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On the verge of 600: The same old Alex

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 27, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Indians BaseballMarc Carig and I started talking about this last night…

Several weeks ago, Andy Pettitte was talking about Alex Rodriguez and said this: “He can tell me almost every pitch I’ve thrown throughout the course of a game… He’s always in the game. His head’s up. He’s always prepared. That’s why he’s such a great player.”

Last night, Rodriguez said this: “I chased in the first inning, a slider down, but Westbrook had good stuff. He had us off balance all day. With the exception of a 3-2 fastball away to Jorge, and I think it was a 1-0 changeup to Granderson, he didn’t make many mistakes.”

Pretty much every hitter in the game would have remembered swinging and missing at a slider out of the zone, but I’m not sure how many would have known the count on Posada’s single and Granderson’s home run. Especially not a player who wasn’t close to coming to the plate at the time of those hits. Gameday labeled the Granderson homer a fastball, not a changeup, but the point remains the same.

Rodriguez locks himself into the game. There have been times the past few days when he’s swung for the fences in pursuit of No. 600, but I can’t imagine there are many 599-homer guys who haven’t occasionally swung out of their shoes.

“People are screaming and flashbulbs are going,” Joe Girardi said. “He’s not going to be able to get away from it. He can’t.”

But he doesn’t have to let it affect him, and Rodriguez seems to be doing a pretty good job of that.

 
 

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229 Responses to “On the verge of 600: The same old Alex”

  1. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    It would be very cool if he could hit 600 on his birthday :)

  2. G-C July 27th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Not sure if its been discussed yet, but Andrew Brackman’s making quite an impression down in AA.

    He spun 6 2/3 scoreless innings, allowing just 2 hits, and striking out 8.

    ERA is now down to 3.58 as he picked up his second win there. He’s slowly, but very, very surely, working his way into top prospect status and it every day it looks like he’s a better and better bet to make an impact with the Yankees in 2011.

  3. sunny615 July 27th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    What is going on with the blog? I can’t seem to get a post to stick?

  4. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    A-rod is one of the players who would make a great manager in terms of field strategy and line up, or a good coach because of how he approaches everything. Dealing with people? Maybe not so much, but he has always impressed me with his ability to know whats going on in the game.

  5. sunny615 July 27th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    Verducci replorts : One team source said before the Angels obtained Haren that Amaro had been keeping an eye on the Yankees’ bid for Haren because the Phillies discussed sending Werth to the Yankees in a deal for Haren.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....z0utuRXr4c

    —–

    Again – I don’t see why the Yankees would want Werth…?? Swisher is already planted in right and I don’t see how Swish could play Left or Center without losing Gardner or Grandy… And with Posada’s slew of injuries lately, and Arod and Jeter’s need for some time off the DH spot is already pretty full… IF the Yanks had gotten Haren, what would propel them to swap him to the Phils for Werth?

  6. sunny615 July 27th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    Verducci replorts : One team source said before the Angels obtained Haren that Amaro had been keeping an eye on the Yankees’ bid for Haren because the Phillies discussed sending Werth to the Yankees in a deal for Haren.

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....z0utuRXr4c

    —–

    Again – I don’t see why the Yankees would want Werth…?? Swisher is already planted in right and I don’t see how Swish could play Left or Center without losing Gardner or Grandy… And with Posada’s slew of injuries lately, and Arod and Jeter’s need for some time off the DH spot is already pretty full… IF the Yanks had gotten Haren, what would propel them to swap him to the Phils for Werth?

  7. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    pcaldera A-Rod has 5 HRs on his birthday. The last one? July 27, 2004, at Toronto, off Ted Lilly.

  8. Doreen July 27th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Today’s Guess The Line Up is Now Open for Business

    Lineups can be submitted until 3 pm or until an official lineup is posted.

    Good luck! :)

  9. sunny615 July 27th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    sorry for the double post – this blog was giving me grief… and yes, Verducci does replort… sigh.

  10. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Did he maybe mean Vazquez? That would make some sense as the Phils are said to be looking for a #3 type starter for Werth.

  11. sunny615 July 27th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    would like it if this blog offered an option to delete your own post.

  12. JobaTipsHisCap July 27th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    I thought Denmark is a civilized country.

    http://www.snopes.com/photos/h.....inhunt.asp

  13. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    GTLU:

    SS Jeter
    RF Swisher
    1B Teixeira
    3B The Birthday Boy
    2B Cano
    C Posada
    DH Miranda
    CF Granderson
    LF Gardner

    Thanks!

  14. sunny615 July 27th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    no – he meant that if the Yanks got Haren from the Dbacks, they’d propose Werth for Haren from the Yankees. Again – I don’t see why the Yankees would need Werth… unless he’d be happy being a 4th outfielder? Or they were going to platoon him somehow against lefties (sit Grandy?) Don’t see how that would work well.

  15. I Like Inge July 27th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    vinny-b July 27th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
    I like Inge:

    are you a detroit fan? If so, would you rather have Granderson or Austin Jackson?

    —————————————

    Nah, I’m a Yankee fan. I actually think Brandon Inge sucks :) . I like Granderson over Jackson. I’ll take Granderson’s power and extra base-hit potential over Jackson, who has no power now and might or might not be able to develop it.

    Just my take on it. Granderson can wreck games right now with his bat even though his average his low and Ks too much.

  16. Joe from Long Island July 27th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Interesting article by Verducci. Left me wondering what, exactly, is Philadelphia trying to accomplish – they sure seem to be running in circles. And, I agree with him, the barring a Texas collapse in the August heat, the Angels are done this year. We’ll see how Haren does in the AL West. (I wonder if Cash was maneuvering primarily to thwart Boston from getting Haren?)

  17. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    ss jeter
    rf swish
    dh tex
    3b arod
    2b cano
    c jorge
    cf granderson
    1b miranda
    lf gardner

    Thanks Doreen

  18. YankeeRay July 27th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Jeter ss
    Swisher rf
    Tex 1b
    Arod 3b
    Cano 2b
    Posada c
    Granderson cf
    Miranda DH
    Gardner lf

  19. m July 27th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    The Phillies would want that, but why on earth would the Yankees? We give up good players for…a half season of Werth? Pssht.

  20. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Perhaps the Yankees would want Werth to play LF.

    They could flip Gardner in a package for Joakim Soria.

  21. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    sunny,

    The Yankees don’t have a DH.

    Werth would probably DH on most days and they would likely sit Granderson more often vs LHP, put Werth in the OF and DH Thames.

  22. stuckey99 July 27th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    LOL

  23. YankeeBlue222 July 27th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    GTLU:

    SS Jeter
    DH Swisher
    1B Teixeira
    3B ARod
    2B Cano
    CF Granderson
    RF Curtis
    C Cervelli
    LF Gardner

  24. YankeeBlue222 July 27th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    If we traded Gardner, I would cry myself to sleep every night. When you consider his salary, how is our most valuable player.

  25. YankeeBlue222 July 27th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    *he is our

  26. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Bret,

    Why would they do that?

    Trading Gardner would just put them in the same situation before they traded for Werth.

    One bat short and looking for a DH.

  27. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Maybe the Astros like Joba Chamberlain.

  28. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    sunny615
    I think getting Werth as a RH hitting OF would be a great move if the Yanks had an extra SP to trade such as Vazquez or even Haren. Werth could spell all the OF poitions, DH against LH pitching. Would also be valuable in the playoffs because he has been there and done that. Getting him abs would not be a problem. Type A FA, let him walk.

  29. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    stuckey,

    I’m not sure if you saw my post this morning, but you got some misinformation in regard to your trivia question about Joba yesterday.

    You would not make a good game show host :)

  30. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Why in the world would they trade Gardner???

  31. GoYanks July 27th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Brett the Hitman,

    You seem to include “Gardner” in every trade proposal; he is performing above expectations and is very inexpensive – don’t get it.

    Would you trade “Gardner” straight up to get “Melky” back? Just curious.

  32. PittsburghYankeeFan July 27th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    Sometimes I need to cover my eyes given some of the trade proposals floated here. I know it’s the Internet, but have some decency! There may be minors reading this blog!

  33. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    LGY July 27th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
    Bret,

    Why would they do that?

    Trading Gardner would just put them in the same situation before they traded for Werth.

    One bat short and looking for a DH.

    ************

    I don’t really think you can equate Gardner with Werth.

    There’s a huge gap in OPS.

    One bats righty and the lineup needs a righty.

    DH could be filled by Montero later or Thames or maybe even Nick Johnson.

