Granderson following Teixeira’s footsteps?
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 29, 2010 
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June 7 might have been the low point for Mark Teixeira. After an especially brutal series in Toronto, his batting average was down to .211 with eight home runs, 10 doubles and several calls for him to be knocked out of the No. 3 spot in the lineup.
On June 8, Teixeira had two hits and his first two RBI since May. Since that day he’s hit .331 with 15 doubles, 12 home runs and 38 RBI.
Curtis Granderson might be working toward a similar turnaround. In his past 16 games, Granderson is hitting .339 with three doubles, three home runs, six RBI and 12 runs. Most of his power has come in the past eight games (two doubles, three homers).
“He’s just having good at-bats,” Joe Girardi said. “He’s swinging the bat well. He’s driving the ball. He drove a ball into left-center tonight. That’s a good sign. Take away those first few days after the break, the last two and a half weeks, he’s been pretty good.”
Teixeira’s low point came after 57 games. Because of his early injury, Granderson’s recent hot spell came after his 60th game of the season. His season slash line is up to .250/.318/.437, which isn’t far from last year’s line of .249/.327/.453.
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#phils, #astros agree on players in oswalt trade. 2 sticking points left: roy’s approval, the $16 mil option for ’12
Now that the Rockies are sellers the Yankees should look into Ryan Spilborghs and/or Melvin Mora as potentially cheap pickups.
Spilborghs has a career .844 OPS vs LHP and seems to be at least an adequate corner OF.
Mora could be a nice bench piece ala Jerry Hairston. He has played 1B, 2B, 3B, and LF this season.
The Grandy Man can
LGY-
I have always like Spilly. I very much doubt the Rox would move him, and if they did I think they would ask for too much.
Would like to have him.
Funny that this is a Grandy post because I thought about this trade idea this morning…
Yanks Get: Dunn, Willingham and Capps
Nats get: Granderson, Nova, McCallister + ???? (hitting prospect but not Montero/Romine)
*If its not enough going to Washington than take out Capps*
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Tex 1B
Arod 3B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Dunn DH
Willingham LF
Gardner CF
have always been a fan of Melvin Mora. He plays multiple positions. And he has historically hit, against the Yankees.
to me, he would be an even better pick-up then Jerry Hariston (last year)
The Yanks have Moeller at Scranton and Rene Rivera at Trenton. Rivera has played with Scranton and Trenton this year. He’s there mainly to help teach Romine, but, he’s also hit well in both leagues. Has major league experience and a gun for an arm. He’s thrown out 43% of the runners this year and 39% in his career. Has some power, but, strictly backup type. Jose Molina with a bat. Still only 27 years old.
I am a little late to the Dunn conversation-
How long is he under contract for?
Erin
see why I wanted Granderson to bat 2nd yesterday!
Kenny mentioned last night that the error on Robbie on the neighborhood call ended a long errorless streak, both individually and also combined w/ Jeter.
I have to say that Kenny cracks me up, he comes out w/ some good lines. Last night he said something about Santana having to change his evil ways.
Spillborghs shouldn’t be off-limits, the Rockies have arguably the deepest OF corps in the league. The thing you worry about are his home/road splits, and the fact that he only plays the OF and wouldn’t immediately surpass Thames for playing time as a RH OF/DH. So acquiring him would basically be to to take Colin Curtis’ spot on the roster, a guy who rarely plays as it is, whereas it seems more important to find a replacement for one of Gaudin/Park/Moseley out in the pen.
Erica,
Dunn is in his walk year.
Erica, Dunn is a FA after this season, the Nats were originally linked to trying to re-sign him but that fell apart and he seems destined to be a FA.
upstate kate July 29th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Erin
see why I wanted Granderson to bat 2nd yesterday!
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Feel free to tell Girardi “I told you so”, but the game had a really happy ending so its all good
upstate kate July 29th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Erin
see why I wanted Granderson to bat 2nd yesterday!
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I do!
As others have mentioned, Dunn is free after this yr. But, he’s a Type A free agent.
Good morning everyone.
Granderson has been really good lately. Hope he keeps it up.
As for the Phillies, what were they thinking? Should have just kpet Cliff Lee.
Thanks Bret and Andrew-
I really hate part season rental trades. But I hate seeing Thames as DH. I hate seeing Thames period. I need to think about this
Yanks Get: Dunn, Willingham and Capps
Nats get: Granderson, Nova, McCallister + ???? (hitting prospect but not Montero/Romine)
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Highly unrealistic. Dunn and Willingham are going to be worth 3 prospects each by themselves.
Let’s hope the team goes on a upswing for the second half. I’m still hoping that the pitching calms down and remains the strong steadfast rotation it was in the first half.
The thing about Dunn is that we’d have him tear up the rest of the season with his mammoth HR power and then get 2 free draft picks in the offseason.
Good post Chad.
Granderson is a much better player than he has been to this point and hopefully that is starting show. A good finish to the reg. Season and strong postseason would make folks forget about the rest of the season rather quickly and he’s very capable of doing that.
Willingham hasn’t even been mentioned as available/acquire-able recently. He is still under team control for next season, no? Why would the Nats move him along with their other 2 biggest assets in the same deal and not even get back any of the Montero, Nunez, Brackman crop of prospects?
GB7 =
Good call. Rene Rivera would be a good option if they need a third catcher and don’t want Moeller. But I would guess Moeller gets the first chance, based on past history.
Erica -
In desperate need of a TD countdown!!
Erin -
I love Kenny Singleton. He’s subtle.
Did anyone see Andy last night on Centerstage? I had fallen asleep and missed the post-game, but woke up a little after the beginning of Centerstage. Andy looked wonderful, of course, and was enjoyable. Nothing revealed that we didn’t already know.
Nova and MacAllister are mid-to-back end rotation potentials. Not even close to get just Dunn to say nothing of adding Willingham and Caps. To make it even worth talking about, you’d have to and Edwardo Nunez just to get Rizzo to pick up the phone about Dunn, but in the end Rizzo would expect Montero (just because Rizzo is an idiot).
“I have always like Spilly. I very much doubt the Rox would move him, and if they did I think they would ask for too much”
He would be a good pickup. I think he’s also capable of playing all three spots in the outfield. In the past, Colorado has been reluctant to move him, and they do have him signed for less than $2M next year. With Fowler having not yet established himself as an everyday OF, they may still want to keep Spilborgh around.
Jerkface July 29th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Yanks Get: Dunn, Willingham and Capps
Nats get: Granderson, Nova, McCallister + ???? (hitting prospect but not Montero/Romine)
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Highly unrealistic.
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Not on my twitter.
Except I’d take out Granderson and put in Colin Curtis.
GB7-
Welcome back. Did you catch up on sleep or fall face first into your bowl of oatmeal?
What happened to Rene Rivera, since he was with the Mariners in 2006? He had a good 48 AB’s in 2005. Cervilli has done a credible job, but if there are issues with the games Posada can catch/week, then maybe we need a 3rd catcher as Cervilli is getting beaten up. Also it would free up Girardi to pinch run late in the game for Posada. Thoughts?
