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Granderson: “I wouldn’t necessarily call it big changes”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 12, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Indians BaseballWhat hitting coach Kevin Long called a “total reformation of the swing” is not quite that drastic according to Curtis Granderson. After two days spent tweaking his mechanics, Granderson could return to the Yankees lineup tonight with a different look. Just how different depends on who you ask.

“I wouldn’t necessarily call it big changes,” Granderson said. “It’s just trying to simply things. Everything I’ve done up to this point is just trying to get to the point I want (to make contact)… and there’s always some moving parts before it. We’re just trying to eliminate some of those moving parts.”

I’m sure the changes are minor — slightly different stance, hands held a little differently — but those can be significant parts of a player’s swing. It’s probably a good thing that Granderson sees this as a minor alteration rather than a radical change. He said he would have felt comfortable at the plate last night.

“I’ve made changes throughout my whole career,” he said. “I’ve been an unorthodox hitter. I’ve been a very routine and picture-perfect hitter as far as what everyone else is doing. And everything in between. Whenever someone says to make a change, I’ve always been a very adaptive player.”

A few quick links from downtown Kansas City…

• I landed in KC only to find an email from MLB announcing the official sale of the Rangers to a group led by Nolan Ryan. This is not a surprise, just an official announcement of something already known. Here’s the Dallas Morning News blog entry.

• I’m sure you’ve already seen this story — there was already buzz about it in the press box before the end of last night’s game — but Francisco Rodriguez has been arrested and suspended after getting into a fight with his father in law at Citi Field last night.

Some brief Red Sox updates are in this notebook: Dustin Pedroia is scheduled to return from the DL next week, Mike Cameron has been taking batting practice and Jarrod Saltalamacchia has been called up.

• Bad news for the Braves: Chipper Jones is out for the year.

Associated Press photo of Granderson with Jorge Posada

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263 Responses to “Granderson: “I wouldn’t necessarily call it big changes””

  1. Betsy August 12th, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Well, whatever it is, I hope it works…….I don’t know how it’s possible a guy this talented could just fall off the cliff like this. I’ve never believed that talent just disappears……..so what’s happened? Granderson is a hard worker, so I have to believe that he will find himself again………even if it’s not this year.

  2. Andrew August 12th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    I think even in Detroit Granderson was always very streaky, so I also don’t believe he’s just done as a productive player before he hits 30 (I think he’s only 29, if he’s 30 then whoops).

    Perhaps this working with KLong, even if it’s just tweaks, can get him back to raking against righties through the rest of the season and playoffs. Then in the offseason they really hunker down and focus on trying to completely overhaul the swing so that he might be able to improve vs. LHP.

    Thank goodness that Thames has handled lefties so well and they acquired Kearns though, so that CGrand’s ABs vs. lefties can be pretty much eliminated for the rest of the year.

  3. EA August 12th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Sux up 4-1

  4. upstate kate August 12th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    and credit should go to Grandy for asking for help in the middle of the season, and being willing to try something different

  5. JM August 12th, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    NEW YORK (AP) … Francisco Rodriguez was suspended for two days by the
    Mets on Thursday, a day after police said the star pitcher grabbed his
    father-in-law from a Citi Field family lounge, struck him in the face and
    banged his head against the wall.

    You know, I know it’s common to dislike your in-laws, but this is taking it a bit too far. There has to something more to this story unless Krod is just a total nutcase.

    __________________________________

    If K. Long can work some of his magic and Granderson can even get some of his power stroke back, it would be a huge deal for the Yankees and would greatly lengthen the line-up.

  6. jacksquat August 12th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    from Keith Law chat:

    Which current hitter would you compare Jesus Montero to? If he goes to a different team any chance he stays behind the plate?

    Klaw (1:57 PM)

    Physically and in his swing, he reminds me of Frank Thomas. And I know that’s an insane comp to put on a guy, but I don’t think that’s out of the question as an optimistic long-term projection.

  7. Betsy August 12th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Beckett has pitched well for the most part since he’s come back……..Sox have very good pitching (well, the top 3 anyway).

  8. GoldGlove9486 August 12th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    Does anyone think that Ortiz is possibly NOT juicing?

  9. tk August 12th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    “and credit should go to Grandy for asking for help in the middle of the season, and being willing to try something different”

    Definitely. The combination of K. Long’s coaching expertise and Granderson’s talent & attitude give me some level of optimism regarding his long-term status. I’m not expecting him to come out swinging like Cano, but simplifying his mechanics some and giving him an opportunity to rebuild his confidence should make some type of positive impact.

  10. Betsy August 12th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Bad news on Andy:

    http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....day-33643/

    According to the NY Post, Andy Pettitte will not throw his scheduled simulated game today. He was experiencing a tight hip flexor. The upshot: the start is moved back just one day. Presumably that would move back his rehab start in Trenton to Wednesday. But we?ll fill in those details as we get them.

  11. Andrew August 12th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Frank Thomas, Miguel Cabrera to name just 2, those are some great right-handed hitters to be compared to as a 20 year old. Hopefully Jesus’ bat delivers on the hype. I know the 40 man roster is a mess/logjam but I still hope he gets called up after the Scranton playoff run ends.

  12. Tom in N.J. August 12th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Since June 1

    Vazquez is 9-4 with a 3.89 ERA.

    Hughes is 8-4 with a 4.84 ERA

    A.J. is 3-9 with a 6.71 ERA

    Over the last 2 1/2 months he’s been the Yankees 2nd best (healthy) starting pitcher. He’s going through a dead-arm period right now, if he can work his way out of it he’ll be fine.

  13. Gehrig27 August 12th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    We are bound to go white hot soon. We always do, Donkey, we always do.

  14. Wave Your Hat August 12th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Well if Granderson ‘s swing is new and improved it will be the fastest makeover ever since Girardi preferred to have Kearns face the righty in the 8th last night rather than pinch hit Granderson and have him face the lefty the Rangers would have then brought in.

  15. ZMAN August 12th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    “Physically and in his swing, he reminds me of Frank Thomas”

    That’s all? I thought Montero was projected to be better than a Frank Thomas type…

  16. sunny615 August 12th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    - Hope Grandy’s minor fixes leads to major results

    - Stinks about Pettitte. Hopefully it’s a very minor thing.

    - Can Chipper just retire gracefully? Will he?

    - Sucks to be a Mets fan right now. I guess it sucked for quite a while now.

  17. tk August 12th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Klaw (1:57 PM)

    Physically and in his swing, he reminds me of Frank Thomas. And I know that?s an insane comp to put on a guy, but I don?t think that?s out of the question as an optimistic long-term projection.
    _____________________________________

    The discussions surrounding Montero’s offensive ability are just astonishing. Unfortunately, that is often overshadowed by talk of his defensive shortcomings. Even if Montero isn’t able to stick behind the plate, he is going to be an immensely valuable player and a joy to watch.

  18. upstate kate August 12th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    hmmm I wonder if K Law reads this blog. 2 posters the other day were discussing how Montero’s swing reminded them of Frank Thomas. I am fairly certain GB was one.

  19. Andrew August 12th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Couldn’t it just be soreness with Pettitte since he hasn’t really thrown in quite a while, plus he’s an older guy? If they are only pushing his session back a day as opposed to scrapping it altogether, that seems like more precaution than setback.

  20. YankeeBlue222 August 12th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Mark my words. The Sox have the best chance of outing us in the playoffs.

    That rotation is lethal and Bard/Papelbon is a dangerous combo in the late innings.

    I mentioned this 2 weeks ago and people ridiculed me and said they were “done.” Even SJ said they had no chance of catching the Rays or Yanks.

  21. Yank1 August 12th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Another article in the Houston Chronicle yesterday talking about how wide-eyed Berkman still is… hope the guy gets comfortable soon.

    And if Montero can hit like Thomas or Cabrera… him being a strict DH isin’t a negative at all, even at a young age. Why push out a bat like Frank Thomas (potentially) so that Jeter can hit .260 with 7 HRs at DH in 3 years.

  22. Doreen August 12th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    G Love -

    That was me last night who commented that Kearns didn’t “look like a Yankee.” I was only speaking in terms of how he looked, not how he played. I’ve been away since August 1st and had yet to see him play a lick.

