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Pettitte gets on the mound

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 01, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’ll have more on this when I get out of the clubhouse, but for now…

Andy Pettitte threw 25 pitches off a half mound this morning. He said everything feels great and he’s roughly one week ahead of schedule. He’s planning to leave Tampa with the team.

Sounds like he’ll need at least one more bullpen before he’s ready to make a rehab start, and he’s certain he’ll need at least one rehab outing before coming back to the rotation.

 
 

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150 Responses to “Pettitte gets on the mound”

  1. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2010 at 11:31 am

    See you in two weeks?

  2. Fran the original August 1st, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Good news on Andy. Hopefully he’ll be ready sooner that first expected.

  3. CountryClub August 1st, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Dandy Andy. As long as he comes back full strength, this little break will be good for the old timer.

  4. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 11:32 am

    That’s great news……….I miss Andy.

    SJ, I didn’t know Marte had a weakened shoulder; I guess this is the reason why the Yankees had Phil stop throwing his slider in favor of the curve. I can’t blame them – though I think they read that they gave him permission to pick it up again and by then he’s completely lost the feel for it. As to Marte, in his absence Logan as done the job so he can take as much time as he needs to get strong again.

  5. pat August 1st, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Good news on Andy. SWB or Trenton fans might get a bonus seeing Andy pitch a rehab.

    Think it hurts Brett Gardner’s feelings when Alex getting the day off makes ESPN Breaking News and he doesn’t? :wink:

  6. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 August 1st, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Yay! Awesome news.

  7. mick August 1st, 2010 at 11:37 am

    Gardnerson is going to get a blow
    ======================
    GF—Who is this guy you speak of?
    I know Granderson and Gardner, but not his guy.

    I guess Alex wants to hit #600 at home.
    Either that or as a pinchhitter today.

  8. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 11:37 am

    When Andy comes back, this rotation could be really good again. CC is CC, AJ is pitching a lot better, Andy is Andy, Phil is improving and Javy’s been solid.

  9. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Wow, Davidoff:

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.2160573

    As they checked in for work Saturday at Tropicana Field, taking on the dangerous Rays, the Yankees looked like a superior team to the one that came here Friday. Yet as you start envisioning how the new pieces will integrate into this club, you realize that Joe Girardi will have some work to do.

    Not just with the pieces, but also with the players. And from everything we’ve seen, pieces are Girardi’s strength, players his weakness.

    “I’ll make sure that there’s constant communication, because guys are used to playing every day,” Girardi said before the Yankees’ exciting 5-4 win over the Rays. “But this isn’t the first time that this club’s been this way. You have to understand that things work out for a reason. And sometimes you have to give up a little bit to get something.”

    Berkman stands as one of the best switch hitters of his generation. Kearns, a righthanded hitter, actually has performed better against righties than lefties since 2008, yet he still gets to lefties (.330 on-base percentage and .390 slugging percentage this season) considerably better than Curtis Granderson (.252/.286).

    Wood? He can be great, although he hasn’t been since 2008. There’s your upside.

    Now comes the hairy part for Girardi: Navigating these waters:

    1. Less playing time for Granderson, no matter how much he deserves it, with Kearns starting in leftfield and Brett Gardner shifting to centerfield against lefties.

    2. Less playing time for Jorge Posada, who had become a part-time designated hitter – tallying a nifty .376/.453 – as he transitioned out of catching. At nearly 39, he can’t catch as often as he did in his prime. Berkman gets most DH at-bats now.

    3. Less playing time for Berkman, who has been dreadful (.278/.281) against lefthanders. You’ve got to start Marcus Thames (.406/.426) against lefties. Oh, and Berkman will be a full-time DH for the first time in his career.

    4. As long as Girardi hits Berkman second, that means a lower spot in the order for Nick Swisher, who had excelled in the number two slot with a .366/.543.

    5. The bullpen. Yeesh. This arguably has been Girardi’s forte, but now he’ll be expected to help Wood, whom he caught with the Cubs from 2000 through 2002.

    Forget about the external factors of Wood adjusting to a new team and joining a pennant race. Is he even any good anymore? We don’t know yet. Girardi will have to figure out a way to learn that while allowing David Robertson to progress and trying to get Joba Chamberlain back to optimal performance.

    So by a rough count, that’s nine of the 25 Yankees players, including the three newbies, who will face some sort of transition as a result of these gluttonous moves.

    Some will blow over fast. Swisher, hitting sixth Saturday night, hit a tying homer off Matt Garza in the seventh. And once the playoffs begin, these issues tend to get tossed aside in the name of single-mindedness.

    En route to the playoffs, however, I think the Yankees just signed themselves up for some extra turbulence.

    Or, to spin it more positively, Girardi could use some work on his people skills anyway
    ********

    First of all, Joe has a great relationship with his players. Second of all, GLUTTONOUS? Turbulence?

  10. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 11:39 am

    Great news :)

  11. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 11:40 am

    pat August 1st, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Good news on Andy. SWB or Trenton fans might get a bonus seeing Andy pitch a rehab.

    Think it hurts Brett Gardner’s feelings when Alex getting the day off makes ESPN Breaking News and he doesn’t

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    wow-Alex getting the day off was breaking news on ESPN? Must be a slow news day. ;)

  12. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 11:41 am

    Joel Sherman is stuch a stooge……..his article today was about how the Yanks repudiated their off-season mistakes by making these deals…….and included Granderson among Johnson, Park and Winn. From the very beginning, he’s been riding Granderson………….and at the same time pretending he knew who the hell AJax was.

