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Yankees sign 29 draft picks

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 17, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Before Monday’s signing deadline, the Yankees signed 29 draft picks including each of their top 13 selections.

Top overall pick Bryce Harper agreed to a deal with Nationals in literally the minute before the midnight deadline. The Nats front office celebrated — seriously — with a pie to the face of their general manager.

As provided by the Yankees player development staff in Tampa, here’s a list of the picks the Yankees signed.

1 Culver, Cito
2 Gumbs, Angelo
3 Segedin, Robert
4 Williams, Mason
5 Kahnle, Thomas
6 Encinas, Gabe
7 Anderson, Taylor
8 Roller, Kyle
9 Morton, Taylor
10 Gamel, Benjamin
11 Varce, Zachary
12 Burawa, Daniel
13 Austin, Christopher
15 Whitley, Chase
16 Rutckyj, Evan
17 Claiborne, Preston
20 Ferraro, Michael
21 Hobbs, Dustin
22 Johnson, Trevor
23 Brown, Shane
24 Mullee, Conor
25 Stevenson, Casey
30 Nuding, Zachary
31 Gipson, James
32 Sneed, Kramer
35 Oliver, William
36 McCoy, Nick
46 Forer, Nathan
47 Lewis, Frederick

 
 

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208 Responses to “Yankees sign 29 draft picks”

  1. champ809 August 17th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    repost-

    champ809 August 17th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
    Craw to me would be a much better fit on this team than Granderson as he is the better overall hitter and player and the perfect # 2 hitter for this team.

    He would move Gardner over to CF and provide a defensive upgrade in CF along with a GG in LF which by default improves RF defense as well.

    With Craw and Gardy on the team you have 2 perennial 50 steals guys on your team which is a huge weapon to have in your offense particularly with guys like Jeter and ARod not running as much.

    The only issue would be the depressed value of Granderson on the market in the offseason barring a huge finish and postseason.

    The $ could be as well depending on the 2011 budget but I don’t believe Craw will get $100 mil from anybody and more see him in the 15mil per with 5-6yrs being the tops for him imo.

  2. Drivenbyjeter2 August 17th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    I’m interested to see how this Cito Culver kid turns out since it was kinda a surprise pick by the Yanks. They must know something we dont know…. and i can’t wait to see it!

    And again, for my daily post ritual it seems like these days, YANKS NEED TO BRING UP MONTERO!

    With 3 of the big hitters iffy for the next couple games, and Cervelli is ONLY hurting the team, Yanks need to bring up Montero up for good. He could catch the starters Cervelli caught and maybe DH here and there.

  3. Erin August 17th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    GTLU-this would be a lot easier if we knew for sure who’s playing and who isn’t. LOL I’ll go ahead and give Alex and Swish the day off.

    SS Jeter
    CF Granderson
    1B Teixeira
    2B Cano
    C Posada
    DH Berkman
    RF Kearns
    LF Gardner
    3B Pena

  4. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    drivenbyjeter2 – maybe since you’ve posted “bring up montero” every day, you could save yourself the time… and actually read one of the 500 posts explaining why that is a terrible idea.

  5. Giuseppe Franco August 17th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    You are going to have Montero catch pitchers he’s never caught before in the middle of a pennant race?

    Yeah, that sounds like a grand idea.

  6. SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    No, they don’t need to bring up Montero.

    He’s not the answer to their hitting woes.

    He’s not even close to being ready to catch a game, and handle a major league pitching staff, at this time.

  7. CB August 17th, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    Repost:

    Regarding off season moves the club might make -

    It’s unlikely to happen, but I’d like to see Cash at least inquire on what it would take to trade for Matt Kemp.

    He’s had a disastrous year in LA and his relationship seems to be deteriorating with the Dodgers FO. I know Colletti has said they aren’t going to trade him, but this winter they may listen on him.

    And you never know what Ned Colletti is willing to do.

  8. Bret The Hitman August 17th, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    The great thing about Montero emerging on the scene soon is that he’s a righty. Other potential Yankee newcomers to the 25-man are also righties – Laird and Nunez. Romine is another righty bat that could join the team long term.

    If that group of righties plays into the long term plan then Crawford being a lefty fits the context of the future. Most of the hitting help on the way are righties.

  9. CB August 17th, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    When Miguel Cabrera was called up at age 20 he put up a .793 OPS.

    Jason Heyward is as talented a ball player to enter the game as we’ve seen over the last 10 years.

    Heyward right now is hitting .256 with an .808 OPS.

    The track record of players in their age 20 seasons – even for guys who go on to the hall of fame eventually – aren’t great in any respect.

    There’s no reason to think Montero – as talented as he is – is going to do any better at the plate and that’s not even counting the issues he’ll face catching.

  10. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    i still say there’s a way better chance of montero being traded than him every starting a game at catcher in pinstripes.

  11. Giuseppe Franco August 17th, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    # Shame Spencer August 17th, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Good point Giuseppe Franco, any ideas on who will be shuffled around when those guys make their way back?? I assume we will drop someone out of the bullpen and off the bench..

    ————

    It would have to be 2/3 of the long men trio. That said, I can see them waiting until Sept 1st to activate Aceves due to his risky health at this point.

    It’s so close to Sept 1st (and they’ve all pitched really well of late) that they may prefer to keep all of them so they don’t catch on with another club to help them.

  12. Shame Spencer August 17th, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Montero isn’t coming up this season.. but what do you guys see happening next year? Posada can only be expected to catch around 80 games, right? So do they start Montero in the bigs? Or get a backup vet here next season?

  13. MTU August 17th, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Shame-

    3-way split IMO. Po, Montero, and ?. :)

  14. Shame Spencer August 17th, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    I agree about Ace. I have the same concerns about Andy, though its to a lesser degree. I’m wary of messing around with the bullpen too much because of how well they’ve performed as of late but I guess things can change in a couple weeks to give us a better idea of who would be moved.

  15. Erica in NY August 17th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    All you folks who are itching for Montero to get called up crack me up

    How quickly will you turn on him if the rookie doesn’t prove to be the team’s savior in his first at bat?

    Will you wait more than one game before declaring him a waste and saying we should have traded him for the player of the day?

  16. Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    repost
    Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    Giuseppe Franco August 17th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
    Manny Ramirez won’t even cut his hair. There are better odds that I become the Yankee DH next season.
    ———————————–
    no, GF , there are no odds that you will become Yankee’s DH at all, but hyperbole aside, I like Mandred over all those other guys .

    as far as Hair goes, the facial hair thingie with Yankees never made any sense to me. it’s a silly and arbitrary rule , that’s all.

  17. GoldGlove9486 August 17th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Memo to Joe Girardi…you don’t HAVE to us the DH. By American League rule, the home team can elect to let the pitcher bat. TAKE A FEW HACKS, CC!!!

  18. MTU August 17th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    Yankee off season priorities:

    Cliff Lee

    Cliff Lee

    And

    Cliff Lee

    :)

  19. Joe from Long Island August 17th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    CB – interesting that you bring up Matt Kemp. When I saw that he was having issues with Bowa and the coaching staff there, coupled with his off year, I started to wonder about that. I don’t know enough, obviously, to say what’s been the problem there, and whether a change of scenery might be his answer. But, with his reported talent and skills, and young age, you wonder. Some young arms might interest the Dodgers. Something to think about during the winter.

  20. Shame Spencer August 17th, 2010 at 2:18 pm

    If they did the 3-way split I would expect Cervelli to be the 3rd guy on the team. Makes sense given his cost and his talent. We’ve heard a lot of posters here say he’s not as effective when starting so many games so maybe if he was only dealing with 50ish games a season his stats would be better.

  21. Drivenbyjeter2 August 17th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Okay, he’s been catching and learning in the minor leagues for a LONG time.

    HE CAN CATCH A BIG LEAGUE GAME. It’s honestly not that much more difficult than catching a minor league one. it’s not like he’s actually going to be calling the game. the pitching coach will call tell him each pitch to call. Not that difficult…

    Posada shouldn’t even be calling the games x_x montero isn’t much worse….

  22. Betsy August 17th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Well, I probably won’t be back on until late tonight…………I’m off to get a Lobel’s sandwich and maybe even check out the Yankees game……….

  23. Fran the original August 17th, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Hi Doreen,

    I’ll try although I am not very confident today. Seems like a Girardi kind of day

    Derek SS
    Granderson CF
    Tex 1B
    Robbie 2B
    Jorge C
    Thames DH
    Kearns RF
    Gardner LF
    Pena 3B

    Thanks :)

  24. Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    CB, I would definitely look into Kemp who is as talented as they come…. Gardner, Joba, Montero will get it done?

  25. Drivenbyjeter2 August 17th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    P.s. he’s more than major league ready to hit at this point. I mean they’ve brought up all these other guys to hit that haven’t hit nearly as well as Montero has in AAA. Look at Cervelli, he SKIPPED Triple A.