    The catch he made in the 9th certainly distracted me from the way his uniform hung on his body. ;)

  23. GoldGlove9486 August 12th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    YankeBlue222 good point. Sometimes, I root for Tampa on occasion because they at least can contribute to the Sox not making it. I don’t want to face them. Ortiz is red hot, and Adrian Beltre is having a monster year.

  24. Giuseppe Franco August 12th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    # YankeeBlue222 August 12th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Mark my words. The Sox have the best chance of outing us in the playoffs.

    That rotation is lethal and Bard/Papelbon is a dangerous combo in the late innings.

    I mentioned this 2 weeks ago and people ridiculed me and said they were “done.” Even SJ said they had no chance of catching the Rays or Yanks.

    ——-

    One thing you have to remember is that the Sox have played pretty well lately and the Yanks have scuffled a bit with the tough stretch.

    Now that the schedule gets a little easier we’re going to see the Yanks widen the gap between them and the Red Sox.

    RSN doesn’t scare me. They haven’t all season – healthy or not.

  25. Yank1 August 12th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    “Mark my words. The Sox have the best chance of outing us in the playoffs.

    Which is why people should not necessarily be rooting against Tampa to lose. The Red Sox are by far the scariest matchup in the playoffs. They will have the best rotation in the playoffs, the best 8th inning, and their offense will only get better when Pedroia comes back.

    I’d much rather Tampa win the division and us get the WC (we can win on the road), than win the division with Boston grabbing the WC.

  26. Crawdaddy August 12th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Petttitte is in Tampa where it’s been raining since yesterday. The game was suspended on Wednesday and today’s GCL game was cancelled so the weather conditions might be a factor why his start was pushed back.

  27. GoldGlove9486 August 12th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Yank1 that is exactly what I’m saying. I can’t even enjoy it if Boston wins the Wild Card…I’ll trade the division for a Wild Card title if the Red Sox don’t make it at all. Couldn’t agree more.

  28. Betsy August 12th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    GF, the Sox have played extremely well for a long period of time ; it’s no fluke.

  29. EA August 12th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    The Sox were supposed to fold on their West Coast trip… they went 6-4.

    People said this Yankees-Toronto-Texas trip would be a death blow… so far, they are (likely) 5-2 and would have swept the Jays on the road.

    They are a real threat. We need to do some damage on this upcoming stretch against bad teams and get on a nice run.

  30. Giuseppe Franco August 12th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    The Red Sox still don’t have Youkilis – and won’t the rest of the season.

    Their starting pitching is good but not spectacular.

    Buchholz has had a great season, same for Lester. Lackey is nothing special and neither is Dice K. Beckett is off and on and the Yanks have hit him pretty hard.

  31. tampayank August 12th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    “# Crawdaddy August 12th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Petttitte is in Tampa where it’s been raining since yesterday. The game was suspended on Wednesday and today’s GCL game was cancelled so the weather conditions might be a factor why his start was pushed back.

    It’s sunny today….hope the hip is just simple tightness

  32. Irreverent Discourse August 12th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    GF – i agree, i don’t see the fear in the redsox rotation that others do. let beckett pitch well against a good team before anyone claims he is better after his return.

  33. RayVT August 12th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    SS Derek Jeter
    RF Nick Swisher
    1B Mark Teixeira
    3B Alex Rodriguez
    2B Robinson Cano
    DH Marcus Thames
    LF Austin Kearns
    C Francisco Cervelli
    CF Curtis Granderson

  34. Jason Voorhees August 12th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    AHHHHHHHHHHHH PANIC PANIC PANIC

  35. Giuseppe Franco August 12th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    # Betsy August 12th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    GF, the Sox have played extremely well for a long period of time ; it’s no fluke.

    ———-

    They were sliding a couple of weeks ago, weren’t they? The gap was something like 9 games back in the loss column.

    Since then, they’ve gotten hot again while the Yanks have played so-so for a couple of weeks.

    Now that the schedule is going to get easier, the Yanks will start to widen the gap again.

    It’s a typical see-saw affair that lasts 162 games. Injuries or not, the Yanks are still a better team.

  36. Betsy August 12th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    I’m trying hard to not think of how good Buchholz has been………….and succeeding pretty well (not great, though). The Yankees wouldn’t face the Sox in the ALDS if it should come to that, but in a 5 game series for whomever they face, those 2 pitchers make them dangerous. We’ll see – they still have some ground to make up. If I’m a Sox fan, though, I can’t exactly say their season has been a failure because they may have developed another #1 pitcher…….They sure won’t have these types of injuries next year.

  37. Betsy August 12th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Later!

  38. Irreverent Discourse August 12th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    franco – the same with the rays, they closed the gap because we have been playing poorly… not because they have been playing “better”.

  39. Irreverent Discourse August 12th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    they sure won’t be trying to sell pitching and defense as a viable strategy in the AL East next year, that’s the only thing you can be sure of.

    injuries? they are no more likely to be healthy next year than they were this year. no team is.

  40. Giuseppe Franco August 12th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    There’s gonna be a lot of changes with the Red Sox next year, too.

  41. G. Love August 12th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Doreen,

    I didn’t realize it was you who said it and that it was tongue in cheek.

    I was scanning through the comments last night and slammed my laptop shut since I can no longer watch a game and read posts and post thoughts anymore during the game. My stress level shoots up to an 11 if I watch the game while being on the blog. I don’t enjoy the games as much when I’m on here during them.

    I get what you were saying and have no issue with it since you were making a joke. Sorry to call you out like that.

  42. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    :D

    That’s what happens to me anytime I read about the Sux adulation on this forum.

    They have no prayer of anything other than third place.

    But feel free to get all quivery anytime you think of them, if you do.

    *************

    Gold Glove, why do you have what appears to be a Sux player as the centerpiece on your website? Are you secretly in love with that team or what?

  43. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    Actually it’s 4-2 right now, with a runner on 2nd and 1 out.

    GO JAYS!

  44. blake August 12th, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Yea in the limited amount I’ve seen Montero I can see the Frank Thomas comparisons a little bit. Thomas was an absolute beast in his prime. People forget how good he was. Thomas and Cabrera are two pretty good names to be compared to. Doesn’t mean he will be that but just having that upside is a good thing. If he can just catch (even part time) for a few years until 1B opens up then he could provide great value to the franchise.

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    “GF – i agree, i don’t see the fear in the redsox rotation that others do. let beckett pitch well against a good team before anyone claims he is better after his return.”

    Me too.

  46. EveryoneSucksExceptSJCBDoreen August 12th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    I fail at LoHud. Was reading comments from the previous thread and posted snarky replies, not realizing i was in an old thread.

    sigh…

  47. G. Love August 12th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    This is all I wanted to see from Granderson and I applaud him for asking for help in season and not pretending everything was just ducky.

    It says a lot about him as a player and his character.

    I hope this works. We need his bat.

    I think Brett busted his slump last night and he’ll be back at .300 shortly.

    If we could get Grandy consistent and platoon him with Kearns (who I’m starting to really like — reminds me of Nady a bit), we’ll be fine.

    It seems to me the new guys are just starting to settle into being part of this crazy team.

    I think playing in a series like Boston and Texas back to back woke the juices up in the new guys and showed them they are here to play real meaningful baseball and not just ride out the season.

  48. GoldGlove9486 August 12th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    My website???? I’m just concerned. My boss is a Red Sox fan…I’m surrounded by them.

  49. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    “They sure won’t have these types of injuries next year.”

    And you know this how?

  50. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    When I click on your name it leads to a website that has someone that looks like Ortiz as the lead picture!

  51. UnKnown August 12th, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    GTLU – I believe were playing again, right?

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Tex 1b
    Alex 3b
    Cano 2b
    Thames DH
    Austin K. LF
    Cervelli C
    Gardner CF

    Wow I went back and forth on this one today. Lots of players now from Girardi too choose from.

    Sidenote I will be in attendance for the Fri – Sun games at the Big K, cheering loud for the boys. Lets Go Yanks.

