Yankees vs. Mariners
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Aug 22, 2010 
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Update, 1:42: Finally a base runner for the Mariners with Mark Teixeira botching that slow bouncer for an error. The M’s are still looking for that first hit with no outs in the third. CC Sabathia looks like he has dominant stuff again. But his is a very weak lineup outside of Ichiro and possibly Russell Branyan.
Update, 1:53: The Yankees aren’t getting anything done against lefty Luke French, despite having a least one on in all three innings. They blew that bases-loaded one-out chance in the second. So we’re scoreless going to the fourth.
Update, 2:01: The Mariners look like they will be lucky if they get one hit today. They are totally overmatched against Sabathia so far. No hits through four.
Update, 2:05: Austin Kearns continues to be a good pickup. The solo homer extends his season-high hitting streak, now 11 games. It’s 1-0. Wonder if that’s enough for Sabathia the way he’s going. But now it’s starting to rain.
Update, 2:09: Maybe we spoke too soon. There’s a leadoff double for Franklin Gutierrez past the third-base bag in the fifth.
Update, 2:12: Great throw by Nick Swisher to cut down Gutierrez at the plate. Nice play by Posada as well. We’re one out from an official game.
Update, 2:19: It’s official.
Update, 2:23: Bases loaded, one out for Robby Cano.
Update, 2:25: Cano cleans up. Grand slam. That’s 25 homers, 84 RBI. It’s 5-0. That was his fourth career slam and second of the season. That’s 10 slams for the team, and that matches the club record set in 1987. It’s raining hard again.
Update, 2:38: Rain delay. Wondering how long the plate ump, Sam Holbrook, was going to let this go on. Do we think the Mariners are going to come back from 5-0 down even if they resume? They play the fastest games in the majors on average because they don’t hit.
Update, 3:11: The grounds crew is starting to take the tarp off.
Update, 3:14: They’re saying we will start again around 3:30. That would make it a delay of more than 50 minutes. The Yankees still have to hit in the sixth, so you would think CC is done. But we’ll see. Luke French is done for Seattle. Lefty Chris Seddon is warming in the bullpen.
Update, 3:34: We’re playing. The delay was 57 minutes. CC appears finished. Kerry Wood is warming.
Update, 3:38: That was an interesting double for Eduardo Nunez. His grounder into right died in the wet grass and he hustled to second. It set up a sac fly by Derek Jeter, so it’s 6-0.
Update, 3:45: Cano is up with the bases loaded. Grand slams in consecutive innings?
Update, 3:50: Cano will take a two-run single. That’s a career-high six RBI. It’s 8-0, and Seddon is coming out. Brian Sweeney, the Yonkers native, is in to pitch.
Update, 3:55: Sabathia allowed three hits and no walks while hitting one and fanning eight over six. It’s Wood’s baseball now.
Update, 4:06: That’s No. 15 for Posada, and it’s 9-0.
Update, 4:17: Wood was extended enough for one day, going 1 2/3. First and second, two outs in the eighth. Joba is on. Sergio Mitre is warming. The forecast was for scattered showers this afternoon. It was accurate. It’s raining yet again.
Update, 4:21: Nice glove work by Swisher at first, looking like Teixeira. Bottom of the eighth, 9-0. Brandon League is on to pitch.
Update, 4:24: The Yankees are going to be a season-high 30 over .500, at 77-47. CC is going to be 17-5, the AL’s first 17-game winner. That ties him for the major-league lead. He will be 15-0 in his last 20 starts at Yankee Stadium.
Update, 4:31: It’s hard to believe now that this was supposed to be the year that the Mariners were going to unseat the Angels and win the West. Marcus Thames’ single makes it 10-0. Seattle is going to drop to 26 under, at 49-75.
Update, 4:45: Yankees win, 10-0. A combined six-hitter. They win their second straight series after going 0-2-3 in the previous five series.
Hey, where did everybody go??
No problem for CC, of course.
French is figuring out how to surrender, not to worry.
# Nick in SF August 22nd, 2010 at 1:48 pm
No problem for CC, of course.
French is figuring out how to surrender, not to worry.
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Bonjour! Ya cheese eatin’ surrender monkeys!
Kay “Two of the greatest first basemen you will ever see” So apparently, Casey Krotchman (misspelling intentional) is a great first baseman.
So the game now officially begins!
Defensively, Kotchman is. Which is what Kay was talking about. Sorry you are too crazed to realize that.
Probably doing what I’m about to do, JM. Leave now that the idiots have decided to over run the board.
274 games without an error it’s an amazing feat
Yes, GB, I think I’m going to check out too for a bit and watch the game, and the rain (first time it’s rained here in about a month). Back later…..
Just a tad tardy. Not everyone is as prompt as Chad.
Krotchman is one of the greatest defensive players you will ever see? Sorry, but that’s an insult to the truly great defensive 1st basemen like Don Mattingly and Keith Hernandez!
defensive 1st basemen*
Kotchmann is a great defender no doubt.
Yes, Kotchman is one of the very best defensive first basemen in baseball. Its his best skill. And one of the reasons he is even employed in baseball.
GB7
The HR hit the top of the wall and bounced over.
According to the gun there he was under 90.
I sat behind HP about 10 rows back. Had a great view of the strike zone.
Nine dollar seats bought the day of the game. Not bad huh? Game was sold out, over 7000.
Across the aisle from me was some guys tracking the game. One had a gun and was just using it on Trenton pitchers. Two of them looked young and maybe players. Do they have pitchers sit in the stands and track the players?
this french guy throws softer than vazquez. but why can’t vazquez be more effective like this guy?
Yes, Kotchman is a very good defensive 1st baseman, and probably the only reason he’s still employed in baseball, but it’s not accurate to say he’s “one of the greatest defensive 1st basemen you will ever see”
but it’s not accurate to say he’s “one of the greatest defensive 1st basemen you will ever see”
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It is accurate. He is one of the greatest defensive first basemen you will ever see. That statement implies nothing of his ranking among great defensive basemen, only that he is one, which he is.
No, it’s not accurate. He’s started only 495 career games – basically, 3 full baseball seasons – and played in about 550 games.
274 games without an error is an ALLTIME record. That would put him in the category of greatest defensive first baseman you will ever see.
“There’s also a saying, anyone can indict a ham sandwich but convincing 12 people to agree to convict one is a longer and more expensive lunch”
Oh pat, leave it to you.
Maybe it’s easier to get 12 people to agree on a smorgasbord, which is what Clemens has given them.
And if the 12 people in Washington DC can’t agree perhaps the 12 people in NY can.
Frankly I’m amazed at the number of people willing to turn their heads on this one. Or maybe I’m not.
Please allow me a re-post from the prior thread. Thank you.
trisha – true pinstriped blue:
It took you about a dozen words to break out your first ad hominem. Congratulations on your persuasive style
FYI, I was a prosecutor in a local district attorney’s office for 12 years and then on the State level for another 4 years. So, I think I have cred on this issue despite being a (shudder) defense attorney. And yes, trisha. I knew Clemens was indicted by a grand jury.
I argued jury nullification, meaning, I know the guy is (probably) guilty as the law is written. My argument wasn’t legal, it was factual and made on the basis of fairness. Legal and fair are not always synonymous. I think you missed my point, but as a prosecutor I often had blinders on too. My job is different now, focused only on my client and knowing only too well the ability of prosecutors to flex their muscles instead of do justice.
I prosecuted my fair share of defendants, from all walks of life, accused of some pretty ugly stuff. My job was to pursue justice, not win. I tried mightily not to let my personal feelings about an accused factor into my prosecutorial zeal. I had to know where justice lay, not just what the law said. Plenty of people want to see Clemens burn, but that all seems personal. Objectively, this case isn’t worth the time or money and the unclean hands of the accusers may well be their downfall.
He’s started only 495 career games – basically, 3 full baseball seasons – and played in about 550 games.
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This has nothing to do with playing great defense or the fact that he is one of the best defensive first basemen. Keep reaching, psycho.
Kochman is and has been since he came up with The Angels one of the best glovemen I personally have ever seen at 1st base….His stick is what has lead him to this role…At one time he actually hit better……..
Time to show some plate discipline and score some runs.
Tyler
Do you know who previously held the record? Kevin Youkilis.
While Kevin Youkilis is a remarkable defensive 1st baseman, is he also one of the greatest defensive 1st baseman you will ever see?
The ham sandwich quote? Sol Wachtler.
http://ncmdr.org/jswachtler/bio.html
of course just missed he an hard grouders right at people
He’s walked three batters in three innings. Thames swings on the first pitch.
Just…wow.
Yet again, I love watching CC Sabathia pitch.
Not bad work from a guy (CC) Rob Nayer has said is, “no longer a perennial Cy Young Award Candidate”.
Pat-
His bat had enough upside for Atlanta to take him as a potential replacement for Tex… He really has gone down with the bat though. Seems like alot of those Angels prospects (Brandon Wood, etc.) have kind of disappointed with the bat.
Michael Kay
His length in the majors has everything to do with it. Until he’s done it over a lengthy career such as Mattingly, then he is not “one of the greatest defensive 1st basemen you will ever see”
“He’s walked three batters in three innings. Thames swings on the first pitch.
Just…wow.”
There’s a reason he doesn’t play everyday and its not just his defense.
KEARNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sweet kearns, great job!!!!!!!!
Kearns has the touch that means so much.
CR9 August 22nd, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Tyler
Do you know who previously held the record? Kevin Youkilis.
While Kevin Youkilis is a remarkable defensive 1st baseman, is he also one of the greatest defensive 1st baseman you will ever see?
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Yes
yea Kearns is the man….good deal getting him
Scooter Libby says goodbye!
Austin Kearns. Yes.
thats a very important run guys, i don’t know for how much longer the rain is going to stay away
Thank God. Hopefully, with the way C.C. is pitching that’s all he’ll need, because the way the team is hacking today, that’s all he may get.
What a pickup Kearns has been.
His length in the majors has everything to do with it. Until he’s done it over a lengthy career such as Mattingly, then he is not “one of the greatest defensive 1st basemen you will ever see”
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Once you start getting into entire full seasons of defensive wizardry, you can be one of the greatest of anything. Mattingly’s defense suffered as his back problems increased, does that not make him one of the best ever?
And Kevin Youkilis is an excellent first baseman.
SJ44 August 22nd, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Not bad work from a guy (CC) Rob Nayer has said is, “no longer a perennial Cy Young Award Candidate”.
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Some of these so called experts can be so dumb. The guy is 15-5 with a 3.05 something ERA in the biggest pressure cooker in baseball while basically carrying the rotation on his back for hte past month or so. People just hold that contract against him. He’s been everything the Yanks wanted and more….
this better not go to a rain delay with cc dealin. at least get through the 5th.
[Scooter Libby says goodbye!]
See ya, Scooter. BTW, I have been paying attention, Nick. I just didn’t see much opportunity to jump in with you. You’re a lot like Vin Scully some days. You work alone
hopefully CC end the 5th quickly then its an official game
Remember the folks on here who were killing the Kearns trade after his first 5 AB’s as a Yankee?
Funny how they have run away now.
All CC does is pitch deep, win games, and keep his ERA low. Thats a recipe for perennially contending for a Cy Young if I ever saw one.
To add to this ridiculous debate over career length having to do with you being one of the best at your position…
Cano has put up a couple of fantastic years at second baseman, would you not say he’s one of the best you will ever see at the position?
He hasn’t done it very many years yet, but he’s undoubtedly one of the best going right now.
can’t afford to give up a run here
I said Kevin Youkilis is an excellent 1st baseman. But not “one of the greatest first baseman you will ever see”
That’s the point. Mattingly suffered debilitating back injuries in the tail end of his career. If Kotchman suffers an injury today – “God Forbid”
– that hampers his defense for the rest of his career, his equivalent of 3 good defensive seasons won’t mean a hill of Peter Gammons!
rconn23 August 22nd, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Yes, this is a new trend for Jeter.
He saw a lot more pitches last year, when he was the best leadoff hitter in baseball and among the league leaders in OBP.
