MLB teams with Stand Up To Cancer
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 28, 2010 
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I will admit I know nothing about this other than what was included in the press release from Major League Baseball, but I’m more than happy to promote anything that has to do with cancer research. Here’s what I know from the league.
Stand Up To Cancer (SU2C), the charitable initiative supporting groundbreaking research aimed at getting new cancer treatments to patients in an accelerated timeframe, and MLB.com, the official Web site of Major League Baseball, announced today a new online program for fans to contribute directly to cancer research while honoring loved ones touched by cancer with customized baseball virtual goods from their favorite ballparks.
“Stand Up to Cancer is thrilled to continue our long-standing partnership with Major League Baseball, through MLB.com and Stand Up Stadiums. It’s a platform that allows baseball fans everywhere to help make real progress against cancer,” says SU2C co-founder Laura Ziskin. “As a person living with cancer, I also know that this tribute space will make a personal difference in the lives of patients, survivors, and all of us in the fight.”
The program, MLB.com Stand Up Stadiums, will be supported at launch by a public service announcement created by MLB.com and SU2C that will be shown on ballpark video boards and available at MLB.com and Club Web sites. This initiative will give fans the opportunity to make a donation to SU2C online at MLB.com/standupstadiums and receive virtual seats, suites, bases and pitcher’s mounds from any of the 30 Major League Baseball ballparks, each with customized branding and personal messages to honor loved ones impacted by cancer.
After choosing their favorite team and ballpark, fans can select the virtual piece of the stadium they’d like to dedicate. The minimum donations will be tiered based on the items available, including $5 per ballpark seat, $100 per suite, $200 per base and $500 per pitcher’s mound.
Individual donations at each tier may be increased as desired. Before completing the donation, fans can enter a dedication name, write a personal commemorative message and upload a digital photograph to customize their virtual items. Fans will be able to preview their items before ordering in a special team-branded gallery page. The donor will have a unique web page link to display and share the virtual item with friends, families, co-workers and others touched by cancer via e-mail and across social networking platforms.
Very cool idea.
In the previous article, Chad wrote, “Asked about the back end of the double play, though, Girardi only nodded his head to acknowledged that he?d seen the replay. Girardi wouldn?t comment, but it was pretty clear that he considered that a blown call.”
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What does this mean Chad? The guy at 1st base was clearly safe? It was closer than Teixeira was the other night, but he was safe.
I read in another blog that Jeter messed that play up and I agree. If Jeter would have thrown harder to Cano (which Cano expected), he would not have left early and he would have turned the DP.
As for Downs, he is not a guy who is better against lefties so I am not sure the need for him (he is a good arm, but I would not be going crazy for a 34 year old rental)
3 Days, 6 hours, and 24 Minutes until the Trade Deadline!!
From MLB Trade Rumors:
Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos has the best reliever available in Scott Downs, and he knows it. Check out these asking prices for two months of Downs’ services, courtesy of George A. King III of the New York Post: Joba Chamberlain from the Yankees, Casey Kelly or Jose Iglesias from the Red Sox. With almost 80 hours remaining until the trade deadline, it doesn’t hurt to ask.
Two Words: NO CHANCE
Erica in NY July 28th, 2010 at 9:36 am
3 Days, 6 hours, and 24 Minutes until the Trade Deadline!!
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13 hours and 15 minutes until Andy’s on Center Stage! ( i had to….)
By the way – I love that Peter Angelos doesn’t want to send Ty Wiggington or Miguel Tejada to the Yankees because “he doesn’t want to deal to a rival”
Memo to Angelos – At this point the Yankees and O’s are rivals in much the same way a hammer and nail are rivals or my foot and an ant are rivals…When one side wins and the other side stinks that’s not a rivalry; that’s a beat down.
NYY626 – Andy in 2011 July 28th, 2010 at 9:44 am
13 hours and 15 minutes until Andy?s on Center Stage! ( i had to?.)
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The only problem with your countdown is that you assume the game ends on time.
Although, I appreciate the reminder. I have to DVR
“On July 18, 1989, all of the repercussions of the 1986 loss—the decline and now end of his baseball career and serious marital and financial difficulties—along with his battle with alcoholism, drug abuse, and severe depression, finally overcame him”
Bill D/Stuckey
It has been documented via ESPN and other media outlets that his depression was the direct result of the ’86 series. I don’t have any proof of this, but I would imagine that his marital and financial difficulties stemmed from the loss as well. As you said, things are never as simple as they seem.
Chip:
Don’t think the Jays HAVE to trade Downs, but if they want to do so, the price will come down between now and Saturday.
Its the one thing that newer GM’s have yet to figure out in their jobs.
The goal of making a trade is to not fleece the other guy. If that’s your goal, you won’t make deals and your teams won’t improve.
As far as the commonly held “logic” that its “better to hold onto the guy and get the draft picks”, really?
Out of the over 1500 players drafted annually, less than 3% ever make it to the majors.