    Werth makes this a better offense.

    He’s a definite upgrade.

  34. Lost July 27th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    [ repost ]

    Yanks (my sources included) are reluctant to talk because of the Lee fiasco. Some think that big mouths spoiled their attempt to obtain Lee. Hence, the trickle of info about who they are pursuing or not.

    It is safe to say they are pursuing..

    Wish I had more, but I don’t.

  35. Andrew July 27th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    No chance the Yankees are moving Gardner mid-season. If he’s going to be traded it would be in the offseason, in advance of or reacting to replacing him on the roster with another, potentially better left fielder. He’s a key part of why this team has the best record in baseball, and not the kind of guy “flipped” mid season.

  36. m July 27th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Of course Werth makes this offense better. But he’s a free agent. Sign him in the winter if that’s part of the plan.

    In some ways a Haren trade made even more sense (except for the fact that they weren’t that interested) than Lee because the contract is reasonable and Lee could be signed in the off season as well.

  37. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    GoYanks July 27th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
    Brett the Hitman,

    You seem to include “Gardner” in every trade proposal; he is performing above expectations and is very inexpensive – don’t get it.

    Would you trade “Gardner” straight up to get “Melky” back? Just curious.

    ********

    My name is spelled with one ‘T’

    I would not trade Gardner for Melky.

    But I’d definitely trade that rumored Joba package for Oswalt instead of Haren and flip Haren for Werth.

    Then I’d use Gardner to get Joakim Soria.

    Your BP has Joba.

    Mine has Soria.

    Your LF has Gardner.

    Mine has Werth.

    Think about that.

  38. Doreen July 27th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Lost -

    In the days of the internet, twitter, facebook, it must be more and more difficult to operate in “stealth” mode.

    It’s great to feel we have “finger on the pulse” of what’s going on, but if the flip side of that is deals being set asunder at the last minute because of too much information getting out, I’d be okay with not knowing.

  39. Andrew July 27th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Bret are the yours/mine’s you are referring to split between your PS3/MLB The Show franchise, and our real-life Yankees?

  40. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Edit: flip OSWALT for Werth.

  41. CR9 July 27th, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Lost

    Thanks for your updates. All updates are appreciated. I wish the Yankees would operate without allowing others information. The more people that have knowledge of the Yankees plans, the more likely one of those people is to attempt to hinder the Yankees efforts.

  42. G-C July 27th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Underrate Gardner at your own risk.

    His WPA (win probability added) this year is .90.

    Werth’s is .40.

    Thats a significant disparity. At the league minimum Gardner is one of this team’s most valuable commodities. Factor in his defense (phenominal) and baserunning, and he’s one of the best players on the team, period. One could argue that he’s been the third most valuable Yankee this year behind Cano and Swisher.

    I wouldn’t even consider trading Gardner for Werth straight up.

  43. Irreverent Discourse July 27th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    bret – i think you’ve gone off the deep end of the trade pool today pal :p

  44. billyjack July 27th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    “Then I’d use Gardner to get Joakim Soria.”

    Along with Jesus Montero and another big prospect and Gardy. The Royals won’t let Soria go cheap. He’s under their control for a while.

  45. m July 27th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    It’s amazing that Cashman is able to make any moves at all. Nobody wants to help us improve. There’s a tax, tariff, and a premium. And the Sox used to block us back in the day when they could afford to. :P

  46. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    m
    I think the only way the Yanks would have gone after Werth was if they had gotten Lee or Haren and had an extra SP. That pitcher would have been Javier. The Phils are looking for pitching. One FA for another. I wouldn’t want the Yanks to spend the money to sign Werth in the off season. I hope the only signings the Yanks do are Lee,Andy,Mo,Jeter and Joe.

  47. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    You’d have Joba in your pen.

    I’d have Soria.

    Your LF is Gardner.

    Mine is Werth.

    You’d lose.

  48. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    billyjack July 27th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
    “Then I’d use Gardner to get Joakim Soria.”

    Along with Jesus Montero and another big prospect and Gardy. The Royals won’t let Soria go cheap. He’s under their control for a while.

    *************

    Doubtful.

  49. CR9 July 27th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Bret

    How exactly do you think that Gardner would be enough to get Soria?

  50. Lost July 27th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Doreen:

    “In the days of the internet, twitter, facebook, it must be more and more difficult to operate in “stealth” mode.”

    Yankees are operating like Steve Jobs, “I’ll kick your tail if I hear a peep about anything”.

  51. m July 27th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Whomever you replace Gardner with in the lineup needs to have his patience, too. Is he still tops in # of pitches seen? There’s value in that. He doesn’t always have multi-hit games, but he still manages to get on base.

  52. Irreverent Discourse July 27th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    bret – considering none of those trades could possibly happen… you and him would have the same bullpen, and the same LF.

    and you would both still win, because the yankees don’t need either of them.

  53. billyjack July 27th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Bret The Hitman must be Omar Minaya.

  54. G-C July 27th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    “Your LF is Gardner.

    Mine is Werth.”

    ______________________________________

    Not an upgrade, period.

    Gardner’s defense and baserunning trumps any offensive advantage that Werth may have over him.

  55. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Werth would be a good get. if the phillies price comes down to B level minor leaguer starting pitching I’d want the yankees to go after him.

    The argument that the DH is too clogged to hold Werth doesn’t make sense. We never want to play Pena or Cervelli at a great rate. In the playoffs we CERTAINLY do not want to do that.

    The best lineup would be:

    Jeter
    Swisher
    Tex
    A-rod
    Cano
    Werth
    Posada
    Granderson
    Gardner

    I posted this before but you could:

    - sit granderson vs lefties, play Werth in LF
    - Give Tex a blow at 1st and play Swisher at 1st, Werth in RF
    - Give Swisher a day at DH and play Werth in RF
    - give Gardner a day off and play Werth in LF

    It would be a great move.

  56. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    CR9 July 27th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    Bret

    How exactly do you think that Gardner would be enough to get Soria?

    *******

    Plenty of posters on this board in this very thread are making the case for me. Just check their statements about his value.

  57. Irreverent Discourse July 27th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    m – best in baseball. 4.59

  58. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    And if we don’t sign him in the offseason we’d get 2 picks.

  59. Irreverent Discourse July 27th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    bret – it doesn’t matter what our perceived value of gardner is… soria is a cost controlled elite reliever. gardner isn’t enough on his best day.

  60. billyjack July 27th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    “billyjack July 27th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
    “Then I’d use Gardner to get Joakim Soria.”

    Along with Jesus Montero and another big prospect and Gardy. The Royals won’t let Soria go cheap. He’s under their control for a while.

    *************

    Doubtful.

    *************

    While the Yankees already dangled Montero for Soria and KC didn’t bite so it’s going to take a lot to pry him away. It’s like he’s a rental.

  61. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Half the teams in baseball have coveted Gardner, even BEFORE this season. Right now his value is at an all-time high. Likely to be included in a package for a big name. Not Soria (too small, a reliever? Please!)

    Gardner would be part of a package with Montero+ for a guy like Josh Johnson.

  62. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Bret,

    There are a whole litany of things the Yankees could have done and do to upgrade the team.

    They could have signed Holliday to a massive contract this past winter.

    The point is to balance present needs to with future interests.

    Presently, the club has the best record in baseball and is as close to a sure bet as you can get to make the playoffs.

    In the future, you trade Gardner and you are left with a huge hole in LF with no OF prospects in sight.

    How do you propose to fill that hole Gardner leaves for the next 4 years when he is under team control?

    Trading Gardner makes no sense.

  63. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    billyjack July 27th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    While the Yankees already dangled Montero for Soria

    *********

    Untrue.

  64. CR9 July 27th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Bret

    I’m aware of Gardner’s value. He is at peak value right now. However, even at peak value, he alone is not enough to get Soria. It would take some top prospects as well. A Montero or Romine perhaps plus more.

  65. Perlo July 27th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    You’d have Joba in your pen.

    I’d have Soria.

    Your LF is Gardner.

    Mine is Werth.

    You’d lose.
    ———————————————
    You just added $9 million this year without blinking an eye and several million more in the immediate years to come while fleecing the top of the farm system. Are you sure you’re not Jim Hendry in disguise?

  66. Anthony Murillo July 27th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    We know the blog is getting crazy when people think they could trade Brett Gardner for Soria.

    Yikes.

  67. Anthony Murillo July 27th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Come to think about it, things like that are why other fans make fun of us Yankee fans.

