A-Rod/Swisher injury updates, Yankees vs. Tigers
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Aug 16, 2010 
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Update, 7:12: Nice reception for Johnny Damon, as expected. And deserved.
Update, 7:16: Tough at-bat Damon, but he ends up lining softly back to Javier Vazquez.
Update, 7:32: Can’t blame Vazquez’s diminished fastball for that two-run shot to the left-field seats by Ryan Raburn here in the second. He hit a breaking ball.
Update, 7:47: Good job by Vazquez to leave the bases loaded. But I believe he’s thrown 60 pitches in two innings.
Update, 7:39: The Yankees are alarmed over Vazquez struggling here. Sergio Mitre is warming.
Update, 7:42: It has started to rain again. Fans are fleeing for cover.
Update, 8:21: Max Scherzer has held the Yankees to no runs and one hit through three. They have this habit of struggling whenever they see a pitcher for the first time.
Update, 8:29: Vazquez is at 100 pitches with two outs in the fourth.
Update, 8:33: So what do we make of this start? Two runs, five hits, four walks, four innings, 106 pitches. We’ll see if Vazquez comes out for the fifth.
Update, 8:48: No runs and one hit through four for the Yankees. And Vazquez is done. Mitre is on for the fifth.
Update, 8:49: Something’s up with A-Rod. Ramiro Pena is playing third.
Update, 8:52: The streak is over. That throw from Derek Jeter that pulled Mark Teixeira off the bag snapped his career-best streak of 52 games without an error.
Update, 9:23: Finally, a second hit, by Jeter with one out here in the sixth. Maybe there’s something up with Swisher now. Austin Kearns is pinch hitting.
Update, 9:28: Scherzer just threw that 97 mph by Mark Teixeira to end the sixth, but he has thrown 114 pitches, so he should be done with a line of no runs and two hits, with 6 Ks and two walks.
Update, 9:40: Scherzer is indeed done, although it was 115 pitches. Phil Coke will face his former team in the seventh.
Update, 9:47: A-Rod left with a tight left calf and is day to day. Swisher left with tightness in his right forearm and is day to day. No tests are scheduled for either player. In a positive note for the Yankees, Curtis Granderson just got a double off a lefty, Coke. So it’s second and third, two outs. Ryan Perry is coming in to face Francisco Cervelli.
Update, 9:52: Cervelli was so productive the first two months of the season. But he has tailed off badly since. Grounder to short, inning over.
Update, 10:13: Rays win, 6-4, over the Rangers. So the Yankees will drop into a tie for first if they lose.
Update, 10:16: Jose Valverde is coming in to try for a four-out save.
Update, 10:22: Marcus Thames will bat for Pena with two on and two out. Wonder if Thames will have to play third in the ninth. That didn’t go so well last time.
Update, 10:26: Thames grounded out. Now Cervelli will play third. Jorge Posada will move from DH to catcher. Joba will pitch the ninth.
Update, 10:33: A relapse for Joba. Solo shot for Miguel Cabrera, No. 28.
Update, 10:49: Bases loaded, one out for Brett Gardner. Valverde is struggling with his control.
Update, 11:01: Yankees lose 3-1.
Nice little cut fastball (I think) there to Cabrera. Javy has a little better zip tonight maybe.
A lot of long at bats, but, ending with good results. Needs a few fast innings, though.
split again or Yanks can show they can win a big series over a good team?
jeter use to never argue with an ump, with age, that has changed…
i like Jeter’s approach , they need to make this guy work.
Big strike zone. Hope it goes both ways.
why doesnt tex just go away with the pitch?
In response to the posts from the prior thread:
CB/Tyler, Ok perhaps Pelfrey should be better than he is – or at least more consistent, but there are younger pitchers out there like Latos and Cahill that are putting up ridiculous #s. If Phil is inexperienced (and I don’t see how he is, at least in the minors), then what does that make them?
The Yanks better be ready to swing the bats tonight. This ump is obviously going to call anything close to the corner a strike.
Here we go already with Vazquez
why am i not shocked?
Hanger.
Here we go with Vazquez and his crap pitches. His stuff is garbage.
Thanks Javy.
Yankees offense and javy spinning their wheels
Hey guys,
John and Suyzan made it sound like one of the managers were ejected from the game. What went down?
crappola maximus
Suzyn said that Johnny didn’t want to leave NY. Really?
Just horrible pitching again by Vazquez.
With a dead offense, this becomes a huge deficit.
May be time to get him out of the rotation and call up Nova.
The guy is just a BP pitcher right now.
In a pennant race, they can’t afford to keep running him out there. It hurts the team.
Down 2-0 against a pitcher we’ve never seen before. This game is already lost.
It’s time to put Vazquez on the dl and call up Nova. Throwing 88 mph straight fasbtalls and garbage off speed pitches isn’t going to help this team.
He’s toast………………
Don’t like where this is headed.
3-0 to a 219 hitter with Vaz rep control. Failed!
it is really painful watching Vazquez pitch, he has no confidence in his stuff and that, more than anything else, is the reason he is getting pounded. I don’t know what the solution is other than put someone else in the rotation but with Pettitte out there really aren’t many options other than bring someone up from Scranton.
The yanks need to bring up Nova or Sanchez. Javy’s arm is shot.
In the Post, it said the Yankees don’t want to bring up Nova because of roster issues…………..who cares about roster issues at this point?
cs in la August 16th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Suzyn said that Johnny didn’t want to leave NY. Really?
If he wanted to stay he sure had a funny way of showing it… I miss him though
Scherzer has given up 14 runs period in his last 10 starts.
javy got lucky on this
Dead arm and dead from the neck up Cervelli. What a pair to root for.
Game is on the brink here javy might blow up
Don’t hold your breath waiting for Nova or Montero to be called up…
Dangerously close to ending the game in the second with a 3r hr to a guy whose hitting with close to 0 power this year. Javy has to bear down against Damon right now or it could get ugly.
Here we go again with Vazquez. Please Andy get healthy because this scrub absolutely cannot start in the playoffs
Yankees making the Tigers look legit again
Just as they did when they lost 3 of 4 to these losers
Tough out here in Damon. Can’t let him feast on the short porch
He’s got nothing. Get him out of there and go to Gaudin or Mitre.
DL him for his dead arm and move on. The negatives of having a dead offense is your starting pitching has to be really good.
If the pitchers continue to put the team in early deficits, the offense isn’t good enough to come back.
It’s why they can’t afford to keep running Vazquez out there.
I’d rather watch Nova go 5 than Javy.
Vazquez is not a receipe for success right now. When you are throwing 88, pitches having nothing on them and nibbling you are going to get tattooed every start. The Tigers lineup isn’t even good and his stuff can’t even get them out. Every time he takes the mound it’s going to be a loss.
Yeah if you want a ” personal catcher” then pitch better
Javy approaching 50 pitches in 2 innings.
Wow… that was close
SJ44 August 16th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
He’s got nothing. Get him out of there and go to Gaudin or Mitre.
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Joe won’t be satisfied til he gives up another bomb.
SJ44 -
I think in my gut this will be the last time they do it.
SJ44 -
I think in my gut this will be the last time they do it.
Game is on the brink
He’s already at 51 pitches. Time to get Mitre or Gaudin up. He’s not long for this game.
Javy give up your classic yankee stadium GS
If you DL Javy, you can make a roster move.
Looks like it’s coming to that now.
Get meat-tray up in the pen.
Javier Vazquez is a useless worm. Add him starting to a pathetic lineup that looks to be in the midst of its 193rd team slump of the season and this one is not looking good.
Javy through some descent pitches in the first inning but his stuff is just so diminished that he can’t sustain any amount of success because his location has to be so perfect. He’s scared to death he’s going to miss in the middle of the plate.
Good thing Cash signed Johnson over Damon.
Get Mitre up in the bullpen now instead of waiting until Vazquez puts up a 5 spot.
Dearest Javy Vasquez,
Please stop messing around. Its time to get the third out. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Sincerely Yours,
Erica
Free Ivan Nova or Phelps, dunno who is better , but can’t be worse than Javy right now.
officially Posada becomes the backup catcher or what? cisco sucks, so does Javy.
What are you going to do??? Just can’t take a starter out in the second inning, but If you don’t you give the game away
If there wasn’t good feeling about using Mitre or Gaudin with Javy’s “dead arm” why not bring up Ivan Nova ?
Geno with some TV Time
All I can say is, barring some miracle turnaround tonight, the yanks are nuts if they give this guy another start
Rain!!!
Could Igawa be worse than Javy??.
here comes the rain delay!
Hopefully they have to stop the game so the Tigers lose their rookie starter and the Yanks lose Vazquez.
just put javy on the DL and get Nova up.
DocTodd August 16th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Could Igawa be worse than Javy??.
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Yes
Javy looks like Mussina 2007 out on the mound.
The fastball is gone and he doesn’t know what to do without it.
The guy has nothing.
You keep running him out there, I don’t see how it helps anybody.
You don’t have to know a lot about baseball to know that if your starting pitcher has a dead arm, that ain’t a good thing.
Damon left because of damon, he demanded way too much money and years, he ended up taking less than the yanks offered… They offered fair market value he said no
I’m trying to remember watching a starting pitcher look as bad as Vazquez has in his last two starts. Other than Kei Igawa it’s really difficult…
Captain Clutch August 16th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Hopefully they have to stop the game so the Tigers lose their rookie starter and the Yanks lose Vazquez.
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Personally speaking, I am really tired of this “Yankees don’t hit guys they have never seen before” nonsense
It ends tonight.
Erica has spoken!
# Erica in NY August 16th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
DocTodd August 16th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
Could Igawa be worse than Javy??.
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Yes
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maybe, Igawa got cool shades conveys an aura of mystery!
walk him
Some of this is on Cervelli. His game calling is terrible to begin with.
Nibbling isn’t going to help. We saw this against Molina.
I have no confidence that the Yankees will bring Nova up – they’ve stuck with Javy this long, they will continue to stick with him. They don’t want to have any roster issues…………..sheesh
I would rather see Erica pitch than igawa, he walks in a run here
60 pitches in two innings?? Are you serious? Whens the last time yankee hitters had a opp pitcher with 60 pitches in 2innings?
Well the Yankees keep running him out there, so they are either clueless……….or they’re clueless
“I’m trying to remember watching a starting pitcher look as bad as Vazquez has in his last two starts. Other than Kei Igawa it’s really difficult…”
The memories of Chien Ming Wang 2009 have mercifully faded, haven’t they.
Ken Phelps August 16th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
Damon left because of damon, he demanded way too much money and years, he ended up taking less than the yanks offered… They offered fair market value he said no
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The problem is Fair Market Value is highly subjective.
In the world of accounting and FASB 157, that would be a level 3 classification.
How does the up not ring him up on that.
How does the up not ring him up on that.
How can this be on Cervelli? Vazquez basically has nothing to get a major league hitter out, it doesn’t matter what he calls if the pitches don’t have any movement.
60 pitches hahaha
What a joke
The Tigers got that called a strike
Joe G. looks disfusted
Ken Phelps August 16th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
I would rather see Erica pitch than igawa, he walks in a run here
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Trust me…. I throw like a girl
WOW! now we’re getting jerked around with the ump!
Get Nova up here and DL this scrub.
Boy Cash has bad luck…………the guy lost his stuff overnight, in one season; how is that possible?
i cannot imagine how bad the booing is going to be when javy leaves the mound.
That was a strike to Swish…Javy has to get that pitch to be successful.
Well he livs to see the 3rd
The Yankees have really been frustrating for a month. At least football starts in 13 minutes.
got lucky here, but Javy got 60 pitches. LOL
only 2 innings. he sucks!
Through 2 innings on an economical 60 pitches……..
It has nothing to do with gamecalling.
The guy has no pitch to get anybody out.
Nothing the catcher can do.
The starter has a dead arm and no belief in any of his pitches.
That’s not on the catcher.
Maybe more than anyone here, I wanted Javy to do well. He’s not. With the Rays a game away from them, it’s “getting late early around here,” and the Yankees cannot afford a questionable start every five days (and I’m being kind because I can’t be otherwise).
Thank heavens for that (K), but, man, this can’t go on. If they had the guts to pull Joba out of the 8th, they will have the guts to make a move and put Javy on the DL.
All in all…. that could have been much, much worse
CB August 16th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
“I’m trying to remember watching a starting pitcher look as bad as Vazquez has in his last two starts. Other than Kei Igawa it’s really difficult…”
The memories of Chien Ming Wang 2009 have mercifully faded, haven’t they.
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you’re right, CB, I’ve wiped that out of my mind…
he got out of that disaster. do not put huim out there for another round..
1-3 series lose to Tigers
Pretty much a miracle he got out of that with only 2 runs.
We need to start swinging the darn bats now.
The Yankees offense needs to step up. Max is talented but inexperienced. They need to at leasr wait him out and prove he’s gonna throw strikes. Grind out some at bats and try to get some ppl on base and make him work.
1-2-3 out for Yankees.
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS
And it could always be worse….
You could be a Mets fan
K-Rod injured his ligaments beating up his father in law and is done for the season.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/20.....-ligament/
Sherman was right about this rotation; the pen may have to carry them. Javy for another month and a half? That’s going to be brutal.
Vazquez is looking about as bad as Joe Frazier against George Foreman tonight…
Mitre should start the 3rd inning or after 1 baserunner gets on then take him out immediately. Knowing Girardi he will have Vazquez start and he will give up 3-4 runs and then the game will be over. He has to get him out of there while the team still has a chance.
“Some of this is on Cervelli. His game calling is terrible to begin with.”
Things really have come full circle haven’t they.
Last year Cervelli was making the pitchers throw better. Now he’s the problem.
enough with the ex-yankee experiments.. i hope cash doesn’t sign jeff weaver next year
Javy’s goose is cooked.
That SOB is costing us draft picks because there’s no way they offer him arbitration with this ongoing implosion.
Disgusting, really.
no matter how bad javy is now, the offense still has to hit to win.
This was not an experiment; there was no way Cash could have forseen this.
As it turns out, they desperately needed Lee…………
How many more times will they throw Javy out there?
I mean, DL him already and put him out of his misery. He is done, at least for this seasson.
Throw Mitre. He did the job last year.
I just don’t get it.
I would pray for a downpour to, at least , get him out of this game.
I know when Andy gets back , Javy’s career as a Yankee will be over, Moseley will have his job.
As for the playoffs, he will not get an invite.
JobaTipsHisCap August 16th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
1-3 series lose to Tigers
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then come back on Friday, dummy
blame cervelli? javy is javy. last week itwas posada and he still sucked. Joe Mauer couldnt fix this.
3k’s for Sure ZA!
Hopefully it doesn’t take the Yanks 8 innings to figure out Scherzer.
Can’t anyone work a walk? Cano swings 2-0 at a pitch near his shoulder.
Look, Javy is not pitching well, and there’s no way to talk around that. But stop talking about him like he’s less of a person; he has been nothing but a gentleman and nothing but upfront with the media. Criticize his pitching by all means. Criticize him as a person – please don’t.
There’s 15 days until rosters can be expanded. Andy won’t be back for at least another 10 days. Vazquez and Mosely are iffy. The offense is collectively sluggish.
Something has to give.
in the mean time, jeter, swisher and arod all struck out.
Scherzer is a pretty good pitcher
14 runs in last 10 starts is a pretty good barometer, i am hoping we make this guy work and scratch a run here and there.
This lineup doesn’t stand a chance ton
scherzer is getting the outside call. javy wasnt.
I am starting to get extremely annoyed; opposing pitchers seem to get every close pitch that Yankees pitchers do not.
Scherzer has given up 24 runs in his last 14 starts, at least get the stats correct.
hahaha. wow. this ump sucks.
unreal!
yeah, that’s 1-2-3
AT some point this team is going to have to hit – even good pitchers. If they don’t, they are going to struggle. I don’t mean they have to bomb good pitchers, but these poor at bats have to stop.
That was an awful, awful inning, again.
Did the Yankees all of a sudden ALL get old after the ASB?
Cashman knew this team needed Lee. That’s why he tried to give up Montero
The loss of Andy has really effected this team.
Just the fact that they keep throwing Javy out there until Andy gets back and then decide on Javy or Moseley.
Counting the days until posadas contract is up
Fopr a starter to give up two runs, that’s not bad. You have to expect your hitters to get you more than that.
However, with Vaz, especially with this dead arm business, the risk is giving up a lot more than two runs, more than you can reasonably expect your hitters to get back.
Vaz, lately and again tonight, doesn’t look like he’s going to get it done. I’m not saying that anyone else, whether it’s Gaudin, Mitre, or Ivan Nova is going to be lights out, but you have to try something else. It’s at that point with Vaz. I know Joe wants to show loyalty to his players, but even the players have to recognize that Vaz ain’t got it.
“I am starting to get extremely annoyed; opposing pitchers seem to get every close pitch that Yankees pitchers do not.”
I wonder why?!
“K-Rod injured his ligaments beating up his father in law and is done for the season. ”
If the Mets were a reputable organization, they would cut him loose. Instead, they’ll bring him back next year as if nothing happened.
If George Steinbrenner were still around, this wouldn’t be going on. Hal should start ripping people to the press. Wake these guys up.
Betsy
Swish and Jeter both got cheated out of an AB with cheap strikes.
On the SAME SAME SAME SAME SAMe strike that Javier did not get on 2-2 to Brennan Boesch.
AT some point this team is going to have to hit – even good pitchers. If they don’t, they are going to struggle. I don’t mean they have to bomb good pitchers, but these poor at bats have to stop.
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Did anyone notice Damon’s 10 pitch AB in the 1st.
That took the starch out of Javy.
When was the last time we had an AB like that?
That’s another reason why Damon was so valuable.
Johnny was saying,”That’s what you’re missing.”
Javy really pushing the ball to try and get something behind it.
stop with the cheating crap, you bring the board down with it.
Pitching duel in TB. My money’s on Lee.
No chance for this offense again tonight.
They are going to have to find at least 3, maybe as many as 5 bats in the off-season.
The offense droughts are just too long for this team these days.
Too many below average pitchers dominate this lineup and the deep freezes last too long.
It’s why there can be no margin for error with the starters.
Early deficits like tonight kill you when your offense is in deep freeze.
should have let javy leave on a good note. he wont make it through the 3rd and he is going to hear it on the way off.
And Im not saying that calls dont go against the Red Sox.
To be perfectly honest, I have seen more calls go against the Red Sox this year than ever before.
Perhaps it’s the umpires cheating both the Yankees and Red Sox in defense of Joe West.
What makes it SO SICKENING is that they do it on HOPE WEEK too. This week is supposed to be for the kids, and umpires cant put aside their bias for that either.
@MG
14 ER in 10 starts is what MLB.com has Scherzer listed .
Not again with the “if George were here”………….when he pulled that crap in the 80′s and early 90′s, I hated it. You don’t think these guys want to do well? They’re trying – they’re just incapable right now. The man has died – let him RIP.
thank god texas has lee going against tampa tonight.
This team is not hitting, anybody, and until that changes they are in trouble.
Stop with the moronic umpire nonsense.
The umpire has had zero impact on the game.
It is only the second inning the offense can get it going.. Javy not so much
oh damn! send Joba!
I’ll bring the board down with it as long umpires continue to bring the Yankees with it! And a bad luck squibber by Guillen.
Make the Move JOE
SJ, that’s just a tad extreme, lol. Who exactly do you want to replace? Jeter? Alex? Cano? Tex? Swish? 5 bats? Wow.
TAKE HIM OUT!
Please put me out of misery take this ragarm out. 70 pitches w/no out in th 3rd
Hello Girardi are you there??? This game is going to get out of hand very quickly. I feel bad for Vaquez he is basically on the mound naked.
This guy is throwing 89 to 88 mph fastballs …
I bet the Tiger hitters are knocking each other over to get to the plate.
SJ
You’ll see them after the game. Ask Javy what he felt after the 2-2 pitch to Boesch. And then ask Jeter and Swisher about the strike 3′s they received. It’s tough for Javy to pitch well when he essentially has to throw the ball right down the middle to get a strike called.
Cashmoney August 16th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
@MG
14 ER in 10 starts is what MLB.com has Scherzer listed .
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add them up, it’s 24:
http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2010
im usually not for pulling pitchers early, but this is getting ridiculous.
Gotta get somebody up….can’t let this go on much longer. 2 runs is manageable….it could get to 5 or 6 in a hurry here if they aren’t careful.
I’ll bring the board down with it
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That is the definitive troll statement.
Scary, scary. The Yankees look dead. Let’s hope that this is a slump before they get hot. Hope.
This sounds like 2008 all over again….What FA should we pursue now? You can’t replace Alex – if he’s done, he’s done. Tex? Can’t do anything about him. Swish? He’s been bad lately – replace him? The Yankees don’t have any flexibility………….
CR9 August 16th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
SJ
You’ll see them after the game. Ask Javy what he felt after the 2-2 pitch to Boesch. And then ask Jeter and Swisher about the strike 3’s they received. It’s tough for Javy to pitch well when he essentially has to throw the ball right down the middle to get a strike called.
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CR, give this up, Vazquez has nothing out there and is deservedly getting hammered, it has nothing to do with the umpiring.
Say what you will about Javy, but where is the offense? Are these guys going to show? Jeter? Tex? Arod? Swisher? Pathetic. Two runs from Javy wouldn’t be an issue if all the players you voted as “all stars” actually hit like all stars.
72 pitches thru 2.1 ip
Javier looks like he’s pitching batting practice. Thank god for the foul pole.
Really, why isn’t he on the DL?
Where is Cashman?
So do we burn the pen again? I mean, that’s what we’ll do if we take him out now…………
Go ….. yourself mick. You — as a Yankees “fan” – should be more concerned with our team getting stuck behind the 8 ball by the umpires than the comments of an anonymous poster.
Hang city. He has nothing
this is javy last inning!
If Andy is back by Sept. 1 or not, we can’t afford 2 more starts out of this guy.
Have mercy.
C, DH, at least 1 OF spot, maybe 2, and at least 2 bench bats.
That’s 5-6 bats. That’s what is needed this off-season.
Too many dead spots in this lineup which leads to these team slumps.
Why Vazquez is still out there at this point is a mystery.
How fast can Mitre get warm?
good play, Cano!
CR9 August 16th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
I’ll bring the board down with it as long umpires continue to bring the Yankees with it! And a bad luck squibber by Guillen.
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Comments like this… Confusing
these half innings are brutal.
MG
He has nothing out there because he’s tired. Why is he tired? Because he’s thrown 71 pitches in 2 innings. Why has he thrown 71 pitches in 2 innings? Because he has to throw balls right down the middle to get strikes, and the Tigers have fouled of 30 pitches so far.
C’mon everyone – I cant believe you all are thinking about replacing 5 bats in the off season. We have the bats. Just last week, we were all thrilled with everyone. Give it a rest.
# MG August 16th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Cashmoney August 16th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
@MG
14 ER in 10 starts is what MLB.com has Scherzer listed .
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add them up, it’s 24:
http://www.baseball-reference&.....;year=2010
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it adds to 14 runs in last 10 STARTS!
Mitre or Gaudin better get heated up. Javy won’t see another inning.
Javy with the change up to 2b but Robbie still has to make that play.
Dead. Arm.
I disagree. This team DOES need to be called out right now. Too talented to play like this.
God bless Paul O’Neil’s optimism.
The umpires are umping for both teams.
Enough with your paranoid cheating nonsense troll.
I dont care. Ill continue posting it so long as it happens. Hopefully this dirtbag HP umpire calls it fairly and I wont have to.
WHERE WAS THAT PITCH???????????????????????????? Same location as strike 3 to Jeter.
he is behind every batter.
Wait, so you want to get rid of Granderson ( I assume you don’t want to dump Swish or Gardner) already?
C? What are you doing with Posada?
How do you fix the bench? What good player wants to come here to ride the pine?
The umpire crying is moronic.
The guy has nothing tonight.
That’s not the umpire’s problem.
When you aren’t around the plate, you aren’t getting calls.
That’s the way it goes.
Vazquez is lucky he has only given up 2 runs already. He has hung 1 million pitches already.
Another borderline pitch that dont go our way.
When Andy returns, we have to pray that he’s healthy, otherwise we are in BIG, BIG trouble.
or, just let Javy pitch a complete game no matter what the score is.
Like Joe Torre handled Proctor.
Cheating umps, are you serious.
Then again you should know about cheating.
2004 redux.
Javys starts r worse to watch than Jobas 3 inn starts from last yr
a guy with dead arm over 80 pitches in the 3rd?
Thanks ump!
BATS
Yes! A cheap strike 3 call to take Javy out of the inning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the Tigers have the audacity to argue!
There are that many dead spots because everyone is having bad years………and those who aren’t have slumped at the wrong time (Cano, Swish). Jeter might be an issue if he’s on the decline and Alex surely is an issue- but nothing can be done about them. Tex is very good, but I never thought he was great …………he takes too many months off offensively.
They might be crap, but they aren’t cheating.
That looked like a ball.
