Game 110: Yankees vs. Red Sox
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Aug 08, 2010 
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YANKEES (68-41)
Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Jorge Posada C
Lance Berkman DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Brett Gardner LF
RHP Dustin Moseley (1-1, 4.13)
Moseley vs. Red Sox
RED SOX (63-48)
Jacoby Ellsbury CF
Marco Scutaro SS
David Ortiz DH
Victor Martinez 1B
J.D. Drew RF
Adrian Beltre 3B
Ryan Kalish LF
Bill Hall 2B
Kevin Cash C
RHP Josh Beckett (3-1, 570)
Beckett vs. Yankees
TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m. / ESPN
UMPIRES: HP Mike Winters, 1B Hunter Wendelstedt, 2B Bruce Dreckman, 3B Jerry Layne
WEATHER: Quite a few clouds in the sky. The Weather Channel says only a 10 percent chance of rain — jumping to 25 percent at 1o p.m. — but it does look a little bit like rain could be on its way.
GETTING THERE QUICKLY: Yesterday was CC Sabathia’s 150th career win. According to Elias, he’s the fifth-youngest — 30 years, 17 days — to reach that milestone among pitchers who began their careers in the division era. Dwight Gooden got there at 28 years, 232 days. Bert Blyleven (29 years, 71 days), Greg Maddux (29, 166) and Vida Blue (29, 359) also got there faster than Sabathia.
NO MORE THAN THREE: The Yankees are one of two teams in the big leagues who have yet to lose more than three games in a row this season. The other is San Diego. The Yankees have not lost four straight games since May 2009.
WINLESS BECKETT: This will be Josh Beckett’s fourth start against the Yankees this season. He has yet to get a win in any of those starts, but his nine career wins against the Yankees are his most against any opponent. He has never taken a loss at the new Yankee Stadium.
UPDATE, 8:17 p.m.: Good start for Moseley. He made a nice play on the lead-off swinging bunt, struck out Scutaro and covered for a 3-1 putout that ended the inning.
UPDATE, 8:34 p.m.: Hard to say whether that would have been a home run or a double off the wall, but Nick Swisher made the jumping catch to end the second inning. Six up, six down for Moseley.
UPDATE, 8:38 p.m.: People are actually cheering Lance Berkman. A double down the line does the trick every time.
UPDATE, 8:44 p.m.: Brett Gardner beats out an infield single, and because Bill Hall tried to rush the throw to get him at first, the throw was bad and Berkman scored on the error. It’s 1-0 Yankees.
UPDATE, 8:49 p.m.: Jeter tips his helmet at a standing ovation for passing Babe Ruth on the all-time hits list. His single has scored Gardner and made it a 2-0 game.
UPDATE, 9:25 p.m.: Big exhale from Moseley as a grounder to first gets him out of the fourth inning with the bases left loaded.
UPDATE, 9:42 p.m.: Bill Hall solo homer in the top of the fifth. Mark Teixeira solo homer in the bottom. It’s a 3-1 game.
UPDATE, 9:43 p.m.: Mark Teixeira is the fourth player in baseball history to reach 25 home runs in each of his first eight major league seasons. This is according to Elias.
UPDATE, 10:04 p.m.: The Teixeira home run started a five-run inning that chased Beckett from the game. It’s a 7-1 lead for the Yankees.
UPDATE, 10:15 p.m.: Guess the ankle is OK. That’s the 300th steal of Rodriguez’s career, and his first since May 8. He’s the 10th player in baseball history with at least 1,500 runs, 2,500 hits, 200 home runs and 300 stolen bases.
UPDATE, 10:38 p.m.: Well-deserving standing ovation for Moseley. Joba Chamberlain let an inherited runner score on an infield single, now Boone Logan is in to face David Ortiz with the bases loaded in the seventh. Yankees lead 7-2.
UPDATE, 10:42 p.m.: Logan gets out of it with a grounder to second. He’s really put some things together. Seems like a huge part of the bullpen at this point. Speaking of which, Dave Robertson is getting loose.
Ellsbury needs to be plunked in his first AB to protect the Yankees’ hitters !
burnett scratched? moseley up one day? so will hughes pitch tomorrow?
how is a team as good as the rays on the losing end of so many perfect games, no hitters, 1 hitters, 17 K games, etc???
A lot of people around me left after Alex hit his 600th. Maybe it was the heat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbScqifeSHA
Compare the 7-8-9 spots in the lineup for each team.
# ac1 August 8th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
how is a team as good as the rays on the losing end of so many perfect games, no hitters, 1 hitters, 17 K games, etc???
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i guess it’s the same as the Yankees making pitchers with 8 era’s look like Cy Young candidates.
compare the whole lineup !!!
bad year for arod? how bout being 2nd in the league in rbis?
Looks like Francona got the message about Martinez not being able to throw anyone out. No knock on Moseley but IMO, it all depends on what Beckett brings tonight.
“how is a team as good as the rays on the losing end of so many perfect games, no hitters, 1 hitters, 17 K games, etc???” Everybody brings their A game when they face Tampa, just like they do for the Yanks. Good pitching beats good hitting. At least I think that’s it.
ARod is going to have a good game tonight. I can feeeeeeeeel the pooooowwwWwaaaaaaaa
morgan just predicted arod will have 100 rbis…… being he has 88 now, i think that is a safe bet morgan. thanks for your input.
If u haven’t seen Tebow’s new hairdo, just imagine John Miller’s back hair going around his whole head. Or just think Friar Tuck.
# ac1 August 8th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
bad year for arod? how bout being 2nd in the league in rbis?
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only when you compare Alex with himself , then relatively speaking , yes.
RBI is important stats but at time doesn’t tell the whole story.
Joe from Long Island:
“Compare the 7-8-9 spots in the lineup for each team.”
Looking similar really. Big Puma/Fat Elvis is cooooold, Grandy is still having poor at bats, swinging at bad pitches and not hitting lefties. Gardy has been slumping.
Meanwhile, Kalish has drawn blood more than once. He should be fed nothing but sinkers and breaking stuff until he starts hitting that.
@ac1 about the Rays
They’re a pretty aggressive hitting team. When a pitcher is really on that doesn’t do them any favors.
That would be my guess.
murphydog – I saw where Tampa trails the league in runs scored. I think that may be part of it, although I think you’re right. Tampa isn’t sneaking up on anyone anymore. Teams bring their A games.
“If u haven’t seen Tebow’s new hairdo, just imagine John Miller’s back hair going around his whole head. Or just think Friar Tuck.”
I think they called it the Gargamel on sportscenter.
Pound Beckett!….but not so much that he throws a tantrum and starts hitting people….just enough for a comfortable victory.
Burnett should see a therapist. And not a physical one. I do not mean that disparagingly.
His aches, pains, and meltdowns will go away when he deals with his underlying emotional issues.
as long as alex is bringing in runs, that is something.
ac1:
“morgan just predicted arod will have 100 rbis…… being he has 88 now, i think that is a safe bet morgan. thanks for your input.”
I’m stuffing some cotton in my ears so I don’t have to listen to that arrogant, insufferable boob. I suggest you take safety precautions yourself.
over under on how many yankees beckett hits. 3…. good thing cervelli isnt playing tonight. he throws at his head everytime he steps out.
At least one Ray is an all or nothing kind of player.
“His aches, pains, and meltdowns will go away when he deals with his underlying emotional issues.”
It worked for Greinke.
What a play by Mosely.
murph – that was my point
oh that’s niiiiiiiiiiiiiice
that was impressive by Moseley
# Don Vito A. Bellamo August 8th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Ellsbury needs to be plunked in his first AB to protect the Yankees’ hitters !
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LOL, good thoughts
murphydog – I saw where Tampa trails the league in runs scored. I think that may be part of it, although I think you’re right. Tampa isn’t sneaking up on anyone anymore. Teams bring their A games
…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………TB is third in the league in runs scored. Only Boston and NY have more.
I don’t think Lohud would be very patient with the Rays offense.
Yeah, because AJ complained of aches and phantom pain the last season and a half.
I will take 4ER for 6innings from Moseley
i like moseley. reminds me of wang, not just because of the number. i trust him more than burnett right now.
were tex and moseley teammates in anaheim?
good start.
is Moseley on regular rest? or 3 days?
i’ll give burnett one thing. he has managed to go almost three years without a serious burnett type injury.
clown – well, then I stand – or sit – corrected. Thank you.
i think moseley is on regular rest, because we were talking about whether to skip him tomorrow and start hughes.
WHAT! Morgan just said Jeter has been too patient?
Moseley threw on Tuesday so he’s on 4 days.
Joe Morgan wouldnt know his butt from a hole in the wall. Too patient? The guy is as insane as Timmy McCarver!
You’d think the Yankees were at .500 with the way they’re being talked about by the ESPN crew.
lets go arod!!!!!!
love it. just as they are talking about tex being inferior to tex, he singles.
all right, let A-Rod do some damage!
# ac1 August 8th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
WHAT! Morgan just said Jeter has been too patient?
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I would think that’s a good thing for a leadoff hitter, and yes i have been told jeter has high average on first pitch swing.
Morgan is correct. Jeter had been more patient lately.
he is correct, but he said he has been failing because he hasnt been agressive.
wow,
lets go cano
That looked like a cutter.
cano is getting hot again
beckett may throw at him now
If we jump on this tool early, he’ll resort to hitting our batters and lose control of emotions
drill Beltre
well at least beckett had to work a little
damn it. an early chance and failed to capitalize
Not a bad first inning even though they didn’t score. Made him throw some pitches. Doesn’t look like he’s got his best stuff tonight, at least so far.
One RBI in the last seven games for Cano.
Beckett’s stuff didn’t look particularly good. Didn’t have plus life on his fastball. When his fastball is humming he’s often willing to try to challenge guys up in the zone. He was trying to be very careful keeping his fastball down.
His breaking ball also didn’t have the kind of bite it does when he’s really good.
Might just be the first inning – but Beckett’s stuff was fine but not great.
Looks like Michael Cera’s on the mound.
where exactly was that first pitch?
nice play Swish.
What a play. Morgan had to correct hisself.
swish has become a really good all around player
Moseley is pitching nicely. Throwing strikes and mixing offspeed in nicely.
bad luck. a scald shot, and they have a catcher playing 1B, and he makes the play. ugh
could use your first hr here lance
there you go
Berkman chugging.
Nice hustle Lance!
oh yeah!!!!
Yay berkman! Somewhere on the beach, Erica is smiling.
the Puma pounced!
Yankees have hit squared some balls up well so far.
I wish Morgan would just shut up.
how come the sux never get mad at beckett for getting them thrown at? if i were a sox player and i was hit in retaliation for beckett, i would be really mad…. at beckett.
Granderson hot hitting continues
You’d never know the Yankees have the best record in baseball if you listen to these idiot announcers….
tht was nowhere near the plate…. look overhead orel and then shut it.
Of course Gardner is in a 2 strike hole again. He never swings!
That pitch wasn’t remotely close to the black. What zone do these guys call?
Big break for Beckett if he’s going to get that call against LH hitters.
Yes!
That stellar Red Sox defense lol !
Nice AB by Gardner….made Hall hurry and he threw it away.
Pitching and defense. Gritty fundamentals at their best.
Let’s hope Gardner runs here. Beckett is very slow to the plate.
i love that they call martinez a new first baseman…. like he never played there.
gardner has got to go
Way to go Lance, where are the boo-birds now?
why isn’t Ortiz at first?…. Yeah, right!
captain
i think gardner just needs to run run run, and if he gets thrown out, so be it.
Yes Brett. You just stole us a run!