  68. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    CR9 July 27th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    Bret

    I’m aware of Gardner’s value. He is at peak value right now. However, even at peak value, he alone is not enough to get Soria. It would take some top prospects as well. A Montero or Romine perhaps plus more.
    **********

    According to Jerkface, Gardner + Montero perhaps plus more gets you Josh Johnson.

  69. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    A-the birthday boy-Rod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Granderson CF
    Thames DH
    GGBG LF

    I do not like line ups with Thames in them, but I am desperate for a GTLU win.
    Thanks as always Doreen :-)

  70. m July 27th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Irreverent,

    That’s awesome. Where does Jeter rank? He’s probably about a 2.09?

    Phil,

    That makes more sense.

    As far as Werth goes, I’m whatever. Werth/Crawford they’re both going to cost. Depends on how crazy the Yankees want the payroll to go, one or the other could be on the team next season. Good chance, they’re the top 2 FA OF.

    Here’s the Yankees committments. Almost $145m for 9 players expected to be on the 25 man roster. Don’t forget to add in a few dollars for Jeter, Rivera, and Lee. ;)

    http://spreadsheets.google.com.....utput=html

  71. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Relief is coming!

    4 Days, 2 Hours, and 52 Minutes until the Trade Deadline!

  72. sunny615 July 27th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Here’s something I found that’s interesting:

    September schedule: (H) – home (A) – away

    Yankees
    (H) Blue Jays (3 games)
    (H) O’s (3)
    (A) Rangers (3)
    (A) Rays (3)
    (A) O’s (3)
    (H) Rays (4)
    (H) Red Sox (3)
    (A) Blue Jays (3)
    (A) Red Sox (3)

    Red Sox:
    (A) O’s (2)
    (H) White Sox (3)
    (H) Rays (3)
    (A) A’s (3)
    (A) Mariners (3)
    (H) Blue Jays (3)
    (H) O’s (3)
    (A) Yankees (3)
    (A) White Sox (4)
    (H) Yankees (3)

    Rays:
    (H) Blue Jays (last game of 3 games)
    (A) O’s (3)
    (A) Red Sox (3)
    (A) Blue Jays (3)
    (H) Yankees (3)
    (H) Angels (3)
    (A) Yankees (4)
    (H) Mariners (3)
    (H) O’s (3)
    (A) Royals (4)

    BUT, the Yankees have the softest August of the three:

    August schedule: (H) – home (A) – away

    Yankees
    (A) Rays (last of 3 games)
    (H) Blue Jays (3)
    (H) Red Sox (4)
    (A) Rangers (2)
    (A) Royals (4)
    (H) Tigers (4)
    (H) Mariners (3)
    (A) Blue Jays (3)
    (A) White Sox (3)
    (H) A’s (4)

    Red Sox:
    (H) Tigers (last of 3 games)
    (H) Indians (4)
    (A) Yankees (4)
    (A) Blue Jays (3)
    (A) Rangers (3)
    (H) Angels (3)
    (H) Blue Jays (3)
    (H) Mariners (3)
    (A) Rays (3)
    (A) O’s (3)

    Rays:
    (H) Yankees (last game of 3 games)
    (H) Twins (4)
    (A) Blue Jays (3)
    (A) Tigers (3)
    (H) O’s (3)
    (H) Rangers (3)
    (A) A’s (4)
    (A) Angels (3)
    (H) Red Sox (3)
    (H) Blue Jays (4)

    So they need to romp in August to make space in case they have a not so good September.

  73. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Perlo July 27th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    You’d have Joba in your pen.

    I’d have Soria.

    Your LF is Gardner.

    Mine is Werth.

    You’d lose.
    ———————————————
    You just added $9 million this year without blinking an eye and several million more in the immediate years to come while fleecing the top of the farm system. Are you sure you’re not Jim Hendry in disguise?
    ****************************

    The top of the farm system would actually remain in tact.

    The Haren package of Joba + Nova + McAllister + becomes the Oswalt package.

    Oswalt is flipped for Werth.

    Gardner is flipped for Soria, along with a prospect our two outside of Montero/Romine/Betances/Brackman.

  74. stuckey99 July 27th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    LGY,

    I didn’t. I’d gladly be corrected if I was wrong about something. Care to bring it over?

  75. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    How about a 3 way deal with the Yankees getting Werth, Westbrook to the Phils and prospects from the Yanks to the Indians.

  76. PacoDooley July 27th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    I’ve been impressed with A-Rod during his time at 599. He has swung away a few times, but he has also had a lot of great at bats during that time. I didn’t look at his stats, but it seems like he has a fair number of during his ‘dry-spell’ since he hit 599. Very different from when he was at 499.

  77. CR9 July 27th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    Bret

    Face is on the right track. Gardner, Montero + other prospects might get you Josh Johnson. Even then, you may need another major league ready player. Perhaps Javier Vazquez (with his contract paid by the Yankees) so they get 2 picks for him as well.

  78. joeman July 27th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    if I’m Fla & your giving me Gardner + Montero for J Johnson I’m going to have a good laugh

  79. Bronx Jeers July 27th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    I have no idea if Alex would even be interested in continuing his career after his playing days are over but I think he’d be a great bench coach.

  80. CR9 July 27th, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Or in my last scenario, instead of Javier, you may need to take back a bad contract of the Marlins along with Josh Johnson.

  81. Tyler July 27th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    Perlo July 27th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    You’d have Joba in your pen.

    I’d have Soria.

    Your LF is Gardner.

    Mine is Werth.

    You’d lose.
    ———————————————
    You just added $9 million this year without blinking an eye and several million more in the immediate years to come while fleecing the top of the farm system. Are you sure you’re not Jim Hendry in disguise?
    ****************************

    The top of the farm system would actually remain in tact.

    The Haren package of Joba + Nova + McAllister + becomes the Oswalt package.

    Oswalt is flipped for Werth.

    Gardner is flipped for Soria, along with a prospect our two outside of Montero/Romine/Betances/Brackman.
    ——————————————–

    I highly doubt that the Yanks will acquire Oswalt (whom I don’t want them to get) and then flip him right away for Jason Werth. That seems illogical. If they want Werth just give up the prospects. Don’t give up the prospects and then trade the guy you gave up the prospects for… That’s just stupid.

  82. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    CR9 July 27th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
    Bret

    Face is on the right track. Gardner, Montero + other prospects might get you Josh Johnson.

    ********

    I don’t know what you’re arguing at this point.

    You asked me to ballpark Gardner’s value in a Soria trade.

    There’s plenty of posts here where you can see that he’s valuable enough to get Soria without giving up Montero.

    The reports about the Yankees dangling Montero for Soria are false.

    As CB said, the Royals front office likely leaked Montero’s name to the press (Stark) to try to set a bar on Soria offers.

  83. MG July 27th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Bret, your preoccupation with playing general manager and proposing trades 20 times a day, none of which can happen, is almost mind boggling.

    I would prefer you simply write the following, at least this is humorous:

    Cashman, Joba, Gardner, and 2 low level prospects for Pujols. DO IT!

  84. CR9 July 27th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Bret

    I’m not arguing anything. Im just pointing out that Gardner alone would not be enough for Soria. I never thought that the Yankees had interest in Montero for Soria. However, it would likely take a Romine or other prospects plus Gardner in exchange for Soria. There’s no way they take Gardner for Soria straight up, even though the Royals were high on Gardner prior to the season, and even though Gardner is at his peak value right now.

  85. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    stuckey,

    You said the answer to your trivia question about how many leads Joba has blown is 3.

    He does have 3 “blown saves.” But he has blown 5 leads and took a loss when he gave up the winning runs in a tie game.

  86. Perlo July 27th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    You just added $9 million this year without blinking an eye and several million more in the immediate years to come while fleecing the top of the farm system. Are you sure you’re not Jim Hendry in disguise?
    ****************************

    The top of the farm system would actually remain in tact.

    The Haren package of Joba + Nova + McAllister + becomes the Oswalt package.

    Oswalt is flipped for Werth.

    Gardner is flipped for Soria, along with a prospect our two outside of Montero/Romine/Betances/Brackman.
    ————————————————————————————–
    These proposals are not realistic. If there is one thing that I have observed over 2 1/2 years on this blog is the penchant of our fans to believe that other teams value our underperforming big leaguers (ie–Chamberlain, Granderson, etc.) and mid-level minor leaguers (ie–McAllister et al) to the extent that they would willingly give up their most valuable resources with team-friendly contracts.
    Joakim Soria is 26 y/o and signed below-market thru 2014. If you think Gardner (who I think is terrific–see Brett Butler) and a couple of marginal minor leaguers will get him, you’re not in touch with the reality of the situation.
    Oswalt? Drayton McLane loves him but is finally willingy to move him. Caveat? He makes $16 MILLION each of the next 2 years and as this is a salary dump, the ‘Stros aren’t eating it. Plus, the owner’s affinity for the player is still making him harder to move as they are requiring real prospects plus the money.
    At one time Joba had trade value. Right now, his value falls somewhere between jack, diddly and squat.

