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Berkman drops to seventh in Yankees lineup

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 02, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’m pretty sure my good friend Marc Carig is the only regular beat writer working tonight’s game, and thanks to his overwhelming Twitter talent, here’s tonight’s lineup with Lance Berkman dropped to seventh.

Also, Jeff asked me to pass along that we’re aware there’s some sort of commenting issue when using Google Chrome. Jeff and our online team are working on it.

Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posasda C
Lance Berkman DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Brett Gardner LF

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196 Responses to “Berkman drops to seventh in Yankees lineup”

  1. YankeeRay August 2nd, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    Lineups right. Berkman/Posada can go either way

  2. talltenor August 2nd, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Only two righty batters, but I think Jeter and Rodriguez have been known to get hits… ;-)

  3. Howe Farr August 2nd, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    SJ, you have been around the game for a long time, have owned minor league team, so I was wondering what is your opinion on what ozzie said?

  4. Erin August 2nd, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Erica-Berkman is your new PBF already?? That was fast! ;)

  5. Giuseppe Franco August 2nd, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    I like Swisher in the #2 hole much better. Don’t fix what ain’t broken.

  6. Yankeefran August 2nd, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Thought Granderson might be due for a day off.

  7. Eric in FL August 2nd, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    “Jorge Posasda”

    Is he like Jorge, but with more attitude?

  8. Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Erin August 2nd, 2010 at 3:53 pm
    Erica-Berkman is your new PBF already?? That was fast!
    *************

    Not the first time I have been called “fast” :-)

    I have always liked Berkman a lot. I have a softspot for Houston. Just never really had much reason to announce it on the blog.

  9. Wave Your Hat August 2nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Looks good. The best lineup the Yanks have had in months.

  10. Giuseppe Franco August 2nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Granderson will probably get his day tomorrow with Romero on the hill.

  11. RalphieD August 2nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    i like this lineup a lot

  12. Wave Your Hat August 2nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    “Thought Granderson might be due for a day off.”

    Tomorrow.

  13. jesusmonterofordh August 2nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    i guess is ok not to break up leftys since brett can hit them

  14. mick August 2nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Joe read the blog and listened…

  15. Erin August 2nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Not the first time I have been called ?fast?

    I have always liked Berkman a lot. I have a softspot for Houston. Just never really had much reason to announce it on the blog.

    **************************
    LOL I see. The only time I paid any attention to Houston at all was when Andy was with them.

  16. Guru Man August 2nd, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Repost
    BTW, I have no skin in the game about wanting McClouth I just wanted to point out that one year where a guy still has a decent OPS (where he finishes the last 100 AB?s higher than his year total) is hard to say he has a downward trend?Of course when teh next year he goes down again it will be a 2 year trend :p

    Of course Jeter had a downward trend form an OPS of .900 in 06 to .840 and then in 08 had a .770 for 3 years at the age of 35 so 3 year trend couldn?t expect the great .871 he put up last year?

    Cano went from .890 ? .841 ? .715 in 08?was he done? Of course not, he has incredible wrists and anyone who knew anything about hitting knew he would be at least an .800 OPS guy with huge upside.

    I really don?t know McClouths game and we definitely don’t need a lefty, but let?s stop with the theatrics please.

  17. Disco August 2nd, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    I love that we get the Jays best 3 starters- good pitchers who won’t make this an easy series- while TB doesn’t even get to face the 2nd best AL pitcher this year- Liriano- in a four game series. Whata the odds?

  18. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    Erica has become the board pretend tart.

  19. Guru Man August 2nd, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    I like the lineup, but I would swap Jeter and Gardner. I also would play Gardner in CF as he will become our every day player.

  20. Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Erin August 2nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    LOL I see. The only time I paid any attention to Houston at all was when Andy was with them.
    ************

    I have a good friend in Houston who is a huge Astros fan and Yankee hater. I have to pay attention to Houston to respond appropriately when he Yankee bashes.

    But two seasons ago when Berkman was a possibility for the NL batting title, I was rooting for him all the way

  21. Guru Man August 2nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    BTW, I would only swap Jeter and Gardner against a righty. This is really a great lineup against a righty. Berkman and Granderson batting 7th and 8th each being mid to high .850 OPS guys against righties (or better)

  22. Wave Your Hat August 2nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    “I like the lineup, but I would swap Jeter and Gardner. I also would play Gardner in CF as he will become our every day player.”

    Well, tomorrow Gardner will be CF for a day (probably). Jeter you are going to have to live with.

  23. Rich in NJ August 2nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Props to Joe G. for realizing he made a mistake taking Swisher out of the 2 hole.

  24. Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm
    Erica has become the board pretend tart.
    **********

    LOL.. Two pretend boyfriends in two years?? Come on!

    I followed the proper mourning period after Johnny left, didn’t I?

  25. mick August 2nd, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    # mick August 2nd, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Berkman DH
    Posada C
    Granderson CF
    Gardner LF
    ==============
    I would switch Berk and Jorge, don’t wanna hurt Jorges feelings, he already looked ticked off on Sat. what with Berk taking his DH spot.
    ===============================
    Here is the post Girardi read to change his mind. Next stop is to break up the lefties at the bottom with Berkman.

  26. Cashman needs to go August 2nd, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Guru Man August 2nd, 2010 at 3:59 pm
    Repost
    BTW, I have no skin in the game about wanting McClouth I just wanted to point out that one year where a guy still has a decent OPS (where he finishes the last 100 AB?s higher than his year total) is hard to say he has a downward trend?Of course when teh next year he goes down again it will be a 2 year trend :p

    Of course Jeter had a downward trend form an OPS of .900 in 06 to .840 and then in 08 had a .770 for 3 years at the age of 35 so 3 year trend couldn?t expect the great .871 he put up last year?

    Cano went from .890 ? .841 ? .715 in 08?was he done? Of course not, he has incredible wrists and anyone who knew anything about hitting knew he would be at least an .800 OPS guy with huge upside.

    I really don?t know McClouths game and we definitely don’t need a lefty, but let?s stop with the theatrics please.

    *************************

    I would also add Vernon Wells, Alex Rios and our very own beloved David Ortiz as players that were written off due to “downward trends” and miraculously have recovered to have fine seasons once again..

  27. SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Theatrics? Are you serioiusly comparing the decline of Derek Jeter with Nate McClouth?

    Jeter is still one of the three best SS’s in the AL. McLouth can’t even take a spot on the Braves bench.

    He’s hitting .168. He has declined since 2008.

    Even when he was a good player, he wasn’t that good.

    The game is more than just looking at his OPS.

    To compare a marginal player like McLouth with Jeter and Cano is absurd.

    Guys who even in their “off” years, top McLouth’s career years. Especially when McLouth’s career years consisted of about 2 1/2 years.

    There are no “theatrics” of looking at a guy who has completely fallen off the map and realizing that if the Braves, a very estute organization, don’t see him as being able to help them this year (which is why they got Ankiel), what makes yoiu think McLouth is fixable right now?

  28. Guru Man August 2nd, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    If we want to put our best foot forward Jeter should be dropped against a RH. Out of respect for him, he should stay there against LH

  29. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Old friends Jeff Karstens and Ross Ohlendorf lead the Pirates pitching rotation. They have combined to start 30 games while their WHIP’s and ERA’s are lower than Maholm’s and Duke’s.

    2/5 of their rotation, the top of it no less, is made up of 2 guys who couldn’t stick in AL East even at the bottom of the Yankee’s rotation.

    The Pirates would be crazy not to deal for NYY minor league starting pitchers in the future.

