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Postgame notes: Out of control in the rotation

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Aug 21, 2010 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

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Clearly a lack of zip on the fastball makes things worse, but Javier Vazquez said the same thing today that he said yesterday: It’s his location, not his velocity, that’s causing most of his problems. I don’t remember him sounding more frustrated.

“It’s my command right now,” he said. “Falling behind in the count. When that happens, you’re going to have bad games.”

The first Ichiro Suzuki home run was a 2-0 pitch. The Russell Branyon monster into the fourth deck was a 3-1 pitch. The second Ichiro home was a 1-0 changeup. When Vazquez allowed four straight batters to reach base in the third inning, the counts were 2-1, 1-1, 1-0 and 3-2 (after falling behind 3-1 on three straight balls).

“I feel better than I did at the beginning of the season,” Vazquez said. “I’m just not making good pitches, and I’m falling behind a lot.”

For now, the Yankees say Ivan Nova is joining the rotation to give all five starters an extended rest, but Thursday’s off day was going to do that anyway. Can’t help but wonder if Nova might also be coming up to limit Phil Hughes’ innings or to audition for Dustin Moseley’s role or to serve as an alternative to Vazquez.

The Yankees have said none of those things — and to be perfectly honest, I don’t think Moseley has done anything to lose his spot — but it’s easy to make that sort of speculation, especially after an outing like this.

“At times, (Vazquez’s) first couple of fastballs in an inning are slower than others,” Joe Girardi said. “It seems maybe it just takes him a little bit to get going. I’m sure part of it is just feeling like you’re going to make that pitch, and you have conviction in that pitch. But when he was winning games, he was throwing fastballs at those velocities the first pitch of an inning too. It’s just right now he’s a little off.”

Mariners Yankees Baseball• The championship belt went to Eduardo Nunez, but the start of the game was probably Chad Gaudin, who pitched two innings yesterday but was strong enough for three scoreless today. “It’s a gutsy performance by Chad,” Girardi said. “The big thing in these two days was he didn’t throw a lot of pitches yesterday, and he didn’t throw a lot of pitches today. He threw a lot of strikes. He was ahead in the count.”

• Good day for the bullpen as a whole, even with Mariano Rivera allowing a meaningless run in the ninth. Boone Logan had a scoreless inning, and Dave Robertson got the first two outs in the eight on strikeouts. Robertson hasn’t allowed a run in 19 straight appearances. “We, as a whole, are doing well,” Gaudin said. “We accept the responsibility and are accountable for what our spots are. That’s why we’ve been successful.”

• Girardi didn’t go into much detail about why he went to Rivera in the eighth or left him in for the ninth. “We talked about the situation and if we got in that certain situation, I was going to go to Mo,” he said. And that’s all he said about the decision.

• This was Rivera’s 25th save. He has reached that number in 14 straight years, passing Lee Smith for the most consecutive 25-save seasons since saves became an official stat in 1969. This was his first save of more than one inning this year.

• What changed about Alex Rodriguez’s status between pregame and postgame? “It was a discussion with (Brian Cashman),” Girardi said. “Alex was not here yet when I met with you (this morning). It was a discussion that Cash and I had. Cash talked to the doctors and trainers. We just all felt that it’s probably in the best interest to put him on the DL.”

• For now, there are no plans to call-up another third baseman. It’s Nunez and Ramiro Pena filling the hole. “Both of those guys have done a pretty good job filling in,” Girardi said.

Mariners Yankees Baseball• Mark Teixeira on realizing Rodriguez might be out longer than a few days: “When you take a few days off and it’s not better, then there’s something wrong there. Alex plays through a lot, so for him to not be able to play through this, we knew something was wrong.”

• Branyan became the first player to hit a home run into the upper deck at the current Yankee Stadium. He is also the only player to hit the glass of the Mohegan Sun Sports Bar in center field.

• The Yankees are 16-4 in games immediately following a shutout.

• Logan has retired 30 of the past 36 batters he faced. He has retired 23 of the past 25 lefties. This was his first win as a Yankee.

• Austin Kearns extended his hitting streak to 10 games, a season-high for him. This is his longest hitting streak since a 16-game streak in 2003.

• Casey Kotchman’s error in the eighth broke a streak of 274 errorless games at first base, an all-time major league record.

• Don’t forget you can always check out pictures in our online Yankees photo gallery, updated daily.

Associated Press photos of Vazquez, Nunez and Jeter

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496 Responses to “Postgame notes: Out of control in the rotation”

  1. Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    For a closer to be this effective after so many years is simply amazing.

  2. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Wow, Logan has really been terrific – as has the whole pen. I agree about Gaudin – if it wasn’t for him, we might not have been in a position to win.

    Tex’ s words sound ominous. Hopefully rest is all Alex needs and he’ll be ok when he returns; obviously the team needs him.

    I feel for Javy because he’s out on the mound naked – he has nothing to work with.

  3. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Out of control in the rotation…..don’t know if they can win a 7 game series with this staff …the way it’s now..

  4. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    just wondering if AROD has been healthy this year……

  5. Pat M. August 21st, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    Face, Derek Jeter was raised by educators who pushed him to be an A student…..College education was all around his environment…..Box of nails ??? Well he presents himself quite well in my book….Yopu’re off base on this issue I believe

  6. SJ44 August 21st, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    If Pettitte comes back, you have CC, Andy, Hughes and AJ as a post-season rotation with a VERY deep bullpen.

    Especially if Marte and Ace are back.

    I’ll take my chances with that group.

    Just have to play well for two weeks once the post-season starts.

    Any team can do that and the Yankees are no exception to that rule.

  7. JK August 21st, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    I wonder if the Dodgers are going to put Kemp on the market this off season.

  8. Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    “Moose was only ornery because he was surrounded by idiots. To be a pro sports player with a high IQ and a higher education must be very difficult. Imagine trying to talk to Jeter about anything other than baseball? He allegedly is dumber than a box of hammers, but he has a couple of very important smart areas that has allowed him to have great success: a high baseball IQ, and the right approach to the media.”

    I call BS on your comment about Jeter being dumb. Anybody that can handle the NY media with such ease doesn’t lack with smarts.

  9. backbench August 21st, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    ” The Yankees are 16-4 in games immediately following a shutout.”

    That’s .400 ball. You don’t want to make too much of that performance. We all know it happens, but this line up should suffer the minimum of shut outs.

  10. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    Pat M, that’s right………..no way Jeter is dumb. I refuse to buy into the dumb jock mentality either – kind of reverse snobbism on the part of the fans.

    SJ, I’ll go to the mat with that rotation. Phil would be the 3rd starter……..Obviously I don’t know how he would do in the post-season, but I’ll take my chances. The Rays have young pitchers as well who are unknown quantities. One thing CB said about Phil was true – if he can get through early struggles, he’s able to deep into game. AJ as a #4? Not bad……..a #4 isn’t supposed to pitch like a #1. We’ll see how Phil continues to pitch down the stretch………he’s really key (well assuming Andy comes back, that is).

  11. SJ44 August 21st, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Derek Jeter isn’t dumb.

    Cheap? He’s cheap! lol

    He’s not dumb. Far from it.

  12. Giuseppe Franco August 21st, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    No, SJ! You’re wrong! The season is over!

    They can’t possibly win a postseason series with Pettitte on the DL in August.

    You know as well as I do that the rosters are frozen on Aug 21st and there are no reinforcements coming the rest of the season.

    Good grief.

  13. pat August 21st, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    “I wonder what the attitude in most clubhouses is like towards rookies”

    Probably the same as in most offices…..they are the competition except for the players most secure in their jobs or who know they are nearing the end of their careers anyway.

  14. JK August 21st, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    Even if they go deep in the playoffs, with all the off days they can use Hughes as the #3 or #4 starter. He would only be needed for 1 start per series with lots of rest.

    The key is getting Andy back!

    If he can’t go then the Yankees will have to rely on AJ or Javy as the #2….. Yikes!

  15. Jerkface August 21st, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    I refuse to buy into the dumb jock mentality either – kind of reverse snobbism on the part of the fans.

    Every book written about baseball clubhouses leads me to believe its true. Look at the articles written about guys like ross ohlendorf.

    You can be successful without academic smarts. You can be street smart. You can be baseball smart. I’m not saying Derek Jeter has a low IQ, but I have read more than a few things where he is out of his element in most other topics.

    I’m sure had he gone to Michigan he’d be slightly more well rounded.

    And Betsy, do you just not buy the dumb jock thing on Jeter? Or on athletes in general? Baseball more than likely attracts smarter athletes overall, but come on.

  16. Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    “Derek Jeter isn’t dumb.

    Cheap? He’s cheap! lol

    He’s not dumb. Far from it.”

    I heard from more than a few sources that Jeter is tight with the dollar.

  17. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Pat, my office isn’t like that…………..I don’t like the idea of rookies being treated like they are less than nothing. It’s one thing to not want a rook to take your job from you, another to be either Mel Hall or a lesser version. It makes me wonder how Phil, Wang and Cano were treated when they came up.

  18. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Jerkface, I don’t buy the dumb jock thing in general. As I said in the previous thread, most of these guys didn’t complete their education because their lives revolved around sports, but it doesn’t make them dumb. I can imagine that they aren’t as well-informed as others in terms of current events or whatever, but in terms of being intelligent, no – I don’t think they are any different than your or I.

  19. Jerkface August 21st, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    Most athletes are ‘dumb’ because they haven’t put the time or effort into learning. Its not about IQ or their brain what I am talking about here.

    There are a lot of athletes who probably have a higher capacity for learning than some smart people who over-achieved thanks to being incredibly studious. I just want to make that clear. This is a dumb argument I’ve gotten myself into but there are differences between your IQ, the knowledge you learn, having savvy or cunning.

    A player can be media savvy but not necessarily be smart. Just like some people possess a low animal type cunning.

  20. Rich in NJ August 21st, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    I suspect that the reason that Vazquez is emphasizing command is because he thinks that he may still be able to impact that aspect of his game while believing that he lacks the ability to up his velocity.

    Either way, it doesn’t matter. Right now, he’s toast…burnt, stale toast.

  21. Pat M. August 21st, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    MLB, NFL, NBA, NFL…..What group in general have more light bulbs burning all the time upstairs???? I’ll lay 2-1 it’s the guys with the bat & ball….SJ can offer some insight on this if he chooses so….Then again it’ll be 50 rebuttals so he may elect not to and I can easily understand…….Later boys & girls

  22. Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    “You can be successful without academic smarts. You can be street smart. You can be baseball smart. I’m not saying Derek Jeter has a low IQ, but I have read more than a few things where he is out of his element in most other topics.

    I’m sure had he gone to Michigan he’d be slightly more well rounded.”

    Read it where exactly? Also, do you believe everything you read, if so, that’s kind of dumb.

  23. Pat M. August 21st, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    NHL …

  24. pat August 21st, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Jeter is a good tipper so he’s smart enough and not too cheap to take of the people who will be touching his food and drinks. :wink:

  25. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Jerkface, I don’t measure intelligence by IQ, so for one, that goes out the window. Even if I did, you’re born with a certain IQ, so being an athlete later on doesn’t affect that. I have no idea whether what you’re saying is true, but I consider myself fairly intelligent and there are plenty of topics about which I’d feel out of place.

  26. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    If Pettitte comes back, you have CC, Andy, Hughes and AJ as a post-season rotation with a VERY deep bullpen. ….
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    IF ? and IF not there’s a problem

  27. Jerkface August 21st, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    but it doesn’t make them dumb.

    It does. If you don’t do anything with your vast intellect you’re dumb! Not knowing things means you’re dumb!

    Some people are just dumb all around. Some have a low capacity for learning but make the most of it. Some people with a high capacity don’t do anything with it. Some people have a high capacity and fill it.

    And most athletes neglect learning because they focus on becoming better players. They are given free rides through HS and college thanks to dubious sports ADs. Or they get drafted before college and end up spending the better part of their developmental time not learning.

  28. Rich in NJ August 21st, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    It’s probably the case that intelligence is not a unitary concept. To the contrary, there are multiple areas of intelligence and to narrowly focus on the academic aspect of intelligence is to miss the forest for the trees.

    As for Jeter, a few years ago when he was rehabbing in Trenton he supposedly left a 40% tip at a restaurant at which he picked up the check for the team.

  29. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Diana Krall……..her music is awesome

  30. Jerkface August 21st, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Read it where exactly? Also, do you believe everything you read, if so, that’s kind of dumb.

    That those who have met him say he comes off as being very nice but generally vacuous.

  31. Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Jerkface,

    Keep digging that hole deeper as nobody is buying what you’re trying to sell here tonight.

  32. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 8:53 pm

    Anyone who works hard at what they do is smart……..that’s how I look at it. When I was in school, I studied hard and because I did I didn’t worry about how I did on tests. If you study, and do your best, then that is smart – smarter than more naturally gifted students who slack off.

  33. comet August 21st, 2010 at 8:57 pm

    Toronto just tied the Red Sox at 4

  34. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Boston is done..way to many injuries…they’ll be back next year

  35. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Rich, good point about Javy……………

    Yes, there are definitely different aspects to intelligence. IMO, generally, IQ ranks very low on the list as to how I would judge someone’s intelligence. You can be school smart and lack common sense, you can be so-so academically and do very well in business. Just last night at dinner, my brother-in-law talked about how he basically didn’t give a hoot about his studies in school………..but he’s worked very hard to get where he is (he didn’t say this, this is me speaking about him). He was talking to my nephew who is a college student. Curt told him that he wasn’t exactly bragging, that it was important to do well in school, but that that should be supplemented with real world, hands on experience. My nephew worked for Curt during the summer and it was a great experience for him. I made a point of telling him when he first went off to school that even though he was naturally intelligent, he would have to study hard because he’d be in with others equally or more intelligent and he couldn’t get away with slacking off.

  36. Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Yikes, Strasburg taken out of the game tonight with an elbow injury.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/conte.....;hl=302173

  37. BIG AL August 21st, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Pat M. -

    I think there was a time I misunderstood GB’s passion for the game as something else, and might have gotten off on the wrong foot, so to speak. There are times I’m here reading, and not blogging, because I’ve learned quite a lot reading his posts, and others. I’m also a very passionate guy, and allow that to get me in trouble, acting before thinking at times. I do enjoy most of the people on here, and try and not pay attention to those that just want to attack people, or simply don’t know the game. Thanks for the input, and I don’t play golf, so no trouble with keeping clubs away.

  38. SJ44 August 21st, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    Jeter does not let a lot of people get close to him.

    Sometimes, when someone keeps people at arms length, they come across as vacuous.

    I think some folks have that feeling about Derek if they encounter him in some social settings.

    However, he’s not dumb. Far from it.

    He’s not Ross Ohlendorf. Nor does he have to be.

    There aren’t 5 guys in the game as smart as Ross Ohlendorf. He makes Mussina look intellectually inept.

    He does however have a very good grasp of current events and issues that personally interest him.

    He’s also, far and away, the foremost American Idol expert on the team. lol

  39. xcv August 21st, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    great. looks like more 87 mph batting practice from vazquez. yes keep running him out there. and keep praying this flaky offense to pick him, burnett and moseley up. thanks girardi thanks cashman.

  40. Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    SJ,

    I assume those last two items were about Jeter.

  41. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    # Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    Yikes, Strasburg taken out of the game tonight with an elbow injury.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/conte…..;hl=302173
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    could you not see this coming a mile away…..he had a problem they should have shut him down

  42. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Now that is dumb, Jeter, lol – American Idol? I knew Phil was smart for not watching that show.

    Craw, wow – I hope he’s ok, but that does not sound good. I’ve seen people worry about Phil’s motion – I know nothing about mechanics, but he’s got an odd delivery, like he cocks his arm back and then throws in two separate motions; it doesn’t look that smooth.

    Fingers crossed about Strasburg.

  43. Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    “could you not see this coming a mile away…..he had a problem they should have shut him down”

    You’re assuming his previous problem is related to this latest injury.

  44. SAS August 21st, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    The only baseball player I have heard say that he was academically challenged is Andy in his interview on YES.

    None of these guys are dumb unless they take the money they earn and squander it all. Not everyone needs a college education to be bright, affable and good company.

    Graduating summa cum laud, doesn’t make you any of the above. I am only too well aware of this because I have a son who has other problems, which are not academic. He has a masters degree in business from a fine business school. He is also a good citizen in that way, but cannot earn a dime.

  45. BIG AL August 21st, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Cliff Lee has not been his dominate self since going to Texas. I have no doubt he’s still an ace, but, if he continues to pitch like this, his price might come down, IMO.

  46. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Lee is just human – I don’t think his price is going to come down because he’s struggling a bit.

  47. Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    Montero just hit a three run jack to put Scranton up.

  48. SJ44 August 21st, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    Bernie Kosar was one of the smartest athletes I’ve ever met.

    He graduated Miami in 2 1/2 years with a degree in Finance and a 4.0 GPA.

    Had he not left school early to play in the NFL, he had a chance at a Rhodes Scholarship.

