Aceves expects one more rehab start
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 14, 2010 
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After two good innings last night in Trenton, Alfredo Aceves told Mike Ashmore that he expects to make at least one more rehab outing before he’s ready to rejoin the big league bullpen.
“I’m probably going to stay for six days; five (or) six days here in Trenton,” Aceves said. “Probably having another start here, maybe two, I don’t know. I don’t have that decision in my hands.”
Two hitless innings on 26 pitches is pretty good, and he seems to have impressed Austin Romine and Tony Franklin, but with the Yankees bullpen pitching so well lately, there’s absolutely no need to rush Aceves.
Don’t forget, Aceves was moved to the 60-day when the Yankees added three players at the trade deadline. The team will have to make a 40-man move when he comes back. Probably not a huge issue, but something to keep in mind.
Good news. On the other hand, Pettitte is finding it hard to heal naturally.
SAS-
Glad you got your “confuser” working again.
You are a lovely lady but you really should move to a place where the food is cheaper.
What’s the most likely 40 man roster move?
Rich-
Corona.
# Rich in NJ August 14th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
What’s the most likely 40 man roster move?
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Wilkin De La Rosa ,Greg Golson
i think both Pettite and Aceves will be up after Sept 1, when rosters are expanded.
If you take into considerations that Yankees with need roster spot for Pettite , Aceves and Marte in the playoffs. Then you will have no room for Gaudin, Mitre, and Moseley on the playoff roster. Let’s say theoretically, Javy assumes the long man role, the question will be that if he is better @ that than those three. a small problem, but i think nonetheless represent an argument .
MTU,
You are right. At least we are in AZ half the year. It does make a difference.
By the way, we have an adult son with Aspberger’s Syndrome, a form of Autism. He is a sweet heart who has been unable to work for the last 10 years (actually it is longer and a longer story).
It is a heartbreak for him and those who love him
To be called up in September, you still have to be on the 40-man roster.
I think sometimes people misunderstand that. Prior to Sept 1st, only players on the 25-man roster can play on the Major League club. As of September 1st, anyone on the 40 man roster can play. You can’t just call up anyone. Also, to be eligible for the playoff and world series roster, a player must be on the 25-man roster by August 31st. So September call-ups are NOT eligible to play in the post-season.
Corona’s going to be out for a long time with a broken shoulder, and at best, he’s a potential utility infielder. Nobody’s going to risk taking him just to put on their own 40 man roster. He also can be moved to the Yanks 60 Day DL.
SAS-
I remembered you describing that dinner is all. Just funnin’. I knew you spent time in AZ.
on the Autism, you may be a soulmate with Doreen and relate to her on a very human level. I wish you and him the best. It can’t be any easy thing to deal with.
GB-
I always said you knew the Minors. Got that one wrong. Should have just checked with you first. What the hell is wrong with me ? Oh, we already know the answer to that.
MTU August 14th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
GB-
I always said you knew the Minors. Got that one wrong. Should have just checked with you first. What the hell is wrong with me ? Oh, we already know the answer to that.
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dust mites in your attic?
MTU,
Indeed I do consider her a soulmate, she just doesn’t know it because we are always talking baseball.
The present 40-man roster :
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy
Greg Golson ? Reegie Corona ? Wilkin De La Rosa ?
Can’t see Nick Johnson ready any time soon and he certainly won’t be on a postseason roster.
Cashman will have some shuffling to do.
Our bullpen is really tearing it up recently. Gaudin was superb yesterday; Aceves’ return will be even better. Mitre may be the only weasel in the pen!
GB-
Bats in the Belfry.
SAS-
Maybe you carefully broach the subject with her sometime.
you take into considerations that Yankees with need roster spot for Pettite , Aceves and Marte in the playoffs. Then you will have no room for Gaudin, Mitre, and Moseley on the playoff roster. Let’s say theoretically, Javy assumes the long man role, the question will be that if he is better @ that than those three. a small problem, but i think nonetheless represent an argument .
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Why would we gamble on Javy as a long man when either Mosely, Ace, Mitre or even Gaudin are experienced relievers?
Give Phil the 4th starter job and bring 8 relievers: Mo, Joba, Robo, Logan, Wood, Ace,Marte,Moseley would be my choice.