Doumit might be available, though recovering from a concussion. Bring back Jose Molina? Rene Rivera?
Andrew,
The problem with Thames though is that he is awful in the OF.
Also, I am concerned about Granderson vs LHP in the postseason, so theoretically you could actually have Thames and Spilbourghs in the same lineup with Gardner shifting over to CF.
Dunn would be a real nice addition.
GB-
Good morning.
Hope you behaved yourself yesterday while I was away ?
I noticed that Betances had another very good game.
I know Adam Dunn is a good hitter and all, but wouldn’t it be at least a semi-difficult adjustment to come to the AL?
I don’t know that I’d count on a successful transition, especially from a guy who says he doesn’t like to DH. And I don’t want him platooning with either Swisher, who’s earned his every day spot, or Granderson, who’s just starting to heat up, to keep a guy happy who’s only going to be here for 2-plus months.
We’ve seen too many players who don’t want to DH end up stinking at it for one reason or another – whether it’s preparation, or “being in the game,” or whatever. And it may be ridiculous, but if a guy doesn’t think he can, or doesn’t think he’d be good at it, or isn’t all into it, then doesn’t that predisposition have some bearing?
You can say, well, he’d be getting paid nicely to do it, but I don’t think money makes a difference. Nor do I think the opportunity to go to the playoffs is necessarily going to get a guy over the hump if he says he plum does not want to do it.
I’m gun shy of anyone who off the bat says they don’t want to do something or go somewhere.
Rizzo has already made it clear he expects the moon for Dunn. Already asking the White Sox for Gordon B from them. I doubt the Yanks consider Dunn worth a half a season for Montero (because that’s what Rizzo would ask for).
Because, if being playoff bound made a difference, Dunn wouldn’t have been so vocal about staying with the Nats AND you’d think he’d have the attitude or say publicly that if he could get a ring, he’d carry the bats. I haven’t heard that from Dunn.
I think Dunn is a bad fit. He’s a LF by trade and LF in Yankee Stadium is 1)like CF in other stadiums 2)occupied. Dunn would be a DH which would either force Posada behind the plate or out of the lineup. Not worth it for this roster.
upstate kate July 29th, 2010 at 9:19 am
I actually agreed that your lineup was better to the point I almost submitted it too. But I figured Joe G wasn’t going to use it so I stayed with the normal one!
It’s not even half a season anymore. They’ve played 100 games already. Wow.
if anyone needs a good laugh, there is a full page picture of Alex stealing 2nd base in the Daily News…
Doreen – I obviously stayed up and watched Center Stage. I loved the entire interview. My favorite part was when Joey came out and sang ( those songs always crack me up ). Also, I think Kay’s crush on Andy is comparable to mine
Mora would be a good bench addition and shouldn’t cost much in prospects. No reason for the Rockies to trade Spilborghs unless they get a really good prospect and he’s not worth that.
If the Yanks pick up a bat it might be Matsui once the Angels become sellers. It makes a lot of sense, but a RH bat fits the Yanks needs better as an upgrade to Thames.
I wonder if they are getting more and more concerned about the catcher situation.
People keep saying that the Yankees don’t have room for another bat because of Posada or resting veterans.
The purpose of acquiring a DH is mainly for the playoffs, when Posada will be catching every game.
Without a real DH in the playoffs the Yankees will be putting themselves at a disadvantage.
Dunn would be a DH which would either force Posada behind the plate or out of the lineup. Not worth it for this roster.
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Absolutely worth it in the playoffs, when the best lineup will likely have Posada behind the plate.
A JAX, Coke, Kennedy, Nova, McCallister
(= Granderson)
For Dunn, Willingham
Granderson would be a much better fit as the Nats leadoff hitter/sparkplug than he is for us.
Erica in NY July 29th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Come on Erica! Thames has done his job well, hitting LHP! He wasn’t supposed to play LF & even start against RHP which he has had to do some. So don’t blame him because he was better than the other options. Blame the other options! Besides, someone as young & beautiful as you doesn’t need to be negative! That’s for us old guys like me & GB! LOL!
86w183 July 29th, 2010 at 9:38 am
I wonder if they are getting more and more concerned about the catcher situation.
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I think this should be obvious to everyone but apparently it’s not.
A JAX, Coke, Kennedy, Nova, McCallister
(= Granderson)
For Dunn, Willingham
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This isn’t how trades work.
Bret -
I forgot about that part of it; the DH is really needed for Posada right now, since he can’t catch regularly it would seem, or at least not as regularly as he had been doing.
Trader, Rivera was a high draft pick for the Mariners (2nd round) in the early 2000s, but, they always had the bigger names in front of him like Wilson, Jojima and Olivo. Like I said, he’s not Bengie Molina with the bat, but could easily top Jose Molina’s bat. really good defense and even at 27 years old has about 10 years of pro ball. That’s what they’d be looking for as a #3 catcher and definately a better choice to back up than Moeller.
LGY I understand about wanting a way to avoid Thames in the OF but at this point, or at least lately, Girardi mostly uses him at DH against left handed starters. I don’t see Spillborghs either taking time away from him at DH, nor do I see Girardi starting to platoon Granderson right now, especially when his partner would be Spillborghs. He would definitely improve the bench though and would be great insurance for injury to any of the 3 starters but I don’t know if he’s a realistic target since the priorities seem more like 1) bullpen 2) infield utility type. Mora makes more sense to me than Spillborghs from the Rockies squad
NYY626 – Andy in 2011 July 29th, 2010 at 9:38 am
if anyone needs a good laugh, there is a full page picture of Alex stealing 2nd base in the Daily News?
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NYY626-that was hilarious. I actually rewound that a few times last night. The look on his face was priceless.
NYY626 -
Oh! Michael Kay’s love for Andy is almost embarrassing!
Understandable, but embarrassing.
But he’s gorgeous, isn’t he? And cute. Which isn’t important, of course, but nice to have on top of the fact that he’s a great competitor. I couldn’t help but think of Joba when Andy was talking about how he stunk for that period of time. He came through it. Sounded like it was hard work both physically and mentally to get through it, but he did.
Sorry I was slacking on my blog duties… nutty day at work. But…..
2 Days, 6 hours, and 15 Minutes until the Trade Deadline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nyy626-
What time did Centerstage come on last night?
Austin Jackson is hitting .318 and Phil Coke is 6-1 with a 2.43 ERA. Ian Kennedy has done OK with a last place team. He is a lot better than Mitre, Gaudin, or Moseley.
The trade for Granderson was a bad one. He is an average major leaguer, who strikes out a ton and never drives in runs or hits for a high average. Our best center fielder is playing in left. While he is riding a “high” I’ll still say that Granderson will end up as a disappointment.
RayVT
actually I am happy that Girardi seems to be sticking w/ Swish batting 2nd.
Doreen July 29th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Bret -
I forgot about that part of it; the DH is really needed for Posada right now, since he can’t catch regularly it would seem, or at least not as regularly as he had been doing.
