Yankees vs. Tigers/Pettitte/A-Rod MRI results
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Update, 7:13: Not a good start for CC Sabathia, giving up the Austin Jackson homer on his first pitch. But Curtis Granderson saved him on the last two batters with the running catch in deep right-center and the diving catch in left-center.
Update, 7:30: Nick Swisher came out of last night’s game with his tennis elbow pain, but he told Joe Girardi before this game that he wanted to play. And there he was coming through with the two-run single off Justin Verlander to give the Yankees the 2-1 lead here in the first.
Update, 7:46: Curtis Granderson matched the guy he was traded for – Jackson – with that that solo shot to right. That’s four hits in four at-bats over two games now, with a walk mixed in there. His remodeled swing seems to be working. So it’s 3-1 in the second.
Update, 8:32: Sabathia is making the pitches when he has to make them, but it’s no surprise. He’s 60-22 in his career with a 2.95 era from Aug. 1 through the conclusion of the regular season. He’s allowed two hits through four.
Update, 8:38: The results are in on Andy Pettitte’s MRI. It seems like he keeps getting further away from returning. The test showed a small persistent strain of the left groin. He can throw off flat ground, but he can’t throw off a mound again for approximately one week. So it’s obvious he won’t be back until September at the earliest.
Update, 8:46: Sabathia strikes out the side in the fifth. That’s 7 Ks.
Update, 8:54: Jorge Posada’s single here in the fifth gives him 1,558 hits, tying Thurman Munson for 17th on the Yankees’ all-time list.
Update, 9:05: Sabathia has a three-hitter through six.
Update, 9:06: Verlander is out after five innings of work. Lefty Daniel Schlereth is in.
Update, 9:16: Jeter is now 14 hits from 2,900 after that RBI single made it 4-1. Mark Schlereth, the ESPN football analyst and Daniel’s dad, is here watching.
Update, 9:24: Pitch No. 102 from Sabathia winds up in the left-field seats. Brandon Inge makes it 4-2 with one out in the seventh. Joba is warming.
Update, 9:28: One on, two outs. Joe Girardi came out, but he’s leaving Sabathia in to face Jackson despite that first-inning homer.
Update, 9:31: Good move. Jackson goes down swinging. CC looked pumped. Now his night is probably done.
Update, 9:35: Homer No. 22 for Cano – 5-2.
Update, 9:37: Swisher can’t catch a break these days. Schlereth hit him in what looked like the left little toe area, but he’s staying in.
Update, 9:54: The eighth inning now belongs to David Robertson with a 6-2 lead.
Update, 10:13: We’ve just learned that A-Rod also underwent an MRI today. He has a low-grade strain of the left calf and is still day to day.
Well NY has shown in the past the ability to lose after 1st inning homers. Let’s see if they can flip the script in more ways than 1. CC has to be a lot better though than he was in that half inning.
A Jax now has 2 home runs.
bretts shoes are ever so shiny
Gardner has to steal here, or Jeter is going to GIDP again.
I love it. Paulie just telling the story about how players try to change their luck by trying something new. And what do you know! Gardner’s new shoes did the trick.
They need a double steal. NOW.
How about NOW?
I hate to say it, but the Yankees HAVE to score here.
ac1
You can’t blame the umpires. Justin Verlander is just a more established veteran pitcher than CC. Of course he’s going to get the calls over CC. CC has to earn the respect of the umpires!
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I see nothing wrong with how Torre was treated. It was actually Torre who treated the Yankees like crap. As for Tartabull and Winfield, that was in the 80s and early 90s. You’re going to hold something from 15 years ago against the current Yankees regime?
Why not mention Strawberry and Gooden – and they way they were aided by the organization – if you want to mention 15 years ago.
cano needs to stop swinging at pitches at eye level.
Cano has been back to free swinging for a while now.
good AB here by Robbie…
GB7-
Johnny Damon with the letters switched around spells “ERICA”??!?
I LOVE IT… LOL
wow, my9 miracle?
I would even be thrilled with a fly ball here
come on ump thats ball 2!
That pitch just changed the whole complexion of the plate appearance. that strike was head high.
why YES never shows kzone?
How could an umpire give Verlander that pitch? He hasn’t “earned” it either by throwing pitches near the zone.
That completely changes the at bat.
That was a high strike.
Super Swisher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbz8Dupz0Z4
no, that’s not a strike.
anyway, 2 runs
Hoot Hoot.
You guys are ahead of me. Are you watching on tv?
thank god!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on Posada keep the line moving. Don’t help him out…
infield hit
Matt
That’s a fallacy. I appreciate everything SJ44 says, but he believes in the false premise of fairness – and therefore believes it’s simply a case of “if you’re not near the strike zone, you’re not going to get close pitches.” He’s wrong! It’s just a matter of uniform.
I’d like “Jorgie juiced one” for his birthday please
32 pitches…Keep it going…
12 strikes/19 balls.
TB up 2-0
What an ugly swing from Jorge!
Wow… Verlander already at 33 pitches
this is yankee baseball….
Alright Thames we need the knock out punch here…
Yuck
Ugh, that turned into a not even that good inning.
BAD LUCK
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH
that was huge for verlander. Wow.
Is Thames kidding me??? That was a dreadful approach. He swung at ball 2.
ugh….
a clear lack of baseball iq.
giradri batting thames before curtis and thames swinging at that pitch
hindsight jesusmonterofordh… thames has been hitting much better than granderson.
Some is better than none. Keep the pressure on Verlander in the 2nd inning.
Thames didn’t get the memo about taking pitches.
Time for a shut-down inning from CC so we can get right back out there.
I hate when every guy in the lineup is patient and takes their walks and then someone comes up and just hacks away. There was no chance Thames was going to hit that pitch. He really let Verlander off the hook.
Such poor discipline by a professional.
Pitcher can’t find the plate and you put a defensive swing on a 1-0 count with bases juiced?
Awful, awful at-bat.
i will say this Thames AB aside, Yankees including last night has collectively made pitchers work, much better approach than the KC series.
and yes Thames swung at ball 2 and did not hit it hard
i dont believe it. Thames has been one of our most patient hitters over the past couple weeks, and when the rest of our offense succeeds against the elite, yet struggling with control Verlander, the only idiot to go up there and swing early and the bad luck of a ball going right back to the mound costs us.
I wonder Verlander is hurt , his velo looks down a tad and I don’t ever remember him being this wild.
when a pitcher is throwing no strikes, you dont swing at a high 1-0 pitch. you make him throw 2 strikes. I learned that in 12 year old little league. Thames miss that day?
Whoever is pitching for Texas is stinking up the joint.
has thames been hitting better, but curtis been hitting balls hard lately. curtis is the better hitter against righty.
i am not suggesting curtis would been productive in that at bat, he should been hitting before thames
As they said Verlander’s 1st inning era is very bad hopefully he doesn’t settle down after getting out of that.
Huge shut down inning for the big man. Let’s tack on now!
now verlander will throw 35 pitches for the next 5 innings
hope i’m wrong
A really good play and a great one by Granderson in that first inning. Good AB’s by the Yankees in the first inning. Thames expanded the zone and helped Verlander out there but the Yanks need to continue to push the count against Verlander….thats the only way to get to him. Can’t let him get in a groove because he’s nearly unhittable when he does. CC has a good change today.
just saying giradri
I really like this Curtis Granderson
GRANDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KLONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice, Granderson…
Grandy’s winning.
Curtis could of batted 5th tonight. Nice going…
well i guess granderson above thames would have had a different result. you live and learn.
Yeah… that Curtis trade was sooo not worth it.
curtis will not be shown up by austin jackson
No doubt about that one. Line drive that was smoked.
m August 17th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Whoever is pitching for Texas is stinking up the joint.
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That would be Tommy Hunter. He is facing Garza who are both Erica’s Avengers
Granderson is like a totally different batter since the work with Long, his bat is really alive through the strike zone and the ball is just jumping off it.
Too bad they didn’t change his swing 2 months ago
Aaaand grandy has now totally trumped jacksons leadoff homer
Curtis could of batted 5th tonight. Nice going…
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Curtis hasn’t hit all year and now because people saw a homerun they suddenly swear that girardi was wrong for not batting him batting 5th?
Grandy man haters
That’s one of the things CC is best at. Get him a couple runs and he comes out and slaps the other team in the face and gets Verlander back out there. Great job by Sabathia there….he did what he always does. Takes an inventory of what he has that day in the 1st, then adjusts.
Time to take out Verlander when Pena gets a hit lol
just read about pettite , MRI, that’s worrisome.
Curtis Granderson has dominant tools. He has phenomenal hand speed and can generate great natural power.
It’s remarkable how those changes in his swing have unleashed those hands. His swings are now so much more explosive where before they were just helicoptering around.
And in that at bat Granderson laying off that second pitch slider was a nice sign. That’s exactly the kind of pitch he was swinging and missing before because he had to commit too early.
He’s learning to wait more and trust his hands because that bat speed isn’t running into as many obstacles and he’s much faster.
That was an absolute laser. Couple that shot with the defensive plays he’s made – that’s the CF they were hoping for.
Maybe Tommy Hunter is still feeling the after effects of the virus he had 5 days ago!
Penas had a down year offensively but I like him in the long run. Plus he’s spectacular on defense, usually.
not liking the bunt there
I don’t know if I like that bunt. Gardner doesn’t know how to bunt and why are you giving him an out??
Tommy Hunter who had a 2 something ERA before his last start?
Thanks, Tommy.
You know you’re struggling when Pena loops that into CF. He only swung at 5 balls outside the zone.
Granderson likely a totally different player.
nevermind Tampa, at some point , we (Yankees) just need to win . you win , you take care all that other shiite.
curtis should of not hit 5th, should of hit before thames though
jeter just swung at ball 1 and 2. c’mon man!
Gardner tries to bunt in the weirdest situations. The other day against Soria leading off the 9th and it was a terrible bunt and now when the pitcher can’t get an out and is struggling. He needs to work on his tools if he wants to use them.
Not a bad idea to bunt with Captain GIDP coming up.
# ac1 August 17th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Curtis could of batted 5th tonight. Nice going…
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Curtis hasn’t hit all year and now because people saw a homerun they suddenly swear that girardi was wrong for not batting him batting 5th?
RHP on the mound? Thames batting over him? Come on.
it’s best if tampa and the yanks take care of business and win; keep the sox out of the playoffs
I don’t like that thing that Tex and Jorge, and now Jeter is doing. All that body language to sell the ball.
Grandy!!!!
Yankees are giving Verlander the Javy treatment. nearing 60 pitches in the 2nd inning.
JETER!!!!!!!!!!!! Could have done that last night, argh! oh well!
ha.. jeter with two walks. verlander is really off tonight.
i clicked submit earlier. stupid computer
I meant Curtis should of batted before Thames. He is actually swinging the bat well and they should take advantage of it. Thames is what he is. He is only in the lineup today because the Yanks had no one to use against a righty.
i do notice Joe G are fascinate with idea of not stacking LHs or RHs in a row which explains why Curtis hits behind thames tonight. whatever, no big deal.
It’d be nice to deliver some kind of big blow here from Tex
“That was an absolute laser. Couple that shot with the defensive plays he’s made – that’s the CF they were hoping for.”
This is the guy the Yankees thought they traded for. A guy that could contribute on both sides of the ball. He’s going A to B much better in his swing now. He’s cut out C and D and as you say its allowing him to let the ball get deeper and to see it longer. He just didn’t look like he was seeing the ball at all before. Now he’s in a much better position to move towards the baseball and he’s just letting it travel and pouncing on it. I hope he keeps it up.
if only jeter could that leading off
The last thing the yankees need to do now is to move granderson up in the line up a lot to an increased run producing spot.
He’s changed his swing alot. Just leave him alone and let him get used to it.
57 pitches…Keep it going….
Gardner tries to bunt in the weirdest situations
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Other night as lead off he was trying to get on base in a one run game; just poor execution.
Tonight, chance for base hit, moves runner, eliminates DP from Jeter. Not a bad idea, and execution was actually pretty good.
most of you are treating Jeter the way so many Yankees fans did with the Mick back in the day-he’d strike out 4 times in a game and hear nothing but boos, then go yard twice the next game and everyone would cheer. You’ll never realize just how special Jeter is until he’s gone.
Tex swings at balls 3 and 4.
Tex has to stop reaching for those pitches on the outside corner. He is getting himself out by swinging at them and with his swing/stance he can’t reach or hit them.
Verlander is having trouble throwing strikes, and with runners on base, hitters refuse to take pitches and let him get himself in trouble. Make him prove he can throw strikes before you go up there hacking away!
Come on Tex, no need to expand the zone and bail him out there.
MG, we both agree on that. People need to get off Jeter’s back. He’ll be given whatever $$ amount he wants, for everything he’s done for this franchise, on and off the field. He’s deserving of whatever he gets, imo!
tex has been off since he got back from paternity leave
“He just didn’t look like he was seeing the ball at all before. Now he’s in a much better position to move towards the baseball and he’s just letting it travel and pouncing on it. I”
blake-
You can see in his takes in particular how much better he’s following the ball. He’s not swinging at all those awful breaking pitches and off speed pitches like he was before.
