Moseley steps in and steps up
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 08, 2010 
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A late replacement for A.J. Burnett, Dustin Moseley gave the Yankees 6.1 strong innings and left to a standing ovation tonight at Yankee Stadium. It was one of two standing ovations in a 7-2 Yankees win against the Red Sox. Derek Jeter tipped his helmet at first base after getting career hit No. 2,874, which moved him past Babe Ruth on baseball’s all-time hits list. His 2,875th hit came as part of a five-run fifth inning. The Yankees extended their American League East lead to 2.5 games, their largest lead since July 26.
Associated Press photo of Jeter after his milestone hit
1 pitch fa MO
PeteAbe Mo with a 7-2 lead? Really?
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Yes, its real Pete….
Maybe Moseley could be the #4 starter in Playoffs, Behind CC, Andy and Hughes
Good decision to use MO. Only 1 pitch. Picture Perfect.
Moseley’s been terrific………..I don’t know how long this will last, but he’s been good when we needed someone to be, so no matter what else happens, he’s been invaluable.
Don’t quite get why Robertson couldn’t pitch to Scutaro after pitching yesterday.
One pitch is all it takes not to use him tomorrow if they need him.
Nice job by Moseley and the offense.
If Jorge did call for that pitch, then you have to wonder why. Reverse psychology? haha.
Yes. No. Yes. No. Slider. No. Fastball. Yes.
Oops.
Don’t quite get why Robertson couldn’t pitch to Scutaro after Mo pitched yesterday.
“Nice win!
I just replayed Scutaro’s AB.
I think Posada called for the slider. Why I have no idea, But knowing Jorge he has his reason.”
Tar, if that happened, maybe he figured that Scutaro wouldn’t be looking for the slider and would swing at it. Who knows.
great job by moseley….. great outing, this guy has thick skin i like him…. has 3 or 4 pitches he can throw for strikes, doesn’t get rattled, he looks decent…. nice win all around, it’s always fun to watch them knock Beckett around…. good momentum going into tomorrow’s finale
Who knows how much longer Moseley can keep this up but he’s already far surpassed what anyone expected of him.
Nice job by Berkman tonight as well.
Yay for Sir Lancelot – big night for him and I think there will be more where tonight came from.
Oh, and knocking Beckett around is pretty sweet.
Yankees have already got what they needed out of this series, especially with Tampa losing 5 straight. Tomorrow is gravy but it sure would be nice to put that first nail in the coffin.
Beating the Sox always feels good but its even a little more special when its Beckett and when its in convincing fashion.
I don’t think Joe fully trusts Robertson… it took him forever to move him ahead of Joba, doesn’t trust him with a 5 run lead
But he shouldn’t have walked Ellsbury. Go after him.
IF Jorge called for it, IF he did, then every poster who criticized or trashed Joba for it needs to publicly apologize for being big-mouth knee jerkers.
repost:
“are their ratings actually down that much, 36%?”
Joe-
NESN rating are down 36% compared to last season. The WEEI radio ratings are down 16%.
The Boston fanbase has bailed on this team.
I guess Cervelli will catch Hughes tomorrow………..guess that messes up Joe and his rotation, lol
# Fondo Motz August 8th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
What did they see with Moseley?
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He was a 1st round pick, but he’s had two set-back injuries. He had elbow surgery in 2007 and hip surgery last year , so the Yanks were 100% rolling the dice.
So far, nothing but winners. Aaron Small 2.0.
the pitcher has the final say on what pitch is thrown….
They were changing signs with the runner on second base. Its hard to know if he called for the slider or Joba shook him off to throw it.
They also had a mound conference before the pitch.
In the past, that included Joba insisting he can make a pitch with the slider in that situation.
No idea if that was the case tonight.
Either way, its another step backward as he tries to become more than a mopup guy on this team.
His better outings lately have come with him pumping fastballs in the zone and attacking hitters.
I have no idea why an infield hit can make him so tentative, he reverts back to failed practices.
He drives Girardi and the coaching staff crazy with this staff.
