Game 123: Yankees vs. Mariners
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Gameday Thread on Aug 21, 2010 
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YANKEES (75-47)
Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Robinson Cano 2B
Marcus Thames DH
Jorge Posada C
Austin Kearns LF
Curtis Granderson CF
Eduardo Nunez 3B
RHP Javier Vazquez (9-9, 4.89)
Vazquez vs. Mariners
MARINERS (49-73)
Ichiro Suzuki RF
Chone Figgins 2B
Russell Branyan DH
Jose Lopez 3B
Franklin Gutierrez CF
Casey Kotchman 1B
Josh Bard C
Michael Saunders LF
Josh Wilson SS
LHP Jason Vargas (9-5, 3.15)
Vargas vs. Yankees
TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m. / YES Network
UMPIRES: HP Brian Knight, 1B Sam Holbrook, 2B Gerry Davis, 3B Greg Gibson
WEATHER: Low 80s. Hardly any chance of rain. Little bit of a breeze blowing in.
LEFT ON LEFT: Robinson Cano hits lefties. We already know that. Against this particular lefty, Jason Vargas, he’s a career .714 hitter (5-for-7) with two doubles and no strikeouts. The guy he’s replacing in the clean-up spot, Alex Rodriguez, is 0-for-4 with two walks and a K against Vargas.
SPEAKING OF LEFTIES: The Yankees are 12-5 in this past 17 games against left-handed starters. Before this stretch, they were 12-12 against lefties.
ON TIME: The Yankees-Red Sox game on Saturday, Sept. 25 at Yankee Stadium, has been picked up by FOX and will begin at 4:10 p.m.
UPDATE, 1:12 p.m.: Vazquez’s third pitch of the game is the 36th lead-off home run of Ichiro’s career.
UPDATE, 1:14 p.m.: Whoa. Branyan just went into the upper deck with his third home run in two days. I honestly can’t believe how far he hit it. Television had the Vazquez fastball at 86 mph. The stadium gun has him ranging between 84 and 88.
UPDATE, 1:28 p.m.: Robinson Cano picks up Vazquez with a two-run single in the bottom of the first. The game’s tied at 2.
UPDATE, 1:32 p.m.: Jorge Posada’s 14th home run of the season is a two-run shot to left, and it’s enough for 4-2 Yankees lead. Still in the first inning.
UPDATE, 1:41 p.m.: After a fairly routine fly ball round a hole for a two-base hit to start the second inning, Vazquez got out of it with three straight outs, one of them on a terrific play by Teixeira at first.
UPDATE, 1:45 p.m.: Thought Nunez had his first big league hit for sure. Nice play by Wilson to take it away.
UPDATE, 1:50 p.m.: Ichiro’s second swing is his second home run of the game. He has just five homers all year.
UPDATE, 2:00 p.m.: With two outs in the third, four straight Seattle batters have reached base. Chad Gaudin is getting loose in the bullpen. The game is tied at 4.
UPDATE, 2:10 p.m.: That’s it for Vazquez. A lead-off infield single is enough to chase him from the game in the fourth inning. Gaudin is now pitching.
UPDATE, 2:45 p.m.: Terrific job by Gaudin. He’s pitched three scoreless innings, allowing just one hit. He’s carried the game into the seventh inning. If this is as far as he goes, he’s certainly done his job. The rest of the bullpen should be able to handle it from here.
UPDATE, 2:57 p.m.: Boone Logan is in for Gaudin to begin the seventh. Really nice job by Gaudin. He’s one of the reasons the Yankees don’t need to rush Alfredo Aceves back into the mix. With Gaudin and Mitre pitching well, the Yankees don’t absolutely have to have another multi-inning reliever.
UPDATE, 3:11 p.m.: The entire Yankees bench came to the front of the dugout to cheer Eduardo Nunez’s first big league hit. It was an important one, a single through the right side of the infield that scored Austin Kearns from third base and put the Yankees in front 5-4.
UPDATE, 3:19 p.m.: And there’s an RBI single by the Captain. That makes it 6-4 with Logan in line for the win.
UPDATE, 3:24 p.m.: Teixeira’s sac fly makes it 7-4 before the end of the inning. Ramiro Pena is in for Nunez to play third base. Brett Gardner is in for Kearns to play left. Swisher is staying in the game in right. Jeter is staying in the game at short. Dave Robertson is pitching.
UPDATE, 3:35 p.m.: Girardi’s not messing around here. He’s bringing Rivera in with two outs and two on in the eighth. Robertson pitched well. He struck out two, but a hit batter and a bloop single put him in a little bit of trouble.
UPDATE, 3:51 p.m.: Casey Kotchman was just charged with an error, his first since 2008. It snapped the longest error-less streak of all time at first base. The Yankees are now in front 9-4.
Hmm, my birthday is on the 24th…………..glad that game won’t be on Fox.
Happy Birthday in advance Betsy.
Javier Vazquez pitching line today: 7 IP 1 R in a W
Ms are a light-hitting team. Vazquez should do well against them.
CR, thanks!
Silly question, but if I want to tweet someone, do I have to createe my own twitter account or do I go to that person’s twitter page and comment there?
“Try winning a game without runs and RBI,….”
They’ve tried 47 times this year already.
Javy needs to have a good game. Can’t lose again today to a weak team.
Betsy
Have to create your own account or use someone’s acount who already has one.
Pat, I have created my own account, but I don’t know how to tweet someone.
Let’s say I wanted to tweet Joel Sherman (I do not, lol). would I just type his twitter address into the box at the top and then type my message? Thanks!
A very happy birthday to you, Betsy. Give the jerks Hell today
Betsy
You must create your own twitter account. Then click reply on the tweet of the person you want to tweet and type what you have to type, or…
start your tweet with @buster_espn – for example, if you wanted to tweet Buster Olney, and type what you want.
I’d think by now that Lohud would alrady know that I’m a male , know when I was born & have my zipcode on record by now…….Lot’s of moving billboards here lately…..All that’s missing is the commercials during innings……..Alex is a vital clog to the club’s fortunes in 2010,,,,,,,,Javy, no
Nice start Javy.
Really think if Ichiro played for Us or the Sox, he would hit .375 and steal 70 bases. He is amazing, but seems to love having a spotlight on him.
CR, ok I did that………I clicked on the name and it put @_______in the reply box. I’m going to try sending it now.
Thanks a lot, both CR and Pat!
Pat M
Alex is a “vital clog” LOL! Im not being the grammar police, I just think that’s funny.
It’s “vital cog”
Jose Molina is a “clog” LOL!
Betsy
You would Type @ before the persons Twitter name- @LoHudYankees would be how you would send a tweet to Chad for example.
GB, my birthday is in a month, but thanks – and I will always give them hell, lol! How are you feeling – and how are the wonder twins today?
Impressive and sad at the same time.
why would you throw a bp fastball.
put on him the dl and call up nova.
he toast
oh my god. there goes my prediction. Did anyone hear this sick loser Michael Kay.
He just yelled as loud as he could. What a dirtbag. I dont mind Branyan that much; Itchy-ro is a different story.
Pat, thanks! I’m going to send it now and hopefully my ? will show up on that guy’s twitter page.
The bullpen could get severly tested today unless Javy settles in.
Branyan is the first to hit the Mohegan and the upper deck?
Javy. When I said I was looking forward to seeing you pitch, I did NOT want to see a fireworks show.
This is ridiculous. We make these guys look like the ’27 Yanks every time we play them.
Holy Sheet.
Javy showing big time moxy to begin the game.
NOT
sigh
He is pitching like a rookie not a big time veteran, just stupid, you throw a cookie like that on 3-1, unbelievable.
Oh boy…………the Yankees just can’t get the Mariners out.
Kay needs to calm down. You’re not the Mariners announcer. Tone it done a bit.
Michael Kay cant wait to hear the reading on how far our guy, Javy, was just crushed and obliterated.
He doesnt care how this bodes for Javier or his confidence or his next 3 months.
Mariners had our number last season, too. Sadly.
nice I just turn the game on and we are down by 2 runs
Sigh.
This guy is friggin’ terrible. There’s really no other way to put it. I really don’t know how much longer they can stick with this goon.
I don’t know how the Yankees can keep sending this guy out there…………
*down*
When guys can’t locate their pitches, even the Mariners can hit them.
A.J and Vazquez are real problems right now.
Can’t even get out of the first inning……………….
Wow- that ball from Vasquez was a meatball and Branyon just murdered it.
This past offseason wasn’t one of Cashman’s best.
Rconn, yep – and with Andy down and Phil’s innings limits, can they take Javy out of the rotation? I don’t think so, yet they might need to. He’s brutal. Poor Yanks are already in a hole offensively
He just put Branyan and Mickey Mantle in the same sentence.
That’s the biggest insult – as a Yankees announcer – that could ever be spoken.
You know what the commentators of another team would say if a Yankee hit that HR there:
“It doesn’t matter how far that ball went, it only counts as 1 run”
Basically, they’d be talking about the benefit for their team.
Luckily, we are only down 2 runs right now.
Luckily, one of A.J. or Burnett them won’t be starting in the postseason.
It’s a race to see who stinks less right now. Should be a competitive battle.
Branyan’s contract- $5M mutual option for 2011.
Might he be interested in $6M to wear pinstripes next year?
Unluckily……….one of them will.
At least it was a solo shot(s).
Let’s go, bats.
The Javy experiment just hasn’t worked out. Time to move on. The doubters were right.
that could have gone better
This isn’t on Javy. This is on Michael Kay for being a perpetual loser!
Okay, the fireworks are over, let’s get to work my Yankees.
Time for a DL stint for Javy. I don’t care what they make up, and I’m tired of listening to people say we can’t have Ivan Nova making a couple of starts down the stretch. We can’t have Javy making these starts either.
$27 million for 2 gopher ball pitchers??? Wow!! Vazquez & Burnett. Do we really need innings eaters that badly?
pat, the Yankees may want to wait and see if Javy ends up in the AL East.
From this point forward, every batter he faces in this game is staying with him too long.
Get him out of the game, go to Mitre, and make it a bullpen game.
Call up Nova and put him in the rotation and tell Javy bye bye. Put him on the DL and move on.
You can’t use this guy anymore because he’s incapable of getting outs and giving you a chance.
Its tough enough with Moseley and AJ in the rotation. At least they don’t have dead arms.
The guy’s arm and head are done. Just have to move on.
Its also the 9th time in the last 10 games the starters have given up at least 2 runs in the first inning.
Can’t keep doing that and expect a struggling offense without Arod to win games.
This is embarrassing.. If Vazquez makes his next start the Yanks are a joke. He has a dead arm and is throwing absolute batting practice. They need somone to give them a chance to win. AJ and Vazquez back to back in the rotation is absolutely brutal.
Who here still thinks Javy or JV, as he should be called ,will be on the post season roster?
Can’t wait for Nova in Sept. to take his spot.
JV has become a liability.
Wait, so we’re now complaining that Michael Kay got too excited about an opposing player’s Home Run? And it will affect Vasquez’s confidence? ARE YOU SERIOUS ? That HR was kinda historic, so there is reason to get somewhat excited.
Do you need you fragile ego stroked that you can’t bear hearing ANYTHING positive about your competitor ?!?!?!
No MLB player should give a rats patoot what a commentator says, just go out there and perform.
As someone who has the MLB Extra Innings package I don’t get the YES broadcast every game, and ALMOST ever other team’s announcers are the biggest “homers” in the world, it’s downright sickening. It’s like a dagger in their heart when the Yankees do anything to there team.
I totally appreciate and respect that ALL the YES commentators are as fair as you can be when it comes to calling a game. It’s what makes them the best in the biz.
the New Jersey LLWS team will hit a few homeruns of Javy with the way he has been pitching..
CR9………That was Mantle like……There’s a few folks here will agree that’s how the Mick hit them, they came down wet and high into the 3rd deck…..Remember, when they remodeled the Stadium, they added 12 rows to the over hang……..That was like the shot Mantle hit off of Barney Schultz in his walkoff in the 64 WS…….What I just watched is memorable
Another GUTLESS Loser on the mound.25 home runs given up. I said from Day One we won’t win with this stiff. Every start is 2004 all over again.
Get some more guys up from the minors…Nova, Laird, Montero…..we could be 4 games back by Sept. 1…….DL AROD, let him rest……why is Cashman afraid to make some moves…I know, I know, we are in first but I know what I see….except for Sabathia, not good starting pitching and an offense that struggles against quality pitching and unknown pitching and some old, beat up players who will be dragging by October, basically a first round playoff exit……….and I like Kearns but Branyan is the guy we should have got from Cleveland in June but Cashman waited too long and the Indians traded him to Seattle……question for anyone….as long as you are on the 40 man roster you are eligible for the playoffs right??….like Montero, if he comes up in September and does great, can he be on the playoff roster???…..or does he have to be on the active 25 man roster by August 31??? I seem to remember that the speedy player, I forget his name that was added last year to the playoffs/World Series roster was not on the active 25 man on August 31 but I’m not sure….