DJ!
Great job by the offense. Gardner finally steals a base and Jeter with the big base hit.
Beautiful work by Gardener. We need to see more of that.
yeah beckett looks unhittable… he’s been feeding off crap and now he gets a real lineup.
That’s the Jeter we all love
Jeter is the man!
couple of more yankee hits and Buckett will start throwing at the hitters
Funny how the Babe’s picture is above the fried dough sign…..LOL
You could see this coming from the first inning. Beckett’s stuff isn’t great.
They should keep running. Very poor throw from Cash on Gardner’s steal. He didn’t even get the ball to 2nd on a line.
ha, this is going to be a short night for joshy.
look out tex… the ball may be headed for you.
Swish is just HOT!
Now, hot Tex!
Another milestone for Jeter. That’s quite an accomplishment
Beckett is about to get that pouty face….
I think the pitching coach will tell him to pretend he is facing the Indians.
Beckett’s not trusting his fastball tonight. He’s trying to live down in the zone and his command isn’t good enough to execute that kind of game plan. He fell behind and had to elevate the ball to Swisher.
Tex should take the same approach.
he’s looking offspeed
well beckett is at 45 pitches already. runs are good, but also keep him working.
ahhh tex protect the plate, good inning, got beckett pitch count count
When did Beckett start throwing a cutter, at least that’s what it looks like. Both Tex and Alex were frozen because it looked like they didn’t expect that pitch. No matter…good inning there.
Cash and Beckett exploited the wide zone there. The zone really bails Beckett out against LH hitters because he doesn’t need to make pitches that can hurt him.
“Beckett exploited the wide zone there. The zone really bails Beckett out against LH hitters because he doesn’t need to make pitches that can hurt him.”
Where have I seen that before? Oh, in nearly every Red Sox game for each one of their pitchers, lol! It’s not a wide strike zone, it’s a Red Sox pitcher’s strike zone!
that third strike to tex was a strike i think. too close to take.
Mosely fielding his position in Greg Maddux fashion tonight.
CB August 8th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Cash and Beckett exploited the wide zone there. The zone really bails Beckett out against LH hitters because he doesn’t need to make pitches that can hurt him
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Pitch to Tex was a strike.
“When did Beckett start throwing a cutter,”
When his curve ball stopped being a plus pitch he could command.
It is a cutter. He really started throwing it last season but started using it way more this season because his curve has been very poor.
See, so I was thinking that Beckett would be hittable and Moseley would pitch well.
That’s why they play the games sportsfans!
Arod not moving too well tonight. That’s a playable ball.
I think the anti Jeter stuff is over mow
brain fart by tex?
Yea, his curveball really isn’t what it used to be. At least not tonight. That thing used to be an absolute hammer, he’s hung several already tonight and has gotten away with them so far. That first one to Tex a few minutes ago had a hit me sign on it but he took it on the first pitch.
haha, brain fart for tex. I love his reaction afterwards.
all right, Sux got free out this inning
bad play by tex
it happens. tex is the best defender we have.
Strike 3 to Tex was a strike. The first pitch of the AB was not but, was called a strike and set up the AB.
beautiful pitch by Moseley. He’s been quite good for us in these starts.
Moseley’s got such a nice easy move.
with extra out, SUx still sucks
I tell ya, I’ve been very impressed with Mosely so far. Even in his last outing he threw the ball well, just had some bad luck. That 2 seamer is a really good pitch.
SJ, would you bother with holding Cash there with a lefty batter up?
when/if hughes end the year in the pen, we have a quality pitcher to take his place.
If AJ was pitching, the Red Sox would have about 7 right now lol
NYY626 – Andy in 2011 August 8th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
Yay berkman! Somewhere on the beach, Erica is smiling.
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I had just gotten on my car when this happened.
My pretend discussion with him worked wonders!!!
On a previous thread someone said beware the unhappy Beckett – or words to that effect. He’s a dangerous animal when he’s upset.
Absolute truth.
# blake August 8th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
I tell ya, I’ve been very impressed with Mosely so far. Even in his last outing he threw the ball well, just had some bad luck. That 2 seamer is a really good pitch.
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Moseley , for the most part, looks likes he has control and command of the plate. and his FB has decent movements.
“Pitch to Tex was a strike.”
Yes I know – I also looked at the pitch on gameday to check. It was borderline but probably a strike.
That’s not what I was referring to. Where Cash was set up and the pitch Beckett even attempted was set up by the prior very wide strikes he got over that corner.
Beckett threw Tex a backdoor cut fastball – he doesn’t throw that pitch all that much. That’s the kind of pitch that Dustin Mosley will throw to try to fool a hitter. It’s a strange pitch for Beckett to throw. That’s the kind of pitch where you’re trying to thread a needle.
He had confidence in getting a wide call if needed even if he missed more than he actually did.
# SJ44 August 8th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Strike 3 to Tex was a strike. The first pitch of the AB was not but, was called a strike and set up the AB.
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According to PitchFX, Beckett didn’t throw one ball to Tex in that at bat. Even the 3rd pitch that was called a ball should have been a strike.
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CB August 8th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
“Pitch to Tex was a strike.”
Yes I know – I also looked at the pitch on gameday to check. It was borderline but probably a strike.
That’s not what I was referring to. Where Cash was set up and the pitch Beckett even attempted was set up by the prior very wide strikes he got over that corner.
Beckett threw Tex a backdoor cut fastball – he doesn’t throw that pitch all that much. That’s the kind of pitch that Dustin Mosley will throw to try to fool a hitter. It’s a strange pitch for Beckett to throw. That’s the kind of pitch where you’re trying to thread a needle.
He had confidence in getting a wide call if needed even if he missed more than he actually did
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Yeah, I totally agree with this. If you get out the umpire’s strike zone plot, he made a few calls that were way, way, way outside to the left handed hitter. So yeah, Beckett and Cash were definitely trying to take advantage of the outside corner, but it just so happened that every pitch he threw to Tex in that at bat was a strike.
great hitting by robbie
I was happy for Berkman because the fair-weather hypocrites in the Stadium didnt have a reason to make him feel unwelcome tonight. However I’m sure that if he goes more than several AB without another hit, they’ll be on him like white on rice – kind of like a lot of posters on this forum when their Yankee wind-up dolls don’t perform on command.
Erica in NY August 8th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
NYY626 – Andy in 2011 August 8th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
Yay berkman! Somewhere on the beach, Erica is smiling.
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I had just gotten on my car when this happened.
My pretend discussion with him worked wonders!!!
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Glad to hear it. I’m rooting hard for the guy. Any friend of Andy’s is a friend of mine!
“I tell ya, I’ve been very impressed with Mosely so far. Even in his last outing he threw the ball well, just had some bad luck. That 2 seamer is a really good pitch.”
That’s Mosely. He’s a guy who executes the pitches he does throw pretty well. But he doesn’t miss many bats at all so he is vulnerable to the random component of where the ball winds up once contact is made.
Even tonight – the Sox have hit some ball hard – but they’ve been right at people.
Mosley’s done a nice job. Good kind of pitcher to have as a 7nth starter.
Cashmoney,
You don’t want to concede a base in that situation.
Which is why you still hold Cash on.
posada needs to keep his head in the game.
a lancelot shot is coming imminently.
come on, PUMA BLAST!
Posada should be sat down for that
GOD BLESS YA LANCE!!!!!
HAAAAAAAAAAAA
make they pay curtis
Trisha-
I saw your team had a great week. Congratulations.
Btw- I also saw you dropped Tommy Hunter. My dad has been telling me to pick him up for like 3 weeks, but you had taken him. I told my dad this morning that I picked him up. He was more excited than I was.. lol
1 pitch? really?
MPF Berkman one base again.. YAY!!!
i dont believe it. grandy just bailed him out. that was two 1-pitch outs in the inning.
look…. if this is what wer are going to get from granderson, at least run up the pitch count.
Another quality AB by Granderson
Erica, rather than talk to Lance you need to have a talk with the rude populace that frequents Yankee Stadium! Or maybe they can have an intervention with the Cards fans.
got to start taking advantage in these rbi spots.
1 for like 7 already.
you are something no so grand, granderson.
Please tell me Grandy will be one of these post season type guys
Ace
Grandy will be one of those post season type guys.
Those are the AB’s that are frustrating watching Granderson this year.
First pitch swing and a wake fly to left. Just an awful approach in that situation.
If you are first pitch swinging in that situation, you have to be looking fastball middle in and try to drive that ball to RF.
So much of hitting is having a good plan for your AB.
In that situation, he had a poor plan and executed it even worse.
Granderson is really a non factor on this team. Is this the finished product or just 1rst yr adjustment to a new team?… I really thought out of the acquisitions, he was gonna put up some better power numbers.
Moseley’s FB is definitely moving….
Granderson sucks as a hitter, but his defense has been very impressive, gotta give him that much.
They’re talking about the confrontation between Ortiz and Lane yesterday. There’s a confrontation between Ortiz and every HP umpire that dares call a strike 3 on him.
Erica – thanks! Funny I just looked at the transactions and noticed you picked up Tommy Hunter. That’s a great pickup. You’ve made some really sweet moves this season. Another one was claiming Travis Wood. I actually tried to pull back that drop but you had already claimed him and you were ahead of me on the waiver wire. Sometimes it’s like an embarrassment of riches with the pitching, especially with the young guys like Wood and Hunter. I hated dropping Hunter but I just ran out of room. Im always impressed at your quick talent evaluation.
YEAH! That 2-2 pitch was a strike for Beckett!
BYE F’ORTIZ!
Moseley was a top pick & projected as a frontline starter. He has battled some health issues. We have to give Cashman some kudos.
Absolutely fantastic pitching by Mosley there to Ortiz.
Mosley has Ortiz 2-2 and throws him a nice change up with arm side run and hits a spot right off the corner that Beckett has been getting called for a strike all night. That’s been called a strike repeatedly. That had to be in Mosley’s mind. But Mosley doesn’t get the call.
Comes back with a very nice two seam fastball with great movement on it to K Ortiz. That’s an at bat that can easily get away from a pitcher after he misses out on what should have been a strike out the pitch before.
Not good to walk Drew in front of Beltre.
Moseley has to be very careful here.
Correct me if I wrong, but didn’t Granderson have two triples yesterday and drive in some runs and help the Yankees win the game? And yes, for those of us who love defense and think it helps wins games, Grandy has been great.
If you can appreciate what he does and put away the per AB microscope, you just might realize that he is still being productive. Maybe he’s not having the kind of season a lot of you wish he was, but oh well.
i dont believe this. he’s been great all night, and all of a sudden, he’s missing spots.
he going to give it up, but he just not good.
d@mm this offense
He had one triple yesterday and he hasn’t been great this year.
He has had a very poor year offensively.
don’t turn into vazquez here
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 8th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Erica – thanks! Funny I just looked at the transactions and noticed you picked up Tommy Hunter. That’s a great pickup. You’ve made some really sweet moves this season. Another one was claiming Travis Wood. I actually tried to pull back that drop but you had already claimed him and you were ahead of me on the waiver wire. Sometimes it’s like an embarrassment of riches with the pitching, especially with the young guys like Wood and Hunter. I hated dropping Hunter but I just ran out of room. Im always impressed at your quick talent evaluation.
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I have to give the credit to my dad. He’s been giving me advice. He’s been doing fantasy baseball for over 20 years (there was no internet then so it took dedication). He spend a lot of time on research and scouting so when he tells me to go for someone, I listen.
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NICE DUSTIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See.. no sweat.
Moseley’s got it all under control!
MOSELEY KICKED ASS!