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I think they’re in a pickle with Posada and are especially concerned about 2011. I think part of the reason why they’ve tried to cash out Montero is because Posada will be more of a DH in 2011 while Montero is nowhere near being ready to catch next year, maybe on a small market team that is rebuilding but not on one that must win now.
Montero was dangled for Lee, then Halladay, then Lee again, then Lee a third time.
There’s only a handful of frontline pitchers left out there that match up with Yanks and their Montero chip.
RayVT July 29th, 2010 at 9:40 am
Erica in NY July 29th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Come on Erica! Thames has done his job well, hitting LHP! He wasn?t supposed to play LF & even start against RHP which he has had to do some. So don?t blame him because he was better than the other options. Blame the other options! Besides, someone as young & beautiful as you doesn?t need to be negative! That?s for us old guys like me & GB! LOL!
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LOL… You can’t use logic on blind hatred.
I have said this before, but I would have hated any outfielder signed this offseason who wasn’t named Johnny Damon
“The trade for Granderson was a bad one”
In what way has Granderson hurt the Yankees? Just because the players traded by the Yankees have fared well elsewhere doesn’t make it a bad trade. Fact is, a good trade is one that works out well for all teams involved. The Granderson trade has worked out fine for everyone.
Thank you Erica!!
Doreen,
I’ve argued the same things regarding Dunn. I wouldn’t mind having him if it came as a good deal but with the apparent competition for his services I don’t know if its worth it IMO.
I’m a huge Ryan Spilborghs fan. I’d be more than happy if we traded for him at the deadline.
The Phillies are funny.
They win the NL pennant but lose the WS because they didn’t really have rotational depth.
So they:
Trade for Roy Halladay. Very good. But then they:
Trade away Cliff Lee? Why? So now they’re struggling to keep pace with the NL leaders so they have to:
Trade for Roy Oswalt. Who is not as good as Cliff Lee.
Jackson has zero power in his bat. Granderson has much more offensive upside for 2010 than Jackson does and its starting to show. Still too early to judge that trade.
Doreen – I loved it when Kay said that if he had a son he wants him to be like Andy Pettitte. He definitely doesnt’t hide his feelings. And I know what you mean about Joba. I’m still holding out hope that he turns it around…
Erica – I think it was about 11:45ish. Smack in the middle of what we both guessed.
The Granderson trade was a bad one because Phil Coke would be a valuable tool in the Yankee Bullpen. Austin Jackson, hitting .318 and a strong candidate for ROY, is 7 or 8 years younger, has a bright future, and at the major league minimun, would allow the Yankees to pursue many more options in the off-season regarding free agents. Granderson is due 20 million in the next two years.
Similar scenario for Kennedy, who makes the minimun and would now be contributing rather than the three bums I mentioned.
Before you get too wild and crazy about Granderson—check out his .250 average, his paltry on base percentage, his high strike-out ratio, his low average with runners in scoring position.
Erica-
Maybe, if the Tigers fall out of the race, Damon might be back in August if no-one in the AL claims him before the best-record Yankees!
I can see both sides of getting Dunn. When he’s hot, there’s not a better power hitter anywhere. When he’s not, Matt could get him out. As far as defense….burn his glove. Very much Jason Giambi-like.
blake July 29th, 2010 at 9:52 am
Jackson has zero power in his bat. Granderson has much more offensive upside for 2010 than Jackson does and its starting to show. Still too early to judge that trade
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Zero HR’s and a ton of k’s. That’s a bad combo. He’s going to be a nice player, but not a star.
Bret -
But how does trading Montero help them at the catcher position next season? I’m not following your logic.
Blake-
Wait till you see Granderson version 2.0 when Long gets done with his off season pet project.
I know its a bit of a pipe dream but I would love to see the Yanks go after Nick Markakis. A career .300 hitter with good overall production on what might be the worst team this decade. Not to mention that he is a good fielding OF in my opinion with a cannon for an arm. Not to mention is extremely durable. Give up nova and a few other lower level prospects or grandy and someone.
# BumKnee July 29th, 2010 at 9:54 am
The Granderson trade was a bad one because Phil Coke would be a valuable tool in the Yankee Bullpen. Austin Jackson, hitting .318 and a strong candidate for ROY, is 7 or 8 years younger, has a bright future, and at the major league minimun, would allow the Yankees to pursue many more options in the off-season regarding free agents. Granderson is due 20 million in the next two years.
Similar scenario for Kennedy, who makes the minimun and would now be contributing rather than the three bums I mentioned.
Before you get too wild and crazy about Granderson—check out his .250 average, his paltry on base percentage, his high strike-out ratio, his low average with runners in scoring position.
Same post everyday.
B. Jeers,
And trade prospects (including Happ) for Oswalt….Amaro does not get nominated for executive of the year. Amazing they didn’t realize that their rotation was well short after Halladay when folks on this blog were saying it since the moment that Halladay/Lee trade went down. Instead of giving their fans a great shot at a WS this year they sign Howard to a huge extension…..
The thing that people don’t get is that Ajax wouldnt be playing for the Yankees if the trade didnt go through. At least he wouldnt have started the yr with them. The Yanks weren’t going to have him and Gardner in the same outfield. They would have never traded melky if they didnt get Grandy. Or, they would have traded for another outfielder if they still wanted to send Melky to Atlanta.
CountryClub—You mention Jackson’s K’s—allow yourself to consider that Granderson has led the league in k’s. Virtually every year he is in the top 10.
Tell me that we couldn’t use Coke right now. He’s given up one run in the last 2 months.
upstate kate July 29th, 2010 at 9:46 am
If you are happy, I’m happy!
Big surprise! Heyman is reporting that the Orioles won’t trade with the Yankees.
Erica in NY July 29th, 2010 at 9:48 am
LOL! I wanted Damon too, but Damon spurned the Yanks! I know of your love for him! LOL!
# BumKnee July 29th, 2010 at 9:58 am
CountryClub—You mention Jackson’s K’s—allow yourself to consider that Granderson has led the league in k’s. Virtually every year he is in the top 10.
Tell me that we couldn’t use Coke right now. He’s given up one run in the last 2 months.
In a pitchers park. You know what he did Yankee Stadium and Citizens Bank last year.
Don’t forget extending Joe Blanton for 3 years and $24 million during Ruben Amaro’s wild world of pitching moves this past offseason!
For all of his pop and power, Granderson has never had more than 74 rbi’s in a season. He has 29 this year. Last year Melky had 68. Melky and Granderson both have the same career BA.
Why is Granderson so good? Factor in the 20 million he’ll receive in the next two year and try to continue to convince yourself.
The prospects the Phillies received for Lee haven’t panned out.
Suspect the Nationals will want Joba in any deal for Dunn. They’re interested in pitching.
BumKnee,
K’s are acceptable when they come from a guy that hits for power. Jackson has never hit for power in any level of his development. Imagine if Gardner(who right now has more power than Ajax) struck out 120 times this yr. Singles/OBP hitters that K are bad combos.
Yes, Coke would be helpful. But, Phil Coke will not be the reason the Yanks win or lose this yr.
