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Joba: “We understood we had to get better”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 14, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Yankees Rangers BaseballLate last night and into the early hours of this morning, the Yankees needed  a run more than anything else. They never got one, and that was the difference in the game.

But the bullpen gave them every possible chance.

I’ve written it before, but it seems more and more true every day: The Yankees bullpen has really become a strength.

Mariano Rivera can put the go-ahead run at third base and retire three all-stars in a row. Dave Robertson can struggle out of the gate, battle through a tough at-bat and get a strikeout to close out a win. Chad Guadin, Kerry Wood, Boone Logan and Joba Chamberlain can combine for 3.2 hitless innings after more than two hours of rain.

“We just take pride,” Chamberlain said. “We understood we had to get better, and that was from top to bottom. Having Mo out there as our leader, it’s great. I think bringing Woody in, the fact he’s been there and he’s done that, it kind of gives us a different perspective of success and understanding how to do things and handle it the right way.”

It’s hard to say it was absolutely Wood who made the difference — Robertson had been awfully good before Wood showed up, Logan had been terrific since the all-star break — but it must be hard for him to believe that this team really needed relief help at the trade deadline. He’s seen these guys pitch very, very well.

“You start feeding off each other,” Wood said. “That’s when things kind of click and come together. I think we all know we’re throwing the ball pretty well right now. We just try to feed off each other and pick the next guy up when you go in. Just go out and put up zeroes. Just try to keep it as simple as we can.”

Associated Press photo of Wood

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90 Responses to “Joba: “We understood we had to get better””

  1. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2010 at 11:49 am

    Kerry Wood might be the best thing to happen to Joba Chamberlain. Very similar pitchers with some of the same issues.

  2. m August 14th, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Bullpen has been very impressive. Don’t know when it started, probably with Robertson & Logan getting it together. Continued when Joba was relegated to lower leverage situations. Wood has been adventurous, but the results are there. It’s not done yet, Aceves may be back. Marte, too. Even if neither comes back, I feel confident that we can deal with the last 3-4 innings of a tight ballgame.

    Off-Topic:

    Doreen,

    I don’t even know you, but I know that you are a diligent person who will do the right things when it comes to your family. Your children are yours, and they are special. Their challenges make them even more special.

    Please don’t let others shake your foundation or let doubt creep in. It’s probably taken you many years to arrive at the peaceful place you are in, and your children are very lucky to have you.

  3. pat August 14th, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Doreen

    Occasional bittnerness isn’t bad as long as you don’t let it define you and from what I’ve “seen” you don’t.

    I have a nephew with Asperger and anyone who deals with that and more deserves more praise and less guilt.

    My mom always says if we all put our “problems” into a pile, you’d likely take back your own because you have the skills to deal with them and you lady, have skills!

  4. CB August 14th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    For the past 3 seasons the Yanks pen has been poor to start the season and by the end was one of the best in baseball.

    That’s not an accident. It’s the result of a strategy.

    Going into the season I though the Yanks would have one of the best pens in baseball. And I didn’t think their struggles were a reason to be that worried.

    And part of why was due to their depth and ability to add players during the season.

    I know Chan Ho Park was terrible here. But it wasn’t a mistake to bring him in because the underlying idea is the right one.

    Relief pitchers besides Mo are amazing volatile. You just don’t know what you’re going to get from them from year to year.

    That’s why the best tact to take is to multiply all of your options and ultimately see what sticks.

    So Chan Ho Park was a disaster after having a strong season last year for the Phils. But Boon Logan emerges and really helps out given Marte’s injury. Kerry Wood winds up looking like he’s turning it around after a terrible season in Cleveland.

    But if you take this overall strategy you can’t get bent out of shape if any one guy fails. Even before hand you know not all of the options will work out. An Aceves will get hurt. So even though Mitre’s not great he’s a good second guy to have to replace Ace.

    If you go one for two out of Logan and Park you have a good chance of constructing a strong pen, especially when you’re building around Mo.