He can be on my team any day of the week.
dodged a bullet
ahh he got lucky, i wrong. might be a smart for a 5 and done
Moseley got away with one with Kalish , who kinda of reminds me of Trot Nixon stance wise.
He made his pitch.
Big game for Moseley.
Huge break getting Kalish there in the order. Mosley lost his release point. Kalish didn’t need to swing at that pitch. He was looking for something to pull and that wasn’t a pitch to pull.
Trisha,
Anybody trying to say Granderson has been “great” this year when he clearly hasn’t, should take her own advice.
Look at his offensive numbers this year and tell me what has been “great” about them.
that changeup was up. a lot of damage could’ve been done
they keep whining about their injuries. ESPN and the Red Sox.
gardner needs to try to bunt more for hits.
The pitch Mosley got Kalish out on was a mistake. Mosley was very fortunate.
Erica, Hunter’s great. Again, I was in a no-win with pitching and had to drop some really good guys. Strasburg is coming back, Andy’s coming back and I have Yovani Gollardo, Madison Bumgardner, and picked up Lily since he went to the Dodgers. Then I have some guys stockpiled and ended up having to do the old two-starter gig, which I hate doing sometimes since I end up having to dump pitching to do it! I’m sitting with Duensing and Scherzer and I picked up Padilla for two starts next week. See the problem. Though nobody could have the problem Boston Dave does, ha ha! I don’t think he has any position players on his team!!!
Glad I have the game on mute, looks like super happy fun time in the Boston dug out.
# CR9 August 8th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
they keep whining about their injuries. ESPN and the Red Sox.
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I heard Francona on WFAN on Friday and he did everything but complain. He refused make any excuses and went as far as to say that they expect to make the playoffs and make a run. I’ve always like the guy. Red Sox ownership, on the other hand, make a statement that “it would take a miracle” for them to make the playoffs and complained incessantly about how there has never been a run of injuries this extreme.
that’s a ball
“Anybody trying to say Granderson has been “great” this year when he clearly hasn’t, should take her own advice.”
His defense has been tops. That’s what I’m talking about. Certainly not saying he’s having a great offensive year.
That CB went around the plate. Not a strike.
yanks so used to being thrown at by beckett, that the inside curve will buckle them.
iio
i didnt say francona. i said the red sox and espn. francona is not one to make excuses.
I agree about Francona. He doesn’t make excuses. ESPN does it for him.
His defense has been tops. That’s what I’m talking about. Certainly not saying he’s having a great offensive year
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IMO his defense has been OK; he was brought on board to hit, add spark to the offense – not getting it done in that department.
Important inning for Mosley here. He’s got to locate better than how he finished the inning prior. He can’t live like that and not get hurt.
The thing about one and two-run games. It’s sweet to be shutting out a team, but when you have any pitcher who is at all vulnerable, one or two runs isn’t enough. I am someone who never minds taking a one-run lead into late innings, but I don’t think it will hurt if the Yanks add on a few runs.
# CR9 August 8th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
iio
i didnt say francona. i said the red sox and espn. francona is not one to make excuses.
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I wasn’t correcting you, just relating an anecdote. Note how I agreed about the organization.
Bill freaking Hall !
get the pen up , if you can’t get out hall, you are bad.
Poor pitch by Mosley. Terrible mistake in location and Hall saw that pitch very early as a curve ball and just waited on it.
The Yankees bats better get going.
Yankees playing with fire by not scoring more runs of Beckett
“IMO his defense has been OK; he was brought on board to hit, add spark to the offense – not getting it done in that department.”
Seriously? Right he was brought to hit because you know the Yanks don’t have a potent offense, but they surely had a top-fielding CF before they got Granderson, so Granderson so playing the field had no bearing whatsoever.
Yeh, okay.
One run after 4 2/3 – I’d take that.
He’s been missing his spots to the last four hitters. It was just a matter of time.
Hanging breaking balls get crushed.
and red sox fans are suggesting ellsbury/doubront and some lower level starting pitching – not Kelley – for Adrian Gonzalez in the offseason. LOL!
# jesusmonterofordh August 8th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
get the pen up , if you can’t get out hall, you are bad.
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Simmer down.
# jesusmonterofordh August 8th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
get the pen up , if you can’t get out hall, you are bad.
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easy Jesus, Hall did a good job hitting that curve, he does have 12 hrs .
i love it. 1 run and someone is calling for the pen in the 5th?
that was a very quick bounceback from the HR. Excellent Moseley. We got everything we could have hoped for from him. Let’s go offense, help the kid out!
Moseley still holding up here. Let’s see if we can get two more of this.
but hall is really bad. last 2 inning he been getting the ball.
pretty sure if mosley pitches the 6th with the score the way it is .
could be a problem.
pen rested cc gave up the pen rest besides mo
6 inn. for Moseley and mix & match the bullpen. I’ll be happy!!!!!!
Well Moseley’s eligible for the win! Good job getting through 5 in style.
CB – yes, the Yanks can’t rely on those two runs to hold up, but I think Moseley is holding up his end. One run after 5, against Boston – that’s not bad.
This would be a good time to get the bats going, but Beckett looks like he’s gotten into his rhythm and gotten command.
Two horrible at bats there for the Sox. They made Mosely’s life much, much easier. Ellsbury sees one pitch – a two seamer on the outside that he tries to pull and of course rolls over on. Scutaro check swings a change up that was probably a ball.
Unless the Yankees pick up a few more runs this inning, IMO got to the bullpen to give the Sox hitters a different look.
Trisha,
Curtis Granderson wasn’t brought here to just be a defensive CF.
He hit 30 HR’s last year and the Yankees were looking to upgrade their offense in CF from Melky.
Especially for a guy that had 20 million remaining on his contract.
He was brought in here to hit and to date, he has had a very poor offensive year.
YEAH! We got the run right back!
wow
Tex message
well, TEXXXXXXED!
TEIX
Thanks for listening, Mark.
And Tex just got that run back for Moseley. That was a bomb.
Moseley is doing really good especially for a spot starter. If he good give at least 1 more inning I would say that he did a great job.
A Tex message
That was an absolute missle. Tex is staying on the ball so much better and driving through it. That was impressive.
I’d stick with Moseley.
He’s hanging in there.
If he can survive the 6th, it’s much easier to work in the pen.
I wouldn’t give him a long leash but, he should start the 6th.
Good take and patience!
I’ve been really impressed by the athletic ability of Mosely. He’s tired a little bit here of late but he was right on his spots those first 4 innings and fields his position very well. He seems like he is a servicable guy to have. Not an ace by any means but a guy who can eat up some innings and give pretty decent outings.
Let’s hope A-Rod doesn’t take one in the wrist from that dirt bag now
Beckett with terrible pitch execution. He really doesn’t have his good fastball tonight.
You could tell that during the at bat when he struck Tex out. Beckett usually tried to challenge Tex up higher in the zone. He’s been throwing him junk. In this at bat he tries to start him with change up and then alter the patter by going to fastball’s low in the zone. He doesn’t have the life on the ball to trust his stuff up.
And you can’t miss in that location to Tex. He’s going to crush that pitch – his swing is designed to punish those pitches.
here we go with the hbp
gotta throw at them now
That was not intentional. Good take of the HBP!
right on cue
SJ he was brought here for both purposes. He’s gotten some key hits and helped to win some games but he hasn’t had a stunning year.
He’s made great defensive plays. For SOME of us, his season hasn’t been a waste.
I have a great deal of patience with players. They’re not wind-up dolls. I understand the disappointment of fans who wanted more from him, but oh well. He went on the DL too, so maybe that has affected his hitting.
In any event, he hasn’t had a sparkling season but he hasn’t been a wash.
BECKETT HAS WOKEN UP! If you can’t get them out, hit them.
isnt that the second time beckett has hit cano?
BS that there is no warning. then need to throw at someone.
great walk arod.
i pulled him, minus lefty killer martinez.
let logan face them.
poor robbie hit.
lets go posada
Weird reaction by Cano. Wasn’t intentional but I don’t give Beckett much leadway given his reputation on that stuff.
He wasn’t throwing at him. It was a cutter that got away.
If you are throwing at somebody, you aren’t throwing a cutter.
second time in the back knee too
Robbie took one for the team
ac1 August 8th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
BS that there is no warning. then need to throw at someone
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Haha, I hope you’re kidding.
trisaha curtis has been bad with the bat all year, same with jeter and arod
bunt posada. too late now
what happened to “if you dont throw strikes, you’re not going to get calls.”
The first pitch to Posada was outside.
wasnt intentional, but odd that he is right back to pitching accurate
Here comes the Beckett melt down…
Can’t let this opportunity get away. May not get another.
Moseley = really impressive!
One more inning like the others and he also has a QS.
Not bad for a guy who learned several hours ago that tonight’s game was his.
I think we have a warrior on our hands! And hell, how about that for a sixth starter in your rotation!
There’s no way Josh Beckett is going to try to hit a Yankee with a low cutter darting towards the hitter’s foot.
Beckett isn’t subtle when he’s throwing at guys.
i was half sarcastic, but i believe beckett will still hit players and the yankees need to scare him away.
There’s no way Josh Beckett is going to try to hit a Yankee with a low cutter darting towards the hitter’s foot.
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he hit cano in the knee a couple months ago.
No! That was ball 4! Probably forced to swing at it by the HP umpire’s calls the rest of the game!
jesusmontero, it’s all good. My Yankee glass is always half full.
I see glory days ahead with Berkman leading the charge!
Berkman stinks.
look at berkman!
MPF Lance Berkman = AWESOME
great job berkman WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Lance!!
THE BIG PUMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
YEAH! Great opposite field stroke!
Beckett near 100 pitches in the 5th. Puma 3 for 3
SIR LANCE
So. Happy. For. Lance.
Go Puma. If confidence counts in sports, he’s going to get hot.
Fat freaking Elvis!
i don’t believe it. lance dorkman 3 for 3. trade him now. his value will never be higher
Hot Lance!
wow lance berkman
good thing no one gave up on berkman after 22 ABs hahaha
Hey what a surprise if you give Lance Berkman more than 20 at bats he can do things.
Wonderful swing from Berkman. Just beautiful going the other way.
Yeah, Lets hear them boos for Berkman.
Good for Berkman. Now we’ll see if Granderson can get another run or two in.
the thing i love about granderson is that he could go yard right now.
come on Granderson , let’s see a good AB here.
Great AB for Berkman.
This game may settle him down and get him comfortable.
Big AB for Curtis. Good time for a productive AB.
Bury the sox now!!!!!
granderson, please don’t pop it up in the infield
Does this mean that Berkman’s a “True Yankee” now (A-Rod reference intended)?
Berkman is just a professional hitter. You can tell by just looking at him in the box. Once he gets more swings after being hurt he is going to be huge for the Yanks. The guy can flat out rake.
Yes! Nice patience!
all right, finish him right here
THEYRE GIVING HIM A STANDING O!!!
Nothing makes me happier than to see that appreciation, even though they were horrid to him yesterday.
That’s why they call it an NYC second.
lets go brett!!!!!!!!
Well, Samuel Beckett want nothing to do with the GRandyman there.
Squeeze play
is there a bigger baby than josh beckett?
Puma starting to get comfortable. That was a great swing. Professional hitter at the bottom of the lineup that could be huge down the stretch and in the playoffs.
Erica,
The pretend conversation that you had with Lance was just what the doctor ordered. Good job!!!
Mosley could be the 2010 version of Aaron Smalls
man gardner’s at .284. still good. need a hit here
It’s so funny to think back to the beginning of last season on this board. There were dozens and dozens of posts about how Sabathia was “over rated” and only an “innings eater” rather than a true “ace.”