That was like the shot Mantle hit off of Barney Schultz in his walkoff in the 64 WS…….What I just watched is memorable
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As the genius fans chanted Throw it Back.
d@mm, of course is caught
Nova was going to be called up in September, per Cash. I will repost the NY Post article………….I don’t think he’s going to come up now; the Yankees don’t think there is anything wrong with Javy.
Branyon’s home run was more impressive but in many ways Ichiro’s home run was more concerning.
Ichiro doesn’t hit many home runs due to his swing plane. But if he wanted to hit for more power he could.
And at times, he’ll change his swing to try to jerk a pitch out of the park. Usually he does it when he’s guessing (as he did with Mo last season).
Ichiro geared up for that pitch from Javy without any concern that Javy could throw him a quality strike with his fastball given the count was 2-0.
But here’s the really bad part of it. Ichiro was geared up to yank a fastball. Javy threw what looked like a change up.
Despite being geared up to jack the ball and getting an off speed pitch, Ichiro wasn’t out in front.
And that tells you how little separation Javy has on his fastball and change up now and how little hitters think that Javy can get a fastball by them. They are able to wait and stay back even when they are looking fastball and trying to jack one out of the park.
Tex trying his best to tie the game. But will have to settle for a basehit. Good job. Just need a basehit here, Robi.
Michael Kay doesn’t throw the ball.
Unfortunately, Javy does.
That’s the problem.
Vazquez is pitching very much like Mike Mussina in 2007. The difference is that Mussina made huge adjustments before 2008 and had a great final year. I doubt that Vazquez is capable of those changes and it’s embarrassing to watch him out there on the mound. It’s time to take him out of the rotation, we all know that, let’s see what Girardi does.
javy lol
Pat M
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but one absolute Branyan bomb does not make it right or accurate that Kay used his name in the same sentence as Mickey Mantle. It won’t be memorable to me; if we win this game, that will be all forgotten.
good job Robbie
CB, The last part of your last post says it all……Great observation
Vargas is not Felix.
HooHa!
TIE GAME! CANO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why don’t you yell over that Kay! An absolute MOONSHOT!!!!!!
That hit by Cano counted for more than Branyans 2,000 foot home run!
Let’s go , win this one for JV.
robbie is awesome.
today going to be a shoot out
ROBBIE! It’s good to see the Yankees at least hitting
Nice hitting by Cano. Too bad Vazquez has an 8 era in the inning after the Yanks score a run.
The Yankees say they don’t think anything is wrong with Stiff to cover-up Cashman’s bonehead trade.how fast does he give Seattle the lead again? We WILL NOT win it all if we are going to count on Tin Man and JV Boy.
Just turned on the game. Why does it seem like Branyan always homers against the Yanks?
And nice job by Robbie there. Let’s keep it going.
Maybe he meant it brought back memories?
“I totally appreciate and respect that ALL the YES commentators are as fair as you can be when it comes to calling a game. It’s what makes them the best in the biz.”
Some babies on this blog can’t stand anyone not a Yankee getting props.
I asked it last night but it bears repeating. Vs this lineup y would u ever pitch to ichiro or branyan?? Makes no sense
A Jorge blast right here?
Pat M. August 21st, 2010 at 1:22 pm
CR9………That was Mantle like……There’s a few folks here will agree that’s how the Mick hit them, they came down wet and high into the 3rd deck…..Remember, when they remodeled the Stadium, they added 12 rows to the over hang……..That was like the shot Mantle hit off of Barney Schultz in his walkoff in the 64 WS…….What I just watched is memorable
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Pat M, you’re right, it was very much like the Mick in the ’64 WS. I was at the Stadium on Memorial Day, 1956, when Mick hit one off the facade, that was a laser line drive that was still rising when it hit.
CR9…..I respect your opinion…..For me though, that was an incredible & impressive launch…..
The Yankees have tied it.
Now, you have to get the human HR machine out of this game so you have a chance.
Plans change Betsy.
They may have wanted to wait until September to call up Nova but, that may be too late.
They can’t keep running a guy out there who has no chance.
Hopefully, they realize that after another non-performance.
Here’s the stuff about Nova:
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....OfQesjO7WO
In addition, the Post has learned that the Yankees plan to promote Ivan Nova to make at least one or two starts in September as a way to give increased rest to the rotation. Nova, 23, is the Yankees’ top pitching prospect at Triple-A.
BOX SCORE
DRAFT REVIEW
Nova has nearly identical stats (12-3, 2.86 ERA) at Triple-A as those of Jeremy Hellickson (12-3, 2.45). However, Tampa Bay’s Hellickson is viewed as a top-of-the-rotation prospect by scouts and Nova is more of a back-end guy. But Nova is going to end up with a job much like that of Hellickson, who also is a 23-year-old righty.
Hellickson initially was promoted in early August to provide rest to a Tampa Bay rotation that was the only one in the majors that had used only its original five members. Since then, Wade Davis and Jeff Niemann have had to go on the disabled list, and Hellickson has been incredibly valuable. He is 3-0 with a 2.05 ERA, after giving up three runs and seven hits in 6 1/3 innings last night in Oakland, getting a no decision. The Yankees hope Nova does not have the same prominent job. Instead, they hope he could spot start a time or two as a way to give extra rest to rotation mainstays CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, Javier Vazquez and Phil Hughes and — just as vital — help limit Hughes’ overall innings. Hughes has pitched 140 2/3 innings. The team has not announced the righty’s regular-season innings cap, but it is believed to be about 170-175 innings.
Pettitte has not pitched since July 18. He had hoped to be back about now, but he has endured a few setbacks along the way. That has raised concerns about his viability for returning at any point this year because he is 38 and time is running out on the schedule. But Cashman projected optimism that Pettitte will heal in time to return to the rotation.
For now, though, Cashman expressed enthusiasm for the way Dustin Moseley has filled in for Pettitte. The righty is 3-2 with a 4.97 ERA in five starts, and while the numbers are not overwhelming, Cashman said Moseley is doing enough to allow the Yankees a chance to win his starts while providing cover for Pettitte to rehabilitate his groin.
Hip Hip……
A little Javy-proofing early is always good.
Go Posada!!!! Yanks have their hitting shoes on today and they will need them.
POSADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pat M
I agree, it was an incredible, incredible shot.
SJ, I agree with you…………let’s hope the Yankees do. It’s sort of a sad situation – Javy wasn’t a great pitcher, but he was good/very good one and it’s hard to see him struggle like this.
Guys from the minors are going to help dig us out of a 4 game hole? Wowza.
Way to go, Jorge. Show the guys from the minors how it’s done.
Nice job Jorge,
Every single one of this guy pitches have been sitting in the middle of the plate, that looked like a hanging changeup.
Show some guts now Javy.
No matter what a hole their pitchers put them in Yankee hitters NEVER give up.
Oh, geez. I hope that woman’s okay.
Good to see the Yanks didn’t lose any steam coming off of facing Felix.
I thought Phil gave up a lot of HRs, but Javy -wow.
The Branyan HR is the longest HR hit at the new stadium.
It was definitely Mantle-like.
I hope Girardi has the good sense not to waste much more time with Vazquez.
He’s not a guy you give a lot of rope to……..unless you like hanging yourself.
this ump has a big strike zone, if Vazquez can stop putting every fastball right down the middle maybe he can last 5-6 innings. If not, as SJ said, get him out and turn it over to the ‘pen.
Branyan- 10 HRs against Yankees in 135 plate appearances. Less than it seems.
JV’s next turn is 8/27 vs the white sox and it can be skipped with the off day.
8/31 could be his last start.
One more start this month/year?
MG……Glad you’re here to share those Mantle impressions…As a kid, I used to sit up in the upper deck in right with my mitt and a shopping bag during BP……Mantle’s shots literally disappeared into the sky and then some 10 seconds later they sailed into the upper rows upstairs……..Think Roy Hobbs in the Natural……Only The Mick was the real deal………..Yanks win this came going away
I guess we didn’t have to see Felix enough yesterday. Mr. John J. Philipelli has to continue showing him further today.
Astonishing, the greatest jobs in America, covering the New York Yankees, are wasted on Philipelli and Kay!
Let’s see how many runs Vazquez gives back this inning
I don’t know if it’s a matter of guts; Javy may be physically incapable of getting outs. Without a day off, we’re looking at killing the pen today……….fortunately CC is going tomorrow. Poor CC – we can’t ever take him out of a game early because most of the time he’s pitching to save the pen.
Something tells me this is going to be a high scoring game. I just hope Javy can settle down.
Kay with the prescient “Today’s a JV game”.
Let’s go, Javy.
Hopefully Girardi doesn’t wait too long to take Vazquez out of the game. Obviously he doesn’t want to abuse the bullpen but when a dreadful lineup is hitting every ball that hard you know he has nothing. With AJ, Vazquez and Moseley in the rotation they need 5 long men on the team.
Shut Down Inning, PLEASE!!!!!!
Despite all of the time he’s missed, Posada is now tied for the second most home runs hit by a catcher in the AL this season.
Javy needs to shut the Mariners down or be taken out of the game. Can’t keep going on like this.
0 and 2 terriable pitch, but could been caught
Some communication there would of been nice. Once again that pitch was right there to hit….
First guess and not a second guess……
A mistake staying with Vazquez.
I say as he is giving up another leadoff extra base hit.
Got to get him out of the game Joe. He can’t get anybody out.
Javy throws pus, what is GI Joe talking about?
“Despite all of the time he’s missed, Posada is now tied for the second most home runs hit by a catcher in the AL this season.”
If this guy is not in the Hall of Fame in 15 years, while Jim Rice is, it will once again exemplify why it’s really just the Hall of Shame.
Great defensive play Teixeira!
JV is basically a mop up man for himself at this point.
what a play by tex.
get mitre in the game
as sj said.
ANOTHER Laser. God Bless Tex.
nice offense. But, will Javy give back right away?
How far was Branyan’s HR?
I don’t think the balls can be hit any harder than they are being hit.
Great play
Pat M. August 21st, 2010 at 1:34 pm
MG……Glad you’re here to share those Mantle impressions…As a kid, I used to sit up in the upper deck in right with my mitt and a shopping bag during BP……Mantle’s shots literally disappeared into the sky and then some 10 seconds later they sailed into the upper rows upstairs……..Think Roy Hobbs in the Natural……Only The Mick was the real deal………..Yanks win this came going away
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Pat, it’s tough for anyone who never saw the Mick in his prime to really understand how hard he hit the ball-without ‘roids or any weights (just lots of liquor). I remember a couple of shots into the old centerfield bleachers beyond the monuments, they must have been 500 feet plus. The other one he almost hit out of the Stadium (against Bill Fischer (?) was more like the Schultz HR, just a high, huge drive that was coming down when it hit the facade.
Big K
I guess what, go with Mitre/Gaudin?
I can’t believe I forgot to add Vasquez’s name to list of gutless pitchers that have soiled the Yankee brand over the last 10 years
wow, people are talking about getting rid of Javy after the 1st inning.
job well done.
Even the outs are loud.
Tough to watch.
Every hitter coming up has no worry facing Vazquez because they know he has no fastball.
Pat, there is a book done years ago called “Explosion” that was a chronicle of all of Mantle’s homers. Mick would have been proud of that blast. In the book, it said that he hit 5 blasts off of the facade, but, only two ever get talked about. The ’63 blast off of Bill Fischer and one off of Camilo Pascal. He also hit another one in that series off of Pedro Ramos.
It mention one that hit just under the roof in left field, too. There were also at least 6 that hit the back wall of the upper deck on the fly. He was the best ever at long ball cannonading.
Here comes the nibbling to the #9 batter hitting .257.
JAVIER!
This is why I don’t like to watch starts by Burnett and Javy. Because I know they will implode on the mound.
much better inning for Vazquez, only one player was almost killed by a line drive lol
JobaTipsHisCap,
Vasquez has a great year right? You have confidence when he takes the mound? Another guy who comes to the Yanks and doesn’t give a you no what. Gutless. Dude should be booed every single time he takes the mound
wait to replace Javy in the next inning when he gives up a single, or the 4th?
I know the NL is a weaker league, but I am amazed at Javy’s drop off. From a great last year to a bad year now. Don’t know if his lost velocity is the only reason, but he has lost a lot.
Nice to face that bottom of the order when you’re struggling.
To call Vazquez gutless is sickening.
The guy is going out there with 87 mph slop. A year ago today, he was going out there every 5th day with 93mph.
It’s just bad luck that he no longer has the velocity of a year ago.
SJ, I think Giradi has to ride with Javy as long as he can this game…….Hopes for not too bumpy a ride today with him …….
That’s why I don’t think the Yankees can offer this guy arb. No team, not even an NL team, is going to give Javy a decent contract; he doesn’t even look like he can pitch. Frankly, every inning he’s out there is an inning where you have to hold your breath. He’s getting smoked by a bad offensive team.
