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Hall of Fame announces election changes

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 27, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Baseball Hall of Fame has announced election changes that immediately impact the possible election of George Steinbrenner. Basically, the veterans committee elections are changing. The Hall is breaking those elections into three eras, with only one era eligible each year. Steinbrenner’s era will be up for election this year. Here are the details from the Hall of Fame.

The National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum’s Board of Directors has restructured the procedures to consider managers, umpires, executives and long-retired players for election to the Hall of Fame.

The changes, effective immediately, maintain the high standards for earning election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame. The voting process will now focus on three eras, as opposed to four categories, with three separate electorates to consider a single composite ballot of managers, umpires, executives and long-retired players.

“The procedures to consider the candidacies of managers, umpires, executives and long-retired players have continually evolved since the first Hall of Fame election in 1936,” said Jane Forbes Clark, chairman of the board for the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum. “Our continual challenge is to provide a structure to ensure that all candidates who are worthy of consideration have a fair system of evaluation. In identifying candidates by era, as opposed to by category, the Board feels this change will allow for an equal review of all eligible candidates, while maintaining the high standards of earning election.”

Eras: Candidates will be considered in three eras — Pre-Integration (1871-1946), Golden (1947-1972) and Expansion (1973-1989 for players; 1973-present for managers, umpires and executives).

Candidates: One composite ballot of managers, umpires, executives and long-retired players will be considered in each era. The Expansion Era ballot will feature 12 candidates, while the Golden and Pre-Integration era ballots will feature 10 candidates. Candidates will be classified by the eras in which their greatest contributions were recorded.

Electorates: A Voting Committee of 16 members for each era will be appointed by the Board of Directors annually. Each committee will be comprised of Hall of Fame members, major league executives, and historians/veteran media members. Any candidate who receives at least 75% of ballots cast will earn election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame.

Frequency of Elections: An election will be held annually at the Winter Meetings. The Eras will rotate, with the Expansion Era Committee to vote on December 5, 2010 at the Winter Meetings in Orlando, Fla. The Golden Era committee will meet at the Winter Meetings in 2011 and the Pre-Integration Era Committee will vote on candidates at the 2012 Winter Meetings.

Screening Process: The BBWAA-appointed Historical Overview Committee will devise the ballots for each era. The Historical Overview Committee currently consists of 10 veteran members: Dave Van Dyck (Chicago Tribune); Bob Elliott (Toronto Sun); Rick Hummel (St. Louis Post-Dispatch); Steve Hirdt (Elias Sports Bureau); Bill Madden (New York Daily News); Ken Nigro (formerly Baltimore Sun); Jack O’Connell (BBWAA secretary/treasurer); Nick Peters (formerly Sacramento Bee); Tracy Ringolsby (FSN Rocky Mountain); and Mark Whicker (Orange County Register).

Eligible candidates:
· Players who played in at least 10 major league seasons, who are not on Major League Baseball’s ineligible list, and have been retired for 21 or more seasons;
· Managers and umpires with 10 or more years in baseball and retired for at least five years. Candidates who are 65 years or older are eligible six months following retirement;
· Executives retired for at least five years. Active executives 65 years or older are eligible.

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167 Responses to “Hall of Fame announces election changes”

  1. Giuseppe Franco July 27th, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Repost:

    FWIW, according to Davidoff, the Yanks NEVER offered Montero in a deal for Soria.

    These guys are all over the map. Nobody can really decipher who knows what they’re talking about and who doesn’t.

  2. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:09 am

    GF-

    Davidoff has always had a teensy weensy bit more credibility with me than some others.

    Slightly less of a shill. :)

  3. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 9:11 am

    FWIW, according to Davidoff, the Yanks NEVER offered Montero in a deal for Soria.

    **************************
    Interesting. I’d trust Davidoff over Heyman any day of the week. ;)

  4. Bill D July 27th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    “Executives retired for at least five years. Active executives 65 years or older are eligible.”

    Perhaps a technicality, but GMS satisfies neither of these.

  5. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Erin-

    I’d trust you more than both of them put together. :)

  6. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:13 am
    Erin-

    I?d trust you more than both of them put together.

    ************************
    Awww…thanks MTU :)

  7. Bob July 27th, 2010 at 9:16 am

    The umpires have been terrible and have ruled against the Yankees twice last night – Granderson was safe at 2B on a strong throw from Choo, and before that the ball was trapped in left field by Crowe on A-Rod’s hit that doubled up Tex. Royal series: Saturday it was the close play at first in the bottom of the 9th. Tex was clearly safe. The umpires have shown mostly incompetence. How could so many close plays be ruled incorrectly ?

  8. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Bob-

    “How could so many close plays be ruled incorrectly ?”

    because they ___ . Fill in the blank. :)

  9. 86w183 July 27th, 2010 at 9:21 am

    There’s no reason to continue having a pre-integration ERA committee. There are already a significant number of undeserving people from that ERA in the Hall as far as I’m concerned.

    Now all we need is to do is remove the Scarlet Letter from a handful of “steroid era” players and get Joe Jackson and Pete Rose on the ballot.

  10. Bronx Jeers July 27th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Chris Coghlan hurt his knee delivering a walk-off pie yesterday?

    Are the Yanks on FOX this Sat? This could be a problem with McCarver excitedly claiming he broke the story on the dangers of pie.

    Then he”ll compare Cashman to Pontius Pilate.

  11. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Bronx-

    All I can say about most of these announcers is thank you G-d for the “mute” button on my remote. :)

  12. 86w183 July 27th, 2010 at 9:27 am

    On umpires I have long favored six man crews for the entire season.

    I would hire minor league guys from that area to umpire the foul lines so they wouldn’t be traveling which saves a ton of money. It doesn’t guarantee success, but it does virtually guarantee better angles on many calls since base umpires won’t be on the move because of outfield plays.

    Last night the short hop was a joke, but not as much as one of the Indians broadcasters (MLB Extra Innings) trying to say it was too close to call.

    The play at second was wrong because of lousy position by the ump in question. He put himself at an angle where Granderson would block his view as he approached the bag. Why? Because he was eying first base as the first base ump started down the RF line.

  13. blake July 27th, 2010 at 9:28 am

    It is pretty amazing the inconsistency of reporting by these guys. Really nobody had either of the big deals this year. As someone else pointed out, you rarely hear anything about Yankee deals until they are virtually done…..it just appears out of the blue. I doubt the Montero stuff was true either….just doesn’t make sense to offer that for a reliever IMO.

