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Trade market stretches beyond Saturday

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 28, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

This quote from Colorado general manager Dan O’Dowd seems to be making the rounds.

“There’s really not a ton of players on the market right now in the impactful category,” O’Dowd told The Denver Post. “There’s one in particular I think if we’re not able to acquire by the 31st probably wouldn’t be there. The rest we’ve come across I don’t think the 31st is necessarily a firm deadline.”

O’Dowd also said this: “There’s not much bullpen help out there at all right now. I think the bullpen help is more taking back somebody that needs a change of scenery and hoping that the track record of the past manifests itself here. But acquiring a guy that’s pitching real well right now, I don’t think that’s possible. But that’s as of today, as of Tuesday. A lot could change by Saturday.”

Those two statements seem to resonate for the Yankees, who have been known to make post-deadline deals, and who are apparently being asked to give up the moon and the stars in a deal for bullpen help.

 
 

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238 Responses to “Trade market stretches beyond Saturday”

  1. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Man, the Sox are desperate for bullpen help!

    Join me via Twitter.

    Click on my name here “Bret The Hitman”

    :lol:

  2. CR9 July 28th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Keep ‘em coming Bret. Do you see a 3-way deal – Melky goes to the Royals, Greinke comes to the Yankees, and nobody goes to the Braves – in our future?

  3. CR9 July 28th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    You see?

    Nobody missed the joke!

  4. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Something brewing with the Rays….

    Update coming as soon as I get confirmation.

  5. Bill D July 28th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Repost:

    Compliments of lonestarball on twitter:

    Since being traded to Texas, Cliff Lee has 25 Ks and 1 walk. Since being traded to Seattle, Justin Smoak has 22 Ks and 1 walk

  6. YankeeBlue222 July 28th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    GTLU:

    DH Jeter
    RF Swisher
    1B Tex
    3B ARod
    2B Cano
    CF Granderson
    C Cervelli
    SS Pena
    LF Gardner

  7. Erica in NY July 28th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    A-Rod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C
    GGBG LF

    Thanks Doreen :-)

  8. Irreverent Discourse July 28th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    has bret gone full psycho and just started making up trade rumors? lol…

    i told you all that crazy trade talk was unhealthy.

  9. Doreen July 28th, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    Repost:

    I have to run out for a bit, so I’m going to start GTLU a tad early.

    Today’s Guess the Lineup is Now Open for Business.

    Lineups will be accepted until 3:30 or until an official lineup is posted. Good luck. :)

  10. upstate kate July 28th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    GTLU:

    SS Jeet
    CF Grandy
    1B Tex
    3B Mr 600
    2B Robbie
    DH Po
    RF Swish
    C Cisco
    LF GGBG

    I am putting Granderson 2nd b/c he has good #s against Carmona…hopefully Girardi sees it my way too :)

  11. Erin July 28th, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    GTLU:

    SS Jeter
    RF Swisher
    1B Teixeira
    3B Rodriguez
    2B Cano
    DH Posada
    CF Granderson
    C Cervelli
    LF Gardner

    Thanks! :)

  12. Doreen July 28th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    jpb-whatever -

    I didn’t know you were joking. That’s the point. There’s no way for me to see your smiling face as you type. :?

  13. Bronx Jeers July 28th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    “…of course these rumors are true. Don’t you see the official NNY logo next to it?”

    You better be careful Bret. You could get a “cease & desist” from Randy Levine. :wink:

    Which would be a pretty cool piece of memorabilia IMHO.

  14. Bill D July 28th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    I think the Yankees will need to get their bullpen help by the 7/31 deadline. After that, I don’t see how Boston lets anything worth having slip thru waivers.

  15. Melk Man July 28th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    What happens if one of these rumors that Brett is making up actually comes to fruition? Does ESPN hire him? Does he replace Rosenthal at FOX?

  16. blake July 28th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    The Mets want to trade for an overpriced and underperforming pitcher to try and boost ticket sales for 2011?…lol, sounds about right.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com

  17. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    :lol:

    One of my followers repeated one of my rumors on another blog.

    :lol:

    My goal is to punk Olney and Stark those little rats.

  18. Warning Track Power July 28th, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    i hate to sound like a broken record, but some of the best trades are trades that are never
    made.

  19. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Bronx Jeers,

    I’ve got Twitter tweets, iphone display screens and official NYY logos.

    Fledgling blogger today, media empire tomorrow.

    :lol:

  20. ron July 28th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    I would assure dunn he won’t dh more than a few games a week,platoon him in rf but would not give up montero.

    Dunn’s bat in our lineup will go a long,long way,more so than any other bat we can possibly get at the deadline & make up for cervelli playing way too much.

    Also we do not wan’t the rays to get dunn,they might go for it because rumor has it they wan’t to lower payroll significantly next year to 60 million or under.

  21. Bronx Jeers July 28th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Since being traded to Texas, Cliff Lee has 25 Ks and 1 walk. Since being traded to Seattle, Justin Smoak has 22 Ks and 1 walk”

    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    Pete tweeted something this weekend about Smoak.

    Something like…”The Mariners passed on Jesus Montero for this guy?”

  22. Wave Your Hat July 28th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    IF the Nationals make Dunn available he will go for a boatload of talent. There are a lot of teams fishing in those waters.

  23. CR9 July 28th, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    It’s fun to be able to have full faith in Cashman, and know that he whatever deal he makes will best suit both the short-term and long-term goals of the Yankees.

  24. justinxdance27 July 28th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    SS Jeter
    RF Swisher
    1B Teixeira
    3B Arod(hits 600 tonight for bonus, lol)
    2B Cano
    DH Posada
    CF Granderson
    C Cervy
    LF GGBG

    Thank you!

  25. ron July 28th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    I don’t know what it would take to get dunn but the rays are supposed to be interested,white sox also.
    Trust,we don’t wan’t him on the rays.

  26. jpb173 July 28th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    I think the Yankees will need to get their bullpen help by the 7/31 deadline. After that, I don’t see how Boston lets anything worth having slip thru waivers.

    ————————————————————————————————–

    You are probably right, but there are 2 things were remembering.

    1. If a player is claimed on waivers the team picking him up has to pay his salary.
    2. Major League Baseball has informed the Red Sox that they are currently over the threshold for the luxury cap.

    So, if the Red Sox decide to claim someone off of waivers then that salary increase is going to be added to their luxury tax. I suspect they will only claim someone off of waivers if they REALLY WANT THAT PARTICULAR PLAYER.

  27. ron July 28th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    I think seattle is going to regret not getting montero.

  28. raymagnetic July 28th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    Is there any difference between Adam Dunn and what Jason Giambi was his last few years with the Yankees?

    The only difference I see is that Giambi struck out a lot less than Dunn does. Otherwise they’re virtually identical ballplayers.

    In other words, if I’m the Yankees there is no way I’d trade a ton of talent for the guy.

  29. Keith--FL July 28th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Anyone think it’s time to bring up Chad Tracy to be a DH and back-up 3B, 1B instead of Miranda…he is hitting .333 with 6 HR’s and 17 RBI’s in 91 AB’s and played 1B last night in SWB…maybe he can be the answer instead of Perhalta, Wiggington, etc…..I dont think he is on the 40 man roster but could be worth a shot…..also has pretty good overall career #’s….

  30. bisonthrow July 28th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    GTLU

    SS Jete
    RF Swish
    1B Tex
    3B Arod
    2B Cano
    DH Posada
    CF Granderson
    C Frisco
    LF Gardner

  31. Patrick from CT July 28th, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    The Yankees need to score some runs tonight. The last 2 games have not been great.

    GTLU-

    Jeter-ss
    Swish-rf
    Tex-1b
    Arod-3b
    Cano-2b
    Posada-dh
    Granderson-cf
    Cervelli-c
    Gardner-lf

    Thanks Doreen!

  32. CR9 July 28th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    maybe it will all work out in the end. we win the 2010 world series, keep montero, sign cliff lee in the offseason, and Jack loser Z is out of a job in a few years!

  33. ron July 28th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    “So, if the Red Sox decide to claim someone off of waivers then that salary increase is going to be added to their luxury tax. I suspect they will only claim someone off of waivers if they REALLY WANT THAT PARTICULAR PLAYER”.

