Yankees rally in Texas
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 11, 2010 
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After squandering chances in the seventh and eighth, the Yankees finally rallied in the ninth to beat the Rangers 7-6 and boost their lead in the American League East to a game and a half. Mariano Rivera allowed a lead-off triple in the bottom of the ninth, but retired the next three batters to get the save.
Associated Press photo of Thames
I never won’t to read another post here about how the Yankees are quitters and they have no heart etc. etc.
This win should shut up all of those posters who whine any time the Yankees lose a game.
Whatta win!!!!
LGY, is that what you took from our conversation this morning? If so, I’m sorry about that…………..oh well.
Great game! I will take the split, now lets go beat up on KC.
repost:
“How does Mo do it? How does he wiggle out of these things… unbelievable. This is probably the most satisfying win of the season for me. Great great win.”
He’s just sublime. There’s no other way to describe it. He operates at a level of performance that few human beings in any field, discipline or industry ever have.
And the thing is – it’s not really that surprising.
His mistakes and the opponents success against Mo are moments of isolated aberration. The overwhelming patter is sheer domination.
Hey I thought all those people earlier in the day had already said the Yankees had no chance to win this game? Does the team still get credit for a win in the standings even though the idiotic Internet masses declared it an impossibility?
Disheartening for the Rangers and Red Sox Nation. Gonna sleep well tonight – thank you Mo and Marcus!!!
GreenBeret7 August 11th, 2010 at 11:59 pm
Pepitone August 11th, 2010 at 11:55 pm
OK, Mo, I just lost another hair foilicle, but otherwise, I’m ok.
OK, backyard, here I come!
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Lost follicles? No problem!! You still have your gamer that you can wear in public.
# Andrew August 12th, 2010 at 12:00 am
Hey I thought all those people earlier in the day had already said the Yankees had no chance to win this game? Does the team still get credit for a win in the standings even though the idiotic Internet masses declared it an impossibility?
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Yes and no, .5 only.
LGY, is that what you took from our conversation this morning? If so, I’m sorry about that…………..oh well.
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huh?
Marcus Thames has earned approximately 6.5 million dollars throughout his major league baseball career.
In this day and age, that’s amazing.
He hit 26 HR’s one year and 25 another.
His career OPS is an even .800.
If there has been one thing I have been wrong about this season, it’s Thames.
# 38HotDogs August 12th, 2010 at 12:00 am
Disheartening for the Rangers and Red Sox Nation. Gonna sleep well tonight – thank you Mo and Marcus!!!
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Haha, imagine the Texas Rangers version of Lohud right now!
Definitely the win of the year. Fought back against a top notch team, an elite pitcher, an elite closer – on the road. Showed the heart that many “fans” accuse the Yankees of not having.
ray – it won’t. They’re like cockroaches lol.
Time for bed. I’ll sleep better tonight.
Off to Kansas City. Not to belittle the Royals, but I need a break….
Nice win. I really didn’t think they would come back against Lee with the way Lee was pitching.
I am very grateful to have been wrong.
Oh, and I don’t think Cliff Lee is good enough to be a Yankee……………………….
CB August 12th, 2010 at 12:00 am
repost:
“How does Mo do it? How does he wiggle out of these things… unbelievable. This is probably the most satisfying win of the season for me. Great great win.”
He’s just sublime. There’s no other way to describe it. He operates at a level of performance that few human beings in any field, discipline or industry ever have.
And the thing is – it’s not really that surprising.
His mistakes and the opponents success against Mo are moments of isolated aberration. The overwhelming patter is sheer domination.
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I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen Rivera sweat. I know that I don’t ever remember him getting rattled on the mound.
yeah jesusmontero, maybe you are an idiot, considering the Orioles roughed up Lee for a loss and like 3 home runs not too long ago
people don’t understand these are human beings out there
any team can win or lose on any given night and NO game is over until the last out is made
Yankees have the best team in baseball, period, win or lose they have the best collection of players in the game
they may not win every night but no team can, just hope for the best and know they’re giving their best effort
calling people who bitch about every little thing that goes wrong “worriers” is a joke and not a correct description in the slightest
So the yankees lose a heartbreaker last night with Mo having a strange inning and then falling behind 3-0 before giving up a run.
Tonight they are down 6-1 to a guy who is performing at a historically great rate. And come back to win with Mo at his best.
It’s amazing how baseball works out that way.
I wonder if Nolan Ryan and George Bush and wife
use steroids togetherare chuckling together now that they blew a huge lead with their best pitcher!Oh so the win only counts as half? So the Yankees only have 69.5 victories since they have no heart and had no chance against Cliff Lee, but somehow improbably won the game anyway. Makes sense.
Mickey Mantle wouldn’t have grounded back to Mo in the 9th.
Game ended so well no one even cares about Javy’s performance………..
CB,
If we hadn’t seen it seemingly 1,000 times before you’d think it was luck. It aint luck, he makes pitches regardless of the situation like maybe nobody else in history. His poise is just off the charts.
Mitre and Wood also were huge tonight to hold Texas where they were and give them a chance to come back. Berkman with the double and big walk to start the rally and of course Thames as well.
Loved the Hamilton to Mo, Mo looking over at Elvis, and toss Hamilton out. That was classic Mo.
# Rich in NJ August 12th, 2010 at 12:03 am
Oh, and I don’t think Cliff Lee is good enough to be a Yankee……………………….
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He’s just not clutch. He’d never be a true Yankee.
Javy pitching seems more like yesterday.
Joe,
lmao. Have a great night!! I know I will.
I bet Mariano’s steakhouse is clutch too. I’d love to have some of that clutch steak!
Since this team has no heart and can’t make comebacks Bud Selig has announced that it only makes sense to award this win to the 2009 New York Yankees.
Revise those 2009 standings. 104 wins for the Comeback Kids.
IIOIIOIIO
Heh. Yeah.
Give Washington and Ryan a break they are happy that their team is going to make the play offs for the 1st time in 20 years and then we will see them again in another 20 years. I love these 1 year wonder teams.
It’s hysterical that the posters who give up on their team in the middle of games think that real fans who accept losses but never give up on their team ‘ruin’ the blog by calling out these phony fans. You are the ones that need another blog, not actual fans.
The luck was in how Kearns was able to get that bloop. No infielder was getting it. Its those types of hits that are the ones that Mo seems to get hurt on most.
I have to go to bed. Gnight everyone. On to KC feeling good now.
raymagnetic August 11th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
I never won’t to read another post here about how the Yankees are quitters and they have no heart etc. etc.
This win should shut up all of those posters who whine any time the Yankees lose a game.
Whatta win!!!!
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It’ll shut ‘em up, Ray, until the first time they fall behind 1-0 in the first inning or don’t score in the 1st. Notice how many of the “I had complete faith in this team(ers)” have come out of the woodwork?
Great luck tonight. From the grounder that went over Feliz’ glove, to the great catch by Kearns, etc. Wish we could get more good luck like that. The blooper by Gardy as well!
“The luck was in how Kearns was able to get that bloop.”
For a 240 lb guy, Kearns moves pretty well.
# tampayank August 11th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
“# MG August 11th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Betsy August 11th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
There should be a separate blog, one for the “good” fans……….and one for the “bad”. Anyone that has less than 100% confidence in this team, who worries or actually has concerns is a bad fan, a very bad fan……….send ‘em to the cornfield.
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‘worries about the team’? How about all the posts that the game was over in the 5th innings, that the team quit, that players had no guts, yadda, yadda, yadda, that’s what’s embarrassing.
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There is nothing wrong about venting after the predictable Vazquez/ AJ blow ups on the mound and NO ONE would feel confident coming down 5 runs to Cliff Lee the way he’s been dealing.
What is worst than negative posters? Posters that call out anyone for venting about their team….we’re all on the same side, this stuff just ruins the blog
# Andrew August 12th, 2010 at 12:03 am
Oh so the win only counts as half? So the Yankees only have 69.5 victories since they have no heart and had no chance against Cliff Lee, but somehow improbably won the game anyway. Makes sense.
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Haha, I was being facetious. You didn’t really take that seriously, did you?
Well we don’t have another blog, so here we stay…………I’m a phony fan, ok.
Tex better hurry back if he doesn’t want to get wally pipped by Thames. He could arrive at the Royals game and see he is batting 6th.
Kearns looked like he kept chewing his gum the whole way and never got concerned about that little jamshot to RF in the 9th. The sno-cone finish on the play made it even more terrifying than it needed to be.
Mo will say just take it one batter at a time. What else do you do?
That Kearns play was crazy though. He looks like a player from the 70′s out there with his uniform and his hair hanging out everywhere and low and behold he made 70′s like play complete with the ball hanging out of his glove!
GB7-
He’s just incomparable. His “failures” are only illustrations of the sheer limit of performance possible in the game.
Skill is what wins. But there’s a random component to the game that no one can really control.
Mo doesn’t really falter as much as that randomness rears it’s head. It’s all the flares, etc. That’s not a lack of skill or faltering in performance. It’s the structure and nature of the game at it’s limit.
He’s just the greatest.
I can’t imagine this team without him. I really can’t. You probably felt that way about Mantle (though maybe not with his knees….).
He’s an absolute legend.
goodnight all! Thamesie came up huge tonight! He really is a valuable part of this team. I hope the idiots that hate the guy saw his performance tonight. He aint the best, but he certainly can get the job done!
Good night Yankee people!
What a win tonight
Tampa, you did go WAY over the top calling the team a bunch of aA***** holes………that’s ridiculous, I’m sorry. Overall I agree with you, though. Fans calling out other fans for daring to have the opinion that the Yankees aren’t some great team and may not be the best team in baseball are priceless………I want them to prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Yankees are the best team unquestionably. Until they do, until they show facts, then it’s just their opinion.
tampayank wrote:
What is worst than negative posters? Posters that call out anyone for venting about their team….we’re all on the same side, this stuff just ruins the blog
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I agree.
CR9 August 12th, 2010 at 12:03 am
I wonder if Nolan Ryan and George Bush and wife use steroids together are chuckling together now that they blew a huge lead with their best pitcher
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CR9
Everyone is excited and enjoying a sweet come back win – but you find it necessary to take a political cheap shot.
You continue to cement your reputation as a “jerk”
What a win…
http://newyorkstateofsports.co.....3-yankees/
IIOIIOIIO, I was just going with the joke, I figured you were kidding.
Chances are that winner of the East will play the Central, because it’s not likely that a Central team is catching Texas.
Betsy,
That comment wasn’t directed at you. You have never said anything ridiculous like this team has no heart.
Wow… K-Rod arrested in Citi Field after an altercation with his father-in-law… he was sent to the hospital.
the following Yankees sucked tonight: Vazquez, Swish (he did make a great throw to 3rd), and Posada.
DFA all of them, or better yet, just shoot them, right, phony fans?
Lost follicles? No problem!! You still have your gamer that you can wear in public.
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Darn, I forgot about my gamer!
Good job GB7!
Now I can go in style!
Uh oh, I think I hear a siren. Oh, well, at least I go with a smile on my face!
