the dance floor (pitching mound) he turns into Napolean Dynamite.
The dude can dance.
MTU –
When David Robertson struggled he was forced to earn his role back, seems to me that Joba’s been handed his job and never had to work for it. They bounced him from the rotation in part hoping it might energize him and make him work harder. I think it backfired though because Joba always felt that if he wasn’t a starter, at the very worst, he would be the heir to Mo so being sent to the pen didn’t motivate him the way the Yankees may have hoped.
86w183
I will defer to your experience with SAD. I wish your daughter the best going forward.
Bret -
Unless the Yankees get Grenkie, which I don’t see happening, I don’t think Javy goes on the market at all.
That said, the rumor was that if the Yankees had gotten Cliff Lee they were going to send Javy to Philly for Werth, so yeah, if they can come up with a front of the rotation starter I could see them revisiting those talks.
# Stultus Magnus July 26th, 2010 at 12:39 am
# Giuseppe Franco July 25th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
People need to can it with the “I don’t think Greinke could handle NY” crap.
The guy had social anxiety disorder and it has been treated. It’s not like the guy is a schizophrenic with homicidal tendences.
All the hoopla surrounding his issues from years past is completely overblown.
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That’s fairly naive.
“It’s been treated! It’s over” Like it’s a cold. You idiot.
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Am I naive?
I have over 10 years of psych experience ranging from depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, Bipolar, borderline personality, antisocial personality, post-traumatic stress disorder, etc., etc.
How about you?
That’s what I thought. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
With props to (all) Yankees that have contributed so far in this 2010 season, when somebody truly needs to deliver, it’s been Nick Swisher that’s good to see with a bat in his hands.
The work Kevin Long did with his plate approach has paid dividends.
65 games left to play ……….
Chip July 26th, 2010 at 9:03 am
Bret -
Unless the Yankees get Grenkie, which I don’t see happening, I don’t think Javy goes on the market at all.
That said, the rumor was that if the Yankees had gotten Cliff Lee they were going to send Javy to Philly for Werth, so yeah, if they can come up with a front of the rotation starter I could see them revisiting those talks.
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My thinking is, if Cashman can line up a deal of Javy for Werth then he can offer Brett Gardner as part of a package to get Greinke.
Although I’d rather have Greinke + Werth/Crawford over Lee + Gardner, there’s nothing stopping the Yankees from signing Lee to ridiculous CC type money even if they have Greinke and retain Werth or let Werth go for picks and sign Crawford.
And something else I want to get off my chest.
If we’re gonna play beach volleyball with the rest of baseball I for one am super glad that Cash has drawn a line in the sand on trading
with other teams.
It says, we aren’t gonna get fleeced any more, and if you want to make a trade we’ll be glad to meet you more than half way. But The Yankees aren’t gonna be your sap and your personal piggybank anymore.
We aren’t getting played.
It’s about time. I like it.
Another report about Texas looking to add players – this time it’s D-Lee and Jorge Cantu.
I just don’t get how MLB can justify adding payroll to a team that is bankrupt. At this point MLB is paying the majority of salaries for the Rangers.
I’m not a conspiracy guy, but the first thing that popped into my mind with Cliff Lee was that MLB allowed the deal to keep him away from the Yankees, much like 10 years ago when the Yankees were close to getting Cliff Floyd the MLB run Expos traded for him and then spun him off to Boston.
They weren’t sending Javy to Philly for Werth if they did the Lee deal. They were sending him to Philly for prospects.
They also aren’t trading Javy now. They need him.
Their chances of getting Greinke are about 1/2 of 1%.
Javy was only being traded if they got Lee.
He has a limited no trade clause, his agents (who are also my nephew’s agents) were informed of their intentions, so the info I’m giving you is 100% legit.
There is no, nor has there been a Javy for Werth deal on the table.
Bret -
Yes, he can dance for sure.
I just want to be clear that my concern here is for Greinke, what would be in his best interests. And that really is not my place. So, I’ll back off.
SJ44,
You had mentioned the asking price on Werth was too high. Is there a chance it will come down? Vazquez would be a high impact addition to their staff and their desperate for pitching.
GF-
Interesting background.
Have you found a cure for my problem yet ?
Terminal Hedonism.
SJ44 July 26th, 2010 at 9:10 am
They also aren?t trading Javy now. They need him.
Their chances of getting Greinke are about 1/2 of 1%.
Javy was only being traded if they got Lee.
He has a limited no trade clause, his agents (who are also my nephew?s agents) were informed of their intentions, so the info I?m giving you is 100% legit.
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Let’s first agree that at this point the talk of trading Javy is moot.