Not sure if it’s because his head is more still or if it’s because he’s now able to wait longer.
Probably both.
Letting Verlander off the hook….
oh well, we had another 28 pitch inning. we’re making Verla short for this game.
I’m feeling greedy tonight. They needed more that inning.
CB
You hear about Ozil? I was stunned today to read he went to Madrid.
Wait a minute! Something is wrong here. The Yankees are winning and there is a post from Matt? Uh oh. Dire things could be in our future.
Verlander on pace to throw 288 pitches.
Even though it seems like Verlander has been imploding tonight, he’s only given up 3 runs so far. The Yankees continue to get themselves out in hitters’ counts by chasing pitches off the plate. The Thames and Teixeira at bats are the only reason Verlander is still in this game.
4 left on through 2.
i know they are winning but the RISP is still an issue.
they are letting verlander stay in the game.
cano had a good at bat good approach, unfortunely he having a really bad month.
hopefully he can get out his slump
Anaheim doing that thing again where they totally roll over for the RS tonight. I’d expect no help from the AL West tonight.
Paul Scholes was superb yesterday. Just brilliant. Remarkable he’s able to play that way at his age.
Hi everyone,
I hated gardner’s bunt, it’s only the second inning and verlander is wild, let him earn the out don’t just give it away the way they did, the complexion of the whole inning change there
Verlander gets out of trouble once again….At least he is up to 64 pitches.
“hitters refuse to take pitches and let him get himself in trouble. Make him prove he can throw strikes before you go up there hacking away!”
This the plague of the yankees for past couple seasons, and it really shows when they face somebody for the first time.. pitchers know that you don’t have to throw strikes to get these guys out..
I don’t mind seeing a SO on called third as long as the hitter is working the count, but these first and second pitch weak hacks frustrate the heck out of me.
I have the Tigers feed on Extra Innings and it’s interesting to listen to the perspective of the opposing team announcers. Rod Allen, the color guy (former big leaguer and minor league batting coach) praised Jorge for the way he kept pitches out of the middle of the zone when CC is ahead, they also said Teix was quoted as saying that Robbie Cano is the ‘best player he’s ever seen.
could do that
Hopefully Arod is back soon because Cano really needs a day off. Just because he is young doesn’t mean he can play everyday especially in this heat it effects everyone.
CB,
A couple weeks ago I asked what happened with Granderson and the contacts situation he was having in ST. It just looked to me like he couldn’t see the ball and I remember them talking then about how he was trying contacts for the first time.
He had a lot of head movement before and his swing really required him to start early because of all the moving parts. Those 2 things combined can make it pretty difficult to track the ball whether you can see or not. By quietening everything down it does appear like he’s seeing it much better now and just going straight to it.
Scholesie was remarkable yesterday. He was also excellent in the Community Shield a week ago, and iirc, he was man of the match of that game.
Jeter deserves to get paid for his performance. He NEVER was worth $20M for his production – he got a well-deserved premium for all that other stuff. The Yankees owe him nothing extra. He’s not some guy who was low paid and turned out to be a star. They gave him a huge ten year contract during which David Ortiz won more rings. He’s a great Yankee…give him a monument, give him a day, but don’t give him more than he’s worth in years or dollars.
I like that cheap strike 3 on Austin Jackson. Thanks HP umpire!
verlander can still go 6. i want him out by the 3rd.
CR9-
I saw that. Real must have made some serious promises to him regarding playing time. Heard very conflicting things about his interest in playing in the EPL. Some sources said that his camps would not entertain playing at either Chelsea or Man U. Others said he had interest in going to the EPL because Barca and Real weren’t making him promises about playing time.
In the end it sounds like Perez got together with Ozil and his dad and told them what he wanted to hear. I think that’s actually why Man U didn’t even make a bid. Ozil was sold on Real after Barca said they weren’t interested.
Mourinho is setting up the same system he played at Inter. I don’t think this bodes well for Van der Vaart or Kaka. Ozil comes in as Mourhino’s guy.
HUGE! He bailed out CC there!
CR9 August 17th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
ac1
You can’t blame the umpires. Justin Verlander is just a more established veteran pitcher than CC. Of course he’s going to get the calls over CC. CC has to earn the respect of the umpires!
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Since when? CC has been around longer has almost double his wins.
mashmore98 24 pitches, 18 strikes for Aceves through 2. 4 K’s. Breaking stuff looks FILTHY.
57ryank
If you couldnt see the sarcasm in that statement, then I cant help you!
you can really see that bat speed for Granderson. That’s not 8 hits in his last 6 games by my count (counting this game – so hopefully he’ll add to that). Would be nice for him to get hot and pick up this team that is struggling at the moment and could use someone to give them a kick.
wow.. just logged in and the yanks are up 3-1 against verlander.. I thought yanks can’t touch him..
Don’t understand why Thames is starting against Verlander !
It would be nice to get Verlander up to 80 pitches going into the 4th inning.
ouch thames
Thames looks terrible in this game, but what other option is there? I guess they could start Kearns, but this team has few options with the injuries.
guess this is why thames is generally facing lefties.
Don’t understand why Thames is starting against Verlander
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Who else are you going to DH today? A lot of guys are hurt. Thames does look terrible but they had no one else.
for all you complainers about the Yankees hitting into DPs with runners on, here’s an interesting stat:
The Yankees are 25th in MLB for number of DPs, 25th. 79 this season before tonight. The Twins lead with 125, how would you like to be watching Twins games on a regular basis?
They are also 3rd in walks and 19th in Strikeouts. The Rays lead baseball in walks but have 125 more K’s than the Yankees.
“He had a lot of head movement before and his swing really required him to start early because of all the moving parts. ”
I think overall the major thing now is that he’s able to wait much longer. The head movement is also much less.
Compare the home run he hit tonight to that deep foul ball he hit in that would be come back late against the Royals. There he was too fast on the ball and crushed it foul – and that was on a hard fastball. It almost looked like he was surprised to be able to be so direct and fast to the ball.
Tonight he staid back and let the ball travel to him – even though it was a Verlander fastball. And he still was able to explode on the ball.
I didn’t know any of that stuff regarding Ozil and playing time and not wanting to go to the EPL. Very interesting. Well, Barca was never going to be able to guarantee him PT, so I guess that only left Madrid.
I thought VDV was already on his way out. I really hope that doesnt mean the end of Kaka at Madrid. I was really hoping to see a real coach with Kaka and CR together. I know you don’t put too much stock in the coaching being the problem at Madrid – instead, the upper management, which I agree with – but I am convinced that a manager of Mourinho’s stature can bring Madrid success.
57 yank,
There is no one else but thames, arod hurt, berkman hurt, it’s either kearns or thames unless you want to play cervelli!! didn”t think so LOL
Per Gameday, the zone is all over the place tonight.
They just showed a side by side before and after with Granderson and it was pretty stark. Before his hands did this strange circular motion as the ball was coming…now there’s just a small back movement to load then forward to the ball.
The only other DH option was Kearns play RF and Swish DH. Kearns had some really good at bats recently so that was probably a better option than Thames against a righty. But I guess Girardi was trying to get some power out of Thames tonight.
what Granderson is doing with these swing changes is pretty amazing. I’ve played lots of golf in my life and know how tough it is to take swing changes on the range and make them work out on the golf course, it’s got to be 10X tougher in baseball when you’re trying to hit a 95 mph fastball.
How I miss Johnny Damon……
Thames has decent #s v RHP. 3 of his 4 HR are v. RHP in less at bats. Leave Kearns on the bench as a PH later in the game. I don’t have an issue with it.
JOHNNY DAMON!!!
way to battle Damon!
now steal 2nd on Posada, show your skill
Damon !
CC’s command is off tonight
Come on CC!! He is going to have to invent things on the mound tonight like Andy does. It doesn’t seem like he can throw his fastball for a strike.
Anyone else on HD having trouble with this channel???
Tricky hop there….nice play by Pena.
d@mm that would been a dp, if no wp
The Other Phil August 17th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
CC’s command is off tonight
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not really, Damon is good at grinding out ABs and work that walk IMO
Anyone with HD having trouble with this channel????
# luis August 17th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
57 yank,
There is no one else but thames, arod hurt, berkman hurt, it’s either kearns or thames unless you want to play cervelli!! didn”t think so LOL
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Would rather have seen Kearns, but I guess you gotta save him for playing the outfield if someone got hurt.
CC is really off tonight, it shows you just how good he is to get through with one run so far. Some good defense, of course, has really helped him…
GoldGlove9486 August 17th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Anyone else on HD having trouble with this channel???
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Yeah. Awful periodic static
Lol @ kay referencing a beer bong
Thanks Erica…now they have just cut it to the regular my9 feed without the HD. Just got HD a week ago, so I was getting nervous.
They are going to have to go to his off speed pitches more. He can’t command his fastball.
CC is one of the best pitchers in baseball at getting through lineups without his best stuff. He is great at making adjustments in game…..I guess he may have learned a thing or two from that other lefty in the rotation.
# MG August 17th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
for all you complainers about the Yankees hitting into DPs with runners on, here’s an interesting stat:
The Yankees are 25th in MLB for number of DPs, 25th. 79 this season before tonight. The Twins lead with 125, how would you like to be watching Twins games on a regular basis?
They are also 3rd in walks and 19th in Strikeouts. The Rays lead baseball in walks but have 125 more K’s than the Yankees.
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Probably won’t mean much to some here !
well we rent getting help from texas or anaheim tonight.
dangerous AB, Inge has got some pops.
d@mm it cc
the strike zone tonight is the size of a peanut for both men. these are two great pitchers throwing too many balls. A lot of these would generally be strikes too.
Find that release point big guy.
Pena is a “GOLDEN” glove, hope he is able to hit even .250 in future. He could be around a long time if he does.
GoldGlove9486 August 17th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Thanks Erica…now they have just cut it to the regular my9 feed without the HD. Just got HD a week ago, so I was getting nervous.
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No problem….
Isn’t HD amazing?
Two years ago I went into Best Buy to buy a CD and I wandered over to the TVs. I saw an HD TV that was flashing images of A-Rod and it seemed like a sign to buy it.
I walked out with a giant HD TV and no CD
Come on CC!!!
Pena also runs very well
according to gameday, all three of those balls were strikes.
Woohoo!
Hey all. I didn’t treat myself to reading the comments, since CC’s giving up a homer on his first pitch isn’t the kind of thing that typically engenders patient or understanding comments.
Well, the sun came up today and the Yankees have started hitting again. Seems I predicted both things last night. Okay, maybe I didn’t predict the part about the sun coming up but I did say that the Yanks would start to turn things around in this game.
The power of positive thinking.
Huge pitch. Leyland unhappy camper.
leyland has no right to complain.
Great pitch to Inge. As Leyland cries like a baby.
Jered Weaver has given up 5 runs, lol! Scioscia!
Yeah, Leland. We didn’t like the one that went against us in the first either.
trish, we have 3 runs. They have also left 5 men on base in the first 3 innings.
Let’s get some more runs!!!!!!!
Weird floating zone. That 2-0 to Pena didn’t look like a strike. Oh, well. We’re still winning. Can’t complain.
89 pitches. Let’s knock him out!!!
good stolen base.
close…..out….but very close.
let’s turn this extra out and extra base into an extra run!
another team of crappy officiating. they have to fix this problem.
That swing from Jeter was Vlad like…..
alright now leyland got a legit arguement
Captain Clutch August 17th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
That swing from Jeter was Vlad like…..
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jeter had to swing, because god knows what is going to be called a strike tonight.
tex good at bat, but tex is not good at hitting pitchers with good changeups
It is really sad watching Derek struggle so badly.
and that is 6 left on through 4.
pettitte has another week before he can throw off a mound at all. meaning a few more weeks, into september most likely.
Its really amazing how poor the state of umpiring has been this year.
Its at the point where it absolutely simply cannot be a product of my selective memory. I have very poor eyesight and watching the Gardner steal live immediately muttered “out” as soon as the tag was put down. It didn’t even really look all that close…in real time…on television.
all of a sudden CC has settled in and is dealing now, that’s what top pitchers have always done.
The Angels are pathetic. Have they won a game against Boston this year? I don’t think so.
I think the Angels have won 1 game against them this year.
Nice to see that CC can still miss some bats.
that was inside too. wow this ump is bad.
Nice cheap strikes to Jackson. Thanks HP umpire!
Poor Austin. He had a legit gripe there. Leyland must be having a coronary right about now.
Looks like Mid-September at the earliest now for Andy.
This team is going to have to start hitting.
They can’t expect Moseley, Vazquez and AJ to pitch like Andy and CC and continue to keep runs to a minimum.
The pitching staff has carried this team all year.
It’s time the offense steps up.
the only way the Sox are going to catch the Yankees is for the Yankees to stink it up the rest of the season and for the Sox to play at least .667 baseball the rest of the way. If that happens it’s all on the Yankees for playing crappy baseball and has nothing to do with the Sox, I can’t understand why so many of you are so paranoid about them.
“Poor Austin. ”
What kind of mixed loyalties is this?
CC is not happy with the the rainbow state.
girardi and leyland should both go out there and give the ump a piece of their mind.
