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Chad posted the lineup sooner than I thought! Thanks Chad!
Congratulations to today’s winners of GTLU:
Erin
justinxdance27
yankswin27
Fran the original
CT23
I won!!!
I stink
Yay! My first win ever in 3 tries!
Doreen
Good point, but once I’d like to hear him say “I sucked tonight and if I don’t get better I’m going to lose my job on this team” just to show he gets it.
Did you suggest to Chad to dine at the “Blue Point” while he is in Cleveland? I’m suggesting “Panninis Grill” for him.
Right now on MTV, CC Sabathia is on the show “When I was 17″ where celebrties talk about their lives at age 17.
SJ44,
I realize that.
But when I was explaining my rationale behind a pursuit of Soria, especially the long term benefits, you smeared me and said suggested that I’m thinking too much like a fan and not like a GM. No matter how I justified the Yankees going after him, you shot down my reasonings.
The ironic thing is now you’re projecting these very same reasonings onto the Yankees front office.
That’s cool that you can switch gears and see the thinking behind things in a different light. We all change the way we perceive baseball dealings.
However, it’s uncool to dump on and belittle fans if you initially don’t see how their point of view matches the Yankees point of view.
juan miranda is on the bench for what
juan miranda is on the bench for what
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Because Posada is DHing and he’s a better hitter.
Phil in Columbus -
I get what you’re saying and a “I really stunk today” might be refreshing to us as fans to hear. But I saw his face after he gave up the HR. I think he gets it.
I didn’t suggest Blue Point; I don’t know what his expense account is. But Chad, if you want a really, really nice restaurant, Blue Point was fantastic. Great food, good atmosphere. When we were there, it seemed like local business people met there for dinner and were having a really good time.
but you could argue miranda is better than cervilli
Miranda can’t catch.
“one major league source said Monday that the Sox have indicated some willingness to move either Manny Delcarmen or Ramon Ramirez in the right deal.”
I also may have some willingness to part with feces if the toilet gives me the right deal.
That’s an adequate comparison!
Do I have the right to declare this a Soria-free thread ?
OK. At least I tried.
jesusmonterofordh July 26th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
but you could argue miranda is better than cervilli
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Posada caught Saturday and Sunday. Girardi has said he doesn’t like to have him catch 3 days in a row.
If they’re not putting Juan Miranda in the lineup, to me that suggests that his ABs have not been good enough to justify their showcasing him as a trade piece.
Sorry for the repost but I didn’t want SJ44 missing out on my reponse to him. I actually enjoy what you have to say most of the times but think its rude how you treat some of us semi regulars on here. Again enjoy your day.
Cashman needs to go July 26th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
You wanted Cashman to trade for Josh Johnson today. A guy who is as untouchable as anybody in baseball
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And yet if there are rumors to the contrary you’ll be the first one to chime in on how the Marlins are doing the right thing blah blah blah. Miguel Cabrera was once untouchable.
The issue I have with you is you’ll say something to oppose whomever is suggesting something and you’ll say your customary “This isn’t your video game trade” or “School is out early” or “you have no idea what GM’s think” as if you’re one of them.
But then when you need to oppose someone you’ll change your stance and go on a tirade on how they don’t know how things work and you drop hints on how you have the inside information. I’d like for you once to pick ONE side of an argument or trade and stick with it. Or you can change your mind if you like, thats OK, but then stop with the “This isn’t a fantasy trade or go back to your video game trades” put downs, because it makes you look kind of dumb as well. And I’m not stalking you, but I just find it hilarious that you do this time and time again and crucify other people that don’t see it your way. How can anyone see it your way when you change your thinking constantly (and yes I have proof). I don’t dislike what you bring to the blog, except for the high and mighty talk you’re always throwing around, when you are wrong more than anyone on here – but then quickly change your argument when its convenient for you. Change your mind all you want, yes I agree that things in baseball (and life) change constantly, but try being a little more tolerant of us “dopes that don’t know anything” and realize that just like you, people may at times suggest something stupid or contradictory to your way of thinking – but like you said – this is a blog and not real life baseball – so everyone has the right and opportunity to say what they want without having to feel that the blog police will kill them for it.
Have a nice day.
MTU July 26th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Do I have the right to declare this a Soria-free thread ?
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Yes, please!!!!
