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Should you stay or should you go now

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

When Austin Kearns and Lance Berkman are added to the roster, one player move seems obvious: Juan Miranda being optioned is inevitable if only because carrying Miranda, Berkman, Marcus Thames and Mark Teixeira on the same roster would be beyond redundant.

The other spot seems to come down to either Thames or Colin Curtis.

As good as Curtis has been — and he’s clearly played well enough to stick around — I’m not sure he fits as well as Thames. Clearly Curtis is a far superior defensive player, and he and Kearns would make a good left-right bench combo, but Thames is too valuable against left-handed pitchers.

Berkman is hitting .188/.278/281 against lefties this season, and he has a career-long trend of hitting much worse against lefties than righties. Curtis Granderson’s struggles against lefties are notorious. Thames is hitting .315/.406/.426 against lefties. Doesn’t a DH platoon of Berkman and Thames make the most sense?

Vs RHP: Jeter, Swisher, Teixeira, Rodriguez, Cano, Posada, Granderson, Berkman, Gardner

Vs LHP: Jeter, Swisher, Teixeira, Rodriguez, Cano, Posada, Thames, Kearns, Gardner

Posada’s situation complicates this a little bit he’s going to need fairly regular starts at DH, but I think I’d rather keep the guy who has a regular role in the lineup than a guy who might be able to pinch hit and play defense once or twice a week. Curtis has played well enough to stay, I’m just not sure his role is more significant than Thames.

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125 Responses to “Should you stay or should you go now”

  1. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Repost:

    I can’t wait to see the first time Ozzie calls out Manny for dogging it.

    Sixty five Phony MRI’s later Ozzie and Williams realize they have made a terrible mistake.

    You can’t write funnier material.

    I hope they do it just so I can split my gut laughing. :)

  2. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    I agree that Colin Curtis will be sent down. He’s good enough to platoon LF with Kearns if the Yankees front office trades Gardner at this deadline.

    I’m not saying that will happen because I don’t think it will.

    I just want to illustrate that I think the Yankees see Colin Curtis as good enough to hold a spot with Kearns until Crawford hits free agency.

  3. SJ44 July 31st, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    I agree Chad.

    The Yankees still control Curtis and will have him on the team next year.

    If they release Thames, he’s gone and he still can hit against righties. A valuable tool given the amount of tough LHP in the AL. Particularly in the AL East.

    Its also easier for veteran players to get used to bench roles rather than young players.

    Curtis would be better served playing everyday in Scranton and he will have a great chance to make the roster next year.

  4. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    also just trying to stir conversation.

  5. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    bret-

    No you’re not.

    You’re a damn troublemaker. Like me. :)

  6. Tar July 31st, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    I also think Curtis goes. If they release Thames they lose his RH bat. Also, Thames can pass thru waivers and be traded or DFA anytime they want.

  7. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    MTU,

    Adrenaline rush :)

  8. benfica356 July 31st, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    SI_JonHeyman #sfgiants in serious talks with jays for either jason frasor or scott downs

  9. Sweet Swinging Cano July 31st, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    So I assume Curtis and Miranda go down?

  10. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Olney says Stros want to be overwhelmed for Brett Myers.

  11. Dylan July 31st, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    I like Curtis, but I would keep Thames as well. He is a great bat to have on the bench. The Yankees have two player in Berkman and Granderson that really struggle against lefties. I think a strong lefty bat is more important than a 5th outfielder. Especially since Thames or Pena could play the outfield if they had to.

  12. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Bret-

    I want the Yankees to be the Sledgehammer that drives the final nail known as the Rays chances right into their baseball coffin.

    Nothing else will do. :)

  13. Dylan July 31st, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Woops I mean a RIGHTY bat.

  14. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Heyman says Dodgers demand Viciedo from ChiSox for Manny.

  15. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    MTU,

    Could be painful.

    We’ll know soon…

  16. upstate kate July 31st, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    GB
    I said there was no crying, not no whining!

    my family is good. I hope you are right w/ your predictions, so I can have bragging rights!

  17. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Heyman says Westbrook to Cards done deal.

