This is the weakest ‘best’ team I have seen in a while. Berkman, Granderson and Gardner aren’t scaring anyone and our 7-9 is consistently National League like.
any thoughts on moving Jeter to #2 and Gardner lead off..sliding Swisher down …with Swish,Berkman and Granderson at to bottom of the order..just to get a little production there
Granderson has played in 83 games (289 AB’s) . That’s not 83 straight because of the time he’s missed. Look at Tex this year. I wonder what he was hittting after 289 AB’s? I am only comparing the 2 for length of “slump” and possibility of Granderson turning it around.
IMO Joe can help Curtis by putting him in situations where he has a better chance to be successful. kind of like he’s starting to do now. I wouldn’t call it a platoon, but more getting some AB’s for Kearns
I don’t know enough about kearns to give him LF even on a part time basis.
I do agree about Cervelli and Granderson being a “black hole”.
“They do have a choice in what they do with Granderson the rest of the way and I think now is the time to pull the plug on him for this year.”
Jeter is just starting to look like himself at the plate. I’m leaving him just where he is because him coming around would be a huge jolt to this team.
I wouldn’t worry about Swish this year against ANY pitcher, he has a great eye and is smashing the ball. When the “holes” in your lineup are Lance Berkman and Curtis Granderson batting 7th and 8th, you are doing just fine. Today we win 7-1, IMHO.
“I have seen” is a fact. You are stating something that is verifiable. If you want it to be am opinion you should state it differently.”I think that the Yankees have a very weak bottom of the line.”
Gardner should try bunting for a few hits. He also is still standing on base waiting for hits rather than attempting to steal. The league used to get nervous and jerky on the mound when he was stealing, now they throw a few time over to first and he is stopped cold.
This is a decent team, but the bottom of the lineup is very weak. Its giving pitchers a bit of a blow because the lineup isn’t circular as it had been. With the problems Jeter (though he seems to be doing better lately) and Alex not hitting all that well, it makes the bottom of the order stand out even more.
Its sad to think that Granderson and Gardner lately surprise you when they get a hit.
While Cervelli dropped the ball Vasquez continued to give the Red Sox runs. That 2 run rookie homer was bad. Granderson is struggling they need to do something.
I don’t know, Don, 5-for-45 w/a .445 OPS has to tell you something (what’s the rule of thumb, 40 ABs to really get an idea, or something like that?)
I hear you, though, Swisher this year is different hitter. He crushes mistakes, and is able to drive even the tough pitches. He has been locked-in for seemingly months.
I think folks comparing Granderson to Tex are WAY off base for several reasons.
Even when Tex was slumping, he was taking his walks and getting on base. Granderson rarely walks. If he doesn’t hit, he doesn’t get on base at all. That doesn’t help the team.
Also, Tex is a MUCH better hitter than Granderson, with a longer and more successful track record. In that regard, you can be more patient when he struggles.
I hope Granderson can get fixed because, at one time, he was a dynamic offensive player.
However, he isn’t now and is just a drag on the lineup.
That’s why I think its a mistake to play him everyday.
If he puts up another 0-fer today, I hope Girardi re-thinks his plans with him.
They can’t keep giving away those AB’s down the stretch.
You think so GhettoBlaster? I don’t. I’m doing just fine thanks for the input! Mike feel free to tell your 4th graders how to write and what to say, I was very clear. Sorry your cognitive skills are lacking.
With aging starters, specifically Posada, A-Rod, and Jeter – role players and the bench take on a heightened importance. I don’t think Cashman/Hal have done a good job filling those roles and we haven’t seen any help of note available in SWB. That’s my opinion. That’s why despite the Red Sox injury issues and Tampa’s inconsistency, we don’t have a larger lead.
Peña, Cervelli, Berkman, Granderson, Kearns, Thames, etc., are not the caliber of players this team should have. There was no reason to spend on;y $2.8 million on your entire bench at the beginning of the season.
hardwired7, I see your point, but still think he is a totally different hitter this year that, if Lackey drops his guard on even one pitch, will definitely put some wood the ball today…
WCYF, you have a good point about the bench in consideration with aging players. however, I think Berkman , Kearns are pretty decent additions and are upgrades over what they have.
it would have been better if the Yanks had acquire a regular catcher who can hit then relegate Posada to DH/Platoon than acquiring Berkman, but that horse has left the barn already.
West Coast Yankee Fan. My 10 year old students understand fact and opinion. It is clear from this conversation that you do not. Based on that, whose cognitive skills come into question?
I tried very much to be respectful. I can not say the same for you, so as far as I am concerned this conversation has ended.
# Irreverent Discourse August 7th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
ellsbury out of lineup, hurt his ribs again on that catch? i think so.
WCYF – name one team in history that had/needed a better bench that that to win a WS.
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or could be CC is starting , Day game after night game coming back from injury. who knows.
# Irreverent Discourse August 7th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
cashmoney – there are not exactly a lot of catchers “out there that can hit”. especially not ones that will be traded.
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agree, i had couple guys in mind, Chris Snyder and John Buck, pretty much most of catcher (regulars) are an upgrade over Cervelli.