  26. upstate kate August 17th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    what, I must have missed something…GF is going to be the Yankees new DH?! That must have been some recovery :)

  27. Betsy August 17th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Montero is not ready, no matter what he’s doing in the minors; he is not the savior for this team. The only thing that will help is our talented players doing what they are supposed to. He can not cover for a bad Alex, Jeter, etc…

  28. Drivenbyjeter2 August 17th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    Cashmoney, REALLY? You’re going to give up ALL of that for Kemp?

    Montero may be just a good hitter or better than Kemp some day. Gardner is the ultimate spark to our offense and has come into a really good hitter and great fielder.

    Joba, can’t really say anything to save him from getting dealt except the fact that he does have good stuff and maybe can change back to what he used to be.

    But, ALL of those guys for one outfielder (who’s not even the best at his position) is absurd

  29. Erica in NY August 17th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Bobby Thomson of the Giants and “The Shot Heard Round the World” died

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....mlb-263060

  30. MTU August 17th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Shame-

    Maybe. Or maybe they go out an get another inexpensive guy like was mentioned ? A Buck or Zaun for instance. Cervy might be adequate in a reduced role but if Po went down again then what ?

    You don’t want to overexpose Cervy or Jesus. Cervy might just disappear. :)

  31. Bret The Hitman August 17th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Do we have the young pitching to be able to make a compelling offer to the Dodgers for Matt Kemp? What is a compelling offer?

  32. SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    If you think catching a minor league game is the same as a big league game, you probably shouldn’t comment on this subject because you don’t know what you are talking about.

    To think he is a better option than Posada at this point, further advances your ignorance on the subject.

  33. Drivenbyjeter2 August 17th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    I’m not asking Montero to be their savior for the Yankees offense. He would Help that’s for sure. Gonna hit a TON better than Cervelli the 2-3 games he plays in during the week.

    Montero would be a solid batter at the end of the lineup with power as opposed to an automatic out lately or possibly single up the middle, in Cervelli.

  34. Giuseppe Franco August 17th, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    no, GF , there are no odds that you will become Yankee’s DH at all, but hyperbole aside, I like Mandred over all those other guys .

    as far as Hair goes, the facial hair thingie with Yankees never made any sense to me. it’s a silly and arbitrary rule , that’s all.

    ————

    And there are no odds Manny becomes the DH next season as well.

    Whether you agree with the facial /long hair dress code is irrelevant. It was a team rule that was implemented by the Boss and it was very important to him.

    You can bet your ass Hal is going to be a big stickler to that rule. If nothing else, but to honor his father.

    That rule is not going to change as long as a Steinbrenner owns this franchise.

  35. Bret The Hitman August 17th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    The Dodgers are also thin at catcher…so maybe Romine or Montero would compel Colletti.

  36. Drivenbyjeter2 August 17th, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    SJ44 half the catchers in the majors DONT EVEN CALL THE GAME!! They just get the signal from the dugout. I think Jesus Montero is able to do that….

    He can do just a good a job at calling the game as Cervelli.

  37. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Of what possible use is Ramirez to the Yankees? He’s stopped hitting for any semblance of power and isn’t even producing runs. The worst part is that his stays hurt and behaves like a clown. He’s not needed. he’s 38 years old and moves like he’s 48.

  38. Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    And there are no odds Manny becomes the DH next season as well.
    —————————————————————-
    how do you figure that ? no odds?

    and Manny will cut his hair including pubic if you pay him,

  39. Drivenbyjeter2 August 17th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    And i agree with the offer up their for Kemp!! ^^^

    Romine, Joba, and a prospect like Nunez or something could probably get it done

  40. Drivenbyjeter2 August 17th, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    And i agree with the offer up their for Kemp!! ^^^

    Romine, Joba, and a prospect like Nunez or something could probably get it done

  41. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    drivenbyjeter2 – “Gonna hit a TON better than Cervelli the 2-3 games he plays in during the week. ”

    This is what we call “pure speculation”. You have no idea. None.

  42. Shame Spencer August 17th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    MTU – true. A veteran catcher would be preferable. I was thinking that since Cervelli has the experience with the starters and the organization he could be a help to Montero and then have Posada as the fearless leader of the bunch. But hey, any scenario the front office is fine with is ok by me.

  43. MTU August 17th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    I’d rather have my nails ripped off one by one than to ever see Manny Ramirez in Pinstripes.

    Fortunately, he will never be a Yankee.

  44. SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Wrong again.

    At the major league level, the only signal that comes from the bench are throw overs and pitch outs.

    Catchers call the games at the major league level. That’s why it takes so long to develop them.

    Trust me, I know a little bit about this subject.

    You don’t know what you are talking about.

    He doesn’t know any of these hitters.

    You don’t throw a 20 year old catcher into the middle of a pennant race and expect him to hit the ground running.

    That’s not how it works.

  45. Warning Track Power August 17th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    the injuries to ARod & Berkman have me concerned.

    if the Yankees decide to make a roster move, i have a feeling someone from the pen will be sent down to make room for another bat/glove.

    Boone Logan comes to mind first because he has options.
    plain and simple.

  46. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    and kemp has to be one of the most immature players in baseball right now.

  47. Giuseppe Franco August 17th, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    # Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    how do you figure that ? no odds?

    and Manny will cut his hair including pubic if you pay him,

    ————

    No, he won’t. He got paid with the Dodgers and wouldn’t cut his hair – with Torre as manager, no less.

    What makes you think he’d do it with the Yankees? Cashman knows better than to think he’ll change.

    He’s not going to be a Yankee next year for all the reasons GB mentioned above – and then some.

  48. SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Manny won’t cut his hair for anybody.

    Zero chance he becomes a Yankee.

    They want no part of him.

  49. Chambliss August 17th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Cervelli is an offensive liability, but the Yankee lineup should be able to absorb his weaknesses in that area.

    It seems as if the Yankee pitchers are comfortable pitching to Cervelli, and that factor should not be discounted. Throwing an inexperienced catcher into that mix could have an adverse impact on the pitching staff.

    To me the issue with this team right now is the ineffective starting pitching from anyone not named Hughes or Sabathia. Javy, A.J. and Dustin are very inconsistent at this point, and Hughes is on the way to hitting his innings limit. It is easy to see why the Yankees were willing to give up Montero for Lee. They need another quality starter, even when Andy gets back.

  50. SportsGeek August 17th, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    <>
    Doreen GTLU

    SS Jeter
    CF Granderson
    1B Tex
    3B Arod
    2B Cano
    C Posada
    DH Berkman
    RF Kearns
    LF Gardner

  51. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    The last time a 10-20 year old catcher was entrusted to handle a ML pitching staff for team that was of post season calibre was Johnny Bench. Montero is not quite yet Johnny Bench. His bat might surpass bench, but, the defense isn’t.

  52. MTU August 17th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    Are we talking about Kemp as potential CF’er or as a corner guy because he’s a big boy and I have heard he likes to eat. True or Not ? Change of scenery and possibly restaurants might do him good.

    Wouldn’t give GGBG, Montero, and Joba for him though. Too much IMO.

  53. CB August 17th, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    I don’t know if the Dodgers would entertain offers for Kemp. Not sure what it might take. It was just a thought to look into.

    He is immature but that would be the only reason he’d be available. And as we’ve seen with Cano it pays to be patient.

    You can’t teach that kind of bat speed.

  54. Bob August 17th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    I think what we have is what we will have going forward. Sink or swim. As much as I would love to bring up Montero, they won’t rush him. I’m all out of ideas how to help this team and Cashman doesn’t take my calls anyway.

  55. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    The last time a ***19-20*** year old catcher

  56. MTU August 17th, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    SJ-

    You never know with Ramirez. He stopped taking his female hormones so maybe he would cut his hair now. ;)

  57. upstate kate August 17th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    remember what a disaster it was when Pudge joined the Yankees mid season?
    It would seem to me that there has to be a comfort level and some trust between a pitcher and catcher. You can’t just throw anyone in there and expect good results.

  58. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 2:38 pm

    CB – cano’s “immaturity’ was not destructive to the team though. kemp’s is on the field plain as day. didnt he flat out disrespect the owners or the GM in the media too?

  59. Erica in NY August 17th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Erin-

    If you are out there, this is for you

    http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/08.....me-street/

  60. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Rene Rivera is a better choice to fill in for the Yankees as a back-up catcher than bringing Montero or Romine up. Moeller is just roster filler at AAA and is worse with a bat than Cervelli, not to mention isn’t as good densively.

  61. stuart a August 17th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    montero catching this year at the major league level no way. but if they needed a bat for a few games as a dh that is a maybe.

    they would run on montero 3 times worse then they are now on posada and cervelli.

    the yanks lineup tonight even with injuries is good. jeter, granderson, tex, cano, posada, gardner, etc is a damn good lineup they need to just do there jobs……

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 17th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    I think I have to be in the vast minority, but I’m not that crazy about Cliff Lee. Naturally I’ll cheer him on the minute he puts on pinstripes, if he ends up here. I’m hoping the Rangers want him enough to pay for him. JMO

  63. Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Giuseppe Franco August 17th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
    # Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    how do you figure that ? no odds?

    and Manny will cut his hair including pubic if you pay him,

    ————

    No, he won’t. He got paid with the Dodgers and wouldn’t cut his hair – with Torre as manager, no less.