  13. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 11:42 am

    And then he goes on to say that other teams hate the system because Yankees can just throw money at mistakes, but he neglects to mention the Yankees also subsidize loser teams like the Pirates, Royals, etc……..

  14. mick August 1st, 2010 at 11:43 am

    With Mosely going Tues and an off day Thurs, his start will be skipped v the RS and the next time we need a 5th starter is Aug 14 @ KC.
    That being 2 weeks away, Andy could be ready.
    Or Aug 19 at home game 4 of Det series.

  15. SJ44 August 1st, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Girardi in 2008 was not a “people person”.

    The Girardi of the last two years has gotten along very well with his players because his communication skills have improved. I haven’t heard from a player who hasn’t noticed the difference in him the last two years.

    Hard for me to see Kerry Wood, Curtis Granderson and Lance Berkman, three guys with great clubhouse reps in the game, being “problems”.

    Jorge? I think he knows Girardi wants him catching everyday. For that to happen, they have to manage his aches and pains effectively.

    Much ado about nothing, IMO.

    Let’s face it, when you are covering a team of good guys, playing great baseball, and you are in NYC, you gotta look to take on some controversy angle.

    If you don’t, your web hits drop significantly.

  16. jesusmonterofordh August 1st, 2010 at 11:44 am

    i fiqure andy wouldn’t be out 4 to 5 weeks

  17. Tyler August 1st, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Boy I hope the Yanks aren’t behind in the later innings today. That Benoit/Soriano combination just means game over. Simply unhittable.

  18. mick August 1st, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Girardi could manage rings around Torre.
    And he knows how to handle a bullpen.

  19. pat August 1st, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Erin

    Must have been because I’ve heard no one cares about what Alex does anymore. :wink:

  20. mick August 1st, 2010 at 11:46 am

    Boy I hope the Yanks aren’t behind in the later innings today. That Benoit/Soriano combination just means game over. Simply unhittable.
    =====================================
    How’d that work out last night?

  21. Bret The Hitman August 1st, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Johnson, Park and Winn were horrendous decisions.

    Javy was a wise choice.

    Granderson will shut up Sherman before long.

  22. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 11:47 am

    YankeesWFAN Pettitte slipped on turf here during agility drills but was fine. Minor scare but laughed about it after. Half-mound session went well too.

  23. Tyler August 1st, 2010 at 11:47 am

    mick August 1st, 2010 at 11:46 am
    Boy I hope the Yanks aren’t behind in the later innings today. That Benoit/Soriano combination just means game over. Simply unhittable.
    =====================================
    How’d that work out last night?
    ————————————–

    Uh, I was being sarcastic?

  24. SJ44 August 1st, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Betsy,

    He’s right.

    Let’s face it, if NJ doesn’t bust, they don’t go after Berkman.

    If Randy Winn doesn’t bust, they don’t go after Kearns.

    If Chan Ho Park doesn’t bust, they don’t go after Wood.

    That’s what good GM’s do. They don’t get caught up in trying to prove mistakes weren’t mistakes. You look to correct them if you can.

    Ruben Amaro did the same thing in Philadelphia by acquiring Oswalt. They could have just kept Cliff Lee and been one of the favorites to win the World Series.

    Instead, they foolishly traded him. Ruben didn’t try to justify it. He just went out and got Oswalt. He’s not as good as Lee but, he’s a LOT better than Joe Blanton.

  25. yanksfansince67 August 1st, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Why isn’t Thames starting at 3B?

  26. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 11:49 am

    In 2008, no he wasn’t……….but that was 2 long years ago.

    Coming from Davidoff, that disappoints me because he’s usually one of the better sportswriters in NY, but there he sounded like Lupica. Oh well, lol. I’m not worried one bit……

  27. mick August 1st, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Johnson, Park and Winn were horrendous decisions.
    ========================
    Hard to kill Cash on those moves.
    Hardly difference makers.
    Missing pieces that didn’t work.
    Now they’re gone and replaced.
    No biggie.

  28. SJ44 August 1st, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Tyler was being sarcastic based on the game threads last night mick.

    Plus, they better not be behind after 3-4 innings because that’s when the game is always declared “over” on the game threads.

    “The Yankees never beat good pitching”.

    “They never come from behind”.

    Those are classic game thread mantras from the confused and the panicked.

  29. Tyler August 1st, 2010 at 11:50 am

    yanksfansince67 August 1st, 2010 at 11:48 am
    Why isn’t Thames starting at 3B?
    ———————————

    Because the Yankees don’t have a good enough insurance policy to cover every single fan sitting behind 1st base all the way up to the nosebleed section?

  30. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 11:51 am

    # yanksfansince67 August 1st, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Why isn’t Thames starting at 3B?

    **************************
    Do you want someone in the stands to get killed?? ;)

  31. mick August 1st, 2010 at 11:52 am

    “The Yankees never beat good pitching”.

    “They never come from behind”.

    Those are classic game thread mantras from the confused and the panicked.
    ==========================================
    Probably young kids who don’t know any better.

  32. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 11:52 am

    SJ, I agree – what I objected to was his inclusion of Granderson. That was not a mistake and judging a player on 1/2 a season IS a mistake; thing is, Sherman judged the trade a long time ago. Curtis has had a disappointing first half season, but he’s obviously a good player and to say that trading guys that had no real future with the Yankees (aside from AJax and I don’t think he would have been patrolling CF this year coming out of ST) is silly. To be fair, EVERYONE judged the trade prematurely……….