Having said that – I have a hard time believing that your nephew’s agents are willing to discuss such matters with you and if they are willing to share that kind of information with you then I suggest getting your nephew new agents.
I do not discuss with clients talks I’m having regarding other clients, it’s unethical and, more to the point, none of their business, much less the business of their relatives.
Just my opinion.
SJ44 July 26th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Their chances of getting Greinke are about 1/2 of 1%.
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What makes you say that? I read that he’s Hal’s favorite target, after Cliff Lee.
Is KC not high on Montero?
Do we not have the minor league arms to fill out their rotation?
Boy. There sure are a lot of Lawyers on this blog.
Maybe this is really just a legal forum in drag.
I better start watchin’ what I’m sayin’.
Using Bret’s analogy, seems Greinke needed assistance to dance in his living room (KC) so a dance floor in a club (NY) might be a whole different story.
Only Greinke would know that for sure.
Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2010 at 9:19 am
SJ44 July 26th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Their chances of getting Greinke are about 1/2 of 1%.
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What makes you say that? I read that he?s Hal?s favorite target, after Cliff Lee.
Is KC not high on Montero?
Do we not have the minor league arms to fill out their rotation?
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Bret,
I agree with SJ on this one – the chances of getting Grenkie are extremely low. It’s going to take a ton more than Jesus Montero to get talks even started. Would you be willing to deal Hughes, Montero, and two more elite level prospects for Grenkie?
Did I miss a Glee conversation????
I have been kicking myself all weekend cause I accidentally deleted the season finale off my DVR
MTU July 26th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Boy. There sure are a lot of Lawyers on this blog.
Maybe this is really just a legal forum in drag.
I better start watchin? what I?m sayin?.
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Not a lawyer – I just have a side business where I deal with clients.
I find it amusing that once again today there are Texas rumors – they are “in deep conversations” with the Marlins for Cantu (USA Today’s Bob Nightengale); they are taking a “close look” at Derrek Lee; they want another starting pitcher; they want a lefty reliever.
They seem to be one of the most active in the buying end of this year’s trade market rumors.
Not bad for being in bankruptcy.
It’s nice spending other people’s money.
SJ,
To quote Llyod Christmas ” so you’re tellin me there’s a chance”
I don’t see it happening either because KC simply doesn’t need to trade him or Soria but its fun to talk about.
Erica-
There are lot of people on here this morning who are still setting a more serious tone.
I’m glad you arrived. I was beginning to feel lonely in my role as the only other piece of “blog fluff” here this AM.
a great site for tracking each team’s odds of making the playoffs:
http://www.coolstandings.com/b.....gs.asp?i=1
**SPOILER ALERT**
looking good for NYY.
the Red Sox? Not so much.
Instead of Scott Downs – how about trying to swing this package from the Cubs:
Yankees get Ryan Theriot and Sean Marshall (LHP, 51.2 IP, 59 k, 17 BB, 1.74 ERA, Lefties hitting .203, righties hitting .187)
Cubs get: McAllister, Ramiro Pena and Adam Warren
Chip-
I’m relieved to hear that.
And for all you real Lawyer’s out there I am just kidding around (like most of the time).
MTU July 26th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Erica-
There are lot of people on here this morning who are still setting a more serious tone.
I?m glad you arrived. I was beginning to feel lonely in my role as the only other piece of ?blog fluff? here this AM.
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LOL… Looks like I arrived just in time then.
I have a bad cold though and barely slept last night. I might be a little off my game today.
I would have called in sick, but I have too much to do and its too nice outside today. I didn’t think anyone would believe me
I was always a huge Duncan fan and couldn’t be more happy for him. It was a shame there wasn’t a spot for him on the big club. Here’s to a mini 4 game slump for him though…
Chip-
Since you are into “side buisnesses”.
Would you be interested in joining me Blake, and Bret in our little backwoods buisness ?
We could use a driver.
The Yankees didn’t make any deals but this was a good 2 weeks for the marketing of the farm system
The Yankees got national press coverage and GM hits on
Joba
Nova
Nunez
Montero
Banuelos
Betances
Romine
Mccallister
Phelps
Warren
Noesi
Adams
Erica-
Even off your game you are better than most.
MTU -
Interesting, but I’m far too pretty to be comfortable doing time.
Bret
Why do you keep overlooking Greinke’s own words and feelings toward coming to NY?
He has repeatedly said that he would not want to come here and would have a problem playing in NY.
When a guy who has anxiety issues repeatedly expresses he reticence to pitching under the brightlights and scrutiny that comes with NewYork you move away from him and move on. Greinke makes it seem as if the absolute last place he wants to be is in NY pitching for the yankess.