And the guy who was always used as a measuring stick for the greatness that simply eluded CC was Josh Beckett.
CC was no Josh Beckett. He wasn’t a “big game pitcher” or a “shut down guy.”
The patience of Yankee fans.
Those posts were correct in one thing – CC certainly is not at the same level of pitcher as Josh Beckett.
Granderson must have sat Berkman down and told him that if he had a good game against the Sox he could go hitless for the next 3 months and not hear one boo.
# blake August 8th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Puma starting to get comfortable. That was a great swing. Professional hitter at the bottom of the lineup that could be huge down the stretch and in the playoffs.
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it will wear out starting pitchers come post season…
Don’t try to do too much BG. Slap it around.
SAS August 8th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Erica,
The pretend conversation that you had with Lance was just what the doctor ordered. Good job!!!
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Thank you. I am glad to help
those are close. gardner needs to swing the bat.
“CC was no Josh Beckett. He wasn’t a “big game pitcher” or a “shut down guy.””
lol.
Come on Brett. Hit one where they aint.
thanks martinez
give gardner the rbi for that one
YEAH! Got the run home!
dreadful at bat by brett.
martinez pulled a posada
nasty cutter again
Fat Elvis was almost caught off 3rd eating a peanut butter sandwich.
Boy – classic case of trying to do too much.
Cano’s big head comes in handy.
come on jeet. 2 runners waiting to score…
i mean cash
oops, yankees mole cash
Gardner fails again.
The Captain!
yeah espn, beckett looks to be back on top of his game.
Goodbye Beckett!
Smell you later
Not a good AB by Gardner but I’m not sure what the heck Cash is doing there. Thats a really tough throw and a pretty dumb play….we’ll take it though.
Jeter is the man.
JETERRRRRRRRRR bye bye beckett.
ok mosley can pitch the 6th
jesusmonterofordh
it’s Cash, you idiot. You’re not even a Yankees fan!
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How come you’re not yelling on the Jeter double, JON MILLER????????????????????????????????????????????????
That’s right, you’re Red Sox Jon MIller!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How many people on this blog are there that don’t have a clue that Victor Martinez is at 1B? That throw was by Kevin Cash.
His luck ran out. See ya!
I love Jeter and will never bash him, but im really glad hes looking like derek jeter again
The Captain is starting to swing it down the stretch. Thats the swing we all know and love right there…..I love it….get pouty out of there before he throws a tantrum.
Catching has been a problem all year for the sox and I have no compassion. Jeter big 2 out hit. My CAPTAIN
All the blogs who proclaimed Jeters death should write apologies.
Granderson has hurt this team much more than he has helped it & if you don’t think that cashman & girardi are not disappointed with his production you are wrong,they have to be.
He is having a very similar year to melky & melky is having an absolutely terrible year.
Granderson is about a league average cf if you look up his stats.
They did not bring him here to be a melky for more money,trust regardless of fans opinions.
I am sure the yankees would sacrifice some of his defense for more offense,maybe a lot more & against lh pitchers he should be a batboy.
Good gift from Cash.
As Gardner continues to grow as a player, he is going to learn that he has to be more aggressive in RBI situations.
He takes too many fastballs early in counts in those spots.
Pitchers know that and take advantage of it.
In time, he will adjust and make pitchers pay….like Jeter just did in that AB.
What an absolute fool you’d have to be to write off Derek Jeter!!!
blake, I’ll bet Cash pretty much knew that Beckett’s stuff might have been good enough the get out Gardner but no way was he going to get past Jeter. Catcher’s take chances like that when they know their pitchers are done.
i can’t stand big baby buckett. nothing makes me more happy than to see him implode in yankee stadium. don’t know who i hate more – him, papelbum or youk
How many times did Mike Francessa fawn over Josh Beckett – the greates big game pitcher of his generation?
For years so many Yankee fans bowed at the alter of Josh Beckett – and when you look at his body of work he’s never been all that great. Good – yes. Never great. Not even close.
And now it’s the Yankees who are in Beckett’s head.
The gritty red sox playing more fundamentally sound baseball and Beckett just stepping up huge in what’s an absolute must win game for his team.
Why can’t the yankees be more like the model organization in the game?
Beckett is like the little girl with the curl. When she’s on, she’s incredible. When she’s not…look out.
Gardner was hitting well with 2 strikes for a while but he seems to always be down 0-2. I know he takes pitches but imo he probably should be a little more aggressive earlier in the count if he gets a pitch he can handle. You can’t keep getting down 0-2 and expect to be successful….
So can we call Beckett washed up yet? I’d like to.
“How many times did Mike Francessa fawn over Josh Beckett – the greates big game pitcher of his generation?”
Are you serious?! Francessa praises this fat pig bully Beckett!! LOL! Typical Red Sox fan!
save some runs for Hughes tomorrow.
“The patience of Yankee fans.”
CB, I think that sums up about 90% of what we read here. Well okay, maybe 87%.
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I don’t believe these words are coming out of my mouth but I actually feel pity for the Sux. They are absolutely atrocious and it’s almost painful to watch them play. Yes I know they have been inundated with injuries. But it still painful to watch this little league play. Very sad.
By the way, Pete just had a good one on twitter:
PeteAbe
Lance Berkman hasn’t been this happy since the time he and Barney told Wilma and Betty they were working and really went bowling
6 minutes ago via TweetDeck
3 nasty pitches by mdc.
i messed up the cash thing, so called me an idiot
What a great job by mosely & a treat instead of burnett.
Fantastic job so far.
“Not a good AB by Gardner”
I wonder if Gardner’s hands still aren’t’ right.
He’s not physically swinging the bat well. he’s back to that useless helicopter swing he had last season. We’re seeing that swing far more often then we ever did early in the season. May be because pitchers are throwing him more off speed stuff – but his swing has regressed.
Name calling is a substitute for a lack of insight.
[By the way, Pete just had a good one on twitter:
PeteAbe
Lance Berkman hasn’t been this happy since the time he and Barney told Wilma and Betty they were working and really went bowling]
And Pete hasn’t been this sad since McDonald’s stopped serving the McRib
Do we get any kind of post game from YES? Or is it just right to Baseball Tonight, where they will wax poetic about how a Sux team at full strength would have easily handled the Yankees, after all the Sux have the 2nd best rotation in baseball, after the Rays?
Told you the boos would turn to cheers for Berkman
Goodbye Beckett!
Smell you later
I can’t believe that replaced goodbye
I feel no pity for the Red Sox. None.
From ownership on down, I tired of the “Little Engine That Could” act long ago.
Aside from Tito and a few guys on the team that are class acts, the rest of them I feel nothing for.
nice try cano
Don’t ever, ever pity the sox
“He’s not physically swinging the bat well. he’s back to that useless helicopter swing he had last season. ”
That and he’s just taking a lot of seemingly good pitches and getting himself in bad counts. I like that he’s trying to see pitches but he was successful early in the year when he was aggressive swinging at strikes. Hopefully its just a lull and he’ll get back to what was working earlier in the season.
SJ44 August 8th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
I feel no pity for the Red Sox. None.
From ownership on down, I tired of the “Little Engine That Could” act long ago.
Aside from Tito and a few guys on the team that are class acts, the rest of them I feel nothing for.
BEAUTIFUL POST!!!
Hurtle the weak. Trample the dead.
# trisha – true pinstriped blue August 8th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
Do we get any kind of post game from YES? Or is it just right to Baseball Tonight, where they will wax poetic about how a Sux team at full strength would have easily handled the Yankees, after all the Sux have the 2nd best rotation in baseball, after the Rays?
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I’m pretty sure there’s a post game on YES after the game
GordonEdes Beckett vs. Yanks this season: 11.17 ERA 24 ER in 19 1/3 IP
Hurdle
“Told you the boos would turn to cheers for Berkman”
Fondo, fans with class don’t boo members of the team they root for. There shouldn’t have been boos period. 22 AB and you’re going to kill a guy! Disgusting.
The 170 million dollar little engine…..
ESPN just keeps whining about their injuries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DUSTIN DP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
great turn by tex
dp nice mosley.
mosley been downright franistic
good job moseley
Nice DP from Nancy
Moseley = eligible for win, definite QS no matter what.
ESPN, what about the Phillies? They have lost many key players as well this year. And yet they are in 1st place or a game out of 1st place in spite of all those injuries – in the difficult NL East.
Tex having a good ol’ time in the field.
Moseley fielding his position very well tonight.
Like how Mosely got over to cover on that play. CC/AJ take note…
Great double play by Tex. One of the things that makes him such a great defender is how accurate his arm is…..a first baseman that can throw is such a big plus. He’s both a textbook and highlight reel over there.
can these guys stop talking about the Sox injuries already?..how many games did Arod miss last year?…..
sj
you know the media drinks the redsox koolaid.
the media never gave the yanks a passed in 08, they wanted giradri fired.
Trisha-
This morning I made the following post:
Erica in NY August 8th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Bold prediction:
Within two weeks, Berkman will be hitting and people will be worshipping him
non sequitur, I think John Henry and John Maddon both can vie for the next Bond Villain contest… Henry reminds me of demented Andy Worhol who wants to be Truman Capote.
SJ, you have to remember who I am. I feel bad for teams that don’t win, teams that get slaughtered, teams that don’t have the payroll for good players, I just feel bad. But it is the first time I ever remember feeling bad for the Sux. Very confusing for me.
Hey – I just learned that the reason why Josh Beckett stunk tonight – yet again against the Yanks and choked in a big game – is because Kevin Youkilis is hurt.
It’s amazing how that works.
I guess that’s the kind of team work only a gritty grindy team can have. The first baseman control’s the execution of pitches.
Wakefield is developing a nice beer league gut….
Dustin Moseley may be the best fielding starting pitcher the Yankees have had since Moose.
That’s the third outstanding play he’s made tonight.
I told Betsy the past three days I felt Moseley would match up well against this lineup if he kept his sinker down in the zone.
Now you see why Cash didn’t want to lose him.
He’s the ideal #6-7 starter on a team like the Yankees.
He’s done a great job tonight.
A-Rod is good at hitting Wakefield
Don’t ever feel bad for the Sox. Find a natural disaster to feel sorry for instead.
# Erica in NY August 8th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
Trisha-
This morning I made the following post:
Erica in NY August 8th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Bold prediction:
Within two weeks, Cashmoney will be the greatest and people will be worshipping him
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why thank you , Erica
Wonder how the Sox are feeling about those last 2 starting pitcher contracts they dealt out….Lackey and Beckett not trending upward and a lot of money and years left on those deals.
Erica, perfect prediction!
My prediction wasn’t quite as bold, but I had the Yankees taking 3 out of 4 and definitely winning tonight’s game against Beckett with Moseley pitching.
(However, do you remember the last time I gave any kind of nod to the Sux Me either.)
If only Beckett could pitch just against the A’s and Indians……
Cashman seems to find one of these guys every year, a little known starting pitcher that comes in and really helps the team down the stretch.
“Wonder how the Sox are feeling about those last 2 starting pitcher contracts they dealt out….Lackey and Beckett not trending upward and a lot of money and years left on those deals.”
Those contracts speak volumes for what the Sox truly believe about the quality of arms they have in the minor leagues.
And how they act in free agency this winter will say a great deal about what they think about the quality of power hitters they have in the minors.
gimpy leg and all
300 sb
Another bold prediction: within two weeks Gardner will be at .250 and people will be booing him. Note to Yankee fans: it’s called the Bronx cheer for a reason, if you don’t perform on the biggest stage your going to hear it. This isn’t Houston, if you don’t want to hear boos you can have a very good career in a town where baseball is as relevant as Jai Lai.