No “Poor Austin
I’ll take any cheap call we get.
“trish, we have 3 runs. They have also left 5 men on base in the first 3 innings.”
ac1, what I actually said last night was the following:
“I say they turn it around tomorrow.
Night all”
“I’m guessing it starts to get better tomorrow.”
I didn’t say they would turn into an offensive juggernaut tonight.
Meanwhile, remember who’s pitching for Detroit. Verlander is a good pitcher!
that called strike 2 was outside too.
that strikeout pitch to Jackson looked pretty good to me, what’s the issue? He fooled him completely with the breaking ball and deserved the K…
Can’t complain about the strike zone tonight.
It’s horrible for both teams.
Just have to deal with it and hit the ball.
No more excuses the rest of the way.
Just have to get the job done.
a two run double and a homerun is certainly better, but the underlying problem is still real obvious.
Verlander looks a lot better the last 2 innings. Leyland will probably let him pitch the 6th.
they have to get it done, you know Sux will sweep Angels .
complaining about the zone on behalf of both teams.
You never know; the Angels could win a game – if the Sox decide to throw away a game. By the gift of
GodRed Sox, the Angels could win ONE game.“They can’t expect Moseley, Vazquez and AJ to pitch like Andy and CC and continue to keep runs to a minimum.”
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I think its time for the latter to get on an extended roll.
He’s still capable. Its almost difficult to remember that he absolutely carried this team on his back for big chunks of last season.
He’s getting paid like that type of pitcher and he has produced results to that degree before.
red sox is helluva team and getting healthy , Tampa is also excellent team. There are absolutely no surprise there.
The yankees need to win games , period.
Why would Yankees fans complain about the strike zone when it ONCE seems to be benefiting us. I’ll take 162 games a season like this – with our pitcher receiving strikes on the inside.
awful call, but giradri was stupid to pull thames in the 7th hole
amazingly enough, the Yankees, Rays, and Sox are all 5-5 in their last 10 games. I thought both of those other teams never lost a game or went into a slump like the Yankees.
Nothing to do with loyalties. It’s all about integrity and getting it right in the Aloha State.
Joe G wasn’t paying lips service when he claims this will be three team battles to end. When you look at head to head match ups and nightmarish sept schedule for the Yanks.
it’s time to man up, with or without Pettite. The offense needs to pick up like SJ says , and start with a better approach at the plate, the talent is there and greater than Tampa and red sox imo.
cc is getting help, but the bad calls are hurting us too.
Update, 8:38: The results are in on Andy Pettitte’s MRI. It seems like he keeps getting further away from returning. The test showed a small persistent strain of the left groin. He can throw off flat ground, but he can’t throw off a mound again for approximately one week. So it’s obvious he won’t be back until September at the earliest.
maybe the tough september schedule will help the yankees. they had a tough april schedule and they played well. maybe competition will bring out the talent.
Stupid Damon…He missed him by a step.
Verlander at 114 pitches. Leyland knows he’ll need some bullpen in the the 2 games.
Cashman must be on the verge of recalling Ivan Nova with Andy being out until September.
and the angels crap the bed with the bases loaded.
The ballpark played big on that flyball.
That ball was crushed and just died in CF.
Cashman must be on the verge of recalling Ivan Nova with Andy being out until September.
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Maybe, or maybe they go to mitre, since aceves will be coming back and they will need the pen space.
Good thing that ball was hit to CF. They can’t let Cabrera beat them.
@Tom, judging by these updates on Pettite, we simply can’t count on him to a contributor down the stretch. Time to be mentally prepare to play with him.
I knew the Yankees would play a game today, I just knew it, none of you believed me, when the Yankees win 28, it’s because I knew the Yankees would play today, all you silly pessimists wallowing in facts be damned, I was right all along!
“a two run double and a homerun is certainly better, but the underlying problem is still real obvious.”
Yeah the underlying problem is that the team has been in an offensive slump. Happens in baseball. When you see runs and hits happening, it means they’re starting to come out of it. Patience is a virtue. Don’t waste worry where none is called for.
This forum stresses out every time the Yankees slump, every single season, and they act like they’ve never seen anything like it before. It happened last season also in August and I read the posts someone referred us to last night, they were from last year at this time.
As my father always used to tell us, even a monkey learns if you show it enough!
without him , meh
near 100, does cc come back for the 7th, or do they save his arm and go logan/robertson?
Time for this offense adds on.
I doubt Verlander is coming out for the 6th.
Pettitte was off to his best start ever, hope he’s the same when he gets back.
CC has lived dangerously with Cabrera the whole game and has gotten away with it. He’s pitching a great game though despite not having his A stuff or location.
Nova is a completely unknown commodity, there is no guarantee he can pitch effectively in the middle of a pennant race. He could be really good or could get hammered but I doubt he’ll be brought up, the Yankees have other options (Mitre) on the current to replace Vazquez if they decide to pull him from the rotation.
i hope andy doesnt see this injury as a reason to retire…
I wonder if Andy being out is the reason why Vazquez isn’t on the dl or just skipped a start. If Andy is pitching then Vazquez can miss a start and maybe that would refresh him but with Andy out they probably don’t want 2 unknowns in the rotation. If Vazquez stinks up his next start they might not have a choice.
Was he right?
Let’s see if we can tag Stink Jr. for some runs.
August 17th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
near 100, does cc come back for the 7th, or do they save his arm and go logan/robertson?
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IMO, CC for more.
Cashmoney, I can’t say I disagree.
No reason to save CC. It’s August, and it’s a pennant race.
He has to come out for the 7th.
mernaloy, disappear douche bag.
I would bring Nova up and DL Vaz for 15 days. 1. it gives him a breather 2. the current start Vaz is in does Yankees little good when he starts.
Mark Schlereth looks like a ball of nerves…
CC is likely to pitch into the 8th unless he gets in trouble in the 7th, there would be no reason on earth to pull him now.
They have to try and scratch out another run now or in the 7th inning. It tough to ask the bullpen to pitch in close games every night.
CC average 115 pitches per start, this hasn’t that arduous of journey tonight, he will come out for more.
the Tigers color guy, Rod Allen, is really, really good. I’ve never heard him before tonight.
Gardner is now 10 for his last 18.
Now is the time to put him in the leadoff spot, and move Jeter to the 2 spot the rest of the way.
It also balances out the lineup to have Swisher bat sixth behind Posada.
I think Gardner’s making a pretty good case to stay in the leadoff spot beyond tonight.
“judging by these updates on Pettite, we simply can’t count on him to a contributor down the stretch. Time to be mentally prepare to play with him.”
Have to agree – which is why the offense needs to step in a big way. With only one reliable SP, they need to get hot down the stretch.
The pen also needs to keep it up
Jeter.
ac1, as I said, the turnaround starts tonight.
When a team is slumping there’s no bell to tell you when it’s going to turn around. (That’s when you need the perspicacity of a trisha)
I do hate that Andy’s coming back is being delayed. However it appears that Moseley is a decent substitute.
That is a very, very big hit for Jeter.
Mentally even more so than its importance within this game.
Jeter! 3yrs/33m!
Big run. A little breathing room.
SJ, Girardi can make that move now but couldn’t when Gardner was slumping as badly as he was.
El Capitan reminds you all that he still can play.
wish he did that last night
Go Jeter!!! That was a big run to get.
thinking girardi may try gardner/jeter another night?
DA YANKS!!!
I thought Schlereth was supposed to throw in the high 90s out of the pen?
TheStraw August 17th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
El Capitan reminds you all that he still can play.
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no one hates him Straw, i hope he reminds us every day.
Great AB and great jump there by Jeter.
trish ill take your word for it. im all for your optimism and i hope you are right. i still believe the yankees are the best of the 3 teams in the race.
Thats not a strike…good grief.
see. cc isnt the only one benefitting from that inside strike.
Joke of a call right there.
LOL Nice strike call ump
HAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHA
I’m sorry. In my entire life as a baseball fan I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a worse ball called a strike.
im saying…. joe g and leyland need to both get in the umps face.
baseball will do nothing like usual to fix this.
i dont even think we need a home plate ump anymore other than to call safe and out at the plate.
computers can do the strikes and balls.
That pitch was two feet out of the strikezone.
Hope CC gets that pitch this half inning.
I wish I could see the umpire grading system after tonight.
His score won’t get him a post-season grade.
Ledger_Yankees Teixeira is still fuming at the ump; Girardi out too. The first baseman nearly blew a fuse.
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good
they all need to make a point.
Come on CC!!
Geez. Kinda hard to hit when you have no idea where the strike zone is.
this is one of those days you want cc to throw a 97 heater and posada to duck and let it hit the ump.
I can’t say I blame Tex….that pitch really wasn’t close.
Bad there goes the extra run…Get the bullpen up…
Jeter’s hit looks even bigger now.
that’s OK. 5 outs away from Mo.
it’s hard to preach plate disciplines and attacking pitches in the zone when the zone is @ the whims of the umpire.
I could see why G is fuming.
G-C
Did you watch Eric Gregg, the HP umpire, in the Braves – Marlins 1997 playoff series?
That guy made the worst ball-strike calls in the history of baseball.
Sliders is warming up….
ac1, you’re absolutely right, they are. You really have to have the ability to apply a macro perspective and stay with it because the way some of the posters here dissect every pitch and (non) hit, if you bother yourself listening to their daily grim reaper warnings and prognostications, you can become brainwashed with the stuff!
These are the same Yankees who are a tremendous team but are subject to the same whims of the game that other teams are and are subject to the same slumping periods that other teams are.
If you can agree with what Tabbert said last night, this lineup is far too good to be playing the kind of ball they’ve been playing, then you can feel good about the chances that they’re going to morph back into the team you feel really good about.
It’s all good.
MLB really should be ashamed of themselves the way they keep their heads in the sand about the poor state of umpiring in the game.
You talk to players and they can’t believe how bad some of these guys have been this year.
CC got beat by a bad changeup to Inge.
Back to a nailbiter again.
Good lord can CC battle. I always feel such confidence when he’s on the mound, even when he doesn’t have his good stuff.
All the people that complained about the Yankees plate discipline…
What do you expect to happen when there is no defined strike zone (though there is a defined strike zone in the rule book), and no consistency from any of the umpiring crews or umpires?
Forget about my theories; forget about bias. The fact is, there is no consistency, and you can’t expect players to not be affected by the differing strike zones. They’re plate appearances are directly affected by them.
Nice pitch! CC is a horse.
read that buster olney article in 1999 after the yankees got shut out back to back days, where he declared them done. obviously they won in 99, 00 and lost in game 7 in 01. so no more making that mistake.
Agreed. CC is just an absolute battler.
111 pitches? wow big game
No way you take CC out here.
Joba is warming?!
1 strike away!
If any other batter was up I am sure Girardi would of taken him out. I am sure he can get Jackson here.
trisha – true pinstriped blue August 17th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Good lord can CC battle. I always feel such confidence when he’s on the mound, even when he doesn’t have his good stuff.
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pretty sure he attacks with same ferocity and tenacity as he is with a cheeseburger.
wow!!!! that’s how ace pitches!
Paul O’Neill is talking about his .419 BABIP and saying that statistic makes him good. When, in fact, that just makes him lucky.
CC CC CC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The best money Cash ever spent.
Huge pitch by the big man.
great game cc, gotta get that run back
Hey we get lectured all the time about not complaining about umpires, and my favorite – it all evens out in the end – is such hogwash.
I point to the McLelland game where he missed a call that eventually sent the Padres home for the season.
Players have the right to expect a fairly-called game.
Amazing the everyone involved in the game seems to sit on their hands about this one.
It takes a lot for me to work up a really intense dislike for someone or something. I’ve managed to do it for Bud Selig.
Cashmoney
You have that wrong. CC attacks each game with the same ferocity and intensity as Pete Abe attacks a cheeseburger!
CC is a true ace.
If CC doesn’t win the Cy Young this year…….
cc is definitely a viable candidate for the cy young this year. price, probably buchholz too….
CC made a couple of mistakes but threw a terrific game. Very good slider and change up tonight.
He’s still a hair off from when he’s really locked in. But even when he’s not he can still be fantastic.
A couple of tack on runs would be very nice here.
trisha, selig is known for keeping his head in the sand about everything. ie: umps, roids, etc.
“pretty sure he attacks with same ferocity and tenacity as he is with a cheeseburger.”
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SJ, you call 4-2 in the 7th a nailbiter? No wonder I consider you to be an overreactor! A nailbiter to me is taking a one run lead into the 9th, away from home, and having the bases loaded with nobody out in the bottom of the 9th!
CR9 August 17th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
Cashmoney
You have that wrong. CC attacks each game with the same ferocity and intensity as Pete Abe attacks a cheeseburger!
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PeterAbe of the globes? maybe so, I bet CC can Nathan Challenge Abe…
ROBI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Little Stink with another run given up!
Go Cano!!!! He gets the run back….
Robbie!!
Ah, SJ can relax a little.
What a swing.
# TheStraw August 17th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
If CC doesn’t win the Cy Young this year…….
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Price is probably his biggest hurdle.
And there you go. Ask for a tack on run and Robbi delivers.