You think it makes good business sense to trade 4 or 5 premium talents for that?
We are overflowing with top young talent. We have too many prospects NOT to make a blockbuster.
It’s funny, I can’t imagine a quiet deadline.
I think we’ve come to expect that based on recent past but this year we are superduperstocked.
People have to get out of tweak mode and start thinking big.
Cashman is hunting big game.
This deadline will be different.
Lee and Haren prove that.
Chip-
OK. Just thought I’d ask.
Bret-
No one is stopping you from dreamin’ the big dream.
Have at it.
In fact, I look forward to the entertainment.
Champ,
Here’s the full context of Greinke’s quote.
LGY July 26th, 2010 at 8:47 am
This is what Greinke had to say regarding NY:
“I don’t want to pitch for New York in the playoffs,” he told the people there. “I want to pitch for Kansas City in the playoffs.”
And this after signing his extension:
“[The environment] had a lot to do with [signing the extension], for sure,” said Greinke. “Now, maybe New York would bother me, but I don’t think anywhere else would bother me anymore. Even though I’m in Kansas City, I’ve gotten used to it a lot more. New York, I still might have trouble in New York. I probably would. But I think almost everyone does.”
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I interpret his message as one of homerism. He wants to win for the home team and believes in his franchise. He acknowledges that it’s difficult to play in NY for EVERYONE. I don’t think he’s running away from anything.
I’m with Davidoff on this one.
“Five days until the deadline, and maybe we’ll see some more big names tied to the Yankees. The next big name that actually will join them, however? Bet on Cliff Lee, this December.”
http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/.....nopaging=1
# Giuseppe Franco July 26th, 2010 at 9:05 am
# Stultus Magnus July 26th, 2010 at 12:39 am
# Giuseppe Franco July 25th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
People need to can it with the “I don’t think Greinke could handle NY” crap.
The guy had social anxiety disorder and it has been treated. It’s not like the guy is a schizophrenic with homicidal tendences.
All the hoopla surrounding his issues from years past is completely overblown.
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That’s fairly naive.
“It’s been treated! It’s over” Like it’s a cold. You idiot.
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Am I naive?
I have over 10 years of psych experience ranging from depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, Bipolar, borderline personality, antisocial personality, post-traumatic stress disorder, etc., etc.
How about you?
That’s what I thought. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
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No, I am not a freaking doctor, Giuseppe. To say that maybe the circumstances themselves might not be cause for concern with somebody who deals with social anxiety disorder is one thing, in this case, an athlete playing in NYC.
But to say that somebody with a psychological disorder is all cured just because it was treated at some point is silly. Psychological disorders are usually “treated” for your whole life.
Anyway, sorry for calling you an idiot, that was obviously uncalled for. But I certainly don’t agree with you, despite your experience.
I also don’t believe it was an accident that every name in our minor league system got a plug and national attention during the Lee and Haren negotiations.
You had names leaking all over the place.
That’s not how Cashman does business.
He ain’t sloppy.
That was planned.
You folks would know his reliability more than me, but Davidoff is saying the Yankees will not make any significant moves this week. It was behind a pay for view so I could only read the first paragraph. I agree that is is very unlikely.
Cashman is holding steadfastly to the prospects except for exceptional(Lee) circumstances. He would probably consider moving someone big for Greinke or Soria, but I don’t think he would trade enough prospects to make either move even if these guys were in the market.
It is pretty impressive how the Yankee farm system has taken a major step forward this year with very good results from a number of key players.
FYI
It’s interesting that Ca$h is now supposedly shopping Joba while at the same time his refusal to include him in deals for both Lee and Haren are the main reasons neither of those pitchers are in NY…..
Curios.
Also Ca$h has refused to trade Ivan Nova in both offers as well….
Austin-
Did you see the “Mountain Lake” photos I left for you Yesterday ?
I’m starting to think fans are suffering from post-Lee/Haren depression.
This is an incurable disorder that requires a lifetime of treatments and medication.
Trade discussions must focus on Wes Helms now, so as to ease the shock.
austinmac
The free link to Davidoff’s story is in my post at 9:40.
said Greinke. “Now, maybe New York would bother me, but I don’t think anywhere else would bother me anymore. ”
He is singling out NY as the one place he would feel least comfortable….I mean what do you want him to say….”I’d retire before I pitch in NY if they ever traded for me….”?
I would not trade 4 or 5 premium talents for a guy that I know in my heart doesn’t want to wear my uni nor represent my city no matter how talented he is.
The intangible that is needed to succeed in NY is that you 1st have to WANT to be here and do it on the big stage!
MTU–I missed the photos. When did you post them?