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this is one case where perception doesn’t match the reality.
In his career, Jeter has put the ball in play 15.2% of the time on the first pitch (1582 out of 10376 appearances).
In 2010, Jeter has put the ball in play 15.1% of the time.
The difference is in the batting average for those appearances. In his career, Jeter bats .380 on the first pitch. In 2010, he is batting .299.
That is a significant difference but only amounts to 6 hits for the season on those pitches. Jeter isn’t likely to make major adjustments on the way he approaches ABs based on such a small sample.
Speaking of Vinny Scully, he’s coming back next season…..Can’t imagine baseball without him…..
SJ-
Good point. Kearns has the feel, of the perfect 4th OF. Just a great pickup.
swisher picks up cc
RadioKev
Yes, Cano is one of the best right now. But many years later, will anybody remember Cano’s defense? Perhaps, maybe probably.
Will anybody remember Kotchman 30 years from now?
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SWISHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that was a great play by both Swish and Jorge, period…
what a play!, that might be the ball game right there guys
Will anybody remember Kotchman 30 years from now?
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Smart baseball fans, who want to make comparisons of future players to past greats. A GB7 or Pat M will bring Kotchman up when a middle infielder looking first baseman with an excellent glove comes up in 2040.
That’s as good a throw as I have ever seen Swisher make.
Great throw Swish! That is a guy who through hard work transformed himself into an above average right fielder. Great stuff.
Good thrown and outstanding play by Jorge there….that was a tough hop. Nice all the way around. Could be huge if the rain comes.
CR9
Ok, so you just made exception to your logic so I’ll just stop right here rather than continuing down a pointless road.
Meanwhile Swisher preserves a potential win.
RadioKev
No, I didn’t make an exception. Cano is not “one of the greatest defensive 1st basemen you will ever see”
Not yet!
Thank you, murphydog, and don’t forget to stock up on some delicious Farmer John’s sausages.
Wow, on the replay he was safe because Jorge didn’t have the ball in his glove…..thank goodness for no replay in this case.
The rain isn’t gonna last long.
I see that Sanchez is in Stanton Island. 7 K’s in 11 ABs. 182 average. Just shows how much of a jump each level is and how impressive Montero’s adjustments have been. He’s gone from facing kids fresh out of high school and some less advanced college players to facing really experienced college kids who are 5-6 years older. Tough adjustment
Yeah, he was safe.
And now Kay is going to continue harping on a cheap call that went in our favor. How about being excited that the team you “love” and work for got benefited, Kay!
Hey, we got a neighborhood play at home, since we don’t receive it at 2nd base!
Tyler,
every jump in level means there is a period of adjustment give the maquinito a little time and you’ll see what he is capable of….
Michael Kay and YES point out that Posada didn’t tag him with the ball, but it didn’t look like the runner ever touched home plate.
“murphydog, a true defense attorney’s perspective. I would have expected nothing more (less?) from you. And I have a prosecutor’s perspective and am absolutely elated that the guy was indicted. ”
how can someone have a prosecutor’s perspective if someone isn’t or hasn’t been a prosecutor?
murphydog-
enjoying your analysis as usual.
Thank’s Face, 2040 or 2014 ?????
even got Nunez swinging early in the count
luis August 22nd, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Tyler,
every jump in level means there is a period of adjustment give the maquinito a little time and you’ll see what he is capable of….
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You’re definitely right. I’m not doubting Sanchez at all and I know he will adjust and tear up that league also. It just really shows the difference between each level and how tough it really is to make the big leagues. This is a guy who never hit below like .350 from the first day of the GCL on and he has struggled to make contact in this small sample size. that’s why it was laughable when people were freaking out over montero hitting .220 at the start of AAA. Now his OPS is about .850.
look at that Jeter gets a walk,
Really Jeter? Only seeing 4 pitches that at bat. If he was a true leadoff hitter he would have swung that those last 2, fouled 10 more pitches off then worked the 20 pitch walk. Unacceptable
Jeter looks like he has little limp in his strut.
Tin Cup…….Break Par this morning ???? How much coin did you hussle from the tour-ons visiting The Cape ????? Did you pull out the small shovel and rake & bat routine ????
Itchy-ro – future Red Sox OF – actually came up without making the play against us! Whew! Better remember that one, folks; it may be the last.
“how can someone have a prosecutor’s perspective if someone isn’t or hasn’t been a prosecutor?”
They play one on TV????????
tyler,
100% agreement, i guess patience is not a widely spread virtue in yankeeland LOL
murphydog, they tried jury nullification in the OJ Simpson case. How’d that work out.
I don’t know whose “unclean hands” you are referring to at this point but since there will only be one person on trial in this one, there is really only one person whose reputation is at stake. Having tried cases I’m sure you’ve seen people walk whom you knew were guilty as sin but the jury just wasn’t convinced. Is that the kind of fairness you’re talking about?
I look for the law to be upheld. I’m very happy that the indictment came down. What happens from here remains to be seen.
And if you’re truly interested in clean hands, you’d likely have to admit that no cases should ever be brought to court. Or are you interested in degrees of cleanness? Then you start down that slippery slope.
I don’t equivocate when it comes to the law. That’s why I have never tried to get anyone to bury any parking tickets I’ve ever gotten.
And hence my statement about unclean hands.
Jackamir- I noticed that yesterday on a number of occasions when I was at the stadium. He looks to have some type of hamstring problem which of course he is not talking about.
It’s pouring in NNJ.
I love it Robbie!!!!!!!!!!!! You are awesome
CANOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TAKE THAT, ITCHY-RO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SALAMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ridiculous!
MVP
CANO!!!!!!! grand salami!!!
Robbie!
DONT YOU KNOW!
Wrong move against the wrong guy in the wrong year and in the wrong stadium.
Robbie!!!!!!!
that’s the ballgame, Cano may not win the MVP but it’s tough to imagine a 2nd baseman having a better year.
I think the Yankees might seriously have to think about Cano in the cleanup spot. He’s putting up absurd numbers, isn’t he?
A-Rod hitting 5th would work just fine.
A lefty pitcher shouldn’t keep throwing a changeup to a lefty hitter.
Went to the well once too often.
Way to go, Mr. CanO
That was a thing of beauty.
Great job Cano!!!
Jeter limping; replace him now – can only get hurt more playing on wet field.
what sucks is that cano will probably fall second in the mvp voting to hamilton, unless hamilton slows down or gets hurt.
cano a legit beast
MVP!! MVP!! MVP!! Cano
what sucks is that cano will probably fall second in the mvp voting to hamilton, unless hamilton slows down or gets hurt.
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The MVP should come down to Hamilton or Cano. Hamilton is hitting better so he will likely get it, but Cano has the full package. Defense + Offense. Hamilton plays the outfield decently, and Miggy can’t play defense for crap.
But of course Texas going to the playoffs for the first time in a while has to factor in.
Itchy and Scratchy Ro!!!! Itchy-Ro!!!
i remember last year on the blog when Cano was un-clutch .
syd_cash August 22nd, 2010 at 2:26 pm
I love it Robbie!!!!!!!!!!!! You are awesome
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How in the Hell can you love someone that swings at the first pitch?
I have no problem with Hamilton winning it. All the personal stuff he’s overcome, and he truly is a VERY nice guy.
I know some people are going to call me crazy, but right now i think Cano is the best palyer on the roster period. Arod should be moved to the fifh spot
I know some people are going to call me crazy, but right now i think Cano is the best palyer on the roster period. Arod should be moved to the fifh spot
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For position players? Yea Cano is the yankees best player.
For players total? CC and Mariano have an argument.
We are probably going to get a delay soon but if not, CC looks incredible. With no delay I’m thinking CG shutout with 12 K’s
He is the best player on the roster.
However, Arod should not be moved down in the order when he gets back.
guess CC doesn’t care about moving quickly cause he has the win
Jerkface,
Thanks that’s exactly what i meant, only position players
Yes! Big out!
Downside of satellite television. If it is pouring rain, the picture breaks up and eventually disappears. It is pouring rain in RI…
murphy
Didn’t know where the saying came from so thanks for the info. I hope Wachtler doesn’t mind me putting my own spin on the end.
Ridiculous playing conditions with it raining sideways. Need to call for tarp and delay game.
rain delay at fenway
Why do you think so SJ44?
Robinson Cano has been their most productive player, he’s shown he can hit in the spot, he’s hit with runners in scoring position, he has more power, and he might be the future in the clean up spot.
A-Rod’s been good, he’s got the big contract, but doesn’t Cano strictly give the Yankees a better chance to win? I think rationally speaking Cano’s showing he deserves the spot.
Robbie isn’t going to get the MVP. It’s kind of unfair because he fields as well as he hits.
Thunderstorms in Vegas. Is that at all relevant.
Patrick, I’m feeling good about our Giants win total bet.
They’re at 69 wins right now and need to get to 83. 14 more wins in 6 weeks!
for all of you ‘don’t swing early in the count’ proponents, the Yankees, as a team, bat well over .300 when putting the ball in play early in the count (1st pitch, 1-0, 0-1, 1-1).
They bat under .200 as a team with two strikes in any count.
There is no point in chasing pitches outside the strike zone (and the Yankees, since they are at or near the top of MLB in walks obviously don’t do it that often) but hitting the 1st good pitch has been the rule in baseball for a long time and is still the best way to attack a pitcher.
well… got 6 from cc.
Sj44,
Why do you think they shouldnt move him to the fifth spot, cano has performed admirably in the clean up spot. 380 batting average, 6 homers, two grand salamis, that’s tough to beat. I guess you mean it because he is got the experience robi doesn’t have and the fact that you can’t ignore that arod has been an rbi machine
loved Ichiro’s impression of Bobby Abreu.
i would not give cc any more than normal rest before next start with only 70 or so pitches.
Brackman is done for the day. 5 innings, 8 hits, 2 runs, 1 earned run, 1 walk, 2 strikeouts. 6 ground outs, 5 fly outs. trenton losing 2-1 in the bottom of the 6th inning.
rain delay
Pitch CC in turn, move AJ and Javy even further back. Skip Javy.
SJ44,
If the Yankees get Cliff Lee and CC opts out, what do you think the Yankees do?
(I don’t necessarily think he’ll opt out, but some are of the opinion that he’ll use it to leverage another contract).
GB7
I responded to you and had a question for you near the top of this thread.
PeterBotte When Teixeira IBB’ed to load bases as Yank, ARod is 5-for-5 w/ 18 RBI. Now, Cano goes deep, 1st pitch. Moral of story? #TrySomethingNew
So, this game is official, right?
The middle of the batting order flows better with Arod in the middle of the order.
Has been that way since Tex got here.
Moving Cano up and Arod down really does nothing to impact the lineup.
If you have Cano hitting fifth, you force teams to throw Arod more fastballs because of the year Cano is having.
If you flip them, you most likely reducing Arod’s effectiveness, while not substantially making Cano any better.
That makes the entire lineup better.
I’m obviously biased, but thinking as objectively as I can, I would vote for Cano over Hamilton. I think the defensive value of 2B over LF (mostly) makes up for the difference in offensive numbers, I don’t care what WAR says.
Yes!
Nick,
You should feel good about it. I was banking that the giants would continue ignoring their best player and leave him in AAA (Posey). Turns out they woke up and decided to play him
luis,
I can think of a few good reasons not to move Arod.
1) Arod has done nothing to remove him.
2) Arod has an ego
3) The righty/lefty thing
The third reason is the most important.
murphydog, the “more or less” wasn’t an attack. I just couldn’t decide which was appropriate under the cirucumstances. They kind of struck me as the same thing.
pat m-
haven’t played since july 1 when my 14 hour days started. the day after labor day, i’ll be back out there.
by the way, you have to feel pretty good about saying back in the winter that this was going to be the year hughes broke out.
it wasn’t so obvious back then. some people actually believed it was a 5 man contest in spring training where someone like sergio mitre had a chance to beat him out.
here a question
when arod comes back, should cano still hit cleanup
m,
I simply don’t think CC is going to opt out, you are right about that it might give him leverage for a new contract, but he would alienate the fanbase and probably the front office, remember that when arod did it, little hank was the only one who wanted to give him a new contract. Besides he has stated repeatedly that he won’t do it
m,
To me it’s a moot point because CC isn’t opting out.
