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Pregame notes: Nothing out of the ordinary

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Jul 28, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Jorge Posada said this afternoon that his left knee has been bothering him since 2006. He has a cyst behind his knee, and late in the season, it starts to get stiff from time to time.

“It just comes and goes,” Posada said. “There’s not a specific that I do. I have to just keep treating it for now.”

Asked when he last felt it, Posada said simply. “It’s been there.” It happened to bark a little more than usual yesterday, and so he took the night off. Tonight he’s back in the lineup at designated hitter, and there seems to be a solid chance he’ll be able to catch tomorrow.

“I thought we had a pretty good rotation going there,” Joe Girardi said. “He was pretty much catching three out of the five guys, and then DHing on the other days. I’d like to get back to that. I just think of this as something we’ll have to deal with for a couple of days and then it’ll settle down to where it’s more manageable.”

Yankees Indians Baseball• Seventy-one hours before Saturday’s trade deadline, Joe Girardi said his day-to-day interactions with general manager Brian Cashman have not changed. “It’s pretty normal for me to talk to him a couple of times a day anyway,” Girardi said. “I’m not really talking to him any more now than I normally would. I’m sure if something heated up, it might become more.”

• Alfredo Aceves said he felt good today, and the Yankees are prepared for him to throw another bullpen on Friday. “When we get through Friday we’ll see where we’re at,” Girardi said. “If Friday goes good, we could be looking at pushing this along a little bit more than just bullpens.”

• Rain is possible tonight in Cleveland, though Girardi said he was told it’s more likely to come between now and first pitch. Sergio Mitre is available out of the bullpen, as is Chad Gaudin, to pitch multiple innings if there’s a delay.

• Of course, the last time A.J. Burnett started, his outing was cut short by rain. “I liked what I saw,” Girardi said. “He got a lot of ground ball outs. He was ahead in the count. His curveball was good. His fastball had good location. Just needs to come out and do it again.”

• One more answer from Girardi about how he plans to use Joba Chamberlain: “Do I have a theory set in stone? No I don’t. I’ll look things over and make a decision.”

• Damaso Marte is scheduled to play catch again, but he’s not ready for a bullpen session.

• Girardi said he expects to DH Alex Rodriguez before the end of this road trip, but he doesn’t expect him to need a full day off.

• Someone asked Girardi if he pays attention to trade rumors. “I get my rumors from Brian,” he said. Pretty solid source.

UPDATE, 6:08 p.m.: Here’s the Cleveland lineup. By the way, the tarp is coming back on the field. Based on the clouds that just rolled in, we’re all going to die. Mark Feinsand just said it looks like Independence Day, and he’s right.

UPDATE, 6:22 p.m.: For the second time in a week, the Yankees are facing a team that has suddenly traded its starting third baseman just before game time. The Indians just sent Jhonny Peralta to the Tigers.

UPDATE, 6:33 p.m.: Here’s the new Indians lineup.

INDIANS
Trevor Crowe CF
Asdrubal Cabrera SS
Shin-Soo Choo RF
Carlos Santana C
Travis Hafner DH
Austin Kearns LF
Matt LaPorta 1B
Andy Marte 3B
Jason Donald 2B

Associated Press photos of Posada and the Yankees dugout, with Chamberlain and — I believe — Robertson sitting at the top.

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66 Responses to “Pregame notes: Nothing out of the ordinary”

  1. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 6:10 pm

    I will be really ticked off if there is a rain delay in the middle of the game and AJ is wasted and we have to burn our pen…………

    Still not even close to assuming Ace will be back and a reliable arm in the pen, but boy if he could make it back………

  2. California July 28th, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    J*sh B*ck*tt’s ERA down to 6.33 now.

  3. Chip July 28th, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    SJ44 –

    A couple of things from the last thread:

    1. Yeah, I saw about Sheets about 30 seconds after I posted my suggestion and then said disregard it.

    2. I agree that not everyone is fixed by a trip to the minors; but at this point I don’t see how sending Joba to the minors hurts the club in any way and while Dave Eiland and Mike Harkey have 11 other pitchers to concern themselves with, he can go to Tampa and work one on one with Nardi Contreras for as long as it takes to figure out why he’s having trouble repeating his mechanics.