K u can rly shut up about the ump now, that was an awful call in javys favor
89 mph gas
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There aren’t 5 bats you can replace in that lineup. Jeter? Swisher? Tex? ARod? Cano? Posada? The rest are maybes: Grandy, Gardner, DH-du jours?
Everyone else is a backup anyway.
wow. he is really walking the tight rope here.
That was pure gift for Javy.
That was pure gift for Javy.
Javy for 9!
Any thoughts on what bats the Yankees might persue for next year?
Are the yankees really being no hit right now?
Oy.
Well, you gotta hand it to him, even with 86 mph fastballs, he’s able to survive another inning.
Yankees bats have 0 hits, that’s right ladies and gentleman, 0 hits.
Hella pitches thrown by Javy. Hella.
1 more inning maybe?
Please. I beg u people to stop crying about the umps. It’s not the umps fault Javy stinks n belongs in the NL.
If Vaz gets out of this, he’s lucky. 80 pitches thru 3, and only two runs, would speak to the Tigers’ offensive woes.
SJ, so you’re supporting Cash sign Carl Crawford? Adam Dunn for DH I could go for, and have suggested that.
So is this still the best team in baseball?
Hope week. I’m hoping for a Yankee outburst. Some emotion these guys look DEAD.
Not a strike. low and away.
Yea, I don’t think the Yankees need 5 or probably even 3 bats this winter. Jeter, Swisher, Arod, Cano, Teixera, and probably Gardner aren’t going anywhere. Getting Cervelli’s bat out of the lineup would go a long way towards helping things because its a black hole for the most part. They need a better option to platoon with Posada, they need to get Granderson on track or upgrade from him, and they need a DH. Other than those things, you have to hope the guys you’ve counted on for so long perform the way they can and should.
Nice job by Javy for somehow wiggling out of that. Yanks need to push a couple across here soon.
How did you like that call CR9?
It was at the bill of Peralta’s cap.
That wasn’t a strike.
You cry about the umpires every night. Enough.
Vazquez has a dead arm. He had it coming into the start and that wasn’t caused by umpires.
There are no more bullets left in his arm.
It’s now up to the Yankees as to how long you want to run the guy out there at this point.
I know that Girardi likes to show faith in his guys which is why Vazquez is still in the game but enough is enough already. He has NOTHING. If he leaves him out there eventually the Tigers will put up a crooked number. He has been lucky so far but you can’t keep testing your luck.
Nice piece of hitting Grandy!
I love the Grandy man.
If pettitte doesn’t retire – nobody except Cliff Lee.
CC
AJ
Lee
Pettitte
Hughes
If Pettitte does retire – probably Lilly or someone who can give innings assuming they’ve given up on Joba.
a leadoff single!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Doreen, the Yankees are limited in what they can do. I for one am not ready to give up on Granderson yet………
According to some, the Yankees were set up to be a great team for years. Well, did anyone ever take into account the fact that their old players are getting old? That Tex is streakier than we realized? This team is in serious trouble if Alex is not healthy, Jeter is declining and Jorge is done…
SJ
I loved that call. More calls like that and I wouldn’t cry about umpires. Maybe as long as I cry about umpires, then we’ll receive those cheap calls. (superstition)
Cervelli should bunt here. He can’t hit so at least get the runner over.
83 pitches from Vazquez. Enough said. Skip his next start and call up Nova. DFA Gaudin. Aceves may be back near the time Andy is.
“So is this still the best team in baseball?”
Have you watched Tampa Bay play over the past 10 days?
They’ve been stellar.
Boston also. They played great recently.
This is on Cash, too – if he refuses to bring up Nova. By the way, who’s to say Nova wouldn’t get his head handed to him?
SJ44 -
Normally I agree – if you’re not around the plate, you don’t get the calls.
But often enough for me to get a little cranky about it, Yankees pitchers do not get the same “benefit of the doubt” that even rookie pitchers with no record, so to speak, get.
It’s almost as if the umpires think, well, Javy hasn’t been pitching well, we can’t give him any close pitches. Whether it’s consciously or not. I’m not a whiner. I’m not a person who thinks the league is anti-Yankee, in general. But an awful lot of things seem to be stacked up so that they put the Yankees behind a barrier to start with.
yes the team is struggling….every team does over the course of a long season…but to want to blow up the team in the offseason is just stupid….they still have the best record in baseball, Petite will back back soon,and a few additions like a Cliff Lee and or Carl Crawford should do the trick..
I would think they’d want to rest javy and his dead arm for two weeks at least. Bring up Nova?
I wish the guys on Yes would stop reminding us of how bad a deal the Grandy deal was.
83 pitches through 3. This can’t be good for a dead arm.
Pepitone August 16th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Well, you gotta hand it to him, even with 86 mph fastballs, he’s able to survive another inning.
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It’s just a matter of time.
Clutch, i have no idea what he suppose to do… we are down by 2 runs, i would go hit and run, since cerv prolly can’t catch up to Max’s fb anyway.
“C, DH, at least 1 OF spot, maybe 2, and at least 2 bench bats.
That’s 5-6 bats. That’s what is needed this off-season.
Too many dead spots in this lineup which leads to these team slumps. ”
I realize you have just spent the weekend hanging out with scouts, but, wow, that’s some interesting commentary, SJ.
Joe,
Montero, either Crawford or Werth, Nunez to replace Pena is a start.
That’s 3 bats that are upgrades than what’s here now.
You can find 2 more for the bench as you go along the winter v
With ace & marte close to returning i don’t see nova being brought up even though i would like too see it.
CB, you don’t have to talk me off the ledge – talk SJ off; he’s the one who thinks this team needs a complete overhaul.
I don’t think this team is necessarily the best – and I won’t apologize because I’m saying this on a Yankees board.
Good thing Granderson was running
Have you watched Tampa Bay play over the past 10 days?
They’ve been stellar.
Boston also. They played great recently.
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BWWWWAAAAAHHHHHH!!
CB, I love ya.
Cisco right now is like 1 hit for every 10 AB?
Crying about umpires is weak
Nice hustle Grandy. Wow, a close call went in our favor.
We’re lucky that TB and Boston have been less than stellar lately. The pitching doesn’t have me all that concerned, things will get better with the return on pettitte. Its the offense that has me worried. They seem to scuffle as a team and they’re also very streaky.
why not have Cervy sacrificing?
The Yankees are not dumping Granderson because he’s had a bad year; they already knew he was coming off a bad year………..I’m sure they will invest the time needed to try and fix them.
Nova may get hit hard, but we KNOW javy is getting hit. Can’t hurt to try something else.
heh, good approach by the yanks, we are making this guy work !
Ooh, that was a great comeback by CB, Pepitone – he really shot me down there, lol
I feel like the team needs a big hit to break some of this tension.
“Montero, either Crawford or Werth, Nunez to replace Pena is a start. ”
I’d be all for this and it would certainly be an improvement but can they sign Crawford/Werth (I’d much much rather have Crawford) and still stay within the budget Hal lays out assuming they also sign Cliff Lee? I guess that a question for Hal. Montero and Nunez are in house so that’s not an issue.
Betsy -
I like Granderson, too, and would have put him on the side of the equation of not replacing, but he’s had a bad year, so in this argument, I was wiling to put him on the “maybe” side.
Frankly, there are contracts there that can’t be moved. I think SJ44 is upset and overstating a bit.
Betsy brings up a good point about Nova. I don’t follow Scranton that closely, for all I know Nova’s not pitching well of late, and that’s something Cash is considering.
But, what I do know, is that Vaz isn’t pitching well now, and there’s a pennant race. Time to consider doing something different, whether it’s Nova, Mitre, or Gaudin. Can’t wait for Andy to come back and replace him.
You can’t trust Cash’s judgment with pitchers.
His best move was CC and that was a nobrainer.
He tried to be a genius and out Theo Theo.
AC, that’s fine – I agree………..but I don’t see the Yankees doing it. If Nove does get called up and he gets hit, then what? This rotation is not very good to put it kindly.
Not on the ledge Betsy.
I just don’t get wedded to unproductive players.
The Yankees offense is going to have to get addressed in an aggressive way in the off-season.
If not, they better clone Cliff Lee so they have two of them to be able to win the low scoring games they will be in.
Besty-
What are you talking about?
You asked a question and I answered it.
Great walk Gardy!
Good job Gritter.
if nova fails, we go to Mitre, Gaudin, etc…. Aceves will be back so one of them will have to go anyway..
Cooper at 2nd has been money this innning. Two close calls he got right. But give him time he will kick one he is a terrible ump
“Crying about umpires is weak”
Crying about anything in a 2 run game in the 3rd inning is weak.
yanks need to get that pitch count up and get in Detroit’s pen and hope Javy and bullpen can keep the game within reach.
Cash was right about Pavano, who’s a very good pitcher; the guy was just a bum here.
No one, not anyone, could have forseen this disaster that is Javy; everyone loved the trade. I’m not blaming Cash for this…………
I’ve no interest in Werth or Crawford……
LOL, dp
Thats unacceptably terrible.
Captain DP
wow. when is the last time jeter came through with an important hit?
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With the exception of DH, it sounds like you’re talking about fringe players to replace. It’s the everyday lineup that is not producing right now. Replacement parts are doing about what is expected of them – even you’ve said so, regarding Pena at least.
Nice DP by the Captain
Wow, and I thought the “crying about umpires is weak” was a weak comment. I was set to leave it alone, but an even dumber comment appears.
“Crying about anything in a 2 run game in the 3rd inning is weak.”
It’s not about the score of the game. It’s about the principle of fairness. It could be 10-0 Yankees and I’d still be crying if the umpires cheated us.
2-0, but it feels like 6-0.
CB, you didn’t need to be sarcastic about it.
Ok, whatever, it doesn’t matter if they are the best team or not. The fact is this team is not hitting and they have 1 reliable pitcher until Andy comes back………
Nice DP – not.
Don’t get attached to Grandy. He’s a goner. Crawford will be in LF.
If they choose to, they could find a home for Granderson.
Whether they do it or not is another issue.
The fact is, they aren’t going into next season with the same offensive lineup.
When you look at what they can realistically do to upgrade it, moving Granderson can’t be discounted.
Cliff Lee actually walked a batter….
once again, Capt tip his hat !
I almost want Jeter to retire now so we can retire these pathetic nicknames.
# Betsy August 16th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Ooh, that was a great comeback by CB, Pepitone – he really shot me down there, lol
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Take it easy there Betsy, I wasn’t trying to put you down, and neither was CB.
Just the question about who’s the best team in baseball is funny since who knows who is the best team in baseball right now – it certainly isn’t Tampa or Boston.
Jeter with his usual dp. With risp I would rather have anyone else up at the plate since 99% of the time Jeter hits into a dp. It’s a huge accomplishment when he actually does get the ball out of the infield.
If the Yankees had lost Game 6 of the 2009 World Series – without the extraordinary effort of Hideki Matsui – I wonder what you …… would have blamed the loss on?
Because the Yankees were cheated all game long by HP umpire Joe West. Bottom Line.
Did anyone expect anything other than a DP by the EL Capitan.
Jeter is horrible!!!
This team is an enigma.
Swish and Cano having career years.
It has to be the fault of the others, the lack of hitting by Jeter, Tex, Posada and Alex (not the same hitter even with the rbis).
Gardy and Grandy >Damon and Matsui.
That’s it in a nutshell.
Crying in general is weak for a grown man
I have no interest in giving big $$$ to Carl Crawford…………frankly, we’ve had pretty bad luck with recent signings/trades except for obvious ones like CC and Tex so I would almost rather do nothing.
If the lineup is not going to hit, you absolutely CANNOT afford to keep running garbage players like Cervelli out there.
Cervelli is starting almost 4-5 times a week now. He IS the everyday catcher if he is starting that much, and that is UNACCEPTABLE.
If you are going to start your backup any more than 2 times a week, you need to have someone who can hold his own offensively. You cannot willingly put automatic outs into an American League lineup, it will get you EVERY time.
In 2008 when the Yankees lineup was pretty mediocre, they still had like 5 or 6 all stars in the middle of that order. Except the difference was, they had an automatic out every day in Molina, and it changed the approach of every hitter in the lineup, who knew they had to get it done before it got to Molina or they would not score. That led to a lot of over aggressiveness and bad at bats, just like this season.
So Jeter needs 2 more DPs to break last year’s mark. That’s quite an ugly stat.
The umps don’t cheat when they dont call borderline pitches. Use ur noggin
If Javy gets through 5 giving up 2 runs, he will be hailed as gutsy.
It’s the 6th I’m worried about.
Jeter seems to hit into a lot of those lately. As in this year.
Update, 8:21: Max Scherzer has held the Yankees to no runs and one hit through three. They have this habit of struggling whenever they see a pitcher for the first time.
Is this an understatement???
Ken
So I’m weak, according to Ken and pat! YAY!
So I guess Sir Alex Ferguson, the greatest manager in the history of football, is weak as well!
“I almost want Jeter to retire now so we can retire these pathetic nicknames.”
Says the person who just called Vazquez a disaster.
Pepitone, I just didn’t like the sarcasm………..
I don’t know if there is a best team this year. All these teams are flawed, severely flawed. I don’t follow the NL that well – Pads? Phillies? Braves? Maybe it’s the Rangers or Sox or Twins.
so how about that frankie rodriguez?
If Cervelli is going to start 4 or 5 times a week, you need to call up Montero and get him regular major league at bats, whether as the DH or Catcher. Posada at DH and Cervelli at C may be the weakest possible combination you could run out there offensively, and this lineup cannot afford it.
Jeter hitting into DP is nothing new, that’s the reason joe G flip him and Damon.
That makes absolutely NO sense Pat, but if you like the demeaning nicknames given to Jeter goody for you.
Nice play by Jeter.
Captain Ground Out strikes again. Its pathetic that he’s the lead off batter. Defend him all you want, but he’s ineffective, he stubbornly refuses to change his approach and he has failed time and time again to step up this year and get the big hit to spark “his” team. He’s the biggest disappointment on a team full of disappointing seasons.
jeter has been chanelling his 2007 postseason…
Doreen,
The odds they start next season with the same 3 OF’s gets slimmer by the day, given the availability of either Werth or Crawford in free agency.
DH is an important spot and that has to be upgraded. It’s been a drag on the lineup all year.
Catcher is going to have to be addressed because the odds a 40 year old Posada can hold up over a full season is slim.
If you add additional bench support, those are significant offense upgrades over what they will close the season with this season.
You could accept it if Cervelli was defensively capable, but he has made the most errors in the AL of any catcher, and he isn’t even starting 2/3 of the games!
Getting Cervelli out of the every day lineup is the easiest way to upgrade the offense. Hopefully Montero will progress enough defensively over the winter to catch 1/3 of the games and hopefully Jorge will be healthy enough to catch the rest. I know that’s an optimistic outlook but lets hope.
The lack of hitting against guys they have never seen is weird I mean come on
Schertzer is a good pitcher…………..at least he’s not a bum.
Crawford is one of the best OF’s in the game who would instantly improve this team. While also weakening your rival
SJ – Montero and Nunez, agreed. I’d go with Dunn over Crawford and I’ll tell you why.
Crawford’s game is too much like Gardner’s, and for a lot more money. Dunn would add a lot to DH, and being lefty would go well in the Stadium.
SJ – Montero and Nunez, agreed. I’d go with Dunn over Crawford and I’ll tell you why.
Crawford’s game is too much like Gardner’s, and for a lot more money. Dunn would add a lot to DH, and being lefty would go well in the Stadium.
SJ – Montero and Nunez, agreed. I’d go with Dunn over Crawford and I’ll tell you why.
Crawford’s game is too much like Gardner’s, and for a lot more money. Dunn would add a lot to DH, and being lefty would go well in the Stadium.
SJ – Montero and Nunez, agreed. I’d go with Dunn over Crawford and I’ll tell you why.
Crawford’s game is too much like Gardner’s, and for a lot more money. Dunn would add a lot to DH, and being lefty would go well in the Stadium.
Matt I agree, Cervelli is playing too much and is not doing the job….I got blasted yesterday for saying Posada is practically a part time catcher…
Ace, I don’t want to give big $$$ to a guy whose meal ticket is his legs. Besides, as SJ has said so often, he’s probably going to LA…………….
wow, glitch in the matrix from Joe.
With 40+ games to go, I’m sure jeter will surpass last years mark handily.
tampa got to Lee.
Scherzer is not a bum. He is a good pitcher with a good future. He’s nothing special, though.
Joe, Dunn doesn’t want to be a DH……………I’m not a fan of him anyway.
The Yankees are going to depend on Montero to be a rock for them in the lineup next year? That’s encouraging.
Ivan Nova update :
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=467100
Joe Torre said 2005 playoff failure was worse than 2004.
tell mew why he’s not clueless.
You are not weak, the umpire conspiracy thing…..just played out
I would take Crawford over Dunn (and I like Dunn) for two reasons: 1) Players with speed age better; and 2) This will continue to be a pitching-centric team, and Craw is a great defensive player, while Dunn is awful.
#Joe: tell as what you think. I don’t think we quite got it the first 4 times.
‘me’
They really must think Montero is awful defensively if he’s not here right now.
almost a 1-2-3 inning.
All Damon does is foul pitches off.
Damn he should be batting leadoff here.
We have dropped our patient approach and Jeter is the reason why.
If he did it, Swish would do it.
The question is why isn’t he?
per Montero: or they want to give him the full season in AAA to catch.
Playing mediocre baseball right now
I haven’t watched the game, but I did listen to it in the car. I believe that the Yankees will end up taking the game, and I also think that Javy deserves a lot of credit for gutting this out. If you’re here, Cashman Needs to Go (I think that’s the name), I would call his performance the opposite of gutless.
Now maybe all of you watching it think differently, but it seems like he could have allowed a lot more damage than he did. Anway, GO YANKEES!!!
never mind DPs with Jeter which is by product the way Jeter hits, and the most ground ball he hits. I just haven’t seen him drive the ball with any authority to Right CF gap than he use to.
JETER hits into a lot DPs period, Joe G switch him to leadoff because of that reason.
Pepitone, I just didn’t like the sarcasm………..
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I understand.
However, I think you make a mistake in judging his comment as a reference to you personally.
I certainly didn’t see it that way, but I guess he will have to speak for himself.
Betsy
You called Javy a disaster but have a problem with Jeter being called Capt. DP? Unless Jeter is exempt from criticism, how is one worse than the other?
What LA team is paying him Betsy? And it’s not like the only thing CC can do is run.
I really don’t stutter.
104 pitches in less than 4 IP. Woooooooooooooow.
SJ44 -
Agree about catcher – Posada is not able to carry the load they’d hoped he would; and DH – it’s been made clear it can’t be strictly rotational (you can use it to give guys a rest every once in a while, but you need a real DH – like with Matsui last season); I’m conflicted on the outfield – Swisher is not only having a career year, but has shown the willingness to work to get even better, plus his demeanor has been a gift; Gardner is replaceable, but is his replacement worth the cost?; I hate to give up on Granderson, but he may just not have been a good fit (or he may just need to work more with Long).
Any improvements to the bench are welcome – no bench players are irreplaceable.
Their outfield defense has been very good this season.
Losing Pettitte was the turning point between their good run and this .500 blah run.
Stop with the Damon crap. He wanted a boat load of money. $8 million. Noodle arm and 36 year legs are why.
Im weak, Ken. Im weak.
Javier Vazquez – contrary to popular belief – is not weak. He has given everything he has in this game, and kept the team in the game (though wasting the bullpen). It’s up to the offense now to work at bats and win this game.
I think this game closes the book on Javy the Bust. DL him n give Nova 2 starts.
Javy is a gamer – he is working very hard, he is keeping the game close. Now it is up to the offense.
all right, just let him continue to pitch, 200 pitches for 9?
Watching Vazquez is just painful at this point.
Four innings, 107 pitches. Yikes!
He’s trying his best but, his stuff is non-existent.
Betsy,
One thing the Yankees aren’t doing in the off-season is standing pat.
You can’t throw him out there for another inning., you are tempting fate.
Let’s hope the bullpen can continue their stellar performance – and that the Yanks’ bats come to life.
gamer? yes, game 7, gamer!
Javy used a lot of smoke and a lot of mirrors but he somehow managed to get through 4 innings without allowing any more runs. Don’t know if they’ll send him back out or not with that pitch count.
Alright, enough of this no offense garbage. Time to put up some runs.
javy actually made it so the pen wouldnt be completely ruined.
Two weeks off would do well for Vazquez.
Stop with the Damon crap.
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He could have been had.
You call someone who held the opposition to 2 runs, despite allowing a bunch of baserunners, a bust? I guess we have different definitions of a bust. He didn’t have it tonight clearly and threw a lot of pitches. But he made his pitches when he had to and he’s kept the Yanks in the game. Is that worth nothing?
Who cares about Damons arm? He’d be DH.
SJ,
If the Yanks called up Montero and let him DH would you be against the move? I am not saying to be a savior but to bat at the bottom of the order and hopefully give them a little more than Berkman and the bottom of the order is right now. The bottom of this lineup is dreadful.
Swisher still flailing at pitches.
Pepitone, I probably overreacted – and I apologize.
I understand CB’s point………….but then I will just say, as I said before, there is no best team.
@Trisha. Are u saying Javy has been a success this yr??
trish
javy is a time bomb out there.
And it’s just a matter of time.
They oughtta quit while they are ahead and get him out of there.
“He could have been had.”
How? Offer him arb and risk paying $13+ mil?
Otherwise it would take a two year deal and if they gave him two years, all this talk of Lee AND Crawford would be moot.
SJ, I don’t think they will or should stay put – no team should really – but there’s not a lot of things they can do. They had better hope that Jeter bounces back and that Jorge/Alex are not done. Tex MUST do better than taking a month and a half off………… It’s dangerous to hope that Montero can be a significant force next year, also.
Vaz getting thru this having given up only two is also a testimony to the problems the Tigers are having. Remember, Vaz got lit up by a better hitting Texas lineup last time out.
OK, Javy had nothing tonight. We all agree. But he only gave up 2 runs. He didn’t implode like some other starters have done this year. (Not mentioning initials.) They’re never gonna win if they don’t score, though, no matter who is pitching.
really frustrating to see
Stop with the Damon crap. He wanted a boat load of money. $8 million. Noodle arm and 36 year legs are why.
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10 pitch AB’s are why.
Swisher is quickly falling back to earth.
If Damon is not worth $8M, how is Jeter worth $22M????
# Betsy August 16th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Pepitone, I probably overreacted – and I apologize.
I understand CB’s point………….but then I will just say, as I said before, there is no best team.
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Agreed
A break?
They really need to exploit this.
Losing Andy hurt, but I don’t think he’s affected their play. Moseley has done fine and Javy and AJ and Phil are as they have always been. Losing him certainly didn’t affect their offense, which has been inconsistent since the beginning of the season.
Tex is a ballplayer, bless him.
Hustle!
Maybe that will be the point where our luck changes????????/
Did Castillo just sign with the Tigers?
“You could accept it if Cervelli was defensively capable, but he has made the most errors in the AL of any catcher, and he isn’t even starting 2/3 of the games!”
Trisha will get you for that one, Matt
I hope that’s the bloop that wakes up the offense.
an error gets someone on.
“If Damon is not worth $8M, how is Jeter worth $22M????”
He is worth $8m but Cash said he wouldn’t play here for that.
Jeter isn’t worth what he will get. We know that.
Now that’s the break we needed.
Saw that coming.
My bad vibe worked.
Don’t know how I do that.
The Yanks need every gift possible to try and score a run. The Royals tried to give them 4 and they didn’t take any. Hopefully they take advantage here.
No chance in hell Javy goes out for 5th
Outstanding job by Tex there to get to 2nd. Great hustle play. Hope it starts something.
Let’s go Arod!!!
# clownthrowindown August 16th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
If Damon is not worth $8M, how is Jeter worth $22M????
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if you are talking about fair market value, you can argue that lot of the Yankee players are overpaid… see CC, Burnett, Jeter, Arod, Javy etc. ect….
A gamer is someone who works through even when he doesn’t have it; who doesn’t give up; who keeps his team in the game; who manages to get through, however hard it may be to watch, so that they didn’t have to go to the bullpen in the 3rd inning. They can bring Mitre in for 5 & 6 and then it’s the usual 7, 8 and 9.
Pep, it’s a matter of which team has the fewest flaws. Frankly, I think it’s too bad that there really isn’t a terrific team, but such is the way it goes. I don’t think the Yankee are going to have a cushion going into the final weeks, so they’ll have to beat the Rays head to head. That’s fine with me …….
A-Rod in swing mode…..Ball 5.
3-0 and swings at a high pitch? come on….
What is with the big swings??!?! Arod calm down
Swisher is quickly falling back to earth.
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And without the patience he had last year he is no Damon in the 2 hole.
Ace, I’m talking about tonight’s game. As far as this season, I think he has had some good games and some not-great games. But I would never get rid of him. I still think he has value and I think he knows how to pitch. I think he is certainly the equivalent of a 4th or 5th starter on any team. By the way, I didn’t want Javy back. But I guess compared to what I was expecting, he pleasantly surprised me.