  52. GreenBeret7 August 12th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Boston has to decide whether they spend money on their 3rd baseman and catcher, or go cheap and try patching it up. They won’t keep Beltre and Martinez for what they are paying them now. The outfield is starting to creak and what do they do with Papalbon? Nobody is buying their “come home where you belong…we’re all family” crap any more.

  53. Gehrig27 August 12th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    If that tuna face can toss the heat, then pass the plate!!!

  54. Gehrig27 August 12th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    GreenBaret7

    “Nobody is buying their “come home where you belong…we’re all family” crap any more.”

    It was just a matter of time….

    “If you play for us you can win, but you have to play for a discount. We aren’t rich like th Yankees. Help us out, will you? *sob*”

    Yea…right. People want to get paid and I don’t blame them.

  55. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Gold Glove, I’m surrounded by them too. In fact everyone else in my family roots for them, and I am in primarily Sux territory. But I am not concerned about them at all. What I don’t get is all the admiration and intrigue some posters seem to indicate for the Sux, while at the same time being so critical of the Yankees – yet the Yankees are the ones in first place. Does that make sense?

  56. Wave Your Hat August 12th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    The Red Sox only have $100MM committed for next year so far. No reason they can’t keep Beltre and Martinez if they want and be a major bidder on Werth or Crawford as well.

  57. blake August 12th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Tough choice between Vmart and Beltre going forward….I’d be scared to give either a long term deal but if I had to pick I’d probably go with Victor because he’s been the better player over his career and he can (at least in theory, catch).

  58. Bill D August 12th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    “franco – the same with the rays, they closed the gap because we have been playing poorly… not because they have been playing “better”.”

    Not lately. Both teams 4-6 over their last 10. TB is 12-8 over their 20, while the Yankees are 11-9. Both are 18-12 over their last 30. Rays 25-15 over 40. Yankess 24-16.

  59. pat August 12th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    If Beckett, Dice K and Lackey were Yankees instead of Sox, a bunch of people here would value them less than they do now.

  60. YankeeBlue222 August 12th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    I agree with others. I am actually rooting for Tampa to keep winning. I would much rather face them in the ALCS than the Sox.

    It’s easy for us to downplay or criticize their flaws because we hate them, but don’t be fooled. They are an excellent team that is getting hot at the right time. Pedroia coming back is an additional spark that they will need.

  61. Wave Your Hat August 12th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    I don’t want the Yanks to face Tampa, Boston or the Rangers in the post-season. I’m hoping that either the Yanks get a bye into the World Series or that Baltimore and Kansas City have a big run. :)

  62. GoldGlove9486 August 12th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Haha that’s my blog…just a generic title photo. Feel free to check it out….don’t worry, I’m a huge Yankee fan.

  63. Irreverent Discourse August 12th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    teams just don’t lose one of the top 10 bats in the game and continue to perform well.

  64. EA August 12th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    “teams just don’t lose one of the top 10 bats in the game and continue to perform well.”

    Twins went red hot after they lost Morneau

  65. YankFanCA August 12th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Despite what full-of-himself Giuseppe thinks or says, Boston is not going away. Their starting pitching is deep and they can hit. They also have very good eighth and ninth inning relievers.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    “Haha that’s my blog…just a generic title photo. Feel free to check it out….don’t worry, I’m a huge Yankee fan”

    GoldGlove, sorry but I don’t understand how any self-respecting Yankee fan would put a generic title photo of someone in a red and white baseball uniform. It absolutely doesn’t compute. Are you sucking up to your boss or something, looking for a raise?

    ;)

  67. Irreverent Discourse August 12th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    yankfanCA – leave the childish insults at home please.

    despite what you think, the redsox “not going away” isn’t goingto be enough. they have to outperform 2 of the best teams in baseball to get back. and THAT is not going to happen.

    the status quo leaves them in 3rd place watching october baseball on TV.

  68. Gehrig27 August 12th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Wave your Hat –

    The bill has come due on all their “expansion” and BS from the past six years. Things are down in Beantown.

  69. YankFanCA August 12th, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    Another know-it-all pops up. Check your arrogance at the door next time, ID.

  70. GreenBeret7 August 12th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    blake August 12th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    Tough choice between Vmart and Beltre going forward….I’d be scared to give either a long term deal but if I had to pick I’d probably go with Victor because he’s been the better player over his career and he can (at least in theory, catch).

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    They also have to deal with Ortiz among others besides trying to fill a bullpen. They won’t get out of spending as much as they are now, and they won’t be improving that much.

  71. GoldGlove9486 August 12th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Maybe so, trisha. It’s still a tough economy out there :)

  72. Doreen August 12th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    The following people submitted lineups for GTLU so far:

    Erica
    Joe from Long Island
    Yankee Trader
    Joe S formerly of Brooklyn
    upstate kate
    yankee21
    justinxdance27
    RayVT
    Unknown

    If I missed your lineup, please let me know.

    G-Love -

    No problem. It gets testy on here during game threads. I still go to them, but take long breaks.

  73. Bronx Jeers August 12th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Doreen,

    I knew it was you but I didn’t want to expose your wicked ways. :wink:

    Actually I posted something about his “look” about 2 minutes after you did. I said he should seek out Arod for a possible makeover.

    I’ve also said that he looks like Harry Chapin or a like a player from the 70′s.

    All in jest of course. I’m the last guy who frets over a players appearance.

    I don’t even care for the Yankees grooming standard.

  74. Wave Your Hat August 12th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    “The bill has come due on all their “expansion” and BS from the past six years. Things are down in Beantown.”

    I don’t see why. They can re-sign Ortiz, Beltre, Papelbon and Martinez and still have plenty of money left to chase Crawford or Werth and fill out their team.

    The Sox should be better next year than they were going into this year.

  75. GreenBeret7 August 12th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Boston’s starting pitching is no more “deep” than NYYs or Tampa’s. One injury to that rotation and they are finished. That is not a very athletic team that allows them to create runs.

  76. jacksquat August 12th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    There’s still 1.5 months to play and the Red Sox are as of right now only 3.5 games out of the wild card. Anything can happen. Although the Rays have a much better run differential so I think they are definitely favorites over the RS.

  77. Irreverent Discourse August 12th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    yankfanCA – i need to check MY arrogance? lol… HI KETTLE!

    you must be mistaking me with… you. there have been quite a few posts of yours the last 2 days that i have had great issue with, but have decided to leave alone since there is enough negative nonsense going on around here.

    … but fine, keep worrying about the redsox if it makes you feel better. some people can’t be helped.

  78. Gehrig27 August 12th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter
    Granderson
    Swisher
    TEX
    A-Rod
    Thames
    Cano
    Posada
    Gardner

    Not proud of it…just sayin’

  79. UnKnown August 12th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    I can’t believe how the Jays laid down against the sox this week. Disgusting

  80. Wave Your Hat August 12th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Suppose Cliff Lee doesn’t want to shave off his beard?

  81. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    “I mentioned this 2 weeks ago and people ridiculed me and said they were “done.” Even SJ said they had no chance of catching the Rays or Yanks.”

    I don’t always agree with SJ. This is one of the times that I do. Sux will not catch the Rays or the Yanks.

    “RSN doesn’t scare me. They haven’t all season – healthy or not.”

    I feel the same way GF.

  82. MG August 12th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Oh, the big bad Red Sox, the all powerful Red Sox, the might Red Sox, the unbeatable Red Sox.

    Didn’t the mighty Sox just come into Yankee Stadium and sweep the reeling Yankees 4 straight? After all, they are so powerful and playing so well while the Yankees have been awful in August.

    Oh, wait a second, they split that series. And the Yankees, as poorly as they have been playing, according to so many of you, should have really taken 3 out of 4, they just failed to take advantage of a bases loaded no out situation in the 7th inning.

    So the Sox are hot, the Yankees are cold, and they SPLIT the series. What does that tell anyone who uses common sense….

    THE YANKEES ARE THE BETTER TEAM AND UNLESS THEY GO INTO THE TANK IN THE PLAYOFFS, THE SOX HAVE NO CHANCE AGAINST THEM, PERIOD.

    Some of you are so paranoid it’s beyond belief, really…

  83. Gehrig27 August 12th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Wave Your Hat -

    You assume much, grasshopper.