  14. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:29 am

    86-

    two words. Instant replay.

  15. BIG AL July 27th, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 8:16 am
    Joba doesn’t deserve the EIG role – he should have to earn it like everyone else. Just because some of us think he should find himself outside of the 8th doesn’t mean we’re giving up on him; winning is more important than Joba’s confidence – and I agree with Rich. Joe is being unreasonably stubborn. Unlike M, I don’t think he trusts Robertson…………

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I think part of what you’re saying is correct. Joe has stated that no one will be given the EIG role, it must be earned. To date, Joba has not earned it, it has been given to him by default. But, now the D-Rob has proven himself in several tight situations, I believe Joe does trust him, and will let him ease into being the EIG. IMO

  16. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    Blake-

    I assume you are posting from headquarters these days ? :)

  17. blake July 27th, 2010 at 9:34 am

    The blown call on the ball Alex hit yesterday should never happen. That’s a pretty easy call and one of the umpires has to not only see the short hop but observe how the ball was caught and thrown back in. Umpires are going to miss some calls and there are some that are hard to even tell on replay what the correct call is but some of them just make you scratch your head….that play could easily have cost the Yankees the game yesterday.

  18. BIG AL July 27th, 2010 at 9:35 am

    MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:29 am
    86-

    two words. Instant replay.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I’m with you on instant replay, if, it’s done by a 5th umpire sitting in a replay booth, who could review the play in question in less than 1-2 minutes. That would slow the game down less than a manager arguing the play on the field.

  19. joeman July 27th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    # joeman July 27th, 2010 at 9:31 am

    again Joba needs to spend some time in the minors..this kid has been spoon fed
    # joeman July 27th, 2010 at 9:36 am

  20. joeman July 27th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    no doubt about it Montero will hit in the majors, but will he ever be good enough to catch in the majors at a decent level…still reading from scouts ( online) that he’s not making much progress….just asking

  21. Bronx Jeers July 27th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    MTU,

    “Mute” is good! Actually I don’t think Sat is a FOX game so we’re safe.

    When Ernie Harwell passed earlier this year they did an extended moment of silence on FOX. No voices….just the sounds of the game itself. It was quite nice.

  22. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Al-

    That’s a way I think it could be accomplished.

    Maybe a “challenge” system to get things started and iron out the kinks.

    I’m really tired of all the blown calls, and the out-of-shape umps who
    can’t get in the proper position to make them.

  23. Doreen July 27th, 2010 at 9:38 am

    86w183

    The second base ump needed to be wtching econd where surely the play was going to be. The umpires should know the base runners and fielders. If they’re aware that Granderson is fast and that Choo has a good arm, then they should know the play to be watching is at 2nd.

    What would they be watching at 1st? Whether Grandy touched the bag on his way to second? Perhaps, but that’s really not the play there.

    The positioning is poor and the gathering to “discuss” plays is a joke – it is extremely rare that an umpire overrules another, but it just may be that most of the haven’t seen the play in question anyway, so they can’t overrule.

    It’s getting to be out of control.

    It used to be just close plays, and I truly believe that those close plays that could easily go either way and are very difficult to pick up with the naked eye even out over the course of the season and I was okay with that. But there are now blatantly bad plays. And no common sense being executed at all, like the play last night with the “short hop.”

  24. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Bronx-

    mute is not only good.

    Sometimes it is your only friend. ;)

  25. austinmac July 27th, 2010 at 9:40 am

    It is now reported that the Rangers inquired about Oswalt even after getting Lee. Why is it the Rangers have more money to spend in bankruptcy than they have had outside it? If I am AROD’s lawyer, I am questioning any more money expenditures until the money due to him is secured.

    It now appears the only Yankee rumor is that they are fighting the Sox over Downs. Cantu, Ross, Wigginton, Soria, etc. don’t seem to be on the radar from what I can tell. Admittedly, Cashman’s first call isn’t to me telling me his thoughts.

  26. BIG AL July 27th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    MTU -

    I agree about the out of shape umps. They can’t move quickly enough to get into the correct position to make the call, thus being out of position to make the call correctly. Can you imagen a soccer ref trying to run up and down the field in the same condition our baseball umps are in, or football as well?

  27. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Austin-

    “Admittedly, Cashman’s first call isn’t to me telling me his thoughts.”

    That’s because he usually calls me first to spill the beans. :)

  28. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    I had to watch the Cleveland feed last night ( :( ), and they were trying their best to sell the “catch” on the ball Alex hit, but even they admitted that Granderson was safe

  29. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:43 am

    Al,

    Some of them look like they have trouble moving away from the dinner table. :)

  30. BIG AL July 27th, 2010 at 9:45 am

    MTU -

    Ha, Ha – You’re right, I was thinking they eat the dinner table.

  31. Blogger Formerly Known As Dan July 27th, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Banuelos tonight in Tampa. I’m pretty excited to get a look at him.

  32. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Al,

    The only time I have that problem is right after Thanksgiving dinner but that’s understandable. :)

  33. BIG AL July 27th, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Later folks – The Boss is calling!

  34. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 9:48 am

    pie

  35. Yanks732 July 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Does this affect Maris in any way??

  36. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Okay- sorry for that, but the good news is “pie” is not the word getting caught in the filter

  37. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    “I’m with you on instant replay, if, it’s done by a 5th umpire sitting in a replay booth, who could review the play in question in less than 1-2 minutes. That would slow the game down less than a manager arguing the play on the field.”

    Big Al-

    I feel the same way. Putting another official who can radio the correct call from a broadcast booth to the lead umpire would be the answer. Of course that wouldn’t encourage the existing umps to get in shape!! lol

  38. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    The Marlins left fielder got hurt while smashing a pie in someone’s face.

    I would like to post the link here, but the filter would not allow me

  39. austinmac July 27th, 2010 at 9:51 am

    MTU–I will be expecting a call from you right after you advise Cashman. I recommend you tell him to get Greinke and Soria for Chan Ho Park and Gaudin. :)

  40. Jason Voorhees July 27th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    The Marlins left fielder got hurt while smashing a pie in someone’s face.

    I would like to post the link here, but the filter would not allow me
    ———————————–

    It was last year’s Rookie of the Year Chris Coghlan. He tore his meniscus smashing the pie into Wes Helms’ face after Sunday’s walk-off.