From last thread:
“Streaky relievers . . . ” I just don’t see it with Soria.
Have you seen Soria’s demeanor on the mound. The guy can flat out pitch. Not overpowering. Just like Mo these days. Pinpoint control, late moving stuff.
Can the Yankees win without him? Absolutely.
Considering, however, the timing and the needs he would fill (EIG, caddy for Mo), and because he would shorten games to 7 innings, I believe Cash should go whole hog on him.
I can think of a million reasons why it would be foolish to trade Montero for Soria.
One, the argument that MONTERO WILL BE A 21 YEAR OLD DH!!! doesn’t work for me. Honestly, who cares? If he’s going to be as good as his projections show right now, he could settle in as a .300/.400/.500 type hitter in short order. There are two or three guys on the Yankees right now with the ability to do that consistently, if that. I don’t see any reason why the DH spot should be a rotating hole for aging veterans in decline. If Jeter is hitting the way he is now the only spot he is going to be able to stick is shortstop. And Alex? He’s signed for how many more years? I would dearly hope that he can play third base at the bare minimum for at least 3-4 years, given that he may not be an elite offensive player anymore in the first place.
If its a business and its all about winning, like I so consistently read from most on this blog, then you’d most certainly rather have 21 year old Jesus Montero DHing than a 38 year old Derek Jeter or a 36 year old Alex Rodriguez.
Haren’s starting tonight against the Sox.
That trade just got better.
Something to look forward to…..
4 days, 23 hours and 46 minutes until the Trade Deadline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man this Fran the Original character rocks at GTLU. How does he or she do it?
Erin-
I knew it was lost cause even as I typed it.
Have their EVER been any twenty-one year old DH’s in MLB?
Travis Hafner?
UnKnown July 26th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Man this Fran the Original character rocks at GTLU. How does he or she do it?
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I think she might be Joe Girardi
“People have opinions and they want to express them. If posada makes a bad play, people want to say that posada made a bad play. Its just what humans do.”
I guess I’m smug when I retort that “Posada made a bad play” isn’t an opinion, no more than “the sun is yellow and hot” is one. “Posada made a bad play because his footwork was off” is an opinion and insightful.
If spent the game thread expressing opinions like “Alex Rodriquez is wearing #13″, “that was the third out”, or “Nick Swisher is now batting”, I’d be regarded as something of a idiot.
But when Jorge Posada throws to the wrong base, and dozens of people type “Jorge Posada threw to the wrong base”, then I’m somehow a robot for pointing out the banality of such observations.
Okay.
Just remember to plug me in at night.
Chad
If you have a tighter expense account try Paninis Grill on Euclid. Home of the overstuffed sandwich. Cheap food and beer.
Dang it; didn’t get around to guessing GTLU.
Fran and Erin won [and I mighta copied them!!]
Mebbe next time….
Billy Butler a few years back?
A source tells Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports that Oswalt does not want to play for the Phillies.
- MLBTR
While some feel that the Yanks dangling of Montero is a reflection on the Yankees’ expected ceiling for him, I tend to disagree. I think the Yankees are sold on Montero’s abilities, but so is everyone lese for the most part. Dangling & trading are two different things! While I believe Cliff Lee is worth it to the Yankees, because he would have solidified the team in 2010 and most likely be signed as a FA too. He is an awesome pitcher.
The Yanks have some wealth at Catcher. I believe Montero’s worth to the Yankees kept the Yanks from getting Haren! But as in all things, getting something great takes something great in trade. Montero is going to be a great Catcher IMO. Average or better defensively & great hitting!
Prince Fielder????
You could give him time at DH, Catcher, and 1B. But always keep his bat in the lineup.
No Oswalt to the Phillies?
The Phillies are running out of options.
Man, how I’d love to acquire Greinke and pry Werth from them by offering Javy.
MTU July 26th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Erin-
I knew it was lost cause even as I typed it
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LOL I figured as much.
Saturday seriously can’t get here fast enough.
UnKnown,
I guess I have just learned to think like Joe Girardi
(And I am female)
I guess I?fm smug when I retort that ?gPosada made a bad play?h isn?ft an opinion, no more than ?gthe sun is yellow and hot?h is one. ?gPosada made a bad play because his footwork was off?h is an opinion and insightful.