Doreen July 29th, 2010 at 9:56 am
Bret -
But how does trading Montero help them at the catcher position next season? I’m not following your logic.
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It improves the overall strength of the team by specifically bolstering the rotation. Trading him for Lee or Halladay or a frontline pitcher if one becomes available helps compensate for a weak hitter behind the plate (Cervelli or Romine) with Posada the DH.
Even if the Yankees had kept AJax, he would not be the starting CF…seriously, does anyone think the Yankees would have had a starting OF of Garner, AJax and Swish? GGBG has done much better than expected and Swish has greatly improved, but there is no way that would have been the opening day line up.
Carl—certainly something to consider about a pitcher’s park–that is UNTIL you check out Coke’s RECORD on the road, which is better than his home record.
“Don’t forget extending Joe Blanton for 3 years and $24 million during Ruben Amaro’s wild world of pitching moves this past offseason!”
If he should be croaked for anything, it this contract and the ones for Ibanez and Lidge. I can understand going after Oswalt, and if Happ is the headliner, then it’s a good deal for Philly, but those three contracts represent about $12 million in production that they’re paying $30 million to get.
The White Sox are another one.
They’re probably the front-runners for Adam Dunn.
They could have re-signed Thome for a song. And he makes 15% of what Dunn earns.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......id=4070785
08 Grandy. Look at the stance.
I think they’re in a pickle with Posada and are especially concerned about 2011. I think part of the reason why they’ve tried to cash out Montero is because Posada will be more of a DH in 2011 while Montero is nowhere near being ready to catch next year, maybe on a small market team that is rebuilding but not on one that must win now.
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This doesn’t make any sense, they are going to trade Montero because he could theoretically be blocked for up to 1(!!!) Year ??? They could block Montero for 3 more years in AAA and he’d finally be the correct age for the level.
MTU,
Between the injury and adjustment period to NYC, I think we are just starting to see the real Curtis Granderson.
GB,
I agree with you about Dunn…I can see both sides of the coin on that one which is why I don’t know how much I’d be willing to give up to get him. I can see him coming to NY and being a huge force in the lineup but I could also see him struggling to adjust to a new league and piling up K’s….we shall see.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......id=7314145
early 09 Grandy. Look at the stance.
Without Granderson, NYYs couldn’t have made the trade with Atlanta to get Vazquez. NYYs also weren’t likely to start a rookie and a mostly unknown and inexperienced left fielder like Gardner in the same outfield. No way would Kennedy put up those numbers in Yankee stadium, and that’s another case of two inexperienced starters in the rotation.
It’s your right to still consider BA a legit indicator of a players success. But baseball is moving away from that. Your next comment will probably be that Granderson has a low OBP. That’s true. I’m not saying that granderson is having a great yr. But I am willing to wait and see how this trade looks 2 yrs from now. Trying to judge a trade after 100 games is shortsighted.
Also, granderson wouldnt be the 1st player to come to NY and struggle in their 1st season.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......d=10296381
Grandy now. Look at the stance.
LGY-
Amaro the Bizarro also gave Ryan Howard that amazingly frugal contract. Let’s not forget the brillance of that move.
Give the man some credit for what he is.
Why wouldn’t the Orioles trade with us? It makes no sense. Why limit your own ability to better your own team, just so you don’t trade with the Yankees? If the Yankees present the best deal for your future as a franchise, that’s all that should matter. I wonder if the Orioles won’t trade with the Red Sox? They did try and help them in 2006 when they gave them Javy Lopez. Luckily, Javy was a miserable failure with them!
You realize RBIs are entirely dependent on where you hit in a batting order, don’t you? For most of Granderson’s career in Detroit he hit at the top of the order, therefore he did not come up in tons of RBI situations in which he could tally up 100 RBI totals
Bret’s gone Twitter crazy.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play&.....id=4070785
08 Grandy. Look at the stance.
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Care to expound? If you compare it to his triple last night, his hand setup is a little farther out with the bat a little straighter and less against his shoulder. His chest is almost facing the pitcher in the 08 clip, while he stays closed a little better on the triple.
Both are huge opposite field shots.
OK, I see that Country Club beat me to it!
Jackson is a young guy. He will continue to develop. He will only get better. He also plays great defense.
Cano, for one, never hit for a high average, nor did he hit many homers when he was young. Granderson is not as good as you all think. get back to me this weekend when he faces David Price. He’ll look like he did when he faced Feliciano in the Mets series. Remember that debacle?
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play&.....id=7314145
early 09 Grandy. Look at the stance.
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Oh dear, looks like Granderson has gone back to his 08 stance with some slight modification now. Doesn’t look anything like this.
74 RBI isn’t bad for a leadoff hitter. Like Henderson, he couls give the team an instant first inning run leading off the game.
Yanks don’t see price this weekend.
Jerkface July 29th, 2010 at 10:04 am
I think they’re in a pickle with Posada and are especially concerned about 2011. I think part of the reason why they’ve tried to cash out Montero is because Posada will be more of a DH in 2011 while Montero is nowhere near being ready to catch next year, maybe on a small market team that is rebuilding but not on one that must win now.
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This doesn’t make any sense, they are going to trade Montero because he could theoretically be blocked for up to 1(!!!) Year ??? They could block Montero for 3 more years in AAA and he’d finally be the correct age for the level.
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I don’t think you get it. The Yankees aren’t just thinking Montero’s not a ML catcher in 2011. They’re thinking beyond that. Because Posada’s condition and Montero’s projected inability to stick at catcher, it’s more likely the Yankees use him as a trade chip for a frontline starting pitcher. Have you not noticed how the Yankees have tried to move Montero? Even if he could be passable behind the plate, they don’t want to wait because it’s about winning now.
74 RBI isn’t bad for a leadoff hitter. Like Henderson, he couls give the team an instant first inning run leading off the game.
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But unlike Henderson he won’t be a constant threat to get on base, nor a dominant base stealer. Truly one of a kind.
Yankee Trader July 29th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Erica-
Maybe, if the Tigers fall out of the race, Damon might be back in August if no-one in the AL claims him before the best-record Yankees!
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They are 5 out right now of the AL Central (11 for the Wild Card). i curse them every day. But their trade for Peralta yesterday makes me think they are in denial of their destiny to become sellers
LGY,
How did I forget about the Blanton deal as well….curious indeed.
I don’t think you get it.
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I don’t think you get it. It would make more sense to use Montero to get another catcher in that case, because there is no one that is going to catch next year for the yankees other than Montero. Romine isn’t ready.
Oh wow they tried to trade Montero for Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee? 2 of the best pitchers in all of baseball? Color me shocked.
BumKnee July 29th, 2010 at 10:01 am
The Yankees decided that they needed a SP and a CF they could trust. The Yanks weren’t secure in giving Gardner the CF position and were not secure in doing it with Jackson (a rookie) either. The Yankees knew this could be a really good team and decided to take the safe path and trade for Granderson a proven veteran. I think the Yanks thought Grandy would do even better in YS and loved his defense.