If you (a GM) can get a quality major league player in a trade, why are you settling for draft picks and the long odds you will eventually (years down the road) have a quality major league player on your roster?
Some of these bookworm GM’s haven’t figured that out yet.
Erica in NY July 28th, 2010 at 9:46 am
NYY626 – Andy in 2011 July 28th, 2010 at 9:44 am
13 hours and 15 minutes until Andy?s on Center Stage! ( i had to?.)
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The only problem with your countdown is that you assume the game ends on time.
Although, I appreciate the reminder. I have to DVR
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You’re probably right. The last 2 nights the games were pretty short so murphy’s law says tonight will be a 4 hour slugfest. Uggg I’m never going to bed tonight lol
I would prefer a good hitter over a relief pitcher, unless the Yankees feel Nick Johnson could contribute when he comes back, and there’s your acquisition for a good patient hitter. Not sure who can come in and take the pressure off of Tex and A-Rod to significantly produce every night. Matsui and Damon used to do that quite well.
Pure speculation, CR9, not documentation. Lot of pitchers have thrown that same pitch. How’s Mitch Williams making out these days? Has Byun Yung Kim been found hanging from a rafter? Ralph Branca still manages some 50+ years later. To attribute all of Moore’s problems to one pitch that preceded his death by some 3 years is just dumb.
SJ -
I half agree with your statement:
GM’s, especially new GM’s want to come out as clear winners in any trade they’re in (especially when dealing within their division) and often ask for the moon and stars rather than accepting that in a trade both teams generally take risks.
On the other hand, if you’re not in a position where you have to make a trade then there’s no reason to settle for less than what you want. As GM of the Blue Jays, Anthopolus is not required to help the Yankees or Red Sox so if all he’s being offered are guys with questionable major league futures at best then why not hold out for the picks? Sure, the guys Toronto may draft in the first and supplemental rounds may not develop, but they likely have a higher upside than the B or C level prospects that the Yankees and Sox would feel comfortable parting with.
SJ44 July 28th, 2010 at 9:53 am
LOL! I agree SJ! It seems like they are all impressed with potential and shy away from steady results. I guess they all want to make a name for themselves quickly by signing a star draftee or fleecing as you said a team like Yanks/RSox/etc.
Everyone seems to want results now to show how impressive they are. Kind of like the last place Little League team all getting trophies! I digress!
NYY626 – Andy in 2011 July 28th, 2010 at 9:56 am
You?re probably right. The last 2 nights the games were pretty short so murphy?s law says tonight will be a 4 hour slugfest. Uggg I?m never going to bed tonight lol
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I have been sick since Sunday and started an office epidemic. I didn’t mind the early ending games the last two nights because I took a dose of NyQuil in the 8th inning and went to sleep nice and early.
But you are probably right. Murphy’s Law means tonight will be a 4 hour game
The problem with the Yanks getting a hitter is that other than Adam Dunn, there doesn’t seem to be an impact hitter available that fits the Yanks’ needs, and Dunn may not be traded and if he is, he’ll cost a fortune in return.
The Yanks need to get a better bench player or two, and they should, but it isn’t going to help the way Hairston and Hinske did last year, because players like them don’t seem to be available either.
There are a lot of teams in the playoff hunt scrum right now, and too many teams chasing too few players.
I really wish the Yanks had managed to land Haren. I believe the Yanks could have put together a better offer than the DBacks ultimately got.
Bill D/Stuckey
First, neither Kim nor Mitch gave up a HR when they were about to win a series.
Second, what relevance do Mitch and Kim have to Donnie Moore. Donnie Moore is a completely different person, and Moore was involved in completely different scenario – being 1 out away from a World Series. Who knows, maybe knowing his team laid down and flopped the rest of the series drove him to the edge.
“Out of the over 1500 players drafted annually, less than 3% ever make it to the majors”
That’s not quite the fairest respresentation of things, is it? What’s the percentage of draft picks selected among the 1st 45 players that make it to the majors? That’s what we’re talking about, no?
That said, I have a hard time believing anyone will let their 1st rounder go in order to procure the services of a releiver in his mid 30′s. If Toronto does offer him arb, he may well accept. I think the price comes down before Saturday.
Bob
I would say that Robbie and Swish have taken the pressure off Tex and Alex quite nicely this year
“Donnie Moore is a completely different person, and Moore was involved in completely different scenario – being 1 out away from a World Series.”
Branca was one out from the World Series too. Mitch Williams? He was three outs from sending his team to Game 7 of the World Series before losing the lead, Game 6, and the World Series on the same pitch.
You’re right about one thing though. They were all completely different people. It’s those differences that speak more to how their respective lives progressed after the low points of their professional careers than the moments themselves did.
CR9,
I haven’t really been following the conversation but I’m sure you’re taking about Donnie Moore and it does seem like you’re really out of touch on this one.
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Scott Downs has been very good for more than a few years and Joba makes me nauseous at times…. but no.
The Sox actually need him more than the Yanks do.
The trading game works both ways with teams balancing the needs on the MLB level with the more talented prospects who may or may not make it for any number of reasons.