If spent the game thread expressing opinions like ?gAlex Rodriquez is wearing #13??, ?gthat was the third out?h, or ?gNick Swisher is now batting?h, I?fd be regarded as something of a idiot.
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“Posada made a bad play” is most definitely an opinion. You’re assuming that all bad plays are created equal and everyone will know a bad play when they see one. Thats just not true. Plenty of people love a players defense, when metrics or scouts might poo poo said defense, so saying “X player is a good defender” is obviously an opinion.
“A-rod is #13″ is a statement. Its not an opinion. “Posada made a bad play” is an opinion. The play might have been bad, or neutral, or inconsequential, or good!
Your other posada example is an opinion backed up with reasoning, but its no MORE an opinion than “Posada made a bad play”.
People like to complain, for some its cathartic. I cannot believe you don’t understand the appeal in being able to complain, especially to people who share your same interest. I have almost no one in real life who follows baseball as closely as I do, so most of my baseball discussion has to take place online. If I had friends who watched the game with me I could call Posada horseblank all night long and not feel the need to post it online, but if I don’t have anyone to express this opinion to in person I might as well post it online. (not that I think Posada is anything but a hall of fame catcher with questionable defense)
Anyone out there who knows – what is Montero’s ceiling as a catcher defensively? Is he as bad (maybe wrong choice of words) defensively as Posada is right now. I’m not sure about anyone else but just like i expect AJ Burnett to have 2 or 3 wild pitches and 2 or 3 hit batters every game – I expect posada to have 2 or 3 passed balls and 1 or 2 brain farts every game. Is montero equal to what posada is right now, defensively? Because if he is, and can hit as well or better than posada then you shouldn’t be trading him for soria or anyone one else who isn’t an ace and less than 27 years old.
Stuckey is a bad poster. Is this an opinion? Or some kind of ingrained truth that we should all know?
Count me in as someone who doesn’t get the “21 year DH” thing.
First of all, he’s NEVER going to be just a “21 year old DH”.
At WORST he’ll be a “21 year old DH AND 3rd catcher”, the latter adding to his “value” and giving the team options.
IF Montero can help bring you back an ACE, or a BAT/GOOD GLOVE combo somewhere, then no one is untouchable, and you consider it.
But if Montero is going to be Cabrera 4 AB’s a night, and Romine is going to be an above average receiver and a decent catching bat, I’ll go to war with that for a decade and not think twice of it.
GTLU Update
Fran (the original) leads all participants with 20 wins!
For more details on the standings, click on my name. I have rearranged the site a little, so that all GTLU info is on the same page: calendar, rules, standings, the day’s lineup, the day’s participants and the day’s winners.
My name is Erica: Fact
If the yankees are going to need to DH A-rod and Jeter for the next 5 years then A-rod’s contract was TERRIBLE and Jeters new contract is TERRIBLE.
If we can’t find 100 games worth of ABs for Jesus Montero at DH because of A-rod/Jeter/Posada, then the yankees are in trouble.
Erin-
Actually I like talking trades. Even hypothetical ones but sometimes things go a bit too far even for me.
Once I have beaten a dead horse that 100th time even I tend to back off.
I am 7 behind Fran!!!!!!
I am never going to catch up!!!!!
Memo to Fran:
I think you should start definitely start playing Pena more. In clean up. That will win
“Anyone out there who knows – what is Montero’s ceiling as a catcher defensively? Is he as bad (maybe wrong choice of words) defensively as Posada is right now. I’m not sure about anyone else but just like i expect AJ Burnett to have 2 or 3 wild pitches and 2 or 3 hit batters every game – I expect posada to have 2 or 3 passed balls and 1 or 2 brain farts every game. Is montero equal to what posada is right now, defensively? Because if he is, and can hit as well or better than posada then you shouldn’t be trading him for soria or anyone one else who isn’t an ace and less than 27 years old.”
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You get a wide range of opinions. Some think he could be competent, some think he’d be wholly incompetent.
I’ve only seen him play once so I don’t consider myself an authority.
I will say though that Mike Piazza probably was KILLED by every scout who got a chance to watch him catch. The reason I bring it up is because his arm was at least two steps below what Montero’s is. I’d also be pretty sure that most scouts killed Piazza’s defense and lack of athleticism at every turn.
By the time his career drew to a close Mike Piazza had carved out a pretty decent career for himself.