A very tough kid to coach. In the end, that may be the biggest problem.
goodnight everyone, don’t forget it’s a day game tomorrow
Doreen
It’s going to be 90 and humid here this week so enjoy a little FRIGID.
SJ44, some posters are now saying that Posada called for the slider. IF he did, I am saying IF, then you owe the forum an apology for your non-stop criticism of what Joba did in that situation.
You danced all over the kid’s head for that pitch and drew some very strong conclusions about him based on that one pitch.
All the yankees needed to do in this series was to win one game. If the Sox really wanted to get back in the hunt they effectively needed to sweep.
3 out of 4 was a the worst they could really hope for unless they were willing to play for moral victories rather than making the playoffs.
Remember – the Sox came into this series with a major advantage because they were supposed to get a game against Dustin Mosley. They were seeing the Yankees #7 starter while the yanks were getting the Sox top 4. Given that the Sox have a rotation filled with aces when Mosley threw shouldn’t have mattered.
So the Sox already had a signficiant chance to win 1 out of the 4 games. Anything past winning 2 of the 4 for the yanks was house money.
Just a great series for the yanks already with Tampa losing.
So the ball will probably be jumping out of YS tomorrow – I hate this summer and can’t wait for it to be over
“NESN rating are down 36% compared to last season. The WEEI radio ratings are down 16%.”
Secondary market ticket sales have brokers crying too. Fenway is technically sold out but brokers are holding or price dumping tickets.
A guy like Moseley can be effective for this team for a variety of reasons.
When you suffer the injuries and setbacks he has suffered in his career, a certain what the #@#$ attitude takes over you.
That makes you unfazed by pitching in NY and for the Yankees.
You look at your career in a different perspective and realize you have already survived the tough stuff. This is why you worked so hard to rehab.
It makes you relax and not do too much.
Moseley has done that so far and its a successful formula.
You also know yourself as a pitcher more and you know your limitations.
He does what he does and some teams will be a bad matchup for him.
This Red Sox team? I thought it would be a good matchup for him because there are a few more free swingers in their lineup now and if he can keep his sinker down, he can get out of jams with DP’s.
He has a plan out there, knows what he is doing, and because of his setbacks, doesn’t pitch afraid.
He’s helped this team a lot and they don’t need to rush Pettitte back.
He is more than capable of filling in for a few more starts and then head back to the pen.
IMO, like Boone Logan, he’s on the team for the rest of the year.
“No idea if that was the case tonight.”
Then maybe you should have waited to find out if it was? I know you’re falling back on things he’s done in the past but as GB pointed out, he has had some very nice outings as of late.
You know it’s much easier to condemn than to give the benefit of the doubt. But it’s a lot more expansive to do the latter.
Red Sox merchandise sales are also down to their lowest levels since 2002.
Even their trolls have moved on!
A down year all around for Red Sox Nation.
Jeter could possibly break into the top 30 in hits by the end of the season. 69 more.
http://www.baseball-reference......reer.shtml
I don’t know what Moseley’s history is, but Cash deserves kudos for wanting to bring him up before he was lost to another team.
CB and SJ – thanks for your answers.
My stepson is studying sports management at St. John’s, and I find this stuff fascinating. If these programs existed 40 years ago, I might have gone in a different direction
# Betsy August 8th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
So the ball will probably be jumping out of YS tomorrow – I hate this summer and can’t wait for it to be over
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Huh? So Hughes is pitching tomorrow and it’s going to be hot so the answer is that summer needs to end?
I was never the biggest fan of scorching weather, but there’s not a whole lot to do in the winter besides shovel snow and watch football.
“Fenway is technically sold out but brokers are holding or price dumping tickets.”
Oh I know. All of those stories about the vaunted “sell out” streak that proves that the “nation” is a gritty as their team are just nonsense.
Many Sox fans feel like they were sold a fake bill of goods with this team and are still being charged premium prices.
Trisha,
He’s been doing the same thing for three years. When he breaks his pattern, he’s more effective.
Tonight, he wasn’t because he went back to failed patterns.