    3. My point about the message to the club is that since he’s come up, the “development of Joba” has at times superceded the goal of winning games. That’s all fine and good if you’re the Washington Nationals, Kansas City Royals or Pittsburgh Pirates, but if you’re the Yankees, two games up in a very good division, the name of the game has to be winning. And if the Yankees feel that there is someone who can help them achieve this goal then that person deserves to be playing; not Joba.

    This tight clubhouse, this veteran team, takes it’s cue from Jeter, Posada and Mo – two of those three guys were the loudest advocates about wanting Joba to be a reliever because that’s where he was helping them win…they didn’t want to hear about his long term potential as a starter, all they knew was that as a reliever he was helping them win. Winning is what matters to the veteran players on this club, they don’t want to hear about needing to trust Joba to get it together…they want teammates who are helping them win games and right now Joba doesn’t fit that bill.

  4. Erin July 28th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

    UPDATE, 6:08 p.m.: Here’s the Cleveland lineup. By the way, the tarp is coming back on the field. Based on the clouds that just rolled in, we’re all going to die. Mark Feinsand just said it looks like Independence Day, and he’s right.

    *******************************
    LOL Must be some storm coming in.

  5. Joe from Long Island July 28th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    I will not be happy if there’s a rain delay.

    Jeremy – if you didn’t see my post at the end of the last thread – We’re cool.

  6. Pat M. July 28th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    What are the Yankees going to do with Ted Lilly ???? I think he’ll end up in Dodger Blue

  7. Jeremy July 28th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Joe from Long Island

    Thanks !

  8. jesusmonterofordh July 28th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    angels are really bad, poor matsui

  9. Yogi Mantle July 28th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    I’d rather see a rain delay to the start of the game than one coming mid-way through it. Not that I want either, but if it has to come better to start late and then go through the rest of the way. You don’t end up losing your starter that way, at least most times.

  10. Erin July 28th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    BloggingBombers Jhonny Peralta has been traded to the Tigers. That’s the second time this month that night’s starting 3B against the Yankees has been dealt.

  11. Nick in SF July 28th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Rodney FTL

  12. WMD July 28th, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    Angels rolling over like a @&#$* again!

  13. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    castrovince

    The #Indians have traded 3B Jhonny Peralta to the Tigers for LHP Giovanni Soto. Indians.com. #mlb

  14. Jeremy July 28th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    It looks like another Angel choke job against the Red Sox. It really is funny how pathetic the Angels are against the Sox.

    They should rename Angels Stadium Fenway West.

  15. LGY July 28th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    The Yankees should trade Joba if the right package comes along, but just because they made him a reliever they don’t have to trade him.

    I really don’t look at him much differently than someone like David Robertson anymore. He is a reliever on this team. If he can help the team then that is great, but I would not be desperate to trade him off just because he could maybe be a starting pitcher.

    The Yankees are looking for arms in their bullpen every year. If he can turn it around at some point and be effective then that’s good.

    He is under team control for 3 more years.

    Just have to hope at this point that he can be an effective reliever and you get something out of him over those 3 years.

    The right package comes along you deal him. If not hold onto him and treat him like any other reliever.

  16. WMD July 28th, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Angels rolling over like @#$%& again

  17. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    “Jhonny” misspelled on his birth certificate, parents left it.

  18. Jeremy July 28th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    A Grandslam by little Marco Scutaro !!!

    The Angels should just quit before even playing the Sox because everyone knows it’s an automatic loss.

  19. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    LGY, I think I agree………I’m not that desperate to trade him that I’d take back a lesser package for him.

  20. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Beckett’s come back and pitched very well………….

  21. Chad Jennings July 28th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Andy Marte taking Jhonny Peralta’s spot at third base. He’s batting eighth. LaPorta moves up to seventh.

  22. Yank 97 July 28th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Sox about to sweep the Angels on the road

  23. rconn23 July 28th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Again, the Angels are a dead team walking. Can’t worry about the Red Sox. Gotta keep winning series.