So Jorge completely out of the lineup 2 times around – that’s really going to help the rotation. If the Yankees make the playoffs, what’s going to happen when Javy and AJ pitch? Jorge will have to get to know them all over again? Frankie’s going to catch? This makes no sense whatsoever.
# Irreverent Discourse August 7th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
cashmoney – he is quoted as “feeling it”. i’m pretty sure any time you can “feel” your ribs, you messed something up :p
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did not know about that quote, then you are prolly right.
If he is going to have a catching “platoon” per se, he can’t play Granderson everyday.
Especially if Cervelli is going to be used for AJ’s and Javy’s starts.
Those are the games where the offense is going to have to score more runs because of the shakiness of the starters.
Having both Cervelli and Granderson in the lineup at the same time produces their worst offensive lineup.
Not the way to go, IMO.
If Girardi isn’t careful, he’s going to manage this team into a three way race.
If that happens, the Yankees are in a bit of trouble because their starters aren’t as good as Boston’s or Tampa’s and their lineup isn’t as good as last year, when they could hit their way out mistakes made on the mound.
SJ, I thought you said the Yankees had a very good rotation……..whenever I mentioned the shakiness of same, you pooh-poohed it. I don’t get it, to be honest.
I would play granderson against rh pitchers only for now,
His ops is over .800 against them & he hit a bullet that could of been a hit but was not last night.
CG,cervelli in the lineup especially when a lh is pitching is a disaster,cobine that with gardner struggling & it get’s worse.
Against lh pitchers i put gardner in cf,kearns in lf,thames dh.
Against rh pitchers,gardner in lf,cg in cf,berkman at dh.
Our pitching has to right itself & i believe it will.
This is why i wanted to do it right at the dh,of positions in the offseason because we are spending money to fix the problems now.
I would of not traded for granderson because of his splits although i understand why cash did.I would of put gardner in cf where his numbers fit more for a cf & traded for a big bat outfielder.
Now we have the same problems next year.I don’t know if it is as easy as it sounds,usually isn’t but nj & cg were risks & right now it hasn’t worked out.
Discourse, my opinion is based on the age and the chance of injury to the foundation of our team. I’m not concerned with what teams in the past did with different players, I am concerned with the New York Yankees this year and their roster. If Posada goes down tomorrow, what then? Cervelli? If A-Rod goes down tomorrow, Peña is the answer? If Jeter goes down tomorrow, Peña again? I hope that doesn’t happen but it’s certainly possible with 35,36 and 39 year old players at the end of a long year. I believe that is the GM’s job to understand that and build the roster accordingly. I don’t know what hole Berkman filled given our rotating DH.
I posted that McDonald/Wally Matthews quote yesterday and mentioned that I thought McDonald was basically correct about the Sox being best positioned to the combo of their SP/offense – particularly their offense. SJ, yesterday you said that that was just because the media doesn’t like to compliment the “big dog”. I just wonder what happened to change your mind?
Anyway, what we have here is a team with a mediocre rotation and an decent/good offense; it’s hard not to say the Sox wouldn’t be better than either of these teams had they stayed even partially healthy.
CC is the only reliable starter right now; I assume Andy will be fine, but we’ll have to see – and he’s a ways away from returning.
Lester? check. Buchholz? check. Beckett? sort of check – he’s capable of completely dominating, but it’s true he can be somewhat inconsistent. Lackey? Like an AJ. Dice K? Overrated in terms of what he was supposed to be, but a good #5
SJ
“I am only comparing the 2 for length of “slump” and possibility of Granderson turning it around. ”
I agree with what you say, just come to a different conclusion.
Would we not be weaker defensively with kearns playing as opposed to Granderson?
Team speed is improved with granderson..
IMO the amount of playing time Cervelli is getting ( especially his AB”S) is more of a problem than Granderson right now.
I believe Posada is going to start playing more and more “IF” physically able to. The good thing about him not playing much early is (hopefully) he can play that much more later.
That should help the bottom of the order..
I typed this up refreshed and read your latest post. We are on the same page about the Cervelli/ Grandersn duo.
I think this years offense could be as good as last years if Jeter and Arod start to hit like they can because Swisher and Cano are better than the 2009 versions of themselves and 2010 Gardner is better than 2009 Melky. If they don’t then its not going to be as good no matter what Granderson does.
I’d still stick with granderson against righties for now because it puts the best defense on the field and I still believe he is better than he’s played.
Actually, with Andy in there we have 2 reliable pitchers ……..but we’ve disagreed on this for quite awhile and I assume we will continue to do so. I don’t love the rotation at all.
Rhapsody, Lackey ‘s been bad, but he’s still better than Dice-K……even though Dice-K has been fine for the most part. In any case, lackey is their #4 starter – AJ has to be our #2 (for now) -and that’s a huge deal.
betsy – lester/buchholz cc/andy is a wash. you really believe that beckett (awful this year, how many guys does he have to hit before he gets suspended), lackey (also awful this year, worst year of his career?), and dice-k (can only pitch vs cleveland) are better than hughes/aj/vaz?