    I also objected to his snide comment about the Yankees throwing $$ at mistakes as if it’s a bad thing. As I said, he conveniently ignored how the Yankees subsidize the other teams.

  33. blake August 1st, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Anybody seen Girardi’s new Dove commercial…his and Andy’s are both pretty good and those old photos of Andy are funny.

    Both just seem like really good guys.

  34. Tyler August 1st, 2010 at 11:54 am

    SJ-

    I still can’t get over that Cano homer last night. Coming on the road in a tie game for 1st place against an allstar closer. I know leftys love that ball down and in but the way he dropped the barrel and just crushed it on a 95 mph fastball was something that I’ve hardly seen before. I haven’t seen a ton of baseball since I guess I’m still pretty young but that was unbelievable. The only guys I’ve seen hit that pitch like that have been Bonds and Griffey. He’s developed into a gap to gap hitter with around 60-70 pure power on the scale. It’s amazing.

  35. yanksfansince67 August 1st, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Tyler -

    Did the Knoblauch policy expire?
    Can’t Posada back up the play and toss is back to first? (5-2-3)

    Shirley, you knew i was joking…

  36. mick August 1st, 2010 at 11:55 am

    I also objected to his snide comment about the Yankees throwing $$ at mistakes as if it’s a bad thing. As I said, he conveniently ignored how the Yankees subsidize the other teams.
    ===========================
    Then he’s got you eating out of his hand betsy.
    Do you think 1/2 of these reporters are giving you their real opinions or what is fed to them from the editors/publishers trying to sell newspapers?

  37. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 11:55 am

    LOL I could have done without that scare – thank goodness Andy is ok.

    Park wasn’t a mistake in the sense that he was basically low risk – too bad he was awful. Winn, I guess, did turn out to be on the downside of his career. NJ ? Disaster…….he’s a nice guy, but oh boy is he fragile (and I think he likes to walk more than he likes to hit)

  38. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 11:55 am

    # blake August 1st, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Anybody seen Girardi’s new Dove commercial…his and Andy’s are both pretty good and those old photos of Andy are funny.

    Both just seem like really good guys.

    *****************************
    I love those commercials!!

    I agree-two really good guys.

  39. jesusmonterofordh August 1st, 2010 at 11:55 am

    kearns in the lineup, might because a changeup more affective against a lefty, not sure why brett not playing

  40. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2010 at 11:56 am

    I don’t see Park, Johnson and Winn as being “horrendous mistakes”. They were judgement calls that for one reason or another, didn’t work out. so, Cashman is attempting to correct it. Pretty good and pretty cheap corrections if you ask me.

  41. Giuseppe Franco August 1st, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Sherman was first in line to rip Cashman for the non-Santana deal too about a month into the 2008 season as were most of the NYY beat writers.

    It’s too bad the writers and blowhards aren’t as accountable for their words/actions as they expect the players and managers/coaches to be for theirs.

  42. Joe from Long Island August 1st, 2010 at 11:56 am

    The writers need to have something to write about. It gets boring saying “The Yankees are a great team and the favorites to win the WS” from March on.

    Not all decisions work out. Even those made with all the analyses you want. Good decisions don’t mean they all work, and sometimes things work despite bad decision-making. That’s what happens in life, let alone baseball.

  43. Tyler August 1st, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Yankesfanin67-

    Of course I knew you were joking lol. I don’t know if the Knoblauch policy has expired or if it was a lifetime thing. I think Thames can just place his glove under his bed because he’s only going to be DH’ing or pinchitting against leftys for a while. And that is just fine with everybody.

  44. mick August 1st, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Spending only 5 mil for Berkman, Kearns and Wood seems to be under the radar.
    Of course, people love to pick out the negatives. The positives are taken for granted.

  45. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Mick, I always assume it’s the writers’ opinions…..I’m a fairly naive person, so it never occurred to me to think they’re being told what to write.

    Cano’s HR was monstrous, lol

  46. Cashmoney August 1st, 2010 at 11:58 am

    SJ44 August 1st, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Betsy,

    He’s right.
    —————————
    he is , and Betsy, Yankees financial might is undeniable, it’s just for the last five years, Cashman has also start building a good farm system to augment that huge edge we have over others. if you are a fan other than Sox and Yanks, you prolly would have despised Yankees ability to throw money around.

  47. Tyler August 1st, 2010 at 11:59 am

    I liked the NJ signing before the season. I thought he could stay healthy as a DH but obviously his wrist injuries seem to be pretty chronic and will probably hamper him in whatever role the rest of his career. I don’t think he likes to walk more than hit but he possesses a fantastic eye and has great patience. When he’s hitting in the 2 hole a walk is fantastic because it was getting him on in front of guys like Tex and Arod. He hardly hit at all and his OBP was still pretty respectable. If he was healthy all year I really think he would have been a fantastic pickup and asset for the Yanks. He could also spell Tex at 1B every now and then remember.

  48. SJ44 August 1st, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Betsy,

    You are sometimes too sensitive to columnists viewpoints.

    The Yankees are the top dog. They are richest team. NOBODY likes top dogs in the media unless they are feuding because it makes for boring stories.

    The media would rather write about Graig Nettles punching out Reggie Jackson at a victory party (which did happen) or Posada and El Duque duking it out (which also happened) than writing about how Girardi is going to use all his new toys.

    The fact is, Cashman does have an advantage in terms of being able to eat ($$$-wise) his mistakes that most teams can’t do.

    My view on it is to acknowledge it, don’t apologize for it, and just do your thing.