They can give Jeter 100 mill. I don’t care. He just can’t play SS.
Blast one Alex
yankees are doing a good job working the count, scherzer has 70 pitches in the fourth. he won’t go more than 6.
A gamer is someone who works through even when he doesn’t have it;
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Maybe today so far but , in general, he hasn’t been a gamer.
Like AJ, Javy has wilted under adversity this season.
I have a feeling Jorge will bounce back next year – this year was just bad on so many levels, esp. with the broken foot. However, he can not catch much – he’s going to have to DH a lot. I think the Yanks need to find another catcher, to be honest. Otherwise if Montero doesn’t perform to his hype (and he’s just a kid who will struggle, like all kids do), the Yankees are in trouble.
oh well, cant blame the umpire there. he swung at 3-0 and 3-1, both of which were balls. Tried to do too much.
at least he saw 9 pitches
@Trisha. If what he’s done has made u smile this yr u really need to fix those priorities. U probably think Cervelli is a future all star if u r happy with Javy.
They didn’t get him to be a back end starter
Alex expanded the zone that AB. Something he hasn’t done too often with RISP this season.
The Yankees don’t have a lot of gamers. I don’t feel that there’s a real leader on this team. How can they be this flat? AL East lead is dwindling, but they’re just resting on the fact that they are champions. Pathetic.
“Like AJ, Javy has wilted under adversity this season.”
It’s absurd to compare those two. AJ has elite stuff. Javy has horrible stuff.
Swish has been in a big slump…………seems like Cano has been as well. These guys carried the team – it’s to be expected they would drop off.
At least we’re driving his pitchcount up a little?
Cano needs to break out of his mini slump now.
Basically pitching around Cano here which makes sense with Posada on deck.
This ump is tripping.
One bright side of Bust Javy is we got Logan.
that called strike was almost in the other box.
Arod was swinging like he was looking for #600. When the Yanks aren’t hitting you see the gigantic swings and they chase way too many pitches. Arod should of just taken his walk.
It’s absurd to compare those two. AJ has elite stuff. Javy has horrible stuff.
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We’re talking makeup. What goes on internally under duress.
Moseley had done fine for a fill-in and he had the one outstanding game; but Pettitte is a guy you can depend on. There’s a different feel to it. AJ is a mixed bag, last game notwithstanding; Phil has actually been fine the last couple of starts. But having two guys Pettitte & CC you can count on for sure – that hasn’t been there.
You guys need to stop with these pop psychology posts. They are motivated enough. They’re just not executing.
im thinking someone is getting tossed before the game is over.
thanks again hp umpire!
Every pitcher they face is Cy Young.
Actually, Javy has shown great courage because he has battled, but he has slop.
This team is seriously falling apart. We have two consistent hitters (Swish and Cano) all season. Everyone else is slumping.
Our backup catcher has the most errors of ANY catcher in the league. Our SP is the only reason we are still in first, yet, unfortunately, Javys arm is nonexistent and we have @ least 3 more weeks of Dustin Mosely.
I don’t know when they’ll turn it on, but let’s hope it’s before we become closer to the Sox in the standings than the Rays.
This game is just pitiful!
Going down meekly once again.
Running a guy out there with a dead arm to give them 4 innings, nearly 110 pitches, and put them in a 2 run early hole isn’t smart.
The guy isn’t healthy.
A dead arm doesn’t help the team.
He should be on the DL after this start to see if 15 days off can bring some life back to his arm.
because of these crappy strike calls, they have to swing at everything and they are stinking it up as it is, but swinging at pitches way outside because it was called before isnt helping.
“We’re talking makeup. What goes on internally under duress.”
As I just posted:
Actually, Javy has shown great courage because he has battled, but he has slop.
Another gift wasted. Cano needs to get in the cage with Long. He is pulling everything to 2nd base and swinging at too many bad pitches.
# Betsy August 16th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
Pep, it’s a matter of which team has the fewest flaws. Frankly, I think it’s too bad that there really isn’t a terrific team, but such is the way it goes. I don’t think the Yankee are going to have a cushion going into the final weeks, so they’ll have to beat the Rays head to head. That’s fine with me …….
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Agreed, this is not the same team as last years. They will have a fight on their hands all the way to the final two weeks.
Starting Sept. 20, they finish with Toronto, Tampa, and Boston. Those game will decide the East.
We r lucky Papelbon was terrible the past week.
Price has awesome stuff.
Oh great an Arod injury that is what this team needs.
Doreen, I’m not comparing the two – I’m just saying that Andy’s absence is not the cause of their awful offensive performance. Their record is so weak lately because of the offense, not the pitching. Boy I do miss Andy though – he and CC are the only guys I trust.
Alex hurt?
that’s terrific.
uhoh, The rod is hurt.
Now we have people saying Javy is courageous??? I’ve heard it all. The guy is terrible.
The lead is dwindling? They’ve never had a commanding lead to dwindle. It’s been precarious since the outset. There are two outstanding teams in the division, and a third not far behind. They have basically kept pace with one another since the Yankees took over first from the Rays. It is the Rays that squandered a lead in the division. the Yankees have been hanging on to a lead for over a month.
So Alex is hurt now?
when it rains, it pours.
Oh crap…
This offense is really borderline pathetic.
Groundhog Day- same game as yesterday, but in a different stadium.
SJ44
Any thoughts on why Javy had 93mph this year, and hasn’t gotten above 91mph at all this year?
**The flip in 1st and 2nd that lasted a day or two notwithstanding, that is.
93mph last year******
Awful throw.
Didn’t we have a 5 game lead over tB?
Captain Jeet!
Jeter is on vacation, nuff said
there goes jeter’s errorless streak.
look at the fat turd hustling down the line. lol
Well, first place was fun while it lasted.
Ace-
The two aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.
The errorless streak was meaningless anyway.
Great just what Mitre needs. Of course Cabrera actually runs hard against the Yanks. I have never ever seen him run hard down the line but of course playing against the pinstripes makes you play hard.
jeter has a sore arm, he doesn’t throw like he did even last year.
What happened to Alex?
i know, Rich. I just figured I’d pull a Michael Kay and whip out the meaningless stat!
How do you fix a team slump?
Jeter’s longest streak without an E is over.
Mitre is doing a good job here.
Mitre is a better pitcher than Javy.
Pena hitting fourth , as yankees has no other infielder options is essentially why Yanks need a better bat.
Someone on another board said that YES caught Alex saying something about his calf…………maybe it cramped up on him in the heat?
# mick August 16th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Mitre is a better pitcher than Javy.
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he is not , but he prolly is slightly better than Javy right now.
Give me a break guys, stop giving Tampa so much credit.
The Yankees have lost 4 games in the last week that they should have won while Tampa was limping along barely playing .500 ball.
The only reason this is even close in the division race is that the Yankees continue to lose games that a first place, “best record in baseball” should be winning. Boston has blown 2 huge games in the last week and not lost a single game in the standings.
If the Yankees took care of their own business, Tampa would be 4 or 5 back now, and Boston 8 or 9 games out.
This team won’t be in first place for long if they can’t get this offense fixed.
Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? Larry!
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.
Looks like Price is done. Rangers chance is right here in the 7th.
we haven’t scored in how many innings now? 14? The Yankees are scoring in the bottom half of this 5th inning.
That 2-2 changeup on Inge has been called a strike with Scherzer on the mound at least 10 times today. WHAT A JOKE.
he is not , but he prolly is slightly better than Javy right now.
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I’m talking about NOW.
Pep, I said this team wasn’t as good as last year’s and I got killed for it. They can only go on like this for so long without it effecting him. Tampa has better pitching than we do ………….they don’t need to depend on the offense as much.
If they don’t start scoring we be tied for the best record in baseball.
Why do so many pitchers shake off Cervelli. Is his pitch calling that bad?
blake – good memory.
eli got hurt badly… thats why they should have no preseason games..
Detroit is letting the Yankees hang around in this game. Hopefully they will pay for it.
Eli walking off the field in a bloody mess after a Calvin Pace hit
Why do so many pitchers shake off Cervelli. Is his pitch calling that bad?
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Doesn’t he get the signs from Pena?
Switched over to the Giant game an Eli is bleeding from the skull?
Like him or not – Javy went out there tonite (probably shouldn’t have) and fought & muscled his way thru with seemingly diminished strenght.
Gutty performance, Mr. Vazquez !!!
(too bad we didn’t let him bat – maybe he would’ve looked better than some of our ‘regulars’….couldn’t be that much worse)
I guess it’s a minor
If Arod has to miss a couple of games or go on the dl the Yanks are in big trouble. You would assume at the least he will miss the rest of this series. I hate to say it but if the Yanks don’t start hitting and Boston get’s on a roll the Yanks could be in some serious trouble. It’s really hard to win games when your lineup is basically the 1 threw 5 batters.
Matt,
I don’t disagree with that.
But if the Yankees are going to slump, and they certainly are doing that, at least the competition hasn’t taken over.
I know it sounds like a “rosy” way of looking at things, but the games are played, and there’s nothing you can do about bygones, except look at the upside, which is the ocmpetition ain’t taken advantage, either.
The offense is officially in a slump. Plain and simple. Just got to hope it doesn’t last long. There needs to be changes made, but Girardi stays too loyal to his guys.
I guess it’s a minor miracle that we’re only down two runs at this point. But that means squat if they don’t score any runs.
Bases loaded no outs for Rangers
You guys are killing Vasquez but he’s the 5th starter and he’s given up two runs. What more do you expect? The offense is the problem not Vasquez.
If Kevin Long is such a genius, why is everyone in the line-up either struggling or slumping?
The bats are really in a funk right now, more than at any time this year. Somebody, somehow needs to execute. I think this offensive slump is becoming a mental issue. They are trying too hard for power swings, getting under everything. Need somebody to put a multi game hit streak together. Of course, right now I would settle for a multiple AB hit streak.
1 hit?
If Tampa were as good as you all keep touting them as, they would not be trailing the Yankees right now given how many games they have totally given away this year that any self respecting first place team would find a way to win.
The problem is not the good competition, the problem is the UNDERACHIEVING YANKEES.
All season it’s the same nonsense. The lineup doesn’t show up for 6 innings of every game, how do you expect to win games when you go 2 for 15 with RISP every night?
good ab for grandy!
It’s the 5th inning and the Yanks haven’t come close to figuring him out. Before you know it, it’s going to be the 9th inning. The Yanks are going to have to figure these guys out in 2-3 inning and not 7.
Thank you Andrus
Now is a good time for Cervelli’s first HR of the season.
Betsy August 16th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Pep, I said this team wasn’t as good as last year’s and I got killed for it.
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I don’t know why, since it happens to be the truth.
But, so what? They can still win the whole thing again by hanging in there and making the playoffs. The Lakers this year were not as good as they were the year before. I’m a Lakers fan and I predicted they would be knocked out in the first round, and, of course, I was wrong. They had more grit than I gave them credit for.
This years Yankee team reminds me of the Lakers in certain ways; they are both trying to repeat, and they are both flawed.
But, teams with championship banners usually find a way to get it done. I think the Yanks, despite all their very real, and worrisome, flaws will eventually find a way.
Marcus Thames may wind up playing 3rd later tonight.
Tampa has 4 or 5 guys in the lineup every night hitting under .250 and they score enough runs to win, what excuse is there for this lineup that is loaded with all stars and power hitters?
This game is taking forever for it to be 2-0.
Rangers just tied it up.
tie game in tampa… meanwhile J-E-T-S ripping up the giants D..
Can we get some runs please? I dont feel like watching the dancing “valverde” tonight.
Cervelli HR? hell no
2-2 RAYS Price out
no desire for them to win tonight.
He just can not hit at all. Negative power.
Cervelli’s ABs are nauseating.
Grrrrrrrrrrrr
Pep, good points….
Cervelli should be in AA, exactly where the Yanks got him from.
wow another wasted inning. cant blame grandy for the effort. however, cervelli should not swing 3-1.
Yanks suck at stealing bases.
wow…nothing goin right.
not even at a little league field
there is no mojo for Cervelli, unfortunately
Granderson. Just a terrible player. Who wouldn’t rather see Jackson in CF?
# Rich in NJ August 16th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Cervelli’s ABs are nauseating.
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wait til you see Ramiro Pena’s AB
Christ. Cervelli is just terrible.
Thank goodness Yankees brought their bats tonight. 1 hit thru 5. Nice effort again.
Is that really all Cervelli can do in a 3-1 count? That’s sad.
When is this team going to wake up and start cutting the dead weight? You cannot keep running garbage players out there every night and expecting them to miraculously find a way to get it done.
The Yankees are struggling because they stubbornly refuse to change ANYTHING up. Jeter is the 8th best hitter in the lineup every night when Cervelli is not playing, yet he bats leadoff every night. The hitter with one of the highest OBP in Gardner bats 9th every day.
It’s not “bad luck” when one of your worst hitters bats leadoff.
Would Moeller really be a worse option at C?
Gee, haven’t watched this game 5 dozen times before…
Looks likes this is going to be another KC.
“…Matt August 16th, 2010 at 9:04 pm…
…The problem is not the good competition, the problem is the UNDERACHIEVING YANKEES.
All season it’s the same nonsense. The lineup doesn’t show up for 6 innings of every game, how do you expect to win games when you go 2 for 15 with RISP every night?…”
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That about sums it up, Matt !!!
….along with those wimpy ‘May losses’ we gave away – that most here simply ‘laughed about’
….gotta bank wins early – then you can ‘afford’ to ‘funk-around’ and lose games later in the season.
Earn the money early – so you cave ‘capital’ to spend when things go crappy later on !
Just my opinion, but I think Sherzer is like Burnett on a night against an offensively inept team. He can blow it by you and throw a ridiculous breaking ball, but can’t locate.
I’m not suggesting we aren’t capable of being great, because we are capable. But this funk their in is ridiculous. This whole offense is basically in a slump.
Just have to hope they all get hot together. That will be a sight to see. Have to imagine they will be due.
Go Yanks!
ANYONE would be a better option than Cervelli at this point.
The Yankees system is loaded with catcher depth, so if you are trying to win it makes no sense to continue to utilize the worst piece of that depth when you have other options available.
They have Montero, Moeller, etc all down in AAA. Anyone is a better option at this point, you have to send Cervelli down until he starts proving he is a major league caliber player. He never hit at AA, and he isn’t hitting in the majors. He is shaky defensively as well, he is pretty much one of the worst players in the Major Leagues right now other than the fact that he can play a premium position.
Then again, last year’s team refused to cut Cody Ransom until the end of July. They just don’t have the guts to make the decision that has to be made.
That should be an error.
I’m just curious to the people who know more about the minors than I do. Would it be a bad thing to send cervelli down and bring up romine?
That stinks, now Jackson will steal 2nd.
Tough play, but Swish should’ve caught that.
The Yankees are struggling because they stubbornly refuse to change ANYTHING up
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That’s the Girardi way. Don’t hurt anyone’s ego, stay popular with the guys and close your eyes and hope everything works out. Girardi is the epitome of a deer in the headlights when faced with adversity.
That throw by Cervelli was terrible. Jackson is out by 10 feet if he makes even an OK throw.
so alex is out of the game?
The Cervelli experiment needs to end.
This game is just getting harder and harder to watch. Why is this offense so bad?!?!?!?!?
Well…you don’t see that very often.
Too bad this isn’t kickball.
He is out If they are playing wiffleball
Like I just said….The Yanks have to get rid of Cervelli. He can’t hit at all and his throws are absolutely pathetic. Moeller is much better than him.
Wow, the Yankees have 3 hits in their last 14 innings……
I still get goosebumps watching that highlight.
That double steal was a closer play than I’d seen before in replays. The guy with the ball just missed tagging Damon before he got up speed to go to third. Could have been a devastating play.
no kidding, they’re only down 2, still got hope
forget moeller. if another catcher joins this team, it has to be Montero.
Lee isn’t coming out of the game in St. Pete anytime soon. 74 pc through 7. Rangers with a great chance to win that one.
Texas ties it up at 2. At least they can keep the Yankees in first since the Yankees can’t seem to do it themselves.
Rich
Come on, damn it! Make a prediction for us scoring multiple runs next inning. PLEASE!
The Straw
I agree about Cervelli, he cannot hit and his fielding lately has been brutal.
Good thing the RS have had so many injuries otherwise this team would be on the outside looking in.
Since CASHman made his moves at the deadline they have been mediocre.
Newsflash – The NYY do not have a very good rotation.
to the person who said girardi doesnt change the lineup what are u watching he has sat gardner and granderson and put in kearns and berkman and vise versa who is he not using?
Mitre really doing a nice job for this team. He was instrumental in the Cliff Lee win the other night and if they come back and win tonight it will be in part because he gave them solid middle innings again tonight.
Need to push a couple across here and get to the pen.
7 runs next inning there u go
Rangers get a leadoff tripple with Hamilton, Vlad and Cantu up
Let’s go Yankee bats! Think positive.
Andy was the anchor of this rotation other than CC. It is no coincidence the offense’s woes have coincided with the time he has been hurt. His consistency took the pressure off Javy, AJ and even Phil to some degree.
That’s crap. Hughes has been better of late losing onlynbecause the offense was horrible. CC was great last time out and aj is aj. Pettitte will return in two weeks and Moseley has been serviceable for a replace starter. It’s the offense thats worrisome.
Michael Young out in Tampa with an injured neck. What happened?
Must have extra-base hits to score. This team just can’t score with singles and walks anymore.
Please prove me wrong, yanks!
Probably Scherzer’s last inning so if they can hold the Tigers there then I like the Yanks chances.
alex injured his leg?
It seems like the Yanks only chance is if Swish, Tex or Cano hits a homerun. We have seen this before it’s homerun or nothing. The Yanks are extremely boring to watch right now. Bring in the rookie, journeymen or pitcher with a 7 era and the Yanks forget how to hit.
CR9
When I make optimistic predictions I really believe them.
I don’t feel it right now.
This team needs a spark. I think it should be Montero.
This strike zone is a joke. Try calling it both ways idiot
Whatever happened to Sal Fasano ???
no homeruns = no scoring lately. poor executions with RISP. deader than dead wood in Cervelli and Pena.
and drum beats on…
hi everyone,
It’s been a while since i took a well deserved vacation. Seems i haven’t missed much though
What the heck is wrong with this HORRIBLE offense!?!? They keep making excuses for the offense (haven’t seen this pitcher before yada yada yada). Enough excuses! Yankees need to be dominating these teams!
The entire offense just sucks right now, and they are going to a) go nowhere in the playoffs with this offense and b) lose the division lead
This team is falling apart…Now Swish is hurt??
Keep ragging on Jeter you guys…..at least we know he comes to play.
It’s not surprising NYY are slumping. Look at the 9 guys (10 including Pena) that are out there today…only Jeter has an AVG over .300 this month. Everyone else is .250 or below. That’s tough to overcome.
WB luis , hope you had a good one.
pinch-hitting for swisher? man they must be in a slump.
They were making excuses last night about how Bullington was ahead of hitters and was tough on them. He threw first pitch strikes to only NINE hitters!
Are these guys delusional? It’s almost like they just read off a list of excuses.
No way they pitch to tex with Pena on deck
Marcus Thames get ready to play 3rd!
With these injuries and looking like the Padres at the plate I hope Montero is pulled from his game right now…
Text message would be nice.
hi cash,
This past two games have been frustrating to say the least, but i sense a comeback
Tex will not get another pitch to hit in this game with Pena on deck.
Scherzers eyes are freaking me out.
Just a totally pathetic performance. Just awful.
Oh well, hopefully we get to the pen.
What will the excuse be tonight? This is pathetic.
what happened with Swisher?
wow. this lineup makes the mets look like ’27 yanks
this is bad. these strike calls are awful….
Yankees need to show fire and girardi needs to come out and get tossed. both ways, the ump has been about as bad as we have seen this year.
HOPE WEEK: Bettering the lives of others and shortening mine. The Yankees are awful.
The negativity on this board is way more brutal than this team’s batting slump as far as watching goes, unreal.
You would think this team is 5 games back instead of 1st place and defending champs.
Sure they’re scuffling right now but the starting pitching has been fine, the bull pen even better. The bats will come back!
No need for the other team to employ any strategy at all, by say pitching around Tex to face Pena. Our offense is so so bad. Maybe getting to the Tigers pen will help. Definitely be a Coke sighting tonight.
And BTW, they are 0-4 with RISP, so even if it doesn’t feel like they have done much tonight, they have still had many chances to get on the board and have had their worst at bats of the game over and over with runners on base.
Nobody on this team cuts down their swing and tries to put the ball in play, except Jeter, who doesn’t have the power to get it out of the infield most of the time.
Maybe a few days off are what Swish needs.
Wow, guys.
Some of you are just so depressing on this blog. We’re losing a game and it’s like the world is ending. Give it a rest!
We got a great performance out of Burnett last night and tonight we’ve managed to only allow 2 runs. We just got Scherzer out of the game and we’ve got a shot at scoring.
So many of you act like this team doesn’t already have 70+wins and the best record in baseball.
Jeez.
A little shocked they let him pitch to Teixeira there. Guess Teixeira was surprised too.
Kay is such an ass.
Christ. What the Frick is going on with this offense?!? This is just painful. It’s like watching the stupid O’s.
# luis August 16th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
hi cash,
This past two games have been frustrating to say the least, but i sense a comeback
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yup. i hope you are right. cuz he can only tip your cap so many times.
Swish is hurt?
” Give it a rest!”
This just in: The offense has been awful for most of the last few weeks.
If you don’t see that, maybe you need a rest.
Where are the updates????? It’s bad enough being at this game but innings later I can’t find out why I have to suffer through Pena at 3rd
That swing tells you all you need to know about the Yanks offense right now. With 1st base open Tex has to know he isn’t getting anything to hit and he doesn’t but he still swings at a pitch that he could NEVER pull and hit. This offense is REALLY embarrassing. Scherzer had good stuff tonight but not unhittable. If the Yanks were actually hitting I am sure they would of scored 2-3 runs tonight.
Pena can’t hit a lick but he can pick it.
Rich, what did Kay say?
Put Sergio in the rotation and DL Javy.
Sterling and Waldman having an orgasm over Pena fielding a ground ball is pretty funny.
Bullpen pitching well again though. Really starting to come together.
i just cant stand listening to Kay! His god damn job is to speak with diction, and he just cant do it. But he can say “Suzuki Kazashi” this …….. ….. …….. …….. piece of ……
Probably because so far this “best team in baseball” has managed 4 measly hits in the past two games. Lose to ta journeyman pitcher who has never won a major league start in FIVE years and cant muster an offense to threaten one of the worst teams in baseball.
Betsy
He’s going on and on and on about Scherzer hitting 97 on his last pitch.
bfd, This offense can’t even hit Bullinger.
There’s the solution to our slump……warming up in the Tigers pen.
Texas up 4-2 in the 8th
Phil Coke as a starter? Yikes.
“Phil Coke as a starter? Yikes.”
He was in the mLs.
The world is ending because they are losing? Nobody is saying that.
This team has been inconsistent offensively all season, whether healthy, injured, hot, or cold at the time. They have not played like a team deserving of first place, and if the teams behind them weren’t playing like .500 teams as well, they WOULD be 3 or 4 games out of first place.
I’m sorry that you can’t handle that this is a flawed team. Pointing out such is not “bridge jumping,” it’s facing the facts. This team has lost 4 games that they should have won in the last week alone, and they are letting teams like Tampa and Boston stay in the race undeservingly.
If the offense disappears for 2 games in the middle of the ALDS like it seems to do every other week, they could very well not make it past the first round. You have to play well on the field, it means nothing to be the “defending champions” if you don’t back it up by playing like them.
4-2 Rangers
Of course Coke has had a good year he pitches in a gigantic ballpark. No more short porch homeruns and doubles to the m&m boys. That is one guy I won’t miss.
Rangers up 4-2, Molina missed his 2nd HR of the night again by inches, in same spot.
JackCurryYES Swisher left game with injured right forearm. Not sure yet how he injured it or how serious it is.
Jose Aceves? Kay’s job is to commentate the Yankees, and he cant even get the guy’s name right??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Yeah I know Coke was a starter in the minors, but we have seen him, multiple innings he simply doesn’t have the stuff.
And so far, the ONLY reason this is the team with the best record in baseball at the moment is because TB Is scuffling too. If there were playing like they were in June – this would be a second place team right now.
Nice job Mitre.
I mentioned a few weeks ago that I thought Mitre would get better with more work.
Mitre another nice appearence. Doing his best Aceves impression. 2 runs. Are we really this bad right now? Have we become the Mets Offense or lack thereof?
“Yeah I know Coke was a starter in the minors, but we have seen him, multiple innings he simply doesn’t have the stuff.”
Neither does Vazquez right now, and he’s starting.
Just sayin’.
# Rich in NJ August 16th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
I mentioned a few weeks ago that I thought Mitre would get better with more work.