  41. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Austin-

    Sorry. I promised Brian I wouldn’t betray his confidence.

    But I will give you subtle “hints”. He’s Ok’ed that.

    P.S. Did you like the photos ? :)

  42. Jim July 27th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    I thought the turning point of the game last night was the moment Girardi decided to take Vaszquez out of the game. I think he was spent and I think Girardi correctly recognized Vaszquez throwing to 1B instead of attacking the hitter as a sign that he was reluctant to throw the next pitch. That’s a telltale sign and kudos to Girardi for removing him and preserving the 1 run deficit that gave Granderson a chance to win it with one swing. That’s a ballsy move by Girardi and shows how much he’s maturing as a manager.

  43. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    Jason Voorhees July 27th, 2010 at 9:53 am

    It was last year?s Rookie of the Year Chris Coghlan. He tore his meniscus smashing the pie into Wes Helms? face after Sunday?s walk-off.
    ************

    Thank you. I was too frustrated after having the filter eat my post 4 times.

    I could understand how the guy on the Angels got hurt while celebreating his walk-off. jumping on home plate is very dangerous. Especially in a giant crowd.

    But I still can’t quite fathom how you can tear your knee while smashing a pie.

    I wonder if this will impact future walk-offs

  44. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Jim July 27th, 2010 at 9:54 am
    I thought the turning point of the game last night was the moment Girardi decided to take Vaszquez out of the game. I think he was spent and I think Girardi correctly recognized Vaszquez throwing to 1B instead of attacking the hitter as a sign that he was reluctant to throw the next pitch. That?s a telltale sign and kudos to Girardi for removing him and preserving the 1 run deficit that gave Granderson a chance to win it with one swing. That?s a ballsy move by Girardi and shows how much he?s maturing as a manager
    ***********

    I just would have liked to see Robertson finish the inning. All’s well that ends well. And I know he is playing for match-ups, but I didn’t see the harm in letting him get one more out

  45. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Erica-

    “But I still can’t quite fathom how you can tear your knee while smashing a pie. ”

    poor technique ! That would never happen to AJ. Never. :)

  46. austinmac July 27th, 2010 at 9:57 am

    MTU–I never found the photos. Sometimes this silly work thing interrupts my play. I am heading to Colorado on Thursday if it ever, ever gets here.

    I forgot that on this board we have to be careful not to out our sources by revealing too much inside information. That is not too big a problem from me because sadly enough my sources are you folks.

  47. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Jim July 27th, 2010 at 9:54 am
    I thought the turning point of the game last night was the moment Girardi decided to take Vaszquez out of the game.

    ************************
    Is it weird that I did a very Joba-like fist pump when I saw Robertson was coming in and not Joba? ;)

  48. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    MTU July 27th, 2010 at 9:56 am
    Erica-

    ?But I still can’t quite fathom how you can tear your knee while smashing a pie. ?

    poor technique ! That would never happen to AJ. Never.

    **************

    I have visions of the Yankees banning all future pie-ings as a result. So sad.
    “its all fun and games until someone gets hurt” :-(

  49. Doreen July 27th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    Erica -

    he was also jumping up and down in celebration.

  50. Apple byte July 27th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    As said by many, high on the discussions of business at the winter meetings this year should be the expansion of re-play decisions to include poor baserunning decisions by umpires along with the home run / fair-foul re-plays currently in use.
    The time it takes would be less than managers and players on the field arguing with umpires over bad calls.

  51. austinmac July 27th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Logan has looked very good lately. He has actually thrown strikes. He did hang a slider that was happily lined foul yesterday. If Marte comes back(as I think is expected), do the Yankees really want to expend significant prospects for another lefty?

  52. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Austin-

    If you feel comfortable doing so provide me with an e-mail address and I will shoot them over to you again.

    In case I forget. Have a great trip. Take a lot of pics and by all means please share them. ;)

  53. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    http://www.miamiherald.com/201.....ghlan.html

    Jumping up[getting a leaping start] to pie somone in the face could be considered cruel and unusual punishment to the pieee!!

  54. austinmac July 27th, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Erin, didn’t you know a fist pump is unsportsmanlike? I think you need to go study the unwritten rules.

  55. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    austinmac July 27th, 2010 at 10:01 am
    Erin, didn?t you know a fist pump is unsportsmanlike? I think you need to go study the unwritten rules.

    *********************************
    Oops. My bad. I’ll have to give Dallas Braden a call-hopefully he can give me a refresher course on all of the unwritten rules. ;)

  56. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Time to exercise the puppitos. :)

  57. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Chad-

    Could you ask Girardi, why he didn’t pinch run after DH Posada got a single. It worked out anyway. Also why not Robertson lead off the 8th inning instead of bringing Javy back out?

  58. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Throw overs are usually called from the bench. I think they were stalling until Robertson was ready.

  59. 86w183 July 27th, 2010 at 10:08 am

    He jumped around the guy to smack him in the face and landed funny. Pure idiocy.

    By the way it probably takes Cody Ross off the market.

    I’m in favor of replay and giving each manager two or three challenges. Yes there should be a replay official making the call, but God, no not a fifth umpire. They need to hire and train replay officials SPECIFICALLY for that task. He/she does not need to be a member of the crrew or, even worse a retired umpire.

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    This is a belated congratulations to both Matt Garza and Erica! Holy Toledo, there are beaucoup fantasy points associated with a no hitter! Of course, I wish it hadn’t come at my expense.

    ;)

    The good thing is that I didn’t find out until the end of the evening, so I didn’t have to have my entire night ruined, ha ha.

  61. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Sounds like a rookie mistake with the pie.

    AJ’s got it down to a science. :)

  62. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    trisha – true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 10:09 am
    This is a belated congratulations to both Matt Garza and Erica! Holy Toledo, there are beaucoup fantasy points associated with a no hitter! Of course, I wish it hadn?t come at my expense.
    ***********

    Thanks Trisha. Excellent display of sportsmanship. I was so excited when he got that last out. Fantasy baseball makes for very strange bedfellows. I felt like he really was one of my players. LOL

    Generally speaking, I think I was due for some decent pitching. No one on my team pitched particularly well last week (except for Pavano) and I lost by 20 points. I went 3-3 last night with 3 wins and 3 quality starts in 3 starts.