    Olney wonders if Dodgers moving Manny $$ opens up spot for other moves.

    Starting pitcher acquisition?

  18. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Bret-

    We have already done well.

    The rest is really gravy.

    But I like gravy on my mashed potatoes. How about you ? :)

  19. Rich in NJ July 31st, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Whether or the Astros are able to develop Melancon will be worth watching.

  20. blake July 31st, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    “11:35pm: The Dodgers asked the White Sox for Dayan Viciedo in exchange for Ramirez, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com on Twitter. The Manny market is heating up, according to Yahoo’s Tim Brown on Twitter. The Rays, White Sox and a mystery team are all involved. The Dodgers are considering dealing Manny, according to Brown.”

    I know he’s not what he used to be but I still wouldn’t like seeing Manny in a Rays uniform.

  21. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Bret-

    And extra homemade stuffing in my Turkey. :)

  22. SJ44 July 31st, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    As far as the Red Sox are concerned, there probably is a very good reason they are quiet.

    They know they aren’t good enough this year.

    Now I know there are people here who fear the Red Sox daily and that’s never going to change.

    However, they simply aren’t as good as the Rays or Yankees this year and its not just because of injuries.

    When they were healthy, they were playing .500 baseball. If not for Joba’s May implosion at the stadium, they would fallen off the map much earlier.

    Fact is, Nava and McDonald have outplayed guys like Drew, Ellsbury and Cameron all season.

    The Pedroia injury really hurt him because he’s a great player.

    However, even healthy, they aren’t as good as either NY or Tampa.

    If you are Theo, you have to ask yourself, do you trade your limited inventory of prospects to get good enough to make a run with a team not good enough to win the WS?

    Or, do you sit tight, get through this season, have a ton of money coming off the books and reload in the off-season?

    The Red Sox can NEVER tell their fan base they are chucking the year so, they will say and do all of the right things to make them think they are going to make big deals today.

    If Theo is half as smart as he is given credit for, I bet he sits tight, perhaps makes a minor move, and goes with what he’s got to get through this season.

    The major re-tooling of the Red Sox will come in the off-season, IMO.

  23. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Stark: Lilly Theriot to Dodgers likely.

    Heyman: Ludwick to Pads likely

    Rosenthal: SF can’t meet Jays demands for Downs.

  24. Rich in NJ July 31st, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    How Melancon does with the Astros is worth watching.

  25. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Olney: Westbrook, Ludwick 3 way with Indians, Cards, Pads done.

  26. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    SJ-

    That sounds about right on Theo, about half as clever. ;)

  27. blake July 31st, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    SJ,

    totally agree. Very telling how quite the Sox have been and it makes sense and is probably the right thing for them to do. Cut your losses and try again next year.

  28. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    MTU,

    I eat 5 meals a day. I’m never stuffed but never full.

    Equilibrium.

  29. blake July 31st, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Lol…they just asked this guy on MLB network about Montero and he said : “great bat, switch hitter, power from both sides”….

  30. Betsy July 31st, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    I wouldn’t get rid of Thames ………….

  31. joeman July 31st, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    interesting how B Myers was almost a Yankee..now that would have been a great move

  32. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Bret-

    It was not meant to be taken literally but I’m sure you knew that.

    Now let’s get the Yankees to Ultratrade a bit. :)

  33. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    SJ,

    Great post about the Sox.

    Likely spot on.

    Sox have limited resources and can’t compete this year.

    This is a pivotal off season for Theo.

    Would kill him if we get both Lee and Crawford.

    He’s probably really high on Werth.

  34. Betsy July 31st, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Richard Justice (Houston Chronicle) was on WFAN just now and raved about Berkman as a player. He admits he could have an issue adjusting to DH, but thinks the guy has plenty left and will be energized playing for a contender.

    As to Meyers, he thinks McLane changed his mind and will now trade him – because the team stinks so in essence what’s the point in keeping him?

  35. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Blake-

    Switch hitter huh.

    That guy is a genius. :)

  36. GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    upstate kate July 31st, 2010 at 12:35 pm
    GB
    I said there was no crying, not no whining!

    my family is good. I hope you are right w/ your predictions, so I can have bragging rights!