Mo is the best athlete I have ever seen play. I don’t think I’m off in saying the Yankees probably don’t have a single ring in the last 15 years without Mo on the team.
# Andrew August 12th, 2010 at 12:10 am
IIOIIOIIO, I was just going with the joke, I figured you were kidding.
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Haha, oh thank god.
Vazquez is lucky that the Yanks came back to win this game. Now the media will be easier on him in the post game. They will over look the fact that he was dreadful again.
Are there really people who hate thames? He has been our best acquisition of 2010. By far actually. He came in to hit left handed pitching. That is exactly what he has done and he has done it well. Tonight he got to two righties, that’s gravy.
Betsy, in case you didn’t realize it, the YANKEES HAVE THE BEST RECORD IN BASEBALL
do YOU have any PROOF that they ARENT the best team in baseball???
ugh
K-Rod arrested for third degree assault on his father-in-law.
per SNY – K-Rod charged with 3rd degree assult tonight. He sent his father-in-law to the hospital
LGY, ok thanks……… not that it matters, though. I believe what I believe even if no one else does – it doesn’t bother me to be in the minority.
Stunning win . . . still a lot of areas that need attention, but a very nice momentum swinger
Carlo I think most of the issues Yankee fans have with Thames are in regard to his abysmal fielding. Now that they have Kearns he never has to touch grass again.
UGH KEVIN – you have a hard time with opinions that differ from your own? Sad………….what are you doing on a blog if you only want to deal with people who agree with you?
Apparently, K-Rod was upset about not coming into the game in the 8th when the Mets led 2-1. The Mets subsequently lost 6-2. Not sure how his father-in-law factors into that.
With that out of the way…. what a clown.
Betsy, you are a loyal, constantly worried fan. That’s a far cry from calling the team quitters, deciding the game is over in the 5th inning, or any of the other comments on this blog when the Yankees are behind. I don’t care if you worry, I care when alleged ‘fans’ quit on their team and call them ‘chokers’.
“K-Rod arrested for third degree assault on his father-in-law.”
He probably had it coming.
More seriously, when I read the headline, I was just hoping (for his sake) that it better not be of a woman.
“# Betsy August 12th, 2010 at 12:10 am
Tampa, you did go WAY over the top calling the team a bunch of aA***** holes………that’s ridiculous, I’m sorry. Overall I agree with you, though. Fans calling out other fans for daring to have the opinion that the Yankees aren’t some great team and may not be the best team in baseball are priceless………I want them to prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Yankees are the best team unquestionably. Until they do, until they show facts, then it’s just their opinion.
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If you look back at my posts tonight I never said that. I said “this game is over” after Vazquez gave up that hit to make it 4-1 and my occasional Melky joke referring to Gardner but nothing over the top about the team ‘being some expletive’
On another point – a couple of short weeks ago there was wide spread concern about the yankees pen.
How huge were they tonight. Mo of course is mo. But Mitre and Wood were just fantastic.
Imagine if Cliff Lee threw this exact game only as a Yankee. People would be howling mad calling him a choker and a guy who couldn’t handle New York because he didn’t have the mental toughness, etc.
Yankees fans would be livid with Lee for not getting through this game up 6-1. Cliff Lee is not an ace!
CB August 12th, 2010 at 12:08 am
GB7-
He’s just incomparable. His “failures” are only illustrations of the sheer limit of performance possible in the game.
Skill is what wins. But there’s a random component to the game that no one can really control.
Mo doesn’t really falter as much as that randomness rears it’s head. It’s all the flares, etc. That’s not a lack of skill or faltering in performance. It’s the structure and nature of the game at it’s limit.
He’s just the greatest.
I can’t imagine this team without him. I really can’t. You probably felt that way about Mantle (though maybe not with his knees….).
He’s an absolute legend.
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In my Yankee lifetime, there’s only 3 pitchers that I wanted on the mound in the 9th inning of a must win. Whitey Ford, Ron Guidry and Mariano Rivera. With a bat and needing a run with runners on base, in their prime, Berra, Mantle, Jeter and Rodriguez.
Thames is not a good fielder and his defense has cost us…..but frankly, our catcher is the biggest defensive nightmare.
Wow… K-Rod arrested in Citi Field after an altercation with his father-in-law… he was sent to the hospital.
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What a bunch of head cases the Mets have. Their ace is being sued for raping someone and now the closer punches his step father..You can’t make these things up. lol
betsy if i didn’t want to “deal” with people that didn’t agree with me, why would i have even bothered to address your comment? are you that dense?
The condescending “I told you so” comments during/after wins are just as bad as the comments themselves.
People say things during the heat of the battle… it happens. The eternal positive ones are not better fans than those who are somewhat skeptical. Different strokes…
Vazquez is lucky that the Yanks came back to win this game. Now the media will be easier on him in the post game. They will over look the fact that he was dreadful again.
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the media might be easy on him but Girardi might have a decision to make. I suggest he treat him like Torre did Kenny Rogers in ’96. Pitch him until he shows the slightest hint of a meltdown then pull him. I think Torre might have pulled Rogers in the 4th inning of a playoff game once. Girardi might think of using the same method with AJ. He’s going to need Ace to come back strong if he wants to do both though.
Great TEAM win.
It don’t get better than this – Fight back against Lee and beat the Rangers.
This could very well be a turning point in the season, and the Yankees take off from here with a long winning streak.
What will they be crying about tomorrow. I hope this game shuts up the whiners.
Thanks for the kind words CB. I really appreciate it.
Great, Great win. Some good momentum going into KC. Also puts something in te back of the mind of the Rangers and Mr. Lee come October. The Yanks are the World Champs. You have to play 9 innings to play with the big boys.
Vazquez and his dead arm – if he can’t throw faster than 88 MPH, he should be cut from the playoff roster and Hughes should take his spot.
Pepitone August 12th, 2010 at 12:11 am
Lost follicles? No problem!! You still have your gamer that you can wear in public.
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Darn, I forgot about my gamer!
Good job GB7!
Now I can go in style!
Uh oh, I think I hear a siren. Oh, well, at least I go with a smile on my face!
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Damned. he was one funny guy. Imagine if he had taken the game more seriously. He had as much talent as anybody in baseball.
# Rich in NJ August 12th, 2010 at 12:14 am
“K-Rod arrested for third degree assault on his father-in-law.”
He probably had it coming.
More seriously, when I read the headline, I was just hoping (for his sake) that it better not be of a woman.
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if the ‘victor’ was a woman, the most likely scenario would have been ‘woman’ walk away after pummel K-Rod in a third degree beating.
beedogs August 11th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
ugh time for mo to crap the bed again.
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Captain Clutch August 11th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
Here we go with Mo again?.That is why insurance runs were so important. Game is as good as tied. Unreal..
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Good call guys. Why not to have faith in the greatest ever? It?s one thing to get frustrated during a game..I know sure do, but you have to have faith in Mo. He?s gotten out of jams like this countless times?.got out of a bases loaded no out jam in Arizona a few months ago.
MG, I’m glad you clarified it because I really detest being called out for being a worrier. I agree about all the other stuff…..and I would be embarrassed to post that stuff here. There have been times I’ve yelled at the TV and said stuff I obviously never really meant, but some folks actually seem to hate the team. Captain DP? I can’t deal with that nickname – it makes me sick to hear Jeter treated that way. The Yankees don’t owe ANYONE anything – except to play hard.
“# Jim August 11th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
Nolan is pissed, he wanted to show off in front of the worst president in history. That’s why Washington choked and brought in his closer when he had no business doing so.
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Obama is making a run for that title*
i say it again.
i admit i say i though yanks have no shot againsyt cliff le..
so by all means, please rip me
The SNY crew are speculating that KRod was upset about not coming into the game today and he took out his frustrations on his relative…
Bret The Hitman August 12th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Vazquez and his dead arm – if he can’t throw faster than 88 MPH, he should be cut from the playoff roster and Hughes should take his spot.
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Wouldn’t it be more or less be Burnett that would take his spot? Pretty sure Hughes has pitched himself into a game 3 start. Or even a guy like Gaudin who could be used as a long reliever or Vaz?
“It’ll shut ‘em up, Ray, until the first time they fall behind 1-0 in the first inning or don’t score in the 1st. Notice how many of the “I had complete faith in this team(ers)” have come out of the woodwork?”
So true. At least we have a good 30 hours of not having to hear about how soft the team is.
Tampa, my apologies; there was another Tampafan that I got confused with you – I should have known that wasn’t your style.
# Bret The Hitman August 12th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Vazquez and his dead arm – if he can’t throw faster than 88 MPH, he should be cut from the playoff roster and Hughes should take his spot.
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dead arm has nothing to do with him pitching tentative and not being able to locate, i.e walking Molina.
“With a bat and needing a run with runners on base, in their prime, Berra, Mantle, Jeter and Rodriguez.”
I would add Mattingly.
I still say Moseley over Vazquez, except when they need to skip Hughes a turn or two. Let Vazquez work long relief for the most part.
I can’t believe reading through some posts that some idiot said, “Cliff Lee is not an ace.”
Morons like that should take up shuffle board as a sport to follow, they sure don’t know baseball.
# tampayank August 12th, 2010 at 12:18 am
“# Jim August 11th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
Nolan is pissed, he wanted to show off in front of the worst president in history. That’s why Washington choked and brought in his closer when he had no business doing so.
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Obama is making a run for that title*
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Politics have absolutely no place on this board.
i don’t believe it. yanks struck out 17 times in a 9 inning game and still won
What about Gehrig? He was an RBI machine. Granted he’s before our time, but I’d take him over any of the above.
and on the other side of town, krod arrested on 3rd degree assault for beating down in father in law who had to leave in an ambulance.
Speculating as to what set K-Rod off is irresponsible…………and no matter what the provocation, K-Rod has no excuse for his behavior. What a mess………I hope his father-in-law is ok.
big win to keep the lead 1.5 over the Rays, hopefully they take care of business against KC
I’ll still take Lee thank you very much. 0BBs and 11K’s and sadly that is lower than his season k/BB ratio which is over 14…. the next highest guy in the league is i think pavano at 4. unbeliavable stuff.
the Yankees lead baseball in come from behind wins yet this blog is overrun with comments about the lack of heart whenever they are behind.
they should have won last night and the last game against the Sox but didn’t. That’s baseball. They probably shouldn’t have won tonight but did, that’s baseball also. It’s a game where 30% success gets you in the Hall of Fame, there is no sure thing, that’s something many of you will never understand. It’s also a big reason why many of you will never truly appreciate the sport.
Haha. Check this out, Chop got lit up again tonight. Sure glad Cash has improved the pen over Chop. He is horrible. Funny how he got smoked again on a night where are pen shined.
BIG AL August 12th, 2010 at 12:20 am
I can’t believe reading through some posts that some idiot said, “Cliff Lee is not an ace.”
Morons like that should take up shuffle board as a sport to follow, they sure don’t know baseball
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I’m not sure exactly what post you’re referring to, but there were numerous people who said something like that in a sarcastic manner.