  63. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 10:16 am

    It is difficult to throw a no hitter against any team especially when Miguel Cabrera (and Johnny Damon ;) ) is in the lineup, so I don’t want to take away from Garza’s accomplishment, but wow did anyone else see the lineup the Tigers trotted out there last night?

    Their #2 hitter had 4 career at bats going into the game.

    6th hitter: .274 OBP
    7th: .250 OBP
    8th: .243 OBP
    9th: .280 OBP

    That looks like a split squad Spring Training game lineup.

  64. Doreen July 27th, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Yankee Trader -

    I would think if he pinch ran for Jorge, he’s only got one catcher in the game – and what if something happened to Cervelli?

  65. BIG AL July 27th, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Boone Logan has looked good of late. Not only is he throwing hard, but, he’s throwing strikes. He could turn out to be a solid RP down the stretch. I’d send Joba to the instructional leage to work on his pitching, not AAA, and then bring Alby back up.

  66. BIG AL July 27th, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Hope The Boss gets elected to the HOF.

  67. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Erica, funny you say that about fantasy players. It’s an odd thing but you do get that sense of kinship! At one point last year I had almost the entire Minnesota squad. Well it took me a while this season to break the tie I felt to them! And I actually resented that other members drafted them.

    I haven’t developed that relationship with Steven Strasburg yet because he just came up a while ago but I do watch all of the games where he pitches! (He really is awesome to watch.)

    :)

  68. upstate kate July 27th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    what is the latest on Ace? any chance of him being back this year?

  69. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 10:32 am

    LGY July 27th, 2010 at 10:16 am
    It is difficult to throw a no hitter against any team especially when Miguel Cabrera (and Johnny Damon ) is in the lineup, so I don?t want to take away from Garza?s accomplishment, but wow did anyone else see the lineup the Tigers trotted out there last night?

    Their #2 hitter had 4 career at bats going into the game.

    6th hitter: .274 OBP
    7th: .250 OBP
    8th: .243 OBP
    9th: .280 OBP

    That looks like a split squad Spring Training game lineup.
    ****************

    Which is precisely why the Tigers should now give up on their season and trade Johnny Damon back to the Yankees

  70. upstate kate July 27th, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Trisha
    nice to see you back…or have you been back and I just haven’t seen you?

  71. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Kate-

    Aceves is continuing a throwing program.

    It’s one step at a time with him.

    No return date at the moment.

    I wouldn’t expect too much from him. Back’s are tricky.

    Of to the Tushar Mtn.’s tomorrow to do some splorin’. :)

  72. sunny615 July 27th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    From FoxSports (Kaplisch) re: Joba:

    Fixing him, however, won’t be easy, as Chamberlain has lost the feel for that killer slider that was so unhittable in 2007. Back then, hitters chased 35 percent of his pitches out of the strike zone — most of them sliders. That’s how wickedly the ball dropped, as Chamberlain was able to generate incredible arm-speed.

    Unlike most sliders, which can be identified by a tiny red “dot” in the middle of the ball — that’s the illusion created by the spinning seams — the velocity of Chamberlain’s seam-spin was too fast to be detected. Hitters had no way of knowing they were attacking a slider until it was too late. They’d already started their swing by the time the ball was breaking away.

    Today, Chamberlain induces swings on only 28.9 percent of sliders out of the zone. Most aren’t even close enough to tempt hitters; too many of them bounce uselessly in the dirt and only serve to leave Chamberlain in bad counts.

    So much has changed for Chamberlain: his delivery and front leg are stiffer, his arm slot has dropped by a degree, and that slider malfunctions too often to be a coincidence. One major league scout said, “I don’t even recognize the slider (Chamberlain) is throwing anymore. It’s just not the same.”

    So – what happened and how do you fix that?

  73. sunny615 July 27th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Story link: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....ain-072610

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Hi Kate! It’s nice to be back. I returned only recently. :)

  75. upstate kate July 27th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    so it is still possible he could return this season (fingers crossed)

  76. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 10:40 am

    Kate-

    yes. possible. How long he could hold up if he returns ?????

  77. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 July 27th, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Is it true that Selig is banning the pie celebrations? What are odds Jeter hits a walk-off the day this rule is enforced….?

  78. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Hmmm. I’ve had two posts eaten and can’t figure out any offending words.

    Well the gist is that once again, it is foolish to put a lot of stock in trade rumors, referring to Montero being offered for Soria. People here should know that the only person on the Yankee side of the house who knows exactly what is being offered – if there is even any offer – is Brian Cashman. If you watched the unfolding of the Mark Teixeira deal or any other deal for that matter, you know Cashman is close to the vest.

    I think people on the forum who believe they have inside information should realize that all they are getting is rumors from other sources who believe they have the inside information. And when it doesn’t turn out to be the case, they all say the Yankees changed their minds! NO! Your sources had it wrong.

    It may be fun to speculate but people get their insides in a knot because they believe all this stuff and then none of it comes to fruition (witness Lee and Haren) and there’s mass forum disbelief and depression.

    Caveat emptor! Trade rumors are hardly ever reliable, no matter who is feeding them to you! Just remember that in your discussions and you’ll save yourselves a lot of agita.

    JMO and JTTH (just trying to help)

  79. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 10:44 am

    kate-here’s Chad’s notes on Ace from yesterday:

    Alfredo Aceves did long toss today and is scheduled to throw a bullpen this week. ?We?ve had more positive news this time,? Girardi said.

    Aceves is actually ahead of Damaso Marte, Girardi said. Marte played catch at 60 feet today. There?s no time table for either pitcher to return to the bullpen.

  80. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 10:46 am

    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 July 27th, 2010 at 10:42 am
    Is it true that Selig is banning the pie celebrations? What are odds Jeter hits a walk-off the day this rule is enforced?.?

    *******************************
    The last I saw, he’s “considering” it. I really hope he doesn’t ban them completely.

    Jeter must get pie!!!!

  81. upstate kate July 27th, 2010 at 10:47 am

    thanks Erin
    I know it is a long shot, but the fact that he hasn’t had surgery makes me hopeful he will return this year.

  82. upstate kate July 27th, 2010 at 10:49 am

    doesn’t Selig have better things to do w/ his time (instant replay for a start) than worry about pie celebrations?

  83. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 10:50 am

    This is from ESPN Insider about Scott Downs

    The competition for Blue Jays reliever Scott Downs may now be a two-horse race.