Then of course there are the financial ramifications. Arizona is getting ripped over the Haren trade from a talent perspective, but they saved $ 31 Million in future obligations and that’s not chump change.
If I were Toronto I’d try to get Boone Logan and another prospect (McAllister?) from the Yanks. They aren’t likely to get a compensation draft pick with more talent than Logan.
Then again, if I’m the Yanks I might prefer to keep Logan who is eight years younger and much cheaper
Scott Downs will be a 35 year old LH reliever who is not viewed as a closer and will have Type A status attached to him.
He makes $4 million this year and if he were to accept arbitration he would obviously get a raise.
I am not sure it is realistic to expect Scott Downs to turn down arbitration and get the picks.
His best bet financially could very likely be to just accepts arbitration.
Bill D – That’s a fair and interesting question, maybe a bit more pertinent, as you suggest. Still, there are plenty of 1st-2nd rounders who don’t pan out, in every organization. To me, that suggests that there is a lot of uncertainty when trying to project HS and college level players. I think you can still make a good case for taking a proven ML player, even a useful bench player, over a relatively unknown quantity. The Stephen Strasburgs of the world excluded, of course.
“Rarely has a more devastating pitch been thrown for a long-suffering franchise, and Moore unfortunately never got over it. He continued to brood over it, and eventually committed suicide in 1989. ”
I seem so out of touch!
Bll D/Stuckey
The fact is, every person handles adversity differently. In this case, the adversity of blowing that game is what caused the tragic downward spiral of Moore’s life.
The Blue Jays can shove it. They are ridiculous.
First and second round busts are actually more prevelent in baseball than the other sports.
Mainly because its a big projection game at the upper levels of the draft.
For example, look at the Top 5 picks in Jeter’s draft year.
At the time, many draft “experts” felt Chad Mottola was the best value in the draft because he was going to develop into “sure fire 30 HR hitters at the major league level”. The Reds drafted him in front of Jeter IIRC.
The baseball draft is a real crapshoot and that’s before we even get into the issue of signability.
For teams to hold a hard line on protecting draft picks is ridiculous. Especially when the teams doing it never seem to improve.
Too many of these newer GM’s would rather have Baseball America kudos than win championships. Its something I can’t quite figure out because its not like that in other sports.
For example, no NFL GM cares what Mel Kiper thinks of their draft. Yet, there are GM’s in MLB who care what Baseball America thinks of their farm system and drafts each year.
Its an oddity in the game, IMO.
Wow supposedly the Blue Jays asked for Montero as compensation for Downs.
Jon Heyman SI_JonHeyman #jays asked #yankees for montero for scott downs. toronto may not want to trade within the division
Thats crazy. The market for relief pitches is insane right now. I would like to add someone, but if teams are asking for this much I would rather just stick with what we have. Robertson has been really good and same with Logan. Also, when the playoffs come around we will be able to move one (or two) of our starters into the bullpen. I think that for now though, the Yankees will be fine with Robertson and Logan sharing the 8th inning role.
The market for relievers fell apart when the White Sox found their way back into the race in the AL Central. What can we say about Scott Downs? He’s not an elite reliever per se but would require top talent in return. Toronto’s asking price results from the limited number of quality relievers available. If Cashman is faced with the prospect of overpaying for a quality reliever at this trade deadline, he might as well overpay for an elite reliever if he has an opportunity to do so. Downs is not the guy.
Joe:
I suspect the percentage of 1st, Sandwich, and 2nd round guys who end up having any MLB career is probably somewhere in the 55%-60% range. Those who have what we might consider a solid MLB career would be considerably less than that, but considerably greater than the 3% SJ used.
Given that, I think Alex the Greek should be thinking that he needs a prospect with at least a 60% chance of having an MLB career. Joba is shooting the moon and obviously won’t happen, but I suspect he gets a little better return than we might imagine.
SI_JonHeyman #jays asked #yankees for montero for scott downs. toronto may not want to trade within the division
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Done deal!
The Jays just need to put Downs in one of those Jeff Goldblum- “The Fly”/ DNA transporter thingies and turn him into Cliff Lee and they have a deal!
“However, things can change quickly in the week leading up to the non-waiver trade deadline, so the Blue Jays are still scouting Red Sox single A pitcher Roman Mendez, according to Alex Speier.” MLB tr
So, Roman Mendez – a loser – is what the Blue Jays want from the Red Sox.
But Montero or Joba is what they want from us. Interesting. Sounds equitable!
Bronx Jeers July 28th, 2010 at 10:26 am
SI_JonHeyman #jays asked #yankees for montero for scott downs. toronto may not want to trade within the division
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I do not understand that logic at all if you are Toronto. Do they think they are making a comeback in the AL East in 2010 and are going to compete in 2011 (the remaining years Downs is under contract)?
That is really dumb short term thinking
Bronx Jeers July 28th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Done deal!
The Jays just need to put Downs in one of those Jeff Goldblum- ?The Fly?/ DNA transporter thingies and turn him into Cliff Lee and they have a deal!