  87. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Tyler July 27th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    I highly doubt that the Yanks will acquire Oswalt (whom I don’t want them to get) and then flip him right away for Jason Werth. That seems illogical. If they want Werth just give up the prospects. Don’t give up the prospects and then trade the guy you gave up the prospects for… That’s just stupid.

    *************

    The Phillies need pitching. They’re not trading Werth to us for prospects.

    We’d have to get the pitching they need (Oswalt) so really we’re dealing with the Astros and maybe it’s a 3 way and maybe the Phillies kick in a prospect to the Stros as well.

    The fact is, the Joba package demanded by the D-Backs for Haren probably is enough to get Oswalt to the Phils for Werth.

  88. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Joelsherman1 confirmed http://bit.ly/cHu1Yt Joba has lost exclusive 8th-inning job, but #Yankees have no plans to send him to minors

  89. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    I was on the Josh Johnson to the Yanks train until the past few days. Once Cash was willing to include Montero in a deal, I thought that the salary dumping, low attendance Marlins would like to rid themselves of Johnson’s 13.75 mil a year contract in 2012 and 2013. But with them opening a new stadium in 2012, I’m sure they want to have a decent product to put on the field in their new ball park. Have to wait until 2014 to get him.

  90. m July 27th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Gardner has the most value to the Yankees as a starting OF. He’s not the dealbreaker or tipping point of a potential trade. If you trade him, you’re basically giving him away.

    And it costs you much, much more to replace him.

  91. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    If you think Gardner (who I think is terrific–see Brett Butler) and a couple of marginal minor leaguers will get him,
    **********

    Nobody said anything about marginal minor leaguers.

  92. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Perlo,

    I think you’re incorrect. Joba most definitely has value. More value than most players in the minor leagues outside of the Top 20 prospects.

  93. Chuck58 July 27th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Doreen, reckon I will try GTLU today :-)

    [1] SS Jeet
    [2] RF Swish
    [3]1B Tex
    [4]3B Alex
    [5]2B Canoe
    [6]C Sado
    [7]DH Miranda
    [8]CF Granderson
    [9]LF Brett the Jet

    Thanks!

  94. vinny-b July 27th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    anyone know what type of personality monkeys have?

    I think i would like a pet monkey.

  95. m July 27th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Erin,

    Well, that’s some news. The Yankees said what Girardi couldn’t. His heart is too soft. It’s been weeks in the coming.

    I’m disappointed, though that they’re not going to take advantage of the option. I think it would do Joba a world of good. Just going to hope for the best for Joba.

  96. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    m July 27th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
    Gardner has the most value to the Yankees as a starting OF. He’s not the dealbreaker or tipping point of a potential trade. If you trade him, you’re basically giving him away.
    **********

    If Cashman were to use him to acquire our future closer, he’s basically giving him away?

    I don’t see your point.

  97. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Chuck-this is good, we have the same lineup again today! :)

  98. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    If Cashman were to use him to acquire our future closer, he?s basically giving him away?

    Her point is that Gardner isn’t necessary for the deal, so its like wasting his value on a trade you could complete without him. Also Gardner is more valuable than a reliever.

  99. Bronx Jeers July 27th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Why would they want Jayson Werth again?

  100. Perlo July 27th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
    If you think Gardner (who I think is terrific–see Brett Butler) and a couple of marginal minor leaguers will get him,
    **********

    Nobody said anything about marginal minor leaguers.
    ——————————————————————
    You carved out 4 that you wouldn’t trade. How many “premium” minor leaguers does that leave?

  101. stuckey99 July 27th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    I’d like to point out that Bret’s utter fixation on trading Gardner is steeped in the same belief it’s always been.

    That Gardner has peaked as a player and that his current production is a mirage.

    He just never comes out and says that upfront.

  102. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    If Cashman were to use him to acquire our future closer, he?s basically giving him away?

    Her point is that Gardner isn’t necessary for the deal, so its like wasting his value on a trade you could complete without him.

    **********

    Maybe the Royals would demand him, maybe they wouldn’t. We don’t know.

    ************

    Also Gardner is more valuable than a reliever.

    *********

    According to CR9, it would take Gardner + Montero plus 2 others to get a reliever.

  103. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Brett gardner’s WAR , wins above replacement, is currently equal to our staff ace CC Sabathia and higher than everyone else on the team other than Swisher and Cano.

    Much much much more valuable than a closer.

  104. MG July 27th, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
    I was on the Josh Johnson to the Yanks train until the past few days. Once Cash was willing to include Montero in a deal, I thought that the salary dumping, low attendance Marlins would like to rid themselves of Johnson’s 13.75 mil a year contract in 2012 and 2013. But with them opening a new stadium in 2012, I’m sure they want to have a decent product to put on the field in their new ball park. Have to wait until 2014 to get him.
    ————————
    I live in South Florida, there is no way the Marlins are trading Josh Johnson, period. They have taken so much heat over a low payroll and uncompetitive team it would be a public relations (as well as an on field) disaster.

  105. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Perlo July 27th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
    Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
    If you think Gardner (who I think is terrific–see Brett Butler) and a couple of marginal minor leaguers will get him,
    **********

    Nobody said anything about marginal minor leaguers.
    ——————————————————————
    You carved out 4 that you wouldn’t trade. How many “premium” minor leaguers does that leave?

    ******************

    Enough. The Yankees have a handful of premium prospects and a plethora of better than marginal prospects outside of the top 4.

  106. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    What it would cost to get Soria =/= the value each player provides to the team.

    They are two completely different topics.

  107. Irreverent Discourse July 27th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    stop basing your opinion off of what other people here think someones value is… do some reasearch of your own.

  108. JM July 27th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Why in the world would the Marlins trade Josh Johnson, one of the faces of the franchise, before opening their new stadium which presumably they hope will greatly increase their revenue stream? I know the Marlins have made some stupid moves in the past I don’t think the Fish are THAT dumb.

  109. m July 27th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Jerkface got what I was saying. The Royals are interested in Gardner (from the rumors we’ve heard), but he’s not a deal-tipper from their POV. I don’t think he’s a dealbreaker from the Yankees POV, either. Especially if they plan on signing Carl Crawford.

    But taking Gardner out of the lineup shortens it.

    Anyway, in any of your scenarios Gardner’s not going anywhere this season.

  110. G-C July 27th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    “Brett gardner’s WAR , wins above replacement, is currently equal to our staff ace CC Sabathia and higher than everyone else on the team other than Swisher and Cano.

    Much much much more valuable than a closer.”

    _________________________________________________

    Yup. Underestimate his value at your own risk.

    His defense is nothing short of spectacular and his baserunning is terrific, and couple that with a nearly .400 OBP offensive player and you have one of the most valuable commodities in the league.

  111. Tyler July 27th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Bret-

    If that’s the cost to get Werth with the Phillies needing pitching than I think the Yanks should forget about Werth and if they want him in the offseason they can go after him. No way would I give up the package to get Oswalt and Oswalt for Werth. First of all, that’s not even close to realistic so this is a moot point and second of all, that is a huge overpayment on Werth. If the Phils want pitching maybe they will take a high upside pitching prospect like Jose Ramirez or somebody to reload their system. I actually still wouldn’t do that. Never been a big Jayson Werth fan.

  112. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Everyone shut up about Josh Johnson, I used him as an example of what Brett Gardner would be traded for. Not an actual trade that is rumored or potentially going to happen.

  113. Perlo July 27th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
    Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    If Cashman were to use him to acquire our future closer, he?s basically giving him away?

    Her point is that Gardner isn’t necessary for the deal, so its like wasting his value on a trade you could complete without him.

    **********

    Maybe the Royals would demand him, maybe they wouldn’t. We don’t know.

    ************

    Also Gardner is more valuable than a reliever.

    *********

    According to CR9, it would take Gardner + Montero plus 2 others to get a reliever.
    —————————————————————————————
    That’s because I believe Gardner is undervalued. If he were to maintain a similar level of full-time production to this year over the next 7-8 years, he certainly would have more value than a reliever topping out at 70-75 IP.