    A New York Post report says the Yankees and Red Sox are “nose to nose” in the battle for the veteran reliever.

    With Damaso Marte on the disabled list due to a shoulder problem, the Yankees? lone lefty option in the bullpen is Boone Logan. While Will Ohman also is available, the Yankees? clear preference is Downs.

    ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney reports via Twitter that rival clubs are curious what the Blue Jays would end up getting for Downs. Toronto believes Downs’ value is much higher than the typical reliever with his abilities because the lefty may be a Type A free agent and could net the club acquiring him this summer a first- or second-round draft pick.

    Rival executives tell Olney that the free-agent status shouldn’t matter because clubs aren’t going to give up those draft picks for a reliever such as Downs, who is not a closer.

    Robertson and Downs sharing the EIG. Downs could replace Park on the roster. Wonder what it would take to get him from the Jays? Nova? Alby?Miranda?

  84. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Kate-

    Don’t take too much from that. Most people try to avoid back surgery until they feel they have absolutely have no choice.

    Aceves is no different in that regard.

    It will take a great deal of luck to get much out of him this season.

    Get out your rabbitt’s foot and start rubbing it right now ! :)

  85. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    upstate kate July 27th, 2010 at 10:47 am
    thanks Erin
    I know it is a long shot, but the fact that he hasn?t had surgery makes me hopeful he will return this year.

    *************************
    kate-I’m hoping he can make it back too. Maybe the third time was the charm w/the epidural. :)

  86. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 10:52 am

    “I think people on the forum who believe they have inside information should realize that all they are getting is rumors from other sources who believe they have the inside information. And when it doesn’t turn out to be the case, they all say the Yankees changed their minds! NO! Your sources had it wrong.”

    ————————————————-

    Who on this board with inside information ever said the Yankees are definitely getting Cliff Lee or Dan Haren?

    Are you asserting that they were wrong about relaying information that the Yankees attempted to trade for those two?

  87. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Phil-

    I wouldn’t mind getting Downs if the price were right.

    However, I wouldn’t expect to be.

    Toronto will try to fleece the Yankees and the Sox will try to drive up the price.

    Not good conditions for making a deal.

    JMTC.

  88. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 10:55 am

    PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — Former U.S. Sen. Lincoln Chafee is questioning whether Boston Red Sox great Curt Schilling faked his bloody sock in Game 6 of the 2004 AL championship series.

    Chafee, a gubernatorial candidate in Rhode Island, criticized Schilling Tuesday to WPRO-AM, the day after state economic development officials approved a $75 million loan guarantee for Schilling’s video game company.

    Chafee said he doesn’t know if he trusts Schilling, and incorrectly said Schilling’s own teammates questioned whether Schilling faked his bloody sock. A Baltimore Orioles broadcaster claimed in 2007 that Sox catcher Doug Mirabelli said it was faked, but Mirabelli denied it, and the broadcaster later apologized.

    A Chafee spokesman said later that Chafee’s mistrust isn’t because of the sock, but because he’s using taxpayers’ money for a business with no track record.

  89. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    No, I am asserting that fans who soak up that information as if it is etched in stone really need a reality check, whether the information comes from the media or from well-intended forumites. The two recent nondeals alone should tell you that.

  90. Disco July 27th, 2010 at 10:57 am

    So when will the Vet Committee elect Bobby Grich to the Hall?

    Probably the most embarrassing thing in baseball history is that he only got 2.6% on the first ballot- meanwhile Jim Rice (LOL) is in.

  91. Doreen July 27th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    trisha -

    Well, wouldn’t that be interesting.

  92. Bob July 27th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Toronto will want much less for Downs from Boston than the Yankees. Toronto’s price: Montero, Romine, Nunez, Nova, Joba, Phil, and Mo.

  93. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 11:00 am

    “Well, wouldn’t that be interesting.”

    :)

  94. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 11:01 am

    Trisha-

    Well, one thing is perfectly clear from you posts above.

    Let me guess.

    You are not a big fan of the Sox.

    Am I close ? Getting warm ?

    P.S. Neither am I . :)

  95. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 11:03 am

    “No, I am asserting that fans who soak up that information as if it is etched in stone really need a reality check, whether the information comes from the media or from well-intended forumites. The two recent nondeals alone should tell you that.”

    ——————————————

    Can you please provide quotes from fans on here who soaked up that information etched in stone?

    Quotes in regard to mass forum disbelief and depression as well if possible?

  96. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    *as if it was etched*

  97. vinny-b July 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am

    is Scott Downs any good?

  98. Apple byte July 27th, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Now is the time to disregard rumors of deals. The deal for Cliff Lee was the nearest thing to etched in stone and we saw how that worked out.
    Too many media types / talking heads fueling rumors between now and the deadline on Saturday and all claiming credible sources.

  99. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 11:08 am

    MTU
    The only reason I could see the Yanks paying a higher price for Downs, is if they think Marte may not be of any help this year. With Boone Logan looking better and if Matre will be back then the Yanks can surely pass on Downs.

  100. Bill D July 27th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    “So when will the Vet Committee elect Bobby Grich to the Hall?”

    Hopefully around the time they get to Lou Whittaker, who was similarly dismissed from the ballot after failing to get 5% of the vote.

    Loved Grich. Watched him a lot at Memorial Stadium in his earlier days with the O’s. Terrific player.

  101. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 11:09 am

    For those with hypothetical trade overdoses…..

    4 Days, 4 hours, and 50 Minutes until the Trade Deadline!!!!

  102. upstate kate July 27th, 2010 at 11:12 am

    thanks for the count down Erica. I have gotten to the point where I don’t pay any attention to the trade rumors, I just hope to be pleasantly surprised.

  103. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Tell you what LGY. If you’re interested enough, go over the posts. Both from the Cliff Lee nontrade and the Dan Haren nontrade.

    I think LGY doth protest too much…

    ;)

  104. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Phil-

    I’m tired of seeing the Yankees get fleeced. I hope those days are behind us.

    I’m hoping there is a new “Sheriff” in town who has set the tone and laid down the law.

    Don’t misunderstand what I am saying. I still very much would love to see the Yanks close any perceived gaps in their game.

    Just not at “any” cost.

    I look forward to the possibility of CL in stripes next season.

    That gives me a great big warm fuzzy. :)

  105. Tom in N.J. July 27th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    For those with hypothetical trade overdoses…..