# Rich in NJ August 12th, 2010 at 12:20 am
“With a bat and needing a run with runners on base, in their prime, Berra, Mantle, Jeter and Rodriguez.”
I would add Mattingly.
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i take Bernie or Mattingly . never seen Berra, Mick
Thank goodness K-Rod does not pitch for the Yankees, I say that every time I see that guy. This incident only adds to that.
In my Yankee lifetime, there’s only 3 pitchers that I wanted on the mound in the 9th inning of a must win. Whitey Ford, Ron Guidry and Mariano Rivera. With a bat and needing a run with runners on base, in their prime, Berra, Mantle, Jeter and Rodriguez.
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I date back only to the 70s, so I’m partial to the Goose, although I am of the opinion that only recently have people begun to comprehend Mariano’s greatness.
As for being up with runners on, in his prime, Hideki Matsui was one of the best. He was a great situational hitter – we could count on him to make contact in those situations and get those runs in.
Tyler,
Maybe, but none of us really know for sure what their plan is for innings limits on Hughes.
Whatever the case, with Vazquez pitching with a dead arm, he’s no longer looking like the Game 4 starter.
Also with the way the pen is shaping up, it doesn’t look like it desperately requires Hughes there.
So Vazquez is pitching his way off the playoff roster.
“I can’t believe reading through some posts that some idiot said, “Cliff Lee is not an ace.””
Big Al-
I wrote that and was being facetious. My point was that if Cliff Lee had thrown this game next season when he was in Yankee pinstripes plenty of yankee fans would have been saying things like he’s not an ace rather than giving credit to the opposition for getting big hits when it was needed.
Cliff Lee was up 6-1 and didn’t get out of the 7nth. That would have caused a torrent of outrage with yankee fans regardless of his brilliant track record.
“Politics have absolutely no place on this board.”
Really, although it’s tough not to respond.
Steinbrenner would have loved a night like this – Yankees come back from 5 down against a top pitcher and Mets player hauled away in cuffs after a loss.
Wow, someone posted this stat from Sportscenter:
Mo has had a tying run on third (no one else on) 14 times in his career, and batters are 0-14 with 0 RBIs against him in those spots.
Ok, lol
k-rod must have mistaken his father-in-law for bruney
Tyler August 12th, 2010 at 12:22 am
I’ll still take Lee thank you very much. 0BBs and 11K’s and sadly that is lower than his season k/BB ratio which is over 14…. the next highest guy in the league is i think pavano at 4. unbeliavable stuff
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I believe he’s on pace to break the record for best k/bb ratio that is held by Saberhagen.
Any word on if he yelled “Who is Brian Bruney” while he was pushing his father in law?
last year’s team just surged right after the all star break, before tonight the Yanks lost 6 of 9 and the offense was tough to watch at times…..I can see why there were/are complaints(me included)….it’s not the same as 2009……it’s playing out different but hopefully it ends the same
Kerry Wood taking away innings from Joba and Chan Ho Park has helped to save this pen.
Kearns made a miracle catch.
Gardner showed signs of breaking out of his slump.
Berkman drew the key walk.
Thames cemented his place on the roster through the post season.
Mo was Mo.
It was a great win.
I would go CC, Pettitte, Hughes in the playoffs, with Burnett getting the 4th start as/if needed
“Also with the way the pen is shaping up, it doesn’t look like it desperately requires Hughes there.”
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Even if the pen wasn’t shaping up it wouldn’t make sense to put Hughes there is he was one of your 4 best starters and he clearly is.
Starting pitching is much more important in the playoffs than the bridge to Mo.
“Mo has had a tying run on third (no one else on) 14 times in his career, and batters are 0-14 with 0 RBIs against him in those spots.”
I saw that but it went by quickly and I almost couldn’t believe it.
He’s just amazing.
Still can’t believe someone actually said that Mo was “about to crap the bed again.”
Brett-
If the Yanks are serious about winning #28 this year they need to remove the innings limit on Hughes in the playoffs. Now granted that does not mean abusing him to the tune of 150 pitches a start but he represents really their only option in having a legitimate starting rotation 1-3 at least. Sabathia, Pettite, Hughes is a World Series caliber rotation. The dropoff from Hughes to Burnett or Vazquez is scary.
Girardi just has to be smarter and have a VERY quick hook with Vazquez and AJ. Everyone knows with those 2 guys 4-5 runs can be scored in seconds. Girardi always lets them give up their 5 run innings and then he takes them out when it’s too late. Just like when he let AJ give up 6 runs in one inning to the Jays. He has to be prepared when these things happen and get them out before it kills the team.
“# Rich in NJ August 12th, 2010 at 12:23 am
“Politics have absolutely no place on this board.”
Really, although it’s tough not to respond.
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yep I had to respond to that comment. I didn’t bring it up. There should be a respect of the position no matter what side you lean…the guy was enjoying baseball
Don’t lump Thames in with Granderson, Berkman, etc. He’s been quietly doing what they’ve asked him to do all season — that is, hit lefties. Tonight he was the hero by hitting very tough righties as well.
# Rich in NJ August 12th, 2010 at 12:23 am
“Politics have absolutely no place on this board.”
Really, although it’s tough not to respond.
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Agree, which is why they shouldn’t be brought up at all. Because it’s so hard not to respond all that winds up happening is a huge argument breaks out and the board is divided. Even people who liked each other as a result of their conversations on the threads start realizing someone they respected is a Democrat/Republican and things can change. Baseball should be a release from the difficulties of the world, not a place where you need to be reminded about how bad things are/were.
So Berkman, Kearns and Wood have all had their moments……….have they ruined the chemistry yet?
CB -
Sorry, I was trying to catch up, and was reading through too quickly. I can’t imagine any baseball fan not thinking of Lee as a true ace. We battled hard tonight, and doing against Lee could sure be a spark for a long run. Sorry again.
Damned. he was one funny guy. Imagine if he had taken the game more seriously. He had as much talent as anybody in baseball.
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\He also was one sharp dresser. Ya gotta love those fur coats.
He and Namath were the toast of New York back in the late 60′s and early 70′s.
# tampayank August 12th, 2010 at 12:27 am
“# Rich in NJ August 12th, 2010 at 12:23 am
“Politics have absolutely no place on this board.”
Really, although it’s tough not to respond.
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yep I had to respond to that comment. I didn’t bring it up. There should be a respect of the position no matter what side you lean…the guy was enjoying baseball
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Yeah, I understand that if someone insults your political sensibilities it’s difficult not to make a rebuttal. I don’t blame you necessarily, I just said what I said as a general rule. Religion and politics just do not mix with entertainment.
# YankFanCA August 12th, 2010 at 12:25 am
I would go CC, Pettitte, Hughes in the playoffs, with Burnett getting the 4th start as/if needed
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I think Joe will go with
CC
Burnett
Pettite
Hughes
Pettite has the pedigree to handle game 3 which is pivotal in my mind.
Yeah, that crap the bed comment was beyond the pale.
Mo is the only player EVER that I have never been upset with, not once……even when he’s blown those rare games.
He’s a legend in his own time and when he retires, you’re going to see players and people around the game talk of him with awe.
Tyler,
I like that 1-2-3 of CC, Pettitte and Hughes.
Hughes is really in uncharted territory as this is his first full year of starting.
Hopefully he can sustain his endurance through the whole regular season and playoffs.
Javy throwing 88 does not get him on the playoff roster. If this dead arm period is permanent, Vazquez won’t make the cut.
“If the Yanks are serious about winning #28 this year they need to remove the innings limit on Hughes in the playoffs. ”
Hughes will be in the playoff rotation. The organization has clearly placed enormous value in pitchers who can miss bats and not walk guys. That’s Hughes.
The goal for this franchise is rings. Hughes is going to take the ball in the rotation in October.
# Betsy August 12th, 2010 at 12:29 am
Yeah, that crap the bed comment was beyond the pale.
Mo is the only player EVER that I have never been upset with, not once……even when he’s blown those rare games.
He’s a legend in his own time and when he retires, you’re going to see players and people around the game talk of him with awe.
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Never, ever upset when he blows a game. It always seems like a aberration, not the beginning of a routine. Even yesterday, I wasn’t the least bit worried about the loss, it was just one of those days.
Tampayank, If your political sensibilities lead you to think George Bush was a good president you have to reconsider if you have any sensibilities at all. The guy is a war criminal.
In response to Kim Jones asking him about his tired arm, Vazquez said that he’s “used to throwing 91-94″. He doesn’t know why his velocity is down. He said his arm “feels good, that’s why it’s frustrating…I got a lot of innings in my arm, maybe it’s catching up to me.”
CB -
Girardi has already stated that in the post season all innings limits are off. Hughes will pitch in the post season, if he continues to show he deserves a spot in the rotation, which as of now, I believe he does.
The bullpen has been really good recently. The next order of business is getting the 2 head cases Vazquez and AJ better. They both always seem to give up big homeruns in the worst spots.
“Javy throwing 88 does not get him on the playoff roster. If this dead arm period is permanent, Vazquez won’t make the cut.”
Dead arm is almost by definition not permanent.
As long as it’s dead arm it’s not going to last that persistently. He’ll pitch through it – that’s why they wanted him to start today.
It’s not that big a deal.
# CB August 12th, 2010 at 12:30 am
“If the Yanks are serious about winning #28 this year they need to remove the innings limit on Hughes in the playoffs. ”
Hughes will be in the playoff rotation. The organization has clearly placed enormous value in pitchers who can miss bats and not walk guys. That’s Hughes.
The goal for this franchise is rings. Hughes is going to take the ball in the rotation in October.
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i am pretty sure i heard Joe G and Cashman speaking in effect of that the gloves will be off for Hughes in the playoff. which logically when you think about it , contradicts with the whole concept of inning limit. but ,eh.
Tyler, innings limits go out the window in the post-season………IF Phil starts, no problem. The innings are going to be a problem from now until the end of the year, though. He pitched 6 innings last out – that brought him to 122 IP, I think. That means he’s got about 50 innings in him………I really hate seeing him skipped again as it’s apparent that he thrives on routine. Also, he seems to be getting something of a 2nd wind at this point. His stuff isn’t as good as it was earlier and he’s not dominating, but he’s been better recently. Perhaps it means that he’s gotten through the worst of it….
just saw yanks missed greinke again
Good night folks – Very severe weather here in NC, got to shut it down.
“With a bat and needing a run with runners on base, in their prime, Berra, Mantle, Jeter and Rodriguez.”
I would add Mattingly.
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Rodriguez? No way!
For me its -
Berra, Gehrig, Ruth, Mantle, DiMaggio, Munson, Mattingly, Jeter, and Matsui.
Rich in NJ August 12th, 2010 at 12:33 am
In response to Kim Jones asking him about his tired arm, Vazquez said that he’s “used to throwing 91-94?. He doesn’t know why his velocity is down. He said his arm “feels good, that’s why it’s frustrating…I got a lot of innings in my arm, maybe it’s catching up to me.”