    The Yankees could very easily bolster the catching position even further this summer by trading for Ryan Doumit.

  30. SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Nate McClouth at his best, was never as good as either Vernon Wells or David Ortiz. Not even close.

    If guys with more skill decline, they can still be productive players.

    When guys with more limited skills decline, they don’t have enough game to be productive.

    McLouth was always an overrated player.

    Now? He’s just a bad player.

  31. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm
    GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm
    Erica has become the board pretend tart.
    **********

    LOL.. Two pretend boyfriends in two years?? Come on!

    I followed the proper mourning period after Johnny left, didn’t I?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    His body was still warm in Tiger stripes and you started looking.

    I didn’t think that I should call you a pretend strumpet, because I doubt that have of the people would know what that was.

  32. Bronx Jeers August 2nd, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    PBF Berkman?

    This is a major announcement.

  33. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    because I doubt that ***half*** of the people would

  34. Ninja Burglar August 2nd, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    “Props to Joe G. for realizing he made a mistake taking Swisher out of the 2 hole.”

    It’s not really that at all. When Posada is catching and all the main starters are playing, this will probably be the lineup. When Posada is out or the lineup is short, Girardi likes to have Swisher him bat behind Cano to give the lineup more lenghth. He’s used Granderson and Gardner at 2 when doing this in the past.

    Nothing has really changed there, and when guys are getting breaks we’ll probably see Berkman bat 2nd again.

  35. Wave Your Hat August 2nd, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    “I didn’t think that I should call you a pretend strumpet, because I doubt that have of the people would know what that was.”

    The haves know what it means, you have to worry about the have-nots.

  36. upstate kate August 2nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    oh I like this line up

    Erica
    I am happy to hear you have a new PBF, altho Biggio was my favorite of the killer Bs

  37. Rich in NJ August 2nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Who knows whether or not Jeter is declining?

    It doesn’t really matter.

    But no one should be sacrosanct, so it’s in the team best interests to move him down in the order until he starts getting on base at a higher rate.

  38. Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    His body was still warm in Tiger stripes and you started looking.

    I didn?t think that I should call you a pretend strumpet, because I doubt that have of the people would know what that was.
    ***********

    Flashback of reading Hamlet in AP English class in high school and Mr B. screaming “You tempestuous strumpet!!!”

  39. Guru Man August 2nd, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    SJ, you need to go back and read the flow of posts because you are way off mark. I am not comparing Jeter’s decline to McClouths, I am showing you that what you said was absurd because you threw out scouts knew McClouth was going to decline a few years ago because of his downward trend (of what one year where he finished better than the rest of the year?) Like I said, I don’t want McClouth on this team and he may never play again for all I know, but don’t give me trend analysis after one .770 OPS year. Sure if you look at him know it is pretty clear he has been AWFUL, but that is not what you said in any way. You said they saw the downward trend during last year…

  40. Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Bronx Jeers August 2nd, 2010 at 4:07 pm
    PBF Berkman?

    This is a major announcement.
    ************

    Actually, since Berkman is a free agent at the end of the season and it is already August….

    We are having a pretend fling.

    I cannot put myself through a full pretend relationship again. The end was too gutwrenching.

    He will be known as MPF Lance Berkman

  41. Andrew August 2nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Ryan Doumit is a 1B/OF masquerading as a catcher. He also has awful platoon splits. If the Yankees want to bolster the catching position they would be better off calling up Montero rather than acquiring Doumit.

  42. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    I meant, trade for Doumit this winter.

    oops.

  43. Tom in N.J. August 2nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Erica, I understand that pretend love is unpredictable, but I feel you may be setting yourself up for pretend heart-break. Lance is a free agent this offseason, are you willing to let your pretend heart be broken again?

  44. backstreets August 2nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Why not bat Gardner 2nd? I can see why you’d bat Jeter 1st rather than Gardner because of Jeter’s GIDP propensity. By batting Gardner 2nd and Swisher after Cano or Posada, you do a better job of breaking up the lefties at the bottom of the lineup (and I’m consider Berkman a lefty even though he’s a switch-hitter because he hits lefties so terribly). Having Swisher hit 6th or 7th also gives him a lot of RBI chances, which I like to see.

  45. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Flashback of reading Hamlet in AP English class in high school and Mr B. screaming “You tempestuous strumpet!!!”

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    The world lacks imagination. Nobody shouts great insults like that any more.

  46. SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    Howie,

    Ozzie kind of went off the deep end. He did make some valid points.

    Fact is, the latin kids are often treated like cattle in some organizations. Not in all of them though.

    The interpretor point? I know that’s been a sticking point with the latin players since the influx of Japanese players in the game.

    I think where a lot of the latin players are coming from is, they know guys like Ichiro and Matsui speak perfect English. Yet, they insist on having a translator for their American interviews.

    The latin players don’t have that option and I think that can be unfair. Particularly since sometimes, the language barrier could lead to being misquoted.

    As is always the case with Ozzie, he makes some good points. However, when he infers there is some coordinated campaign against latin players, that’s when he goes off the rails on this one.

  47. Wave Your Hat August 2nd, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    The Yanks should make a waiver trade for a reserve infielder, not a reserve outfielder. Too many inches devoted to McClouth already.

  48. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    If Posada is the full-time DH in 2011, Doumit would be an upgrade over Cervelli.

    Montero should probably spend all of 2011 in AAA.

  49. Wave Your Hat August 2nd, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    “Montero should probably spend all of 2011 in AAA.”

    What a waste.

  50. Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Tom in N.J. August 2nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
    Erica, I understand that pretend love is unpredictable, but I feel you may be setting yourself up for pretend heart-break. Lance is a free agent this offseason, are you willing to let your pretend heart be broken again?
    ********

    No. See my 4:11 post

  51. Jerkface August 2nd, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Montero should probably spend all of 2011 in AAA.

    Why? So you can try to trade him for Soria?

  52. Cashman needs to go August 2nd, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    I’m not comparing any of those players with mcclouth. I haven’t seen enough of mclouth to even have an opinion on what he can’t and cannot do – all I’m pointing out is players have a down year or two – maybe mcclouth is hurt, maybe he’s got some personal issues or psycological issues. Can someone go from a near all star to a nobody in 2 years, i don’t think so. Ortiz was written off as dead, as was vernon wells. Vernon Wells is now healthy again and has gotten back to what he was (almost) when he signed the absurd contract 3 or 4 years ago. mcclouth hit 26 hr’s 2 years ago and had 20 last year while posting a 800+ ops the last 3 years. All i’m saying is just like everyone says to have patience with granderson and ortiz and wells – maybe we should have patience with mcclouth as well. i’m not saying the yankees should sign him – they have their hands full with granderson and trying to keep arod and jeter young – but give mclouth a chance to recover from whatever is wrong with him (and obviously something is wrong) before writing him off as done at 29 years old.

  53. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    As I understand it, Montero’s not the catcher of the future, which is why the Yankees were willing to trade him.

    He should hone his catching skills in AAA in 2011.

  54. Howe Farr August 2nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    thanks sj, that is what i suspected but wasn’t sure.

    It is sad how some latin players are typecasted as “not caring” when in fact it might be cultural.

    I remember how the press made fun at Domingo Jean because he was late to a game when I’m sure it came down to a language barrier.

    Hopefully things improve for latin players

  55. Andrew August 2nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Where has there been any concrete evidence that Posada will be the full-time DH in 2011? Posada is going to catch for the Yankees in 2011, he’s under contract and it’s in the team’s interest to have him behind the plate. Won’t be a gigantic workload but he will catch.