Try Montero in RF
“I expect posada to have 2 or 3 passed balls and 1 or 2 brain farts every game.”
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Posada has had 4 passed balls all season.
He has started 42 games at catcher.
2-3 passed balls a game would be 84-126 passed balls.
I saw Montero catch in the FSL and he looked like a normal catcher. He wasn’t bulging out of the gear or anything. He even caught the balls that the pitcher threw in there.
I’m not a scout and for the most part the most glaring abilities of a catcher are throwing out runners and blocking balls in the dirt. I didn’t see any balls in the dirt so I can’t speak towards that (tho he made a sweet block in the aaa all-star game) and he had 1 chance to throw a runner out and made it.
That says catcher of the future in my book
“Try Montero in RF”
NEF-Not enough footspeed.
MTU July 26th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Erin-
Actually I like talking trades. Even hypothetical ones but sometimes things go a bit too far even for me.
Once I have beaten a dead horse that 100th time even I tend to back off
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MTU, I don’t mind trade talk up to a point, but after a while I just can’t take it anymore. LOL
LGY July 26th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
“I expect posada to have 2 or 3 passed balls and 1 or 2 brain farts every game.”
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Posada has had 4 passed balls all season.
He has started 42 games at catcher.
2-3 passed balls a game would be 84-126 passed balls
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Haha funny – I “expect” to win lotto every week, but reality then sets in and I realize i didn’t win. Expectation and reality are 2 totally different things, but in a way, also connected.
Do you have any stats on his brain farts
“Posada made a bad play” is most definitely an opinion. You’re assuming that all bad plays are created equal and everyone will know a bad play when they see one.”
It’s VERY easy to retort a non-specific example like that one, but you know as well as I during game threads are often dominated by complaint “observations”, not complain “opinions”.
You’re arguing the point with me to argue the point WITH ME, and to get your shots in (which is fine) but I think we’re both aware of this.
“I cannot believe you don’t understand the appeal in being able to complain,”
Believe it.
I’m well aware that it holds appeal to others, but I genuinely don’t relate or even understand it’s appeal.
That’s why I asked Laura. I’d very, very genuinely like someone to explain the appeal to me.
“If I had friends who watched the game with me I could call Posada horseblank all night long and not feel the need to post it online,”
See, being it at home with friends or on the internet with strangers, the appeal of that is entirely lost on me.
I’m really not kidding.
Erin/MTU-
I am about done, too, with the trade talk.
And Stuckey, perhaps you should also be against celebratory posts when a yankee player does well?? No one needs to be told “Wow A-rod hit a monster HR!!” It is quite obvious to the viewer.
Which leaves us with what to post? Fantasy trades? Discussing the current win probability at that point in the game?
“Try Montero in RF”
NEF-Not enough footspeed.
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How is Montero’s footspeed versus that of Eric Hinske who is playing the outfield regularly at a very large park in Atlanta?
See, being it at home with friends or on the internet with strangers, the appeal of that is entirely lost on me.
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Do you not watch the game and express your opinion? Do you fist pump when something good has happened? Do you cheer? Do you watch the game passively and emotionless??
Now I’m curious.
Off-topic -
The SF Giants are a non-stop marketing organization!
I ordered our tickets for the game we’re going to see and since then I get at least 2 emails a week with some sort of promotion. I guess their attendance is suffering? Or they’re really just into getting their fans out there? The only (baseball) organization I get more promotional e-mails from are the Trenton Thunder and Lakewood Blue Claws!
I have bought tickets from the Orioles, Indians, Dodgers, Blue Jays in the recent past. Aside from one e-mail at the beginning of the season, I don’t hear from them at all.
Just interesting to me.
I flinch if a pitch is inside…
Ledger_Yankees A-Rod: “Hand’s good. Hand’s really good.”
It’s VERY easy to retort a non-specific example like that one, but you know as well as I during game threads are often dominated by complaint “observations”, not complain “opinions”.
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Not really.
Even in the most obvious example of a bad play there is typically huge varying degrees in how posters quantify/explain how bad the play really was.
And then there is a large segment of comments that use one bad play to expand on a perceived pattern of bad plays from a certain player.
Often those, ‘opinions’ of how bad the play really was or how it really was not that bad or how that is one in example in a long line of ‘badness’ and it is hurting this team lead to discussions.