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    That’s great to hear, Kate.

    There are a few on here that just need to take a little time out, take a deep breath and hold it until told to exhale. I’ll let them know when to exhale.

  37. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    MTU,

    I’m content either way is what I’m saying.

    But I’ve been known to knock it down at an all-you-can-eat Golden Coral buffet.

    Gorging every now and then is as important and even as spiritual as fasting IMHO.

  38. Betsy July 31st, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    The Sox got screwed this year because of injuries; they’ll be fine next year.

  39. joeman July 31st, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Betsy..hear his little story about Myers

  40. Rich in NJ July 31st, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    I don’t fear the RS, but I respect them. They’re not completely out of it.

  41. Betsy July 31st, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Actually, if they re-tool, they’ll be scary good …. mostly because of their pitching.

  42. Tyler July 31st, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    SJ-

    Do you think the Sox are going to trade Ellsbury in the offseason? I know they are pretty upset about how long it is taking him to be play again and he basically threw the Sox medical staff under the bus with his misdiagnosis claims. Could you see them trading him and going after Crawford very hard?

  43. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Bret-

    Good deal.

    We have one out our way where all the buffet food is homemade.

    Delicious.

    Haven’t been there in a while. Now I’m getting hungry.

    Better get this trade stuff out of the way quick so I can go git me some. :)

  44. Betsy July 31st, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Joe, I’m not interested in hearing any story about Meyers. I have absolutely no interest in him………and you already know why.

  45. GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    blake July 31st, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    Lol…they just asked this guy on MLB network about Montero and he said : “great bat, switch hitter, power from both sides”….

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    As well as he hits to all fields, when he hits to right, you’d think he was left handed. He hits the ball so hard that it seldom has time to slice. It just flies straight and true.

  46. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    At the farmer’s market today, I bought 2 pounds of grass fed ground beef from a local farm, 2 lbs of ground pasteurized chicken and 3 lbs of Brautwurst. Hogs are fed 70/30 split of feed/veggie scraps. It’s hard to fatten a pig without the feed. Supermarket pig is 100% feed which is dangerously high in bad fats.

  47. Betsy July 31st, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Rich, I agree………..No tweets about the Yanks; wonder if they are done for now.

  48. blake July 31st, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    GB,

    yea I can agree with you there.

  49. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Bret-

    You keep on going Au Naturel.

    I’m just waiting for the Soria announcement to be made and then I headin’ out. ;)

  50. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    Betsy July 31st, 2010 at 12:52 pm
    Rich, I agree………..No tweets about the Yanks; wonder if they are done for now.

    **********

    Obviously you haven’t been following NYYrumors on Twitter.

  51. GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    tampa will have trouble staying with Boston and Toronto next year if they go through with the idea of sticking with a $60 mil budget.

  52. tampayank July 31st, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    so what’s the deal w/ Manny? is he Chicago bound?

  53. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    JOAKIM SORIA

    :lol:

  54. Tyler July 31st, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Cards fans are pretty upset about the Westbrook deal. Think they gave up way too much. Wanted to give Ludwick to Tampa for a couple of prospects. They don’t think Westbrook will even crack their top 4 and are wondering why they gave up their protection to Holliday once Jon Jay comes back down to earth.

  55. Betsy July 31st, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Bret, fake rumors are not my thing, so no, lol…………

  56. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    tampayank July 31st, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    so what’s the deal w/ Manny? is he Chicago bound?

    **********

    Reports say Dodgers want top prospect from ChiSox and Rays.

    Would be interesting to see if the Rays get more aggressive then the Gambler.

  57. Bill D July 31st, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    “When they were healthy, they were playing .500 baseball.”

    Hate to let facts get in the way of a good story, but they Red Sox were 43-22 over the 65 games that preceded the injuries to Pedroia, Martinez and Buchholtz. Pretty sure that’s a few percentage points higher than .500. They were 49-32 the same day the Yankees were 49-31. I don’t think they are as good as the Rays and Yankees either, but to suggest injuries haven’t played a significant role in where they are right now seems a little misguided.