    Also why should Montero be in AAA for all of 2011? His bat is major league ready, and he can only do so many catching drills in Scranton. Having his bat in the lineup in 2011 at either C or DH will move the Yankees towards continuing to have a huge advantage over most teams in the league at C. Because they wanted to trade him for Cliff Lee, does not mean the organization has lost all hope in him as a player. Believe what you want as you wipe your tears against your Joakim Soria Fathead.

  56. SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Ryan Doumit has had two concussions this year.

    The reason the Pirates traded for Snyder is, they don’t think Doumit can catch anymore because of the concussions.

    Bummer for my nephew because, had he not been hurt, there is a chance he would be in AAA right now.

    Not a good year in the Pirates system for prospect injuries. Five of their Top 8 prospects have suffered injuries this year, half of them season ending.

  57. SoS August 2nd, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Im I the only one who everytime I read Doumit I think of Dumass?

    Do you guys remember the commercial where the guy says something like ” Iv always wanted to work for dumb-ass inc and the boss says its pronounced dooomass”.

  58. tampayank August 2nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Berkman hates the Trop:

    “Before this weekend, Berkman had played at Tropicana Field only once, in 2008, but that was enough to convince him that he does not enjoy playing here.

    “I don’t like this field,” Berkman said. “I don’t think it’s a very good surface for baseball. That having been said, I didn’t get any bad hops. It was just not the most comfortable first base.” ”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08.....ref=sports

  59. SoS August 2nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    SJ,
    What injury did Tony suffer? How long will he be out for?

  60. SoS August 2nd, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Berkmans swing looked as long as when Conseco wore the pinstripes.

  61. Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    tampayank August 2nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    Berkman hates the Trop:
    ***********

    Does anyone actually like the Trop???

    The only Tropicanas I know of anyone liking are the juice and the casino

  62. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Andrew August 2nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Believe what you want as you wipe your tears against your Joakim Soria Fathead.

    **********

    I’m talking baseball.

    You’re being obnoxious.

    See the difference?

  63. Cashman needs to go August 2nd, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    tampayank August 2nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    Berkman hates the Trop:

    “Before this weekend, Berkman had played at Tropicana Field only once, in 2008, but that was enough to convince him that he does not enjoy playing here.

    “I don’t like this field,” Berkman said. “I don’t think it’s a very good surface for baseball. That having been said, I didn’t get any bad hops. It was just not the most comfortable first base.”

    ****************************************

    I guess girardi must have passed over that page in that notebook that he’s staring at every other minute..:-)

  64. jesusmonterofordh August 2nd, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    problem with ozzie, those domician go straight to the miinors and the japan guys to the major.

    now i have no idea if japan minors leagues get those things, just as assumption

  65. SoS August 2nd, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Can we see Posada more as a bench/part time catchers role next year ala Girardi when he handed the job to Posada?

  66. mick August 2nd, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    what is going on with Posada’s cyst?

  67. Andrew August 2nd, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    You posted for a month about the same player even when there was literally no link to him being a legitimate trade target for the Yankees. And now that your fantasy has been squashed you continue to make dismissive comments about the guy you wanted to trade for your mancrush. The distance between all that and obnoxious is actually no distance at all.

  68. Warning Track Power August 2nd, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    i could have never guess this line-up. glad i did not play, j/k

    i love the addition of Berkman. give the guy a week or so to get his emotions settled and then we can watch him help the Yankees win some games w/his bat.

  69. Jerkface August 2nd, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Agree with Andrew. Bret has it out for Jesus montero. Its obvious.

  70. Yogi Mantle August 2nd, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    # SoS August 2nd, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Berkmans swing looked as long as when Conseco wore the pinstripes.
    ____________

    Could be that Berkman was trying to do too much in order show his place on this team. I think him batting lower in the order is a better move, let him get in some ABs and have a chance to settle in a bit, that will probably tell more about how he will swing the bat.

  71. CountryClub August 2nd, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    For the prospect followers:

    Someone just asked Goldstein about Corban Joseph. Here’s his reply: Never going to blow you away on a tools level, but can REALLY hit.

  72. Guru Man August 2nd, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Exactly Cashman…regarding McClouth.

    Going into this year Wells and McClouth had lifetime OPS’ within 20 points. I am with you as I don’t want McClouth and for all I know he may be done as he was as awful as possible this year, but nobody drops off like that without a very good reason….244 OPS points at the age of 28?

  73. YankeeBlue222 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I don’t want to have to choose between my two pretend boyfriends
    Can I have Damon and Berkman???????????????
    **********************
    No offense Erica, but the fact that you have “pretend boyfriends” might suggest it’s time to give the blog a rest and find yourself a man! ;)

  74. YankeeRay August 2nd, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Tomorrows line up
    Jeter
    Swish
    Tex
    Arod
    Cano
    Posada
    Berkman
    Kearns
    Gardner

    Nice line up with only 2 lefties against JCR. If we really wanted to go heavy RH we could play Kearns in CF and Thames in LF but we would really sacrifice the defense. Might be something Buck would have done against Randy Johnson in 95.

  75. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Andrew August 2nd, 2010 at 4:27 pm
    You posted for a month about the same player even when there was literally no link to him being a legitimate trade target for the Yankees. And now that your fantasy has been squashed you continue to make dismissive comments about the guy you wanted to trade for your mancrush. The distance between all that and obnoxious is actually no distance at all.

    **********

    When you personally insult another board member, that can mean no other than but you are being obnoxious.

    If that’s the way you want to discuss baseball with me, using personal insults, I won’t tolerate it.

    This is the end of conversation between us because you feel at liberty to launch insults from behind your computer screen.

    Enjoy talking baseball with the others, try to make your point without attaching an unnecessary personal insult.

  76. Andrew August 2nd, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    I think it’s possible Thames is DH tomorrow while Kearns is in LF and Gardner is in CF. Joe loves Thames’ bat against lefties, and I think they said when acquired that Berkman wouldn’t necessarily play every single day as DH (leaving the door open for him sitting against LHP since they have Thames still).

  77. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Jerkface August 2nd, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Bret has it out for Jesus montero. Its obvious.

    *****************

    Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

    :lol:

  78. pat August 2nd, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Give Berkman a chance to catch his breathe before you’re ready to DFA him.

    He admitted to Andy that he was riding an emotional roller coaster all weekend and said he hadn’t played in such an energy charged game in 3 years.

  79. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Looks like somebody has his panties bunched up.

  80. CountryClub August 2nd, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    People have to take into account berkman isn’t used to DHing either. The guy had a good June and a very good July. Just give him a week or two to get his feet wet in the AL.

  81. SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    A full year of Montero in AAA next year would be a waste.

    At worst, he can DH and catch 20 games.

    To have the kid spend the entire year in AAA to take on the salary of Ryan Doumit, or anyone one else of that elk, doesn’t help the Yankees.

    SOS,

    Tony fractured his jaw in two places after he was hit by a pitch.

    He’s out for the season.

    The wires were removed from his jaw two weeks ago and he is just beginning to get back to baseball activities.

    He will be 100% for next season.

  82. Andrew August 2nd, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Sorry to have so thoroughly devastated you Bret, if it’s any consolation I think I can hear the world’s smallest violins playing a song for you. Enjoy finding new guys to trade Montero away for.

  83. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Andrew August 2nd, 2010 at 4:39 pm
    Sorry to have so thoroughly devastated you Bret, if it’s any consolation I think I can hear the world’s smallest violins playing a song for you. Enjoy finding new guys to trade Montero away for.