Pat-Thanks for the article.
86w183 July 26th, 2010 at 8:54 am
My daughter has a social anxiety disorder that based on what I’ve read is quite similar to Grienke’s issues. She is successfully coping with it. Like most if not all mental illnesses/disorders, it is not curable. It is manageable.
Media sessions are not likely to bother him. Those are not social situations. He is far more likely to have an episode triggered by an idiot in a restaurant than by anything that happens in his professional life. The key thing is recognizing when a situation is headed in that direction and extricating oneself from it.
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I have suffered with extreme social anxiety disorder coupled with depression for the past 16 years. Your description of social anxiety disorder as an episode that can be triggered and your generalized statement such as how an episode is more likely to be triggered is incorrect. There are various degrees of social anxiety disorder. With mine, I struggle in my personal and professional life every single day. If I extricated myself from every situation that caused my anxiety, I would be a hermit.
As long as we’re talking about dream scenario’s here’s mine (and yes, all of the players are, to varying degrees, available)
Yankees add:
Grenkie
Dunn
Theriot and Marshall
Milledge and Hanrahan
Yankees Subtract (from 25 man roster)
Joba Chamberlain
Ramiro Pena
Give me a 25 man of:
Jeter – SS
Swisher – RF
Tex – 1b
Alex – 3b
Cano – 2b
Dunn – DH
Posada – C
Granderson – CF
Gardner – LF
Bench: Theriot, Milledge, Thames, Cervelli
Rotation:
CC, Grenkie, Andy, Javy, AJ
Pen:
LHP: Marshall, Marte
RHP: Mariano, Hughes, Hanrahan, Robertson, Aceves
If we’re dreaming that is.
“We are overflowing with top young talent. We have too many prospects NOT to make a blockbuster.”
Easy Bret. The organization is NOT overflowing with top young talent, especially at the higher levels. None of what was offered for Haren meets anyone’s definition of high end prospects. Couple good B+ types, but not top end guys. Young man headlining the proposed Lee deal is a top end guy. Might, and I reiterate might, be 5 such guys in the Yankees system right now. Lot of depth. Perhaps as much as anyone. But the “top young talent” is a select few.
Champ,
He made those remarks when Sheffield and Randy Johnson were here instead of CC, AJ, Swish, Tex and Granderson.
NYY had a horrible reputation as being too uptight and no fun.
It’s the opposite now.
Guys who join the team remark on how much camaraderie is in the clubhouse. Just ask Jerry Hairston.
How many teams has Hairston played for? 5? 10?
Chip,
Believe it or not, I’m perfectly capable of discerning what I can repeat publicly and what I can’t.
As Pat M will tell you, I post 1% of what I know on here and 0% of things that are not for public consumption.
The Vazquez “news” isn’t exactly secret since everybody involved knows about it and are cool with it.
SJ44 July 26th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Chip,
Believe it or not, I?m perfectly capable of discerning what I can repeat publicly and what I can?t.
As Pat M will tell you, I post 1% of what I know on here and 0% of things that are not for public consumption.
The Vazquez ?news? isn?t exactly secret since everybody involved knows about it and are cool with it.
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SJ -
My remark was not intended as a shot at you or as an indictment of your discression.
It was, however, a comment about the discression of your nephew’s agents.
As I said, I’m in a business where I deal with clients and if one of those clients was in the news and the relative of another client asked me about it I would not comment. Doing so would, as I said, be unethical and none of their business as it didn’t impact them whatsoever.
Now, if the agents were telling you (or your nephew) that the Yankees were shopping Javy and one of the names mentioned was that of your nephew, that would be something completely different. But your nephew is not involved with either organization.
If it were me, I would want more discreet agents representing the interests of me and my family. If they’re willing to talk about Javy with you, who knows who they’re willing to talk to your nephew about.
Bret,
I doubt you will see a “blockbuster” unless prices for the players who would be considered “blockbuster players” come down significantly.
Unless you replenish in another deal, I’m not sure they want to pull off another 4-1 deal and reduce their depth on the farm.
Aside from making a run at Lee, I’ve always thought this was a “think small” trade deadline for the Yankees this year.
Could something change? There is always a chance.
However, I believe Davidoff is correct. The next “big” name coming to NY will be Cliff Lee in December.
I would have been more broken up over Nova going than Joba.
Nova is 23 & 6’4”. He has been touching 96/97 mph lately. He could be a Wang type with more velocity a curveball and changeup.
Stultus Magnus,
I never said he was cured. I said he was treated. Two completely different things.
He’s obviously on medication for it and has managed his condition pretty well for a few years now.
Not giving this kid a chance, especially how good he is, simply because of a disorder that most people understand very little to nothing about, is what gets me chapped.
