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Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 26, 2010 
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Curtis Granderson has 10 home runs for the season. Three of them have come in the past two games. Granderson’s two-run home run tonight sent the Yankees to a 3-2 win in a game that was nearly lost on two blown calls by the umpires. Instead, Javier Vazquez got a much-deserved win and Mariano Rivera got his 21st save, but only after Dave Robertson and Boone Logan — not Joba Chamberlain — handled the eighth.
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Curtis has hit some big HRs this year…………tonight was particularly sweet.
Granderson has hit some big homeruns this year, considering all his struggles. So glad to see him as the player of the game two days in a row. Way to go, Curtis.
GET OFF HIS BACK PEOPLE HE’S NOT GETTING TRADED.
There, I feel better.
Awesome night for Grandy! Two games in a row! Does Javy or Grandy get the belt?
Loved seeing Robertson come in instead of Joba…………and the kid is getting the job done.
All these no-nos are bittersweet; Phil was soooooooooo close and so was CC.
This was a good night.
Good night Yankee people!
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Think about tonight from Tampa’s perspective. I’m sure they’re thrilled for Garza, but on a night where they get a no hitter and the yankees are losing late in the game they don’t pick up any ground.
This is a very good Yankees team. If Granderson turns his season around this team is going to go to a level even higher. The value of a power hitting CF is enormous.
Just keep winning series and knock games off the schedule.
If Granderson stays hot, it will give the lineup the length it needs.
Hey Uncle Ellsworth, good to see you got the message.
Glad I could help you and a few other quality commenters make it over.
I think Tampa probably feels confident that they will at least get the wild card, though……….We’ve got 3 big games coming up in Tampa; too bad CC won’t be pitching there.
it’s Boston that must feel the pressure. Their season is literally on the brink.
If Granderson can OPS .900 v. RHP and play good defense, then we can live with his .550 OPS v. LHP.
Tar July 26th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Nice win.
GB
Thanks for the farm updates. I have never seen Brackman pitch, but I have seem him play BB a lot. I can tell you, he is one tough kid.
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I suppose it depends on who the Yankees have in the bullpen when he’s ready, but, I can see him transitioning to the 8th inning and closer role. He could be as intimidating as Rich Gossage.
I don’t think Girardi skipping Joba tonight is a permanent thing. I think he goes to him the next time out. This was just a little hint to Joba that there are other options so he needs to get his game together …. and soon!
Good to see Grandy waking up..
Can Joba wake up too please..
Matt Garza’s nose.
And now the first question for Joe in the postgame – Why did he not go to Joba in the 8th? (I mean, we all can guess as to the answer, and would be pretty much correct, I think…but it will be interesting to hear Joe respond.)
GB-
Everything turn out A-OK ?
Wratchet kept at bay ?
nancy newman makes me want to rip my ears off…
“I suppose it depends on who the Yankees have in the bullpen when he’s ready, but, I can see him transitioning to the 8th inning and closer role. He could be as intimidating as Rich Gossage.”
I agree. He has that demeanor. I’ve watched him take his BB team on his back, and with as much determination as skill, will them to victory. Thanks again for the farm updates. Goodnight all.
Hey, GB – how’s things going? All A-OK?
# mick July 26th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Arod #600 tmw on Bday, heard here 1st…
Good win tonight. Had to battle through a couple of bad calls. As mentioned by an earlier post, while Granderson hasn’t hit a lot of HR’s this year, he’s hit some big ones. I like having the guy on the team. If he’s healthy, I think he has a nice second half and ends the year with 18-20 HR’s and a solid avg.
Grandersons last 13 games not including today: .327 .377 .490 .867
Went 2 for 3 with a HR so those numbers are going up!
If this hot streak stays maybe Pat M knew what he was talking about
MTU July 26th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
GB-
Everything turn out A-OK ?
Wratchet kept at bay ?
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I flew in today (not on a broom, either). My appointment is tomorrow morning. It’ll be another all day thing. I’ve got a lot of ducking and hiding to do.
Wait!!! What was that? I just heard a she-wolf howling at the moon. I’m getting scared.
“Arod #600 tmw on Bday, heard here 1st…”
Somebody already said that in the last thread.
Javy now 9-7 and has gotten the ERA down to 4.54 and a 1.24 WHIP. Not bad at all considering his start.
# Dan in Philly July 26th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
nancy newman makes me want to rip my ears off…
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Van Goghian crush huh.