I wonder if Delgado has anything left, not a bad signing by the Sox, always been a fan of him as a hitter. The guy in his prime can rake like the crime dog Mcgriff.
cashmoney – he was getting destroyed by scouts after his dominican league stint earlier this year. slow bat or something, haven’t heard anything about him in months though, i can only assume he’s been eating hotdogs and playing with his kids. :p
West Coast Yankee Fan August 7th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Discourse, my opinion is based on the age and the chance of injury to the foundation of our team. I’m not concerned with what teams in the past did with different players, I am concerned with the New York Yankees this year and their roster. If Posada goes down tomorrow, what then? Cervelli? If A-Rod goes down tomorrow, Peña is the answer? If Jeter goes down tomorrow, Peña again? I hope that doesn’t happen but it’s certainly possible with 35,36 and 39 year old players at the end of a long year. I believe that is the GM’s job to understand that and build the roster accordingly. I don’t know what hole Berkman filled given our rotating DH.
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Age has no discrimination when it comes to injuries. They will get anybody, regardless. Ask Boston. Half of their injuries are to under 30 players.
maybe so, not a risky move from Sox prospective, Man , in his prime, he was an intimidating hitter. I always like guy who has the potential of hitting 500 foot homerun, to me , there is something intangible associate with guy like, they make the entire lineup better just by being in the lineup. Roids aside, I remember Strawberry and Canseco being that type of hitter , in latter year, Manny Ramirez and Ortiz represent that devastating combo.
cashmoney – its a pretty low-risk move, but we’ll see if he even gets called up. teams stopped talking about him 2 months ago so they obviously didn’t like what they see.
Cervelli is 24 yr old who is playing so much because of injuries. He has outperformed beyond anything I was hoping for. Just because I think Jorge is absolutely the starter, doesn’t mean I do not appreciate Cervelli.
My comment was directed at the people who just a few weeks ago were in love with Cervelli and how he played the game and how they thought Jorge was too old and Cervi should be the catcher. Those same people now don’t even want the backup catcher near the stadium.
Yankee fans have greatly enjoyed the Nick Swisher trade and rightfully so. Many people have wondered how the Sox could let him go for Wilson Betemit and spare parts, often more or less gloating about how much of a steal the deal was and how dumb Kenny Williams was.
Well, now, Yankee fans are getting to see that situation some from the White Sox point of view via the terrible season Curtis Granderson is having. And Yankee fans aren’t liking it much.
Much easeir to trade for the guy with talent and a track record the season after he’s awful and watch him rebound than it is to watch that awful season and live through it in the first place.
i don’t blame vaz too much yesterday. sure, his velocity was down… but vaz got squeezed like crazy last night. when you get squeezed there is nothing left to do but come over the plate more and then you get hurt. the ump in last nights game had no idea where the lower half of the strikezone was.
Line drive off the shin for A-Rod Ouch.
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i remember being struck in the shin after complimenting some girl on her posterior… it hurts!
Javy didn’t get squeezed that much last night. He pitched tentatively and when you do, you aren’t getting close calls.
Unfortunately, until he starts performing in games like last night, his rap of coming up small in important games is going to continue.
Messing up the popups, the walks, giving those runs back to the bottom of the order after the Yankees cut the lead to 4-3, is all on him.
He’s a veteran pitcher. He has to make better adjustments in game. Especially if he is getting squeezed which, I don’t believe was the case last night.
“Alex Rodriguez got hit in what looked like the left leg during #Yankees BP. Is lying on the field, with Gene Monahan at the scene.”
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How unfortunately ironic in light of what I was just talking about. I won’t say I told you so, hopefully it’s nothing serious. But if it is Peña is our only option.
sj44 – both pitchers were squeezed last night. buchholz doesn’t rely on borderline low strikes, so it didn’t hurt him as much. if you don’t believe they were, you should have paid more attention.
Against lh pitchers i put gardner in cf,kearns in lf,thames dh.
Against rh pitchers,gardner in lf,cg in cf,berkman at dh.
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What you are proposing is already the general plan and the main reason they acquired Berkman and Kearns.
And I would have Cervelli catching CC and whoever is the second best starter, which right now I guess is Hughes, Pettitte when he comes back, and have Posada catch the other 3 starters when we generally need more offense. That has Posada catching 3/5 starts.
Javy didn’t mess up the popup. Cervelli called him off and dropped it. The pitcher has to yield to any other fielder, otherwise you get collisions with your pitcher, which is obviously bad. I think you know this…
I think it was a much easier play for the pitcher and Cervelli should not have called him off.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 7th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
“Alex Rodriguez got hit in what looked like the left leg during #Yankees BP. Is lying on the field, with Gene Monahan at the scene.”
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How unfortunately ironic in light of what I was just talking about. I won’t say I told you so, hopefully it’s nothing serious. But if it is Peña is our only option.
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That has nothing to do with age. No irony involved.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 7th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
“Alex Rodriguez got hit in what looked like the left leg during #Yankees BP. Is lying on the field, with Gene Monahan at the scene.”
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How unfortunately ironic in light of what I was just talking about. I won’t say I told you so, hopefully it’s nothing serious. But if it is Peña is our only option.
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That has nothing to do with age. No irony involved.