    4 Days, 4 hours, and 50 Minutes until the Trade Deadline!!!!

    —————————————

    Or, 4 days, 4 hours and 50 minutes until the blog starts talking about the complexity of making a waiver wire deal… :wink:

  106. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Accuscore is predicting good things for the rest of the Yankee season.
    Boston…. not so much

    http://sports.yahoo.com/top/ne.....cast072610

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    “thanks for the count down Erica. I have gotten to the point where I don’t pay any attention to the trade rumors, I just hope to be pleasantly surprised.”

    :)

    I the same, Kate.

  108. CountryClub July 27th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    I still think there’s a good chance that the Yanks make a splash (Downs doesn’t count). It will come out of nowhere though, because Cash keeps these things quiet.

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Tom in NJ – :)

  110. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Tom in N.J. July 27th, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Or, 4 days, 4 hours and 50 minutes until the blog starts talking about the complexity of making a waiver wire deal?
    *********

    LOL… I love when people freak out because one of their favorite players were placed on waivers.

    What most people don’t realize is almost every player on every team gets placed on waivers so that teams can try to pass through the players they really want

  111. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 11:16 am

    trisha,

    I am not trying to protest too much or be a pain in the butt. You posted something and I disagree with it like many other posts on here.

    I was hoping you could provide something to back up your claim, so potentially I could see where you are coming from.

  112. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 11:18 am

    trisha
    Video proof that the bloody sock was fake.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDfNeajJ7WE

  113. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Counselor, it is your right to disagree. If you ever want to go back over the days of posts dealing with virtually nothing but those nontrades, feel free to do so. You might find that some of those who proffered inside information seemed to be proferring it as a fait d’accompli. And you might also find that some fans were counting on the trade rumors to become as Yankee reality. If you dont’ read it that way, then you don’t.

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    CountryClub – agree.

  115. Bill D July 27th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    “I’m tired of seeing the Yankees get fleeced. I hope those days are behind us”

    Tired? When has it happened recently? Key deals the Yankees have made over the past 3 seasons or so have not been fleecings…….’cept for the acquisition of Swisher, which I assume you’re OK with. Vazquez deal was reasonable and seems to be working out for all parties involved. Same with Granderson. Even going back to Nady/Marte in ’08 they’ve did OK as Marte played a pretty significant role in the playoffs last year and the Pirates are starting to see decent return from Ohlendorf and Tabata. The good trades work out for both sides and I think the Yankees have been invovled in exactly those types of trades over the past few years.

  116. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Don’t you have the burden of proof in this matter? :lol:

  117. Chip July 27th, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Interesting note on MLB Traderumors today – after being swept by Philly the Rockies are considering changing course and becoming sellers over the course of this week.

    The report indicates that despite being only 5 games out of the wild card there are too many clubs in front of them for them to realistically jump them all with their current roster.

    If that’s the case Cashman should jump immediately – Huston Street and Clint Barmes would be fantastic pickups for this club and if the Rockies are serious about selling they would probably be two of the first guys moved.

    Barmes is a solid guy off the bench; but probably makes too much for the Rockies in that role

    As for Street – the Rox have a young closer waiting in the wings.

    I offer up Ramiro Pena, a decent prospect, and possibly Joba to get it done.

  118. Jason Voorhees July 27th, 2010 at 11:26 am

    I’m assuming you’re saying the Yankees did the fleecing in the Swisher deal…

  119. Tom in N.J. July 27th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Personally, I find hot stove talk to be fun. In fact, it one of the aspects of baseball that separates it from the other major sports.

    If it doesn’t interest you, so be it. It doesn’t make those who choose to get caught up in it wrong or intellectually inferior to those who don’t pay any mind to it. It’s sports, not some sort of exercise in stoicism.

  120. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Chip,

    Houston Street is signed through 2013.

    Why would they trade him?

  121. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Well since we’re still in the discovery phase, you asked for further information and I told you where to find it. In this economy I’m sure you realize that I can’t afford to be copying information, especially when you can get it free!

  122. vinny-b July 27th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    “Hopefully around the time they get to Lou Whittaker, who was similarly dismissed from the ballot after failing to get 5% of the vote.
    Loved Grich. Watched him a lot at Memorial Stadium in his earlier days with the O’s. Terrific player”
    —————————————-

    cast my vote for: Tim Raines and Lee Smith. Both were the dominant players of their era, and have the career numbers. Yes, Lee Smith was a dominant closer.

  123. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    I look forward to the possibility of CL in stripes next season.

    That gives me a great big warm fuzzy
    ***********

    I agree with you. I’m almost thinking that the Yanks will wait until the mid night hour this week, when the other teams make their offers and the Yanks can trump them if they want the player. Cashman knows what he wants and he will get it. Has the players and money to get it done.

  124. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Tom in N.J. July 27th, 2010 at 11:27 am
    Personally, I find hot stove talk to be fun. In fact, it one of the aspects of baseball that separates it from the other major sports.

    If it doesn?t interest you, so be it. It doesn?t make those who choose to get caught up in it wrong or intellectually inferior to those who don?t pay any mind to it. It?s sports, not some sort of exercise in stoicism.
    ****************

    I enjoy reading the rumors too. It just amazes me how few of them ever actually materialize.

    It just always seems like the deals that actually get completed have almost no buzz about them in advance

  125. Giuseppe Franco July 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Many on this board have argued that the Yanks got fleeced this past offseason in the Granderson deal.

    I wouldn’t say that because I’ve been a big believer in Granderson all season.

    But some fans are fickle and like to jump on and off the bandwagon as often as they change their underwear.

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue July 27th, 2010 at 11:31 am

    “Personally, I find hot stove talk to be fun. In fact, it one of the aspects of baseball that separates it from the other major sports.

    If it doesn’t interest you, so be it. It doesn’t make those who choose to get caught up in it wrong or intellectually inferior to those who don’t pay any mind to it. It’s sports, not some sort of exercise in stoicism.”

    I was actually separating hot stove talk from trade rumor that people accept as a done deal. When it isn’t. Is all.

  127. Doreen July 27th, 2010 at 11:32 am

    A deal is never done until it’s done.

    That being said, based on the Yankees own reactions to the Cliff Lee situation, I think it’s fair to say that it’s understandable that people were disappointed when it didn’t happen.