  114. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    m July 27th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    Erin,

    Well, that?s some news. The Yankees said what Girardi couldn?t. His heart is too soft. It?s been weeks in the coming.

    **************************
    m, exactly. This has been a LONG time coming.

    I wasn’t surprised yesterday before the game when Girardi insisted he would lean towards Joba in the 8th-it kind of reminded me of last year with “Bruney is my 8th inning guy”, and then out would come Hughes. lol

  115. Tyler July 27th, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    I agree with each poster on here who says there is no way that the Marlins trade Josh Johnson but even if he was on the block I don’t think the Yanks would even have enough to get him. It would take more than Montero and B level prospects. Would the Marlins really want Hughes and Montero for him? That wouldn’t even be enough imo. The guy has way too high of a value to even be traded…

  116. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    MG
    I agree with you. I’m sure they ownership is looking for the new ballpark to give them a huge revenue boost. If they don’t want to put a good product on the field, they should just stay in their current stadium or move out of south Flordia.

  117. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Given Gardners age, production, team control, and baseball abilities there is literally no reason for the Yankees to trade him except in a most extreme circumstance.

    Doubt Soria is that circumstance.

    You don’t trade Gardner for a luxury. Incredibly fast, on base, stolen base threat with plus defense that see’s the most pitches in the league per plate appearance don’t grow on trees.

  118. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Bronx Jeers July 27th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    Why would they want Jayson Werth again?
    *******

    Based on Verducci’s scoop that the Yankees were in on Werth, that’s a question you’d have to ask the Yankees.

    Obviously we’re trying to see where he’d fit in if it’s true that the Yanks are hot for him.

    Some say DH. Some say no because Posada needs too many AB’s at DH and there’s no place to put Werth in the OF.

    I’m speculating that the Yankees could find a place for Werth in LF if they are able to acquire our future closer with Gardner.

    If Gardner + a couple prospects outside the top 4 is not enough to land Soria, there’s no reason to trade for Werth because there’s no place to put him.

    Again, the Yankees are interested in Werth if Verducci’s right.

    Why?

    There’s no place to put him, right?

    Maybe there is.

  119. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Would the Marlins really want Hughes and Montero for him? That wouldn?t even be enough imo. The guy has way too high of a value to even be traded?

    The Marlins would probably trade Josh Johnson for Hughes + Montero + something. Yes.

  120. Giuseppe Franco July 27th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    I need Tylenol reading over these trade proposals.

    I’ll be glad when the deadline is over. Way too much nonsense that isn’t based in one iota of reality.

  121. stuckey99 July 27th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Brett Gardner WAR in 2010 – 2.9

    Jayson Werth WAR in 2010 – 2.4.

    But yeah, let’s use OPS which doesn’t take into account Garnder’s stolen bases (which OPS doesn’t factor), his speed on the bases, and his defense.

    Or his salary.

  122. Chuck58 July 27th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    That’s right, Erin! Good luck :-)
    I felt we’d see the main lineup with Miranda, a lefty, against the RHP.
    My worry was that Grandy, heating up, might bat 7th with Miranda eighth,
    but I like two fast guys in a row, so I went with our lineup.
    [That was the thought process]

  123. m July 27th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Well, at the very least Gardner answered the question of whether or not he’s an everyday player. :)

  124. Lori July 27th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Going to the game tomorrow night. Now I hope ARod doesn’t hit 600 tonight!

  125. Perlo July 27th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
    Bronx Jeers July 27th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
    Why would they want Jayson Werth again?
    *******

    Based on Verducci’s scoop that the Yankees were in on Werth, that’s a question you’d have to ask the Yankees.

    Obviously we’re trying to see where he’d fit in if it’s true that the Yanks are hot for him.

    Some say DH. Some say no because Posada needs too many AB’s at DH and there’s no place to put Werth in the OF.

    I’m speculating that the Yankees could find a place for Werth in LF if they are able to acquire our future closer with Gardner.

    If Gardner + a couple prospects outside the top 4 is not enough to land Soria, there’s no reason to trade for Werth because there’s no place to put him.

    Again, the Yankees are interested in Werth if Verducci’s right.

    Why?

    There’s no place to put him, right?

    Maybe there is.
    —————————————————————
    Small twist:
    If the Yanks bring on someone like Werth or Crawford on a long-term deal, where does that leave Jeter in 1-2 seasons? Isn’t LF ultimately calling?

  126. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    “Based on Verducci’s scoop that the Yankees were in on Werth, that’s a question you’d have to ask the Yankees.

    Obviously we’re trying to see where he’d fit in if it’s true that the Yanks are hot for him.”

    —————————————–

    Nowhere in Verducci’s article does it say that the Yankees were in on Werth.

    This is the quote:

    “Amaro had been keeping an eye on the Yankees’ bid for Haren because the Phillies discussed sending Werth to the Yankees in a deal for Haren.”

    The Phillies discussed sending Werth to the Yankees.

    It does not say the Phillies AND Yankees discussed a deal.

  127. Tyler July 27th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Jerkface-

    Wouldn’t it have to be Hughes (who is only 2 years younger than Johnson but is still more cost controlled), Montero, and a guy like Banuelos and Laird? That is ridiculous…

  128. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    I’d be happy with Downs who hasn’t yielded an earned run in his last seven relief appearances. Not counting on Marte anytime soon.

    Doreen-My GTLU

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    A-Rod 3B + hits #600- extra points? lol
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Granderson CF
    Miranda DH
    Gardner LF

    Thanks again-Picking Granderson to be MVP of Cleveland series.

  129. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    If Gardner + a couple prospects outside the top 4 is not enough to land Soria, there?s no reason to trade for Werth because there?s no place to put him.

    Again, the Yankees are interested in Werth if Verducci?s right.

    Why?

    There?s no place to put him, right?

    Maybe there is.

    You ignore my post in which I listed 4 defensive/offensive alignments where in we keep everyone on our team AND add werth? Just because people here say ‘Theres no room at DH!!!!’ doesn’t mean the Yankees think so. If they had the chance they’d play Posada at catcher and fill the DH with a real hitter.

    Right now we DO NOT HAVE THAT LUXURY. Our DH is Miranda or Thames, terrible! Its better than having Cervelli in the lineup but not by much. If you have a real threat at DH its easier to stomach Posada in the lineup, AND if that bat is better than posada (not difficult) then you don’t HAVE to play Posada at DH.

    Just like you don’t HAVE to play Jeter or A-rod at Dh.

    I said this yesterday. If you cannot find 100 games in a season for a REAL DH because of Posada/A-rod/Jeter then you’re in DEEP trouble.

  130. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Small twist:
    If the Yanks bring on someone like Werth or Crawford on a long-term deal, where does that leave Jeter in 1-2 seasons? Isn’t LF ultimately calling?

    *********

    Your argument just fell apart.

  131. Yank 97 July 27th, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    It is possible Chamberlain will be used as part of a mix in the eighth inning. But no longer does he have sole responsibility for the inning when he is available.

    What is not possible, at least for now, is sending Chamberlain to the minors for two major reasons: 1) The Yanks feel it would be a terrible message to bust somebody from main set-up man all the way to Scranton in one move, so they will try to fix him outside the eighth inning and 2) They do not believe Chamberlain is failing because of an attitude problem. Yankee officials actually consider Chamberlain a hard worker. In other words they are not looking at this how they viewed a situation with Melky Cabrera in 2008. That season the Yanks thought Cabrera had become lazy and that was a factor in his struggles, so they did demote him in mid-August to Triple-A.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....CS2bzxyDTJ

  132. m July 27th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Let’s just pretend we could get Soria. You don’t need Gardner to do it. If you feel so compelled to get Werth or Crawford, Gardner still has value to the Yankees. I don’t see the rush to get rid of Gardner. It’s not necessary and it’s not smart baseball.

  133. MG July 27th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    Can any of you expert general managers point out a single time in the HISTORY of baseball where the team with the best record goes out and makes enormous changes (on the order of moving multiple regulars) at the trading deadline?

    The answer is…. ZERO

    yet some of you continue to repeat trade proposals that would involve exactly that. Gardner is going nowhere in 2010 as is Vazquez, Hughes, etc, etc, etc. You don’t break up a team that is consistently winning and playing the best baseball in the majors for the hope of making slightly better. They won the WS last year with holes in the team, they can do the same thing this year.