    However, it takes some time to sort things out and see how they do. If you decide to send Robertson down to AAA when he’s struggling he might not get a chance to turn his season around.

  5. Betsy August 14th, 2010 at 11:56 am

    I missed the end of the game as I had to to sleep, but what a disappointing game…….however, I’ m just not surprised as the offense has been and will continue to be inconsistent.

  6. Bret The Hitman August 14th, 2010 at 11:58 am

    Joe,

    There problem with the current status quo in medical publications is that the influence of a handful of purist, MD’s like you mention, lack the organization, financial means and communication apparatus to spread their scientific knowledge.

    Most of the information infiltrating the medical community comes from the powerful, influential source that is the medical-industrial complex.

    That is how lead got in paint, despite the dispute of a handful of medical dissenters.

    That is how lead found its way to the fuel pump.

    Why immunization shots contain a derivative of a toxic metal and selective research nevertheless supports its ongoing inclusion in inoculations.

    On the nutrition end of things, the food-industrial complex basically rewrote the Food Pyramid to promote consumption of taxpayer subsidized wheat (gluten) and milk (casein). Food manufacturers, including junk food manufacturers are given 15 billion dollars per year.

    Do you want to know how much of our tax money supports the growing of healthy foods on small scale organic farms?

    None.

    How about large scale producers of fruits and vegetables, known anti-cancer foods?

    Zero.

    Our health is largely controlled by industry and industry is clearly misusing the Earth, abusing the health of its citizens and profiting from it.

  7. Bronx Jeers August 14th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Essay question:

    Compare and contrast the demise of Joba’s slider to that of the Mayan Civilization.

    Earn easy bonus points if mention corn.

  8. DYD INDA WUL August 14th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    # Tom in N.J. August 14th, 2010 at 10:43 am

    The mayan people never disappeared. The centralized goverment collapsed and the civilization branched off into multiple city states.
    ________________________________________________

    Refreshing to hear such a sublime understanding. The proof of the theory that the Maya died off, were eradicated, etc. is ultimately that archaeologists could not find grave sites near their great cities.

    The assumption that because no sites were found meant that the people simply died off presumes that the people actually lived in these cities.

    What was amazing about the Maya is that they developed an astronomical system that rivaled those of other great civilizations, built great cities and structures, yet did not use such knowledge for commercial ends as dis many of those civilizations that perpetuated themselves into the present.

    The Maya built great city-centers as places to gather, to learn to worship. They, however, lived humbly in the countryside, using their advanced understanding of cosmic–time to aid them in the simple matter of farming. In contrast certain civilizations that passed on their homes, structures built to endure, to their offspring, the Maya believed their spirit, not their physical bodies were eternal; there are therefore no ruins as in Greece, Italy, Spain, etc. for that matter to show that they ever lived.

    In a word, they did not cash in on their wisdom. You are right: the Maya did not go anywhere.

    To say that the Maya were eradicated because their cities are desolate, is like saying there are no Yankee fans, because the stadium is empty. Something like that. :-)

  9. stuart a August 14th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    getting aceves back and marte can only help. if pettitte comes back then mosely can be the long man. the bullpen then would be loaded…

  10. Joe from Long Island August 14th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    I forgot about the Brooklyn Cyclones, they play in Coney Island. But, they’re a Mets’ farm team, that’s probably why I dont think of them :)

    GB – good point about Kerry Wood’s having a positive influence on Joba.

  11. CB August 14th, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    Bret-

    Please find a different forum for your theories. This isn’t even remotely the place for this.

    This has always been a place to talk about the yankees, baseball and sports.

    Let’s keep it to that. I’m sure there are thousands of marginal websites out there where you can find a receptive audience for your notions.

    Stop using a popular yankees website as an opportunity for a forum to spread your ideas to the public.

    It’s very unappealing.

  12. BIG AL August 14th, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    Dispite all the dooms day talk concerning our food supplies etc., people live longer, more productive lives today, than any time in the history of man kind.