    Between his and off field earnings, Bernie made over 100 million dollars.

    At one time, he had small ownership stakes in THREE different professional franchises.

    Last year, he filed bankruptcy. Lost it all in bad Florida real estate deals and bad loans to former teammates and friends.

    If a guy like Bernie can lose it all, you realize it’s takes more than just book smarts or a higher education to be considered “smart”.

  49. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    College education doesn’t guarantee a thing. The NBA and NFL are full of people that don’t have enough sense to poor piss out of a boot, nor can they name a president that isn’t on money. There are college eduated professional people that can’t balance a checkbook. There are a lot of people that didn’t get out of the 9th grade, but, were well read and as “intelligent” as any college professor. My dad never got past the 9th grade, but, was a math wiz andwas the most well read person I ever met. I’ve never seen anybody they could read 8 books at the same time (a chapter here, a chapter there) and keep the stuff straight. We’re talking everything from history, to War And Peace to Perry Mason. his favorites were the books by Churchhill.

  50. Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Betsy is right, Lee’s price isn’t coming down.

  51. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    My pet frog has died :-(

  52. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    What a sad story about Kosar……….

  53. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    # Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    “could you not see this coming a mile away…..he had a problem they should have shut him down”

    You’re assuming his previous problem is related to this latest injury.
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    yep……since 7/21 up until tonight he’s pitch a total of 9.1 innings, not going anywhere shut him down

  54. Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    What’s that old saying. Nothing worse than an educated fool.

  55. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    Aww, Erica – I’m so sorry. What was his name? I’m sure he had a wonderful home with you..

    I love frogs…………

  56. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    I’ve always loved the old saying : A wise man speaks when he has something to say, a fool speaks when he has to say something……………

  57. Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    “yep……since 7/21 up until tonight he’s pitch a total of 9.1 innings, not going anywhere shut him down”

    If you say so. Anyhow, he’s probably shut down now.

  58. BIG AL August 21st, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    The passion for reading and learning can’t be taught. My dad could not afford to go to college, but, he had a lust for learning.. He was one of the smartest people I’ve ever known, and greatly successful, without that piece of paper.

    You can’t judge a persons intellect by a degree for college.

  59. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    The homer by Montero was a 440 foot plus shot to dead center. He’s 2-4 tonight. Laird’s in a bit of a slump, lately. still stuck on 25 homers and 99 RBI.

  60. Rich in NJ August 21st, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    “If a guy like Bernie can lose it all, you realize it’s takes more than just book smarts or a higher education to be considered “smart”.”

    While I completely agree with this point, and have absolutely no knowledge about this particular person, personality and/or character (depending on your how you view it) play a very large role in how one uses their intelligence. So an otherwise smart person may be prone to succumbing to unreasonable risks that a measurably less smart person might be able to avoid.

  61. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    I love books – I’m a bookworm. My free time in HS was spent in the library and still to this day I love going to the bookstore and just flipping through pages of whatever interests me. Loving to read doesn’t necessarily make one smart, but if you read enough, you will learn.

  62. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:15 pm
    Aww, Erica – I’m so sorry. What was his name? I’m sure he had a wonderful home with you..
    *********

    It was a tiny aquatic frog (aka a glorified fish).

    I started with two of them and I named them Jeter and Mo (but I couldn’t tell them apart). And after a month one died, so I just started calling the other “Froggie”

  63. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    # Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    “yep……since 7/21 up until tonight he’s pitch a total of 9.1 innings, not going anywhere shut him down”

    If you say so. Anyhow, he’s probably shut down now.
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    very important part of that teams future as you know

  64. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:14 pm
    My pet frog has died

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    Oh, no!!! Kermit’s dead?

    Oh, well. Frogs legs for dinner tomorrow.

  65. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    Erica, aww………..I’m really sorry.

  66. Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    @Erin, just finished shutter island, very well wrought story, i kinda guessed what was happening mid way through.I love the ending.

  67. Yogi Mantle August 21st, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    I’ve worked with some of the most intelligent people who are dumber than a box of rocks.

    I used to sell medical equipment and the doctors, while they may be specialists in their field, are among the worst when it comes to doing simple things. One doctor called me to service the equipment I sold him 10 times. Every single time I had to explain to him that you have to plug it in for it to work.

    Of course this isn’t the case will all docs, just as it isn’t that all jocks are stupid.

  68. SAS August 21st, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    GB,

    Are you sure you are not talking about my father-in-law, who would lie on his den floor with 3 or 4 books and newspaper clippings. He, however, had a graduate education.

  69. SAS August 21st, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    Erica,

    So sorry.

  70. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    anyone get the distance on Branyan’s HR…they say it was the longest in the new Yankee Stadium

  71. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    Look at the bright side, Erica. At least it wasn’t the rabbit that died.

  72. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    sit back and relax……

    Diana Krall – Walk On By (From “Live In Rio”)

  73. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Who cares how long the homer was? Seattle lost by 4 runs.

  74. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:20 pm
    Erica, aww………..I’m really sorry.
    ************

    Me too.

    And I am having major issues working up the stomach to flush him

  75. BIG AL August 21st, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Do you think D-Rob could be the closer of the future, or just an EIG?

  76. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    SAS August 21st, 2010 at 9:22 pm
    GB,

    Are you sure you are not talking about my father-in-law, who would lie on his den floor with 3 or 4 books and newspaper clippings. He, however, had a graduate education.

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    He loved the newspaper crosswords. The best thing that I ever did was buy him a computer and give him the addresses for newspapers and historical sites. He’d read them for hours, go out and walk to town for a donut and coffee with his cronies, walk back and read some more.

  77. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    # GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Who cares how long the homer was? Seattle lost by 4 runs.
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    LOL!!!!!!!!
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    guess it’s a question you can’t answer…..

  78. BIG AL August 21st, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Erica -

    If you don’t want to flush him, wrap him in paper and bury him next to the flowers, in your neighbors yard.

  79. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Erica, don’t flush him – bury him.

  80. BIG AL August 21st, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    guess it’s a question you can’t answer…..

    ……………………………………………………….

    Why do you need to know. OK it was 445′ more or less.

  81. Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Now, they are saying it’s a wrist injury to Strasburg.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=5482450

  82. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Its a really small frog…..

    And he’s in water so burial by land or by sea…. I still need to fish him out of there.

    Yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck

  83. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    # GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Who cares how long the homer was? Seattle lost by 4 runs.
    ———————————————————————————–

    you know everything thought you would have this down to the inch…

  84. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    Wrist injury is a lot better than an elbow injury; Nats fans have to be breathing a sigh of relief.

  85. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Not for anything-

    But Branyon’s HR today is believed to be the first to hit the 300 level of the Stadium. He is also the only player to ever hit the glass of the bar above monument park

    I know he is streaky, but has anyone ever considered making him a Yankee?

  86. SAS August 21st, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Erica,

    Use some latex gloves or saran wrap rather than touch it.

  87. Matt August 21st, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    I have played home run derby occasionally in New Yankee Stadium in MLB 10 the Show, and home runs that I had hit that were about the equivalent of what Branyan did today came in at about 460 feet or thereabouts.

  88. BIG AL August 21st, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    Erica -

    I don’t think the Yankees want to deal with Jack Z ever again.

  89. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    # Matt August 21st, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    I have played home run derby occasionally in New Yankee Stadium in MLB 10 the Show, and home runs that I had hit that were about the equivalent of what Branyan did today came in at about 460 feet or thereabouts.
    ——————————————–
    softball or hardball

  90. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    if Tex had hit that bomb..GB & Big Al would be out there with their rulers

  91. SAS August 21st, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Erica,

    He certainly has the Yankees’ number. He hit a few in Seattle against us too.

  92. BIG AL August 21st, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    From out of the wood work they come – Later.

  93. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    SAS August 21st, 2010 at 9:35 pm
    Erica,

    Use some latex gloves or saran wrap rather than touch it.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Ladies, I’m sorry that I’m sitting here laughing, but, this discussion makes for great one finers.

    Erica, I’m sorry for your loss. I’ll stop.

    Ribitt…ribitt.

  94. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    Froggie burial at sea is complete

    (It required two plastic spoons to fish him out and me yelling “ewwwwwwwww” for about 2 full minutes)

  95. Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    I want Branyan because his dingerz and decent OPS , i thought his bat would have play well in YS. He can still crush a fb like nobody biz. Unfortunately , i did not communicate that thought to Cashman while he was still in Cleveland and now we have a injured Puma. oh well.

  96. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    If I’m the Yanks, I never deal with Seattle again

  97. 98NYY August 21st, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Montero not only gave his team with the lead with his 16th but threw out two runners at second. How long has it been that we could say that about Cervelli?

  98. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Ladies, I’m sorry that I’m sitting here laughing, but, this discussion makes for great one finers.

    Erica, I’m sorry for your loss. I’ll stop.

    Ribitt…ribitt.
    ***************

    HISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS :evil:
    (for the ribitt)

    And a giant LOL for the typo. What’s a “one finer” LOL

  99. Tank August 21st, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Buster_ESPN
    Watching Strasburg walk off with an apparent injury reminded me of what one evaluator said: “Maybe throwing that hard is actually a curse.” 25 minutes ago

  100. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Not to mention ***One liners***

    Difficult to type when you’re shaking with laughter and everything is moving.

  101. BIG AL August 21st, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    joeman -

    I’ve got my ruler out, but, I can’t measure you, much too small to get a reading!

    Good luck navigating through life with being at such a great disadvantage.

  102. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    # Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    I want Branyan because his dingerz and decent OPS , i thought his bat would have play well in YS. He can still crush a fb like nobody biz. Unfortunately , i did not communicate that thought to Cashman while he was still in Cleveland and now we have a injured Puma. oh well.
    ———————————————————————-

    they got Berkman instead

  103. Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:40 pm
    Froggie burial at sea is complete
    ———————————-
    the moral lesson is to leave them in their natural habitat ! unleash the kraken! oops, kermit.

  104. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    The Yankees couldn’t hit AJ Burnett so they signed him.
    (And look how well that is turning out)

    And Russell Branyon is a walking HR Derby around them

  105. Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    joeman
    Puma= Berkman

  106. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Erica, he’s at peace now………….

  107. Rich in NJ August 21st, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    Buster_ESPN
    Watching Strasburg walk off with an apparent injury reminded me of what one evaluator said: “Maybe throwing that hard is actually a curse.” 25 minutes ago
    __

    Somehow I think Nolan Ryan would disagree.

  108. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:44 pm

    # Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    joeman
    Puma= Berkman
    —————————————

    I understand…..

  109. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:44 pm
    Erica, he’s at peace now………….
    *************

    I am so glad he is at peace, but I still have the heebeejeebees.

    YUCK. LOL

  110. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    don’t let Joe Franco see you talk bad about Puma

  111. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Poor Erica………….go take a shower, lol

  112. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Kermit would really be in “piece”(s) if you just shove him into the garbage disposal.

    bzzzzzzzzzzzzz….wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

  113. Tom in N.J. August 21st, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Erica, You want Yuck, I once had to scrape my family cat off the road….

  114. Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:45 pm
    don’t let Joe Franco see you talk bad about Puma
    ============
    don’t get me wrong , i think puma can still rake and he has demonstrated he still has plus bat speed.
    Branyan has been AL DH , just woulda require less adjustment period.

  115. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:47 pm
    Poor Erica………….go take a shower, lol
    *************

    LOL.. I can’t win.
    I had actually just gotten home from the beach, jumped in the shower and then went to check on froggie when I made the tragic discovery. LOL

    I don’t need another shower. But I did wash my hands for about two full minutes (even though I used plastic spoons)

  116. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Tom in N.J. August 21st, 2010 at 9:49 pm
    Erica, You want Yuck, I once had to scrape my family cat off the road….
    ***********

    Oh No! but LOL.
    Were you the one that ran him over?

  117. Tom in N.J. August 21st, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    No, It was a lawn sevice truck….

  118. Crawdaddy August 21st, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    System sweep tonight as every Yankee team won today.

  119. Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    since we are on the topic formerly live domestic pets.
    ——————————–
    my friend has a peacock mantis shrimp, those guys are way cool. they are like mike tyson of the natural world.

  120. Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Tom in N.J. August 21st, 2010 at 9:52 pm
    No, It was a lawn sevice truck….
    ————————————–
    New Jersey is a dangerous place to grow up in , Tom.

  121. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:50 pm
    Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:47 pm
    Poor Erica………….go take a shower, lol
    *************

    LOL.. I can’t win.
    I had actually just gotten home from the beach, ***jumped in the shower*** and then went to check on froggie when I made the tragic discovery. LOL

    I don’t need another shower. But I did wash my hands for about two full minutes (even though I used plastic spoons)

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    (que the Twilight Zone theme) NORMAN!!!!!!

    yes, mother.

    Yeah, I know that I’m mixing a tv show and a movie, but, I couldn’t think of the “Psycho” theme.

  122. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Erica, lol…

    Tom, ouch – poor cat.

  123. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Tom in N.J. August 21st, 2010 at 9:52 pm
    No, It was a lawn sevice truck….
    *************

    Thats why I go for lame pets. I can’t handle any more emotional investments

  124. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    whats better than this …..reading this Blog & listening to Cassandra Wilson

  125. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    Craw, this has been a very good year for the Yankees farm………

    Psycho was based on a real life serial killer, Ed Gein……..really interesting if grisly story. I never saw Psycho, except on an episode of Murder She Wrote which took place at Universal Studios and used the “house” as a part of the plot………….I’ve no desire to see that.

  126. SAS August 21st, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    Well at Erica’s frog’s expense, I have had a few laughs.

  127. Tom in N.J. August 21st, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    Cashmoney, Jersey’s a strange place that’s for sure….

  128. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    I sure hope all of this doesn’t scar Erica for life. Just imagine if Bert or Ernie were to be shredded in the washer. She’d be a basket case.

  129. UnKnown August 21st, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    Cowboy Joe West is one of the umpires in the double dip today between the Palehose vs Royals. First game didn’t start till 6:10 and now that one has went to extra’s. Haha. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

  130. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 10:03 pm
    I sure hope all of this doesn’t scar Erica for life. Just imagine if Bert or Ernie were to be shredded in the washer. She’d be a basket case.
    ***********

    Do not make me HISS at you again

    I remember when I was little, my mom decided to wash my Ernie doll. I still insist his hair was never the same again

  131. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    I’m so sorry I put on Baseball Tonight – they all predicted the Rays to win the division. I hope the Yanks win it just to shut Timmy and co. up

  132. pat August 21st, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    Erica

    Sorry for your loss. Perhaps a MPP would be a good choice until you’re ready to make an emotional commitment again.

    Did you hum “it’s not easy being green” as you flushed at least? :wink:

  133. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 10:05 pm
    GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 10:03 pm
    I sure hope all of this doesn’t scar Erica for life. Just imagine if Bert or Ernie were to be shredded in the washer. She’d be a basket case.
    ***********

    Do not make me HISS at you again

    I remember when I was little, my mom decided to wash my Ernie doll. I still insist his hair was never the same again

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    LMAO. I was just imagining your favorite feans and shirt in the washer with them. You pull ‘em out and there’s little whites guts everywhere.

    What do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO?

  134. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    pat August 21st, 2010 at 10:07 pm
    Erica

    Sorry for your loss. Perhaps a MPP would be a good choice until you’re ready to make an emotional commitment again.

    Did you hum “it’s not easy being green” as you flushed at least?
    *************

    I would really like to lie and say that I said some very nice words as Froggie was going down.

    But the truth is… I was still yelling “ewwwwwwww”

  135. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    pat, is that the Frog National Anthem? Like frog TAPS?

  136. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 10:09 pm

    LMAO. I was just imagining your favorite feans and shirt in the washer with them. You pull ‘em out and there’s little whites guts everywhere.

    What do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO?
    ****************

    I don’t know what I would do. I don’t know what “feans” are. Maybe I would be scared!

  137. jesusmonterofordh August 21st, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    the jays are truly pathetic.

    how are you not bunting

  138. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Oh, God. Tears running down my cheeks and my sides are hurting.

    I’m easily amused.

  139. pat August 21st, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    “I would really like to lie and say that I said some very nice words as Froggie was going down.”

    Perhaps a memorial service at a later time when you’ve got the ewwwww factor out of your system would be appropriate.

  140. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    feans = jeans. This is when my typing skills are bad….when I’m laughing.

  141. Tank August 21st, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    “the jays are truly pathetic.

    how are you not bunting”

    No doubt… did they really expect to get multiple hits in a row off Bard? Get him to 3rd and take your chances.

  142. Erica in NY August 21st, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    GB7 & Crew-

    Thanks for your froggie well wishes (and laughter).

    I am going to hit my couch for a while now and reflect on the life of Froggie. (and set my DVR for the week ahead! I can multitask)

  143. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Have a great night Erica….and a Happy Ribitt to you.