  134. Giuseppe Franco July 27th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    Let me get this straight.

    The Yanks are going to trade one of their most valuable commodities this season (Gardner) for a guy the Royals have zero interest in trading (Soria) while taking on a player (Werth) who isn’t having nearly as good of a season as player who got traded to the Royals and is a FA at the end of the season on top of it?

    Sigh.

  135. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    It?s not necessary and it?s not smart baseball.

    This should be the lesson we take from today. Teams don’t just trade a player like Gardner because they can.

  136. Tyler July 27th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Giuseppe Franco July 27th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
    Let me get this straight.

    The Yanks are going to trade one of their most valuable commodities this season (Gardner) for a guy the Royals have zero interest in trading (Soria) while taking on a player (Werth) who isn?t having nearly as good of a season as player who got traded to the Royals and is a FA at the end of the season on top of it?

    Sigh.

    ————————

    Omar Minaya just signed off on the deal.

  137. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    LGY July 27th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    The Phillies discussed sending Werth to the Yankees.

    It does not say the Phillies AND Yankees discussed a deal.

    **********

    Those statements leave open speculation that the Yankees could be in on Werth.

    If they truly are, I just fleshed out a scenario where Werth fits.

    If you don’t believe the Yankees are hot for Werth then maybe you should’ve just said so from the beginning and not engaged me in conversation.

    Would’ve been much easier, I think.

  138. Dassit July 27th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    I need Tylenol reading over these trade proposals.

    I’ll be glad when the deadline is over. Way too much nonsense that isn’t based in one iota of reality.

    ————
    You think this will be over when it’s August 1st? Bret will probably keep on posting which trades might occur for players who might clear waivers during the next month.

  139. sunny615 July 27th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Werth is an upgrade over Thames, but not at said salary. I’d rather get a good reliever. But yes, Montero or Gardner or whoever is too high for someone who pitches one inning. No thanks. I’d rather experiment again with Albie or Melancon.

  140. upstate kate July 27th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    yikes, I almost forgot about GTLU again:

    SS Jeet
    RF Swish
    1B Tex
    3B Birthday Boy
    2B Robbie
    C Po
    CF Grandy
    DH Miranda
    LF GGBG

    going w/ the popular selection
    thanks Doreen

  141. Perlo July 27th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
    Small twist:
    If the Yanks bring on someone like Werth or Crawford on a long-term deal, where does that leave Jeter in 1-2 seasons? Isn’t LF ultimately calling?

    *********

    Your argument just fell apart.
    ———————————————————-
    Speak English. That’s just a mildly related thought.

  142. Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    I’m not familiar at all with Scott Downs, but no thanks; the Jays will demand more from the Yankees than they do from the Sox and I’m just not willing to pay good prospects (Yankee tax) for some reliever who will probably fail.

  143. m July 27th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Joba might not have a bad attitude or work ethic. But I think he’s feeling all kinds of pressure. Trying to fix him under the glare and spotlight that shines on the Yankees might not be the best thing. A lot of the work needs to be done in the offseason.

  144. Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    M, I don’t agree and I don’t think the Yankees agreed. They obviously saw/see Lee as a real difference maker and they didn’t feel/don’t feel the same way about Haren.

  145. Fran the original July 27th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Doreen,

    Here is my line-up

    Derek SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    Alex 3B
    Robbie 2B
    Jorge C
    Granderson LF
    Miranda DH
    Gardner LF

    Thanks Doreen :)

    Sorry Erica but I am leaving Pena on the bench ,)

  146. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    m July 27th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
    Let’s just pretend we could get Soria. You don’t need Gardner to do it.

    ****************

    If we could get Soria without needing to give up Gardner, I don’t see why the Yankees would be interested in Werth.

    I hate Posada’s defense.

    I think he’s cooked.

    In my view, he’s the frequent DH this year and the primary DH next year.

    If that’s the case, the Yankees will have to carry a weak bat at catcher next year and therefore Werth/Crawford in LF is more necessary along with Soria in the pen instead of Gardner in LF, Posada DH’ing, a weak bat at catcher and Joba in the pen.

  147. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    GF
    Do Aleve it works better. IMO

    The more I looked at Ryan Spilboughs stats, the more I like this guy. He has hit .304 in 158 PA as a pinch hitter. Great asset to have for the playoffs, plays off the bench and plays all 3 outfield positions. Kind of guy that Cash added last year in Hinske and Hairston, but a little better.

  148. stuckey99 July 27th, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    Saturday can’t come soon enough…

    “He does have 3 “blown saves.” But he has blown 5 leads and took a loss when he gave up the winning runs in a tie game.”

    Fair enough.

    Thanks for the correction. I was under the assumption any blown lead was a blown save. I find it odd MLB doesn’t give you a blown save for blowing a larger than 3 run lead.

    I understand not being able to ‘create your own save’”, but I thought you could “create” your own blown save.

    My mistake.

  149. m July 27th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Betsy,

    I didn’t say that’s what the Yankees were thinking, but I said it makes more sense. In that both Lee and Werth are going to be free agents so many days after the world series.

  150. Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Well, Sherman’s tweet, if true, tells me that Joba is not in the Yankees’ long term plans. However – who wants him? They can’t seem to get rid of him……

  151. Irreverent Discourse July 27th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    m – jeter is at 3.54, 69th in the league.

  152. Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    M, I know what you said – I was disagreeing with you.

  153. Chuck58 July 27th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Uh-oh, Erin – Fran has a different GTLU than we do! :-D

  154. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Fran-

    Its okay. We posted the same line up :-)

  155. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Like I said, maybe the Astros want him.

    The D-backs did.

    NL teams so far…

    We’ll see…

  156. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    m-

    “Joba might not have a bad attitude or work ethic. But I think he’s feeling all kinds of pressure. Trying to fix him under the glare and spotlight that shines on the Yankees might not be the best thing. A lot of the work needs to be done in the offseason.”

    This. :)

    But he may not be here. :(

  157. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Joba, I mean.

  158. LGY July 27th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    “My mistake.”

    ————————–

    You need to send that post to Randy :lol:

  159. bisonthrow July 27th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    GTLU

    SS JETE
    RF SWISH
    1B TEX
    3B AROD
    2B CANO
    C POSADA
    CF GRANDERSON
    DH MIRANDA
    LF GARDNER

  160. m July 27th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Bret,

    Are you that fixated on Soria? Are you saying their interest in Werth is dependent on a Gardner for Soria trade?

    If they’re interested in Werth, they’re interested in Werth.

    And, hello?! If anything, the Yankees keep Gardner on the bench. He’s not a deal maker or breaker for any deal for what we need which is Lee, Soria, or a big bat.

    4 more years of a cost-controlled starting OF (who doesn’t necessarily have to start or block you from getting other coveted players) >>>> than anything you have suggested.

  161. Chip July 27th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Another trade that wasn’t: SI’s Tom Verducci says the Phillies discussed sending Jayson Werth to the Yankees as part of a deal for Dan Haren before the righty went to the Angels.

    So much for SJ’s sources saying that the Yankees and Phillies never discussed a Jayson Werth deal.

  162. Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Good luck to the Yankees trying to fix Joba – but clearly they think of him as a reliever and not a starter. Unless they think he can take over for Mo, they should trade him while they can.

  163. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    m July 27th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
    Bret,

    Are you that fixated on Soria? Are you saying their interest in Werth is dependent on a Gardner for Soria trade?

    If they’re interested in Werth, they’re interested in Werth.

    ************

    Are you that fixated on 8th inning guy by committee? Do you think the Yankees are? What if the Royals would trade Soria for Gardner? What if the Yankees could turn Joba + into Werth to replace him?

  164. Nick in SF July 27th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    “The best lineup would be:

    Jeter
    Swisher
    Tex…” etc.

    Best lineup has Jeter leading off, Jerkface???? You’re way too sentimental to make out best lineups.

  165. Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    Chip, that does not say the Yankees and Phillies discussed a deal; it says the Phillies discussed it amongst themselves.

  166. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    I get the feeling that our Lohud “GM” is actually Steve Phillips and he misses the hunt…the big block busters. Unfortunately for for him, it’s his block that would get busted.

  167. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    If we could get Soria without needing to give up Gardner, I don?t see why the Yankees would be interested in Werth.

    For all the reasons I listed above. You might hate Posada’s defense, but as long as he can catch he has more value behind the plate.

  168. Giuseppe Franco July 27th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Not the biggest fan of Sherman, but if his column has an ounce of truth to it at all, it does clearly retort the fan base’s perception of Joba’s work ethic and attitude.

    I’m sure the kid has pride and he sure as hell isn’t oblivious to his struggles.