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TWSS!
Amid luckily the only reason the yanks are in sole possession of first place is because Texas is beating the rays. Not because the Yankees are beating up under .500 teams. Cause they’re not.
Swish has injured right forearm.
Probably on that play he couldn’t make.
Mitre isn’t bad. He wasn’t ready in that first start off the DL but he’d be in a lot of teams rotations right now.
Great job by Mitre to keep us in this! Love that guy and his hot face and tight arse!
iPad typing blows.
Rich, thanks………….well, it’s hard not to be impressed with a young pitcher throwing 97 late in the game.
Mitre did a great job tonight. Hopefully it actually means something and they don’t waste another good pitching performance.
Cliff Lee at 74 pitches going into the 8th. Hopefully he finishes them off himself. Now that guy is simply a beast. He isn’t all that young but a must have next year. Throws easy and eats up crazy innings. And is quick.
Oh great……….how’d he injure his forearm? This is icky news……
Betsy
Over their last 49 PA, the Yankees have hit .087/.143/.087.
I’m not impressed.
Matt-
The thing is, every single team in playoff position in both leagues is flawed in one way or another. Some teams will turn it up in the playoffs and some won’t. The regular season is not always the best predictor of this. I just hope we are one of the teams that turns it up, like in 1999 and 2000, rather than one that doesn’t, like in 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007.
The team didn’t get to Scherzer but they’re likely going to get 9 outs against the detroit pen.
This has been the recipe for them to win.
Vazquez had nothing – given the how bad his stuff was 4 innings 2 runs was better than it looked like it was going to be.
Great job by Mitre.
Really can’t say enough about the bull pen.
Earlier this season there were dozens of posts about what a disaster the pen was and how it was going to sink the team.
The pen is great now but it’s the offense that’s struggling.
It’s perplexing but they’ll figure it out and turn things around like the pen’s performance.
“TWSS!”
I had to google it, but heh.
How do you at least not be frustrated by this teams performance on offense???
Rich, either am I, lol…………….I’m impressed with Schertzer; wouldn’t mind having that arm on our team.
Matt August 16th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
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Re-read Matt’s note above…..another ‘bulls-eye’ !!!
Matt August 16th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
If the offense disappears for 2 games in the middle of the ALDS like it seems to do every other week, they could very well not make it past the first round. You have to play well on the field, it means nothing to be the “defending champions” if you don’t back it up by playing like them.
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You can say “If the offense disappears for 2 games in the middle of the ALDS like it seems to do every other week, they could very well not make it past the first round” that about any team heading into the playoffs, it’s a crap shoot, come on…
They are still #1 in MLB in run differential and only 2 games off of last years pace. BFD about this slump, they happen all the freaking time.
Swisher probably injured his right forearm trying to make a sliding catch off AJax single to right.
What is update on why A-Rod is out of game.
Betsy
IPK for Schwerzer. Oh wait…
Pena should bunt.
Any chance the Yanks score a run tonight?
Ok, now we see how good Coke will be. I feel Cano can turn on one. Then Jorge. Pena needs to work his way on. Short RF porch for Mr. Coke.
CB. Have you seen anything with the at bats by the yanks that would indicate to you why they’re slumping so much?
Or maybe Pena should throw himself in the way of a pitch.
Just came home….for anyone who has watched the game, can you identify on what play Arod got hurt and what was he doing?
Thanks.
# Rich in NJ August 16th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
“TWSS!”
I had to google it, but heh.
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haha Rich, i figure you can take a joke.
Kay is becoming as sight-challenged as Sterling.
The Pointer!
Coke has an ERA under 3? The trade is getting better and better
Rich, we don’t know if that rumor was true……..anyway, what’s done is done (or not done).
“haha Rich, i figure you can take a joke.”
Hell yeah.
Okay, so some of the negative people (who always find a bad lining to ANYTHING the Yankees do), feel we’re lucky to be in 1st place ?!?!?! (scratching head)
It can’t be a case of the Rays, easily one of the best teams in baseball, is LUCKY they are only 1 game out since the Yankees are not lighting the world on fire ?
It can’t be the normal peaks and valleys of the season ?
I wasn’t aware the team is supposed to act like a robot and crush every opponent and win every series. God forbid they go 2 games without scoring a run.
It’s getting late early tonight.
I’m glad I’m going to tomorrow night’s game………..with CC and Verlander on the mound, it will be blessedly quick.
4 hits in almost 16 innings of baseball with no runs.. Are you freaking kidding me?
Why can’t Cabrera go back to being lazy…
i don’t believe it. an actual hit
Will the short quick stroke work?
Alex- Tight left calf
Kevin-
I agree with your setiments, but this week is by far the worst the Yanks have looked this season.
Nice Grandy.
Well Grandy wins that one.
Now need one big hit.
WTG, Granderson.
AB of the game coming up.
Granderson has clearly turned things around
this might be a guy Cerv can handle !
YankeesWFAN ARod tight left calf, Swisher tight right forearm. Both day to day.
1 minute ago via web
Does this team have any pride?????????????? Maybe they should do a movie Lack of Pride of the Yankees!
Sentiments. Damn iPad.
Arod = tight left calf….day to day
Maybe Alex cramped up in the heat………..I hope that’s all it is.
now watch cervelli pop out weakly
please PH thames in.
Great. cervelli. Bring Thames to catch. Can’t be worse than cervelli.
“Damn iPad.”
I’m getting one.
Just got back from the football draft.
Still think the Yanks will take this game.
Well, I guess that’s good news…………….could have been worse
Nice hit by Granderson. Is it possible to pinch hit Thames and let Posada catch? Otherwise it stinks to let the pitcher hit here.
Thames for Cervelli, Posada to catch with Thames DH?
With Alex and Swisher out, along with Berkman hurting, you have a non-existent bench to go with a dead offense.
Not exactly a recipe to start hitting again.
It’s too late in the year for these kind of slumps.
One bad week and they could be spending the rest of the year playing from behind for a playoff spot.
The effort is there. Now, it’s time for results.
I don’t know why but I really dislike Coke and his spitting. I’ve heard he was not liked by his teammates.
Can they pinch hit Thames here, move Jorge to C, and lose the DH?
Wish there weren’t any outs. 2 out hit- pleeeease!
The Straw,
I just refuse to get my panties in a bind when we’re in 1st place and having a subpar week. Season is too long and too many games left.
Peaks and valleys happen all the time, it’s the nature of the beast.
Uhh, come on cervelli some early year magic?
What an impressive at bat from Granderson. It’s still early but you have to be very pleased with what he and Long have done with that Swing.
I’ve said this since spring training – Granderson has great hand speed. Not even good – it’s great.
But before his mechanics were getting in the way of his hands.
Now because his hands are loaded and closer to proper launch position he’s actually able to take advantage of his bat speed rather than depending on it to bail him out due to other bad mechanics.
Two weeks ago there is no way Granderson can get on top of that pitch from a lefty and line it with that kind of authority.
Shut me up, Cervelli.
punch one throw a hole somewhere Cervelli.
“Okay, so some of the negative people (who always find a bad lining to ANYTHING the Yankees do), feel we’re lucky to be in 1st place ?!?!?! (scratching head)
It can’t be a case of the Rays, easily one of the best teams in baseball, is LUCKY they are only 1 game out since the Yankees are not lighting the world on fire ?
It can’t be the normal peaks and valleys of the season ?
I wasn’t aware the team is supposed to act like a robot and crush every opponent and win every series. God forbid they go 2 games without scoring a run.”
Kevin, I agree.
Betsy, one of the longest games I ever attended was with CC on the mound.
That swing by Cervelli was not a swing that could do anything. He’s just up there to swing for the fences. Shorten up on the bat, put a level swing on it – or take a walk.
The bigest at bat of the game and this overmatched loser has to bat. Unreal…
“please PH thames in”
If you do, you lose your DH.
Hopefully he walks.
lets go cervi. just a single.
come on one time , Cerv, i know the odds are against, do it , do it ! dream of things that never was , and say why not!
And the Rays are about to take the lead. Cervelli is the worst catcher in the American League by far.
Good job Cervelli. Just another crap swing
and Tampa ties it at 4
oh man, he sucks now.
Ugly!
Cervelli needs to go. I don’t care if they don’t use a catcher some of the time. He has to go.
shocker. groundball with a chance to score.
What happened to Gazoo? He was amazing at the start of the year.
Absolutely unreal. When was the last time Cervelli got a hit? April?
“The Straw,
I just refuse to get my panties in a bind when we’re in 1st place and having a subpar week. Season is too long and too many games left.
Peaks and valleys happen all the time, it’s the nature of the beast.”
Kevin, I agree with that too. I have a feeling that I will agree with all of your posts.
# Bill D August 16th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
“please PH thames in”
If you do, you lose your DH.
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Thames will pinch hit for Pena , hopefully with runners on later.
sorry i was so wrong about cervelli
If you get an iPad – I recommend getting the keyboard attachment. This thing is a pain to type on. Plus the autocorrecting feature isn’t always spot on.
5-4 Rays
why not montero now?
Trish, well I hope it’s not the case tomorrow. I may need to bring a book with me to read while the Yankees bat……….something exciting or appropriate, like a horror novel
Matt,
The rays have a great team, they are close because they deserve it, very good rotation, one hell of a closer, good bullpen and the offense is not shabby at all with the exception of Pena perhaps, but he allways manages to kill us. Granted we’ve been playing really bad ( last night we had more errors than hits!!), we have flaws, but every team has them. We knew from the start that this season wasn’t to be easy that it’s going to be tight all the way to the finish. It’s true also that some of the players are showing their age and it concerns me a great deal but still they have the best record in the majors that’s not an easy feat to accomplish, so have a little faith man
You lose the DH and the pitcher has to bat if you PH for Cervelli.
Problem is, the bench is short now with Berkman unavailable. Only Thames is available on the bench right now and you have to hold him back for a Pena AB.
That’s why they didn’t PH for Cervelli.
next off season cashman has 2 choices.
buy real bench players and over payed for tem.
because cervilli and pena have no business being on a major league roster.
Posada’s speed killed us on that one. That should have been a run scored and a triple from Granderson.
Jesus lord that was pathetic. Thanks for being a black hole cervelli.
wow , just weak.
Next year will be interesting. Obviously you can’t trust Jorge catching or being healthy. Montero seems like he should be up early next year as part of a 3 man catching rotation. At least DH and pinch hitting Jorge should still be able to hit some and Montero’s strength is the bat. You might be limiting Montero by doing it, but don’t see any other way unless you trade him.
Cervelli is simply horrendous
I agree with SJ – 3-4 bats need replacing.
Why not Moeller now?
Ugh – Lee blew that? LOL
“Plus the autocorrecting feature isn’t always spot on.”
I had that problem with the iPod Touch, but I’m a Mac junkie so…
We all drank the Cisco kool aid. He’s got to go. HIs defense has worsened too. This team is so bad right now. Look at the heart the Rays have.
Lee blows it 5-4 rays. damn
I rather see CC hit instead of Cervelli.
Girardi should have pinch hit for cervelli there, that might be the game guys
Is Lee overrated?
Put Thames behind the dish. Couldn’t be worse than cervelli.
I jest.
Call up Montero. It’s time.
Sal Fasano would’ve been a better choice to hit here.
Almost any old Yankee – except Bobby Meachum – could’ve looked better (maybe even been successful)
Hardly – I would kill for Lee now; we really needed him………….the guy is human, I guess
“Only Thames is available on the bench right now and you have to hold him back for a Pena AB.”
You can’t pinch hit for Pena, because who would play third? Besides, they had a scoring opportunity there. They should have taken it, instead of waiting and hoping for another one later to use Thames.
Good for the Rays. Wouldnt want them losing any ground to the Sox!
Well if they lose, at least we can look forward to another brilliant Jeter qoute like “we ran out of innings.”
I generally side with the optimists, but SJ is right. It is getting too late in the year for an extended losing streak not to damage our position. Even if they lose tonight, they need to stop the slide now and win at least four of the next six games on this home stand.
The offense is lucky that the pitching has been so good recently and allowing them to win games when they only have to score 2-3 runs. It’s expected that the pitching will reach a tough stretch and the Yanks will need to score 4-6 runs a game. The offense is wasting too many good pitching performances away. Before they know it Tampa will pass them and Boston will be neck and neck with them. It’s not a slump anymore the lineup isn’t any good and changes have to be made.
oput guys like nuzez and brandon laird on the bench
I think its time to move granderson up the batting order.
Damn. I just switched to the Rays game. I hope I can send some good vibes in the direction of the Rangers. And if the Rays win tonight don’t forget there are two more games (I think there are two) and Texas can pitch and hit. Just sayin’
Meanwhile in St.Pete…..The shoddy play of the Rangers infield let the Rays take the lead and most likely win tonight.
TODAY WILL BE THE LAST DAY for A WHILE THE YANKEES WILL HAVE THE SOLE LEAD IN FIRST PLACE..
team is old and seems to have hit a wall during the 2nd half.
The worst part with Cervelli is you can live with a backup catcher who can’t hit, but he has been pretty bad on defense and hasn’t been throwing guys out. All in all not good as much as he is playing.
The Rangers should have been out of that inning. They are a young team who is a tease, IMO.
Unless Thames is going to play 3rd base, they can’t pinch hit for Pena.
Can’t have your cake and eat it. Jorge has always been slow. But a power switch hitting catcher is not exactly common place. Take the good with the bad.
Girardi may have to consider having CC hit tomorrow if Arod and Swisher are unable to play.
At this point, CC has a better chance of getting a hit than Cervelli, Pena or some of the other guys.
Cervelli has provided NOTHING for the last two months, offensively or defensively. What do they have to gain from playing him even a single game more when they have so many options down in the minor leagues?
They want veteran experience? They have Moeller, who at least could produce as much as Cervelli and probably more. They want youth? They have Montero, who has the kind of bat that could provide this lineup with a huge jolt of energy.
Cervelli? Leads the league in catcher errors, no production since the end of May. If he wasn’t a catcher, he’d be one of the 5 worst players on any major league roster right now.
If you want to win games like tonight, you have to be creative. That is your chance to tie up and possibly win this game, you need to pinch hit for Cervelli with Thames and put the pitcher in the 8 spot in the lineup. The pitcher’s spot doesn’t come up until the bottom of the 9th if you’ve had a big rally going in the 8th or 9th, and if it does, then pinch hit Sabathia or something. Sitting on your butt and doing nothing, and letting an automatic out hit in that spot is just lazy and weak.
This is August, and these games are starting to become more and more important. Tampa with half its lineup full of AAA quality players is having no problem coming back off of Lee tonight, what is the excuse of this sorry excuse for a lineup?
Lee was cruising too. Very much like the Yankees game last week.
Captain-
Neither TB nor Sox are playing particularly well either. The Yanks are just as likely to turn it on as they are.
“Lee blows it 5-4 rays.”
Couple rockets by the Rays, but as was the case in Texas when the Yankees were in Texas, Lee was really forsaken by his defense.
Cervelli and Gardner represent two automatic outs right now. I didn’t think anything could be as bad as watching yesterday’s game but this is almost up there. We’ve been given two gifts by the Tigers tonight and spurned both.
The Yankees still have their fate in their hands – too bad they have bad hands.
Okay, I’m going to leave you to your devices. There’s no way to know when any team is going to slump or peak and I still see plenty of games left.
I remain optimistic but will give those who don’t the floor.
I still pick the Yanks to win this game.
Cervelli has to go. I know everybody says it and knows it!!! Where is Cashman, he has to do something. I usually back Cashman but right here he is curiously silent.
You can’t hit CC and take the chance he gets hit by a pitch or pulls something running……….
“Captain-
Neither TB nor Sox are playing particularly well either. The Yanks are just as likely to turn it on as they are.”
BINGO! And that’s the point! Thank you Straw.
(If my pick for tonight isn’t correct, I still have them winning the world series.)
ONWARD AND UPWARD! GO YANKEES!!!!!
@Matt
keep the essay shorter… takes forever to read.
Gardner represents an automatic out? Are you serious with that comment?
“………….the guy is human, I guess”
We have enough humans on this team.
Matt-
Totally agree.
“Have you seen anything with the at bats by the yanks that would indicate to you why they’re slumping so much?”
It’s different things with different hitters.
To me one of the things the team is going to have to deal with unfortunately is the player who is supposed to be the corner stone of the franchise as it core players age is extraodinarily streaky.
It would be nice at times like these for Tex to carry the club like we’ve seen Alex do single handedly many times before. But with tex it’s just luck as to whether or not he’s hot at any particular time. All ball player are streaky but Tex is an extreme even in that category. So far in August he’s back to hitting .240.
You need that power hitter in his prime to be the base for an offense. You really do. Alex this year for the first year in his career hasn’t or can’t be that guy.
That’s a structural problem the yanks will need to deal with. Tex is just going to be very streaky.
Cano was bound to cool off. He looks a little tired to me. His bats a bit slower and isn’t driving balls into the gaps like he usually does. He’s also hitting into bad luck – balls he’s squaring up are getting caught. He’s also getting a bit frustrated at the plate.
Swisher – he’s been great but also cooling down. It’s not surprising. The thing with Swisher that’s a bit of a concern is that his swing has been getting a bit long again as he’s falling back into some bad habits.
Alex was hitting better – but I think he’s been hurt all year. Same for Posada.
Jeter – I don’t know. He isn’t getting any loft on the ball at all. It’s as if his swing plane has changed. I don’t know.
Gardner – could be his thumb. Could be the league figuring him out. Granderson – that’s been a struggle all season.
It’s just been different things with different guys.
I do think the team is going to need to make plans because a fundamental issue that they franchise faces now is that Tex is terrific – he’s an all star. But he’s not close to the hitter Alex is/was. His hitting mechanics and swing are too complicated for him to be consistent.
And that’s the kind of player you need to get you through these stretches. Can Alex still do that? That’s a big question.
This game is making me schizophrenic. I want to be optimistic, but the play the last two nights is making it very difficult.
CB, that at bat by Granderson brought me some real happiness in an otherwise grim game.
I was at the Saturday game in Kansas City for Alex’s three homers. But the moment I most enjoyed was Granderson’s homer. Granderson is just a joy to watch and I really want him to succeed this season.
BTW, I appreciate your analysis and thoughtful comments so much. You’ve really increased my understanding and enjoyment of the game.
If nothing else, just another terrific performance from our bullpen, and from Granderson.
I would hit CC in a heartbeat. Joe will never to it. Take some major heat for it. But it would be a good move.
SJ or CB
Is it worth considering demoting Cervelli and calling up Romine?
The Yanks have to find a way to score 2 runs in the 8th so I don’t have to watch that Valverde clown in the 9th. He is an obnoxious fool.
Matt -
Please continue at your own pace…
He’s not made of glass Betsy.
Right now, he’s a better hitting option than giving away the AB’s they are giving away in the bottom of the order.
Girardi won’t do it but, he ought to consider it.
And by the way, I agree with all of you about Cervelli. If he’s hurting the team at this point and even his catching is suspect (that’s what I seem to be hearing from everyone) then hopefully Cashman brings up someone else.
Cervelli’s production (or lack thereof) was in no way predictable, so please don’t start with the “I told you so’s”.
Romine is down to .265 in AA or below that, not sure. Could be getting the exact same issue.
Never fails. Wood always has to put two guys on for every 3 outs he gets.
# GoldGlove9486 August 16th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
We all drank the Cisco kool aid. He’s got to go. HIs defense has worsened too. This team is so bad right now. Look at the heart the Rays have.
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The gutty gritty Rays who have so much spunk and energy come back from a 4-2 defecit to knock Cliff Lee out of the game. They are THE GREATEST THING since sliced bread.
That old overated lazy NY team only battled from 6-1 down on Cliff Lee to win the game last week. That was based on pure luck and their ability to outspend everyone else. It’s not true baseball.
I guess it’s human nature that if you’re dating a hot chick, to focus on the one time you catch her picking her nose, so you start drooling over her friend, who must never fart, burp or go to the bathroom.
Neither TB nor Sox are playing particularly well either
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I said “if” they get on a roll….
Not loving this HP umpire, but it is still no excuse for the offense looking like they are asleep at the plate.
SJ
Dont know if you saw my earlier question. Any reason for Javy topping out at 91mph this year, when he topped out at 93mph last year?
Rays keep fighting back. We should be able to do that, too. They are going to score a run eventually. I hope it’s tonight.
We have to have pride to fight back
“I was at the Saturday game in Kansas City for Alex’s three homers. But the moment I most enjoyed was Granderson’s homer. Granderson is just a joy to watch and I really want him to succeed this season.”
Not many CF could hit that kind of shot.
He has great bat speed for a CF. I really hope Long can straighten him out.
Based on tools – he should be an perennial all star and one of the 3 best CF in all of baseball.
Straw, just do your best to look at this as nothing more than a snapshot in time. Things can turn around as quickly, as we’ve seen time and time again.
The Yankees are far too good a team to continue playing less-than-good ball.
It will definitely be fine.
Nice job Wood. Nice call HP umpire!
KevinP-
Post of the night!
Thanks CB. Alex recovered from his hip surgery and played well during the course of last year. How is 2010 different? Despite what everyone is saying, I still believe it was something to do with his hip injury from last year. Will he recover his old form after taking the winter off this offseason? Is that likely with tendinitis? Or will this become a recurring issue?
Tex is a very good player – he’s not a great player. Was he worth this kind of $$$ and years when for months at a time he disappears?
SJ, yeah OK, I said he’s made of glass. You want to take the chance? Well I don’t – he’s the only reliable starter we have.
The Rays were swept by Cleveland not too long ago.
The ebb and flow of the game. Get it.
“Is it worth considering demoting Cervelli and calling up Romine?”
No. Not at all. He’s not close to ready. He’s not in the position to play at the major league level.
I wanted the team in the off season to sign Zaun or Buck. I remember posting about this in the winter and no one was interested in the subject.
I was very concerned this would happen with Cervelli in terms of skill and Posada with injury.
Dearest New York Yankees Offense-
Ummm… please wake up. We need some hits here tonight. You are better than two big 0-fers in a row. So lets start slapping around this Detroit bullpen and start acting like the Bronx Bombers. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Sincerely Yours,
Erica
Wood has been fine……..
Romine is not close to being ready to play in the majors yet.
What they are going to have to do is play Posada 5 days a week behind the plate.
They can’t keep playing Cervelli everyday.
He can’t hit and he’s awful defensively.
CB,
That’s why I said earlier this evening that they are going to have to make more offensive changes this off-season than originally thought.
There are just too many guys who go too long without hitting.
It wouldn’t shock me if 3-4 new faces are in the everyday lineup next year.
In the meantime, they are just going to have to deal with a marginal offense the rest of the way and hope the pitching holds up.
I don’t think SJ44′s idea of pinch hitting CC is that crazy… To put it simply, at least CC can hit the ball out. Pena and Cervelli can’t/won’t.
Well, didn’t we have some walkoff, late-inning wins last year during Hope Week?
Early on the season people were right- they weren’t coming back in games because the bullpen wasn’t holding the deficits so they could fight and claw back.
For the last 3 or 4 weeks, the pen has been lights out almost every game and given them chance after chance, and they have simply not hit.
By this point, last season’s team had started going on a roll and taking control of its own destiny. This year’s team is still too inconsistent. They have no problem beating up on Cleveland, but they need to be able to find ways to pull out close games against decent teams.
It’s in their hands right now, but not for much longer if they continue to sputter.
There is one major difference between the Yankees and Rays: age.
What we are seeing from Jeter, A-Rod, and Posada may be all they have left as a result of age or injury, which are often age-related.
The lineup needs to go thru a re-shuffle again let’s be honest. Jeter has hurt them many times this year as everything is pretty much on the ground and he doesn’t walk enough to be a leadoff hitter. The double play tonight which killed the inning was a prime example. I am not saying he can’t get it together in spots, but he clearly is having a poor year and you need your leadoff hitter to get things started.
I still believe they can score two tonight. A bloop and a blast. Gardner works his way on and please no Jeter ground ball DP again.
Last time Yanks were shut out in back-to-back games was in 1999. We won the world series that year. Not to worry if it happens.
Come on CC’s not going to be hitting.
Hopefully Posada wakes up feeling well enough to catch tomorrow and hopefully Berk’s ankle is good enough to DH.
I know, it’s a longshot but they’re not going to make themselves look ridiculous with CC in the box against freaking Justin Verlander.
how can someone base their argument of our team by saying ” we have the best record in baseball”. The fact is, we have not won a series in a MONTH. Think about that for a second. What are yall going to say when the rays pass us? ” well we have the second best record”. That shows that you know nothing about the game. We might have the best record as of right now.. but the fact is that we have been a sub par .500 ball club for over a month now. These guys need to get their asses in gear before we ended up losing this division.
SJ is talking about tomorrow…………..or at least I thought he was. If it’s just one at bat, fine……..I thought he meant that he should DH tomorrow.
The Valverde clown is warming up…..