  58. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    Pads now have Tejada + Ludwick to go with Adrian Gonzalez and all that pitching.

    Godspeed to them!

  59. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Betsy July 31st, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    Bret, fake rumors are not my thing, so no, lol…………

    *********

    Rumors by their very nature are fake.

    Ponder that…

    :)

  60. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Rosenthal: Jays want something big for Bautista. Same with Downs so no surprise there. They need to be realistic about their future though. They should cash in while they can.

  61. GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Boston was also playing 3/4ths of their games at home against bottom feeders. That certainly didn’t hurt their record any.

  62. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Bret-

    By the way, just we can talk about something important here for a minute.

    How’s your Sister’s baby doing ? :)

  63. tampayank July 31st, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    “# Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    tampayank July 31st, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    so what’s the deal w/ Manny? is he Chicago bound?

    **********

    Reports say Dodgers want top prospect from ChiSox and Rays.

    Would be interesting to see if the Rays get more aggressive then the Gambler.

    would not want to see him go to the Rays, I doubt they get that aggressive but maybe they’ll break their passive habit and go for it

  64. SJ44 July 31st, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    I think Crawford is going to get over 100 million and end up in Anaheim.

    I think Lee is going to the Yankees.

    I think Werth will end up in Boston.

    Trade Ellsbury? They could trade anybody but, its all about what market there is for him.

    Its tough when you miss most of a season because its difficult for a team to sell your actual value.

    They have a lot of money to spend. Unfortunately though, they aren’t going to outbid the Yankees for Cliff Lee and I think they know that.

    Putting Lee in NY makes the Yankees even more formidable.

    Crawford? You have to think nothing will stop Arte Moreno from signing him. Especially after missing the playoffs this year.

    From Crawford’s perspective, the Angels are an ideal team for him.

    Great organization, weather, ballpark, and their style of play suits him.

    He makes his off-season home in Arizona so, its very comfortable for him.

  65. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    MTU,

    My niece Sloan is fantastic. My brother in CT is driving down with his girlfriend to see her this month. My mom is flying down to spend a month. I’m going up there to VA beach area in August or Sept. I can’t wait to see her!

  66. 57ryank July 31st, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    Not sold on Thames at all. Posada, Kearns, A-Rod,and Jeter (ocasionally) can serve as RH DH as needed. As long as Pena is on team.

    Thames doesn’t hit the good lefties. To me, too far over the hill. IMO

    Colin Curtis I’ll take over Thames even with inexperience.

  67. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    tampayank July 31st, 2010 at 1:02 pm
    “# Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    tampayank July 31st, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    so what’s the deal w/ Manny? is he Chicago bound?

    **********

    Reports say Dodgers want top prospect from ChiSox and Rays.

    Would be interesting to see if the Rays get more aggressive then the Gambler.

    would not want to see him go to the Rays, I doubt they get that aggressive but maybe they’ll break their passive habit and go for it

    ****************

    They’re losing Crawford and Pena unless they can rake it in the postseason and reinvest those revenues.

    Manny could get them over the hump.

  68. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    MTU,

    Baby is great. Hoping to visit her soon!

  69. 57ryank July 31st, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Manny could get them over the hump.

    ===========================

    Manny is a hump ! LOL

  70. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    How in the world could the Mariners expect a big time prospect for Aardsma?

    They got crud for Cliff Lee.

  71. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Bret-

    Glad to hear she is doing well.

    “Manny could get them over the hump.”

    You didn’t phrase that right. It should read, “Manny IS a hump.” ;)

  72. tampayank July 31st, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    SJ 44 good call on Crawford, the Angels seem perfect for his game, also nice weather for those valuable legs to stay loose/prevent injuries(not many cold weather games)

  73. GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    Hard to believe that Cleveland is being so irresponsible that they are starting Tomlin in his 2nd ML game today on 3 days rest.

  74. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    57-

    Great minds think alike.

    You beat me to the punch. :)

  75. Ed July 31st, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    I think the batting order should be: Jeter, Berkman, Teixeria, Rodriguez, Cano, Posada, Granderson, Gardner.