Cashmoney August 8th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
why thank you , Erica
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LOL
Ummm… sure. Anything you say!
I thought there was no sign of Joe Torre at the NYS – according to McCarver!
#300 stolen base
That’s steal #300, isn’t it?
Can we predict that Hughes will pitch on Friday? I’m trying to plan which game to go to. Thanks for any insight here!
Fondo, I think I’m going to need a baseball intervention. Anyone here who knows me at all knows that there is probably nobody less forgiving than I when it comes to anything Sux.
Maybe I can’t kick sand in the face of the skinny guy at the beach, no matter who he is. I don’t know.
I guarantee you that I wouldn’t be feeling this way if they had Pukey at first and the elf at short.
nice play by martinez
Doesn’t really matter who’s behind the plate. The Yankees running wild. Might as well have had Lowell instead of Cash. Not that I’m complaining.
” if you don’t want to hear boos you can have a very good career in a town where baseball is as relevant as Jai Lai.”
Except that baseball is certainly relevant in St. Louis and virtually nary a boo is heard there.
I always thought for the longest time that Tim Wakefield was a very pivotal part of Red Sox team. on top of it, He normally fared well against the Yankees.
Erica, Cashmoney is a sweetie and will always tip his cap to good predicting!
Third player with 500 and 600 homers and 300 steals. Barry Bonds and Willie Mays.
CB,
Problem for the Sox this winter is that much of that great free agent class everyone was talking about last year is gone. They could target Jason Werth, but do you really know what you’re getting there? Ortiz and Beltre having good seasons may put them in a tricky spot as to whether or not to re-sign them. I’d be very hesitant with either one of those guys. It’ll be an interesting off-season to say the least.
Whether it’s an intervention or an exorcism, get over it. Don’t ever root for the Sox
Posada certainly hasn’t looked good lately. Why doesn’t he just have the cyst drained. It’s no big deal-little local-long humungous needle-pop goes the cyst. lol
cb,
you’re right. this offseason will tell you just how good their farm system is, at least in their estimation.
lars anderson was supposed to be the next albert pujols. could he even hit 250 in the show now?
they just have so many needs and there’s not really a franchise changing position player on the market this year.
i do think that they’ll sign carlos pena
Does anyone know the promo code for baseball-parking.com?
I was looking to get a little cheaper rate for the parking tomorrow at the Yankees game.
“He’s the ideal #6-7 starter on a team like the Yankees. ”
Mama mia, talk about a slice of heaven. Seriously, Moseley in the pen as a potential spot starter? Talk about an embarrassment of riches!
I am pscyhed to go to tomorrow’s game.
Note to Yankee fans who boo your own players….you aren’t fans, you are bandwagon fans.
Making your opinion worthless.
Bel Tray was barely safe at 2nd base. Joba warming up
Didn’t Beltre sign a sweetheart deal for only 1 year? If so, what other teams would be interested in signing him? I’m sure that the Sox would love to have him back, but it’ll cost them more this time around.
1 down, 2 more mosley
I’m not so sure the Sox want Beltre back.
Hughes is pitching tomorrow so he will not pitch friday,saturday the earliest.
“Whether it’s an intervention or an exorcism, get over it. Don’t ever root for the Sox”
Fondo, um, I’d stick pins in my eyes before I’d ever root for the Sux. In a world series I will root for the NL team over the Sux – not that they will ever be there again.
However, I just feel pity for what they’ve become. They’re hideous.
blake-
That’s why this off season will be an interesting index of how they feel about what they can do internally. There really aren’t any true difference makers available in the off season in terms of hitters.
I mean after all – this is the organization with the best farm system in baseball so they shouldn’t really need to make painful free agent moves that they don’t want to.
They have guys like Ryan Kalish who we’ve heard about since they were drafted several years ago. This was an organization that was always going to have a bright future and could always behave like rational actors because they had a set of management processes in place which could produce young talent without a problem.
Beltre has a $5 million option up to $10 million, which he should almost certainly decline, with Boras as his agent and his current MVP year.
“Note to Yankee fans who boo your own players….you aren’t fans, you are bandwagon fans.
Making your opinion worthless.”
Hear hear!
What did they see with Mosely?
Fonzo,
Why not? His defense is superb, his bat has been revitalized. Lowell is history. Did Gammons mention the name of Beltre’s superduper-replacement?
remember when Betsy was adamant that Mosely be skipped because a Monday game in an early August series was so very important…..
ahhhhhhh cheap hit
Did Girardi think Beltre was stealing signs?
Did Girardi think Beltre was stealing signs?
Standing O for Mosely.
(((Standing Ovation))) for Moseley!
m – I just don’t see the Sox spending the money. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with performance
“I’m not so sure the Sox want Beltre back.”
Geeze Louise, the guy is one of the best two-out hitters in the league and has been one of their only productive players this season. Why wouldn’t they want him back!
Great job Moseley, would have left him in if I was manager…
great job mosley, done everything you could.
I hope the Sox sign Beltre after this season, this looks exactly like his last Dodger year and next year the Sox will get Seattle Beltre
Mosely has turned out to be such a good pickup. It is not so bad for a team to have 6 good starting pitchers. He did his job tonight.
Tears of happiness for Moseley’s standing ovation.
Tears of happiness for Moseley’s standing ovation.
Goob job Moseley. I would rather see Robertson in this spot with guys on base but Joba was already warming up.
Really nice game as Moseley continues to surprise and impress. Only maybe three mistakes against these guys is good.
beltre is better than he played in seattle. that field is huge. he will benefit as a red sox from playing at fenway.
Trisha
One problem with Beltre. The guy only shows up when a contract is on the line. Any team that is dumb enough to sign Beltre to a big contract needs some serious help.
I don’t know. The Sox have money to burn. And they’re going to have to rebuild their team to keep up with the Yankees. A $170M team that needs to be rebuilt.
No wonder John Henry keeps crying. It’s expensive being a 2nd or 3rd place team.
Can’t say enough about the job Mosely did tonight. He was terrific. Had that spell of losing his command but got through it. His two seamer had nice movement and he did a good job mixing in his curve ball and change up.
That two seamer gives him a nice tool to keep LH hitters honest and it’s those kinds of match ups that often kill pitcher’s like Mosley.
Let’s see Joba come in and continue throwing like he has been the past couple of appearances.
# trisha – true pinstriped blue August 8th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
“I’m not so sure the Sox want Beltre back.”
Geeze Louise, the guy is one of the best two-out hitters in the league and has been one of their only productive players this season. Why wouldn’t they want him back!
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I would imaging Sox making a choice 2/3 out of Ortiz, Vmart and Beltre, if I was a betting man , i would say , Sox will let Vmart go and go after Werth or that ilk.
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Thanks ron.
Joba time, don’t tip your hat!
Because Bel tray’ is 31 and has been pretty mediocre in his career when not in a contract year. Maybe he’s really turned a corner this time and playing at Fenway can’t hurt but that track record would be enough for me to at least give pause to a long term deal with him.
Joba has the same amount of hits given up as he does strikeouts. That’s weird…
more bad luck.
sox have a rally because 2 cheap hits
this red sox team must have the most infield singles. every damn game, infield singles.
That steal by A-rod is the 300th of his career.
So, now A-Rod has 600 HRss and 300 steals joining the exclusive club of Mays and Bonds.
What is going on with the defense ? One slow hit ball and Jeter and A-rod can’t get to it.
You didn’t do anything wrong, Joba. Keep it together and don’t let bad luck get you down!
Speaking of last-minute replacement pitchers against the Sux, remember the day Kei Igawa came into the game when Jeff Karstens was hurt in the first inning and absolutely shut the Sux down?
Poor Kei. He really had nasty stuff when he didn’t think too hard about what he was doing.
Nice catch by Gardner!!
need 1 more out
Spoken like a true Red Sox fan, Orel!
CB,
What do you think? The Red Sox pick up Ortiz’s option? Or do they try to renogiate and extend?
Beltre’s had two truly great years in his career – both have been in his walk years.
Signing him long term is a real risk. The team that signs him will be paying for his 2010 production and he hasn’t shown the capacity to produce at a consistent level in the past.
Cashmoney, as long as F’Ortiz keeps his supply of undetectable PED, he’ll be a valued member of the Sux.
COME ON JOBA!
If the Sox go out and re-sign Beltre and then give a contract to Werth then that’s a lot of risk in two position players IMO.
Come on Joba you can’t walk Scutaro…
walking guys on 3-2 sliders….why!
What a STUPID pitch
Joba, why not throw 3-2 fast ball?
tell me a reason.
JobA (*&%^%$$^&&*&$
3-2 slider with a five run lead???? What??? Why??
So-So Joba outing.
What are you doing Joba-not throwing the fastball.
joba a disgrace.
anyone with good contact skills righthanded he can’t get out.
Joba is terrible. They really screwed this kid up.
Joe Morgan, “The man with a 96mph fastball throws him a slider outside of the zone.”
ugh
Not your fault Joba. You threw 4 strikes in the AB, and a devastating 2-2 pitch that was spit on by Scutaro. And you gave up a bad luck hit.
Made no sense to pitch to Scutaro like a power hitter.
Feel sorry for the other team when the game ends
Serious question. When was the last slider he threw for a strike?
no, Joba screws up himself.
Joba is awful…what a joke.
I hope he is traded this offseason.
You know, this has to be a moment when good things happen to good people, only because I want to declare it so.
Dustin Moseley deserves to have the rest of this lead protected and so I am counting on Boone Logan to get the job done.
My love remains at full tilt no matter what happens, but I am protective of Moseleys outing.
last year was a beltre walk year too…. how did he do?
m-
Ortiz has had a solid season – and they desperately need his power bat. I can’t see him being happy or willing to take a pay cut unless there are some strange extenuating circumstances.
Perhaps if they offer him a slightly lower AAV – but then they’ll have to lock him up for at least two years which I can’t see them wanting to do.
The notion of the sox being able to sign Ortiz for an AAV of 8m or so seems like a stretch. He’s been very bad against LH pitching this season but otherwise he’s done what they’ve needed him to do as a DH.
We’ll see – this is one of those moves that will be very telling for how they see their internal options.
Joba the head case with the famous 3-2 slider. Robertson should of been brought instead. You can’t walk garbage like Scutaro. He got ahead and then nibbled.
Can’t throw that #%## slider at 3-2 to Scutaro.
His low pitching IQ bites him in the butt again.
Scutaro was late on every FB Joba threw him.
No reason to throw a slider.
Big moment now for Logan.
Didn’t Joba throw what the catcher called for?
He did not execute well.
The Red Sox 3-4-5 hitters in this game are all going to be FA’s this season, which should make things very interesting.
Chamberlain is still his own worst enemy.
One swing could make it 7-6.
Let’s see what this Yankee bullpen can do here.
oh please, CR9, don’t defend JOba blindly.
3-2 slider with 5 run lead please explain
I really expected Joba to leave the mound…but after the third out was made.
When will Joba get a brain and figure out that everyone knows that he doesn’t throw the slider for strikes so no one swings at it.
Late checking in here, but I hope no one has been knocking Jeter tonight. I’ve said all year that he’s the least of our worries. Now, even Berkman got in on the party ! Tex is rolllin’ !
Always wanna abuse Beckett, as he has thrown at so many Yank hitters ! And it’s almost fun watching that little turkey PEDroia on the bench !
if ortiz hits a slam, miller may have an orgasm.