    But, that’s a whole other subject ………….. Later.

  13. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    CB, Kerry wood has always seemed like the kind of pitcher that needs something to get his competitive juices flowing and Cleveland just wasn’t doing it. That whole organization just seemed to give up and it’s affected the veterans as well as the rookies. If he gets it turned around over the final 2 months, I’d like to see him be resigned, at a lot less than the $11 mil his option requires. I think he has a lot to offer a team besides his arm.

  14. m August 14th, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Big Al,

    We’re in luck. Yankee fans live longer!

  15. Betsy August 14th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Bret can watch Penn & Teller’s Bullsh** on Showtime this week – it’s an epside about vaccinations. He would definitely identify with those people on that show who refuse to vaccinate their kids because they think doing so would cause autism, etc…

  16. Bret The Hitman August 14th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    CB,

    In case you didn’t realize it, I’m not the only one discussing non-baseball topics.

    I can go back and cite plenty of off-topics posts from several posters other than myself.

    They don’t offend you, but I do, huh?

    Are you singling me out for any specific reason?

  17. Bret The Hitman August 14th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Betsy,

    My sister refused to inoculate her 2 children.

    So, yeah, I can identify with it.

  18. MTU August 14th, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    Bronx-

    Breaks more quickly.

    And has more staying power.

    Cornhusker variety differenty from blue corn version.

    How’d I do ? Did I at least pass ? :)

  19. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Joe from Long Island August 14th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
    I forgot about the Brooklyn Cyclones, they play in Coney Island. But, they’re a Mets’ farm team, that’s probably why I dont think of them

    GB – good point about Kerry Wood’s having a positive influence on Joba.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    The similarities are eerie. Both came out of nowhere as rookies and became overnight sensations, got hurt and just sank into oblivion. Now, they are teamed up doing the same job on the same team and trying to get it all back. age is the only difference between the two fireballers.

  20. Joe from Long Island August 14th, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Bret, you do bring up some valid points on which we can agree. The food-industrial complex being one of them. Have you read any of the work of Michael Pollack?

    One of the best things I’ve ever seen was a paragraph written by him for a Sunday NY Times magazine article – To whit –

    1. Eat food. If your grandmother wouldn’t recognize it as food, don’t eat it. (That eliminates a lot of junk and processed stuff right there.)

    2. Just eat less of it.

    3. And eat more plants.

    4. You could also stand to exercise more.

    That really sums it up. If people would just do those four things, they’d be a lot healthier. No gym memberships or funky diets required.

  21. CB August 14th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    GB7-

    The situation in cleveland is really dire. They are just lost. They went from a promising team to one with no identity or talent.

    Not only is their major league roster devoid of talent – their minor league system isn’t that good either so it’s not even like they have a good chance of improving and making progress.

    So I could see it being tough for a guy like Wood to be there.

    That said, with Kerry I think a lot of it has to do with his mechanics. They’re very complicated and easily get out of wack.

    His problem recently has been that he gets in a funk, winds up walking people and then gets in a lot of trouble.

    He’s thrown well here – he’s going to walk guys though. But he’s got great stuff and is a good option.

    I’d guess this winter some team will give him a shot to close. He’ll never get 10M+ but I could see a team giving him 4-5M to close.

  22. CB August 14th, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    “Are you singling me out for any specific reason?”

    Because of the sheer volume and lengths of your posts. Once you get on something you don’t let it go.

    Go back to that last thread – you hijacked the entire thread and it was you who were driving the conversation. It was ridiculous.

    So while people do speak about off topic things here I can rember very few threads that spiraled down hill like the prior one where they had nothing to do with baseball or sports at all.

    It’s a straw man to hide behind off topic posting when you are completely rearranging the conversation.

    This isn’t a personal soap box.