    But there were those of us who had a feeling it would happen just as it did, even as we were suckered in all day, even many who were not for the deal (trading Montero), coming to terms with it, welcoming Cliff Lee into the fold (heck, even Lee and Sabathia had a house picked out for him to move into!), only to be disappointed (even if we were ready for that disappointment) in the end.

    At least it was a real trade scenario being discussed.

    But as usually happens, the Yankees are linked to every name available in the trade market, and as someone pointed out yesterday, most reporters during this time are more concerned with being first than being right and print every blessed rumor that they hear, not caring how accurate, because you only have to be as accurate these days as your most recent tweet.

    I suspect more people have fun with the possibilities than actually believe the “deals” will come to fruition. Some people get their hopes up and some don’t. We’re all different, there’s room for all of us. No one is a fool for hoping that something they think is a good thing comes to be. Most move on if it doesn’t.

    But as Erica pointed it, thankfully, the deadline is almost here!!

  128. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Bill-

    What I really should have said is I am tired of teams trying to extract more from the Yanks than other teams in trades.

    I refer to the much ballyhooed “Yankee Tax”.

    I don’t want us having to pay that anymore. Unless we are talking strictly about money and not prospects.

    If you don’t think there is a “Yankee Tax” you are entitled to your opinion but I think their is. And I don’t like it.

    Sorry for the lack of precision before. :)

  129. Chip July 27th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    I would also like to go on record as saying I do not want the Yankees to trade for Scott Downs unless it costs them nothing to get him.

    Downs is old (for a ball player) and his K rate has decreased every year since he became a full-time reliever 4 years ago.

    The Yankees have not had any luck bringing in left handed specialists and I think Downs would be yet another disaster waiting to happen.

  130. Joe from Long Island July 27th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    GF – I’ve thought all along that this was a good deal. You’ve got to give to get, and I’m not surprised that Jackson, Coke, and IPK are contributing at the ML level for their teams. Granderson has had a rough season, with his early DL and prolonged slump. Maybe the last couple of games are signs that he’s ever so slowly coming out of it. But, it’s way too early to judge this deal. In any case, I really think the Yanks are still getting more out of it than if they didn’t make the deal, and kept those players.

  131. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Chip

    If talking about trading with the Rockies how about Ryan Spilborghs? Plays all the OF positions, bats RH and has a little bit of pop. Upgrade over Thames.

  132. Chip July 27th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Yankees didn’t get fleeced in the Granderson deal – if any team in that three team deal got fleeced it was Arizona. They gave up Scherzer and Schlereth for Edwin Jackson, who barring one good half season has stunk his entire career, and Kennedy who is at best a 4th starter.

  133. Joe from Long Island July 27th, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Oh, it’s just like free agency, where every agent tries to link his client with the Yankees, in an attempt to inflate the value of his client. Almost as if the Yanks have the best evaluations of players, so if THE YANKEES are interested, by definition my player must be worthy.

  134. Chip July 27th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 11:38 am
    Chip

    If talking about trading with the Rockies how about Ryan Spilborghs? Plays all the OF positions, bats RH and has a little bit of pop. Upgrade over Thames.
    ————————-

    Sounds good – I’m all for it. Though I think they would keep Thames around and send Colin Curtis to the minors.

  135. vinny-b July 27th, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Joe:

    I was a very big proponenet of the Granderson trade. And he is still my man.

    but in honesty, isn’t Austin Jackson better than Curtis Granderson?

  136. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Chip,

    Downs has not been just a LH specialist since becoming a full time reliever in 2007.

    He has been quite effective vs RHB since 2007.

  137. Januz July 27th, 2010 at 11:41 am

    What I do not understand about the Hall Of Fame (HOF) changes is how they will affect the ease or difficulty of getting guys elected. These are the guys who are very interesting cases: Obviously Mr. Steinbrenner, Ron Santo, Col. Ruppert, Tommy John, Gil Hodges, Bert Blyleven and Jack Morris (If the writters don’t put them in) and Marvin Miller.

  138. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 11:44 am

    Folks,

    I never said or meant to imply that the Yankees got fleeced in the Grandy trade or others.

    What I really meant was what I tried to state in my 11:33 post about the so-called “yankee Tax”.

    Sorry for any confusion I might have caused by my imprecise statement before that. :(

  139. austinmac July 27th, 2010 at 11:45 am

    MTU–I would be glad to give you my e-mail address, but how do I do that without publishing it to the world?

  140. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Austin-

    just send it to cybermrb03@gmail.com and I’ll take it from there.

    That work ? ;)

  141. Giuseppe Franco July 27th, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Joe,

    Agreed. People saw how Jackson got off to such a huge start as well as Coke pitch well for the Tigers, while Granderson slumped and he instantly became a favorite whipping boy on this board.

    As I said, I’m a believer in Granderson. I like his game. He’s got a lot of tools and he’s a very high character guy.

    We’ve all been disappointed with his production so far this season but he’s perfectly capable of turning things around as long as the fans remain patient with him.

    Long may need to break down his swing this offseason in similar ways that he did with Swisher and Gardner, but I have no doubt that Granderson has the skills to be a great player for this ball club over the next few years.

    I was never the biggest believer in hitting instructors being able to turn careers around, but I’ve seen it twice now with my own eyes and I won’t bet against him helping Granderson a great deal, too.

    He’s a bit of a project, but certainly worth fixing and not giving up on him in such a short time.

  142. Andrew July 27th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    “isn’t Austin Jackson better than Curtis Granderson?”

    If you value batting average above all else then yes you would consider Jackson the better player. Looking at the two players overall, and especially the fact that Granderson has established himself as a power hitting CF who is good defensively and has the 1 major deficiency of being horrible against LHP–and has shown that over more than just 4 months at the ML level, then I would say Granderson is still better. But I think to a lot of Yankees fans they will always pine for the player they could have had, as opposed to the guy they have, especially when the guy they have has underperformed in his very short time as a Yankee.

  143. Bill D July 27th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    “What I really meant was what I tried to state in my 11:33 post about the so-called “yankee Tax”.”

    Honestly MTU, I think that’s a myth rooted in the fact that we, like every other fanbase, tend to overrate our prospects.

  144. Giuseppe Franco July 27th, 2010 at 11:52 am

    MTU,

    My response wasn’t directed at you whatsoever. It was more of a response to Bill D’s comment @ 11:23.