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I don’t believe Toronto seriously asked for Montero. No way the GM is that stupid, although you never know.
Bill D,
I am going to have to disagree on the 55-60% thing. That seems to be very generous for 1st, 2nd round, and compensation.
If you go back a few years a pick a random draft I bet it is much closer to 30%
I’m sure the Jays don’t really believe that they’re going to pry a Montero type prospect for Downs but i think they may be sending a message… that being don’t bother to call us with your junk offers.
Jays are smoking some serious doobage if they think the Yanks or Sox are giving up either of those players for a middle aged reliever.
“I don’t believe Toronto seriously asked for Montero. No way the GM is that stupid, although you never know.”
It’s 100% no, if you don’t ask.
The Rays once asked for a young up and comer named Scott Kazmir….
SJ,
I truly believe that the new GM fascination with getting the draft picks is about trying to hold on to long term job security.
If you tell your owner, “I’m not going to take the Yankees garbage, we’ll hold the player and I’ll draft you an all star”, it sort of buys the GM time if the owner wants to see if the GM is drafting well.
By trading for guys in the upper levels of the minors, you immediately know within a year or two if the player is going to make it and contribute to your roster.
I may be wrong, but I think all this “draft pick” stuff has been invented by GM’s and scouts to keep their jobs.
Bill D,
You do have a point. But Cashman is no Jim Duquette
I’m sick of these GM’s thumping on their chests at our expense. We should start some rumors of our own. Here’s one.
NYYrumors #Cardinals called about Joba Chamberlain, Yankees demanded Pujols# 2 minutes ago…
Montero and Joba ! The price is always higher for us if thats true. . This is why I like Cashman’s stance of trying to fix a problem internally if the Yanks can. Yanks have lefty Royce Ring down on the farm.
The first question they ask you in GM interviews is “What is your position on trading with the Yankees?”
To which the response should be “I won’t give the Yankees anything for nothing. I will demand more from them than any other team” i.e. Chien Ming Wang and Robi Cano for Jason Michaels!
LGY:
Keep in mind that I differentiated between any career at all and a solid MLB career, which to me is having a an MLB job for several seasons. I did randomly select 1995. Of the 59 players selected, 34 appeared in the big leagues. Little more than half of those had extended big league careers.
Here’s another one.
NYYrumors #Dodgers inquire about Javier Vazquez, Yankees want Kemp, Either, Broxton and Kershaw#…4 minutes ago
GLove,
That’s certainly the case in Seattle where Jack Z has their ownership convinced he and his organization can draft and trade for the right young players.
I guess you have to tell them that after you wasted 36 million dollars on Chone Figgins! lol
It is fascinating to me how many of these guys have initial asking prices that border on laughable.
All that does is slow down any chance of doing deals.
Its why in the grand scheme of things, so few deals get done these days.
NYYrumors #Juan Miranda to Indians? Carmona possible sticking point# 7 minutes ago
Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2010 at 10:43 am
I?m sick of these GM?s thumping on their chests at our expense. We should start some rumors of our own. Here?s one.
NYYrumors #Cardinals called about Joba Chamberlain, Yankees demanded Pujols# 2 minutes ago?
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Pujols would really stregnthen our bench
Bret,
That’s actually pretty funny…and probably as accurate as heyman’s info.
Bret-
Are you actually making these up now?
Bill D,
I am not sure if going back as far as 1995 is a very accurate read of draft picks today. The game has changed quite a bit since 1995.
For example players playing longer so blocking marginal prospects from even bench roles and smaller market teams having more money to spend on FA’s.
bret,
You take this stuff way too seriously! lol
Its all part of the game. When you are the big dog like the Yankees are, you can’t expect the rest of the industry to want to help you out too much.
Its why these days Cashman always looks internally for solutions as long as he can.
He knows the jungle he is trying to navigate in and its not going to change anytime soon.
LGY:
2003. Of the 1st 67 drafted (1st, sandwich, 2nd rounds), 42 have made it to the bigs. Once again, about 1/2 of those are enjoying solid MLB careers with the jury out on a few more (Saltalamacchia, Brandon Wood).
Bill D,
Thanks. I didn’t think that many would even make it to the bigs. I guess my 30% read is more accurate for actually having an MLB career.
SJ –
It isn’t that hard to figure out why the new crop of GMs are all infatuated with prospects – for the most part they all got to be GMs by being evaluators for the draft and the minor leagues.
Anthopoulos was a scouting director
DiPoto – after retiring as a player was a scout
Jon Daniels – assistant director of player personell in charge of minor leagues
and so on.
Plus, with so many cheap owners it behooves teams to have strong farm systems so that they can sign one or two All-Stars and surround them with low cost, controllable talent.
Of course it often back-fires which is why teams like the Royals and Pirates stink year after year.
Even taking the 2003 numbers, you are talking about roughly a 33% chance you draft a quality major league player in the early rounds.