    But a lot of fans would prefer to punish him rather than take the time to fix him.

  169. Erica in NY July 27th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Nick in SF July 27th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    ?The best lineup would be:

    Jeter
    Swisher
    Tex?? etc.

    Best lineup has Jeter leading off, Jerkface???? You?re way too sentimental to make out best lineups.
    ****************

    isn’t jerkface known on this blog for being a giant softee?

  170. blake July 27th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    That kind of preparation and natural talent is the primary reason Alex is knocking on the door of 600.

    Sadly he made some poor decisions a few years ago and he’ll never be recognized for it the way he should be. I firmly believe Arod would be close to this number if he had never taken anything at all but unfortunately we will never know. Folks will continue to assume that it was all because of the juice and there is no way to prove it wasn’t. I stiL appreciate his talent and am glad he’s a Yankee. Hope he gets it tonight.

  171. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Chip July 27th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
    Another trade that wasn’t: SI’s Tom Verducci says the Phillies discussed sending Jayson Werth to the Yankees as part of a deal for Dan Haren before the righty went to the Angels.

    So much for SJ’s sources saying that the Yankees and Phillies never discussed a Jayson Werth deal.

    ************

    SJ said that the Yankees and Phillies discussed prospects for Werth but Werth’s cost was prohibitive. It’s possible the Phillies would use those prospects to get Haren or Oswalt.

  172. Chip July 27th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Soria makes no sense for the Yankees.

    He’s too expensive (in terms of prospects) for the role that he’ll fill.

    Picking him up and saying he’s the closer in waiting is like saying that the Yankees should trade for Jose Reyes to serve as a utility infielder so that they’ll have a short stop for when Jeter is done.

  173. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Best lineup has Jeter leading off, Jerkface???? You?re way too sentimental to make out best lineups

    Jeter has way more clout than me, I’d get killed for dropping him to 9th (where he belongs)

  174. upstate kate July 27th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    OK here is my dilemma…the 2 teams I dislike the most (red sox and angels) are playing each other. I don’t want either one to make the play offs. Who do I root for? I think it has to be the Angels…they are not in our division and at least they have Bobby and Sui.

  175. m July 27th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Bret,

    I am not interested in 8th by committee. It’s basically Robertson’s job now. Yankees FO has confirmed it through Sherman. And technically it is by committee. THE EIG doesn’t pitch everyday.

    And I still don’t think the deal breaker is Gardner.

    I think the deal breaker is whether or not the Royals want to move Soria at this time. If and when they decide to move him, I believe that it won’t cost the Yankees Gardner.

  176. Chuck58 July 27th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    That’s good, Kate. Then, just root for Tejas to crush the Rally Monkeys :-)

  177. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    GreenBeret,

    If the posters you’re kissing up to had their way, Jeter would be in LF batting 9th.

  178. Warning Track Power July 27th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Jeter-SS
    Swisher-RF
    Tex-1B
    ARod-3B
    Cano-2B
    Posada-C
    Granderson-CF
    Miranda-DH
    Gardner-LF

  179. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    GB-

    Tutto benne ?

    and

    Buona fortuna ?

    Si ?

    :)

  180. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Jeter to LF was a good idea…5 years ago!

  181. upstate kate July 27th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    wait ,Jerkface a softee? I thought he was a serial killer, or was that a cereal killer?

  182. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    upstate kate July 27th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    OK here is my dilemma…the 2 teams I dislike the most (red sox and angels) are playing each other. I don’t want either one to make the play offs. Who do I root for? I think it has to be the Angels…they are not in our division and at least they have Bobby and Sui.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Root for back to back 33 inning games and a split.

  183. Nick in SF July 27th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Count Chocula has gone into hiding.

  184. Northy July 27th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    @Joba tips his cap

    I am from Denmark, and our article is from the Faroe Islands, which in fact is part of the Kingdom of Denmark, just like Greenland is.

    But both The Faroe Islands and Greenland have selfauthority and parliaments who is in charge of domestic politics.

    The danish Government is still in charge of the foreign policy of Greenland and The Faroe Island.

    Denmark is a civilized country, but on the Faroe Island hunting for whales is a tradition which has taken place for hundreds of years.
    It is up to the authorities of The Faroe Island to stop this – not the Danish Goverment

  185. Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Blake, that’s how I feel about Alex; it’s too bad he made such a dumb decision. However, I don’t care if there isn’t another person in the world who cares if he hits #600; when he does, I will be cheering him.

  186. justinxdance27 July 27th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Captain SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    Birthday Boy 3B
    Cano 2B
    Sado C
    Grandy CF
    Miranda DH
    GGBG LF

    Thanks Doreen!

  187. Bronx Jeers July 27th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    It’s clear as day that Chan Ho has suffered from “Samson syndrome” this season.

    How do we know that Werth and Soria won’t fall suffer a similar fate?

  188. Fran the original July 27th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Chuck,
    The line-up you and Erin posted was my second choice :) .

    Kate,
    I dislike both teams also but the Angels are the lesser of 2 evils IMO

  189. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    GB-

    “Root for back to back 33 inning games and a split.”

    I see there is a great white snark circling our area again. :)

  190. Phil in Columbus July 27th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    kate
    Gotta go for the Angels the next couple days. The Sox could be 11 games out in the loss column to the Yanks after Wednesday if the Yanks take care of business in Cleveland. Say bye bye Sox.

  191. Chip July 27th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
    Chip, that does not say the Yankees and Phillies discussed a deal; it says the Phillies discussed it amongst themselves.
    —————————

    Betsy – I don’t think the Phillies were talking to themselves.

  192. Yank 97 July 27th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    8th inning “by committee”

    Translation: Robertson and maybe Logan against a tough lefty.

  193. sunny615 July 27th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    I guess JB Cox has fallen off the map eh?

  194. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    MTU July 27th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
    GB-

    Tutto benne ?

    and

    Buona fortuna ?

    Si ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I’m still learning English.

  195. Chip July 27th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    upstate kate July 27th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    OK here is my dilemma?the 2 teams I dislike the most (red sox and angels) are playing each other. I don?t want either one to make the play offs. Who do I root for? I think it has to be the Angels?they are not in our division and at least they have Bobby and Sui.
    —————-

    Root for the Angels to beat Boston and injuries on both sides.

  196. theyankeewarrior July 27th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    Dear Brett the Hitman,

    Brett Gardner is not enough to get Soria from the Royals. You can not site “plenty of people on this blog” as your source for why Gardner can net Soria.

    No one truly knows what it will take to trade for someone. As fans, we can speculate, but it’s ludicrous to argue on a blog like this what the Yankees “should do”. Your comments suggest that Cashman has the choice to make all the moves you’re suggesting without the consent of the other teams.

    The Royals have Soria signed at below market rate for three more seasons after this one. Gardner is just having his first ML success. He’s far from a sure thing.

    And who says the Yankees can just replace him with Werth? The Phillies. That’s who. We don’t get to tell other teams what they will take from us. They do.

  197. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    m July 27th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    And I still don’t think the deal breaker is Gardner.

    I think the deal breaker is whether or not the Royals want to move Soria at this time. If and when they decide to move him, I believe that it won’t cost the Yankees Gardner.

    ************

    I believe if the Yankees were willing to offer Gardner, it would motivate the Royals to move Soria. I don’t know what’s going on with Mo. Maybe he has secretly confirmed he’s retiring. I don’t know how badly the Yankees need Soria this year rather than waiting. I don’t know if waiting would invite a bidding war with the Sox who could be cutting ties with Papelbon at that point.

    I do think offering Gardner would be compelling to the Royals.

  198. Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Really Chip? You don’t think teams ever have internal discussions? News to me………

  199. Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Root for teams to suffer injuries? Ok………..

    Soria is not going to be a Yankee; the Royals have NO interest in trading him. They’ve already turned down Montero………nuff said.

  200. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    theyankeewarrior July 27th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
    Dear Brett the Hitman,

    Brett Gardner is not enough to get Soria from the Royals. You can not site “plenty of people on this blog” as your source for why Gardner can net Soria.

    *************

    Some posters claim he’s not enough to get Soria.

    Others insist he’s too much.

    I’m not getting caught in the middle of that war.

    I’m not going to let someone lay down behind my knees while the other guy knocks me over him.

  201. m July 27th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Fair enough, Bret.

    I agree that Gardner would be compelling especially to the Royals.

  202. joeman July 27th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    # Giuseppe Franco July 27th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    I need Tylenol reading over these trade proposals.