    Imo they have to think they have a shot this year also.

    One big injury changes that but ells in on his way back,becket is back & in addition what do the yankees do for example if we got lee or get dunn,etc….

  34. Bill D July 28th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    “1. If a player is claimed on waivers the team picking him up has to pay his salary.
    2. Major League Baseball has informed the Red Sox that they are currently over the threshold for the luxury cap”

    True, but at this point I’m not sure that’s a big deal. As an example, let’s say Downs is claimed by the Red Sox in August. He makes $4M this year. For 1/3 of the season that’s $1.6M. 22% of that is like another $450K. They aren’t going to balk in a case like that. Think the numbers at this point are small enough where they won’t be bothered by the 22% premium.

  35. Erin July 28th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Patrick from CT July 28th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
    The Yankees need to score some runs tonight. The last 2 games have not been great.

    ***********************
    Maybe they’re just waiting and will score a ton of runs in Tampa. That would be OK with me. ;)

  36. rconn23 July 28th, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Dunn’s an elite power hitter. He is a virtual certainty for 40 home runs a year. With the Yankee Stadium short porch that number would only increase.

    Dunn is an impactful player. He would be a boon to any lineup.

    Jason Giambi, though he takes a lot of lumps for his defense, is one of the top 50 hitters of all time.

  37. blake July 28th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    I’m not as high on Dunn as a lot of others are either. He has amazing power but you’d be asking an already low contact guy to learn a new league down the stretch….he’s not a good defender and dislikes DHing…I wouldn’t give up much to get him and the competition will make prices higher than I’d probably go.

  38. BSpoon55 July 28th, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Assuming a fade over the next three weeks, is Manny Ramirez a potential option in a waiver deal? Dodgers need cash, Yanks have it and Manny isn’t coming back in 2011 to LA…Torre knows the farm and which bullpen arm he’d like to blow out next…

  39. ron July 28th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    CR9

    The million dollar question.

    Do we not try to get better but it costs up a ws & millions more in revenue???

  40. Fran the original July 28th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Doreen,

    I am going with the favorite line-up for today.

    SS Jeter
    RF Swisher
    1B Teixeira
    3B Rodriguez
    2B Cano
    DH Posada
    CF Granderson
    C Cervelli
    LF Gardner

    Thanks :)

  41. blake July 28th, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    I don’t think Jason Giambi is one of the best 50 hitters of all time.

  42. ron July 28th, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    The only way i touch manny is if there was no steroid or anphetamine testing..

  43. CR9 July 28th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    ron

    I think you misunderstood. I was all for trading Montero for Lee. But since Jack Z screwed us over because he’d rather have Justin Smook (misspelling intentional), maybe it will work out in the end, with us as champions, hold onto Montero, get Lee in offseason.

    Then, 10 years down the road, Jack Z can ring up my purchase at Barney’s New York.

  44. Warning Track Power July 28th, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Jeter-SS
    Swisher-RF
    Tex-1B
    ARod-3B
    Cano-2B
    Posada-DH
    Granderson-CF
    Cervelli-C
    Gardner-LF

  45. ron July 28th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    CR9

    Yes i did,my bad.

    That would be sweet.

  46. upstate kate July 28th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    if the Yankees didn’t hang on to Johnny D or Sui, why would they want Manny?

  47. MaineYankee July 28th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Kate

    Don’t you realise that common sense doesn’t work in fantasy trades?

  48. MaineYankee July 28th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    realize

  49. Bronx Jeers July 28th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Giambi is 44th all time in HR’s.

    And he had a great eye.

    That’s about all I can say about that.

  50. ron July 28th, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Joba awaits his unknown future
    By Benjamin Kabak in Musings.

    http://riveraveblues.com/

  51. Captain Clutch July 28th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    So for Downs the Jays want Montero and Joba or is one enough for them? These loser teams are funny.

  52. jpb173 July 28th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    “1. If a player is claimed on waivers the team picking him up has to pay his salary.
    2. Major League Baseball has informed the Red Sox that they are currently over the threshold for the luxury cap”

    True, but at this point I’m not sure that’s a big deal. As an example, let’s say Downs is claimed by the Red Sox in August. He makes $4M this year. For 1/3 of the season that’s $1.6M. 22% of that is like another $450K. They aren’t going to balk in a case like that. Think the numbers at this point are small enough where they won’t be bothered by the 22% premium.

    =====================================================

    Bill, its not just the salary that Boston has to pick up but its the benefits for the entire season. Its the benefits that has put the Red Sox over the luxury tax threshold as-is. If Boston waits until August, they may be out of the race.

    Boston could look to reduce their salary and benefit obligations by moving Mike Lowell at the trade deadline, but I’m not sure that there is a market for him. He’s the only high-priced palyer they would consider moving at this point.

  53. Chip July 28th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter – SS
    Swisher – RF
    Tex – 1b
    Alex – DH
    Cano – 2b
    Granderson – CF
    Cervelli – C
    Gardner – LF
    Pena – 3b

  54. MaineYankee July 28th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Bronx

    Did he hit those HR clean?

  55. Doreen July 28th, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    The following people have submitted lineups for GTLU so far. If I missed your name, please let me know.

    YankeeBlue222
    Erica
    upstate kate
    Erin
    justinxdance27
    bisonthrow
    Patrick from CT
    Fran (the original)
    Warning Track Power

  56. Chip July 28th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Repost:

    Get me the following four guys:

    Chi Cubs: Theriot and Sean Marshall
    Pirates: Milledge and Joel Hanrahan

    That?s a LH and RH RP; a good defensive infielder who can hit better than Ramiro Pena and an OF who kills LHP and can play all three spots. And all four of them are young (Theriot?s the oldest at 29) and under team control going forward.

    And I don?t anticipate having to even mention Joba or Montero or Romine in any conversations for them.

  57. ron July 28th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    By Mike Axisa in Mailbag

    Do you think Adam Dunn to Yankees would be good addition? – David Robertson’s biggest fan

    Hell and yes. I’ve even written about this exact topic already. The Nationals are going nowhere quick and haven’t even offered the guy a contract extension, so it would be pretty foolish of them to keep him around and take the draft picks after the season (or hope to re-sign him). Prospects now are worth a whole lot more than draft picks later.

  58. Doreen July 28th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    That list and:

    Chip.

    :)

  59. upstate kate July 28th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Maine Yankee
    yes, I did forget that :)

  60. Chip July 28th, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Steve Phillips with a reminder for people who had forgotten why he’s no longer a GM:

    “Mets should offer the following package for Prince Fielder: Ike Davis, Mejia, Jonathan Niese.”

    For a year and a half of Prince Fielder? Really?

    I can see where he’s coming from, I mean that worked out really well when the Braves traded Salty, Neftali Feliz, Elvis Andrus and Matt Harrison for a year and a half of Teixeira…wait, I’m wrong, that didn’t work out for Atlanta at all.

  61. RayVT July 28th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    SS Derek Jeter
    RF Nick Swisher
    1B Mark Teixeira
    3B Alex Rodriguez
    2B Robinson Cano
    DH Jorge Posada
    CF Curtis Granderson
    C Francisco Cervelli
    LF Brett Gardner

    Thanks Doreen!

  62. theREALkevin July 28th, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    The yankees simply do not acquire sefish lazy players like manny. U will never see guys like him or bj upton on the yanks. shouldn’t that be obvious by now?