That doesn’t take into consideration how long it takes for that guy to get to the big leagues.
If its 4-5 years, that’s a long time waiting for a return on your investment in a competitive industry such as MLB, and that’s with a nearly 67% “miss” ratio.
It’s OFFICIAL
I’m on Twitter.
I feel like a celebrity.
http://twitter.com/NYYrumors
Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2010 at 10:49 am
NYYrumors #Juan Miranda to Indians? Carmona possible sticking point# 7 minutes ago
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Can the yankees ask for the midges in that trade?
Seriousy though if you can get anything for miranda its better than having the guy take up a roster spot without a real position to play the next 7 years
SJ -
I don’t disagree; but if you’re a franchise that is never going to get the big free agent then the best chance you have of getting a high impact player is through the draft.
Every GM would love to have the resources of the Yankees, Mets, or Red Sox to play with, but since that’s not going to happen they look at how Tampa ascended to being one of the top teams in the game and are trying to duplicate it.
When it works, you get Tampa or even Philly – when it doesn’t you get KC and Pittsburgh.
Side note:
When he comes off the DL would you consider trading for Kerry Wood?
He’s been absolutely awful and hurt this year; could probably get him for an A ball bench player.
***Breaking News***
#Marlins just inquired about Chan Ho Park as a potential setup guy. #Yankees asked for package around Josh Johnson. Stay tuned.
I don’t agree that smaller market teams can’t get free agents. They can. Not every player wants to play in NY, LA or Boston. They just choose not to go into those waters because there is no financial incentive to do so.
Three of the most profitable teams in baseball are the Marlins, Royals and Pirates.
That’s because the revenue sharing programs gives each of these teams over 20 million dollars a year before a ticket is sold.
Two of those teams also have very lucrative local TV and radio deals. In the Royals case, they have their own regional sports network and its a cash cow for them.
What Selig has done with this particular form of revenue sharing is to make sure these teams are NEVER competitive because it would negatively affect their bottom line.
That’s not what revenue sharing is suppose to accomplish and its the fans in those markets who get screwed.
YankeeBlue222 July 28th, 2010 at 11:11 am
***Breaking News***
#Marlins just inquired about Chan Ho Park as a potential setup guy. #Yankees asked for package around Josh Johnson. Stay tuned.
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Link:
http://twitter.com/NYYrumors
Interesting….
Trade Deadline Values: Jesus Montero vs. Wilmer Flores
Posted by Mike Newman on July 28, 2010 · Leave a Comment
While this piece might have been a hotter topic a couple of weeks ago before Cliff Lee was dealt to Texas and the Mets seemingly fell out of contention, both Jesus Montero and Wilmer Flores became key names in internet trade banter. While both prospects are excellent in their own right, it’s important for New York baseball fans, as well as prospect fans in general to distinguish between the two. In ranking the top-25 prospects I’ve seen since starting Scouting the Sally, Montero ranks 3rd, while Flores currently sits 8th. On paper, this is not a major difference, but in reality, if Montero were an “A” prospect, then Flores would likely be a “B+”.
When I saw Montero late in the 2008 season, he immediately struck me as an impact talent offensively and I said as much when I wrote him up for my previous site shortly after.
With his advanced hitting approach and repeatable swing mechanics, I can see him competing for batting titles. At 18, he has time to learn how to add backspin, but his line drive power should allow him to hit 25-30 home runs annually even if he doesn’t. After watching both Montero and Jason Heyward play, I’m convinced Montero is a better pure hitter at this point while Heyward remains a better all-around prospect because of his defensive ability.
The one question prospect people had about Montero was how he would react to adversity because he had really never struggled in his short, but extremely productive career. After a slow start in 2010, I think we have our answer as his .371/.481/.645 July line has been truly dominant.
Yes, Montero has little defensive ability and will likely end up as a 1B/DH, but impact bats like this simply do not come around often. To see a comparable talent in 2009, I had to travel to Jacksonville to see Marlins outfielder Mike Stanton.
As for Wilmer Flores, he’s an excellent prospect in his own right. In a June piece, I wrote;
At this point, I have seen upwards of 300 Wilmer Flores plate appearances and continue to be impressed by his offensive abilities and unheralded defensive prowess. His overall stat line is tremendous when considering his age and the level of competition and he saves his best at bats for highly ranked prospects. This season alone, I have witnessed him take excellent swings off of Braves prospect Arodys Vizcaino, Astros prospect Tanner Bushue, Rockies prospect Tyler Matzek and others.
While Flores provides more defensive ability than Montero and his contact skills were better at the same level, Flores doesn’t have the thunder in his bat that Montero did, nor does he have as good an approach. This leaves Flores with significantly more room for varied outcomes than Montero has. I’m 100% sure Montero will mash. I’m only about 70% sure Flores will.
Of course there are no sure things in baseball as the failure rate of even the best prospects is very high. However, the value of a player with both a high ceiling and floor like Montero is exponentially more valuable than very good, or even excellent prospects. If I were the Mets, I’d consider dealing Wilmer Flores in the right package for a top starter. Jesus Montero? He would be untouchable in my mind.