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That comment doesn’t really build up too much confidence in Javy. The guy is struggling and his stuff is down but I give him alot of credit in the fact that he takes the ball every 5th day. He fought through an injury in ’04 when the rotation needed it and fans blasted him. If he’s doing the same now then it is just tough. The guy fights out there but he doesn’t have many bullets out there right now.
tampayank, Jim – Let’s put partisan differences aside here? I strongly agree with one of you, but this isn’t the place. So, as Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives, but all Yankees fans, in the name of charity and good will, let us unite with one voice with our common message.
Red Sox Suck.
IIOO, yep. I actually get upset FOR Mo, not at him. Remember after he gave up the walk off HR to Ichiro last year? Not long after, he was eating an ice cream cone and enjoying it, lol. The guy has perspective I probably will never have………………and that’s helped him last. He’s one of the classiest players to ever grace a diamond; compare his reaction after a save to the embarrassing hystrionics Paplebon and co. go through.
K-Rod channeling his inner Ugueth Urbina.
what a hot-head. it’s only a matter of time before he loses his cool against the wrong guy.
Jim you should drop it like everyone else suggested
By getting through the worst, I mean that maybe his arm has adjusted now and is bouncing back; the last time he pitched close to this many innings was 2006, when he through 146 in AAA
umbrelladoc I responded once to Jim, he’s trying to keep it going…
Treat it like an Irish bar. No politics/no religion.
I really contemplated just walking Hamilton after he fell behind 2-0 but then he threw a good pitch and voila. I never believed Vlad was going to do something in that spot.
Great game for those who stuck it out and especially for those who stuck it out in here.
Kearns, Berkman and Wood all helped their team win tonight. What more can you ask from a player?
Betsy August 12th, 2010 at 12:36 am
IIOO, yep. I actually get upset FOR Mo, not at him. Remember after he gave up the walk off HR to Ichiro last year? Not long after, he was eating an ice cream cone and enjoying it, lol. The guy has perspective I probably will never have………………and that’s helped him last. He’s one of the classiest players to ever grace a diamond; compare his reaction after a save to the embarrassing hystrionics Paplebon and co. go through
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That ice cream cone anecdote seriously defines just who he is as a major league baseball player. It is his job, and he never seems to “bring it home with him.” It truly is a lesson for the rest of us. Do you job, and do it to the best of your ability, everything after that is out of your control. I’m not nearly old enough for the Mantle and Dimaggio days, but Rivera is by far my favorite Yankee.
# tampayank August 12th, 2010 at 12:38 am
umbrelladoc I responded once to Jim, he’s trying to keep it going…
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And you’re a bigger person for letting it go. We all truly appreciate it.
CB, here is my take . I have seen Vasquez pitch with ‘good’ arm @90 mph or @ ‘dead’ arm @ 85-88 against a good hitting team . He is essentially the same, tentative and afraid to attack the zone results in getting bombed and early exit. when you consider the elite competition in the playoff, what do you think his most effective role will be.
the way I see it, in the pen as a long man or not on the roster period.
Pepitone August 12th, 2010 at 12:28 am
Damned. he was one funny guy. Imagine if he had taken the game more seriously. He had as much talent as anybody in baseball.
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\He also was one sharp dresser. Ya gotta love those fur coats.
He and Namath were the toast of New York back in the late 60’s and early 70’s.
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One of the funny stories about Joe Pep was that he bought a new Pontiac Bonneville convertible and a speedboat and parked them on the streets of Brooklyn. Mantle said that the boat was never put in the water. Joe just towed it around a lot. When Mantle and Ford first saw the car and boat, the first thing Mantle asked him was “Weren’t you the kid that got shot in the stomach in high school?” Joe Pep said, “Yeah, but, it was just a misunderstanding.” Mantle and Ford were howling.
Ignore him tampayank. Not worth yours, or anyone else’s time.
It’s time to open up a little space over the next 11 games. This is the easiest stretch facing them before season’s end.
# umbrelladoc August 12th, 2010 at 12:36 am
tampayank, Jim – Let’s put partisan differences aside here? I strongly agree with one of you, but this isn’t the place. So, as Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives, but all Yankees fans, in the name of charity and good will, let us unite with one voice with our common message.
Red Sox Suck.
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Haha, agreed.
No, it really doesn’t contradict the innings limits thing. IL are based on a 6 month season; the post-season is another month, therefore you can add innings. That’s how the Yankees think of it.
Jim
Please stop.
Giving Hughes the 3 spot in the playoff rotation is definitely not set in stone. Granted, AJ drives me insane with his up and down games.
This decision can only be made after seeing how they both finish down the stretch. When he’s on AJ, can be one of the best. I give him props for game 2 of the WS last year. Howevever, by no means am I happy with his near 5 ERA or how he tanked the month of June.
I still need to see if Hughes can learn to be more efficient and finish off hitters. The risk with him in a playoff game is throwing over 100 after only 5 innings.
No way we should be handing this spot to Hughes just yet.
Chen pitching tomorrow?
“It’s time to open up a little space over the next 11 games. This is the easiest stretch facing them before season’s end.”
19 of our final 22 games are against the Rangers, Sox, Jays, and Rays.
If I need an out in the ninth inning, and the Yanks are up by one, and there are no outs and the bases are loaded, and I had the pick of any pitcher from Yankee history in their prime to get those last three outs I would choose …
Mariano Rivera.
No one comes even close.
And I saw Whitey, Louisiana Lightin’, Catfish, and Goose in their prime.
IIOO, Mo is my favorite as well………I can’t choose between him and Donnie (I worshipped that man, lol). The man should be elected to the HOF right now………..waive that 5 year waiting period
Tampayank, next time if you don’t want to make it into something, let it go the first time.
another lefty, well Lee got the guys ready
Almost every player contributed to tonights win which makes it so sweet. Even Posada who I was on earlier and was having a horrendous game was able to work a nice walk. All guys made plays especially the new guys. Grandy ran the bases well. Good, good win.
Rabid Yankee, I agree with that for the most part…………
oh and I was letting it go after your comment until you kept bringing it up with other people
“I can see why there were/are complaints(me included)?.it?s not the same as 2009??it?s playing out different but hopefully it ends the same”
As of 8/11/09 70-43
As of 8/11/10 70-43
Weren’t you the kid that got shot in the stomach in high school?” Joe Pep said, “Yeah, but, it was just a misunderstanding.” Mantle and Ford were howling.
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Yep, that was Pep alright, LOL!
OMG jim stop it.
Bush did the best he could have done with the situation that was dealt to him.
was there EVER another attack on American soil that took innocent american lives? no! That’s because he did what he needed to do to protect americans, and he succeeded. End of Story.
Well, those games are opportunities for the Yanks to take care of the Rays and Sox permanently
“I have seen Vasquez pitch with ‘good’ arm @90 mph or @ ‘dead’ arm @ 85-88 against a good hitting team He is essentially the same, tentative and afraid to attack the zone results in getting bombed and early exit.”
I disagree with that statement. Javy was terrible to start the season but then got better. Quite honestly for a good stretch of time he was the yankees second best starter. He wasn’t great but he was fine.
He’s had a drop off again and it’s related to him once again having a down tick in his velocity.
All that said, I also most likely wouldn’t have Javy in the post season rotation. I would definitely have CC, Andy and Hughes in the rotation. Most likely I’d take AJ but he also hasn’t been throwing great.
Javy’s helped keep the rotation together for a pretty long stretch. He’s been a decent mid rotation guy when his velocity was at least 88-91.
Drivenbyjeter2 August 12th, 2010 at 12:45 am
OMG jim stop it.
Bush did the best he could have done with the situation that was dealt to him.
was there EVER another attack on American soil that took innocent american lives? no! That’s because he did what he needed to do to protect americans, and he succeeded. End of Story
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You’re not helping things.
Drivenbyjeter2, do you really want to get into this? Give me your email address and we’ll take this offline.
Better yet, take it “Under The Banner!”
Maybe you’ll get lucky enough to get arrested and spend the night with KRod in The Tombs.
the top 3 yankee starters are cc, pettitte, then hughes. aj is not in the top 3 regardless of his paycheck.
we have about 8 more javy starts and then his yankee career is probably over. 88 is not enough he needs to throw harder else he is toast…
jorge is teaching a rundown clinic tommorrow on the pregame show…….
Please no more politics.
And saying no more politics while trying to get the last word in as part of the comment is completely counter productive.
Everyone just stop.
Naw, Im goood. Im done. Just wanted to make my point
We could go both ways, with how the man that’s in office right now is totally destroying this country,economy, and health system for years to come.
BUT, everyone has their own opinions and has the RIGHT to their opinion. Just wanted to voice mine! No need for some off-blog political debate.
BUT,
—- GREAT win tonight though. I was sure it was gonna be a repeat of last night when Andrus got that triple. But Mariano was Mariano tonight and did the job.
How about some love for Marcus Thames!?
Telling that M. Rivera never liked K-Rod. Asked that K-Rod not be given a nearby locker in AL (Yankee) clubhouse for 2008 All-Star Game.
wow
please no bush talk. he is a baffoon and only revisionist can make his presidency look remotely decent. for the clowns that do not remember he implemented the TARP which I agreed with even though I hate the shyster banks because else we would have had a depression not the bad recession we have or had.
Drivenbyjeter2 August 12th, 2010 at 12:50 am
Naw, Im goood. Im done. Just wanted to make my point
We could go both ways, with how the man that’s in office right now is totally destroying this country,economy, and health system for years to come.
BUT, everyone has their own opinions and has the RIGHT to their opinion. Just wanted to voice mine! No need for some off-blog political debate.
BUT,
—- GREAT win tonight though. I was sure it was gonna be a repeat of last night when Andrus got that triple. But Mariano was Mariano tonight and did the job.
How about some love for Marcus Thames!
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You just did exactly what CB asked you not to do. Whenever you say anything about politics, don’t you realize you’re upsetting about half the people here? Keep it to yourself. And that goes for everyone.
Will you guys take your politics somewhere else?
I come here to get away from all things political. I am sick and tired of the fighting in the political arena.
This is our place to talk baseball, let’s keep it that way. Thank You.
Some people need to get banned in this thread. Please. Knock. It. Off.
ok so I guess everyone wants their last word…..have fun with that. Good night! Go Yanks
Ledger_Yankees
Granderson played down the swing changes he’s making with Long. Says it’s just a matter of simplification.
i love the bushie fans that think he did such a great job to stop any addtl. bombings on US soil. Like he was not the president during 9/11. that is called dumbing things down and lowering your standards..
btw we can have a terrorist attack under any president but the point is the absurdity that the bush apologists act like he was not the president for 9 months before the attack. I know it was Obamas fault…..
How much of a change can Granderson’s swing adjustment be? and How much of a difference can it make?
Swishers was done in an entire offseason….
little bit of minor league talk here, every time I check the boxscore for AAA yanks, Jorge Vazquez seem to driving in run for Scranton. He doesn’t have a great batting average nor slugging pct. But the Guy seem to know how to drive in runs. I am hoping he gets a couple coffee in Sept.