The only disgrace I see is fans who trash players who are trying their best. But that’s just me.
Who ever called 3-2 slider please explain
Please trade Joba, please do so.
Well, they took a risk with Nancy Drew.
lol. I asked my daughter to look up the Lemon Drop movie. Looks like Aly Leiter. She’s all, “Lauter”? I’m like oops. “He’s a pitcher, haha”
Let Joba throw 3-2 sliders in the minors. He will never learn.
Posada and Joba both deserve blame for the pitch selection. They met on the mound right before he threw the slider.
question is why didnt posada insist on a fastball..
3-2 slider with five run lead??? Still don’t get
This is where I’m a fan of using your closer. Ortiz can make this a 7-6 game with one swing. Games aren’t always decided in the ninth, I’d like to see managers start to recognize these kind of situations and become freer with when they use their most valuable asset.
ugh…. please dont walk him.
This is going to be a disaster. Can anyone get big outs besides Mo and maybe Robertson?!?!?!?
Big pitch here
Joba to the 6th inning now. Can’t be trusted
Omg, are they actually going to bring the tying run to the plate this inning? The Yankees have already blown THREE 5-run leads to the Sox this season…isn’t that enough??
I hope Joba will be asked for the last pitch selection in postgame.
One more strike, please. Can’t be that hard, right?
Isn’t the pitcher still in charge ?
just throw the fastball over and hope for the best. he doesnt hit lefties anymore.
I’m not going to get on Joba because it did look like he was on the comeback trail.
But yeah, you could set a clock by 3-2 slider.
ac1 August 8th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
question is why didnt posada insist on a fastball..
Agree
Yes! good job Logan
Good job Boone
oh my, ESPN is disappointed
Sox still suck !
Thank you Logan
thank you logan. see a fastball.
joba will never get it
man ortiz was booking it like someone was about to take the last double cheeseburger.
Joba threw the pitch he wanted to throw. He always throws 3-2 sliders. It doesn’t work but that’s what he’s “comfortable” throwing so that’s what he throws.
That’s the entire reason for why Posada and Joba couldn’t get on the “same page.” Posada wanted to throw what made sense – Joba wanted to throw what’s silly and doesn’t make sense and wouldn’t get off of it.
It’s on Joba. He’s clearly set the patter for how he wants to pitch. And it doesn’t seem like the outcomes he’s producing influence his decision making much.
Amazing – on a 3-2 count a reliever throws a fastball and gets the hitter to ground out weakly.
What a novel concept.
BIG BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE LOGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THROW STRIKES BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joba didnt do a damn thing wrong. His first 4 pitches to the Scutaro were strikes.
Logan walks the tightrope and arrives, shakily, on the other side.
Take ur time Marte…
Huge out Logan!!! Way to battle back
Great Job Logan…..made him swing the bat.
Not sure why Jorge didn’t make Joba challenge Scooter there 3-2 but Joba is the one with the ball.
Never saw Ortiz run that fast up the line.
Trisha,
I agree about trashing Yankees; however, watching Joba the last couple of years has been painful to say the least as it was again tonight.
THANK YOU GOD IN HEAVEN AND EVERYTHING IN THE YANKEE UNIVERSE!!!
I was watching Logan on the mound and saw the GMS over his heart and asked the Boss to do what he could to help Logan guide that pitch where he needed it to be.
THANK YOU GOD IN HEAVEN AND EVERYTHING IN THE YANKEE UNIVERSE!!!
I was watching Logan on the mound and saw the GMS over his heart and asked the Boss to do what he could to help Logan guide that pitch where he needed it to be.
Huuuuuuuuuuge out by Mr. Logan right there
Sort of touchy pitching by Logan, but, good results. That infield roller caused a lot of anxious moments among the Yankee Faithless.
SJ, you did say that – and you were right. I never actually criticized Moseley when I said I thought Phil should pitch; what I said was that Phil is the better pitcher – big difference. In any case, fantastic job by Mosely – I’m very surprised by him.
That said, I’m happiest for Sir Lancelot – and still ticked off at those spoiled brat fans that booed him.
Joba has been cornered.
He’s learning the hard way to throw the fastball more.
If not?
Get pulled.
There are hungry guys out there for the 8th to contend with in Logan and Robertson.
The real issue is Joba refuses to pitch inside anymore. Every hitter is way too comfy
how did joba get the idea that he is in charge? if posada wants a 3-2 fastball, that should be what happens, comfort or not.
Now if we can just get the Boss to call pitches for Joba.
SAS, I’m with Mel. Joba had been doing a pretty nice job has last times out so I refuse to open the trash can or say lousy things because of tonight. I just won’t.
SJ44 August 8th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Can’t throw that #%## slider at 3-2 to Scutaro.
His low pitching IQ bites him in the butt again.
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How do they let him get away with it?
Joe oughtta sit him down and tell him to stop shaking off signs.
You know CB, I don’t think Joba will ever get it.
Look at Boone Logan.
He made adjustments in season and he has now become a weapon for the Yankees in the bullpen.
Joba? This is his FOURTH year in the majors. The entire league knows he can’t throw sliders for strikes, ALWAYS throws them at 3-2, and everybody lays off of it.
That’s why he is a now just a guy in the pen with a near 6 ERA and nothing more.
Its sad because he should be so much better and he isn’t.
You are right, its ALL on Joba.
Can’t baby him anymore. Use him in blowout games, like Girardi is doing, and avoid him in closer games. Which he is also doing at this point.
I hate seeing people squander talent and he is squandering it in a big way because he refuses to adjust.
And the question is this: I know it happens to a lot of pitchers, but should Joba have had to get 4 strikes to get an out?
Eiland and Girardi have to have a meeting with Joba. Tell him you will throw what the catcher calls for and no more of this bs. No more 3-2 sliders, 2-0 sliders, especially no sliders when the batters can’t catch up to your fastball. He must lead every pitcher in baseball in 3-2 counts. He pitches like a moron. It’s time to teach him some baseball IQ.
Logan’s issue is that he doesn’t have good command of his slider and he’s still not seeing that his fastball is good enough to get LH hitters out because it’s got a lot of life on it.
During his first sting in the bigs Logan tried to act like a conventional LH reliever. He came in to face LH hitters and threw a lot of sliders. The problem is that he doesn’t command his slider that well – even now.
But when he’s aggressive with his fastball he’s a much better pitcher. The slider is the pitch that gets him in trouble.
The umps caused Joba to throw the 3-2 slider!!
Hey, wasn’t Joba’s witching hour August 8th or something?
ESPN=Exclusive Sox Patriots Network….
It is so nice to hear ESPN guys say nice things about Moseley. He really did a great job tonight and deserves the credit.
RE: Ortiz -
With what DHs getting paid these days, for the Sox to keep Ortiz at his current salary would be pretty extravagant. The Sox haven’t shown that shown that sort of behavior, though I guess they could change. It will make for interesting theatre this off season.
i find gardner a bit frustrating too…
curtis just missed a cheap hr, d@mm
ZMAN August 8th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
The umps caused Joba to throw the 3-2 slider!!
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Joba caused Joba to throw the 3-2 slider.
If anyone thinks it is okay to throw a 3-2 slider with a five run lead in that situation just doesn’t understand baseball
He pitches like a moron. It’s time to teach him some baseball IQ.
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Why do they give in to him?
When he shakes off a sign , he is shaking off Girardi or Pena or Eiland, whoever is calling the pitch. Even if it is Posada, the next time he shakes someone off, yank him. He’ll stop.
SJ44
You just finished saying that others that boo – in this case, you’re trashing Joba – players are bandwagon fans.
Why would you think that Joba will never get it? He is only 24 or 25 years old. I understand the problem with not going with your best pitch – a 96mph fastball. So if you’re so sure he won’t ever get it, why don’t you try explaining it to him until he does get it?
Why say something like that? He has actually pitched much much much better of late since being “demoted”
Give the kid – yes, he’s still a kid – a break.
So, Joba doesn’t understand baseball? No wonder he’s lost.
“Eiland and Girardi have to have a meeting with Joba. Tell him you will throw what the catcher calls for and no more of this bs.”
Except what I’m reading here is that Joba threw what Posada called for.
I don’t know if he did or he didnt. I do know he had looked good his last few times out. So I’m not thrown by what happened tonight.
The rs are in a tough spot with beltre,vmart,ortiz.
There are not many 3rd baseman at all out there,catchers either so they have to bring beltre & vmart back or they are in rough shape.
Ortiz coming off of a good year will put pressure on them for an extention,they will probably have to pick up his option or they lose another big bat.
Not much leverage with lowell & varitek coming off the books either.
“So, Joba doesn’t understand baseball? No wonder he’s lost.
The thing about the Red Sox is, the whole thing about this being a “bridge” year doesn’t make much sense.
Adrian Beltre, a guy they signed to a 1-year deal with a player option, has been one of the top six or 7 players in the AL this year. He’s going to want big money and at least five or six year deal. Boras is his agent.
Plus, he’s a guy with the reputation of only performing at an elite level when it’s his contract year. He’s not resigning with the Sox.
Ortiz rose from the dead and is hitting at an All Star level again. He’s got a $12.5 option that the team was not likely to pick up at the beginning of the season. Now, it looks like they have no choice.
Are they going to resign Victor Martinez, when he’s going to be looking for a big money deal, and when they know he’s not good enough behind the plate to catch full time? Not likely. You can’t stick him at DH with Ortiz coming back.
The pieces don’t fit.
Their pitching will still be very good next year, but the offense could lose potentially three big pieces next year.
If they trade for A-Gon, Hoyer is going to want to plum the farm system.
They have a lot of questions heading into nex year.
The ump didnt cause Joba to throw a 3-2 slider.
He did CAUSE the AB to still be going on after both 3 and 4 pitches – all of which were strikes.
Joba is still a kid. More reason why he should listen to those who are trying to teach him.
There was a reason why Joba looked better lately. He threw more fastballs and very few sliders.
One would think his confidence would grow and he would build on that.
Tonight, he went back to his pattern that has made him a very poor relief pitcher.
Its hard to understand why.
He’s not a rookie. He has to be able to see that Scutaro is late on every FB. He had not chance to square up on it. There is no reason to throw 2-2 and 3-2 sliders there.
Why even try to speed up a guys bat in that situation?
Its bad pitching and its the reason why he is where he is in the pecking order on this team.
No player has had more instruction or more face to face meetings than Joba.
For whatever reason, it just doesn’t sink in.
Until it does, his role is to pitch in 7-1 games and not see the 8th inning.
Its a shame because he is so much better than that.
Baseball is a game of adjustments. Logan and Robertson made adjustments in season, and turned their season’s around.
Joba, for whatever reason, just can’t seem to do it.
If posada called that pitch I blame him… I agree with others here joba wanted that pitch.. Whatever or who ever called it…it was bad baseball
All that Joba did tonight was give up an infield hit, record an out, and strike a guy out with 4 strikes – but not get credit for the strikeout, but rather he got credit for a walk.
I try to be sympathetic and understanding, especially since I’m not in their shoes. But, I kept thinking, I really did, that, at 1-2, a letter-high fastball would be a killer pitch to Scutaro. “Let him catch up to that.” And, yet, we saw outside sliders.
If I can see it coming, why doesn’t Joba? I know, why ask why….
I think Joba’s brain is still lost in 07′. When he 1st came up and batters never saw his slider they would swing at it in the dirt. But his slider was much better then and he actually did throw it for strikes sometimes. It seems like now he thinks that batters will just swing wildly at it in the dirt. Like he wants to strike everyone out with it. It stinks because he has the talent to be soo much better than he is right now.
did miller just say losing 3-4 is a success for the sox?