    What makes you think he’d do it with the Yankees? Cashman knows better than to think he’ll change.

    He’s not going to be a Yankee next year for all the reasons GB mentioned above – and then some.
    ———————————–
    dodgers don’t have a clear cut team rule as Yankees do, Torre wasn’t strictly enforcing Manny to cut his hair. If Manny is on the Yankees he will cut his hair.

    Yeah , Manny is not having a good year power wise and is hurt, but he has a track record and one can argue this is just a bad year. ( See Jeter) Manny still was doing with RISP and OPS overall before he got hurt. for one year, I think Manny makes sense @ DH as much as anyone .

  64. Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Free Manny!

  65. UnKnown August 17th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    GTLU

    Jeter SS
    Granderson CF
    Tex 1b
    Cano 2b
    Posada C
    Berkman DH
    Kearns RF
    Gardner LF
    Pena 3b

    Zero chance of winning the GTLU today, probably. I do feel that Berkman is going to be a tough Puma and DH. Thames against Verlander, I hate that matchup.

    CC needs to throw zeros up all night, to have a chance.

  66. trisha - true pinstriped blue August 17th, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    That was a hit-and-run, in case anyone wants to question my sanity regarding not wanting Cliff Lee. I’ll be back later.

    :)

  67. CB August 17th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    “cano’s “immaturity’ was not destructive to the team though”

    Two years ago yankee fans by the throngs would have angrily disagreed with that statement.

    “didnt he flat out disrespect the owners or the GM in the media too?”

    It was supposedly more the opposite. Colletti has said some dumb things about him calling him out in the press. More recently Kemp’s agent got very angry about some things Larry Bowa supposedly said, etc, etc.

    The dodgers are a zoo so who knows what’s happening.

    The issues with Kemp may settle down when Torre leaves. I think they had issues.

  68. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    manny did cut his hair for torre, he shortened the dreds his first season in LA.

    but manny off the drugs has no place being discussed. he’s going to be hurt all the time until he retires.

  69. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    CB – “Two years ago yankee fans by the throngs would have angrily disagreed with that statement.”

    Those fans are the same ones calling for montero now, complaining about the roster every time we lose and handing out rings every time we win.

    … and I’m still ignoring their opinions. :)

  70. Giuseppe Franco August 17th, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Cashmoney,

    Well, you keep thinking that if you wish but I’d prefer to target realistic options when the time comes.

    I’d be happy to put money on Manny not coming to the Bronx.

  71. Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
    manny did cut his hair for torre, he shortened the dreds his first season in LA.

    but manny off the drugs has no place being discussed. he’s going to be hurt all the time until he retires.
    ——————————
    there is possiblity of him being hurt, no question about. I am simply saying if Yanks can get him on one year and 10-15 mil contract, i will take a gamble. If it doesn’t work, it’s not like Yanks don’t have the resources to replace him.
    317/409/517 slash line doesn’t scream he is done by any means.

    it’s funny how we defend Jeter @ 36 year playing SS having a bad year as anomaly but easily dismiss the same can be said about Manny.

  72. Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    Giuseppe Franco August 17th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
    Cashmoney,

    Well, you keep thinking that if you wish but I’d prefer to target realistic options when the time comes.

    I’d be happy to put money on Manny not coming to the Bronx.
    =====================
    i am pretty realistic, I think his chance coming here are not great , but not nonexistent.
    I love Manny as a hitter and he is proven that he is one of the toughest outs when the lights are on the brightest. He is just a great hitter period.

  73. YankeeBlue222 August 17th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    I agree that Montero isn’t ready and it’d be a huge risk to bring him up.

    However, is it safe to say that by not bringing him up, it shows that his defense would hurt the team more than Cervelli’s hitting?

    If Montero was even respectable defensively, there would be no doubt he’d be on the team right now.

  74. clownthrowindown August 17th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    Texas wants Lee and will pay him whatever it takes. Nolan Ryan is building a team that contends every year with both pitching and offense. The only question is will Lee want to stay or would he prefer NY? The Rangers are up and coming while the Yankees are aging fast. Texas is brutally hot, NY weather is better overall. Quality of life for your family depends on what you are looking for. There’s so many things that will go into his decision. But NY won’t have any financial advantage. Either way, I’m sure the guy is dying for stability somewhere.

  75. The Other Phil August 17th, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    It continues to make me laugh that a team with A-Rod, Tex, Cano, Swish, Jeet etc. is going to be saved by a 20yr old catcher who is a below average defender and doesn’t know the pitching staff or major league hitters to properly call a game.
    Oh, and having him DH won’t set him back in his catching development.

    Comedy gold, man! Comedy gold!

  76. Cashman needs to go August 17th, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    Wrong again.

    At the major league level, the only signal that comes from the bench are throw overs and pitch outs.

    Catchers call the games at the major league level. That’s why it takes so long to develop them.

    Trust me, I know a little bit about this subject.

    You don’t know what you are talking about.

    He doesn’t know any of these hitters.

    You don’t throw a 20 year old catcher into the middle of a pennant race and expect him to hit the ground running.

    That’s not how it works.
    ********************

    I admit I don’t know much about catching but the yankees did it with cervelli last year – and he wasn’t even in AAA (like montero)

    also didn’t the cleveland indians bring up carlos santana from AAA this year and put him right in at catcher on the big team?

    so its not like it hasn’t ever happened…..

  77. SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    There are plenty of differences between Jeter and Manny.

    Jeter can still play everyday in the field. Manny cannot.

    Nobody is paying a DH 15 million dollars a year.

    Jeter is the face of the Yankees franchise and the leader of the team.

    Manny is anything but that kind of player.

    They also don’t need the nonsense Manny brings to every stop. He no longer produces enough to warrant taking his nonsense.

    Its more than just slash lines which is why he will never play for the Yankees.

  78. Giuseppe Franco August 17th, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    Yes, I’m sure Texas will trump whatever the Yanks offer Lee. LOL. Get real.

    The Rangers don’t have nearly as much money as you think, especially when you consider how much more they had to spend to win the auction than they anticipated.

  79. Drivenbyjeter2 August 17th, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    Wrong again.

    At the major league level, the only signal that comes from the bench are throw overs and pitch outs.

    Catchers call the games at the major league level. That’s why it takes so long to develop them.

    Trust me, I know a little bit about this subject.

    You don’t know what you are talking about.

    He doesn’t know any of these hitters.

    You don’t throw a 20 year old catcher into the middle of a pennant race and expect him to hit the ground running.

    That’s not how it works.

    —————————————————————————

    So you’re saying that Cervelli knew how to call the game just by learning in Double A and knew All the hitters and scouting reports when they brought him up to catch??

    — Sorry, but I dont think so! :p
    What makes you think you’re such an expert on this subject anyways? So far, you haven’t impressed.

  80. RayVT August 17th, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Jeter SS
    Granderson CF
    Tex 1B
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Thames DH
    Kearns RF
    Gardner LF
    Pena 3B

  81. SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    Both Cervelli and Santana were much more advanced defensively than Montero.

    They were also not brought up to play major roles in a pennant.

    You are looking for the Yankees to call up a 20 year old defensively challenged catcher and put him in the middle of a pennant race against competition that is light years better than he is facing right now.

    Its a recipe for disaster.

    Which is why the Yankees won’t do it.

  82. clownthrowindown August 17th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    You are flat out wrong about Texas. Do some research. They already said they would pay him top dollar and that they will pay to keep everyone they want to keep. They already have budgeted it for next season and beyond. Ryan and Greenburg are front men for very deep-pocketed oilmen who very much want a contender and who understand the cost. You are mistaken.

  83. Drivenbyjeter2 August 17th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    SJ44, so you’re saying that cervelli knew every hitter and the scouting report and knew how to call a game when hebwas brought up from double A??

    I’m sorry. I don’t think so!!! What makes you such An expert on this subject anyways? So far you haven’t impressed.

    (some catchers don’t call their own game FYI)

  84. RayVT August 17th, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue August 17th, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Hello Trisha! While I agree that the Yanks can live w/o Cliff Lee, a lefthanded pitcher of his caliber in YS would be awesome. CC & Cliff & perhaps Andy in YS would be quite a load for anyone. Add Hughes & AJ and that is quite a staff.

  85. Doreen August 17th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    You’re going to compare Jeter and Manny in this conversation?

  86. Drivenbyjeter2 August 17th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Crap, double post ><

    Sorry, just read the first one

  87. Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
    There are plenty of differences between Jeter and Manny.

    Jeter can still play everyday in the field. Manny cannot.

    Nobody is paying a DH 15 million dollars a year.

    Jeter is the face of the Yankees franchise and the leader of the team.