“Granderson played down the swing changes he’s making with Long. Says it’s just a matter of simplification.”
Giving himself a cop out incase the results don’t change….
Ledger_Yankees
Vazquez: “I’ve got a lot of innings in my arm. Maybe it’s catching up to me.”
# Yank 97 August 12th, 2010 at 12:56 am
“Granderson played down the swing changes he’s making with Long. Says it’s just a matter of simplification.”
Giving himself a cop out incase the results don’t change….
man shut the hell up.
Drivenbyjeter2 August 12th, 2010 at 12:50 am
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Stick a sock in it, Jetes.
Somehow one of the worst game threads ever is getting worse.
Time to dream I can throw a cut fastball……
# Cashmoney August 12th, 2010 at 12:56 am
little bit of minor league talk here, every time I check the boxscore for AAA yanks, Jorge Vazquez seem to driving in run for Scranton. He doesn’t have a great batting average nor slugging pct. But the Guy seem to know how to drive in runs. I am hoping he gets a couple coffee in Sept.
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I am really excited for September call ups this year, it could be quite interesting.
PeteAbe
Nice dichotomy in NYC tonight. #Yankees do what they do best and the embarrassing #Mets do what they do best.
# Bronx Jeers August 12th, 2010 at 12:57 am
Somehow one of the worst game threads ever is getting worse.
Time to dream I can throw a cut fastball……
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This is truly epic tonight.
Vazquez: “I’ve had a decent career but honestly I’m an NL pitcher. I can’t compete with the big boys in the AL, I can’t pitch well against any good hitting team because I have mediocre stuff and I pitch scared. I’m pitching myself right off the postseason roster.”
# Yank 97 August 12th, 2010 at 12:56 am
“Granderson played down the swing changes he’s making with Long. Says it’s just a matter of simplification.”
Giving himself a cop out incase the results don’t change….
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I got the same impression.
Wow, K-Rod arrested
The Yankees have two issues.
They are deep enough to overcome them and win 28, but nevertheless, us Yankee diehards would sleep a lot better if they get addressed (and they likely will, since I think the Yankees think the same way):
(1) What to do about a #4 and a #5 in an environment where (a) your #3 right now has an innings limit; (b) your #4 is a head case; and (c) your #5 is afraid of the strike zone. My guess? Pettitte is the #2, Hughes the #3, AJ stays at #4, and they rest the “tired shoulder” of Vasquez with Moseley as the #5. They do this until September 1, when they hopefully get back Aceves and can use September call ups (?Nova) to fill in when Javy will get a very quick hook. Hughes has about 7-8 starts left.
(2) The RISP needs to improve. The past three games show the weaknesses. ARod is having a bad year, likely due to the “groin” issue, and Jeter’s bat speed is down (aging) making him have a tougher time getting the ball out of the infield. Jorge is walking wounded, no surprise for a 38-39 year old catcher. Maybe the radical reworking of Granderson’s swing does the trick? Maybe Lance Berkman gets comfortable? Maybe Jesus Montero goes nuts in September? Maybe Nick Johnson returns (and pigs will fly–likely right into him)?
September promises to be a very interesting month. Hopefully the Yankees have a cushion going into it, and hopefully there is some resolution to these issues. If not, it will be a nail biter that they will likely win in the end. If yes, then we all rest easily, as the Yankees will during the last road trip of the season.
# IIOIIOIIO August 12th, 2010 at 12:57 am
# Cashmoney August 12th, 2010 at 12:56 am
little bit of minor league talk here, every time I check the boxscore for AAA yanks, Jorge Vazquez seem to driving in run for Scranton. He doesn’t have a great batting average nor slugging pct. But the Guy seem to know how to drive in runs. I am hoping he gets a couple coffee in Sept.
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I am really excited for September call ups this year, it could be quite interesting.
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I am interested in see Nunez , Jorge Vaz, Curtis and Miranda, maybe Nova and Sanchez.
I read about Jorge Vazquez , el chato in the winter of 2008 right before Yanks signed Tex.
he was a great Mexican league slugger, I am curious to see what he can do as well as others.
wallacematthews Javy Vazquez: “The fastball is not there. I don’t have any kind of zip on it. I gotta locate.”
Police say the incident occurred after the Mets’ 6-2 loss to the Colorado Rockies on Wednesday night. Police say Rodriguez’s father-in-law is in the hospital with a scrape on his face and a bump on his head.
The Mets confirmed there was an incident between Rodriguez and his family at the ballpark, and referred all questions to the police.
Rodriguez became highly agitated with reporters who approached him at his locker after the game.
Rodriguez screamed, “Mind your own [expletive] business!” to a reporter who tried to ask him a question. The reliever then stormed into a restricted area of the clubhouse. Soon after, a Citi Field security member and uniformed police officer went to that same area of the clubhouse.
I am interested in see Nunez , Jorge Vaz, Curtis and Miranda, maybe Nova and Sanchez.
I read about Jorge Vazquez , el chato in the winter of 2008 right before Yanks signed Tex.
he was a great Mexican league slugger, I am curious to see what he can do as well as others
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Nova and Sanchez are definitely on my wish list, as well as Montero, no matter how unrealistic that may be. The fact is that we have so much talent on the farm that September will be a fun month, regardless of where we stand in the pennant race.
Stultus Magnus August 12th, 2010 at 12:57 am
Stick a sock in it, Jetes.
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You’re cool. “Let’s act all tough online cuz he can’t beat me up through the computer” hahaha.
This is a FORUM on a BLOG where people can write ANY of their OPINIONS. so no, i’ll stick a sock in it, when you do
# Captain Clutch August 12th, 2010 at 1:02 am
wallacematthews Javy Vazquez: “The fastball is not there. I don’t have any kind of zip on it. I gotta locate.”
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he has to locate period. Yanks could put him on 15 DL and call up Nova if he can’t physically get over this hurdle.
SNY treating this K-Rod thing like it is OJ in the white bronco… following the ambulance out of the ballpark. Live coverage at 1 AM, making their reporter give live reports Citi Field with no one there… they have a 12 PM game tomorrow too.
Cashmoney August 12th, 2010 at 1:04 am
# Captain Clutch August 12th, 2010 at 1:02 am
wallacematthews Javy Vazquez: “The fastball is not there. I don’t have any kind of zip on it. I gotta locate.”
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he has to locate period. Yanks could put him on 15 DL and call up Nova if he can’t physically get over this hurdleCashmoney August 12th, 2010 at 1:04 am
# Captain Clutch August 12th, 2010 at 1:02 am
wallacematthews Javy Vazquez: “The fastball is not there. I don’t have any kind of zip on it. I gotta locate.”
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he has to locate period. Yanks could put him on 15 DL and call up Nova if he can’t physically get over this hurdle
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A little disappointed we haven’t seen him yet.
Of course Vazquez saves the excuses and his worst seasons for when he pitches in NY. In 04′ he was hurt now all of a sudden his velocity is no where to be found? Yanks should probably send him for an mri or just get his head checked out.
A person calling someone a buffoon that can’t even spell it correctly is highly amusing.
“The Yankees have two issues.
They are deep enough to overcome them and win 28, but nevertheless, us Yankee diehards would sleep a lot better if they get addressed (and they likely will, since I think the Yankees think the same way):”
Reading your post, and some of the out of place junk that has been floated on this thread, it reminded me of a historic quote that I will adapt:
The Yankees are the worst team in baseball except for all the others.
“Lighten up, Jetes”??
How ’bout that then?
Vazquez hasn’t performed as we expected, but I’ve always liked the guy. He seems like a class act, which makes it all the more painful for me to watch him struggle.
# IIOIIOIIO August 12th, 2010 at 1:03 am
I am interested in see Nunez , Jorge Vaz, Curtis and Miranda, maybe Nova and Sanchez.
I read about Jorge Vazquez , el chato in the winter of 2008 right before Yanks signed Tex.
he was a great Mexican league slugger, I am curious to see what he can do as well as others
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Nova and Sanchez are definitely on my wish list, as well as Montero, no matter how unrealistic that may be. The fact is that we have so much talent on the farm that September will be a fun month, regardless of where we stand in the pennant race.
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Nunez can provide infield death and a better stick than Pena. Vazquez, I am curious how he does aganst MLB pitching or whether he can mash lefties.
Nova , a candidate whom i think will vie for fifth starter next year. Sanchez , just a big ole guy who can play up his plus FB in the bullpen. Phelps who just recently been promote to AAA has pitched well is another interesting guy.
so in summation, yeah , I am excited and curious.
Andrew Brackman had another good start in Trenton. 6 4 0 0 1 4. Really having a remarkable turn around season.
Evidently the pitch Montero hit for a double tonight was a change up low and away. He took it the other way. His ability to hit to all parts of the field is what makes him so impressive.
He dropped a pop up however that allowed 2 runs to score. He’s still a work in progress.
Better, Stultus Magnus.
Much more civilized.
Now that i’ve typed your name so many times……..what the heck does it mean? lol
# CB August 12th, 2010 at 1:08 am
Andrew Brackman had another good start in Trenton. 6 4 0 0 1 4. Really having a remarkable turn around season.
Evidently the pitch Montero hit for a double tonight was a change up low and away. He took it the other way. His ability to hit to all parts of the field is what makes him so impressive.
He dropped a pop up however that allowed 2 runs to score. He’s still a work in progress.
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It seems to be a point of debate here, so I’m curious, where do you think he stands come September 1?
Montero, I mean.
# Stultus Magnus August 12th, 2010 at 1:07 am
“Lighten up, Jetes”??
How ’bout that then?
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You’re a Fack Youk guy, right?
Vazquez apparently had a dead arm at the end of the 2008 season too… that was the year he sucked down the stretch and in the playoffs and Ozzie called him out.
Why does he only seem to have the dead arm down the stretch when his teams are headed to the postseason? Seemingly the only 3 years he had physical problems were the 3 years he was actually on playoff teams….
# Drivenbyjeter2 August 12th, 2010 at 1:09 am
Better, Stultus Magnus.
Much more civilized.
Now that i’ve typed your name so many times……..what the heck does it mean? lol
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Big Idiot.
Not sure I understand you, Rich.
Yankees are the best team in the league, and we are talking only about winning the division going away by September 15th, versus the last week of the season. They are that deep.
So you think Javy Vasquez still has enough mph on his fastball to get 1-5 AL East hitters out consistently?
And I guess you also think ARod and Jeter hitting 30-40 points off their career numbers is OK?
That is what I meant. Not sure you understood it.
Montero and Jorge Vasquez aren’t on the 40 man roster. It would take some serious maneuvering to get them on, so I think it may be unlikely. There would be value in having a third catcher in September, but the roster space is kind of tight.
# umbrelladoc August 12th, 2010 at 1:13 am
Montero and Jorge Vasquez aren’t on the 40 man roster. It would take some serious maneuvering to get them on, so I think it may be unlikely. There would be value in having a third catcher in September, but the roster space is kind of tight.
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Agreed.
# Drivenbyjeter2 August 12th, 2010 at 1:09 am
Better, Stultus Magnus.