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My earlier point was about Cashman/Hal not doing a very good job preparing for such eventualities. It doesn’t matter how A-Rod gets injured, the point is that we have no option other than Peña who is basically a zero at the plate.
The A lineup.
Victory is assured.
This is the weakest ‘best’ team I have seen in a while. Berkman, Granderson and Gardner aren’t scaring anyone and our 7-9 is consistently National League like.
except not a single NL team has guys that good at the end of their lineup. too much sun out there on the wrong coast?
West Coast Yankee Fan. What National league team is that?
any thoughts on moving Jeter to #2 and Gardner lead off..sliding Swisher down …with Swish,Berkman and Granderson at to bottom of the order..just to get a little production there
The comment was National League “like”. I’m not a Berkman, Granderson or Gardner fan. Just my opinion.
“The phrase is ?fait accompli? ? no ?d?.”
I call nitpicking because no one else had a clue that was wrong.
Heading out to play with the kids until gametime to take advantage of this gorgeous NY weather that we haven’t had in a long time.
Nice post SJ
Granderson has played in 83 games (289 AB’s) . That’s not 83 straight because of the time he’s missed. Look at Tex this year. I wonder what he was hittting after 289 AB’s? I am only comparing the 2 for length of “slump” and possibility of Granderson turning it around.
IMO Joe can help Curtis by putting him in situations where he has a better chance to be successful. kind of like he’s starting to do now. I wouldn’t call it a platoon, but more getting some AB’s for Kearns
I don’t know enough about kearns to give him LF even on a part time basis.
I do agree about Cervelli and Granderson being a “black hole”.
“They do have a choice in what they do with Granderson the rest of the way and I think now is the time to pull the plug on him for this year.”
Too soon, IMO
Not a specific team, the reference and analogy is to what I perceive as a weak bottom of the order.
Jeter is just starting to look like himself at the plate. I’m leaving him just where he is because him coming around would be a huge jolt to this team.
Kearns should be in LF. How much long is Girardi going to wait for the light to come on in Granderson’s head?? It’s only August now…
heading out also…going to bet some ( LOCK) Saratoga races
As a 4th grade teacher I can tell you that “This is the weakest ‘best’ team I have seen in a while.” is not an opinion.
Maybe they trade Granderson in the off-season – for now put Gardner in center and Kearns in left or bring back Colin Curtis
and before I go….
Mets DFA Cora 18 games shy of a vesting option of kicking in.
Sox sign Delgado to a $3M prorated minor league deal with an out if he isn’t called up by September 1.
Yankee hitters vs. Lackey:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5203
Teixeira, Jeter and Posada rake against him, but Swish struggles (big time).
Mike, I said “I have seen”. That is an opinion.
I wouldn’t worry about Swish this year against ANY pitcher, he has a great eye and is smashing the ball. When the “holes” in your lineup are Lance Berkman and Curtis Granderson batting 7th and 8th, you are doing just fine. Today we win 7-1, IMHO.
West ?Coast Yankee Fan getting destroyed in this thread.
“I call nitpicking because no one else had a clue that was wrong.”
If no one else had a clue it was wrong, the correction was even more valuable.
“I have seen” is a fact. You are stating something that is verifiable. If you want it to be am opinion you should state it differently.”I think that the Yankees have a very weak bottom of the line.”
that’s because no one cares if he thinks the best lineup in the league has a “weak” 7-9. especially since the 7-9 is not, in fact, weak.
In other news, the Red Sox sign washed-up Carlos Delgado…. LOL
Gardner should try bunting for a few hits. He also is still standing on base waiting for hits rather than attempting to steal. The league used to get nervous and jerky on the mound when he was stealing, now they throw a few time over to first and he is stopped cold.
This is a decent team, but the bottom of the lineup is very weak. Its giving pitchers a bit of a blow because the lineup isn’t circular as it had been. With the problems Jeter (though he seems to be doing better lately) and Alex not hitting all that well, it makes the bottom of the order stand out even more.
Its sad to think that Granderson and Gardner lately surprise you when they get a hit.
While Cervelli dropped the ball Vasquez continued to give the Red Sox runs. That 2 run rookie homer was bad. Granderson is struggling they need to do something.
4pm Fox Game , ugh.
I don’t know, Don, 5-for-45 w/a .445 OPS has to tell you something (what’s the rule of thumb, 40 ABs to really get an idea, or something like that?)
I hear you, though, Swisher this year is different hitter. He crushes mistakes, and is able to drive even the tough pitches. He has been locked-in for seemingly months.
Today will be a good test, then.
Tar,
I think folks comparing Granderson to Tex are WAY off base for several reasons.
Even when Tex was slumping, he was taking his walks and getting on base. Granderson rarely walks. If he doesn’t hit, he doesn’t get on base at all. That doesn’t help the team.
Also, Tex is a MUCH better hitter than Granderson, with a longer and more successful track record. In that regard, you can be more patient when he struggles.
I hope Granderson can get fixed because, at one time, he was a dynamic offensive player.
However, he isn’t now and is just a drag on the lineup.
That’s why I think its a mistake to play him everyday.
If he puts up another 0-fer today, I hope Girardi re-thinks his plans with him.