I side with those who remain optimistic but with a realistic twist. We miss the backup catcher that can throw out runners. We had Pudge but he didn’t hit for us…let’s try Montero.
“There is one major difference between the Yankees and Rays: age.”
That difference was there last year too…
I’m assuming SJ you mean bringing in Lee and Werth/Crawford. Another DH probably as well as a veteran back catcher with some pop or at least a decent batting average, and then who else? Those are only three new faces that I can think of. Where would the fourth come in?
The Rays lineup isn’t impressive but every offensive player on their roster besides Kapler contributes. Even Shoppach the back up catcher hitting .200 hit a grand slam the other day. They get hits here and there to help out. The Yanks have too many guys on the roster that don’t contribute or contribute very little.
if they don’t win tonight, tomorrow night my9 should give them 0-2 in the series.
SJ44-Reading my mind about using CC to hit.
Can’t really see how the Yankees can improve the offense next year from the everyday positional players as Jeter will be resigned, unless Granderson is traded. Upgrade at catcher will certainly be done, but more likely to be a defensive upgrade. If the Yankees sign Lee, Jeter, Mo, with the players due raises, the possibility of Pettitte returning, the luxury tax of everything over 176M next year, Hal will have to approve a 220 million dollar salary.
Vazquez lost 2-0 in May pitching against the Tigers.
Moeller has to be an upgrade on Cervelli at this point, right?
If Jorge can hack it, then he has to play……………but apparently he can’t or he’d be playing (unless Joe is being WAY too cautious).
Also – could they afford to sign Lee AND Crawford/Werth?
Actually, Cervelli’s offensive decline was entirely predictable.
He’s never been much of a hitter his entire minor league career and has never hit for power.
Which is why his future in NY is limited.
Montero, Romine and Sanchez all have higher upsides than Cervelli.
How can you flag age as the reason the Yankees are struggling but rays are winning tonight? Didn’t they just get out of a 5 game losing streak. Was it their youth that caused that then on the flip side? How old are Granderson, Tex, Swisher, Gardner, Cervelli, Cano? That’s 6 of the nine hitters in their prime or going into it.
Ghetto ,defensively yes -……………that’s why I think he should be called up. It really does seem as if Jorge is made of glass; he simply can’t catch.
SJ-
Changes will be made in the off season. IMO how extensive those will be is going to depend on what their honest evaluation is of Alex’s bat/ health, whether they feel like they can fix Granderson’s swing and how ready they think Montero’s bat is.
As a first step, they can stratify risk by making Gardner the 4th OF and getting a power hitting LF who can hit LH pitching.
Meant to add, do a Billy Martin and pick the nine players batting order out of a hat. Can’t be much worse than this.
Noncompetitive at bats over and over and over.
It’s NOT bad luck. It’s BAD PERFORMANCE.
Jeter is the 8th best hitter in this lineup every night on which Cervelli does not start. Last time I looked, the 8th best hitter in your lineup does not usually bat leadoff.
If you hit your weakest hitters at the top of the order, you’re going to have a hard time scoring runs. Jeter has killed so many rallies lately with his useless DP balls. He has hit almost 2/3 of his balls in play on the ground this year, and he is not a fast guy.
His power is virtually non existent, he has not hit a HR out of the ballpark since JUNE.
I think it’s readily apparent that this team isn’t championship quality.
KevinP, will you be my best friend? Man alive you rock.
OPS+
2009:
Alex: 147
Jeter: 132
Posada 133
2010:
Alex: 123
Jeter: 100
Posada: 122
Stuff happens to aging players.
How about the idea that Gardner completely overachieved the first half? He sure wouldn’t be the first one………………
Trisha- my mother, who passed in 2003, used to use that phrase “not to worry” all the time. Interesting choice if words by you. Sign from above? At any rate, it put me in a better mood.
just ONE big swing, they are right back to the game.
come on!
Just brilliant talk having CC hit…..maybe they can use him for a pinch runner too….How about just bring up Montero ?
“Montero, Romine and Sanchez all have higher upsides than Cervelli.”
Massively so.
“I think it’s readily apparent that this team isn’t championship quality.”
If you say their play of late hasn’t reflected championship quality, I can see that. I do think the team as comprised is championship quality.
A marathon, not a sprint.
It’s real easy. Trade Grandy. Sign Crawford. Montero Dh/C. But that’s next yr
Not that I was his biggest fan, but I guess how Gardner has been exposed?
I think Girardi is going to have to get tossed out of a game. That works sometimes. Can’t hurt.
I hope Tex crushes one against this dancing fool.
tex, time to earn the $80 gazillion that you make this year
Hey look at that a baserunner. Here comes the clown for a 4 out save. Yesterday they said Valverde was hurt but I guess against the Yanks this is a must win.
“How about just bring up Montero ?”
Take a look at how well 20 year old hitters do in their first season at the major league level.
It’s not pretty.
The best at bats lately have been coming from hitters cold off the bench- Thames, Kearns, etc.
When your best hitters, who have seen the pitcher 3 times are having weaker at bats than guys like Thames, that’s really suggestive. Sometimes it looks like guys are simply lacking in focus up there at the plate.
“Not that I was his biggest fan, but I guess how Gardner has been exposed?”
Unless it’s his thumb.
My magic 8 ball says….If Tex gets on, Pena will get a hit.
Tex going 2nd deck would be even better.
@Trisha. Let’s not be fooled by their record on aug 15. Anyone that has watched them
play all season realizes there is something missing.
Straw, my mom, who also passed, used it all the time also.
That made me cry. And my mom is the reason I’m a Yanks fan, so I definitely take it as a sign from above.
Thanks, mom. I love you and miss you.
I still love how everyone assumes that Montero is going to rake next year or even be merely good……….from all reports, he’s obviously raw. The Yankees had better have a better plan than depending on kid; with the lineup the way it is now and perhaps looks for the future, they need a lot more help.
Tex will definitely be swinging out of his shoes here
CB-
If they get a power hitting LF who hits lefties well, then it’s not Crawford, but maybe Werth. But if they sign Lee, thats a pretty heavy commitment.
Cashman didn’t let the offense stay pat after 2008… even though everyone said we would concentrate on pitching, he recognized our offense was just as culpable as our pitching and didn’t use the Posada/Matsui injuries as an excuse. He knew the offense needed to be beefed up to protect against aging bats.
I suspect he will do the same this year. If you are a WS contender, you don’t take so many risks and hope that 4 players (Posada, Jeter, ARod, Granderson) turn back the clock. Not to mention Gardner has yet to prove it for a full season (and has been below average since July) and we have no DH.
You cannot assume that the older players will bounce back… assuming that players in their mid/late 30s will have bounce back years is very dangerous. And I’m not sure they will take the risk of Granderson turning it around.
Bottom line, as SJ said, they need to overhaul the offense with 3-4 ABs. Can’t get rid of Jeter/ARod, but have to fortify what is around them.
@CB. How’s heyward doing? Stanton? Didn’t Miggy have a big yr helping Fla to a WS? Young guys can step right up n hit
Rich, I also agree with CB about Tex…………but I’ve been saying this all along. He worries me……….this is a guy we have for 7 more years. Ouch.
“@Trisha. Let’s not be fooled by their record on aug 15. Anyone that has watched them
play all season realizes there is something missing.”
Ace, I don’t agree. It’s easy to feel that way when the team has been slumping, but a team that hasn’t had three losses in a row all season has been doing something right.
Who cares if Montero hits .260 with 5 HR? That’s still better than what Cervelli provides game in and game out.
Montero can be better than Cervelli even if he doesn’t produce as he is capable of doing, and if he does? He can energize this team and really lengthen the lineup.
How can you not do it? The worst that happens is he does better than what they have, and the best he does is completely transform the dynamic of the team, a la Miguel Cabrera in 2003 for the Marlins.
They shouldn’t bother throwing Tex a strike with Pena on deck.
# Phranchise August 16th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
How can you flag age as the reason the Yankees are struggling but rays are winning tonight? Didn’t they just get out of a 5 game losing streak. Was it their youth that caused that then on the flip side? How old are Granderson, Tex, Swisher, Gardner, Cervelli, Cano? That’s 6 of the nine hitters in their prime or going into it.
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You gotta remember, it’s always cooler and sexier to rag on the team you root for and praise your competition. Such is the life of a FANatic.
Tex be patient…
Betsy
Teix is the least of their worries right now.
Y pitch to Tex??
Why are we ripping on Gardner all of a sudden? He’s 6 for his last 14 which is a ton better than most of these other guys. Jorge has been down right awful for a while right in the heart of the order. Cervelli’s bat is awful. Jeter leading off. Grandy until recently. Gardner is no where the fault here and if he is overachieving the same could be said of Swisher and maybe Cano? Who keeps up the paces they were all on. The whole point being you assumed Jeter, Arod and Tex would all come on at some point. Arod only in spots. Jeter not at all. And Tex has been much better.
That said, I don’t think it’s the thumb………………why all of a sudden? No, I think this could just be who he is.
Hack at this 3-0
I think Thames may be playing 3B in the ninth.
@Matt, while i like to see more of Gardner hitting 1st because of his speed and his patient approach.
JETER is leading the league in run score . lately, This is has been a team effort with bad AB and plate approaches combo with dead weigh like Cervelli and Pena’s daily appearance in this lineup hurting the flow the lineup with less power.
“That said, I don’t think it’s the thumb………………why all of a sudden? No, I think this could just be who he is.”
It’s not. Check his stats before and after June 8th.
There is no magic pill (Montero) that is going to save us this year.
We’re going to sink or swim with the guys out there right now. Have to pray the pitching is dominant and they can get hot for 11 games in the fall. All you can do at this point. Hard to be confident going into the playoffs with what we’ve seen from the offense. They can’t even seem to put a good series together lately.
@Trisha. Every team has flaws. Not like they aren’t favs. But this team is missing something. Don’t get big hits. Don’t get runners in from 3rd. SP has 1 reliable starter. Better competition.
Don’t think anyone has classified Montero as raw? where did you read that? Everything they say is his bat is MLB ready now, he just can’t catch. He won’t automatically hit up here, few do, but from all accounts he can hit any pitch and hits with power even when he is off balance.
How great would it be to have Pena hit a single?
Its too bad that we have to dream about that, huh?
tirsh-
a team that has not won a series in over a month is doing nothing right.
Quit focusing on the great early start this team had… bc they have played like shit since the allstar break.
Not much of a decision, Kay.
Rich, that’s true…… I really don’t know what the Yankees are going to do. Even if they assume Jeter is done, they aren’t going to not re-sign him……..and I’m not ready to assume he’s done, but he could be declining (or not). Jorge? Better chance he’s done……….but he’ll be gone after next year anyway. Alex? Huge issue …….he’s not OLD, but he’s getting older. Does he need the hip surgery? Maybe.
For a sec I thought Joe was sending up that batboy.
“Actually, Cervelli’s offensive decline was entirely predictable.
He’s never been much of a hitter his entire minor league career and has never hit for power. ”
You’re nothing if not smug, SJ.
However, I do remember you giving him kudos when he was doing well. I guess you just klind of blow with the wind, hey? Not that there’s anything wrong with that!
Who is playing 3rd in the 9th inning?? Cervelli?
No more Marcus Thames at third base ever…… please…..
Isn’t Gardner 6 for his last 14?
That makes him the hottest hitter on the team right now.
This is why Girardi held off hitting for Cervelli earlier.
one swing we win the game
Betsy
They have no choice but to rely on Jeter, Alex, and Po again next season.
They need to add two bats as insurance.
Come on Thames.
Please?
The MelkMan Delivers!!!!
Matt August 16th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
Who cares if Montero hits .260 with 5 HR? That’s still better than what Cervelli provides game in and game out.
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the big question is whether or not he can CATCH, and yes , as bad as Cervelli’s been defensively Montero can be worse.
since almost any major league average represents an upgrade over Cervelli, It makes sense for a waiver deal for another catcher.
Melky delivered a walkoff for Atlanta.
Rich, is that when he was hurt? If that’s the case, the Yankees should have gotten his thumb fixed and traded for an OF………….
Who cares if the team hasn’t lost more than 2 in a row many times this season? Winning 2, losing 2, winning 2, losing 1, winning 1, losing 2 like they are doing isn’t working either.
This team is not a dominant team, regardless of how good their record is. They let too many games slip through the cracks, and they are far more vulnerable than last year’s team come October since they are so inconsistent.
This team could get hot come October and destroy the league, or they could continue their inconsistent season and get eliminated. No matter how good their record is, nobody who has watched this team on an everyday basis can say with a straight face that they feel as confident in this club’s chances of winning it all as they did last year. If you said anything else, you’d be lying.
just a base hit Thames…get Robbie up there.
Let’s go Thames!!!
Anyone find Valverde extra annoying and his stupid celebrations are pretty much that. Do Tigers fans get a kick out of them you think? He just looks ridiculous.
We most certainly have a DH next year.
His name is Jorge Posada.
Betsy
Yes, against Millwood.
I don’t know if that’s the cause or a cause, but it might be a contributing factor.
Tabbert, as my wonderful dad always used to say, you jig your way, I’ll jig mine.
I still say the Yankees will turn it around. Perhaps they’ll apologize to you for “playing like sh*t” since the ASB!
I was out there alone last season too predicting the Yankees would take it all, even when they were 0-8 against the Sux.
Guess I have more faith in the team than you do. It’s allowed.
Phranchise, I’m just saying that people are depending on Montero to provide some kind of youthful lift next year and I don’t think that’s a good idea. There’s already too much uncertainly in that lineup……….
Swung at ball four.
oh geez, that’s a BALL
Ball 4….dang.
Damn, another pathetic scoreless inning.
Rich, you’re right, they have no choice………….scary. I think Jeter will be ok, but Jorge ? Not so much. Alex? If he’s healthy, yes…………..
Is Werth really that good? They should just have gone for Holliday……..
Actually Trisha, try being accurate for a change.
When Randy and I discussed his flaws you shouted from the rooftops how wrong we were.
You wouldn’t listen to anybody who discussed the flaws in his game.
Turns out, we were right.
He’s a limited player. Always has been, always will be.
Now, he’s a limited player that is hurting the team with his play.
If this team doesn’t feel like playing, maybe they should just take the next week or two off.
Forfeit every game.
Stop wasting our time.
Erica in NY August 16th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
No more Marcus Thames at third base ever…… please…..
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Lets be honest…Thames on third will be the most exciting thing about this game.
That’s been the story of the Yankee offense, get men on base then nothing.
These two past games have been horrendous to watch. You begin to feel that the Yanks could be beat by a little league pitcher with the way their offense has fallen off.
matt-
you are right on man. I also don’t think that anyone in baseball fears this team like they did last years team. I dunno if its a hangover from winning it all or what but one thing is for sure… this is not a championship team right now. I sure hope they get it together or they are going to remember how harsh the media in NY can be. These guys have been living one easy street lately and been getting a pass for just about everything just bc of last season.
Betsy
I want Crawford unless he prices himself out.
I like Holliday, but that’s water under the bridge.
Every time Valverde got into a bad count, I said “here comes the splitter.” Every time, without fail, he threw the splitter. Every time, without fail, our brilliant hitters swung out of their shoes looking for his fastball.
When the guy’s go to pitch is the split, and he doesn’t look like he trusts his fastball, maybe you have to wake up and alter our approach? This team sometimes looks like they left their brains at home.
They have no choice but to rely on Jeter, Alex, and Po again next season.
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You’re actually only 2/3 correct with this.
Crap. Pena coulda done that.
I wouldn’t call this mop-up duty for Joba, as someone has said…
Crawford is a consistent contact hitter. He makes the lineup more circular. There are plenty enough sluggers on this team. They need to do their jobs.
I was going to say hopefully no one hits the ball to 3rd but it’s not like it matters this lineup isn’t scoring a run in the 9th anyway.
You mean that I have to look at Cervelli at third and see him groundout in the 9th.
I think the fact of the matter is Jorge cannot do much this year and can be counted on less next year. But simple fact is he will be here. If Montero can hit, which he apparently can, it makes sense to have him up next year. You have seen what happens carrying two catchers and how bad the bench is trying to carry three with two being defensive guys. Montero could learn to catch from the veterans. He and Posada could alternate at DH since they can both hit. And if Montero started a game, Jorge could DH and you have Cervelli to come in later in games to spell Montero behind the plate if he is that bad. Ultimately Yankees need to trade him or decide he can’t catch. He is crushing AAA last few months so not sure he needs more time facing AAA hitting. Then it’s just catching. And he has DH a lot down there this year.
This game is poised for a Yankees walkoff. Beginning of Hope Week, looking lifeless all game, then eruption in the 9th inning to win!
I’ve said it before, but this is 2008 all over again………………
“You’re actually only 2/3 correct with this. ”
Even if he is declining, offense/defense, he would be tough to replace relative to other SS, but if they give him more than 3 years, they’re nuts.
I think tonight’s comments have me convinced that even if this team wins the world series it won’t be good enough. They need to sweep and crush the opponent and have each game out of hand by the 6th inning.
All those workouts at 3rd paying off for Cisco.
Why not bat for cervilli with thames a couple of innings ago with second and third?? I am sure that has been mentioned
PHranchise, I can’t disagree with you. I’m sure Montero will be a big part of their plans………….what a disappointment, that we now have to revamp the whole team
Can you say “tied for first”.. Tampa comes back on Texas and Yanks have 3 outs left to make something of this.
From what I’m seeing, Montero can’t be that much worse than Cervelli defensively. He’s throwing out runners at a very good rate down in AAA, and most of his passed balls happened early in the season. If his arm is better than Cervelli’s right now, then he can’t be that much worse defensively, given that Cervelli is making actual errors on defense.
“When Randy and I discussed his flaws you shouted from the rooftops how wrong we were. ”
I know, you were aghast that I would agree with Girardi over you and Randy.
SJ, I don’t take my counsel from you. I take my counsel from the Yankees. Just the way it is.
Joba!
keithlaw: Yanks agreed to terms with Evan Rutckyj, 16th-round pick
“I think tonight’s comments have me convinced that even if this team wins the world series it won’t be good enough. They need to sweep and crush the opponent and have each game out of hand by the 6th inning.”
My pom poms are at the cleaners. Sorry.
At least bad Joba showed up in a hopeless game.
and joba puts the final nail in the coffin for this dead team.
Just. awesome.
that should do it.
wonder when cashman will finally do his job and call up montero.
i don’t give a bleep how bad his defense is
this is too funny.. When it rains, it pours.. Come on Joba
slider strikes again!
now hit the buffet line pls.
i can see this team missing the playoffs completely
Actually, pitching in the 9th inning down 2 runs isn’t primary duty and Joba shows why he’s no longer the prime setup guy by putting the game out of reach.
Of course aanother bs stadium homerun…
good night all. it should be an interesting September.
Again, Joba refuses to throw his fastball inside on a right handed hitter.
“BUT WAIT, HE DIDN’T HIT A STRIKE HOW CAN YOU BE UPSET????”
Well guess what, when you don’t make a hitter think about both sides of the plate, he is going to lean out there and hit pitches like that one Cabrera just hit out. It wasn’t a strike, but he can hit that pitch if he doesn’t have to worry about getting locked up by an inside fastball.
That was an impressive homerun. Not a smart pitch, but not an awful pitch either. Cabrera is just a monster hitter..
That wasn’t really a bad pitch from Joba….Cabrera flipped the bat and muscled it over the short porch….not sure what you do there.
Aaaand that’s the dagger.
“How’s heyward doing? Stanton? Didn’t Miggy have a big yr helping Fla to a WS? Young guys can step right up n hit”
When Miggy Cabrera came up as a 20 year old he up up a .793 OPS and that was with having 87 games to get used to the big league level.
He struggled – but what most people remember was how he got hot at the very end of the season.
I’ve looked at what players who debuted in their age 20 seasons have done. It’s not that great.
And nearly all players who do come up at 20 are special just like montero is.
And that’s they ones who don’t even have to bear the responsibility of catching.
Montero is very unlikely to give them more than what Berkman/ Thames will.
This is just so depressing.
Not that that run means anything, the Yankees will be shut out again.
# Bret The Hitman August 16th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
Crawford is a consistent contact hitter. He makes the lineup more circular. There are plenty enough sluggers on this team. They need to do their jobs.
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Bret, when you have less power than before, logically hitters are more dependent on each other to score runs. hence , the fluidity of the lineup becomes more and more vital because of that.
Having Cervelli on every other day basis , gravely hinder the circular nature of this lineup.
as well as having Pena as the only backup option, where you are not even getting below average major league offense to boot.
Hurts the team in tangible ways (run score ) and Intangilble ( how pitcher approaches to hitter before cervelli and pena)
I dont see how a team with so much talent can go on such a prolonged slump. Chemistry has to be a part of it. Something is just missing…
It was the recurring problem with Joba. He doesn’t throw inside, so hitters keep looking away.
SJ44 August 16th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
Actually, pitching in the 9th inning down 2 runs isn’t primary duty and Joba shows why he’s no longer the prime setup guy by putting the game out of reach.
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Agree how can he be trusted…. He Is like 4 th in the set-up man pecking order
as if 2 runs down aren’t challenging enough
Cant blame Joba for that. A pitch out of the strike zone off the end of the bat of a Steroid freak Cabrera. Bad luck.
Just watched the Toms River, NJ Little Leaguers win; they are heading for Williamsport…..
I think their pitcher could have shut down the Yankees line-up with his 67 mph fastball.
At least the Rays won tonight! There’s some positive news!
Cabrera is a monster. It’s not an accident that he’s second in the league in both Avg and RBI.
NYY626 – Andy in 2011 August 16th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Erica in NY August 16th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
No more Marcus Thames at third base ever…… please…..
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Lets be honest…Thames on third will be the most exciting thing about this game.
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Are you kidding??
I would make the Johnny Damon standing ovation the play of the game
This is not 2008. This team would beat 2008 team in 9 of 10 games. Would you rather have DeSalvo, Ponson, Rasner, Pudge, Farnsworth and Abreu back?
The Yanks let the Royals only power guy in Butler beat them in 2 games so why not let Cabrera beat you here? Makes sense… Cabrera shouldn’t of seen anything to hit. Just like how Tex was pitched to.
joba gave up a cheap hr, nothing you can do about it.
i blame cashman for keeping like guys like cervilli catch
And Scott Procter? I forgot him.
If Joba misses inside on Miggy it’s probably going a lot farther than that shot.
I’m talking about the offense…………putrid
0-6 with RISP
Even tonight, chance after chance, and nothing.
You can’t keep tipping your caps to the pitchers every night, this is the American League and only last place losing teams like Seattle score nothing and expect to win.
You don’t take counsel from the Yankees Trisha.
If you did, you wouldn’t rip Posada as much as you do since the Yankees, from Cashman on down, feel he is one of the most indispensible guys on the team and say it all the time.
Funny how you reject that “counsel”.
“Actually, pitching in the 9th inning down 2 runs isn’t primary duty and Joba shows why he’s no longer the prime setup guy by putting the game out of reach.”
Actually that wasn’t a bad pitch SJ. Joba didn’t put the game out of reach.
Well the pen, outside of Joba, was great again…………. thanks Joba
if you think tonight’s game is fun tomorrow night with verlander will be even more entertaining
Betsy true, but think about the Red Sox. They couldn’t replace Varitek for years and still haven’t found one as I assume V Mart will not be back for the money he wants. SS the same issue. They couldn’t figure out much. They are revamping the whole team. The Yankees don’t need to revamp. Granderson is swinging better and could have a Swisher like second year. I mean the guy was an allstar and isn’t old. Gardner has played well. He would be a fourth OF if you could get Crawford. Tex and Cano are not old. You can easily see in next few years Tex Cano Arod or Cano Tex Arod 3-4-5. Arod will still be productive. Jeter is the one who is really bothering me. You cannot have him leadoff like this and his range at SS was better last year, but not good this year. His speed is pretty much gone for stealing bases. He needs to accept a reduced role on this team for them to be successful. Same with Jorge. They will struggle the same way Bernie did in fighting it. They will show flashes of greatness I am sure, but consistency over a full year is simply gone. Luckily the Yankess have at least 5 legit catching prospects quite a few who can hit. And they have a few SS with some potential depending on how good Culver is, but Nunez has some bat at AAA. And as always pitching is the key. CC, Hughes, AJ and if they pick up Lee is a great staff to start. Then they have a bunch of minor leaguers or sign a veteran for the 5th spot assuming Andy is done. I am not worries about the Yankees future. Rays will lose Crawford and Pena at least next year. Sox are getting older and Beckett and Lackey look like shadows of themsleves along with Nomo, I mean Dice K. Lester and Bucholz are what they can hang their hat on.
“If Joba misses inside on Miggy it’s probably going a lot farther than that shot.”
Not if it hits him. Move hitters off the freakin’ plate. Remember what he once did to Youkilis? What happened to that mindset?
Preview of post game:
“You’ve got to tip your cap”
-Jeter
“Just turn the page”
-Girardi
“I’ve just got to make my pitches”
-Chamberlain
JOBA :
AGAIN !!!!