    You think they are going to be sporting a $170M payroll next year?

    I think they are aiming to miss the luxury tax in a big way.

    News Flash – The Scarecrow really doesn’t have Brains

  84. Bill D August 12th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Bautista = a no doubter for #36

  85. G. Love August 12th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    I really think Boston is going to catch Tampa. I think the injuries in the rotation in Tampa and Pena being injured as well are going to hurt them and Boston is getting healthier at the right time.

    I can’t discount what Pedroia is going to mean to that lineup once he’s back. He’s one of their best players.

    I think the 4 playoff teams are Yankees, Boston (WC), Texas and Minnesota.

    I fully expect to be playing in the Minnesota snow in the 1st round in October.

  86. Wave Your Hat August 12th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    “You think they are going to be sporting a $170M payroll next year?”

    Quick – what’s their payroll this year?

  87. UnKnown August 12th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Hey Francona aren’t you suppossed to be wearing a jersey instead of that batting practice tee. Suspend him BUD

  88. sunny615 August 12th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Current Standings (as of Thursday, 12 August 2010)
    Team, record, winnging percentage, games played, games left
    Yankees 70-43, .619, 113, 49
    Tampa Bay 69-45, .605 114, 48
    Boston 66-49, .574, 115, 47

    Projected final record with current winning percentage:
    Yankees 100-62
    Tampa Bay 98-64
    Boston 93-69

    Assuming the Yankees play .619 ball the rest of the way, Boston would have to play .744 ball (go 35-13) to win the division (101-61), or play .688 to pass Tampa Bay (win 33 of 48 games) to get the wildcard (99-63).

    Looks like it’s a little above their heads.

  89. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    “I can’t believe how the Jays laid down against the sox this week. Disgusting”

    The Jays did no lay down for anyone. They were playing without Vernon Wells and they had just swept Tampa. The ebb and flow of every season will have teams doing well and then doing not so well. In addition, there are teams that just seem to have an easier time with certain teams than others. If I am not mistaken, and this would be the first time in a while, the Sux seemed to own the Jays this season.

    It’s baseball.

  90. UnKnown August 12th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    Trisha -

    Well put. It’s just frustrating.

  91. Irreverent Discourse August 12th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    sunny – they also have to do with with 1/4 (roughly, 12 out of 46) of their remaining games against the rays and yankees.

    … and they have to do this all without their best hitter. why is everyone glossing over the fact that youkilis won’t be there to save them when their little hot streak wears down?

  92. UnKnown August 12th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Besides there making a charge now. Cmon Blue Birds

  93. Irreverent Discourse August 12th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    trisha – also, the blue jays are not good :p

  94. tampayank August 12th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    I think the Red Sox did sweep Tampa in Tampa the last time they played(w/ Youk)…that was w/ Youk…so I’m not counting them out in catching the WC leader

  95. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    G Love, I don’t agree. I don’t see the Sux catching anyone.

    And let me say this unequivocally. If something happened that the Rays were beamed up and the Sux ended up winning the wild card by default, I wouldn’t fear playing them a bit. They are just not a force to be reckoned with.

    ***************

    JAYS MAKING A COMEBACK…

  96. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    G Love, I don’t agree. I don’t see the Sux catching anyone.

    And let me say this unequivocally. If something happened that the Rays were beamed up and the Sux ended up winning the wild card by default, I wouldn’t fear playing them a bit. They are just not a force to be reckoned with.

    ***************

    JAYS MAKING A COMEBACK…

  97. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 12th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    Throwing a monkey wrench into every other team’s postseason plans, Yankees will win 103-105 games this year to easily clinch home field until they get to the WS.

  98. Mike_Boston August 12th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    I’m not trying to downplay the sox because they’re getting healthier and are playing well right now, but where’s all this bullpen talk coming from. Sure Bard looks like he’s a closer in the making and excellent EIG but Papplebum has proven he’s hittable (blown 5 or 6 saves already), not lights out like he was in the past; after those 2 guys they have squat!!

  99. Bill D August 12th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    “Yankees 100-62
    Tampa Bay 98-64
    Boston 93-69″

    This is about the way I see it ending up.

  100. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    Unknown, stand by. Good thing might be happening in Toronto!!!!!

    :)

    Oh yeah. It’s great, no matter how it ends. I love this game!

  101. Irreverent Discourse August 12th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    mike_boston – i think the redsox could be second in the league in disparity between rotation and bullpen. phillies are #1, their pen is god awful.

  102. Captain Clutch August 12th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    Papelbum is throwing garbage to the plate…Maybe the Jays can actually tie the game. Runner on 2nd no one out.

  103. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 12th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    PapelPug meltdown alert !

  104. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    The vaunted Papelbust in the middle of showing why he wasn’t worth the extra money he was given.

    GO JAYS!

  105. Chip August 12th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter – SS
    Swisher – RF
    Tex – 1b
    Alex – 3b
    Cano – 2b
    Thames – DH
    Kearns – LF
    Cervelli – C
    Gardner – CF

  106. sunny615 August 12th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Let’s also not forget that the Yankees will probably be well rested towards the end of the season. Moreso than the Sox and Rays who will probably be burning hard to try to keep pace or catch up.

  107. Jason Voorhees August 12th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    good lord Bautista is a monster.

  108. Captain Clutch August 12th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    1st and 3rd no one out. Go Jays!!

  109. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    HARDEE HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR!!!

    Oh this is heaven. Mama mia.

    Look, this is worth the price of admission.

  110. UnKnown August 12th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Man this is freaking awesome. What a meltdown by Paps.

    Mo would still get out of this, runner on the corners no outs no problem. Praise the Lord for MO

  111. upstate kate August 12th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    in my perfect world, the sox don’t make the post season, not b/c I am worried about them, but b/c I don’t like them (or the Angels). I really don’t care who the Yankees have to face. I got over wishing to face a certain team after the Cleveland fiasco.

  112. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 12th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Winning run for Jays on 1st with NO OUTS !

  113. 108 stitches August 12th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Boston does not want to exceed the luxury tax limit. They have Lugo and Lowell money off the books after this year and will sign Ortiz and Beltre on the cheap and try to do the same with Victor Martinez. They’ll peddle Papelbon for a decent OF bat and make Bard the closer.
    They’ll do barely enough to keep their disgusted fans coming the the Green Sardine Can.

  114. JM August 12th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Remember when everyone was saying Papelbon was the second-coming of Mo? Oh, he was so wonderful, so gifted, so great in pressure situations. Blasphemy! There is only one Mo and Papelbon has come back to earth with a big thud the past couple of years.

  115. bruceb August 12th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    After watching the Jays destroy Tampa and then win the series against the Yanks, I thought there was no way Boston was winning that series 3-0. For some reason, the Jays can’t compete with the Sox. Or is it that they have some secret pact. Either way, Sox are making sure we keep our game face on tonight.

  116. pat August 12th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Injury delay?

  117. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    I live for this.

    :)

    Get the damned run in. Then worry about winning the game!

  118. Dano from England August 12th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    I hate to see Papelbon struggle like this, I really do.
    No-one could enjoy seeing such a nice guy become such a shadow of his former self.

    I like to call it “Papenfreude”!

  119. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 12th, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    PugFace’s ERA soon to be north of 3.00 again…SUPER for a CLOSER ! ;-)

  120. Joe S formerly of Brooklyn August 12th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Well, the Jays are at 4, the Sox at 5, with runners at 1st and 3rd and no out.

    I really appreciate MLB network. Altho I should be working right now…..

  121. Captain Clutch August 12th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Snider chases crap..1 out

  122. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Dano – :lol:

  123. Bronx Jeers August 12th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    # Wave Your Hat August 12th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Suppose Cliff Lee doesn’t want to shave off his beard?

    ————————————————————————————————————–

    I’m sure it’s well known that if you want Yankee dollars… the beard’s gotta go.

    Here’s my list of guys who would probably have some form of a beard if it was allowed.

    CC.
    AJ.
    Javy
    Joba
    Kerry Wood
    Swish
    Gaudin
    Sergio

    Maybe Robbie and Cervelli.