They can’t keep giving away those AB’s down the stretch.
I am less than 5 miles from the Pacific Ocean (fact) and I think the bottom of our lineup looks good (opinion) and will destroy Lackey (prediction).
I think it would make everyone feel better and relieve a lot of frustration to just pound Lackey and Beckett over the next two days.
You think so GhettoBlaster? I don’t. I’m doing just fine thanks for the input! Mike feel free to tell your 4th graders how to write and what to say, I was very clear. Sorry your cognitive skills are lacking.
With aging starters, specifically Posada, A-Rod, and Jeter – role players and the bench take on a heightened importance. I don’t think Cashman/Hal have done a good job filling those roles and we haven’t seen any help of note available in SWB. That’s my opinion. That’s why despite the Red Sox injury issues and Tampa’s inconsistency, we don’t have a larger lead.
Peña, Cervelli, Berkman, Granderson, Kearns, Thames, etc., are not the caliber of players this team should have. There was no reason to spend on;y $2.8 million on your entire bench at the beginning of the season.
hardwired7, I see your point, but still think he is a totally different hitter this year that, if Lackey drops his guard on even one pitch, will definitely put some wood the ball today…
WCYF, you have a good point about the bench in consideration with aging players. however, I think Berkman , Kearns are pretty decent additions and are upgrades over what they have.
it would have been better if the Yanks had acquire a regular catcher who can hit then relegate Posada to DH/Platoon than acquiring Berkman, but that horse has left the barn already.
ellsbury out of lineup, hurt his ribs again on that catch? i think so.
WCYF – name one team in history that had/needed a better bench that that to win a WS.
Far more disturbing than Granderson’s season: I still have not received an e-mail informing me that I won the Cano ball.
cashmoney – there are not exactly a lot of catchers “out there that can hit”. especially not ones that will be traded.
Ledger_Yankees Pettitte to throw a pen on Monday; next step would be a game-like situation in Tampa.
Ledger_Yankees Girardi intends to stick with catching rotation: Cervelli to catch Javy and AJ, Posada to catch the rest. But DH duties to Berkman.
West Coast Yankee Fan. My 10 year old students understand fact and opinion. It is clear from this conversation that you do not. Based on that, whose cognitive skills come into question?
I tried very much to be respectful. I can not say the same for you, so as far as I am concerned this conversation has ended.
# Irreverent Discourse August 7th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
ellsbury out of lineup, hurt his ribs again on that catch? i think so.
WCYF – name one team in history that had/needed a better bench that that to win a WS.
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or could be CC is starting , Day game after night game coming back from injury. who knows.
Wait, so no more Jorge and AJ? Joe just started that stupid controversy all over again………….
cashmoney – he is quoted as “feeling it”. i’m pretty sure any time you can “feel” your ribs, you messed something up :p
betsy – actually Joe didn’t bring it up, you did.
# Irreverent Discourse August 7th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
cashmoney – there are not exactly a lot of catchers “out there that can hit”. especially not ones that will be traded.
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agree, i had couple guys in mind, Chris Snyder and John Buck, pretty much most of catcher (regulars) are an upgrade over Cervelli.
So Jorge completely out of the lineup 2 times around – that’s really going to help the rotation. If the Yankees make the playoffs, what’s going to happen when Javy and AJ pitch? Jorge will have to get to know them all over again? Frankie’s going to catch? This makes no sense whatsoever.
# Irreverent Discourse August 7th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
cashmoney – he is quoted as “feeling it”. i’m pretty sure any time you can “feel” your ribs, you messed something up :p
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did not know about that quote, then you are prolly right.
cashmoney – you realize both of those guys only outslug cervelli, and he’s a better hitter than both of them?
If he is going to have a catching “platoon” per se, he can’t play Granderson everyday.
Especially if Cervelli is going to be used for AJ’s and Javy’s starts.
Those are the games where the offense is going to have to score more runs because of the shakiness of the starters.
Having both Cervelli and Granderson in the lineup at the same time produces their worst offensive lineup.
Not the way to go, IMO.
If Girardi isn’t careful, he’s going to manage this team into a three way race.
If that happens, the Yankees are in a bit of trouble because their starters aren’t as good as Boston’s or Tampa’s and their lineup isn’t as good as last year, when they could hit their way out mistakes made on the mound.
Hope CC brings his “A” Game today. They need it.
SJ, I thought you said the Yankees had a very good rotation……..whenever I mentioned the shakiness of same, you pooh-poohed it. I don’t get it, to be honest.
I would play granderson against rh pitchers only for now,
His ops is over .800 against them & he hit a bullet that could of been a hit but was not last night.
CG,cervelli in the lineup especially when a lh is pitching is a disaster,cobine that with gardner struggling & it get’s worse.
Against lh pitchers i put gardner in cf,kearns in lf,thames dh.
Against rh pitchers,gardner in lf,cg in cf,berkman at dh.
Our pitching has to right itself & i believe it will.
This is why i wanted to do it right at the dh,of positions in the offseason because we are spending money to fix the problems now.