Correct me if I am wrong, but someone said CC won’t be pitching against Tampa. CC goes tomorrow (Tuesday). He will go again on Sunday. Correct?
I like how this team can adjust the way they win games. The offense is unquestionably better at home but it seems to be the pitching that carries them on the road.
Somebody already said that in the last thread.
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Me?
Joe from Long Island July 26th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Hey, GB – how’s things going? All A-OK?
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Hey, Joe. How are things going up your way? Thinks are going well here. Thanks for asking. appointment is tomorrow. I’m more scared about The Hound From Baskerville than I am of the doctors and their reports.
From Suzyn in the post-game….
Girardi going the matchup route in the 8th inning for now.
No set EIG.
Logan overpowered Choo.
Both have guns for arms.
Interesting. Kim – who’s limited by the YES mandate not to ask anything controversial – asked about “the 8th inning” and paused a moment to see if Joe would volunteer anything about Joba. Later, one of the guys (print reporter?) asked about it again, and Joe would only say he liked the matchups with Robertson and Logan.
Joe does not like to criticize his players in public, that’s for sure. What this means for Joba’s future is the question. Not that I’m disagreeing with the move tonight.
GB-
“Wait!!! What was that? I just heard a she-wolf howling at the moon. I’m getting scared.”
Garlic, Crucifix, and Silver bullets. In that order. Remember.
Report back during the day.
Carlo, that was me – but I think you’re right. I guess it’s Hughes on Friday, AJ Saturday and CC Sunday………..
That doesn’t make any sense. It was ok for Joba to be the EIG, but it’s not ok for Robertson? Sometimes I don’t get Joe.
Logan= a poor man’s Matt Thorton?
I think its actually Hughes Friday, Javy saturday and CC sunday. Tampa will have davis, garza, and I assume price.
Joba was still lurking in the pen, he was next in line.
Joe played the 8th as if it were the 7th except he only gave Joba one out.
He’s still the EIG.
Logan was earmarked for Choo all along.
GB, ah a Sherlock Holmes reference; I love it! You knew Conan Doyle personally, right?
Fri: Hughes-Davis
Sat: Vazsquez-Garza
Sun: Sabathia-Shields
GB7-
It’s great to see Brackman turn it around. Pretty remarkable. Not only is he locating but his secondary stuff is also developing. He’s more than a two pitch pitcher now. Most prospect experts had written him off. But with guys that tall you can’t predict their time line. What a talent to have in the system given that they already have CC and Hughes at the big league level and may be adding Lee in the winter.
Good luck tomorrow buddy. Hope everything goes well.
I always preferred seeing the 8th inning guy being a match-up of batters instead of one guy, whether he’s THE GUY or not.
GB – I’m ok. Big news is that I was in a car wreck a few days ago – thank goodness for the seatbelts and air bags, just a few bruises and a cut. The worse part is it was my wife’s car, that I got her for her birthday a few years back. Fortunately, she likes me….
I’ll say a prayer for you tonight, Big Guy – to keep you know who away….
Carlo, I think you’re right. I think AJ goes Wednesday – too bad as he usually pitches very well in Tampa.
The definition of insanity:
“Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result”
Joba + Romine for Soria
Do u do it? Yes or no?
Does that package get it done? Yes or no?
I actually like the committee 8th inning for now. I don’t see having it a set role unless you have a shut down guy to go there. IMO its better to match it up however best gets the ball in Rivera’s hand.
Stuckey, thanks!
# Betsy July 26th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
That doesn’t make any sense. It was ok for Joba to be the EIG, but it’s not ok for Robertson? Sometimes I don’t get Joe.
Maybe coming out and saying it was Joba’s was the mistake.
still doesn’t look like they’re giving the 8th full on to robertson. most 8th inning guys would face both righties and lefties. But i could be wrong.
Joe,
Glad to hear your car accident wasn’t too severe. Seatbelts save lives as they say.
GB,
I’ll add my good wishes for your check up as well….watch out for manly nurses.
“# stuckey99 July 26th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
Fri: Hughes-Davis
Sat: Vazsquez-Garza
Sun: Sabathia-Shields
”
nice, I’m going to Friday and Sundays game so I get to skip Vazquez
The 8th inning might be too long for Joba’s attention span.
Maybe Joe doesn’t want to hurt Joba in public or maybe he doesn’t want to diminish his trade value any further – who knows. I don’t think D-Rob is bulletproof, but he sure deserves a shot to get the job done in the 8th.