  144. EA August 21st, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    So the Royals scheduled a DH tonight?

    The first game has yet to end… so they are going to start the 2nd game of the DH after this?

  145. Carl August 21st, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    # EA August 21st, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    So the Royals scheduled a DH tonight?

    The first game has yet to end… so they are going to start the 2nd game of the DH after this?

    yeah. suppose to start at 11 es. Maybe 20 mins after the first game ends if it passes that time.

  146. UnKnown August 21st, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Yeah EA, pretty unreal. Still don’t know why they didn’t start the first one till 610 ct.

  147. SAS August 21st, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Later, Erica

  148. UnKnown August 21st, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    Hey Buck make Lowerie pay for that E

  149. TheStraw August 21st, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Was at the stadium today. Had a great time. A few observations:

    1) Tex’ play at first was absolutely incredible. That guy’s reflexes on defense are like no one I have ever seen.

    2) Javy looked like he was throwing softballs at the batters. The difference in velocity was startling even with Gaudin, and especially with Logan in the game.

    3) Ichiro is an absolutely incredible hitter.

    4) Branyan absolutely crushed that ball. It was obvious it was gone as soon as it came off the bat.

    Luckily, it all turned out for the best.

  150. Yogi Mantle August 21st, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Blow Jays Blew it.

  151. CR9 August 21st, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    So the Jays had a runner on 2nd with 0 out and didnt bunt him over? In extra innings?

    I won’t call them losers, just point out a lack of desire to win.

    I really can’t stand Lowrie. He is such a lowlife dirtbag.

  152. UnKnown August 21st, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Red Sux are such thugs. I hate them so bad.

  153. CR9 August 21st, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Darnell McDonald the steroid user looks like a criminal of the worst kind. With his do-rag and his scummy tattoos. Fits right in with the Sox.

  154. Rich in NJ August 21st, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Come on, CR9, don’t go there.

  155. Yank 97 August 21st, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    They don’t call them the Toronto Red Jays for nothing….

  156. G-C August 21st, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Everyone needs to stop worrying about Boston. They are virtually irrelevant right now.

    I know its still fun to root for them to lose (and I do so every night) but fixating it when they’re 7 games back with 40 games to go is just stupid.

  157. m August 21st, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    I’m a knock on wood kind of person, but I had to laugh when two different people talked about not making the playoffs.

    Anything can happen until the elimination numbers are reached by other teams. But, come on. If you hyperventilate at the thought of not making the playoffs do two things before u post. First look at the standings. Then go to coolstandings.com. You’ll see that it’s nearing mathematically impossibility by the day.

  158. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    If Mike Rizzo and the Nationals are smart, they’d pull the plug on Sreasburg’s season. They will gain nothing by letting him pitch again this year.

    And then there is the Phillies Tyson Gillies who’s charged with felony possession of cocaine in Florida. Gillies was part of the Cliff Lee trade.

  159. m August 21st, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    And I was really hoping for a Boston loss because their records are pretty close. They live to die another day.

  160. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    ***Strasburg’s*** season

  161. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    so AROD hits the DL

  162. m August 21st, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    LOL GB7 the gossip columnist. Oh, the irony. ;)

    Strasburg has had his share of issues. Iirc Gwynn didn’t abuse him. Too much, too soon?

  163. CR9 August 21st, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    Rich

    I was not being racist in any way, I assure you. The two biggest criminals on that team are Beckett and Youkilis.

  164. Yogi Mantle August 21st, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    I wonder what is going on with Lee. He’s been having a tough time the last few games. Makes me wonder if he’s pitching through something.

  165. UnKnown August 21st, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    Wow suprise suprise Bullington is looking human in KC. Already gave up 2 runs in the 1st inning. I had a feeling he wasn’t Sanday Koufax

  166. Rich in NJ August 21st, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    OK, that’s better.

  167. joeman August 21st, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    Sure wasn’t a AROD kind of year

  168. SAS August 21st, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    CR9,

    Enough of this. You are a grown man. These guys play for a team we choose to hate. What have they ever done to you or me?

  169. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    m August 21st, 2010 at 11:12 pm
    LOL GB7 the gossip columnist. Oh, the irony.

    Strasburg has had his share of issues. Iirc Gwynn didn’t abuse him. Too much, too soon?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Not really gossip. Can you imagine the headlines if this was a Yankee prospect. This gets buried on the back pages. Right now this trade isn’t helping Phillie at all in trying to get back to the post season.

  170. m August 21st, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Depression. PTS. Thought he was a Yankee for 5 seconds until they ripped his HEART out.

  171. Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    just was checking some minor league boxscore… I see montero went big fly again today. It is very tempting….

  172. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Nothing wrong with Lee. He’s going through a stage like most every other pitcher goes through, including Hughes, Sabathia, Lincecum and every other one. I’d still take him as a FA signing this winter…in a heartbeat.

  173. Occasional Poster August 21st, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    A “do-rag” makes one look like a criminal? Of “the worst kind”? (What’s the best kind of criminal?)
    And tattoos? Tattoos make one look like a criminal?

    LOL!

  174. GreenBeret7 August 21st, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    There’s nothing tempting at all about bringing Montero to NY. He’s no more ready than Romine, who also homered. Laird isn’t ready right now, either. He’s a lot closer than the others, though. There’s a spot for him.

  175. CR9 August 21st, 2010 at 11:24 pm

    SAS

    Hate is a powerful thing. It’s not about the team they play for or about what they’ve done to you or me; it’s about the arrogance in their actions!

    What Im beginning to learn is that “Hate is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies” My little twist on Shawshank Redemption.

  176. Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    was reflecting on today’s game … power is still the ultimate intimidation factor in baseball and prolly life.

    the practical application of power in baseball , whether it’s potentiality of a moonshot or dominating fastballs… alters the landscape of a game more than other elements.

  177. Rich in NJ August 21st, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    CR9 is clearly over the top at times, but I do think Beckett is pretty close to being a criminal on the baseball field, for example, what he did to Abreu. Repeatedly, if you hit him hard, he engages in assault by baseball.

    I’m pretty sure if Youkilis played in NY, he would be a huge star.

  178. Yank 97 August 21st, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    ESPN just referred to A-Rod as our 1st baseman…

  179. jonnycat August 21st, 2010 at 11:26 pm

    I am trying to find a video clip of Branyon’s shot into the upper deck….I thought yahoo had highlight clips of the days games, but no luck. Any ideas?

    thanks

  180. ET August 21st, 2010 at 11:28 pm

    Hate is fine as long as it is directed towards a Boston team or Bostonian.

  181. CR9 August 21st, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    Rich

    Thanks, that was a very kind way of putting it :)

    I agree about Beckett. Youkilis pisses and moans about every damn pitch that’s called a strike.

    Have a good night all! TA!

  182. CB August 21st, 2010 at 11:30 pm

    CR9-

    There are far too many times where you what you post is nothing but insulting. When you actually talk about sports you make some good points.

    But you almost never talk about sports. Instead you post over and over and over about your own personal hang ups and hatreds.

    No one cares. This place would be unbelievably boring if every individual just used it to spew off whatever little personal rant eats away at their heart.

    It adds nothing to the conversation what so ever.

    And much of it is pretty vile to read.

  183. ZMAN August 21st, 2010 at 11:31 pm

    “Enough of this. You are a grown man. These guys play for a team we choose to hate. What have they ever done to you or me?”

    That’s true… hate should only be reserved for guys like the fake Tom Cruise on the State Farm commercials…

  184. UnKnown August 21st, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    Can’t believe that the A’s got to Price tonight a little bit.

  185. Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    @GB7, I see laird and Nunez backing Yankee infields next year, that is , if neither of them are trade. also , Corban Joseph and David Adam could potential fill those role as well , down the road that is.

  186. Carl August 21st, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Can’t believe the A’s just gave it all back and some

  187. CR9 August 21st, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    CB

    I don’t want to continue this further; I was not looking for controversy. I agree that it is vile to read.

    I am in the process of seeking help. Have been for quite a while now. The only thing that helps is to post on here, and my shrink seems to think it is a good idea to manage my anger.

  188. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    so the Sox won, so what? They’re still a good team………….and are the Jays supposed to beat them all the time? We play the Jays soon – they’re a good team. I said they’d good in ST this year and I was right. They’ve given the Sox, Jays and Yanks fits…………..

  189. CR9 August 21st, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    …I just happened to be quite perturbed that this bum – another of Gammons’ little piggies – Lowrie has hit 4 homers off the Blue Jays and walked it off tonight.

  190. Yank 97 August 21st, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    Brett Anderson with a strong performance today 7 IP, 2 ER, 8 K

  191. JetergroundsintoanotherDP August 21st, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    wow, a lot of “clutchness” for the rays…

  192. Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    I am also intrigue by jorge Vasquez’s stick, hopefully we see him in sept, not sure he is on the 40 man though.

    @CR9, you are okay by my book… it’s kinda of funny how your absolutely hammers everything boston. But mostly i take as jest. keep the meds going dude, your rant doesn’t bother me.

  193. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    The A’s have done more than I ever hoped for against the Rays, so if they lose, they lose…………

  194. Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 11:40 pm

    Yank 97 August 21st, 2010 at 11:38 pm
    Brett Anderson with a strong performance today 7 IP, 2 ER, 8 K
    ————————
    stuff wise , Brett is best out of that bunch in oakland. When he is on , he can shut down any lineups.

  195. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    So now all the pitchers are going to have 6 days rest?

  196. Yank 97 August 21st, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    Jays are

    4-10 vs. Boston
    6-6 vs. Tampa
    5-4 vs. NYY

  197. Cashmoney August 21st, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 11:41 pm
    So now all the pitchers are going to have 6 days rest?
    ——————————-
    all of who’s pitchers , betsy, yankees?

  198. Carl August 21st, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    Come on A’s rally. I want to be 2 games up.

  199. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Yes………

  200. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Ok, Jays don’t do well against Boston, but they’ve given the Rays and Yanks fits………….

  201. ET August 21st, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    stuff wise , Brett is best out of that bunch in oakland. When he is on , he can shut down any lineups.

    yeah, he’s nasty… a true front-line talent, and a lefty to boot

  202. CB August 21st, 2010 at 11:47 pm

    “Brett Anderson with a strong performance today 7 IP, 2 ER, 8 K”

    Anderson is an absolute stud if he’s healthy. True top of the rotation stuff. He’s an elite young arm.

  203. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    So it appears as if Strasburg has a strained forearm……………not great, but obviously much much better than the news appeared earlier, when it was thought it was his elbow.

    Watching these kids develop is painful at times. Earlier in the year, I kept worrying about Phil getting hurt everytime he took the mound. Then I just figured that there was no point in worrying about that; I thought of Halladay and all the other pitchers that make it through their games ok……..

  204. Rich in NJ August 21st, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    The Yankees obviously want to remove Vazquez from the rotation, but they need to see whether or not Nova is a viable alternative right now. If he isn’t, and Vazquez remains non-competitive, they’re going to have to look at Gaudin or Mitre.

  205. Rich in NJ August 21st, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    I don’t think they’ve done an MRI on Strasburg yet.

  206. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Rich, you think so?

    Either way, you’re right in terms of the team needing to find a viable option should Nova not do well, but Gaudin and Mitre are not stretched out.

    Boy, with AJ and Javy being awful and Andy injured, it’s amazing we’re still in first place.

  207. Carl August 21st, 2010 at 11:56 pm

    Pathetic umpire. That pitch wasn’t even close.

  208. Betsy August 21st, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    No they haven’t, but I was just reading an article in Newsday that classified his injury as an arm strain……….first it was thought to be an elbow, then a wrist injury, now an arm strain ?

  209. ET August 21st, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Rich

    But can they really determine that after one start? Then again, if he gets bombed, we probably don’t want his next start in Chi-town, another small park/good lineup. But if they brought him up here, you would hope they give him more than 1 shot.

    On the road against the Jays is a tall order… his sinker better be on.

  210. Rich in NJ August 21st, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    Betsy

    From what I have read, it’s just a preliminary diagnosis and they will do an MRI in the AM.

    They can’t keep rolling out this version of Javy. He’s destroying the pen.

  211. CB August 21st, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    “So it appears as if Strasburg has a strained forearm……………not great, but obviously much much better than the news appeared earlier, when it was thought it was his elbow.”

    A strained forearm flexor tendon is nearly as bad as an elbow strain. Forearm strains are related to problems in the elbow. They can be fore runners to tears in the elbow.

    This is better news than something disastrous. But overall this is not good news for the Nats. It’s likely that there some kind of injury in Strasburg’s elbow that is manifesting itself as a strain in his forearm.

  212. Cashmoney August 22nd, 2010 at 12:02 am

    They can’t keep rolling out this version of Javy. He’s destroying the pen.
    —————————-
    if idiots like me can see it, I am hard pressed to think Yankees and cashmoney doesn’t internally realize that.

    I actually want the yanks to go after Ben sheets, due to the fact he has pedigree and zero compensation. heh, in retrospect they would have been kinda of a push with javy, even though sheets is out for the season.

  213. Rich in NJ August 22nd, 2010 at 12:03 am

    ET

    That’s true, but the NYP reported earlier today that:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....OfQesjO7WO

    “In addition, the Post has learned that the Yankees plan to promote Ivan Nova to make at least one or two starts in September as a way to give increased rest to the rotation. Nova, 23, is the Yankees’ top pitching prospect at Triple-A.”

    I readily acknowledge that Joel Sherman can be infuriating, but he has sources that are often accurate.

    So what happened between this morning and after the game?

    Vazquez continued to be dangerously unreliable.

    That’s why I think they are ready to change the rotation.

    Nova presents an option.

  214. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:03 am

    CB, the ultimate in stupidity would be to see him on the mound again this year. Two muscle related injuries in less than a month. You can’t mess with a $15 mil investment like that. Shut him down, get him thoroughly checked out and fix it befiore it gets worse. Washington has nothing to gain this year.

  215. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Rich, that’s right…….well, I hope it works out for them.

    CB, ouch – that’s not good news. I guess that makes sense in the fact that everything in the arm must be connected somehow. I assmue the muscles attached to the elbow run all the way up the forearm, so yeah – that doesn’t sound promising. It’s really got to be just a matter of luck if you develop young pitcher that doesn’t suffer any serious arm injuries……….assuming they haven’t been pushed beyond their limits. This is why I don’t get those who are annoyed at teams for having innings limits……..

  216. G-C August 22nd, 2010 at 12:03 am

    On a side note, its really scary how good this bullpen is right now.

    David Robertson is one of the very best pitchers in baseball at the moment. He hasn’t been scored on in his last nineteen appearances. By my rough count that stretch spans 17 2/3 innings.

    17 2/3 innings, 6 hits, 0 ER, 8 BBs, 22 Ks

    Those numbers are just insane. Robertson continues to get overlooked as a guy who has the potential to develop into a big time star, and that mythical “heir to Mariano” that everyone loves talking about so much. His stuff is special. His fastball on its own has tremendous life and his curve, when he can command it, is a knockout pitch.

    What Robertson is doing right now, from a statistical standpoint, is very similar to the stretch Joba had in August of 2007.

  217. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:04 am

    Rich, he is killing the pen………….no doubt. I’m trying to think of other options beyond Nova……….Gaudin and Mitre I guess if they get stretched out, but we really need them as long men.

  218. m August 22nd, 2010 at 12:04 am

    It’s obvious what the Yankees are doing, they’re fortifying the rotation. Javy’s been having issues for a couple of weeks already, even when he had a good outing or two.

    Right now espn.com has it

    8/22 French @ Sabathia
    8/23 Nova @ Morrow
    8/24 Moseley @ Rzepczynki
    8/25 Hughes @ Cecil
    8/26 Burnett @ Garcia

  219. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:05 am

    Why pour money into Ben Sheets. It’s quite probable that his career is over. another Ben McDonald.

  220. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:06 am

    Rich, I assumed that Nova would be taking Phil’s spot for a time or two………. Either way, I hope we can get Phil’s skipped starts out of the way before that stretch where we become joined at the hip with the Sox, Jays and Rays. In a way, this is good because this is how pennant races should be decided, but it’s not coming at the optimal time for the Yanks

  221. m August 22nd, 2010 at 12:06 am

    Radio called it a wrist issue. Of course, it’s the radio. :P

  222. Carl August 22nd, 2010 at 12:06 am

    Why is Soriano bowing before he pitches?

  223. Purenyyankee August 22nd, 2010 at 12:06 am

    In his last five starts, Vazquez is 0-2 with a 7.43 ERA. In 23 innings he has given up 35 hits and 12 walks. Eight of the hits are homers. How can they possibly send him out there on Friday to face the ChiSox??? Ozzie Guillen is laghing already. They MUST skip him.

  224. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 12:07 am

    GB7-

    They are going to shut him down without question.

    Let’s just hope that Don Cooper is wrong and that Strasburg doesn’t have a fundamental mechanical problem that makes him to be at higher risk for arm problems.