Much more civilized.
Now that i’ve typed your name so many times……..what the heck does it mean? lol
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Ha, means big fool. a reminder not to take myself too seriously.
I’m curious about your handle too. Was “drivenbyjeter” and “drivenbyjeter1″ already taken? Or am I missing something?
Ha, means big fool. a reminder not to take myself too seriously.
I’m curious about your handle too. Was “drivenbyjeter” and “drivenbyjeter1? already taken? Or am I missing something?
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I would guess that 2 represents his jersey #
CB -
You are one class act. Your posts are intelligent, informative, and thoughtful. Whenever I read game threads, and your avatar is not there, I’m disappointed.
You are one of the guys that make this blog one of the best.
Thanks
# IIOIIOIIO August 12th, 2010 at 1:15 am
Mostly a LoHud guy, but I’ve posted on Fack Youk. Not much LoHud posting this year though.
When Pettite comes back, Is it rational to start a conversation who will be our fifth starter?
If Vazquez continue to struggle and Moseley pitches relatively well.
Or maybe his batting average
PittsburghYankeeFan
It was a meant to be a light-hearted comment. It really wasn’t a reflection of anything you posted.
But to answer your questions:
1) I think at the very least, Vazquez can still be an effective #5 starter. If some velo returns, that at least a #4.
2) No, I am concerned about A-Rod and Jeter, but I am far more concerned about Posada.
They will need Cano and Teix to have huge postseasons in order to compensate.
My handle says it all
Stultus Magnus August 12th, 2010 at 1:17 am
# IIOIIOIIO August 12th, 2010 at 1:15 am
Mostly a LoHud guy, but I’ve posted on Fack Youk. Not much LoHud posting this year though
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I think I remember you on their “Sailing On” post where Matt and Jay said they wouldn’t be posting as often.
Okay, Trivia time “Stultus Magnus”
What number does Derek Jeter wear? …….. #2 . there’s your reason!
And “Driven” part has 2 meanings.
1) His cologne is called “driven”
2) Jeter is one of my role models and “drives” me to succeed. Lets just say, that saying has helped me realllyyy well so far.
Moseley isn’t going to displace Javy unless Javy is DL’d – and I don’t think that’s going to happen
# Pepitone August 12th, 2010 at 1:16 am
CB -
You are one class act. Your posts are intelligent, informative, and thoughtful. Whenever I read game threads, and your avatar is not there, I’m disappointed.
You are one of the guys that make this blog one of the best.
Thanks
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i will second that notion about CB.
The Mets are like the Bronx Zoo… except without the championships
“It seems to be a point of debate here, so I’m curious, where do you think he stands come September 1?”
Montero will be raking in the AAA playoff is September.
The player who’s career arc, skill sets, and tools Montero’s most closely tracks is probably Miguel Cabrera.
Cabrera as a 20 year old for the Mariners got called up mid-season and played 87 games. He put up a .794 OPS. He did get hot down the stretch and in the playoffs which is what people remember. But he struggled as a 20 year old.
And Cabrera was playing with almost no expectations that he would produce any value defensively and was doing so in a very small market environment.
Montero belongs to a very elite cohort of young talent. But when you look at how most 20 years old do when they are first called up – it’s really not that great.
Mike Stanton has shown remarkable power since being called up. Despite that he’s struggled. He has a .793 OPS and is striking out all the time. Stanton when he was called up was as hot as Montero is now. I’m not trying to compare the two because Montero has better hit tools but it’s to illustrate what we can expect from a 20 year old.
The trentonian beat reporter today said that a pitcher told him that Montero was the single worst defensive catcher he had ever seen.
There’s no chance he’s close enough to catch at the major league level. Trying to force him to do so could be disastrous – as in Salty disastrous.
So that leaves him as a DH. If at best we can likely expect him to be an .800 OPS player does that really help the team? Not particularly. That’s not much better than we can expect from the Berkman/ Thames DH slot.
And Montero could do a lot worse than .800 OPS because there’s going to be enormous pressure on him if he’s called up. That’s just the way it will be in NY in a pennant race.
Look at how difficult the end of the season schedule is for the yanks. When are you going to play a 20 year old?
If they are intrigued enough by Montero to believe he can help this team in September, I don’t think the 40 man roster thing will be an obstacle.
He’s going to be on this team next year and consequently is going to need to be on the roster by next spring anyway.
They could manipulate things to get him on if thats indeed what they want to do.
# IIOIIOIIO August 12th, 2010 at 1:17 am
Stultus Magnus August 12th, 2010 at 1:17 am
# IIOIIOIIO August 12th, 2010 at 1:15 am
Mostly a LoHud guy, but I’ve posted on Fack Youk. Not much LoHud posting this year though
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I think I remember you on their “Sailing On” post where Matt and Jay said they wouldn’t be posting as often.
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Yeah, I like that blog, they post some funny stuff. That one WPA chart or whatever it was that I commented on / reposted was hilarious.
CB August 12th, 2010 at 1:08 am
Andrew Brackman had another good start in Trenton. 6 4 0 0 1 4. Really having a remarkable turn around season.
Evidently the pitch Montero hit for a double tonight was a change up low and away. He took it the other way. His ability to hit to all parts of the field is what makes him so impressive.
He dropped a pop up however that allowed 2 runs to score. He’s still a work in progress.
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with all of the concerns and remarks about his defense and throwing, he’s made relatively few errors. The one tonight wasn’t good. a high popup fair about 20 feet up the 3rd base line and he got turned around as the ball drifted on him. It should have been caught, though.
The swing was just all wrong. He was bailing out and hit it off of his front foot and still lined it down the right field line.
Talking about the 40 man don’t the Yanks have alot of guys they need to protect from the Rule 5 this year? Aren’t guys like Noesi, Mcallister, Laird, etc. up this year? How are they going to manage the 40 man?
# Drivenbyjeter2 August 12th, 2010 at 1:18 am
Okay, Trivia time “Stultus Magnus”
What number does Derek Jeter wear? …….. #2 . there’s your reason!
And “Driven” part has 2 meanings.
1) His cologne is called “driven”
2) Jeter is one of my role models and “drives” me to succeed. Lets just say, that saying has helped me realllyyy well so far.
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Nice, a good role model to have. Totally spaced on his jersey. What can I say? Stultus MAGNUS. Something like that. I didn’t know he had a cologne. I thought the driven was maybe a reference to the Edge commercials…
Imo when pettitte returns a rotation of
cc
burnett
pettitte
hughes
mosely is ok.
Also a lineup of thames at dh,gardner in cf,kearns in lf against lh pitchers & cg in cf,gardner in lf,berkman against rh pitchers is the way to go.
CB, wow – the worst defensive catcher? Ouch……..Pat I think had posted a summary of Donnie Collins’ (he covers SWB) article about Montero and it’s clear that he doesn’t think he’s ready. Everyone enamored with the kid just assumes he’s going to come up and rake – but I doubt it. Major league pitchers are good -and he’s a kid. The Yankees are involved in a close race – they don’t even have a playoff spot locked up – so do we want Montero to be stuck in the middle of this cauldron? He sounds like he needs quite a bit more time in AAA
Pepi-
Thank you. And back at you. I wished you’d post more as well. You’ve seen a lot of the game and that context really helps.
To be honest, tonight’s thread made me a little bananas. I still can’t believe someone would say Mo was about to “crap the bed.” I usually don’t get too bothered by the craziness there but that really bothered my.
Ron, what are you doing with Javy?
Remember also – either Phil needs to be skipped twice more or they have to go with a 6 man rotation for a couple of rounds and then limit him in his starts…….or they have to come up with something. His arm strength is returning – I really hesitate to skip him.
The pitcher that called Montero the worst catch he’d ever seen must have been Kei Igawa.
CB:
I like the analysis. I don’t see the need to rush Montero to the bigs to DH. Some posters think he’s the savior of the team, but as you say, he’s still a big work in progress from a defensive standpoint and there’s no reason to waste his time sitting on the bench or being a DH when he can continue to get work behind the dish at AAA.
Whether he or Romine are the future of the Yanks behind the plate, its obvious that neither is ready to take over for JoPo and I’d rather see the veteran batters the Yanks currently have take the DH spot for the playoffs.
Cashman has done a good job of setting the pieces and knowing a long term game plan.
CB-
I agree with everyone of your sentiments regarding Montero. While I would love, purely for entertainment purposes, to see what he could do against major league pitching in September, there is no way we could expect him to produce at a level where it would be beneficial to both the player and the organization in the long run. I guess a more interesting question would be to ask where he is come next season. The Yankees sure do have a lot of interesting decisions to make regarding the catching position. Posada is seriously starting to concern me, and I don’t see him being able to carry the load behind the plate next season. On the other hand, there’s no way Girardi phases him out completely, so you have to figure he catches at least 90 games next season, can we really have Montero on the roster is he’s not going to play everyday? I think the toughest part about deciding what to do with Montero come next season is that he’s hitting well enough to garner at least a look on the major league level, but doesn’t play the position well enough to work behind the plate. It’s a slippery slope IMO, but a good problem to have for sure.
I’m sorry, I had to laugh at the ridiculousness of that Mo comment. Someone was crapping the bed – it wasn’t Mo.
CB–wise thoughts about Jesus Montero. Given the fact they would have to DFA someone off the 40 man to call him up, your comments appear to make it unlikely this year.
GreenBeret7 August 12th, 2010 at 1:26 am
The pitcher that called Montero the worst catch he’d ever seen must have been Kei Igawa.
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Do not talk about the SWB career wins leader like that. He is a AAA stalwart.
C is going to be a problem next year. Po is getting old and creaky – he simply can not catch many games next year. Montero is not quite ready, esp. defensively, and Romine clearly is not. I think they need a better BUC than Cervelli esp. since the BUC would play quite a bit.
To be honest, tonight’s thread made me a little bananas. I still can’t believe someone would say Mo was about to “crap the bed.” I usually don’t get too bothered by the craziness there but that really bothered my.
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Oh, I know.
I could not believe my eyes when I read that Mo was going to “crap the bed.”
The guy is only the greatest relief pitcher in the history of baseball – and it’s not even close – and some nitwit makes a stupid remark like that. I hope he at least apologized later.
“Talking about the 40 man don’t the Yanks have alot of guys they need to protect from the Rule 5 this year? Aren’t guys like Noesi, Mcallister, Laird, etc. up this year? How are they going to manage the 40 man?”
This is the real 40 man roster issue. The 40 man roster from now until the season closes isn’t an issue at all.
But if they use up a 40 man spot now on Montero that’s one less they have to use to protect players in the rule V draft this winter.
Being able to put Montero on the 40 man after the rule V has real advantages to it.
The yankees have a ton of talent now. Their players get taken in the rule V frequently now. They already got lucky that Ivan Nova was returned. Using a 40 man spot on Montero when he’s 20 and doesn’t need to be protected will have reprecussions. A talented player will have to be left exposed.