I would of not traded for granderson because of his splits although i understand why cash did.I would of put gardner in cf where his numbers fit more for a cf & traded for a big bat outfielder.
Now we have the same problems next year.I don’t know if it is as easy as it sounds,usually isn’t but nj & cg were risks & right now it hasn’t worked out.
Francono said before the series he would rest Ellsbury one game of this series.
I don’t know if today is that one day or if Ellsbury was re-injured last night.
Sure didn’t appear to be injured after the catch however, smiling etc..
Discourse, my opinion is based on the age and the chance of injury to the foundation of our team. I’m not concerned with what teams in the past did with different players, I am concerned with the New York Yankees this year and their roster. If Posada goes down tomorrow, what then? Cervelli? If A-Rod goes down tomorrow, Peña is the answer? If Jeter goes down tomorrow, Peña again? I hope that doesn’t happen but it’s certainly possible with 35,36 and 39 year old players at the end of a long year. I believe that is the GM’s job to understand that and build the roster accordingly. I don’t know what hole Berkman filled given our rotating DH.
i would love an explanation of how bostons rotation is better than the yankees at this point in the season.
I posted that McDonald/Wally Matthews quote yesterday and mentioned that I thought McDonald was basically correct about the Sox being best positioned to the combo of their SP/offense – particularly their offense. SJ, yesterday you said that that was just because the media doesn’t like to compliment the “big dog”. I just wonder what happened to change your mind?
Anyway, what we have here is a team with a mediocre rotation and an decent/good offense; it’s hard not to say the Sox wouldn’t be better than either of these teams had they stayed even partially healthy.
Betsy,
With Pettitte in there, the Yankees have a very good rotation. Without him, its a good rotation but, not as good as Tampa’s or Boston’s.
With him in there, its every bit as good as Tampa’s or Boston’s.
It ain’t that complicated.
WCYF – go worry about “what-if’s” and injuries on your own time.
ID, how is it not better?
CC is the only reliable starter right now; I assume Andy will be fine, but we’ll have to see – and he’s a ways away from returning.
Lester? check. Buchholz? check. Beckett? sort of check – he’s capable of completely dominating, but it’s true he can be somewhat inconsistent. Lackey? Like an AJ. Dice K? Overrated in terms of what he was supposed to be, but a good #5
Discourse are you the blog Obergrupenfuhrer? I’ll feel free to voice my opinion whenever I care to.
SJ
“I am only comparing the 2 for length of “slump” and possibility of Granderson turning it around. ”
I agree with what you say, just come to a different conclusion.
Would we not be weaker defensively with kearns playing as opposed to Granderson?
Team speed is improved with granderson..
IMO the amount of playing time Cervelli is getting ( especially his AB”S) is more of a problem than Granderson right now.
I believe Posada is going to start playing more and more “IF” physically able to. The good thing about him not playing much early is (hopefully) he can play that much more later.
That should help the bottom of the order..
I typed this up refreshed and read your latest post. We are on the same page about the Cervelli/ Grandersn duo.
rhapsody – i was smiling at my softball game last week, until i got home and realized i partially tore my LCL. adrenaline is a hell of a drug
WCYF – and i will feel free to tell you that your worry over injuries is a waste of time.
Lackey has been their version of A.J..
An expensive #5.
I think this years offense could be as good as last years if Jeter and Arod start to hit like they can because Swisher and Cano are better than the 2009 versions of themselves and 2010 Gardner is better than 2009 Melky. If they don’t then its not going to be as good no matter what Granderson does.
I’d still stick with granderson against righties for now because it puts the best defense on the field and I still believe he is better than he’s played.
Actually, with Andy in there we have 2 reliable pitchers ……..but we’ve disagreed on this for quite awhile and I assume we will continue to do so. I don’t love the rotation at all.
What in The Wide World Of Sports will you people have to complain about when Burnett, Posada, Granderson, Vazquez and Berkman are gone?
I know this is way ahead of things….
But, given the issues Joe has with the lineup, I bet instead of Crawford, they make a big, big move on Adam Dunn.
Rays losing 1-0,jays have bases loaded 1 out.
Rhapsody, Lackey ‘s been bad, but he’s still better than Dice-K……even though Dice-K has been fine for the most part. In any case, lackey is their #4 starter – AJ has to be our #2 (for now) -and that’s a huge deal.
Joe, I hope not. I’m not a fan and Dunn doesn’t want to DH….
Knock your socks off Discourse. That’s your opinion.
betsy – lester/buchholz cc/andy is a wash. you really believe that beckett (awful this year, how many guys does he have to hit before he gets suspended), lackey (also awful this year, worst year of his career?), and dice-k (can only pitch vs cleveland) are better than hughes/aj/vaz?
