Gardner leading off, Cano cleaning up
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 17, 2010 
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Alex Rodriguez and Lance Berkman are out, Nick Swisher is in.
Brett Gardner LF
Derek Jeter SS
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Jorge Posada C
Marcus Thames DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Ramiro Pena 3B
The under/over for runs scored is 0.
# GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Rodg, Zaun is history. I think he has a torn labrum or elbow ligament. As far as another catcher, I was hoping that NYYs picked up John Buck two years ago. He won’t hit .290 or .300, but he can catch and throw and give you 15 or more homers.
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Didn’t know Zaun’s injury was that bad, GB. Thanks for the info. I know you’ve been talking Buck for a while now. One of the reasons I threw his name out there. I think he’d be a good get in the offseason. Add some RH pop to the line-up and allow Jorge to catch less and (hopefully) be more effective when he does.
#Rich: I’ll take the under.
Didn’t know Zaun’s injury was that bad, GB. Thanks for the info. I know you’ve been talking Buck for a while now. One of the reasons I threw his name out there. I think he’d be a good get in the offseason. Add some RH pop to the line-up and allow Jorge to catch less and (hopefully) be more effective when he does.
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Yes…. but we are holding out hope that Montero will be the other catcher in 2010. I still would like to see POsada move to full time dh, bring montero up and still get Buck. Then You have three catchers, and Posada less likely to get hurt.
He wont be happy, but if you tell him this is how it is, he can use the offseason to mentally prepare for full time DH.
I say Yankees light it up for 7 runs tonight.
Call me crazy but I like that lineup. I think the yanks bats will wake up @ some point tonight
“The under/over for runs scored is 0.”
Under
CB August 17th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
“Zaun is history. I think he has a torn labrum or elbow ligament. ”
I didn’t see that. When did it happen?
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CB, unless I mis read it, about a month ago. My typing isn’t much, but I read fairly well. I’ll try to find it and post it.
I’ll feel like a fool if I find out that it was Paula Zaun.
And with Gardner leading off in front of jeter, he better take second the moment he steps on first. Stay out of DPs.
I know many here will be happy about Jeter dropping to second in the line up, but I think it’s a mistake. It just increases the amount of double play opportunities for Jeter.
The Yankees will win tonight
Book it!
CB, Here’s one news release on Zaun.
http://www.wrn.com/2010/05/zau…..reatening/
I say Pena has 3 rbi alone, he has a .667 BA against…yes, I know, very SSS!
g.love – “If they’re not and you’ve traded Montero who is the DH then? Where is the offense coming from?”
It better be from who you traded montero for. Otherwise this conversation is pointless.
The player we are talking about trading montero for is not some scrub.
Montero’s success is also not a guaranteed thing, like you guys are treating it. If you can acquire 1 or 2 established major league players that are going to start in positions of need for the next 4-5 years (ss, 3b, of, sp), then that is absolutely the higher value move, rather than letting a “prospect” lock up your DH slot for the next 5 years who may never develop at the major league level..
RSM August 17th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
I know many here will be happy about Jeter dropping to second in the line up, but I think it?s a mistake. It just increases the amount of double play opportunities for Jeter.
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Hypothetically, GGBG will be running
Ledger_Yankees ARod still a little sore. After going through treatment today, Girardi will decide if he’s a PH option
Ledger_Yankees Hughes won’t be getting skipped in the Yanks’ long stretch
# ac1 August 17th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
Yes…. but we are holding out hope that Montero will be the other catcher in 2010. I still would like to see POsada move to full time dh, bring montero up and still get Buck. Then You have three catchers, and Posada less likely to get hurt.
He wont be happy, but if you tell him this is how it is, he can use the offseason to mentally prepare for full time DH.
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AC, I’m hoping for that three-man C group too. Only, I think it would be Posada/Buck splitting the majority of time at C with Montero at DH most of the time (with some C sprinkled in).
People aren’t complaining enough about the line-up to make them hit and prove you wrong tonight.
Thanks for the news on Zaun. Happened while I was traveling.
I know many here will be happy about Jeter dropping to second in the line up, but I think it’s a mistake. It just increases the amount of double play opportunities for Jeter.
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Hoping with Pena 9th and Gardner 1st, that they will steal if they get on and not let jeter have the doubple play opp…
Jeter isnt an idiot, he has to see what is going on. Try Bunt singles maybe? I dont know. I am stunned that we are having this discussion about Jeter. After .337 last year, i wouldn’t have guessed he would have fallen this far, even if he is injured.
# RSM August 17th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
I know many here will be happy about Jeter dropping to second in the line up, but I think it’s a mistake. It just increases the amount of double play opportunities for Jeter.
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It increases it by 1. Maybe. C’mon now.
Any time, CB.
Erica in NY August 17th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Hypothetically, GGBG will be running
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Hypothetically, GGBG won’t be running on the 1st or 2nd pitch every Jeter AB. Which is (lately) when Jeter is swinging and grounding out.
AC, I’m hoping for that three-man C group too. Only, I think it would be Posada/Buck splitting the majority of time at C with Montero at DH most of the time (with some C sprinkled in).