People post things to express themselves and get ‘into the game’. Maybe they want to feel connected to whats happening on the field and cheering/critiquing/whatever is how they do it?
I am perfectly fine watching a game and not doing much of anything. I sometimes get lost in just viewing the game at the stadium and have to remind myself to cheer (and start cheers, which I enjoy doing but often forget about).
When I’m at home its even worse because theres no around, so I could just sit and do nothing and watch a baseball game. But I often express myself on various forums, posting about whats happening in the game with other yankee fans and what not.
I stay away with LOHUD gameday threads unless its to retort to peoples ‘observations’ or whatever it is you’re calling their opinion. But I understand why people do that. They want to talk about the game or express their ‘baseball knowledge’ with fans of their team.
Even in the most obvious example of a bad play there is typically huge varying degrees in how posters quantify/explain how bad the play really was.
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Doesn’t this all depend on the degree of drunkeness of the said poster?
Erica,
Thanks for all of your GTLU advice
Some of you may have had a chance to see Montero catch during televised ST games. I did.
I, like Jerkface, am no scout but I can tell you what I saw.
We were lead to believe from various sources that Montero had all the deftness of a Lead ball behind the plate.
I did not see that. I am sure he has a strong and reasonably accurate throwing arm.
Asking Randy about him (He was a former Catcher) he said that his lower half was a little slow. After that time the Yankees changed the way Montero set his feet when Catching and from what I remember it helped speed him a bit.
His throwing times are very good.
He has thrown out 2 very speedy runners in the same game in the minors.
At AAA he was supposed to work on refining his skills.
I believe GB, who watches the games, said that Montero has a relatively high # of PB’s this year which indicates to me that his blocking skills need to improve.
I haven’t heard much about his game calling but I would imagine he will be pick that up as he gains further experience.
In the end, there would not seem to be any strong reason that I have heard of from any credible source that JM can’t make it as at least a Piazza to Posada level catcher. Maybe better.
That’s all I know, or think I know. Hope that helps.
I’ve read a lot of good and interesting reasons on why the Yankees should go for Soria and include Montero in the deal if need be.
Personally, I’m just not wild about trading a bat like Montero for a closer that’s never pitched in a meaningful game and then converting him to a set up man.
Just as the Yankees didn’t NEED Dan Haren to win this year, I don’t think have have to have Soria either. Sure, I think he would do fine setting up and would make the team better but the impact isn’t going to be that of a dominant starter or impact bat IMO.
Fran the original July 26th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Erica,
Thanks for all of your GTLU advice
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Anytime….
Here is one more suggestion for GTLU. Try batting Miranda in lead-off. Its a can’t miss!
I’m with the “Keep Montero” crowd unless trading him gives us a MONSTER upgrade that will impact the team for years. Lee qualified to me, although it was close since we’d really only be trading for this year. Haren and Soria do not qualify. I think Soria is tremendous but a relief pitcher just does not have anywhere near the value of a Miguel Cabrera who can catch.
The Yanks know more about him than me, and it sure sounds like they don’t think he’s the long-term catcher, but you can always find a place in the lineup for a bat like that. Even if he’s not the everyday catcher, he can’t catch 30-40 games a year?? And DH 100 games a year?? How many games are ARod and Jeter gonna DH anyway?? Once a week each?
“And Stuckey, perhaps you should also be against celebratory posts when a yankee player does well?? No one needs to be told “Wow A-rod hit a monster HR!!” It is quite obvious to the viewer.”
Well, you’re half-right. It would never occur to me to do such a thing. But at least while banal, there is some positivity, which (and forgive me Betsy), is “better” then negativity.
I understand this is the point where we start to use words like “vent” and “cathartic”, but anyone with even a passing knowledge of the subject knows that indulging in negativity simply breeds more negativity.
It not only makes people feel worse rather than better, it encourages more of the same.
“Venting” is a gateway behavior.
But don’t take my word for it, please. Do your own research.
“Which leaves us with what to post? Fantasy trades? Discussing the current win probability at that point in the game?”
A collection of observations non-conducive to conversation is what it is. I don’t think I need to justify anything to take its place.
Or as M. Kay used to say (amongst many other things that did not work, including the current “Segment 2″ experiment) “the aforementioned poster.”