RE: SJ’s comment from 11:12AM – Kind of makes it sound like they’re the MLB equivalent of the LA Clippers.
Ummm- please stop making up trade rumours
Baustista would be a nice get for the Yanks….If Ca$h could swing Bautista and Downs for a reasonable package that would set us up nicely….
Just keep feeding me rumors. 2 can play at this game.
YankeeBlue222
You may not know this but making up rumours will get you banned.
SJ44 July 28th, 2010 at 11:12 am
Amen! There are some very rich owners who keep their $ and point to the Yankees as being Spenders as well! If they wanted to be really competitive then rich sports owners like Mark Cuban, Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones, William Davidson, Micky Arison, Donald Trump, Charles Dolan or others have a MLB team or be a part owner. MLB execs want no part of this as they try to keep the broken system of non-competitive yet highly profitable teams in the mix. Then they brashly state that the Yankees are the problem.
From the commenting guidelines (Link posted to the right- first under Posts of Note):
• Do not post false news. One strike and you are out.
SJ44 July 28th, 2010 at 11:12 am
I don?t agree that smaller market teams can?t get free agents. They can. Not every player wants to play in NY, LA or Boston. They just choose not to go into those waters because there is no financial incentive to do so.
Three of the most profitable teams in baseball are the Marlins, Royals and Pirates.
That?s because the revenue sharing programs gives each of these teams over 20 million dollars a year before a ticket is sold.
Two of those teams also have very lucrative local TV and radio deals. In the Royals case, they have their own regional sports network and its a cash cow for them.
What Selig has done with this particular form of revenue sharing is to make sure these teams are NEVER competitive because it would negatively affect their bottom line.
That?s not what revenue sharing is suppose to accomplish and its the fans in those markets who get screwed.
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Don’t get me started on the stupidity of MLB’s current revenue sharing program; I have always thought that it was complete idiocy.
My revamped policy would be as follows:
Any team that is on getting revenue sharing money would have to accept a salary floor of $40 mil – that’s 1 mil for every player on the 40 man roster.
This floor would be checked three times during the season – opening day, August 1, and final day of the season to prevent teams from holding mid season firesales.
Any team in violation of the salary floor would lose their right to revenue sharing dollars for the following season.
By the way – Steve Phillips made a rare good point; the Blue Jays won’t get draft picks for Downs – at least not high ones. No team is likely going to sign Downs and sacrifice a first and supplemental pick to sign him as a free agent and the teams that would sign Downs are likely going to sign other free agents as well meaning that the pick Toronto gets would be lower in the draft.
Tar,
It does get you banned? I was just trying to make a friendly joke. Obviously the Marlins wouldn’t be interested in Chan Ho and 2) they wouldn’t trade Josh Johnson for him.
People need to get a grip if a little banter is taken personally.
Why would Florida move Josh Johnson ?
SJ,
Do you think McCallister as the main piece gets us Dotel from Pittsburgh?
I’d be happy just adding him to the mix in our pen even though his numbers aren’t lights out.
Erica in NY July 28th, 2010 at 11:31 am
From the commenting guidelines (Link posted to the right- first under Posts of Note):
• Do not post false news. One strike and you are out.
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Jayson Stark, Buster Olney, John Heyman…
Those guys wouldn’t last here very long.
Erica,
Thanks for pointing that out. I wasn’t aware.
We will not be trading Chan Ho Park. Cash should probably give him a 2-year extension!
False rumor. Darn !
Bret made it very clear that what he was posting was BS. But I guess if someone didnt read the whole string of comments, I could see how one of his posts could be taken out of context.
BTW, we can post links to Twitter. People do it all the time.
http://twitter.com/NYYrumors
G.Love,
Do you not remember Dotel from a few years ago? He was putrid.
I wouldn’t trust him in a big spot in the playoffs. Never.
RAB had a good comment on McCallister last night in their minors recap. He’s already given up 1 less HR this yr than he did in the rest of his minor league career. He’s really struggling this season.
Champ,
Trading for him is extremely complicated…while the Jays will be asking for a return based on what he’s done this year; teams interested in him will make their offers with an eye towards his relatively pedestrian career.
Those posting guidelines are from Pete. Not Chad and Sam. And Bret and Yankee22 are doing the same thing, joking around in re: to the ridiculous demands of the Blue Jays GM. Finally, last time I checked, nobody believed that Chan was getting traded for Josh Johnson.
CountryClub July 28th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Bret made it very clear that what he was posting was BS. But I guess if someone didnt read the whole string of comments, I could see how one of his posts could be taken out of context.
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And that is how rumors start and that is how the media is being played by the PR wing of MLB front offices. Bash the opponents merchandise. Hype the home team goods. It might not make a difference in negotiations. It doesn’t. But it looks good to the fans and plays to their allegiance to their team.
That is essentially how NYYrumors was born via Twitter.
Please continue with the funny rumors, they are about as believable as any rumors from Heyman or anyone on ESPN.