Abreu Hammertime
MTU, does that makes us insane? We keep posting here……….over and over and over again.
Thanks Stuckey. Glad to see sheilds instead of price but have learned too many times that its best to be careful what u wish for when it comes to which opposing starters we draw.
“Logan= a poor man’s Matt Thorton?”
That one can even pose the question says a lot for how Logan has turned things around. Hopefully he can continue to command his fastball. Choo was completely over powered tonight.
With Logan it seems like fastball command is particularly important because I don’t think his slider command is ever going to be great. But if he can’t locate his fastball he starts to over throw his slider and he walks the park.
He can dominate LH hitters with his fastball alone if he can command it even half way decently.
who would have thought that with Greinke pitching it would be 17-0 Twins!
GB…
Good wishes for tomorrow. By the way, she’s on vacation!
thanks, ray.
Carl, I think so.
Joe, wow – are you ok?
I always wear my seatbelt and I refuse to drive my car unless my passengers put their belts on. It drives me crazy that some in my family believe that sitting in the backset will protect them from the force of an impact.
Joe-
You can just send your donation along to Volvo and Mercedes.
Glad you’re OK.
I still think Joba is going to be a good pitcher one of these days.
I’m hoping it’s with the Yankees.
Thanks for the support, CB. Much appreciated. As I said earlier, Brackman’s following his usual slow starts right after promotion before cranking it up. With Brackman, Phelps, Noesi, Warren and Netances moving pretty fast up the line, NYYs will have some tough decisions on who pitches in the rotations, who’s in the bullpens and who goes in the trades. It’s been years since those decisions were that tough.
as far as position players, I really love what Laird does. I think he has a better bat than Romine. somebody really did his job on that 27th round pick.
Joe,
Glad you are ok.
GB,
Good luck tomorrow. I’ll say a prayer for you tonight.
Carlo,
Do you do it? Yes.
Would that get it done? Unfortunately, no.
Falls short on the Yankees side. Need more beef in that offer.
They are letting Joba down lightly… nothing wrong with that. No need to come out and say he is demoted.
Betsy-
I do not know about you. You seem pretty normal to me.
As for me. Well. Isn’t it obvious that my elevator does not stop at the top floor.
MTU, I’m just a little to the left of normal, lol
17 to zip against KC? Is that the same KC team the Yankees just played? Just asking cause it seems they can’t hit a lick tonight vs. the Twinkies.
And Greinke got pounded for 6 runs in the first inning. Ouch.
Wow! Joe Mauer is 5 for 5 with 7 RBIs… and its only the 7th inning.
Glad that you and the family are good to go, Joe. Did the wife ground you and take the keys away from you?
Seriously, though. Happy that ya’ll are fine. Accidents, not matter how small, can sometimes turn out bad. Lucky day after all, huh?
“It’s been years since those decisions were that tough. ”
Isn’t it amazing? As a yankee fan who came of age in the 1980′s it’s still difficult to think about how much pitching the franchise has now. I’d guess you’d have to go back to the early 1960′s or even 1950′s to a time when the franchise had this much pitching. They obviously had great pitching at the major league level in the 90′s but the arms in the minors weren’t even remotely comparable to what they have now.
What I like is that the team is going to be able to take each new young pitcher and first integrate them by putting them into the bull pen and then transitioning them to the rotation. Just a guess – but I think that’s the route they are going to take with the vast majority of their young arms. They are going to do it the old fashion way so to speak – the way they did it with Hughes.
Guys like Brackmand and Betances in particular – I think they’lll start in the pen and only then transition to the rotation.
Betsy-
You’re not a closet commie are you ?
Thanks for the kind words and thoughts, SJ. When you say that prayer, please ask that Nurse Karloff is sick for the day.
Guess Mauer is having a decent night…lol
Even commies are capitalists these days…
Rich-
And the capitalists are commies.
CB, I haven’t seen this much young pitching talent hit the system since, like you said, the early 60s with Stafford, Sheldon, Downing, Bouton and Stotlemyre all hit within 3 years.
Isn’t it too early to say we’re loaded with great young pitching?
MTU, oh my – I’m the furthest thing from.