  24. Erin July 28th, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    BloggingBombers Does anybody think Johnny Damon is going to try to convince Jhonny Peralta that his first name is spelled wrong?

  25. SJ44 July 28th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Define “lesser”.

    Right now, he’s the worst relief pitcher in the AL. He’s not going to bring a bounty in return unless the team trading for him believes they can “fix” him quickly.

    Obviously, they aren’t going to give him away.

    However, if a deal comes along where they believe it helps them win this year if he is dealt, they will trade him.

    If they are willing to include Montero in a trade, a guy with a LOT more trade value than Joba right now, rest assured Joba isn’t untouchable.

    That term “untouchable” is also a misnomer, IMO.

    EVERYBODY without a NTC is “touchable” in the right deal.

    Its just defining what is the “right” deal.

  26. Crawdaddy July 28th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    The Angels are not a playoff team this year. At best, they might win 90 games this year.

  27. Pat M. July 28th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    Andy Marte was the hot prospect a few years back….

  28. Erica in NY July 28th, 2010 at 6:34 pm

    How does this trade involving the Tigers affect my dream of the Tigers dismantling and traing Johnny (spelled correctly) Damon back to the Yankees????

  29. Erica in NY July 28th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    **Trading

    Should be the word above. An important word in that sentance

  30. jpb173 July 28th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    It looks like another Angel choke job against the Red Sox. It really is funny how pathetic the Angels are against the Sox.

    —————————————————————————————————–

    Will the Angels be sellers at the trade dealine this year instead of buyers? Artie Moreno can’t be happy about this situation.

  31. Crawdaddy July 28th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    I don’t think the Yankees will sell low and trade Joba.

  32. Erica in NY July 28th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Erin July 28th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
    BloggingBombers Does anybody think Johnny Damon is going to try to convince Jhonny Peralta that his first name is spelled wrong?
    ************

    Johnny Damon should convince his GM to trade him… back to the Yankees

  33. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    That seems a bit short-sighted, trading Joba for a guy that may (or may not) help them win this year. Boy – the Yankees must be really down on him.

  34. Cashmoney July 28th, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    well, there is goes my hope of Jhonny replacing Pena. meh.

  35. Giuseppe Franco July 28th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    # Jeremy July 28th, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    A Grandslam by little Marco Scutaro !!!

    The Angels should just quit before even playing the Sox because everyone knows it’s an automatic loss.

    ——–

    It was an automatic loss in the ALDS last season too, right?

  36. Crawdaddy July 28th, 2010 at 6:38 pm

    “That seems a bit short-sighted, trading Joba for a guy that may (or may not) help them win this year. Boy – the Yankees must be really down on him.”

    So you believe that trade rumor?

  37. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 6:39 pm

    What trade rumor, Craw? I was referring to SJ’s post…..

  38. Jeremy July 28th, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    jpb173
    I think the Angels should sell. They have too much dead weight on their roster. Hunter is getting old and his production and defense is getting worse same with Abreu. Triple A Rivera is a waste. Wood is a bust so far. And their bullpen is a joke.

  39. LGY July 28th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Betsy,

    Yeah, it’s not like Joba’s salary is hurting this team where he is a strain on the payroll or he is a bad member of the clubhouse.

    Some people seem to think the Yankees owe it to Joba or something to find a team that will give him a chance to start.

    The Yankees drafted him and they can choose to put him in any role they want for 6 years.

    You get what you can out of him for 6 years and move on if you don’t want him back or you trade him.

    To be honest, I really don’t care at this point if Joba is a starter, a reliever, or traded.

    I just want him to help the team win baseball games whether that means being effective even as just a SIG or traded for someone that can help them.

    I think in general, and I am definitely guilty of this we have spent too much time dreaming of Joba’s potential and getting angry over him not being used “properly.”

    All that matters is winning baseball games.

  40. Cashmoney July 28th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Triple A Rivera is a waste.?
    —————————————–
    i take him over Marcus Thames.

  41. Jeremy July 28th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Giuseppe Franco
    The only reason why the Angels came through that year was because of the Red Sox inability to hit on the road. They were a bad road team in the second half. Also the Angels were going to lose game 3 if not for Papelbon blowing up.