YankeeBlue222 July 28th, 2010 at 11:34 am
Erica,
Thanks for pointing that out. I wasn?t aware.
We will not be trading Chan Ho Park. Cash should probably give him a 2-year extension!
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Its okay. I thought they were funny, but someone who was just passing by quickly may not get the joke and it could be blog-chaos!
Btw- I realize those guidelines are from the Pete era, but obiously Chad and Sam agree or they would have left them up in such a prominent position
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would NOT have left them up.
(Too much cold medicine)
Get me the following four guys:
Chi Cubs: Theriot and Sean Marshall
Pirates: Milledge and Joel Hanrahan
That’s a LH and RH RP; a good defensive infielder who can hit better than Ramiro Pena and an OF who kills LHP and can play all three spots. And all four of them are young (Theriot’s the oldest at 29) and under team control going forward.
And I don’t anticipate having to even mention Joba or Montero or Romine in any conversations for them.
YankeeBlue222,
Dotel was coming back from TJ surgery that year. He wasn’t fully recovered. The Yankees signed him on a whim 1 year deal hoping he could come back from surgery and contribute.
He’s healthier now and has better stuff than he did that year when he was trying to come back from injury and secure himself a deal that didn’t materialize because he wasn’t ready yet.
Chip July 28th, 2010 at 9:45 am
By the way – I love that Peter Angelos doesn’t want to send Ty Wiggington or Miguel Tejada to the Yankees because “he doesn’t want to deal to a rival”
Memo to Angelos – At this point the Yankees and O’s are rivals in much the same way a hammer and nail are rivals or my foot and an ant are rivals…When one side wins and the other side stinks that’s not a rivalry; that’s a beat down.
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Post of the day.
not a rumor.
with the angels pretty much toast.
would they trade matsui back to bromx.
i know he not having a good season with a 760 ops, but he be an upgrade over miranda
G.Love,
I understand his injury situation back then. I’m just looking at him as a complete package. He’s had his best years on really bad teams…when there’s no pressure.
I put him in the same category as Farnsworth, Hawkins, Park, etc.
The goal NYYrumors via Twitter is to energize our fan base with bogus tweets and demoralize fans of opposing teams with same
See how it works?
http://twitter.com/NYYrumors
Jesusmonterofordh,
That’s an intriguing idea. I wonder what it would take?
A combination of Nova? Laird? Melancon?
That is interesting. In a fair world, the Angels might possibly trade Matsui back to us.
GLove,
McAllister could get you Dotel. Not sure if the Yankees are interested in him though.
They would rather have Hanrahan. However, the Pirates are more interested in trading Dotel and making Hanrahan their closer. Smart move by the Pirates if you ask me.
I’d keep an eye on the Nats. Matt Capps and Adam Dunn.
If you are the Yankees, finding a “small piece” can come from within when it comes to the pen. Especially if Aceves is back in 3 weeks, which is the hope. That’s like making a trade and you don’t have to give up anybody.
If you want to go “big game hunting”, Capps and Dunn solves a lot of your problems and you can probably do that deal without including Montero.
You MAY have to include Chamberlain though.
The key to that is dialogue with Dunn’s agent about DH’ing. He hates it DH’ing and he won’t sign with a team as a FA unless he is assured he isn’t going to be their DH.
If they could convince him that DH’ing for half a year in NY could make him a lot of money in the off-season if he produces, perhaps that tips the scales. I don’t know, just speculating.
***Breaking News***
#Marlins just inquired about Chan Ho Park as a potential setup guy. #Yankees asked for package around Josh Johnson. Stay tuned.
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Is this a joke? What’s next, Minnesota inquiring about Kei Igawa and everyone assuming they’ll use him in a package for Joe Mauer? Lets get serious, the only reason that Miranda and Park are available is because the Yankees want to free up room on the 40 man roster for Chad Moeller and maybe Tim Redding. It doesn’t say much about Park and Miranda that they are less valuable to the Yankees than theior spot on the 40 man roster.
I am still baffled as to how Matsui was not a Type A or at least Type B free agent. Especially when Billy Wagner was a Type A and played 2 months of the season as a setup guy.
Doesn’t make any sense.
jpb173 July 28th, 2010 at 11:49 am
Is this a joke? What’s next, Minnesota inquiring about Kei Igawa and everyone assuming they’ll use him in a package for Joe Mauer? Lets get serious, the only reason that Miranda and Park are available is because the Yankees want to free up room on the 40 man roster for Chad Moeller and maybe Tim Redding. It doesn’t say much about Park and Miranda that they are less valuable to the Yankees than theior spot on the 40 man roster.
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Erica, I guess you were right. Someone fell for it.
YankeeBlue
Makes perfect sense. Wagner was a Red Sox. Matsui was a Yankee. ‘Nuff said!
raymagnetic
I saw your post on the other thread about me talking about the Red Sox. I was not focused on the Red Sox but on the Angels looking inept against the Red Sox all the time.