Bottom line, statistically speaking, he and Chan Ho Park have been the worst pitchers in the AL who have worked at least 35 or more innings this year.
A kid with Joba’s talent should never be on that list and he only has one person to blame…..himself.
Real happy for Berkman tonight. Hopefully this helps him settle in and get going. That last double was a thing of beauty.
Joe from Long Island August 8th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
CB and SJ – thanks for your answers.
My stepson is studying sports management at St. John’s, and I find this stuff fascinating. If these programs existed 40 years ago, I might have gone in a different direction
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Maybe I’m slipping or just being a nice guy (go figure, huh?), but, I’m not gonna make any cracks here.
Great win, great team top to bottom. Everyone helps.
Love those Yanks.
Boone Logan hanging tough and throwing Ortiz absolutely nothing good to his was the key moment in that game, imho.
It had ramifications beyond just tonight’s game. He’s now showing that when the lefty masher is up late in the game, he’s the go-to guy.
It took nerves to live on the edge like he did. Everyone one of those pitches could easily have been called a ball if Ortiz took them, but he didn’t.
How many times have you seen Ortiz walk in that situation? He’s always been deadly not just w/the HR, but also drawing walks late. Not tonight.
“I’m not gonna make any cracks here.”
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“No matter how much success you’ve had in the game, nobody wants to be booed.” Joe Girardi
Spoiled brat Yankee fans.
GF, huh? I’m saying it’s going to be another hot, gross day – this summer has been awful. What does Phil have to do with anything? I’m not a fan of summer – or of extreme weather. Autumn is my favorite time of year……….
every one of those pitches…
Hughes kept the ball in the ballpark in his last start against a better HR hitting team than the Red Sox. He will be fine.
Their challenge tomorrow is Jon Lester, not worrying about Hughes.
Either way, this series is a win for the Yankees. They already got what they needed with tonight’s win.
We get to see Cliff Lee on Wednesday… looks like Texas is skipping over Harden and Hunter
GB – oh, you’re so kind and considerate….
And on that note, I’m off to bed. Good night, guys.
Hughes never entered my mind; GF brought him up………We’ve already split the series, so whatever happens happens.
If Hughes and Lest pitch the same games they did in their last starts, Boston is in deep trouble.
*Hunter… Harden pitched Saturday
***Lester*** pitch
here’s the Ortiz at-bat in the 7th:
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....type=3.gif
everything was down, and absolutely nothing in. great pitching.
I still think if Texas goes on a big run that Lee could sign with them……..If he’s happy and they have the players to compete (and they do), why not?
I’m guessing Kearns is in LF tomorrow, Gardner in CF, and Cervelli behind the plate.
I think Thames will be the DH, with Jorge and Lance getting the day off.
Does Javy try to pitch his way thru this “dead arm” period ?
$$$$$
Lee isn’t signing with Texas regardless of what they do.
A 0% chance of happening for a ton of reasons. Some baseball related, some not.
Moseley has an “aw shucks” quality to him in the postgame.
I’m glad that Berkman heeded my warning……………..
“We get to see Cliff Lee on Wednesday”
If every I’m praying for opposing pitcher to get through a game completely healthy, it’s that game. I hope he pitches well, takes a no decision, and the Rangers lose.
Texas will have $$$$$$ …………This guy is such a difference maker. I’m glad we still have Montero, but I would kill for Lee now. OH well ……….hopefully he’s intent on going FA. In the meantime, I hope we treat him rudely on Wednesday
Great game by D-Mose, and Fat Elvis.
Playin’ with house money tomorrow.
Good night everyone.
“I think Thames will be the DH, with Jorge and Lance getting the day off.”
You may see Alex DH since Joe said the ankle tightened up on him.
I hope Lee pitches badly…………comes out of the game healthy, but pitch badly.
pat August 8th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
Moseley has an “aw shucks” quality to him in the postgame.
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Andy Taylor in spikes and pinstripes?
Pat, I didn’t know that……………maybe he should just take the day off. With no days off coming up, might as well.
It kind of stinks that Hughes got pushed up a day because arguably his two best career starts came in Texas.