  124. GoldGlove9486 August 12th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Edwin Encarnacion hit a homer against AJ Burnett last week that went about 425 feet. Be the ball, Edwin.

  125. Chip August 12th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Gotta send Aaron Hill here.

  126. Captain Clutch August 12th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Meeting on the mound…Too bad the Jays don’t have the middle of the roid order up..

  127. Wave Your Hat August 12th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Bronx-

    I wonder if the Yanks will relax their facial hair policy with George gone?

  128. Doreen August 12th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Bronx Jeers -

    My very last comment on Kearns’ appearance. I think he reminds me of an older Jerry Mathers (the Beaver on “Leave it To Beaver” the old B&W tv show).

  129. Jason Voorhees August 12th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Well like they say, closers (for the most part) are streaky year by year (minus Rivera). Papelbon was actually quite good for a 4 year stretch and that probably got people thinking Rivera 2.0. I mean there’s even a point recently (2008) where Brad Lidge was the best closer in the game.

  130. UnKnown August 12th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    WOO HOO Beautiful

  131. Captain Clutch August 12th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Woohoo game is tied!!

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    :D :D :D

    Unknow, baby, that one was for you.

    YEAH, PAPELBUST REALLY SCARES ME!!!

  133. Captain Clutch August 12th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Winning run on 3rd base

  134. Jason Voorhees August 12th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Melt. Down.

  135. jesusmonterofordh August 12th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    hah papebum gave up the lead

  136. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 12th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    ERA 3.08 and ON THE RISE !

  137. JM August 12th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Yes, closers are streaky by nature which is why Mo is so extraordinary. Papelbon was quite good for a stretch but he has been rather ordinary the last couple of years.

  138. UnKnown August 12th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Loving it. Squeaky wheel always gets the grease. I just had to do some crying.
    Now finish this off here Blue Birds

  139. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    This is just BEEEE-AU-TI-FUL!!!!!

    Deep one wins the game.

    COME ON JAYS!!!!

    Looks like Lackey won’t be sharing a cab with Papelstink tonight!!!

  140. Captain Clutch August 12th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Papelbum’s fastball isn’t even close to what it used to be. He used to over power guys..not anymore. Francona is taking Papelbum out LOL

  141. Jason Voorhees August 12th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Papelblown done.

  142. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 12th, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Say Hello to 4-5, PugNose !

  143. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    “Loving it. Squeaky wheel always gets the grease. I just had to do some crying.
    Now finish this off here Blue Birds”

    Sokay. All’s forgiven because you root for the right team.

    :)

  144. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 12th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    HAHA…they PULLED HIM !….and HE is the CLOSER ???….Too Funny !

  145. Mike_Boston August 12th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Looks like I was a little prophetic in my papelbum statement, he had 5 blown saves now it’s 6!! FYI, I didn’t turn the game on my PC until about 2 minutes ago, I had just assumed the sox swept until I read here that the Jays were coming back.

  146. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    “Mark my words. The Sox have the best chance of outing us in the playoffs.

    That rotation is lethal and Bard/Papelbon is a dangerous combo in the late innings. ”

    Dangerous only to the health of the Sux!

  147. pat August 12th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    PeteAbe
    Papelbon took the field with a career 0.82 ERA against Toronto and was 24 for 24 in save situations #redsox

  148. Captain Clutch August 12th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Bard in with the bases laoded

  149. sunny615 August 12th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    C’mon Fred!

  150. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    GAME!!!!!!!

  151. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 12th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Ballgame, another nail in the coffin ! :-)

  152. Captain Clutch August 12th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Woohoo game over!!

  153. Jason Voorhees August 12th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Game over.

  154. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    You gotta really fear that Papelbon/Bard combo!!!!

    :lol:

  155. Chip August 12th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Free Agent Destination Guesses:

    Lee – Yankees
    Crawford – Angels
    Werth – Boston
    Dunn – White Sox
    Konerko – Texas
    Carlos Pena – Tampa
    V-Mart – White Sox
    Javy Vazquez – NYM
    Kerry Wood – NYY
    Mo – NYY
    Jeter – NYY

  156. sunny615 August 12th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    WOO!!

  157. 108 stitches August 12th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    The future closer replaces the closer and ………… poof !! Gotta love it.

  158. GreenBeret7 August 12th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Did it disgust anyone how those Canadian dogs just rolled over for the Red sox?

  159. pat August 12th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    Fred Lewis, of course. Couldn’t have picked him out of a line-up before last week.

  160. CB August 12th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    The Red Sox certainly aren’t going anywhere today.

    How does an invincible team – a team that has infinite heart and grit – blow this game?

  161. YankeeBlue222 August 12th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    WOW, maybe I should say wonderful things about the Red Sox more often! ;)

  162. MG August 12th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Some of you really need to learn baseball before posting the nonsense that permeates this blog.

    ‘the Sox are dangerous’
    ‘the Jays laid down against the Sox’
    ‘the Yankees have no heart’

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day, some of you will be right…NEVER

  163. Eroc August 12th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Papelbomb is a mess. They need to make Bard their closer now.

  164. Jason Voorhees August 12th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Sweet. Hill scored the final run. Fantasy points.

  165. GreenBeret7 August 12th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    How long before a certain “fan” comes back with “I was just using the reverse Jinx.”?

  166. Boston Jim August 12th, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Look at all that blue, gotta love it

  167. Bronx Jeers August 12th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    I highly doubt it Wave.

    Doreen,

    You’re right. I do see a grown up Beaver.

  168. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Hmmm. 7 in the lost column right now, 5 behind the Rays.

    It’s good to be alive!

    :D

  169. raymagnetic August 12th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    That is just too funny. Just when the panic brigade shows their face the Sox drop a heart breaker. Couldn’t happen to a nicer team :)

  170. Eroc August 12th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Never doubt Trisha when it comes to the Sux – she knows what she is talking about ;)

  171. YankFanCA August 12th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    I gave their bullpen too much credit — I admit it. Wow, looks like Papelbum just lost his closer job. No way he can be trusted now.

  172. Dano from England August 12th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    He’s lost that scary stare.
    What a shame, eh?

  173. GreenBeret7 August 12th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Fred Lewis isn’t anybodys idea of a start, but he’s their version of Gardner, just a ;ittle older.

  174. Joe S formerly of Brooklyn August 12th, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Rivera failed the other day, Papelbon today. But you can’t help but appreciate Mariano by contrast. Were I a RedSoxite (2nd cousin to a sodomite – sorry about that, can’t help it)

    - I would be nervous just watching Papelbon look in for the sign.

    I’ve never felt that way about Rivera, going all the way back. I didn’t know he’d be this good, of course. But he doesn’t look nervous, and I don’t remember him EVER looking that way.

    Brings up a coupla things –

    a. Even if Mo shows up and is great again in 2011, he’ll need to be replaced. Some day. I imagine we’re all thinking it ain’t gonna be Joba (unless something major changes with him). So — who?

    Trade for someone? Who?

    Promote Robertson? His physical appearance on the mound actually reminds me a bit of Mariano (at times).

    b. There was a remark by some broadcaster (can’t remember who) the other day that the Sox might let Papelbon go and promote Bard to closer. Doesn’t he already seem like the better pitcher (even before today) — ? I like Bard for the fact that the ball seems to go where he wants it.

  175. Don Vito A. Bellamo August 12th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    4-5, ERA 3.26……SCARY !…NOT ;-)

  176. Giuseppe Franco August 12th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    # YankFanCA August 12th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Despite what full-of-himself Giuseppe thinks or says, Boston is not going away. Their starting pitching is deep and they can hit. They also have very good eighth and ninth inning relievers.

    ————

    LOL. Awwww, did I make you mad?

  177. Bob August 12th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    Oh yeah Toronto !! Woo Hoo !

  178. GreenBeret7 August 12th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Bronx Jeers August 12th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
    I highly doubt it Wave.

    Doreen,

    You’re right. I do see a grown up Beaver

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    hey!! Hey!!1 None of that sort of talk on here.

    OH!! I get it now. You’re talking about Beaver Cleaver.

  179. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    “Did it disgust anyone how those Canadian dogs just rolled over for the Red sox?”