In this case, it’s not a guts issue.
He has a dead arm.
He could have all the guts in the world.
It’s not going to make an 84 MPH fastball with no movement, 89-91 with movement.
Some guys can pitch thru it and get outs.
Javy can’t.
No sense forcing it.
Just move on.
Nice inning by the Yankees. We’re heading out of here in about 20 minutes.
Good for Vazquez. The first hit should have/could have been caught; nice play by Tex and then he shut them down.
Javy may be working on depleted “stuff,” but I really disagree with anyone who says he has no heart or guts. Now, that doesn’t guarantee he’ll continue to shut them down; more likely he won’t.
At this point, with Pettitte still out, I am joining the ranks of those who say how much worse could Nova be? If AJ was dependable on a consistent basis, you could deal with Javy a little better. But it’s gettin’ late early, as they say, and September is both right around the corner and far enough away…
curtis hit that ball hard
# Triple Short of a Cycle August 21st, 2010 at 1:41 pm
JobaTipsHisCap,
Vasquez has a great year right? You have confidence when he takes the mound? Another guy who comes to the Yanks and doesn’t give a you no what. Gutless. Dude should be booed every single time he takes the mound
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I don’t have confidence on this guy. But for a regular season game, I won’t give up on him after only 1 inning.
“it’s tough for anyone who never saw the Mick in his prime to really understand how hard he hit the ball-without ‘roids or any weights (just lots of liquor).”
I think one of the most informative things about what Mantle’s power must have been like for those of us who didn’t see him was actually his speed.
For him to still have the fastest recorded time down to first base after all of these years during which baseball players have grown so much more athletic is really amazing.
It’s hard to believe Mantle could get down the line faster than Ichiro or Crawford.
But that speed just tells you how much fast twitch muscle fiber Mantle must have been born with. To run that explosively, especially for a man that large, really requires explosive muscle action.
And it was probably that same explosive muscle fiber that generated the crazy bat speed needed to hit that ball that far.
SJ,
For someone who is generally so level headed and pragmatic, the way you jump on Vazquez is really stunning.
If it was any other pitcher who gave up those runs and any other poster who made a comment to the effect that you did, I’m almost certain you would counter with something to the degree of “its the first inning, the children are out, pitcher x could still go out and pitch 6 innings of 2 run ball.”
Ooh, he tried really hard to run that out. I thought it would go in the hole. Darn!
javy going threw the samething mussina when threw in 07.
adjusted to loss of velocity.
darn sea defense
Nice hustle by Grandy and Nunez.
Very disappointing to see Javy pitching like he has recently, but it looks like all of those 200-inning season have finally taken their toll. Javy is of little use right now, and without an extended rest I’m afraid that won’t change. Javy’s had three distinct phases this season. From 4/9 to 5/1 he had 23IP with a an ERA just under 10 and an OPS vs. of over 1.000. From 5/12 to 7/10 he had a 2.75 era and an OPS vs. of .569. From that point until his last start his ERA was 6.2 and his OPS vs. was .993.
I wanted to give Javy a second chance but the guy is a choke artist. And Burnett is weak mentally.
Has he had a dead arm all year? He just completely lost it – for whatever reason. I agree, though – this isn’t about guts. I’m not sure even going well I would trust him in a big spot, but these struggles are simply about Javy’s physical ability to throw the ball……
Pat M,
To me, that’s a risky proposition.
Especially with the top of the order coming up.
If his arm wasn’t dead, I’d be more patient.
However, a guy with a dead arm can’t be out there, IMO.
It’s not fair to him and it’s not fair to the team.
was Mike Mussina ‘gutless’ in 2007 when he was hit all over the ball yard throwing nothing but junk up there?
was Catfish Hunter ‘gutless’ his last year in the bigs when he was hit harder than Vazquez is this year?
Vazquez just has nothing, that’s got nothing to do with his ‘guts’
3 well hit grounders and nothing to show for it
Betsy, guts might be a strong word, but if he is injured, he should not be keeping quiet, he said that was the mistake he made the last time.
I think he has a dead arm, or his mechanics are off, but either way, he is not making adjustments that a veteran pitcher should be able to make, and that’s what is so disappointing.
Nice defense by the Mariners took 2 hits away, but they are all over this guy, he is not hitting his spots at all.
MG……Someone needs to wake up GB, He has a few years on us, so he has some Mantle stories, especially at Detroit’s Briggs ( Tiger Stadium )……I saw Mantle hit one over The centerfield wall ( 467 ) over the 30 foot batters eye some 505 feet away…It was Mel Stott’s first game, August 1964….I thought it would never come down…..Much further than Reggie’s 77 WS black seat dinger…….
That’s fine to DL Javy and bring up Nova, but what happens if he’s bad? Then what would the Yankees do? I’m not saying this is a reason not to bring Nova up, but they’d have to have a plan. Keep in mind the Yankees schedule gets very tough soon – and even if that wasn’t the case, who knows how Nova would do? If he fails, who would our other options be?
CB August 21st, 2010 at 1:45 pm
“it’s tough for anyone who never saw the Mick in his prime to really understand how hard he hit the ball-without ‘roids or any weights (just lots of liquor).”
I think one of the most informative things about what Mantle’s power must have been like for those of us who didn’t see him was actually his speed.
For him to still have the fastest recorded time down to first base after all of these years during which baseball players have grown so much more athletic is really amazing.
It’s hard to believe Mantle could get down the line faster than Ichiro or Crawford.
But that speed just tells you how much fast twitch muscle fiber Mantle must have been born with. To run that explosively, especially for a man that large, really requires explosive muscle action.
And it was probably that same explosive muscle fiber that generated the crazy bat speed needed to hit that ball that far.
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CB, believe it or not, on the day in 1956 when Mick hit it off the facade off Pedro Ramos, he beat out a drag bunt earlier in the game. My dad took home movies of the game and somewhere in my junk is a very scratchy VCR tape with both the bunt and the HR swing.
Wow Javy. Wow.
you can’t keep throwing he out to be killed.
Javy is a launching pad.
Nunez has some quick hands in the field and at bat. This is the most games that he’s ever played in a season, but, he’s fun to watch. His defense is what has really improved over the past year and people are going to love watching him over the years.
Jason, I don’t know that he’s injured. It’s the Yankees fault if they think he’s got a dead arm or whatever and they keep sending him out there, not Javy’s.
I hate this guy. hate this guy.
oh damn, did I put my trust on the wrong person?
Ichiro knows he can get HRs off Javy. Simple as that.
They can’t keep this up this game. Can’t.
Still think so MG?
The guy has nothing. You can’t keep him out there.
At this point, it’s just HR Derby.
Should have been out 7 hitters ago.
SJ, You called it….Really can’t wait much longer …….Unless Joe thinks the Bombers will outslug The Mariners……..Saturday beer league softball today
He almost looks like he’s hesitating right before he throws the ball……………what are the Yankees waiting for?
This is Pathetic watching this GUTLESS STIFF on the mound.
Ichiro did it again. Ichiro is a smart hitter. He see a wounded bird out there on the mound.
Once again Ichiro completely changed his swing to that swing he uses when he’s trying to hit a home run.
It’s a completely different swing then the usual, short, direct swing he uses to hit the ball up the middle and the other way.
But he doesn’t think Javy can throw the ball by him so he’s trying to jerk the ball out of the park and gearing himself up to do it.
Those are very telling home runs. They show what one of the smartest hitters in baseball is thinking when he see Javy pitch.
Ozzie called Javy out and he didn’t even try to refute the claims that he made. His stuff has gone down this year but the guy is soft. In every big spot in his career he has failed.
My gut is still that he gets through 6-7 innings and allows 3-4 runs.
His stuff doesn’t look terrible today. He missed, BADLY, with his location on three pitches. The Mariners are putting good swings on the ball. Somehow this staff has a way of making these guys look a hell of a lot better than they are.
“believe it or not, on the day in 1956 when Mick hit it off the facade off Pedro Ramos, he beat out a drag bunt earlier in the game. ”
Never knew that or hear about the bunt. Really amazing.
Why the heck should Javy answer a jackass like Ozzie? Who cares what Ozzie thinks?
The only gutless stiff out there is the guy that will not hit versus the Red Sox in a couple days. He wont get runs in from 3rd when the bases loaded are with nobody out. He wont care enough to.
Betsy pitchers throw with dead arms, they all get it, the point is, he should be able to make adjustments, and he is not.
Here is one thing the team might be thinking of, and that is stretching out Ace, I would think not, but they really don’t need him in the bullpen with how well everyone is throwing, and with him in the minors, they could attempt to get him two more outings, and stretch him out to 60 and then 80 pitches.
Javy has a lot of innings thrown on that right arm. There comes a time when it just won’t produce. He is a guy that never says no when you ask him to take the ball. He is a journeyman at this stage, not an ace, this is what you get.
SJ, I said if he could get his fastball off the middle of the plate he could possibly last 5-6 innings, he’s still throwing them right in the wheelhouse. Girardi is really stubborn, he doesn’t even have anyone warming up so we’re stuck with him until the Yankees are behind or it gets to the 5th or 6th inning.
I’m not sure I buy this ‘dead arm’ theory, what does that have to do with location?
The guy has a dead arm, no fastball, and no ability to navigate thru lineups.
At this point, it’s not his fault.
It’s the Yankees for running a guy out there with limited stuff.
It’s BP out there against the worst offense in baseball.
I don’t know how much they have to see to get him out of the game.
Get Vazquez on the DL and be quick about it.
At the same time, outright release Nick Johnson to create the 40-man roster move for Ivan Nova ………. NOW, not in September.
Mantle’s clocked times during his first 3 years down the line in a game were from 3.1 to 3.3 seconds. even in his last years, he was as fast as anybody in baseball with the possible exception of willie davis. His problem wasn’t running…it was stopping. He had to run about 100 feet past first and coast to a stop.
Once more. Stop pitching to ichiro!!!!!!!!!
CR9
Instead of hating on him you should be hating on Javy. He is the one serving up the homeruns.
He needs to be our long man. This is so sad, but he’s cooked.
Rotation after this start: CC Hughes Mosely AJ Nova
Long man: Javy
DFA Gaudin
Does anyone trust Javy in October, no matter if he turns it around in Sept. or not?
Soft, Fragile and many more adjectives I can’t use. Bottomline is that he did NOT belong or deserve to be back on this team. And that is all on Cash-Man.
People forgetting Javy was at one time the Yankees second best pitcher for more than a month. The guys stuff has fallen of the cliff, and he is struggling but to call him gutless is pathetic.
sea hitters are finders holes , nyy not.
but they are well hit
Girardi what are you waiting for?
How much longer do you wait?
At this point, it’s becoming ridiculous.
“His stuff doesn’t look terrible today. He missed, BADLY, with his location on three pitches. ”
His stuff is absolutely horrendous today. It’s awful. Separating location and stuff in this context is deceiving.
Javy is missing in location because he’s “pushing” the ball to the plate again and his shoulder keeps dropping as he gets under the ball. That’s the same root cause of his absent velocity.
Javy is out there completely on guile and smoak and mirrors.
Every out he gets is literally on guile at this point.
The homerun swings that ichiro is taking tells you all you need to know about what the opposing team thinks of Vazquez’s fastball. Ichiro is going up there with the same approach as he does during batting practice.
Jeremy
I refuse to hate on a guy who’s out there trying his hardest. This is on Itchy-ro, who will be struck out on 3 pitches by Scott Atchison, and already has been once this season.
tie game and giradri not doing his job
Not having anyone warming up is a joke. It’s not fair to the team and it’s not fair to Javy, who can’t get it done. He’s trying, he just can’t do it.
This is the worst offense in the AL!!!
WTF!
girardi is deluding himself if he thinks vazquez can continue to be effective with an 87 mph fastball. there’s no way he can consistently get major league hitters out with that and he’s never been someone who has precise location. this is a disaster waiting to happen. yankees were fortunate to get those 4 runs in the bottom of the 1st.
I wonder if Alfredo could get stretched out to start.
His stuff and style translates better to the rotation to the bullpen anyway. I’m confident he’d be at least a number 4 starter on 15-20 teams in baseball.
Why are they waiting to take him out???
They’re going to wait until we’re down 3 runs to take him out. What’s the god damn purpose???
Here is the problem, he just threw what looked like a changeup that was 84 miles per hour, that is too close to his fastball, he needs to take a lot off his changeup if he can’t throw over 88, and that is something a veteran should know.
His fastball has no life, but he is also throwing it right in the middle of the plate, again if you don’t have life, have better command.
The problem right now is Mitre and Gaudin just threw mutiple innings, I don’t know if either are available.
So the Yanks work hard to take the lead and he gives it right back……………where is the sense of urgency from Girardi? He gets in the players’ faces after KC? Someone should get in HIS face.
Bring in Gaudin………or Mitre. Anyone
Javy defenders r quiet again
Get Mitre up and throwing. This is ludicrous.