So the ball will probably be jumping out of YS tomorrow – I hate this summer and can’t wait for it to be over
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Betsy,
You said it all in one sentence so it appeared you were linking Hughes’ issues lately and the hot weather.
Betsy,
They aren’t going to have the money to sign him. They spent over 70 million dollars more to buy the team via auction and they had to agree to pay more of the unsecured debt than they wanted in their original agreement.
They don’t have the money to sign Cliff Lee and he doesn’t want to play the rest of his career in Texas. Its not good for pitchers over the long haul.
He’s not signing with Texas this off-season.
No one Mentions arod joining 600HR and 300SB? comon
If the Yanks can take tomorrows game this weekend was a huge success. Defeating 3/4 of the Sox top pitchers would bury them. Then just split with Texas if all possible and go in and hammer KC with me in attendance!
I love my DVR.
Yeah we were all way too harsh on Joba tonight.
Lowell had a seeing eye single. Ellsbury had no chance.
1st pitch to Scutaro was a slider that buckled him.
Next two pitches were strikes, only one was called. Joba struck him out.
Next pitch was real close (ball).
2-2 FB scutaro was late, but had a nice cut at it.
After 3-2 pitch Posada went to the mound, I really believe Posada called for that slider.
I realize Joba’s history, and even Joe seemed a little angry at him, but tonight he didn’t deserve it.
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....type=3.gif
# RS August 8th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
It kind of stinks that Hughes got pushed up a day because arguably his two best career starts came in Texas.
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Yea I’ve been mentioning that. I think he has 14 scoreless innings against them.
GF, well he has his issues giving up HRs and the hot weather doesn’t help…….but I really wasn’t thinking of him, just in general with the way the stadium plays for everyone. I don’t recall YS being this bad early in the season, so perhaps things will calm down after the weather cools down.
favorite SoSH quote of the night:
patinorange
Posted Today, 09:48 PM
Morgan is now babbling incoherently at peak level.
What made Joba’s outing a little puzzling was that he didn’t throw Scutaro more FBs.
Such is life – Phil will just have to pitch in Texas another day. I was wondering how he would be able to pitch given that he was preparing to start (throw days and such) on Tuesday, not tomorrow. Either way, I’ll be at work when he does his thing………hopefully when I check in periodically with John and Suzyn I’ll get good news.
YES is talking about the O’s and Showalter. It is going to be interesting to watch the O’s the rest of the way. If they are .500 or better, it has to be said that a manager does matter.
SJ, I wouldn’t think most pitchers would want to pitch in Texas…….but I guess it’s my nature to be cautious. I already can’t wait for the off-season, lol.
The Yanks gave up A LOT more runs last season. Don’t understand why people don’t remember that.
The pitching has been far better this season. The stooges doing the game tonight didn’t believe this team’s pitching has been as good as it was last season.
They obviously didn’t do their homework.
Betsy and anyone else who is interested, I will be home and watching if you need a heads up
Mosley = Aaron Small?
“YES is talking about the O’s and Showalter. It is going to be interesting to watch the O’s the rest of the way. If they are .500 or better, it has to be said that a manager does matter.”
One example doesn’t prove the rule.
I think a manager can matter more with a bad team than a good one.
Pretty nice that on a night where the Yanks pound the Sox at the major league level Scranton – led by a huge game by Montero destroyed the Sox AAA team as well.
I don’t even think it’s accurate to say that Montero is on a tear inn AAA. This is probably how good he is – he’s hitting up to his true talent know.
The difference in talent between these two organizations is very large right now.
Look at the Yankees line up – add Montero to that mix in the near future – that’s a lot of special bats in one line up.
# Betsy August 8th, 2010 at 11:55 pm
Such is life – Phil will just have to pitch in Texas another day. I was wondering how he would be able to pitch given that he was preparing to start (throw days and such) on Tuesday, not tomorrow. Either way, I’ll be at work when he does his thing………hopefully when I check in periodically with John and Suzyn I’ll get good news.
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why don’t you just DVR the game and pretend not to know the score during the game time.