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Maybe…. but posada is such a health risk behind the plate now, that i dont think he should be splitting 50/50 or 60/40 with buck or anyone. It is important to keep him in the lineup.
No winners on GTLU, I am willing to bet.
“If you can acquire 1 or 2 established major league players that are going to start in positions of need for the next 4-5 years (ss, 3b, of, sp), then that is absolutely the higher value move, rather than letting a “prospect” lock up your DH slot for the next 5 years who may never develop at the major league level..”
But your never going to get this kind of return for montero.
Jack Z essentially decided to trade Montero for Smoak because monero doesn’t have a set position.
And what positions do the yankees have “open” over the next two years?
Jeter will be back playing SS next season. ARod will still be here at 3b.
The Yankees are running out of positions. They only ones potentially open are DH, catcher and possibly one OF spot.
At some point the yankees best allocation of resources will be to put a plus bat at DH. All of the other positions are spoken for.
I doubt you will see a three man catching rotation.
That messes up your pitching staff. Pitchers have a hard time adjusting to that many catchers.
They will have to make a call in the off-season as to who stays and who goes because a 3 man catching rotation is very unlikely to take place in NY.
SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Well, considering I raised a nephew who was a first round draft pick as a catcher, and I am involved daily in his development, I think I can speak fairly intelligently on this subject.
I know how teams develop catchers and what they look for.
In particular, I know intimately what the Yankees want, and how they choose to develop, their catchers.
One advantage Cervelli had was that he caught a lot of the regular starting pitchers in ST last year. Montero has not. That matters.
Jesus Montero is a below average defensive catcher.
They aren’t looking to “teach him” how to catch at the ML level in the middle of the pennant race.
He’s not the answer to the Yankees problems.
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It seems odd that such an important man in baseball should spend so much of his time on a silly fan blog. Do you keep an exact count of your meeting times for name-dropping purposes in cocktail party conversations?
I’m sure all you GTLU-ers already know, but there was no correct lineup submitted today.
Detroit
Jackson CF, Santiago 2B, Damon DH, Cabrera 1B, Peralta SS, Raburn LF, Inge 3B, Boesch RF, Laird C.
I don’t think anyone won GTLU.
I doubt you will see a three man catching rotation.
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Not hoping for a rotation. Hoping Posada will DH and catch only from time to time.
NYYs dida great job being able to sign their first 13 draft picks amd 16 of the first 17. Cito Culver and Kyle “Holy” Roller are having very good starts.
ID,
You’ll never get 2 quality major league players for Montero. You might be able to get an all star but you would also have to add other prospects to the mix with Montero.
The genius in keeping Montero is you are one step (albeit the most important step) away from developing the kind of bat every team in the league wishes they can develop.
If he flops, he flops. If he rakes, he’s our cleanup hitter of the future. He’s on the doorstep.
I don’t see any difference in batting Jeter 2nd here. He’s still following Gardner, except for his very first at-bat.
It actually increases the opportunity to GIDP by 1, if you worry about such things, doesn’t it?
YankeesWFAN Yogi Berra is here today. 1st time since his fall last month. Walking with a cane, but looks good. Welcome home Yogi!
I really think we should leave left field open for Laird/Curtis/etc….
Bringing Crawford in blocks yet another position. He have guys that can hit in AAA.
The joys of semi-retired life.
Hopefully, you will have the same opportunity one day.
Actually, you do keep a pre-draft log of meetings, and what’s said in them.
It helps during contract negotiations.
Thanks for asking.
The Mets are Pond Scum just getting owned in this and the previous thread. Run away, scum.
g.love – “never” is a big word. we almost got the best left handed pitcher in the game… i’d say 2 ML ready bats aren’t that absurd at all. having to add “other prospects” is not really a concern…
As for Jeter: I refuse to believe this is what we will get from Jeter moving forward. Something has to be wrong with him. He can’t get the ball in the air at all. There is no way he is too old to hit .300 or above.
I almost wish they would figure out if he is hurt, put him onthe DL to rest for the stretch, and bring up Nunez or something, because we need Jeter to be Jeter, and this is not it.
Montero will have a place on this team, but Romine is the catcher of the future.
And in the shocker of the year (sarcasm), Brett Favre appears to have returned.
rdog – he was getting owned as “drivenbyjeter2″ before he tried to hide… too bad he came back with the same exact posting style.
Ledger_Yankees: DRob, right handed, just made a leaping catch against the rf wall. half a minute ago via web
Ledger_Yankees: Pettitte throwing in the bullpen now. 2 minutes ago via web
I guess D-Rob is going to be on call as PH/RF in case Swisher’s arm is still sore? Don’t know how much power he would hit for, not blessed with great size. Hopefully Andy can push off a little closer to 100% this time.
Great news about Yogi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no MO in CF, no Mitre in LF, ugh….. what’s going on?
DRob was shagging flies in KC with a glove on his right hand and making throws with his left.
Among AL pitchers who have thrown 2000 or more pitches this year (there are 46 of them), Sabathia ranks as the 5th most efficient, throwing 15.08 pitches per inning (trails only Hernandez 15.05, Neiman at 14.60 , American Idle’s 14.07, and Cliff Lee’s ridiculous 13.41). Verlander averages 17 per inning.