At this point I really feel for Vazquez. It’s sad to watch. It’s inexcusable not to pull him now with the bullpen rested and Sabathia on the mound tomorrow.
wow, AJ makes $16.5M this year, Javy makes $11.5M.
all of sudden their rotation got problems.
and, of course AJ doesn’t care at all.
I guess they are going to wait until he gives up 20 runs today.
This is what happens when you get to wedded to stubborness.
You stay too long with a guy who has nothing and is giving you no chance in the game.
He should have never seen the third inning.
That’s on Girardi.
A very poor job on the bench today.
Is Girardi even trying to win this game??? The offense came alive today and unforunately this inning might mentally hurt them.
“Betsy pitchers throw with dead arms, they all get it, the point is, he should be able to make adjustments, and he is not.”
This is absolutely not true. Pitchers don’t “adjust” to dead arm. They try to get by but they don’t make long term adjustments.
They throw through that dead arm. It usually only lasts a game or two and then they regain their strength. That’s what you do with dead arm. You have the pitcher keep throwing to restrengthen his arm.
If that dead arm is going to last longer than 2 games or so the pitcher is put on the DL.
And a walk to the mighty Josh Gibson. No wait, that’s Josh Bard and his .253 average. Get this LOSER off this team.
If Seattle wasn’t a pathetic hitting team the score would be 7-8 nothing already.
Mitre probably isn’t available today, he went 3 innings on Thursday. Gaudin is the only option for long relief today, in all likelihood.
Vazquez has enough stuff to win. He just has no location. It either stays outside or it moves over the center of the plate.
Let Javy die on the mount, let him pitch 9 innings.
Let him die!
Remember what Joe did to Park? He’s doing it to Javy…….
So now they get Gaudin up.
Now, while Javier still has to face another batter here.
Why not have Javier just throw over to 3rd base repeatedly.
here comes a grand slam.
clealry joe not doing his job
damn, on the mound
Good Morning GB……Did you see Branyan’s contrubution to the upper deck ????…Javy is pushing the ball just as CB claims
CB is right, wow is he pushing the ball.
Well Nova is coming up after this, no way around it, if Javy is going to pitch again, he needs a break first to fix his mechanics again, and or let his arm rest.
Magic # is 7. That’s when Girardi will take him out.
It’s literally amazing that Girardi is not pulling him. I honestly will be fascinated to hear his reasoning after the game.
After this performance I can’t see Vazquez taking the mound again for a long time. He is a joke and craps his pants in NY.
86mph FB and 84MPH change= Disaster.
giradri just got lucky as heck
This is all on Joe, period…………..I don’t want to hear about any more team meetings after this debacle.
He just got so lucky on that last out, wow wow wow.
He can’t stay in the game, no way.
This is SO difficult to watch. At least I’m not there today.
Just call up Nova.
I think Javy will be visiting the DL after today’s outing. Joe’s getting what he can out of him before banishment. This reeks exactly of what they did to Park.
Who else besides Nova can come up and start?
Wish Lilly could slip through waivers to us, but that’s not going to happen.
“At this point I really feel for Vazquez. It’s sad to watch. It’s inexcusable not to pull him now with the bullpen rested and Sabathia on the mound tomorrow.”
I really don’t know why he made this start or why he’s out on the mound.
I assume the yankees are doing what is usually done with dead arm – keep the guy throwing and assume he’ll regain strength.
But this is pointless given how much stuff Vazquez has currently lost.
They should have just put him in the DL to do a throwing program/ rehab to see if this is in fact dead arm and whether it will get better.
Can’t let him start the 4th inning. Did a nice job last night making AJ take one for the team. The pen is ready let them pitch.
We got lucky there. Javier really battled today. Hopefully, he see the DL and some time to rest his arm, then makes his 2nd stint with the Yankees count in late September and October.
You can’t run a guy out there with stuff this bad and expect good results.
Two feet away from a grand slam to the #8 hitter.
Get him out of the game and on the DL.
Who knows what Nova can do?
One thing I do know……he doesn’t have a dead arm.
That gives him a leg up on Javy at the present time.
Cashman had the World Series Championship to give him some “house money” to play with and make some moves and he had an abysmal, horrible, off-season……I have never understood why he didn’t bring the same team back to defend the championship……..
at this point we have two starters that cant hold the world’s worst offense down?
Wow I’m surprised he didn’t give up a grandslam. Just face the facts Javy stinks and so does Burnett. The Yankees best bet is to get Cliff Lee and continue to develop pitching.
Blame Cash for Javy not being on the DL. I love Cash, but this is ridiculous – I feel for Javy because he has nothing;
the Yankees are hitting in some bad luck so far today, that’s about 3 very hard hit outs already
Hard hit ball, right at them. 3 singles by the Mariners with 2 outs last inning, all hard hit, all perfectly placed.
just bad luck.
every ball hit hard by nyy is caught.
d@mm this lucky pitcher.
yet they keep finding holes
with arizona and houston throwing tons of money in their deadline deals yanks should’ve been able to get either haran or oswalt. i mean c’mon – joe fricking saunders?
vazquez is done. kiss those 2 picks goodbye. right now there’s probably least of their problems
Keith–FL August 21st, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Cashman had the World Series Championship to give him some “house money” to play with and make some moves and he had an abysmal, horrible, off-season……I have never understood why he didn’t bring the same team back to defend the championship……..
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Any other GM would of made the Javy move.
This is a game where the offense simply can’t go in the tank again. Too many quick outs now.
Pitchers get hurt. Happens all the time.
What you DON’T do is use him when he is hurt.
That makes no sense.
The guy is fragile enough when he’s healthy.
Now? It’s ridiculous he’s still in this game.
wow… way to give the D some rest this inning. 7 pitches?
let him die on the mound.
it’s hard for me to imagine Vazquez pitching to the top of the order again, Ichiro must be licking his lips at the thought of hitting another one out.
If you’re pushing the ball and getting under it, it’s very difficult to locate it.
That’s what Javy is doing.
The reason why he can’t throw hard is a big part of the reason why he can’t locate.
The two problems are linked together.
Javy’s not going to be able to locate as long as his mechanics are like that. And it’s that dead arm which is causing his mechanics to fall apart.
Joe will bring in Gaudin after the horse has left the barn……neat.
CB, very good analysis, thanks.
Nobody brings the same team back.
That’s a recipe for disaster because everybody gets too comfortable.
Even the Dynasty Teams made changes each off-season.
Its DL time.
Not fair to a guy as good as Vazquez is.
In 2005, the Yankees brought up a AAA pitcher who had put up good numbers despite mediocre scouting reports. He went on to go 54-20 over the next four years.
I’m not saying Nova will pitch well, but the only way to find out is to throw him out there.
You know what’s scary?? I trust mosley more than aj and javy
clearly giradri wants to lose.
Stump Girardi MUST do something to split up Tin Man and JV. Start skipping THEIR starts instead of Hughes. We can’t keep marching these two LOSERS out there back-to-back.
another mediocre fastball that missed the glove by a foot and was right down Broadway.
freaking dumb joe leaving him out there
pathetic
JobaTipsHisCap August 21st, 2010 at 2:06 pm
let him die on the mound.
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Didn’t that already happen!
let him die, just die already!
Mitre just pitched 3 innings, 57 pitches 48 hours ago, so I don’t know if they want him pitching several innings again today. Gaudin just threw two innings last night. Javy needs to figure out a way to stop getting creamed.
SJ44
My favorite example is in the offseason following 1998. Coming off one of the best seasons of all time, we get Clemens!
# CB August 21st, 2010 at 2:07 pm
If you’re pushing the ball and getting under it, it’s very difficult to locate it.
That’s what Javy is doing.
The reason why he can’t throw hard is a big part of the reason why he can’t locate.
The two problems are linked together.
Javy’s not going to be able to locate as long as his mechanics are like that. And it’s that dead arm which is causing his mechanics to fall apart.
All spot on CB, but if we know this, then the Yankees know this, so why are they not doing anything about it?
Why would he start the inning, this made no sense, the guy was warming up last inning?????
Why is this loser still out there ?
I hate watching Javy and Burnett pitch. It’s like pulling teeth.
omg, it’s so easy for those fxxkers to make millions this easy.
What does it say about Eiland that he’s not insisting this guy be DL’d? What does it say about Cash, Joe? Nothing good.
I know zip about mechanics, but it looks to me like Javy is thinking too much out there, as if he’s trying to pitch by numbers. So the pause he takes is, say, step #4 in the process. He takes the pause and thinks, ok, throwing the ball is step #5. It’s very obvious to even lay people how “off” he is.
Has to be his last start for awhile. He’s incapable of pitching to major league hitters at this time.
It was sheer stupidity to start him today and the Yankees got what they deserved for their stupidity.
the first batter was on cano.
Wow, Gaudin right back in there. That may be a sign he is the first to go…
Pat M. August 21st, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Good Morning GB……Did you see Branyan’s contrubution to the upper deck ????…Javy is pushing the ball just as CB claims
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Yeah, I saw it. They could have shown “Gone With The Wind” on that thing. I dropped in a couple of Mantles at 1:40 and 1:54 today. You mention Briggs stadium. I was there on 17 September of 1960 when Mantle nailed Paul Foytack for one that cleared the roof in right center field about 100 feet to the left of the transform that Jackson hit. Cleared the street and landed in the back of a lumber yard. It was witnessed by 5 workers as to where it hit. A couple of mathematicians worked it out to 643 feet on the fly…the spot where it hit the shed.
just pathetic. 4 runs & 8 freaking hits in 3+ already. what does girardi need in order for him to realize vazquez’ arm is shot? it’s only been like this since the all star break
Why the only guy that was used last night. Where is Meat Tray
It has nothing to do with Eiland.
He doesn’t make the call on DL stops.
That’s on the manager and GM.
It was sheer stupidity to bring him back to NY PERIOD!
I know, SJ, but I’d have to think the manager and GM would listen. Overall, I agree……………this does not speak well for either of them and it’s disappointing.
Notice how Ichiro has completely rechanged his swing. It’s absolutely nothing like the swing mechanics he used against Javy.
Ichiro went back to the slashing swing he usually uses.
lol Javy
nice job by Gaudin this inning-his 90 mph fastballs must look like Nolan Ryan’s to the Mariners after the BP Vazquez was throwing out there today.
The usual “treatment” for dead arm is to have the pitcher throw. Throwing is what gets guys over dead arm usually.
That’s why the Yankees didn’t initially DL him. They were probably hoping to have him throw through the problem and recover his strength.
Dead arm usually resolves faster than this.
There’s something going on with Javy’s arm.
How stupid is Kay?
If the loser Seth Meyers had to qualify hit statement with “hate a story that makes the Yankees look like good dudes” then he hasn’t been won over.
He’s merely a scumbag, nothing more, probably less.
By even saying “look like good dudes” he’s implying that we aren’t and that the story merely makes us “look like”…
girardi can’t just sit him on the bench. it is up to cashman to put him on the DL.
Start saying some novenas for Pettite, because: Tin Man + JV = Home after ALDS
CB, that makes sense………I didn’t really buy the dead arm thing anyway. Why not have this guy take a battery of tests? Just DL him – making him pitch this way, even if nothing is wrong, is only going to hurt him – and I don’t want to see that happen.
there is no way the yankees can offer javy arbitration either to get the picks, because he would probably accept it at this point.
it has taken 10 pitches to get the last 5 outs.
last 5 outs on just 10 pitches. nice going
Here’s what I don’t understand….
You know Girardi wasn’t going to have Javy pitch to Ichiro and the top of the order again.
So, why not have Gaudin just start the inning clean?
Does Josh Wilson determine how you are going to use Gaudin today?
You don’t have to be Dave Duncan to see Vazquez had nothing today.
The key is to get him out of the game when you have the lead. No matter when that is.
That’s how you handle a game like today.
You want to work from the lead position.
Not one of Girardi’s better days today.
Especially with an Arod-less offense on his hands today.
what a warrior Javy is , arm with nothing still kept the team tied after three innings. I want this guy on my team any day!
The Yanks have to be more patient, they are just swinging away. Make Vargas work a little.
Kearns gets more cheap strikes than any other Yankee – since his arrival.
I guess that’s his welcome to New York.
Cheap 2-0 strike this at bat, and cheap strike 3 earlier this game.
And after a 4 run inning…
“Why not have this guy take a battery of tests?”
I’ll bet they’ve done strength tests on his arm already to come to the diagnosis of dead arm.
another 8 pitch inning. keep pissing away outs
6 outs…. 15 pitches.
where is the team that scored 4 in the first?
10 straight baters retired, but hits hve hit lots of bulletts they were caught
The offense is just so up and down at this point.
I know Phil has innings limits and that Andy is out and that Nova is a crapshoot, but that’s the way it is. Javy is not going to get any better and his starts are killing the team and the pen. Whatever their plans were for Javy and the rotation, they’ve gone up in flames. We can’t afford to throw away games and it’s not fair to the team to allow Javy to do so…………..and it’s really not fair to throw this poor guy out there to embarrass himself. If his name were John Smith and he was pitching that badly, Joe would have taken him out in a heartbeat.