If Baltimore can play better than they usually do against Boston and Tampa, they could really help the yankees. Not sure that this isn’t just an adrenaline type rush for the Orioles or not. They aren’t that good, and I’m not buying that Showalter can turn a team in one week with the same players, but, by next year, they could challenge for 4th place.
LOL I can’t do that…….I would just fast forward to the end of the game. I like it when there are day games in a way because I can catch up on some stuff that I’ve DVR’s already…..Normally I would listen to the game, but we’re very busy in the office and until we clear up the backlog, I don’t want any distractions.
Pete Abraham
Lance Berkman hasn’t been this happy since the time he and Barney told Wilma and Betty they were working and really went bowling about 2 hours ago
Rich in NJ
No team is worse than the O’s
Pete Abe
Lance Berkman hasn’t been this happy since the time he and Barney told Wilma and Betty they were working and really went bowling about 2 hours ago
Betsy, that’s what I plan to do tomorrow, LOL
GB, I tend to agree………….they are a bad team going through a hot streak. If the losing culture there is as ingrained as is reported to be, no manager can clear that out in a week.
FWIW, the Yanks run differential on 8/08/09 was +91.
This season, as of this writing, their run differential is +139
was also mentioning Joba with the 3 and 2 slider bad bad idea. man he is a cement head. throw a damn fastball and if he hits a 3 run HR so what. they were up 5.
jorge needs to insist on a fastball….the hit on joba by lowell was nothing….
he needs to be smarter…..
What on earth is that from Pete? I guess he’s saying that Berkman looks like Fred Flinstone? Ok…………
Joba, just don’t forget to not check this board before you watch the game, though!
Flintstone…….wow, my typos are getting out of hand
Beckett and Lackey will cost the Sox $36M/yr for the next four years.
As much as they’d like to be, they’re not the Yanks. That will limit what they can do to a certain extent.
Eventually, Lester and Buchholz are going to get paid, as well.
The esteemed Pete Abraham:
Rodriguez singled and stole second with one out (Truly amazing, the guy was writing around in pain in center field yesterday and now he’s stealing a base. It’s almost like he wasn’t really all that hurt. But that can’t be it.)
—- questioning the grit of ARod, now thats a first.
Eroc August 9th, 2010 at 12:03 am
Pete Abe
Lance Berkman hasn’t been this happy since the time he and Barney told Wilma and Betty they were working and really went bowling about 2 hours ago
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PA is closer to Jackie Gleason without the talent than Berkman is to Fred Flintstone.
“jorge needs to insist on a fastball….the hit on joba by lowell was nothing”
What if Jorge called for the slider. Everybody says it was Joba, based on his history, but look at Scutaro’s AB and tell me who called that pitch.
I think Alex dh’s tomorrow
LOL GB…………
the espn crew does not think this team is as good as last and they are on pace to win about 94.. they are dopes again I think this team is more talented then last years. swisher, cano, gardner, are in there primes and better then last year.
granderson has more upside then melky, and hughes is the 3rd starter better then cement head burnett….
logan is looking good and robertson and joba will figure things out…
oh I won’t check the board before I finish the game tomorrow night.
Tar August 8th, 2010 at 11:52 pm
I love my DVR.
Yeah we were all way too harsh on Joba tonight.
Lowell had a seeing eye single. Ellsbury had no chance.
1st pitch to Scutaro was a slider that buckled him.
Next two pitches were strikes, only one was called. Joba struck him out.
Next pitch was real close (ball).
2-2 FB scutaro was late, but had a nice cut at it.
After 3-2 pitch Posada went to the mound, I really believe Posada called for that slider.
I realize Joba’s history, and even Joe seemed a little angry at him, but tonight he didn’t deserve it.
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I agree I think he is throwing the ball well lately. He is going in the right direction. Walks really haven’t been Joba’s problem this year.
SAS
I think they have some talent, but it needs to be developed both in terms of on the field skills and to starting believing in themselves. That’s Buck’s specialty.
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PA is a hack.
The team is not as good as last year………….but that doesn’t mean they aren’t good.