    Manny is anything but that kind of player.

    They also don’t need the nonsense Manny brings to every stop. He no longer produces enough to warrant taking his nonsense.

    Its more than just slash lines which is why he will never play for the Yankees.
    ————————————————————
    i agree with most of the above, As i was in way comparing Jeter and Manny stature as far as their standing in the Yankees universe goes.

    Manny is a DH at this point and that’s what i want Yankees to go after him as.

    I don’t know his market value , so i am guesstimating it at 10-15

    Manny’s nonsense did not effect the fact that Boston won 2 championships and LA got to the playoff and NLCS twice in the last three years.

    I think if he is healthy he will produce enough.

    finally, I have no idea what the yankees will do or not in regard Manny, as we are dealing with hypothetical, as I stated the chance are great , but not nonexistent.

  88. Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    in no way , meh

  89. clownthrowindown August 17th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Texas has a payroll of only $65M. (NY spends 3X that much to win a handful of games more!). Texas has way more leeway operating with a $65M base than the Yankees who are already gagging on their $200M+ payroll and luxury tax.
    If you don’t think NY has a budget then explain Nick Johnson and the trade deadline castaways.

  90. Giuseppe Franco August 17th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    # clownthrowindown August 17th, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    You are flat out wrong about Texas. Do some research. They already said they would pay him top dollar and that they will pay to keep everyone they want to keep. They already have budgeted it for next season and beyond. Ryan and Greenburg are front men for very deep-pocketed oilmen who very much want a contender and who understand the cost. You are mistaken.

    ————

    What are they supposed to say? It’s PR 101. They see the excitement in the fan base and of course they are going to say that to keep it going.

    Perhaps you should do some research. The Yanks LOVE Cliff Lee and he knows it. They would have traded their best prospect to get him if Seattle had not backed out as the last minute.

    They will trump whatever Texas throws out there. Guaranteed.

    So it will be up to Lee to decide what he wants to do.

  91. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    There’s a considerable difference between a 24 year old catcher and a 20 year old catcher when it comes to experience. Not the least of which one is catching for a team buried at the bottom and the other would be on a top rated team.

  92. MTU August 17th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Driven-

    You’re making self look foolish here.

    SJ’s Nephew is one of the top Catcher’s in the Minors (Tony Sanchez). That is just one reason he knows about catching. There are many others.

  93. tampayank August 17th, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    Brett Farve is on a plane from Mississippi on his way to Minnesota, OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS of all the dramatic things Brett Farve is back!

  94. pat August 17th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    baldvinny Bronx Bound, with a live chicken and a bottle of Jobu’s rum. It may take a live sacrifice to wake our bats up tonight

    :lol:

  95. Laura - I Bleed Blue August 17th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Why would we want Kemp? LAD is fed up with him because of his work ethic. Don’t we have enough guys already not delivering the goods? We need to add a problem child to the mix? No thanks.

  96. 108 stitches August 17th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Ryan and Greenburg will pay some heavy dollars to Josh Hamilton this coming offseason.

  97. Drivenbyjeter2 August 17th, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    I actually agree with you SJ44 on Manny….. (shock, we agree!)

    I think he would be a really good DH for this team. (especially in the playoffs, he gets up for big games, and would probably love to kill the red sox if he got a chance!)

    After all the offseason moves I think the Yankees should make, this would be a heck of a lineup:

    Crawford LF
    Jeter SS
    Tex 1B
    Arod 3b
    Cano 2b
    Swisher RF
    Manny Ramirez DH
    Posada/Montero C
    Gardner CF

    **Trade Granderson, sign Manny and Crawford

  98. Doreen August 17th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    I just read an interview recently with Austin Romine. One of the interesting items in the article was that Romine said that all the catchers in the Yankees system are expected to learn to call their own games. He said Girardi demands it.

  99. Giuseppe Franco August 17th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    # clownthrowindown August 17th, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    If you don’t think NY has a budget then explain Nick Johnson and the trade deadline castaways.

    ———

    Never said the Yanks don’t have a budget. Not once. But the Rangers’ budget is going to be a lot less than you think it is.

    They already spent a lot more to buy the team than they expected. They weren’t using Monopoly money. Some teams just don’t have the deep pockets that others do.

  100. SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Well, considering I raised a nephew who was a first round draft pick as a catcher, and I am involved daily in his development, I think I can speak fairly intelligently on this subject.

    I know how teams develop catchers and what they look for.

    In particular, I know intimately what the Yankees want, and how they choose to develop, their catchers.

    One advantage Cervelli had was that he caught a lot of the regular starting pitchers in ST last year. Montero has not. That matters.

    Jesus Montero is a below average defensive catcher.

    They aren’t looking to “teach him” how to catch at the ML level in the middle of the pennant race.

    He’s not the answer to the Yankees problems.

  101. tampayank August 17th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Lee is from Arkansas, Dallas is closer

  102. Erin August 17th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Erica in NY August 17th, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Erin-

    If you are out there, this is for you

    http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/08…..me-street/

    *********************************
    Thanks Erica!! That was just what I needed-I am not having the best day. I’m glad they included the Paul Simon clip in there for the heck of it-that was always one of my favorites. :)

  103. Drivenbyjeter2 August 17th, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    MTU –

    And that means what to me….?

    He’s not the one catching (his nephew is, if it is really his nephew). And he’s in the minor leagues right now anyways. (According to him, minor league catchers can’t call a game hahaha).

    There’s no right or wrong to this. it’s just opinion. i think Montero is ready, he doesn’t. I’m sure this SAME argument is a hot topic in the Yankee Organization right now as well…

  104. SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    The Rangers ownershp, counting assuming more debt than they wanted to assume prior to the auction, have to pay over 70 million more for the team than they wanted.

    If the Yankees want Cliff Lee, and they do, the Rangers don’t have the funds to compete for Lee’s services.

  105. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 3:13 pm

    “NY won’t have any financial advantage”

    except for the fact that, you know… we have more money than the group that bought the rangers, the yankees are already a profitable team (the rangers new onwership group just dropped ticket and concession prices to get fans in the seats, so they are starting out by losing money), and a team that will perennially contend as opposed to the 3 rookie starters that are dragging texas into the postseason this year…

    so… completely disregarding those advantages? yes, i guess texas has a chance of signing lee (lol).

  106. yanksfansince67 August 17th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    Good article by Goldman on Jeter

    http://www.pinstripedbible.com.....itys-pull/

    Bobby Thompson died.

  107. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    drivenbyjeter2 – but as least SJ44 has SOME credibility.

    you on the other hand have… none.

  108. G. Love August 17th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    I think you can get Kemp for Granderson & Montero in the off season. That would pretty much trump any offer another team could make for him.

    That said, I still think Montero should be given every chance to stick somewhere in this lineup.

    Holding the DH open for a offensively inept Jeter or a declining Arod is not the best way to construct this team for the future.

    What’s happening right now with all the age issues and inconsistent performance with this team is a signal to Cashman that sentimentality will not will championships.

    If Montero is capable of hitting the way some of you project, he is exactly what this lineup will need in the future.

    The best way to construct this team next year would be to have Montero be a 3rd catcher and full time DH. Sign a younger catcher who could hit a little and defend to split with Jorge.

    You cannot count on Jorge to be healthy anymore. That ship has sailed. He has a roster spot next year because he has a contract for next year. You need a better catcher than Cervelli to split time there.

    What the team is going through offensively right now isn’t to be ignored.

    They are getting shut down by pitchers they should be hitting. This has gone on long enough.

    If the team can’t find any sort of consistency in the offense, then pieces will be moved and new players will be brought in.

    Not sure if I’d give that much for Kemp, but Montero and Granderson would certainly get the conversation going.

  109. pat August 17th, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    If Ranger’s ownership wants to put lots of their own money into the team they can increase payroll BUT the revenue stream is not there to support a large payroll increase for the team to sustain itself.

    The amount of debt and deferred money Hicks had on the books at the time of backruptcy and the lack of cash flow proved that unless the organization was criminally mismanaged but if Ryan and Friends think they have the formula to build a better mousetrap, more power to them.

  110. gusb August 17th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    “— Sorry, but I dont think so! :p
    What makes you think you’re such an expert on this subject anyways? So far, you haven’t impressed”

    The guy flips like a hamburger. He likes them when their playing good hates them when their not. He likes the sound of his own voice. You want to listen to someone who knows the game cold check out the cat CB. The SJ guy is a big blowhard who wants to feel important.

  111. clownthrowindown August 17th, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    I think Lee would choose NY either way. No matter how well Texas does this year and how committed ownership is, the chance to play for the Yankees, and NY’s proven track record, seem to be a big appeal to a guy with Lee’s personality. No guarantee but its seems like its a better fit for him.