I wonder if Delgado has anything left, not a bad signing by the Sox, always been a fan of him as a hitter. The guy in his prime can rake like the crime dog Mcgriff.
cashmoney – he was getting destroyed by scouts after his dominican league stint earlier this year. slow bat or something, haven’t heard anything about him in months though, i can only assume he’s been eating hotdogs and playing with his kids. :p
These pickups like Berkman and Delgado are always crap shoots. Look at what Vlad has done, many thought he had one foot in the grave.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 7th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Discourse, my opinion is based on the age and the chance of injury to the foundation of our team. I’m not concerned with what teams in the past did with different players, I am concerned with the New York Yankees this year and their roster. If Posada goes down tomorrow, what then? Cervelli? If A-Rod goes down tomorrow, Peña is the answer? If Jeter goes down tomorrow, Peña again? I hope that doesn’t happen but it’s certainly possible with 35,36 and 39 year old players at the end of a long year. I believe that is the GM’s job to understand that and build the roster accordingly. I don’t know what hole Berkman filled given our rotating DH.
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Age has no discrimination when it comes to injuries. They will get anybody, regardless. Ask Boston. Half of their injuries are to under 30 players.
I remember not too long ago reading some brilliant posts like,
“Sit Posada, DH Posada, whatever, Cervelli should play every day!”
So, the love affair with Cervelli ended, I see.
The rs wanted a lh platoon for lowell at 1b.
Peter a b e on wfan later.
YankeesWFAN New definition of scoreboard watching in 2010. TB-TOR on the big screen at Yankee Stadium during bp
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Betsy, it must be miserable for you to be a Yankee fan. I mean, with the constant hand-wringing and all.
Do your ulcers go away in the offseason or are they so bad that you have them year round?
Irreverent Discourse August 7th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
maybe so, not a risky move from Sox prospective, Man , in his prime, he was an intimidating hitter. I always like guy who has the potential of hitting 500 foot homerun, to me , there is something intangible associate with guy like, they make the entire lineup better just by being in the lineup. Roids aside, I remember Strawberry and Canseco being that type of hitter , in latter year, Manny Ramirez and Ortiz represent that devastating combo.
cashmoney – its a pretty low-risk move, but we’ll see if he even gets called up. teams stopped talking about him 2 months ago so they obviously didn’t like what they see.
“So, the love affair with Cervelli ended, I see”
EveryoneSucksExceptSJCBDoreen
Cervelli is 24 yr old who is playing so much because of injuries. He has outperformed beyond anything I was hoping for. Just because I think Jorge is absolutely the starter, doesn’t mean I do not appreciate Cervelli.
But what do I know, I suck too.
Mets release Alex Cora, I wonder if he can still play SS , if so, say goodbye to Ramiro Pena and let’s bring him aboard .
Lowell and Delgado. Four legs, two good hips.
Like all these guys with bad hips, you have to pitch him hard inside and not allow him to extend his arms.
They can’t rotate like they used to when their legs were healthy.
Carlos will cheat on fastballs in the middle of the plate to make up for the lost bat speed.
Pitch afraid, and he will hurt some pitches.
Attack, and he won’t have much impact.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/0.....ss=twitter
Brackman scouting report.
Green Beret7 – Valid point, The “chance” injuries happen to everyone but I think the odds of injury are greater for older players.
I wonder if we would consider going after Cora. Although he is a former sox, he is a professional, who could probably play 3B and SS along with 2B
Tar, you and I agree.
My comment was directed at the people who just a few weeks ago were in love with Cervelli and how he played the game and how they thought Jorge was too old and Cervi should be the catcher. Those same people now don’t even want the backup catcher near the stadium.
How quickly things change.
EveryoneSucksExceptSJCBDoreen August 7th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
So, the love affair with Cervelli ended, I see.
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It hasn’t with me.
Jays already up 3-0 on Rays.
A win today goes a very long way.
We need cc to be cc.
All we have to do is split this series.Anything else is gravy.
If we split the rs pick up no ground going head to head.
KenDavidoff Alex Rodriguez got hit in what looked like the left leg during #Yankees BP. Is lying on the field, with Gene Monahan at the scene.
3-0 toronto.
# SJ44 August 7th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Lowell and Delgado. Four legs, two good hips.
Like all these guys with bad hips, you have to pitch him hard inside and not allow him to extend his arms.
They can’t rotate like they used to when their legs were healthy.
Carlos will cheat on fastballs in the middle of the plate to make up for the lost bat speed.
Pitch afraid, and he will hurt some pitches.
Attack, and he won’t have much impact.
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very good point SJ, Vaz’s tentative way was driving me nuts last night. FREE IVAN NOVA!
Ledger_Yankees Not sure why but Monahan just took A-Rod off the field. More details when they’re available.
Yankee fans have greatly enjoyed the Nick Swisher trade and rightfully so. Many people have wondered how the Sox could let him go for Wilson Betemit and spare parts, often more or less gloating about how much of a steal the deal was and how dumb Kenny Williams was.
Well, now, Yankee fans are getting to see that situation some from the White Sox point of view via the terrible season Curtis Granderson is having. And Yankee fans aren’t liking it much.
Much easeir to trade for the guy with talent and a track record the season after he’s awful and watch him rebound than it is to watch that awful season and live through it in the first place.
BryanHoch Rodriguez limped into center field after being struck and collapsed on field. Players called for trainers. Berkman was batting.
i don’t blame vaz too much yesterday. sure, his velocity was down… but vaz got squeezed like crazy last night. when you get squeezed there is nothing left to do but come over the plate more and then you get hurt. the ump in last nights game had no idea where the lower half of the strikezone was.