He would never get more money on the open market than he would be due on the remainder of his Yankee deal.
Plus, he loves playing in NY. Probably more than he thought when he signed the deal.
Maine, I know in Charleston, the next day’s pitcher still charts pitches from the stands. I’ve seen a couple use the guns. Most of the teams at AA levels use players as base coaches, usually at first. You may have seen ?Brackman charting pitches.
SJ44,
agreed, didn’t think about the consequences of doing the move.
SAS,
The only reason a may disagree is the ego thing, after last year he got a crash course on humility and it shows
Randy I ( The Original Tin Cup ) ….My break out season for Young Master Hughes was 13-7 with an era of 3.75…..Then again I though Javy would be a 15-17 game winner…..Are you at least hitting range balls ????
***Most of the teams from AA on down***
SAS,
Saw your note.
Basically, when they switched to the new platform for the blog, quotation marks showed up as symbols in my browser of choice-Interet Explorer. There were some other less decipherable symbols, too. So I was “forced” to go to Firefox to read my favorite blog.
Unrelated, I restored the computer because it was full of bugs (speaking of-gross story on the news about the bedbug infestation in NYC). Updated Internet Explorer, and voila! Clean text on LoHud.
It’s really insignificant, but it made me very happy. Internet Explorer has its flaws, but it’s like your favorite pair of jeans. Hard to throw them out.
Thanks for the note!
CC ain’t opting out. He said so. I know athletes lie but to me CC is a stand up guy.
“He would never get more money on the open market than he would be due on the remainder of his Yankee deal.”
i hope you are right.
At that point he will be 31 years old with a 4 year 92M remaining on his contract
If Cliff Lee gets a 6 year 130M contract (at age 31), then it might mean CC could consider opting out…
Thanks, guys.
I figured he wouldn’t. Not at that age (though it would probably be his last big contract if he renewed somewhere).
Just kind of thought that another plus for getting Lee is that, it reduced CC’s leverage to some degree.
Jack Curry is talking about the Braves doing it for Cox!
We love Cox! We want Cox! All hail Cox!
If CC was smart he’d opt out. He probably will.
He’ll only be 31? But he still won’t find another team to give him at least that remaining money.
I agree. CC is a standup guy; speaking of the Braves’ Cox, CC is too gorgeous to be a liar! All Hail CC!
CC aint opting out!
GB7
One of them was quite tall so it may have been him.
Where can I find pictures of the players?
One other guy had a blue shirt with a NY on the collar. He seemed to be charting the hitters. A guy near me thought he was a former player.
“If CC was smart he’d opt out. ”
Michael Kay
If CC was “smart” like you, he’d opt out!
If CC opts out, he will be the best pitcher available. The only one good pitcher in that class is Buehrle.
Who even knows if CC wants to play pass the deal he signed? I’m sure he knows if he wants to play pass his current deal, the Yankees will treat him good like Andy.
A-rod opted out and ended up getting paid more for longer. At the very least he’d be resigned by the yankees for additional years.
The rain is insane here in Rockland County.
pat m -
no range balls. no nothing except when i feel my adrenaline is at the right level, i go out back of my business and take one swing with my speed stick and see if i can hit 120 mph with no warm ups and one swing.
as long as i can do that i’m not going backwards.
a major reason that hamilton would win the MVP is the batting title. Cano’s and Hamilton’s other numbers are nearly identical. Cano’s got the fact that he’s covered a lot of holes with Posada and Rodriguez missing so much time and off seasons from Teixeita and Jeter. He and Swisher have been the most consistant offensive threats for NYYs.
Even if CC opts out he’ll re-sign with the Yankees. He likes playing for the team and who is going to outbid NYY for him?
The issue, as I see it, is if CC (through his agents) negotiates away the opt-out w/o exercising it, e.g., adding another year to his contract.
Just give him an extension/player option before he has to decide whether to opt out.
No problem.
GB7 and that Cano is a second baseman and hamilton is an OF
I appreciate that moving A-Rod down would make him less effective, but wasn’t the stat posted earlier that the Yankees are 11-0 without A-Rod this season? You can probably mark it 12-0 soon.
To me it seems like a backwards way to create a lineup, and I can’t think of many examples of a another team doing that.
I appreciate the logic, but if I’m the Yankees, I would give Robinson Cano the most chances to drive in runs possible. Hitting Cano in the clean up spot allows that.
jose tebata hr off johan nice
Jerk,
Hank no longer runs the yankees, Cashman and hal do. The only moron who would bid against himself was the former. If CC did that i think he would burn the bridges.
Maine, here’s on site. Just dig through the recent archives on the right side. Also check “Barebones” under Minor League Blogs on the right side of this LoHud page.
http://thunderbaseball.wordpress.com/
Now CC is at 3.02 ERA.
Price is at 2.97 ERA.
So, CC keeps pitching like this the rest of the year, he has to be the Cy Young.
Nick in SF-
Yesterday during the game John & Suzy were talking about a player from Apple Valley, CA
They had no idea where that was, but Suzy commented that “it sounded like a beautiful place”
Thanks to you… I knew she was wrong! LOL
(and PS- I obviously thought of you immediately)
Hank no longer runs the yankees, Cashman and hal do. The only moron who would bid against himself was the former. If CC did that i think he would burn the bridges.
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Maybe. Maybe not. I think Rich’s scenario is very likely as well. The yankees extending him a year with some options or 2 years + some options to get him to avoid the opt out.
GB7-
Frog legs at Starbucks?!?!
And I do not have a Kermit the Frog mug. I should get one though. I do have an Ernie mug
Randy I know you used to play a lot of golf right? What was your handicap when you played more often? I’ve played a lot this year, more than most years. I am not very good but showing improvement lately, fun game but it’s a struggle to stay calm during the bad holes haha.
# Patrick August 22nd, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Even if CC opts out he’ll re-sign with the Yankees. He likes playing for the team and who is going to outbid NYY for him?
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Agree. There is no risk in him opting out. If he agrees to come back to the Yanks for the exact same contract that he opted out of, would they say no?
If not, no harm in seeing what his value is and seeing if he can squeeze a few million or an extra year from us. CC will be the same age as Cliff Lee is now, when he opts out. If Lee can get $100+ million, why wouldn’t CC try?
randy l. August 22nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm
pat m -
no range balls. no nothing except when i feel my adrenaline is at the right level, i go out back of my business and take one swing with my speed stick and see if i can hit 120 mph with no warm ups and one swing.
as long as i can do that i’m not going backwards.
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I can give you the same golfing tips that Orville Moody gave me, Randy. Guaranteed to improve everyone’s golf game. They have no fear of you hitting them or their cars.
Jerk,
Yup, an extension might be the way to go, but an opt out don’t think so….. but you never know in the end
Apple Valley might have its charms, but it’s pretty hard to tell when it’s 110 degrees.
Youch, that was a scorcher.
Erica in NY August 22nd, 2010 at 3:07 pm
GB7-
Frog legs at Starbucks?!?!
And I do not have a Kermit the Frog mug. I should get one though. I do have an Ernie mug
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A girl with a mug like Ernie is not very appealing. I would have bet anything that you were a cutie, Erica.
Patrick August 22nd, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Randy I know you used to play a lot of golf right? What was your handicap when you played more often? I’ve played a lot this year, more than most years. I am not very good but showing improvement lately, fun game but it’s a struggle to stay calm during the bad holes haha.
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Randy’s golf handicap is actually playing golf.
GB, that was a good one regarding Erica’s mug. That, plus your occasional curmudgeon ways is why we love you.
I do not think Yanks will offer Lee more than CC in terms of annual average.
Also, I doubt they will offer 6 years.
Most likely the contract of Halladay will be the benchmark they will use with probably 1m or 1m more in annual average. If it is much more that, they will pass, especially if they win WS this year.
I don’t see CC opting out. I know he has something to gain for it, but it just doesn’t seem like something he would do.
Plus you don’t really want to play hardball with Cashman, he isn’t afraid to walk away. He gets paid a lot as is, he seems happy, he’s on a winning ball club, he’s a team leader, I just don’t see it.
Thanks, Mac. How are you doing down Texas way? God, I miss that town.
Erica-
My wife has a pet turtle (no, not me GB). If you like I can ask her if you can borrow the turtle until you are over your frog trauma ?
Have you considered getting a pretend frog to soothe your sorrows ?
GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 3:10 pm
A girl with a mug like Ernie is not very appealing. I would have bet anything that you were a cutie, Erica.
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My Ernie mug says “Rise and Shine Rubber Duckie” on the inside.
If that is not cute, I do not know what is
MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Erica-
My wife has a pet turtle (no, not me GB). If you like I can ask her if you can borrow the turtle until you are over your frog trauma ?
Have you considered getting a pretend frog to soothe your sorrows ?
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No pretend frog.
Froggie’s bowl was on my entertainment unit right above my TV. I miss watching TV and seeing Froggie swim
Blue Jays’ field reporter just interviewed the scoreboard operator in Fenway. He asked which player over the years stood out to him the most?
His answer (w/absolutely no hesitation): “The classiest player that’s ever passed through here is Mariano Rivera of the New York Yankees.”
And, if I had to remind you, John Henry once lived in Apple Valley.
GB-
“Randy’s golf handicap is actually playing golf.”
Didn’t you tell me that he doesn’t really know what each end of a golf club was really for ? I seem to recall you saying that he used his clubs to move logs around in a campfire, or something like that.
This is absolutely beautiful. I wish I could have seen film on the entire Hope Week, beginning to end.
3:30ish restart
Erica-
The pain will pass. Time heals all wounds.
Reading about Erica’s loss made me think of something…..when was the last time you saw an ad for sea monkeys? They used to be in the back of all the magazines when I was a kid.
Tom-
Why bother ? We already won.
Erica, you’re as much fun to rag and tease as Randy and Erin are. Thank God for people like you. You chase the irritations of life away.
I need closure, MTU…
Tom-
Just go out an buy a jar with a lid.
You guys are making fun of Randy but I seem to remember that he’s actually a real good golfer.
“Randy’s golf handicap is actually playing golf.”
i thought it was being gb7′s friend .
that’s enough to screw up any one’s game.
patrick-
5 when i’m playing a lot. 7-8 now.
with the right focus you should be able to get down to an 8 pretty easily. the simple advice is to spend more time on your short game than on your long game. you should be able to get up and down 75% of the time when chipping. it’s just time on the practice green. a few thousand practice chips will do wonders to your game.
sorry to hear about your frog Erica. My son had a few of those, along w/ other critters, including sea monkeys
MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 3:19 pm
GB-
“Randy’s golf handicap is actually playing golf.”
Didn’t you tell me that he doesn’t really know what each end of a golf club was really for ? I seem to recall you saying that he used his clubs to move logs around in a campfire, or something like that.
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Yeah, but remember, Randy’s idea of a fireplace is stacking 3 stones in the middle of the floor.
GB7
Good call.
It was Brackman & Warren. Warren had the gun.
hardwired – Nice.
GB, it’s been our usual scorching summer. I did get to break it up with a trip to the mountains. Looking forward to our other three great seasons. As an old timer myself I do like your Mantle days Yankees recollections. I still can see Boyer’s bat making a helicopter motion on a swing and miss. Great days indeed.
I can’t see CC in the game. I am betting on Mitre, Joba and then Wood.
Patrick August 22nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm
You guys are making fun of Randy but I seem to remember that he?s actually a real good golf
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Haven’t you learned not to believe everything you read?
GB-
I forgot about that.
What does he use his clubs for then ?
MTU August 22nd, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Erica-
The pain will pass. Time heals all wounds.
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For crusty old geezers like Randy, the saying is, “Time wounds all heels”.
yanks get hurt by another rain delay
LLWS almost all of the Panama’s team favorite player was Jeter, wonder what MO thought watching in the clubhouse, controversy?
GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Erica, you’re as much fun to rag and tease as Randy and Erin are. Thank God for people like you. You chase the irritations of life away.
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Awwww.. thanks GB7
It’s really pouring on LI…………….sucks that we’ll lose CC now when the game picks up again.
Cano shouldn’t ever have to answer any questions again – he’s enormously clutch and is coming up HUGE when we need him. Tex was signed to the big money and he’s very good, but Cano is almost more to be feared. Core 3, Robbie, core 3!
CC will not opt out – why would he? He’s got plenty of $$$, he loves playing here and he has a chance to win every year? I just don’t see him doing it.
upstate kate August 22nd, 2010 at 3:26 pm
sorry to hear about your frog Erica. My son had a few of those, along w/ other critters, including sea monkeys
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Thanks Kate.
He wasn’t the most exciting pet (really Froggie was a glorified fish). But he made me happy.
GB-
Yeah. And never does a good deed go unpunished.
austinmac August 22nd, 2010 at 3:28 pm
GB, it’s been our usual scorching summer. I did get to break it up with a trip to the mountains. Looking forward to our other three great seasons. As an old timer myself I do like your Mantle days Yankees recollections. I still can see Boyer’s bat making a helicopter motion on a swing and miss. Great days indeed.
I can’t see CC in the game. I am betting on Mitre, Joba and then Wood.
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It always seemed like a different kind of heat. where do you guys go to get wet? Zilker Park, Lake Austin or “Hippy Hollow”?
I really shouldn’t watch any of Sox games. It happens too often that they get out of runners on 3rd with less than 2 outs. Probably average 1 game, at the least. Piggy Laptop Thief wiggled out of the jam again.
GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Erica, you?re as much fun to rag and tease as Randy and Erin are. Thank God for people like you. You chase the irritations of life away.
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Thats not true.
Your still here.
1 a game*
You’re most welcome, Erica.
Randy that is great advice. My swing is a complete mess right now but if nothing else my putting, sand shots and chipping have improved by a lot this year.
Earlier this year I got a new driver, first hole I use it I hit the ball 330, 40 yards off the green. Of course I end up with a 5 on the hole hahaha
And now at this point in the year I’m lucky if I hit my drives 275 and straight!
Well, Maine…in every life a little rain must fall. Think of me as The Flood.
Later folks.
C.C. at 76 pitches. It would have to be a Eiland /Girardi / C.C. decision to sit him and turn it over to the bullpen.
CC will not opt out – why would he? He’s got plenty of $$$, he loves playing here and he has a chance to win every year? I just don’t see him doing it.
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He can get more guaranteed money and more years on his contract.
this time, the rain doesnt really hurt. cc got through 6 and is eligible for the win. saves his arm a bit too. the pen will hold a 5-0 lead.
Randy is slipping. He has had better quips and comebacks. age is catching up to him.
I really shouldn’t watch any of Sox games.
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No you shouldn’t they get you way too worked up man…
Jerkface, I don’t think he will, but we’ll have to wait and see…….
AC, the rain sucks because one more inning would have been better…..now we’ll have to use the pen some.
Erica in NY….I was on the blog last night as you were dealing with Froggy’s situation……Just wanted to wait a little before passing on my condolences
Jerkface, I don’t think he will, but we’ll have to wait and see…….
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I wouldn’t be surprised if he did not opt out, but I also would not be surprised if he did. Opt outs almost always benefit the player.
best double ever
Well, thats somethign you don’t see everyday
that a first for me
That’ll be on sportscenter tonight
“CC will not opt out – why would he? He’s got plenty of $$$, he loves playing here and he has a chance to win every year? I just don’t see him doing it.”
Jeter has plenty of money too, so does Posada, Rivera, and A-Rod. Why did they try and squeeze every last penny from us? Mariano used Torre’s departure as a way for us to give him the 3rd year, Posada wined and dined with Omar in order to squeeze the 4th year from us. You know Jeter is going to get a contract well-beyond his performance. Bernie was about to go to Boston before we upped our offer.
It’s not personal, it’s a business. You can love your current situation, but still want to try and improve it if you can. The Lee contract will be a big factor in it… CC will be 1 yr younger in 2011 than Lee is now… so if Lee can get a 6/$120 deal at age 33, why shouldn’t CC try to as well?
Either way, I doubt he leaves, it’s just a matter of what his agents decide to do to maximize his value.
Patrick
You’re right. Good luck on your golf game. I’m sure with enough practice, you’ll be shooting in the 70s in no time!
Pat M. August 22nd, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Erica in NY….I was on the blog last night as you were dealing with Froggy’s situation……Just wanted to wait a little before passing on my condolences
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Thanks Pat M
I’m not saying there aren’t reasons for CC to opt out, but I don’t think he will.
best double ever is right! Let’s get one of these runs home. Big insurance.
Yes! JETER with a rip shot!
“Randy is slipping. He has had better quips and comebacks. age is catching up to him.”
gb7-
yeah , but don’t get too close to my campfire because i can still throwing those three stones around it pretty far
Betsy,
hi, i hope everything is fine with the stalker
This guys really asking for trouble with all these awful pitches
Hi Luis
Yes, everything is quiet on that front – thanks!
How are you?
So that’s 3 times this season that Teixeira has been IBBed in front of Cano or Arod to load the bases that have ended in slams!
one strike before cano gets a chance for a 2nd GS.
16 balls
8 strikes
time to end the game
Erica
They needed froggy out there to get that ball in RF.
I’m ok coming back from a well deserved vacation,
glad you everything is fine
I motion to end the game rather than have a second delay
Does anyone else agree?
GB, too old for Hippy Hollow. But, what a great place in it’s day. Barton Springs or any pool for me.
I second that motion. This is getting silly.
Cano running the bases:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh83QrLlrMU
CANO 8 — mariners 0
Whoa Robbie, outta control!!
They shouldn’t have restarted the game, but if it rains much again I have no doubt the game will be called.
If Cano is going to continue to produce like this, the Yankees should be fine until Alex gets back.
Those were great places, Mac. There was another great park down in New Braunfels (Landa Park).
randy l. August 22nd, 2010 at 3:40 pm
“Randy is slipping. He has had better quips and comebacks. age is catching up to him.”
gb7-
yeah , but don’t get too close to my campfire because i can still throwing those three stones around it pretty far
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That’s not the only thing that you throw around pretty far, Randy.
Those were great places, Mac. There was another great park down in New Braunfels (Landa Park).
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Texas? If that’s the place I’m thinking of, I remember a river and lots of cuckoo clocks.
Patrick
You’re right. Good luck on your golf game. I’m sure with enough practice, you’ll be shooting in the 70s in no time!
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Thanks CR9 much appreciated. You know how mad you get when the imps give Boston a call when they play the yankees? That’s how mad I get when I have a few bad holes in golf…. Maybe I need to take my own advice and chill!
8-0 kerry. throw strikes!
Pitching in relief, Wood’s biggest issue is walks.
It’s Robbie Cano’s day.
Everyone else is just a spectator.
Afternoon Wood! And it feels so good! Nice job Kerry!
CR9……Eat a brownie, you’l feel better about a bad hole in about 15 minutes
Patrick,
Couldn’t avoid to coment. Ben Hogan used to say that if he hit one perfect shot in a round of golf he went home happy, meaning that golf is a game of fail shots. The one that manages failure better usually wins. So don’t get mad when you miss or have a few bad holes just focus on the next shot and forget the previous one
Mel, New Braunfels is an old German town about 20 miles north of San Antonio on I35. Great little town and great food during the many festivals.
Randy,
Good news on the nephew front.
Everything is going so well, the Pirates of kicking around the possibility of him coming back for the last week of the season.
He’s been crushing the ball in BP the past four days.
Tarp coming out in Boston. Perhaps the rain delay lasts over an hour, so the Sox lose Clay for the day!
That’s fantastic news, SJ. makes for a great day, getting that news.
I find it ridiculous that cano is not getting more MVP talk. Sure miggy and Hamilton are having great years but do you really think they would be posting those numbers with Tex and arod in front of them? The fact is, if cano hit cleanup all season he would be a threat to hit .330, 30-35 homers, and well over 120 RBI.. Not to mention a gold glove second basemen to go with that. I don’t think people realize how amazing it is that a fifth hole hitter could get 30 homers and 100 ribbies hitting behind two guys that can do the same thing. Cano Is without question one of the top 10 players in all of the game.
this is amazing, possibly the first game thread in two years with virtually no complaints…
# Erica in NY August 22nd, 2010 at 3:49 pm
I motion to end the game rather than have a second delay
Does anyone else agree?
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I’ll see what I can do ! LOL
Nothing better than seeing Posada show power from both sides yesterday and today.
Pat M
Those brownies only make me more paranoid – if that can be believed
Kerry Wood’s ERA was over 6 when he was acquired. He’s now at 4.50. Great acquisition.
Luis,
Good advice and I have been doing better at controlling my emotions but it’s a struggle..
SJ44,
Good news on your nephew thanks for keeping us updated
Congrats SJ.
I injured my arm my freshman year of college at a Division 1 school as a pitcher and was never able to 100% recover my stuff. Was 85-88 and came back at 82-85. So know how it is, and wish him a speedy recovery!
Also, with the tarp coming out in Boston, it’d be nice if Tor had to burn its bullpen today ahead of our series.
Posada has looked much better at the plate this weekend.
Hopefully, a sign of things to come.
IMO, the more he catches, the better he hits.
If he’s healthy enough to catch, he has to be in there 5 out of every 7-8 games the rest of the way.
The unofficial “catching platoon” has to end.
SJ, completely agree on all of that, he’s looked much better behind the plate recently, I’m assuming his knee is feeling better.
GB, Landa Park is a wonderful spot on the Guadalupe River. Last weekend I went to another one in a great little spot, Gruene.
SJ44
Congrats on the nephew!
Come on Joe, Get Wood out of there. Stick in Mitre.
“Tarp coming out in Boston. Perhaps the rain delay lasts over an hour, so the Sox lose Clay for the day!”
Clay looks real good today too (of course, TOR blew their 1 opportunity in the 1st), so it would be nice to see the Jays have to beat up on their pen when it resumes
Jays also have to use their pen, but at least they play us tomorrow!
“Come on Joe, Get Wood out of there. Stick in Mitre.”
Mitre is probably the long man tomorrow if Nova bombs, so I don’t think Joe wants to use him for multiple innings today.
Kerry Wood is looking really good – tough luck hit by Ichiro
GB7
Leave it to Posada to pad his stats in a blowout.
Darn – Wood having some terrible luck
SJ44,
Congrats, hope everything makes a turn for the better
EA
You’re right. My bad.
Man, Wood must feel so good about himself – now playing for the Yankees. What a pleasure it must be!
Mac, not sure where Gruene is? I may have been there, but it was more than 35 years ago.
Aww, poor Kerry……..
lets hope joba doesn’t run wood ny era with the 2 cheap hits wood gave up
It’s not like these are tape measure jobs.
Wood has looked very good in his time in NY.
Mitre will shadow Nova’s start tomorrow.
Hopefully Joba can get 4 stress free outs and keep his pitch count down.
yup tough luck, but it doesn’t take anything away from Wood, he is really pitching very well
lol. You guys were just talking about the Joba/Wood tandem. I guess Joba was pitching the 9th anyway.
Jobamania –> JOBAWOOD!
No Complaints……..No Matt the bat
I was only suggesting taking out Wood to keep him completely healthy – especially in a blowout game. Didn’t think about Mitre being saved for tomorrow.
Kerry is so thin……….he really reminds me of AJ in his mound demeanor; he also looks like he’s 20, lol
Gruene is a big music venue and antique place about 10 miles west of New Braunfels.
MaineYankee August 22nd, 2010 at 4:17 pm
GB7
Leave it to Posada to pad his stats in a blowout.
LMAO. Haven’t heard that since last year when people were whining about Rodriguez. He’s the only player in history to knock in 100+ runs for 13 straight years and not one of them be important.