I guess he reads this blog after all. At least he can take some criticism, dropping the “a” word is to be commended and I will take credit for that.
Montero’s ceiling is probably that he’ll be better defensively than Piazza was….if the Yanks had no other catchers in the system then he’d be untouchable right now.
However C is a position of strength in the system as they have 4 guys who project to be better than Montero with the glove in Romine,Murphy,Higgy and Sanchez and all have some average to above average potential with the bat as well.
Sanchez in fact is more advanced with his bat than Montero was at the same age.
Again I think the Yanks should give Jesus every opportunity to take over for Jorge as I think the difference in his bat to say Romines’ is dramatic and outweighs Romines’ better glove. Jesus has done a pretty good job so far in SWB and is still a work in progress but he has time.
Blake-
You have seen Montero catch on MiLB TV. Care to share your impressions of his catching ability as you saw it ?
A collection of observations non-conducive to conversation is what it is. I don?t think I need to justify anything to take its place.
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That makes you part of the problem. Since you want to be the arbiter of what should or should not be posted, because your incredible intelligence cannot fathom why anyone would post such things, then maybe you ought to suggest proper behavior?
“Do you not watch the game and express your opinion? Do you fist pump when something good has happened? Do you cheer? Do you watch the game passively and emotionless??
Now I’m curious.”
As am I. How you take a stab at answering the questions I already asked and I’ll be glad to answer yours.
There is nothing about this exchange that suggests your position is the norm and doesn’t require justification and mine does.
stuckey,
If you don’t like what gets posted on the gameday threads, then don’t read them. Visit before and after games. You’ve made your point, now you’re just whining.
getting soria would be great, but giving up Montero for him would just be way too much
the upside of Montero is far too high, outweighs even the largest contribution Soria could give
Yanks should at least take 3 out of 4 against Cleveland, they should be feelin good, playin well and A-Rod’s not going to miss even 1 game from the HBP
As am I. How you take a stab at answering the questions I already asked and I?ll be glad to answer yours. There is nothing about this exchange that suggests your position is the norm and doesn?t require justification and mine does.
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What have I not answered? You’ve dodged all my questions so far, so I think you ought to start. And I think the fact that you’re rallying against something which you find to be pervasive on this blog means that it is the norm.
I think you’re just a gimmick at the moment, which is why I think you won’t answer my questions.
The most valuable Yankee over the last 15 yrs during this current Dynasty is without a doubt Mariano.
Soria’s value to this team over the next 4yrs would be similar as the Yanks go back to the model that the game is pretty much a 6 inning game playing against the Yanks. Soria and Mo are the 2 most unhittable late inning guys in the game.
Mariano is 41yrs old and has dealt with injury and surgery the last 2yrs Soria gives you insurance against injury to Mo as well as the inevitable retirement ceremony.
There is alot of value in bringing him to the organization now.
I would just hope if a C is traded in a deal to get him that it’s Romine and not Jesus.
stuckey,
I don’t think you could be more off base asserting the Posada made the bad play thing as a fact akin to Alex wears #13.
And that seems to be one of the main selling points of your position, so that is a major problem with what you are trying to convey.
“The most valuable Yankee over the last 15 yrs during this current Dynasty is without a doubt Mariano.”
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I definitely see the logic in trading Montero for Soria and while torn on the issue I do support a large degree of the reasoning, but I would take Derek Jeter over Mariano any day of the week over the past 15 years.
I don’t think Mariano Rivera was the most valuable yankee. Too many pitchers and batters had to do *something* for Mariano to even come into play.
MTU,
I’ve probably seen Montero catch 10-15 games on TV. My first impression is that he looks big….very big back there. Mauer is tall but the body types are totally different and Mauer is much better natural athlete.
That said, from what I’ve seen he really doesn’t look that bad back there. Lower half is a little slow but he moves his arms and upper body quickly and has a really strong arm (though the release is long to me).
I like his body type worries people more than than anything because they know he’s going to have to work really hard to stay athletic enough to play the position as time goes by.
I was a SS though so what do I know…..I know I’m not trading him for a relief pitcher but that’s all
Only if you guys applied your knowledge for a greater good, we might have world peace.
“That makes you part of the problem. Since you want to be the arbiter of what should or should not be posted,”
No, I don’t. Never did. And this is when this conversation always goes off the tracks, because there are people (apparently such as yourself) who can’t understand the difference between critique and control.