As to starting off pitchers in the pen, not every one of those guys is going to have the success Phil did. I don’t think it’s a good idea to assume that because it may have worked for Phil that it’s going to work for them.
mick,
yep. joba would have come in if not for the DP. Logan would have faced Choo and Joba would have come in to face Santana.
he is still a big part of the pen… they have to get him right. burying him in mop up isin’t going to do it
Good win for the Yanks. Grandy getting hot and im happy for him. Rivera isnt real I dont believe.
GB:
All the best tomorrow.
MTU
That’s too deep for me.
Betsy-
John Bircher then ?
I don’t even believe there is anything as normal.
I meant to add a
after that comment, MTU. I’m quirky/eccentric/a bundle of contradictions, lol
GB,
As a group the above named pitchers weren’t as good as what we have. We are so spoiled that when one of them has a bad night and the bullpen isn’t ‘on’. the world has come to an end.
“as far as position players, I really love what Laird does. I think he has a better bat than Romine. somebody really did his job on that 27th round pick.”
Also – on Laird. It’s remarkable for him to be hitting that many home runs playing his home games in that ball park. Trenton simply kills power numbers. Even Montero with his raw power didn’t hit a ton of home runs last season at home during his stint in AA last season.
The power Laird’s hitting with is very real. And he’s making decent contact. Hitting around .280 and striking out around 20% of his at bats. That’s really not that bad a strike out rate given how much power he’s hitting for. I’d like to see him improve his strike zone command but if he were able to do that he’d really be something.
Thanks, Comet, for the kind thoughts. Just a 6 month check-up to make sure nothing returned.
LOL well, somewhere in the middle of that – no, I’m just a gal who likes to have fun (of course my idea of fun is picking apart grammar and hanging out in bookstores, lol)
Rich-
Hell. it’s too deep for me too, and I’m the one who said it.
“I haven’t seen this much young pitching talent hit the system since, like you said, the early 60s with Stafford, Sheldon, Downing, Bouton and Stotlemyre all hit within 3 years.”
Good to hear you say that – that’s the group I was thinking back to as well. Unfortunately, injuries and circumstances derailed that group some (Stotlemyre in particular) so it’s a big difficult for me to know how good they were as a group.
just imagine if A-rod hit a homer when they had a 14-0 lead like mauer just did.
we would never hear the end of it, about how he hits worthless homers.
just sayin’
Betsy-
I always said you are a bad woman in a good sort of way.
MTU, I’m so bad, I’m good, lol
Buchholtz in a big jam in the 2nd.
For those who follow such things more closely than I…
Given the positive results the system has experienced this year (particularly the high A pitchers), how do you see the Yanks system moving up in the rankings in the offseason.
Could the system make the leap into a Top 10 (regarded) system?
Betsy- and I’m so bad I’m worse than bad. Certified troublemaker. Just ask GB.
Buchholtz on the verge of blowing up in the 2nd.
co-MVPs of game = Girardi & Joba
Loaded up, zero outs. Two popups. TWO!!!
Stuckey-
No. because those who do the rating don’t really have a clue.
# Eric UWS July 26th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
Buchholtz on the verge of blowing up in the 2nd.
Red Sox vs LAA? Not gonna happen.
CB, if NYYs keep Laird, I think he becomes a Hector Lopez type, playing all four corners and maybe an emergency game or 2 at 2nd. Like I said, it’s not arm strength and accuracy, it’s more the footwork. He’s never really had a good infield coach. Too bad that he can’t play in the AFL this winter. He played there last season. Love that his power is all over and not a strict pull hitter. He’s probably going to strikeout 90-100 times a year. I’m like you and wish he’d walk more, but, it should come. They are coming up and he should have around 50 this year and the strikeouts are up just a bit. OBP is still at .350.
Buchholz is very good – I’m hardly surprised; he’s made a huge amount of progress……..
MTU,
SOMEONE has to…
I know i probably spoke to soon. I forgot they (usually) just roll over for them. Bucholtz is gonna be at at least 45 pitches through 2 though.
I know i probably spoke to soon. I forgot they (usually) just roll over for them. Bucholtz is gonna be at at least 45 pitches through 2 though.
Stuckey-
Put in your resume.
If Grandy keeps this up, then we won’t hear about Austin Jackson anymore on this blog.
Better than giving up runs, though…….
Pathetic by the bottom of the Angels order. Jeff Mathis is Johnny Bench v. the Yankees
“If Grandy keeps this up, then we won’t hear about Austin Jackson anymore on this blog.”
My only reservation about the trade was IPK, not Jackson.