SWISH!!!!
Yay Swish!!!
Nice game today…………..and what’s up with his glove?
swisher saves wood era
CC may be closing the CY young gap..he keeps pitching like this and he may get his 20 win season and be right there for it.
Swisher showing Tex that anybody can play first base.
It’s not that hard! lol
Swisher is one of the greatest defensive first basemen in the history of this game.
OK, Mac. Just don’t remember it. The little cupcake from there that I was dating at that time wouldn’t take me out in public very often.
CC deserves a 20 win season…………..I hope he doesn’t have to wait as long as Moose did, lol
GB7
I thought it was time to break that out again.
One of the dumbest comments here.
Stinks that CC was one out away from that win in boston. He’d have 18.
“CC may be closing the CY young gap..he keeps pitching like this and he may get his 20 win season and be right there for it.”
It’s scary… he should be going for is 20th win today!
Joba blew 2 4+ run leads in games that CC was eligible for the win
And the ump in Boston cost him a win by not letting him get 1 more strike on Martinez
He should still get there though, but he has been tremendous
Thames no longer ( if he ever did ) belongs on this team. He can’t hit the good lefties anyway.
Rarely puts the bat on the ball against them. Only the “soft” southpaws to his liking. No more productive than Pena and certainly not on a par with Kearns who CAN play in the field !
Rather see Nunez stay up than Thames stay on roster.
CC just needs to win 3 out of 8. He can do it.
Of course he’ll do it…………but it’s hard to believe he hasn’t done it before………
Betsy,
He’s gonna have a great shot at it this year and that ERA is growing closer and closer to dipping below 3…he’s been everything he was supposed to be for the Yanks since he signed that contract….just a great security blanket for a staff.
Thames no longer ( if he ever did ) belongs on this team. He can’t hit the good lefties anyway.
Rarely puts the bat on the ball against them. Only the “soft” southpaws to his liking.
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I have to admit I never liked Thames on the team as anything other than a roleplayer. And now that he is back to that role I’m very pleased with him. He is hitting in :.344 .364 .469 .832 in August. So look at how wrong you are.
57Yanks…Thames can come off the bench in October and deliver the longball….I think he’s staying with the club simply for that reason…He can stick ….
Thames is a streak hitter, and is on a good streak now. If he cools off a bit in september he can get hot right in time for the playoffs.
MaineYankee August 22nd, 2010 at 4:24 pm
GB7
I thought it was time to break that out again.
One of the dumbest comments here.
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There have been so many over the years, I’m not sure I could pick out which one was dumber. and there are more added every day.
# Jerkface August 22nd, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Thames no longer ( if he ever did ) belongs on this team. He can’t hit the good lefties anyway.
Rarely puts the bat on the ball against them. Only the “soft” southpaws to his liking.
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I have to admit I never liked Thames on the team as anything other than a roleplayer. And now that he is back to that role I’m very pleased with him. He is hitting in :.344 .364 .469 .832 in August. So look at how wrong you are.
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Look at his production compared to Pena’s. And he can’t play the field worth crap !
Michael Kay just used his $10 word: Temerity!
Ooooooooooooooooh, Michael Kay is showin’ off that degree from Fordham!
Blake, he’s really an amazing pitcher and probably underrated by more people than Rob Neyer. In an odd way, I think he’s underrated because he’s on the Yankees……..he’s not overly flashy, he’s got an offense behind him, etc……………..However, I imagine he’s a real throwback to the “good old days”. The rain, though I was unhappy about it, did give him a chance to rest and not throw so many pitches, and that’s good; just because he’s a big guy doesn’t mean he’s not human.
Can we get a “Betwixt and Between” or a “Little girl with the curl” reference?!
SJ44,
Such good news about your nephew. I am glad he recovered so quickly.
So the plan is to ride Thames’ hot streak, then he’ll cool off, then he’ll heat up again for October?
I’m setting my watch to that.
Alright, Thames!
Thames has done very well in the role he was brought in for……….that’s all we could ask.
Back to CC – he is a great role model for the young Yankee pitchers. Mo, Andy – fantastic mentors.
Look at his production compared to Pena’s. And he can’t play the field worth crap !
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Thames: .302 .385 .437 .822
Pena: .197 .232 .222 .454
?????? Who cares, he is on the bench as a bat. Pena provides nothing.
Pena with RISP: .195 .239 .195 .434
Thames with RISP: .216 .289 .324 .613
Before that last AB, Thames in his last 10 games ( 28 AB’s ) has 2 RBI with 10 K’s.
Nice day for the offence.
So Brandon League has been demoted to 10-0 deficit mopup??
Didn’t Jack Z trade Morrow for League? If so, another astute move by Jack Zilch!
Thanks all.
If you think Thames hasn’t been productive, and has been less productive offensively than Pena, I think following and understanding baseball is looking like it’s not your thing.
m,
I even have Firefox. I don’t know exactly what it does, but I have it…lol (Sorry it took me so long to get back to you)
Betsy,
I really don’t have a clue what Neyer was talking about in the artcle…he must not watch many Yankee games because if he did he would see the consistency, the way he has given them length on many a night when the pen was shot, and how he leads a staff….and on top of all that he’s a darn good pitcher as well. He is he definition of a #1.
Have to go see ya guys have a good one
Before that last AB, Thames in his last 10 games ( 28 AB’s ) has 2 RBI with 10 K’s.
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He makes less outs than Ramiro Pena. Can actually hit a HR. And can walk.
What about the RBI’s and speed and defense compared to Pena ?
Thames is less productive per AB than Pena.
Just comparing him to worst AVG. on the team for someone with the team all year.
Blake, either do I…………I think Neyer is a fairly smart guy, so it surprises me. Then again, maybe these guys like to have at least one outrageous opinion to get people talking?
LOL @ 57ryank
thanks for providing comedy this afternoon.
Nothing comes easy for Joba, not even with a 10 game lead…………against Chris Woodward?
If you honestly want to compare Marcus Thames and Ramiro Pena offensively there is nothing anyone can do to dissuade you from your point.
This is what I’m talking about when it comes to Joba and focus. I understand that its a 10 run game and that the mound is slick so he’s probably taking it easy. And I guess I understand that. But at the same time if he’s going to be out there and hoping to work his way back into higher leverage situations he can’t be throwing 90-91 MPH batting practice fastballs to Chris Woodward.
What about the RBI’s and speed and defense compared to Pena ?
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RBIs are a product of game situation. You do not want Pena up with runners on because he hits under .200 in those situations. Thames hits better than Ramiro with RISP, he has just gotten unlucky with amount of runners on and how those runners came around to try and score.
You’re likely not going to keep Eduardo for the playoffs, so Pena is sticking around. And neither will do anything in the postseason outside of pinch run. Thames is a pinch hitter and can play DH. He provides more value to the yankees in october.
You probably should quit while you are behind.
Trying to sell that Ramiro Pena is a more productive offensive player than Marcus Thames is something even Ramiro’s family ain’t buyin’.
I’m sure this guy is just kidding……………maybe he’s Rob Neyer
“Trying to sell that Ramiro Pena is a more productive offensive player than Marcus Thames is something even Ramiro’s family ain’t buyin’.”
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!
But Pena is adorableriffic.
Thank goodness this game will go the distance. That’s the only way they pay out on the run line.
Michael Kay just used another $10 word: Juxtaposed!
Kay is just makin’ things interesting in a blowout game!
You know its a slow complaint day on this blog when someone is comparing Thames and Pena.
Boy, Joba is getting hit hard…………even in the bottom of the 8th.
atta boy job, way to come in, not throw strikes and linedrives everywhere
I think Neyer is a smart guy as well…I also think there are a lot of smart guys out there that know more about writing than they do about baseball…a journalism degree doesn’t make you a baseball expert.
Thames has done everything he was supposed to do for the Yanks this season.
Did you hear that..”.A brand new WB Mason Joe Torre Show”…Michael Kay
Scoop for Swish!!
Good job by Joba. He pitched like he didn’t want that run to score and I can appreciate that.
SAS
I missed that. I was amused by the “Brand New Spanking New”
Blake, very true…….
Keith Law is a smart guy (very annoying though) and he was down on Phil for a long time. See what going to Harvard did for him?
Nice win…………….good job bouncing back after losing to Felix.
CC – great.
Offense – very good
Pen – very good, particularly Wood (at least what I saw)
I’d say that it was a slow day when the Boston troll known as CR9 said something stupid, but, not every day has been slow. Just chalk him up as an idiot.
So apparently Strasburg was throwing today and completed his usual post-start workout………….all this before they get the results of the MRI. That seems pretty risky, even though he said that he’d had this issue in college.
Nice game. Yanks played well the last two games…that’s 5 of the last 6.
Love ya too GreenBeret7! Have a good day all!
Sorry, but, pitching on that slick mound isn’t really conducive to sharp pitching.
A good day in Yankeeland.
Arguing about Thames vs Pena is kind of like arguing about yellow green and sunflower in the spectrum of Crayola crayons…..
Who really cares?
Keith Law is also visibly biased against any Yankee player or prospect. If Hughes was a Boston farmhand he wouldn’t have had enough good things to say about him.
Neyer is a lifelong Kansas City Royals fan unaffected by any of the machinations of the Yankee-Red Sox rivalry or basically any other reason that there would be for bias to surface. When he wrote that article, Sabathia wasn’t pitching well. It was certainly written prematurely, but it wasn’t inaccurate at the time.
Oh.. and for those people who were complaining that the Yankees weren’t winning any series.
They have now won their last two in a row (one of which was a 4-game series)
And 30 Games over .500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Today is a good day
Coming into this game :
Thames AB H HR RBI SO SB CS
126 38 4 16 40 0 0
Pena
117 23 0 16 21 5 0
And speed and defense. And who do you think will be on the team next year ? Won’t be Thames !
Wood has been great..he’s really seemed to take to the role he has been given on this team. Really can’t say enough about the Yankee bullpen the last month or so…its been lights out.
Kyle Drabek tomorrow against Manny Banuelos … goodness
Man hold up. Wish I could see that.
Neyer was completely wrong about CC not being a perennial Cy Young contender based on a few off starts this year; what’s he saying about Lee now?
Law was something of a hypocrite. He never said word one when Buchholz struggled……..when Phil did? He also said that Mike Pelfrey had far greater upside than Phil………….Not that it matters anymore, lol
57ryank August 22nd, 2010 at 4:51 pm
And speed and defense. And who do you think will be on the team next year ? Won’t be Thames !
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Dude, they only signed him to a 1-year deal. The odds are really, really good that no matter what he did this season he wasn’t coming back next year
Pena’s not likely to be on this team next year, either. Nunez will be his replacement.
anyone think bos lwill let clay come back out to pitch
Wood has been great; I’m happy for him ……..hopefully he can continue pitching well.
Thames has proved to be most useless player on team this year. When in the field, he cost at least 2 games with his prowess.
Does Bucholtz use the rain delay to “shop” at the nearest CompUSA?
Thames or Kearns could very likely be back as the right handed power off of the bat. Whichever one accepts that role first and cheapest.
There’s still a chance we ge the Trifecta today.
57ryank
The chances are that both aren’t on the team next year.
Betsy, just a month ago or so, many LoHuders here were saying that CC wasn’t an Ace Pitcher
Thames or Kearns could very likely be back as the right handed power off of the bat. Whichever one accepts that role first and cheapest.
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Guarantee you Thames won’t be back if FREE ! Kearns certainly has a chance.
bat = bench.
# Pat M. August 22nd, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Betsy, just a month ago or so, many LoHuders here were saying that CC wasn’t an Ace Pitcher
Man you serious?
Pat M, where are those posters now? Where’s Matt? LOL Oh wait……….he’s probably in his bathroom holding a razor over his wrist waiting for an opportunity to use that razor tomorrow night.
57, you’re much to much of an idiot/troll to respond to anymore.
“Does Bucholtz use the rain delay to “shop” at the nearest CompUSA?