Anxiety disorders can be treated and managed just like someone dealing with depression.
Chip,
You spelled discretion wrong.
Chip,
I do much more business with them than just my nephew. We are very good friends as well.
It’s a more detailed business relationship and believe me, they are probably the most ethical people in what is a very unethical business.
Bret The Hitman July 26th, 2010 at 10:04 am
Chip,
You spelled discretion wrong.
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Eh, these things happen
Chip, the Cubs are not trading Theriot as they think that they still have a shot at winning the Central. There’s no shortage of denial here in Chicago. LOL!
All this depression talk is making me sad
As someone who was born and raised in NYC, asking someone with a history of mental issues (Greinke) to come and pitch here is ridiculous. Forget about Greinke.
I’d prefer to see the Cubs in the postseason over the White Sox.
Can’t stand that franchise or their fans.
Erica-
“All this depression talk is making me sad”
Sorry to hear of your sadness.
Did you know that poison Ivy is not contagious?
Try telling that to people when you have it though.
It’s why I skipped out on church recently when I had it.
You think I want to be treated like a leper?
People like to think they know things that they think they know.
Ya know?
GF-
White Sox vengance syndrome ?
Bret-
I got PI after a hike into a remote canyon once.
I was the only one in the group to get it.
Lucky me, huh ?
SJ -
Well if you’re comfortable with them then that’s what matters I suppose.
I just know that friends or not friends, when one client asks me about another my response is always the same “I don’t discuss you with them and I’m not discussing them with you.”
If I had a lawyer or agent who freely gave me info about another one of his clients I would be concerned about how much I could trust them to not tell someone else about me.
KC’s lineup can hit. What a pain they were. And Davis was throwing heat on Saturday no pun intended. If Grienke is comfortable in KC, they should keep him, and for the sake of their fans.
MTU July 26th, 2010 at 10:09 am
GF-
White Sox vengance syndrome ?
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Pretty much. I don’t know why, but I’ve always hated the White Sox. Always.
I had really hoped several years back that they moved to St. Petersburg.
The only thing I can say in their favor is that it’s the only place I can go see a Yankee game every year.
But that’s about it.
GF-
Everybody hates something. Why should you be any different.
ESPN shows Haren giddy about the trade and Joe Saunders teary about it.
Human faces on the biz of baseball.
Giuseppe Franco July 26th, 2010 at 10:14 am
The only thing I can say in their favor is that it?s the only place I can go see a Yankee game every year.
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Same here. That’s all they’re good for, IMO.
“As someone who was born and raised in NYC, asking someone with a history of mental issues (Greinke) to come and pitch here is ridiculous. Forget about Greinke.”
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This is the type of attitude that stops people like Greinke from seeking help.
Bret your fixation on trades (particularly when they involve getting rid of Gardner) is nothing if not consistent.
I can only feel for you now that Dejesus is out for the year. That must have been a crushing blow.
That all said, I’m taking the anti-Bret stance. I don’t think there will be a blockbuster. Lee has already been moved, and given the Yankees designs on Lee in the off-season, I doubt there is another blockbuster worthy starter on the Yankees radar.
To say the Yankees are going to make a blocbuster move for a starter is to essentially predict they’re going to trade for Greinke, which is good and fine to HOPE for, but to predict it is rather silly.
The other option is a bat, and other than Werth (which isn’t arguably an upgrade at this point), again, who are we talking about?
“Pretty much. I don?t know why, but I?ve always hated the White Sox. Always. ”
I’m the exactly opposite. I don’t mind the Sox, but I totally despise the Cubs and their fans. I have my reasons, which are too numerous to post here.
Itchy rash from poison ivy is an allergic reaction, it’s just that the vast majority of the population are all allergic to it.
I’m in the small % that isn’t.
Never got it, never will.
Yeah me!
Pat-
I don’t know why Haren is so giddy.
I guess he doesn’t realize yet that the Halos are not going to be in the playoffs this year.
Maybe, he is just thinking ahead.
MTU
SoCal is home for Haren. Mentioned that twice and the Angels history of winning once.
It is probably best people on here stop pretending they have any clue in regard to what Greinke can or can not do.
Very few on here know anything at all about social anxiety disorder.
And no one on here has any knowledge as to Greinke’s condition in particular.
I’m sorry, but it’s ridiculous.
Stuckey-
The why the heck didn’t YOU go on that hike instead of me.
You could have saved me a lot of grief.
Poison Ivy is no fun. I had it several times as a kid. Poison Oak, too.
We used to spend summers on my grandma’s farm in Missouri and we kids used to play in the brush fields and build forts.