I didn’t think the O’s were supposed to be this bad this year. Every report I heard had them taking 4th in the division and being better than Toronto. I just htink that basically every young player the O’s were depending upon improving this year has definitely regressed such as Markakis, Jones, Matusz has been roughed up some, Reimold couldn’t stick in the big leagues…. It will be interesting to see if Showalter can turn those guys around.
What did montero do?
Will he be up next year as a dh or catcher?
I think Beckett will ultimately be worth what he’s getting paid.
This has been a lost year for him though. He’s a mental guy, and the fact that its August and he’s 3-2 with a 6 + ERA has to eat at him. I don’t think he’ll return to form to next year.
Mosley looked terrific. Did Berkman wake up tonight & get the news he was traded?
Im really concerned about our rotation for the post season. CC, Andy, (maybe Mosley steps up big & becomes a big of the rotation starter) ???
Come post season we need Hughes as the 8th inning bridge & go back to the pen.
For the sake of this great rivalary this game was very one sided.
Always good to see a Yankee win but this isnt the same series.
Boston needs to get healthy & maybe add Mauerwhile we add Lee next yr.
The new rivalary has become Yankees Tampa.
“Yeah we were all way too harsh on Joba tonight.”
I automatically gave him the benefit of the doubt. I’m pretty good that way.
Just read that montero is 10 for his last 26
ops up to around .825
Scranton took Pawtucket 3 out of 4 games and outscored them 27-14 this weekend.
Goo night Yankee people!
GB was also very reasoned regarding Joba and mentioned how well he has been doing of late.
mbovasso, Jack Curry mentioned something pretty relevant, and that is that Berkman came from the NL into the AL, where he didnt really know any of the pitchers. That alone should have given him a bye and had fans cool their jets.
The yankees can’t have much faith in joba if they dangled montero for soria wich is a shock to me.
didnt Montero it a HR yesterday?
Betsy, I disagree.
How are they not better than they were last year? People only say that because we know what the end result for the 2009 team was.
Last year’s team had a worse record and worse run differential at this time last year. Last year’s team had Joba Chamberlain and Sergio Mitre as its 4 and 5 starters, this team has AJ Burnett and Javier Vazquez.
Last year’s team was great, but a lot of people forget how often they were lambasted by people on here.
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I don’t think the Montero for Soria rumor was true. I think the only pitcher this year that the Yanks dangled Montero for was Lee in addition to Halladay last offseason. Cash only brings Montero into play for a true top of the rotation starter.
Don’t know,just going by the rumors.
I wouldn’t do it for a relief pitcher.
My concern is cash willing to trade him for lee when we are probably getting him next year.Hopefully that doesn’t mean they lost faith in him as a catcher.
What an advantage we could have if he catches.
“ops up to around .825″
Despite the awful start to his season Montero is now has the 8th highest OPS in the entire international league.
And he is the youngest player in the league. Most of the other top hitters in AAA are older journeyman type.
For Montero to be in the top 10 in OPS now at his age after being so poor the first half of the season is unbelievably impressive. A lot of kids could have easily crawled into a shell doing that badly in a league where the competition is so much older – particularly while needing to learn all the things a catcher needs to in AAA.
The yankees never offered Montero for Soria. That was a false report. Davidoff and Sherman both confirmed that Montero was never offered for Soria. The Yanks never had talks that progressed anywhere on Soria. They didn’t get past the preliminaries.
GC-
I agree. The Yanks didn’t start to look like a great team last year until right around this time of year with that 4 game sweep of Boston. I was the the series like a week before that in Chicago when they lost 3/4 and they looked terrible. Mitre was awful, Phil Coke was blowing games, Burnett got rocked. Then they turned on the switch and blew everybody away;however, I think the one reason that people say last years team was that much better is because they had 2 proven guys like Damon and Matsui in there. People still haven’t warmed up to Berkman even though he is looking like he’s going to get it really going and I think people just had more faith in Damon and Matsui coming through in the clutch than Gardner and Berkman since they had done it before in pinestripes. Not my opinion but I think that’s what others feel.