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HA
“get not ge”.If I want to talk lightbulbs I better find another forum. Still the undisputed and undefeated heavyweight typo champ of the World. It’s good to be the King.
Something pretty cool I noticed.
In his rookie year CC Sabathia was 17-5 with a 4.39 ERA in 180 IP.
Almost ten years later we’re in August and he’s also 17-5. He’s now thrown 188 innings, more than he threw in a full season during his rookie year.
It isn’t talked about very often, but the way the Indians handled Sabathia really could be the gold standard for handling most young pitchers. From 2001-2006 he only threw 200 innings once (in 2002). They took the wraps off him in 2007, his Cy Young year, when he threw 241, and he’s been a ridiculous horse ever since.
# GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 4:59 pm
57, you’re much to much of an idiot/troll to respond to anymore.
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And you don’t know shat from “wild honey!”
57ryanks has proved countless times just how bad his own opinions regarding baseball are.
GB – I think Kearns brings something to the table that Thames doesn’t – he can play the field. I think Kearns will be the first choice there, unless someone else gives him so much more to start that Cash doesn’t find it cost effective. I think Colin Curtis will be given every opportunity to make it as the other, lefty option in the OF bench.
GB….I’m a little taken back by 57Yank…Over the years here he’s always been impressive with his knowledge of Yankee Baseball…..I do hope it’s Kearns that comes back….I was campaigning all winter for Marcus to sign and I do think he’s come up big several times and his bat is a presence in the dugout……He’s a professional stick
If you cannot see what Thames provides vs Pena, then I just don’t know how you watch baseball. Pena has 1 skill. He can play pretty good defense at SS, and can play enough at 3b and 2b. And a little OF.
Thames hits for power and walks better than major league average.
Both of them are likely not to be on the team. I will bet, that of the two of them, Pena is the one most likely to not return to the Yankees.
Wow- the RS are brining Clay B BACK out. Yikes….
Ramiro Pena’s chances of walking off with a HR vs Papelbon: 1 in an infinite.
How long was the rain delay in Boston? Pretty long, right? Silly decision………..
the redsox are desperate
GB….I’m a little taken back by 57Yank…Over the years here he’s always been impressive with his knowledge of Yankee Baseball…..I do hope it’s Kearns that comes back….I was campaigning all winter for Marcus to sign and I do think he’s come up big several times and his bat is a presence in the dugout……He’s a professional stick
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How many times has Thames produced against a good lefty this year? Not even one handful in total. He’s just over the hill IMO.
I too, thought he would be more helpful, but he hasn’t done it. Or he would have batted more.
Joe and Pat, I’d prefer Kearns back too, but, he has to be willing to accept a part time role at a reasonable rate. Thames has already shown that he will. That’s the only problem….willingness to sacrifice playing time for a chance at winning a title.
Desperate or not, that’s dangerous. He may go on to pitch a great game, but is it really worth the risk?
Desperation talks.
The Red Sox really can’t afford to lose many more games this season if they want to stay alive.
# Jerkface August 22nd, 2010 at 5:05 pm
If you cannot see what Thames provides vs Pena, then I just don’t know how you watch baseball. Pena has 1 skill. He can play pretty good defense at SS, and can play enough at 3b and 2b. And a little OF.
Thames hits for power and walks better than major league average.
Both of them are likely not to be on the team. I will bet, that of the two of them, Pena is the one most likely to not return to the Yankees.
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I’ll take that bet !
Marcus has won a few games this season for the club and has played his role quite well I beleive………I just don’t see the Pena comparison though…..He’s a utility gloveman
I too, thought he would be more helpful, but he hasn’t done it. Or he would have batted more.
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Batted more what? Like got in more games? He was injured for a month. And his original role was pinch hitter and sometimes Dh. NJ had no platoon splits. He has an OPS of over .800!
1 OPs vs Matusz
.700 OPS vs Lester
1.333 Ops vs CJ Wilson
2.5 OPS vs Dallas Braden
1 OPS vs Gio Gonzalez
.333 AVG vs Romero
.333 AVG vs Cliff Lee
.333 AVG vs Brett Cecil
.500 OBP vs John Danks
1 OPS vs Johan Santana
LOOK. AT. HOW. WRONG. YOU. ARE.
# Pat M. August 22nd, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Marcus has won a few games this season for the club and has played his role quite well I beleive………I just don’t see the Pena comparison though…..He’s a utility gloveman
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FEW being the operative word. And cost as much, almost, in the field. One dimension left in his arsenal : Hit fair against soft lefties ! That’s it !
Thames has over an .800 OPS against both LHP and RHP pitchers this year and that’s good productivity off the bench. For his career his splits are stronger from the left side.
A 2011 bench of Thames, Curtis, Kearns, Nunez and Cervelli or hopefully an upgrade over Cervelli would be perfectly acceptable to me.
Kearns has been a part-timer for three years now. No one is going to offer him a significant salary to play every day. I bet he stays for something in the $ 1.2-1.5 M range.
Regardless of whatever is said, both Thames and Pena, and now Kearns have helped to win quite a few games. That’s what made the old Yankees what they were….great….having strong benches.
Jerk :
What has all THAT produced ?
Uh hits? walks? pressure on the opposition? a continuation of the batting lineup? I don’t think you understand baseball, man.
Pena is in NY for his glove as a utility player. He has however made some/a few errors. They both have different jobs, and, they’ve done them. If they were very good players, they’d be playing full time. They are well equipped for the job that they were hired to do.
Pat M – I agree. Pena has gotten a few bigs hits, but I think that’s more a function of his getting a good number of opportunities on this team to have men on base.
I agree that Nunez will be the first choice for backup IF. Shame for Pena, he seems like a really good kid, who’ll have a ML career, but likely with someone else. Have to say, he’s done his job here with the Yankees, but it all comes down to performance. A true meritocracy.
i think what rob neyer wrote about cc, is worth keeping an eye on. If he is a cy young or not, i could care less, especially when sports reporters with huge biases are the ones voting ie: pete abe
Thames hate: why?
# GreenBeret7 August 22nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Regardless of whatever is said, both Thames and Pena, and now Kearns have helped to win quite a few games. That’s what made the old Yankees what they were….great….having strong benches.
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That’s just it, we haven’t had a strong bench for the biggest part of the year. Only since Kearns has produced has the bench gotten stronger. Colin Curtis would have been more valuable than Thames. Pena, IMO was never a plus in the outfield ( even though they played him there in minors to hopefully expand his versatility ) but is a super glove in the infield. NJ, the ultimate injury prone guy, has proven to be a mistake. Berkman, now injured, I think will help.
Morale low here. One Met, watching Barajas say goodbyes, half-jokes “Can I go with him?”
9 minutes ago via web
Ouch!
Just because I’m bored, I’ll take a stab at predicting next year’s opening day roster.
Starting Lineup:
1- Brett Gardner, LF
2- Derek Jeter, SS
3- Mark Teixeira, 1B
4- Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5- Robinson Cano, 2B
6- Nick Swisher, RF
7- Jorge Posada, C
8- Curtis Granderson, CF
9- Austin Kearns, DH
Bench: C/DH Jesus Montero, OF Colin Curtis, IF Eduardo Nunez, C Josh Bard
Starting Rotation:
1) SP CC Sabathia
2) SP Cliff Lee
3) SP Phil Hughes
4) SP AJ Burnett
5) SP Joba Chamberlain
Bullpen: CL Mariano Rivera, MR David Robertson, MR Kerry Wood, MR Boone Logan, MR Damaso Marte, MR Alfredo Aceves, MR Chad Gaudin
One of the things that’s so amazing about this year’s team is that its really difficult to envision much happening in the offseason outside of Lee. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cashman looks to add another impact bat, but my gut is telling me that Granderson is sticking around as the CF as he settles in with his new approach. Montero should be on the team and can caddy with Posada, catching 2 or 3 games a week and getting some DH time as well. Bard comes in as a veteran catcher with some pop who gives you some flexibility at the position if you want to DH either Posada or Montero.
On the pitching side of things, I do believe (contrary to what I’d like) that they will outbid everyone for Lee’s services. I also think this is Andy’s swan song. With him and Sabathia at the front of the rotation, the Yankees have some flexibility and should be able to go cheap in the fifth slot, holding an open competition between Joba, Nova, and perhaps even Aceves. I think (and hope) that Cashman will still give Joba one more shot out there.
“Desperate or not, that’s dangerous. He may go on to pitch a great game, but is it really worth the risk?”
Bets, whether or not to use certain players has turned into a veritable toin coss for the Sux and desperation is the reason. They lost Ellsbury and Pedroia bringing them back too soon. I think they might have done the same thing with Mike Cameron, though he has opted to have surgery and his season is over. I guess when you’re paying out lots of $$$$ and you think you might still be sniffing a possibility, you take the chances you feel you have to?
I agree with you but I have a feeling that teams take chances with their players a lot more than they should – unless sometimes the players represent to the teams that they are healthy when they’re not. But with Bucholz going back out, you’re right. That’s a decision the team is making.
Congrats on the blow-out today and the series win this weekend, Yankee fans.
If nothing else, the last two-day are further proof just how darn good Felix is …
not an easy task to shutout the Yanks.
I’ll expect to see a few “Go Mariners!” here over the next three games
~Rosy
Colin Curtis hit: .256 .319 .395 .714
what a way for Piniella to go out, a 16-5 loss. ouch
This place needs an ignore button…
# Jerkface August 22nd, 2010 at 5:16 pm
Uh hits? walks? pressure on the opposition? a continuation of the batting lineup? I don’t think you understand baseball, man.
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Pressure ? Yeah, I did see one team faint when Thames came up ! LOL
That’s a new one : “Continuation of a line-up” ROTFLMAO
I’ve forgotten more than you’ll ever know !
# Jerkface August 22nd, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Colin Curtis hit: .256 .319 .395 .714
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And in those 43 AB’s he had half of Thames RBI’s coming into todays game
# realistic August 22nd, 2010 at 5:25 pm
what a way for Piniella to go out, a 16-5 loss. ouch
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The Cubs opened the season with a 16-5 loss against the Braves too
A’s tie it at 1
57ryank is racist. He hates Thames because he is African American.
Sad really.
And garza balks in a run to tie up Oakland and Tampa at 1
on a balk
“Thames hate: why?”
I’m going to take a guess here because I didn’t get to watch the game. Thames came up in a run-producing situation early in the game and failed to get a hit.
If that isn’t it, it’s just lohud being lohud.
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Question for all students of the game (beyond following the Yanks). If you had a choice of Omar Infante and Placido Polano to play 2B for you at this point in the season and all you cared about was offense, which one would you choose?
Thanks and I’ll check answers when I get back from my latest jaunt.
jorgearangure
Weird promotion of the year: Brewers having a CC Sabathia bobblehead night
I should have said a choice between, not a choice of
And in those 43 AB’s he had half of Thames RBI’s coming into todays game
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he also came up with men on half the time. You’re looking at incredible small samples. And guess what, continuation of the lineup means Thames is not making outs. When Pena comes to bat, chances are an out is going to be made. Thames will reach base 15% more than Ramiro Pena. Thats HUGE. 15% less outs over the course of the season means more ABs for the real yankee heroes like Gardner, Cano, and Swisher.
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
57ryank is racist. He hates Thames because he is African American.
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He is old. He comes from a different time. Apparently a time when baseball was played where the first to get as many outs as possible wins. It could be the only reason why he is so pro-pena.
How is Colin Curtis more valuable at the plate than Thames?
One of the Yanks’ big bugaboos this season has been their ineptness against left handed pitching.
The addition of Kearns and the consistency of Thames has improved this team tremendously against lefties the last month.
Nothing wrong with running Thames out there as long as he doesn’t grab his glove.
Where is Keanrs headed that he needs sunglasses?
Omar Infante! Dude is just a hitting machine. Even hit 2 homers today. I only know this because I have him on my two fantasy teams.
BTW, Sabathia is not an ace. Only Josh Beckett is an ace.
I assume 57 yanks is a big fan of Lance Berkman?