I like the trade still. I believe Granderson is going to improve even more this year & another step next year. I also think A Jackson is going to get much better next year too. I believe he is a couple of years from finding his power stroke, but will eventually hit 25 to 30 HRs a year too. IMO, Grandy fits this team better now than Jackson.
I never said that granderson was Rickey henderson….only that like Henderson and Barry and Bobby Bonds, they were always a threat to lead off the game with an instant run.
Did anyone here Kenny’s comment last night about the Indians pitcher (forgot which one) that looked very young?
Kenny: “He looks like he’s about 14 years old. Either that, or he has the world’s best razor.”
I literally “LOL” at that comment!
I am not a hitting coach but there are 2 things I would like to see eliminated from Grandy’s swing.
1) Remove the “Hitch” he has when starting it. Get the hands in a better hitting position from the get go.
2) Get him to stop lunging at ouside pitches. Especially slow speed stuff.
Can’t wait to see how K. Long tweaks his swing.
A few modifications can sometimes make a huge difference ( see Swish, and Cano).
They don’t affectionately call him the “genius” for nothing.
People were judging the non Hughes/Santana trade back in 2008 and were proved wrong.
Only a fool would judge trades so quickly.
Granderson will be fine. I’m sure the Yanks are happy to have him because he’s going to be a good player for them over the next few years.
Jerkface July 29th, 2010 at 10:13 am
I don’t think you get it. It would make more sense to use Montero to get another catcher in that case, because there is no one that is going to catch next year for the yankees other than Montero. Romine isn’t ready.
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Perhaps Romine and Cervelli’s bats could be carried at catcher starting in 2011 given the plan for the lineup, rotation and bullpen. Defensively, they’re both ready.
MTU July 29th, 2010 at 10:14 am
They don?t affectionately call him the ?genius? for nothing
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Doesn’t Swish call him the hitting guru? I love that.
Not sure that Jackson will ever be a consistant 20-25 homer hitter, unless it’s just a freak season. Especially in that park. At best, maybe a 15-18 himer guy.
Trades are like History. Very rarely should you judge them during the time they happened in.
Swisher doesn’t get enough credit for all of the work he put into this offseason to improve his game.
I’m not hearing anything about the 20 million Granderson will be getting in the next two years. Quite a lot for a ,250 hitter, with a low OBP, and a low RISP, and a stike-out king to boot.
Perhaps Romine and Cervelli’s bats could be carried at catcher starting in 2011 given the plan for the lineup, rotation and bullpen. Defensively, they’re both ready.
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Posada will catch 60% of his games played next season at least. Yankees aren’t going to have a romine/cervelli backstop tandem.
Jerkface July 29th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Perhaps Romine and Cervelli’s bats could be carried at catcher starting in 2011 given the plan for the lineup, rotation and bullpen. Defensively, they’re both ready.
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Posada will catch 60% of his games played next season at least. Yankees aren’t going to have a romine/cervelli backstop tandem.
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I’m not so sure about that.
What possible catcher is there on the market that would be better than having Montero from 2011 on? Certainly not AJ Pierszinski or John Buck…..both free agents to be.
Erin-
Long has garnered enormous respect among the players.
And he has certainly gotten impressive results with the guys he has worked with.
I don’t know for sure, but if I had to guess I would think he is considered one of the top hitting coaches in all of baseball.
Would hate to lose him.
Grandy will be his next “project”. I am expecting more good results.
There is no reason to think otherwise.
I’m not so sure about that.
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he is doing it this season. There is incentive to catch Posada, because then you can use a real DH. Keep in mind Romine is only hitting: .276 .347 .411 .758 in AA. And he is projected to be a good defensive catcher, but like his hitting tools he hasn’t caught up completely to his potential.
I think he spends atleast next season in AAA.
Where are the yankees going to find a catcher that will start 75% of the games next year?
# BumKnee July 29th, 2010 at 10:17 am
I’m not hearing anything about the 20 million Granderson will be getting in the next two years. Quite a lot for a ,250 hitter, with a low OBP, and a low RISP, and a stike-out king to boot.
Yankees. Money.
Erica-
he does from me. I love the guy.
Jerkface July 29th, 2010 at 10:13 am
I agree with you! If Montero wasn’t so valuable, then why would they try to get the best SP in the game with him. (Basically, it was the best the Yankees could offer!)
Mike Silva in New York Baseball Digest wrote an article earlier this week about Granderson. He called him an albatross. He dissected why the trade was such a poor one for the Yankees. Maybe some of you with an open mind might care to look at it.
Erica
last year, at least some of the time, watching Swish in the OF was like watching the circus. This year he still has some crazy moves, but almost always comes up w/ the ball. We hear a lot about how Swish worked on his offense, but he has also worked hard on his defense.
Sherman and his insight. “A very plugged-in GM told him that this could be a slow trading deadline.” Hey, Sherman. It is slow and any not so plugged-in poster could have clued you in.
RayVT,
I would argue, if Montero was the future catcher, why would they make him available at all with Posada in this condition, basically falling apart?
If he’s a sure-fire big league catcher with a Miguel Cabrera bat, he’d be untouchable.
Since he’s not, they’ve tried to bolster the rotation using him as a trade chip.
If the Oswalt trade goes through and Dunn gets traded I’d say its been a pretty exciting deadline. But there haven’t been as many small trades this year as in years past.
Of course, there are still 2 days left!!
Who is Mike Silva? I don’t care what he thinks. The NY media use to call AJax overrated, and now he’s Willie Mays.
A few thoughts:
Montero and Posada will split C and DH
I think (if he’s healthy) Jorge catches 90 games; Montero catches 40; and Cervelli catches the rest (give or take) – Romine will spend next season in AAA.
Rockies are officially looking to sell – go get me Clint Barmes and Huston Street (if you can get Spilborghs too, outstanding)
My offer – Ramiro Pena, Zach McAllister, David Adams
Also go get Adam Dunn
My offer – Eduardo Nunez, Ivan Nova
And finally – I watched the end of the Met game last night and their play-by-play guy made the following statement: “Much has been made of the Mets’ 12 walk-off losses but the Mets also have three walk-off wins and all of them have come here at Citi Field.”
I was hoping he was trying to be funny, but I fear he is just an idiot.
Kate-
Swish is not the only one who has improved as an outfielder.
Just look at how Good GGBG has become at throwing guys out.
He charges the ball and has improved the strength of his throws.
That takes effort, practice, and dedication.
What was really good in Brett is now becoming even better.
Now if he would just work on his drag bunting.
No Carl—Baseball people everywhere prefer your expert baseball analysis over that of Mike Silva.
If Mike Silva wants to write an article 3 years from now about the trade then perhaps it could be well informed and mean something. Writing it a little more than halfway through the first season after it is very short sided.
IMO, Posada will catch 60% of the games next year. That leaves 40% for Montero and Cervelli. Cervelli will probably be the late innings guy as well spelling Posada or Montero on occasions. Montero will be a DH when Posada Catches & rest when Cervelli catches or be a PH.
BumKnee July 29th, 2010 at 10:23 am
Mike Silva in New York Baseball Digest wrote an article earlier this week about Granderson. He called him an albatross. He dissected why the trade was such a poor one for the Yankees. Maybe some of you with an open mind might care to look at it.