  63. ML July 28th, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    SS Jeter
    RF Swisher
    1B Tex
    3B A Rod
    2B Cano
    DH Posada
    CF Granderson
    C Cervelli
    LF Gardner

  64. Chuck58 July 28th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Hi, Doreen! Reckon I will try GTLU again:

    [1] SS Jeet
    [2] RF Swish
    [3] 1B Tex
    [4] 3B “Mr. 600″ Al
    [5] 2B Canoe
    [6] DH ‘Sado
    [7] CF Grandy
    [8] C Cervy
    [9] LF Brett the Jet

    Thanks! :-)

  65. Chuck58 July 28th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    I have a good feel for winning GTLU today, as many folks are guessing the same lineup.
    Hey, Erin!! Looky – Fran has the same lineup as we do! Good luck, gals :-)

  66. yankswin27 July 28th, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Jeter 6
    Swisher 9
    Teixeira 3
    Rodrigurz 5
    Cano 4
    Posada DH
    Granderson 8
    Cervelli 2
    Gardner 7

    Burnett 1

  67. Erin July 28th, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Chuck58 July 28th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    I have a good feel for winning GTLU today, as many folks are guessing the same lineup.
    Hey, Erin!! Looky ? Fran has the same lineup as we do! Good luck, gals

    ***********************
    Hi Chuck! Good luck to you, too. :)

    I think there will either be a lot of winners today, or a lot of losers. LOL

  68. BSpoon55 July 28th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    Re: Damon and Matsui vs. Manny…

    The situation and market has changed, along with the timing. The Yankees are looking for a bat at DH only, and Manny and Dunn have about the same impact. This has nothing to do with a “fantasy trade”- if the Nats are dumping Dunn’s contract and he’s a type-A, why not the Dodgers and Manny, assuming cash is critical to the mess in the Dodgers front office? Why dismiss it out of hand?

    The point about lazy players is a fine one and maybe the reason why it shouldn’t be considered…

  69. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Just catching up from the prior thread.

    I think the Yanks probably need to trade Joba if they don’t think he’s a starter (and if they do, I still don’t see how he fits into the rotation next year) or the next closer of the team. That said, no way do I trade the guy for Scott Downs.

    As SJ said, the idea is to propose a deal that helps both sides, not to rob the other team blind. Alex A. has done a nice job in restocking the Jays’ system, but he might as just well tell the Sox and Yanks to not bother instead of wasting everyone’s time. It’s sort of insulting for him to take calls from both teams and ask for that kind of a price.

  70. Peter R July 28th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Betsy says :
    July 28, 2010 at 1 :25 pm
    Just catching up from the prior
    thread .
    I think the Yanks probably need to
    trade Joba if they don ’t think he ’s a
    starter (and if they do, I still don ’ t
    see how he fits into the rotation
    next year) or the next closer of the
    team. That said , no way do I trade
    the guy for Scott Downs .

    ***********************
    Just joined this conversation but I love how this is almost exactly what Chip was saying when Joba lost starter role at start of season and people nearly crucified him. Now his value is obviously down…..

  71. mick July 28th, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Unless there is a blockbuster I say leave it alone, keep Joba.
    The guy has help out there, he doesn’t have to the exclusive EIG.
    He can be fixed, if he is willing to work.
    We won’t get much for him at this point.

  72. Brian July 28th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Heyman: The Rangers in the Fielder race.

    http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/19756698926

    Good to be using other people’s money.

  73. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    I had an epiphany today.

    I was thinking about this blog and how it’s changed since Pete left and Chad and Sam took over, and while in essence, things are mostly the same, the big difference in my mind, is that Pete would more often than not, post something that he saw or heard in the clubhouse or when interviewing someone that wasn’t necessarily newsworthy, but thought the fans here would love to know or hear about, whereas, the only things that pop up here now under Sam and Chad are news blurbs. “Yankees Game Post”. “Yankees won”. “Yankees lost”. “Arod hits 599″. I’m pretty sure we were there when it happened.

    Ever since Pete departed (for good or ill) he kept us entertained with a lot of tidbits of information about our team that we no longer have with Chad and Sam. No more polls. No hijinx between teammate stories. No great things about the cities he’s travelling to or about the ballparks they’re in. No cool tidbits or cool fans would love to know about team members or rookie’s being broken in. No more interviews with the Yankees where we send in questions…

    I guess I’m saying – this place used to be a lot more fun.

  74. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    I have no interest in Adam Dunn or in trading anyone of any significance for him.

    Montero for Downs? If I’m the Yanks, I just assume they will never be able to deal with the Jays and put them on my “do not call” list.

    Dotel was absolutely mediocre when he was with us, so why would we want to relive that? Nope.

    It’s too bad, but I don’t see how we can improve our bench without completely overpaying.

    Aceves? IMO, the Yankees have to proceed as if he’s not coming back – and I’m assuming he won’t be. Even if he comes back, I’m not going to trust that his back will hold out. I wish he’d had the surgery, to be honest- this way he could start 2011 on time.

  75. G. Love July 28th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Whoever suggested Manny Ramirez earlier, you wouldn’t have to trade for him at the deadline as he would absolutely slip through waivers to the Yankees. No one would claim that salary and Cashman could offer the Dodgers peanuts for him if the Dodgers pulled him back and wanted to talk trade.

    My feeling is the Dodgers, if they are out of it before August 31st, would just let the claiming team take him for nothing but salary relief.

    He’s not a bad idea as a short term rental DH/RH hitter off the bench for the post season run.

    Imagine having him sitting on the bench against an NL team as our #1 pinch hitter.

    As for all the clubhouse cancer stuff, the Yankees clubhouse is strong with leaders and if Manny caused problems, they could just cut him and be done with him.

    He’s not an awful idea as a short term fix.

  76. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    I’m not saying I wouldn’t trade Joba, just that no way I’m trading him for Downs…….

  77. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    I’m also not purposefully or intentionally dissing or in any way disparaging the work that Sam and Chad do on this blog, but just pointing out the things that I thought have been missing since Pete’s departure.

  78. Fran the original July 28th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Chuck,

    Joe Girardi said in the post game last night that Jorge will probably DH tonight. Of course he could be throwing us all off so he’ll win today ;)

  79. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    I’m sick of the Rangers already – and this is ridiculous. They are a very dangerous team, though.

  80. UnKnown July 28th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1B
    Alex 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner LF

  81. Chuck58 July 28th, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Good point, Erin, although GTLU Guessers are coming out of the woodwork =
    potentially a lot of winners (us!!) AND a lot of losers :-)

  82. Giuseppe Franco July 28th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    I don’t think Pete made this place fun.

    It was fun because it has always had smart baseball fans amidst all the trolls, whiners, complainers, and imposters.

    I think Pete’s ego got way too big big for his britches and he turned into a jerk. I could do without all the cheap shots he used to dish out but certainly couldn’t take.

    As far as I’m concerned, this place got better when Pete left. I’m perfectly happy with the way Chad and Sam run the blog.

  83. G. Love July 28th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    The fact that the Rangers are able to make trades is an absolute joke. If I was a conspiracy theorist I say it’s almost as if Selig is allowing them to build a super team this season for some strange reason.

    Seriously. They are backed financially by all the owners in baseball because they are bankrupt.

    How can they even get on the phone to discuss Prince Fielder?

  84. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    I’m not saying that Pete is the reason why, just that there used to be more topics of conversation here as well as cool not-technically newsworthy info about the Yankees that you don’t see here anymore. I know Pete had his haters, but that aside, he did provide some good info and interviews that we were able to ptich in on.

    Just a thought.

  85. Doreen July 28th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    G. Love -

    I don’t think you need to be a conspiracy theorist to get to that conclusion.

    It’s probably good for MLB in some way for the Rangers to get to the playoffs. It is either going to help their value in a sale or save the franchise altogether.

    It sure seems ridiculous that the most financially strapped team in MLB, arguably, already added the top pitcher and is talking about adding one of the top offensive players, and whatever else!

  86. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    “How can they even get on the phone to discuss Prince Fielder?”

    well, MLBTR asked that same question wondering How the Rangers would get Milwaukee to cover the almost $4 mil left on his contract since he’s going to cost a ton in prospects anyway?? My guess is that they’re assuming that the selling team covers the cost, and the Rangers pay out the wazoo in prospects. But that philosophy won’t work on a player that’s already going to cost a ton of prospects…

  87. Chuck58 July 28th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    That’s true, Fran [reckon Joey reads this blog?].

  88. Bob July 28th, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    SS Jeter
    RF Swisher
    1B Teixeira
    DH ARod
    2B Cano
    C Jorge
    CF Granderson
    3B Pena
    LF Gardner

  89. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    I hope the Rangers get their behinds kicked in the playoffs……

  90. Doreen July 28th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    sunny615 -

    I agree with what you’re saying.