“Indeed I do consider her a soulmate, she just doesn’t know it because we are always talking baseball”
SAS
She’s so eloquent especially talking about something so near to our heart. BTW, I have a teen son with HFA as well.
The issue is not the 40 man roster, it’s the 25 man roster. If either Pettitte or aceves is ready before the end of the month, NYYs will need to secure waivers on someone like Gaudin or Mitre. Either one could get claimed by Tampa, Texas, Twins, White Sox or Red Sox. That means working out a trade with a possible playoff team or delaying bringing in the better pitchers.
“Why would we gamble on Javy as a long man when either Mosely, Ace, Mitre or even Gaudin are experienced relievers?”
Because Javy is better than probably all of them, and he will be on the playoff roster, while at least two of the other four probably won’t.
There is a month and a half before decisions about the playoffs. First, we have to get there. Second, lots can happen between now and then.
Tar,
HFA???
SAS
High Function Autism.
# Rich in NJ August 14th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
“Why would we gamble on Javy as a long man when either Mosely, Ace, Mitre or even Gaudin are experienced relievers?”
Because Javy is better than probably all of them, and he will be on the playoff roster, while at least two of the other four probably won’t.
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OK. Javy would be better than Ace in a long man role?
Don’t bet on Javy being on the roster. There’s only room for 4 starters and Hughes has Girardi’s trust over Javy.
I would take any of those 4 over Javy in the pen, he’s not a reliever.
mick
There is a reason that pitchers become starters rather than non-closer relievers and other pitchers become non-closer relievers.
It’s just much harder to start. It takes three good pitches, the ability to adjust as you go through the lineup several times in a game, and to have stamina.
If you put Javy in the pen, he would likely be better than Aceves.
I think you take the best “healthy” arms, and fit them into the role, for the play-offs.
Right now I don’t beleive Javy is healthy. In fact it wouldn’t surprise me to see him go on the DL for Ace or Andy when they come back.
Girardi may not want to push Aceves into a long man role given his back issues. Perhaps he keeps him limited to 2 inning stints for awhile.
Vazquez is going to make the postseason roster. It would be a mistake to bury him.
btw, My heart goes out to Doreen, SAS, Tar.
Tar,
Our son is 39 years old. Probably considered brilliant. He is also hearing impaired. In any case, it appears that work is out of the question
my heart goes out to sas, tar, and doreen as well.
sorry for people with impaired children, my heart goes out…
bummer about Pettitte. The Yankees really need him, hopefully he can get back this season
this is probably better news for pettitte. the more rest he gets now, the fresher he will be later in the season.
Girardi may not want to push Aceves into a long man role given his back issues. Perhaps he keeps him limited to 2 inning stints for awhile.
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I agree which is why they need another long man on the post roster. Moseley has earned a spot, Mitre and Gaudin could be odd men out, if all are healthy.
Would actually like Gaudin over Javy for versatlity alone
Thanks Mick and CR9
Rich in NJ,
Thank you
CB August 14th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Bret-
Please find a different forum for your theories. This isn’t even remotely the place for this.
This has always been a place to talk about the yankees, baseball and sports.
Let’s keep it to that. I’m sure there are thousands of marginal websites out there where you can find a receptive audience for your notions.
Stop using a popular yankees website as an opportunity for a forum to spread your ideas to the public.
It’s very unappealing.
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Great, so this includes people’s personal problems, and other assorted off topic stuff as well. I’m all for it.
I’ll take Vazquez over Gaudin any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I’d skip Vazquez a start ASAP. He probably needs some rest more than anything. The guy got it together in May and was as good as anyone in the rotation for 2 1/2 months.
How can you compare a starter to a reliever, in the pen?
While I see your point that , in general, they might be better pitchers, are they used to getting up and down, etc…in the pen?
Could Javy come back 2 nights in a row?
How often does Gaudin appear two days in a row?
When he pitches, it’s usually 2-3 inning stints and that eliminates him from being available the next day, especially when you consider that he tends to throw a lot of pitches per inning.
If you have a stat which illustrates how many times Gaudin has pitched in consecutive games this season, I’d love to hear it.
Gaudin and Moseley probably won’t be on the playoff roster.
There is a reason why they are journeymen and Javy makes $10m+ a year.
Obviously, if Javy is hurt, that changes things, but short of that, he has far more talent than any of the relievers mentioned.