    Strasburg didn’t throw a lot of innings in college like other kids do. Tony Gwynn was good about that at SD State. This year Strasburg has had his innings monitored very closely. So I don’t think this is likely to be a work load issue.

  225. Cashmoney August 22nd, 2010 at 12:08 am

    G-C, My only worry about Drob are couple things

    1. his fb max out at 91-92 , and is his main weapon, any dip in velo would great hinder his effectiveness as pitcher
    2. his control still leaves a lot to be desired.

    Heir to mariano, I doubt it , i still think Joba is more likely that person than Drob.

  226. ZMAN August 22nd, 2010 at 12:09 am

    They are doing Vazquez a disservice by putting him out there, not just the team.

    He can’t get guys out throwing 86 MPH. They would be absolutely nuts to put him out there against the Chi Sox. He couldn’t even beat the Ms, now he is supposed to pitch well against a power hitting team?

    Do they think that MLB won’t grant him a DL stint for a dead arm or something?

  227. Cashmoney August 22nd, 2010 at 12:11 am

    GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:05 am
    Why pour money into Ben Sheets. It’s quite probable that his career is over. another Ben McDonald.
    ================
    gb7, i was talking about last off season, I also thought Yanks ought to look into John Bucks, Reed, and Gomes. obviously Cash went a different route. The only move that made little sense to me is Chan ho park, My innate alarm clock went off when Cash signed what i consider a gutless competitor. The dude basically took TX money and ran.

  228. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:11 am

    Rich is right – they have to find a viable alternative first.

  229. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:12 am

    CB, I would hope Rizzo is smarter than the Cubs were with Wood and Prior and not try to milk a few extra dollars out of Strasburg. I find it difficult to believe those Cubs decisions were all on Andy MacPhail, but he was in charge.

  230. G-C August 22nd, 2010 at 12:14 am

    “his fb max out at 91-92 , and is his main weapon, any dip in velo would great hinder his effectiveness as pitcher”

    ____________________________________________

    Sure. But Mariano’s throwing 91-92 right now and doing just fine.

    Robertson’s thrown 118 big league innings now and has 149 strikeouts. Its clear that there’s something special to his fastball. I’m not a scout so I can’t really tell you what it is, but I’m sure we can all agree that it looks like it jumps on hitters more so than Chamberlain’s at 95-96 has this year.

    I’m the biggest Joba fan on here so I’m still hoping his ultimate future is in the rotation. There’s no doubt in my mind, if he gets in shape, that he can and will be a tremendous late inning reliever. He thrives in situations that demand focus, so I’ve been especially happy that he’s straightened himself out in lower leverage situations.

  231. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:15 am

    Sheets has been a walking disaster waiting to happen for 3 years. For somebody as smart as Bean is supposed to be and working on a shoestring budget, that was a stupid move signing Sheets for that money.

  232. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:17 am

    Hughes: 23 GS, 140.6 IP, 3.90 ERA, .247/.296/.391 BA/OBA/SLG allowed (576 BF) – Yanks went 17-6 in his starts

    Chamberlain: 23 GS, 126.6 IP, 3.98 ERA, .257/.353/.415 BA/OBA/SLG allowed (560 BF) – Yanks went 16-7 in his starts
    ******

    Interesting stuff………..sort of. These stats came from Steve Lombardi at Was Watching who doesn’t like Phil at all, but they are interesting in that it appears just by the #s that their performances were quite similar. That said, that differences in OBA and slugging are significant

  233. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 12:17 am

    GB7-

    The Nats have been very cautious with Strasburg up to now. I don’t think they are going to take any chances now.

    As it is – what every is going on with his elbow will likely take at least 2-4 weeks to cool down. He’s not going to pitch again.

    Perhaps they shouldn’t have had him even try to come back from the shoulder. But that said, if you don’t have him pitch when his shoulder feels fine again you’re risking making the kid feel like there is in fact something wrong with the way that he throws the ball and that he’s made out of glass. It’s not a good way to end a season on an injury and have to think about it all winter.

    But after a second issue – he’s not going to pitch. Washington is looking at him as a long term investment. He’s the absolute face of their franchise. The future is much more important to them than their current present.

    Unlike the Cubs they aren’t trying to win now.

  234. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:18 am

    G-C, I can recall games that Joba blew a slim lead………..

  235. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 12:19 am

    Right now Robertson’s fastball is much better than Joba’s. Very little comparison. The velocity doesn’t matter. Just look at how poor the hacks hitters take off Robertson’s fastball and how few balls they ever square up.

    He’s got terrific stuff and has a shot to be an elite reliever. He’s already much better than most closers.

  236. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:20 am

    Maybe it was too much, too soon for Strasburg; he jumped right from college to the minors to the big leagues. No matter how easy it appears, throwing a baseball is an unnatural motion…………I hope Cooper is wrong as well

  237. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:21 am

    http://www.northjersey.com/spo....._self.html

    This is really depressing, about Javy and the team…………gotta think as positive as I can, though.

  238. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Betsy, the biggest difference in Hughes and CXhamberlain isn’t pitching ability, it’s knowing what to do with that talent. Hughes is getting smarter in how to pitch. Chamberlain is going in the opposite direction.

  239. Rich in NJ August 22nd, 2010 at 12:23 am

    I have never seen anyone more negative about the Yankees then Lombardi.

    His criticisms of Cashman are comical.

    But I can only stand so much laughter so I don’t read his blog anymore.

  240. m August 22nd, 2010 at 12:24 am

    The only thing that really jumps out there is the OBA. Joba walked a lot of guys last season iirc.

    Those are Jobas first 23 starts, right? I thought his season ERA was higher.

    I think we can all agree that Joba did fine until a few starts into the second half. Hard to say it was the rules, more likely fatigue and stuff swirling in his head. Jobs was on a pitch count, not an IP count. Was horribly ineffiecient if memory serves me correctly.

  241. Rich in NJ August 22nd, 2010 at 12:24 am

    My bad, Klapisch can be as negative as Lombardi, but at least the former doesn’t profess to be a fan.

  242. Cashmoney August 22nd, 2010 at 12:25 am

    G-C, i think Joba’s arsenal and size is essentially why i am picking him over Drob as a future candidate. chances are, let’s be honest, it’s the Yankees, neither will be and some gunslinger of a free agent will.

    my point about drob’s fastball is, i think it’s a swing and miss pitch. it’s fine to me to go from 96-91 with Mo’s impeccable control and still be uber effective.

    Drob doesn’t have that control. and one can argue the marginal dip from 96-91 is far less greater to go from 91- 80ish. I won’t use Javy as example , but it’s clear , with those few MPH dip , ML hitters can simply sit on other pitches and adjust to fbs.

  243. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:25 am

    GB, I definitely agree………… In Joba’s starts, boy – he would throw a thousand pitches just to make it through 5. Phil has mostly avoided the really terrible starts (just 3, really) and in the other “bad” games had a bad inning that ended his game. Those were games where he had little and battled as best he could until ….well, it came apart.

    It makes me wonder about luck and also confirms to me that you have to watch games and not just look at stats.

  244. Carl August 22nd, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Ken Davidoff is the best imo.

  245. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:27 am

    Rich, I don’t read his blog, but when I google stuff and something like this pops up, I can’t help myself sometimes. I don’t get upset anymore, but I really do wonder what his problem is?

    Klap is being negative, but it’s nothing really untrue. I doubt, though, that Cash will be wondering “what if” about Lee; that’s not his style.

  246. G-C August 22nd, 2010 at 12:27 am

    When Joba was starting in 2008 he had it all.

    Elite stuff. Sitting 95-96 on most days and 97-99 on a couple instances. Against Pittsburgh in June he was sitting 99-100 all game long. Knockout slider with two plane break. Good curveball.

    Fastball command was impeccable. Spotted it to all four quadrants and wasn’t afraid to dust people in.

    If you would have told me in July of that year that two years later, he’d not only be in the bullpen, but have a 4.92 ERA in the process, I wouldn’t have believed you were talking about the same pitcher.

    As impressive as Strasburg has looked this year, there have often been times watching him that I’ve thought about how Joba really wasn’t far beyond him on the surface.

  247. Rich in NJ August 22nd, 2010 at 12:27 am

    “Sure. But Mariano’s throwing 91-92 right now and doing just fine.”

    Mariano has pinpoint command. He’s sui generis.

  248. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 12:28 am

    Aggregate statistics comparing Joba and Hughes are extremely misleading because they don’t capture their rate of growth and development.

    With young pitchers what they’ve done isn’t necessarily a guide for what they will do or how good they are.

    Hughes can command his fastball at will to all four quadrants of the zone. Joba can’t. Hughes has a very strong understanding for how to pitch. Joba doesn’t.

    Hughes has the single most important tool a young pitcher can have – fastball command to all quadrants.

    Hughes has the chance to become a Zack Greinke like talent. His ceiling is that high.

  249. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:29 am

    Phil has walked 20 batters in 27 starts since he walked 11 in his first three – that’s ridiculous. He’s still keeping his hits/innings pitched at a good rate – not as good as before, but that’s because of that killer stretch he had.

  250. m August 22nd, 2010 at 12:29 am

    From has had one hiccup (April ’10) in his time with the Yankees. Other than, he’s been nails. Even with his velocity.

  251. Cashmoney August 22nd, 2010 at 12:30 am

    CB , i think Drob is fastball is more than fine right now and is prolly better than Joba’s at this point. my worry is simply that with his smallish frame , will a potential velo dip hurts his effective ness as pitcher greatly.

    in other word, what if Drob goes at it @ 87-89 , will it still be as effective.

  252. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:31 am

    You seldom see a young starting pitcher have as many decisions in so few starts as Hughes has this season. 20 of 23 games, and to be at a .750 winning percentage. Most starting get non-decisioned around 9-10 times out of 34-35 starts.

  253. m August 22nd, 2010 at 12:31 am

    Ack. Who the heck is From? That’s supposed to be D-rob. Stupid itouch.

  254. Tank August 22nd, 2010 at 12:32 am

    Bryan Bullington tonight (so far)

    5 IP, 8 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 4 K

  255. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:34 am

    CB, he really is a very smart kid; he clearly knows what he’s doing on the mound. I think his maturity is what stands out for me, both on and off the field. He’s the kind of kid who the Yankees can feel good about in leading their staff (though we’ll have CC and hopefully Lee to do that) and in being one of the faces of their future.

    I feel bad now for being so tough on him – I’m not quite sure why I was. I guess my expectations got completely out of whack, unfortunately.

  256. Cashmoney August 22nd, 2010 at 12:34 am

    Did the Nats sign Wang for two years? what’s going on with the great Ming dynasty?

  257. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 12:35 am

    “my worry is simply that with his smallish frame , will a potential velo dip hurts his effective ness as pitcher greatly.”

    That’s possible – but remember he’s not a starter so he’s not absorbing huge work loads.

    And on the whole, relievers are so volatile that it’s hard to worry about what will happen a several years down the line due to their frame size, etc.

    He has plus stuff.

    I’m much more concerned about whether joba will ever be able to repeat his delivery than I am about Robertson losing velocity due to his smaller frame.

    There are tons of relievers who throw like Joba does right now. They aren’t that hard to find and most aren’t ever that good.

  258. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:35 am

    GB, wow – only 3 no decisions? That’s kind of a neat stat…….

    D-Rob (love that nickname) is terrific -and he got off to such a bad start, too; he deserves a lot of credit for not allowing that start to kill his year.

  259. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:37 am

    I’m not the biggest Joba fan in the world, but he’s not a bad kid at all off the field; I know he has a good heart. On the field, he’s just frustrating as heck – for whatever reason. The fact that he’s no better than a middling reliever right now is a shame – his talent dictates that he should be far better.

  260. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 am

    M, I like From; that will be my nickname for D-Rob “phrom” now on

  261. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 12:39 am

    If anyone is interested in why people have concerns about Strasburg’s mechanics and the risk for injury take a look at the photo in the link below:

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/.....ayer_news/

    Notice how his right elbow is above his shoulder – that’s the worry.

    Strasburg loads his scapula to a remarkable extent. That’s why he can throw so hard. But some feel that loading the scapula that way causes injuries. Don Cooper is of that school of thought.

    Anyway – that picture is a great view of what’s commonly called an “inverted W” for a pitcher. If you look at both his arms they pinch in at his shoulder creating an upside down “W”.

  262. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Flexor strain – isn’t that what Ben Sheets had?

    I’ve heard of the inverted W, but I never knew what it was…….

  263. G-C August 22nd, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Betsy, expectations with young starters can certainly get out of whack.

    I saw no reason to believe prior to last year that Joba wouldn’t be one of the top 15-20 starters in baseball last year. I thought he was pretty easily the second best starter on the staff. A year later, its tough for me to even believe how far he’s fallen.

    From a developmental standpoint, everything about Phil’s season has been a smashing success. He has 15 wins, he was an all star, he’s taken the ball for all his starts. But circumstances have changed and circumstances often dictate expectations. With Burnett and Vazquez struggling and Pettitte still on the shelf, he’s no longer a small part of their World Series aspirations, a guy who they might have shifted to the pen to bolster the bullpen. If they’re going to win the World Series they are more than likely going to need him to take the ball at least 3-4 times in the postseason and need for him to thrive. When he does that, his development will have taken perhaps its final step, a year earlier than the organization expected him to.

    He could potentially go into next year as a 20 game winner with a postseason pedigree as a starter. The wraps will be off and that concept is really cool to think about. He has the potential to be one of the best homegrown starting pitchers to ever wear pinstripes and he’s off to a damn good start to his career.

  264. m August 22nd, 2010 at 12:44 am

    Betsy,

    Better than Pronk.

    I’m sure there’s some kind or wordplay involving a bridge from ____ to Mo.

    Hard to belive that the bullpen has made a complete turnaround. Started with Logan, and then Robertson, and Joba thriving in lower leverage situations. Building and managing a bullpen has really become Girardi’s trademark.

  265. G-C August 22nd, 2010 at 12:44 am

    CB, are there any other prominent pitchers (or flame outs for that matter) who have pitched with similar mechanics?

    Thanks for the analysis. Pretty fascinating to see.

  266. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:46 am

    For all of the mid-season hand wringing about hughes pitching slump and how he benefits from the offense, he’s lost games of 2-1 and 3-2. He’s only won one game where he allowed more than 4 runs or more. He allowed 5 runs in that win. It was his 3 no decisions and the other 3 runs that he was getting hit. He only had 6 games that he allowed 4 or more runs and all 23 starts were 5 or more innings. Jon Lester can’t claim that and neither can Buchholz or Sabathia. It proves nothing of course, other than he’s been very consistant.

  267. Rich in NJ August 22nd, 2010 at 12:48 am

    “From a developmental standpoint, everything about Phil’s season has been a smashing success.”

    While Hughes’s season has been a success, given that we were told in ST that his development into a four pitch pitcher was the key to him winning a spot in the rotation, I think his inability/unwillingness to throw the changeup makes his season less than a smashing success.

  268. m August 22nd, 2010 at 12:49 am

    Wang’s demise put more pressure on Joba. It also interfered with his development.

    Hughes will be under similar pressure.

    I hope there are no effects, but Hughes is holding up remarkably well right now. I truly believe he could far and long this season. However, they’re going to do what’s best. Having said that, they’re not babying him like they did with Joba. CB, any thoughts on why not?

  269. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 12:49 am

    “are there any other prominent pitchers (or flame outs for that matter) who have pitched with similar mechanics?”

    Mark Prior would be the most well know example (and did that example ever get beat to death).

    But there have been hundreds of pitchers who throw with an inverted W. Most are fine.

    Despite what people say, no one has any really good idea about what mechanics may increase the risk for injury. Yes we know more than before, but knowing more than next to nothing doesn’t mean you have a good handle on the issue.

    Coming out of college most people raved about Prior’s mechanics. It was largely when he started getting hurt that people started picking apart his mechanics and saying of course this is why he got hurt!

    The same thing is already starting to happen to Strasburg – only it will be even more intense do to the internet.

  270. Carl August 22nd, 2010 at 12:49 am

    http://thenatsblog.com/2010-ar.....sburg.html

    Got to feel bad for the Nats. Look at all those inverted W’s.

  271. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:51 am

    GB, the thing is – I really didn’t expect Phil to pitch like he did in April all year; what pitcher, even a vet, does that? Where my expectations got out of whack, I think, was with his secondary pitches. I always look ahead to the future and I kept wondering how he could live up to his potential when he’s struggled with his curve and change (well, mostly curve).

    Fortunately, Phil seems to have survived that bump in the road and his pitching well now — that’s to his credit. You’re right – Phil is no longer a luxury on this team, he’s a need. I hope he does well down the stretch and in the playoffs. I hope last year’s performances were just due to him being tired; I remember in 2007 thinking that Phil was as cool as a cucumber in the ALDS – he pitched like a veteran, not a 21 year old kid. Eiland saying he pitched scared last year makes me a tad nervous, but we’ll see.