  91. blake July 28th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    I would have interest in Dunn but I think the price tag may outweigh the concerns. How would he adjust to being a DH? How would he adjust to a new league (let’s remember this wouldn’t be a full season…only a couple of months)? Etc…plus the team is already pretty LH dominant.

    I’d love to have him but with several other teams interested it just doesn’t seem practical to me.

  92. YankeeBlue222 July 28th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Brian July 28th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
    Heyman: The Rangers in the Fielder race.
    http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/19756698926
    Good to be using other people’s money.
    _______________________________________________

    Brian,

    It’s how our “great” country is run these days. This shouldn’t be a surprise!

  93. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Thanks Doreen!

    I guess “fun” wasn’t the accurate word – “interesting” would be better I think…

  94. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    no politics please. Thanks.

  95. YankeeBlue222 July 28th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
    I’m not saying that Pete is the reason why, just that there used to be more topics of conversation here as well as cool not-technically newsworthy info about the Yankees that you don’t see here anymore. I know Pete had his haters, but that aside, he did provide some good info and interviews that we were able to ptich in on.

    Just a thought.
    _______________________________________

    Sunny,

    I agree. Chad and Sam do a wonderful job, but they mostly just relay the same material that you can find on ESPN and elsewhere.

    What made Pete stand above the pact was his insight, Q&A’s, mailbags and general concern to provide us fans with the most content.

    I loved his “Greetings from Terminal…” posts. It made it seem as if I was with him…following the team. Not many people have that talent…Pete does.

    Sure, he had a few enemies on here, but not one person can honestly say this blog is better (content-wise) without him.

  96. BSpoon55 July 28th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    G Love

    That’s exactly my point on Manny…he’d play it up too and play nice (since he’s playing for a contract anyway)…the dreads would be gone, he’d say how he always wanted to play in the Bronx being from NYC…

    All his steroid and drama mess got handled by LA…and if it came back- so what? the only thing Yankee fans care about is WS rings…

    He could come here, bat 6th after Cano and before Jorge, be a Pinch Hitter in a WS if they’re so lucky to be able to go…

    And all for peanuts in a waiver deal…

  97. upstate kate July 28th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    hmmm…I think I am in trouble as my line up is different from Fran, Chuck and Erin…Granderson has great #s against Carmona, doesn’t anyone want him to bat 2nd?

  98. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Blake, I have no interest in Dunn precisely because the asking price will be way too high; I’m not giving up anything of real value for him.

  99. Bronx Jeers July 28th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    I’m sure any money the Rangers take on has to be approved by the judge handling the bankruptcy.

    Bottom line is a better team means more revenue and possibly a higher selling price which is good for creditors. Like Arod.

  100. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    What I don’t get is if you guys are complaining, why you hang out here? You can hang out on Pete’s blog…….

  101. Irreverent Discourse July 28th, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    i do not care about bruce springsteen or his disdain for a-rod… or the fact that he secretly hated the yankees because he’s a sox fan.

    so I can honestly say that i enjoy the blog content much more now.

  102. blake July 28th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    G. Love made some pretty good points about Manny and I wouldn’t be opposed to that really. He will be movtivated for a new contract and the Yankees will not tolerate his nonsense….as you say they would just get rid of him.
    He can still hit when he’s healthy and has reason to.

  103. Melk Man July 28th, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    It’s good for MLB if the Rangers go deep in the playoffs… increases their value to the potential buyer.

    In a way, it is good if they assemble a super-team. Not for us, but for the owners. The higher the value of the Rangers, the greater they benefit.

  104. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    It’s not MLB’s business to help make the Rangers a good team……….and it’s completely unfair.

  105. SJ44 July 28th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    The next collective bargaining agreement negotiations are going to be real interesting to watch.

    The most interesting part of it is not going to be owners vs. players. Its going to be owners vs. owners.

    I’m sure the owners aren’t real happy about subsidizing the Rangers pursuit of a playoff spot.

    If I’m an owner of an AL West team, and I have run my business the right way, I’d be pretty #@#$#$ right now.

    If I’m the Yankees or Red Sox? I’m going to bargain to the death the absurdity that revenue sharing has become in the game.

    I think we may be seeing Hal Steinbrenner channel his dad in the upcoming negotiations.

    Its really reached the level of unfairness in how Uncle Bud runs this industry these days.

    From incompetent umpires to making sure small market teams make a fortune and not dip into their profits to become competitive, we now add the bankrupt Texas Rangers being able to wheel and deal…….all with other teams monies.

    What a joke.

  106. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Well said, SJ. Now I’m frustrated, lol.

  107. SJ44 July 28th, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Manny will never be a Yankee.

    He won’t cut his hair, the Yankees aren’t going to make an exception for him, and frankly, they don’t want the grief he brings.

    He also is a shell of his former self as a hitter.

    Too much nonsense for too little a return.

  108. mick July 28th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    If Bud had a way to get steroids back in the game, he would.
    Attendance is down and so are power numbers.
    It might be “the year of the pitcher” but that’s not what puts fannies in the seats.

  109. Doreen July 28th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Betsy -

    I don’t think anyone’s complaining, at least I’m not and sunny615 said he wasn’t.

    I think it’s okay to miss the extra stuff that Pete brought here. Kind of a mixed bag.

  110. YankeeBlue222 July 28th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
    What I don’t get is if you guys are complaining, why you hang out here? You can hang out on Pete’s blog…….
    _____________________________________________________________

    Betsy,

    I can’t believe I actually I have to say this, but as a YANKEE fan, why would I hang out on Pete’s Red Sox blog?

    It’s not complaining. It’s making a truthful observation.

  111. SJ44 July 28th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Where the Rangers go in the playoffs will do nothing to increase their value to a possible buyer.

    You don’t count on annual revenues from post-season receipts when you are factoring in the value of a franchise.

    Their bottom line, debts and all, aren’t going to be erased with a post-season berth.

  112. Bad Scooter July 28th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    The blog is as good as ever and is only as good as the people that post here. Chad and Sam are doing a great job.

  113. Erica in NY July 28th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    SJ44 July 28th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    The next collective bargaining agreement negotiations are going to be real interesting to watch.
    **************

    I can’t handle another strike. 1994/1995 was sad

  114. Wave Your Hat July 28th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Manny is currently hitting .317/ .409/ .516/ .925. That ain’t chopped liver.

    But the Dodgers are only 5 games and 1 game out of the wild card. Why exactly are they going to trade Manny?

  115. BSpoon55 July 28th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Dodgers had lost 6 games in a row a week ago…my original comment where I brought this up assumed a slide into mid-August so that a waiver trade would be the only option.

    Manny is singing for his supper at this point…he’d lop that hair in a heartbeat

  116. G. Love July 28th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    BSpoon55,

    Sorry I didn’t give you credit for the original thought. I couldn’t find the post above.

    The only problem I see with Manny as a waiver trade candidate in August is the Dodgers staying close enough in the wild card chase.

    If they are 7-8 games out of that in August, they owe it to their owners to put him on waivers and hope for a claim.

    I don’t see another team that would claim him because he’d still be due 6-7 million for the remainder of the season.

    I can’t see the Rays taking that on. Boston wouldn’t for obvious reasons.

    Maybe the Angels would if they were close to Texas or the wild card, but they already have DH covered with Matsui.

    He’d be the kind of acquisition that Canseco, Strawberry were where we’d DH him and keep him as the RH bat off the bench.

    It’s an expensive proposition, but not one out of the realm of possibility.

    I also don’t think he’d walk into the Yankee clubhouse and ruin the chemistry. I actually think some of the guys would get a kick out of him being there for the pennant chase and watching him cut the dreads.

    It’s definitely something to keep an eye on, although as of now he has an injured calf and is on the DL. He hasn’t really played much this season, but his OPS is still strong when he has.

  117. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Doreen, I guess it’s different strokes for different folks. It never occurred to me to miss Pete’s posts about Yankee goings on. I don’t even sense anything different here….if there’s stuff we want to talk about aside from the Yanks, we do and so we don’t need other posts for that. I mean, if Chad wants to do that, that’s fine. If not, it’s no big deal to me. It’s the posters who make the place anyway…….Frankly, back to Pete, I disliked his Springsteen stuff because I don’t care about Springsteen – or enough about music in general to talk about it on a blog.