  145. CountryClub July 27th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Good post on how Irabu turned into Swisher (no really).

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ent-992599

  146. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Bill-

    Like I said earlier, you are entitled to your opinion.

    But I don’t agree with you. And I don’t think it’s a Myth.

    I am not one to overrate our prospects or prospect hug. I think I have a fairly realistic view of our farm, and our guys.

    It’s just my take. I’m not trying to convince anyone. that’s not generally my bag.

    I prefer fun to argument. :)

  147. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    GF-

    Thanks. I was just trying to clarify in case I lead anyone astray. :)

  148. CountryClub July 27th, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Chip,

    Don’t forget that Downs is a Type A. If they can make a fair trade for him, he has value for the team during the rest of the season and value for the team in the off season.

  149. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Though it is only a few games in Granderson’s Yankee career, we have seen him win atleast 2 games with late game HRs. Boston and last night in Cleveland. I’m happy with Granderson and I think he is just now getting healthy and in a groove. The only thing I would like to see is, next year flip flop him and Gardner. Gardner’s speed plays much better in CF, a little bit wasted in LF.

  150. Joe from Long Island July 27th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    vinny-b –

    I’ll admit I haven’t watched Jackson play all that much – I think he was hurt and didn’t play the last series vs. Detroit- so all I have to go on is his stat line. It indicates to me a singles hitter who strikes out a lot – 4 times as many Ks as walks. Only 1 HR and 20 rbi – doesn’t seem that impressive.

    Now, this is his first season in the majors, so a lot can change. But, I don’t think the Yanks have missed that production from their lineup. I really think you have to evaluate this trade over the next couple of years, and see what happens to both their careers. Is this slump temporary for Granderson? Does Jackson continue to develop?

  151. CountryClub July 27th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    I’m pretty sure there’s a 3rd game grandy won with a late HR. It’s escaping me though.

  152. I Like Inge July 27th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    CountryClub July 27th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
    I’m pretty sure there’s a 3rd game grandy won with a late HR. It’s escaping me though.

    Arizona rubber game 10th inning bomb

  153. vinny-b July 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Joe:

    you make solid points. As do Phil and Andrew.

    in truth, when i look at the bulk of Granderson’s production in Detroit, along with his very high profile character, it should give Yankee fans optomism.

  154. Andrew July 27th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Also keep in mind the hope that Granderson might get a Swisher 2010-like “2nd year with Kevin Long as hitting instructor” performance bump in 2011. Obviously that’s not a given but as fans we can hope, at least. He has also been very durable over a 4 year span, this year’s groin injury aside, which has value especially since he plays CF.

  155. Bill D July 27th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    MTU:

    C’mon! Let’s argue! 8)

    FWIW, I have seen examples of what you’re talking about. Certainly the Schilling matter was one of the more obvious back in the winter of ’03. However, I don’t see where it has applied at all in this 2010 trade season. I know some feel that it might have been an issue in the Lee dealings, but I honestly believe the M’s, misguided as they may be, liked Smoak, Beavan and lesser prospects moreso than Montero, Adams et al.

  156. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Joe-

    I look at things slightly differently when it comes to trades and trading.

    As of yet, no one has invented the perfect instrument to look into the future, and because of that all GM’s are going to hit on some and miss on others.

    So, even if Jackson turns out to be a great player and better than Grandy, how can I truly fault Cash ? How could he KNOW the future.

    You have to give to get and with imperfect information at hand sometimes things don’t turn out the way you would have hoped.

    No GM bats a thousand and all of them make trades they wish they could take back.

    I think Cash does a good job and with the team they have in place now the “process” will continue to improve, and even fewer misses will occurr. But it will never approach zero.

    In a nutshell. I cut the guy some slack. It isn’t an easy job. :)

  157. CountryClub July 27th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Thanks, Inge.

  158. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Jackson is Gardner and Gardner is Jackson. The only difference is Jackson is doing it in Detroit and Gardner is doing it NY. We are seeing that Gardner is doing it in NY, would Jackson be ableto do it in NY.

  159. YankeeBlue222 July 27th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Don’t get me wrong, I still like this blog, but would it hurt Chad to give analysis/his own perspective on things once in awhile?

    It seems as if he just posts the same news I can read on ESPN, NYPost and other media outlets.

    That’s what I liked most about Pete. He had his own personal flair and give his two cents.

    Chad, please do more of this!

  160. YankeeBlue222 July 27th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    oops…*gave his two cents*

  161. I Like Inge July 27th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    You got it CountryClub. Granderson is one of my favorite players so I get a kick out of all his home runs and big hits.

  162. Joe from Long Island July 27th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    MTU – Oh, believe me, I know that you can’t predict the future, no matter how sophisticated you think you’re analysis is. Truer words were never spoken.

    Too often, people mistake the process of decision-making with the result of the decision. Like in so many other things, you can make a decision for all the right reasons, and still have things go wrong. That, as they say, is life.

  163. Bill D July 27th, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    “Jackson is Gardner and Gardner is Jackson. The only difference is Jackson is doing it in Detroit and Gardner is doing it NY. We are seeing that Gardner is doing it in NY, would Jackson be ableto do it in NY”

    An interesting point. However, consider the pressure on a kid being inserted into the leadoff spot, one of the most important roles in an offense, from day 1. Measure that against being inserted into the bottom third of an offensive juggernaut. Nobody can say for sure how either guy would perform had they been asked to switch roles, but I think it’s safe to say that they both had some pressure going into the season. Jackson’s based on where he was in the lineup. Gardner’s based on where he was on the planet.

  164. G-C July 27th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Scott Downs is exactly the type of reliever that is nearly a sure thing to disappoint here.

    I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole. In fact, I wouldn’t touch any “elite” relievers said to be available at the deadline with a ten foot pole. See Witasick, Jay, and Wohlers, Mark, or even Benitez, Armando, if you don’t know what I’m talking about.

  165. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    New Post: On the verge of 600: The same old Alex

    :arrow:

  166. vinny-b July 27th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    I like Inge:

    are you a detroit fan? If so, would you rather have Granderson or Austin Jackson?

  167. Lost July 27th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Yanks (my sources included) are reluctant to talk because of the Lee fiasco. Some think that big mouths spoiled their attempt to obtain Lee. Hence, the trickle of info about who they are pursuing or not.

    It is safe to say they are pursuing.. :P

    Wish I had more, but I don’t.

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