SJ44
A-Rod-less offense today. Small sample, but according to Loser Kay, Yankees are 10-0 this year in games without A-Rod with 8 runs/game. I agree about getting Javy out of there, but just sayin’
If the Yankee braintrust knew he was injured, then why was he out there?
The fact is they didn’t, or don’t, and still don’t. Vasquez, like Pettitte, like Rodriguez, like Posada, like Teixeira, and like Jeter are not having the kinds of years the Yankees were counting on. Whether it’s an injury, or age, or just a bad year, they cannot hope to repeat with only two reliable starters, and no big bat in that four spot.
However, be that as it may, championship teams somehow find a way.
Pat, ok…..then the guy needs a long rest.
Hmm, not thrilled with the offense. 15 pitches in 2 innings?
Well the Yankees are really going to have to rely on that strength of there’s which has been the pen as of late. Not sure how many more runs there is going to be for the home team, today. Offense still struggling.
nova should be getting a call any day now. Pettitte out, Javy should be on the DL, Burnett is bad more than good, and Hughes is getting closer to his innings limit. This team is going to have to empty the farm to get through september (3 or more pitchers will be coming up in September). Just a guess though.
SJ
The long guys have eaten alot of innings lately. Even one batter might make a difference and be a small arm savings.
I’d be pitching Branyon further than outside.
So now the game is tied and Vargas has retired 6 in a row. I hope Vazquez’s batting practice didn’t make the lineup think they have to do too much and now they are “out of it.” Once the Yanks took the lead Vazquez should of been taken out. It was 4-2 and then 2 minutes later it was 4-4.
I know most of you hate Gaudin but he did a good job for the Yankees last year and still under 30 years old, he has good stuff today and can get outs.
N some wondered why Cash wanted Lee.
This rotation has 3 mediocre/bad pitchers in it right now – that’s tough to win with.
The offense looks like it stopped on a dime, lol.
If we dont win this year, we can thank Jack Zilch for screwing us out of Lee. The guy is a fat turd, and the Mariners will never go anywhere with that weasel as their GM.
@MG. Who hates Gaudin? He’s better than Javy
That is how you pitch to Branyan. If you don’t give him a meatball it’s a K almost everytime.
GB, I just love that story about Mantle in Tiger Stadium…….Gone with the wind, funny shit
Russell Branyan is not Mark McGwire. He’s a guy who hits mistakes and that’s it.
@Betsy. They have 4 runs thru 4 innings. How is that offense is stopped? Think a little before u bash babe
jnorris427 I can confirm now that Manny Banuelos and Dellin Betances are coming to Trenton. D.J. Mitchell may be going to Scranton, but not solid.
Lee isn’t here, so there’s no point bemoaning that fact. I do find it it funny that Francesca was whining about the deal being overkill. It almost seems like Mike would rather lose his way than win the other way (he didn’t want CC either, lol)
Betsy. They have 4 runs thru 4 innings. How is that offense is stopped? Think a little before u bash babe
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probably because all 4 came inthe first, then not so much as a hit since?
Javy is an absolute stud. He combines stuff with impeccable control and for the majority of the season , Javy has been our second best starter. what a find for Cashman this off season.
Ace, come on – quick outs in the last 2 innings? I didn’t say anything that isn’t true and I didn’t bash them.
Javy a warrior ? LMAO !
I cant believe that fat weasel only wanted Justin Smook (misspelling intentional), just because he scouted him when he was younger.
Wow, Banuelos and Betances are being promoted already? I’m more surprised about Banuelos as he missed a huge chunk of the year. I guess they think he’s just overpowering the A ball hitters to the point where it’s not doing him any good to be down there.
I can’t get gl-ass-es and ni-ece through the filter but sh*t is no problem?
At least Burnett goes deep into games when he struggles, Javy burns out the bullpen.
Where is that pitch?
I said after his last start that Javy should be DL’d and rested for two weeks. In fact a few weeks ago when it was reported that he had dead arm I questioned why they were not resting him. I don’t understand the Yanks’ strategy on this one…
Pat, isn’t that ridiculous? I have several nie ces and I wear glas ses. This filter is screwy.
# pat August 21st, 2010 at 2:30 pm
I can’t get gl-ass-es and ni-ece through the filter but sh*t is no problem?
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LOL!
Someone, last week I think, got the F-bomb, and S-bomb through the filter with no problem.
Pay,
I think Girardi overthinks at times.
Five pitches doesn’t make any difference.
Especially when you consider throwing from the stretch is more stressful.
They have enough depth in the pen to work thru it.
I know why Girardi doesn’t like doing it because tough to do.
However, when you see your starter throwing worse than Kevin Long throwing BP, you can’t put Vazquez into position to surrender the lead no matter how early in the game it is.
Especially since it was clear Javy wasn’t facing this lineup the third time around.
Water under the bridge now.
Unless Andy comes back and pitches like the Andy of old this rotation is not good enough. The Yanks thought they can use Nova as a 6th starter but now he will most likely have to take Vazquez’s spot. Just having CC and Hughes is obviously not enough.
another young Yankee hurler to keep an eye on is Brett Marshall, who seems to be pitching well after taking a year off to recover from TJ surgery
Javy could have gone “deep into games” if Girardi left him out there to throw batting practice as well.
Girardi went to the mound last night and basically told him he’s going to have to wear it for the next couple of innings. he threw 122 pitches because Girardi didn’t want to burn the bullpen.
Not some great feat by Burnett.
Put Javy in a small market area like KC and you will see him flourish. The guy can’t pitch big games and he can’t handle the pressures of a playoff race and postseason atmosphere.
Where’s the “We Want Nova” chant? C’mon creatures.
Jeremy August 21st, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Javy a warrior ? LMAO !
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you betcha ! The man has nerves of steel, it’s unfortunately due to elements outside of his control, (god perhaps) , javy has been dealt with arm woes in his tenure with the Yankees.
But the man is an absolute Gem. Despite these divine difficulties, Javy toes the rubbers and manages to keep the wolves at bay!
a force of nature , my man , a force of nature i say…..
Let’s go offense!!!
line drives right at people.
My guess is that Brackman will be in the MLB bullpen by midseason next year.
Things, however, can change based on need. Depending on what happens with the rotation in the offseason, if a couple guys go down he may be needed in the rotation. As horrendous as he was last year, he got his innings in. He also showed after he was shifted to the pen that he was comfortable there and would be capable if that was where a spot first opened up.
I’m really surprised that they promoted Betances. He’s capable of dominating AA hitters but at the same time I expected the timetable with him to be far slower. His arm needs to be protected like solid gold.
Where’s the “We Want Nova” chant? C’mon creatures.
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Like the 07′ we want Joba chant…..That was funny but feels like such a long time ago.
Very quietly DJ Mitchell has moved up the ladder.
Pretty impressive that he is in AAA right now.
I wonder if that means Nova is heading to NY.
The Yankees have to have one of the best crop of pitching prospects in all of baseball.
They have three possible front of the rotation guys in Brackman, Betances and Banuelos. And some nice mid-rotation finds in Warren, Phelps and Stoneburner.
Jose Ramirez is still down in Low-A and Marshall has looked good in his first season off TJ surgery.
4 hits in 5 innings?
Against Seattle?
Really?
Not having Arod makes that much difference?
WOW
that’s 12 in a row
SJ
Not defending it just trying to follow what logic Girardi was working with.
We need more offense!
Vargas is making it look easy now. We have seen this a lot this year, they had their big inning and then went back to sleep.
Cashmoney
lol ! Man you crack me up.
headed for another sub 10 pitch inning.
The minor league season is ending soon anyway, so it probably doesn’t matter. I think Betances is probably just too good for A-ball, so they can protect him equally well at AA – where I’m sure he’ll spend the entire year.
Jeremy August 21st, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Put Javy in a small market area like KC and you will see him flourish. The guy can’t pitch big games and he can’t handle the pressures of a playoff race and postseason atmosphere.
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why propose such small theater for Javy to languish in ?
Javy’s inner fire burns way too bright for the lights of KC and Pits….
Cashman has such keen eye for pitching talent , it’s amazing. Javy will prevail , if not soon surely later. have faith ….
unbelieveable. everyball is caught
Not really paying attention, but have the Yankees been no-hit since the second inning?
well that took 13 pitches. i guess that’s improvement.
this inning took 13 pitches instead of 7 or 8. offense on automatic pilot
very tired of the yankees going down in order until a starter gets tired.
Nick
Pray tell what is shocking you.
Vargas on track to throw a complete game. Not good.
I think Ramirez is on the 7 day DL (I wish MLB had a 7 day DL) – maybe to manage his innings? I saw that speculated on Pinstripes Plus. I wonder what kind of year he’s having? In any case, the more pitchers the better, because who knows how many of them will pan out?
13 in a row retired by Vargas.
The offense is in deep freeze again.
Making it all the more foolish to leave a guy with a dead arm out there long enough to flush away a lead.
Nova will probably be up here tomorrow with Vazquez going on the dl. With AJ, Moseley and Vazquez in the rotation they need more than 2 long men in the bullpen. With those 3 it’s a flip of the coin whether they will last 2 innings or 6 innings.
Eventually the whole “they’re hitting them hard, they’re just not finding holes” excuse falls on deaf ears.
The offense has to make a pitcher like Vargas work harder.
Javy’s start will get all the attention, but the O is in a coma…………Man, they turn on and off like a light switch.
as soon as AAA’s season ends, we will probably see Albie back and hopefully, Laird, the hitting Vazquez, Miranda and Montero, plus more pitching.
Betsy, Manny Banuelos is one the most advanced pitchers the Yankees have, it does not matter his age he has a great feel for the game, and mechanics that never let him down.
He is a fast mover because of this, Patrick Teale thought he could be pitching in high a as a 18 year old last year but they don’t want to push him, even though he could handle it.
The Yankees treat their prospects with kid gloves, unlike say the Red Sox or Mets, who push their kids.
In my mind he is closer to the majors than Brackman even though Brackman has been in double a for a while, because he is not someone who you have to worry about with his mechanics, and once he understands how to use his new 3 or 4 miles per hour he has gained in the last year, he is going to dominate even more.
To put it bluntly, he and Dellin Betances if they have their mechanics will dominate any league they are in as minor league guys, just as Phil did and Joba, their stuff is that good.
Brett Marshall is breaking out, he is becoming a pitcher now instead of just a thrower, very excited for his last 6 starts, his ground ball ratio is off the charts, and except for one start his walks are way down.
montero not on 40 man roster
They really do need more long men, lol…………..We don’t know what we’ll get from Nova; Moseley is really no more than a 5 inning pitcher and AJ is AJ. Ace will be brought along very carefully, so he’ won’t be an option. Perhaps when Phil is skipped, they can pitch him an inning or so in between starts out of the pen.
pat, the very non-filtered comment that you also mentioned is what shocked me.
Has Bronx Jeers already left the
buildingcountry? I dined at San Francisco’s historic Tadich Grill last night. Good vodka Gibson to wash down my cioppino.You probably aren’t going to see many, if any 9/1 callups who aren’t already on the 40 man roster.
I’ve watched Banuelos since he got to Charleston and love what he does, but, I think that it’s a bit too soon to have him in Trenton. He needs innings more than a promotion. Innings that he can feel good about. I would have promoted Stoneburner ahead of him.
Truthfully this season can hang on what they end up doing with Phil Hughes. They need him to pitch every 5th day. He and CC are all we have right now. I’d say build Aceves’s arm in the minors, and bring him back in 2 weeks, but i don’t think they want to do that with his back issues.
Question:
Brackman’s on the 40 man, throwing the ball well at AA.
Any chance we see him in September, even if he doesn’t pitch, as a reward for the season he had?
The Yanks batting average/runs scored in innings 2-5 can’t be very high. They seem to get a run in the 1st inning before the starter settles in and then score again in the 6th when the start is tired. Then they go to work again in the 7th inning against the bullpen. Very little action often happens inbetween. The only consistent part of this team is the bullpen.
Told you all last night Banuelos and Betances were called up
gaudin dealing
well gaudin is still an option.
Jason, thanks for the info! Manny (or Man Ban as I’ve heard him called) is the one who really intrigues me. I know the Yanks are cautious – maybe too cautious. When Phil was in AAA, they had a strict pitch count with him -and perhaps that accounted for his lack of stamina at times in the majors. On the other hand, he’s had no issues with stamina since – of course he’s a lot bigger (20 or 30 lbs, mostly muscle I think) than he was in 2007, 2008.
MG
I agree about Gaudin. He can be very effective and has been for us, like today.
Give credit where credit is due dept:
Gaudin is doing his job out there today.
So far, he’s the only one who seems to want this game.
Hey the boys from KC are back – swing really hard at slop. Totally amazing.
If the Yankees lose this game, it’s on the manager. That’s all you can say.