    More often than not the Angels lose to the Red Sox so yeah I could say with confidence that you can predict the Angels losing to the Red Sox.

  42. Jerkface July 28th, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    That seems a bit short-sighted, trading Joba for a guy that may (or may not) help them win this year. Boy – the Yankees must be really down on him.

    So if they weren’t down on him they would trade him for what? Someone who ISN’T going to help them win this year???

    The conclusions you draw are crazy.

  43. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Pineiro is out 6-8 weeks with oblique strain. From angels broadcast

  44. Erica in NY July 28th, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Yahoo shows just how bad its gotten for Joba…..

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....ng-content

  45. Jeremy July 28th, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Also you could say that the law of averages came into play in the 2009 ALDS. But still the Red Sox own the Angels.

  46. Cashmoney July 28th, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    Yahoo shows just how bad its gotten for Joba…..

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl…..ng-content
    ——————————————————————-
    totally looks like Joba is chilling , screw those caged BP seats. (Joba prolly has a bottle of Crazyhorse hiding somewhere) , ah, the high life.

  47. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    LGY, the thing is – if the Yankees think he’s nothing more than a middle reliever, they should trade him. However, I find it hard to believe that he’s fallen THAT hard and far. I’m not a huge fan of his and am annoyed at his poor performance, but I just don’t think it’s a good idea to dump him in case his value only diminishes. What happens if he does better next year? The Yankees have invested a lot of time in him; before they give up on him, shouldn’t they try something? I don’t see why he can’t be completely revamped like Halladay – or, if not, send him down (or send him to the minors next year) and just have him throw – a LOT (anything to get those mechanics in order). Now, maybe he will be one of those guys who never amounts to anything despite his talent, but maybe he can at least be a useful contributor.

  48. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Just a guess, but, I’d say a 45-60 minute rain delay to start the game.

  49. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Jerkface, that’s insulting………I really don’t see why I should respond to you, but I will and then that’s it. Sorry, I’m not interested in trading Joba for a one and done deal – a player who has no part to play in the team’s future. I don’t even think there is anyone out there who can help this team.. it’s all garbage at this point.

  50. LGY July 28th, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    “LGY, the thing is – if the Yankees think he’s nothing more than a middle reliever, they should trade him. ”

    —————————-

    Why?

    It seems the rest of your post contradicts that statement.

  51. SJ44 July 28th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Adam Dunn isn’t garbage. Nor is Matt Capps.

    Both guys would help the Yankees win this year, and in Capps case, more than one year.

    Plus, you get the benefit of draft pick(s) when Dunn leaves via free agency.

    I’m not sure I’d trade Joba for both of them.

    However, I’d think about it.

  52. Pauldanand July 28th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    weather.com says Tstorms foe next seeral hours

  53. Pat M. July 28th, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    GB, earlier today there was some fond memories of the bond that was you & Pete Abraham….Oh how I used to enjoy you’re banter with Diet Coke dude……I still laugh my tail off

  54. Pauldanand July 28th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    duh

  55. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 28th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Betsy, I see what you are saying about how the Yankees have invested a lot of time and money into Joba. The problem is that Joba doesn’t seem to be improving or learning from his mistakes. I don’t want to give up on Joba, but his 5.95 ERA kinda leaves me no choice.

  56. Jeremy July 28th, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Cashmoney
    The difference between Triple A Rivera and Thames is that one is pretty much a bench player and the other is a regular.

  57. Cashmoney July 28th, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    @Jeremy, i was thinking Rivera in term of platoon/bench playa.

  58. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    LGY, perhaps he could grow into an EIG……….or a Robertson type. I admit I’m all over the map with Joba; the end result is that I think if we trade him too early, it will come back and bite us (even if he’s just a set-up guy and not a starter).

    Laura, I don’t disagree…….but then we’re setting a precedent of giving up on young pitchers too early.

    SJ, I have no interest in Dun – never liked him. The Yankees can win without him – he is a strikeout machine. Ok, he’ll hit HRs….. but again, the Yankees don’t need him. He doesn’t want to DH anyway…… Capps? I wouldn’t trust him or any other reliever we would get in the posts-season. He’s doing well for a team with absolutely zero pressure.