Joba, for whatever reason, just can’t seem to do it.
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Tonight might be a step in “making” him do it.
Pulling him out in a mop up role might make hime think, if that’s possible.
m,
I don’t remember the date exactly but it is in August.
Miller said a split would be a success
“Look at Boone Logan.
He made adjustments in season and he has now become a weapon for the Yankees in the bullpen.”
SJ-
It’s unfortunate but Joba really may just never get it. There’s not a lot of evidence in his track record that he will. Doesn’t mean he won’t – often times it’s doing the obvious that what snaps in place for a pitcher and makes him a better player.
But we haven’t seen him being willing to make any adjustments. Posada tried to last year and it created a nucelar war of nonsense. Some guys can only be “helped” the hard way.
The obsession with the slider is the most negative remnant of Joba having so much success as a reliever in 2007.
I guess the other thing is that Joba may get it – but he may get it much later – say when he’s 28 or so. It may be a time line that’s not viable for him to be a long term piece for the Yanks.
It’s very frustrating and hard to figure out. It’s so obvious that maybe it’ll snap into place in the off season. But at this point it wouldn’t be a surprise if he just keeps beating his head against the wall.
Maybe he loses confidence too quickly now? He gave up that bad luck infield hit and seemed to start nibbling then.
As much as most of us have criticized Joba ( deservedly so ) I’m not ready to throw him away just yet.
If he can keep his head on straight and listen and keep the heat going, he’s still got a chance to succeed.
Logan is finally succeeding and looking good of late. Not walking people is the key for him.
Maybe when Joba wrongly throws a 3-2 slider, it’s because he’s succumbed to the human element – letting the bad luck infield hit and the cheap ball calls by the umpire get to him.
Joba’s problems are Joba’s problems, not Posada’s. Joba shakes off Posada constantly to throw sliders in the dirt, when he should throw fastballs.
Dustin Moseley ,a journeyman pitcher with about half of Joba’s talent didn’t have any problem throwing to Posada tonight. Funny how that happens.
Logan has really carved his ERA down to very good, especiall compared to where he was in May/June.
YES! NIce outing BoonE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
great job logan
This whole thing about the Yankees burying the red sox this weekend… It is really hard to sweep a four game series… Especially since in all four games Boston is throwing a good pitcher.. We got a chance to win 3/4 I’ll take that
Maybe he didnt feel his fastball was working and didn’t want to throw it? Is Scutaro a good fast-ball hitter?
Thank God we traded Melky Cabrera, Mike Dunn, and Arodys Vizcaino for Boone Logan. The Vazquez guy they threw in has given us some decent innings too which is nice.
Miller said if the Sox can split it will be a very successful trip to the Bronx. Taking into account their injuries…and the Yankees awesomeness.
If Chamberlain is a mule-headed nincompoop, and only the coaching staff know that for sure, then he will be gone this offseason. Girardi and Cashman won’t put up with it.
No,Miller said if the Sox split it is a victory for Sox, since Yanks have not knocked them out….never mind the series takes 4 games off of the schedule……dumb…….
Joba could be taking his “demotion” badly.
Instead of rising to the occasion and regaining his prior status, he might be shrinking from it.
We shall see.
doubla06 – lol
When Morgan says it will be something of a victory if Boston splits, I have to laugh. This is August not April. If I am not mistaken, when Morgan says they will only be 7 games out…they are 8 in the lost column???
There was not any cheap calls by umps!! Yikes!!! Cheap hits are part of the game!! Are they cheap when the Yankees get then
Actually, Joba isn’t much better than this……..until he proves that he is.
Playing devils advocate “Maybe” Joba has more confidence in his slider than his FB. Maybe it’s that simple.
But the reality in this case is– the 3-2 slider is stupid because of the batter, the score and who is batting next.
Oh Well… I tried to stick up for Joba.
A split is not a victory for the Red Sox. That’s nonsense.
Another issue I have with Joba is he will not pitch inside. Every pitch to a decent, but not scary Marco Scutaro was away. The same is true of his pitching pattern against Lowell and Ellsbury.
Your slider will not get more effective until you come inside hard to set it up. It’s not rocket surgery for cryin’ out loud.
That said, everything else about this game has been excellent. A win tomorrow afternoon would establish the Sawx well back.
trisha,
I think the point others are trying to get across is that you have a 6 run lead. No need to be cute.
And some are saying that the whole league knows that Joba’s in love with that 3-2 slider.
Someone said it perfectly. He’s still living in 2007. He hasn’t adjusted. In fact he did it a lot as a starter last year, and that led to inflating his WHIP even more.
Actually, Joba isn’t much better than this……..until he proves that he is.
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He once was.
rconn, don’t get yourself all worked up and your jockstrap in a twist here. You’re in the wrong pew friend. Nobody’s trashing Posada. I know thats like a red flag in front of a bull whenever you think you’re seeing that and you lose all sense of reason.
Other posters said that he threw what Posada called for on that one pitch. Okay?
I won’t mind Wakefield pitching when he’s 60 so long as Mo is still pitching.
CR9,
This is Joba’s fourth year in the league. The entire world knows he can’t throw his slider for strikes anymore and always throws it at 3-2.
I’m not trashing him. I’m criticizing him.
If you want to hug him, be my guest.
He’s the most talented arm in the pen and he’s relegated himself to being a mopup guy doing it his way.
If you think that’s great, you are alone on that.
Its why Girardi has no faith in him anymore.
The issue is, why doesn’t he get it? Nobody around the Yankees can answer it.
Its a shame because he’s wasting his talent.
Boone Logan is now pitching in the 8th inning.
That’s all you need to know about how little confidence Girardi now has in Joba.
Sure, you’re up 5 runs, no need to throw a 3-2 slider. But there was also no need for that inning to have been still going, as Scutaro was struck out on the first 3 and 4 pitches of the AB – all strikes.
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 8th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Maybe he didnt feel his fastball was working and didn’t want to throw it? Is Scutaro a good fast-ball hitter?
He just threw a 96 mile hour fastball… Either way you never throw a 3-2 slider with a five run lead with a chance to load the bases with David Ortiz on deck you go after marco s heavy you can not walk him!!!
are we only on pace for 94 wins?
Mick………..once. Maybe he will be good or very good again, but he has to prove it. Until he does, he is who he is.
Knowing the Sox in the off season Beltre will give them a sweet heart deal just like Lowell did to return. If another team offers him 3/$42m he will come back for 3/$33m. They always play poor and then get guys for cheap.
“Why do they give in to him?
When he shakes off a sign , he is shaking off Girardi or Pena or Eiland, whoever is calling the pitch. Even if it is Posada, the next time he shakes someone off, yank him. He’ll stop.”
Serious question – did you forget all of the blow ups from last year between Joba and Posada?
Blow ups that Posada was constantly taking all of the criticism for? Blow ups that were creating a media circus all of the time?
Those were all about pitch selection. The yankees have spoken to Joba about this doznes of times. How man trips out to the mound did Posada make last season? How many times can Girardi and Eiland speak to Joba about this? He just won’t listen.
This was the same reason for why Posada and AJ had problems. AJ wants to pitch like a stubborn mule and Posada tries to force him to actually pitch.
If you’re AJ or Joba it’s much easier to throw to the 23 year rookie back up catcher you can just run over.
Joba’s not a kid. He needs to accept responsibility for this because he’s made it 100% clear that he’s the guy with the ball in his hand and he’s going to decide what he wants to do and is willing to create an incident out on the mound in order to make that clear.
mick August 8th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Joba could be taking his “demotion” badly.
Instead of rising to the occasion and regaining his prior status, he might be shrinking from it.
We shall see.
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Perhaps you should look at his last 5 games and 6 of the last 7 games. He slipped tonight, but, he’s done his job very well lately.
I am wrong.If Sox win tomorrow, they will be 7 back
You are correct Betsy.
If Chamberlain is indeed a mule-headed nincompoop, and only the coaching staff knows that for sure, then he will be gone this offseason. Girardi and Cashman won’t put up with it.
They’re not running a baby sitting service here.
Perhaps you should look at his last 5 games and 6 of the last 7 games. He slipped tonight, but, he’s done his job very well lately.
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Agreed GB.
I’m not understanding Joe Morgan’s rant on how this is a “good weekend for the Red Sox”.
How so?
If they split this series, they gain no ground.
If they lose tomorrow, they are 9 out in the loss column with 51 games left. Meaning, they aren’t catching the Yankees.
The pitching matchups were in their favor in 3 of the 4 games.
How does that make it a “good weekend for the Red Sox”?
no..right now boston is 6 back, but 7 in the loss column. tonight, they will be 7 back and 8 in the loss column.
Let’s keep simple for any pitchers with a big lead challenge hitters!! Some with argue when you a big lead giving up a walk can be worse than giving up. A home run.. Walks are always the cause of comebacks…walks and errors
Where are my comments?
Unless we’re talking about a brain the size of a walnut, there’s no reason why Joba can’t get it!
ac1 August 8th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
are we only on pace for 94 wins?
One answer to that question…. No!!!! Orel has no clue
what does “Big Papi himself” was at the plate, like he’s some god.
there was an severely unbalanced time spent talking about a team 6 back in third place, and losing by 5.
You all really think this years team is worse than last years. I guess I’m not seeing it… We have more starting pitching depth and in my opinion better speed, athleticism, and bigger bats. What do you all think?
Hey, where’s Matt tonight!
Yes, Joe Morgan is an idiot. But we all knew that. Guy said the Yankees aren’t as good this year because of pitching. But, um, Joe? Yankees team ERA and RA/G are both LOWER than last season. Yeah, must be the pitching, Joe.
If Chamberlain is indeed a mule-headed nincompoop, and only the coaching staff would know that for sure, then he will be gone this offseason. Girardi and Cashman won’t put up with it.
mel, I pay little to no attention to the majority of stuff I read from the disgruntled masses during any game. Sorry. You want to go with what the proletariat has declared about Joba tonight, have at. I can think for myself.
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“Perhaps you should look at his last 5 games and 6 of the last 7 games. He slipped tonight, but, he’s done his job very well lately.”
Perhaps you can send that on a piece of kleenex so that outraged can dry their out-of-place tears.
Error I think
are we only on pace for 94 wins?
One answer to that question…. No!!!! Orel has no clue
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these guys do absolutely do no research.
another damn infield hit for this sickening team.
Joba’s not a kid. He needs to accept responsibility for this because he’s made it 100% clear that he’s the guy with the ball in his hand and he’s going to decide what he wants to do and is willing to create an incident out on the mound in order to make that clear.
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CB, I see your point but this can’t go on forever. I think they have had enough of it which is why he has been demoted. If he had any sense he would understand this and realize his next step will be off the team, if he cares.
Assuming the Yanks win this game they will be on a pace to win 101.6 games.
Since you cannot win .6 games we can round it to 102. Yanks will be 69-41 (.627).
big papi himself has a lower average against lefties than curtis granderson.
Joba thinks he knows best – that drives me crazy. He doesn’t. He’s no Einstein out there, that’s for sure. Po has been doing this for a long time; he’s somehow managed to guide this team to 5 WS, so he ‘s doing something right. When Joba wins 5 Cy Youngs, then he can earn the right to do what he wants to on the mound. I am not suggesting that young pitchers should never shake off catchers; I actually like it when they do sometimes because it shows they are confident. In Joba’s case, it may just show that he’s a tad TOO confident.
They prefaced the comment by saying that the Sox would be buried if they were swept. Morgan, “Well that won’t happen, they lost a game already”.