    I never like when the Yankees are “liked” by the majority of the media. It was like that too much in the final 4-5 years of the Torre Era and that always made me feel uncomfortable.

    To me, it became more about Torre keeping his image pure as opposed to playing with an edge. Needed if you are going to win in NY and in the AL East, IMO.

    I’d rather be hated and feared. That means I have a team capable of winning the WS and not a team looking to be liked.

    Teams looking to be liked by the media usually end up losing.

    I’d rather be hated and win.

  49. Apple byte August 1st, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    How can Cashman be criticized for looking to improve his team ? He’s not mistake proof like anybody else but seizes opportunity when he sees it.
    Fans need only to look 200 miles north of NYC to see what a general manager does when his hands are tied, his farm system is overvalued, and relies on scrap heap types after declaring 2010 as a “bridge year” in spring training.

  50. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    GF, that’s because Sherman never liked Phil. I still remember his comments on the My 9 post-game show after his debut against the Jays………something to the effect that he’s nothing special.

  51. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    BryanHoch Girardi on ARod: “he’s played 13 days in a row. We’ve got to keep him strong.”

  52. Tyler August 1st, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    I think the thing that people are nervous about around baseball more than anything is that the Yankees now have a very good farm system that is producing major league ready contributing players. The financial might of the Yanks has been known for a long time now but now the Yankees can also produce prospects to complete blockbuster trades for guys they can’t sign and call up guys who have the potential to be superstars like Montero.

    The combination of financial wealth and a good farm system has baseball very nervous imo.

  53. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    I’d rather be hated and feared. That means I have a team capable of winning the WS and not a team looking to be liked.
    ———————————-
    Good points SJ.
    I would compare Swisher and Granderson in that regard.
    Last year Swish wanted to be liked so badly, this year he is an ass ass in.
    Granderson also is a very likable guy who could develop a mean streak and get even better.

  54. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Johnson’s wrist is as continual and problematic as Orlando Hudson’s wrist and thumb is. Hudson is the one that a lot of people wanted to be brought in to replace Cano so they could dump him.i

  55. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Jeez, who cares what sherman thinks…

  56. Giuseppe Franco August 1st, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    # Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    GF, that’s because Sherman never liked Phil. I still remember his comments on the My 9 post-game show after his debut against the Jays………something to the effect that he’s nothing special.

    ———-

    I tend to think the same thing about Sherman – he’s nothing special.

  57. MaineYankee August 1st, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Thames episode at third reminds me of when my son was in LL. He was playing third and during warm ups he over threw the 1B and hit the coaches wife in the face. Broke her glas ses and her nose. They now have a higher fence there. :lol:

  58. SJ44 August 1st, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Tyler,

    I was sitting behind home plate last night.

    When Cano hit that pitch, my first thought was, “how did he even get to it”?

    The ball was not only down and in, it seemed to be at his shoe tops.

    He ends up CRUSHING it!.

    The only two balls I’ve seen hit in that areas were by Carlos Pena a few years ago, and Darryl Strawberry many years ago.

    Cano isn’t that big of a guy. His bat speed though is so amazing, he generates more power than you would think.

    Guys last night couldn’t stop commenting on how amazed they were with what he did to that pitch.

  59. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Tyler August 1st, 2010 at 11:54 am

    I still can’t get over that Cano homer last night

    ********************************
    I don’t have much of a voice today after the scream I let out last night when he hit it. LOL And I only went back and watched it 4, maybe 5 times. That and the Cano/Jeter hug at the end of the game. :)

  60. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    some people should learn how to sit back, relax and enjoy the game…it’s entertainment not life and death.

  61. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    not you Erin :)

  62. clar5 August 1st, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Will Andy possibly have a rehab start in Trenton? Its been a while since a big name has rehabbed (sp?) there.

    I was eating pizza in Seaside Heights yesterday when Robbie hit that homer. The whole room exploded. lol

  63. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    SJ, yeah – I am, I admit it.

    I have absolutely no problelm with the Yankees flexing their financial muscle – in fact, they should do it. If they’re going to have to subsidize those other teams, then I have no problem with them taking on extra $$$ because they can. In fact, I’d rather them do that than give up a ton of prospects that can be used at other times.

    That said, if there’s a problem with the system, it’s that the big market teams have to subsidize these losing teams. I have no problem with owners wanting to make a profit, but owning a sports team is different than owning another business – there should be a basic desire to win and I’m not sure that most of these owners have that desire.

    Cash, that’s true.

  64. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    SJ, I mentioned to CB last night that Cano has a bat that is very reminiscent of Tony Oliva. Tremendous power to any place in the park. The only thing Cano can’t do is steal bases. It’s not because he’s slow. either. Watch him on short doubles and triples.

  65. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 August 1st, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Erin August 1st, 2010 at 12:05 pm
    Tyler August 1st, 2010 at 11:54 am

    I still can’t get over that Cano homer last night

    ********************************
    I don’t have much of a voice today after the scream I let out last night when he hit it. LOL And I only went back and watched it 4, maybe 5 times. That and the Cano/Jeter hug at the end of the game
    ________________________________________________________________________
    Seriously, Jeter and Cano this season…I cant even. Theres a nice picture of them in the daily news today )

  66. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    not you Erin

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    thanks, mick. :)

  67. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    LOL GF……….I don’t think any of these sportswriters are anything special. Some are career minor leaguers, like Pukica and some are ordinary, average major leaguers, like Sherman, Olney, etc.. (meaning, they have their good days and their bad, but you can’t count on them to be good most of the time).