    Let’s say its the bottom of the 9th, 1-2-3 is due up and Yanks down by one. If Jeter gets on, the pitcher can’t IBB Berkman. It’s going to a nice fun scenario.

  76. CR9 July 31st, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    “Rumors by their very nature are fake.”

    LOL! How true.

  77. SJ44 July 31st, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    I’m talking about Mid-May when their injuries began to hit. I’m not talking about the June injuries.

    When they were completely healthy, they weren’t that good. They got a surge in June from guys like McDonald, Nava and Hall to some degree.

    Delcarmen had a hot month in the pen.

    There is no guarantee they would have had that surge given how badly Ellsbury and Cameron were playing at the time and how badly Beckett was pitching.

    You take their June surge out, they were basically a .500, maybe a little over, club.

    Not good enough to stay with Tampa and NY all year unless either (or both) team came back to the pack.

  78. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Sherman says Rays still hunting for a reliever and not stopping at Qualls.

    They have their setup guy and closer so I don’t see them getting into a bidding war with the Yanks for an elite reliever.

  79. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Whatever Cash might be forced to leave unfinished now maybe he’ll be able to complete in August. ;)

  80. Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    You forgot Swisher, Ed.

    I prefer to keep Swisher where he is. I don’t even mind seeing Granderson in that #2 slot when he’s hitting well.

    I’d rather hit Berkman 6th or 7th than Swisher.

  81. GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    In order to have any offense to put around Longoria, Tampa’s going to need to resign Pena, unless they can figure out what makes Upton tick. He’s going to get just about $5 mil next year while hitting .225.

  82. Joe from Long Island July 31st, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    It’s hard to refute Chad’s and SJ’s logic. The things that Curtis brings to the table over Thames is youth, better baserunning, and D. These are not insignificant attributes, and can be very helpful on the bench.

    The one thing that will probably make the difference in decision-making is how they view Curtis Granderson. If they feel he can do decently enough against lefty pitching, then give the nod to Curtis. If not, then Thames, and Granderson becomes your athletic, baserunning, D guy off the bench.

    I wonder which relief pitcher they’re targeting. Have to think Kearns and Berkman were done primarily because they were easier to get accomplished.

  83. Rich in NJ July 31st, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    The Rays’ pen is pretty good now, maybe better than the Yankees’ pen.

  84. pat July 31st, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Joelsherman1 #Rays are losing Balfour to injury for a while, so not stopping at Qualls, looking for more relief

  85. Ed July 31st, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Giuseppe Franco,

    wow I failed. how could I forgot all about Swisher?? good look out. lol.

  86. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Joe,

    Interesting perspective and insight.

  87. SJ44 July 31st, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    That tells me somebody in the Rays pen is hurting if they are still looking for relief help.

    They have leaned on their bullpen a lot so far this year. Perhaps some guys are begininng to feel the effects.

    The Rays pen is better than the Yankees pen. I don’t think anybody can logically argue otherwise.

  88. pat July 31st, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    draysbay
    And the other shoe drops. Grant Balfour to DL with rib strain, making room for Qualls. Need that depth more than ever.

  89. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Joe-

    I think Berkman and AK-47 are very solid additions especially Lance. :)

  90. benfica356 July 31st, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Joelsherman1 #Rays have interest in Downs #Blue Jays, League #Mariners, but cost still high in relief market

  91. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Sherman says Rays interested in Downs and League.

    I don’t like the sound of that.

  92. Apple byte July 31st, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    Can’t figure why the Rays needed to get another RH reliever for their pen in Chad Qualls. They only have one lefty in their bullpen in Randy Choate. Howell is out for the year.
    At least the Yankees have the possibility of Damaso Marte coming back and Royce Ring has had a good season at AAA. Boone Logan has been pitching well since his recall.

  93. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    SJ,

    It was mentioned that Balfour is hurting.

    Qualls + Downs/League + Benoit + Soriano is pretty formidable.

    Add Manny to the mix as their DH and they are looking pretty downright tough.