  59. BIG AL July 28th, 2010 at 7:06 pm

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    Relative Humidity 97%
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    Scattered thunderstorms. A few storms may be severe. Low 20C. Winds WNW at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 60%.

    Scattered showers and thunderstorms, especially during the evening. A few storms may be severe. Low 69F. Winds WNW at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 60%.
    88 High

    Cleveland Weather Report

  60. Highlander59 July 28th, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    ERA is a bad stat; it incorporates team defensive performance (speed, range, outfield angles, arms, smarts, positioning, catcher effects, etc.), field effects, and a very large element of luck (the bloop that falls just out of reach, the fall that drops withing inches of the foul line, etc.) as well as those elements of pitching/defense that ARE under the pitcher’s controlperformance.

    Pitchers don’t give up hits and runs – teams do. The pitcher role is to keep the batter from putting the ball in play (get strikeouts). If he can’t keep the ball from being put in play, his job is to keep the ball from being hit hard (minimize line drives). If he can’t keep the ball from being hit hard, the pitcher’s job is to keep the ball from being hit in the air. The worst thing a pitcher can do is to allow a batter to reach base without giving his team a chance to make a play (i.e., walk the hitter).

    Joba has a very high K/9 rate (9.99), a very good K/BB ratio (2.76), a good GB/FB rate (1.49), and an average LD% at 19.7%.

    His xFIP (expected fielding independent average), to be understood as measured on the ERA scale (3.00 is very good, 4.50 is average, 6.00 is bad) is 3.41.

    Joba has pitched fairly well. His BAbip (batting average on balls in play) is .399, fourth worst in the league among pitchers who have throw at least 20 innings. Considering his good GB/FB rate and his acceptable LD%, it is clear that Joba has been very unlucky.

    I made this same argument in 2007 regarding Mike Mussina. The following year he won 20 games.

  61. Highlander59 July 28th, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    The worst thing that ever happened to Joba was posting a 0.38 ERA in 2007.

    He pitched very, very well but his ERA reflects that AS WELL AS the fact that his team played exceptionally behind him and every break he got was a good one. His xFIP was 2.42 – very, very good but not so ridiculously low as to set expectations so high as to be unachievable.

    With expectations so high, few fans recognized what a good job he did as a starter in 2008. His xFIP as a starter was 3.42 (his ERA was 2.75). Remove his first 2 starts (clearly tune-ups to stretch him out, and his final game (the injury) and his xFIP was under 3.00 (my own similar to xFIP stat calculates to 2.67; his ERA was 2.00). He averaged 6 innings per start. He went 3-1, the team went 7-2. He was credited with 7 quality starts out of 9. He recorded 10.2 K/9, with a 3.39 K/BB ratio.

    Don’t give up on a pitcher not yet 25 who has already shown himself to be a very good major league pitcher (lifetime xFIP 3.82), based on 2 months of somewhat average performance coupled with some very bad luck. ERA enthuiasts need to remeber that his ERA was 2.16 after his first 17 appearances this year.

  62. Rich in NJ July 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    Test

  63. Rich in NJ July 28th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    I think so.

  64. jesusmonterofordh July 28th, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    good job jorge

  65. mike9x July 28th, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    So when is Ritardi going to move Gardner to the leadoff spot and drop Jeter down?! It’s sad to say but Jeter probably profiles best as a bottom of the order bat and potentially #9 hitter, depending on whether Cervelli is in the game and if you want to start Grandy vs a lefty.

    But its quite undeniable that the Yankees would be better off with a hitter who has a higher OBP, sees the most pitches per plate appearance, higher avg, and much greater speed. Jeter is up there just hacking. Additionally, Swisher’s high OBP and resurgence makes him an ideal #2 meaning Jeter would go way down the order. If his name was anything other than Derek Jeter it’d happen.

    Oh well, hopefully Cashmoney has some say in this.

  66. 3rd gen yankee fan July 28th, 2010 at 11:13 pm

    Those are two fantastic photos.

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