  23. Doreen August 14th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Thanks, pat and m, for your very kind words.

    And pat, I agree with your mom. I wouldn’t choose anyone else’s problems. Although, I would choose to have NO problems, for sure!! :lol: (and that’s not an option for anyone)

    I do want to say, I didn’t mean to imply that my brand of suffering was any worse than anyone else’s, and I hope I didn’t give that impression.

    Bret -

    It may not be random culturally, but it sure is random on an individual to individual basis. Drug addicts can have healthy, smart children; tee-totallers like me can have autistic children. That seems random. I agree with you that good nutrition is important otherwise, I’d have given into Kraft MacNCheese a long time ago (not to disparage a very popular fast food). :)

  24. m August 14th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    “Bullpen Band of Brothers”

    Too much?

  25. Bronx Jeers August 14th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    MTU,

    A+

    Keep up the good work. :wink:

  26. hardwired7 August 14th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    about 100 yrs ago, this person was a sideshow freak because of his obesity, today he wouldn’t even merit a second glance:

    http://modeledbehavior.com/201.....cussion-2/

    what will things be like 100 yrs from now?

    :shudders:

  27. The Phenom August 14th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Agree with CB. Take it somewhere else. Too far off topic and too political.

  28. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    I can see Wood getting a closer’s job, but, just maybe he likes the clubhouse atmosphere in YS and stays another year. He looks better every game out. should be an interesting time this winter with a lot of teams looking for the same things…good relief pitching and a cheap bench. Those are the guys that are getting the first jobs.

  29. Betsy August 14th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Bret, ok – if that’s your take, that’s your take. I don’t buy it at all……..

  30. Bret The Hitman August 14th, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Joe,

    Did Pollan write Omnivore’s Dilemma?

    It’s on my must-read list.

    I also want to read more on the Paleo Diet, by Loren Cordain.

  31. Doreen August 14th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    So, back to the Yankees -

    I didn’t think they’d play out the game last night, so I went to sleep. Sounds like they might as well have not played it out, because the ensuing innings were an exercise in futility and the final score was no different.

    BUT it did give the bullpen a chance to shine again and I do believe that once they started to have success individually it became something they all fed on. I believe there is a bullpen culture and there more than anywhere else this sort of thing can happen. It’s good timing for them, too. I hope it keeps up.

  32. CB August 14th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Bret-

    One last thing on this – the specific reason I even brought it up is because you couldn’t even leave well enough alone in the last thread.

    You had to attempt to restart and continue the conversation that hijacked the last thread into this one by repasting a paragraphs long post that had nothing to do with baseball or sports.

    One thread wasn’t even good enough.

  33. 108 stitches August 14th, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    The bullpen has rounded into form. The run production needs to step it up.

  34. Bret The Hitman August 14th, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    CB,

    Sorry if you feel that way. I’ve never been bothered by lengthy posts about non-baseball topics but since you have expressed (however rudely in your use of the term “marginal”) I will cease.

    I’m not reading from a talking points memo if that makes you feel any better.

    These are not pre-prepared remarks.

    Stream of consciousness, really.

  35. Betsy August 14th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    I agree with Rconn- the Yankee lost a chance to put some distance between their pursuers. The offense is really the culprit and at this point, it is what it is……I don’t have a ton of confidence in it, nope I don’t.

  36. CB August 14th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    “I can see Wood getting a closer’s job, but, just maybe he likes the clubhouse atmosphere in YS and stays another year.”

    GB7-

    Guys get to different stages in their career and want different things. Wood has had one of the more heartbreaking careers in baseball over the last generation.

    I’ d guess he’s very relieved to have carved out a career despite all of the injuries and made a good amount of money. I’d guess he looks at Mark Prior and is happy to have escaped that fate.

    But it still can’t be easy. He probably lives with a lot of what ifs. I remember that 20K game he threw. Just outragous. His breaking ball looked like a boomerang and he was throwing high 90′s.

    So it’s possible he’s at a stage now where he’d like to be on a team that he’s comfortable with, gives him a chance to win and also has the depth to take workload off his arm.