  94. MTU July 31st, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Bret-

    If the Rays want to give away the Sun, Moon and Stars for a couple of relievers let’s not stand in their way of being stupid.

    Let’s just back off and watch them overpay. :)

  95. Rich in NJ July 31st, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Even w/o Balfour the Rays have a better pen.

  96. tampayank July 31st, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    where did Benoit come from? that guy has been lights out

  97. SJ44 July 31st, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Bret,

    They aren’t adding all of those guys.

    Having interest in guys and doing deals are two very different things.

  98. Joe from Long Island July 31st, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    The Red Sox will need OF help next year (never mind this year), and Werth is a better fit for them than Crawford. RH bat in Fenway (look what it did for Bay). The only catch is he’s a longtime RF, and I think Drew has another year on his deal, no? I guess they could move Drew to DH, but then that presumes they don’t pick up Ortiz’ option – wouldn’t that be a story!

  99. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Am I the only one itching for Joakim Soria as we head into the 11th hour?

  100. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Joe,

    They could move Drew to LF, have Ellsbury in CF and Werth in RF.

  101. Ed July 31st, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    I think Cashman should call the Marlins, and inquire about Ricky Nolasco and Anibal Sanchez. Both had pitched for Girardi, and was under Mike Harkey’s wings. I like Sanchez a bit more since he doesn’t give up much homers, while Nolasco has a nice K rate. Both of them is decent too…

    I also think Cashman should inquire about Joe Inglett as a potential bench piece. With limited playing time, he still bat for average with a .355 OBP. He could basically play every position besides catch. He could be a major upgrade of Pena offensively, and a decent fielder.

  102. Rich in NJ July 31st, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Soria’s WHIP over the last four seasons:

    2007: .94
    2008: .96
    2009: 1.13
    2010: 1.19

    That’s a concern.

  103. Yogi Mantle July 31st, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    # Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Am I the only one itching for Joakim Soria as we head into the 11th hour?
    ————-

    You’re not alone, but I just don’t see it getting done. It would be a sweet move, but the cost may keep make it improbable.

  104. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    SJ,

    I didn’t mean to imply League + Downs.

    I meant League or Downs.

    They could easily add League.

  105. GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Looks like Shelley Duncan will finally get his first extended major league play and in the outfield. Good for him. He would never get that chance with NYYs unless there were mass casualites to the outfield.

  106. Apple byte July 31st, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Gammons is just another voice when not talking about his Red Sox or overrating their farm system.
    Theo Epstein said it would be a “bridge year” during spring training. Some of their fans may be jumping off the Tobin Bridge in Boston.

  107. Captain Clutch July 31st, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    I am still waiting for Cashman to make his yearly trade with Pittsburgh. The deadline can’t end without one. How dare them make a trade with the D’backs.

  108. SJ44 July 31st, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Neither Nolasco or Sanchez are available. The Marlins have no interest in trading either guy.

    That means, if you want them, its a Top 5 prospect at minimum and I don’t see the Yankees going in that direction.

    The crazy thing about Werth is, he is the kind of guy who can bust as a FA.

    Good player, not a difference maker, and he is going to get a lot of money simply because he’s the second best OF FA after Crawford.

    Whoever signs him, and I think its going to be Boston, is going to regret that signing in two years, IMO.

  109. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Rich in NJ,

    Not a drastic rise.

    His stuff is the same.

    His consistency unmatched aside from Mo.

    Slight inflation of WHIP could be attributed to league adjustments.

  110. LGY July 31st, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    If the only thing the Rays upgrade at the deadline is the bullpen then that is good news from a Yankee perspective.

    They already had a better pen than the Yankees anyway.

    Starting pitching first and foremost wins in the playoffs and then offense. Middle relief is towards the bottom of difference makers in the playoffs. We saw that last year with the Yankees.

    And regardless of who the Rays add to their pen, the Yankees will still have an inherent advantage by having Mo at the back end.

    People need to stop worrying about other teams and realize how good this team is.

  111. Ed July 31st, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    SJ44,

    could it be that Bud Selig is watching over them because of their financial situation? They basically salary dump every year when a player reach their arb years.