The Other Phil August 12th, 2010 at 1:26 am
CB:
I like the analysis. I don’t see the need to rush Montero to the bigs to DH. Some posters think he’s the savior of the team, but as you say, he’s still a big work in progress from a defensive standpoint and there’s no reason to waste his time sitting on the bench or being a DH when he can continue to get work behind the dish at AAA.
Whether he or Romine are the future of the Yanks behind the plate, its obvious that neither is ready to take over for JoPo and I’d rather see the veteran batters the Yanks currently have take the DH spot for the playoffs.
Cashman has done a good job of setting the pieces and knowing a long term game plan
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I’m curious what you think of Posada come next season? What role should we realistically expect him to serve?
# Betsy August 12th, 2010 at 1:28 am
C is going to be a problem next year. Po is getting old and creaky – he simply can not catch many games next year. Montero is not quite ready, esp. defensively, and Romine clearly is not. I think they need a better BUC than Cervelli esp. since the BUC would play quite a bit.
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you could simply sign someone like John bucks (prefer choice of mine) or Barajas, Blanco, Bengie for one year and have Posada DH full time.
Betsy: I don’t mind Cervy behind the dish and hitting 8/9 next year. I know some have issues with his enthusiasm, but he hits well enough and plays good defense. Not much of an arm, but I think he’s a better BUC than Molina would be next year. I don’t think there’s really another viable option unless you look at an aging vet and they aren’t going to be much of an option v. JoPo or Cervy.
Oh, I know.
I could not believe my eyes when I read that Mo was going to “crap the bed.”
The guy is only the greatest relief pitcher in the history of baseball – and it’s not even close – and some nitwit makes a stupid remark like that. I hope he at least apologized later
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It’s enough to make you sick. Truly, the only Yankee that I feel is beyond criticism is Mo. He’s earned earned that right IMO
BloggingBombers
The Yankees tied a franchise record tonight by striking out 17 times. The other time? 9/10/99 against Pedro Martinez. Joe Girardi K’d twice.
Yankees lost that game 3-1.
I should note – the trentonian beat reporter also said that Montero wants to be a catcher more than he’s seen anyone want to do anything in life.
That’s the kind of desire and work ethic Montero has to stick behind the plate.
IIOO: While my heart says starting behind the dish for a majority of games, my head tells me that JoPo starts between 80-90 games behind the dish, gets another 30-40 at DH and sits the rest.
As said in my post to Betsy, I’m okay with Cervy doing the remainder of games and hitting at the bottom.
While I’d love to see Romine or Montero up with the big club, the consensus of others way smarter than I is, neither is ready.
Oh, and I notice that the conversation is so much more civilized and intelligent now that the kids have gone to bed…
Cash, Barajas might be ok………..Buck, too. I do think we need one of those guys – though I don’t think Jorge needs to be a full-time DH. I’m sure he can still catch, but he can’t do it on a regular basis anymore.
Teach Brandon Laird how to catch.
Why not? His brother does it.
TOP (the other Phil), Cervelli has really struggled offensively – and he’s not been great defensively either. Now it could be that he’s played too much – and he has played a lot more than anyohne ever thought – but I just think he’s limited. Of course that’s why a BUC is a BUC……………..but I don’t feel confident with him as a guy that can play almost regularly; he’s not quite good enough
LOL This is what Feinsand is going to focus on tomorrow? Who cares? They won the game………..
# Betsy August 12th, 2010 at 1:36 am
Cash, Barajas might be ok………..Buck, too. I do think we need one of those guys – though I don’t think Jorge needs to be a full-time DH. I’m sure he can still catch, but he can’t do it on a regular basis anymore.
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if we do , i think we will be fine. Posada can catch 40 games if he wishes. by mid team , hopefully Montero will be ready , he can thus study behind a guy like Barajas or Buck.
I can either trade Cervelli or sent him back to AAA . Romine will then be promoted to AAA. At least that’s how i see it works out.
The Trentonian reporter’s as sessment runs contrary to Posada’s opinion of Montero, who thinks that he’ll be pretty decent within a year or two. People forget or had no idea just how bad Yogi Berra was as a catcher his first couple of ML seasons.
I wouldn’t put too much stock in what an anonymous pitcher tells a Trentonian beat reporter.
Romine will start next season in AA and if he really starts hitting well then the Yanks are going to have some tough choices to make. Romine and Montero had to be separated since they were on the same team and sharing playing time wasn’t good for either one. If Romine hits well next year he might be ready for AAA during the seaon and then they would be splitting time again. It’s obviously a good problem to have. It sounds like Romine could be ready for the majors before Montero. Montero’s defense might need another year or 2 in the minors.
The Other Phil August 12th, 2010 at 1:36 am
Oh, and I notice that the conversation is so much more civilized and intelligent now that the kids have gone to bed…
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Exactly.
When you have class acts like CB, GB7, Betsy, and some of the other regulars, the conversation turns to baseball, intelligent baseball, and it’s a treat.
The media better not ignore our great win tonight by talking about that idiot K-Rod. They probably will though.
Romine hasn’t exactly been a Gold Glove candidate in his career so far, either.
The Other Phil August 12th, 2010 at 1:34 am
IIOO: While my heart says starting behind the dish for a majority of games, my head tells me that JoPo starts between 80-90 games behind the dish, gets another 30-40 at DH and sits the rest.
As said in my post to Betsy, I’m okay with Cervy doing the remainder of games and hitting at the bottom.
While I’d love to see Romine or Montero up with the big club, the consensus of others way smarter than I is, neither is ready
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I just don’t know how long you can keep Montero at AAA if he keeps hitting the way he has been, regardless of his ability behind the plate. I just can’t see the Yankees letting Cervelli catch 70 games next season, whether or not I think he’s capable. I mean, at that point, he’s no longer a backup catcher, but an integral part of the team.
Betsy: I know, it’s a bit of a quandary. Not knowing the pending FA market at C for next year, I can’t be sure, but I don’t know that there’s much of a better option? I’m feeling a little lazy, so I haven’t looked up his D stats, but Cervy could probably use a little extra work with Pena on technique. The playing time may be more of a strain this year, but I’d like to think that it will help condition his body for a similar workload next year, ala stretching out a pitcher.
I definitely don’t see Cervy starting the majority of games, but I think he may start up to half.
These late nights are cool – but given that I have to get up at 8 am, why am I still up?
Pepitone, I enjoy your posts – I don’t always agree with them, but they are always well thought out.
Kay said during the game that someone from the organization(I forgot who, I think Tino) saw Montero catch recently and he said he is definitely not as bad as he thought or people make him out to be.
Right now, Cervelli may be proving that he isn’t a MLer.
“I think the toughest part about deciding what to do with Montero come next season is that he’s hitting well enough to garner at least a look on the major league level, but doesn’t play the position well enough to work behind the plate. It’s a slippery slope IMO, but a good problem to have for sure.”
It’s an issue. It’s kind of a strange issue because of the context coloring it.
If only Montero could catch now the situation would work out almost storybook perfect. The franchise could easily transition next season.
But it’s never good to keep thinking about the world working out perfectly regardless of how close one can imagine it being flawless.
So the catching situation next season won’t work out perfectly. There’ll be some ugliness there in one form or another.
I think they’ll keep the DH spot open in the winter and let Montero start in AAA. They’ll let him start raking and then call him up to be the primary DH and catch maybe 30 games against teams that don’t run like say the Jays. I think they’ll try to get some games with him behind the plate but will do so gingerly.
I wanted the yanks to sign either Zaun or Buck to be the back up this past off season. If they could do something like that this winter I would.
Ultimately the good part of all of this is that Montero is going to be just great. He really does have a shot to be a Miggy Cabrera like hitter and probably with more power. And the yankees can really use that kind of plus RH bat in the line up.
The average DH doesn’t actually produce that much offensively. It’s not nearly what people think. Montero will still provide significant comparative positional value at DH.
SWB beat writer thinks Montero can make it as a catcher too because he is eager to learn and is working hard at it.
He called him more raw than professional but sees him making progress week by week.
His bat is so far ahead of his defense that patience to let the defense catch up to the bat is going to be the hard part for some.
“Kay said during the game that someone from the organization(I forgot who, I think Tino) saw Montero catch recently and he said he is definitely not as bad as he thought or people make him out to be.”
Everyone I know who regularly attends SWB games says something similar, or is even more positive about Montero as a catcher.
# Captain Clutch August 12th, 2010 at 1:43 am
Kay said during the game that someone from the organization(I forgot who, I think Tino) saw Montero catch recently and he said he is definitely not as bad as he thought or people make him out to be.
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Yeah, I remember that, I believe it was Flaherty.
NYY os quite likely to go after John Buck and team him with Posada and Montero next year. Cervelli’s defense isn’t good enough to carry his bat.
IIOO: I’m only going on the assessments I’ve read. If Cash, et al. decide Montero is ready to come up, I’m all for it. Cervy definitely is not a long term solution, but the trade off of Montero’s bat v. his defense will be an interesting decision to make. I definitely don’t want to see the kid DH, I think that’s a waste. If they aren’t going to use him behind the dish, then they should convert him to a different position, but they should not waste him at DH like some people think.
Phil is on pace to throw about 185 innings right now.
My gut is that they probably want to cap him off a bit below that. 175 has been the widely speculated number, but I think they could very well be flexible up to 185. Its ten innings.
I’m sure when they set that cap, however, they probably didn’t consider that Young Master Phil could be this team’s game 2 starter in the playoffs. If that’s the case then they’ll probably want to be a little more stringent about limiting his regular season innings.
If he’s going to be skipped once my gut says it’ll come in the beginning of September. By then hopefully Boston will be in the rearview mirror firmly and the playoffs will be all but a formality. More importantly, hopefully he can string together a few more strong starts and be looking at 16 wins or so to kick off the month.
Give him a blow then, and then let him find his rhythm again as October draws closer.
“Montero catch recently and he said he is definitely not as bad as he thought or people make him out to be.”
I think this is very reasonable. And part of why is that Montero is continuing to get batter and isn’t on a straight line in terms of progress. He’s probably getting better defensively in big steps up rather than in small increments.
Now whether he ever crosses the thresh hold of acceptable is the big question.
However, the pitcher that said Montero was the worst defensive catcher he’d seen was most likely speaking about the Montero he saw in Trenton last season. Montero is better defensively now.
Young playres can improve in a non-linear fashion. It makes “predictions” about their future very, very difficult.
Most times you just have to wait and see. That’s why it’s better to be cautious with their development.
GB-
It’s weird because reports were always glowing about Cervelli’s receiving and throwing skills. He has been far from impressive this year though at least recently. He hasn’t done a terrible job for the workload he’s taken on but an upgrade definitely would not be a bad thing.
Two guys that should not be overlooked in the jobs they did against a hard hitting team are Mitre and Wood. That game could have easily gotten out of hand in a hurry.