    I’d kill to see him win 20 games, but that will probably be a difficult chore given his schedule. One thing I’ve learned from watching Phil (and Joba) is that pitching is just not easy and learning to become a good pitcher takes time. I’d like to think I’ll be more patient with the other kids we have.

  272. pat August 22nd, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Sounds like Alex was resistant but Cash took the bull by the horns……..

    “I didn?t sleep well [Friday] night. Consulted with our doctors, trainers, manager and [Rodriguez],” Cashman said. “We can?t [mess] around. With six days [since the injury] and we did what we did, I can?t tolerate that.

    “I told him if we make a mistake, we could lose you. I don?t want to take that chance.”

  273. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 12:53 am

    The whole thing about how important hughes change up was for him to make the rotation seems like it was largely for public consumption. It gave them a reason to wait in their evaluation for spring to play out and then give a concrete reason to not pick Joba.

    I don’t think they expected him to be a true 4 pitch pitcher this season. Since spring no one in the organization has talked much about Hughe’s change at all. They don’t seem too concerned with it given how well hughes has thrown.

    The change up will likely be something they’ll want him to develop as he moves forward.

  274. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Rich, he does seem to be afraid to throw the change………He keeps saying that he needs it, but then he says that he doesn’t want to get beat by his 4th best pitch. The change doesn’t need to be Buchholz quality, it just needs to be decent. I don’t know if Eiland and the Yankees are disappointed that the pitch hasn’t played a more prominent role……………Then again, if you asked them privately, I can’t imagine they wouldn’t be thrilled with his performance.

  275. m August 22nd, 2010 at 12:54 am

    The biggest difference between old phil and new phil is what happens with men on base. How many guys actually make it to 3B?

  276. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 12:55 am

    “Having said that, they’re not babying him like they did with Joba. CB, any thoughts on why not?”

    Hughes threw more innings in the minors than Joba did. Joba spent less than one season in the minors and missed a considerable chunk of the start of that season due to a hamstring injury.

    Hughes also didn’t have a history of any arm problems. Joba had triceps tendinitis in college.

    Joba also threw much harder than Hughes and pitchers that throw harder are more likely to get hurt.

    That’s the most solid thing known about pitching injuries. The harder you throw the more likely you are to get hurt.

  277. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:56 am

    GB, the run support thing kind of annoys me as early in the season Phil pitched in close games and the run support came late. He hasn’t necessarily beaten the best teams, but he pitched well against the Rays, twice well against the Sox and well against the Jays once – so that bodes pretty well.

    M, he has held up well. The kid is huge……his arms are massive; that work he did at the Athlete’s institute must have something to do with his durability.

    I’m more concerned about the curve than the change………….

  278. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:57 am

    Starting pitchers are falling left and right. Ricky Nolasco is done for the season with a torn meniscus in his right knee and Kevin Slowey is out with a triceps injury. If Florida doesn’t offer Nolasco a contract, there’s a pitcher worth looking at. He’s looking for a new contract and wants to try pitching with the injury. Sounds rather ridicuous to attempt that and risk arm injury.

  279. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:58 am

    M, Wang’s injury was very unfortunate for multiple reasons. However, with Phil – he’s going to have innings limits no matter the struggles of the rotation, so the Yankees are not going to screw around with him.

  280. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 12:59 am

    “Got to feel bad for the Nats. Look at all those inverted W’s.”

    Part of what that article also shows is how easy it is to say every pitcher has “bad” mechanics.

    You can pick apart most pitchers that way based on some theory. The problem is that no one really knows what causes the injuries in the first place. They are all theories at this point.

    And there’s definitely this phenomenon on the internet where people keep predicting injury for almost every pitcher they see and it almost seems like they are doing so so that they can later on claim that the “predicted” the pitcher was doomed. Why couldn’t the team see this!!!! I’m brilliant.

  281. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Betsy, a huge majority of Hughes’ run support comes late. Look at his last game. He pitched 6 innings allowing 2 runs. NYY scores 9 runs in the 6th inning after the decision was made to take him out.

  282. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Pat, thanks for posting. Cash is right ……….now lets just get Alex healed. By the way, I saw a pic of him with his daughter recently – she’s a beautiful little girl.

  283. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 1:00 am

    Why are they called “inverted W’s” and not “M’s”…………See M? They could name that after you!

    GB, that’s it. I can think off the top of my head of such games: Detroit, Oakland, White Sox, this past game…….I’m sure there are others.

  284. m August 22nd, 2010 at 1:01 am

    The whole point of the changeup was to make Phil a better pitcher.

    So if the saesson were to end today, his season would be a smashing success. Even if the changeup had little to do with it.

  285. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 1:01 am

    Phil threw some really good change ups in ST, so he can do it…………it’s just a matter of going out and doing it.

  286. pat August 22nd, 2010 at 1:01 am

    “If Florida doesn?t offer Nolasco a contract, there?s a pitcher worth looking at. ”

    There were rumors the Yankees scouted him in July.

  287. hardwired7 August 22nd, 2010 at 1:02 am

    that 3-1 pitch to Branyan in the 1st?

    worst

    pitch

    ever

  288. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 1:03 am

    M, good point……What he needs to work on his getting outs more quickly after getting ahead 0-2 or 1-2. It’s remarkable how many of those counts he gets himself into………..but then struggles to put them away. I figure that’s something that can be fixed……

  289. m August 22nd, 2010 at 1:04 am

    I really should click on the link . I thpught it was a schedule with a lot of ‘L’s on it. :?

  290. SAS August 22nd, 2010 at 1:04 am

    Good night all

  291. Rich in NJ August 22nd, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Betsy

    I would like to see him use it the way Leiter suggested: several times a game in low leverage situations with less threatening hitters, and then see how it progresses.

  292. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 1:05 am

    GB, that’s crazy………….Nolasco would be putting his career at risk. One thing I worried about when Phil returned from his leg/ankle injuries was whether he would try and compensate for those weaknesses. He admitted that he was never really 100% confident in his leg until the post-season so luckily he didn’t suffer any arm problems. Nolasco has to be protected from himself.

  293. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Rich, that makes sense………..but clearly the Yankees don’t seem to be forcing it with him. Perhaps they don’t want to give him too much to think about at this point…

  294. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 1:06 am

    Night, SAS!

  295. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Betsy, Hughes can only pitch against the teams that he’s assigned to. He’s beaten good teams and bad and lost to both. No pitcher ever pitches against only the best or worst teams, though Casey stengel used to hold Whitey ford out fot an extra 3 days and skip the old A’s and Senator teams to pitch against the aces of the best teams. I probably cost him 8 starts a year over 10 years. Probably cost him a shot at 300 wins.

  296. Rich in NJ August 22nd, 2010 at 1:07 am

    “So if the saesson were to end today, his season would be a smashing success. Even if the changeup had little to do with it.”

    His ERA+ is 103. How is that a smashing success?

  297. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 1:10 am

    GB, that’s true…………I didn’t know that about Whitey; shame.

    Rich, are you judging his season mostly on one stat?

  298. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 1:11 am

    pat August 22nd, 2010 at 1:01 am
    “If Florida doesn?t offer Nolasco a contract, there?s a pitcher worth looking at. ”

    There were rumors the Yankees scouted him in July.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Even if NYYs get Lee and if Pettitte retires, that’s the guy I go after to replace Vazquez. Bring up two youngsters and put them in the pen for a year and let them learn from the masters like Rivera and Sabathia and maybe Pettitte.

  299. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 1:12 am

    Even if I were to judge Phil on that one stat, being league average at age 24 and not having started in 3 years (consistently) is certainly a good thing. He’s made all his starts and hasn’t had one ache or pain.

  300. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 1:14 am

    Night!

  301. Rich in NJ August 22nd, 2010 at 1:15 am

    As I said, Phil’s season to date has been a success, but smashing? I don’t see it.

  302. m August 22nd, 2010 at 1:17 am

    I don’t even know what era + is. And what does it have to do with a changeup?

    Rich, you’ve been moving the goal posts all day. :)

  303. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 1:20 am

    Hughes has hardly been just a Ho-Hum success. He’s been a lot more than anybody could have asked for from a pitcher that was supposed to be a #5 pitcher (if he got the job) to now be the substitute #2 pitcher and doing a Hell of a job at it.

  304. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 1:23 am

    “His ERA+ is 103. How is that a smashing success?”

    Hughes ERA of 3.90 is 24th best in baseball.

    BBRef’s era+ calculation seems strange. If he has the 24th best era his ERA+ intuitively should be higher than 103 unless their’s a left skew in the data with the league low ERA’s being disproportionately low and driving down the mean.

    Last season an ERA of 3.90 translated into an ERA+ of around 118.

    This has been described as the year of the pitcher, so I suppose it’s possible performance this season is skewed down. If that’s the case, then comparing pitchers to the median ERA would probably be more helpful.

    The 24th best ERA is a very good season for a pitcher in his first full season in the rotation.

  305. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 1:24 am

    I should say that Hughes ERA of 3.90 is 24th best in the AL.

  306. Rich in NJ August 22nd, 2010 at 1:25 am

    m

    It’s league adjust, park adjusted ERA. 100 is league average

    I would have expected Hughes to be about 10% above league average. Maybe my expectations were too high, and I have repeatedly said that his season has been a success. That’s largely a positive.

    Girardi/Eiland emphasized the importance of the changeup. I think it’s fair to use their preseason barometer when assessing Hughes.

  307. m August 22nd, 2010 at 1:32 am

    From where Phil was in 2008 and his first few starts in 2009, to now? Marked difference. Someone (GB7) talked about his consistency. He keeps the team in games. He eats up innings. Add an all star game appearance. Winners.

  308. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 1:32 am

    CB, does it appear to you that Girardi has been pairing Wood and Chamberlain in the same games or is it my imagination?

  309. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 1:37 am

    GB7-

    I’m not sure. I haven’t noticed it but as I think about that I could see it.

    By that what I mean is that Girardi’s decision to use Chamberlain could be correlated to his decision to use Wood.

    If the starter gives the yankees length it’s pretty clear now that Girardi’s first choice is to have the starter go 7 then use robertson and then Mo.

    The only time Joba and Wood get used is if the starter doesn’t given them length – which has happened frequently recently.

    So if a starter goes 5 Girardi still needs 12 outs. He’s now mostly using Chamberlain to get 3. So he still has 9 outs to get.

    So I could see the circumstances of the game driving Girardi to use both Wood and Chamberlain in the same game as middle relievers who largely throw one inning stints.

  310. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 1:38 am

    Maybe not. They’ve appeared in 4 of Wood’s 8 games. but, 4 of Wood’s last 6.

  311. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 1:43 am

    Wood has gone muliple innings 3 of the 8 games so that seems to be a winning formula. Anything that works if always good. 9 innings in 8 games only one run allowed. He can get a little iffy though with 14 base runners. Not a bad pickup.

  312. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 1:45 am

    Hughes ERA+ could also be caused by ERA at the right tail of the distribution as well. It may be the case that era’s in the bottom standard deviation aren’t nearly as high as they have been in the past. Conversely it could also be central clustering with most pitchers performing at the mean which would lead to thin tails at both ends.

    Whatever the cause, that’s really interesting.

  313. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 1:52 am

    If Hughes can pitch as well as he has in his next 4 games as he has in his last 4 games, his ERA will be around 3.70. A string finish may gey him down to a very good 3.50. I’d take that from every starter in the rotation.

  314. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 1:55 am

    A ***strong*** finish may ***get*** him down to a very good

  315. Rich in NJ August 22nd, 2010 at 1:55 am

    “From where Phil was in 2008 and his first few starts in 2009, to now? Marked difference. Someone (GB7) talked about his consistency. He keeps the team in games. He eats up innings. Add an all star game appearance. Winners.”

    If Phil was a stock, I would be long on him. But that doesn’t mean that he has outperformed expectations this season.

  316. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 2:01 am

    OUCH!!!! I wonder what Ozzie Guillen will say after this DH tonight. Lost the first game in 11 innings on Betencourt’s walk-off hit after tying it on a grand slam in the 7th. He just put the game into extra innings with a 9th inning tying single to go extra innings again.

    Betemit is also helping to kill the Sox.

  317. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 2:04 am

    Name a better 24 year old #5 starter in baseball or #4 of any age. You can’t

  318. m August 22nd, 2010 at 2:18 am

    Okay, that last sentence sounds familiar. A pitchers record is not a good indicator, but I don’t know anyone who thought he’d have a win differential that he has. Most probably thought he’d have a mid-4ERA. I think most thought he’d still be experiencing growing pains. I think it’s safe to say that he’s exceeded everyone’s expectations.

    If you don’t like the word smashing, pick another one. How about wicked? Cuz he’s been wicked good, too. Too many homeruns. Otherwise not too many players getting past the third base coach.

  319. m August 22nd, 2010 at 2:30 am

    Wicked might not be the right word. But it’s really nitpicking if you start delving into Phils season. There have been so many positives. And he really hasn’t bombed in any of his starts except maybe one.

    Not saying he’s the best, but Phil’s made great strides on top of winning games. Everyone goes home happy. Right? Right?!

  320. Pat M. August 22nd, 2010 at 2:46 am

    Rich in NJ……It’s time to embrace Phillip Hughes and let go of Joba Chamberlain…….It was posted here for several years that Hughes was going to be the better pitcher….Many just didn’t see it……..And once and for all, Joba didn’t sustain any injury in Texas, it was a condition, so it’s time to let go of Jobamania……I don’t really remember you being one of the majority here that wanted to run Hughes out of town over the past few years, even as recent as last April after the Baltimore disaster…..Your support of Joba has been admirable, but the fact is Phillip Hughes as it sits right now has been one of the 5 most important players on the club this season, and their October run could depend on his right arm…..Joba coulkdn’t even pick up the slack for Wang last year, and is the 4th option now out of the pen and could be out of the Bronx come this winter……Give Hughes his due, regardless of how painful that might be……I have great respect for you, but this has been in my mind something of a bias that tarnishes your objectivity…..

  321. Rich in NJ August 22nd, 2010 at 2:55 am

    Pat M

    That is a mistaken assumption. On another board, I got into heated arguments because I was so strongly against trading him for Santana. I even offered the opinion that Phil would have a better career going forward than Santana, even if he might never be as good as Santana once was (a 182 ERA+ in 2004, YIKES).

    I like Joba, but I have always been a Phil guy. Even when Joba was dominating as a starter in 2008 before the injury, I posted quite often that I still thought Phil would be the better pitcher, and not because I foresaw a decline by Joba.

    Again, the only word I objected to during the discussion on this thread is “smashing.”

    He has given up 16 HRs at home with a 4.66 ERA there.

    So I don’t think that word accurately describes Phil’s season to date.

    I merely want him to be the four pitch pitcher that we were told he would be in ST. I don’t understand why the change has not been used, even in the way Leiter has suggested (as I referenced above).

    Thanks for the kind words, and those feelings are reciprocated, but I think you misread my affinity for Phil.

  322. Pat M. August 22nd, 2010 at 3:33 am

    Rich in NJ…..Late night and I must apology for my misinterpretation of your post………You were kind in your response…..

  323. Chuck58 August 22nd, 2010 at 7:01 am

    “Worst. Pitch. Evah.”

    I’m kinda thinking that Carl Mays to Ray Chapman was the worst pitch ever.

  324. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 7:05 am

    Chuck-

    Morning. I thought I was the only one crazy enough to be up this early but I see I was wrong.

  325. upstate kate August 22nd, 2010 at 7:07 am

    good morning Chuck and MTU :)
    of course it is earlier for you MTU

  326. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 7:10 am

    Kate-

    Sorry the Yanks didn’t play better the day you visited the Stadium.

    :(

  327. upstate kate August 22nd, 2010 at 7:16 am

    MTU
    we got to see a great pitcher…too bad it was King Felix not AJ!
    we had a good time despite that. We brought my MIL to her first Yankee game ever, and she enjoyed it…altho I had to keep explaining to her they couldn’t pull AJ in the first inning, and DH was a real position, not just special for Alex b/c he was hurt etc, etc. She made me feel like a baseball genius :)

    when you see Lester and Lee get rocked, it makes you a bit more forgiving of AJ

  328. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 7:21 am

    Kate-

    I’m glad you had a good time in spite of bad AJ showing up.

    What makes baseball so interesting is that on any given day almost anything can happen.

    You are a baseball genius ! You didn’t need your MIL to prove that.

    I missed yesterday’s game. Out doing one of my absolute favorite hikes. It was worth every minute but I feel like somebody hit me all over with a shovel. Taking it easy today. :)

  329. upstate kate August 22nd, 2010 at 7:24 am

    pix to follow?

    we listened to the game on the way home, and I watched it last night on the YES encore. It was easy to watch Javy struggle early when I knew they won in the end. I loved watching Nunez get his first hit.

  330. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 7:25 am

    Kate-

    Here’s a few photos. Enjoy. :)

    http://picasaweb.google.com/cy.....downGorge#

  331. upstate kate August 22nd, 2010 at 7:37 am

    beautiful as always, thanks for sharing

  332. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 7:41 am

    Kate-

    My pleasure. I thought you would like the dog photo. Those are blue tick hounds. They were fitted with radio collars and followed us through most of the hike.

