Pregame notes: Mitre “not quite there yet”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 26, 2010 
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Sergio Mitre had pitched well this season, but Saturday’s spot start was not a good one. Joe Girardi said he took that as a sign that Mitre is not back to 100 percent following that oblique injury that cost him more than a month.
“We tried to prepare Serge to start, and I just didn’t see the crispness in his pitches,” Girardi said. “I don’t think he’s physically ready to do it. I think he could have used some more time, so we’re going to try to get him right in the bullpen.”
Instead, the Yankees will turn to Dustin Moseley for Thursday’s start. Mitre will be available out of the bullpen beginning Wednesday. The most pitches Mitre had thrown this season was 79. The fewest pitches Moseley threw in his 12 minor league starts was 75. He’s been stretched out as high as 112.
“Dustin is more built up,” Girardi said. “… We’re not exactly sure how many starts Andy is going to miss. We’ll evaluate it after every start and see what we need to do.”
• Girardi had enough confidence in Alex Rodriguez’s left forearm/hand that he made his lineup before even talking to Rodriguez this afternoon. “Hand’s good,” Rodriguez said. “Hand’s real good.”
• If the Yankees have a slim lead in the eighth inning, “I’ll probably lean toward Joba,” Girardi said. “… If it’s David Robertson’s time to come in in the seventh, I’m going to bring him in. I’m not going to hold him back.”
• Alfredo Aceves did long toss today and is scheduled to throw a bullpen this week. “We’ve had more positive news this time,” Girardi said.
• Aceves is actually ahead of Damaso Marte, Girardi said. Marte played catch at 60 feet today. There’s no time table for either pitcher to return to the bullpen.
• A small group of Cleveland writers was gathered around CC Sabathia when I finally got in from Detroit. The topic? LeBron James. What else?
• Girardi on the pursuit of No. 600: “I don’t necessarily think so much it’s the pressure of it,” Girardi said “I think it’s the daily dealing with it. They just want to get it by them. I think Alex knows he’s going to hit 600, but the fact he has to answer questions and they have to stop the game (for a new ball), it’s time consuming, and players want their time.”
INDIANS (41-57)
Michael Brantley CF
Asdrubal Cabrera SS
Shin-Soo Choo RF
Carlos Santana C
Travis Hafner DH
Jhonny Peralta 3B
Matt LaPorta 1B
Trevor Crowe LF
Jason Donald 2B
Associated Press photos of Moseley and Rodriguez
Right………and Joba yet again remains the EIG. I really don’t get it at all……..unless the Yankees are trying to shop Joba and don’t want a demotion to kill his value. Too late, though – and winning games is more important than keeping up his trade value.
The Yankees rushed Mitre in the first place – which was ridiculous. They can’t be surprised at this.
I love the picture of Alex and Tex.
Betsy-
If it were me, D-Rob and Joba would have traded places a while back.;)
I hope Alex hits it tonight so that we can move on and get away from these distractions.
OK Betsy, I get it, today is a convenient day to ignore me when you have no reply. Funny how that works.
“I love the picture of Alex and Tex.”
I’d like it better if I were in it with them.
I’m not convinced that Aceves will be back this year. His back is hurt and each time he was getting closer to a return there was a set back. I give him some credit for keeping on trying to return to help the team, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see his next set back ending in his going for the surgery he needs.
Marte is another who I kind of discount for now. Who knows, maybe he will be fresh and can help when they get to the post season.
Cleveland is still hurting over LeBron. I don’t think I’d blame LeBron for calling in sick on the days they play there.
Genuine question – when is the last time Chamberlain pitched with a slim lead, and blew it?
For those of you who were anxiously following from home… I got to the ballpark about 10 minutes after the clubhouse opened, which would have been a complete non-issue if this were any beat other than the Yankees. The first person I saw was Pete Caldera who gave me a two second recap: “You didn’t miss anything. Alex is in the lineup.”
I believe there are 13 Yankee beat writers. At some point this afternoon, I’m pretty sure each one of them told me I look like (crap). So I’ve got that going for me!
Laura – I Bleed Blue July 26th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
“I love the picture of Alex and Tex.”
I’d like it better if I were in it with them
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LOL
I’m not interested in answer you, Mick – that’s my reply.
Thanks,Chad. Pretty complete pregame. Did you copy someone else’s notes?
Blog phrase of the day “lightning in a bottle”
Yogi-
I have some knowledge of back issues and I agree about Aceves.
Not a good bet to contribute much this season.
Hmmm… I wonder if Moseley will be a mistake…
Yogi Mantle, I’m not counting on Aceves at all; if he makes it back, great, but I’m not expecting it.
Alex said something that was reported in the NY Times about how he doesn’t really like the numbered balls because it reminds the pitcher of what’s going on and he tries harder not to be the one who serves it up.
@stuckeyi
n seattle , before ASG , came in with 1-0 lead after Jav had left.