Basically saying that with all their injuries, and how good the Yankees are the Sox would be happy to leave town with a split.
Not necessarily saying they’ll contend for the division. Just saying they’re not buried yet. A split will obviously be better than a loss.
However, they have two tough teams ahead of them.
I love watching Robertson pitch.
“big papi himself has a lower average against lefties than curtis granderson.”
are you serious?
These commentators don’t care if they come off stupid, as long as they create some controversy.
Its hard to understand someone being that stubborn when what he’s being stubborn about clearly isn’t working. Make him run polls every time he shakes Posada off……
Mel, I pay little attention to what the non-stop complainers have to say during any game thread. If you want to be guided by the proletariat, have at. I can think for myself.
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“Perhaps you should look at his last 5 games and 6 of the last 7 games. He slipped tonight, but, he’s done his job very well lately.”
Perhaps you can write that on a piece of kleenex and send it to the majority of posters here whose misplaced outrage has taken over the forum.
For once, we throw a no-name pitcher and win…..
morgan was waiting for orel to ask how many gold gloves he had.
Who can figure Joba out? At some point, let someone else do it……..
Posada has to let Joba throw 3-2 sliders because if he called for a fastball in that spot Joba would just shake him off for 20 minutes. Then there would be 10 trips to the mound. With Joba it’s not as simple as calling for a fastball. He just doesn’t understand what to throw in what count and why that pitch is being thrown.
If the goal was not to to merely tread water, then yes, this weekend would be a success if they split.
If their goal was to gain ground for the playoffs, it was not.
Moseley is filling in for Pettitte.
Burnett was bumped today (back spasms, nerves, whatever).
Andy then slides into the 2-spot in the rotation on his return?
It’s set up that way, if they choose.
Unless my mAth is wrong if the Yankees go .500 the rest of the way they will have 95 wins
“The thing about the Red Sox is, the whole thing about this being a “bridge” year doesn’t make much sense.”
The “bridge year” only makes sense if you have a ton of young talent ready to step in and make up for the pieces you’ve turned to as short term support.
It makes sense if you’ve have a burgeoning next generation of talent read to step in.
Either that or your willing to not compete at a top level for a couple of seasons.
But then a 36% fall in TV ratings has a way of refocusing priorities and grand, strategic planning.
Bullpen is still doing much better lately !!!
Just what we need !!!
I just don’t understand.
It’s been like this for Joba for too long. Conceptually, I’m having a hard time understanding why someone would intentionally ignore several wise men who want him to succeed, when there’s a long track record of failure when doing it YOUR way, instead of their way. It just can’t be stubborness. There must be something else, some inner insecurity. I wonder if Alex’ psychologist has an opening for another patient?
Morgan has 5 Gold Gloves, no brain, and a severe case of diarrhea of the mouth….
“big papi himself has a lower average against lefties than curtis granderson.”
are you serious?
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Ortiz is .207 with 1 homer vs. lefties this year.
I think Granderson was around .210 no?
Is my math correct?
yes
“But then a 36% fall in TV ratings has a way of refocusing priorities and grand, strategic planning.”
I texted my Red Sox fan buddy a few minutes ago…we usually spar back and forth between games. He turned it off when Tex hit the HR….
why bring in mo now?
terriable, wick hook by joe
Perhaps you can write that on a piece of kleenex and send it to the majority of posters here whose misplaced outrage has taken over the forum.
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What is wrong with seeing something is wrong and wanting it corrected?
I wonder if Alex? psychologist has an opening for another patient?
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If so, maybe they’ll get a discount rate if both Joba and AJ go for a few sessions.
Whether Joba sucks or the Yanks screwed him up the fact is he stinks and is now reduced to an average middle reliever. Can you imagine he was the holdup in getting Doc Halladay last year, sickening.
CB – are their ratings actually down that much, 36%?
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 8th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
Mel, I pay little attention to what the non-stop complainers have to say during any game thread. If you want to be guided by the proletariat, have at. I can think for myself.
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“Perhaps you should look at his last 5 games and 6 of the last 7 games. He slipped tonight, but, he’s done his job very well lately.”
Perhaps you can write that on a piece of kleenex and send it to the majority of posters here whose misplaced outrage has taken over the forum.
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His last 5 games over 5.1 innings, 1 hit, 1 walk, 0 runs, 5 strikeouts is a vast improvement. We’ll see what happens in his next game, which should be tomorrow, I’d think.
The forum needs some more controversy to function
I love mo’s enter sandman entrance…it gives me goose bumps every single time.
If Chamberlain is indeed a mule-headed ninnnie, and only the coaching staff would know that for sure, then he will be gone this offseason. Girardi and Cashman won’t put up with it.
diarrhea of the mouth….
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and constipation of the mind?
ocTodd August 8th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Morgan has 5 Gold Gloves, no brain, and a severe case of diarrhea of the mouth….
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Worst “analyst” I’ve ever heard ! I could write a book of his stupid remarks !
Maybe Mo needs work
mo was warmed up. no games….. bring him in.
Does agreeing with them make me part of the proletariat?
Joba’s been pitching well, but he’s not fooling many hitters with that 3-2 slider anymore. If he wants to be a better pitcher, then he should listen to the his coaches.
And I’m talking in general, not just tonight.
Seemed like they were talking in terms of the Wild Card, for the Red Sox.
Hi. We’re in Frigid San Francisco. FRIGID.
I hope Girardi doesn’t say that Mo isn’t available tomorrow since he had to get 1 out today. He could of gave Robertson 1 more out, it’s not like he got hit.
Or perhaps you can look at his previous few outings with greater perspective.
Lower leverage situations against poorer teams and he was successful because he was throwing more fastballs, some on the inner half of the plate.
Tonight, for whatever reason, he reverted back to the pitcher that has lost his EIG role and has had a bad season.
Not using the inner half, tentative, too many sliders.
Its not out of bounds to ask the question “why”.
Especially since he was pitching in a 7-1 game. Not exactly “high leverage”.
“Posada has to let Joba throw 3-2 sliders because if he called for a fastball in that spot Joba would just shake him off for 20 minutes. Then there would be 10 trips to the mound.”
This is exactly right. This is basically what happened over and over again last season.
And it was used as evidence by both the media and yankee fans that Posada doesn’t know how to “handle” pitchers well.
The whole thing was turning into a farce. But Joba’s the pitcher and he was firm in staking his right to make dumb decisions otherwise he was willing to turn the game into a farce.
i get madder each time miller calls ortiz big papi like thats his actual name.
mick August 8th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
Perhaps you can write that on a piece of kleenex and send it to the majority of posters here whose misplaced outrage has taken over the forum.
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What is wrong with seeing something is wrong and wanting it corrected?
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Agree I have no problem with job a… I have a problem with any pitcher throwing that pitch in that situation
MO is the best short man EVER !!!
well that was easy.
lucky it was 1 pitch
Mo
Joba has been much better really since the trade deadline and has shown some flashes of what he was supposed to be this season. Tonight is one outing but its just the mental mistakes that he makes that are so frustrating….you hate to nit pick a guy but it just keeps happening over and over….
1 pitch for Mo…
1 pitch. Lot of work
Mo must needs to ice his arm after this outing, whew.
Nice win!
I just replayed Scutaro’s AB.
I think Posada called for the slider. Why I have no idea, But knowing Jorge he has his reason.
i think elisbury might of been safe at 2nd
No sweat by Mo he threw more pitches in the bullpen getting ready..lol
Rivera’s just nothing but a show-off.
Bless his great big heart.
postgame on yes, yes?
Hi Doreen!
I never listen or watch ESPN games…….glad I missed the drivel.
I assume Mo needed the work, but with a day game tomorrow, it’s kind of strange to bring him in here……….and no more days for another year.
good win! Let’s get them again tomorrow!
All relievers should be available tomorrow if needed. Lucky for us that Moseley was called up before he could become a FA.
good night Peeps, til tom! Yankeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees Wynnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
Jobas problem is easy. He doesn’t pitch on the inner half.
Pepitone August 8th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
If Chamberlain is indeed a mule-headed ninnnie, and only the coaching staff would know that for sure, then he will be gone this offseason. Girardi and Cashman won’t put up with it.
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yes because Girardi never gives bums like Mitre chance after chance after chance. how long did it take for Joba to even be removed from the EIG role?
“are their ratings actually down that much, 36%?”
Joe-
NESN rating are down 36% compared to last season. The WEEI radio ratings are down 16%.
The Boston fanbase has bailed on this team.
“Who can figure Joba out? At some point, let someone else do it……..”
Betsy – AMEN!
Great Yankee win. I’d love to hang around and revel in it but I’m thinking there are still people who would rather kill Joba for not being Mr. Perfect tonight so I’ll just le the meeting of the outraged take place.
I’m grateful for everything I get. The Yankees never disappoint me.
Night all.
Nice game all around:
Pick up a game on both their closest rivals.
Dustin Moesley comes up with a clutch performance on the fly.
Berkman dusts off the spiderwebs on his bat.
And Logan shows some moxie out there.
Now let’s take tomorrow and go on from there.
Joe,
NESN’s ratings are down 36%. Their radio ratings are also down.
Merchandise sales are the lowest since 2002.
There is a clear departure from the bandwagon that is known as “Red Sox Nation”.
To contrast…..
The Yankees have more than 90,000 listeners per hour on their game broadcasts than the Red Sox. Yankee radio broadcasts are the highest rated, with more listeners, than anybody in MLB.
Their ad time is sold out for the 11th year in a row.
One team is printing money, while the other team is looking for money.
For those of you with a DVR, replay Posada going to talk to Joba. Jorge got the pitch he wanted.
Last year we went to a game at Yankee Stadium that Joba started. It was death by visit to the mound or death by shake-off of pitch – your choice. It was not fun. In fact, people were booing.
maybe they can go with a 6 man when Pettitte comes back
SJ44 August 8th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Or perhaps you can look at his previous few outings with greater perspective.
Lower leverage situations against poorer teams and he was successful because he was throwing more fastballs, some on the inner half of the plate.
Tonight, for whatever reason, he reverted back to the pitcher that has lost his EIG role and has had a bad season.
Not using the inner half, tentative, too many sliders.
Its not out of bounds to ask the question “why”.
Especially since he was pitching in a 7-1 game. Not exactly “high leverage”.
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when you’re guy is going bad, you look for improvement where you can. The 2 scoreless innings against the Devil Rays, even in the 3-2 loss allowed NYY to perhaps take the lead. He’s far from perfect, but, he’s gotta start somewhere.
“Nice win!
I just replayed Scutaro’s AB.
I think Posada called for the slider. Why I have no idea, But knowing Jorge he has his reason.”
Tar, if that happened, maybe he figured that Scutaro wouldn’t be looking for the slider and would swing at it. Who knows.
Betsy -
If we were at home, I wouldn’t be listening, either.
Only caught the last 2 innings of the game. On Friday we were in Santa Barbara and we listened to a part of the game on XM and Bob Costas and Jim Kaat did the game. While I like and respect both of these gentlemen, it is interesting to me and slightly annoying that the entire time we had the game on, it was presented in the Boston point of view. Same tonight. It’s not that these broadcasts “root” for the Red Sox or whoever plays the Yankees, but that they almost never fairly present the point of view from a Yankee fan’s perspective. It stinks. (Now, Friday, it didn’t help they were losing.)
SJ44, some posters are now saying that Posada called for the slider. IF he did, I am saying IF, then you owe the forum an apology for your non-stop criticism of what Joba did in that situation.
You danced all over the kid’s head for that pitch and drew some very strong conclusions about him based on that one pitch.