0-2 count and CAN’T put anyone away !!!
Time & time again !!!
Originally thought he had that “Roger Clemens” mean streak in him – to stomp on a batter’s neck with 2 strikes….
now he’s just Kei Igawa, just in the major leagues…
No guts.
Completely neutered.
TWEET THIS JACK CURRY: Mickey Mantle played hurt every day and was taped on both legs each and every day.
Captain Clutch,
Interesting point you raise. With the way Boesch was hitting, the Rays consistently walked Cabrera at bat after at bat just to not face him, and the Tigers barely mustered any offense in that series against them.
Maddon said he was even willing to intentionally walk Cabrera to force home the tying run in a game just to not have to face him. Not that it’s the right move to do that either, but just goes to show you what teams think about the rest of their lineup around him.
Erica – the standing ovation was ruined by the doofy haircut lol.
Also, not sure if this was posted but everyone should watch this. I hate this game tonight but I still love the yankees
http://www.nydailynews.com/vid.....0CUXaIHPPi
“If you did, you wouldn’t rip Posada as much as you do since the Yankees, from Cashman on down, feel he is one of the most indispensible guys on the team and say it all the time.”
Everyone knows that this team’s success has always risen and fallen on what Posada does.
Will Jorge swing first pitch or take strike 3? Sad but that’s all I think of when he comes up. Just like Jeter hitting a ground ball.
Valverde has the strangest arm action. He short arms the ball like a catcher.
here is wherte we score two and lose because of the homerun.
Set the table for cervalli and his zero home runs
I really hope the homerun isn’t the difference in this game. Then again the Yanks would actually have to score 2 runs for that to happen.
Valverde doesn’t seem to have much tonight. They let him get away with it by chasing his garbage in the 8th, and hopefully they will make him pay for it here in the 9th instead of going quietly into the night.
Ah swing first pitch, excellent choice.
Rich
Agreed. We saw what happened without him in 2008. Although we had no pitching staff, essentially.
And swing pitch #2 as well. Way to work yourself on.
“If you did, you wouldn’t rip Posada as much as you do since the Yankees, from Cashman on down, feel he is one of the most indispensible guys on the team and say it all the time.
Funny how you reject that “counsel”.”
Since I don’t see you as someone intentionally deceptive, I would say that your inability to deal with the Yankees losing games has affected your memory since what you’ve have just said is a total crock of sh*t.
Find some posts where I’ve ripped Posada or button it. You were so inconsolable that anyone would want Cervelli to catch that you couldn’t see straight. I continued to say that Posada was indespensible to the team because of his hitting. I’ve never needed to drink your kool aid to feel validated here.
Oh yeah, and Giambi instead of Tex? Enough with this 2008 nonsense.
And as soon as I say that, Posada helps him out on a garbage splitter in the dirt that never even started close to the strike zone.
Good thing the turtle didn’t hit into a dp
jorge a disgrace.
he walks cano on 4 pitches and you start hacking.
I dont know why he went up there swinging at both pitches???
Valverde just walked a guy on 4 pitches. He may not have control tonight, damn it!
3 runs might as well be 10. Don’t know why they are wasting Valverde. They can use Brad Thomas or Rhinestone and still get us 1-2-3.
SJ has been right on the money – this offense needs to be revamped this winter. As far as this year, not much we can do. Hope they can hit a couple of solo HRs and our pitchers throw gems every time out.
Almost every yankee dynasty has been built around a plus hitting catcher, particularly catchers with power.
It’s one of the great themes in yankee history.
“jorge a disgrace.”
Stop embarrassing yourself.
“Cant blame Joba for that.”
really?
RSM August 16th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
Preview of post game:
“You’ve got to tip your cap”
-Jeter
“Just turn the page”
-Girardi
“I’ve just got to make my pitches”
-Chamberlain
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That post made my night!!!
Also javy:
” I feel good about my performance, something to buid on”
You don’t pitch Cabrera, a guy who can reach the short porch easily, on the outer half when you are ahead of count.
You play to his strengths when you do that. It was poor pitch in that situation.
You pitch him in and keep him in the bigger part of the ballpark.
3 runs down, when you haven’t scored in 18 innings is putting the game out of reach.
If you keep it at 2, you put one guy on, the tying run comes to the plate.
Its why Joba is no longer the primary setup guy anymore. Too many mental lapses on the mound.
thanks jorge loser.
now here comes a game ended dp
shit head is up
Cervelli dp.
yes… velli with the chance to tie again.
i don’t believe it. Granderson the hit machine
Grandy stinks and is garbage isn’t he?
Oh no. Francisco. I wanna cry
And guess who comes up as the tying run?
Curtis is just real compact right now. He’s so direct and short to the ball.
His hand speed is really being unleashed right now.
Oh my god a hitter who sat on his splitter and hit it! Miraculous!
Cervelli could really help the team here by finding a way to get on base! A walk or anything!
So much shorter, so much more simple. Nice swing again by Granderson there.
Nice, Granderson!
Not that Cervelli will do anything, except maybe hit into a DP, but at least Granderson’s bat looks a little better.
Frankie needs to buy himself some neck space for that noose.
HR please.
Nice hit by Granderson. Great overmatched Cervelli again….
Uhh, that Extra run really hurts now. A double would tie it.
i don’t like Jorge running in front of Curtis here..
PATIENCE PATIENCE PATIENCE
He’s all over the place
# Ken Phelps August 16th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
RSM August 16th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
Preview of post game:
“You’ve got to tip your cap”
-Jeter
“Just turn the page”
-Girardi
“I’ve just got to make my pitches”
-Chamberlain
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That post made my night!!!
Also javy:
” I feel good about my performance, something to buid on”
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gold
Can’t walk cervalli can you?
Cervelli better takes here unless it’s a cookie. He needs to try and walk since he can’t hit.
Cervelli is a dangerous hitter, Valverde is obviously avoiding him.
Just beat this guy, he is soooooo annoying to watch pitch
no
joba lost the 8 inning job.
cause he didn’t throw strikes and threw the ball down the pipe and got smoked.
in this stadium.
cheap hr happen
Take three pitches.
dont help him out.
“Almost every yankee dynasty has been built around a plus hitting catcher, particularly catchers with power.”
And I have always paid total hommage to Posadas offense. In fact, I’m on record as saying he is one of the most clutch players on the team. I just wasn’t crazy about his defense.
Take 2 strikes maybe three
LOL @ RSM!! too funny! haha
Cervelli has to take 2 here.
Oh please throw Ball 4.
take take take.
take pitches
Maybe we can hope for a walk.
Now take another pitch….
“So much shorter, so much more simple. Nice swing again by Granderson there.”
Very encouraging. And that was after 2 days with Long.
If they continue to work on things in the off season he’s only going to get better.
He has so much talent.
Amazing the Tigers never tried to help him iron out his swing.
Flaherty- absolutely.
How can you walk Cervelli? The way he is throwing the Posada at bat angers me more. He got himself out.
Good AB!
Whoa!
Take your base he is not trying to hit you
Hey look they have a shot.
all right, Tigers try hard to give away this game?
take it!
and he got one out cause jorge hacked like a bleep
ahhahahahah. oh man.
i know this is unlikely, but jeter has not been pied yet.
Valverde is pysched out by the potential fist pump!
Lord Helmet prevails in this epic battle!
Valverde has very poor throwing mechanics.
He short arms the ball and has ridiculous recoil.
When he loses his command he really loses it because his mechanics go out of wack.
Gardner could really help the team here by finding a way to get on base! A walk or anything!
I was hoping for Berkman to do a Kirk Gibson.
Phranchise, ok good points. I’m not as down on Jeter as you are………and I agree, I would not give up on Granderson. Howevr, what’s up with the poor at bats now by Cano, Swish, Tex, etc…? Just a slump? Something to be concerned with?
As to the Sox, Lester and Buchholz are a pretty good duo to hang their hats on
Maybe Gradner can actually find some early in the season magic….
Gardner?
Hey you never know… RAlly in their bones I hate that expression
Let’s go Gardner.
Make him throw strikes.
Gardner has to be aggressive if he gets a fastball
this is gardners specialty. take pitches.
Guys, please ask how Cervelli got David Wright’s glove.
Go Gardner!!!!
Take a strike no?
now you can see how big the run Joba gave up is.
Valverde has lost his release point.
Wouldn’t a granny be sweet.
CB,
I’m not ready to give up on him. Aside from Alex’s monster game he’s probably been the Yankee’s best hitter since the swing changes. If he can continue this then it could really be big if/when the rest of the team starts hitting. Its a small sample as we’ve said but certainly something to be happy about.
What does this guy do, take coffee breaks between each pitch?
NYY626,
Thanks for posting that.
Something about seeing Swish do a cannonball makes one feel better.
The kid looked great too.
Posada.
yankees really need to score. not just for tonight, but for the next games too.
Yeah they can keep Lester and Bucholz, I’ll take CC Lee and Hughes. Aj can hang out with Beckett and Lackey.
I hope you are higher on Jeter than me. He may be up in the biggest spot of all. A double play and I might actually cry.
“now you can see how big the run Joba gave up is.”
Give it up. Cabrera knows how to hit the ball.
Good thing Posada actually used his brain here…Leave the clown in there…
Come on, walk in a run, at least they get on the board.
Smart move by Posada.
The last thing you want to do is get thrown out at home in that situation.
Take 2 strikes
And poor at bats come when teams are struggling.
Working in YES-mo, that’s about the funniest thing Kay has said.
Take at least 2
Probably gotta take again here.
I would take again
walk!!!
mr double play is up!
Finally showing some signs of life… Would be nice for a walk-off. Jeter’s overdue for a pie.
Another good AB.
Come on, Derek!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another good AB.
Come on, Derek!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on Jete….little base hit.
There’s one.
Please no DP Derek.
Here you go Betsy. Let’s see if Jeter can turn the season around. He has been awful in these spots.
A RUN!
no dp jeter.
Valverde really is a mess out there.
Each pitch is thrown from a different release point.
no DP please , Capt, Gapper!
Jeter could really help the team here by finding a way to get on base! A walk or anything!
Whatever happens here, no name calling.
Here comes Jeter and his 1 million dp’s..
ok, one single from captain we tie this baby
Trisha you can’t defend job a right now just give it a rest
YES! The Yankees have a run! WOOHOO! They are knockin’ em dead now.
Come on Jetes, just a hit or a walk.
jeter needs a pie. i want to see how he takes it.
Speed on the bases
Doesn’t matter if he knows how to hit the ball or not. That was a big run in this game.
Cabrera knowing how to hit doesn’t excuse the run in that situation.
dont help…… take pitches.
Jeter has to be patient. No early swinging dp’s.
gotta take til you get a strike here.
Yikes. Do not slap at it and go the other way. Try to crush a fastball if you swing.
PLEASE NO DP
What if the pitcher’s spot comes up
Can’t believe how many fans left the building. Could be missing a big “w”
May have been ball 3? Too aggressive
wish Jeter would short porch one here.
dont K… come on….
Damn Jeter way to help out, that was ball 3.
You have to feel good about what is happening right now, no matter what.
That was ball 3
there is nobody left. I think. Joba hits.
# Ken Phelps August 16th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
What if the pitcher’s spot comes up
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Send CC up.
That was a pitch well suited for Jeter’s swing. It looked like a strike as it was.
No high chase please. I bet he tries to climb the ladder. Jeter always chases those. Or he will go away like the 4th pitch
They could probably fit a commercial in between each pitch.
it’s moments like this makes me love baseball.
omg, this pitcher is WILD!
We won’t be seeing much of Valverde for the rest of this series.
Oh, man….
Enough. Seriously, enough.
Sigh
LOL, double play!!!!!
nuff said.
Damn
oh my god. that was the worst.
I wish that hadn’t happened.
OUCH!!! DP
Captain DP. Great job there.
Not a leadoff hitter anymore.
Nice take out by Gardner. I hope Guillen is out for the season with an injury.
Jeter was out, but another close call goes against us.
Capt tip his hat once again! i am ready for another 100 million contract next year.
Great hitting tonight, Captain.
Massive suckatude from the Captain.
Ugh.
you may have heard a scream from LA….that was me.
wow, yanks fail to get a big hit… what a shocker
yeesh with the double plays…
f.u jeter, he deserves to hit 9th
you have to be kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What happened to him? He is the complete opposite of clutch now that it is sickening as a huge jeter fan.
Jeter sucks tonight.
You have to be fking kidding me.
Just an absolutely awful offensive baseball team right now with no end in sight.
Gonna be a tough final six weeks to make the playoffs with no offense.
Ugh
Captain groundout… who called it???
This guy
Sleep well tonight Derek Jeter.
Captain Ground Out. Nuff said.
That was dreadful. Jeter is the worse lead off hitter in baseball. He swung at ball 3 and 4 and then of course is too slow to beat out a dp.
Deep breaths.
Deep breaths.
he’s getting older, 3 yrs/33m should do the trick, nothing more.
Captain gidp again. God. Can you not hit it into thie air for once this year?!?
Double Play Derek strikes again!
jeter is so clutch. another dp. oops! can’t criticize captain saint “jeet” on this board. my bad.
crossing my fingers and just hope he accepts a hometown discount of $100M/4 yr after season
So sick of Jeter. Always hear about how clutch he is. Well he hasn’t been in years.
I say they turn it around tomorrow.
Night all!
Predictible, the captain hits a roller to the shortstop for inning ending doubleplay
Yankees have to be wondering how they will justify paying jeter $20 M next year.
home record is 14-14 over the last 28. nothing like defending home court
Lay off Jeter. Until any of you can play better than him, shut the hell up. I believe he has earned the right to disappoint on occasion, as Mo has.
Jeter is H O R R I B L E!!!!!!!!!!!!
And he wants a five or six year contract. Good luck.
just one game. we’ll get to verlander tomorrow.
He should have Rudy Stein-ed it on Ball 3.
Oh well………..not much else to say.
Jeter’s AB always has to come when there’s a rally in progress. Not even a sac fly. What kind of pitches is he hitting for that to happen, anyway?
Gotta tip your cap…we ran out of innings…its a long season. Jeter please just shut up until you can remotely resemble the player you used to be.
Free agent SS in the off-season:
JJ Hardy
Jhonny Peralta
Alex Gonzalez
Christian Guzman
And Captain DP!
Guy had better be willing to give the Yankees a discount, or his awful season may mean he’s not coming back.
Hmmm
Even the filter seems to be mad about that double play.
tomorrow I am sure My9 will strike again.
Cash – give Jeter a one year deal – two max – if he walks too bad – he is not worth $19M the way he is playing $19 is more like it
I mean the guy is no where close and jeter refuses to be patient!!! Drives you crazy that 2-1 pitch was two feet outside changed the who,e at bat
Jeter is showing that he’s on the wrong side of 30. Be nice if he hit the ball in the air once.
Well Betsy I remain extremely down on Jeter . That was simply awful.
You can’t live on former glories forever. Valverde was gasping for air and what does Jeter do…kill the rally like he’s being doing all year. He’s so bad i want to puke.
i have to agree. i cannot imagine that jeter will argue for $20M after this display.
If you think this team wins last year without him, you weren’t watching.
No surprise at all that DJ hits into another DP. It is what he does.
Time for Joe to change the lineup and if it hurts feelings so be it. They are fortunate the RS have had so many injuries otherwise they are not a playoff team.
Cash need to spend more money?
Oh please with the Jeter hate – this whole team stinks right now; blaming him is beyond stupid. Great, so they decide to rally when 99.9 % of the game is gone – sorry, not impressed.
Tied for first now. Hooray for the team(s) in baseball.
Captain Groundout is finished.
At this point, the Marco Scutero contract should be the baseline for Jeter, because that is basically what we are getting production-wise.
It’s sad seeing how much he has declined. Every big spot is a DP.
Valverde is so lame too, what a tool bag.
This team doesn’t have it this yr. We all see it.
What was Jeets thinking there? The guy couldn’t throw consecutive strikes to save himself… ugh. Situation didn’t call for aggressive swinging…
Ok Phranchise, that’s your right…………………..this game is on the whole team, NOT just Jeter.
This was Brian Heyman once again. I didnt mention that dreaded name once tonight in hopes that Red Sox fan Heyman wouldnt get his wish, but it did not work.
How many more days off is Chad going to have??? Where in the heck are Sam or Josh, or even Carp??
Why is this Red Sox fan allowed to continue doing game posts?
yeah, at this point i would definite give jeter 2/20 or he can take a walk.
I could care less about where he gets his 3000 hits.
Jeter 17 DP’s so far this year- 18 all of last year.
Jeter isn’t finished, but he is killing them in the leadoff spot, and they are fools if they don’t face that. It’s not fair to the fans who they charge big bucks to keep pretending otherwise.
To be fair, Jeter only swung at strikes. Jeter did not “bail” out Valverde. But he can’t get a ball in the air to save his life. Nobody is even close to him in GB to FB ratio.
Its not just Jeter.
The entire team has stopped hitting and its been that way for awhile now.
With Arod and Swisher most likely out tomorrow and Verlander pitching, that’s not exactly good news for a struggling offense.
The entire lineup, top to bottom, can’t hit. That ain’t good this late into the season.
Really bad two losses
Seriously when did Jeter turn into Vlad at the plate? He was never this bad. I love how you used to hear about Cano’s strike zone everyday but no one says anything about Jeter. He will swing at anything his bat can reach and he has no speed to beat the ground balls out. Gardner took Guillen out and old man Jeter still couldn’t beat it out. He should be batting 7th. He does nothing at the top of this lineup.
Seriously, you guys wouldn’t criticize Mo like this.
# Betsy August 16th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Oh please with the Jeter hate – this whole team stinks right now; blaming him is beyond stupid. Great, so they decide to rally when 99.9 % of the game is gone – sorry, not impressed.
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If someone else hit into a DP right there, they would be getting killed too. It’s not really Jeter hate.
Joel Sherman hit the nail on the head in his blog:
Perhaps we need to re-assess the notion of Jeter as a clutch player – at least this older version of Jeter.
He is hitting .273 this year with runners in scoring position, .250 with men on base and .091 with the bases loaded. Last season, it was .259 with runners in scoring position, .291 with men on and .231 with the bases loaded.
No wonder Jeter has never had a pie in the face…he’s always got egg all over it. For the love of God go now.
Stop with the Brian Hayman nonsense.
Its dumber than your umpire conspiracies.
If you want to know why you lose a baseball game, Jeter’s two double plays killed both the innings they had a chance to score. He is their leadoff hitter. It’s the same thing if Aord had 30 rbis batting cleanup. You aren’t getting the job done you should not be batting there. For those that killed Arod two years ago for not coming up in the clutch and dps, how is this any different???? How do we have gardner who has i believe the highest obp on the team and the most speed sitting batting 9th and Jeter batting 1st. It makes no sense.
Jeter made the last out but the offense as a whole was to blame.
It was uniformly atrocious except for Granderson.
This game never should have depended on a 9th inning rally.
Mark Teixeira should be carrying this team now. There’s no two ways about that. He’s the guy who needs to produce.
The entire strategy of the team for the 5 year period starting with last season was for Tex to take over for Alex as the foundation for the team.
Waiting til the 9th inning to start coming back, but not quite making it has been a pattern all year.
I hate to say it, but the Yankees need to learn a thing or two from the Sox as far as knowing when to get rid of old, ineffective players.
We’re going to give this version of Jeter $100 million dollars? A guy who should be batting 8th or 9th on our team?
Trevor, sorry – I’m sorry, but I completely disagree. The stupid, mean-spirited nicknames are beyond annoying. It’s embarrassing – spoiled Yankee fans. I can’t wait until Jeter retires and then these same “fans” will wish they had the Captain back.
This game, this stretch, has been an abomination in terms of offense and EVERY single player on this team has to take his fair share of the blame.
# TheStraw August 16th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
Seriously, you guys wouldn’t criticize Mo like this.
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straw, what do you expect people to say , seriously
you think couple of bloviators like us moaning about Jeter who makes 22 millions dollars on a baseball blog will matter one way or another.
It’s not jeter hate. It’s jeter frustration for me.
Everyday the lineup is basically Swish, Tex, Arod and Cano. Tomorrow against a tough pitcher they will probably be without 2 of those guys. Tomorrow’s game will not be fun to watch.
He swung at one if not two pitches out of the zone he refuses to be patient
Well, this gives a whole new meaning to Hope Week.
“Joel Sherman hit the nail on the head in his blog:
Perhaps we need to re-assess the notion of Jeter as a clutch player – at least this older version of Jeter.”
First, the whole clutch thing is bs about every player.
Second, he isn’t the player he was. He’s 36. It happens.
Sherman is a tool.
Doreen- GTLU for tomorrow
Gardner- LF
Granderson CF
Tex 1B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Kearns RF
Jeter SS
Thames DH
Pena 3B
Tex is not the kind of guy who can carry a team ; CB, you’ve said it before – just because a player is being paid a certain way doesn’t mean he’s that kind of player. Tex is a very good player. That’s it. He’s not GREAT, he’s not the kind of guy that will take his team on his shoulders. He needs Alex in the lineup; he needs protection.
I didn’t think Joe’s tirade would all of a sudden spur this team to do better because that would imply they weren’t trying. This team just is not able to execute : 2008 all over again.
last year when we seemed to struggle you could tell that we were going to pick it up soon. Yesterday i thought for sure was rock bottom and we would heat back up. But no… this team just comes right back out and gives another lack luster performance. This team is stuck in neutral.
Jeter’s hand must be hurting. No wait,
Its got to be his knee, no…no…wait,
maybe its his forearm.
or maybe he just sucks now.
Don’t want to hear no more excuses for Jeter. He is an old shortstop who should be batting 8th or 9th in this line-up, which should not have Cervelli or Pena in it either.
That’s not entirely true. It’s entire offense frustration for me. Not just jeter. But tonight it culminated with jeters at bat.
For those of you who believe in the NY astrologers (remember how they said the new Stadium had good luck around it and the Yankees would be successful in their opening season), I’ve mentioned a few times that one of them said that this season would be Jeter’s worst since coming to the majors. I thought he might be injured and out for the season or something, but he obviously isn’t having a great season.
Maybe he will pick things up but I guess we’re not going to see the Jeter of past years, at least this season.
Every single pitch Jeter swung at in that at bat was a clear strike.
Go check gameday – every pitch – including the last one was a strike.
Jeter gidp twice today. TWICE. When your team is struggling to score runs, you can’t do that.
How odd is it that Granderson is getting some hits now and the rest of the bats go to sleep?
Hey – Jeter hit another topper….seems it turned into a DP.
Geez – I don’t remember him ever hitting into a DP.
Maybe Gardner should’ve blocked the throw with his face…gotta love Gardner’s effort to stop the inevitable…..
Still better than being a Met fan !!!
I think Mo is the one guy who would quit if he no longer had it – I like DJ but think he is too vain to let some younger guy play short and he will probably demand a 4 year deal – he does not deserve 4 years just 2
Joel Sherman s ucks…………..He was right about the SP being utterly unreliable past CC and the pen maybe having to take up the cause in the post-season IF we make it, but he still sucks. Loser gene……………..he ought to know.
“last year when we seemed to struggle you could tell that we were going to pick it up soon. Yesterday i thought for sure was rock bottom and we would heat back up. But no… this team just comes right back out and gives another lack luster performance.”
Tabbert, Max Scherzer is a very good pitcher. He really is.
I love this blog, I absolutely love it. Like clockwork, every year, the Yankees have exactly two bad patches. Every single year, it’s just what they do, it’s what every good team does as the ebb and flow of the season continues. You know the TB Rays? The team that’s knocking on the door, that everyone else is terrified of? Remember a few months ago when the video was out everywhere of them fighting in the dugout because of a bad stretch? They beat a Cliff Lee lead Texas team tonight. Like we did a few days ago. Ebb and flow of the season guys, ebb and flow of the season. Oh, and to prove my point why don’t we check out the some game threads from during the championship season last year? I’d suggest you start here: (It’s this day, exactly one year ago, during an 8-3 loss at the hands of the Mariners) http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200...../#comments.
I’ll take 8 more players just like Teix.
It’s fair to analyze this team’s problems.
Can we please stop comparing them to 2008. This is absolutely nothing even close to 2008.
Comparisons to 2008 only obscure what their real issues are.
# Yogi Mantle August 16th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
How odd is it that Granderson is getting some hits now and the rest of the bats go to sleep?
Nothing odd about it. He decided to make adjustments with Kevin Long. They are paying off.
So blame the whole game on Jeter when the rest of the team was god-awful…………how nice and convenient.
It’s going to be hard for Tex to carry the team when batting left handed against a shift. He either has to try and go the other way or hopes he hits it out in Yankee Stadium’s short RF porch.
Joel Sherman is one of the worst cover guys. His articles are nonsense and he has very little to offer. His inside scoop is always late and he is off base. Weren’t we reading a week or so ago that Arod couldn’t hit homers and certainly no tape measure shots. What were those the other night? When Heyman and guys on the big networks have more inside info than the local guy covering it for years it’s an issue.