  118. tampayank July 28th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    “# Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    I’m sick of the Rangers already – and this is ridiculous. They are a very dangerous team, though.

    they remind me of the 08 Rays, the chemistry looks good there. definitely a dangerous team that can score a lot of runs

  119. Wave Your Hat July 28th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    If the Rangers are functioning within the system baseball set up for them (and they are), there’s no unfairness. And companies in bankruptcy are often, somewhat paradoxically, cash rich.

    I’m worried about them. Facing them in a 5 or 7 game series, with Lee pitching 2 of those games and the rest of their rotation not being exactly weak either, won’t be fun. Between the Rangers and the Rays the Yanks have their post-season work cut out for them. We need to win the division to get the central champ in the first round.

  120. Doreen July 28th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    SJ44 -

    Then why does MLB allow the Rangers to operate as if they have money? It must benefit someone in someway?

    Bad Scooter -

    And no one said Chad and Sam aren’t doing a great job here. It’s just a bit different, and I don’t see why it’s not okay to express the feeling that some of the features that were present with Pete are not here anymore. And sunny615 didn’t say the non-Yankee stuff; he specifically talked about the extra Yankee stuff that Pete shared – the stuff that doesn’t always get into the papers; the mailbag (which was questions from posters here) and the player Q&A (and the questions were submitted by posters here); and quirky stuff about the players you wouldn’t know unless you were in the clubhouse.

    Pete was a Yankees beat writer longer than Chad; I wouldn’t expect Chad to have the same access to some of the players. But Chad has an advantage in knowing the younger players, the call-ups, and he DOES share that with us when he can, when it’s apropos.

  121. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    I’m not going that far, Tampa………..then again, any team is dangerous in the post-season. Keep Lee far away from the Yankees, lol.

  122. G. Love July 28th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    SJ,

    You really don’t think Manny would find religion at his age and contract status given the opportunity to the put the pinstripes on and stick it to Boston?

    You don’t think Boras would tell him what the opportunity of helping the Yankees win a title would mean when it comes to his next contract?

    You know these guys better than I do, so I’ll take your word for it.

  123. raymagnetic July 28th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    “Manny is singing for his supper at this point…he’d lop that hair in a heartbeat”

    He’s not singing for his supper. Manny has made more money in his life than 95% of the people on the planet.

    He has no incentive to cut his hair.

  124. tampayank July 28th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    the Rangers scare me more than the Rays

  125. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
    What I don?t get is if you guys are complaining, why you hang out here? You can hang out on Pete?s blog??.

    —————
    Betsy,

    what are you all upset about? I don’t recall attacking you in any way nor was I making any derogatory comments about the blog. I just said I noticed that the little things that differentiated this blog from a website like ESPN have been missing since pete left. Get off your high horse and stop putting words into other people’s mouths. Honestly, I’m taken aback by your hostility about this – and frankly, I don’t think it’s your place to tell other people where they should and shouldn’t go. It’s called an observation and you’re confrontational attitude is pretty stupid.

  126. CR9 July 28th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    lol @ the uproar over the Rangers. what is unfair about it. it’s perfectly equitable of mlb to help a team in competition with the Yankees, and in one case, take the opportunity of a Cy Young pitcher away from the Yankees and give it directly to the competition. YAY for BUD!

  127. tampayank July 28th, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    I’m against Manny being a Yank but that would be entertaining from a media perspective

  128. Wave Your Hat July 28th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    sunny615, you sound like Betsy, LOL.

  129. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 28th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    “As far as I?m concerned, this place got better when Pete left. I?m perfectly happy with the way Chad and Sam run the blog.”

    I completely agree 100%.

  130. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    I’m not going to worry at this point, not seriously – I mean, the Yankees won’t be an easy out for any team – Rangers included. I want to win the division, but not because I’m scared of the Rangers – I hate the idea of being scared of any team. It’s just not ideal having to face Lee in a 5 game series.

  131. tampayank July 28th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Rangers are playing by the rules, just like the Yankees.

    Wonder if they’ll let Cuban buy a share of the team? I think he would be good for baseball

  132. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Um, Wave, what does that mean?

  133. BSpoon55 July 28th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    G Love

    Sorry- 1st time poster- not sure I know the rules anyway.

    I don’t see Manny as a clubhouse issue either…is the media coverage of the Yankees somehow going to be bigger than it is (or was with Matsui in the clubhouse with the Japanese media contingent)?

    And I agree with your point that Manny is no bigger an ego/distraction/clubhouse issue as Straw or Canseco was at the time…

  134. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Thanks Wave. I’ll take that as a compliment.

  135. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    Rangers are playing by the rules? Nope -as I recall, the Expos/Nats were not allowed to make any moves when they were in trouble; what, the Rangers can? I see no reason why other teams should have to pay for this team to do it’s thing.

  136. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    I really have nothing to say Sunny because if you think I was attacking you, that is a complete overreaction.

  137. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    LOL wow……..and Wave, I don’t deserve to be insulted; what did I ever say to you?

  138. YankeeBlue222 July 28th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Doreen July 28th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    And no one said Chad and Sam aren’t doing a great job here. It’s just a bit different, and I don’t see why it’s not okay to express the feeling that some of the features that were present with Pete are not here anymore. And sunny615 didn’t say the non-Yankee stuff; he specifically talked about the extra Yankee stuff that Pete shared – the stuff that doesn’t always get into the papers; the mailbag (which was questions from posters here) and the player Q&A (and the questions were submitted by posters here); and quirky stuff about the players you wouldn’t know unless you were in the clubhouse.
    ___________________

    Well said! It’s exactly how I feel.

  139. Erica in NY July 28th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    tampayank July 28th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
    the Rangers scare me more than the Rays
    ****************

    I think the Yankees are better than both, but if you gave me the choice I would definitely rather face the Central in the first round.

    You know the Rangers will stack their rotation in the first round so that Lee pitches twice

  140. Pat M. July 28th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Pete has his positives, and he’s been on the scene longer than our new proctors….However that being said, if you want a clearer perspective on Ole Pete, just ask Tar or GB7….And then sit back for the amusement…….The Lohud is in good hands in my opinion…..

  141. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Not saying everything Pete did was great. I am not a big Springsteen fan either. But it was cool to hear about stuff that went on behind the scenes that probably wouldn’t get past an editor’s desk.

  142. blake July 28th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    In a short series the Rangers could be very dangerous.

  143. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Yeah, Wave – because I make a point of calling people stupid and confronting them. I only fight back if I’m attacked – and maybe if you saw the history of certain posters against me, you would be a bit more understanding.

  144. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Betsy, if I overreacted, then my apologies. But honestly, how should any Yankee fan take the offer to go to a Red Sox blog?

  145. tampayank July 28th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    I just don’t think Yankee fans should complain b/c we don’t always get the big fish. Imagine the uproar from the rest of baseball if Lee landed in Pinstripes for the rest of this season? It’s the reason baseball is losing mass appeal. It would be different next season if Pettitte retires than the Yanks get Lee on the free market but adding him this year would have had a ‘throw in the towel’ on the sport from the rest of the country when you stack a rotation that much from outside the organization. Might not be the popular opinion on here but I tend to look at things on what is good for the sport of Baseball, not just the Yankees. I think it’s great the excitement Rangers fans are feeling this summer, that’s good for baseball.

  146. Doreen July 28th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    sunny615 -

    The baby is out with the bathwater. :)

    I know what you mean. And I don’t miss Pete, per se, and I like Sam and Chad and how they manage this blog, and how there’s a lot less rancor. But the particular things you spoke of, they were neat. That’s all.

  147. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Anyway, have to leave – and obviously it’s at the right time.

    “See” you later!

  148. YankeeBlue222 July 28th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Laura – I Bleed Blue July 28th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    “As far as I?m concerned, this place got better when Pete left. I?m perfectly happy with the way Chad and Sam run the blog.”