Per MLBTradeRumors, here’s the FA class at C after this year:
Brad Ausmus (42) – mutual option for $1MM with a $150K buyout
Rod Barajas (35)
Josh Bard (33)
Henry Blanco (39)
John Buck (30)
Ramon Castro (35) – club option
Raul Chavez (38)
Toby Hall (35)
Ramon Hernandez (35)
Gerald Laird (31)
Jason LaRue (37)
Victor Martinez (32)
Chad Moeller (36)
Bengie Molina (36)
Jose Molina (36) – $1.2MM club option
Miguel Olivo (32) – $2.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
A.J. Pierzynski (34)
Mike Redmond (40)
Mike Rivera (34)
Yorvit Torrealba (32) – $3.5MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
Jason Varitek (39)
Gregg Zaun (40) – $2.25MM club option with a $250K buyout
Whatever happens, NO PIERZYNSKI!
“If only Montero could catch now the situation would work out almost storybook perfect. The franchise could easily transition next season.”
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That’s exactly what I was saying, it truly is a strange situation. I guess they could start the season with Cervelli and Posada, hoping Montero continues to hit at AAA before calling him up around July and sending down Francisco. But the sticky situation comes in assuming he can be the permanent DH IMO. Because I am not sure Posada can catch anymore than 80-90 games, we need someone capable of catching a few games a week. If the Yankees allow Montero to catch in a similar manner to Cervelli this year, I think it would be best for all involved. If we decide to make Montero more of a DH while keeping both Cervelli and Posada in the catching rotation, I think it would affect the team negatively in two ways. One, Montero would not be getting the experience necessary to hone his catching skills, assuming that is where the Yankees see him in the future, and, more importantly, the DH slot would be filled by Montero, thus limiting the opportunities for Girardi to rest veterans like Jeter and Rodriguez, who are surely going to need a day off every once in a while.
All that said, what a wonderfully unique situation for this franchise to be in. I cannot remember the last time I could debate with fellow Yankee fans over the hows/whys of utilizing the farm system. Win or lose this year, the next few seasons are going to be filled with some thrilling moments from homegrown prospects. Maybe this is a little slice of the mid 90′s again?
“NYY os quite likely to go after John Buck and team him with Posada and Montero next year. Cervelli’s defense isn’t good enough to carry his bat.”
Arencibia is going to be one of the two Jays catchers. Buck will likely be available.
The yankees should be willing to pay him well to get him to accept a part time position. Even if they have to pay him more than he’d make as a starter they should.
The only two catchers of interest on that lost is John Buck and Miguel Olivo. The others either can’t catch and throw or can’t hit.
Whatever happens, NO PIERZYNSKI!
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Phil, just curious, why not? I prefer Buck , but Pierzynski has been a pretty good catcher in his career.
interest on that ***list*** is John Buck
CB, I’d think that Toronto would keep Molina around as Arencibia’s mentor and teacher.
Cash: It’s a personal thing. I just don’t like him. I find him arrogant and annoying. There was a play earlier this year where he was batting, the ball hit the dirt nowhere near his foot, but he starts hopping around like a maniac, as if he got hit and was awarded first base. Maybe it’s because I’ve never liked the guy, but I found it to be a cheap stunt to get on base.
# GreenBeret7 August 12th, 2010 at 1:57 am
The only two catchers of interest on that lost is John Buck and Miguel Olivo. The others either can’t catch and throw or can’t hit.
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I think we are overlooking one thing: what does Posada think of all this? I worry about the relationship between he and Girardi and what sort of conflict may occur when Girardi tells him that he is no longer the everyday catcher. This year, the change could be attributed to injury, but come next year, I sure hope there is no disagreement. I love Posada, I would really hate to see him be phased out kicking and screaming.
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That’s what I would guess as well regarding the Jays back up. I also like Zaun. He might be willing to take a back up job with the yanks.
The yanks do need to try to get Montero games behind the plate if they call him up so it’s a complicated situation. It’s more a 3 man catcher rotation. Having AJ in the rotation adds to the complexity as you’re not going to want Montero to catch AJ.
# The Other Phil August 12th, 2010 at 2:00 am
Cash: It’s a personal thing. I just don’t like him. I find him arrogant and annoying. There was a play earlier this year where he was batting, the ball hit the dirt nowhere near his foot, but he starts hopping around like a maniac, as if he got hit and was awarded first base. Maybe it’s because I’ve never liked the guy, but I found it to be a cheap stunt to get on base.
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He’s pretty much universally despised throughout baseball, I would be absolutely shocked if the Yankees dared to touch him.
# The Other Phil August 12th, 2010 at 2:00 am
Cash: It’s a personal thing. I just don’t like him. I find him arrogant and annoying. There was a play earlier this year where he was batting, the ball hit the dirt nowhere near his foot, but he starts hopping around like a maniac, as if he got hit and was awarded first base. Maybe it’s because I’ve never liked the guy, but I found it to be a cheap stunt to get on base.
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fair enough, he isn’t having a good year either, offensively. But i always remember he seem be a tough out in a big spot.
little Caveat , MN fleeced the Giants of Joe Nathan , Liriano for Pierzynski.
“I think we are overlooking one thing: what does Posada think of all this? ”
Good point. That’s an issue as well. I do think that given the myriad of problems he’s had – and the way he himself came up and was integrated slowly into the team – that Posada will understand it’s time to get the transition started.
Posada will have to know how special Montero’s bat is. It’s just so glaringly obvious.
Also, this is largely unmotivated by any good evidence – but I think Gary Sanchez will be the yankees catcher of the future. Well more than think – perhaps it’s I hope…
But I do think Sanchez has a shot to be really special.
“little Caveat , MN fleeced the Giants of Joe Nathan , Liriano for Pierzynski”
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Just an epic trade. Has to go down as one of the worst of all time. I love little bits of trivia like this.
# CB August 12th, 2010 at 2:07 am
“I think we are overlooking one thing: what does Posada think of all this? ”
Good point. That’s an issue as well. I do think that given the myriad of problems he’s had – and the way he himself came up and was integrated slowly into the team – that Posada will understand it’s time to get the transition started.
Posada will have to know how special Montero’s bat is. It’s just so glaringly obvious.
Also, this is largely unmotivated by any good evidence – but I think Gary Sanchez will be the yankees catcher of the future. Well more than think – perhaps it’s I hope…
But I do think Sanchez has a shot to be really special.
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There’s always reports of the tension between Girardi and Posada, I just hope, like you said, Posada knows when it’s time to step aside. I still think he can hit, and definitely want to see him retire as a Yankee, it’s just his catching that has really become a concern. Not only because of his skills behind the plate, in fact, that’s the least of it, but how long can his body hold up to the strain?
In regards to Sanchez, I agree completely. I’ve always liked him, although I’ve had a really hard time finding information on him lately, any updates? For some reason he doesn’t get the attention the other prospects do.
With Romine, Montero, and Sanchez, I think we all have to resign ourselves to the fact that one of them will be traded a way at some point for a big player, I just hope that we make the right decision. With talent like this, trading a piece away always comes with great anxiety. But, as I’ve said numerous times, it’s a wonderful problem to have—three wonderful catching prospects. For all the criticism of Cashman on this board, how can the development of the minor league system be overlooked?
# Cashmoney August 12th, 2010 at 2:06 am
fair enough, he isn’t having a good year either, offensively. But i always remember he seem be a tough out in a big spot.
little Caveat , MN fleeced the Giants of Joe Nathan , Liriano for Pierzynski.
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Yeah, I think he’s one of those guys that seemed to do well against the Yanks, whether it’s actually true or not.
Wow, I forgot about that… I remember Nathan setting up in SF but forgot how he got to MN. That is one epic trade for MN!
IIOIIOIIO and CB
I am too lazy to type another paragraph after both of your cogent analysis.
I will say this , the Yankees are showing plenty of respect to Posada as he is a 40 year catcher that will be making top dollars as a catcher next year.
So, I am pretty sure Po will know how to gracefully step down.
“For all the criticism of Cashman on this board, how can the development of the minor league system be overlooked?”
That’s the thing that, for me, separates the fans from the bridge jumpers. Jumpers want to kill Cash for moves like NJ and Javy (which have not worked out, I admit) but don’t give him credit for trying to fix those with moves like Boone, Abreu, Lidle, Chacon, Loaiza, etc. or for the farm system he’s built.
They wan to trade Montero for anyone but don’t realize that Cash is the one that drafted him in the first place.
# The Other Phil August 12th, 2010 at 2:14 am
# Cashmoney August 12th, 2010 at 2:06 am
fair enough, he isn’t having a good year either, offensively. But i always remember he seem be a tough out in a big spot.
little Caveat , MN fleeced the Giants of Joe Nathan , Liriano for Pierzynski.
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Yeah, I think he’s one of those guys that seemed to do well against the Yanks, whether it’s actually true or not.
Wow, I forgot about that… I remember Nathan setting up in SF but forgot how he got to MN. That is one epic trade for MN!
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whether it’s back up by statistic or memory , I just remember that , I also recall Ozzie making remarks about AJ being a tough out and a clutch players.
Which leads to Javy, Ozzie has a big mouth, but I can’t remember any MGR openly challenge Javy’s fortitude like Ozzie did. unfortunately, I think he has a point.
# The Other Phil August 12th, 2010 at 2:18 am
“For all the criticism of Cashman on this board, how can the development of the minor league system be overlooked?”
That’s the thing that, for me, separates the fans from the bridge jumpers. Jumpers want to kill Cash for moves like NJ and Javy (which have not worked out, I admit) but don’t give him credit for trying to fix those with moves like Boone, Abreu, Lidle, Chacon, Loaiza, etc. or for the farm system he’s built.
They wan to trade Montero for anyone but don’t realize that Cash is the one that drafted him in the first place.
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All we do is talk about how untouchable Rivera, Pettitte, Jeter, Williams, Posada, Cano, and the like are, but what do they have in common? They are homegrown players. Championship runs like those in the 90′s/00′s are not created through free agency, but through the farm system. The fact that Cashman, once he gained full control of the team, realized this is a true testament to his baseball IQ. I think he’s a wonderful GM and hope he stays he for years to come. I have a feeling many of “bridge jumpers” will be forced to admit their errors once the kids on the farm begin to make an impact. There’s no reason to make shortsighted trades that sacrifice the farm for the “win now” attitude, that’s not the way to maintain a successful team in the long run. I must admit, I was thrilled when the Lee trade fell through. Trading Montero for a half season of Lee seemed shortsighted to me, especially when we could attempt to sign him in the offseason. Other than that though, I can’t say I really disagreed on any of the moves Cash made, he always tried to upgrade the team sacrificing as little of the future as possible. For that, he deserves great recognition IMO.
“whether it’s back up by statistic or memory , I just remember that , I also recall Ozzie making remarks about AJ being a tough out and a clutch players.
Which leads to Javy, Ozzie has a big mouth, but I can’t remember any MGR openly challenge Javy’s fortitude like Ozzie did. unfortunately, I think he has a point.”
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Ozzie had a great comment on AJ–he said, “If you play against him, you hate him. If you play with him, you hate him a little less.”
I really do love Ozzie, I’m not sure I’d want him managing my team, but his personality is really good for baseball.
aight, good night everyone, I think I will listen to some music and pass out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
I will leave you to the haunting sound Zamfir.