  68. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Some people analyze the game of baseball to death.
    Leave some air in the room, let it breathe.
    It’s not an exercise in intellectual stimulation, it’s a GAME.

  69. SJ44 August 1st, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    I posted at ST this year what scout friends of mine were saying about the Yankees.

    They were talking about how Cashman is now running the place like a real baseball operation and that’s going to be trouble for everybody.

    One scout friend from another team has been telling his team for two years the Yankees are LOADED in their system and that its a lot better than people think.

    As my friend told me, “There is so much hatred and jealousy with the Yankees by folks in the industry, it too often clouds their judgment”.

    He feels that teams overlook many propsects in the Yankee system because of it.

    Many of the Yankee propsects will never play in NY because they are blocked with guys who are superstars.

    However, unlike other years, Cashman won’t give those guys away for nothing.

    The Yankees had one of the longer lists of guys they wouldn’t move during the trade deadline.

    The place is being run in many ways like its a smaller market team from a baseball operations standpoint.

    If it continues to run that way, the rest of the league is in big trouble.

  70. NYY626 - Andy in 2011 August 1st, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    is anyone watching yankees on deck? LOL at this taco bell commercial w/ Joe and Mo.

  71. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Tyler, they should be worried………very worried, lol. Cash has done a terrific job rebuilding the farm system.

  72. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    NYY626 – Andy in 2011 August 1st, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Seriously, Jeter and Cano this season…I cant even. Theres a nice picture of them in the daily news today )

    ****************************
    Aren’t they adorable?!! Thanks for the heads up about the picture-hopefully they have it up online so I can see it.

  73. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Who cares what some guy thinks? The average fan has as much insight into the game as they do. They are just more marketable and know how to get the job the newspaper or tv station wants done. They are messengers for hire, not gospel. They lose their job, they are here on the blog.

  74. MaineYankee August 1st, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    GB7

    I saw the comparisions of Cano to players in the past last night.

    I don’t remember Olivia that well but the way he uses his hands and handles the bat reminds me of Carew.

    He just has tremondous hands and bat speed.

  75. Tyler August 1st, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Revis holding out in Jets camp. At least Sam Bradford signed 2 days ago. Maybe my Rams will win 3 games this year and equal the past 2 years win totals. Being a Yankees fan equals out with my Rams and Blues fandom….

  76. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    The place is being run in many ways like its a smaller market team from a baseball operations standpoint.
    ================
    Great point SJ.

  77. SJ44 August 1st, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    GB,

    That’s a very good comparison. He’s a lot more like Tony Oliva than Rod Carew, IMO, because of the bat speed he generates. Oliva generated that kind of bat speed.

    Robbie can hit 40 HR’s one day and there aren’t a lot of second basemen who can say that.

  78. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    I think now Cash has established the fact that he won’t overpay for players he wants – he’s not desperate and there are always other options – and he won’t overpay for FA he wants (like Damon) for the same reason. That might be the best thing he’s done.

  79. Tyler August 1st, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    SJ-

    I’m sure some of the criticism of the Yanks farm system is pure jealousy and envy but do you think some of has to do with how overrated some of their products in the early 2000s were in that system? Guys like Henson, Navarro, Eric Duncan? Yankees prospects now seem to come up and hav good stints in the minors but I remember lots of talk around baseball about how overrated Yanks prospects are and that seemed to be the overall consensus on the sytem for a while. It’s got to be scary that the Yanks can go out and get a guy like Lee this offseason and then fill their bench with cheap alternatives who have shown that they can be productive like Curtis, Cervelli, Pena. The real studs of the system haven’t even come up yet. Imagine if guys like Betances, Banuelos, Brackman reach their potential. Then Montero makes the big leagues…. It’s a bright future.

  80. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Mick, I have always sort of cared what the sportswriters think……..but I’m working on fixing that problem

  81. Eroc August 1st, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    To be fair to Sherman, I think his inclusion of Granderson was to illustrate how he did not improve against lefties this year the way they had hoped. Thus, the need for Kearns because Grandy is a liability against lefties.

  82. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Cash will overpay for FA he wants.
    He just won’t overpay for FA he doesn’t want.

  83. MaineYankee August 1st, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    SJ44

    I think in the early part of his career is when I thought he looked like Carew.

    He now has developed more power so that changes the comparison.

  84. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Mick, I have always sort of cared what the sportswriters think……..but I’m working on fixing that problem
    =============
    Betsy, you seem to care what everybody thinks.
    I don’t know where you get the time…

  85. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Boy, there were a lot of Yankee fans in Tampa last night…..or so it sounded.

  86. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    MaineYankee August 1st, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    GB7

    I saw the comparisions of Cano to players in the past last night.

    I don’t remember Olivia that well but the way he uses his hands and handles the bat reminds me of Carew.

    He just has tremondous hands and bat speed.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Oliva was Carew’s mento when Carew came up. Turned him from a .270 hitter into a .340 hitter. He wanted Carew to turn on the ball a little more, but, Carew was uncomfortable doing that. I do remember Carew putting a few into the 3rd deck at YS, both versions. Two amazing hitters with similar styles and different type of results. Carew was like Boggs and suzuki. If they had wanted to pull the ball, they could hit 25 homers a year, but, sacrifice the average.

  87. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Mick, he wanted Damon……..but he didn’t want Damon badly enough to overpay for him.

  88. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Oliva was Carew’s ***mentor*** when Carew

  89. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    He wanted CC and AJ and Tex and next will be Lee.
    He might have overpaid a little there.