Sclereth has been very tough tonight – especially on LH hitting.
Great job by cano. What a great stroke
When is Bud Selig going to step up and take action against the clearly biased attitude on the part of umpires towards the Yankees. Seems like in every series, there are blatantly bad calls made against them without scrutiny or investigation. It’s getting ridiculous.
Phil Cuzzi also helped the Yankees win a playoff game against Twins last year.
Umpiring is bad all over.
Good teams play thru it.
to break robbie out of a slump. let him face a lefty specialists
Ouch, hopefully Swish is ok. No more injuries!!!
Trisha,
4-2 is a nailbiter game.
A walk and a HR (until Cano just hit one) and it’s a tie game.
Games with little margin for error are nailbiter games.
SJ – you’re full of it. One bad call can change the course of a team’s season. They shouldn’t have to deal with it.
And by the way, I don’t give a rat’s patootie who is benefitted and who isn’t. I want farily called games, period. And I’m guessing everyone who isn’t a game whore feels the same way.
Robbie does seem to just destroy lefty relievers. Such a plus to have a guy like that in your lineup that really can’t be “matched up against”….doesn’t matter who the pitcher is to him.
Have there been any Arod updates?
Save some of C.C.’s bullets.
Mix & match the 8th inning if necessary.
Mariano in to close ……….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY3LAFJbKyY
No, SJ, you’re so wrong…forget what could happen, just believe what I tell you will happen, don’t use reason, use Tricia!
“Trisha,
4-2 is a nailbiter game.
A walk and a HR (until Cano just hit one) and it’s a tie game.
Games with little margin for error are nailbiter games”
That’s one of the funniest things I’ve heard yet SJ. It may be a nailbiter to YOU but it isn’t a nailbiter to ME.
Since there isn’t a baseball definition of nailbiter, I’d say nailbiters are in the backbone of the beholder.
The Angels are shell of what they have been in this last decade. They have just gone home mentally. The Dodgers also —-It must be the smog or something in the water.
Thames hit the crappola out of that one!
Thames must be living right for that one to fall in.
A description of Sabathia is Andy Pettitte with a fastball.
mernaloy take off freak.
Leyland is like LaRussa with the matchups
@Jack, Halo will bounce back next year, they have a great org with great Mgr in Socia. But yeah, they haven’t competitive of late, especially against the sox who pwned them.
Miss you, too, gusb! Now stop causing trouble!
“A description of Sabathia is Andy Pettitte with a fastball.”
Watching CC pitch over the past two seasons – it’s really interesting to see how similar he is to Andy. They really are very similar guys in terms of their pitching IQ, toughness and composure.
That’s a great description. Very similar to Andy but with better stuff. That’s a recipe for a pretty good pitcher.
No Trisha, you are full of it and everybody here knows.
Weren’t you giving up baseball in protest over umpire calls?
Trisha, the game isn’t perfect nor are umpires.
Good teams deal with it and move on.
Stick to cheerleading and instead of telling people how to think here.
If LoHud were to take a poll, I don’t think people here will choose to think like you about anything unless they are heavily sedated.
“The Angels are shell of what they have been in this last decade. ”
Really don’t know what they expected after this winter. They pretty much did nothing. Lost Figgins, lost Vlad, and lost Lackey. Analysts called their rotation top 5 in baseball preseason with no clear #1 in the staff. Can’t have a top 5 rotation with a #2 and several 3′s and 4′s….never really understood that one. It was probably going to be tough for them anyway but when their only real impact bat went down (Morales), they were done.
“A description of Sabathia is Andy Pettitte with a fastball”
I was just thinking that, GB.
You’re the one trying to cause trouble. We don’t need you here.
nice AB by Grandy there…
so with andy being out till sept, will he not be on the postseason roster (cause of the aug 31/sept 1 rule)
I like this new CF they picked up.
Granderson looks more like the guy the Yankees thought they were getting….
can alex PH? need the knockout.
so with andy being out till sept, will he not be on the postseason roster (cause of the aug 31/sept 1 rule)
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he can… DL doesnt count i think.
Nice at bat by Granderson. I always like watching players against their former teams because you usually get a little extra out of them.
we win the game, and beat the my9 curse.
i wonder,
Why do left handed pitchers struggle so much with control??
@blake , I think Angel fleece AZ for Haren, they have a more than respectable pitching staff.
most likely they will go after Crawford and a big DH this winter. they will be contending next season and leading the pack when Lee moves to NY IMO.
Those guys , socia and Tong reagin are smart cats in my opinion.
Sooo… If Brian’s Postings cause us to lose, and the game being on my9 causes us to lose… maybe having both at the same time cancels each other out?
Granderson with another good at bat.
You can just see how much better he’s tracking the ball when he walks.
Two weeks ago he would have struck out that at bat. He wouldn’t have seen the ball, committed early and swung over a slider.
But he saw the ball early, tracked it and laid off.
Grandy had a terrific game tonight, 2 outstanding plays in the outfield when CC was trying to find his rhythm, HR, and that walk really showed patience and confidence against a lefty.
“G-C
Did you watch Eric Gregg, the HP umpire, in the Braves – Marlins 1997 playoff series”
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CR, going back that far and searching for details is a bit too much for my memory.
I still recall a great deal about the Yankee playoff series’ from 1996-1997 because my memory is good and I attended about half of those games.
jeet may get another bases loaded opp
GB,
agree totally. Those two make in game adjustments as well as any pitchers in baseball. CC and Andy both take inventories of what they have that day early in the game and adjust to whatever will get hitters out.
CB, Grandy had about 25 K’s in about 80 ABs before making the changes, since then he’s only K’ed 3X in about 24 ABs, that’s a very significant improvement.
Gardner has made his case to be the permanent leadoff guy.
guess not.
CB August 17th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
“A description of Sabathia is Andy Pettitte with a fastball.”
Watching CC pitch over the past two seasons – it’s really interesting to see how similar he is to Andy. They really are very similar guys in terms of their pitching IQ, toughness and composure.
That’s a great description. Very similar to Andy but with better stuff. That’s a recipe for a pretty good pitcher.
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If sabathia can keep a mid-90s fastball for another 4 years, with his knowledge of pitching, he’s going to be near 250 wins and a crack at 300 with 3000 strikeouts.
It wasn’t until last year that I realized just how much Pettitte and Sabathia pitch and think alike. Gotta love mound intelligence with stuff. Pettitte still has stuff, just not as fast, but, I doubt that he’s a picnic for batters to face.
Anybody know anything about Christopher Tamarez?
He’s a 16 year old SS and the Yankees signed him today as a IFA…
This year is the 1st time the Angels have been tested in years. There hasn’t been a team in their division that was good enough to make them sweat. Texas most likely won’t resign Lee and they are probably a one year wonder anyway. So next year the Angels will probably be back to winning the divison easy.
did Robertson just throw 2 consecutive 92 mph cutters up there?
Pena has almost as many RBI as Thames in less AB’s and 2/3 as many hits, while hitting .208
is cc’s opt out after next season a mutual one, or just a player option?
# Laura – I Bleed Blue August 17th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Gardner has made his case to be the permanent leadoff guy.
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In one game ?
Wally Matthews first question to Girardi after the game,
“Is Robertson your EIG now”?
He will do it just to get a rise out of Girardi.
“did Robertson just throw 2 consecutive 92 mph cutters up there?”
looked like it, he’s been throwing them more lately
On a night when Alex Rodriguez and Berkman are hurt, the Yankees are able to score 6 runs in a game Verlander starts largely due to the production they got from 3 positions teams usually get little offense from – CF,SS, and 2b.
Getting production from up the middle positions is the best way to put together a winning team.
That’s been the basis for much of the Yankee’s success since the 1920′s.
Tom in N.J. August 17th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Anybody know anything about Christopher Tamarez?
He’s a 16 year old SS and the Yankees signed him today as a IFA…
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Via Ben Badler, the Yankees have signed 16-year-old Dominican shortstop Christopher Tamarez for $650,000. Ranked the 29th best prospect on the market by Baseball America, Tamarez stands 6-foot-1, 175 lbs., and is said to be one of the better athletes available this season with a chance to remain at shortstop long-term. A righthanded hitter, he projects to have average pop down the road.
Tamarez video.
http://www.baseballamerica.com.....s/?p=10060
SJ
And if that is Wally Matthews question to Girardi, then Girardi should say no comment and refuse to speak with the d – bag from now on.
Cabrera has been all over the ball tonight, Yanks have been fortunate with him.
The number of opposite field home runs Jesus Montero is going to be able to hit at Yankee stadium is going to be something.
it looks like Robertson has been getting some advice from Mo recently…
GB7
Clearly you need your eyes checked.
Andy needs to eat quite a few more burgers to look like CC.
That was 5 times as bad a pitch as the one that Chamberlain threw last night. That pitch last night was 6 inches off of the plate. This one was right down River Avenue.
Tampa now up 10-0 over Texas after Crawford hits 2-run homer
Cashmoney and Bronx Jeers- Thanks.
CB
Lets hope it’s for the Yankees not against.
SJ face it, you’re nothing more than a strident scaredy cat.
I’ll stop telling people how to think right after you stop pretending that you’re the final word in baseball. You were still sticking to your “bad boy Joba!” story after everyone else here and in the game said that wasn’t a bad pitch.
I call outcomes here right a heck of a lot more than you do and that’s because you can’t deal with the reality of the game’s ebb and flow and immediately jump on a struggling player’s case and pull out your grimp reaper sickle. Why just last night you were regaling everyone with your dire tales of how late it is in the season and how the Yankees were in trouble.
If people would rather think like you and panic and trash players who are less than perfect, rather than think like me and give players a chance and remember that the Yankees know how to play the game – witness tonight – well let them have at!
I’d say the bromide for your ilk is valium and zanax, instead of enjoying the game and letting it flow and letting others have that same enjoyment.
Thankfully, people like GB are not panic prone and there are others here who feel equally committed to knowing that the Yankees have what it takes to get things back, and that they will do it.
Anyone who says it’s okay for umpires to make bad calls is nothing more than a sellout. Some of us actually want things done right. Even “bad” teams have the right to have games called correctly. But an elitist like you wouldn’t have a clue about that.
good inning overall
“Wally Matthews first question to Girardi after the game”
Did you have a problem with A-Rod not hustling to the trainers room?
Nice inning by Robertson. I love how aggressive he is.
there have been 3 hitters that i never wanted to see bat against us b/c they always killed us:
griffy
edgar martinez
manny
i’m starting to get a similar feeling with cabrera…
The Yanks may have overbid for CC but he is worth every penny. He really battles and is OLD SCHOOL in his approach. He is just a horse. He is the most liked player in the clubhouse. A player that young guys like Hughes can look up to. Just a pleasure to watch perform.
“Cabrera has been all over the ball tonight, Yanks have been fortunate with him.”
They have. He is a great hitter. Just a great hitter.
He might now be the games second best pure hitter after Pujols.
He has no significant holes.
What a horrible trade for the Tigers. The two big prospects they got for him haven’t panned out.
MaineYankee August 17th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
GB7
Clearly you need your eyes checked.
Andy needs to eat quite a few more burgers to look like CC.
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Pettitte’s going to need about a herd of hamburgers.
Seriouly, though….Pettitte is one BIG guy. As is Hughes. Sabathia is monsterous.
MG-
That’s a very good stat. It is amazing that he’s not swinging and missing nearly as often. It’s not only a situation that when he makes contact he’s making better contact. He’s making contact more often and better quality contact.
Real good sign. That’s what hitters want to do. Hit is hard and hit it often.
Please don’t mention Edgar Martinez. I still have nightmares.
side note, mets put krod on the disqualified list for the rest of the season…the union will file a grievance…
@DJ
when Thome was with Cleveland , he killed us almost as much as manny, and later on big Papi.
I am sure if Pujols play us more , we will be saying that.
just terrific hitters in general.
GB7
I think standing beside either one would make me feel small.
MRI on A-Rod revealed a low grade strain
GB7-
I’ve said this before – CC is the best staring pitcher the yanks have had since Whitey. I’m talking about stuff, length, being in his prime, etc.
What are your thoughts now after seeing him these two seasons?
the hope is that we have our own terrific hitter in montero coming up…
Low grade strain in Alex’s calf.
things may be turning around, but the issues are still there. 11 Ks?
kay never had a banana? wth?
Erica in NY August 17th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
MRI on A-Rod revealed a low grade strain
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? meaning DL or day to day?
Rays killing Texas.
Gus,
Pick up a pair of poms poms and wave them.
Then shove them where the sun doesn’t shine.
Life without Burritos in no life at all…
DJ,
He deserves to be fired, might have been good at some point, but the guy is simply horrible personality wise, hard to cheer for a guy that should be in prison
“He might now be the games second best pure hitter after Pujols. ”
Probably so, certainly could make an argument for it. He does everything well as a hitter and covers the plate so well that he’s a nightmare to pitch to. If Montero becomes 80% the hitter Cabrera is then they really have something…..and Cabrera isn’t exactly a defensive dynamo either. When you hit like that it doesn’t really matter.
girardi can be vexing sometimes. no tests? alex had an mri. that’s not a test?