Chad Gaudin, a below avergae pitcher, is making Seattle’s offense look silly. It’s likely a 4-2 game now if Joe pulled Javy sooner.
That was a gutsy effort by Gaudin.
It’s the first time in a very long time he has pitched back to back multi-inning outings and put zeroes on the board.
Very well done.
Gaudin that was huge. Now lets score. Funny something Javy made so diffucult Gaudin made look super easy.
and starters sitting out there on the waiver wire?
Gaudin did his job today, didn’t he?
They should have let Gaudin pitch from the start. Javy is done.
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AC, Phil’s career is more important than this year…………and his career is very important to the Yankees. No matter what, he’s having his innings limited – by hook or by crook, they will have to find a way to deal with it.
I posted an excellent article by Dan Graziano recently that spells out exactly why the Yankees are doing the right thing.
And on the offense……………….no excuse not to hit this guy
Ramirez has done well for his first time pitching a full season.
They are watching his innings.
His #s are not bad at all. 3.60 ERA, and in 116 innings he has given up 106 hits and 105 strikeouts.
He has not pitched as well in the last month or two probably because he is pitching more innings than ever before, all these young kids reach plateaus they need to overcome.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....re_an.html
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Sadly Pete Abe is right for once.
Maybe the Yanks wanted Banuelos with Aldred, who is very highly regarded?
Betsy i agree, i was just making the point in theory that it can still depend on how they handle the limit.
Jason, thanks…..He’s just a baby, I think, so no concerns.
Major kudos to Gaudin…………..I don’t think the Yanks can afford to get rid of him at this point.
How can a team with Felix Vargas n lee be this bad? This is on the GM
Javy needs to be put on the DL. The offense needs to be put on the DL.
Is it just me folks or does the idea that Andy Pettitte is hurt and we may be reliant on
BOTH AJ BURNETT & JAVIER VAZQUEZ
In big, close, tense playoff atmosphere games leave me less than confident in those two Shrimps.
Watching Burnett and Vazquez is like tweedle dee and tweedle dum
These two guys are flammable. Yikes.
AC, sorry – I misread your post. They might need to get creative with Phil…….but I do hate the idea of a proscribed game/inning limit, and Joe doesn’t either.
When this offense stops hitting, everybody stops at the same time.
It’s why the dry spells get longer and longer and have been that way all year.
It’s not going to change in the next six weeks.
Which means, somehow, someway, the pitching is going to have to carry them the next six weeks.
The offense isn’t good enough to do so.
Wonder if Gaudin earned Javy’s next start with his performance this weekend?
If it’s Nova, they definitely should DL Javy and bring up another bullpen arm for depth until they need Nova to start and then promote him.
Gaudin did a great job. Too bad he wasn’t brought in when they still had the lead and the offense was awake. The offense has slept threw the last couple of innings. It really is unreal how many good pitching performances gets wasted by them. They seem to have no energy against the terrible teams. If they were facing Boston today I can guarantee they wouldn’t look like this.
“# Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 2:48 pm
And on the offense……………….no excuse not to hit this guy”
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Doing the same garbage they have been doing more often than not
Something is seriously mentally wrong with these guys or something
They should be stomping on teams like the Mariners at home down the stretch, these games are needed for the division. Shake my head
Somehow, someway, they have got to get Burnett’s mojo back if they hope to go far this year.
They simply have no one who can replace him.
Thats a big time outing by Gaudin.
The ball was jumping out of his hand and he was attacking the zone.
I remember his rookie year in Tampa when Piniella was locked in on an 8th-9th inning combo of him and Chad Orvella. Chad Orvella. Thats a guy that really fell off the face of the earth after looking like he was going to be a big time late inning reliever. Anyone know what happened to him?
But in any event Gaudin is still young and has always had a live arm. He’s been hurt by the fact that he’s smallish and not really a great fit as either a starter or a late-inning reliever. Even so he’s still been a very useful pitcher here for the past two years.
I understand that thames has done a terrific job this season but batting fifth??
Like it or not, AJ will be pitching in the playoffs. They have no other choice. They need Javy to go on the DL and head to Tampa and attempt to get his arm back where it should be. If it does, he’s in the conversation again.
I don’t see any starting pitcher worth anything slipping through waivers or being traded to the Yankees before the 31st unless we do something ridiculous/moronic and claim Zito or Zambrano and get stuck with them.
Jeremy August 21st, 2010 at 2:47 pm
They should have let Gaudin pitch from the start. Javy is done.
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those who burn twice as brightly , burn half as short. and Javy, you have burnt so brightly!
anyone thinks Jorge Vazquez can contribute on the ML level? will he be call up on sept 1?
# GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 2:44 pm
I’ve watched Banuelos since he got to Charleston and love what he does, but, I think that it’s a bit too soon to have him in Trenton. He needs innings more than a promotion. Innings that he can feel good about. I would have promoted Stoneburner ahead of him.
It’s not too soon, his stuff is so advanced, I like them challenging him, he is one kid who will never be overwhelmed, his personality from everything you ever hear about him is one of an old man in a 19 year old body.
Plus Stoneburner is at his innings limit, Manny is not, that’s why he is up.
I can’t wait to head to Trenton to see he and Dellin, it’s been since Phil was there that there were arms like these two kids.
I guess as inconsistent as the offense is, the Rays are just as inconsistent……..but they have better pitching. We’ve got the Jays, Rays and Sox coming up – with CC and maybe Phil (who knows what his schedule is) and……………who?
we are just fortunate that the red sox entire team is injured, and the rays have also forgot how to hit.
Thames had looked dreadful his last couple of starts. I can’t believe the Yanks went from so much offense in the DH spot the last couple of years to basically nothing this year. All year long the offense lays on the shoulders of Tex, Cano, Swish and Arod.
Macfan
Which is why I don’t like watching the games that they pitch. I said earlier that watching Burnett and Javy pitch is like watching teeth being pulled out.
I have no confidence at all in those guys.
can’t wait to read girardi’s post game.
reporter: any concerns about vazquez’ velocity? wasn’t too much life on his fastball and he wasn’t able to locate very well.
girardi: javy’s just going thru a dead arm period. dave and i will limit his work between starts even more. i’m not too concerned about his velocity. balls found some holes today. i’m happy with the effort. we’ll keep running him out there.
reporter is anyone but kim jones since she won’t ask tough questions on YES.
“# ac1 August 21st, 2010 at 2:48 pm
http://www.boston.com/sports/b…..re_an.html”
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Sadly Pete Abe is right for once.
“The Yankees are showing their age, going 12-12 in their last 24 games. Andy Pettitte could be done for the year, A-Rod is hobbling and Derek Jeter has a .726 OPS, the worst of his career. Their rotation for the postseason could be Sabathia, Hughes and a lot of bad news.”
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As much as I despise Pete, he is right for once about that for sure.
Think about our post season rotation, it could be ugly after Sabathia, especially if Pettitte is not back.
You know they will mess with Hughes and the innings limit and butcher him before the post season.
Burnett and Vazquez, well Javy is a free agent, best thing I can say, he will be gone with his tired arm and all in the ofseason. Good bye I say.
Vazquez did a nice job of turning himself around but this whole tired arm business for a veteran pitcher is a bit suspect at best.
As for Burnett, whatever.
Keep our fingers crossed Pettitte gets healthy folks.
Kay would be horrible at calling on the radio
No offense, Mac, but why does anyone care what Pete thinks? I detest him now…and he doesn’t know anything more than anyone of us do.
Boy Thames absolutely moidered that 86 mph fastball out of the strike zone. Spun himself into the ground. Couldn’t catch up to it. Teixiera rolled over and so did Swisher. Only at Yankee stadium – it is to weep. 4 hits and 83 pitches through six innings.
“we are just fortunate that the red sox entire team is injured, and the rays have also forgot how to hit.”
sox and rays could say the same about the Yankees. Every team has had their issues.
Does grandy misread every fly ball?
thank god the pen has gotten it together.
Also, mess with Phil and butcher him? Give me a break………..Pete should read Graziano’s article………..wait, it’s not a Di ck and Jane book, never mind.
I guess it’s all on how you want to read Pete’s story
Josh Beckett has been awful this year.
Jon Lester was awful in April and is 0-4 with a 7.71 ERA in his last 4 starts.
Lackey has been bad and Dice-K worse.
Their bullpen, aside from Bard, has been bad.
Victor Martinez has been bad this year and Mike Cameron has been worse.
If he thinks that puts the Red Sox to still be in the division hunt, let’s agree to disagree.
The Yankees and Rays have had as many injuries and inconsistent performances as the Red Sox have had.
They, unlike the Red Sox and their flacks in the media, haven’t cried about it.
Both teams have handled their issues better than the Red Sox.
That’s why they are ahead of them in the standings.
It’s a long season and the ebb and flow happens to everyone. Be Patient and hope its High tide in October when it really counts.
Burnett is a .500 pitcher he will never improve. Just get Cliff Lee in the offseason and bury Burnett in the 5th spot of the rotation next year.
5 hits
Oh, I thought that was Pete talking about Phil. Mac, they are doing the right thing for Phil’s career and for his and their future.
GB when was the last time you saw Manny pitch, just curious?
I know last year he was sitting 91-92 hitting 93 94 on occasion, just wondering what you saw him throw at?
He also has his curveball much better this year, after he lost it for most of last year after spring training, until really he regained it a little after going to the bullpen at the end of last year.
Granderson has made some phenomenal catches lately…………not about to criticize him.
Pete abe is a good beat man. He has his issues. His hate of certain players shines thru. Really clouds his stuff. But there is no better guy doing an in game blog.
“Kay would be horrible at calling on the radio”
Sterling/Kay used to do the radio broadcasts?
The Yanks will make the play offs because Boston is bad and beat up. But unless there is a total turn around I don’t expect much out of them in the play offs. They just aren’t good enough. They have 2 good starters, the offense gets shut down all of the time by anyone throwing the ball decent. They can hit the pitchers that throw hard but if you throw off speed garbage they are lost. They could beat the Twins but I wouldn’t expect them to score many runs against Tampa or the W.Sox starting pitchers. Even if Andy comes back and pitches well the offense stinks.
Boone Logan doing his job.
I wonder if the pitchers feel cheated with the way this offense is (not) playing?
Wow!!! Javy has really had his ups and downs this season. When we got him I thought he would be more reliable. I don’t mind losing Melky Cabrera and/or Mike Dunn to get Javy but if Arodys Vizcaino ever develops into a star then I’m really gonna hate this trade.
“# G. Love August 21st, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Like it or not, AJ will be pitching in the playoffs. They have no other choice.”
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ROFL, hence the problem, we’re stuck with him for better or worse
You notice how when the post season is mentioned Burnett’s 1 run 4 hit game against the Phillies in Game 2 of the World Series is always brought up 1st
I still don’t know how Burnett pulled that off, watching what we are watching from this guy this season.
@Betsy. Grandys ‘phenomenal’ catches r because he misreads every fly ball. He’s lucky he has enough speed to make up for it
Pepitone is right.
Getting AJ to be a functional starting pitcher again, no small order, is vital.
If that happens, they are fine for the post-season.
Assuming of course Andy comes back. Which I believe will be the case.
Betsy, Pete is trying to somehow keep his sheep following him on his blog down the stretch……I do agree to an extent, that Boston still lurking is concerning to a degree…..It’s more about them chasing Tampa…..Yanks will put some seperation between those clubs by Labor Day…BACK TO A 3 GAME LEAD…
Vazquez did a nice job of turning himself around but this whole tired arm business for a veteran pitcher is a bit suspect at best.
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how dare you sir ! how dare…. you discharge such unfounded accusations !
The perennial Warrior has given his body and soul for this championship cause. It’s rather sad for those for have so little faith in Javy.
one day , in the mist of time, you will regret such vile thoughts has occurred, no less being uttered out loud.
Pete Abe is right. This was really the Red Sox year.
Adrian Beltre, a guy they picked up on a 1-year deal, is one of the top six or seven players in the AL this season.
Ortiz is back to being one of the best power hitters in the league. Add a healthy Youkilis and Pedroia, they have the best offense in baseball.
Buccholz leads the league in ERA, even though his peripherals are not any better than Phil Hughes. (Hughes K/BB rate is much better.)
Lester, until last night, had been dominant.
As much as gone wrong for them, a lot has gone right.
If they want to keep Beltre, they are going to have fork over a huge contract. Do they keep Martinez and Ortiz, and risk getting older and more roster inflexibility? Hard to see where the help is going to come from the farm system.
Youkilis was an MVP candidate before he got hurt. Will he start to decline at 32?
Hard to see Lackey improving, and Beckett is a question mark at this point.
This was really the perfect opportunity for the Red Sox this year.
Pete is a fool. You could say the same thing about the Red Sox. Scuatro is in his mid-30′s and know he has some shoulder issues, Cameron is like 39 years old and is done for the year. J.D. Drew is old and made out of glass.