” we battled”
” get ready for tomorrow”
” I am tired about answering questions about facing guys we have never seen before”
If Jeter was not a Yankee and was on the open market after this season, no team in their right mind would pay him anything more than $8-9 million per season for 2 or 3 years, tops.
But because he is a Yankee, the franchise will have to tie themselves down for the next 4 years at something like $25 million per, which will really hurt them. If Jeter was willing to take even a $5 million paycut from what he makes this season, they could apply that extra money towards other holes on the team.
We will really see what Jeter is made of this offseason. He is having the worst season of his career at an age at which players of his type start to tail off, and 2009 may have been the exception, not the rule. In only 3 of the last 9 seasons, according to Fangraphs, his production has been worth more than $16 million per season. Jeter has only been worth about $8 million through what is coming up on 2/3 of the season right now.
He is killing the team in the leadoff spot. When the full lineup is out there right now, with the way Granderson is hitting, he may in fact be the WORST hitter in the lineup. They need to make a change before it continues to kill them.
Sorry CB, I call it like I see it – this offense is exactly like 2008. What exactly is your problem with that comparison? That year, they sucked too -
Betsy
Jeter is a victim of his past success. The important thing is for the Yankees to face the fact that he isn’t the same player right now. Maybe he will be next year, but right now he isn’t.
Cb the 2-1 pitch to jeter was a foot outside
trisha-
He might be but this team will be facing elite pitching in the playoffs. We have got to get going… this whole ” we have the best record” thing will mean nothing if we keep playing this way. There is way to much talent in this lineup to be shut down like this. We have not won a series in a MONTH… thats speaks volumes about how we have been playing.
I thought 2008 was on the pitching, not the offense.
Rich, that’s fine………….but what does that have to do with what I’m saying? This game is on all the players, not just Jeter.
“I call it like I see it – this offense is exactly like 2008. What exactly is your problem with that comparison? That year, they sucked too -”
That’s fine but the comparison isn’t even remotely accurate. So you’re more than welcome to call it however you “see it” but objectively the two teams aren’t even remotely similar.
Go back and look at how that team actually produced, particularly over the first 3/4 of the season. It’s not even close to this team.
It’s not accurate but you can believe what you want.
I love to be a fly on the wall when Yankees negotiate Jeter’s contract this off season. and I personally can’t Jeter play SS into his 40s, if so, it will be to the detriment of the New York Yankees.
# Ken Phelps August 16th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
” we battled”
” get ready for tomorrow”
” I am tired about answering questions about facing guys we have never seen before”
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LOL
I remember Torre used ‘battled’ everytime they lost a game.
Sherman hit the nail on the head… Jeter’s clutchness is now just a myth. A-Rod has blown past him in that category. The two have reversed roles.
Anyway, he is not the only problem. Too many old, aging players who are having down years. Plus Granderson’s awful year, Gardner’s extended slump, and we have no real DH and a .100 hitting backup catcher.
The offense needs to be revamped this winter. They have given us no indication that they can get hot for 3 week stretch, which is what we need in October. Have to hope the pitching can stand on its head.
“the 2-1 pitch to jeter was a foot outside”
Not at all. It was a clear strike. Go check gameday yourself.
It’s time for Girardi to tip his hat…
Betsy August 16th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
So blame the whole game on Jeter when the rest of the team was god-awful…………how nice and convenient.
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I blame the whole team… Jeter’s at bat was bad though
I barely remember the pitching that year, but after that 8 game WS around the ASB, the Yankees played like zombies……………
Girardi should just close the doors tonight and do some reaming out. But Pollyanna Girardi will just let it keep on going, tipping his hat to the opposition.
Its only at times like this that I would love to see Ozzie as the skipper. At least he wouldn’t mince words about how poorly this team is playing.
See, oh, he’s got good stuff, yada yada yada.
What garbage. Call this team out for a change.
For one, they didn’t lead the league in run differential in 2008.
This team is much better than the ’08 team.
That isn’t even the issue.
It’s now trying to figure out a way to piece together a lineup with Arod and Swisher out that can actually score.
That’s going to be a big challenge.
The team needs a little Cash-bashing, like last year afterr rookie pitcher Hanson shut them down in Atlanta, striking out Posada four times.
CB, so what’s your point? That 2008 was a worse offensive team?
” we made him work”
” it’s baseball”
” he has good stuff”
Jeter’s last AB:
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....type=3.gif
why anyone would question CB is beyond me, but the proof is right there.
“the 2-1 pitch to jeter was a foot outside”
Not at all. It was a clear strike. Go check gameday yourself.
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It doesn’t matter what gameday says the 2-1 wasn’t even close to a strike.
” we got to give some guys a blow… Go with cervalli and pen a we feel good about them”
I didn’t say this team was worse than the 2008 team – that team did not deserve to make the playoffs; they were just not a good team. I’m saying that this team reminds me of that team offensively…Sorry, this team has been inconsistent all year.
# CB August 16th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
Every single pitch Jeter swung at in that at bat was a clear strike.
Go check gameday – every pitch – including the last one was a strike.
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The 2-1 pitch was not a strike. Even Flaherty commented on it.
girardi is the ultimate players coach and will do anything to prevent drama in the clubhouse. The last thing he would ever do is move jeter down in the lineup. IF guys don’t produce his answer will remain the same ” we just gotta keep grinding” that is the manager we have and we just have to live with it.
Straw,
It’s not jeter hating, is frustration on seeing the captain being a ghost of his self, it’s very sad to finally see him declining like he is right now. May be i’m wrong but right now he surely looks old. What i’m really concern is the future because he is getting a new contract no matter what, in the not so distant future we will be stock with so many aging players that i doubt that we will be able to field a championship caliber team
Tennis elbow?
Isn’t that tendinitis?
“There is way to much talent in this lineup to be shut down like this”
Tabbert, I totally agreee with you. That’s why I think you’ll see a turnaround.
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Asd, I think you know that I’m part of the choir and not the proletariat. But good call because Girardi just pointed out that the team has already gone through one down period in the season and this is the second one, and he said they’ll be just fine. “It’s baseball.”
I am so down with that it isn’t funny. Marathon, not sprint. You grit your teeth and wait it out. Because this too shall pass.
I’m guessing it starts to get better tomorrow.
Can’t wait for Andy to get back.
Alex and Swish will be back soon enough……………the idea is to figure out how they can start hitting period. If they don’t, they won’t win – period.
“That 2008 was a worse offensive team?”
Yes. It was much, much worse. You’re just forgetting how bad it was. That’s natural – who really wants to remember 2008, especially after how great 2009 was.
It’s not close to the same. The comparison isn’t accurate.
This offense may have it’s issues but it’s much, much better than 2008. 2008 was awful. That team actually lacked talent in many ways.
This year is more inconsistent and maddening than it is awful.
In two nights against two mediocre pitchers on two bad teams, we scored just one run, and that was on a walk forcing in a run – that’s just embarrassing!
If I have to hear about cap tipping one more time, I may f-ing puke!
But, what really makes me sad is we are finally seeing some of the core Yankee dynasty players reach the end of line.
In years past, there was NOBODY better than Jeter in a situation like the ninth inning tonight.
Now, I cringe when he comes up in those situations. DP every time.
For several years Jeter has defied his age, but that’s just not true anymore.
Now I know what my father felt like when Mantle deteriorated late in his career.
Cashman and Hal have some VERY difficult decisions to make this offseason.
I think it goes to what you said CB. Jeter just can’t seem to lift the ball lately.
Girardi sadi Vazquez’s velocity being down doesn’t concern him. He doesn’t know why people are making such a big deal out of it. LOL You can’t make these things up.
2008 the pitching was awful. Matsui was hurt for a chunk of the year. The defense was awful with Giambi at first. Cano wasn’t the player he is now. Abreu was solid but defense was awful. Melky was an everyday type guy. Their bench was weak. Jorge was out forever that season and Molina was playing and not hitting every day. I can’t see how this team compares. The pitching is a lot better. The defense is way better. And they have a much better 1-9 lineup than that team. Plus a bench of Berkman, Thames, Pena and say Kearns is better than Molina, Betmiet, Sexson, Duncan Moeller, etc.
2-1 pitch was a killer changed whole at bat, nice turn by guillen
CB, no – I remember how bad that team was offensively; it was awful. As I said, they played like zombies for most of the season – it was actually like they were playing in molasses; they looked for all the world like they were playing in slow motion.
Sure, the talent is here now – but that talent is not getting it done and hasn’t done for most of the year. The only time this team has clicked was at the beginning of the season when they beat the Rangers, Angels and Sox.
The 2008 Yankees team had scored 569 runs through 118 games, and this year’s team has scored 618. There’s a difference, but not as big of one as you think. If you handed the 2008 team this year’s pitching staff, they likely would have been competitive as well. They were only 4 games out of the wild card at that point in the season, and their pitching had also allowed about 50 more runs than this year’s edition.
Betsy
When you make that last out by hitting into yet another DP with yet another GB, you are going to get a lot of negative attention, and it’s not totally unfair.
Or maybe Jeter just hates pie.
Potential Line-up for tomorrow looks like
Jeter
Granderson
Tex
Cano
Posada
Kearns
Cervelli
Gardner
Pena
Unless Swish, Alex or Lance are feeling better.
did last years team ever go a month without winning a series?
Clutch, boy I hope you’re kidding…………..I don’t know what I expect Joe to say, but he sounds delusional
For reference, Tampa has scored 587 runs so far this season, which is only 18 more than the 2008 Yankees had through the same number of games.
The OFFENSE is comprable to 2008… not the whole team. The pitching on this team is far superior to that team.
However, give the 2008 team the 2010 pitching staff and they would have made the playoffs too.
The offensive inconsistency from that team is prevalent in this team as well. Has to be looked at in context – teams were scoring more then, so RS comparisons don’t tell the whole story. That team also was decimated by injuries – Posada/Matsui missed half a season in addition to the big guys (Cano, ARod, Giambi, Jeter) underperforming. But the offensive inconsistencies of the 08 team is very similar to this one. The only difference is that this team has stayed relatively healthy. But the core of this team is on pace for career worst years, just like the 08 one was. That is the crux of the issue.
“Jeter just can’t seem to lift the ball lately.”
This is the issue. Not his strike zone judgement in that at bat. He swung at strikes. If people don’t want to believe it that’s fine. That doesn’t make it less true.
There’s something going on with his swing where he’s just not generating any lift.
I don’t know what it is though I am concerned it might be a sign that his bat is slowing.
Not sure but I am concerned that now the ball is traveling in further to the bat. So Jeter is now hitting the ball on a different portion of his swing arc plane than he used to. He’s now hitting the ball more towards when his at plane is angled down a bit before it has a chance to flatten out and rise some.
Not sure but that’s what it’s looking like to me.
The clutch thing is a joke. A few big moments make you clutch. I said it was nonsense when Arod was non-clutch and it’s the same thing with Jeter. I was hoping that tonight would be that big hit, but it didn’t come. What I don’t understand is the ground ball rate. He doesn’t have the speed to beat it out and the dps are just raking up. I undertsand you keep your approach the same as a hitter, but this has been true for the whole year. it is really a disturbing trend.
Rich, sorry – this has been going on for far too long. I hate those stupid, demeaning nicknames. Everytime the guy makes an out, we have these spoiled brats coming out of the woodwork. You can make excuses for these “fans” if you want to, I’m not. Criticism is fine…………..IMO, this goes beyond rational criticism.
Mantle deteriorated because he was playing on two bad legs. The toughest decision Hal will need to make is whether to raise the payroll, because the Yankees are stuck with players with NTC’s that make big $$$’s
“Betsy August 16th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Alex and Swish will be back soon enough……………the idea is to figure out how they can start hitting period. If they don’t, they won’t win – period.”
I’ve grown pretty good at reading Swish’s hot and cold streaks and exactly how long they’re going to last (in fact I called the cold streak he’s in right now exactly to the day, a week before) I’m not good with any other players but his I’ve gotten used to predicting. As of tonight, if we went without interruption, he was due back into the swing of things on Friday. With this “arm tightness” I don’t know, I’ll have to see how it goes. If he continues to bp without being in the game it should take him three games to return to form. If he is unable to bp, we’re talking 5-7. We’ll have to see the extent of whats going on (difficult seeing as he apparently isn’t getting checked out by the doc)
Betsy
I hate the stupid nicknames too.
But the reality is that he appears to be in decline.
el capitan is really mr. gdp. or is that blasphemy to doubt the all mighty.
yep we cannot insult the captn. give him 4 yrs and $20 mill a year. after all there are many 37 and older shortstops excelling.
jeter tried to pull a high pitch in the 9th, the reason is????????
0 for 8 with RISP, this team is so lcutch it is scary.
jorge is the dumbest 17 vet player i have ever seen. cabrera the mega stud, throw him the slider on the outside corner, after all he cannot hit it out to all fields…after all there is no left field homer heaven at the new stadium…
jorge under 250, jeter looking old……..i forgot we cannot point out the obvious else it is blasphemy……..
Wasn’t 2008 the year of the revolving pitcher, when the Yankees set the record for having the most starters in a season? How many games kept the Yankees out of the playoffs, does anyone remember? Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy alone were responsible for 10 of those losses. Then think about all the pitchers we had to bring in to try to fill in a 3 and 4. Pitching is what did us in that year.
Also, keep in mind that the 2008 team was missing Matsui, Posada, and Wang for much of the season, and Joba went down for a month in August. Take Cano and Posada out of this lineup from June through now and I’m sure the runs scored totals wouldn’t be too far off.
The clutch thing is a joke to fans now that Jeter isn’t clutch. When A-Rod wasn’t thats all fans would yell about.
A-Rod is clutch. Jeter is not.
Through 118 games, the 2010 team has scored about 50 runs more than the 2008 one did. And when you consider how offense is down across the board in MLB, the comparison is even more valid.
Then again, that team had so many injuries as well as down years from people, so it’s sad that there is even a remote comparison between the two.
Rich, we’ll have to wait until next year to see if that’s the case. If it is, well – then this is something all teams have to deal with as, after all, players are only human. The point is, this was a team loss………..
CB- Maybe it’s because the pitchers are getting him out more frequently pitching him inside.
“Well, this gives a whole new meaning to Hope Week.”
Line of the night. Hope they can manage to hold onto their playoff spot, whatever it is, and pull a 2000. Looks like the pitching, starting and relief, is going to have to be lights out the rest of the way. The saving grace has been that Tampa has also been streaky.
Betsy
It has to impact where he hits this season and the contract if it continues through the end of the season.
let’s hear from mr. GIDP or is that not allowed.
heck give jeter the 4 year extension now we do not want to insult him, there is a huge market for 37 yr old shortstops, they hit a ton of grounballs……..
I’m not watching the post-game, but someone on another board said Joe said it’s possible they will be without Alex, Swish and Berkman for awhile. Well, I guess there’s always a possibility – hopefully it’s not a good one.
“The point is, this was a team loss………..”
Bets of course it was. But you know how much this forum always needs a goat…
CB,
Jeter looks like he may have lost some bat speed this year. The reason I think he’s hitting more ground balls is that he is getting totally beaten by fastballs, in a way that I don’t think we’ve ever seen happen to him in any prior season. When he starts to realize he can’t catch up to the fastball, he probably is going to start opening up a bit earlier and end up way out in front of breaking balls.
That at bat against Valverde was so telling. He missed his spot by 2 feet and threw Jeter the pitch he wants on the outside corner, and he didn’t have enough bat speed to trust himself to wait back and shoot it the other way. He opened up and pulled way off of it. How often do you see Jeter pull off of pitches the way he has done this season?
There’s only 3 regulars from 2008 in this years lineup.
Jeter, Cano and Arod.
Only Arod had a good year out of the 3. Jeter hit .300 but it was a bad year for him.
Molina was actually worse than Cisco is now.
Melky was horrible.
Giambi didn’t have a bad year but Tex is having a better season.
Johnny was better than Granderson in LF but it’s not a landslide.
Abreu and Swish are having similar years which says a lot about the kind of year Swish is having.
Rich, yes it will………but I’m not thinking about his contract right now. I’m thinking of how to right this team’s ship
He just be at that stage where he needs to cheat and start his swing earlier. Either that or long will have to retool his swing as well. ??
they can win with there backups if they do what they are suppose to.
stop whining about injuries.. arod has a tight calf, that is not an injury………
swisher would have struck out anyway he is up to 108 K’s…Does he know people throw other pitches besides fastballs??????
” Joe said it’s possible they will be without Alex, Swish and Berkman for awhile.”
He said day to day.
Moving Jeter out of the leadoff spot can help right the ship.
pat August 16th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Potential Line-up for tomorrow looks like
Jeter
Granderson
Tex
Cano
Posada
Kearns
Cervelli
Gardner
Pena
Unless Swish, Alex or Lance are feeling better.
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I think Thames should play more?? No??
All I have to say is …
There are still lots of games left to play, and baseball is the most unpredictable of sports.
So, let’s try and have a little perspective, shall we?
The way some posters are going bananas, you’d have thought we just lost the pennant.
This is mid August, it’s late, but it isn’t the end. The Phillies had a 6 game lead over the Cardinals in 1964 with about 8 games to play, and lost the pennant on the last week.
Nothing is a sure thing in this crazy game, you have to get that last man out, and you have to take that last game when the magic number is “1″.
how can we lose as long as we have cervelli and his big bat in the lineup. obp down to under 330 with absolutely no power at all.
jeter needs to move down in the lineup but again that is blasphemy. if he does not figure things out soon, they have problems.
jeter has 18 GIDP I think……2 gidp tonight. i hope he k’s with men on base…….
“Maybe it’s because the pitchers are getting him out more frequently pitching him inside.”
What has made his so special is his ability to generate the bat speed and bat control to drive that pitch the other way or to selectively turn on it when he wanted to.
He could handle that pitch much better than he can now. Now he’s rolling it to SS instead of driving it to RF. That’s partly why I’ve concerned about his bat speed. He’s not getting the bat head through his hitting zone to take that pitch the other way.
But it’s still far too early to make any definitive pronouncements. He has been hitting better over the past month before this recent cool streak.
Drawing conclusions about him being in permanent decline are too premature.
the last pitch of the game was up and out over the plate.
if you can’t find a way to get some lift off that, then…Houston, we have a problem.
Joba is as much to blame as Jeter
That solo HR changed the entire complexion of the game and AB. Down 2, 1 baserunner and the tying run is at the plate.
“I think Thames should play more?? No??”
Okay.
Jeter
Granderson
Tex
Cano
Posada
Thames
Gardner
Kearns
Pena
Mixing righties and lefties this seems to work.
For anyone who thinks this is just the “inevitable slump,” take a look at these numbers:
Number of Times Scoring 3 or Fewer Runs:
2009- 41
2010- 39 (In 44 fewer games so far, on pace for 53)
Number of Times Scoring 6 or more runs:
2009- 68
2010- 53 (On pace for 72)
So this team is pretty much all or nothing when it comes to offense. They score a lot of runs, or nothing, all with more frequency than last year’s team thus far.
Also interesting to consider:
Blown Leads:
2009- 24
2010- 21 (On pace for 29)
Losing more games they should win as well.
If Girardi was too spineless to drop Tex to fifth in the line-up, you know he doesn’t have the spine to drop Jeter to to 7th or 8th. Hes’s a gutless, horrible manager who is too scared to do what’s best for the team.
“All I have to say is …
There are still lots of games left to play, and baseball is the most unpredictable of sports.
So, let’s try and have a little perspective, shall we”
Good advice, Pep.
Night everyone. Think about what the Yanks did for little Jorge today and remember that what you put out, you get back.
The Yankees will be the 2010 world series champs, even if it doesn’t look that way right now.(and it’s about more than Hope Week. It’s always been about the team they have.)
Marathon, not sprint. Teams slump. It’s part of baseball. Yanks have two swoons a season. This is the second. The ebb and flow of the game.
ONWARD AND UPWARD!
eroc that game was not on joba whom maybe threw a stupid pitch but still not a bad pitch versus king jeter. jeter killed 2 rallies including to wnd the game….jeter also had a K and an error..
jeter played horrible. jeter also tried to pull a high and outside fastball, for some ungodly reason…why not go to right????????????
@Trish, ever consider in becoming a motivational speaker? I really think you make a good one.
Was following via mobile, and it was painful. Can’t imagine what it was like for you guys to watch it.
Just frustrating. And future pitcher Cliff Lee! That’s not how you get in our good graces. All you needed was a hold.
Thanks for that trip down memory lane. Not! I sure do sound like a broken record. But I vividly remember that game in Seattle. T’was a bad game on a bad road trip.
Once again, the pitching was good enough to win. But the offense….
And Swisher and Alex.
I refuse to call it a permanent decline but we’re all seeing what we’re seeing. Something is not right.
As of right now, Jeter’s low on the list of who I want up with the game on the line.
I’d go Cano, Arod, Tex, Posada, Gardner and maybe Swisher before I went Jeter right now in that situation. That’s not passion talking, I just see him taking strikes, swinging at balls and not doing much damage in key situations he used to live for.
There’s still time to show us he is still in there, but right now we’re not seeing the same Derek Jeter.
Jeter
Granderson
Tex
Cano
Posada
Thames
Gardner
Kearns
Pena
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Leadoff Granderson.
again let’s give derek 4 years $20 mill. we do not want to insult him. this is his brothright to play SS as long as he wants for the yanks.
g-d forbid he signs a 1 year deal and takes it 1 year at a time going forward!!!!!!!!!that would be insulting of Cashman to do. after all do we expect mr. gidp to play for substandard wages like $15 mill on a 1 year deal???????????
Jeter didn’t try to pull that last pitch. You’re thinking of his swing as a conventional swing. That’s not how his swing works.
He’s trying to take the ball to RF but isn’t getting the bat hear through the zone fast enough. That lag is making the ball hit up higher towards the bat handle as he swings inside out leading with his hands.
The issue isn’t intention. It’s his swing and the flight on his bat head.
Not to jinx anyone but……Shawn Marcum having himself a very good night in Oakland.
MATT
good stats. it speaks of inconsistent offense of this team, if you watch this team every day, you kinda know it intuitively.
the chances of jorge and jeter are more porbable then a blip in there performance. name 3 36 year old or older players that had a renaissance year? name 1 catcher who did and the same for SS? these guys are not DH’s.
again let’s pass the hat around for derek just in case he is stuck with a 1 or 2 year deal for only $15 mill per…..
i hope and think Derek will be smart enough to know when it is time to go and not see his performance really deteriorate……
SJ,
If you’re still around, what are your thoughts on Jeter’s performance affecting his next contract here?
I’d love to know.
# pat August 16th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
Not to jinx anyone but……Shawn Marcum having himself a very good night in Oakland.
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haha, lot of pitcher tend to have good night against seattle and oakland, they can’t score.
there is an upside: we won’t have to watch Valverde’s act again until next season.
he had a save similar to this against Boston a few wks ago, and Leyland held him out for the rest of the series (that game was also the 1st game in a 4 game series).
w/Zumaya on the DL and Valverde cooked, their bullpen will be a wreck for the next few games.
Yanks just gave a 4th round HS outfielder 1.45M, Mason Williams
“g-d forbid he signs a 1 year deal and takes it 1 year at a time going forward”
Why not wait until he doesn’t before complaining about it.
the chancces that jorge and derek regressing i meant are much better then the opposite occuring.
jorge btw is not exactly lighting things up….catching all of a sudden has become a big problem, fast…….
I’d rather have Scutaro than Jeter up in that situation. Its fine to put Jeter’s career in perspective and say he’s a champion, clutch and all that. But it has no bearing at all on how he is playing now, how he should be used and how much criticism he should get.
way to jinx him Pat lol
14-14 in our last 28 home games.
Detroit is also a morbid road team… they are 20-36. Only Baltimore, Seattle, Pittsburgh, and Arizona have less road wins they them.
It is way too early to say Jeter is declining…………but Rich, you might be right about the leadoff spot. That said, I don’t think it makes much of a difference. Once he leads off, he may never lead off an inning again, depending on how the games go
I said Jeter might be declining, and it’s not too early to say that.
pat i hope you are right. jeter always does the right thing and i hope he does this time also. if he signed a 1 year deal and played great, sign him again for another year. again give him to the season is over but if his numbers remain where they are, he should sign a 1 yr. deal.
I jinxed him.
It is funny listening to people making the same exact complaints as they were last season.
No difference. Different team. Same complaints.
CB August 16th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
“Jeter just can’t seem to lift the ball lately.”
This is the issue. Not his strike zone judgement in that at bat. He swung at strikes. If people don’t want to believe it that’s fine. That doesn’t make it less true.
There’s something going on with his swing where he’s just not generating any lift.
I don’t know what it is though I am concerned it might be a sign that his bat is slowing.
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My first guess is also that his bat is slowing. Everything is slowing. He’s getting old.
Yet it seems everyone thinks it’s preposterous when I suggest that he shouldn’t even be offered $15mil/year.