CB – you mean horrible trade for the Marlins. They got Andrew Miller and Cameron Maybin. Not that I follow the fish, but I’ve not heard that they gotten much from those two. And they were very highly touted by all the wizards. Shows yet again how difficult such prognosticating can be.
Rodriguez with a low grain calf strain. Have to believe that the heat of Texas and KC may have cause a little heat cramp and it tightened up. That explains somebody in the media whining about him busting it down the line.
They are going to need to be careful with Alex. That’s an injury that can get worst quickly with quick movements.
Erica
Where’s Uncle E?
Haven’t seen him here since he vacationed up here in July.
Tex is really struggling now. Obviously he was going to take some time off for his baby but he always says that he hates taking more than one day off because it completely kills his timing. Hopefully he finds it quickly because with Arod out they need him.
Melancon in the game for the Astros against the Mets
Gives up a game-tying HR to Wright. Then got a DP.
Keith Hernandez killing his arm action and secondary pitches lol
man…maybin i thought would be an absolute stud. but it’s crazy to think the marlins traded away a guy like cabrera who was under 25. that should not be allowed…
That would of been an unreal play. I hope he is ok.
Tex almost killed himself on that play.
Great effort.
No need for that play in this situation. The last thing this team can afford is any more injuries.
CB August 17th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
GB7-
I’ve said this before – CC is the best staring pitcher the yanks have had since Whitey. I’m talking about stuff, length, being in his prime, etc.
What are your thoughts now after seeing him these two seasons?
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Close but I’d say that Stottlemyre and Guidry did a great impression of a stuff guy that put up long innings after Ford and before Sabathia. Cone was very much in the same category as Pettitte/Sabathia from the right side. Loved to watch Cone invent in between pitches.
# Bronx Jeers August 17th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
Tamarez video.
http://www.baseballamerica.com…..s/?p=10060
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Only problem with Dominicans is that they’re almost all juiced. They all drink the D.R. “milkshake.” In parts of D. R. steroids are/were legal. Marichal in interview with Costas admitted same. Anyone think Pujols is legit ? Think again !
“Keith Hernandez killing his arm action and secondary pitches lol”
That was the thing with Melancon. His performance in the minors was terrific for the most part.
But he really did have horrible arm action. And when he came up to the bigs you could see that it was a big issue for him. That made it very tough to generalize his stats to the major league level.
hey…kay and i have something in common – went to the bronx high school of science…
# Eroc August 17th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Melancon in the game for the Astros against the Mets
Gives up a game-tying HR to Wright. Then got a DP.
Keith Hernandez killing his arm action and secondary pitches lol
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His era must be 8.00 by now !
So gusb is Tricia! Stop hiding, honey, speak with your own voice!
I wonder if any other team besides the Tigers asked about Cabrera when he was traded. I remember that trade was out of the blue and you didn’t hear anything about it before it happened. I know the Marlins wanted to get rid of Willis so it was a package deal but they got nothing for Cabrera. Andrew Miller always had really bad command and they definitely could of got much more from another team.
Good on our Yanks! Betsy got to see a very good game. And kind of lost in the game against Burlington was the masterpiece pitched by AJ.
We’re in better shape than we think!
gusb is not me. gusb is gusb.
# blake August 17th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Bold prediction:
I feel a victory tonight. 5-3 Yanks.
CC: 7 innings, 2 ER, 7 K’s.
So I short changed CC a little on the K’s and the Yanks a little on the score….still not bad
Great win….really needed this one and as so often is the case when a game is needed, the Big man steps up and gets the job done. Great team effort tonight and another positive step for Granderson as well.
“i’d say that Stottlemyre and Guidry did a great impression of a stuff guy that put up long innings after Ford and before Sabathia.”
I think what separates CC is how the length at which he has been and likely will be at his peak.
CC has been a dominant pitcher now since 2006 and shows absolutely no signs of letting up or breaking down.
You know what happened with Stottlemre. A shame but his shoulder was such a problem. Gator at his peak was obviously unbelievable – arguably better than CC – but Gator’s peak didn’t last very long given how old he was when he finally got into the rotation and when his stuff started to diminish.
CC is just the whole package.
Yeah I’m afraid to talk.
I’d rather see players make an all out effort to make a play than pull up short and get hurt. Trying to play safe gets players hurt when doing something that’s not natural for them. Trying to stop and twist a knee or ankle, pull a muscle.
Only problem with Dominicans is that they’re almost all juiced. They all drink the D.R. “milkshake.” In parts of D. R. steroids are/were legal. Marichal in interview with Costas admitted same. Anyone think Pujols is legit ? Think again !
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This is from RAB.
” This is the Yanks first significant international signing of the year, though the entire market is developing slowly. MLB’s age and identify verification process, as well as PED testing, is slowing things down.”
Juan Marichal is like 75 years old. He probably thought they were talking about mango juice or something.
Hope Yanks are sending Jane home by limo tonight.
Barring injury, CC should have a really good shot at 300 wins. I know there’s a long way to go before then but he projects as a guy that could do this for awhile.
Hope Week is so cool.
Bronx, is RAB considered to be some kind of credible or reliable vehicle for Yankee talk? Why do people quote them here?
HOPE week is great huh?
Juan Marichal bat incident was roid rage?
Born on January 16, 1980, Pujols was raised in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic by his grandmother. Pujols and his family immigrated to the United States from the Dominican Republic in 1996, first to New York City. In the U.S., Pujols displayed his hitting skill by batting over .500 in his first season at Fort Osage High School in Independence, Missouri, twice earning all-state honors. Pujols graduated from high school in December 1998. He attended Maple Woods Community College in the Kansas City area in spring of 1999. In his only college season, Pujols hit a grand slam and turned an unassisted triple play in his first game.[9] He batted .461 for the year.
That could have been some rotation with Hunter, Guidry, Figueroa and Stottlemyre together. He wasn’t very old. Not sure that with a torn rotator cuff even today that he could have come back. Hard to believe that with just 9 full seasons and 2 half seasons with those terrible teams that he still won over 160 games. He was a horse. and could he hit. Still the only pitcher to ever have a 5 for 5 night at the plate, and topped it by throwing a complete game shutout in that game.
GB7-
How would you rank the lefties that pitched for the Yankees after Ford and before CC.
Guidry, Pettitte,Key, Wells. Any other starters?
Only problem with Dominicans is that they’re almost all juiced. They all drink the D.R. “milkshake.” In parts of D. R. steroids are/were legal. Marichal in interview with Costas admitted same. Anyone think Pujols is legit ? Think again !
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when did you think Pujols start to juice, in independence MO when he was 16 or earlier when he is in San Domingo.
Mel Stottlemyre pitched 40 shutouts in his career?
Yankee Trader
Darrell May and Kei Igawa have to top the list!
Trader, I’ve got to go with Guidry after Ford. They’ve had so many great lefty starters in their history.
RAB is a very credible source for Yankee baseball news. Ad they are anxious to have you as an exclusive True Blue commenter! Go say hi, introduce yourself, ad jump right in! They will appreciate your commentary!
# Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Born on January 16, 1980, Pujols was raised in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic by his grandmother. Pujols and his family immigrated to the United States from the Dominican Republic in 1996, first to New York City. In the U.S., Pujols displayed his hitting skill by batting over .500 in his first season at Fort Osage High School in Independence, Missouri, twice earning all-state honors. Pujols graduated from high school in December 1998. He attended Maple Woods Community College in the Kansas City area in spring of 1999. In his only college season, Pujols hit a grand slam and turned an unassisted triple play in his first game.[9] He batted .461 for the year.
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So, that makes him clean ? He protests way too much when asked. Not saying at all that Dominicans are the only ones, just as many others from all groups.
It is really funny how so many people try to make an issue of Pujols and don’t even know he came to the U.S as a teenager and was never part of the baseball pipeline in the DR.
He was a completely unknown kid from Missouri who bashed the ball at ever level since he was in high school.
For a couple of years, one of the more overlooked lefty starters for NYYs was Rudy May.
CR9- LMAO. Now I’ll have nightmares.
“Still the only pitcher to ever have a 5 for 5 night at the plate, and topped it by throwing a complete game shutout in that game.”
Did not know Stottlemyre could hit. That’s quite a game.
Another parallel with CC.
I don’t really know Trisha but that’s not from somebody’s comment.
That’s from Mike Axisa, the guy who runs the site. He seems alright to me. I don’t think he would lie about MLB doing testing in DR.
This is from AP.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....lic-050710
If there’s indeed testing I don’t think these pro clubs are dropping big money without knowing their investment is clean.
Bronx, I just wondered because I’ve never gone to the site but notice that they are quoted here and sometimes even by the commentators (I think I’ve seen Chad refer to something they’ve said.)
I suspect that it’s fashionable now to refer to CC Sabathia as “An Ace” now ???? Granderson is going too be the ballplayer that some here imagined he would be
One of the reasons the IFA market is developing slowly is not only drug testing, which every kid has to take….they are also requiring extensive age verification.
If these kids can’t verify their ages in a way that satisfies MLB, teams aren’t signing them.
Juan Marichal bat incident was roid rage?
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Not exactly. More like a “sugar high”
Dominicans do love their azucar. Seriously.
So, that makes him clean ? He protests way too much when asked. Not saying at all that Dominicans are the only ones, just as many others from all groups.
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that’s kinda like of a ‘God’ question to answer , 57. so far as know , he is clean until proven otherwise. Is there possibility he is not ? sure never say never, but i would say that possibility is very very small. Base on your implication you seem to conclue there is good possibility that is case yet you have little or no evidence to support that your statement.
citing there is general problem of PEDs usage in DR and then citing Pujols is Dominican thus conclude that he might be on roids is a fallacy of logic in a pretty big way.
I can’t help you if you can’t see that.
so in many arenas you statement can be construe slander and baseless.
This is from RAB.
” This is the Yanks first significant international signing of the year, though the entire market is developing slowly. MLB’s age and identify verification process, as well as PED testing, is slowing things down.”
Juan Marichal is like 75 years old. He probably thought they were talking about mango juice or something.
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He also lives there and said it was a huge problem that they need to stop.
Pat M.-
What are your thoughts on the changes Kevin Long has made to Curtis’s swing.
They look very good to me. He’s loading his hands so much more efficiently and has cut out a ton of movement.
He has such fast hands.
CB August 17th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
“Still the only pitcher to ever have a 5 for 5 night at the plate, and topped it by throwing a complete game shutout in that game.”
Did not know Stottlemyre could hit. That’s quite a game.
Another parallel with CC.
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Not much that he couldn’t do. 7 career homers including an inside the park grand slam, great fielder. he is what helped keep Wang pitching so well. Same pitcher. Stottlemyre wasn’t a junk baller like people think. He threw 92-94 MPH sinkers. Not many rookies get 3 starts in the WS after being in the Majors only 7 weeks. His son Todd was a Hell of a pitcher, too.
Sugar, the Red Bull of the past.
Anybody remember Jolt Cola?
GB7- I forgot Tommy John.
pat,
As the Mets Turn.
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5471769
# Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
So, that makes him clean ? He protests way too much when asked. Not saying at all that Dominicans are the only ones, just as many others from all groups.
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that’s kinda like of a ‘God’ question to answer , 57. so far as know , he is clean until proven otherwise. Is there possibility he is not ? sure never say never, but i would say that possibility is very very small. Base on your implication you seem to conclue there is good possibility that is case yet you have little or no evidence to support that your statement.
citing there is general problem of PEDs usage in DR and then citing Pujols is Dominican thus conclude that he might be on roids is a fallacy of logic in a pretty big way.
I can’t help you if you can’t see that.
so in many arenas you statement can be construe slander and baseless.
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I pray that the world doping association gets their way and baseball adheres and we’ll see really the “spitting” on the game by so many ! Player’s union won’t even allow the other 100 on a list to be seen. Believe me, the game is a long way from clean. Better, yes !
I just use common sense ! ( a little unheard of these days )
57ryank August 17th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
This is from RAB.
” This is the Yanks first significant international signing of the year, though the entire market is developing slowly. MLB’s age and identify verification process, as well as PED testing, is slowing things down.”
Juan Marichal is like 75 years old. He probably thought they were talking about mango juice or something.
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He also lives there and said it was a huge problem that they need to stop.
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how does any of the above statement in any relationship to Albert Pujols who play baseball in HS in MO and was draft 5 years later by ST. or you just enjoy making blind accusations , Yanks 57. This type of generalization is no different than any other kind of biases such as racism and sexism.
Andrew Brackman had another terrific start. 5 4 3 0 2 6. He did have two wild pitches.
Gary Sanchez with another 2 for 4 day. He’s hitting .365 with a 1.050 OPS as a 17 year old in the the GCL.
Trader, I loved Tommy John. His father and my grandfather played in the same semi-pro/company leagues in and around Terre Haute, Indiana. They say he was quite a ball player. TJ was a hard thrower when he was with the Indians and White Sox. He was another inventor on the mound. Had to drive hitters crazy. Much like Jamie Moyer but better. Definately a HOFer as far as I’m concerned, along with Jim Kaat.
Does Bonds usage have to be proven to anyone ?
Good win. CC is just an animal.