  112. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    The panicking about worrying is overblown and panicky.

  113. Rich in NJ July 31st, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    “His consistency unmatched aside from Mo.”

    The point is that virtually every reliever in MLB history but Mo doesn’t remain consistent at a very high level for very long.

    “Slight inflation of WHIP could be attributed to league adjustments.”

    It could be, or it could be a red flag.

  114. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Yogi Mantle July 31st, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    # Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Am I the only one itching for Joakim Soria as we head into the 11th hour?
    ————-

    You’re not alone, but I just don’t see it getting done. It would be a sweet move, but the cost may keep make it improbable.

    ************

    Something is being worked on, which might be indicated by the silence and secrecy, but ultimately, you’re right, it’s a long-shot.

    It would end the Rays for sure though.

  115. Rich in NJ July 31st, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    “People need to stop worrying about other teams and realize how good this team is.”

    I would rather lose than trade a top prospect anyway.

  116. GreenBeret7 July 31st, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    This young guy Tomlin that’s pitching for Cleveland is impressive again, so far. He seems to have the guts of Greg Maddux. If he ever gets that size of a strike zone, look out. retired the first 6 batters, the last 3 on strikeouts.

  117. Joe from Long Island July 31st, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    I think the biggest thing to help Tampa this year was Joaquin Benoit. Yes, Soriano has done his job in the 9th, but to get there….Benoit was signed for nothing, with a very unimpressive resume, coming off major shoulder surgery and not pitching in a year – and been virtually lights out. Besides their starting rotation staying intact all year, he’s been the biggest reason they’re the second best team in baseball.

  118. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Rich in NJ,

    Since he’s only 26, I’m more inclined to believe his slight uptick in WHIP is due to league adjustments.

    It’s still extremely difficult for offenses to mount much of a late threat against him.

    It has been for the last 4 years of seeing the same or similar divisional foes over and over again.

    Remember how the Red Sox started to adjust to Mo?

  119. kd July 31st, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    werth is the type of guy that reminds me me a little of preston wilson, a few great years and then a dramatic fall off. if he signs for 4/65 or 5/80, that’s going to be a really tough contract to deal with.

    crawford is a guy cb says that is dependent on his legs. maybe not the type of guy to whom you want commit a lot of years.

    lee is pinstripes puts a smile on my face. you worry less about the bullpen when you have cc and lee giving you 8 innings a start. you give guys like brackman, banuelos etc the chance to break into the bullpen aka young master phil.

    it’s a great time to be a yankee fan

  120. SJ44 July 31st, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Ed,

    No, I don’t think so. They are moving into a new ballpark in a couple of years and they are beginning to realize that if they keep dismantling the team, its going to be tough to sell tickets.

    Especially in a market where most sports fans are saving their money to buy Heat tickets and Dolphins tickets.

    They are trying to do a multi-year with Uggla and Nolasco now and that’s a departure from what they usually do. Mainly because if they don’t, they won’t sell tickets in the new place.

  121. Bret The Hitman July 31st, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    New post.

    New post.

    New post.

  122. 86w183 July 31st, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Chad Qualls is hardly an upgrade, though he’ll benefit from that infield defense.

    Can’t see keeping Curtis over Thames. That spot is going to get minimal playing time and Curtis is a young guy who needs to play every day if possible.

    Thames should still DH against LHP with Granderson sitting out a few of those and Kearns in LF. Berkman is much better against RHP.

  123. ejg415 July 31st, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    This might have already been said, but what is the point of keeping BOTH Kearns and Thames on the team to come off the bench?

  124. ejg415 July 31st, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Here’s what my lineups would be…

    VS. RHP
    Jeter-SS, Swisher-RF, Teixeira-1B, A-Rod-3B, Cano-2B, Berkman-DH, Posada-C, Granderson-CF, Gardner-LF

    VS. LHP
    Jeter-SS, Swisher-RF, Teixeira-1B, A-Rod-3B, Cano-2B, Berkman-DH, Posada-C, Kearns-LF, Gardner-CF

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