  112. Erica in NY August 17th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    Erin August 17th, 2010 at 3:09 pm

    Thanks Erica!! That was just what I needed-I am not having the best day. I?m glad they included the Paul Simon clip in there for the heck of it-that was always one of my favorites.
    **********

    Of course! I think everyone should have a little of the Street to brighten their day :-)

  113. Doreen August 17th, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    I’ve got the following lineup submissions for GTLU:

    Tyler
    jacksquat
    upstate kate
    champ809
    Erica
    Bill D
    SportsGeek
    Erin
    Fran (the original)
    Unknown
    RayVT

    If I’ve missed yours, let me know.

  114. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    g.love – the professional DH is going the way of the dinosaur, and you can’t plan montero’s career around that slot because it clogs up the entire rest of the roster

    wether its a good idea or not to keep the slot open for jeter/posada/arod/whoever… is irrelevant. holding onto a prospect that you can only project to your major league team is a waste of trade value. value that could be used to fill ACTUAL needs the team will face next season.

  115. SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    No, its not a hot argument at all in the Yankees front office because they know Montero isn’t ready.

    Aside from fanboy talk, you haven’t given a single logical baseball reason why it would work.

    Its late August.

    Perhaps you should do some research and tell us the last time a team called up a 20 year old catcher and plugged him into the middle of a pennant race.

    I’ll save you some time. It doesn’t happen.

  116. Warning Track Power August 17th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    i leave for lunch and there are people here wanting manny ramirez on the yankees
    please tell me this is a very late april fool’s joke.

    manny is not good for any team, any clubhouse, especially the NY Yankees.

  117. clownthrowindown August 17th, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    pat-
    Dallas/Ft. Worth together would make it the fourth largest city. And with the Astros the only other game in the state, thers’s alot of potential fans across the state. If they win, they will come…

  118. gusb August 17th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Drivenbyjeter2 don’t pay attention to any of his schmutz. If the catcher’s the deal braker the Yankees aren’t going anywhere. They’ll just stay with what they have. When they do you know he’s full of him and nothing else.

  119. ZMAN August 17th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Dodgers have no leadership. They also exacerbated the situation by having Colletti rip him in the media and has a tussle with his agent.

    Think Kemp will act like a knucklehead with Jeter, A-Rod, Mo, etc. around him? A little different than being surrounded by guys the same age as him without much standing in the league. Put him on a veteran team where he is forced to grow up, and watch his talent shine.

  120. Patrick from CT August 17th, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Berkman needs to get in there tonight.

    GTLU if it’s not too late Doreen

    Jeter-ss
    Granderson-cf
    Tex-1b
    Cano-2b
    Posada-c
    Berkman-dh
    Kearns-rf
    Gardner-lf
    Pena-3b

  121. hardwired7 August 17th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    this season is a great example of what makes baseball such a great sport: when the season finally ends, the team left standing will have earned it.

    in the words of Ringo Starr, “It don’t come easy.”

    the Yanks being cold now is nothing to stress. better cold now than in October.

  122. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    clown – they were in the playoffs for plenty of seasons… what do they have to show for it (other than still having no fans)?

    ripped this from wiki:

    The Rangers (when combined with their predecessor the Senators) hold several distinctions for playoff futility:

    * They are one of only three current MLB franchises which have yet to appear in the World Series (the others are the Seattle Mariners and the Washington Nationals), and the oldest active MLB franchise yet to appear.

    * They are the oldest franchise in all the four major American pro sports leagues (MLB, NFL, NBA, and NHL) to have never appeared in the league’s championship, as well as the only Dallas-Fort Worth area team yet to do so.

    * They are the only current MLB franchise which has yet to win a playoff series.

    * In their history the Rangers have won only one playoff game, on the road at Yankee Stadium in the franchise’s first playoff game; they have never won a home playoff game.

  123. SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    gus,

    We are talking baseball now.

    Moron talk, which you specialize in, goes in the game thread.

    This conversation is above your ability to understand.

  124. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Texas is a lot of things, but a baseball state is not one of them….unless you count when UT is playing in the College World Series. It’s always been a football state, 365 days a year.

  125. Erica in NY August 17th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    In their history the Rangers have won only one playoff game, on the road at Yankee Stadium in the franchise?s first playoff game; they have never won a home playoff game.
    ************

    Random fact.

    I was at this game. The first and last playoff game I ever attended

  126. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    gusb – you and drivenbyjeter should go hug it out somewhere with montero’s agent.

  127. upstate kate August 17th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    hmmm Erica, should we request that you don’t attend any further play off games?
    and more importantly, what did you think of Johnny D’s hair?

  128. G. Love August 17th, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    ID,

    Here’s my thing with Montero. If he can’t catch, the only other position he could play is 1b which he is not playing at all. He’s still being developed to catch for some reason.

    Anyone who trades for him is either trading for him to DH, catch or possibly turn him into a 1b which no one knows if he can even be one. Taking on 1b could set his development back a few more years.

    Taking defense out of the argument, the projections for Montero offensively are sky high.

    Would Cashman literally not want a .300 hitter who could hit 30+ homers and drive in 100 RBI in the lineup each day?

    What we’re talking about replacing the DH with will not do that. Jeter and Posada are not capable of that kind of performance.

    Arod might be, but he still can play the field.

    Putting the current version of Derek Jeter at DH will be akin to putting Cervelli in at catcher.

    Jeter still has value at SS because the age of your best hitter being the SS is over. At DH or LF? He has no value with his present performance.

    If you can trade Montero for a stud 3b, SS or OF, then you do it. But you better be right with who you trade him for because if he goes off and hits like Miguel Cabrera and the player you get in return struggles, it’s a team killer.

    I’d rather hold onto Montero and let him DH in the future. If he’s a young Frank Thomas/Cabrera, just let the kid hit and knock it off with trying to float the DH spot as a place for decliners.

  129. pat August 17th, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    clown

    The Astros? The Rangers competition is coming from across their parking lot not across the state. They are in Friday night lights country not Sunday double headers.

    They had more people at a Cowboys practice than they did a Rangers game last week.

  130. Erica in NY August 17th, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    upstate kate August 17th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
    hmmm Erica, should we request that you don?t attend any further play off games?
    and more importantly, what did you think of Johnny D?s hair?
    *************

    I LOVED the Johnny-hawk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And Kate, thats the exact reason I have not attended a playoff game since 1996 ALDS Game 1

  131. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    g.love – i would expect jeter’s bat to pick up when he’s not running all over the infield anymore. less wear = less tear.

    and its not like we are saying to trade montero away for peanuts. you obviously try to replace him with a similarly talented player at a more useful position.

    the problem is thelonger we wait to trade him, the more other teams in the league will find out he can’t catch. if we can trade him as a catching prospect, his value is higher.

    basically, his value is higher this year than it ever will be again, until he turns out cabrera/pujols’ian performances in the majors (at least what… 5-6 years away?)

  132. Bret The Hitman August 17th, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    RAB listed the top 5 trade chips on the Yankees at the deadline. They were: Jesus Montero, Brett Gardner, Joba Chamberlain, Austin Romine and Ian Nova.

    If the Rangers somehow are able to lock up Cliff Lee for CC-money before Lee reaches free agency then the Yankees have plenty of trade chips to target a top rotation starter.

    I don’t see the point of paying a high price in talent for an outfielder (even though I love Kemp) when Crawford can be had for money alone.

    I also believe that because Jorge, Andy and Mo will be here short term, it’s possible for the Yankees to make a long term outlay to both Lee and Crawford.

    The Yankees have a great deal of cost-controlled young talent in the pipeline to balance out the long term payroll as well.

  133. theREALkevin August 17th, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Rangers are on the rise. we were transplanted in Houston years ago and he works in Dallas now, but that game against the Yankees that we won 7-6, that was the most unbelievable atmosphere at that stadium ever. period. They have a good team, a really nice stadium, and even though it’s really hot people are coming out in droves there. It helps when the yankees and Red Sox are in town. but people are really starting to get excited about the Rangers. Texas will always be a football state, but it’s produced a ton of baseball players as well (Houston area expecially)….. and if Nolan Ryan can spend some money and keep some of these good young players, the Rangers will be good for a while. The fans are starting to buy in there.

  134. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    beyond lee i don’t believe in any aspect of the rangers rotation beyond this seasons performances.

  135. CB August 17th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    “the professional DH is going the way of the dinosaur, and you can’t plan montero’s career around that slot because it clogs up the entire rest of the roster”

    A 1.000 OPS bat will play anywhere.

    This whole notion that playing Montero as a DH being some massive waste is overstated.

    What’s the most specific reason why Montero might wind up as a DH?

    It’s because the Yankees already have the resources to have Teixeira at 1b.

    It’s not unusual for guys to have to move off catcher. What’s unusual is for them to have enough bat to play 1b which Montero does.

    At the end of the day the yankees are looking to generate positional advantage at every spot in the line up. DH is one of those spots. And contrary to what people think, DH”s actually don’t hit very well. Montero at DH would give the yankees a huge positional advantage. He’s not a waste there.

    And regarding trading him – the other team also looks at him as a player without a position (see Jack Z.) So they aren’t going to give you the right return.