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Although I am encouraged with Granderson’s latest production, let’s not forget the large amount of money he is owed for his .250 average, low OBP and high strikeout rate.
In reality, Gardner should earn Granderson’s average and vice versa.
I would argue, if Montero was the future catcher, why would they make him available at all with Posada in this condition, basically falling apart?
If he’s a sure-fire big league catcher with a Miguel Cabrera bat, he’d be untouchable.
Since he’s not, they’ve tried to bolster the rotation using him as a trade chip.
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No one would ever call Montero a SURE-FIRE big league catcher. At the same time, why does this have to be reason that they are trying to trade him? Perhaps they value Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee more than any prospect?
Honestly, the presence of Montero in trade rumors for the top 2 pitchers in baseball says more about Posada catching next year than it does Montero.
The yankees are obviously comfortable going into next season with Posada catching.
Chip July 29th, 2010 at 10:27 am
A few thoughts:
Montero and Posada will split C and DH
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It looks nice on paper but could be a disaster in reality if Posada can’t stay healthy and injury free while Montero gets eatin’ alive behind the plate and can’t handle a major league staff. The last place a team can afford a circus of errors and mishaps is behind the plate, with a 21 year old at the helm.
Gardner has always been accurate if anything with his throws, but he has really improved his technique to add a little zip. Eiland worked with Swisher to get rid of his rainbow, so perhaps Gardner did the same.
Either way, Don’t run on brett!
Dog walk time. Out for a bit.
Bret The Hitman July 29th, 2010 at 10:26 am
RayVT,
I would argue, if Montero was the future catcher, why would they make him available at all with Posada in this condition, basically falling apart?
If he?s a sure-fire big league catcher with a Miguel Cabrera bat, he?d be untouchable.
Since he?s not, they?ve tried to bolster the rotation using him as a trade chip.
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Bret
It’s not like the Yankees are making Montero available for every player in the league – the three guys (reportedly) that the Yankees have offered Montero for don’t come along that often – Halladay, Lee and Soria (though I disagree with offering him for Soria) and guys of that ilk aren’t often available when they do come along.
So who would you offer Montero up for?
The only guys I would consider are:
Grenkie
Hamilton
Ubaldo
Lincecum
Miguel Cabrera
Verlander
Josh Johnson
Jason Heward
and to the best of my knowledge none of those guys are available.
Chip,
Why would the Rockies trade Huston Street?
They just signed him to an extension a few months ago.
They are not a perpetually bad team. Some things just have not gone their way this year so they are selling off the spare parts.
But, they will be back to being contenders next year, so dismantiling integral parts of the team doesn’t make sense.
Montero was not offered for Soria, Joel Sherman reports.
Rockies are officially looking to sell – go get me Clint Barmes and Huston Street (if you can get Spilborghs too, outstanding)
“My offer – Ramiro Pena, Zach McAllister, David Adams”
Cash would hear a dial tone before finishing Adams name.
As many have pointed out, IPK and AJax would not be on the big club right now. The Yankees are just not the right team to follow if you’re really into seeing prospects come up and fight their way into a regular spot.
It’s Broadway. No one’s going to pay to see the understudies. It’s “Rochelle, Rochelle” and they all want to see Bette belt one out!
Chip-
Did he really say that? Usually their guy is pretty good and not apt to make ridiculous statements. 3 home walkoff wins vs. 12 road walkoff losses. Yeah, impressive. (Not to mention the obvious redundancy of saying the walk-off wins were at Citifield – where else??)
Chip,
I’m not sure, but I bet Cashman is getting calls on him.
He hasn’t exactly come out and taken a strong stance against trading him since the Lee deal fell through.
And why is Ramiro Pena suddenly showing up in your daily trade proposals Chip?
I am inclined to give you an ‘F’ again this morning.
The first block busting, show stopping trade of the day. This will start the avalanche.
http://www.baseball-reference......boa-001mic
Bret The Hitman July 29th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Chip July 29th, 2010 at 10:27 am
A few thoughts:
Montero and Posada will split C and DH
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It looks nice on paper but could be a disaster in reality if Posada can?t stay healthy and injury free while Montero gets eatin? alive behind the plate and can?t handle a major league staff. The last place a team can afford a circus of errors and mishaps is behind the plate, with a 21 year old at the helm.
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Montero’s issue (from what I’ve read) isn’t that he can’t handle a pitching staff; it’s that he’s so big and tall that he’s not fluid behind the plate in terms of springing up to throw out runners or blocking wild pitches.
As for how a rookie catcher would do handling this veteran rotation – he’s going to have three very good catchers working with him in Posada, Girardi and Tony Pena. Besides, most pitches are called from the bench.
He hasn’t exactly come out and taken a strong stance against trading him since the Lee deal fell through.
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He did just that, and said that Lee was a special case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO37KaaoxsY
Fast forward to 2 mins in this video. This came out the day C-Money resigned with the Yankees. From SNY.
Bronx Jeers July 29th, 2010 at 10:33 am
It?s Broadway. No one?s going to pay to see the understudies. It?s ?Rochelle, Rochelle? and they all want to see Bette belt one out!
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Well, you made a long journey from Milan to Minsk.
Bret The Hitman July 29th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Hello Bret! While I agree somewhat with your premise as others have said too, I think the Yankees truly wanted to win it all this year & felt they were one SP away from doing it.
An analogy is when I was a kid I loved Mickey Mantle. I wanted his baseball card so badly that I’d trade anyone for him! Anyone! And a lot of those anyones! Well the Yanks see Lee & Halladay in that light! And as others have stated before, Romine will be good & Shanchez might even be better than Montero! SO losing a great prospect was cushioned a bit!
$18 million over 2 years for Granderson is a very fair deal especially considering you people allegedly root for the Yankees. I don’t know if you’ve looked at the amount of money being payed to established centerfielders in the league this year, not young new-to-the-league guys but guys that have been around and have track records and have gotten to the point where they are past arbitration. But what Granderson will earn as a Yankee is well worth it given the production he offers offensively and defensively, and it is not a long term commitment so if he doesn’t improve he is free to go after 2011. The Yankees were not going to spend 2010 with 2 young, mostly untested guys in their OF. If the Yankees win a ring this year Granderson will have been a part of it in some fashion, and his acquisition does not hamper the team financially or flexibility-wise going forward as they continue trying to win rings. And that is all that matters.
“The trade for Granderson was a bad one. ”
I’m going to take an alternate position.
For sake of argument, let’s say that it was.
So what?
Do you think complaining about it enough will magically reverse it?
Right or wrong, how is this point even relevant at this stage?
LGY July 29th, 2010 at 10:34 am
And why is Ramiro Pena suddenly showing up in your daily trade proposals Chip?
I am inclined to give you an ?F? again this morning.
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Because I think Ramiro Pena has value as a proven ML utility player; the Yankees though have lots of those guys in their system and, unlike other teams, can afford to have a veteran fill that role at a slightly higher cost.