Who you think last longer tonight?
Make Verlander work and get to him early (4.69 ERA in innings 1-3, 2.37 in innings 4-7).
Well they can’t hit scrubs so hopefully they light up verlander.
Who you think last longer tonight?
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depends how patient are the Yankees and Tigers hitters , but I think CC might last longer.
Rich in NJ August 17th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Great news about Yogi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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which makes me think Phil Rizutto for some reason. I miss his voice and his gentle soul.
The Yanks will snap out of this funk tonight and score some runs against Verlander. They will beat Verlander because he is not a rookie, not a journeyman and doesn’t have an era over 5. Verlander will be screaming at the RF porch tonight like he was last year. Go Yanks!!
remember the good o days when we would win in the 9th, one day its melky the next maybe johnny and after that its matsui.
remember the good o days when we would win in the 9th, one day its melky the next maybe johnny and after that its matsui.
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Still have ARod and now Thames too.
Side note: In the pie era, jeter has not hit a walk off. Maybe he is anti-pie…
ESPN showing helicopter video of Favres SUV driving in Minnesota? Can it get any more absurd?
frankyb August 17th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
remember the good o days when we would win in the 9th, one day its melky the next maybe johnny and after that its matsui.
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Johnny grinding out 10 pitch ABS, Godzilla going deep, Melkman delivers ! good times, good times.
As a Jays fan I can tell some of you are thinking well with the Buck idea, I think he’d be a great fit in your bandbox of a stadium and his defense would actually represent an upgrade on Posada despite the fact it isn’t all that great (although he’s gotten better at throwing out runners as the season has progressed). The 3 Cs idea can definitely work as Scioscia is showing in LAA, especially once you accept the fact that Posada is pretty much the everyday DH as opposed to trying to stash him behind the plate. After the Yankees are done signing Carl Crawford that would leave a bench of Gardner, Pena, Cervelli, and an old thumper bat, which would be a bench capable of filling in well for any injury/day off.
frankyb August 17th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
remember the good o days when we would win in the 9th, one day its melky the next maybe johnny and after that its matsui.
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and Jeter was having a near career year. What do they all have in common? None are hitting close to 2009 numbers.
In other words, last year was last year.
Yankees winning tonight 7-0, CG Shutout by CC !
pat August 17th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
ESPN showing helicopter video of Favres SUV driving in Minnesota? Can it get any more absurd?
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yes, up next , Lebron’s conference call on which Lavatory he will be using in Madison Square Garden.
ESPN needs to be shot and put out of it’s misery.
It’s pretty remarkable, to me, having seen it rise to prominence and turn to tabloid this quickly.
There will be no more submissions accepted for my apparently hugely unpopular game of GWBODLI
The answer appears to be “Golden Retriever”
http://www.dailyrecord.com/art.....rk-Yankees
That isn’t Brett Farve. That a reinactment of Al Cowlings and OJ Simpson on an LA freeway.
Pat yes it can when they showed the police car pulling him over for a stop
For those that didn’t hear it here is the bullet points from the Jay interview with Damon.
- loved the ovation he got in his first AB. Wanted it to last longer but Cervelli kept trying to get Vasquez to throw a pitch.
-NY was his favorite place he’s ever played. “way more than Boston”
-regarding last winter…all he wanted was two years and the negociation time with the Yankees was about 10 minutes (there were a lot of pauses and uhms during this part of the interview).
-he thought the Yankees would be better with him on the team.
greenBeret7 melky did not have a career year last year. he was a solid ball player and was clutch
frankyb August 17th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
greenBeret7 melky did not have a career year last year. he was a solid ball player and was clutch
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Reading and understand what you read has become an issue for you, huh? I didn’t say anything about Cabrera having a career year.
A-Rod, CC, Tex, Burnett, Posada, Cano, Swisher, Granderson, Marte- 9 players owed a total of 135.1M next season.
Let’s say Mo resigns for 15M, same as 2010, Jeter takes a pay cut to 18M, Pettitte decides to return for the same 11.75M. Now you’re at 179.85M, or almost 2 million of the new luxury tax threshold of 178M for 2011.
Now you have 12 players signed. OK now you add Lee to replace Vazquez who’s not offered arbitration, and you have to outbid Texas, even though you know it’s a 40% tax hike. No other pitcher since 1900, per Buster Olney, has had the strikeout to walks ratio that he’s had. Let’s say 22M, maybe more if he leads them to the promised land.
Now your at 201.85M for 13 players.
Need contracts for the others.
How aggressive do you think the Yankees will be in the offseason to go for the likes of a Werth, or Crawford, or another pitcher to start if Pettitte doesn’t come back??
Maybe Boras will advise A-Rod to defer some of his money to add another righthanded power hitter to the lineup!!
The yankees lineup is best with gardner leading off and jeter 2nd. You get Gardners speed at the top and it adds length to the whole lineup….
I REALLY like the look of this lineup. So much better with Gardner batting lead off…
I would rather have Jeter bat 6 or 7, but that’s not gonna happen (Swisher was better at #2)