If it came down to Javy or Gaudin, they would prob. go with Javy, in the event that he would be needed for a possible 6-7 inng stint but , in any case, that should be our worst problem. I’ll leave it to them, thy’re the experts.
After a quick search, Gaudin has appeared on consecutive days twice this season. But both were in April when he was in Oakland.
Hasn’t happened at all since the Yanks re-acquired him on 5/26.
I question a starter being able to get up and down.
Thanks guys.
“Could Javy come back 2 nights in a row?”
Depending of course on how much he was used, for the play-offs the answer would have to be yes.
I also think Javy is slightly higher than Ace in the pecking order. Although, Ace seems to have that “El Duque” quality about him. You kind of want him in there in that big spot. But I don’t beleive it comes down to these two.
I think Mosely, Mitre and Gaudin would be the first to go. Which would allow you to add Andy, Ace and Marte.
Boy, Boston is really jinxed.
Ellsbury hurt his ribs again last night and is going back to Boston to have them checked.
I think they’ll wait to activate Aceves until Sept 1st.
No matter what we think of Gaudin, Moseley, or Mitre, they’ve all done a pretty good job with Pettitte out.
I wouldn’t want to see them get rid of any of these guys and watch and catch on somewhere else to help a contender.
Can’t have too much pitching – especially with Pettitte still out and Vazquez needing to recharge his battery.
I have the utmost respect for CB, but he/she has no right to tell anyone – on the internet – what they can or cannot post about.
If you don’t like the posts, pass by it. Threads are hijacked all the time, with much less interesting conversation – of which many are not even remotely about sports.
There are no rules for posting on this blog that limits the discussion to that of the Yankees, baseball, or sports. The only person(s) that have the right to tell someone what to post or not post is Chad or Sam – or anyone else running the blog.
Bret, your ideas and philosophies are appreciated. I may not agree with all of them – i.e. Gardner, Arod’s lack of power, vaccines being dangerous – but it is interesting to read your ideas.
I think Mosely, Mitre and Gaudin would be the first to go. Which would allow you to add Andy, Ace and Marte.
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I can see that. Javy could be the final addition to the pen where it is unlikely he will be used but is there as insurance and not a total demotion off the roster.
GF
Do you think that the Yankees will wait until September – and the 40-man roster – to bring back Andy and Aceves, so they won’t have to get rid of Gaudin, Mitre, or Moseley?
I wouldn’t want to see them get rid of any of these guys and watch him catch on somewhere else to help a contender.
Andy and certainly Aceves can wait til 9/1. What is the urgency?
On second thought, I guess CB does have a right – as he/she can post anything he/she wants to!
SAS
You are a pioneer!
One night when it’s quiet around here, hopefully we can re-visit the subject. I would love to hear more. Thanks.
off the top my head, I think Javy has had subpar outings against Red Sox, Twins, White Sox, Rays and Rangers. that’s pretty much the playoff competition we are going to face. with a career ERA of 10ish in the playoff , I don’t know if he will be suited anywhere in the playoff.
then I again I hate Javy, so my thoughts on this might be little jaded in this case.
# CR9 August 14th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Do you think that the Yankees will wait until September – and the 40-man roster – to bring back Andy and Aceves, so they won’t have to get rid of Gaudin, Mitre, or Moseley?
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Yes, I do. Not so much about Pettitte but specifically Aceves.
Aceves is better than any of the other options when he’s right. But he’s been battling that back issue all season and we have no idea how he’s going to hold up.
It would be hard to get rid of someone doing a good job for your team when his replacement is still a health risk despite being more established/talented.
Cashmoney
Why do you hate Javy? If anything, you should respect him for pitching through injury the entire 2nd half of the 2004 season.
good news!
still, lose to Royals?!
Right now th pen is strong and should be getting stronger.
Javy will prolly never see the light of day (or night) from the pen and neither would any last man out of the pen.
Joba will be used less and less, and I like it.
Andy has a rehab next Wed then possibly a minor league start 5 days after that. At the best that would have him ready the last 3 days of this month.
Of course we could wait those 3 days to reactivate him.
I question a starter being able to get up and down.
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No response?
Per Rosenthal, Jays giving Romero a 5/$30 extension- largest guarantee ever given a 2nd year pitcher.