    Given the Yankees needs, resources and Montero’s lack of a clear position I don’t think trading him is going to maximize his value in any way.

    That’s generally true but not in this case.

  136. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    With the Reds designating Micah Owings for assignment, I wonder if the Yanks might make an offer to Cincinnati and convert him to the outfield.

  137. clownthrowindown August 17th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Discourse-
    Please try to follow, ok? Texas has new ownership. Ok so far? Texas is going to increase their payroll. Still with me? They have a very good team this year and adding payroll next year should, in theory, keep them as contenders and build their fan base. Their popularity is greatly helped by having an icon as president. Ok? What happened in the past is not what the discussion is about. Are you getting that? We are talking about next year. That’s the one after this one is over.

  138. CB August 17th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    “If you can trade Montero for a stud 3b, SS or OF, then you do it. But you better be right with who you trade him for because if he goes off and hits like Miguel Cabrera and the player you get in return struggles, it’s a team killer. ”

    This is essentially what Jack Z did in reverse.

    He effectively traded Justin Smoak for Montero due to uncertainty with Montero’s position.

    And he better not be wrong about that trade because if he had the shot to get the best hitter in the minors in years and passed because Smoak is a true first baseman by experience he’s going to look very foolish.

  139. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    gb7 – if he’s not good enough to be a backup outfielder in cinci…

  140. theREALkevin August 17th, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Yankees desperately need a win tonight with CC going. none of these losses lately are crippling by any stretch since there are a bunch of games remaining against the rays and sox…. but the Yanks just need to get some good vibes going. a little 3 game winning streak or something to get some friggin momentum goin. they can’t get any momentum and they can’t hit. they just need to relax and at least get some people on base and get that big hit so people can unwind.

  141. JoeyA August 17th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    SJ-
    question for you:

    What is the catching situation next year?

    Are we in for a full year of Cervelli/Posada platoon?

    When do we expect all these “prospects” to actually come up with the team?

    2nd question, if you choose to entertain:

    Have you changed your opinion re: Gardner vs. Crawford?

    If this offense is not only struggling, but beginning to decline w/ their older players, isn’t it important now, more than ever, we inject this team with some youthful, proven talent?

  142. Warning Track Power August 17th, 2010 at 3:41 pm

    Jeter-SS
    Granderson-CF
    Tex-1B
    Cano-2B
    Posada-C
    Berkman-DH
    Kearns-RF
    Gardner-LF
    Pena-3B

  143. RayVT August 17th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Good Idea! He can hit & throw!

  144. Joe from Long Island August 17th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    GB – I remember it was a few years ago, when Micah Owings was a can’t miss pitching prospect for Arizona. How time flies. We’ve seen it’s a hard thing to project athletic performance.

  145. EA August 17th, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    If you make Montero the full-time DH, where does Jeter play? A-Rod? Those guys are not going to play the field forever.

    Is the offensive advantage you get as Montero at C more significant than the defensive liability of Jeter/ARod in their late 30s fielding balls in the infield?

    Remember how we would cringe when a ball was hit in Damon’s direction last year? It will be even worse at 3B/SS.

    Need to keep the DH spot open for aging players. Not to mention, Posada is probably going to need that about 60% of the time next year anyway.

  146. austinmac August 17th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Where Lee plays will depend on his desires. I believe the Rangers can come up with a very competitive offer. Can the Yankees top it? No doubt. Will they? I suspect to some level. They will only go so far as they would only go so far in the trade talks.

    Lee is not, in my opinion, a sure thing. I don’t know what he wants for a team or a venue for his family. No one really does because he would be foolish to say and harm his free agent leverage.

    How many years will the Yankees or any other team go? No doubt the team that signs him will agree to more years than they would have wished. Are we talking about a CC contract per annum or in total dollars for an older pitcher?

  147. G. Love August 17th, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    CB,

    I’m glad you see the logic in not ruling out a career as DH for Montero.

    I just don’t understand this impulsive need to jettison him for players who can play a position unless they can hit like he’s projected to hit.

    Seattle did essentially trade Montero for Smoak.

    I don’t think you can run your team by giving up the top hitting prospect because you have a slew of old guys with declining performance without a position.

    I mean seriously. You don’t have to start Posada, Jeter, Arod everyday. You can segue them into being bench players.

    I don’t see why it’s smarter to trade a potentially lethal RH bat just to let to the older guys still get their at bats if their at bats don’t project to be what Montero’s can be.

    Teams in the past carried older players on the bench and spot started them.

    For next season, there should be a more “primary” catcher brought in and Posada should be the backup, much like Girardi was to Jorge before he left the Yankees.

    As for Jeter, if he hits like he does now, he’s still a decent option at SS for the next couple of years. After that, maybe he’s a Pete Rose type who is here for spot starts while he chases a few records. Same with Arod.

    Keeping a vital position in the lineup as a resting place for bad contract decisions is team suicide when you have a younger more powerful alternative already knocking on the door.

    I think Cashman will be leery of trading Montero for anything since no other player is a sure thing short of Cliff Lee or Hallyday.

  148. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    clown – i have no interesting in “trying to follow” your nonsense.

    1. you have no idea what they are going to do with payroll. they spent $70mil more for the team than they planned, so that comes right off the top. they have to increase their payroll to field the SAME team they are fielding now, to improve it would cost even more.

    2. adding payroll is in no way an indication of improving results (see: yankees circa 2005)

    3. the spectacle of “nolan ryan” will put fans in the seats for the remainder of this season. if they don’t win, it will not help them in any way next year.

    4. next year they have to expect this same, outrageous performance from hunter (probably), wilson (very unlikely), and lewis (less likely than wilson) to see the same results.

    The point was, they have had winning seasons just like this before and none of those “fans” stuck around even 1 season later. It should NOT take a world series to drag fans to your park (nor should you expect it to, see: marlins). As someone said above, even in this season… a run-away winning the division season, there were more fans at a cowboys practice than a ranger game.

    The community around then is not going to change on the whims of one season.

  149. YankeeBlue222 August 17th, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Knowing what we know now, the thought of ARod in a few years at $25M makes me sick.

    I have a feeling the end of his career in NY will not be a honeymoon.

  150. pat August 17th, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Hard investigative reporting happening at Yankee Stadium today…..

    jimbaumbach The glove Francisco Cervelli used at 3B last night says “Wright #5″ on it because it is a David Wright model glove, Cervelli says.

  151. CB August 17th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    Keeping the DH position open for aging players is one of the worst things the team could do.

    Once Nick Johnson got hurt the Yankees essentially had the “revolving” DH. So that experiment has been run.

    It was horrible. That’s how you wind up with so many games with a creaky Posada at DH and Cervelli’s empty bat as well.

    If you have Jeter DH because he’s aging you have two weak bats in the line up. His bat and whoever the SS is who is replacing him as Jeter “rests” in the DH spot.

    Compare that line up to one where you have Montero as the permanent DH, Jeter resting on the bench and Jeter’s backup at SS. Which line up is better? It’s clearly the one with Montero in it and Jeter getting a full rest on the bench.

    Using the DH to “rest” players when they age a terrible idea, especially when you have a viable cost controlled alternative. That’s why they didn’t plan on doing that his winter when they could have arranged things that way.

  152. austinmac August 17th, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    I wonder if the Yankees willingness to trade Montero may be a sign that they very much doubt his ability to catch in the majors. He can likely play first for a lot of teams but not the Yankees. In short, if he can’t catch where does he play?

    Has Montero improved as a catcher this year? Statistically, it doesn’t seem so, but that can be misleading.

  153. GayleF August 17th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Pat what is your twitter ID I need to follow you lol

  154. JoeyA August 17th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    This is just my opinion but….

    If you make Montero a full-time DH, it would be one of the dumbest moves this organization can do.

    We have Jeter & Alex who will be much older than the league avg. at their position.

    So, Montero will be a DH when those guys don’t need rest, which will happen more and more as the years go by.

    When they need rest, you essentially have Montero sitting, since he doesn’t play any other position.

    So you’re going to have a 20-something be a full-time DH a-la David Ortiz, provide no defensive options and very little roster flexibility, something Cashman & Girardi are known to covet.

    And you want to have him do this his entire career? He’ll never have the consistency a young player needs to develop properly.

    Taking a 20yr old and labeling him a full-time DH out the gate is absolutely ridiculous IMO. We’d be better served trading him for someone of equal or slightly lesser talent, because at least that person will play a position and hit competitively.

  155. clownthrowindown August 17th, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    How the Rangers spend their money will be what matters. The Yankees are spending $65M on just Jeter, Posada, Vasquez and Burnett. How’s that working for them?

  156. G. Love August 17th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Fans need to change their perception of what the later years of Jeter, Posada and Arod will be.

    Forget their contract numbers. The team will not put a lesser player in over a better player because of dollars.

    Derek Jeter may finish out his career here as a Tim Raines finished out his career here.

    He doesn’t have to start everyday and play everyday if he can’t contribute in his later years.