I decided one year that I have no intention of going back because I got tired of getting sick and catching everything under the sun.
I’ve always been a city boy and I’d like to keep it that way.
Pat-
It was just a joke (sort of).
I too am immune to the effects of poison ivy.
There are some drawbacks though. I was always the kid who had to go into the woods to fetch the baseball that was hit out there. Or being sent to my grandmothers house at some ungodly hour to clear brush from her unkempt side yard.
LGY,
Right on, brother.
Now to make it clear, I think the odds of the Yanks making a deal for Greinke are about as good as me winning the Powerball.
I just don’t like when people are simply dismissed because of a condition that most people don’t understand.
GF-
For me. Like it or not. It just goes with the territory, so to speak.
“This is the type of attitude that stops people like Greinke from seeking help.”
What? That makes no sense whatsoever. The fact that he’s not a good fit for NYC doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t be taking his medication.
Tom-
Read my 10:28 post to Stuckey.
Ditto.
Bret is right about one thing, the Yanks have a lot of the same type of pitcher in the minors. They have a lot of guys that could be #3 or 4′s in a BEST case scenario, or could end up being pen arms in a worst case. For the most part, pitchers like that don’t stick with the Yankees. I would be surprised if we don’t see some type of deal that cleans a few of those guys out (Nova, Sanchez, McCallister, Warren, Noesi, Stoneburner, Phelps, etc…).
I believe Brackman, Banuelos and Betances won’t be dealt unless it’s for a true star.
“Very few on here know anything at all about social anxiety disorder.”
That’s a huge assumption on your part. You don’t know what the people on this blog know about. Maybe I’ve got mental problems. Maybe I’ve been in a mental institution. Maybe I’ve got a family member with mental issues. Maybe I’m a psychologist. You don’t know so you shouldn’t assume.
“What? That makes no sense whatsoever. The fact that he’s not a good fit for NYC doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t be taking his medication.”
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I said “seeking” help, not continuing treatment.
You have apparently permanently labeled him with a “mental issue” and determined for him that he can’t or shouldn’t do something.
That type of attitude and permanent branding stops many people with problems like that from getting help.
I’d gladly bite the bullet and go on that hike for you, MTU.
I’m sorry but I highly doubt there is a soul on this blog that knows Zack Greinke well enough to profess that he couldn’t handle NY. That doesn’t mean they will trade for him but does mean that we probably aren’t informed well enough to know what he can handle at this point in his life.
Yes Laura, many on here know what they are talking about in regard to social anxiety disorder.
This is a board full of psychologists. And even then not every psychologist has a solid working knowledge of every mental disorder/illness.
And of course having “mental problems”, or having a family member with “mental issues” qualifies you as someone to talk about every mental disorder/illness.
I don’t want to continue this conversation, because to be honest I think it is offensive especially that you keep branding Greinke with “mental problems”
“You have apparently permanently labeled him with a ?mental issue? and determined for him that he can?t or shouldn?t do something. ”
LGY, you are acting like it’s not a known fact that he’s had mental problems in the past. Maybe I’m remembering it wrong, but wasn’t he out of action for a long time because he was battling some mental issues?
If you live in NY (I’m assuming you do), you know that NY is a tough place to live and work. Asking someone who has had issues in the past to come here and play for the Yankees is IMO unreasonable. I’m not saying that he can’t pitch here. I’m saying that chances are greater than not that he wouldn’t be successful.
July 26th, 2010 at 9:51 am
Forgotten from my last post was a key part. “Media sessions are not likely to bother him, those are not social situations.” Excuse moi. Having 15 New York reporters gathered around your locker asking questions is the very definition of a social situation.
In college, I got pneumonia and didn’t realize it.
After two weeks of non-stop coughing, I broke out in hives all over.
When I got to the hosiptal, I discovered I am in a very rare percentage of people that are allergic to pneumonia.
Only I can get sick and be allergic to my disease.
MTU
You are losing credibility as an outdoorsman if you can’t tell what poison ivy looks like.
# Chip July 26th, 2010 at 10:13 am
“SJ – If I had a lawyer or agent who freely gave me info about another one of his clients I would be concerned about how much I could trust them to not tell someone else about me.”
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Chip,
Not that SJ couldn’t set you straight himself about the divulging of privileged information, but putting lawyers and sport agents in the same bag denotes a lack of knowledge regarding the former regarding the issue of privileged information.
An attorney MUST maintain clients’ confidential information before (potential client evaluations), during and after representing them. Non-adherence to pretty strict ethical guidelines WILL get you in hot water with the state’s Board of Bar Overseers, who could levy private or public reprimands depending on the case.