    I completely agree 100%.
    _________________________________________

    What got better? The comment sections just because Pete wasn’t arguing and calling out people who had stupid opinions/reactions? In that case, then yes, it probably is better.

    But as far as content and “going that extra mile,” the content on this blog is nowhere near where it was when Pete was here.

    You would have to have a vendetta against Pete to think otherwise.

  149. Wave Your Hat July 28th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    If the Dodgers fell and hit their heads and said “here Yanks, take Manny”, I don’t see the Yanks saying no thanks.

    I for one would get a huge kick out of seeing Manny in pinstripes playing Boston, I admit it. What a hoot!

    It’s all about as likely as me winning the lottery, but still…

  150. Betsy July 28th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Oh please Sunny – I was being facetious.

  151. Irreverent Discourse July 28th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    the only constant in your troubles is…

  152. Guru Man July 28th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    SJ said, He also is a shell of his former self as a hitter.”

    *************

    I don’t think the Yankees will get him, but the above line is not really accurate. his OPS in a large park is .925, that is really good. IN fact, only Cano has a higher OPS on our team and only Swish and Cano are over .900. I guess ARod and Tex are a shell of their former selves?

  153. Brian July 28th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    # SJ44 July 28th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Where the Rangers go in the playoffs will do nothing to increase their value to a possible buyer.

    You don’t count on annual revenues from post-season receipts when you are factoring in the value of a franchise.

    Their bottom line, debts and all, aren’t going to be erased with a post-season berth.
    ————————

    Plus, in the Lee trade they sent their most coveted young player to Seattle for a rental player they have little chance to sign after this year.

    They are supposedly offering other young players for just about every available player rumored to be on the market, whether they are signed beyond this season or not.

    There’s no way, if they are able to make more of these types of trades for rental players, that this is going to increase their value, no matter what they do in this year’s post season.

    It’s one thing for the bankruptcy judge to let them increase payroll for these trades; it’s another for current Texas management to trade away prospects for rental players.

  154. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Doreen July 28th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
    sunny615 -

    The baby is out with the bathwater.

    I know what you mean. And I don’t miss Pete, per se, and I like Sam and Chad and how they manage this blog, and how there’s a lot less rancor. But the particular things you spoke of, they were neat. That’s all.
    ————

    Thanks Doreen. That’s all I was trying to say. (Not very well evidently.)

  155. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Then I apologize Betsy.

  156. Laura - I Bleed Blue July 28th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    “What got better? The comment sections just because Pete wasn?t arguing and calling out people who had stupid opinions/reactions? In that case, then yes, it probably is better. ”

    Pete wasn’t just arguing with people who had stupid options or reactions. GB7 may be a crazy old man, but I wouldn’t call his options or reactions stupid. Pete’s hatred for Alex was well documented. His attacks on blog members was as well. Call me crazy, but that’s not how this place should have been run. Pete was a hypocrite and a phony. I’m glad he’s gone.

  157. Guru Man July 28th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    My above post was about Manny. If I am the Yanks I send Joba down to the minors for a few weeks to get his mechanics straightened out and I bring up Montero to be the every day DH and occasional catcher or emergency catcher. Honestly, Cervelli can’t hit major league pitching and while his defense is decent, it has not been good of late.

  158. Melk Man July 28th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    “Wonder if they’ll let Cuban buy a share of the team? I think he would be good for baseball”

    Agree. See what he has done for the NBA and the Mavs? He would certainly bring buzz to the league and would actually spend money.

    Don’t know if Selig wants to deal with him though… he probably wants a yes-man.

  159. 86w183 July 28th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    the budget for the Rangers was approved by the bankruptcy court, but their ability to make payroll is dependent on money from MLB. It’s outrageous that the Angels are subsidizing the team they are chasing.

    I think revenue sharing is generally a good thing because of the advantages certain markets do enjoy, but must be tied to a minimum payroll. It’s the only way to keep these blood suckers (Pittsburgh, Florida et al) from living off the better franchises.

    Luxury taxes are fine, but the level is too low and the rate is too high. I don’t like things that are anti-competitive.

  160. Doreen July 28th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    The following people have submitted lineups so far for GTLU. If I missed your nam,e please let me know.

    YankeeBlue222
    Erica
    upstate kate
    Erin
    justinxdance27
    bisonthrow
    Patrick from CT
    Fran (the original)
    Warning Track Power
    Chip
    RayVT
    ML
    Chuck58
    yankswin27
    unknown
    Bob

  161. YankeeBlue222 July 28th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Laura – I Bleed Blue July 28th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
    “What got better? The comment sections just because Pete wasn?t arguing and calling out people who had stupid opinions/reactions? In that case, then yes, it probably is better. ”

    Pete wasn’t just arguing with people who had stupid options or reactions. GB7 may be a crazy old man, but I wouldn’t call his options or reactions stupid. Pete’s hatred for Alex was well documented. His attacks on blog members was as well. Call me crazy, but that’s not how this place should have been run. Pete was a hypocrite and a phony. I’m glad he’s gone.
    ______________________________________________________________

    Laura, you are probably right.

    That still doesn’t mean he didn’t provide more insightful material and a better point-of-view than what is present now.

    You have to remember, the people who post on here are maybe 5% of the total readers of this blog.

    Maybe Pete did an awful job with those 5%, but for the most part, he rocked as a beat writer.

  162. Bronx Jeers July 28th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Besides Arod, the Rangers also owe money to Vicente Padilla.

    Get in line, greaseball!

  163. Bad Scooter July 28th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Some people need to relax. Nobody is attacking anybody. People are just posting opinions on the blog and everyone is entitled to them.

    The one thing I don’t miss is Pete attacking posters that didn’t agree with some of his opinions. Sam and Chad have never done that.

  164. Howe Farr July 28th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    pete lost all cred when he went on No Maas and started putting those people down, for no reason at all.

    His love for Giambi was gross when compared to Arod, they both did the same thing and the way pete handled it was absolutely non objective.

    He treated people here how, i suspect, people treated him growing up.

    I’m glad he is gone, he made fun of Hispanic players and when called out on it he actually said “i have latin friends”

  165. Wave Your Hat July 28th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    “The one thing I don’t miss is Pete attacking posters that didn’t agree with some of his opinions.”

    What’s wrong with that? Is TLYB an attack-free zone?

  166. CountryClub July 28th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    You can forget about Werth getting traded now that Victorino hit the DL. Phillies also called up their #1 prospect.

  167. tampayank July 28th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Pete bashing thread? I’m in :)

    he was obsessed w/ AROD, it was sad

  168. Pat M. July 28th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    GB going toe to toe with Pete were classic……And never would Pete ever consider expelling GB ……..I have to admit, it made for great entertainment…….

  169. Chuck58 July 28th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    Hey, Kate! You may indeed be on to something with Grandy batting second. Pat M. championed that early on, if I recollect correctly. I like stability in the lineup, so I went with Swish batting second, but who knows?

    We will, in another 30 – 45 minutes! hahaha ;-)

  170. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Those are other things I don’t miss about Pete (Arod, GB7 wars,…). Like I said, it’s not the man I miss, but some of the content he provided that you wouldn’t see in a paper (or website).

  171. raymagnetic July 28th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Pete likely dissed A-Rod because he knew it would generate hits on the blog.

    There’s a reason this blog is the number one Yankee blog on the net.

    Pete Abe had a lot to do with it, but the people on this blog also had a lot to do with it.

  172. CountryClub July 28th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    It’s obvious that a lot of you dislike the way Pete ran the blog. But I came here mostly because he provided a lot of info that you couldnt fine on espn.com or USA Today (in other words, info you could find anywhere). I also enjoyed the fact that he was happy to give his opinion. I didn’t care if i agreed with it or not…it made for good conversation.

  173. Erin July 28th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    upstate kate July 28th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
    hmmm?I think I am in trouble as my line up is different from Fran, Chuck and Erin?Granderson has great #s against Carmona, doesn?t anyone want him to bat 2nd?

    ***********************
    don’t worry too much kate-you may be a step ahead of us. ;)

  174. Wave Your Hat July 28th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    CountryClub and sunny615-

    The real agenda here is that a lot of posters got their nose out of joint ’cause Pete left for the arch-enemy Sox. If Pete had gone to cover the Royals it would all be different…

  175. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    good points CountryClub.