MaineYankee August 22nd, 2010 at 1:55 pm
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In the minor leagues, normally the pitcher that’s going to throw the next game man’s the radar gun, and the pitcher that threw last, keeps the pitch records.
Buchholz’s ERA is down to 2.28. Wow
And of course, he put 6 runners on base so far in 5 but none have scored
Only in Fenway Park could David Ortiz get a triple.
David Ortiz triples? Did the Toronto OF forget to come back from the rain delay?
of course clay never gives any runs. despite a low k rate, a bad bb to k rate radio. he been very good, but his era is a complete fluke
tb takes a 3 and 1 lead and bill hall jacks a 2 run hr
BIG AL August 22nd, 2010 at 5:36 pm
MaineYankee August 22nd, 2010 at 1:55 pm
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In the minor leagues, normally the pitcher that?s going to throw the next game man?s the radar gun, and the pitcher that threw last, keeps the pitch records.
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I’m not sure that’s how it was last night.
Warren had the radar gun and Brackman was keeping the pitch records.
Brackman pitched today.
There was also one other guy keeping track of something but not sure what.
I saw Ace pitch last night. He looked a bit rusty still.
Has he lost weight? He looked thin to me compared to last year.
# GhettoBlaster August 22nd, 2010 at 5:30 pm
57ryank is racist. He hates Thames because he is African American.
Sad really.
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Now here’s a real member the “smarts” league !
Don’t HATE Thames in the least. Just think he’s over the hill and is not a plus for the team.
You think you know someone’s heart from this blog ? Know any more jokes ?
I absolutely loved guys like Elston Howard, Al Downing, Roy White, Jesse Barfield, Bobby Bonds, Bill Robinson, Rudy May, Oscar Gamble, Rickey Henderson, and so on through to todays teams. Even little ol’ Horace Clarke.
Those who throw out the race card so blindly are usually the worst racists themselves.
If Thames is over the hill then Ramiro must be under it, given his stats.
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Yeh, Alfredo is in much better shape. He had been going tp PT, 4 hours a day, for close to 2 months. Most of this was to build up the lower back, which means stomach exercises to help support the lower back, as well as the lower back musles.
How has a guy who, as a bench player, has an over .800 OPS and two walk off hits be a “drag” on this team.
He has done EXACTLY what he was brought in here for this season.
You are trying too hard to get attention today with this idiocy because you aren’t making any sense.
muscles dah
you can admit you are racist. you have even made anti-semantic remarks on this blog. this is no place for that kind of thing.
Don’t see how anyone can take issue with Thames. He’s had a great year with the Yanks, doing everything they expected of him. Other than his fill in at 3rd and throwing error, but that is really not fair to hold against him.
While he may not be a long term player for the Yanks, I don’t think he’s over the hill.
Yes, and some of my best friends are …………..
Can’t argue with stupid….
# Jerkface August 22nd, 2010 at 5:35 pm
I assume 57 yanks is a big fan of Lance Berkman?
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Entering this year, I suppose you would prefer Thames career over Berkman’s !
Yeah, I’m sure. Imbecile
Can?t argue with stupid?.
That would be dumb
Entering this year, I suppose you would prefer Thames career over Berkman’s !
Yeah, I’m sure. Imbecile
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You didn’t answer my question. Do you like what Berkman has done so far this year? This is very important.
Thames has been a very useful addition to the team as a RH DH. I don’t like him playing the field, but he has come up big in key situations.
Need anyone be reminded that Thames was signed to a minor league deal and was considered largely an afterthought?
Given his production, how could he have done anything other than wildly exceeded expectations.
This is just an insane argument that doesn’t even warrant further discussion.
Buccholz continues to wriggle off the hook.
“you have even made anti-semantic remarks”
Oh my goodness. this guy hates “words”. Bet he was forced to read 1000′s of books as a child and not allowed to go out and play. That would scar anyone. I forgive him.
Buchholz for Cy Young? There’s something to put putting runners on and not letting them score……………and he doesn’t give up any hits at all. His “problem” is a bad BB to K ratio, but does that really matter? He’s not getting that lucky.
# GhettoBlaster August 22nd, 2010 at 5:51 pm
you can admit you are racist. you have even made anti-semantic remarks on this blog. this is no place for that kind of thing.
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You’re a lying sack of crap !!! Either that or your memory is non existent !!!
If you know of it, print it now !!!
No way Bucholz gets the CY Young, low ERA or not.
That was a ridiculous thing to say that someone is racist because he doesn’t like a player. I am probably older than Yank57 because I was a long time Yankees fan before that. Because someone doesn’t care for a player regardless of race, that doesn’t make him a racist.
Why is anyone trying to argue with this guy? It’s a waste of valuable time.
MTU -
Those long hikes in the sun are taking it’s toll. where did you go today?
57yank is right about this ghettoblaster dude and the race thing in my mind……57 is catching heat about the Thames / Pena discussion, but I never ever recalled anything he’s ever posted that would slightly suggest that claim…The guy has always brought to the table good Yankee baseball insights from a time that many here only read about or see on grainy film……I’m moving on…..
Big Al
At first I wasn’t sure if it was him because he looked thinner.
I was hoping to get a chance to meet him but because of traffic I got there in the middle of the 1st inning.
Fondo, why not? Because of his K/BB ratio?
LOL Thin isn’t always good – Brian Bruney ring a bell?
Today would be Clay’s 15th win.
Hope he doesn’t get to 20.
Buchholz isn’t winning the Cy Young because of a limited amount of innings.
He’s not going to best C.C. or Lee in voting because of the value of their innings.
He’s a very good pitcher, but he has not pitched up to his ERA. So yes, he has been lucky.
57- you know the remarks you made. now stop trying to cause trouble on this blog.
Saying Pena is just as good offensively as Pena is trolling. It may not be as troubling as your racist/ignorant remarks but you really should stop it all. This is a place for yankee fans to discuss issues regarding their team. NOT a place for you to spew hate talk.
Thames and Pena are on the team for 2 totally different reasons. Such a silly debate.
Betsy,
139 IP.
CC and Felix are closing in on 200.
Betsy – I think you are right about that. But beyond that there has not seemed to me anything that stands out and sets him apart this season. Call it an intangible I suppose.
I think the Grenke situation last year was an anomaly, and that it helps mightily to be on a contender.
Rconn, just saying he hasn’t pitched up to his ERA doesn’t explain anything. Please explain how he hasn’t pitched up to it……..
Al-
I’m still recovering from yesterday’s hike. I put up some photos for the morning gang. See below.
http://picasaweb.google.com/cy.....downGorge#
Carl and reconn.
IP. That too. Thanks
Maine Yankee -
If you go to another game, where he’s on re-hab, but not pitching, go early, lean into the dugout and ask one of the players if he’s still in the clubhouse, or already in the bullpen. If he’s in the clubhouse, he’ll come out to say hello, sign a ball. He’s a great guy.
Looks like a few beat me to it.
Buchholz doesn’t have the innings to compare to Sabathia.
# Jerkface August 22nd, 2010 at 5:55 pm
Entering this year, I suppose you would prefer Thames career over Berkman’s !
Yeah, I’m sure. Imbecile
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You didn’t answer my question. Do you like what Berkman has done so far this year? This is very important.
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Important ? He’s appeared in what 10-12 games ?
I would have taken him, no question, going into this year as part-time DH, PH, over Thames easily.
They have the CY Young to Greinke last year, even though he only had 15 wins… but he did lead the AL in ERA.
If CC/Lee/Price have ERAs over 3 and Buchholz’s ERA is in the mid 2s with 18 or so wins (he will have 15 already by the end of the day with 7-8 remaining), he could definitely win the CY.
I would hope that the writers look beyond the ERA, but if his ERA is that much lower than everyone elses and he has a good win total, he might just get it.
Carl, ok – that’s a big difference. It’s one thing to say he won’t get it because of innings, another to say that he’s been lucky. When you give up about 30 or so less hits than IP, you’re not lucky.
Maine-
Yeah. Just like you. Blame it on the traffic.
Oh trisha, where to begin?
You use OJ Simpson as an example of jury nullification. That was a double murder case featuring an incompetent team of prosecutors playing to the camera and a judge that was, well, in over his head. And there was racism, going in both directions. Do you really see that set of facts as analogous to the Clemens matter? Lying to Congress is analogous to killing an ex-wife and her friend?
As for your question as to whether I want to get into degrees of guilt, well, sure. In every case the degree of culpability and other circumstances are routinely taken into account by prosecutors in making their decision whether to charge and what to charge. As well, Judges always consider the full picture when arriving at the proper sentence if there is a conviction. The federal system has a sentencing formula, the state judges mostly go gestalt.
I think you are being oversimplistic but that is your privilege of course. And tell me again, when were you a prosecutor?
By the end of the season, Buchholz will have a decent amount of innings; he never gives up runs, period.
57ryanks is the same one who thinks Pujols is on the juice and is against signing Cliff Lee. His opinions cannot be trusted.
Back to Clemens. Oh well, get ready for a plethora of posts written in the first person.
Important ? He’s appeared in what 10-12 games ?
I would have taken him, no question, going into this year as part-time DH, PH, over Thames easily.
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Thats not what I asked. I asked if you like what he has provided so far. Not what he might have provided or will provide in the future.
Guys who win the ERA title don’t always win the Cy Young, especially for a team that’s going to finish in 3rd place, and is likely to throw about 50-60 innings fewer than a guy like Sabathia and finish with fewer wins as well.
No offense to you Murphy
MTU -
Again, thanks for sharing. You get to visit the most interesting sites. Wish it were me.
# GhettoBlaster August 22nd, 2010 at 6:01 pm
57- you know the remarks you made. now stop trying to cause trouble on this blog.
Saying Pena is just as good offensively as Pena is trolling. It may not be as troubling as your racist/ignorant remarks but you really should stop it all. This is a place for yankee fans to discuss issues regarding their team. NOT a place for you to spew hate talk.
Thames and Pena are on the team for 2 totally different reasons. Such a silly debate.
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You’re the ultimate idiot poster here and calling someone racist without showing or even telling me what you say I said that was anti-semitic. Take a look in your mirror nutcase !
That’s fine – I hope he doesn’t win. That doesn’t take away from the kind of year he’s having. I’m not comparing him to Phil or anyone, but he’s had a spectacular year…………..
Big Al
I checked after the game and they said he had flown out before the game was over.
We saw Matsui rehab there after he broke his wrist against the RS.
MTU – did you make up “anti-semantic”? or did someone really say that?
genius, either way.
no Matt tonight i see, funny that as the Yanks win easily.
however some other clown shows up with some nonsense about a bench player who has completely done his job (and then some)
Betsy,
Yes it does. Look at his peripherals. His WHIP is very good, but not anywhere close to being the best in the league.
For instance, his WHIP is the same (and now probably worse) than Phil Hughes,and Hughes has a much better K/BB rate.
Those stats portend a better future for Hughes than for Buccholz.
And besides, as I said before Buccholz won’t win the Cy Young because he won’t top 200 innings.
# Jerkface August 22nd, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Important ? He’s appeared in what 10-12 games ?
I would have taken him, no question, going into this year as part-time DH, PH, over Thames easily.
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Thats not what I asked. I asked if you like what he has provided so far. Not what he might have provided or will provide in the future.
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Sample way too small to critisize in my view. But, he hasn’t done much for sure.
Betsy,
Sabathia has had a spectacular season, too. And more deserving of the Cy Young than Buchholz.
Rconn, believe me, lol – I don’t want him to win.
Ok, I understand why the lousy (and it is lousy) K to BB rate is somewhat concerning………but I admit I don’t understand why it’s a matter of luck with the hits to IP and the runs allowed. We had a similar conversation about Cahill……..
GF, yes CC has had a spectacular season – I am not saying Buchholz is better. I’m trying to understand where luck ends and ability begins. At the beginning of the season, Phil had these outrageous stats……..but I never thought he was lucky because I saw his games and he did not give up a lot of hard hit balls or even long fly balls.