I pray that the world doping association gets their way and baseball adheres and we’ll see really the “spitting” on the game by so many ! Player’s union won’t even allow the other 100 on a list to be seen. Believe me, the game is a long way from clean. Better, yes !
I just use common sense ! ( a little unheard of these days )
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so let me get this straight. The common sense goes like this , there is problem in DR with PED and Roid abuse among baseball players.
1. Pujols is dominican born and a current MLB players.
hence, There is greater probability that Pujols is the ‘juice’
That sounds like a lot of NONSENSE to me from an irrational human being.
Cashmoney
how does any of the above statement in any relationship to Albert Pujols who play baseball in HS in MO and was draft 5 years later by ST. or you just enjoy making blind accusations , Yanks 57. This type of generalization is no different than any other kind of biases such as racism and sexism.
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Think maybe he has visted his ol’ home a little ? ( during off season )
How did I know the race card was near ?
CB….His swing is short and very quick……Similar to what he did with Swisher, a more compact approach to the pitch….He biggest adjustment to Curtis was closing his stance….From now and down the stretch, Curtis Granderson is going to be a major problem for opposing pitchers and defenses…..
CB, Brackman acually relieved after Aceves’ started. Brackman had a great game and is really coming on fast. The control has been remarkable in comparison to his 1st half last year. Not sure what he learned pitching in relief, but, they need to bottle it.
Have you seen Sanchez’ power and run production standings? Missed 2 weeks and 2nd in homers (one off of the lead), leads in RBI, SLG, and 2nd ond OPS (just .0001 off of the lead) and 5th in doubles (3 off of the lead).
# Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
I pray that the world doping association gets their way and baseball adheres and we’ll see really the “spitting” on the game by so many ! Player’s union won’t even allow the other 100 on a list to be seen. Believe me, the game is a long way from clean. Better, yes !
I just use common sense ! ( a little unheard of these days )
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so let me get this straight. The common sense goes like this , there is problem in DR with PED and Roid abuse among baseball players.
1. Pujols is dominican born and a current MLB players.
hence, There is greater probability that Pujols is the ‘juice’
That sounds like a lot of NONSENSE to me from an irrational human being.
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Yeah, he just “happened” to come along in the middle of the roid era and do things no one else before has done.
Irrational, oh yeah !
57ryank August 17th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
Cashmoney
how does any of the above statement in any relationship to Albert Pujols who play baseball in HS in MO and was draft 5 years later by ST. or you just enjoy making blind accusations , Yanks 57. This type of generalization is no different than any other kind of biases such as racism and sexism.
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Think maybe he has visted his ol’ home a little ? ( during off season )
How did I know the race card was near ?
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other than blind conjectures and whole lot irrational deductions, you have anything concrete to present to your suppositions?
He also lives there and said it was a huge problem that they need to stop.
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I don’t doubt it.
But they’ve since instituted testing.
The kid the Yanks drafted is 6’1″ and 175 lbs. Basically he’s a 16 year old stringbean.
Well Mariano came along in the middle of the ‘roid era and has done things no one else has done. Does that mean he’s taking ‘roids?
Gotta feel good about Granderson starting to salvage part of his season. He’s a good guy and he’s proving he can be a very valuable player – just as we all pretty much knew. Now he’s showing the goods.
# Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
57ryank August 17th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
Cashmoney
how does any of the above statement in any relationship to Albert Pujols who play baseball in HS in MO and was draft 5 years later by ST. or you just enjoy making blind accusations , Yanks 57. This type of generalization is no different than any other kind of biases such as racism and sexism.
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Think maybe he has visted his ol’ home a little ? ( during off season )
How did I know the race card was near ?
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other than blind conjectures and whole lot irrational deductions, you have anything concrete to present to your suppositions?
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I’ll stay out on my limb and use logic and my brain. If you want “concrete” check with player’s union.
“None so blind as those who refuse to see.”
GTLU Hint…….
Ledger_Yankees Girardi says likely he’ll stick with this lineup so long as ARod is out.
That is why people judging the trade prematurely were foolish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TBusqMaCEM
Great Commercial by ESPN lol
Posada has got to run more. The last two games the Yankees have won, Posada has steals of 2nd base….both standing up.
# JM August 17th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Well Mariano came along in the middle of the ‘roid era and has done things no one else has done. Does that mean he’s taking ‘roids?
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Look at his body ! Never said everyone, and I guarantee you that pitchers were not helped like hitters are/were. Check era’s.
“Brackman acually relieved after Aceves’ started.”
GB7-
That’s right. Ace got his work in first.
Brackman has completely turned it around. Just remarkable to see.
I can’t remember a yankees prospect recently turning things around this dramatically.
Sanchez has been incredible. Despite missing time he has a real shot to win the GCL triple crown so to speak.
He shouldn’t be promoted – but he really is far too good for that competition and most of the kids are older than him.
He looks like a natural pure hitter. He is going to move fast. He’s going to do very well in Charleston next season.
Gonna throw gasoline on the fire.
Pujols went through the same physical changes that many of the ahem, better hitters of this generation have gone through. If you noticed, Albert has slimmed down a bit, too.
No proof, just an observation.
Pujols being on the juice would really be bad. But in reality I wouldn’t doubt it..
GB, back in March some old baseball lifer mentioned that Brackman was going to be a fast mover this season……Maybe the old timers do know what they’re tqalking about….
I’ll stay out on my limb and use logic and my brain. If you want “concrete” check with player’s union.
“None so blind as those who refuse to see
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you are an epic FAIL in logic , Yanks 57, but keep on use your brain , it is evident that there is so little in it .
so far, you have show zero concrete evidences to augment your suppositions and apparent enjoy cast stones at others base on false deductions and asinine conclusions.
m
NY writer said Mets will fight the union and he will never throw another pitch for them.
As I said before, if they were so unhappy about the domestic violence, they wouldn’t have let him come back after 2 days. They want to cut bait on a contract for financial reasons not moral ones.
Did Krod attack his father in law or was it a fight?
wallacematthews
Girardi said “no tests” for A-Rod before game. Last time I checked, MRI was a test.
The mets are just in desperate save money mode.
They have no interest in actually running a real organization.
It’s just a circus there. KRod has turned into the latest attraction.
# m August 17th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Gonna throw gasoline on the fire.
Pujols went through the same physical changes that many of the ahem, better hitters of this generation have gone through. If you noticed, Albert has slimmed down a bit, too.
No proof, just an observation.
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You are correct. Maybe that’s why his OPS is one of his worst this year.
Basically.
Swisher needs to take something to help him get up a little more. He’s so lathargic and depressed sounding.
“Still the only pitcher to ever have a 5 for 5 night at the plate, and topped it by throwing a complete game shutout in that game.”
gb7-
when stottlemyre was the yankee pitching coach and tony cloninger was his bullpen coach for all those years the yankees had an amazing hitting tandem in those two.
cloninger with the braves once pitched a complete game winning the game while hitting two grand slams and driving in another run with a single for a total of nine rbis.
Just got back from the game……..some observations:
I couldn’t believe it when AJax went deep. CC did NOT look good in the first; he was very lucky that Granderson made those two terrific plays – he was hit hard.
IMO Granderson was the star of the game because I feel that inning would have been worse without his plays and maybe the Yanks would have had a tough time with Verlander. As it was, they did a great job working Verlander – who threw a ton of pitches early.
Jeter’s hit was HUGE – I was so happy for him. Swisher nearly gave me a heart attack when he was hit on the ankle and lay on the ground for a few seconds………scary. That called 3rd strike on Tex did not look like a strike from where I sat (3d base side) and he was angry…………I was suprised and happy that he didn’t get thrown out.
The steak sandwich was fantastic – I ‘m addicted, but it’s too expensive to be addicting, lol.
I just heard about Alex and Andy on the ride home. This is very bad news about Andy – I don’t know when he’s coming back, but it’s not soon. This complicates the Phil Hughes situation. We’ve got some off days coming up next week or so, but how does he get skipped when we’ve already got struggling pitchers in our rotation? If you skip him too close to October, you run the risk of him being completely out of whack by the time the post season rolls around.
Bad news about Alex, too – I’m bummed.
Pujols OPS is near or at .1000… Some drop off lol.
# Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
I’ll stay out on my limb and use logic and my brain. If you want “concrete” check with player’s union.
“None so blind as those who refuse to see
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you are an epic FAIL in logic , Yanks 57, but keep on use your brain , it is evident that there is so little in it .
so far, you have show zero concrete evidences to augment your suppositions and apparent enjoy cast stones at others base on false deductions and asinine conclusions.
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R U trying to speak English ? Night !
Girardi said “no tests” for A-Rod before game. Last time I checked, MRI was a test.
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Tuesdays are two-for-one MRI’s at Columbia Presbyterian.
The Mets just signed their top draft pick for $2.5m so I guess they need Krod’s money to help pay for that. They are trying not to pay Krod anymore money this year but Minaya said that they would welcome him back next year. Yeah that makes sense, they are a joke.
Matches his lowest !
R U trying to speak English ? Night !
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Yes I am , R U speaking stupid?
Yankees have to just be patient with Andy. If he has to be out till September so be it. He is too important to the team. They will get by. AJ is pitching better. Hughes being skipped will become a problem but there is nothing that can be done. That is how it is done these days.
Betsy-
Those were 2 fantastic defensive plays by grandy in the first inning.
He had another really good night.
I’m glad I helped pull him out from under the bus.
Can’t wait to see the finished product.
Glad you got to see a win.
Pat M. August 17th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
GB, back in March some old baseball lifer mentioned that Brackman was going to be a fast mover this season……Maybe the old timers do know what they’re tqalking about….
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Pat, whatever he did, it was instant. He was walking nearly 7 a game to start last year and when he went to the pen, it dropped to less than 1 walk per 9 innings, and the strikeouts stayed the same. He scuffled early this year in Tampa and then really cranked it up. After the promotion to Trenton this summer, it took a couple of starts where he scuffled again, and then right back to abusing the hitters. This may be a trend with him after promotions, so if and when he gets to NY, I might consider using road games for his first starts. Those fans will be all over him if he starts badly. He could be really soming. He’s just huge standing out there. Imagine his fastball against Cabrera’s swing?
Pettitte’s setback all but guarantees the Yanks holding onto all three of the long men (Moseley, Mitre, and Gaudin).
It’s already Aug 18th tomorrow. Aceves won’t be activated until Sept 1st.
CB, I can’t wait to see Sanchez for the first time. he was hurt when I was in Tampa and went to watch the game. Can you imagine Sanchez and Montero in the same line-up in about 3-4 years?
How soon before Aceves comes to the rescue ???
Maine Yankee-
Sorry… I was cuddling on the couch with Yankee Snoopy
No clue where Uncle E is, but I sure miss him!
Jeers-
Do they give the free 32 oz. cokes along with that ?
Pat M.-
September 1.
Betsy – glad you had a good time. Maybe you’re a good luck charm!
Agreed, CC took a bit to get going, but when he did, wow. Granderson most definitely was a star tonight, between his ABs overrall, HR, and D in the first. Glad you liked your steak sandwich, that’s the first thing I had my first trip to the new place, and while pricey, it is good.
From what I’ve read about Brackman, wouldn’t be surprised to see him considered for the NY bullpen in 2011, maybe mid-season, if there’s a need.
As a New Yorker, I am embarrassed by the Mets. They clearly are not adding payroll, and will cut next year. Given all their un-movable contracts, I wouldn’t be surprised if they trade David Wright (manageable contract, young player with talent) for minor league prospects, and someone who can 3B for the minimum. If that happens, you know the bankers are calling the shots.
MTU, I was reading some book in between innings and pitches and my father’s clients were very puzzled about it, lol. My word, it was hot and humid tonight
I saw earlier that Phil will not be skipped for awhile………….well, ok, but if he’s skipped closer to October they are asking for trouble.
This rotation is down to CC………….
Thanks MTU……If healthy, he’ll play a big role down the stretch & then October
Randy,
Cloninger was another pitcher, that as you said could mash a baseball. He and Stottlemyer could have been hitting instructors. They could kill you on the mound or at the plate. Four other pitchers that I saw that could really hit were Gibson, Spahn, Drysdale and Earl Wilson. All here legitamate power threats.
Joe, the last few games I’ve been to were losses; tonight the Yankees looked good offensively……………I was babbling on at one point and one of my father’s clients told me jokingly that I was so negative and that they’d have to find a way to turn me around.
My father and I couldn’t believe Cano’s HR was Sterling’s turning point of the game. IMO, it was the 1st inning or perhaps Jeter’s hit………….
Ledger_Yankees Cashman says the Yankees aren’t looking to make any waiver trades: “This is the team we’ve got.”
Ledger_Yankees Cashman also Ivan Nova as an option to help the rotation if needed.
Ledger_Yankees Also from Cashman: Hughes IP limit applies only to regular season. In playoffs, it’s “all hands on deck.” Hughes a candidate to start.
Ledger_Yankees From Cashman, it sounds like Aceves will make at least one more rehab appearance.
Well, Betsy, for a crappy rotation – they’ve done just fine. It’s still a strength for this team even without Pettitte.
They haven’t really been firing on all cylinders at the same time, but they’ve all done the job.