Montero for Soria was a false rumor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=channel
Montero home run from yesterday.
Your children can humble you.
Alex’s 5 year old daughter’s reaction to him hitting his 600th HR was…..
“OK, great, dad. Now can we go to the pool?”
Trisha, it was said that Chamberlain wasn’t pitching in high pressure situations, but, when you’re going bad, you look for improvements and he’s showing that. I wasn’t pleased with tonight either, but, it wasn’t a high pressure situation to people on here. I beg to differ, though. Every game is a high pressure game for Chamberlain. He has an arbitration date this year and the only way to get the money is pitch better. If he pitches 8 out of every 10 games effectively, that’s the best you can hope for out of any relief pitcher not named Mariano Rivera. He’s either really good or really bad. Not much in between. 35 out of 49 scoreless games. Still has work to do to eliminate those 7 multiple run games.
There’s something fundamental I don’t understand about the “Montero can’t catch” thing.
He’s been Scranton’s primary catcher all year long. I understand that in the minors development or potential development trumps winning, but if he was truly a disaster back there do you…
a) really think that a AAA baseball club with a paid attendance of 6-7 grand a game would keep him out there
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b) that the said team would be 21 games over .500, in first place, and debatably the best team in the International League.
I understand thats a simplified way to look at it, but fundamentally I think it makes some sense.
I don’t think the Yanks offering Montero for Lee shows that they lost faith in him to stick behind the plate at all. I think the Yanks just saw it as a great opportunity to get a front of the rotation workhorse (and they would have signed him to an extension and not even let him sniff free agency) rather than anything wrong with Montero. Lee is arguably the top pitcher in the game. If you have to give up montero to get him you do it imo regardless of how great I think Montero will be. and he will be a good one even if he can’t stick behind the plate.
Don’t know what his numbers look like against but Berkman should have some history with the Ranger’s pitchers from interleague so that might be a good comfrot level series for him.
Except trisha and GB.
If you took his outing at face value, a 3-2 slider in that situation is dumb.
But if you look close (especially Scutaro’s AB) it was not a bad outing at all. He just didn’t execute the last pitch. If he does, Scutaro k’s looking
Tyler, so true.
Although I think the difference in rotations is so big that people need to look past that other stuff. Last year’s team didn’t have a legitimate fifth starter- on this year’s team that guy has probably been Burnett, who was the second best pitcher on the team last year.
It was also about a year to date that Joba started melting down- I believe the date was August 6, when he ran his record to 8-2 but also gave up 6 runs and 7 walks in 5 innings against Boston. Hard to believe he won just 1 game after that- he was virtually useless.
Also can’t forget that Andy Pettitte was a completely different pitcher last year than he’s been this year. He closed the first half not looking like he had a whole lot left in the tank and had pitched to about a 4.60 ERA for the better part of his last ~300 big league innings.
If Moseley keeps pitching this well, he could give Javy some time off, skip a turn, after andy returns. That could help Javy’s tired arm.
Great game all around, and extra good to beat Boston and that D-bag Beckett.
the yanks did not lose faith in montero. they were going to trade him for cliff lee.
NEWSFLASH, ciff lee is friggin great…………………if CLiff Lee was on the yanks they are winning the WS no doubt about it…………….
One last number that for a middle/late inning reliever is inherited runners faced and allowed. Chamberlain has had 26 inherited runners and only 5 scored. That’s not bad for anybody.
Anybody know how brackman pitched the other night?
Goodnight all
“really think that a AAA baseball club with a paid attendance of 6-7 grand a game would keep him out there”
The minor league affiliates don’t make any major decisions with regards to the players the yankees consider to be prospects.
Where Montero hits in the line up for example is decided by the yankees – not by the Scranton affiliate.
If the yankees wanted Montero to get games in as a short stop Scranton would play him there.
All that said – he hasn’t been a disaster in AAA as a catcher. He’s been at least passable. It’s not like he has multiple passed balls allowed or multiple stolen bases allowed ever night.