    ************

    Again, more baseball talk, less insults.

    Enjoy your time here.

  84. Guru Man August 2nd, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Andrew, I think Thames should start against every lefty. I would prefer it at DH, but Berkman gets a shot against a lefty I would start him in LF (and hope nothing gets hit to him). We have been spoiled with Gardner getting to so many balls others can’t

  85. SoS August 2nd, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Nobody wants to DFA Berkman. Just want him to choke up on the bat a bit. Cant wait till the butterflies pass already. Oh and 600 is in Alex’s rear view mirror.

  86. CountryClub August 2nd, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    If Montero doesn’t get traded in the winter, he’ll get the call up next yr. It’s possible he might start the yr in AAA, but he wouldn’t be there long.

  87. MarkLincoln6 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Love that Swish is back in the 2 slot- he has earned that spot in the lineup.

  88. Erin August 2nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Girardi moved Berkman down hoping to take some pressure off him.

  89. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:38 pm
    A full year of Montero in AAA next year would be a waste.

    At worst, he can DH and catch 20 games.

    ********

    I swore you said Montero’s not ready to be a big league catcher and that the organization doesn’t trust his receiving skills behind the plate.

    Your exact word’s were that Montero’s “not the catcher of the future”.

  90. Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    YankeeBlue222 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I don’t want to have to choose between my two pretend boyfriends
    Can I have Damon and Berkman???????????????
    **********************
    No offense Erica, but the fact that you have ?pretend boyfriends? might suggest it?s time to give the blog a rest and find yourself a man!
    *****************

    I find the pretend ones much easier to deal with on a daily basis.

  91. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Those violins you hear are distant sirens. He can’t hear you because he’s busy chasing them.

  92. pat August 2nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    “Just want him to choke up on the bat a bit. Cant wait till the butterflies pass already. Oh and 600 is in Alex?s rear view mirror.”

    Sorry, but the limit is one request a day. :wink:

  93. Andrew August 2nd, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    I hope that Kearns acquisition meant the last of Thames in the outfield. I agree about the fact that they need to get Berkman acclimated as best they can which means giving him ABs and letting him produce. But considering the situation (he’s brand new, the team is in a tight race, and he has drastic splits this year especially) I can see them trying to limit his at-bats from the right side, at least at first, in order to continue to get Thames in there as DH vs. LHP.

  94. tampayank August 2nd, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    “# Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    tampayank August 2nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    Berkman hates the Trop:
    ***********

    Does anyone actually like the Trop???

    The only Tropicanas I know of anyone liking are the juice and the casino

    Only people that have never been to a real ballpark. The only thing I like about the place is the A/C

  95. SoS August 2nd, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    SJ,
    Damn!! Sorry to hear about that. Is he going to wear a protective helmet with a piece accross his face next year? I could be wrong but I think the catcher for the A’s in the championship year with Conseco and Mcquire. Im sure it will only motivate him for next year.

  96. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm
    Those violins you hear are distant sirens. He can’t hear you because he’s busy chasing them.

    *************

    Not really sure what you’re getting at here.

  97. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    I find the pretend ones much easier to deal with on a daily basis.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I wish there was a way to get rid of pretend Yankee fans that easily.

  98. SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    He doesn’t have to be the catcher of the future bret to remain with the team.

    Francisco Cervelli isn’t the catcher of the future and he plays.

    If Montero is still with the Yankees going into next ST, they aren’t going to waste his bat in AAA for a full season.

    It can be too helpful to them.

  99. Patrick from CT August 2nd, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    I like the lineup tonight. Berkman batting 7th until he gets hot makes sence.

    Posada may not like not being the DH when he’s not catching but Joe G has said in the past that DH’n your 2nd catcher is risky.
    Let’s just hope Georgie can stay healthy enough to catch 3 out of 5 and be ready for the play-offs.

  100. theREALkevin August 2nd, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    i don’t think Thames will be devastated about not playing the OF. he’s more of a hitter and he knows it. i don’t see how people could really complain about his efforts this year at the plate, though.

    .287/.391/.426, slugging is down a little i guess but he only has 94 at bats. he’s been solid and for less than a million bucks for a guy mostly coming off the bench that is worthy enough. i trust him against lefties.

  101. Nick in SF August 2nd, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Cano wasn’t the 2nd baseman of the future when he was trade-bait in 2005(ish), yet the future is now for him.

    Even if some/most aren’t sure or don’t think Montero can stick at catcher he still might do it or at least be adequate as he hones his master bat skills and makes Jack Z weep daily.

  102. YankeeRay August 2nd, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Andrew August 2nd, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    I think it?s possible Thames is DH tomorrow while Kearns is in LF and Gardner is in CF. Joe loves Thames? bat against lefties, and I think they said when acquired that Berkman wouldn?t necessarily play every single day as DH (leaving the door open for him sitting against LHP since they have Thames still).

    —-

    Thats the right call Andrew. As Guru Man said Thames should DH against Lefties but Berk has that spot the majority of the time. Thames will get his spots with so many games coming up but if he doesn’t get a lot of at bats then where does he fit especially playoff time. That is when I would almost rather have Curtis and use him for defense and pinch running occasionally.
    So much flexibility.

  103. Patrick from CT August 2nd, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    We’ll see both Kearns and Thames in the lineup tomorrow against the lefty. Granderson and Berkman will be on the bench against lefties moving forward…

  104. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    If the Yankees and Dodgers can win WS titles with big bats that are less than everyday Gold Glove catchers, I’m sure they can survive with Montero. In case it has gone unnoticed by some, Romine isn’t exactly the most polished catcher in the minors.

  105. Erin August 2nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Erica- “I Don’t Want to Live on the Moon” on the ipod :)

  106. jpb173 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    The Yankees could very easily bolster the catching position even further this summer by trading for Ryan Doumit.

    —————————————————————————————————-

    Isn’t Ryan Doumit more of a 1B/OF and a projectyed DH in the American League than he is a catcher? I know that he catches sometimes for the Pirates but I question whether we want him working with our pitchers.

  107. LGY August 2nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    I think Kevin Long may want to see Berkman live in action against LHP.

    I don’t think we should pencil the DH spot as a strict platoon yet.

  108. SoS August 2nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    I dont get it. Posada wasnt the next coming of Pudge when he was called up. Montero is just as big as Mauer and hes not doing too bad. But we have already written him off. Does he have two left feet or something? Why cant he be the next Posada? Known more for his hitting and work at his cat like reflexes behind the plate on the job?

  109. blake August 2nd, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    I love Swish in the 2 hole and Berkman gives you a pro AB at the back of the lineup. I like this lineup.

  110. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    jpb173 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Isn’t Ryan Doumit more of a 1B/OF and a projectyed DH in the American League than he is a catcher? I know that he catches sometimes for the Pirates but I question whether we want him working with our pitchers.

    *******

    Even as strictly a bench guy/emergency catcher, I’d take him, given Posada’s age, injury, Cervelli’s bat and Montero’s raw receiving skills.

  111. Jerkface August 2nd, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    If Montero can play 75 games at DH, 50 games at catcher, and 20 games at 1B, he will be an asset.

  112. YankeeRay August 2nd, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    Patrick from CT August 2nd, 2010 at 4:51 pm
    We?ll see both Kearns and Thames in the lineup tomorrow against the lefty. Granderson and Berkman will be on the bench against lefties moving forward?

    —–
    I don’t believe that Patrick. I think Joe wants to see Berk hit against LHP on a larger sample size before he settles in. If he is half way good then Thames would be a better PH off the bench and keep Berks head in the game.
    Time will tell.