I wonder if Greinke’s shoulder is still bothering him? If you ask his new 4.01 ERA it would tell you yes.
That 60s group of pitchers were all contact pitchers except for Downing. though Bouton and stafford threw hard. Stottlemyre and Sheldon were sinker ballers, a lot like Wang. Stottlemyer could get strikeouts, though. If he had stayed healthy, even with those bad teams, he would have been a serious contender for HOF election.
GB-
I notice that Jesus has been out two games now. Wasn’t his injury minor ?
Thanks for the kind thoughts, guys.
Good night. And, best of luck to you, GB. Don’t let the doctors get you down. Certainly, don’t let Nurse Karloff get you down.
Back at ‘em, tomorrow.
I can’t believe the Angels couldn’t score one run from a bases loaded situation with nobody out. Sometimes they can look so inept against the Red Sox.
Buster Posey extends hitting streak to 19 games
Joe, that was a cruel and ugly thought that you caused. Brrrrr.
CB glad to see you’re back from your hiatus, I really enjoy reading your posts.
MTU, Montero’s still a little sore but nothing serious. I would guess by Wednesday.
Lost July 26th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
I wonder if Greinke’s shoulder is still bothering him? If you ask his new 4.01 ERA it would tell you yes.
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Good luck to the Royals getting those 2 major league ready starters with top of the rotation potential.
How bout.
no.
GB-
Thanks. Remember to keep the stilleto taped to your leg at all times.
It saved Clint Eastwood. It could save you too.
Buster Posey appears to be really really good.
Ray-
He’d have to be with that name of his.
It sends out mixed messages.
MTU July 26th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
GB-
Thanks. Remember to keep the stilleto taped to your leg at all times.
It saved Clint Eastwood. It could save you too.
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LMAO. You are one sick puppy.
CB July 26th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
“It’s been years since those decisions were that tough. ”
Isn’t it amazing? As a yankee fan who came of age in the 1980’s it’s still difficult to think about how much pitching the franchise has now. I’d guess you’d have to go back to the early 1960’s or even 1950’s to a time when the franchise had this much pitching. They obviously had great pitching at the major league level in the 90’s but the arms in the minors weren’t even remotely comparable to what they have now.
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CB, the Yankees of the late ’50s and early ’60s didn’t really have deep pitching staffs. Other than Whitey Ford (Bob Turley for a few years, Ralph Terry for a couple) the starting rotations were patchwork combinations of guys like Bill Stafford (2 good years), Jim Coates (when he started the Yankees usually scored 10+ runs), Art Ditmar, Duke Maas, Rollie Sheldon (one good year), etc, etc, etc. Not exactly awe inspiring. But they won anyway because the team scored lots of runs, played excellent defense both in the infield and outfield, and just played the game the right way.
The current pitching staff, in spite of the thoughts of many on this blog, is one of the deepest and most talented staffs I’ve seen outside of the teams of the late ’90s. The difference now is they seem to have a ton of home grown talent on the farm. I really believe this team has a chance to create another dynasty similar to the ones of the late ’40s/early ’50s (where the great pitching and young players like Mick, Gil McDougald, Billy Martin made consecutive wins possible) and the great teams of the late ’90s. That’s why it’s so disappointing to read all the complaints about this team when they lose or players are in slumps-this is all part of baseball, as you well know, and means virtually nothign in the long run.
MTU lol.
It is interesting there have been no articles (at least to my knowledge) about Bucholz getting “lucky” this year.
IIRC the several articles about Phil getting “lucky” at the beginning of this season were premised on the disparity in his ERA and FIP as well as xFIP.
Bucholz ERA this year is: 2.81
His FIP is 3.75
His xFIP is 4.33
Selective enforcement by the FIP police?
GB-
I’ve heard that before somewhere.
At least I keep you laughing.
LGY, I have no idea what that means, lol. To be fair, Phil got a lot of pub and Buchholz has gone relatively unnoticed………..
With Granderson it is all about left-right matchups. This is now his sixth or seventh game in a row vs RHP, and he can hit righties.
I thought those articles were BS about Phil (they annoyed me a great deal at the time) and though I have no idea what those #s mean, I have to think they are BS about Buchholz. I just hate the general idea that if a pitcher is good, he’s lucky.
Betsy-
You know why ?
Because Phil is strapping young Man.
And Bucko looks like a Mortician.
You’re a gal. Who would pay attention to.