These are Berkman’s numbers against texas pitchers.
http://www.baseball-reference......;as=batter
NEWS FLASH
“Hopefully that doesn’t mean they lost faith in him as a catcher”.
Just got home (lunch). It was 2-0 when I left. Can’t believe Girardi made Mo warmup to pitch to one guy. He STILL doesn’t trust Robertson. What will it take? Mo’s 40 — I say we protect him when we can. At 7-2, I think we can trust Robertson to get one more out.
Glad to see Mosely and Berkman do so well, and 3 RBIs for Jete. Not a bad day. We’ve got ‘ol Beckett’s number.
The unbelievable thing about how stacked this organization is right now is that Cashman has put himself in a position where he could do virtually nothing next offseason and still return a 100 win caliber, championship team.
I can’t wait to see what ways Keith Law will devise to subtly hammer Brandon Laird and Eduardo Nunez this offseason while simultaneously elevating Ryan Kalish and the rest of Manny Ramirez and Pedro Martinez-lites in that farm system.
Next year the Yankees are going to return a bunch of talented offensive players still in their primes- Teix, Cano, Swisher, Gardner, and on the off chance he can get things right, Granderson- which without even mentioning the old, washed up presence of Rodriguez, Jeter, and Posada, is a better offensive core than Tampa can throw out there. They also have a 23 year old (Laird) and 20 year old (Montero), both of whom should be poised to play big roles next year.
It almost isn’t fair.
“The minor league affiliates don’t make any major decisions with regards to the players the yankees consider to be prospects.
Where Montero hits in the line up for example is decided by the yankees – not by the Scranton affiliate.
If the yankees wanted Montero to get games in as a short stop Scranton would play him there.
All that said – he hasn’t been a disaster in AAA as a catcher. He’s been at least passable. It’s not like he has multiple passed balls allowed or multiple stolen bases allowed ever night”
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CB, I’m aware. But you hit the point I was trying to make in your last paragraph.
I really have a difficult time believing that the Yankees would force this guy to be out there behind the plate if he was truly embarrassing himself, and if they truly didn’t think he could at least be Piazza-esque behind the plate in the majors. Its not like he’s playing for the Dade County junior league all stars, he’s playing at in AAA and holding his own back there.
GB
.273 BA against Wilson and .400 against Lee. I like it.
“Montero home run from yesterday.”
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Would it be possible for him to run around the bases any slower? lol
ron August 9th, 2010 at 12:35 am
Anybody know how brackman pitched the other night?
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Yes, and he did well.
G-C,
The situation is a bit strange. Montero looks like he’s ok behind the plate but it is AAA and there’s a huge gulf between what a catcher needs to do in AAA vs. the majors. It’s really a big difference. So that might be the concern.
The other issue is that he’s already so big that people are washing their projections of his body type into his ability to catch long term. However, “long term” might not be the be all and end all for the yankees. If Montero could catch some for say 3-4 years, then DH and then take over at 1b for Tex that would probably be fine and hardly a “waste.”
The other thing here is to compare Montero to the alternatives. Cervelli’s game has been exposed both offensively and some defensively. He’s not adding much right now. Could Montero’s net value as a back up catcher at some point next season be worse than Cervelli’s? I can’t see that unless Montero is just an unmitigated disaster behind the plate – worse than Piazza.
That said – just my opinion – but I do think the Yanks offering Montero up in a trade for Lee does suggest that they don’t feel that he has a position in the organization.
It’s difficult to know how much of the issue is him long term vs. short term vs. intermediate term. I can see both long term and short term being an issue (with short term being next season) but for late 2011 and 2012 I’d hope that he can at least catch part time while DH’ing also.
What’s very clear is that he has a very special bat.
This is a guy who profiles as a truly elite hitter – a guy with a shot to be the best pure hitter in the game one day.
the espn crew does not think this team is as good as last and they are on pace to win about 94..
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breaks out the old calculator
Yanks have a .627 winning %
162 x .627 = 101.574
hmm…looks to me like the Yanks are on pace to win about 102 games
ESPN commentators probably struggled big time on the SATs.