Also the Red Sox pitching is highly overrated.
“Kay would be horrible at calling on the radio”
He did. And he was….
# Ace August 21st, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Does grandy misread every fly ball?
Do you ever stop complaining? Why don’t you sit back and try to enjoy a game for once?
“Burnett is a .500 pitcher he will never improve. Just get Cliff Lee in the offseason and bury Burnett in the 5th spot of the rotation next year.”
How is Burnett at “.500 pitcher?” I see this all the time and it makes no sense.
Is Josh Beckett a “.500 pitcher?” Because he has a career 112 ERA + and a 109-71 career record. Burnett has a career 108 ERA + and a 105-91 career record.
First of all, its ridiculous to say the Yankees have had the same injuries as Boston. That’s just nonsense. And second, Pete’s right. NY has failed to bury Boston and that’s an indictment of Girardi and the lackadaisical efforts by the players. They play with a sense of entitlement and Girardi is absolutely clueless.
“# Jeremy August 21st, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Macfan
Which is why I don’t like watching the games that they pitch. I said earlier that watching Burnett and Javy pitch is like watching teeth being pulled out.
I have no confidence at all in those guys.”
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LOL, I hear you on that for sure
I usually avoid it as well to keep down my meal and maintain my sanity by avoiding the utter frustration of watching them pitch on this form.
Its bad enough with the lineup already, its like all or nothing from these hitters.
Heaven forbid you ask Burnett or Vazquez to keep you in the game and hold down the other team. If the Yankees don’t hit they don’t win with those guys going.
You can’t predict the playoffs.
The 2000 team won 87 games, didn’t hit all year, and found a way to wi the WS.
AJ Burnett won the biggest game of the season last year…..Game 2 of the WS.
Make the playoffs.
Once you do, it’s just about playing well for 2 weeks.
Any team can play well for two weeks.
I saw a pic peter abe yesterday, he looks like a felon . I bet the man has committed first degree aggravated assault on a cheeseburger more than once in his life.
A felonious fool i say.
Does anyone know who our pitcher will be if we have to go tom extra innings today? Mitre gave 3 innings two days ago and is probably unavailable…and so are Burnett, Vazquez, Sabathia, Hughes, Mosely, Gaudin or Logan. I’d rather see us lose a game in nine innings than get into a long extra inning affair that could compromise the bullpen.
Curtis Granderson is a new hitter, that was a great at bat, he looks so much better now.
Granderson is really doing a good job at the plate on almost every AB, he could easily have 3 hits today against a tough lefty.
don’t dp.
Risky send with Kearns on a 3-2 count. Just shows the confidence Curtis has already instilled in Joe. 3 weeks ago thats a strike’em out throw’em out dp.
I don’t understand how some Boston fan can call the Yankees old when both teams have the same average age. If anything the Rays are the young team in this race.
Go Granderson!!! Big spot for the rookie in his 1st major league start. It’s not like the Yanks have someone to pinch hit for him.
Hey, did I just see the Yanks get a hit?
Then another?
Hey, whoa hoppened?
granderson has improved, but i think he is allergic to .250. he keeps getting around .249 and then dropping.
“NY has failed to bury Boston and that’s an indictment of Girardi and the lackadaisical efforts by the players. They play with a sense of entitlement and Girardi is absolutely clueless.”
oh yeah, agree.
Granderson just had the best at bat of the game.
just get the ball to the outfield
Nunez!
Welcome to the bigs, kid!
Go Nunez!!!!
NUNEZ with a JETERIAN HIT!
good, so Joba in for the 8th?
“# ac1 August 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm
thank god the pen has gotten it together.”
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The 1 saving grace amidst this form the Yankees have been in
At least we can hang our hat on that
Now hope they take the lead here and put this one in the W column.
Its already obvious that Nunez has a much, much liver bat than Pena.
He should get an opportunity to show what he can do over the next week or so.
Really nice swing by the kid. Didn’t try and do too much with it. Went the other way with a change. Very nice approach.
I saw Banuelos in one Tampa game this year and he was at 5 innings and a fairly high pitch count, but, that was in July. He looked good, had some deep counts. He needs innings more than he needs a challenge. He can get just about anybody out. Stoneburner has a lot of innings left to reach his limit.
niiiiice…
We found our SS for next year..JK!! lol
nice job by the rookie, that was really big…
Being 7 games out with less than 40 left in the AL East is being buried.
Jon Lester is 0-4 with a 7.71 ERA in his last four starts.
He’s been bad for a month.
Way to go Nunez!!!! Big hit!
Clutch rook
Congratulations on your first hit Eduardo Nunez, just what he did in Scranton pepper balls where they are pitched.
It doesn’t matter if the Socks are officially buried or walk about like Zombies; either way, the maggots will feast in Boston come October.
Nunez joining the hit parade!
Hey, this is contagious.
Tom in N.J. August 21st, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Nunez!
Welcome to the bigs, kid!
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if Pena was in this game, undoubtedly he would hit a triple in this scenario and also snatched a triple plays the inning prior!
“# CR9 August 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm
NUNEZ with a JETERIAN HIT!”
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LOL, about time someone do, Derek hasn’t been getting much Jeterian HIts on his own accord.
Nice job by Nunez getting the runner in.
Nice 1st ML hit Nunez!
Robertson then Mo. Leave Joba out of this situation
Robertson will pitch the 8th.
Did Kay just say something about his favorite part being kissing the ball(s)???
Boston is done. The only way they had a shot was with superior SP and Lester lackey n Beckett have been terrible since ASG
That’s a great point SJ.
So many people treat the playoffs as a “That’s when the real teams step up” type of atmosphere. It’s nonsense.
The playoffs are just a small sample size of games, where occasionally any team can play the best. It’s as Billy Beane, called it, a crapshoot.
See St. Louis in 2006, Dodgers in 1988, White Sox in 2005 and a host of others.
Just get there and see what happens.
“# Pepitone August 21st, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Hey, did I just see the Yanks get a hit?
Then another?
Hey, whoa hoppened?”
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LOL, miracles do happen.
Mr. DP is up.
How great is it for Nunez to get his first hit in such a big spot. Awesome.
Jeter please try not to hit into a dp here….
G-C
They may not be .500 pitchers right on the mark. But Burnett and Beckett are very similar. Both are overrated pitchers known for pitching a few good games while being inconsistent time and time again.
Who were the Sox missing when they started the season 4-9?
The Yankees getting off to a good start is the difference in the records this year.
GB, Stoneburner is over 125 innings combined this year, he does not have a lot of innings left.
Manny is fresh and as you said he can get anyone out, it’s the right move for both kids.
SJ44 August 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Being 7 games out with less than 40 left in the AL East is being buried.
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Unless you’ve got Tom Seaver and Jerry Koosman in your rotation …
and the Chicago Cubs ahead of you.
JETER with a JETERIAN HIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
nice!
crooked number inning?
jeter with a NUNEZIAN hit.
“# Nick in SF August 21st, 2010 at 3:12 pm
It doesn’t matter if the Socks are officially buried or walk about like Zombies; either way, the maggots will feast in Boston come October.”
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ROFL
Nunezian hit for Jeter?
Since his lengthy at bat and the double off the wall, Derek is looking better, hopefully he can have a big last 5 weeks, the team need him to.
Come on Nick.
Pat M, he’s catering to his audience. I respect the Sox for how they’ve hung in there, but I don’t care to hear what his opinions are on the Yankees.
As to AJ, what does it mean to get him right? Even at his best, you don’t know what you’re getting from him.
ac1
Nunezian!! LMAO!!!!
Jeter saying to himself:
“Hey, I can’t let this kid get the better of me, I better get a hit.”
oooooh, beaten to the punch by ac1. Well done, sir or madam.
Come on Tex! No k or pop up!
2 runs in: I guess that’s a crooked number.
Good to see the offense respond like this. Keep it up.
Hell of a job by the Pen today.
5 Yankee rookies have gotten their first ML hits and 4 have their first MLB RBI this year.
“Jason22 August 21st, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Since his lengthy at bat and the double off the wall, Derek is looking better, hopefully he can have a big last 5 weeks, the team need him to.”
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I’m just hoping that these guys heat up and ride it into the post season
Right now they roster is all over the place
Hope Nunez can contribute more than Pena could
Teix has hit 2 rockets that were caught today…
I missed Nunez’ hit – darn – but congrats to him !
Lester has been hit or miss for a month, but he’s a tremendous pitcher.
Buchholz has a very low ERA, but I just can’t chalk that up to luck. His BB to K ratio is awful, but he gives up very few hits (109, I think, in 133 or so innings)……..so, either way, he’s preventing runs from scoring.
Good job by Tex. A sac fly always seems to be a rare thing for this team.
GreenBeret7
Who is the one Yankee rookie that has not gotten a first RBI?
How has Nunez looked in the field? Think he’d stay when Alex comes up with Pena being sent down?
Cano …
no soup for you!!
One thing girardi knows how to do is develop a pen
The pen has been ridiculous………
I don’t think Golson got a RBI.
Logan has been a revelation; this is not the same kid we saw earlier in the season
minor leaguers on the move…..
RPimpsner
#SIYanks RHP Shane Greene and Mike Gipson just received promotions to Charleston #Yankees #MiLB #MLB
That HUGE hit by Nunez should keep him in the lineup tomorrow.
“Buchholz has a very low ERA, but I just can’t chalk that up to luck. His BB to K ratio is awful, but he gives up very few hits (109, I think, in 133 or so innings)……..so, either way, he’s preventing runs from scoring.”
Not sure I agree here. Hughes, back when his ERA was under 3, had an insanely low batting average against. He’s slipped a bit in his peripherals since, but the biggest difference is the number of hits he’s surrendered. Bucholtz is pitching way over his head. Not to say he won’t be an excellent pitcher in time, but he’s not this good.
LOL, good to see Joba lost his 8th inning job.
good stuff
How tremendous is Lester?
He’s been awful in April and August. Not average, awful in those months.
Excellent in May and June and so so in July.
Yankee pitchers get crushed on here for that level of inconsistency.
He’s a good pitcher having a not so good year.
If he was a tremendous pitcher, he wouldn’t be coming up so short in the most important games of the year for the Sox.
Which these August games have been for them.
What!
No Jobber to pitch the eighth?
Chris, but I didn’t think that was luck…….Phil was truly not giving up a lot of hard hit balls. That’s why I don’t like BABIP. He’s slipped in terms of hits/IP, but that was bound to happen – and he went through a terrible stretch. In KC, of course, he was blooped to death. I’m not saying luck doesn’t play any part in performance, but it’s hard to know where luck ends and ability begins.
Not a good start to the 8th inning, here. a DP would clear the deck.
The bullpen has really shaped into form of late. So I guess that is no longer an issue.
lester era was in 2.80 and a whip of 1.13 prior to his beatdown
with a great k rate.
he a great pitcher
SJ, are you saying Lester is not an excellent pitcher? I’m surprised that you aren’t THAT high on him…………You raise good points, but there’s a reason why when ESPN did that poll he was about #2 (I think) on pitchers 26 and younger who baseball execs would want for the next 10 years. That said, I’m very happy that he’s been inconsistent lately.
Thank Mo for Mo!
“# JobaTipsHisCap August 21st, 2010 at 3:26 pm
LOL, good to see Joba lost his 8th inning job.”
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LOL, keep him right in the 7th inning and earlier where he belongs,
Pete Abe, Woulda coulda shoulda.
Jeremy August 21st, 2010 at 3:29 pm
The bullpen has really shaped into form of late. So I guess that is no longer an issue.
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wood has contributed a great deal to that cause, giving G more options in the 7th or 8th.
Joe needs to careful with his pitches count, i noticed he normally run out of gas @ 30.
He’s not been a great pitcher this year.
0-4, 7.71 ERA in August.
Awful in April.
Great pitchers aren’t awful for 40% of a season to date.
Joba hasn’t been the EIG for awhile now.
where were those last 2 pitches?
Hopefully next year, both Robertson and Chamberlain can start off the season strong and on target and not have to play catch-up with their numbers again.
Gardner is that play dive worthy? cmon
No, he hasn’t been great this year at all………..that’s very true.
Could Gardner have dived for that hit in left and made an attempt to catch it?
Who cares what an ESPN poll says.
That’s like reading a NESN poll.
I’m saying he’s a good pitcher who isn’t having that good a year.
It’s a results based business.
How does a guy who has been awful…AJ/Javy awful, for 40% of his season be a “great” pitcher?
Regardless of what uniform he is wearing, he has not been a “great” pitcher this year.
Junk the fastball right now and stay on the curve. It’s all he can locate right now.
4 outs save?
Wow. Mariano in for 4 outs. Good sign for Mariano’s health!
Um this move makes no sense, but okay, as long as Mo feels good, but really, why?
wow…. yankees want to be sure they win this game.
Joba hasn’t been the EIG for a month and won’t be the rest of the year.
This move tells you how badly Girardi wants this game.