  176. CT23 July 28th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Teixeira 1B
    Rodriguez 3B
    Cano 2B
    Posada DH
    Granderson CF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner LF

  177. Giuseppe Franco July 28th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    I don’t want to go on and on about Pete because he’s irrelevant as far as I’m concerned.

    But he did a lot of things that were completely unprofessional while running this blog, especially the final 12 months.

    Neither Chad nor Sam would ever stoop to that level.

  178. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 28th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    CountryClub and sunny615-

    The real agenda here is that a lot of posters got their nose out of joint ’cause Pete left for the arch-enemy Sox. If Pete had gone to cover the Royals it would all be different…
    ——–

    aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh

  179. SJ44 July 28th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    GLove,

    Manny ain’t cuttin’ his hair and he isn’t finding religion at this point! Not for the Yankees and not for anybody. lol

    I think Manny is just Manny. If he didn’t find religion with Torre, he wont find it with Girardi..

    Doreen,

    Its not just the Yankees that have problems with the Rangers situation. Its a big topic among the owners. Especially those in smaller markets.

    Its just Bud convoluted way of doing business.

  180. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    I forgot about that – Pete was raised in Bahston – and a lot of people here accused him of Bahston bias, and that move to work for the Globe cemented that image.

  181. upstate kate July 28th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Chuck
    I actually checked the numbers today, and you know what a numbers guy Girardi is. Also, it does seem that Granderson hits better against the AL central teams, I suppose from knowing them better. But no doubt Girardi will come up w/ something totally unexpected!

  182. Erica in NY July 28th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    In other news-

    3 Days, 1 Hour, and 20 Minutes until the Trade Deadline!!!!

  183. sunny615 July 28th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Cannot wait for Bud to get booted outta the commish’s office… when will that be again?

  184. Jerkface July 28th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Chad has posted a lot of anecdotes, especially regarding the minor leaguers who have come up. Pete didn’t post that many anecdotes either. The most memorable one was the Mo robbing Hrs in BP.

  185. Chuck58 July 28th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Kate, just when we’re on to Joey, he will pull a Billy Martin and draw the lineup out of a hat! hahaha

  186. Giuseppe Franco July 28th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    FWIW, I couldn’t care less what team Pete grew up rooting for or his destination after leaving here.

    I bet there aren’t a ton of Yankee beat writers who grew up rooting for the Yanks. People come from all over the country to NY for employment opportunities. They certainly all can’t be Yankee fans.

    My criticisms of him are solely based on his behavior running this place. I don’t care enough about the Red Sox to worry about what they are doing all the time and which beat writers cover them.

    As long as the writers are fair and report newsworthy tidbits, that’s all I really care about.

  187. CountryClub July 28th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    I wish Chad would do more of the minor league stuff. He obviously has the contacts to give us some good info.

  188. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Texas Rangers got ya down?

    Don’t get mad at the rumors, get even!

    NYYrumors via Twitter

    #Rangers think Joba fixable…Josh Hamilton getting too expensive# Match made in heaven? 1 minute ago

  189. Mgumpher July 28th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    The Rangers current ownership doesn’t have any stake in next season, which is why they have no problem dealing away young players who might help the club in the future. They don’t care one bit about anything but having the chance this year to win so they might be able to pay off some more of the bills.

    MLB should not allow give them any additional funding at this point though. While the Yankees are accused of “buying a Championship”, isn’t it more a case where the Yankees have invested in a winning team built to win over the longer haul? The Rangers are not investing in the team. They are a far more worthy candidate to be called buying a Championship. Sadly its not even their own funds that are doing it either, its MLB’s funds, which means that all the other clubs that are running within their means are the ones who are paying another team to beat them.
    —————–

    On another note, I’ve been wondering quite a bit over the decline of the hitting, especially this year. Last year there was a lot of talk about MLB having the balls made differently. This season there have been minor grumbles out there about the balls being different, yet that’s all we ever seem to hear. It seems to me that this is what a reporter would and should look into. Its not that hard to get balls from the past couple of years and have them compared to each other. Changing the ball, just like the Rockies do with their humidor balls, can change the game quite a bit. Stitching being a little higher means more movement, different winding of the ball can affect how far it can travel, how much spin it can generate.

    Baseball is one of the few sports that can alter something quite easily and have it brushed aside as being a far more variable portion of the game, the pitcher. I find it hard to believe that the majority of pitchers suddenly became better, including scrubs who are AAA players. Just something to think about.

  190. Mike in Chicago July 28th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Wow. Just saw a very funny Geico commercial featuring Randy Johnson!

  191. upstate kate July 28th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Bret you are incorrigible :)

  192. YankeeBlue222 July 28th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    CountryClub July 28th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    It’s obvious that a lot of you dislike the way Pete ran the blog. But I came here mostly because he provided a lot of info that you couldnt fine on espn.com or USA Today (in other words, info you could find anywhere). I also enjoyed the fact that he was happy to give his opinion. I didn’t care if i agreed with it or not…it made for good conversation.
    ________________________________

    And that’s exactly what Sunny, I and a few others are saying. Yes, he probably treated some commentators wrongly, but most people came to this blog to read the content, not what some hoodlum who thinks the Yankees can trade Kei Igawa and Mark Melancon for Josh Johnson.

    Isn’t it great that Pete had opinions? That’s what separates blogs from old school journalism. Feinsand’s blog is all about his opinion/view on Yankee issues.

    Although I still enjoy Chad’s posts, he rarely provides his own insight and view on issues.

  193. CR9 July 28th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    I agree about Pete. The easiest way to tell that Pete was a scumbag was the fact that he attacked GB. All those “death threats” he supposedly received, to try and gain sympathy. Scumbag.

  194. Jerkface July 28th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Please refrain from posting your incredibly fake rumors here.

  195. Erin July 28th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    BryanHoch Is this a good sign? The tarp is being rolled out in Cleveland.

  196. Bob July 28th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Of course Joba is fixable and Dave Eiland or others in the organization can do it. Someone just reminded me about the way Mussina used to look over at first when someone was on. I don’t think I ever saw any other pitcher do that like Moose.

  197. Melk Man July 28th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    The Andy Pettitte Dove commercial is getting on my nerves.

  198. CR9 July 28th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Please continue posting your fake rumors, Bret. As Peter Gammons is able to post his fake rumors anywhere he wants to.

  199. Erin July 28th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Mike in Chicago July 28th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
    Wow. Just saw a very funny Geico commercial featuring Randy Johnson!

    **********************
    The one w/the snowball fight?

    I’m not the biggest Randy Johnson fan, but I do always have to laugh when that comes on. :)

  200. Jerkface July 28th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Here are petes opinions:

    - a-rod drools
    - giambi rules
    - You’re an idiot for not trading Melky and IPK for Gagne!!
    - MY JOB IS SO HARD!! AIRPORTS!! :x

    Here are Chad and Sam’s opinions:

    - Sam likes this trade (pro majors)
    - Chad doesnt like this trade (pro minors)
    - Opinion on a minor leaguer he actually saw play

    They’re the same. Someone please point out these magical pete opinions that weren’t related to a-rod.

  201. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    upstate kate July 28th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
    Bret you are incorrigible

    ***********

    Send my mother some flowers and a condolences card.

  202. Bob July 28th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Here are petes opinions; ASK NO MAAS !

  203. RS July 28th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    If the Rangers try to get Fielder, I bet the Angels will try to swoop in. Fielder makes sense for them. He can play first base the rest of this season and DH next year when Matsui is gone.

  204. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    I am the antidote to Peter Gammons and his homerfanboy Red Sox bogus rumors and rants.

    Send me his rumors and I’ll put my own special spin on them.

    Won’t hurt a bit.

  205. Nick in SF July 28th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    The trade deadline looms
    Yanks fight for division lead
    So more Pete Abe talk?