  113. Jerkface August 2nd, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Cervelli’s defense prowess isn’t getting any actual real life return for the yankees, so I doubt they continue to move forward with him.

    Give me Montero’s bat and lousy defense over Cervellis weak bat and supposed plus defense that hasn’t manifested itself.

  114. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    Doumit’s salary jumps to 5 M in 2011.

    The Pirates will definitely take him for a middling prospect and might even eat some of the contract.

    Like I said, at the very least, he’s a versatile bench guy who can play RF, 1b and catch even if only in emergency situations.

    Ryan Doumit c
    3 years/$11.5M (2009-11), plus 2012-13 club option
    3 years/$11.5M (2009-11), plus 2012-13 club option
    signed extension with Pittsburgh 12/22/08
    $0.3M signing bonus
    09:$2.05M, 10:$3.55M, 11:$5.1M, 12:$7.25M club option, 13:$8.25M club option ($0.5M buyout)

  115. theREALkevin August 2nd, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    i want Berkman to do well. i’ve lived in Houston for, well, too long now, but i’ve always pulled for Berkman. i played with Charlie Hayes’ son, and when he was on the Astros he got some of the other players to come to a fundraiser we had. Berkman was there and that whole thing got me following the Astros a little more.

    that being said, i don’t necessarily think he’s earned anything with the Yankees. he’s 34 now, possibly in decline, and although he’s put up some very impressive career numbers he’s had a very off season. and the Yankees aren’t paying him much at all. i’m fine with him getting his ABs, hopefully against righties only for a while, but he didn’t earn that 2nd spot in the lineup and i think he should have to earn his ABs. i still have faith in him and it was a no risk trade, so i’m still hoping he does well and the Yanks still have a ton of bats in the lineup even if it doesn’t.

  116. SoS August 2nd, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Give me Montero’s bat and lousy defense over Cervellis weak bat and supposed plus defense that hasn’t manifested itself.

    ========

    Co-signed and word. Can we pencil him in for a handful of games in left as well? As I see Granderson being a trade chip next year.

  117. Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Erin August 2nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm
    Erica- ?I Don?t Want to Live on the Moon? on the ipod

    *************

    Though I’d like to look down at the earth from above
    I would miss all the places and people I love
    (sniff sniff)

  118. YankeeRay August 2nd, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    Jerkface August 2nd, 2010 at 4:58 pm
    Cervelli?s defense prowess isn?t getting any actual real life return for the yankees, so I doubt they continue to move forward with him.

    Give me Montero?s bat and lousy defense over Cervellis weak bat and supposed plus defense that hasn?t manifested itself.

    —-
    I agree. I think they package cervelli and either Gardner or Granderson in the off season and sign Crawford.

  119. Tom in N.J. August 2nd, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    If Montero’s bat is as good as advertised, play him at C for 50 or so games and DH him for the rest.

  120. tom tresh 15 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Anyone with an answer——

    What happened to Salty? He used to be a prized prospect, now in Boston in AAA? Some kind of injury? Anyone know?

  121. G. Love August 2nd, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    SOS,

    I have the same questions as you, but I’ve never seen Montero play catcher in my life so I have no clue what he’s like behind the plate.

    I will say this, I saw a lot of Mike Piazza behind the plate for the Dodgers and Mets. He was not a good catcher, but his bat made up for that fact by a large margin.

    If Montero can hit and play defense as good as Piazza, I don’t see why we wouldn’t try him behind the dish for awhile.

    That said, having never seen him, he could be worse that Piazza for all I know.

    I think part of the issue with the Yankees is we have a lot of high priced starting pitching who likes a quality receiver behind the plate. Perhaps Cashman and Girardi know that Montero’s defensive short comings will enrage the pitchers and have them demand to throw to Cervelli.

    Who knows.

  122. SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Berkman has been here for two days. Relax and see how it goes.

    He’s a better option than Juan Miranda and Colin Curtis.

    bret,

    The Yankees aren’t taking on 5 million dollars in salary for a guy who may not be able to catch anymore due to concussions when they can plug Montero in for 20 games, DH him for more, and have him for 400K.

  123. Jerkface August 2nd, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    .258 .329 .412 .741 This is doumits line, and he is a horrible horrible defensive catcher. Not worth the price.

  124. jpb173 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    jpb173 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Isn’t Ryan Doumit more of a 1B/OF and a projectyed DH in the American League than he is a catcher? I know that he catches sometimes for the Pirates but I question whether we want him working with our pitchers.

    *******

    Even as strictly a bench guy/emergency catcher, I’d take him, given Posada’s age, injury, Cervelli’s bat and Montero’s raw receiving skills.

    =======================================================

    Bret if the Yankees want to go that route (a catcher as a part time player and a 1B/DH) why not go all the way and sign Victor Martinez as a free agent this winter. It would have the dual affect of helping our lineup and hurting Boston’s…and Victor Martinez is a better hitter.

  125. I Like Inge August 2nd, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Man some of you think of up so many trades. Do you guys like anyone on this team. Jesus Christ. Granderson trade chip, Cervelli sucks, Berkman can’t hit because of 8 at-bats, A-Rod has no power anymore, Posada can’t catch, Jeter has low OPS…

    If I would read this blog only I’d think the Yankees are the Pirates.

  126. Jerkface August 2nd, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    Doumit is probably a worse catcher than Jesus Montero *right now*. They don’t call him Ryan No-Mit for nothing.

  127. LGY August 2nd, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    “but he didn’t earn that 2nd spot in the lineup”

    ——————————-

    Why are managerial decisions constantly projected onto players?

    Maybe Girardi put him there, because he thought it was best for the team.

    The same way Posada catches, because Girardi thinks it is best for the team and nothing to do with his ego.

  128. Giuseppe Franco August 2nd, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    # YankeeRay August 2nd, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    —-
    I agree. I think they package cervelli and either Gardner or Granderson in the off season and sign Crawford.

    —–

    And why would they do that?

    I don’t think Crawford is on the radar any longer and that’s because of Gardner. As of this writing, Granderson hasn’t been what they thought he would be but that doesn’t mean they are going to send him packing because they’ve given up on him.

    I see Crawford wearing Angels’ red in the offseason.

  129. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    YankeeRay August 2nd, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    I agree. I think they package cervelli and either Gardner or Granderson in the off season and sign Crawford.

    ************

    Cervelli and Gardner for who?

    SJ,

    I agree that the Yankees aren’t taking on 5 million dollars for a bench player/emergency catcher.

    No team would.

    That’s why I said the Pirates would be willing to eat some of his contract.

  130. Jerkface August 2nd, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Cervelli sucks

    This one is true though? Cervo is one of my favorite PEOPLE on the team, but after his hot start he just hasn’t been much for the yankees. Hasn’t thrown out runners, hasn’t blocked pitches that well (AJ is hard for anyone to block), and hasn’t hit since May.

    He is an awesome dude, and when he catches a masterpiece (like CC’s CG vs Bal) its AWESOME to behold because of his energy, but dude sucks at hitting.

    He had patience in the minors, and hit for an empty average, but so far hasnt been able to do that in the majors outside of 1 month.

  131. mikey487 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Sanity prevails. Nick back in the 2 spot.

    Nice lineup

    Go Yankees

  132. Jerkface August 2nd, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    The yankees are not trading for Doumit, they probably could have traded for Snyder and had the Dbacks eat some of the salary.

    Synder would have been an excellent choice going forward.