    :D

    I just love me some Jays!!!

    Eroc, you are a very smart man!

    :)

  180. hardwired7 August 12th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    the good news for Boston? they just cleared a ton of space on the bandwagon.

  181. Mike in Chicago August 12th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Hi Folks,

    I imagine this might have been discussed yesterday, but I was away from the blog. It seems some have presumed with certainty that Cliff Lee will be a Yankee in 2011. Of course, I expect Cashman will pursue him the same way he pursued Sabathia, with a bid that blows away all others.

    But I wanted to hear what everyone thinks now that the sale of the Rangers has gone through, and especially with the kind of season they are putting together. I read this article yesterday on my phone. Yes, it’s from ESPN.com, so take that for what it is worth, but still, Greenberg’s comments suggest they’ll naturally be serious in their attempt to retain Lee. Here’s the link, and the relevant part of the article follows.
    ————
    http://sports.espn.go.com/dall.....id=5450608

    Lee, who will be a free agent after the season, has quickly assimilated within the Rangers’ clubhouse environment. He jokes around with teammates, goes out with many of them while on the road and enjoys a competitive game of chess, usually with second baseman Ian Kinsler. The Rangers are hoping Lee becomes so comfortable — and has a successful-enough stretch drive and possible playoff run — that they can sway him to stay in Texas.

    Keeping Lee was one of the first things members the new ownership group, led by Pittsburgh lawyer Chuck Greenberg and team president Nolan Ryan, talked about after they made the winning bid to purchase the team at an auction last week.

    “We’ve got a period of time where we’ve got a chance to demonstrate to him how special it’s going to be to be a part of the Rangers family, and that’s what we’re going to be, a family,” Greenberg said. “We’ve got a great group of guys on the team, a committed ownership and a great front office. We’re going to do the best we can to show him he’s found a home and that this is a place where he wants to be.”
    ————-

  182. YankFanCA August 12th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    I’ll admit when I erred. I amend my statement to say Boston has a very good eighth inning guy. We’ll see how Bard fares in the 9th. Looking forward to a long learning curve.

  183. upstate kate August 12th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    GB
    Canadian dogs? do they bark “woof-eh”

    I gave you credit for comparing Montero to Frank Thomas, I am remembering correctly aren’t I?

  184. Joe S formerly of Brooklyn August 12th, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    I am NOT suggesting anyone here post on this other site. But when the Red Sox fans start to panic, I enjoy reading what they have to say.

    See fan comments below —

    http://www.nesn.com/2010/08/re.....nale-.html

  185. Captain Clutch August 12th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Mo wasn’t hit hard the other night at all, balls just found holes. Papelbum was hit very hard today.

  186. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    And a shout out to one of my revered players (fantasy-team and otherwise) Vernon Wells. He came back and helped the Jays put this away.

  187. Jeff NJ August 12th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Gtlu:

    Jeter SS
    Swisher RF
    Thames DH
    A Rod 3B
    Cano 2B
    Cervelli C
    Granderson CF
    Berkman 1B
    Gardner LF

  188. Joe from Long Island August 12th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    If you want to see controversy in Boston and in the Red Sox clubhouse, just imagine what it would be like if Francona wanted to take Papelbon out of his closer role. Not exactly conducive to a team in a pennant race.

  189. YankFanCA August 12th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Wow, Joe S — and people think there’s vitriol on this board?? Check out the classy Boston fans and their expletive-filled rants.

  190. Eduardo August 12th, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    And the Red Sox get walked off with a loss! Trisha may be self-righteous, but she sure knows the Suxers!

  191. SJ44 August 12th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Don’t worry, as soon as the Red Sox win two in a row again, the panic brigade will be back telling all of us to “fear” the Red Sox.

    The irrational fear some have on here over a third place team is comical.

    Wave,

    No on the Yankees relaxing the facial hair policy. Hal will keep it as an homage to George.

    No, it won’t bother Lee to shave his beard when he joins the Yankees.

  192. GreenBeret7 August 12th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    upstate kate August 12th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
    GB
    Canadian dogs? do they bark “woof-eh”

    I gave you credit for comparing Montero to Frank Thomas, I am remembering correctly aren’t I?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, and they love back bacon, too.

    Yes, CB and I were talking about Montero’s swing and he mentioned that Montero reminded him of Cabrera and I mentioned the swing similarites of Alex Rodriguez and Frank Thomas…line drive power to every part of the park.

  193. Mike_Boston August 12th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    One more bit on Mo from the other night. Not only was he not hit hard that night he wasn’t in a save situation, therefor he didn’t blow anything. He took the loss, it happens. He was actually hit harder last night by Andrus and then he settled down to their get 2 most productive hitters with harmless grounders.

  194. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    CR9, I know you are Eduardo, but I will still accept the compliment. And the self-righteous tag.

  195. Gehrig27 August 12th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    The mouse is quick but the Owl hunts a night!

  196. Wave Your Hat August 12th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    SJ44-

    I was just wondering. I’m sure you are right. I don’t recall Lee without a beard.

  197. ET August 12th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    AdamRubinESPN
    Igarashi had $300 taxi ride from Scranton to stadium. Arrived in sixth inning. He said taxi driver had never been to NYC. 11 minutes ago

  198. YankFanCA August 12th, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Anyone have the data on Papelbon’s contract (how many years/dollars left)? Hopefully he’s locked in for quite a few years at huge $’s.

  199. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    “That is just too funny. Just when the panic brigade shows their face the Sox drop a heart breaker. Couldn’t happen to a nicer team :)

    raymagnetic, which team, the Sux or the panic brigade???

    :)

    Looking forward to the Sux postgame interviews. Poor Lackey. He did get screwed. I wonder if Papeldone will be at all humble or penitent – for the first time.

  200. GreenBeret7 August 12th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    Toronto is a close to Boston as Boston is to Tampa. I still say that Boston has a tough row to hoe. Catching Tampa and watching out for Toronto. That’s not easy to ignore.

  201. Wave Your Hat August 12th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    YankFanCA:

    http://spreadsheets.google.com.....utput=html

    Teach a man to fish…

  202. Giuseppe Franco August 12th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    BTW, the Red Sox now head to Texas and the Rangers have given them all kinds of fits the last couple of years.

    Rangers win 2 of 3 this weekend.

  203. Yank1 August 12th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Bruney is now with the Mets AAA team. He has bounced around a lot this year

  204. Tom in N.J. August 12th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    The Red Sox are closer to fourth place then they are to first place.

  205. YankFanCA August 12th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Thanks, Wave. Damn, I was hoping he was locked in for multiple years. Looks like he’s a goner next year. He’ll be closing for a third-tier team shortly.

  206. raymagnetic August 12th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Trisha, both!!!! Lol

  207. CountryClub August 12th, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    mikeaxisa Papelbon has blown six saves this season. Mariano Rivera has blown six saves since the start of 2008.

  208. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Gold Glove where are you? Did you see what those terrifying Sux just did? I hope you’re taking that Ortiz-like picture off your alleged Yankee blog!

    ;)

  209. Yank1 August 12th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    PeteAbe
    There are losses, there are bad losses and there is that mess. #RedSox. 22 minutes ago

    PeteAbe
    This is a pretty epic failure by the #RedSox. Now Bard gets the bases loaded and one out in a 5-5 game. 26 minutes ago

  210. Doreen August 12th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    Last call for GTLU.

    I have the following lineups:

    Erica
    Joe from Long Island
    Yankee Trader
    Joe S formerly of Brooklyn
    upstate kate
    yankee21
    justinxdance27
    RayVT
    Unknown
    Gehrig27
    Chip
    Jeff NJ

  211. mikey487 August 12th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Great that the Sox lost. I can’t understand how anyone can ever root for that team. They are so much more fun to hate

  212. Cashman needs to go August 12th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Saw this on the redsox blog after they blew the game today and thought it was rather well written …. By the way alot of “gutless” and “loser” adjectives thrown at the team today by their fans – but surprisingly all of the fans were very respectful of one another and there were no name calling – as compared to this blog, this may be blasphemous but maybe we can actually learn something from RedSox fans….