    They were on the trail of a bear who had been killing some of the local rancher’s stock. Fortunately they did not locate the offending animal while we were there.

  333. Chuck58 August 22nd, 2010 at 7:43 am

    Good morning, Kate and MTU :-D
    Rainy here, with lightning, so no running.
    Plenty of time to goof off online.

  334. upstate kate August 22nd, 2010 at 7:45 am

    yes, dog lover that I am, they did catch my eye

  335. Chuck58 August 22nd, 2010 at 7:47 am

    Wow! What great scenery!

  336. Keith--FL August 22nd, 2010 at 7:47 am

    The guy from KC who shut us down last Sunday…Bullington…these are his #’s from his start last night vs. the White Sox
    Bullington 5.0 11 6 6 2 4 1 4.50

    How do we explain the Yankees inability to hit these unfamiliar pitchers and the offense’s overall tendencies to go into slumps for 3-4 games at a time multiple times this season…this worries me for the playoffs….

  337. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 7:50 am

    Kate-

    I figured.

    I don’t know if I posted these the other day. They are some other photos from an outing with Mrs. MTU for her birthday.

    She just loves animals.

    Though we were thousands of miles form NYC we still got to visit the 5 Borough’s. You will probably recognize some of the scenery in the background.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/cy.....Reservoir#

    :)

  338. Chuck58 August 22nd, 2010 at 7:52 am

    Keith, my guess is that the Yanks’ tendency to take pitches and drive a [known] pitcher crazy works in reverse when an unfamiliar pitcher takes the hill. They take pitches and get behind in the count and then, because of unfamiliarity, the pitcher has the edge.

  339. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 7:52 am

    Chuck-

    Not too shabby, eh ? :)

  340. Chuck58 August 22nd, 2010 at 7:54 am

    5 burros ;-) hahaha

    And the corral… is it a good corral?
    Nah, just O.K.

  341. Chuck58 August 22nd, 2010 at 7:54 am

    Very nice, MTU; I would love to hike out there :-)

  342. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 7:57 am

    Chuck-

    What’s holding you back ? I have an open invitation to all Lo Hudder’s
    to come visit and do some hiking out here. :)

  343. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Chuck-

    My wife and I have named them Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronx, Staten Island, and Queens. :)

  344. Chuck58 August 22nd, 2010 at 8:03 am

    Aww, that’s really cool! haha!
    Thankee for the invite – if’n I ever get out to that neck of the woods again, I’ll make it a point to stop on by [in Virginia Beach right now, so the commute is a bit lengthy].

  345. Chuck58 August 22nd, 2010 at 8:06 am

    Well, off to breakie… have a good morning, everyone.

  346. joeman August 22nd, 2010 at 8:44 am

    this team may be in trouble for sure….Pettitte is the key if he gets back healthy, AJ & Vas can’t be counted on and if Hughes is on a inning count (170) hes up to 134 now with somewhere around 8 starts left just in the regular season

  347. murphydog August 22nd, 2010 at 8:49 am

    The malignant dwarf chimes in on Clemens, without disclosing specifically that he’s close pals with McNamee’s lawyer. (Notice reference to a lawyer who’s familiar with both sides – betting my bottom dollar it’s Richard Emery). Too bad Loopy previously tipped that he’s friends with Mac’s attorney.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....r_pro.html

    Isn’t Loopy exactly the kind of guy that if you caught him with his pants down you’d treat him like, well, like he’s treating Clemens: No retreat, no surrender.

  348. blake August 22nd, 2010 at 8:57 am

    MTU,

    Best pics yet IMO…that’s a beautiful place.

    Assuming Pettite comes back (and I really see no reason why he wouldn’t be 100% by the postseason unless something is going on they aren’t telling us), I think the rotation will be ok. I have a lot of faith in CC and Andy and I’d also feel confident that Hughes would give the team a chance to win as well..AJ is a good roll the dice 4th starter….AJ despite his struggles is still capable of a dominant outing. If those 4 guys are healthy then I think that’s plenty enough to get it done….doesn’t guarantee anything, but they would have as good a chance as anyone.

    Hate I missed Nunez’s first hit yesterday. Looking forward to seeing Nova throw tomorrow.

  349. SJ44 August 22nd, 2010 at 9:02 am

    There is no trend to follow on what they do against unknown pitchers and relate it to post-season performance.

    In the past 2 weeks, they beat Lee and Verlander, two if the kind of pitchers they would face in the post-season.

    I would be more heartened by that than worrying about how they do against guys they won’t see in the post-season.

    What many people, especially the media, have yet to figure out is, what you do in the regular season means NOTHING for the post-season.

    It’s about health and playing well for 2 weeks.

    If you do that, you win. If you don’t, you won’t, regardless of how you play with numbers to try and make a point.

    Playoff baseball really is nothing more than a 2 week tournament.

    Making regular season results less impactful.

  350. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Blake-

    Good morning.

    Glad you enjoyed viewing them. It’s one of my top 10. I do it at least once a year.

    I agree with you as far as the playoff rotation. Andy is the key.

  351. 108 stitches August 22nd, 2010 at 9:07 am

    OK, joeman.

    Don’t worry about Andy Pettitte and just take the A train ………….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....&NR=1

  352. JCPD August 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Good stuff MTU

  353. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 am

    JCPD-

    Just imagine what a really good photographer could do with that subject. ;)

  354. austinmac August 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 am

    MTU,

    Fabulous photos. Utah?

  355. Fondo Motz August 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 am

    I’m still marvelling at MLB.com at Branyon’s moon shot yesterday. Regardless of who you root for, that was something else

  356. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Austin-

    Yes. 1st set is about an hour’s drive. The other about 1/2 an hour away.

    Still waiting for your spectacular photos of RMNP. :)

  357. Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Good morning all -

    We turned on the game at the bottom of the 7th inning yesterday (in the car, that is) just in time for the rally. Prior to the start of the hitting, though, we were trying to discern from the sound of the crowd what the game situation was. When we left home, it was tied at 4. Of course, John didn’t give the score, so we were reduced to listening to crowd sounds. There was a buzz, so we figured, they’re either tied or down one, but they’re still in the game, otherwise it would be quiet. it wasn’t until that first run scored that we found out how close to right we were! It was kind of fun playing “guess the score based on noise level.” :lol:

    Very happy for Nunez. Reading about him kissing the ball made me smile. It’s a great thing – first hit, first RBI, and game-winning RBI all in one swing.

    Then I came home and read that ARod is on the DL. I guess I can’t say I’m surprised, and given how Cano has really been able to step up every time ARod has missed time, I’m not as upset about it as I thought I might be. Better he heal completely and be ready for the stretch run and the playoffs than to take any chances – because you can’t trust any player (especially one who just felt like he was getting into a groove) to be objective about his physical condition. As an aside, my husband hurt his calf this summer playing tennis and really could do none of his regular workout for 6 weeks. Some upper body, but that was it. Now, I in no way want to compare. Just an anecdote.

    The only negative about DRob? Slow start, maybe? Last season and this it took a couple of months to get into a grove. But I could live with that if it means coming on this strong from mid-season to the end. I really like the low-keyed-ness of DRob. Love it.

    The rotation. Cashman really tried this off-season by getting Javy (a noted innings eater) to avoid the patch-work feeling of the past 2 to 3 seasons. And yet, here we are, once more, seeing some more patchwork. You can plan, but you never know what’s going to happen. I wonder if Javy will end up retiring. I so wanted him to succeed because I always liked him, and when he turned that corner earlier and was pitching so well (with no run support, so his record didn’t even get to reflect his success), i hoped it would last. His arm must be toast for him to be performing like this. It’s sad.

    Did the Rays end up winning last night?

  358. austinmac August 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 am

    MTU, I will send them today.

  359. pat August 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Tarp is on the field and it’s being held down by long wood boards so it sounds like they are expecting wind as well as rain.

  360. 86w183 August 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Rays won, Sawx won

    Javy has nothing on his fast ball and won’t throw a strike inside to a LH hitter which makes the change up much less effective. I’d DL him and see if the rest cures the “dead arm.”

    Right now the rotation is Sabathia and Hughes then start singing the blues

  361. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Austin-

    Thanks. Looking forward to it.

  362. Crawdaddy August 22nd, 2010 at 9:37 am

    “It’s about health and playing well for 2 weeks.

    If you do that, you win. If you don’t, you won’t, regardless of how you play with numbers to try and make a point.

    Playoff baseball really is nothing more than a 2 week tournament.

    Making regular season results less impactful.”

    Make that a 4 week tournament then I agree with you.

  363. pat August 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 am

    ?I think our team is stronger than last year?s team,? GM Brian Cashman said. ?When you judge yourself, your assessments are harsher whether it is the team doing it, the media or the fans. But I think if you take a step back, you see that we are deeper in pitching than last year, have a better defense and a terrific offense. I do agree, we have not maximized our potential, but we are still pretty damn good.?

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z0xLIhHBv9

  364. Yogi Mantle August 22nd, 2010 at 9:58 am

    86w183 August 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Rays won, Sawx won

    Javy has nothing on his fast ball and won’t throw a strike inside to a LH hitter which makes the change up much less effective. I’d DL him and see if the rest cures the “dead arm.”
    ____________
    This is probably why they are bringing up Nova. My guess would be that they want to see what he can do before they make a DL commitment. Its probably why there is no set schedule for the rotation.

    Javy has lost velocity on his FB, if he still is having “dead arm” issues then it means that playing through it hasn’t been working.

  365. CR9 August 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Good win for the Rays last night.

  366. Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 am

    86w183

    Thanks – didn’t hear the Rays score. Knew the Red Sox lost, but really I only care about the Rays right now. :)

    pat -

    We took the TPZ yesterday – oy. The bridge itself and 287 in Westchester were fine, but 287 on the west side of the Hudson was backed up to the GSP. You just can’t win!! :lol: However, on the way home, we made excellent time.

    I think Cashman’s assessment of the team is a fair one.

  367. SAS August 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Good morning all,

    Just catching up with all that went on since I went to bed last night.

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    MTU,

    You get up before the sun rises.

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    Doreen,

    I agree…it is maddening that John Sterling doesn’t give scores. When we are in the car and catch a game in the middle, I sometimes don’t know the score until I get back home…that’s and exaggeration, but…..

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    Somehow, I doubt we will get the game in today. I don’t know how the Yankees would make up a game with a Left Coast team

  368. Yogi Mantle August 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 am

    pat, I think the team will look a lot better once Andy returns to the rotation. Alex being out for a couple weeks might end up being a good thing for him. He has not played like “normal” this year, and might still be having some hip problems. The rest might rejuvenate him as well.

    The bullpen seems to have shown very good improvement as well.

    It won’t be too much longer till Berkman is back. Granderson seems like he is hitting much better now as well.

  369. Joe from Long Island August 22nd, 2010 at 10:09 am

    Good morning –

    Wet and dreary here on LI. With luck, the game will get played.

    Kate – sorry you saw a loss, but it looks like you made the best of it. Glad your little one had a good time, at least. The joys of youth.

    I really think Cash and Joe want to see how Nova does here, to determine Vaz’ fate. If Nova does ok, I’d bet a beer that Vaz goes on the DL with an arm problem. Then, his time will be up after rosters expand on Sept. 1. Even if it’s only a couple of starts for Nova, given how Tampa’s hanging around, that could be important. The rotation will be a greater determinant of who wins the division than Alex’ being on the DL. It always comes down to pitching.

    Off to the supermarket! See you for gametime.

  370. Fran the original August 22nd, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Good morning all. Hope they get the game in today.

    One thing the Yankees need to do on the off day is to separate AJ and Javy in the starting rotation. They are pitching back to back and killing the bullpen since neither starter has given the team any length.

    Off to run some errands. Catch you all later.

  371. upstate kate August 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Joe
    it was my husband’s mom we took! My little one is 19, and declined to go w/ us this time.

    just got back from a cold and rainy run…summer in the north country, gotta love it…or not!

  372. pat August 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Doreen

    287 on the Westchester side is usually good (or at least moving) except morning rush hours going east and evening rush hours going west.

    You’ll figure out the patterns, alternate routes and all the nooks and crannies the more you make the trip but feel free to ask if you need info.

    Harrison is the NY home to the past and present Yankee managers.

  373. ron August 22nd, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Montero’s ba is up too .285 & his ops is .851,he also threw out 2 baserunners.

    Man if he can catch for us,what an advantage.

  374. Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 10:23 am

    pat -

    “Harrison is the home to past and present Yankees managers.”

    No surprise there. Beautiful area. Very convenient to the highway. The home we visited yesterday, well, it was really nice. :)

  375. Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 10:26 am

    pat -

    Our GPS lady kept trying to detour us, but we suspected she was going to send us back down to the GWB (she seems to prefer the GWB). I’m going to have to study some maps before I trust her. :)

  376. SAS August 22nd, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Doreen,

    Unless you are going to a town right off the bridge, Never take the GWB. It is tied up all day and all night. Hopefully, we can get together for that coffee.

    Torre lived in Harrison. Girardi lived in Armonk as a player. I don’t know where he lives now. I live in Armonk. I met Jeff Nelson’s wife in the post office one day. Bernie Williams also lived here.
    Not having any kids in school, I don’t know the recent gossip.

  377. SAS August 22nd, 2010 at 10:36 am

    pat,

    If you want to head up north, maybe the 3 of us could get together.

  378. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 10:41 am

    SAS-

    Maine told me that if I want to be a dairy farmer that i needed to have all the cows milked before sunrise. :)

    Actually, I’m hurtin’ enough from yesterday’s adventure that I didn’t sleep too well. It’s the price of doin’ buisness.

  379. SAS August 22nd, 2010 at 10:44 am

    MTU,

    Try a couple of Advil or don’t you do drugs????

  380. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 10:48 am

    SAS-

    Is alchohol a drug ? Already took your advice. A day of rest is all I really need. Gonna settle in and watch CC shutdown Seattle. That will put a big smile on my face. :)

  381. SAS August 22nd, 2010 at 10:56 am

    MTU,

    Hope you are right about settling and watching CC. The weather is not good at all here. It has already rained, and it is supposed to rain again. To use baseball parlance, maybe there will be a window they can play through.

  382. Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 10:56 am

    SAS -

    One of these days I’d love to meet for a coffee. It’s probably best for me to wait until my youngest goes back to school. Love it if pat could make it, too.

  383. pat August 22nd, 2010 at 10:56 am

    art_stapleton

    Yankees lineup Sunday:
    Jeter 6 Swisher 9 Teixeira 3 Cano 4 Thames DH Posada 2 Kearns 7 Gardner 8 Nunez 5 Sabathia 1

  384. jmonteforte August 22nd, 2010 at 10:57 am

    The player to be named later in the Kearns deal is Zach McAllister (reference Baseball America).

  385. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 11:04 am

    I wouldn’t count on this game gettining in today. There’s a line of heavy rain from NYC down to just north of Richmond. VA. If it does get started, it’ll be an off and on thing, so starting and losing Sabathia isn’t a good idea. Start Mitre and piece it together.

  386. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 10:56 am
    SAS -

    One of these days I’d love to meet for a coffee. It’s probably best for me to wait until my youngest goes back to school. Love it if pat could make it, too.

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    You girls should be kind and help Erica get over the passing of her pet frog, Kermit. Invite her for lunch.

    p.s. Probably wouldn’t be a smart thing to order frog’s legs.

  387. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 11:09 am

    As to Cash’s comments, I generally agree………….but the offense simply is not as good as last year. The potential remains for them to be dynamic, but it’s late in the game to be waiting for that. The pitching is better, but that was based largely on the first half of the season; without Andy, and with Javy and AJ’s struggles………..well, it hasn’t been that great. The pen has been outstanding.

    If Andy comes back and pitches solidly, then I think in the playoffs we’d be “ok” with Phil as #3 and AJ as #4. Phil is an unknown, but most pitchers he’d be facing as the #3 starter are unknowns. As a #4, AJ is a good guy to throw out there because he’s capable of dominating. Andy NEEDS to come back – and the fact that it’s taking him a lot longer than a norman grade 1 strain is worrisome. Hopefully he’ll come back and be fine…………

  388. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 11:11 am

    I’d hate to start and then lose CC…………but I’m not sure I would scratch him in favor of Mitre. The weather has a funny way of not living up to expectations; with the Yanks luck, Mitre would start and the rain would hold off. Also, this game will get in because the Ms are not coming back again; the umps will wait until tomorrow to get this played

  389. pat August 22nd, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Doreen

    We have GPS conflict in our family. I hate it.

    Years of being an on the road salesperson has taught me when in doubt find a pizzeria or a chinese take-out if you need directions. They deliver so they know how to get places.

    Travelling in lower Westchester 101- The Cross County Parkway and 287 are the 2 main east/west thoroughfares. Most all other main thoroughfares go north/south.