  133. SoS August 2nd, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    G.LOVE,
    You cant play defense worse than Piazza even if you had blindfolds on, your arms tied behind your back and had to kick the ball to second.
    I could have swore I read this offseason that Montero’s skills behind the plate were improving substantially. If Pillsbury Cabrera can play third/first and whatever other positions they want him to play in Detroit just to get his bat in the lineup. Im sure we will be just fine with what some say is the next coming of Miguel behind the plate. Its not like we’ve been throwing runners out anyways.

  134. mikey487 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Besides the obvious signing of Cliff Lee, I also see a play being made for Crawford.

    He’s young, has speed and is a pretty good fielder. If the deal is there, you take it, notwithstanding the loss of Gardner.

  135. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    jpb173 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:05 pm
    jpb173 August 2nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Isn’t Ryan Doumit more of a 1B/OF and a projectyed DH in the American League than he is a catcher? I know that he catches sometimes for the Pirates but I question whether we want him working with our pitchers.

    *******

    Even as strictly a bench guy/emergency catcher, I’d take him, given Posada’s age, injury, Cervelli’s bat and Montero’s raw receiving skills.

    =======================================================

    Bret if the Yankees want to go that route (a catcher as a part time player and a 1B/DH) why not go all the way and sign Victor Martinez as a free agent this winter. It would have the dual affect of helping our lineup and hurting Boston’s…and Victor Martinez is a better hitter.

    **********

    In short, cost.

    The Yankees could probably get the Pirates to pay a good chunk of Doumit’s 5 million.

    VMart is going to cost a heckuva lot more.

    Not sure VMart fits the budget.

  136. theREALkevin August 2nd, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    lg fair enough, but that doesn’t make what i said untrue. Swisher has been generally excellent batting second for the Yankees this season and it made little sense to move him and place Berkman there. Lance is having a subpar season and second in the order isn’t even a place he’s ever batted in reguarly. it was only two games and it’s not that big of a deal, it just didn’t make any sense. and yes i realize Berkman did not corner Joe and force him to put him second in the order.

  137. Erica in NY August 2nd, 2010 at 5:12 pm

    Leavign work. Got lots to do before I get home tonight-

    So I’ll catch you all some point during the game

  138. Giuseppe Franco August 2nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm

    # mikey487 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Besides the obvious signing of Cliff Lee, I also see a play being made for Crawford.

    He’s young, has speed and is a pretty good fielder. If the deal is there, you take it, notwithstanding the loss of Gardner.

    ————-

    The production Crawford would add to the lineup over Gardner wouldn’t justify the enormous increase in salary.

  139. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    mikey487 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:10 pm
    Besides the obvious signing of Cliff Lee, I also see a play being made for Crawford.

    He’s young, has speed and is a pretty good fielder. If the deal is there, you take it, notwithstanding the loss of Gardner.

    **************

    I don’t think both Lee and Crawford are in the budget but ya never know.

    Twitter rumors had Brian Cashman as a very busy guy at the deadline, fielding lots of calls. It’s possible he laid some of the preliminary ground work for winter season targets.

  140. jpb173 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Bret if the Yankees want to go that route (a catcher as a part time player and a 1B/DH) why not go all the way and sign Victor Martinez as a free agent this winter. It would have the dual affect of helping our lineup and hurting Boston’s…and Victor Martinez is a better hitter.

    **********

    In short, cost.

    The Yankees could probably get the Pirates to pay a good chunk of Doumit’s 5 million.

    VMart is going to cost a heckuva lot more.

    Not sure VMart fits the budget.

    =====================================================

    At any price, Victor Martinez is a better investment than Ryan Doumit. Doumit simply isn’t worth anything as a catcher. Doumit is living off of the one good year he had in 2008 and has been in decline ever since.

  141. MTU August 2nd, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Bret-

    THE winter season target is Cliff Lee.

    All else pales in comparision.

    N’est pas ? :)

  142. SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Carl Crawford is going to get at least 100 million this off-season.

    I don’t see the Yankees adding two 100 million dollar players to this team in the off-season.

    Cliff Lee is going to be one.

    Brett Gardner negates Crawford.

    Trade Granderson? Why?

    Nick Swisher was awful for long stretches last year and in the post-season. Look at him this year.

    What if they get Granderson back to being the player he was offensively? They do that’s its costing them a lot less than Carl Crawford, and gives them payroll and roster flexibility.

  143. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Piazza really wasn’t a bad defensive catcher. He just couldn’t throw. I’m not saying he was great or even good, but, he gets a bit of a bum rap because of his arm.

  144. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    VMart would cost draft picks and 10 million dollars.

    If he doesn’t fit the budget, you have to look for ways to insure Cervelli’s bat and Posada’s body.

    If the Pirates offered Doumit and 2.5 million dollars, would you trade say, Mitre or McAllister for him?

  145. theREALkevin August 2nd, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    i think Lee to the Yankees is a done deal come wintertime. CC has pretty much admitted Lee wants to come to New York. he was clearly hoping he’d get traded to the Yankees instead of the Rangers. i’m still surprised Seattle valued Smoak more than Montero, but we’ll see i guess.

  146. YankeeRay August 2nd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 5:07 pm
    YankeeRay August 2nd, 2010 at 5:02 pm

    I agree. I think they package cervelli and either Gardner or Granderson in the off season and sign Crawford.

    ************

    Cervelli and Gardner for who?

    SJ,

    I agree that the Yankees aren?t taking on 5 million dollars for a bench player/emergency catcher.

    No team would.

    That?s why I said the Pirates would be willing to eat some of his contract.

    —-

    It depends on their needs. Obviously Gardner and Grandersons finish will determine if they think signing Crawford makes sense. They would probably get more back in a Gardner trade due to his salary. I’m thinking more prospects or another RP. I do think that Crawford will be on their radar. Again alot depends on how Gardner finishes. Last year he was horrible in the playoffs but that was after being on the DL. This year he has been a tremendous surprise at least to me but if he is overmatched in the playoffs again then Crawford will write his ticket here.

  147. Jack Florham August 2nd, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    This is a response to comment about Gardner not stealing enough compared to Crawford a couple of posts back. According to the “baseball-reference dotcom” website. Gardner runs about as often (normalized) as Crawford and is more successful when he does (BTW the data below is a couple of days old):

    “Cashman needs to go August 2nd, 2010 at 11:23 am
    Gardner “I need to run more” – if that isn’t the biggest “DUH” in yankee land i don’t know what is. One of the biggest differences between Carl Crawford and Gardner is that when crawford gets on you know that 8 times out of 10 he’s trying to steal. When gardner gets on you kind of hope he steals and you wait…and wait….and wait…and nothing happens – then jeter or the #2 guy in the lineup GIDP’s and you’re left scratching your head as why he didn’t go. A guy like gardner is only in the lineup for his speed, causing havoc and getting in scoring position. If he doesn’t utilize that its like asking Cano to bunt the runners over when its 1st and 2nd and no outs – it just doesn’t make sense.”
    _____________________

    Gardner has more infield hits than Crawford outright and steals more than him (on a per at bat basis):

    Gardner has 20 infield hits, with 30 stolen bases in 36 attempts (83% success rate) in 369 plate appearances (1 sb every 12 plate appearances)

    Crawford has 18 infield hits 37 stolen bases in 46 attempts (80% success rate) in 421 plate appearances (1 sb every 11.4 appearances)

    Basically, Gardner has more infield hits that Crawford (20 vs. 18, in fewer # of plate appearances), runs as about as frequently as Crawford (per plate appearance) and is more successful than Crawford when he runs (83% success vs. 80% success).