Joe, I’m all for breaking in pitchers out of the bullpen if there isn’t a dying need for them in the rotation. I wish Mariano Rivera needed the money and stayed on as the Yankees pitching coach or at least bullpen coach.
Time to turn in. Good night, fellow Yankee fans.
GB7-
Monter is montero. He’s as good a pure hitting prospect as has been in the minors over the past 5 years. You really probably need to go back to Miguel Cabrera to find that kind of hitting talent at that age.
Sanchez – I thought he’d be real good but this is ridiculous. It’s unbelievable. He’s been better than Montero was in the GCL.
Sanchez would have likely done very well at Charleston this season. That’s just nuts.
Some guys just have the uncanny ability to square up a round ball with a round bat.
Both Montero and Sanchez have that feeling.
And with the big league club aging it’s very fortunate they have those two in the system. They both have a shot to be elite hitters. And those are just so hard to find. Guys who aren’t just all stars – but perhaps even go past that.
Another broken rib for Ellsbury.
His season appears officially over.
http://sports.espn.go.com/bost.....id=5472158
Betsy-
Well most people don’t read the dictionary. Maybe that surprised them, or maybe they were just simply frightened that you would punish them with your word power.
Don’t worry about Phil. The Yanks will figure it out.
As long as everyone is on board for the stretch run we’ll be fine.
We can muddle through for a while longer.
CC is a Clydesdale. He ought to work for Budweiser in his spare time.:)
See you in the morning.
GF, I guess you’re being sarcastic. Sorry – I only trust CC; what can I say?
CAsh saying Phil has no innings limits in the post-season is no surprise, but he’s going to be appraching those limits soon enough. Skipping him right before the post-season? I guess so…………..risky, but what choice do they have?
BOSTON — Tests administered in Los Angeles on Tuesday show that Jacoby Ellsbury has another fractured rib, according to an industry source who also said the Red Sox outfielder “probably” will miss the rest of the season.
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That’s just my guesstimate. And you are 100% right about AA’s value to the team. He’s a winner.
MTU, I’m not worried about Hughes at all – I stopped worrying a long time ago. I’m thinking about this from the Yankees point of view – and only their point of view.
“I’m all for breaking in pitchers out of the bullpen if there isn’t a dying need for them in the rotation. ”
Just a guess, but I think the yankees are going to go the Phil Hughes route to the rotation from here on out unless the kid is just phenomenal and has a complete repertoire.
Brackman will likely be brought up via the pen I think at the major league level. I think they’ll do that with most of the kids.
# MTU August 17th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Jeers-
Do they give the free 32 oz. cokes along with that ?
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I don’t know about that but that hospital is in Washington Heights. Big Dominican presence up there. You could probably find yourself a very energizing milkshake.
And not to harp on this subject….but does this guy look totally jacked on juice or what?
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/mul.....pujols.jpg
MTU, it was some cheesy book I took from my office kitchen, lol. It’s by RL Stine, the guy that wrote the Goosebumps books for teens. I’m embarrassed to say that I got caught up in the time travel/killer of teens story and I borrowed it, lol
“Another broken rib for Ellsbury.
His season appears officially over.”
Really amazing how much ridiculous nonsense Ellsbury has taken from that fickly boston fanbase.
Many did they ever turn on him essentially saying he was jaking the injury.
And a certain boston beat reporter doesn’t look real good either right now.
Betsy,
No, I wasn’t being sarcastic. The rotation has been a strength for this team all year. Moseley has done an admirable job for Pettitte but he’s still not Pettitte.
You always seem to find something to voice a negative slant with this team and I don’t have a clue why.
They’re not the ’27 Yankees but they’re not the ’62 Mets either.
Ok, but I hope the Yankees aren’t expecting all their kids to be as successful as Hughes was out of the pen.
Also, shouldn’t these kids have a decent repertoire by the time they get called up?
The Yankees may not have all of the “superstars” of the Boston and Tampa rotations, but, if you look, you’ll see that only 2 teams in the AL have allowed fewer runs than the Yankees and only 7 teams in the ML. That’s not too bad for a mediocre pitching staff.
GF, I haven’t liked the rotation in a while; it’s just my opinion.
If Andy doesn’t make it back…………well, I don’t even want to think about it.
# CB August 17th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
Really amazing how much ridiculous nonsense Ellsbury has taken from that fickly boston fanbase.
Many did they ever turn on him essentially saying he was jaking the injury.
And a certain boston beat reporter doesn’t look real good either right now.
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Hmmm. Who might that be?
The same beat writer who took more cheap shots at A-Rod after taking a screaming line drive off his shin?
Sigh. Don’t get me started on PA. I didn’t have much use for him when he was here, so I sure as hell don’t now.
Jeers-
Albert is a big strong Man. That is for sure.
Haven’t had a milkshake in years. Of course, that’s what they all say.
Have a good night.
Good night Yankee people!
CB, watching sanchez next year will, or should be a repeat of watching Montero, and Joe Riley Stadium is no easy park for power hitters, nor is most of the other Sally League parks. Not sure whether Sanchez is a pull hitter or somebody like Montero, but, so far, even in that tough Florida air, he seems to make parks look small.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.2221258
It wasn’t always like this, of course. Whatever happened to the deep Yankees rotation that dominated the American League in April and May and looked built for the postseason, anyway? A few months later a lot has changed.
A.J. Burnett appears to be as unpredictable as ever, appearing to be just as capable of throwing a one-hitter as he is of getting knocked out in the second inning. Javier Vazquez is struggling to adjust to life without his fastball consistently hitting 90 mph. And Phil Hughes has a 5.20 ERA in his last 12 starts.
With less than six weeks remaining on the regular-season schedule, CC Sabathia represents the only sure thing in the rotation. He continued his march toward 20 wins last night by limiting the Tigers to only two runs and five hits in seven innings in the Yankees’ 6-2 win.
But come October, someone is going to have to pitch the games after Sabathia. And the longer Pettitte remains on the disabled list, the murkier this question gets.
Don’t forget the primary reason the Yankees marched through the postseason last year was because they had three very effective starters that they rode.
The challenge these next six weeks – beyond solidifying another postseason berth, of course – is turning a capable rotation that’s basically been treading water this summer back into the made-for-postseason version from earlier this season. But the schedule doesn’t exactly work in their favor, either.
Love the idea of using young minor league studs to fill out the early parts of the bullpen to get them started. Hopefully Rivera stays around to pitch until he reaches Satchel Paige territory. The first 5 million dollar pitching coach.
“And a certain boston beat reporter doesn?t look real good either right now.”
I’ve come to the conclusion that some writers are much better suited to write Top 10 Lists and monologs for Letterman than they are to write about sports.
Lots of sizzle, litle substance.
Actually I was trying to illustrate how Pujols doesn’t appear to be a guy that spends a lot of time working out.
In the batting cage? Most definitely.
In the weight room? I don’t really think so.
Rudy May? 28-27 career with the Yankees. Had one good year in 1980, after that all down hill.
All’s well in Yankeeville. Doomsday put off one more day.
# CB August 17th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
GB7-
I’ve said this before – CC is the best staring pitcher the yanks have had since Whitey. I’m talking about stuff, length, being in his prime, etc.
What are your thoughts now after seeing him these two seasons?
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I’m not old enough to remember Whitey, born in 70′s, but Gator for my money is still #1. CC is certainly making his case and hopefully will surpass him, but 25-3, a WS and a CY are pretty damn impressive.
Betsy,
You do realize who comprised the Yankee rotation at this time last year don’t you?
Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte, Joba, and Gaudin/Mitre
GB, why is putting a young pitcher in the pen a good idea? I don’t really see the benefits.
GF, I’m not comparing it to last year…………..I’m simply saying that there is only one pitcher in this rotation that I trust and that is CC.
Jeers-
I saw a TV special on Pujols once and he does spend a lot of time working out with weights. His legs look like tree stumps.
GB-
Cone was a big advocate of breaking in young pitchers via the BP.
Rudy May in 1974, ’75 and ’80 was pretty damned good. he was damned good as a spot starter and long relief man in 1982. 54-46 with a 3.12 ERA as a Yankee. Perhaps you should check your facts again.
http://www.baseball-reference......ru01.shtml
Betsy -
What’s so bad about our pitching? Pitchers gave up 1 run Sunday, and 3 runs yesterday. The Yankees offense should win games for pitchers that give up that few runs. Pitching has been the strong point, the offense has been the weaker link, although not weak in comparision to the rest of the league.
“but, so far, even in that tough Florida air, he seems to make parks look small.”
GB7-
That’s the thing. How often do you see kids have seasons like this in the GCL? It really doesn’t happen. It’s just so tough down there in terms of the air conditions.
And he’s doing this at 17?
Don’t think he has Montero’s raw power (I just don’t see how he could given how big and strong montero is). But he really must be able to drive the ball.
Big AL, who do you trust after CC?
# Betsy August 17th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
GF, I’m not comparing it to last year…………..I’m simply saying that there is only one pitcher in this rotation that I trust and that is CC.
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That’s not exactly a surprise.
For whatever reason, the one rotation you do love (RSN) hasn’t been nearly as consistent as the Yankee rotation.
Mike-
Guidry’s 1978 year was probably better than any year CC will ever have.
But Gator just didn’t sustain his peak very long. That’s the thing with him.
This is always a hard thing when comparing players. Do you compare them at their peaks or over a longer period of time.
I think CC has that great combination of great peak performance and sustainability. And at least to me that what I mean by best pitcher the club has had since Whitey. Not just one season but an extended peak of elite performance like Whitey put up.
Rudy May as Yankee is what FACT I was referring too. May was 152-156 lifetime pitcher, and again only had one good year as a Yankee. That is fact, you look it up!
Betsy,
Thanks for you game recap – agree that Grandy (and CC settling down) was the difference in the game.
Think you were sitting near the left field side – what were you yelling at Gardner.
Even you have to admit he had a nice game from the lead off spot (two hits, two runs, sacrifice); he has 10 hits in his last 20 at bats.
Anyway, the Yanks, Rays and Sox drag race for the two spots will be “exciting”, maybe not fun to watch, but “exciting”
Betsy August 17th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
GB, why is putting a young pitcher in the pen a good idea? I don’t really see the benefits
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Because they don’t get thrown to the wolves and have to start their careers as a guy that has to carry a bigger load than they can deal with. There are exceptions, but, it also gives them a chance to work on other pitches in the pen. another thing…if the kids are good, you aren’t paying for 4-6 mil a year for guys like Farnsworth or even marte. You get them for $400,000. More money left over for a big armed starter or big bat and bench help.
GF, Javy is not good. AJ is completely unreliable. Phil has an over 5 ERA in his last 12 starts and a 4.81 ERA since the break. I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree………..and as to the Sox, Lester and Buchholz are tremendous. You make it sound like thinking they are good is some sort of weird thing.
Betsy,
I have a number of big issues with that article.
Phil Hughes would have been the second best pitcher on the Yankees last year. Period. I don’t care that he’s young, inexperienced, or any other excuse that I’ve heard time and time again. His numbers to date are much better than Burnett and Pettitte’s were last year.
Two, people act as if Burnett was considered a “rock” going into last year’s postseason. He had a bad, bad August last year, and had a string of good, albeit short, starts going into October. He had never pitched in the postseason and the majority of talk surrounding him was all about how he was a tremendous “question mark”- hardly a rock that they believed they could ride to the World Series.
Now while Pettitte returning is absolutely imperative, I wouldn’t rule out the Yankees being able to go all the way with a CC/Hughes/AJ alignment. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that, but I’d still go to battle with those three.
Missed May’s stint in 1975, 14-12. So he was 42-39 as a Yankee.
Go Yanks, the only thing I said about Gardner was “holy cow” when he hit that blooper and went to 2nd without taking a deep breath. Thanks to that hit and Jeter’s single, we got some breathing room.
Yes, I was sitting in the level about Field Level on the 3rd base side- fantastic seats. One of the head honchos at my office was at the game tonight as well – in a suite, lol
I saw a TV special on Pujols once and he does spend a lot of time working out with weights. His legs look like tree stumps.
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Well than that would probably confirm he’s clean.
It’s just that when I see those arms, I don’t see “home-run king”
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t’ see “tax attorney” either.
Probably something in the middle. Maybe “bus driver”?
# Cashmoney August 17th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
R U trying to speak English ? Night !
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Yes I am , R U speaking stupid?
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Try harder please ! Your not succeeding as we “speak.”
GB, that makes sense…………but I don’t see how they’d work on other pitches in the pen. I think Phil has real issues with his curve because he didn’t throw it in the pen. It seems to me the pen stunts the development of pitchers as what relievers throw more than 2 pitches?
GC, he’s talking about this year, though…………….all the stuff he said about the rotation is true.
You and I disagree about Phil, so I don’t want to argue about that. Who thinks of AJ as being a rock going into the post-season last year? It was CC and Andy…………..and after that, hope AJ would hold up. I’m not saying last year’s rotation was great……….I don’t even care about last year’s rotation, just this years.
BIG AL August 17th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
Rudy May as Yankee is what FACT I was referring too. May was 152-156 lifetime pitcher, and again only had one good year as a Yankee. That is fact, you look it up!