I said before that the Sox are not the number one threat. So I’m not worried about the Sox at all.
YankeeBlue222 July 28th, 2010 at 11:54 am
Erica, I guess you were right. Someone fell for it.
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LOL.. It happens every time.
I’m now a “follower” of NYYRumors.
It’s hot.
You see?
Someone missed the joke.
jpb173 -
That’s not a true rumor. It was made up.
Jeremy
Some people lack the intelligence to distinguish between their reality and actual reality. I also could not care less about the 2010 Red Sox. Doesn’t mean I’m not going to rag on the Angels when they flop against the Sox. Honestly, I enjoyed the beatdown the Sox gave them.
Oh, I completely agree that Dotel seems like a small market guy, but I don’t want to see the team overpay for a reliever. I’d take a chance on Dotel only because he’s been in NY with the Mets and Yanks so he’s not going to be cowed by the big city per se.
Relievers, with the exception of Mo, are so volatile it’s a misuse of assets to overpay for them in a trade. What Toronto is asking for Downs is downright ludicrous.
I’m hoping Cash uses some of his rule 5 eligible guys for next season to obtain an arm or two since, to me, that’s not a misuse of an asset as those players can just be plucked off our roster for 25k in the off season if they aren’t protected on the 40 man.
As for a Capps/Dunn package, it certainly would solve some problems with the team.
If Joba had to go in that deal, so be it. But I don’t give up one of the young catchers for a 1/2 season of Dunn (really almost 1/3rd of a season at this point) and Capps.
In that deal at least Joba has value enough to bring back good pieces. Otherwise, I still say send Joba down and rebuild Frankenstein.
I love your rumors, Bret. Keep ‘em coming.
“I am still baffled as to how Matsui was not a Type A or at least Type B free agent. Especially when Billy Wagner was a Type A and played 2 months of the season as a setup guy.”
It’s based on the pool your part of. For the purposes of determing FA type, Wagner was measured only against other relievers. Matsui was measured against DH’s, 1B and OF’s. Matsui didn’t finish as high in his particular pool as Wagner did in his.
Thanks Bronx Jeers.
I now have 3 or 4 followers.
I won’t stop until I break Rosenthal.
Laura – I Bleed Blue July 28th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
I love your rumors, Bret. Keep ?em coming.
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Is this a joke? What’s next, Minnesota inquiring about Kei Igawa and everyone assuming they’ll use him in a package for Joe Mauer? Lets get serious, the only reason that Miranda and Park are available is because the Yankees want to free up room on the 40 man roster for Chad Moeller and maybe Tim Redding. It doesn’t say much about Park and Miranda that they are less valuable to the Yankees than theior spot on the 40 man roster.
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Erica, I guess you were right. Someone fell for it.
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No, I didn’t fall for it!!! I’m trying to shoot down some of these silly rumors. The truth of the matter is that, last year, the Yankees felt that “team chemistry” was more vaulable than adding any big name newcomers so they didn’t make a major trade at the deadline. I don’t expect them to do so this year either. If anything the Yankees will try to free up some room on the 40 man roster by “giving away” some of the players they don’t value. They do, indeed, need to clear out a spot so they can add a catcher (probably) Chad Moeller after Sept 1st.
Bret,
I only use twitter for Yankee/MLB info and I’ve got to say your tweets look great sandwiched between Heyman and Feinsand.
I only wish I had someone close by to fool.
I could say “It’s gotta be true. Look it’s on my Iphone for chrissake!”
Keep ‘em coming Bret. Do you see a 3-way deal – Melky goes to the Royals, Greinke comes to the Yankees, and nobody goes to the Braves – in our future?
You see?
Someone missed the joke.
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That’s not a true rumor. It was made up.
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Couldn’t you tell from reading my post that I could tell it wasn’t real?
new thread
I have to run out for a bit, so I’m going to start GTLU a tad early.
Today’s Guess the Lineup is Now Open for Business.
Lineups will be accepted until 3:30 or until an official lineup is posted. Good luck.
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No, I couldn’t tell. And that’s the problem. I can’t see your smiling face as you type.
Compliments of lonestarball on twitter:
Since being traded to Texas, Cliff Lee has 25 Ks and 1 walk. Since being traded to Seattle, Justin Smoak has 22 Ks and 1 walk.
The only credible sources with ESPN are Tim Kurkjian and Jayson Stark. All others are rumor mongers in fear of their jobs.
I would assure dunn he won’t dh more than a few games a week,platoon him in rf & once every 10 days/2 weeks at 1 st base with tex dh’ing but would not give up montero.
Dunn’s bat in our lineup will go a long,long way,more so than any other bat we can possibly get at the deadline & make up for cervelli playing way too much.
Also we do not wan’t the rays to get dunn,they might go for it because rumor has it they wan’t to lower payroll significantly next year to 60 million or under.
champ809 July 28th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Interesting?.
Trade Deadline Values: Jesus Montero vs. Wilmer Flores
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Champ, thanks for posting that; very interesting!