    He didn’t want Damon.

  90. MaineYankee August 1st, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    GB7

    Good comparison.

    I don’t blame Boggs when he was with the RS because he perfected hitting off the wall.

  91. Tyler August 1st, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    mick-

    i think cashman wanted damon but just wouldn’t overpay for him. i think there was definitely a spot open for damon to dh on this team if he wanted but he held out for more money. i don’t think cashman wanted matsui back at all for fear of his knees causing production to plument admist injuries. that’s the guy i think the yanks didn’t want back.

  92. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    One of the changes that I’ve noticed in Cano over the 6 years is that he’s now getting a bit of lift on the ball and it’s just flying.

  93. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Mick, I have always sort of cared what the sportswriters think……..but I’m working on fixing that problem
    ================
    Betsy, have you ever written sports for a high school or college paper?

  94. Apple byte August 1st, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    This can be a Yankee day to like when C.C. wins over “Big Game” Shields and Justin Verlander wins over “Laptop” Buchholz.

  95. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Mick, no – I love to write, but I’ve never written for any paper.

  96. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Tyler
    He may have wanted Damon back but not badly.
    When they want someone badly they wrap it up quickly now and can overpay.

  97. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    You should try to write sports for a local paper, tell them you’d do it for nothing.
    Editorials.

  98. MaineYankee August 1st, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    SJ44 or some else with knowledge of the situation can correct me if I’m wrong, but I suspect one reason Damon didn’t sign with the Yankees was because he knew their intention was to use him more at DH and he wasn’t ready to give up playing in the field.

  99. SJ44 August 1st, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    I don’t agree. The plan was always to bring Damon back……at the right price.

    The Yankees didn’t make him phantom offers. They don’t operate like that.

    They offered him more money than anybody. Johnny was just fixated on not taking it and was satisfied taking less from another team.

    Boras spent too much time pitching Holliday to the Yankees, IMO and that afffected Johnny’s thinking.

    I think Johnny thought, “The Yankees have to have money if they are in on Holliday so, I’m not lowering my demands”.

    I think Scott should have pulled out a sheet of paper and told Johnny that 45 more HR’s, 300 more hits, and another ring or two, puts you in the discussion for the HOF. That alone is worth taking the Yankees 2 year offer.

    Damon is not on Cashman. Damon is on Damon and that’s a shame because Johnny is a real good guy. He just got too inflexible and stubborn during the negotiations.

  100. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Damon is a mercenary looking for the best dollar.

  101. stuart a August 1st, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    winn and park were mistakes but far from big and expensive.

    the yanks for about 3 years have been doing the bench strengthening at the deadline….

    they have excess funds and the floundering teams like to trade off vets they will lose next year.

  102. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Maine, the only left handed hitter that I remember for Boston that refused to use the wall was Ted Williams. Yazstremski, Vaughn and even Lynn changed. During the middle of his career, Yazstremski became a strict pull hitter, then changed bat when he reached his mid-30s. all of the right handers were strictly pull hitters and for the most part, that killed them on the road and after they changed teams. Rico Petrocelli, Tony Conigliaro and Garcia parra were dead pull. Pedroia has become that. You can tell be his splits that it’s hurt him.

  103. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    He just overevaluated himself.

  104. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    SJ, that’s how I view the Damon thing………..and how often do you see Cash get upset and speak out in public? He clearly didn’t appreciate how Boras handled the whole affair………..and generally speaking, they have a decent relationship. It would have been nice for Damon to have come back, but there is only so much you can do…………

  105. SJ44 August 1st, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Maine,

    That wasn’t it. It got down to Johnny believing that he didn’t deserve the cut in pay the Yankees were offering and that he would get his money in the marketplace.

    Mainly because Scott Boras was telling him that once he got done with Holliday he would be able to set the market for Johnny and he would get his money.

    Johnny’s market never materialized. When that happened, he decided that to hold firm on his Yankee demands, believing they would eventually give in, and they didn’t.

    IMO, Scott did him a disservice on this one. He’s made Johnny a lot of money over the years but, this one is not his best work.

    Detroit isn’t a ballpark suited for Johnny’s skills. Its a bad fit and its a shame because Johnny would have been in a much better position had he taken the Yankees offer.

  106. MaineYankee August 1st, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    GB7

    That wall can’t help but mees up hitters. Balls of the wall in Fenway are fly outs in other parks. Most hitters can’t change their approach when they leave that little shoe box.

  107. SJ44 August 1st, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    mick,

    They are ALL mercenaries when it comes to contracts. They have to be because, when they can’t play anymore, they are shown the door.

    That’s just the way it is.

    As much as Mark Teixeira “loved” NY, he didn’t love it so much to take less money than he would have gotten from the Red Sox.

    Its just business and I never take that stuff personally.

    There is the game on the field and the business off it and its two entirely different animals.

  108. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Damon’s about to take another salary wack this year.

  109. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    I don’t blame them either SJ, which is why they have agents.
    Only some are lucky enough to eat their cake and have it too. To play for a team you love and get top dollar, like Jeter, is just a dream very few get to enjoy.

  110. Ed August 1st, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Wood’s interview is on the pregame, he looks mad young without his goatee. lol.

  111. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Damon has 2 year deal for $8 million each, so this year he’s not ………

  112. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Oops, scratch that…………

    Too bad, I love Wood with the goatee – he looks intimidating.

  113. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    I love these hungry guys without rings coming here to add one to their resume…

  114. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    Ed August 1st, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Wood’s interview is on the pregame, he looks mad young without his goatee. lol.