  148. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    MTU,

    You missed it.

    I got called a fathead and an ambulance chaser.

    Everybody is so carefree and good spirited today!

    :lol:

  149. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:24 pm

    If a new owner for Texas is found, and has money, look for Crawford to be patrolling left field in Arlington, Texas. If not, Anaheim is quite possible.

  150. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    YankeeRay August 2nd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    It depends on their needs. Obviously Gardner and Grandersons finish will determine if they think signing Crawford makes sense. They would probably get more back in a Gardner trade due to his salary. I’m thinking more prospects or another RP. I do think that Crawford will be on their radar. Again alot depends on how Gardner finishes. Last year he was horrible in the playoffs but that was after being on the DL. This year he has been a tremendous surprise at least to me but if he is overmatched in the playoffs again then Crawford will write his ticket here.

    **************

    Do you really think the Yankees will heavily weigh Gardner’s post season performance or do you think it will be more a combination of his second half numbers and post season performance?

    Some might say that the post season numbers wouldn’t factor in at all.

  151. MTU August 2nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    GB-

    Montero throws well. We know that.

    His problem seems to be his blocking skills. Too many PB’s this season right ?

    Related to his slow lower half, poor technique, or a combo of both ?

  152. YankeeRay August 2nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:19 pm
    Carl Crawford is going to get at least 100 million this off-season.

    —-
    SJ, so your thinking 7 for 105 for Crawford? If thats the number then you are right and we probably pass. If we don’t win this year and Gardner and or Granderson fail then we will look hard at Crawford as winning at all costs in the final few years for Jeter and Mo will again be paramount.

  153. Jason Voorhees August 2nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    No one called you a fathead. The person said to wipe your tears on your Joakim Soria fathead, aka those life-size cardboard cutouts of professional athletes.

  154. SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    Crawford doesn’t make sense at what he will earn because the Yankees are taxed 40% on that deal.

    They aren’t signing two 100+ million dollar players for that, and other, reasons.

    I would’nt touch Doumit because he can’t catch anymore, the Yankees can get by with a combination of Posada, Cervelli and Montero next year, and they can use the roster spot and money in better ways to improve the team.

  155. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    You pitiful fop. You weren’t called a fathead. You were told that you could now go cry on your Soria Fathead.

  156. YankeeRay August 2nd, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm
    YankeeRay August 2nd, 2010 at 5:21 pm

    It depends on their needs. Obviously Gardner and Grandersons finish will determine if they think signing Crawford makes sense. They would probably get more back in a Gardner trade due to his salary. I’m thinking more prospects or another RP. I do think that Crawford will be on their radar. Again alot depends on how Gardner finishes. Last year he was horrible in the playoffs but that was after being on the DL. This year he has been a tremendous surprise at least to me but if he is overmatched in the playoffs again then Crawford will write his ticket here.

    **************

    Do you really think the Yankees will heavily weigh Gardner?s post season performance or do you think it will be more a combination of his second half numbers and post season performance?

    —–
    I think both Brett but the post season is what everyone will remember, just look at Matsui.

  157. Jack Florham August 2nd, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    This is a response to comment about Gardner not stealing enough compared to Crawford a couple of posts back. According to the “baseball-reference” website. Gardner runs about as often (normalized) as Crawford and is more successful when he does (BTW the data below is a couple of days old):

    “Cashman needs to go August 2nd, 2010 at 11:23 am
    Gardner “I need to run more” – if that isn’t the biggest “DUH” in yankee land i don’t know what is. One of the biggest differences between Carl Crawford and Gardner is that when crawford gets on you know that 8 times out of 10 he’s trying to steal. When gardner gets on you kind of hope he steals and you wait…and wait….and wait…and nothing happens – then jeter or the #2 guy in the lineup GIDP’s and you’re left scratching your head as why he didn’t go. A guy like gardner is only in the lineup for his speed, causing havoc and getting in scoring position. If he doesn’t utilize that its like asking Cano to bunt the runners over when its 1st and 2nd and no outs – it just doesn’t make sense.”
    _____________________

    Gardner has more infield hits than Crawford outright and steals more than him (on a per at bat basis):

    Gardner has 20 infield hits, with 30 stolen bases in 36 attempts (83% success rate) in 369 plate appearances (1 sb every 12 plate appearances)

    Crawford has 18 infield hits 37 stolen bases in 46 attempts (80% success rate) in 421 plate appearances (1 sb every 11.4 appearances)

    Basically, Gardner has more infield hits that Crawford (20 vs. 18, in fewer # of plate appearances), runs as about as frequently as Crawford (per plate appearance) and is more successful than Crawford when he runs (83% success vs. 80% success).

    That’s not to say Gardner is a better player. He’s not. But at a fraction of the price, he’s a better deal than Crawford.

  158. m August 2nd, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    Why trade the cheaper player (between Granderson & Gardner)? I think you only trade a starter for a big piece. What are we going to add to the club that can’t be done via FA?

    Shaking my head at the suggestions of trading Gardner. Granderson was a hedge against Melky/Gardner. If he can’t be fixed, then it makes sense to trade him. But, 2/3 of a season isn’t enough to make that call.

  159. Jason Voorhees August 2nd, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    aka those life-size cardboard cutouts of professional athletes.

  160. Jack Florham August 2nd, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    test

  161. MTU August 2nd, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Bret-

    I didn’t know you were a personal injury attorney.

    Fathead. Oh. You own a Harley. Cool.What color ? :)

  162. tampayank August 2nd, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    my worry about Gardner is a big drop in numbers next season

  163. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 5:29 pm

    GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:27 pm
    You pitiful fop. You weren’t called a fathead. You were told that you could now go cry on your Soria Fathead.
    *************

    What’s a Soria Fathead?

  164. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    MTU August 2nd, 2010 at 5:28 pm
    Bret-

    I didn’t know you were a personal injury attorney.

    *************

    Maybe in another life, but not this one.

  165. MTU August 2nd, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Gb-

    Did we ever decide Erica’s true status ?

    Is she a tart, strumpet, or perhaps even a harlot ?

    I missed the answer because I had to go out.

    I must know what to call her in the future. I want to be accurate. :)

  166. SoS August 2nd, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    I agree with Yankeeray. How Gardner and Granderson finish the season will determine what the Yankees do in the offseason. What if Crawford gives the Yankees a discount ala Beltran? Hasnt it been rumored that he wants to play with the Yanks? What Long has done for Swisher hitting this year with some tweaks has been absolutely amazing. I just dont know if Long can work magic on everyone.

  167. Joltin Joe August 2nd, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Good lineup tonight. Let’s hope AJ has his stuff tonight…these Jays are tough!

  168. Bret The Hitman August 2nd, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    MTU August 2nd, 2010 at 5:28 pm
    Bret-

    I didn’t know you were a personal injury attorney.
    ***************

    Maybe in a past life, but not this one.

  169. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    MTU August 2nd, 2010 at 5:26 pm
    GB-

    Montero throws well. We know that.

    His problem seems to be his blocking skills. Too many PB’s this season right ?

    Related to his slow lower half, poor technique, or a combo of both ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, passed balls are a big issue, but, go back and look at the early ML numbers of a catcher that everyone thought was such a sensational backstop for the Yanks, Joe Girardi.

  170. m August 2nd, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    tampayank,

    That is a legitimate concern.

    Worse case scenario you still have a cheap, above average defender. Who sees a ton of pitches. :)

    The point is, that keeping Gardner doesn’t inhibit your ability to sign Crawford. If that’s your desire.