I don’t want to stop anyone from doing anything. I’d in fact stridently defend anyone’s right to post whatever the hell they want, within the ToS.
It’s that’s banal observation, then so be it.
But as the same time I can express MY opinion. And if you’re reading comprehension is up to snuff, you know while you and I have gotten into talking about things generally, we got into the subject by me talking about something very specific, which is when fans start ridiculing players for performing badly (i.e. Chamberlain).
i don’t want to have any say, much less final, about what people should or shouldn’t post.
I will, however, take the opportunity to ask people questions and express express opinions on my own.
You can fancy yourself a populist and still ride a high horse Jerkface.
The “who are you to judge” is a overreach on your part. You can’t defend the rights of all to express their opinion cake and criticize me for doing the same too.
There is a word for that.
# LGY July 26th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
“The most valuable Yankee over the last 15 yrs during this current Dynasty is without a doubt Mariano.”
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I definitely see the logic in trading Montero for Soria and while torn on the issue I do support a large degree of the reasoning, but I would take Derek Jeter over Mariano any day of the week over the past 15 years.
I know of a lot of players that could replace Jeter in the dynasty years. Can’t name one to replace Mo. Still can’t now.
I have what I think is a Sabremetric-type question for any of you so inclined.
Can you project what someone’s WAR might be, or do have to have actual data to so ?
For instance, can we assume that Montero would be such and such a type of catcher, with such and such a BA, etc. and then use that hypothetical to then project what his WAR rating would be ?
Does that make any sense or is that just a total misuse of the concept, and just useless fantasy ?
Instance. What if Montero’s catching ability was similar to Posada’s this year but he was better hitter. What would his WAR rating be this year ?
If my lack of knowledge has lead to a nonsensical question above my apologies in advance.
While I love Mariano and don’t want to disparage him in anyway, he has been on the mound for some of the worst losses the Yankees have suffered over the past 15 years.
Erica,
LOL. I was just thinking that about Miranda.
Sounds like the Rangers are getting close to picking up Jorge Cantu.
I still can’t understand how MLB justifies letting the Rangers add payroll when they can’t pay their bills.
“I know of a lot of players that could replace Jeter in the dynasty years. Can’t name one to replace Mo. Still can’t now.”
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Who would replace Jeter?
“If you don’t like what gets posted on the gameday threads, then don’t read them. Visit before and after games. ”
Good point.
That is pretty much what I do.
“You’ve made your point, now you’re just whining.”
I’m responding to Jerkface, actually.
Physician, heal thyself.
Anything under my ID, skip…
If Trade rumors are your thing-
MLB Network is currently airing a show all about them
Blake-
Thanks.
That is worthwhile feedback. It’s real world.
You can’t defend the rights of all to express their opinion cake
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That cake sometimes tastes bitter.
“I don’t think you could be more off base asserting the Posada made the bad play thing as a fact akin to Alex wears #13. ”
It depends on what play we’re talking about, no?
If Posada airmails a thrown to 2nd into CF, are you honestly arguing that’s up to subjective interpretation as to whether is was “bad” or not?
You’ve expressed your opinion. “I don’t like when people post banal observations.”
You’ve also expressed something else, which is confusion as to why anyone would post those observations/opinions. As if the concept was alien to you. You’ve asked “why would anyone post this?” I’ve tried to give you reasons why I think people post these things.
And yet you won’t let me into your heart and answer my questions as to how you operate during a game, which would help give some insight as to why you don’t understand.
I’m not part of whatever joba chamberlain debate you’re in. I just tried to answer the general point as to why anyone would post something banal, negative or otherwise.
Please remember your original statement which I was responding to, I didn’t even read anything you had posted prior to that in any depth.
“What purpose does it serve?
I?m genuinely trying to understand the point of putting fingers to keyboard to express what is obvious and observed by everyone watching the game.
i admit to being snobbish in this regard, but I?m lost as to the appeal of the forum at the moments it?s being used by dozens of people making the same, quite obvious, dry-by statements all at once.
Posada had a bad game the other night.
It?s currently 3:53 pm.
Each of these statements has about equal value to me in terms of insight or interest.
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Raise your hand if you expected the Padres to be ranked in the Top 5 in MLB at any point this season.