    ******************

    TheYanksWin wrote:
    Oh, man, thought the Sawx were on a roll.
    But, again, scowling Paps puts the team in a hole.
    He was great, once, but now Tito never knows
    What he’ll get when Paplebon throws.

    Did you see what we did in Texas last night?
    Down 6-1 to Lee, the game looked like a fright.
    But we rallied, 7th, 8th and 9th innings…
    Mo came in, Elvis tripled and I wasn’t sure we’d be winning.

    But ol’ Mo took care of the next three
    Including free-swinging ol’ Vladdy.
    Tell Paps to watch the tape, that’s how it’s done.
    (And the closer can smile once in a while — show he’s having fun.)

    Good luck in Texas,
    Derek
    8/12/2010 3:38 PM EDT

  213. hardwired7 August 12th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Pete went from about five straight Adrian Beltre lovefest tweets to growing concern to resolute misery in the space of about 20 minutes.

  214. theREALkevin August 12th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    lol, those pete abe comments are priceless. that tubby, snarky, bitter jackass. at least he’s covering the team he actually roots for now. he can wallow in the red sox’ misery this offseason when they’re sitting at home and the Rays and Yankees are in the playoffs.

  215. pat August 12th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    YankeesPR Modell?s Times Square to open the world?s only New York #Yankees ticket booth offering same day ?Mo Saver? tickets for up to 50% off

  216. Gehrig27 August 12th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    It’s 72 and raining here. Stop by for a beer. I have plenty.

  217. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    “”By the way alot of “gutless” and “loser” adjectives thrown at the team today by their fans – but surprisingly all of the fans were very respectful of one another and there were no name calling – as compared to this blog, this may be blasphemous but maybe we can actually learn something from RedSox fans….”

    I think the difference is that the Sux fans know how to properly evaluate their third-place team and that’s likely why they’re very respectful of one another! When you start trashing your first-place team or its players, it does cause one to wonder what’s going on in your mind.

    Just sayin’

  218. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    I think Pete Abe and the Sux are a match made in heaven.

  219. Gehrig27 August 12th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    F pete abe and the howling baboon he rode in on.

  220. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Tom Caron just announced that there’s little league action coming up later tonight. I thought the Sux already played today!

  221. Giuseppe Franco August 12th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Cashman needs to go August 12th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Saw this on the redsox blog after they blew the game today and thought it was rather well written …. By the way alot of “gutless” and “loser” adjectives thrown at the team today by their fans – but surprisingly all of the fans were very respectful of one another and there were no name calling – as compared to this blog, this may be blasphemous but maybe we can actually learn something from RedSox fans….

    ————

    Yeah, we could all learn something from Red Sox fans.

    The hypocrite who is disgusted by insults in this forum had no issues with calling Vazquez “gutless” this morning.

    You are an example to us all.

  222. pat August 12th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    YankeesPR Beginning 8/16, tickets go on sale the day of #Yankees home games, starting @ 8am 4 day games & noon 4 night games. #Modells #TimesSquare

  223. Cashman needs to go August 12th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Hi Trisha,

    I see where you’re coming from, but the fans DID bury papelbon pretty badly on the blog and still there was no name calling. I’m sorry I don’t think highly of some of the yankee players, I don’t think that as a yankee fan I have to “like” every player… or GM ;-)

    We’re all entitled to express who we like or dislike without feeling like we are beat up on for having those sentiments

    Additionally – I’m not sure i agree that because the team is in first place or third or dead last that there has to be a certain level of preemption on how you feel about someone. Regardless thanks for responding and have a great day..

  224. upstate kate August 12th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    much as I dislike the sox, I wouldn’t call them gutless or losers either…they have done better than I expected given all their injuries

  225. Doreen August 12th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    GTLU is Now Closed.

  226. jackamir August 12th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Hip flexor problem for Andy. He’s been pushed back.

  227. tampayank August 12th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Twitter is not healthy, you see attention w***** roller coaster of emotions. Bill Simmons of ESPN is the worst

  228. pat August 12th, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Jerry Manuel can’t be looking for any justification on why one of his players would be assaulting anyone in the Mets Family Room in front of other players wives and kids, could he?

    http://bit.ly/b1o4nf #Mets

  229. upstate kate August 12th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Cashman must go
    nobody says you need to like every player, we all have or favorites and the players we don’t care for. It is when you refer to someone as gutless that people object. Javy goes out there every 5th time and gives it his best shot. He doesn’t have emotional melt downs out there. He doesn’t always pitch as well as we would like, but IMO its not from lack of trying.

  230. Cashman needs to go August 12th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Giuseppe – the point i was trying to make is redsox fans WERE calling papelbon and the entire team gutless and losers – and yet NOT ONE FAN felt the need to call those bloggers idiots or stupid or trolls..

    I have never called any blogger any name without first them doing it to me – and fans have called yankee players worse names than gutless. Calling a yankee player a name – whom i will probably never see or talk to – as compared to calling a blogger an idiot who for what its worth i am “talking to” while blogging is something totally different. Why would it matter to you how i feel about a player as opposed to lets say what i say about someone you consider a friend on the blog, or even you for that matter. And may i add the name gutless has been used ALOT on here to describe not only vazquez but a few other current yankee players.

    If that is classless then there are a heck of alot more classless people on here than just me – including ALOT of the regular posters who have been alot more disrespectful than I have ever been on here.

  231. theREALkevin August 12th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    upstate kate, i would question your assertion that javy doesn’t have emotional meltdowns out there. from my perspective it actually seems that’s just the case a lot of the time. he pitches away from contact, pitches scared, and doesn’t trust any of his stuff. i would actually bet that he DOES get too emotional in his head, thinks too much, and his confidence wavers. maybe he’s just crap against good teams, maybe he just doesn’t have the talent. but just because he doesn’t punch glass and cut his hand doesn’t mean he’s not emotional out there on the mound. you don’t know what’s going through his mind.

  232. Erin August 12th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Darn-I didn’t know GTLU was happening today. :(

  233. upstate kate August 12th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    I see your point Kevin, we have seen that from Joba on occasion as well.

  234. Irreverent Discourse August 12th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    “We’re all entitled to express who we like or dislike without feeling like we are beat up on for having those sentiments”

    This is… inherantly false. You are posting your opinion on a public message baord. If you didn’t want it disected and thrown back in your face than keep that opinion to yourself.
    (especially if you dislike someone for no good reason)… no one cares what you think about a player unless you are willing to at least defend why you think it.

  235. upstate kate August 12th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    oh Erin, Girardi will come up w/ some strange line up none of us would have thought of anyway :)

  236. Irreverent Discourse August 12th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    javy doesn’t pitch scared, he pitches low strikes that hardly ever get properly called… then gets beat on “screamers” like that ground ball up the middle that just happened to find a hole and bury him. he’s not that far off from pitching lights out every time on the mound. a few bounces his way and he’d have 14-15 wins and no one would be talking about it.

  237. David August 12th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    The Red Sox board are polite because they don’t have Red Sox TROLLS there, the trolls come here to stir up trouble!

  238. Wave Your Hat August 12th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Javy is a fly ball pitcher.

    When the fly balls stay in the park, he is good. When they don’t, he has problems.

    It is really as simple as that.

  239. Cashman needs to go August 12th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    upstate kate – can you honestly say that i have been the only person that has used that adjective on here…have you been on the blog during the games – especially when burnett and javy pitch? have you seen what people have said about granderson and even jeter at times – its a blog, people will say what they feel at the time – and its addressed to someone who will never read or talk to any of us – some bloggers have wished death to some players…

    its when bloggers start disrespecting other bloggers that i feel is wrong – especially the “regulars” on here that for some reason are giving a free pass to call people names at will…i’m not going to sit here and take bleep from someone who knows just as little or even less than i do about something…i’m sorry but thats the way i was raised – i’ll respect you if you do the same to me…as for players that is just the emotion and passion taking over when you get disappointed in their performance…anyone that takes offense to that then maybe should be taking up yoga ….