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I don’t care what he did with other teams. During his 7 years with the Yankees Rudy may was a fine pitcher until his last season when he pitched hurt and retired.
The Yankees starting rotation’s era is 3.94. That’s 4th best in the AL.
All season long we’ve been hearing about how the rotation was some weakness – particularly in the media.
And it’s been great all season.
Not sure what more you can trust than a 3.94 ERA over 740 innings pitched.
It’s sad that some don’t remember Guideys ’78 season. Youngins read a book or two.
# Bronx Jeers August 17th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
# MTU August 17th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Jeers-
Do they give the free 32 oz. cokes along with that ?
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I don’t know about that but that hospital is in Washington Heights. Big Dominican presence up there. You could probably find yourself a very energizing milkshake.
And not to harp on this subject….but does this guy look totally jacked on juice or what?
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/mul…..pujols.jpg
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One way to find out is see if his hat size has increased. Bonds hat size went way up as told by clubhouse people. Forget exact number, but it was a large increase. And his shoe size went nuts also. No test for HGH, what’s to stop them ? And they are inventing new “masks” for steroids all the time. Many of them will pay dearly as they age after baseball.
BIG AL August 17th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
Missed May’s stint in 1975, 14-12. So he was 42-39 as a Yankee.
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You missed more than that. You missed his half seasons in 1974 and 1976. He was 54-46. his only bad season was his last when he was pitching with a torn rotator cuff.
True CB, Gator was more like a comet because he couldn’t sustain that long, however we’re assuming health/longevity with CC. I’m not saying I expect him to break down, Gator was a pretty small guy relatively speaking while CC’s a beast, but you can’t assume that with pitchers, even as big as the big guy is.
Just saying I would like to see CC have that WOW year (who’s to say he can’t go 22-3 with a 2.7 one of these seasons?) or at least sustain it for another few years. If he anchors the staff on a multi-winning WS squad than he really starts making his case. Right now 1 WS isn’t enough for him to leapfrog Gator IMO. Not saying I don’t expect more because i fully do…it’s one of those things that will be fun to watch, that’s for sure.
Betsy,
Yeah, Lester and Buchholz have been great but what else? Those guys only pitch 2 of every 5 games.
Beckett has not only been hurt but he’s been just as unreliable as Burnett. His ERA is over 6.00. Lackey is nothing special. Dice-K is as unreliable as it gets.
Vazquez was great for 2 1/2 months and needs a rest. Hard to do that though w/ Pettitte still out.
Hughes has been just fine over his last five starts:
28.2 IP, 29 H, 12 ER, 6 BB, 17 K – 3.77 ERA
Moseley has done fine.
I know we disagree about Phil, haha, but I still can’t quite figure out why.
The guy has, from start to finish, been the second best pitcher on this team all year. He’s been remarkably durable, taking the ball for all of his starts, and in all but a very small handful of starts has kept the team very much in the game. He hasn’t pitched less than 5 innings in a single start all year. He’s given up 3 runs or less in 5 of his past 6 starts. You give Buchholz a lot of credit, and deservedly so, but he isn’t better than Phil. People interpret ERA much too literally in the context of a single season. Phil strikes out more batters and walks less batters. Clay is a bit better at keeping the ball on the ground, which has also contributed to the difference in ERA.
Last year in October, Phil was tired. This year, he’ll be ready for primetime. And they’re going to need him to be.
CB, that ERA is due to CC and Andy. The other starters have ERAs as follows: Hughes 3.94, Javy 4.89 and AJ 4.66…………
I guess each of us has his or her own standards as to what’s good and what’s not, who’s trustworthy or who’s not.
Betsy August 18th, 2010 at 12:02 am
GB, that makes sense…………but I don’t see how they’d work on other pitches in the pen. I think Phil has real issues with his curve because he didn’t throw it in the pen. It seems to me the pen stunts the development of pitchers as what relievers throw more than 2 pitches?
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Two examples. Guidry learned to throw the slider in a 10 minute session in the bullpen working with Sparky Lyle. Rivera learned his cutter working in the pen. He taught it to Pettitte.
Our pitching hasn’t been the problem lately.
GB,
I remember Rudy May. As a Yankee, he wasn’t so hot. He was better when he pitched for the O’s if I am not mistaken. I know he was elsewhere, but I am not sure where.
“Just saying I would like to see CC have that WOW year (who’s to say he can’t go 22-3 with a 2.7 one of these seasons?) or at least sustain it for another few years.”
He may have had his true wow year the season before he got to the yanks. He was unbelievable in 2008 though of course he did it for another team.
CC’s been a dominant role since 2006. Guidry’s main run was from 1977-1983, with the short year in 81.
So it’s real close between them. At this point in time the nod definitely could go to guidry. I guess I’m projecting CC to sustain this peak for longer than Guidry did and to go on and have a more dominant career but those are major assumptions.
CC is just such a horse out there and he really knows how to pitch so even as he ages I think he’ll be able to sustain what he’s doing as a Pettite type pitcher.
GC, lol – we disagree because we disagree. I don’t think Phil has pitched well in months; his ERA is 4.81 since the break and over 5 in his last 12 starts. I remember when his ERA started climbing and I predicted he’d have an ERA closer to Price’s 4.40 of last year than his 3. whatever at the time I made the prediction. People laughed at me and said in order for him to do that he’d have to pitch to a 5 ERA for the rest of the year. Well he’s not there yet, but he’s not far off.
He has been durable, I’ll give him that – and that’s good news in terms of the fact that perhaps there was a fear he was injury prone after 2007 and 2008. However, I see a kid who has lost his swing and miss stuff, who’s velocity/stuff isn’t so special (Phil the Thrill constantly said it would get better when the weather warmed up – what happened?) and whos K rate has diminished rapidly for over a month. You know as well as I do that he has issues with his secondary pitches. I don’t see how he sniffs Buchholz as a pitcher, but that’s ok for now – he’s a year and a half younger.
I’m not saying the guy is a bum, but I need to see a lot more before I think he’s a future ace…….. This isn’t easy for me to say because I think the world of Phil personally.
CB talks about young pitchers not being polished. Then how to account for Cahill and Latos, who are 2 years younger than Phil is?
This is not something I spend any time worrying about – it is what it is.
Guidry was hardly a comet. He began 1977 sitting in the bullpen until May. He won 16 games (and would have had 20 if Martin hadn’t been an idiot). In 1979, he spent 3 weeks as the closer and long relief because Gossage got hurt in a fight with Cliff Johnson. He was well on his way to 20 wins. He was on his way again in 1981 until the strike. he was hurt the next season and came back to win over 20. He had a bad year and came back the next year to win 20 again. That’s when he started having elbow problems. He was 35 by then.
Comets don’t compile 170-91 records with nearly 1800 strikeouts in 12 years. That’s almost Koufax numbers. 5 more wins in fewer starts and 4 more losses.
GF, you’re right about Beckett, Lackey and Dice-K………but I envy the top of their rotation, I admit it.
Moseley has been fine – nothing wrong with him.
Javy – he can’t pitch against good teams.
Phil: already said my piece (and that 6 BB/17 K rate isn’t very good, nor are the hits to innings pitched). Over the past few starts, he’s been fine..nothing special.
AJ: Love the guy personally, but every batter for him is an opportunity to implode. Just when you think he might be getting it together, bam – he melts down.
I mean at this point, I’m almost more worried about the injuries than the rotation…….except what’s the point in worrying? It is what it is………….
Rudy May did a good job for Yanks overall, but didn’t really come close to Guidry. And Ford was a master. Highest era was barely over 3.00.
GB, I didn’t know that about Gator…………….
Loved Guidry…sort of like Erica’s pretend love affairs. He was so good and you could count on him for the most part. The Yankees pitching wasn’t all that terrific for many years. There was no Andy Pettitte who pitched for 15 years on basically the same team since Whitey Ford. Stottlemyre was another favorite.
Put Phil Hughes in Mat Latos’s division and dream. That division is an absolute joke. The Padres would far and away be the fourth worst team in this division. And Cahill is so far over his head right now that its funny. Just by eyeballing it and not even bothering going to fangraphs I’m going to guess that his BABIP is around .220. He can’t sniff Phil’s jockstrap.
Again, you rag on Phil for not having swing and miss stuff. Buchholz misses NO bats. You rag on Phil for his velocity. He throws HARDER than Buchholz. I’m not picking on you, but you are picking on a kid who is 14-5 with a 3.94 ERA in the American League East.
You realize Betsy that Andy Pettitte hasn’t had many better seasons in his entire career than Phil Hughes is having right now.
Oh, and Hughes’s strikeout rate is the best on the Yankees, better than Sabathia’s. You can’t really say that he’s “lost his swing and miss stuff.” He was missing bats at a ridiculous rate earlier in the year and has regressed to his mean.
SAS,
You’re a ‘stache woman? Eww.
Happy birthday, Jorge!
I wasn’t comparing Rudy may to Ford, Guidry or anybody else. What I said was for the short time he was with the Yankees, and considering that he was both a starter and reliever, he was a damned fine pitcher.
“that ERA is due to CC and Andy. The other starters have ERAs as follows: Hughes 3.94, Javy 4.89 and AJ 4.66…………”
That’s irrelevant. The fact is as a staff they have the fourth best ERA in baseball and during that exact same time all we’ve heard is that they have problems in the rotation. It’s not supported by facts.
I don’t get why it’s such a big deal for the Sox to have two dependable pitchers in Buchholz and Lester and three mediocre to bad ones (and beckett and lackey have been bad) but the yanks rotation isn’t trustworthy because they have CC, Andy and Hughes with two wildly erratic starters.
You are selling Hughes really short because you are picking a convenient selective end point that makes his ERA worse than it really is. If you think he’s not “trustworthy” when he’s pitched so well then you’re level of expectation is unreasonably high. It’s unfortunate because you’re missing the pleasure of watching a young pitcher have an absolutely marvelous season. You can’t just throw out the beginning of his season. It doesn’t work that way.
Go talk to Red Sox fans and see if they think either beckett or lackey are pitches they “trust.” They’ve killed those two all season.
Hughes is much better right now than either of those two and Dice-K.
Tampa has huge problems in their rotation as Davis and Niemann are having shoulder problems so I don’t see how tampa has a staff full of trustworthy starters either.
Yankees team era – 3.94
Red Sox team era – 4.06
And that’s a major reason why the yanks are 6 games in front. And the boston rotation hasn’t suffered more injuries than the yankees rotation has.
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“CB talks about young pitchers not being polished. Then how to account for Cahill and Latos, who are 2 years younger than Phil is?”
Are they pitching in the AL East? Are they pitching in two of the most pitcher friendly ball parks in baseball.
Or better yet did either of them miss two full years with injury and then only come back via the bull pen? Is it either Cahill or Latos’ first full year in a rotation in three years?
Maybe that’s part of why Hughes’ fastball lacks life at time now?
Back in spring you used to bring this up over and over. Can’t expect too much from Phil because he lost two years of development time and was only in the pen last year. Now you’ve set as some kind of arbitrary standard two guys who haven’t encountered either of those barriers. Two guys who pitch in towns where expectations are amazingly low and haven’t heard for two years how they are “busts.”
Every young pitcher develops along his own trajectory.
But as you said to each his own I guess. But then if that’s the criteria there’s no real reason to even discuss the game because everything is contingent on every individuals subjective interpretation. I could say Pujols stinks and is untrustworthy and that’s as equally valid as saying he’s an elite ball player. Everyone has different standards.
GC, Phil does not come close to throwing as hard as Buchholz (not that that matters, but it’s true. Buchholz’ avg FB is 93.9 and Phil’s is, I think, 92.3).
So basically you’re saying every pitcher with better #s than Phil has those #s because of luck?
As to his swing and miss stuff, if this is his mean and what we can expect from him, then you can not say that he’s got real swing and miss stuff because he’s not getting those swings and misses.
That’s fine if you want to compare him to Andy and if he has a tenth of Andy’s career he’ll be successful, but keep in mind that Andy was never viewed as an ace and you’re talking like Phil is going to be one of the best pitchers in
baseball. Andy was never viewed that way….
CB, you’re right – you can’t throw those early starts out, but those were 6 starts and they were a long time ago.
Am I missing out ? Maybe and if that’s the case, then it’s my problem. However, how is he trustworthy based on 6 starts from April through mid-May? CC is reliable because you knwo what you’re going to get from him; Phil? I’ve no idea -especially in the post-season.
That’s true about Latos and Cahill not pitching in the AL East and not pitching in bandboxes. I also recognize that Phil missed a lot of developmental time thanks to those injuries and being in the pen – I absolutely agree with you there. The point is, though, at 22 they are pretty polished pitchers. I guess we’d have to compare Phil at 22 to these guys – and at 22 he was hurt. I will bow to you on this because these are all very good points.
Besty, I believe the Hughes we saw for the first half or so is the real Hughes. I think what you are seeing now is probably tired Hughes. Remeber that he’s young and not yet fully mature as a pitcher.
If anyone deserves criticism, it’s AJ. He’s being paid like a #2, he needs to pitch like a #2, consistently.