  37. hardwired7 August 14th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    if/when Ace comes back, the pen will be that much deeper still.

    will there be room at the inn for Marte? w/his salary, I’m guessing yes.

    Ace replaces Gaudin

    Marte replaces ???

  38. MTU August 14th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Bret-

    I bear some of the responsibility for getting you started talking about your passion.

    I apologize for it. :(

  39. Tom in N.J. August 14th, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Speaking of minor leauge baseball, I was at a Syracuse Skychiefs game last Saturday. Before the game they had their induction ceremony fro the Syracuse Baseball Hall of Fame. They also had the plaques of players alread in. Lot’s of Yankees-Munson was the one most people were stopping at and reading.

  40. Betsy August 14th, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Wood is not a bitter man, remarkably.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5439416

    This is really a great article and I got very attached to Kerry after reading it.

  41. Bret The Hitman August 14th, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    MTU,

    It was early in the morning when the blog was still asleep so…I lost track of time when others joined in.

    It was harmless conversation.

    CB has a right to express his desire for it to stop, even if he did it rudely and I would’ve still stopped had he asked nicely.

  42. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    CB, I’m from Michigan, but about 90 miles from Chicago, so it’s definitely more Cubs than Tigers. Nobody even acknowledges the existence of the White Sox, but, other than watching the old Cubs teams and the occasional Wood, Prior, Sandberg, not a Cubs fan. My family is, though. The feelings about Wood/Prior run from pity to sadness to outrage. They were the hopes of the Cubs future and it was gone in about 3 years. That feeling runs through all Cubs fans and the papers. Right now, they’re all hoping for a Prior Miracle, but, being Cubbies, don’t expect one. They hate the Yankees but are thrilled that Kerry wood is doing so well, so far.

  43. CB August 14th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Brett-

    I didn’t mean to be rude. So my apologies for that.

  44. Cashmoney August 14th, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Did Pollan write Omnivore’s Dilemma?

    It’s on my must-read list.

    I also want to read more on the Paleo Diet, by Loren Cordain.
    ——————————————————————–
    yes, he also wrote Botany of Desire. I think most of his book has fundamental underlying theme of the way we eat represents our most profound engagement with the natural world.
    although i did not read ‘ in defense of food’ , I read the others.

  45. Bronx Jeers August 14th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Funny but that whole discussion started with a photo of an old Native American woman.

    Off-topic’s fine when it’s early and everbody’s still rubbing the sand form their eyes but now it’s time to get back to more important matters. Like Yankee world domination!

  46. Bret The Hitman August 14th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Bronx Jeers,

    The Yankees gene pool is strong.

    Here’s to many more conquests and crusades.

    :lol:

  47. Betsy August 14th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    I feel sorry for Wood that the Cubs didn’t want him back because that’s where he’d hoped to finish his career………seems like he’s very popular with the fans, though. I think I read that Mark Prior was trying to make a comeback; I hope he succeeds because living with the “what ifs” must be very hard. Was it Dusty Baker that hurt him? Just bad luck?

  48. MTU August 14th, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Bret-

    All I am trying to say is that I understand your passion and I find the subject of Nutrition interesting too.

    But I also understand the right of others to confine more of the subject matter to baseball.

    As some have pointed out, this is a “Community” with a variety of aspects, but it is still first and foremost a baseball blog.

    I apologize to anyone (CB ?) who I may have offended with my off topic posting or inclusion of photos. I too am guilty of displaying my passion for things other than baseball.

    Back to baseball. :)

  49. Rich in NJ August 14th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    It is kind of strange that the rotational depth and their HR power (i.e., their ability to comeback in games, especially those with bigger deficits) is now more in question than their pen.

  50. Cashmoney August 14th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    # hardwired7 August 14th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    if/when Ace comes back, the pen will be that much deeper still.

    will there be room at the inn for Marte? w/his salary, I’m guessing yes.