  171. SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Gardner’s post-season doesn’t factor into it at all.

    Its about cost vs. production.

    For what both Crawford and Gardner bring to the team, there isn’t a big enough spread to warrant paying Crawford and trading Gardner.

    I’m a huge Crawford fan and I think he is a gamechanging type of player.

    However, when you look at the Yankees in 2011, and I only have one 100+ million dollar player to bring in (which they will, IMO). its Cliff Lee hands down.

  172. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    MTU August 2nd, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    Gb-

    Did we ever decide Erica’s true status ?

    Is she a tart, strumpet, or perhaps even a harlot ?

    I missed the answer because I had to go out.

    I must know what to call her in the future. I want to be accurate.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Never would I call Erica a harlot. A Harlo, maybe.

  173. Joltin Joe August 2nd, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    SJ44 agreed – Cliff Lee is the offseason target.

    Something that hasn’t been discussed much recently: what do you think the Yanks offer Jeter and Mo????

  174. m August 2nd, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Bret,

    Do you not know what a Fathead is? Dan Gilbert (Cavaliers owner) is the Fathead guy.

  175. MTU August 2nd, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Gb-

    Sounds like there is no problem at all and he just needs more reps.

    Is that what you’re saying ?

  176. BronxBorn August 2nd, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    “Pitiful Fop”

    GB you never cease to amaze me… :)

  177. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    ***Harlow***, maybe

  178. SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Small sample sizes in the post-season doesn’t change competent GM’s thinking.

    Matsui was the WS MVP and he was never coming back to NY because it was time to part ways.

    Nick Swisher was benched in the post-season at one point and he is now a fixture on the team.

    Fans get caught up in small sample sizes. Teams don’t.

    Brett Gardner can get even better. He’s not going to fall off a cliff.

    As he learns how to bunt more effectively, learn pitchers and their moves, he’s going to be a dynamic offensive player.

    He is also under team control for several more years.

    Those guys are like gold in today’s baseball.

  179. MTU August 2nd, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    GB-

    Is Erica a Blonde ? Woo Hoo. :)

  180. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    BronxBorn August 2nd, 2010 at 5:35 pm
    “Pitiful Fop”

    GB you never cease to amaze me…

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Hey, Bronx. I’m trying to be more imaginative in my insults. The world language has become stale and unimaginative. I’m going to start borrowing from Shakespeare.

  181. SoS August 2nd, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Brett,
    Here you go. Couldnt find a soria fathead. Must be a collectors item.
    http://www.fathead.com/mlb/kansas-city-royals/

  182. SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    If Mo doesn’t retire, still a possibility IMO, I think he may do a year to year deal with the Yankees a la Pettitte.

    Jeter? I think he eventually gets 4 years. Only way I don’t see 4 years is if Jeter tells the Yankees he is only playing 3 more years and then he gets 3 years.

    I don’t see any scenario where either guy ends up anywhere else. They are lifetime Yankees and both deals will get worked out.

  183. GreenBeret7 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    MTU August 2nd, 2010 at 5:36 pm
    GB-

    Is Erica a Blonde ? Woo Hoo.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I consider her my pretend blonde.

  184. Wave Your Hat August 2nd, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Don’t knock my man Nick Swisher. While I admit he didn’t shine in the post-season, there was no “long stretch” when he was “awful” last year, unless by “long stretch you mean a week or two.

  185. Joltin Joe August 2nd, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    SJ44-

    I was also thinking 4 years for Jeter. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Mo get a 2-3 year deal (with his option for years 2/3). He’s said before he’s walking once he no longer has his stuff.

  186. MTU August 2nd, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    GB-

    Ok. I’ll pretend to go along. :)

  187. jesusmonterofordh August 2nd, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    is lee no queston. crawford will be an angel.

    they love him and fits their system

  188. CB August 2nd, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    While Montero may not be an ideal catcher and may not have a true position in the short to intermediate term, too much is being made out of this.

    Montero is going to play the second most important position in the game – elite hitter. If he has to do it primarily at DH so be it.

    The yankees don’t have many open starting spots in the near terms future anyway. DH is actually their most glaring opening next season. We’ve seen this year very clearly that the whole “rotating” DH thing to rest veterans doesn’t work out that well.

    There’s way too much hand wringing about the negative aspects of his future. Sure in an ideal world he’d be Bench behind the plate but few things are ideal in baseball so you adjust.

    If Montero can hit like Miguel Cabrera how can anyone think there’s going to be some complicated issues surrounding how he’ll be used or what his value to the franchise will be? Now probably won’t hit like Cabrera but he truly has the capacity to be that kind of hitter.

    Montero at this point isn’t just a blue chip prospect at the plate. He is quite literally one of single best minor league hitters to have entered the game over the past 5-10 years.

    Cliff Lee was one thing. But Montero isn’t just some guy they are going to trade to fill a need. It would require extraordinary circumstances that aren’t likely to come up real often – especially in the winter when they can sign players for money alone.

    The Yankees are going to build around guys like Montero and Gardner – they aren’t going to trade them. Production from cost controlled players like those two is what’s going to help them handle the veterans as they get older and continue, despite that, to be very expensive.

  189. SoS August 2nd, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    I think Jeter should get a 10 year deal ala Alex, with an agreement to retire when he starts sucking and by doing so will terminate the remainder of his contract.

  190. champ809 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    I think Crawford tops out @ 80-85 mil for 5-6 years which is not a bod contract.

    I think there will be some discussion of adding him with Granderson not Gardner being the odd man out.

    An out field of Craw-LF, Gardy- CF, Swish- RF is better than what we currently have both defensively and offensively.

    They may ultimately decide to go in a different direction because of the $’s involved but I for 1 would love to have that team for ’11….

    Jeter
    Craw
    Tex
    ARod
    Cano
    Jorge
    Jesus
    Swish
    Gardner

    looks real good!

  191. Mordot11 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    This took two games too long. Girardi needs to stop thinking he’s smarter than everyone else and messing with things that are working. There was never a reason to move Swisher out of the two hole where he has thrived all year, and put extra pressure on a guy who was just traded for the first time in his career.

  192. CB August 2nd, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    “Don’t knock my man Nick Swisher. While I admit he didn’t shine in the post-season, there was no “long stretch” when he was “awful” last year, unless by “long stretch you mean a week or two.”

    I don’t know. He was awful last may and pretty bad in July. He was extremely streaky last season because his swing was so long and he had so many moving parts. He’s eliminated much of that and that’s why he’s so much better now. But when he was bad last season he was awful.

  193. SJ44 August 2nd, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Wave,

    May and July he was awful. He had long droughts.

    This year, as CB said, his swing changes have kicked in and he’s a different player.

    Go back and look at his May and July numbers and you will say it was a lot longer than a bad week or two.

  194. Guru Man August 2nd, 2010 at 6:20 pm

    GB7, Piazza had terrible footwork, he couldn’t block pitches well and he didn’t frame pitches well. As for his throw, his arm strength was not bad, but he had a very slow release.

  195. Dylan August 2nd, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    I love carrying 3 catchers. It allows us to pinch run for Posada late in games. I say next year we bring Montero up and let him DH some games and catch some games. I think that he and Posada could split games at DH and catcher. When the Yankees want to give A-Rod, Jeter, or Tex a rest, Posada could catch and Montero would sit. I see Cervelli as the backup catcher of the future. I could see it breaking down like this:

    Cervelli- 50 starts at C
    Posada- 80 starts at C
    Montero- 32 starts at C

    I can’t see Posada catching more than 80 games next year, and I don’t think Cervelli should be playing 80+ games.

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