  390. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 11:15 am

    GB-

    I know you haven’t been out as much lately but I thought you would at least know that they don’t serve frog’s legs at Starbucks. So it’s cool Erica won’t be traumatized any more than she already has been. :)

  391. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Betsy, the umpires have no control of the game until line-up cards are exchanged. The home team does.

  392. mick August 22nd, 2010 at 11:17 am

    If Nova pitches half-way decent we can say goodbye to Javy, hello DL, where he should have been in 04 , if he were honest.

  393. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 11:18 am

    GB, but I don’t think the Yankees are going to call the game………….they never do. Also, they’d have to make the game up down the line – during a precious off day or after the season? I don’t see that happening.

  394. SJ44 August 22nd, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Last year at this time, the pitching was in worse shape than it is now. You had Joba and Gaudin as the 4th and 5th starters and aside from Hughes in front of Mo, the bullpen was a big question mark.

    The offense? Damon didn’t hit a lick in September. Swisher struggled, and Melky was coming down to earth bigtiime.

    Jeter was obviously having a much better year last year.

    The competition is also MUCH better this year. Tampa is not only much better this year. They are better than the Red Sox of last year.

    Every year turns out differently. That’s the beauty of sports.

    The Yankees are right in the thick of things. Can’t ask for much more than that at this time.

  395. Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 11:20 am

    pat -

    Thanks – good information.

    My husband and I argue more when we’re using the GPS than when we don’t. She’s not a good thing all the time!

    In California, she kept trying to take us off “The 5″ and onto side roads in places that didn’t look so hot. Plus, yesterday, because it was a “BR” abbreviation she told us to take the Whitestone Branch exit, and when we were heading to San Francisco, again because of an abbreviation, she told us we were approaching Saint Francis. :lol:

  396. mick August 22nd, 2010 at 11:22 am

    If anyone has noticed, in post game interviews, maybe because the are usually unsuccessfull . Javy, AJ and Joba come across as apologetic. Andy and CC are generally positive.

    Wonder, could that have something to do with mindset going into a game?

    That’s prolly harder to change than mechanics, a lifetime of negative thinking.

  397. JM August 22nd, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Strangely, I live about an hour south of the city on the coast and it’s barely rained here at all. So maybe they can get the game in?

    MTU–

    A bit late to the party this morning but wanted to say how much I enjoyed all your photos, especially the five burros/boroughs.

  398. mick August 22nd, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Doreen, has your GPS been drinking?

  399. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 11:24 am

    Last year seems so long ago that I can’t even remember all the details…..Damon was bad in September; in fact he was bad through the ALDS – and so was Tex. In terms of offense, the Yankees struggled in that series……..it was their pitching that kept them in it.

    The thing with the pitching is that they had built up a sizeable lead; Gaudin was actually pretty good – Joba was Joba – but they could afford those two guys anchoring the back of the rotation. As you said, the competition is much better this year – and AJ is worse. This is going to be an extremely tight race all the way to the end so it is imperative that Andy come back and that AJ can at least be competitive.

  400. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 11:26 am

    I thought the pen last year, once Phil entered the picture, was good………

  401. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 11:26 am

    MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 11:15 am
    GB-

    I know you haven’t been out as much lately but I thought you would at least know that they don’t serve frog’s legs at Starbucks. So it’s cool Erica won’t be traumatized any more than she already has been.

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    Can you picture Erica going to Starbuck’s, flouncing in and whipping out her Kermit The Frog coffee mug, and saying, “Fill ‘er up.”. They hand her the filled mug back, she pays, and the cashier (who is devilishly handsome, wears a green beret and has a mustache) and says (in a deep baritone voice), “Have a nice day.” As she smiles and giggles and walks away, from back at the counter she hears “Ribitt, Ribitt”.

  402. mick August 22nd, 2010 at 11:29 am

    SJ44 August 22nd, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Last year at this time, the pitching was in worse shape than it is now. You had Joba and Gaudin as the 4th and 5th starters and aside from Hughes in front of Mo, the bullpen was a big question mark
    ===================
    The one variable though, is Andy.
    Without him, we have no shot.

  403. SJ44 August 22nd, 2010 at 11:29 am

    In reading some of the Hughes stuff in this thread, I often wonder what more some people want from the guy?

    No 24 year old first full season starting pitcher has 4 pitches. Not a single one.

    The most important thing a player can do, especially a young player, is to find something that works and stick to it.

    A pre-game pattern. In game adjustments. Pitching or hitting patterns that work well for them, etc.

    Once you find that successful formula, THEN you add to it.

    Its not about Hughes having a refined changeup right now.

    Will he need it down the road? Absolutely. Does he need it now to succeed? Absolutely not.

    CC Sabathia did not perfect his changeup, and feature it, until his FIFTH year in the league.

    He was a fastball/slider pitcher, everything hard, in his first 3+ years in the league.

    Began to add the curveball in Year 4, and evolved into the pitcher he is today (full reportoire of pitches) in Year 5.

    In fact, he won the Cy Young as a two pitch pitcher.

    Hughes has exceeded every realistic expectation this year and he is continuing to evolve as a pitcher.

    Hard to ask for anymore than that.

    AJ Burnett is in his 11th year as a pro and he is no different a pitcher than he was as a rookie.

    Hughes has made more adjustments this year than AJ has made his entire career.

    Something he should be given credit for, IMO.

  404. upstate kate August 22nd, 2010 at 11:29 am

    have to disagree w/ you there Mick…win or lose, Andy is always hard on himself

    is there a frog joke I am missing?

  405. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 11:30 am

    I’m sorry I read that Joel Sherman article…………it’s depressing.

  406. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 11:31 am

    JM-

    Thanks. My pleasure. We go by the five burro’s from time to time. Mrs. MTU thinks they are really cute and enjoys seeing them.:)

  407. SAS August 22nd, 2010 at 11:31 am

    I find the GPS works best when driving cross country where you don’t know where you are. Since we do this 2x a year, I have found it is very for that. However, when you know an area intimately, there are often side roads you can take locally.

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    Doreen,

    We are going to Arizona on the 24th of September until about a week before Thanksgiving which is the family holiday we host. Then we drive back to AZ for the winter,so let’s try for September.

  408. mick August 22nd, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Up. Kate

    Yes he is but in a positive way.
    not a perplexed borderline dumb way as the others .
    they aren’t in his class as pitchers and their thought process is part of the problem, a big part.

  409. murphydog August 22nd, 2010 at 11:32 am

    I have the same GPS as Doreen, I think. I also have it set to the female American English voice.

    Let me tell you about her. She sounds very attractive, but can be ignorant and domineering. She once told me to get off the FDR and take the exit for “Brooklyn Brother” (Brooklyn Bridge). She has also told me to take the “Cross Company Parkway” (Cross County). If I stray from the chosen route, she will do everything in her power to get me back on the route she picked, even waiting several exists so I forgot I was going a different way and then making me do something she knows I don’t want to do, instead of just taking the hint and letting me go the way I want to go. I mean, I’m doing the driving. I mean, for criminy sake, why the heck can’t she just shut up, you know?

    I really don’t think it’s going to work out. It’s not her, it’s me.

  410. Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 11:33 am

    upstate kate -

    I agree with that – Andy will always look for what he could have done better; actually most of them will focus on what they did wrong rather than what they did right. As for being apologetic in post-games, any other stance would get them lambasted by the media (Ian Kennedy anyone?), plus they probably feel really, really bad about losing a game, no?

  411. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 11:34 am

    upstate kate August 22nd, 2010 at 11:29 am
    have to disagree w/ you there Mick…win or lose, Andy is always hard on himself

    is there a frog joke I am missing?

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    Kate, Erica’s pet frog passed away and she’s in mourning. Just trying to cheer her up.

  412. mick August 22nd, 2010 at 11:35 am

    Murph, any chance you can gag your GPS, she sounds like a real bossy type.
    Jealous of the wife?

  413. SJ44 August 22nd, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Very few people trusted Marte and Robertson going into the stretch run and the post-season last year.

    Hughes was a “sure thing” in the pen until the post-season and then he struggled.

    Joba gave them little in the post-season.

    My point is, stuff happens and you deal with it.

    There are no sure things.

    AJ Burnett won the biggest game of the Yankees season last year…..Game 2 of the WS.

    If he doesn’t come up big in that game, they don’t win the WS.

    The whole key is getting to the post-season.

    Once you get there, ANYBODY is capable of helping this team win.

    As we saw last year from guys like Marte and Burnett for example.

  414. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 11:36 am

    SJ, that’s a very good point about Phil making adjustments; I believe Jorge raved about him after the Boston game for that reason. Bob Klapisch mentioned in a recent article that he’s got the composure and maturity of a 30 something, not a 20 something and I think lately that’s been commented on by other mediots (Davidoff, even Sherman in recent tweet – though from his recent article he’s lumping Phil in with AJ and Javy).

    I have been unreasonably harsh on him and I’m not sure why – I’m done with that.

    Rich does like Phil a lot – he’s very high on him. I don’t like judging players on one stat………and I don’t believe numbers can encapsulate everything about a player’s performance. Yes, I get that ERA+ is some great stat because it takes into account league and park averages, but it doesn’t include road performances (which hurts Phil because, this year, he’s better on the road) and it doesn’t take into account extraneous factors (like being 24, first full year starting, having the pressure to hold up in the rotation thanks to Javy and AJ’s failures, etc………)

  415. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 11:37 am

    GB-

    Erica wasn’t even a glimmer in her parents’ eyes yet when Buster Brown’s show was airing on TV so I think we’re safe.

    Or at least the guy is. ;)

  416. mick August 22nd, 2010 at 11:38 am

    being hard on yourself can actually lead to improvement
    perhaps if the others were more like Andy they wouldn’t make the same mistakes over and over again

  417. murphydog August 22nd, 2010 at 11:38 am

    mick:

    The wife sticks up for her, gets mad when I deviate from the route. They do tend to stick together, no?

  418. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 11:40 am

    I was shocked by Phil’s struggles and equally shocked by Marte’s performance; no question we don’t win without his work in the pen – he and D-Rob were the only ones we could trust outside of Mo.

    I haven’t forgotten AJ’s work in game #2. He’s unbelievably inconsistent, but he came up huge when we needed him, so he’s capable. As a #4 starter in the playoffs he’s acceptable because he could dominate; if he struggles, the odds are the Yanks would hit the other team’s #4 – and our pen could hold the fort. The problem is that AJ last year settled down in September; right now, he’s a mess.

  419. mick August 22nd, 2010 at 11:40 am

    If he doesn’t come up big in that game, they don’t win the WS.
    ==========================================
    Like they didn’t in 96?
    I wouldn’t bury them after game 2, even down 0-2.
    Andy is still the key this year.

  420. mick August 22nd, 2010 at 11:41 am

    without a doubt, murph, without a shadow of a doubt, can you blame them?

  421. CR9 August 22nd, 2010 at 11:42 am

    murphy

    Hilarious!! Any Lupica-related news today?

  422. mick August 22nd, 2010 at 11:45 am

    i could just imagine your wife and the GPS ganging up on you, Murph.
    Next time she tells you to take a right off the Brooklyn Bridge, I would put the signal on and see if your wife defends her then.

  423. blake August 22nd, 2010 at 11:45 am

    Sounds like ESPN is reporting that Pinella is retiring after today’s game…not the end of the season.

  424. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 11:46 am

    I think there were rumors that the Yankees wanted Sweet Lou back in the organization………………….I would love that as well.

  425. Nick in SF August 22nd, 2010 at 11:46 am

    I have an announcement.

    I am retiring after today’s Cubs-Braves game.

    Thank you.

  426. Howe Farr August 22nd, 2010 at 11:47 am

    the problem with phil hughes, or better said, the fans is how pete abe kept calling him the phranchise at the age of 20. Phil Hughes is and will be a very good pitcher for years to come, and hopefully with the yankees, but to proclaim a pitcher on a very successful team, the phranchise is ridiculous. The yankees aren’t the Nats or a basketball team. The yankees never needed or will need a “franchise player”
    Take Jeter for example, the yankee turnaround didn’t happen because of Jeter, in fact, if Jeter wouldn’t have been drafted by the yankees, i suspect they still would have had a dominant stretch during the 90′s. If Michael Jordan would have been drafted by the Trailblazers instead of the Bulls, the bulls wouldn’t have won a single championship.
    Lower your expectations of Phil Hughes, he is the best pitcher to come up from the yankees farm system since Andy Pettitte. Lets leave it at that.

  427. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 11:48 am

    You know, I’m starting to hope the Yankees kick butt the rest of the way for more than just the obvious reasons. Today is “Yankees are old and have flaws and can’t possibly win because Phil has innings limits and is a question mark and CC is the only reliable pitcher” day in the media.

  428. SJ44 August 22nd, 2010 at 11:48 am

    The Phillies were a better team, especially at home, than the ’96 Braves.

    The Yankees bullpen last year was also not as good as the ’96 bullpen. Not even close.

    That’s the biggest difference.

    AJ saved their season last year.

    Hard to argue otherwise.

  429. pat August 22nd, 2010 at 11:49 am

    There’s been a lull in the rain for the last 30 minutes but the wind is still whipping 10 miles north of the Stadium.

  430. Howe Farr August 22nd, 2010 at 11:49 am

    “There are no sure things.”

    No better example of that is Graeme Lloyd in the 1996 playoffs

  431. blake August 22nd, 2010 at 11:51 am

    Re the rotation:

    Pettite has a month and a half still to heal from a non-arm related injury. If it was his arm then I’d be more concerned but unless something else is going on that we aren’t being told about then I would think he should be good to go come October.

    Assuming that’s true then I really like he, CC, and Hughes atop the rotation. You match AJ up against the opposing #4 and take your chances there…..Pettite is the wild card here but if he gets back then the Yanks should be in as good a shape as anyone else is IMO.

  432. mick August 22nd, 2010 at 11:52 am

    I really find it defeatist thinking the Yanks were dead if they lost game 2.

  433. pat August 22nd, 2010 at 11:52 am

    “The wife sticks up for her, gets mad when I deviate from the route. They do tend to stick together, no?”

    Not me! A GPS is like paying someone to back seat drive and it’s annoying enough when someone does it for free.

  434. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Blake, I think so too – and good point about Andy. We’re still weeks away from the 2nd/3rd week in September where Joe said he’d be concerned if he wasn’t pitching by then….

  435. SJ44 August 22nd, 2010 at 11:53 am

    You worry way too much about what the media has to say about the Yankees Betsy.

    Having the media writing love poems about the Yankees sells ZERO papers.

    You don’t need media validation on how good this team is.

    They have the best record in baseball and, as of today, are the favorites to win the WS.

    Hard to ask for more on August 22.

    Every team in baseball, including the “gritty” (sarcasm) Boston Red Sox would gladly take the Yankees “problems” right now.

  436. pat August 22nd, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Pinella stepping down effective today “for family reasons”.

    Mike Quade to manage the remainder of the year.

  437. JM August 22nd, 2010 at 11:55 am

    What I remember too about the playoffs is that Arod and CC really carried the team through the first couple of rounds. Tex, Cano, Swish, Melky were mostly non-factors. Damon and Matsui struggled until the Series. Jeter was very good, though, if I am remembering correctly.

  438. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    SJ, I do………….that’s why I’m making an early Jewish New Year’s resolution (not that there is such a thing, but I’m making one up anyway) to avoid reading this stuff. I wanted to read the context of that quote from Cashman, so I clicked on the link.. bad move, lol. No more of that for me………… the Yankees are going to win or lose on the field and it doesn’t matter what these guys predict. I was thinking though that, boy – if the Yankees are this bad, how bad must the Rays be? They are a game behind us, lol

  439. m August 22nd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Hey, yo!

    If Andy can’t come back (big if), then I feel comfortable with Phil as the number 2. Of course based on history, AJ will be 2.

    If this is the staff we’re stuck with, Moseley is my 4th. Unless he can be skipped in a particular round. We’re not cooked. It’s baseball. That’s why you play the games.

  440. SJ44 August 22nd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Since I believe the ’96 team is the only Yankees team in the history of the franchise that has lost the first two games at home and won the WS its not defeatist to think the odds were extremely slim they would have won the series if not for AJ’s efforts in Game 2.

  441. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 11:58 am

    JM, you’re exactly right……….

    I hope for the best with Sweet Lou…………..

  442. murphydog August 22nd, 2010 at 11:58 am

    CR9:

    The loopyca news is that he is really happy that Clemens got indicted. Really happy, his little feet swinging as he sits in his high chair. Can’t say I agree.

    The indictment of Roger Clemens means you cannot lie to Congress because it shows disrespect for that august body in the course of performing their fiduciary duties to We, the People. On the other hand, there’s a doctrine called “unclean hands.” It means that if you’ve all agreed to play a crooked game, nobody has the moral right to complain, certainly not Selig and certainly not the ethically challenged United States Congress. Indicting Roger Clemens for lying to Congress is funny. It’s the ultimate version of the pot calling the kettle black.