  206. Eroc July 28th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Pete was like Showalter/Stick
    Chad/Sam are like Joe Torre

    We are likely better off long term with Chad/Sam, but Pete is the reason they are here and successful on this blog. He laid the groundwork and did all the hard work. He was the first one to have a successful blog. He is like George Steinbrenner in 1973… he bought the blog for a million and turned it into a billion. Pete bought low on this blog, put hard work into it and promoted it well, and it boomed into the most successful one on the web.

    Actually, you could even say Pete was like Shoe Torre and Chad/Sam were like Girardi… they needed a change of voice, but the team (blog) was ready to win now (get 1000K comments on a game thread).

  207. Erin July 28th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Ledger_Yankees And those are rain drops out there folks.

  208. Mgumpher July 28th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Not for anything but No MAAS was and still is like the Enquirer, not really worth the bits its “printed” on.

  209. Howe Farr July 28th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    regardless of what your opinion is of No Maas, what pete did was gross

  210. YankeeBlue222 July 28th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    If you asked someone who only read the content of Pete and now Sam, they would clearly say that Pete’s blog was more informative, had more insight, and had more personality.

    You can discredit the man’s personality if he wronged you, but don’t discredit his work with the pen…err…keyboard.

    Maybe it’s only me, but I used to love reading every new entry of Pete’s. Now, (without even realizing it at first), I usually just skim through an entry, because it is the same cookie-cut material that I also see on ESPN and from the other beat writers.

  211. Mike in Chicago July 28th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    # Erin July 28th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Mike in Chicago July 28th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
    Wow. Just saw a very funny Geico commercial featuring Randy Johnson!

    **********************
    The one w/the snowball fight?

    I’m not the biggest Randy Johnson fan, but I do always have to laugh when that comes on. :)
    ——————————–

    That’s the one, Erin. Thought it was very nicely done.

  212. ET July 28th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Texas and LAA are determined to swoop up every good player left on the trade block

    Fielder to TEX
    Dunn to LAA
    Oswalt to TEX
    Brett Myers to LAA
    Lilly to TEX
    Derek Lee to LAA
    Scott Downs to TEX
    Wiggington to LAA
    Cantu to TEX
    Werth to LAA
    Capps to TEX
    Cody Ross and Leo Nunez to LAA
    League and Aardsma to TEX

    They are nice and allow the Mets to get Westbrook.

  213. Spiced Ham July 28th, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Howe Farr July 28th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
    regardless of what your opinion is of No Maas, what pete did was gross
    ——————————

    What did he do? I don’t know and am curious.

  214. Bret The Hitman July 28th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Jerkface July 28th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
    Please refrain from posting your incredibly fake rumors here.

    **********

    Everybody who’s everybody is doing it, Jerkface.

    You ain’t cool unless you post incredibly fake rumors.

  215. Rumors R Us July 28th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    #Yankees after Werth. #Phillies looking for Joba and Nova
    3 minutes ago via web

  216. Jerkface July 28th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Post them all you want on twitter, but if you post them here I’m sure a bunch of idiots won’t realize what you’re doing and it will cause arguments over made up stuff.

  217. Mike in Chicago July 28th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    # Howe Farr July 28th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    regardless of what your opinion is of No Maas, what pete did was gross

    ————————

    What did Pete do on No Maas?

  218. Howe Farr July 28th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    sh, google interested reader and no maas

  219. CountryClub July 28th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    According to weather.com, the best chance of rain is between 9 – 11 pm. This could be one of those games that ends well after midnight.

  220. RickD July 28th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Teixeia 1B
    Arod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Maranda DH
    GrandersonCF
    Cevrelli C
    GardnerLF

  221. Nick in SF July 28th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Buster Posey became the first Giant with a 20-game hit streak since Randy Winn in 2007.

  222. ET July 28th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    According to Joe and Evan… the baseball season is going to start on Friday, April 1st next year, to make sure no WS games start in November

  223. Erin July 28th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Tarp covering the field, but there are clouds looming. Forecast calling for “a strong thunderstorm.”

  224. DYD INDA WUL July 28th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Dog days of August
    May loom but Yankees in first place
    No need to sweat it

  225. Rumors R Us July 28th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    #Yankees game may be rained out. Weather looks lethal.
    4 minutes ago via web

  226. Bryan Hoch July 28th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Little known fact – Chad Jennings is a serviceable bullpen catcher.

  227. Nick in SF July 28th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    No Yankee fear here
    But if we don’t sweat the Yankees
    Then why sweat Pete Abe?

  228. Tyler July 28th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    I know facing Lee in a 5 game series would be tough but what did the Yanks get CC for? I’m sure on Rangers blogs they are nervous about facing the big lefty. Sabathia will step up to the plate and go pitch for pitch with Lee. Y ou can gurantee it. “It would be much different if the game 1 starter for the Yanks was a guy like Wang. Then Lee would make me nervous. CC is just as clutch and will get the job done.

  229. Nick in SF July 28th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Oops! :oops:

    No Yankee fear here
    But if we don’t sweat the Yanks
    Then why sweat Pete Abe?

  230. Bronx Jeers July 28th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    “The Andy Pettitte Dove commercial is getting on my nerves.”

    You dare criticize The Journey To Comfort?

    —————————————————————————————————————-

    “I’m glad he (Pete) is gone, he made fun of Hispanic players and when called out on it he actually said “i have latin friends””

    Wasn’t Pete Latin?

    Well… maybe not but he was definitely something.

  231. Erin July 28th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    New Post: Quiet, rainy day in Cleveland

    :arrow:

  232. Chip July 28th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    SJ44 July 28th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
    Where the Rangers go in the playoffs will do nothing to increase their value to a possible buyer.

    You don?t count on annual revenues from post-season receipts when you are factoring in the value of a franchise.

    Their bottom line, debts and all, aren?t going to be erased with a post-season berth.
    ———————————–

    Yeah but the point is if I’m Arte Moreno, Hal Steinbrenner, or any other owner with a team in the playoff hunt I’m irate about MLB allowing the Rangers to add players when I’m the one paying for them.

    This goes beyond revenue sharing supplementing a team’s income, the rest of baseball is fully covering their payroll.

    And Nolan Ryan and Jon Daniels are operating like a spoiled kid with his dad’s credit card.

  233. Tyler July 28th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Nick-

    Tim Beckham could still become a superstar but I am so happy that the Rays did not add Posey. Adding him to that young stable would have been absolutely deadly.

  234. Bronx Jeers July 28th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    There’s no editing in haiku!

  235. jpb173 July 28th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Does anyone know what Jorge Posada’s status is for tonight’s game? In addition to all of the other problems he’s had the last 2 years, he now has a knee problem. His body really does appear to be breaking down. I don’t think it will hurt the Yankees too much this season (especially if they can lock up a playoff spot fairly early…but I think the Yankees may have to carry 3 catchers next season (Posada, cevelli and either Montero or Romine).

    Its a good thing that someone in the organization had the foresight to draft/sign multiple catchers a few years ago. I suspect that the Yankees feel better about the future at catcher for them than the Red Sox do about the future of that position in Boston.

  236. 86w183 July 28th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Jorge’s contract was destined to be an albatross in 2011. Unfortunately it has been one for 2008 and 2010 too.

    From 2005-07 Jorge started 369 games behind the plate

    From 2008-10 He has started just 158. Even with another 42 starts the rest of the way, which is pretty ambitious He’s end up starting about 56 fewer games behind the dish. And he still has a year to go on the deal.

    This is why you NEVER give more than two years to a catcher in his mid thirties no matter how much you like him.

  237. DYD INDA WUL July 28th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    PeteAbe in beantown
    Worry us not I agree
    Rainout what to do

  238. Guru Man July 28th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Can we please stop with Pete…its over, move on

    As for Texas, they are playing by the rules and their payroll is less than ours so we still have an advantage…let them do what they want. I also disagree that the revenue sharing is so bad. The idea is not really just to help the weaker teams, really what it is about is limiting the teams from outspending everyone else by more than they already are…and it works. Boston works very hard to not spend much more than the threshold, so do other teams, including the Yanks who make sure they spend right when there is a 40% premium on every dollar they spend (is it 40%?). Maybe the money should go for something else, but charging the premium really is not a bad idea; it is a soft cap

    As for the trades; bring up Montero to be our DH

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