Can’t speak about the fiduciary duties of sports agents, but I’m sure SJ is well aware of any such ethical matters as an attorney who appears to practice in Sports Law, as well as deal in sport-related business as well.
A swell of as wells.
Ultimately KC will likely keep the homebody Greinke. I’m not sure about the .05% chance SJ gives but KC needs their franchise guy. They’re more likely to deal Soria.
But hey, if people want to shift gears and talk down to the bottom of the scrap heap….
Let’s hear those Wes Helms proposals.
Erica in NY July 26th, 2010 at 10:43 am
When I got to the hosiptal, I discovered I am in a very rare percentage of people that are allergic to pneumonia.
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I didn’t know it was possible to be allergic to pneumonia. LOL
If Cash can make just one big deal, would you prefer Greinke or Soria.
Me, I’d go with Soria, because he’d be a steady bridge to Mo, and insurance if Mo got injured. W/O Mo in the pen, you have nothing, so, getting protection at a very critical position should take 1st priority, IMO.
Our SP are going deep into the game, but, without that bridge to Mo,in a close post season game, it could be lost at that point.
Erin July 26th, 2010 at 10:53 am
I didn?t know it was possible to be allergic to pneumonia. LOL
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Me neither. LOL. Unfortunately, I learned the hard way
I was living on campus then and after a week of coughing, I went to the health center, where they basically ignored me and gave me Robitussin.
I continued coughing for a week and then broke out in hives all over the place. I went back to the health center, where they basically ignored me and gave me Robitussin and Benedryl.
The hives got worse that night and I knew something was very wrong so I went to the ER. I was sick enough to require a bed for 3 hours and oxygen. LOL
The ER Doctor told me I had pneumonia and I was shocked.
Tom-
I’m glad to hear that but you’re a little late on that one.
Maine-
I have been accused of far worse ! Welcome back. How’d the honeymoon go ?
While you were away I spotted one our firends:
http://picasaweb.google.com/cybermrb03/Bullwinkle#
Erica-
You missed your calling in life. Seinfeld has nothing on you !
“One of our friends”. Geez. With GB gone I would have though I would type better.
MTU July 26th, 2010 at 11:00 am
Erica-
You missed your calling in life. Seinfeld has nothing on you !
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Thank you
This is from Foxsports:
The Royals will listen if teams want to trade for right-hander Zack Greinke, just as they would on any player, major-league sources say.
But when clubs inquire about Greinke, the Royals respond by saying they would want two major-league-ready pitchers with top-of-the rotation potential in return.
Erica-
Well actually Erica I di make one fundamental mistake in my statement to you.
Seinfield does have one thing on you that make syou less than equivalent.
He’s a guy. Oops.
I need to proofread before I post. Sorry for the typos Erica. Hopefully you can forgive me.
Bret-
Yeah.
And I want all the gold in Fort Knox.
And expect to be at the top of Everest by noon.
MTU,
What’s funny is that this is the first trade deadline in like 5 years that sellers aren’t looking for catching prospects.
All of a sudden…
The Royals would demand Hughes I’m sure for any trade for Greinke and that’s not happeneing. They may lower their demands in the next couple years as he gets closer to free agency but they have no reason to trade him or Soria right now unless someone is willing to grossly overpay for them.
MTU July 26th, 2010 at 11:07 am
I need to proofread before I post. Sorry for the typos Erica. Hopefully you can forgive me.
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Of course.
Bret-
I guess we’ll have to accept the Wes Helms level.
MTU,
It’s a conspiracy!
What the Royals are effectively saying is that they want 2 Greinkes and 2 A prospects minimum all making no $ for 1 Greinke making 12mil.
The Royals and Drayton Moore have historically overvalued their players and asked for exorbitant packages in return so in the case of Greinke and Soria who are legit studs what do you think the requests from them will be?
Something that makes no sense to do as it would open up 2-3 more leaks on your team in an attempt to plug 1.
If the Yanks could get Soria for a package of minor leaguers that doesn’t include Jesus,Banuelos,Bettances and maybe Brackman I think they’d get the deal done. But if they have to move pieces from the major league roster like Gardner and or Velli and Joba then they’d pause and have to think hard about it.
Ca$h is obviously trying to upgrade the big club without having to trade from it by using the plethora of performing talent in the system which is the right thing to do.
2 major league ready pitchers with top of the rotation potential? It doesn’t exist.
Trade not Jesus/Romine for Soria (if you include Montero you have to get kila kaihui [not looking him up to spell his name correctly]) back in the deal and include Cervelli. Then trade Jon Ortiz to the Dbacks for Chris Snyder.