    Ace replaces Gaudin

    Marte replaces ???
    ——————————————
    if both of are Healthy , yes , then that’s another addition of the BP. But I think those are big Ifs, since Aceves was basically gonna go under the knife, and no one knows the severity’s Marte’s shoulder problem . who basically has been inconsistent except for his brilliant playoff shows last year.

  51. DYD INDA WUL August 14th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Really cool how you guys settled the off-topic conversation issue!

  52. Rich in NJ August 14th, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    Betsy

    Dusty Baker makes what Torre did to Proctor seem trivial.

  53. Mike in Chicago August 14th, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    # Bronx Jeers August 14th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    Funny but that whole discussion started with a photo of an old Native American woman.

    Off-topic’s fine when it’s early and everbody’s still rubbing the sand form their eyes but now it’s time to get back to more important matters. Like Yankee world domination!

    ———–

    I’ll just say that I appreciate the fact that the blog regulars seem like a really intelligent, dynamic group who care about important topics. Clearly, passion is not just limited to baseball, and it was nice to read the different thread of conversation for a change.

  54. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    MTU, I have no problem with OT issues, but, at least you know when to let it die a natural death instead of hooking it up to life support (dragging it from one page to the other).

  55. Betsy August 14th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Rich, I find that funny (well, not so funny), too………The thing that short circuits their comebacks, though (many of which games are still in reach) are the extremely poor at bats they have with RISP. Games like last night are simply all too common. I’d rather have better SP and a weaker pen than vice versa, but such is the hand we’ve been dealt.

    I’m not that familiar with how Dusty treated these guys, but his rep is awful.

  56. Rich in NJ August 14th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    .263 .360 .432 .792

    That’s 6th in the AL in AVG.

    4th in the AL in OBP.

    4th in the AL SLG.

    3rd in the AL in OPS.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/t.....order/true

    So they aren’t awful, but perhaps if you broke in down player by player you would see a lot of variability which skews perceptions.

  57. MTU August 14th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    GB-

    OK. Just wanted to be sure I was keepin’ it in the road.

    I get kind of exuberhant at times as you know by now.

    There are some baseball purists come here to talk baseball only.

    It’s there right to expect that the topics are not all over the map.

    I am polytopical by nature. And no, that doesn’t mean I have more than one Wife. I’m lucky the one I have puts up with me as is.

    If what I try offer isn’t relevant just do me a favor and give me a gentle nudge in the right direction (not off a cliff). :)

  58. Rich in NJ August 14th, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    That’s with RISP, btw.

  59. CR9 August 14th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Bret

    I see what you mean – controversial opinions. I see what you are saying, with the dangerous chemicals such as formaldehyde and the like being in vaccines, but that was supposedly disproven.

    In essence, with Jenny McCarthy lobbying against vaccines, she is actually doing more harm than good.

  60. Doreen August 14th, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    It got late early here this morning. I ran off with the topic too and apologize, too.

  61. CR9 August 14th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Doreen

    Sorry to hear about your children. I dont believe this, but maybe God blessed you with your children because he knew you’d be up to the challenge.

  62. MTU August 14th, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Is it still safe for me to post some photos from time to time, especially if they are part of my tribute to Phil ? :)

  63. Rich in NJ August 14th, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    We need a sub-forum for off topic stuff……………..

  64. Cashmoney August 14th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    @Rich , if you sort that number using the month of August , it is much uglier basically coincide with facing better pitchers and better teams.

  65. BronxBorn August 14th, 2010 at 12:54 pm

    MTU, et al, one of the things that makes this blog wonderful is that we do get to know each other. It makes it much more interesting than just listening to statheads rattle. I don’t mind the extra curricular discourse. I have enjoyed getting to know some of you on the blog and off as we have become friends. I enjoy MTU’s photos and GB’s discourse on his ummm stalking nurse and Erica’s pretend BF’s. You all become more real in my eyes so I think it is good. But yes baseball is the central focus as it should be.. that’s my two cents.