# mick July 26th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
IF they trade him, they are going to make the other team rape their farm system……….
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This is the 2nd time you have made this reference, I wonder how you’d feel if a male made it?
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Just in case anybody else missed this one, and you as well Betsy, here it is again.
mick,
You really expect Betsy to give you anything but the middle finger?
Do you ever think before you post? Ever?
Genuine question – when is the last time Chamberlain pitched with a slim lead, and blew it?
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Well he has given up at least run in 4 of his last 5 appearances. The last time he blew a small lead was in Seattle, he hasn’t gotten into a close game since that day. That was 5 appearances ago.
Great! More 8th inning Joba. More crap. I guess Joba needs to have a 10 ERA before Girardi even considers taking the stiff out of that role. I wish my boss gives me that much rope.
m
really? god forbid anyone else said that.
M, what does that mean?
He wants to nitpick things? That’s his issue…………I’m just not taking his bait?
# Betsy July 26th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
I’m not interested in answer you, Mick – that’s my reply.
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Copout
not bait, just an honest question.
Thanks Cash,
Now, here is a question I do know the answer to.
Joba Chamberlain has blown THIS MANY leads this season…?
Anyone?
Ok fine, Mick…….
I doubt I would have paid attention had a “guy” said it. That expression is used on other boards I go to…………If someone is offended by it, I apologize and I won’t use it again.
WMD July 26th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
Great! More 8th inning Joba. More crap. I guess Joba needs to have a 10 ERA before Girardi even considers taking the stiff out of that role. I wish my boss gives me that much rope.
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I though Joe G was gonna replace him with Drob yesterday after the two run HR. I think Joba’s leash is extremely short now, and G won’t hesitate to replace him in the eighth if he is ineffective which i think will happen quite frequently.
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....jQ4gtrakQJ
Um, aren’t wins more important than getting Joba going?
Chad-
Hang in there.
Days like yours are why coffee was invented!
Erica-
Screw the coffee. Let’s get Chad some green performance enhancers.
Betsy,
From my pov you don’t owe mick any kind of response no matter how many different ways he tries to get your attention.
mick,
Still going at Betsy with your passive-aggressive ways. You’re right about the word in question. I don’t know why that one doesn’t get caught in the filter. But with all the other crap you try to feed Betsy, she doesn’t owe you anything.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
“Joba-proofing a lead”
The fact that this phrase has become standard blog terminology pretty much says it all.
Cashmoney
I think that’s the whole point. If you are truly the 8th inning guy your team should have a pretty high confidence that you can bridge it to Mo. Why have Robertson babysit you and bail you butt out if you get into trouble?
Just let someone else have a taste as the EIG and move Joba into another long relieve/mop up role along with Chan No, Gaudin, Mitre, Moseley (when he’s not starting) or pretty much anyone not named Mo.
This is just like Fartsworth when he was here. A sense of dread when he comes in from the pen.
When will the powers that be finally realize that trotting Joba out there as the EIG time after time with inconsistent mechanics is dooming him to fail.
It is not going to make him better it is going to make him worse IMO.
Why not take the pressure off rather than wratcheting it up ?
Move him down in the pecking order.
I guess I just don’t get it.
M, that’s what I thought – I’m sorry I got defensive, just a bit overtired (and thank you for coming to my defense!)………
Why do you think they offered montero for soria?
If kc wanted montero + joba,joba is being driven to the airport by cashman & girardi.
MTU, I don’t get why they can’t let Joba find it in the 6th inning; at this point, Joe just sounds like a dummy
@WMD, while i agree with you , i won’t go as far as Farnsworth , i had zero confidence in that guy at all. I would not have mind to see someone else gets a crack at Joba’s role. however, the options are rather limited i can think of Drob but that’s about it. I would imaging a couple more of Joba’s blowup will definitely relegate him into less important role for the rest of the season.
As to why not ‘now’ , i don’t have that answer since i am not Joe G or anyone who can make that decision.
Remember how the Yankees would seemingly tack on runs when they saw Farnsy warming up? I kinda miss him and his goggles.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ain-072610
Does Klapisch hate Robertson?
Betsy-
I have to admit I don’t have a clue on it. They know more than we do but on the face of it it just doesn’t seem to make any sense.
Frankly, I’m baffled.
They must think that a demotion would kill Joba’s psyche…
only explanation for him to stay in the 8th after all this.
Betsy July 26th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
MTU, I don’t get why they can’t let Joba find it in the 6th inning; at this point, Joe just sounds like a dummy
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i rather see Joba going down to AAA to work on his command and control , if Joba is removed from his role.
Obviously I’m being facetious, but I find it hard to believe that Robertson doesn’t rate a mention.
Oswalt won’t waive his no-trade clause unless a team picks up his option year.
It looks like the Phillies are down to Lilly and Westbrook.
“It doesake sense, but that doesn’t make it right. Anyone know why the team is bankrupt?”