    *******************************
    My cousin looks EXACTLY like Wood-so much so that it’s spooky. LOL

  115. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Girardi says he wanted to avoid playing ARod three straight days on the turf.

  116. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Actually, no, Betsy. his contract is up at the end of the year.

    http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....rs_21.html

  117. MaineYankee August 1st, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    SJ44

    Thanks.

    Sounds reasonable.

  118. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    GB, thanks – I knew I made a mistake as soon as I posted that.

    You’re right, he did cost himself a pretty penny………and since it’s going to be hard for the Tigers to make the post-season, a shot at post-season glory.

  119. MaineYankee August 1st, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Erin August 1st, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    Ed August 1st, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Wood’s interview is on the pregame, he looks mad young without his goatee. lol.

    *******************************
    My cousin looks EXACTLY like Wood-so much so that it?s spooky. LOL

    —————————————————————————————-

    So if you had a goatee would you look like him? :lol:

  120. Ed August 1st, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    Betsy,

    I got the face of his rookie year.

    http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivaul....._large.jpg

  121. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Last year we got rings for CC, AJ, Tex, Cano, Swish and Alex.
    We are like the Grateful Dead.
    Top musicians/ballplayers want to get their chance to play with the best.
    If they don’t want to, they are losers and can go where they want.

    Actually some of the “losers” are winners if they want to beat us so badly that they go elsewhere.
    Am I making sense?

  122. Ed August 1st, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Erin,

    seriously? lol.

    http://www.checkoutmycards.com.....78/02b.jpg

  123. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    MaineYankee August 1st, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    So if you had a goatee would you look like him?

    ******************************

    Maine, you’re SO funny. ;)

    I’ve never been told that I’m the female version of Kerry Wood, so probably not. LOL

  124. Ed August 1st, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Betsy..

    let me rephase that comment : He got the face of his rookie year.

  125. MaineYankee August 1st, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    Damon is a mercenary looking for the best dollar.

    ————————————————–

    Don’t blame the players for trying to get the most they can.

    When the owners can control what they pay they certainly do.

  126. Apple byte August 1st, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2010 at 12:40 pm
    Damon’s about to take another salary wack this year.
    ……………….

    As expected, Scott Boras will paint him as having lots of upside left and will start at a 3-year deal.

  127. MaineYankee August 1st, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Erin

    Thats good. I was forming a pitcure in my mind of what you looked like. :lol:

  128. blake August 1st, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    SJ,

    Great post earlier on how Cash is running the Yankees. It does seem kinda like a small market mindset…just on a bigger scale. It should scare the rest of the league because now their farm system is producing boatloads of talent. Combine that with their abilities to fill holes via free agency and you could have a multi-year juggernaut.

  129. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Don’t blame the players for trying to get the most they can.
    =====================================
    Maine
    No blame here.

  130. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Ed August 1st, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Erin,

    seriously? lol.

    *****************************
    I kid you now,he really does. He lives in Wisconsin, but is a big Cubs fan, so it was always pretty amusing when Wood was with the Cubs. LOL

  131. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    Ed, what a great cover…………..I remember early in his career Wood had this cute lil peach fuzz thing going on and now he’s completely clean-shaven; it’s a very different look and will take some getting used to.

  132. SJ44 August 1st, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    CC Sabathia is a big reason for all of these guys wanting to come to NY.

    The Yankee clubhouse in the last few years of Torre and the first year of Girardi was not a happy place.

    CC heard the whispers and he confronted Cashman about it when he was being recruited.

    Instead of spinning it, Cashman acknowledged the issues and told CC he was trying to change the culture of the clubhouse and that CC could be front and center in that change.

    I give Cash credit. He could have just sucked up to the guy he desperately wanted and needed. Instead, he challenged him to take on NYC.

    I think CC liked that and they formed a bond that eventually led to his signing.

    You then add AJ, Swish and others to the mix, and the entire clubhouse has changed.

    Now guys around the game want to play for the Yankees again. It wasn’t like that for a long time.

    Its a big reason why, IMO, Cliff Lee will be here in the off-season. Yes, he will get paid. He will get paid no matter where he goes.

    He won’t find a better clubhouse though to hang his hat and he knows it.

    That’s why I believe he will sign with the Yankees.

  133. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    edit-*not* not now. Sorry!

  134. MaineYankee August 1st, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    SJ44

    It sounds like Cash made it a point to Joe to change the clubhouse as well.

  135. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    I give credit to CC for being honest and for Cash as well……He made it clear to CC that they needed him, not just for what he could bring on the field, but off it as well. Who doesn’t like to hear that they are valued as a person? Believe it or not players are human, too…………

    I assume Lee has kids – he can bring his kids into the clubhouse, unlike the way it was under Torre, and that has to mean something. It’s a very family friendly place – considering these guys don’t see their families for 1/2 the year, I don’t think it’s a small deal either.

    What’s there for Lee not to like? He’s got friends already on the team, he’s got an owner who will do what it takes to win and he’s a lefty in YS…..man, he’d be ridiculous .

  136. mick August 1st, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    Now guys around the game want to play for the Yankees again.
    =======================================
    SJ
    And being so, we only have to pick up 1 or 2 here and there.
    We can pick and choose.
    And be assured these guys want to play here.
    Sounds like the stuff dynasties are made of.