Betsy
Really ? All we hear about is how great the Red Sox farm system is and how Theo is so smart. Bucholtz is well known and has been hyped alot.
Betsy-
GB has robbed me of my typing powers but you know hat I mean.
“what” I mean. Sheesh. Time for bed.
Jeremy, um I know Buchholz has been hyped a lot, but this year in terms of media coverage/baseball blobs, etc…, Phil has gotten more hype. Well, that was the case earlier – I’m sure it’s probably changed now.
So yeah, Jeremy………..really.
And Betsy a pitcher can be lucky. Look at Papelbon last year. The guy was an escape artist even with a high whip. But the chickens came home to roost in the ALDS.
MTU, not really – looks have nothing to do with it.
Jeremy, I just figure if a pitcher has a high whip he’s doing a good job of getting out of jams – why is that luck?
In any case, I have no idea what FIP or xFIP are; I don’t have any clue what #s are considered good………. The only thing weird about Buchholz’ #s are his walks to Ks, but really – aren’t results what count? Andy has always been a pitcher who’s given up his share of hits; has he been lucky? IMO, escaping jams is a skill.
Betsy
But it’s only been a year. Bucholtz has been talked about alot by the media since he first came up and threw that no hitter against the O’s.
Betsy-
Maybe not but Bucko still looks like a Mortician to me.
That boy needs to get some food into his system.
Anyway. Just remember that Laughter is the best medicine of all.
I’m off to get my warm milk and cookies before bed.
Good night Betsy. See you tomorrow.
Jeremy, yes of course that’s true……..Well anyway, media mentions don’t really count for much.
MTU, I don’t know many morticians, lol.
Have a good night!
Haren just got nailed by a comebacker from Youk.
wOW!!! Talk about bad luck. Youkilis just smoked Haren with a liner, hitting him on the pitching arm.
Haren just got drilled by a Youk line drive.
Blocked his face with his arm, might have deflected off his wrist. He was moving it, but they took him out right away.
Looked like it hit his forearm. That had to hurt.
Bad luck for Haren. You hope he’s OK.
Kind of makes it more even of a trade now though.
Betsy
Yeah that is true. You are right that Hughes has been talked about alot more lately. One thing I don’t hear anymore from the new york sportwriters are the Hughes Pelfrey comparisons.
Yeah it was the right thing to do by taking Haren out. Don’t want to risk an injury.
Jeremy
I have seen the Red Sox get out of bases loaded or men on 3rd base with 0 outs in an inning 10 times in the past week. 3 times in one game. They make it look easy.
did he leave the game?
Jeremy, neither Phil nor Pelfrey are pitching well enough to be compared to anyone at this point……….
Hughes got talked about because he racked up a lot of wins early, and then made the all-star team.
If the Sox were in “contention”, you’d definitely hear more about Laps nationally. Beckett and Matsuzaka looked good their last turn through. They’ll make some noise.
One thing, though. I don’t like the idea of a DH getting any serious consideration for MVP voting. But if the Sox get 90 wins, and Ortiz hits at least 30HR/100RBI he probably should get some consideration with the AAAA lineup they trot out there every night.
Okay, that’s the last nice thing I say about the sawx.
It could have caused some numbness to his fingers being hit like that. The forearm being hit like that and having just been acquired, there is no sense in pushing it. Get some ice on it, get it checked out.
M, Buchholz racked up the wins as well. I think Phil got attention because his name has been so prominently mentioned for years as some kind of super stud………..Clay, when he struggled, didn’t get the bad press, but Phil did. Experts never changed their minds on Clay in terms of potential, but they did about Phil so Phil is looked at (or he was) as some kind of comeback story.
In any case, you have to credit the Sox for developing Lester and Buchholz…….blech, lol
Betsy
You do realize that Clay Buchholz is a full 2 years older than Phil? So Phil is farther along at his current age than Buchholz. (Yes, Buch pitched a no-hitter; many bums have done so)
CR, yes, I am aware of that; what’s your point?
Buchholz has a 6 k/9 and a 3 bb/9 and is getting very lucky on fly balls not becoming HRs, that could be a product of his pitching. At any rate, that doesn’t scream ace.
BABIP is below average too.
Hughes has a 20 point higher BABIP and a league average HR/FB
Betsy
It was in response to “Phil and Pelfrey can’t be compared to anyone right now.” Yes, Phil can, because he is farther along at his current age than Buch was.