CB , i really love your analysis on a hitter’s swing and the mechanism that’s involved. same goes with SJ.
it is good to have you here to offer such unique insight .
BrandonTierney
Hey, Kevin Long, great job fixing Curtis Granderson…now get busy on everyone else. 37 minutes ago
betsy how is it to early to say jeter is in decline??????it happens to them all except bonds. mantle, mays, chipper jones, they all get old unless jeter is superhuman.
statistically this is by far his worse year ever, the guy is a 36 year old shortstop.
it is if someone just stole all your money but you do not call him a crook until he puts the stolen money in his bank account. the proof of his probable decline is out there, it is his stats and his performance…….
saying jeter is declining is not talking ill of him, it is reality…..joe montana got traded……
“It is funny listening to people making the same exact complaints as they were last season.
huh? Who complained about the offense last season?
# Carl August 16th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Jeter gidp twice today. TWICE. When your team is struggling to score runs, you can’t do that.
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Yes you can ! I saw it happen ! Those always knocking Jeter with asinine gripes are complete IDIOTS !
If the Yanks can take the last 3 games it will still be a very successful series. Looking at the series on paper, the Tigers had a big advantage in this game anyway with Max pitching against a dead armed Javy. CC needs to continue to step up tomorrow. The offense is sure frustrating right now but nothing the Yanks can do but give it time. Things will hopefully straighten themselves out.
Any word on whether the Yanks signed their 2nd round pick this year? I remember he was a real toolsy high school OF from Cali…
CB,
The complaints were similar last year. Especially, the “we can’t hit a pitcher we’ve never seen” complaint which now has legs in the media. That shocked me to see Girardi even comment on that.
The pitching is better this year.
This hitting is less consistent. Maybe stats prove it differently, but this team seems to get shut down a lot more than they did last year.
Jeter isn’t hitting the same. Arod, until recently, wasn’t showing the same power. Tex was invisible for a few months. Posada isn’t the same and not healthy so Cervelli gets more at bats. No dedicated DH like Matsui.
There’s a difference.
That said, this team is still in first place with the best record but they should have won the past 2 nights.
Let’s just pretend that Girardi would actually drop Jeter. Who leads off? Damon?
I guess Gardner would be the best candidate. He sees the most pitches.
But then, Jeter down to the 2 spot?
Gardner
Jeter
Tex
Alex
Cano
Posada
Swisher
Granderson
Black Hole of the Day
Or if Thames plays then he can hit 6-7-8.
It’s preposterous that people keep complaining about Jeter’s next contract when they have NO IDEA what his next contract might be.
That’s what preposterous.
People are complaining about Jeter’s next contract as if they’re donating money out of their pockets to help pay his salary. That’s preposterous.
I’ve never seen so much agita over something that hasn’t happened and might not actually happen in my life.
Carry on however have fun complaining about a contract that might not even be coming in the winter.
the yanks need to think about skipping javy in his next start and going with Nova. call up nova for gaudin, after the game send him down especially if aceves is ready. if gaudin gets picked up on waivers have a party.
javy did a houdini by only giving up 2 runs….
Pepitone, I saw that post……sick. The disdain for Jeter is beyond belief.
Yet it seems everyone thinks it’s preposterous when I suggest that he shouldn’t even be offered $15mil/year.
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i don’t think it’s preposterous to say that, it is simply unlikely that it will happen.
Jeter is special case for the Yankees, everyone knows it. maybe because he is home breed Yankees, his national recognition, his tenure of success , all these elements makes almost impossible that the Yankee will offer him a one year contract.
if you like to deal in realism, I think that’s what is. Do I think base on his performance he will get 15 mil offer on the open market, possibly, but not a sure thing.
gumbs from torrance CA. was signed the other day if that is the prospect you were talking about…
“@Trish, ever consider in becoming a motivational speaker? I really think you make a good one.”
Thanks CashMoney! It’s easy when it comes from the heart, and my stuff always does.
Stuart, if you want to say he’s definitely in decline, be my guest. For me, it’s too early.
betsy name one baseball player over 36 that after a declining season actually improves??
name 1?
The problem with putting Jeter in the 2 hole is Gardner. He doesn’t succeed at the top of the lineup. Girardi and Long admitted he’s a different hitter up there with the pressure.
Cano was the same way prior to this season. When they’d put him higher in the lineup he’d freeze up.
So Gardner isn’t an option to lead off. Plus putting Jeter in the 2 hole with no power and little ability to move a runner over of late makes no sense.
There’s no one else on this lineup that can lead off. If Granderson shows he can hit righties, he’s an option I guess. Outside of that, it’s Jeter.
test:
poop
“Those always knocking Jeter with asinine gripes are complete IDIOTS !”
Hate the game not the player.
@trish
no problem, LOL, my cousin use to have a copy of Anthony Robbin’s motivational speech, I used to make fun of him. But i guess it did serve him well in life in retrospective. nothing wrong with thinking positive most of the time.
“Any word on whether the Yanks signed their 2nd round pick this year? I remember he was a real toolsy high school OF from Cali…”
The yanks signed their 2nd round pick Angelo Gumbs a few days ago so that’s taken care of.
The big questions remaining going into tonight were whether their 4th round pick Mason Williams and their 16th round pick Evan Rutckyj would signed. Earlier it was reported that neither was likely. But Rutckyj has now signed and there’s been reports that Williams also might get done.
If they sign williams it will have been a particularly nice draft for the yanks.
NYP_Bushes Yankees have signed all of their top 10 picks, and 15 of their top 16 by my count.
Stuart, I’m not playing your little game……
Unless you think Jeter is going to get better as a 37 yr old SS, it is perfectly valid to say he is in decline. Players don’t get better as they hit their late 30s, they get worse.
Did people expect Jeter to be an elite player until he was 40? Players get old. It happens. Thinking he will revert back to his prime is wishful thinking unless he does something no one in the history of the game has ever done. Who is the last 37 yr old SS to have even a decent, let alone above average year? SS is a young man’s position.
All depends on the criteria, I suppose. Jeter is still top 5 among SS in OPS, but that speaks more to how barren the position is than how good Jeter is. Another problem is that he is batting at the top of the order.
I slept through the game. What happened to Arod and Swisher?
In reading the end of this thread, I figure the same people are optimistic and the same people are pessimistic.
If the score was 3-1, you can’t blame the pitching, can you? No pitcher can be counted on to pitch a shut out.
Can one be an optimist who is pessimistic at the moment because that is me. It is the middle of August, and we can’t score runs even against “lesser teams”.
RiverAveBlues $1.45 million. Over slot by over $1 million. RT @RABFeed: Yankees reach agreement with fourth rounder Mason Williams http://bit.ly/ajVc9H
Cashmoney-
Thanks. Just my impressions.
For pete’s sake, I didn’t say anyone else wasn’t allowed to think he’s in decline……….I’m just not ready to go there!
# pat August 17th, 2010 at 12:04 am
NYP_Bushes Yankees have signed all of their top 10 picks, and 15 of their top 16 by my count.
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i don’t think Mason William is signed , 4th rounder i think.
Looks like this team needs a vacation.
ea with some logic…
jeter is still a allstar SS because most SS stink now…….
jeter is my favorite player, my kids name animals after him, he is getting old it happens………..
SI_JonHeyman bryce harper said getting “close” to a deal with #nats. believed worth close to $10 million in total. story soon on si.com.
# CB August 17th, 2010 at 12:06 am
Cashmoney-
Thanks. Just my impressions.
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in that case, you are impressed more than most !
Ah, I disagree. Slightly. Gardner was horrid his first few times leading off. But, I think he started feeling more comfortable.
He hit a bad patch, and still strikes out too much. But, he’s getting his walks, and getting some hits lately.
If (big ol’ if) they ever thought of dropping Jeter, I’d go with Gardner.
# m August 17th, 2010 at 12:02 am
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Post of the night?
# pat August 17th, 2010 at 12:06 am
SI_JonHeyman bryce harper said getting “close” to a deal with #nats. believed worth close to $10 million in total. story soon on si.com.
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darn it, i was hoping somehow he joins the Dutch Fondue league and somehow becomes a Yankees… well i guess there is always free agency.
bryce harper will sign. this is borass doing his thing.
jeter and posada are declining and mo(it will happen sooner or later) wil ldecline sooner or later. BTW Mo’s innings are way down therefore his utter dominance is of less benefit. this is reality not blasphemy….
G. Love-
I agree there’s cause for some concern and overall the offense isn’t as good as it was last year.
I was partly commenting on how funny it is. Many people are making the same exact posts they did a year ago. The degree of criticism was the same and that team won 103 games and the WS. In retrospect those posts look particularly silly.
This year the venom is the same.
Your take in your last post is very fair and level headed. That’s about where things stand.
Cashmoney
The Twitter-verse erupted about 20 minutes ago that Williams is a done deal
i think there offense should be better or the same as last year.
granderson, swisher, and gardner are all 29 or younger. tex just turned 30.. yes jeter, posada, and arod are 34 + but the other guys should help account for the potential declien in jeter and others..
this team has more speed then last year, there are many ways to score. the bench is better, i do not agree that this offense should be worse then last year. it should not be………
This game is solely on Heyman. Once again, he brought his own (bad-luck) version of the game post solely designed to thwart the Yankees.
betsy name one baseball player over 36 that after a declining season actually improves??
name 1?
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Roger Clemens
Tommy John
Willie Stargell
Goose Gossage
need I continue?
“$1.45 million. Over slot by over $1 million. RT @RABFeed: Yankees reach agreement with fourth rounder Mason Williams http://bit.ly/ajVc9H”
Go Op! Didn’t look like he was going to sign even earlier today.
Williams gets more than their 1st round pick.
Very nice signing.
I liked the Yankees draft this year quite a bit. They did a really nice job. Drafted a lot of kids with leverage and got them signed for the most part. Missed out on Jordan but that’s not a surprise. Getting Williams done helps make Jordan less of a loss.
It was also nice to get their first round pick signed and into GCL ball. Culver is playing well down there and as a 17 year old.
The main issue with Jeter is his offense has no use at any position other than SS.
Put his numbers in LF or DH and this team will struggle.
For him to be a Yankee starter, he has to start at SS.
I’m not in love with his defense this year, but it’s not the end of the world.
The offensive failures though are mounting and it’s mid-august.
That said, I can’t call it a decline because I’ve been burned too many times in the past counting him out. In the past, he’s looked this bad and has been secretly injured or banged up. Then he gets healthy and hits lasers to RF.
That’s the blessing and curse of Jeter. If he’s hurt and it’s affecting his play, he won’t take the time off to get healthy even if it affects wins and losses. Some call that guts. Others call it selfishness.
I’m always of the mindset that if he got hit in the hand or something and can’t drive the ball and 15 days on the DL can get him back up to snuff, he owes it to the team to get healthy.
# pat August 17th, 2010 at 12:10 am
Cashmoney
The Twitter-verse erupted about 20 minutes ago that Williams is a done deal
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no twitter for Cashmoney! i am holding out the last bastion human decency. NO Twitter! ever…
SI_JonHeyman #mets have deal with their No. 1 matt harvey for a bit over $2.5 mil
Ha. Should be fun watching Strasbourg swallow his words. Didn’t read up on it, but he apparently called out Bryce Harper.
I’m sure he’s a good enough kid, but the bat wing eye black is stupid.
Is Ranaudo a done deal?
“Unless you think Jeter is going to get better as a 37 yr old SS, it is perfectly valid to say he is in decline. Players don’t get better as they hit their late 30s, they get worse.”
Many people said the same thing in 2008.
It all depends on why he’s having a down year this year. That’s tough to know.
CB August 17th, 2010 at 12:03 am
“Any word on whether the Yanks signed their 2nd round pick this year? I remember he was a real toolsy high school OF from Cali…”
The yanks signed their 2nd round pick Angelo Gumbs a few days ago so that’s taken care of.
The big questions remaining going into tonight were whether their 4th round pick Mason Williams and their 16th round pick Evan Rutckyj would signed. Earlier it was reported that neither was likely. But Rutckyj has now signed and there’s been reports that Williams also might get done.
If they sign williams it will have been a particularly nice draft for the yanks.
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Thanks CB! Must have missed that when I was in KC. The exciting thing about this draft is all the high upside high school guys. It will be exciting them following. Tons of potential there (I’m partial to those high school guys being drafted haha)
m August 17th, 2010 at 12:12 am
Ha. Should be fun watching Strasbourg swallow his words. Didn’t read up on it, but he apparently called out Bryce Harper.
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maybe he was misquoted or taking out context , but Strasburg has the same agent and did exactly the same thing last time . what da funk is he talking about?
# m August 17th, 2010 at 12:12 am
Ha. Should be fun watching Strasbourg swallow his words. Didn’t read up on it, but he apparently called out Bryce Harper.
I’m sure he’s a good enough kid, but the bat wing eye black is stupid.
He said if he didn’t want to be a Nat, they don’t want him. Nothing wrong with that right?
Who is the last 37 yr old SS to have even a decent, let alone above average year? SS is a young man’s position.
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Luis Aparacio and Campy Campaneris come to mind, and I am sure there are more.
Did the Met’s take out a loan to play that kid $2.5m?
Pitchers can have good years as they get older because velocity isin’t everything – if you know how to pitch, you can do it as long as you stay healthy.
It’s not like if you lose bat speed as a hitter, you can change your stance/mechanics and become a different hitter, like you can compensate for diminished stuff as a pitcher and develop new pitches.
There are numerous examples of late 30s pitchers having excellent seasons. Hardly any examples of hitters (who were not suspected of steroids) who have had Renaissance years in their late 30s. Hitters in the post-steroid era get worse as they get older, not better. It would be quite a leap of faith to think Jeter, ARod, and Jorge are going to revert to their 09 forms when they are 2 years older.
Why would Strasburg be calling out Harper? If I’m not mistaken Strasburg literally went down to the final minute last year before signing. I’m sure Harper is not missing out on signing. He already dominated the junior college level at age 17. The kid is a freak. What else can he do? Go to Japan and dominate over there? He will sign. Boras is just doing his thing.
pepitone i disagree with your names. also obviously we know why clemens overperformed…
tommy john continues his level of performance for 2 more years(36 and 37)then declines..
stargell’s numbers went way down…
gossage’s numbers went way down. clemens and bonds are it for the improvement at a late age and we know why…….
#orioles sign no. 3 overall pick manny machado
Miami SS compared to A-Rod.
I’m not being pessimistic or hating on Jeter. I’m just being pragmatic.
He’s getting older. His performance is declining. He may improve a little from his current numbers, but overall he’s likely to continue declining as he gets older. I don’t think anyone could really disagree with those statements.
Sean_McAdam #RedSox sign RHP Anthony Ranaudo for $2.55 million
No one is expecting Posada to revert to his old form. I haven’t seen anyone suggest that.
Jeter, on the other hand, is still in fantastic shape and by all accounts healthy.
I, for one, would not be shocked to see him turn this around this year or next year.
I think he’s hurt and he’s playing through it.
# pat August 17th, 2010 at 12:19 am
#orioles sign no. 3 overall pick manny machado
Miami SS compared to A-Rod.
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you mean they both from Miami?
This is Strasburg’s exact quote. Hard to know the context but it doesn’t sound particularly good given the Strasburg negotiations handled by boras only a year ago:
““I don’t have any advice for him,” Strasburg said. “It’s his decision. If he wants to play here, he’s going to play here. He doesn’t need advice from anyone to confirm his views. If he doesn’t want to play here, then we don’t want him here, bottom line. We want guys that want to play on this team, you know?”
http://www.masnsports.com/the_.....arper.html
The anger comes from the money the athletes are paid today. People forget that if the money wasn’t in their pockets, it would be in the owners. People are plainly jealous of today’s athletes.
Jeter signed a contract in good faith 7 years ago. Tell me he doesn’t give his best and I’ll call you a liar. That’s all you can ask. I’m as disappointed as anyone else on the Board but I don’t blame him. He’s trying. The man has a lot of pride. The talk about what he’ll make next year is again, just nonsense, since none of us know.
Right now these Yankees appear to be in a struggle to hang onto first place and maybe make the playoffs. There’s nothing wrong that a few wins wouldn’t cure either.
1971 37 BOS AL 125 541 491 56 114 23 0 4 45 6 4 35 43 .232 .284 .303 .587 62 149 7 2 9 4 0 *6 AS aparicios stats at 37.. if 232 is a renaissance i stand corrected.
campy at 36 and 37, yikes. that are horrible………
1978 36 TEX AL 98 319 269 30 50 5 3 1 17 22 4 20 36 .186 .245 .238 .483 37 64 6 2 25 3 0 6/D
1979 37 TOT AL 93 283 248 29 57 4 4 0 15 13 4 20 35 .230 .290 .278 .569 58 69 8 2 11 2 0 6/D
CB, if you still there, what’s your take on this Mason William kid, obviously a project. but you think the Yankees overpaid for that kinda talent . no that money really matters in this case.
jeter signed the contract 10 years ago for 190 mill and btw i have more sympathy with the players then the owners every time……
That Ranaudo is supposed to have some kind of arm….plenty of Yankee fans were annoyed that we passed on him.
Ted Williams famously had a much better season when he was 41 then when he was 40.
So there’s an example of a player getting better after 36.
Stan Musial also had the same thing happen to him.
So there are two examples. There are others.
Strasburg has all the potential in the world but his career path will follow a very tight line between being a Mark Prior or a Bob Gibson type once in a generation pitcher. He’s already had a little arm flareup (which I’m sure the Nats were overly protective of) and some of his results haven’t been stellar since that tremendous debut. Before he goes running his mouth, I think it would be better if he put up a full season of solid numbers….
stuart a August 17th, 2010 at 12:19 am
pepitone i disagree with your names.
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That’s fine, but you asked for one, and I gave you more than one.
Other names that come to mind are Hoyt Wilhelm, Phil Niekro, Jamie Moyer, Reggie Jackson and many others. For most baseball players 37 is the beginning of the decline, not 36.
“you mean they both from Miami?”
Both are 6’3″ SS from Miami taken out of high school who were/are considered to have big offensive upside for the position.
I think the money issue fans are having with Jeter’s next contract is that if the Yankees captitulate and give him 20 million plus for more than 2 years it could be an albatross that prevents the team from making other moves.
Now I know everyone tells us that the Steinbrenners won’t count Jeter dollars when it comes time to payroll and fielding a championship team.
I tend to think that’s true.
But people are still leery from this past off season when Hal and Cashman claimed they didn’t have the budget for certain things.
No one wants Jeter’s contract (and Arod’s for that matter) to be the excuse why the team won’t get/pay the best players they can.
That’s what the fear about the contract is.
Other than that, I don’t care what they pay him. I do care about the number of guaranteed years.
It’s rare to see an athlete walk away from guaranteed money.
It’s why no matter what condition Arod is in at age 42 I expect him to still be a Yankee unless they buy him out.
“what’s your take on this Mason William kid, obviously a project. but you think the Yankees overpaid for that kinda talent . no that money really matters in this case.”
I only know what I’ve read which is most likely what you’ve read.
Sounds like an interesting prospect. They kind of kid they should definitely be bringing into the organization so I’m happy they signed him.
I don’t think we’re in any position to judge whether or not they “overpaid” him. Never got that argument.
The Yankees paid him what they thought he was worth.
And if they paid him that much they clearly must like him a great deal. Their draft would have been fine without signing him. So for them to give him that much money indicates that they really believe in his talent and upside.
Good draft day.
I don’t know how anyone can compare this year’s offense to last year’s offense.
The key parts of last year’s offense were producing at or near career high levels.
This year, not so much.
Stuart,
Those are names I came up with off the top of my head, but I know there are shortstops that declined before age 36, and had a renaissance afterward. If I went back and did a little homework I am sure I could come up with more than one.
So, your argument doesn’t hold water.
“That Ranaudo is supposed to have some kind of arm….plenty of Yankee fans were annoyed that we passed on him.”
He’s got a good arm. It’s not great. He was a very good college prospect but not a great one. And on top of that he suffered significant elbow problems.
He’s not like Andrew Brackman or something. Most people had him projecting as a #2.
Nice guy to get but the Sox also paid him a great deal of money. They didn’t get any kind of deal on him.
I only mention this because ever since he got drafted his getting talked up as a future “ace” and that’s really not what he is.
Rich, the thing is – if we were even getting average years from these guys, we’d be in better shape.
comet August 17th, 2010 at 12:21 am
The anger comes from the money the athletes are paid today. People forget that if the money wasn’t in their pockets, it would be in the owners. People are plainly jealous of today’s athletes.
Jeter signed a contract in good faith 7 years ago. Tell me he doesn’t give his best and I’ll call you a liar. That’s all you can ask. I’m as disappointed as anyone else on the Board but I don’t blame him. He’s trying. The man has a lot of pride. The talk about what he’ll make next year is again, just nonsense, since none of us know.
Right now these Yankees appear to be in a struggle to hang onto first place and maybe make the playoffs. There’s nothing wrong that a few wins wouldn’t cure either.
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You are right, in many cases, not in mine. I don’t really care if Jeter as a person makes $10mil or $20mil. Makes no difference in my life. What do I care? He ditched the girl I wanted.
I think more practically. I don’t care what some people say, the team has a budget. Paying $20+mil/year for a player that is likely to play like a $5-10mil/year player is an unwise allocation of assets. That will affect the composition of the rest of the team and their ability to win.
I guess we’ll see, CB – kids have a way of surprising and the Sox obviously know how to develop a good pitcher. I’m not going to sit around moaning about his loss, though, as I’m no expert regarding the minors.
I think the Yankees did the right thing in drafting high-upside kids, but the idea of drafting athletes instead of baseball players makes me nervous.
“I think the money issue fans are having with Jeter’s next contract is that if the Yankees captitulate and give him 20 million plus for more than 2 years it could be an albatross that prevents the team from making other moves.
Now I know everyone tells us that the Steinbrenners won’t count Jeter dollars when it comes time to payroll and fielding a championship team.
I tend to think that’s true.”
There is no way that the Steinbrenners will risk a more onerous Yankee tax in the next CBA in order to take care of Jeter.
The payroll is more likely to go down than be significantly above $200m.
I don’t understand how anyone can think otherwise.
Of equal importance, large contracts almost always get a declining player far more PT than they deserve.
It makes no sense to do that with Jeter. it’s not fair to his legacy and he doesn’t need the money.
Some people, like Francesa, think that the Yankees will overpay Jeter so he is the face of the franchise for the remainder of his natural life.
Yet Jeter has said that he wants to own a team, and it’s highly unlikely that he will ever own a significant piece of the Yankees.
So money given for that purpose would be wasted.
Betsy
I posted the OPS+ of Jeter, A-Rod, and Posada above.
They are all way below their 2009 level, most glaringly Jeter.
That’s my point.
Derek and Alex’s contracts have to be counted in player salary but when you come right down to it, they are advertising budget as far as the Yankees are concerned.
Neither of their deals will stop the Yankees from getting someone they think is necessary to field a winning team.
They may not pay to get a guy you think they should get but they will pay to get a guy they think they should get.
I agree with ray. It is remarkable who upset some people are getting about Jeter’s future contract when no one has any idea what the terms of that contract will be.
There’s alway room in the future for outrage. But outrage before an uncertain event even happens seems rather premature.
Upset is in the eye of the beholder.
Pay him whatever they want for all I care.
Baseball isn’t real life. I will be fine regardless.
But it would be really dumb from a baseball perspective to give a 37 year old (to be) SS too many years.
Just as it was really dumb to give A-Rod a 10 year deal.
Personally, I don’t want to see the Yankees grossly overpay for Jeter next year either. If he leaves, that’s fine too. He’s made a lot more money on endorsements and will continue to make more being on the NYY than on another team. There is a limit to what he should be paid. However that’s a discussion for season’s end, not now.
“Neither of their deals will stop the Yankees from getting someone they think is necessary to field a winning team.”
Do you want to make a wager for charity?
Some people, like Francesa, think that the Yankees will overpay Jeter so he is the face of the franchise for the remainder of his natural life.
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Jeter is as much of face of franchise as Posada, Mo, Bernie, Pauly Oneil, and Pettite.
When i think of championship years , i think of all those guys. My personal favorite was Oneil and Bernie. I am sure most the fans have theirs.
in a way, Jeter has made so much off the Yankees Brand on top of 190 millon dollar paycheck he just collected from the yankees. one can logically say, Jeter should almost consider a hometown discount. I can honestly say if Yankees let jeter walk i won’t bat an eye lash. but to blindly giving him whatever amount of money as Francesa suggested, I can only assume that money is going come out his pocket.
# Rich in NJ August 17th, 2010 at 12:44 am
“Neither of their deals will stop the Yankees from getting someone they think is necessary to field a winning team.”
Do you want to make a wager for charity?
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absolutely , if by ‘charity’ you mean the Cashmoney Fund for the hunger and destitute.
pepitone let’s agree to disagree. none of the names for fielders you mentioned improved at the latter agews.
hoyt wilhelm, jamie m