Bret -
Of course teams are asking about Montero. When I was 16 I asked my folks to buy me a 66 Mustang – it never hurts to ask.
Granderson deal was not a bad trade –
Yankees gave up a minor leaguer who had no role with the club (Kennedy)
a minor leaguer who, if everything breaks right, might some day be as good as Granderson (Jackson)
and a 28 year old relief pitcher who gave up too many homeruns (Coke)
and the Yankees ended up with the best CF they’ve had since Bernie was in his prime.
The only people who have a right to complain about that trade are D’Back fans.
chip,
How is Pena a proven ML utility player?
He has 205 career at bats and has been awful this year.
Granderson’s hitting surge was entirely predictable, as the Yanks have seen one left handed starter in the last nine games. He could always hit RHP, and lately he’s seen enough RHP to get his swing ironed out.
I wouldn’t get too excited, though, because the basic problem is still there – he doesn’t hit LHP.
Bret, what I find curious about your posts is that they always seems to involved some extended chain of thinking. Nothing is ever straightforward in your worldview.
Every move the Yankees made, have reportedly considered, and even the ones YOU propose wholecloth all seem be part of some intricate, multi-tiered plan in your mind.
Perhaps the Yankees dangled Montero for Lee and Halladay, because they were Lee and Halladay, and nothing more.
I get the appeal of playing armchair GM, but I’m missing the point where every move begets 2 or 3 more.
Montero to Soria, in 5 moves or less, the Bret the Hitman game
Chip -
I just read an interview with Murphy, one of the other Yankee’s catching prospects, and in it he stated that one of the things they are big on in the Yankee system is having the catchers learn how to call their own games. He specifically said Joe Girardi is big on it.
I’m looking for the link.
“Because I think Ramiro Pena has value as a proven ML utility player;”
MLB is full of Ramiro Penas. There’s minimal value in that type of player.
Anyone know if Wang is supposed to pitch at all this year for the Nats? Originally they said he’d be ready by late-May.
LGY July 29th, 2010 at 10:42 am
chip,
How is Pena a proven ML utility player?
He has 205 career at bats and has been awful this year.
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I should have been more specific – I meant proven with the glove. He’s a fantastic defensive player all over the infield.
They money they save by slotting Pena into Barmes’s spot could be used to help them sign another pitcher this winter.
As for the Yankees, Barmes isn’t as good defensively as Pena but he’s still very good and while we’re not talking about Alex Rodriguez’s bat here, he’s got more pop and has shown he can hit coming off the bench.
There’s nothing wrong with criticizing any trade at any point, but the sooner you do it the less sense it makes. Interesting that BumKnee conveniently neglects to mention Granderson’s 10-to-1 HR advantage over Jackson in about 100 fewer at bats.
I didn’t like giving up Coke and AJax, but Granderson is a fine player and if he comes through in the post-season and helps the Yanks win it all it was an excellent trade — just like Marte’ made his acquisition worthwhile last year.
Jerkface July 29th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Montero to Soria, in 5 moves or less, the Bret the Hitman game
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Five Degress of Joakim Soria?
LOL. Yeah, Mike Silva has all kinds of credibility.
Silva is the same guy who can’t write a post without bashing Chamberlain and offers just as many dumb and completely unrealistic trade proposals as Bret.
He also judged the non Santana/Hughes deal a few months after it happened.
He’s not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer.
I think, with all the teams who would like to get him, a Dunn-Capps deal, if it happens with the Yanks, is going to need to include Montero. I don’t think the Yankee prospects behind Montero will be enough to outbid other teams.
I’m not advocating trading Montero for Dunn, but (1) reading the tea leaves I seriously wonder whether the Yanks and other teams believe Montero will ever be a major league catcher, and (2) a Dunn-Capps deal would be an enormous boost toward winning it all this year, given how tough the Rangers and the Rays are going to be in the post-season.
The only guys I would consider are:
Grenkie
Hamilton
Ubaldo
Lincecum
Miguel Cabrera
Verlander
Josh Johnson
Jason Heward
and to the best of my knowledge none of those guys are available.
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Not:
Strasburg
Price
Longoria
Felix Hernandez
Kershaw
“Five Degress of Joakim Soria?”
Six degrees, and I trademarked that the other day…
Doreen July 29th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Chip -
I just read an interview with Murphy, one of the other Yankee?s catching prospects, and in it he stated that one of the things they are big on in the Yankee system is having the catchers learn how to call their own games. He specifically said Joe Girardi is big on it.
I?m looking for the link.
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I don’t doubt that’s a skill the Yankees want their catchers to have, but especially with young catchers, almost all ML teams call the games from the bench.
Next time Cervelli is behind the plate just keep one eye on how often he looks over to the dugout.
My point is that if Montero is not a viable catcher it won’t be because he can’t get on the same page as his pitchers. The club can work with him on that; if he’s physically unable to play the position, that’s another thing entirely.
Anyone know if Wang is supposed to pitch at all this year for the Nats? Originally they said he’d be ready by late-May.
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Did they say mid-May of what year?
The Rays have won five in a row and Price on the mound for them today. It’s going to be a tough series this weekend.
Wang throws off a mound every 3rd day, he most recently got up to 40 pitches. No timetable for his return apparently. At this point September seems to be his best shot at pitching this year, if he does at all
Here’s the link, Chip. You have to scroll down a little.
http://minormatterstrenton.blogspot.com/
“They money they save by slotting Pena into Barmes’s spot could be used to help them sign another pitcher this winter”
They have a young man named Johnathan Herrera, who gives you everything Pena does….plus hit a little. And he does it for the same minimum salary. Nobody is looking for ways to squeeze Ramiro Pena on their roster.
Cashman NTG –
Yup, you can add those guys to my list of players I would deal Montero for – and they’re just as unavailable.
Wave -
I think the only way the Yankees include Montero in a deal is if it gets them an elite player in return – Adam Dunn and Matt Capps don’t qualify.
I’m sure the Yankees are somewhat concerned with whether or not Montero can catch; but if he can’t and his bat plays the way it’s projected they’ll live with him as a 21 year old DH.
And it’s worth noting that Montero will be 25/26 when Tex’s contract expires and the Yankees will be in need of a 1b.
bill d – hererra has no shown that he can hit in the majors any better than pena has.
I’m not all that sure that I’d want Hamilton, especially for Montero. I have no issues that he’s a recovering addict. I do have problems that after 4 years, he still needs a hired baby sitter to stay with him and give him a $10 a day allowance.
chip – there is zero chance of montero becoming a 21-YO DH. zero.
“The Rays have won five in a row and Price on the mound for them today. It’s going to be a tough series this weekend.”
They’re both 100+ win pace teams and the series is on the road …
OF COURSE it’s going to be a tough series.
As it should be.
Oh, Chip,
I wasn’t arguing/disagreeing with you. Just wanted to impart some information is all.
Let me get this straight, the Phillies are on the verge of acquiring Roy Oswalt who makes much more money than Cliff Lee at the moment, the Phillies re-signed Joe Blanton (he sucks) to a 3 year $24 million contract in the offseason. Must suck to be a Phillie fan at the moment thinking that Halladay and Lee could have been your top 2 starters. Just a thought!