    Same thing with Jorge. He’s not a starter anymore. He doesn’t hit enough to be a full time DH. He’s a co-catcher next season who you hope holds up enough to hit 15-20HR’s and catch 1/2 the games. Just because he makes a lot of money doesn’t mean the team still views him as a 120 game backstop.

    As these guys age their roles will change and fans will have to understand that reduced time and possibly bench roles are in the future.

    As for Arod, you hope he can get healthy and give 3-4 more good seasons.

    After that, if he’s cooked, the Yankees will have to discuss a buyout with him if he can’t play well anymore.

    In the meantime, you keep guys like Montero and possibly Laird and hope they come up and fill in for the older guys at a cheap dollar cost.

  157. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Joe from Long Island August 17th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    GB – I remember it was a few years ago, when Micah Owings was a can’t miss pitching prospect for Arizona. How time flies. We’ve seen it’s a hard thing to project athletic performance.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, he was the next big all around player coming out of college. I think that he was miscast as a fulltime pitcher, though. I see that ex- Baltimore pitcher Adam Loewan is now DHing and playing right field for Toronto’s AA team and not doing badly in his 2nd year. I swear when he came up and beat the Yanks in 3 of or 4of 5 starts a few years ago, he’d be their next bog ar. Two broken bones later, it was all over.

  158. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Yanks in ***3 of 4 or 4 of 5*** starts

  159. Erica in NY August 17th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    More on Cervelli using Wright’s glove

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....mlb-262954

  160. The Mets are Pond Scum August 17th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    Well, considering I raised a nephew who was a first round draft pick as a catcher, and I am involved daily in his development, I think I can speak fairly intelligently on this subject.

    I know how teams develop catchers and what they look for.

    In particular, I know intimately what the Yankees want, and how they choose to develop, their catchers.

    One advantage Cervelli had was that he caught a lot of the regular starting pitchers in ST last year. Montero has not. That matters.

    Jesus Montero is a below average defensive catcher.

    They aren’t looking to “teach him” how to catch at the ML level in the middle of the pennant race.

    He’s not the answer to the Yankees problems.
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    It’s always entertaining to listen to Joe Casale bloviate about his own credibility by association.

  161. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    CB – the “experiment” has not been horrible… iirc our DH slot is outperforming almost every other teams DH in the league right now. this would seem to mean, to me, that holding out for a stud DH is a waste of time. having a stud fielder or pitcher, on the other hand… is irreplaceable.

    DH is not a make or break position in the AL anymore. it may have been 10 years ago, but it’s not now.

  162. CB August 17th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    “I just don’t understand this impulsive need to jettison him for players who can play a position unless they can hit like he’s projected to hit. ”

    G. Love-

    People are assuming that making a trade is almost completely transparent and that you can largely know that you are getting equal return for Montero.

    That’s just not possible. You can never be 100% certain that the player you get back is going to work out.

    And the thing is while it’s nice to have multiple tools (including strong defense) no tool comes remotely close to the importance of a bat.

    You never know about prospects. But right now Montero has the single highest probability of any player in the minors to turn into a superstar bat.

    There is no way you can trade him for anything more certain unless you trade him for a major league proven player. But if you do that kind of move you’re going to get a hitter with lower potential.

    What Jack Z did was very risky. Let’s see.

    I dont’ see the yanks trading montero – especially with the RH bats potentially showing signs of age this season. Lee and Halladay were exceptions.

    If Montero needs to DH until Tex’s contract runs out it’s really not that big a deal.

  163. RMS August 17th, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    clownthrowindown

    If the Yankees want Lee they will outbid Texas. Yankees will not have Javy next year and Andy may retire. They will need another starter. And Lee is good friends with CC who I think will talk to Lee about joining the team.

  164. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    RayVT August 17th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
    GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Good Idea! He can hit & throw!

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    The throwing part has become the issue. No injury, but not much of an arm. trade him for Pat Venditte. Neither has much of a future as major league pitchers in a pennant race.

  165. G. Love August 17th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    ID,

    While our DH spot with all the floating may be trumping other DH’s, you have to factor in what the player replacing the floating DH hits.

    We’re talking Cervelli and Pena specifically.

    Those players getting more at bats hurts this team’s offense immeasurably.

  166. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    clown – “The Yankees are spending $65M on just Jeter, Posada, Vasquez and Burnett. How’s that working for them?”

    how’s that working for them? well, the won a world series. i’d say it’s working out pretty well.

    you should really quit while you are still treading water.

  167. CB August 17th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    “DH is not a make or break position in the AL anymore. it may have been 10 years ago, but it’s not now.”

    That’s what your not seeing. The opportunity. DH is now filled with older, aging guys who are declining.

    If you put a plus bat at the DH position you can generate significant relative advantage. And that’s all that matters.

    And the Yankees DH spot this season has been a disaster. It’s been a disaster because they keep having to play players with health problems in the same line up as their light hitting back ups.

    That’s not even close to what they envisioned. If it was they wouldn’t have signed Nick Johnson. And they most certainly would not have traded for Lance Berkman.

  168. Bill D August 17th, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    “1. you have no idea what they are going to do with payroll.”

    Doesn’t that make two of you? It’s fine to point out someone isn’t an authority on the Texas Rangers and what their future may hold…right up until the time you decided you were one yourself.

  169. rodg12 August 17th, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Any chance our 3 Cs next year are Posada, Romine, Montero? Will Romine be ready for that? Posada and Romine split the majority of time at C. Montero catches occasionally and is the DH the majority of the time. Just something I thought I’d throw out there…

  170. Doreen August 17th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Last year Matsui was the full-time DH and Girardi did an excellent job rotating guys and giving appropriate rest.

    The complication is just how much Posada needs the position.

  171. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    g.love – immeasurably, but not enough to make it even the second best offense in the game… :)

  172. pat August 17th, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Gayle

    I don’t post on Twitter, I just follow. It helps keep me up to date on breaking news and my kids.

  173. Yank1 August 17th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Montero isin’t a normal DH though. A RH bat who could approach a 1.000 OPS don’t go on trees. He wouldn’t just be a DH, he would be one of the best bats in baseball if he lives up to his potential.

    Who cares about where .730 OPS Jeter plays in 3 years? Let him sit on the bench when he doesn’t play. Or play some LF.

    And if Montero can’t catch, why would any team trade a comparable SS/3B/OF prospect for him? So they could experiment with him being a 1B?

    He has more value to us than he would other teams. And if he produces the way people think he will with the bat, it doesn’t matter where he pays. You don’t worry about placating a 38-39 yr old SS when you have a bat like Montero who can replace the agining RH bat production that we sorely miss this year, and who can give you a huge positional advantage at DH as it is. No one says the DH has to be a spot for broken down, old sluggers.

  174. G. Love August 17th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    CB,

    That’s the point everyone is glossing over.

    When Tex’s contract runs out, Montero will only 27. If he’s going to play 1b, he can DH until then and give this team a heart of the order consisting of Cano, Tex and Montero.

    Look past the Arod, Jeter, Posada years.

    Cano-Tex-Montero is the future here folks. Add in Romine or Sanchez at C with good to great bats and that is what the Yankees should be focusing on.

    Not trying to keep a warm spot in the lineup for older vets who may be best used in bench roles.

    The other thing that keeping Montero allows is if he becomes a decent enough 1b you can give Tex off days 3-4 years from now and put Montero in at first.

    You want to trad Montero for Matt Kemp, go right ahead. But if Kemp struggles and Montero turns out to be what he’s projected to be, it will haunt Yankee fans forever.

    You don’t trade middle of the order thumpers in this day and age without PED’s in the game anymore.

  175. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    bill d – i’m sorry, did i claim to know? maybe you should read my post again.

    what I did say (and know, because this is public knowledge) was that they spent more money to buy the team than they planned. this would mean they have… less money. they also have to spend more money next year to field the same team (this includes resigning cliff lee), so payroll is already “going up”. if they are going to improve the team, they will need to spend even more.

    but thanks for checking up on me.

  176. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Rodg, I don’t think they bring up Montero and Romine at the same time. Romine is still sort of rough. Maybe by mid-season and then move Cervelli as part of a trade.

  177. GayleF August 17th, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Gotcha there is actually a pretty good group of Yankee fans and we all interact with (many are like here and off the wall) but it can be fun.

  178. Irreverent Discourse August 17th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    you also can’t just gloss over the fact that posada (1 year, maybe 2?), jeter (likely 3-4 years), and arod (like a million years) will still be on the roster and forced into actively playing the field because of your 20-year-old DH until teixeira’s contract runs out…

  179. SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    I am glad you enjoy it.

    I, unlike yourself, have no problem having my name associated with my posts.

    How does it feel to be a gutless twerp?

    I’d say it doesn’t feel too good.

    Now come up with another screen name to take shots.

  180. Warning Track Power August 17th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    kay just announced arod out of the lineup, swisher in the lineup, gardner will lead off and jeter will bat 2nd

  181. CB August 17th, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    “Montero isin’t a normal DH though. A RH bat who could approach a 1.000 OPS don’t go on trees. He wouldn’t just be a DH, he would be one of the best bats in baseball if he lives up to his potential.