  66. MTU August 14th, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Rich-

    Lot’s of times when I go off topic I preface the post with the words “off topic” so people can flag it right away and move on to other things.

  67. Rich in NJ August 14th, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    Cashmoney

    Do you think that the August split is more representative of their true talent?

    If there is an issue, I think it’s because Posada, A-Rod, and maybe Gardner could be experiencing reduced production because of the effects of lingering injuries. I see injuries at the team’s biggest threat going forward.

  68. m August 14th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    I don’t mind that it went off-topic. I just didn’t think that someone should try to convince Doreen that she’s wrong about her personal beliefs.

  69. Rich in NJ August 14th, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    MTU

    Personally, I don’t mind off topic posts. In general terms (nothing to do with you), if they’re interesting, I read them, if they aren’t, I just scroll down.

  70. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    MTU August 14th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
    GB-

    OK. Just wanted to be sure I was keepin’ it in the road.

    I get kind of exuberhant at times as you know by now.

    There are some baseball purists come here to talk baseball only.

    It’s there right to expect that the topics are not all over the map.

    I am polytopical by nature. And no, that doesn’t mean I have more than one Wife. I’m lucky the one I have puts up with me as is.

    If what I try offer isn’t relevant just do me a favor and give me a gentle nudge in the right direction (not off a cliff).

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    Everybody goes off topic on here and that’s not an issue. Most of them are confined to the running jokes, from my typos and the twins, to Muppets (sorry for calling them jokes E & E), to your dustmops, to ragging on Randy and his golf games, to sharing video and music clips, and on and on. None of them end up jumping from page to page with walls of nonsensical text like that….now that Dave The Mortician is gone. a lot of fun info gets passed this pay. Others tend to stop that flow because you have to dig through the trash to find it. In many ways, that’s as bad as digging through troll trash.

  71. MTU August 14th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Bronx-

    Yeah. That’s pretty much my take too. I really enjoy the playful interchanges, humor, and other aspects as well as the highly knowledgeable posts of the baseball purists. I learn a lot and have fun doing so, and every blue moon I actually something baseball related that impresses someone. Even I get lucky. :)

  72. Cashmoney August 14th, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    Rich
    I think part of it is as you said injuries induced, other variables are poor ABs with RISP ( those are the moments i miss Damon and Matsui the most.) Also, my theory is when you have less power, scoring runs becomes even more dependent the circular flows of your lineup. with injuries, guy like Pena and Cervelli’s persistent presence in the lineup has definitely hurt that.
    of course, you chalk up to the superior competition we have faced last couple weeks as well.
    so , in summation, I think there is confluence of factor that lead to a fall off in offense.

  73. MTU August 14th, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    GB-

    Between you, Maine, and many others I spend a good part of the day sometimes bandaging my sides because they hurt so much from laughing so hard. I hope I contribute a little to that. :)

  74. MTU August 14th, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    “actually say”. Woo Hoo. The Typo champ rules. :)

  75. Betsy August 14th, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Damon has 37 RBI’s this year…….I doubt he’d be making a real difference with this lineup

  76. Bronx Jeers August 14th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    MTU,

    If you ever see that woman again be sure to tell her how influential her image is.

    And as far as off-topic goes, I feel our foray was well above average. I recall a day last season where we spent a couple of hours discussing various toppings for french fries.

    And I believe that Yanks broke out of a little losing streak that night. If Phil does something special tonight we’re definitely re-visiting the Mayans. :wink:

  77. GreenBeret7 August 14th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    MTU, nothing beats laughing at the humor that floats in and out of here. Some of the little zingers that people toss out there are classics. I can’t include you in that, because you’re just sick.

    Just keep doing what you’re doing. Everybody loves the photos you post because you get to see things that others don’t have a chance to.