I know, it’s just a poll. But their turnaround has been nothing short of amazing. Bad division or not.
http://www.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
# LGY July 26th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
“I know of a lot of players that could replace Jeter in the dynasty years. Can’t name one to replace Mo. Still can’t now.”
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Who would replace Jeter?
A-Rod baby!
“If Posada airmails a thrown to 2nd into CF, are you honestly arguing that’s up to subjective interpretation as to whether is was “bad” or not?”
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Yes, because it is not simply whether it is bad or not. I gave my opinion on that topic at 4:42.
All fans clamoring for Soria might find this article on him and when to trade interesting from October 2009:
http://royalsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/475
I too believe Jeter to be the MVP thru the years but I pose this question:
Is Arod more valuable for the time he has been here?
# LGY July 26th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
While I love Mariano and don’t want to disparage him in anyway, he has been on the mound for some of the worst losses the Yankees have suffered over the past 15 years.
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Not to be facetious, but who else, in the last 15 years, in a Yankee uniform, would be up against it on the mound in a ninth inning of a game 7 of any series?
Who would replace Jeter?
A-Rod baby!
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Came after the dynasty years, how is he replacing Jeter?
Even last year when the Yankees won with Alex, it is highly unlikely Alex would have been playing SS.
# mick July 26th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
I too believe Jeter to be the MVP thru the years but I pose this question:
Is Arod more valuable for the time he has been here?
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This is a question? ARod has been up there with Pujols for best player in baseball until recently and won two MVP’s with us. A-Rod has been far superior…
There have been closers who have closed a similiar percentage of games as Mo during his entire career. Mo’s value comes from his consistency and longevity. But a closer is never the most valuable person on your team. Too many things have to go right to get the game to the closer. And most closers close out games.
Mike Aviles > Jeter <Arod
LA GM Tony Regans is asked how he pulled off the Haren trade – I was half waiting for him to say; I took advantage of a novice GM in way over his head facing a serious payroll issue…
“You don’t sell your Ferrari during the offseason, when cooler heads have time to prevail, and other Ferraris are on the market. You sell it in the middle of the season, in the heat of a pennant race, when someone else’s Ferrari is looking fallible.”
I like that blog response to the article I just posted @ 5:06 on trading Soria.
And Werth can help the Yankees how? Don’t need him.
Jeter has become the inspirational leader while Arod was anything but that up to last year.
Indeed, as Reggie once said and Alex intimated, he is the straw that stirs the drink.
# Laura – I Bleed Blue July 26th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
“why do so many people value relievers here? they throw like 10% of the team innings.”
You’re kidding, right? With so few pitchers going the distance or even 7 innings, how can you not value a relief pitcher?
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Me and many other SABR-heads disagree.
Not everyone has to know what WAR means or whatever, and I dont really care, but even the common fan should, by logic, realize SP>RP because they throw more innings. Yes, relievers throw in higher leverages, but there is a reason they are a RP and not a SP. They typically aren’t as good.
When you throw 60 innings in 6 months, thats not a lot of value. Even the best RP are only equal to an average SP that throws 200 innings because that SP is involved in a lot more baseball action than the reliever and thus has a bigger total impact on winning games.
I’d go one further regarding MO, Jerkface: his imposing presence on the bench and potential to come into a game.
A lights-out EIG, which the Yankees have been trying to nail down as long as I can recall, would make that potentiality even more imposing.
Tony Reagins has the go-ahead to add a bat to the line-up.
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” I’ve tried to give you reasons why I think people post these things.”
I haven’t understood any response to be a “reason”. I remember an “instance” (when someone is home alone), but unless I missed a post, I think the behavior itself is still being regarded as a given not requiring of explanation.
“And yet you won’t let me into your heart and answer my questions as to how you operate during a game, which would help give some insight as to why you don’t understand.”
How I “operate”. I don’t know what to tell you. Different circumstances, different reactions.
I can tell you what I NEVER do, at home, online at a bar, or with 46k other fans at the stafium, which is to ridicule players for not playing well.
I’d even go so far as to say I might get frustrated and my initial, emotional, knee-jerk reaction would be to get “mad” or “angry”, but that’s when I stop myself and don’t give in to it, and worse, indulge it by seeking similar reaction from others and justifying it by becoming part of a mob.
Which is kind of the whole point of this conversation, isn’t it?