    Who cares about where .730 OPS Jeter plays in 3 years? Let him sit on the bench when he doesn’t play. Or play some LF.”

    Yes. Exactly.

    Let’s say for instance the Yankees could sign Albert Pujols at some reasonable rate to DH. Let’s just say they could for the sake of argument.

    By the “rotating DH for veterans” argument it would not be in the Yankees benefit to put Albert Pujols in the DH because it would take at bats away from an aging Derek Jeter.

    In turn having Pujols would be a “waste.”

    Not all assets trade are completely fungible. And bats like Montero’s simply don’t grow on trees.

  182. rodg12 August 17th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    GB -
    Yeah, I could see that and I’d have to say after thinking about it more that’s definitely more likely. I suppose they could upgrade from Cervelli to a Zaun/Buck option in the offseason too.

  183. clownthrowindown August 17th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Discourse-

    past history…current…future. Three different things.

  184. UnKnown August 17th, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Girardi will reason taking Jeter out of the lead off spot because he wants to break up the lefties.

  185. G. Love August 17th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    ID,

    Posada will not get another contract from the Yankees. Next year is it. If he wants to keep playing, he’ll have to go somewhere else.

    So it’s really just Jeter and Arod we’re talking about here.

    Jeter is still one of the better SS’s in the game. I don’t think it’s outlandish to think he can play another 2 seasons in the field with a capable backup here (Nunez?) to spot him. After that, he can be a bench player and Yankee icon.

    Then there’s Arod. He’s still playing in the field. If he couldn’t, they wouldn’t have him out there.

    Even if he gives you another 3-4 years of 3b with a capable backup to spot him and replace him in late innings, it would work.

    That would mean for the next 4 years Montero could DH here. By that time you would know if he’s Miguel Cabrera or Orlando Cabrera with the bat and you adjust accordingly.

    The only person who really needs DH next year is Jorge and frankly betting on him to make it through a season healthy is like betting on Nick Johnson at this point.

  186. rodg12 August 17th, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    CB, G. Love -

    Just gotta commend you guys on the great discussion points you’re both bringing up here.

  187. CB August 17th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    “Cano-Tex-Montero is the future here folks. ”

    It is. Or at least that’s what we have to hope for.

    As Alex ages the team is going to need another bat. You hope you can find that special bat where it’s a guy who can hit over .300 with 30+ Hr and a .900-1.000 OPS.

    But the rub is – at any point in time there might only be 5 human beings in the world who can do this.

    If you happen to have one, it’s not a “waste” to use it.

    Again, no one knows what Montero can do. All we have are rough estimates for probabilities.

    But with that Montero has a higher probability of being the kind of foundation bat the yankees need for the future than any other hitter in the minors.

  188. rodg12 August 17th, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    Line-up’s posted…

    Star Ledger Ledger_Yankees

    Gardner 7, Jeter 6, Teixeira 3, Cano 4, Swisher 9, Posada 2, Thames DH, Granderson 8, Pena 5, Sabathia 1

  189. pat August 17th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Gardner 7, Jeter 6, Teixeira 3, Cano 4, Swisher 9, Posada 2, Thames DH, Granderson 8, Pena 5, Sabathia 1.

  190. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    rodg12 August 17th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
    GB -
    Yeah, I could see that and I’d have to say after thinking about it more that’s definitely more likely. I suppose they could upgrade from Cervelli to a Zaun/Buck option in the offseason too.

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    Rodg, Zaun is history. I think he has a torn labrum or elbow ligament. As far as another catcher, I was hoping that NYYs picked up John Buck two years ago. He won’t hit .290 or .300, but he can catch and throw and give you 15 or more homers.

  191. CB August 17th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    “you also can’t just gloss over the fact that posada (1 year, maybe 2?), jeter (likely 3-4 years), and arod (like a million years) will still be on the roster and forced into actively playing the field because of your 20-year-old DH until teixeira’s contract runs out…”

    Sure you can, unless you want to compromise winning to placate egos.

    If Jeter needs a rest he sits on the bench. That’s it. It’s not complicated.

    Once a contract is signed it’s a fixed cost. You don’t get anymore “value” from it by utilizing the asset in sub-optimal ways which compromise your organizations overall goals.

  192. pat August 17th, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Swish in Alex going through treatment might be available as pinch hitter tonight #Yankees
    6 minutes ago via Twitterrific

  193. The Mets are Pond Scum August 17th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    SJ44/Joe Casale,

    Both my uncle and a high school teammate who I caught played in the big leagues and I have an association with Jeremy Hellickson. I presume that by your logic that makes me Branch Rickey.
    Oh I forgot about your sports company. BTW, how do you find time for business when you spend so much time on the Lohud blog as the resident “expert”?

  194. ET August 17th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    They lived with horrible Damon playing LF last year.

    Also, what purpose would Jeter serve as a DH? He would be well-below league average as a player for that position. A 38 year old Jeter who is hitting .270 with 10 HRs when you could have Montero and his Cabrera-esque bat? How does that make any sense?

    Posada isin’t an issue – he’ll be gone after next year. Deal with A-Rod when the time comes, maybe he can learn the OF.

    The best way to address this – when Jeter becomes a liability at SS, he either moves to LF or he retires/becomes a bench player.

  195. Erica in NY August 17th, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    Well.. this is an interesting GTLU development

  196. Doreen August 17th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    I swear Girardi has lineup dreams or something. Today’s is a little different. ;)

    So, there was no winning lineup submitted in today’s GTLU

  197. G. Love August 17th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    The other thing you’re not factoring into the equation with Jeter and Arod’s later years is you’re assuming they both will be 100% healthy and ready to play every day.

    If they’re not and you’ve traded Montero who is the DH then? Where is the offense coming from?

    Trading a cost controlled power hitting RH bat is silly unless you’re getting one of the top 25 players/pitchers in the game right now.

  198. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Unusual that Thames would go up against Verlander, but I suppose there are no more left handed bats and he’s the best of the rest.

    Left handed power bats in the minors is a short coming.

  199. CB August 17th, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    “Zaun is history. I think he has a torn labrum or elbow ligament. ”

    I didn’t see that. When did it happen?

  200. rodg12 August 17th, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Deal with A-Rod when the time comes, maybe he can learn the OF.
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    Doubt it. Have you ever seen the routes he takes to catch pop-ups???? :)

  201. theREALkevin August 17th, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    No manager will have the stones to make derek jeter a bench player. Idc if he’s 40 years old. Tim raines is not derek jeter lol

  202. Erica in NY August 17th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    new thread :arrow:

  203. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    CB August 17th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    “Zaun is history. I think he has a torn labrum or elbow ligament. ”

    I didn’t see that. When did it happen?

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    CB, unless I mis read it, about a month ago. My typing isn’t much, but I read fairly well. I’ll try to find it and post it.

    I’ll feel like a fool if I find out that it was Paula Zaun.

  204. GreenBeret7 August 17th, 2010 at 4:27 pm

    Here’s one news release on Zaun.

    http://www.wrn.com/2010/05/zau.....reatening/

  205. SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Zaun had season ending surgery about 6 weeks ago for a torn labrum.

    I’ve had 24 meetings with ML teams re: how they develop catchers.

    How many meetings have you had with ML teams describing how they develop players.

    You still want to play this game or do you want to quit while you are behind?

  206. The Mets are Pond Scum August 17th, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    Well, considering I raised a nephew who was a first round draft pick as a catcher, and I am involved daily in his development, I think I can speak fairly intelligently on this subject.

    I know how teams develop catchers and what they look for.

    In particular, I know intimately what the Yankees want, and how they choose to develop, their catchers.

    One advantage Cervelli had was that he caught a lot of the regular starting pitchers in ST last year. Montero has not. That matters.

    Jesus Montero is a below average defensive catcher.

    They aren’t looking to “teach him” how to catch at the ML level in the middle of the pennant race.

    He’s not the answer to the Yankees problems.
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    It seems odd that such an important man in baseball should spend so much of his time on a silly fan blog. Do you keep an exact count of your meeting times for name-dropping purposes in cocktail party conversations?

  207. SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    The joys of semi-retired life.

    Hopefully, you will have the same opportunity one day.

    Actually, when you have pre-draft meetings, you do keep a log of the meetings and what is said in them. It helps when it comes to contract negotiations.

    Thanks for asking.

  208. The Mets are Pond Scum August 17th, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    SJ44 August 17th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
    The joys of semi-retired life.

    Hopefully, you will have the same opportunity one day.

    Actually, when you have pre-draft meetings, you do keep a log of the meetings and what is said in them. It helps when it comes to contract negotiations.

    Thanks for asking.
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    I must admit, I did enjoy this banter quite immensely. Unfortunately I have a bit of business to attend to that will require my full attention. Enjoy the game, we must do this again sometime.


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