    Look, I know that when ten cars are speeding and only you are caught, you were still speeding. That’s OK with most of us when the charge is speeding because nobody but your insurance company cares that you were speeding. The balance of interests changes however when selective targeting results from shameful episodes like the “investigation” that puked up the Mitchell Report. A bum like Brian McNamee becomes the hero because he had a big name to trade for his misdeeds. Clemens became one of several high profile players stuck holding the bag for MLB. Pettitte took the hit and walked away. But Clemens said, in effect, “I’m a scapegoat after everything I’ve done in the game? Where’s everybody else that supposedly ruined the game? Screw Selig and those jerks in Congress.”

    Fact: Congress is the least respected institution of American Government, with John Edwards and Charlie Rangel the two latest petty crooks and pathological liars serving in the rogue’s gallery of Government. You really have to ask yourself whether lying to liars and thieves is really lying, or merely doing as the Romans when in Rome? I don’t see how prosecuting Clemens defends Congress’ integrity. It’s like a hooker wearing a white dress when she walks down the aisle. It doesn’t change the girl wearing it.

    Sportsillustrated.cnn.com had an excellent column on Friday by Michael McCann on how Clemens’ lawyer can win. But in addition to tough cross-examination and artfully threading the needle of ‘what Roger knew and when he knew it,’ let’s hope that Rusty Hardin can carefully achieve one other thing: jury nullification, i.e., a defendant being found not guilty despite strong proof of guilt. We have Freedom of the Press today because in 1735, John Peter Zenger’s Philadelphia lawyer, Andrew Hamilton, convinced a New York jury that they should disregard the law of libel and tell the Government to go to hell. Finding Clemens not guilty after trial would be a genuine case of “speaking truth to power.” Hardin has to make the Clemens trial the final verdict on the spineless Commissioner and the fraudulent Mitchell Report. He should invite the jury to affirm the growing public dissatisfaction with an ineffectual, bloated and conniving Government, a bunch that spends our money investigating how grown men play a kid’s game.

    I’m going to do my part. I’m finding the nearest custom T-shirt shop. Then I’m putting a picture of Clemens on one along with the words, “Free Roger.”

  443. Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 11:59 am

    murphydog -

    That’s her!!! I guess she’s two-timing us. I knew she wasn’t trustworthy. :lol:

    pat -

    Yup – GPS – the ultimate, consummate, back-seat driver. She has limited value.

  444. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 11:59 am

    I think that series would have been over as well had the Yankees lost……….but it didn’t come to that. The 1996 WS was fantastic, but that was a rare thing. Most teams that lose 2 games at home are going to find it very difficult to come back and win the WS.

  445. SAS August 22nd, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Wow, Pinella is leaving before the season is over. I find that shocking. I hope it is nothing serious, but I have to believe it is.

  446. mick August 22nd, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    I still like Andy in the 3 spot but he will prolly be moved to 2.
    Wish AJ could be trusted at 2, prefer Phil at 4.

  447. blake August 22nd, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    it seems like to me the easiest way for the media to currently cast doubt about the Yanks is to question Pettite and his health. To me I just don’t see it…its a groin pull, not elbow or shoulder trouble and its mid August not mid September…of course its not a sure thing that he comes back healthy but I’m just not overly concerned at this point….if this is still going on a month from now then we can talk about it.

  448. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Did anybody see Roger Bernandina’s catch yesterday for Washington? Running to the left center field wall and getting off the ground about 6 feet and to take a homer away from Howard. That kid can play some kind of defense and now he’s starting to hit.

    http://washington.nationals.ml.....8;c_id=was

  449. Nick in SF August 22nd, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Bring back the Moose.

  450. Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    About Andy -

    He talks a lot about how important his legs are. Though this is not an arm-related injury, it is almost a double-whammy. He has to be careful with his legs, and that limits what he can do to keep his arm in shape, too. I’m not expecting pre-injury Andy when he comes come. I’m expecting him to tire early and not be able to give the same distance he was giving. I’m hoping that in those more restricted appearances, he’s just as good, though. And a good thing is the bullpen is better now than before he got hurt. But a bad thing is Javy and Moselely don’t give innings; Hughes has his limit so we don’t really with that; and though AJ gives innings even when he stinks, that’s not great either.

  451. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Blake, that and that the Yankees look old and tired. Given that the Rays are a game behind us, how much is their youth doing for them?

  452. mick August 22nd, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    # SJ44 August 22nd, 2010 at 11:57 am

    Since I believe the ‘96 team is the only Yankees team in the history of the franchise that has lost the first two games at home and won the WS its not defeatist to think the odds were extremely slim they would have won the series if not for AJ’s efforts in Game 2.

    ==============
    SJ, check out the 58 Yankees.

  453. mick August 22nd, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    ok 1st 2 games at home, you got me.

  454. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Phil will be skipped a time or two…………outside of that, he can go as deep into games as he’s capable of doing (unless it’s a blowout game in the Yanks favor).

    I just want Andy full strength by the playoffs; if he can only give us 6 innings in his first starts back, no problem.

  455. Yogi Mantle August 22nd, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    With Pinella already having announced his upcoming retirement, and with the way the Cubs have been doing, I wouldn’t think it all that hard a decision to call it day if there were some circumstances that would be best handled by being there.

    Its a sad way to go out though.

  456. CB August 22nd, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    This happens every season.

    There’s a generic story that gets written about how the yankees have “holes” or some kind o weaknesses which are micro-dissected.

    The yankees have holes. How is this a revelation. Of course they do.

    All of those stories make an implicit assumption that there’s some perfect team out there or that you can develop a team that by August will have zero defects.

    But that’s absolutely impossible. No team can be perfect – especially 120 games into the season.

    The Yankees have the best shot to win. But in no way does that mean they are guaranteed to win. That’s about the sum of it right now.

    There is never going to be a zero defect baseball team. The 1927 yankees had weaknesses. The 1998 yankees had weaknesses.

    Too often yankee fans get caught up in this notion that you really can put a zero defect team on the field. It’s just not possible.

    What is possible is to have a team that has fewer defects than other teams. And that’s what the yankees have.

  457. Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    That last I’d heard was Piniella’s mother was ill. I’d guess this has something to do with that.

  458. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    “For family reasons” is manager speak for “I just couldn’t stomach watching these dogs trying to play baseball anymore.”

  459. SJ44 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    If Andy can’t come back, it certainly makes the road much tougher.

    If that’s the case, it just means somebody else has to contribute.

    He could come back and be completely ineffective.

    Like I said earlier, there are no guarantees in sports.

    Right now, its about doing whatever it takes to make the post-season. Preferably, as the AL East Champion.

    After that, whomever is on the post-season roster has to do what they can to contribute to winning it again.

  460. comet August 22nd, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    MTU let me add my accolades to the those already out there! Great Pictures.

  461. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    It’s only the Yankees who have to be perfect; the Rays don’t………..the Rangers don’t, the NL teams don’t..

  462. pat August 22nd, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Dodgers think they are still in the mix?

    Rod Barajas awarded to them on waiver claim.

  463. RhapsodyInBlue August 22nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Very good Murphydog, I’m with you.

  464. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Right, but some of the media are noting that the Yankees can’t quite do whatever it takes because of Phil’s innings limits…………….that’s about the only good point they are making

  465. CR9 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Murphy

    Thanks! I’m glad we’re on the same page regarding Roger! He deserves nothing but love.

    Personally, I loved the high-chair line! :lol:

  466. murphydog August 22nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Piniella is retiring because he’s out of gas I think. He’s not helping anyone by sticking around if he’s lost the will to win. Reminds me of Mike Hargrove when he quit the Mariners during a winning streak. He was just done.

  467. MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Comet-

    Thanks. Enjoy doing it. Time for you to visit Utah so you can see some of it for yourself. :)

  468. Joe from Long Island August 22nd, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    murphydog – wow, I’m honestly impressed by that little essay there. I guess you have some experience with both the law and writing, huh ;). Honestly, I could never have come up with a piece of writing like that, but it 100% sums up my feelings about Congress in general, and this episode in particular.

    I think that from a strict risk-management perspective, Roger might have done better to be a bit more circumspect, humble, and careful in his congressional testimony. However, that wouldn’t have been Cowboy Clemens. It’s almost that he honestly feels he’s done no wrong, and nobody – least of all a lowlife like McNamee, who made a lot of $$$ when he was doing his “training”, I’m sure. Funny how some people come to find religion.

    Anyway, from what I’ve read Rusty Hardin is a good a Texas lawyer as there is. He might well be capable of pulling of the show necessary for the jury to acquit.

    A trial lawyer once told me “When the facts are on your side, you present the facts. When you don’t have facts, you go with emotions.”

  469. Crawdaddy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    The price of being a Yankee fan is to have unfair criticisms placed on the team that no other team has to put up with.

    Betsy,

    As much information gets share here and that other board you post on, why even read the papers when the only thing they do is upset you. I rarely read any columns unless they’re written by the beat writer. I have no interest what some columinist has to say especially if they’re an idiot like that Flip Bondy character.

  470. Purenyyankee August 22nd, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Chad:
    What’s up today? Starting ontime? Lineups? No news?

  471. GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    How hypocritical that somebody would be indicted for lying in Congress….except for the Congress itself.

  472. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    Craw, you’re right…… and I’m stopping this garbage starting today. I think I’ll be a lot happier, lol………and really, why am I letting the Sherman’s of the world affect how I feel? I think after 30 something years, it won’t be so easy for me to let go, but I’ll get there eventually.

    As to Clemens, the only thing I’ll say is that I am very conflicted. I became a huge fan of his when he was a Yankee and I believe he’s still a decent guy. He’s got outsized flaws and outsized virtures – and it’s sad that this is what it has come down to for him, but he brought it on himself. He’s flushed a truly legendary career down the drain…………….

  473. CR9 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    “The price of being a Yankee fan is to have unfair criticisms placed on the team that no other team has to put up with. ”

    Crawdaddy,

    I understand the sentiment, but that doesn’t make it fair or right. Are you aware of another team that leads a league in titles – perhaps the NBA titles leader? They don’t receive the same harsh treatment.

    It has nothing to do with the Yankees and their titles. It has to do with New York

  474. Crawdaddy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Betsy,

    I see the headlines and if I think it’s taking a slant like that Bondy article, I won’t even read it. I stopped reading Loopeeka years ago. Harper I read a little, but not today’s article. Sherman I read more of his blog posting than his actual articles. The Daily News is not my favorite read for the Yankees and their beat writer hasn’t been good since he left the MLB.com

    There is so much information posted here and on other sites, you can get away with not reading any of those media articles and know exactly what’s going on with the Yankees and baseball.

  475. Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Well-stated as usual, murphydog.

  476. SAS August 22nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    GB,

    I agree 100%

  477. Asd August 22nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Is it just me, or is it weird that with a half hour till the game we’ve not had a single post all day?

  478. Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Every other fanbase is allowed to enjoy their teams successes. Not here. Even when our team is going well, we are treated to pieces on what’s wrong with them – if it’s not on the field, it’s management. There’s always something to carp about.

    I’m not about putting my head in the sand, but why, when the Yankees are a winning team, are in first place, are really dealing with their flaws and holes fairly well, why are we not allowed to enjoy that? At least in local newspapers?

    I think part of the problem is many NY papers are not locally-minded. They don’t want to seem provincial.

  479. murphydog August 22nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Joe from Long Island

    [A trial lawyer once told me “When the facts are on your side, you present the facts. When you don’t have facts, you go with emotions.”]

    Or… When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff. — Cicero.

    The Zenger case is pretty fascinating. 1735, New York is an English colony, Zenger is a printer – not a writer – and mechanically “publishes” criticism of the way New York was being run. He was guilty as heck, on both the facts and the law. But the Government was seeking to use the law purely to silence criticism of the Government. The lawyer argued that the truth had to be a defense to libel even though it wasn’t a defense recognized by law. The jury got it. If you couldn’t speak the truth to power, there would not be much left. So the jury “nullified” the law and in so doing changed the law and let Zenger off and sent Government a message that it was grossly out of touch with the people.

    It’s ironic at best to cite Zenger in the Clemens matter, because Zenger printed the truth and Clemens (probably) lied. My argument, however, is that the jury should let Roger off because nobody else has to cojones to step up and say “enough already.” Bullies like Congress and Selig/MLB should be slapped down. Let Roger live with the consequences regarding the Hall of Fame. Enough with the sword fight already, the Government trying to prove it’s got a bigger “sword” than Clemens.

  480. Crawdaddy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    “Crawdaddy,

    I understand the sentiment, but that doesn’t make it fair or right. Are you aware of another team that leads a league in titles – perhaps the NBA titles leader? They don’t receive the same harsh treatment.

    It has nothing to do with the Yankees and their titles. It has to do with New York”

    CR9,

    Who ever told you life is suppose to be fair or rightous? I can’t change the media rules regarding the Yankees so I don’t worry about them and prefer to utilize my energies in a more productive manner that makes me happy instead of unhappy.

  481. RhapsodyInBlue August 22nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Clemens is accused of lying to Henry Waxman’s house committee.

    The same Henry Waxman who stonewalled the Chinagate investigation allowing 94 people to plea the 5th, to refuse to testify or flee the country.

    The evil doer Roger Clemens more of a big fish to focus on.

    Our tax dollars at work.

  482. CR9 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    The 1980s Yankees had the best record of any MLB team. They just suffered bad luck – and no wild card.

  483. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    Craw, generally that’s how it works with me. That Cash quote was inside the Sherman article, so I was kind of forced to read it. I didn’t click on the Bondy article from yesterday – he’s a know-nothing. Lupica? He’s toast as a writer and has been for years. I do think Davidoff is pretty good even though I don’t always agree with what he says. As to the Post – if I like the topics on Sherman’s blog, I’ll read it. Otherwise, no. Larry Brooks? Go back to covering hockey. Mike Vaccaro? I wasn’t going to read his article today.

    I find a lot of stuff just by googling – stuff I want to find and then negative stuff like this.

  484. SJ44 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    Doreen,

    The media feeds the paranoia of too many in the fan base.

    Its why are still panicked about the Red Sox, a team on the fringes of the race.

    You state it well. Too many Yankee fans don’t take the time to enjoy their team.

    It doesn’t make you pollyanna. It makes you a realist.

  485. Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Asd -

    It’s unusual.

  486. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    The 1980′s Yankees had no pitching…………….it wasn’t bad luck that prevented them from making the playoffs. Joe Cowley? Steve Trout? Andy Hawkins?

  487. Crawdaddy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    “The 1980s Yankees had the best record of any MLB team. They just suffered bad luck – and no wild card.

    More like not enough quality pitching!

  488. SAS August 22nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Murphysdog,

    You said what I tried to say to Trisha, but failed…so eloquently. It is exactly the way I feel. Thanks so much for putting into words what I have been thinking right along.

  489. Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    I suspect Brian Heyman is at it today…………..

  490. murphydog August 22nd, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Doreen:

    “I think part of the problem is many NY papers are not locally-minded. They don’t want to seem provincial.”

    1. Controversy/scandal sells. Take a pretty girl (or guy) and find a blemish, sell a copy of the paper.

    2. If a journo fails to find something wrong, they are accused of being “in the tank” for Cash and the Steinbrenners. Professional death (what a “homer”) follows quickly.

  491. CR9 August 22nd, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    “Who ever told you life is suppose to be fair or rightous? I can’t change the media rules regarding the Yankees so I don’t worry about them and prefer to utilize my energies in a more productive manner that makes me happy instead of unhappy.”

    Crawdaddy

    As for your second statement, I wholeheartedly agree. I no longer watch ESPN – for the most part – and I no longer read articles about the Yankees outside of this site and its comments section.

    As for your first statement, life is not fair – for the most part. However, many people use sports as an outlet from reality. It’s not right that their outlet is marred by biased media/officiating.

    Ironically, in my case, life has treated me well and the only unfair thing in my life is sports!

  492. Crawdaddy August 22nd, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    “You state it well. Too many Yankee fans don’t take the time to enjoy their team.”

    SJ,

    I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s surprising to see how many Yankee fans appear to be miserable on this blog and other Yankee boards. They don’t enjoy anything except the negativity.

  493. Rishi August 22nd, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    :arrow:

  494. Doreen August 22nd, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    murphydog -

    Both good points.

    :)

  495. murphydog August 22nd, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    “I couldn’t agree with you more. It’s surprising to see how many Yankee fans appear to be miserable on this blog and other Yankee boards. They don’t enjoy anything except the negativity.”

    Gotta take a cue from the team. They manage to have fun despite the enormous pressure it really is to win it all every year. Yankee stars have a 6th tool: having enough mental toughness to find the enjoyment in this kind of high pressure grind.

  496. murphydog August 22nd, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    SAS:

    My pleasure. I either write it all down or make my wife listen to it and I love my wife to much to see her suffer like that ;)

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