GB,
i’ve been reading your posts for a while now, they are allways insightfull and interesting. Hope that whatever you have is nothing serious, my best wishes to you.
Here’s all I care about
Buchholz’s team is 9 games in the loss column behind Hughes’
Priorities people, priorities.
Stuckey beat me to it.
Why do we care so much about the team that is 9 games behind the Yanks in the loss column?
Jerkface, I don’t really know what those numbers mean. Phil’s K rate is dropping drastically, so if it keeps doing that, he’ll end up with K rate similar to CB.
Again, whether we’re talking about Phil, Clay, Price, Andy, Haren, Halladay, whomever – I don’t believe in luck. When Phil wasn’t giving up HRs, I didn’t think it was luck – the guy wasn’t giving up long fly balls. I think BABIP is something a pitcher can often control – when Phil has a low BABIP, I think it was because he was very hard to hit, not because he gave up a ton of line drives that were hit at people (I’m sure he had some of those, but not a lot). Therefore, I have to be fair and not diminish what Buchholz is doing. Results are what count – not giving up runs. Does it matter how a pitcher goes about getting those good results?
CR9
Also the Angels are so pathetic against the Sox. The Sox could be playing like crap and still make the Angels look inept. I bet you that the Angels won’t beat the Sox in the postseason again for a long time.
CR9 July 26th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
Betsy
You do realize that Clay Buchholz is a full 2 years older than Phil? So Phil is farther along at his current age than Buchholz. (Yes, Buch pitched a no-hitter; many bums have done so)
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Nolan Ryan used to say that he had much better stuff in some of his one hitters than in his no-no’s, meaning that to throw a no-no you have to be very lucky too.
I think Hughes might have hit a wall (dead arm) or the league is making more adjustments and he needs to continue to adjust.
Stuckey, by that measure we should never compare players – sorry, that’s part of the fun of baseball for me.
CR, The point about Phil and Pelfrey was that they were talked about as young aces – and who is better? Well, neither are current aces (and I didn’t think so when they were pitching well; I think an ace has to do it over a longer chunk of time than a month or two) and because they are pitching badly, the media isn’t going to care about comparing them anymore.
Jeremy
Believe me. I’m with you. I’d stake my life on the Angels getting swept out of the playoffs by the Sox every time they face them with Scioscia as the manager. Now, if I had done that last year, I would have lost my life
“Stuckey, by that measure we should never compare players – sorry, that’s part of the fun of baseball for me.”
Comparisons are fine Betsy.
Constant, irrelevant comparisons are another story.
There is NO link between Hughes and Buchholz, which is the point.
Yet the comparison never seems to go away here.
Betsy
To be fair Pelfrey is older than Hughes and has more starting experience in the majors than Hughes. To think that Hughes should be pitching like an ace in his first full year as a starter is a joke. I think Hughes will be an ace and I’m not worried about him one bit. Pelfrey on the other hand is a headcase and he isn’t getting any younger. If I were a Met fan I would be a little worried though the Mets are such a pathetic organization Met fans have to worry about everything.
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Betsy July 26th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
Stuckey, by that measure we should never compare players – sorry, that’s part of the fun of baseball for me.
CR, The point about Phil and Pelfrey was that they were talked about as young aces – and who is better? Well, neither are current aces (and I didn’t think so when they were pitching well; I think an ace has to do it over a longer chunk of time than a month or two) and because they are pitching badly, the media isn’t going to care about comparing them anymore.
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I don’t think it’s fair to compare Hughes to those pitchers. Because they have more innings than him. And are older.
Funny stuff.
Two guys complaining and moaning about two teams that will likely be watching the postseason from their living rooms or golf courses.
Hughes will be fine. His last start against KC really wasn’t that bad. He made 2 mistakes, 1 to Podsednik and 1 to Ankiel (which I would actually put partially on Posada because I have no idea why you would even throw Ankiel a fastball. The guy can crush a fastball but can’t hit a breaking ball no matter how bad for his life). Before the rain he was on his way to 6 innings 3 ER. That line should win 85% of the time with this lineup. He doesn’t have to put up Josh Johnson numbers. If he wins that shows me enough. And he’s 12-3.
Before the season many predicted borderline 13-14 wins with a 4 ERA. Well, he’s surpassed that. The Yanks have a future stud 24 year old pitcher on their hands. Enjoy it rather than picking it apart…