I’m not 100% sure, but, I believe if a player is on the DL, he can be activated after 8/31 for the playoffs. Therefore, when the rosters expand, you can have additional players for use during the season, and still activate a player on the DL for the post season.
# CR9 August 14th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Cashmoney
Why do you hate Javy? If anything, you should respect him for pitching through injury the entire 2nd half of the 2004 season.
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i don’t remember 2004, except he got hammered in the playoff and regular seasons by the red sox. if he was hurt, he should have told someone and instead being putrid in the second half.
i hate him because i think he is the antithesis of a big game pitcher. The most salient thing you can say about Javy’s season is that he won’t be offer arb this winter. I hope the door doesn’t hit him on his way out.
According to Rule 40(a), a player must be on his club’s active big league roster or disabled list (or bereavement list, suspended list, or military list) on August 31 in order to be eligible for post-season play.
Thanks Tom
The Yankees will offer Javy arb, that way when he opts for FA, they get the draft picks.
Al-
If it’s not too early for you please show up on the blog tomorrow morn and I’ll put up that Geology stuff and maybe some other things that will interest you.
With the way he’s pitching and how poor his stuff is, I do not want the Yankees offering Javy arb- there’s a good chance he’ll take it.
MTU – You got it.
The bullpen has been great but I think Ace is an upgrade over Gaudin, I’m looking forward to his return.
Betsy -
Javy will not take arb from the Yankees, he wants one last big pay check, most likely from a NL East team. Did someone just say Mets?
# BIG AL August 14th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
The Yankees will offer Javy arb, that way when he opts for FA, they get the draft picks.
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AL, i don’t think so, I would think Yankees would be afraid that Javy will accept it due the reason that no other teams might offer Javy a contract in dollars what he will get from arb. But it’s moot and we will find out after the season.
Big Al, who exactly is giving Javy big $$$? The NL isn’t THAT weak where you can get by with awful stuff…………..If I’m the Mets, I don’t take the chance that this guy turns into a better version of Oliver Perez. Also, they don’t really need him. They have Santana, Niese, Pelfrey, Dickey………
Ace in 10 days …………… A big addition to a bullpen that’s really starting to get it together.
Better to peak later than too early.
Betsy -
You are being too harsh on Javy. After a very poor start, his numbers are not that bad. Don’t look at a small sample when evaluateing a player, either good or bad. He has always been a much stronger performer in the NL, and teams know this.
Does he still have his NTC if he accepts arb?
Betsy -
I just looked up Javy’s splits, and if you look at them, I think you’ll agree he deserves more respect than he’s getting.
March/April ERA 9.00, WHIP 1.8
May ERA 4.94, WHIP 1.455
June ERA 3.23, WHIP 0.974
July ERA 3.34, WHIP 1.113
August ERA 8.38, WHIP 2.069 (Last game pitched)
Great news, just got off the phone with Alfredo and his wife. Ace will pitch in Trenton on Tuesday, and if he has another good outing, then it’s back to NY.
Alfredo says thank you to all the fans that have been so supportive, and for rooting for him, he really appreciates all the kind words written on the blog.
His back feels good, no pain or discomfort at all.
Just as there is truth to the Good AJ bad AJ…Vasquez suffers from the same disease. I was in Seattle when Vasquez had a No Hitter going into the late innings. He has his moments but the memories or better said hauntings of 2004 still tag him with only one personality…Bad Vasquez. He is worth a spot on the Playoff roster…BTW…I am glad that there is no disagreement that we will be there!
Just as there is truth to the Good AJ bad AJ…Vasquez suffers from the same disease. I was in Seattle when Vasquez had a No Hitter going into the late innings. He has his moments but the memories or better said hauntings of 2004 still tag him with only one personality…Bad Vasquez. He is worth a spot on the Playoff roster…BTW…I am glad that there is no disagreement that we will be there!
BIG AL August 14th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Great news, just got off the phone with Alfredo and his wife.
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AL
Can you try to get Ace in here for a few minutes?
He will not come on the blog, I don’t believe. He does not have internet in Trenton, but will have when he gets back to NY. I just talk with them by phone.
Arley is calling me back in about 3 hours. She has her Mom & Grandma visiting here from Mexico, and had matters to attend to.
I’ll ask, but, Alfredo is really quite shy, although you’d never think so.