  137. Betsy August 1st, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Cash knew CC and Tex would be good clubhouse guys – and probably Swish as well since that was his rep, but I think AJ was a mystery. I don’t think he knew what to expect – actually, he’s said this outright – and fortunately AJ has been a great teammate. What he thinks about his performance, I’ve no idea, but in terms of contributing to the clubhouse, he’s been a good guy.

  138. mick August 1st, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    The difference between Torre and Girardi is that one was reactive, the other proactive.
    You could see it in Torres face in the dugout.
    It was a great move and we should be glad they didn’t fall for the Mattingly mystique as he seems like a Torre protege.

  139. mick August 1st, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    TB lineup is dreadful
    Aybar 4th Rodriquez 5th Bartlett 6th
    No Pena
    Kapler

    How is this team as good as us?

  140. 86w183 August 1st, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    So Damon signs a one-year $ 5 M deal to return as the DH in 2011? Not out of the question cuz NJ won’t be back, nor will Berkman. Kearns probably will be.

  141. 86w183 August 1st, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Pena and Zobrist are hurt. With them out, the lineup not so scary

  142. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Betsy,

    One big strike against Damon is that park has killed his power and RBI numbers. Everyone will know that the park plays a big part of that, but, that will be used against him in the fight for more money. Going from 25 homers to less than 10 is a pretty stark drop, as is the RBI.

  143. G. Love August 1st, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    In reference to something SJ said earlier about the portion of the Torre era where the Yankees were universally liked, I could not agree more.

    At some point the Yankees became media darlings and Father Joe was the face of the franchise. These were the days when we, as fans, would go crazy because we just felt the team wasn’t intense enough.

    Now as much I love Derek Jeter, I still do believe that he treats his opponents with far too much respect and love. All the joking and backslapping on the bases when he meets someone. He, too, has the “I’m the ambassador of the game” complex that Torre used to have.

    I’m not saying it makes Jeter less of a ballplayer. He’s a hall of famer.

    But somewhere in the early part of this decade the Yankees went from being hated to being teddy bears.

    Only in the past couple of years has this team showed some teeth. Getting knocked down from their adoring perch while the Red Sox collected 2 titles and became the new darlings of baseball, refocused this team along with Torre’s departure.

    This even goes to the bigger problem with what they are experiencing in the NBA. In the past, stars wanted to be each other, not play with one another.

    I don’t question Jeter’s motivation to winning. I think it’s always been very high.

    But I do question the portion of his personality on field that lets some of the air out of the balloon by being touchy feely with the opposition.

    You never see that kind of behavior on the field out of Mo, Andy or Jorge.

    I guess it’s not a big deal and I shouldn’t let it get to me, but I think as a fan I want to believe in the myth that the guys on my team are all business and want to crush the other team. I think I’m like George in that respect.

  144. GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    I still think the Yanks win today, but, not so sure that it’s going to be a walkover. tampa has a nasty habit of keeping it close.

  145. Erin August 1st, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    New Post w/pregame notes

    :arrow:

  146. SJ44 August 1st, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    I think the biggest differences between Torre and Girardi were age and standing in the game.

    The gap in age between Torre and the clubhouse began to show. That’s a natural evolution.

    I also think as Joe’s brand grew, he became VERY protective of it.

    So much so that, IMO, protecting his brand became more important than the day to day management of the team.

    I know Torre bristles at this comment but, its true……..the last three years he was in NY, he didn’t work as hard at the gig as he did earlier. Its not an opinion. Its a fact shared by just about everybody who was around the team in the last three years of his regime.

    That’s why they should have parted way after 2006. I think if they did, the relationship between Torre and the Yankees would be better than it is today.

    Instead, they stayed together too long, got under each others nerves for a variety of reasons and the “divorce” was less amicable.

    I hope one day they can figure out a way to patch things up enough to do what’s right for each other. Torre deserves his day and his number retired. He’s earned it.

    The Steinbrenner Family deserves Torre thanking them for making him a millionaire 100 times over, AND for giving him a job that will put him in the Hall of Fame. They earned that.

    Hopefully, that works out in time.

    Re: Girardi, I think he has done a good job changing his ways. He’s a naturally wired tight guy. However, I think he’s done a great job opening up the clubhouse to families and being a better than average communicator to his players.

    He’s never going to be Joe Torre, or Jerry Manuel for that matter, to the media. Its just not how he is wired, and there are guys in the media who dislike him for it.

    However, he can manage circles around both of those guys and that’s the job he’s hired to do by the Yankees. He’s not hired to entertain the reporters daily.

    He represents the franchise very well on and off the field. There is no gameplaying and no agendas with Girardi. What you see is what you get.

    Can’t ask for more of the guy, IMO.

  147. luis August 1st, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    GreenBeret7 August 1st, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    About a month and a half a go i was in ys3 watching batting practice, Cano launched one to the bar terrace in dead center field. I’m sure no one has done that yet

  148. Joe from Long Island August 1st, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    mick – from what I’ve read – so take it with a grain of salt – Mattingly’s being seen as a Torre-protege was a significant negative for Donnie at the time. For a whole bunch of reasons.

  149. luis August 1st, 2010 at 1:29 pm

    SJ44,

    He might get his day and his number retired, but i feel he betrayed the franchise with that book of his. remember there is an unwritten rule that what happens in the locker room stays in the locker room. He also betrayed the only person who stood by him all those years ( Cashman ),. By doing that he tarnished his legacy beyond repair.

  150. SJ44 August 1st, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Luis,

    I don’t disagree.

    The book was a bad idea on many, many levels.

    I wonder if he had it to do over again if he would make the same decision?

    Not something a smart guy like Torre should have done, IMO.


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