KenDavidoff A-Rod got hit while playing 3B and tried to run it off for a few seconds before falling to the ground. #Yankees
Is anyone at the stadium right now? Apparently Arod was hit in the left leg during BP and is lying on the field with Monahan at the scene.
Line drive off the shin for A-Rod
Ouch.
BryanHoch Rodriguez has been taken into clubhouse by Gene Monahan & medical staff.
Lance Berkman went opposite field in the cage to hit Alex.
# Carl August 7th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Line drive off the shin for A-Rod
Ouch.
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i remember being struck in the shin after complimenting some girl on her posterior… it hurts!
Joelsherman1 A-Rod was taking grounders at 3b, didn’t see Berkman smash coming, reeled to protective screen behind second base
# Carl August 7th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Lance Berkman went opposite field in the cage to hit Alex.
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Guy can’t do anything right.
I think Girardi’s platoon is more coincidence than anything else. He said Posada would play 3 out of 4 days, and this would accomplish it.
Catches Mosely/Hughes, rests, catches CC, rests, catches Mosely/Hughes, rests, etc.
They probably just wanted to make a schedule. Such is the life with a 39 yr old catcher.
Berkman finally smashes a pitch and ends up hurting his own player. His luck isn’t the greatest right now.
Joelsherman1 Trainer Gene Monahan was summoned from clubhouse, 2 paramedics also came out. Left under own power but limping #Yankees
New Post: Rodriguez helped off the field in batting practice
Berkman must feel horrible. He really isn’t making himself too popular with Yankees fans!
# Erin August 7th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Joelsherman1 Trainer Gene Monahan was summoned from clubhouse, 2 paramedics also came out. Left under own power but limping #Yankees
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Sounds like we may be seeing Pena today.
Javy didn’t get squeezed that much last night. He pitched tentatively and when you do, you aren’t getting close calls.
Unfortunately, until he starts performing in games like last night, his rap of coming up small in important games is going to continue.
Messing up the popups, the walks, giving those runs back to the bottom of the order after the Yankees cut the lead to 4-3, is all on him.
He’s a veteran pitcher. He has to make better adjustments in game. Especially if he is getting squeezed which, I don’t believe was the case last night.
“Alex Rodriguez got hit in what looked like the left leg during #Yankees BP. Is lying on the field, with Gene Monahan at the scene.”
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How unfortunately ironic in light of what I was just talking about. I won’t say I told you so, hopefully it’s nothing serious. But if it is Peña is our only option.
unbelievable, thats pathetic . arod getting hit
cervilli can’t catch 2 out 5 days
he not good enough to compete at this we..
curtis averages like 70 walks per year, he close to that
sj44 – both pitchers were squeezed last night. buchholz doesn’t rely on borderline low strikes, so it didn’t hurt him as much. if you don’t believe they were, you should have paid more attention.
Against lh pitchers i put gardner in cf,kearns in lf,thames dh.
Against rh pitchers,gardner in lf,cg in cf,berkman at dh.
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What you are proposing is already the general plan and the main reason they acquired Berkman and Kearns.
And I would have Cervelli catching CC and whoever is the second best starter, which right now I guess is Hughes, Pettitte when he comes back, and have Posada catch the other 3 starters when we generally need more offense. That has Posada catching 3/5 starts.
lol is on cervilli and javy.
cervilli can’t compete at this level
I don’t buy the getting squeezed for an inept performance.
Getting squeezed is not why he didn’t take charge on the popup.
Or, continue to throw 3-1 and 3-2 changeups to the #9 hitters, leading to walks.
Or, walking Ellsbury to walk in a run.
The strikezone is the strikezone and veteran pitchers adjust all the time to it.
At least the one’s that are successful.
He pitched tentatively all night.
When you do, you aren’t getting borderline calls from anybody.
SJ44 August 7th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Messing up the popups…
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Javy didn’t mess up the popup. Cervelli called him off and dropped it. The pitcher has to yield to any other fielder, otherwise you get collisions with your pitcher, which is obviously bad. I think you know this…
I think it was a much easier play for the pitcher and Cervelli should not have called him off.
West Coast Yankee Fan August 7th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
“Alex Rodriguez got hit in what looked like the left leg during #Yankees BP. Is lying on the field, with Gene Monahan at the scene.”
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How unfortunately ironic in light of what I was just talking about. I won’t say I told you so, hopefully it’s nothing serious. But if it is Peña is our only option.
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That has nothing to do with age. No irony involved.
new post
# GreenBeret7 August 7th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
West Coast Yankee Fan August 7th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
“Alex Rodriguez got hit in what looked like the left leg during #Yankees BP. Is lying on the field, with Gene Monahan at the scene.”
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How unfortunately ironic in light of what I was just talking about. I won’t say I told you so, hopefully it’s nothing serious. But if it is Peña is our only option.
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That has nothing to do with age. No irony involved.
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My earlier point was about Cashman/Hal not doing a very good job preparing for such eventualities. It doesn’t matter how A-Rod gets injured, the point is that we have no option other than Peña who is basically a zero at the plate.
Good. Cervelli’s getting on my last nerve.