I’m not arguing that Ramiro Pena is the second coming of Chone Figgins here – I’m saying that he could be included in part of a larger package that nets the Yankees a 31-year old utility infielder with some power (Barmes) and a relief pitcher (Street)
# JM July 29th, 2010 at 10:52 am
The Rays have won five in a row and Price on the mound for them today. It’s going to be a tough series this weekend.
Hughes vs Davis
Javy vs Garza
CC v Shields
I love our chances.
Irreverent Discourse July 29th, 2010 at 10:56 am
chip ? there is zero chance of montero becoming a 21-YO DH. zero.
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I just love it when people who have no idea what the Yankees are thinking talk in absolutes about what they’re going to do.
Chip,
You still haven’t answered what would motivate the Rockies to trade Street
why does anyone think any team is going to trade us their closer?
when did the Rockies become “sellers”? because ken rosenthal (liar) said so? rofl…
the rockies are 8 games back, and they’ve been the hottest second half team in baseball for like 4 years in a row now. something tells me they aren’t going to throw in the towel because of a 7 game losing streak.
No to Street. Noooo.
chip – zero. you don’t have any clue either, so you refuting it is just as meaningless.
you know what would be really stupid? a 21 year old DH.
LGY July 29th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Chip,
You still haven?t answered what would motivate the Rockies to trade Street
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Money and the fact that they have two potential closers in Manny Corpas and Franklyn Morales
Excuse me, but does anyone else think that impish smile on A Rods face as he held 2nd base and grinned into the dugout made him look like the Grinch? lol
chip – in case you weren’t paying attention, they had those 2 guys closing all season until street came back and didn’t seem to wait around long (i think street pitched 2 innings out of the closer role), and they have both lost that job multiple times.
street makes $7.5mil for the next 2 years with a $9mil option for 2013 on a contract that they went way out of their way to give him. he’s not going anywhere.
Hughes has a 2.36 era on the road. My boy needs to learn how to pitch at home.
“Money and the fact that they have two potential closers in Manny Corpas and Franklyn Morales”
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Since when are the Rockies hurting for money and what about Manny Corpas or Franklyn Morales screams potential closer?
Those 2 guys were closing because they had no other options with Street hurt.
Irreverent Discourse July 29th, 2010 at 11:02 am
chip ? zero. you don?t have any clue either, so you refuting it is just as meaningless.
you know what would be really stupid? a 21 year old DH.
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If his bat is truly as good as what the reports say then you find a way to get it into the lineup. If that’s splitting time at C/DH then that’s what it is.
The Marlins and Tigers found ways to get Miguel Cabrera’s bat in the lineup despite him being a brutal defensive player.
The Cards kept moving Pujols around because he kept getting hurt playing 3b and the OF because they wanted to make sure his bat was in the lineup
And this was before Pujols and Cabrera were the elite hitters that they are now.
No, stupid wouldn’t be having a 21 – year old DH; stupid would be dealing Montero because you’re afraid that you would have to live with him being a 21 – year old DH.
And you’re right, I don’t know what the Yankees are thinking but I’m not talking in absolutes about what they’re going to do like you are – that my friend is the difference.
“chip – zero. you don’t have any clue either, so you refuting it is just as meaningless.”
Didn’t you mean to say “refuding”?
bill d – hererra has no shown that he can hit in the majors any better than pena has
In small big league samples, Herrera has been more effective in getting on base. In larger samples, like their minor league numbers, Herrera has been more effective in getting on base.
And I did say “hit a LITTLE”
test
Why are there 3 games starting before 1pm today?
LGY July 29th, 2010 at 11:07 am
?Money and the fact that they have two potential closers in Manny Corpas and Franklyn Morales?
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Since when are the Rockies hurting for money and what about Manny Corpas or Franklyn Morales screams potential closer?
Those 2 guys were closing because they had no other options with Street hurt.
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I didn’t say they were hurting for money, but if they can move a guy making 15 mil over the next two years and replace him with Corpas who is about 5 mil cheaper per year or a 24 year old LHP who can get it up to 100 mph and, in the process, get yourself a 2b in Adams and a pitching prospect in McAllister – then you at least consider it.
Especially when you consider that Street is not the model of health and stability.
“Why are there 3 games starting before 1pm today”
Get a way days for a number of teams.
Ken_Rosenthal Source: #Yankees unlikely to pursue C with Posada ailing. Deep at position. Want Dunn, not confident of getting him. Price on RPs high #MLB
Bill D July 29th, 2010 at 11:14 am
“Why are there 3 games starting before 1pm today”
Get a way days for a number of teams.
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yes, but it’s odd to have games start at 12 or 12:30 if it’s not a holiday or something.
“Hughes has a 2.36 era on the road. My boy needs to learn how to pitch at home.”
That’s a bit of an illusion created by the fact that 4 of Hughes’ first 6 games were on the road, and only 3 of his games since then have been away. Phil pitched great in his first 7 games, since then it has been pot-luck.
In his road games after his great start, Phil has an ERA of about 4.07.
# CountryClub July 29th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Ken_Rosenthal Source: #Yankees unlikely to pursue C with Posada ailing. Deep at position. Want Dunn, not confident of getting him. Price on RPs high #MLB
Call up the Monterorizer!
WYH – refuding is not a word…
chip – those teams also were relying on keeping those players in the lineup to float their offense. we are not. in order to capitalize on value he must catch, or he must go before he can’t catch.
No offense, but how has anything Rosenthal said new? I’ve never been much of a Rosenthud fan. He gets too many things wrong and says a lot of things that are already common sense. How he continues to have a job is remarkable.
3 pitchers are tied for the lead in the AL, winning 13 games each…CC, Price, and…..Pavano…I usually am happy when former Yankees do well, but seeing Pavano do well annoys me to no end.
# Wave Your Hat July 29th, 2010 at 11:18 am
“Hughes has a 2.36 era on the road. My boy needs to learn how to pitch at home.”
That’s a bit of an illusion created by the fact that 4 of Hughes’ first 6 games were on the road, and only 3 of his games since then have been away. Phil pitched great in his first 7 games, since then it has been pot-luck.
In his road games after his great start, Phil has an ERA of about 4.07.
Phil gave up 6 er in 5.2 innings against the Mariners at home. 1 er in 7 innings at Safeco 2 starts later.
I remembering him saying that he gets amped up at home so he tends to overthrow.
New Post-Moseley: ?I just roll with it”
I don’t believe Montero will see the Majors as a DH as part of the Yankees. His value right now is as a catcher and the yankees will continue to sell him as one until he a) has a full time job up here or b) gets traded. The only way he gets reps as a catcher is at AAA. Call him up now as a DH, and he loses half his trade value as the Yanks would be confirming all the doubters out there.
Ryan Spilborghs is an average OF, with no power, only 1 HR. Why would we need him? If the Nats want Joba for Dunn straight up, I’d do it. If Dunn walks as a FA, we get 2 picks for him. Dunn could be the guy that helps win #28.
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