He also doesn’t want Robertson throwing many more pitches in case he needs him tomorrow.
I didn’t say he was having a great year; I said he was a very good pitcher……….and that was a poll of baseball executives. Let’s not get into an argument SJ, but what’s the difference between a poll of baseball executives and the cumulative opinions of scouts (the same scouts you talked to about Phil)?
I am just getting caught on what has happened today and I wonder does Javy get another start this year before the playoffs are clinched?
He is a batting practice pitcher at this point. I would rather see Nova pitch in his spot.
Um this move makes no sense, but okay, as long as Mo feels good, but really, why?
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Because Robertson looks inconsistent today.
mo against saunder? aight, I might have done it for Branyan.
watch out for saunders. He’s quick on the inside pitches, but, hits pitches hard to left with power.
Hey, Davy boy, no high wire acts, ok.
There’s no net down there, so you have to go back the way you came in, with no runs.
I would of left Robertson in. This is a classic overmanaging panic move by Girardi, asking Mo to get 4 outs against the loser Mariners is pathetic.
Really need mo in the 8 th against the mariners??
# ac1 August 21st, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Um this move makes no sense, but okay, as long as Mo feels good, but really, why?
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Because Robertson looks inconsistent today.
Not really, he was missing with his fastball, hit a guy, and then overpowered another who blooped a hit the opposite way. His curve was dynamic, this was not a move needed, it makes no sense.
Joe G wants it bad and he want it NOW. maybe he will avoid starting the Warrior from now to avoid such conundrum.
I am not sure we need a poll to say that Lester is a good pitcher that is borderline great. Who is a better lefty? Is hie ERA still better than CC even after last night?
He would be our # 1 or #2 no doubt.
Vazquez/Burnett/Moseley as a 3-4-5? That is awful.
looks like GB has the scouting report for Saunders nailed.
atta boy Mo
Yeah Mo!
Saunders took Lester yard in Seattle to start his slumping month!
7 pitches aren’t ideal. Now score about 4-5 more runs and bring in Chamberlain to get the last 3 outs.
For some reason he still does not trust DRob all the way, he needs to, because we don’t want Mariano coming in to 8th inning situations he does not have to, it just does not make sense in terms of winning another world series.
Girardi treating this game like a playoff game. I wonder if bringing in Mo in the 8th was in his book.
Probably because we have CC going tomorrow
Jason22 August 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm
For some reason he still does not trust DRob all the way, he needs to, because we don’t want Mariano coming in to 8th inning situations he does not have to, it just does not make sense in terms of winning another world series.
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that could a by produce of MO, since he is such a sure thing. Drob has been pretty much lights out, he definitely could use better control but his pitches fb and CB has such movements when it’s right.
Baseball executives have been known to overrate players.
Josh Beckett is the poster child for that.
All I’m saying is, if CC Sabathia pitched in August like Jon Lester had, or was as bad as Lester has been over 40% of this season (as Lester has been), NOBODY would be heaping praise on him.
Jon Lester has a ways to go before he’s given the status blog posters, and some baseball people, give to him.
The results this season can’t be ignored.
Especially since, unlike Beckett, Lester has been healthy all year.
You use Mo & win today’s game and let CC pitch deep tomorrow and take the series.
Tomorrow you have Wood & Joba rested for should CC need help.
The thing I don’t get about Girardi is that he has more confidence in Chamberlain than Robertson and Robertson has been better than him for the past two years. Maybe Joe has something against Robertson.
Mo has only pitched 3X in 10 days, I don’t see a problem with the move. He pitched 2 innings in games 4 days apart in June, it didn’t seem to bother him then, one extra out should be no big deal.
SJ, that’s probably true about CC. Remember he gave up 5 runs last ST (in his first game, no less) and the back of the papers were filled with panicky headlines? LOL
Girardi knows that with this inconsistent offense, and the problems with the starting pitchers, he has to get all the wins he can get.
And there is no better man to have on the mound to preserve a win than the Sandman.
How has Joe shown more confidence in Joba lately? It’s not like D-Rob is being taken out for Joe Schmo……………..
posada is playing regularly again, that is a positive.
Jon Lester isn’t remotely close to being the pitcher CC Sabathia is.
CC has carried THREE pitching staffs.
Lester doesn’t even carry the Sox staff.
For as “bad” a staff as the Yankees staff is to some people, they have out-performed the Red Sox staff by a wide margin this year.
Jorge looks like he’s feeling much better both behind the plate and at bat the last week, maybe that cyst behind his knee has settled down and isn’t bothering him as much…
Why was Nunez pulled?
SJ44
You make a great point. Some Red Sox fans feel like Lester doesn’t come up big in must win games that often. You can include what he has done this year and what he did against the Angels in the ALDS, and the Rays beating the crap out of him in the ALCS 2008.
“Jon Lester isn’t remotely close to being the pitcher CC Sabathia is.
CC has carried THREE pitching staffs.
Lester doesn’t even carry the Sox staff. ”
BOOOOOM!!! I can see why SJ44 doesn’t have a job in the media. He ain’t a Boston-licker!
CC really is a beast………and Neyer doesn’t see it,lol. He doesn’t even think he’s one of the best pitchers in baseball.
DANDY GRANDY! Not so SLOW-PO!!
When Lester can do something like that, call me:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9.....835534937/
Girardi demoted Joba and replaced him with Joba.
How is that showing more confidence in Joba?
Mo has barely pitched the past 10 days.
It was the right move going to Mo in that situation.
Poor Kotchman
Grandy deserved a home town call on that play, he’s hit in bad luck today…
Betsy
Joe doesn’t have the same amount of confidence in Joba that he had before because Joba stunk up the mound. But Joe had shown time and time again that he was willing to go the Joba over Robertson.
YAY! Kotchman broke Youkilis’ record! WoooHoooo! One less record for the Sox!
MVP of this game —-NUNEZ & GAUDIN !!!!!!! What do you think?
“Why was Nunez pulled?”
They have a lead and Pena plays better defense at 3B.
LOL Nick…………. on the plus side, Lester made some kind of snide comment about a player (Ellsbury, I think) and going out for pizza with him. I don’t remember what it was, but it was pretty brutal.
I think I would go to Wood in the 9th now instead of using Mo.
“Girardi demoted Joba and replaced him with Joba.”
In the future we will all be Joba for 15 minutes.
Jeremy, he definitely stuck with Joba too long…………..but D-Rob has been great, so Joe would have to be an airhead to trust Joba over him.
Maybe Girardi wanted to help pad Mo’s stats a bit, giving him the chance to get an easy save. The runs in this 9th, which, given the Seattle BP was more likely to happen.
Betsy
I don’t understand why Neyer doesn’t see how good CC is. If he keeps pitching like this the guy could be a Hall of Famer.
The numbers don’t lie.
“MVP of this game ?-NUNEZ & GAUDIN !!!!!!! What do you think?”
Give it to Nunez. I like when they give the wrestling belt to the rookies and they don’t know why it’s in their lockers.
I don’t know if Neyer ever said that.
What Neyer said is that Sabathia isn’t the same pitcher now as he was in the 2 years prior to receiving his big contract. Now Neyer wrote that article while Sabathia’s ERA was still up over 4 with equally shoddy peripherals, so it didn’t appear so ridiculous at the time.
On a side note, Neyer is easily my favorite baseball writer out there. He’s scary smart but at the same time has a keen understanding of the game, e.g., his knowledge of baseball isn’t limited to computers and statistics.
If Mo stays in he still gets the save. Hard to say with Girardi. A 4 out save looked a bit out of character. Maybe Mo needs a little work?
No, Neyer definitely said that in a fairly recent chat………….I’ll see if I can dig it up.
Chip shot over shortstop?
The only time he goes to Joba these days is
A. Close game we’re trailing by 1 or 2 runs and he doesn’t want to burn the better arms
B. Leads of 3+ runs
C. If Robertson, Wood, and/or Logan are unavailable in close games and we have no one else.
I think Gaudin! He single-handedly kept us tied, on short notice, and on back to back days. GO-DAN!!
Its OK that Boone Logan is in line to get the win here, but I think that Chad Gaudin pitched better and is more deserving.
Rob Neyer is a dunce.
Another guy who should watch more baseball instead of reading advanced stat sheets.
Nick,
Good catch!!
Man Ban and Betances promoted to AA.
What a staff:
Man Banuelos
Betances
Brackman
Warren
Noesi
SJ – How far away do you think Manny B is to being ready? He looks like he could be a great one.
Or a strikeout. I’m better at calling for home runs. I’m in a slump.
what a great job by the bullpen today…
I’d give the belt to Gaudin.
“Rob Neyer is a dunce.
Another guy who should watch more baseball instead of reading advanced stat sheets.”
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I never got that impression of him. In fact my impression of him was almost the opposite of the purely sabermetric minded, Bill James type.
He believed Arod deserved the MVP as much as anyone last year not because of his numbers but because of the “impact” he had overall after returning from his injury. You wouldn’t see many saberminds writing anything to that degree.
His knowledge is limited to advanced statistics. That’s his problem.
Anybody trying to sell that CC Sabathia isn’t a dominating pitcher simply doesn’t watch the games.
In these days of pitch counts, eating innings effectively, and making your starts, is just about the most important thing a starting pitcher can do and The only guy in CC’s class in that area is Roy Halladay.
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweets.....e-stand-up
If the Yankees are not worried, either they are not paying attention or they figure worrying won’t help. Because Sabathia is clearly not the pitcher the Yankees thought they were getting when they signed him for $161 million. In the three seasons before the Yankees got Sabathia, his ERA+ was 146 and his strikeout-to-walk ratio was 4.5-to-1. Since then, his ERA+ is 120 and (more to the point) his strikeout-to-walk ratio is 2.8-to-1.
He’s still both durable and effective; he’s just not a perennial Cy Young candidate.
To find out what’s ailing Sabathia, you would probably have to ask a (really good) scout. He’s throwing as hard as ever. His fastball hasn’t been an effective pitch this season, but there have been other seasons in which his fastball wasn’t effective, and it didn’t hurt him. In 2007 and ’08, his best seasons, his best pitches were his slider and his changeup; last season his slider was just decent; this year neither pitch has been particularly good (all this “analysis” derived from these pitch values.)
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This was not a chat, but from his blog – from earlier, when CC seemed to only be beating the O’s.
I would give the belt to Gaudin as well……..
All I know is if CC continues this trend till the end of his career the guy has a great chance of making the hall of fame.
on gameday, it looks like mo is getting hosed by the ump.
G-C August 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm
“Rob Neyer is a dunce.
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who is this Neyer dude, and does his opinion and along with 4000 other experts has any effected on how this baseball is currently progressing on the field.
for that matter, what CC is going to do tom.
Get up Wood.
This is just stupid. Girardi using Rivera for 30 + pitches, in an August game against the Orioles, with a FIVE RUN lead.
Depends how Manny does next year.
If he can get to 140 innings next year, and continue this level of dominance, hrs going to be knocking on the door in 2012.
If not, 2013 would be his target date.
cc’s numbers are excellent. and now he is in the AL east, with 5 good offenses (most of the time). even the orioles have a better offense than most of the other teams in baseball.
“monstrous, prodigious blast”
Yeah, and that blast only counted for 1 run, in what is a Mariner loss.
Pena could have thrown that a tad sooner, they get the DP.
RIVERA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
27 pitches. not the end of the world.
I vote Gaudin as well.
C.C. Sabathia has been an absolute stud this year.
He’s the front runner for Cy Young.
“Get up Wood.
This is just stupid. Girardi using Rivera for 30 + pitches, in an August game against the Orioles, with a FIVE RUN lead.”
And if Wood doesn’t have it today and can’t find the plate… then?
Joba? If it was a 9 run lead or something, it’s different.
Whew!
CR9 August 21st, 2010 at 4:03 pm
“monstrous, prodigious blast”
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on top of that, he also hit it pretty deep.
Mariano is fine.
Anybody who thinks CC Sabathia isn’t a perennial Cy Young candidate shouldn’t be writing a baseball blog.
He just just fetch Bill James coffee and keep trying to sound smart.
G-C August 21st, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Get up Wood.
This is just stupid. Girardi using Rivera for 30 + pitches, in an August game against the Orioles, with a FIVE RUN lead.
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I’d be willing to bet that Mo has never been taken out of a game with a lead since 1997 and, if Girardi tried, Mo would tell him to take a hike.
G-C August 21st, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Get up Wood.
This is just stupid. Girardi using Rivera for 30 + pitches, in an August game against the Orioles, with a FIVE RUN lead.
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WHAT? Was there a couple of franchise switches overnight? The Seattle Orioles and Baltimore Mariners?
WHAT? Was there a couple of franchise switches overnight? The Seattle Orioles and Baltimore Mariners?
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I hear the Baltimore Mariners are thinking of moving to St.Louis to become the Browns …
oops, that’s already been done.
Betsy
He wrote that in June. My guess is that he would retract his comments. If not, than I agree that he’s wrong.