  78. Cashmoney August 14th, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    oh just to clarify about Damon and Matsui with RISP, it doesn’t mean I think they drove in runners at the better clip than their current replacement ( which they prolly did consider last year’s numbers and damon’s power spike) I mean day in and day out professional and quality ABs in those situations.

  79. Rich in NJ August 14th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    Cashmoney

    I wanted Damon back (but it seems he wouldn’t re-sign for a reasonable amount). I thought it was time to move on from Matsui. And truth be told, I wanted Nick Johnson (my bad).

    But this season with RISP:

    Matsui: .260 .322 .430 .752

    Damon: .188 .301 .292 .593

    I would call Montero up, but it doesn’t matter what I think.

  80. BumKnee August 14th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    After reading the article, my question is–where was Joba’s pride in April, May, June and July? I’m guessing he loses it again in September and October. The excuse he then provides will rival the other dumb things he always says.

  81. MTU August 14th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Bronx-

    That’s for certain. Revisit and expand if phil wins. You’re humor is a delight my Man.

    GB-

    “I can’t include you in that, because you’re just sick.”

    You flatterer. That’s one of the nicest compliments I’ve been paid in quite some time. You made my day. :)

  82. Cashmoney August 14th, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    yeah, those numbers aren’t great. without getting into too much detail I think Damon definitely has been effected with the stadium changes and perhaps hitting behind a less potent lineup.

    I would still take Matsui over any his replacements in a big spot. Nick Johnson was a gamble, Cashman lost , that’s pretty much it.

    if Montero represents a big upgrade from Cervelli , then a resounding Yes, but I am quite sure he is ready to catch or hit ML pitching.

  83. Tom in N.J. August 14th, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Per Yahoo: “Ben Gamel was a 10th-round selection of the Yankees and signed with the organization for $500,000, though the deal hasn’t officially been announced”

    Per BA: “New York’s most recent above-slot bonus went to ninth-rounder Taylor Morton, who signed for $450,000, three times the commissioner’s office-recommended maximum for choices after the fifth round.”

    It looks like the Yanks have signed 9 of their top 10 picks this year, many to above-slot deals.

  84. Cashmoney August 14th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    I am not quite sure he is, my bad.

  85. Cashmoney August 14th, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Ben Gamel’s only plus tool seem to be hitting w/o power, I think he is the only guy I kinda think Yanks overpaid slot wise.

  86. Rich in NJ August 14th, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    “…I think Damon definitely has been effected with the stadium …”

    I agree. I think both he and Boras failed to consider how his 2011 salary would have been enhanced by taking less to play at NYS in 2010.

    “if Montero represents a big upgrade from Cervelli , then a resounding Yes, but I am quite sure he is ready to catch or hit ML pitching.”

    Both Posada and Cervelli have been pretty bad behind the plate.
    ____

    I don’t care how much the Yankees pay overslot. I would rather invest money in the draft than in marginal veterans.

  87. Cashmoney August 14th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    I don’t care how much the Yankees pay overslot. I would rather invest money in the draft than in marginal veterans.
    —————————————————-
    completely agree, i rather take a shot with unknown with upsides than marginal.

  88. SAS August 14th, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    Let me put my 2 cents in here. I found the conversation fascinating this morning and thank you for it. There was no one on here who had baseball issues to discuss at the time. It is good to know that there are super bright people who are learned in other areas….and get to know them as someone said before. Thanks for your interesting commentary.

    M7 computer went out last night because I hit some key that I had no idea I had done or what I did so I missed the conversation on our unfortunate loss IMO due to Mother Nature.

    Onward and upward…Hopefully today’s game will make up for last night’s.

  89. RMS August 14th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    Brett

    There have been times when people go off topic. You certainly should not be singled out for it. Maybe some of your views are not agreed with. People should just scroll by instead of criticizing.

    Mtu

    I enjoy your photos. You post a link to see them, so I don’t see anyone having a problem with you.

  90. matzcrorkz August 6th, 2014 at 2:13 am

    E7zXWD This is one awesome blog.Much thanks again. Much obliged.

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