The Rangers and the larger issues around Tom Hicks are perhaps the best examples of how the sporting world became directly entangled with the financial crisis. Hicks made his money in private equity and he used many of the same approaches when he decided to start buying sports teams with disastrous consequences.
Hicks essentially borrowed enormous sums of money when debt was cheap to finance his acquisitions. He borrowed very heavily from hedge funds to buy the rangers for example. Of course he didn’t personally borrow the money or own the teams – he set up vehicles to buy the teams and he in turn owned the vehicles (or had control of them).
Using this strategy not only did Hicks buy the Texas Rangers, but he also bought the Dallas North Stars and one of the most famous soccer teams in the world – Liverpool.
Of course Hicks essentially put up only marginal dollars to buy these enormously valuable properties. He just paid for them with debt. His general strategy seams to have been this – buy the team with debt and then siphon off revenue from the team itself to pay for it’s own purchase.
But along with so many others, when the financial crisis occurred and the economy went south Hicks could no longer service the debt the way he intended. The biggest problem was with the Rangers because their revenues fell quickly and/ or the interest payments increased rapidly. Hicks Sporting Group, the entity which owned the Rangers and North Stars, defaulted on it’s debt payment in the spring after a very long and protracted series of negotiations. Hicks basically decided that he would not use his own personal money to pay off the debts of the Hicks Sporting Group/ the Rangers.
The reason why he pushed the Rangers into bankruptcy was to hasten the sale of the team to Chuck Greenberg and Nolan Ryan’s group. Hicks essentially wanted to ram the sale through because he was very short on cash. But his creditors went into a tizzy because they didn’t agree with the offer Greenburg and Ryan made. A stalemate developed and I believe that’s when MLB stepped in.
The reason why The Rangers are being allowed to spend money know is because it’s in the owner’s collective interest to make sure the Rangers are sold for as much money as possible. That keeps the average price of a team as high as possible. If the Rangers had to be stripped down and sold while they were in turmoil and stunk they franchise wouldn’t be worth nearly as much. It’s something like cities trying to keep the property values of home owners in certain areas as high as possible by buying up some foreclosed houses.
Hicks shenanigans with the Rangers pale in comparison to what he’s done with Liverpool. That situation is a complete zoo. He’s robbing that team blind. The Glazers – owners of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are doing something similar to the soccer team Manchester United, which is likely the most valuable sports team in the world.
I think Robertson is now their high leverage fireman type of guy. Joba comes in with a fresh slate. Not the toughest job in the world.
m,
So you’re theorizing that keeping Joba in his role is a way to fire up the offense?
I think it’s working!
Cashmoney-
That is not an option especially in the light of the fact that they won’t even move him down.
IMO, he isn’t going to magically find it.
I find the Yankees stance curious to say the least.
I would love to hear their thinking on this. I really would.
Joba’s psyche is more likely to be damaged by a continuing series of inconsistent games under intense scrutiny.
Take the damn pressure off. Lighten the load. Sheeet.
The Yankees are losing a ton of games because of Joba Chamberlain.
Or not.
CB,
Thanks for that. Good stuff as usual.
“The Yankees are losing a ton of games because of Joba Chamberlain.
Or not.”
The latter…
game post
CB-
As always. Good to see you back.
Here’s a theory.
The Yankees feel Chamberlain has in fact, hit rock bottom. That he’s due for a “clean” inning that will begat an upswing over the next few weeks.
And while the back of his baseball card will be ugly this year, what’s important is how he performs from here forward.
Ok, m, why would the word ‘rape’ be expected to get caught in the filter?
http://www.goldaraphael.com/wp.....erpina.jpg
Betsy –
You must be tired, just fending off all the sharp criticism you receive each day on this blog.
I read through the blog yesterday, and could not believe that the few who consider themselves to be the experts on all baseball related matters, torn into you, not to simply disagree with a point you were attempting to make, but, rather they seemed to relish in being nasty in their comments towards you.
I do understand their points concerning young pitchers taking time to develop. Normally, a pitcher takes much longer to develop than a position player. Yes, there are exceptions to every rule, and some pitchers develop quicker. Phil is in that development stage, learning his trade, and shows all the signs of being a front line starter in the future.
Perhaps your saying he needs to work on pitches, is the same as those saying he is still developing. I do understand your points, and they are valid, as they relate to Phil. At times he looks strong, and at other times he appears to be hitting that wall. He does so much better on the road, so it could be he needs to change his approach at YS, or he’s trying too hard in front of the home field crowd. Whatever is going on, I’m sure you’ll see a marked improvement next season, and the season after that.
Being that this is Phil’s first full season, I looking for him to dominate by 2013. Seems like a long way off, but not in a pitchers world, most hit their prime at 27 to 30 years of age.
Don’t let the few get under your skin, that’s why they do what they do; they enjoy insulting you and trying to humiliate you, because it makes them feel superior. Their ideas are no more valid than yours, or anyone else’s on this blog.