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Pitching Matchups
Cashman can’t be blamed the Cliff Lee or Dan Haren not going down. Both Seattle and Arizona GM’s were completely unreasonable in their demands and the Yankees are not in a desperation mode.
If Cashman makes no deal at all by the end of the deadline on Saturday, the team is still poised to have a successful pennant race and high end farm prospects can be used.
Let teams try to drive up prices and see how quickly Cashman becomes a non-trading partner.
NYY made their own monster when it comes to Joba. They took someone known to be an emotional guy and messed with not only his mind, but his body as well.
The whole Hughes/Joba Spring Training competition never should have happened. Why didn’t they make it clear from the beginning that Hughes would start and Joba would remain in the ‘pen?
For months, Joba had no idea what role he’d play and was subsequently improperly conditioned. Now, the only way to work this out is to keep conditioning him to be the ‘pen guy he is and hope that it works itself out in two months. The optimist in me tends to think it will.
A note on Joba Chamberlain:
I was just listening to WFAN and they were debating two issues:
1. Will Joba be on this club for the remainder of this year and next year?
2. Do you blame Joba’s performance on the way the Yankees have handled him?
I’m going to take the second issue first:
No, I do not blame the way Joba has pitched on how the Yankees have handled him. I blame the way the Yankees have handled him on the way Joba has pitched.
The Yankees probably would have prefered to keep Joba in the minors for an additional season but his minor league performance in 2007 warranted a call up; with it came the phenom tag and all the hype that went with it. I think it was inevitable that some of that went to Joba’s head.
As a starter last year he had limits, young starters all do, he handled it poorly and while he was acceptable, he wasn’t outstanding – in the playoffs he showed he was more comfortable and effective pitching relief and so the Yankees decided to use him in that role this season.
I think things just came too easily to Joba early and now that the league has adjusted he hasn’t felt the need to adjust to the league. That’s laziness in my opinion. In an ideal world I send him to the minors to give him a cold splash of water in the face, get him back to work, get him in shape and prove to him that nothing is handed out in this league.
As for whether or not he’ll be with the Yankees this season and going forward – I think his value is so low right now that trading him makes very little sense. He’s an ineffective middle reliever; what are the Yankees going to get for him? At best they’ll get someone else’s prospect who appears stalled (think Alex Gordon); at worst he is simply a part of a package that includes other spectacular prospects.
For the record – I think there’s still something left in Joba, he just needs to get his act together, grow up a little and work for it. But it is because of guys like Joba or Alex Gordon, “can’t miss” guys – that I roll my eyes when I hear people like GreenBeret talk about what great players Betances, Laird, Brackman, Bunellos, etc…are going to be when they get to the majors….and why I laughed out loud when people were crying about trading Vizciano for Javy Vazquez.
Bret, I can’t wait for the Wes Helms buzz. How will I sleep? That is, as I have said for the past week, my expectation of the type of move that will be made. It all makes me wonder why I pay as much attention as I do to the trade deadline.
MTU
Not a honeymoon. Anniversary.
We had a nice time but would have been better without all the tourists.
Maine-
You didn’t get my drift. What I really meant was that I hoped your Anniversary would “feel” like your Honeymoon.
Oh well, I guess I need to be clearer next time, Huh ?
Yeah. Privacy is sometimes hard to come by.
Bret-
It definitely is !
I am not sure I think the Yanks need to surrender their young talent for some of the folks people are asking for. Soria would be a great addition, but at what cost? Do we really need it? I think KC would be asking far too much to make it worth it otherwise why would KC trade a young guy that they have contracted for many years?
I know Joba is easy to point to as a problem, but the solution to put Hughes in the pen doesn’t make sense as he stunk last year late in the year. Right now, Hughes is struggling worse than Joba as Hughes’ ERA in his last 7 starts is over 6!
The Yanks offense is leading the league in runs and while some guys have played over their heads, the Yanks actually should be slightly better (ARod, Tex, Jeter and Granderson are all below while Gardner and Tex are the only ones playing above expectations…and one could argue this is the real Gardner and Swishers batting stance change may be the reason). I see the Yanks offense getting better.
The pitching/defense is only behind TB and Oakland and overall the only issue is the pen outside of Mariano. If Soria is not too expensive I would look at him, but I would not be going crazy for him. If Marte is expected to be OK then the need for a lefty is not great, but if he is not, then they need a lefty specialist. Logan’s control scares me and he is not much better against lefties, but he is a young guy with a plus arm.
Robertson and Logan have been better of late and while Joba has not been good, Joba is only 24 and has good stuff. Giving up on a young/cheap guy with an arm like he has is not a good idea. now if they could move him for a Soria, that is a different story.