  240. Erin August 12th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    upstate kate August 12th, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    oh Erin, Girardi will come up w/ some strange line up none of us would have thought of anyway

    ******************************
    LOL

    Thanks kate-you made me feel better about missing it. :)

  241. Gehrig27 August 12th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Yak….Yak…Yak….

    I would love to hear this same conversation with all of you in a room together and not hiding in your mother’s upstairs closet.

  242. Giuseppe Franco August 12th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    # Cashman needs to go August 12th, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Giuseppe – the point i was trying to make is redsox fans WERE calling papelbon and the entire team gutless and losers – and yet NOT ONE FAN felt the need to call those bloggers idiots or stupid or trolls..

    I have never called any blogger any name without first them doing it to me – and fans have called yankee players worse names than gutless. Calling a yankee player a name – whom i will probably never see or talk to – as compared to calling a blogger an idiot who for what its worth i am “talking to” while blogging is something totally different. Why would it matter to you how i feel about a player as opposed to lets say what i say about someone you consider a friend on the blog, or even you for that matter. And may i add the name gutless has been used ALOT on here to describe not only vazquez but a few other current yankee players.

    If that is classless then there are a heck of alot more classless people on here than just me – including ALOT of the regular posters who have been alot more disrespectful than I have ever been on here.

    ————

    So it’s okay to call a player “gutless” because he doesn’t read the blog or you won’t meet him in person? Justify it all you want, but that just makes you cowardly because you do it from afar.

    Insults are insults whether you do it in this forum or target a player. It’s not different at all.

    Doesn’t make you any more “classy” because your hurling them at a ballplayer (who is a helluva lot more successful in life than you) rather than someone in this forum.

    It just makes you a hypocrite.

  243. theREALkevin August 12th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Irreverent, ur really off on Javy. Really. U think its a coincidence he’s good everywhere except new york? Or that he especially can’t beat the good teams here? He constantly nibbles, gets behind, puts runners on and has to give in and he gets crushed. If that’s not pitching scared I don’t know what is.

  244. Erin August 12th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Totally off topic, but today’s Google doodle is awesome :)

  245. Doreen August 12th, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    Erin -

    As long as the lineup hasn’t been put on Twitter yet, I’ll take yours. I’m having trouble logging onto Twitter right now.

  246. MTU August 12th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    A while back one of the Mediots, I forget who, said that JV had a “loser gene”.

    After that time, one of our esteemed poster’s (Blake), knowing of my scientific brillance and extreme versatility, assigned me the task of “removing” Javy’s “loser gene” and replacing it it with a “winner
    gene”.

    Some of you may recall that I worked endless hours in my lab ( I posted photos) to solve the problem.

    Nothing less than a complete gene splice would do the trick and so I perservered until I finally found the answer. After all this was the Yankees we’re talking about.

    I pronounced Javy fully cured Months ago, and the rest, my friends, is History.

    To believe Javy has regressed is therefore just plain nonsense.

    I know it, you know it, and most importantly Javy knows it.

    He’s just a little tired that’s all. Case closed. :)

  247. Ninja Burglar August 12th, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    Obviously he’s still adjusting to his move to the Bronx, but at this point has Berkman been any better than Juan Miranda? Worse?

  248. Irreverent Discourse August 12th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    theREALkevin – that doesn’t even describe “pitching scared” so no… i don’t think it’s a coincidence. pitching scared has nothing to do with who or where you pitch, and everything about what pitches you throw and how you go about your game plan.

  249. pat August 12th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    Doreen

    I just refreshed and it’s not up yet.

  250. tampayank August 12th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    “# jackamir August 12th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Hip flexor problem for Andy. He’s been pushed back.

    will he still do 1 start in Tampa? or will he go up to Trenton or Scranton?

  251. Erin August 12th, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Thanks Doreen!!! I hope you had a good time on your trip. :)

    SS Jeter
    RF Swisher
    1B Teixeira
    3B Rodriguez
    2B Cano
    C Posada
    DH Thames
    CF Granderson
    LF Gardner

    Thanks again

  252. pat August 12th, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    BryanHoch Bombers Beat: Steinbrenner memorial could be Sept. 20 http://bit.ly/9K3j2k

  253. Cashman needs to go August 12th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Irreverant discourse – i welcome a good debate as much as the next coherent person

    i have no issues whatsoever to list as many reasons as the person wants to prove a point

    i welcome my comments “thrown back in my face” but when you start the counterpoint with “You’re a bleeping idiot and you know nothing” then its gets personal. Why can’t the cavemen (and women) start the commenting with “Prove to me how so and so is gutless” or “I don’t think you know what you are talking about when you say Javy is gutless”

    trust me i am far from an expert on most things – and i welcome smart bloggers teaching me some things or even putting me in my place – but come at me with some logical and respectful dialogue and not the usual idiot, child and troll blanket comment which in reality shows just how unintelligent THAT person is..

    by the way – i know you don’t care about my opinion, but how you responded to my comment is how everyone should be if they don’t want this place to start being a bleep slinging forum..and for that I thank you..

  254. Doreen August 12th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Thanks, pat. Erin?

  255. Yank1 August 12th, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    Lee’s last 5 starts against the Yankees

    6.1 IP, 4 R – (w/ TEX)
    9 IP, 4 R – (w/ SEA)
    7 IP, 5 R – (w/ PHI game 5)
    9 IP, 1 R – (w/ PHI game 1)
    6 IP, 3 R – (w/ CLE)

    Only 1 dominant start in his last 5 against us, yet he has some reputation as some kind of “Yankee killer” who we need to fear…. He’s good, but we’ve been able to score off him.

  256. theREALkevin August 12th, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Irreverent- clearly we have different definitions of pitching scared. No need to hash it out anymore.

  257. Erin August 12th, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    New Post: Not a good matchup

    :arrow:

  258. Jacques Strappe August 12th, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Carl Pavano in 2010 so far:
    14-7, 3.28, 1.08WHIP
    (we did always say “IF he’s healthy, the guy’s a good pitcher”)
    If a guy like HIM can rehab to THAT, there’s got to be hope for Curtis Granderson’s swing.

    Too bad about Chipper Jones … that ACL tear sure ‘erts.

  259. Doreen August 12th, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    You’re welcome, Erin. :)

    We had a nice time, but it’s great to be home – 7 loads of laundry & ironing notwithstanding. :lol:

  260. Cashman needs to go August 12th, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Giuseppe – if you feel that i am classless by saying javy is gutless than just about everyone on this blog is classless as i’ve been on here for about 2 years and everyone has at some point or another called yankee players out – (or other people on the blog)

    if you’re going to crucify me, which is OK to do, then you’ll hav eto bunch the entire lohud blogging population in with me as well –

    i’m sorry for having passion about the team i love – and i’m sorry i can’t be like derek jeter who doesn’t say anything about anyone – can you imagine having a blog full of derek jeter’s? wouldn’t be too interesting – unless of course they talk about who they are dating and what they do after the game :-)

  261. Wave Your Hat August 12th, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    Javy’s OPS against by inning:

    1 .659
    2 .714
    3 .739
    4 .715
    5 .737
    6 1.342
    7 .564

    If Javy is gutless or pitches scared (which points of view I do not agree with), it is only in the 6th inning.

    Which would be very peculiar…

  262. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Cashman needs to go, I think the difficulty I have is that according to the definition of gutless, Vasquez is not gutless. That’s why I posted the definition. You might call him ineffective at times, you might call him a lot of other things that seem to fit, but I took exception because I don’t think that shoe fits. I have to say you are absolutely correct that others have used that same word, and I think others have been called on it too. But the reason it was probably discussed as much as it was, was because we weren’t in a game thread, where things fly by so fast you’re onto another thing quickly.

    I also want to say that nobody should get a free pass just because the person is a regular. I dislike SJ44 personally disparaging posters. He has done it quite a bit and I think it takes away from whatever else he brings to this board. Nobody needs to call names as a matter of course just because someone else takes a different position – really even if the other person is being outrageous. Disagree with the position, yes. Don’t be mean and nasty to the poster. That’s just my opinion.

    ONWARD AND UPWARD.

  263. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 12th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    And as a disclaimer, I have told posters to put their big-girl and big-boy panties on when they have seemed to be a little over-the-top in their worrying. That probably isn’t right and I apologize for that.

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