    I’ll be glad when the deadline is over. Way too much nonsense that isn’t based in one iota of reality.
    —————————————————
    ———————————————————————————–

    Stai zitto!

  203. Jason Voorhees July 27th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Please keep taking everything said literally.

  204. blake July 27th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    If you don’t have a dominant (second closer) type arm in your bullpen then why shoul you have a set EIG and pretend like you do? I have no problem with them playing whatever matchup best gets the ball in Rivera’s hand with the lead still intact….that should be more important than having a set role for a guy to pitch the 8th inning IMO.

  205. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    GB-

    “I’m still learning English.”

    And learning how to type. ;)

  206. Bret The Hitman July 27th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    They’ve already turned down Montero………nuff said.

    *************

    The Yankees denied it.

    Believe who you want.

  207. SJ44 July 27th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Chip,

    If you are going to quote me, get the facts correct. I said the Yankees weren’t spinning Vazquez for Werth if they acquired Lee.

    If they moved Vazquez to Philadelphia, it would have been for prospects.

    Since Vazquez has a partial no trade clause, this deal was discussed with his representatives since they would have to sign off on it in order for it to happen.

    In other words, the source is impeccible.

    In addition, they did ask about Werth and when they were told the cost, they passed.

    They had no “discussions” on Werth because the cost was too prohibitive in which to bid.

    That was as of last Thursday.

    Could something have changed between last Thursday and today? Sure.

    Its still doubtful they get Werth.

    Bret,

    The problem with all your various trade scenarios is twofold:

    1. They aren’t remaking the team at the deadline because they don’t have to. Every move you are proposing involves them pretty much remaking the team. No team with the best record in baseball does that in the middle of the season.

    2. The moves involve trading cost controlled players, who are productive like Gardner, to take on more payroll. Really, much more payroll and the Yankees aren’t going to do that.

  208. Chuck58 July 27th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    haha! Thanks, Fran! [a little residual luck never hurt!]

  209. Jerkface July 27th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Gardner would be compelling to the Royals, but it would not be compelling to the Yankees to give up Gardner.

  210. Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Also, considering that Girardi already said that the Yankees do not want to put Phil in the pen prior to the end of the season, it’s hard to take Sherman’s blog about Joba seriously

    ***They also imagine that, at some point, Phil Hughes could go into the pen to keep him under his innings cap while bolstering the relief crew***

    That’s what Sherman wrote – and that goes against what Joe has said.

  211. Doreen July 27th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    The following people have submitted lineups for GTLU so far today. If you don’t see your name, please let me know.

    Erin
    Phil in Columbus
    YankeeRay
    YankeeBlue222
    Erica
    Chuck58
    Yankee Trader
    upstate kate
    Fran (the original)
    bisonthrow
    Warning Track Power

  212. Perlo July 27th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    I believe if the Yankees were willing to offer Gardner, it would motivate the Royals to move Soria. I don’t know what’s going on with Mo. Maybe he has secretly confirmed he’s retiring. I don’t know how badly the Yankees need Soria this year rather than waiting. I don’t know if waiting would invite a bidding war with the Sox who could be cutting ties with Papelbon at that point.

    I do think offering Gardner would be compelling to the Royals.
    ————————————————————————————-
    There will be no Red Sox bidding war. Papelbon will likely be allowed to walk after 2011 and Bard will move to the back of the pen. They have numerous live arms to fill their pen.

    It generally makes much more sense to sign young premium players via FA (or better yet via internal development) than trading for them as they near FA (Money + prospects).

  213. Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Blake, most hitters are RH – so, what matchups are we talking about? Is Joe going to base who faces what hitter based on a few at -bats that Joba and D-Rob have had against them? That doesn’t make a lot of sense. Joba has failed, so now let D-Rob have a chance…….

  214. GGBG July 27th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Is there any way to get rid of the characters that don’t display properly?

  215. Betsy July 27th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Denied what, Bret? Either way, you go ahead and think the Yankees are getting Soria without giving up Hughes, Montero and a few other top prospects. That makes a lot of sense.

  216. Yank 97 July 27th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    If the Yankees are indeed interested in acquiring Kansas City Royals All-Star closer Joakim Soria, they will face one more hurdle — a no-trade clause. The Yankees are one of the six teams on Soria’s no-trade list, a baseball official with knowledge of the contract tells ESPN New York.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5413863

  217. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    GF, it’ll take more than Tylenol. Short of a bullet, the next best thing would a drug induced coma.

  218. GreenBeret7 July 27th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    GGBG July 27th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
    Is there any way to get rid of the characters that don’t display properly?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    No. Unfortunately, the characters will be around until their computers stop working.

  219. stuckey99 July 27th, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    “I believe if the Yankees were willing to offer Gardner, it would motivate the Royals to move Soria. ”

    And for my next trick, I’m going to tell you what’s in your purse…

  220. MTU July 27th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    GB-

    I asked if you were OK ?

    Everything good ?

    How on earth were you able to escape Wratchet’s clutches so quickly this time ?

    Was is the bear grease ? :)

  221. theyankeewarrior July 27th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    BTHM,

    Again, forget what “posters” say. We don’t mean anything. That’s the point. All we can do is talk about what WE think WE would give up for Soria. Not what will actually get a deal done. We dont know. No one does besides Cashman and the Royals GM.

    Speculation on whether Gardner can net Soria is fine, but don’t pretend like you have the answer because you would just do this or do that. It’s not black and white. We dont know what these guys costs are. And also, remember that there are 10+ other teams in MLB that are trying to improve their pen too.

    The Yankees aren’t the only team in the world with trade chips. And Brett Gardner isn’t the best one out there.

    It’s all about getting the best value for the player. Gardner and Romine might not get it done if another team offers more.

  222. YankFanCA July 27th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Some of these comments today offer screaming evidence of the necessity of state-sponsored castration in certain instances.

  223. champ809 July 27th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    Chip

    the Reyes/Soria analogy is just dumb.

    Soria would pitch in almost every game that Mo pitched in and would have an immediate impact on the club now.

    It’ would be the ’96 Yanks model all over again where the Yanks played 6 inning games because they had Mo for the 7th and 8th and Wetteland for the 9th except 100 times better as Wetteland is no ‘mo.

    If you are running Soria out in the 7th and 8th innings then Mariano in the 9th the game is over. period.

    The Yanks would be locks to repeat this fall and it again would be in house insurance should Mariano get injured late Aug/Sept.

    It’s nothing like trading for Reyes and having him sit on the bench 3-4 games a week. Shame on you because you know better than that.

    It’s one thing if you don’t agree with the probable price of acquiring Soria but there really is no argument with the philosophy benind the move from Ca$h’s point of view as it helps him to accomplish 3 things;

    1-shoring up the 1 glaring weakness on the current club with the best available option making them a much tougher out come sept. most would say a lock…

    2- giving them an insurance policy should the most important player on the team- Mo- get hurt at anytime the remainder of this season and postseason…remember he pitched the whole last postseason in extreme pain

    3- having the next best closer in the game in house to assume the role should Mariano decide to hang up his cleats after this season or next season.

  224. Erin July 27th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    New Post: Happy Birthday Alex Rodriguez

    :arrow:

  225. blake July 27th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Betsy,

    I’m talking about situations like yesterday. Like bringing in a lefty to face Choo instead of sticking with Robertson because he’s your “EIG”. There are situations where you’d want to stay with a guy the whole inning and I think Drob (at least for now) should get the bulk of time in the 8th but I just don’t think you should be married to that if something else makes more sense.

  226. YankeeBlue222 July 27th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    I would argue that Gardner has been the MVP of this team this season. WHY would you give him up for an EIG. Makes no sense.

  227. stuckey99 July 27th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    I’m find myself agreeing more and more with Giuseppe. He’s apparently a more socially-skilled me.

    I think some fans are intent on punishing Joba Chamberlain, and that includes those who advocate trading for him.

    The guy is a mess right now, but he still has a live arm.

    There are a handful of people in the world who can thrown the ball 94 MPH consistently and up to 97 on occasion, and right now he’s being bested by the small handful of people in the world who can turn around a 94mph fastball.

    The bottom line is Chamberlain’s upside is higher than what he can currently get back in a trade. And he’s still VERY young.

    And can still thrown in the mid-90′s.

    Trading him now is an emotional overreaction.

  228. justinxdance27 July 27th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    The following people have submitted lineups for GTLU so far today. If you don’t see your name, please let me know.

    mine was posted 2:02

  229. hardwired7 July 29th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    test

    The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down

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