I think CC should get serious consideration for the CY, but as I said, I actually think he’s underrated.
# Jerkface August 22nd, 2010 at 6:06 pm
57ryanks is the same one who thinks Pujols is on the juice and is against signing Cliff Lee. His opinions cannot be trusted.
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You just make it up as you go ? Yes, I do think Pujols is juiced. So ?
As far as Lee, would love to have him. Just said at what cost and for how long. Not exactly the horse that CC is IMO.
I think the Cy Young comes down to CC and Price. I saw Price several times in AAA, and you knew he was going to be good, but, I never thought he’d be this good, this soon.
It would be great; Yankees get #28, CC gets the Cy Young and Cano gets MVP. I can dream can’t I?
GF – Hi. You beat me too it, about laptops.
57ryank – don’t argue with an idiot. Have a glass of wine, your blood pressure will thank you
Sample way too small to critisize in my view. But, he hasn’t done much for sure.
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He has done the same as Ramiro Pena. Ergo Pena hasn’t done much for sure!
Lee leads the league in IP/GS, how is he not a horse?
Betsy,
Look at Dice-K’s stats from 2007 and 2008 to see what I’m talking about the folly of basing things strictly on ERA.
And I’m not saying that I think Sabathia should win.
Felix Hernandez has been the best pitcher in the AL this year. Even if you factor in park effects, he’s been better than Sabathia. Yet, he won’t win because his team doesn’t score runs for him.
Cano isn’t sniffing that mvp
CC has a great chance to win CY young.
Dano-
I cannot tell a lie. Someone actually said it.
Al-
My pleasure. Wish you could be there too. Even the photos don’t do it justice.
Cano isn?t sniffing that mvp
While he may not win, how can you say he’s not in the discussion?
MTU
Yes there were 3 cars on the road instead of two.
Actually I did a bit of excess driving to go to the game.
Went to the MIL for lunch which was a 100 mi drive.
Then drove another 80mi to the game and then another 50mi home.
CC has exactly 30 more ip then Price. Amazing. Felix has 10 more then CC.
Rconn, if I recall – and I will check out Dice-K’s stats – he walked a lot and gave up a decent amount of hits; therefore, he was always walking the tightrope. Buchholz never gives up hits- this is what I’m having a hard time with; he never gives up hits, so obviously he’s tough to hit.
Cano is coming up huge when we need him; let the voters give the MVP to Hamilton………….maybe Robby can win the WS MVP.
Betsy – that’s a beautiful thought re Robby
Carl
Lets see how the MVP candidates finnish out the season before you hand out the award.
Morneau beat out Jeter by having a hot last part of the season.
# Fondo Motz August 22nd, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Cano isn?t sniffing that mvp
While he may not win, how can you say he’s not in the discussion?
Hes in the discussion, but he can’t compare to the numbers Hamilton and Miggy are putting up.
Right now, IMO, the MVP comes down to 3 players. If you judge by which player has been great enough to help his team succeed, then your down to Cano and Hamilton. Let’s see how the remainder of the season goes. Right now it looks like Cano is getting that stroke back to where it was earlier.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/features/cyyoung
Wins and IP seem to be the difference.
Here’s the skinny (no pun intended) on Laptop:
Two things I can say with near perfect certainty.The Anorexic One and Sabbathia have NOT been dinning at the same establishments recently nor going to the same parties. The Mortician may have a lower ERA but he definitely does not appreciate fine dinning or excellent cuisine.
Unless of course, it’s Texas Javellina. But Bucky has a hell of time catching the damn things with his bare hands and that accounts for why he’s so thin and gaunt looking. Not much success evident.
Carl – ok, I don’t necessarily disagree. I just thought you were dismissing him.
Fondo, thanks – Robby has earned it. I don’t care if he wins the MVP or not – everyone knows what a tremendous player he is.
“Hes in the discussion, but he can’t compare to the numbers Hamilton and Miggy are putting up.”
He can when you factor in his defense, which has been outstanding at a premium defensive position this year.
He probably won’t win it, but he absolutely should, IMO.
57yank is right about this ghettoblaster dude and the race thing in my mind……57 is catching heat about the Thames / Pena discussion, but I never ever recalled anything he’s ever posted that would slightly suggest that claim…The guy has always brought to the table good Yankee baseball insights from a time that many here only read about or see on grainy film……I’m moving on…..
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Thank you. I don’t believe that anyone has an opinion that is not relevant in some way.
Just opinions, that’s all. Knowledge is another thing. Some do, some don’t.
Good day.
Dice-K gave up about 40 less hits than innings pitched (168 IP/128 IP) in 2008
However, he walked 94 guys. Did strike out around 8 guys per 9 though. But he only pitched 168 innings… wierd seasons for him.
Maine-
Obviously, you must like your MIL. How unusual.
# Fondo Motz August 22nd, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Carl – ok, I don’t necessarily disagree. I just thought you were dismissing him.
Oh no. I just don’t think he is going to win it. Not to mention that Yankee bias with voters.
I really think you are beginning to see the desperation in the Red Sox now.
Francona puts Bard in during the 7th inning and may have him pitch two innings again for the second straight day.
If they stayed healthy, I think they believe had a real shot this year, but they didn’t and next year they face some huge decisions regarding Ortiz, Martinez and most importantly Beltre.
This whole nonense the Boston media tried to put forth about this being a bridge year was nonsense.
A bridge to what, exactly?
If they trade for Adrian Gonzalez, then we could talk, but where are the ballyhooed prospects now they could give up for him?
Casey Kelly has a 5.31 ERA in AA and has been shut down for the season. Iglesias has a sub. 700 OPS in Portland. Kalish may turn out to be a decent player.
They have many more questions facing next season than do the Yankees.
MVP – Cano has been in the 4 slot for the 12 games the Yankees have won with A-Rod out. He’s giving A-Rod the protection he needed. If one guy was responsible more than any other for the success of the 1st place Yankees, on offense, it’s Cano, IMO.
You expect more power from an OF position over a 2B, name another 2B putting up numbers like Cano. Very rare an MVP goes to a 3rd or 4th place team player.
PeteAbe
Buchholz has not allowed a run in 20 IP or an earned run in 30.1 IP. ERA down to 2.26. Bard in for the 7th. #redsox 15 minutes ago
“A bridge to what, exactly?”
Nowhere ? Mediocrity ? 2nd class status ? Window shopping at the mall ? Early golfing ?
Quite frankly, I don’t give a damm what Pete Abe says, he’s just a big bag of ……………
Dassit, dassit’s then!
I picked him up a few days ago. I got rid of Zobrist and put Wiggington in his place but then looked at the stats and thought Infante looked good. But so did Polanco, but I’m going to stay with Infante. Thanks!
WEEI radio broadcasters were talking about both the MVP and Cy awards and when they announced the score of the Y’s game and Robby’s GS, they said he definitely had to be a contender for MVP. But of course they followed it up with the other two names we hear all the time – Cabrera and Hamilton. Then mentioned that CC had to be in contention for Cy and that he is 10-0 in his last 10 games at home, going back to last year! I guess I didn’t realize he had that kind of home record going on.
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I know there’s nothing to be done about it but it kind of infuriates me to see the big Fat hitting the way he is. There is not a question that he’s on something – the man likes his milkshakes – but it is obviously one of those undetectable somethings. Just plain wrong. Interestingly enough Balco’s claim to fame is that they were in the forefront of developing performance enhancing substances that defied detection.
Just got in from visiting Bayonne.
We got to see portions of the game.
I say Robi Cano should absolutely be the MVP this season. Why? Because aside from having a great season doing what he was expected to do, EVERY time he’s had to fill in for Rodriguez he has more than answered the call. If that’s not an MVP, what is?????
MTU
You can’t tell me you don’t make sacrifices for Mrs. MTU.
Actually I get along well with her.
We went down because it was the first time for her to see our Grandaughter and also for my bd.
My wife made cupcakes decorated like baseballs with NY on some and player # on others.
Doreen
How was the gps lady?
Doreen – Bayonne made you see the light?
MTU -
A brige over one of your caynons perhaps?
Maine-
I don’t have to worry about mine. She’s permanently unavailable.
Glad you get along with yours.
And if bd is birthday. Happy 21 birthday ! You’re legal everywhere now.
Al-
The Grand. It will never be completed.
I can’t stand the fact that the Sux developed young studs like Lester, Buchholz, Bard, Ron McDonald, Kalish, etc.
Bard is great. But his arm is going to fall off after holding up the bridge all year…
The Grand is one of my favorite places, been there twice, once by plane when it was allowed.
The best view at the Canyon is looking up at the night sky from the Phantom Ranch.
MTU
There’s no age limit for moonshine.
A bridge ???? Boston ????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-eavMSBnk
They have moonshine in Maine?
I have to admit that Laptops is pitching very well this season. I don’t watch, and I don’t look at his statistics, but he’s getting it done. If he were doing that for the Yankees, we’d be throwing a parade for him.
But he doesn’t pitch for the Yankees, so he still a rotten, dirty bastahd.
Can you stand the fact that the Yankees developed young studs like Phil Hughes, Robinson Cano Brett Gardner and David Robertson?
And I think you mean Darnell McDonald, who is 30 years old. Not exactly a “young stud”
Catch y’all later.
Al-
Just to show you the kinds of crazies I hang out with sometimes. I know some who have hiked it rim to rim in 1 day. Not me brother. I like living. Speaking of planes. I did a Helicopter tour of the GC once.
The copter had a glass bottom. nearly wet myself when we passed the rim on the way in.
Big Al
J/K
murphydog after law school I had a job lined up in the Philly AG’s office but due to the unexpected death of my mother didn’t end up taking it. Instead I ended up being a plaintiff’s attorney, which for me was one step away from being a prosecutor.
And if you want to get to the down and dirty, I find criminal defense attorneys a pretty unsavory lot and would go hungry before I would knowingly defend a criminal.
“I prosecuted my fair share of defendants, from all walks of life, accused of some pretty ugly stuff. My job was to pursue justice, not win. I tried mightily not to let my personal feelings about an accused factor into my prosecutorial zeal. I had to know where justice lay, not just what the law said.”
And as a defense attorney your job is now to defend those accused of some pretty ugly stuff. Are you worried about justice for the accuser or is your job now just to win?
I don’t see the application of law as a game. I believe in the pursuit of justice and I believe in defending and upholding any and all laws. My oath didn’t allow me to pick and choose which ones I liked and which ones I didn’t. Advocating jury nullification would seem to be a violation of the oath you took but some people take that oath seriously and some see it as a game. A whole host of defense attorneys were happy to find any way they could to let Simpson go free.
Okey dokey? So you just go on playing fast and loose and bastardizing the law to fit your idea of justice (FREE ROGER!) and I will go on believing that my oath didn’t allow me the luxury of ignoring the law.
# Yank1 August 22nd, 2010 at 6:39 pm
I can’t stand the fact that the Sux developed young studs like Lester, Buchholz, Bard, Ron McDonald, Kalish, etc.
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The Yanks have developed quite a few very good young arms in their own right. There are too many to list.
They won’t all get to take the mound for the big club, but the ones who don’t can and will be used to get other pieces of the puzzle.
m
How do you upgrade IE?
Maine-
Then you should buy some from Blake and I. we’ve got a little project going in the Hills near his home.
Noreaster- this is true. Spectacular.
murpydog- I believe that old saying you were talking about in a prior thread goes like this “If you don’t have the facts, argue the law…if you don’t have the law, argue the facts…if you don’t have either, just argue”
my,
just go to microsoft.com or do a search for internet explorer.
Southern Yankee Lawyer August 22nd, 2010 at 6:52 pm
murpydog- I believe that old saying you were talking about in a prior thread goes like this ?If you don?t have the facts, argue the law?if you don?t have the law, argue the facts?if you don?t have either, just argue?
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I think I’ve seen that logic used here.
MTU…sounds like a fun ‘project’…
m
Thanks.
Maine Yankee -
GPS lady doesn’t go to Bayonne. But we did try her out the first week we had her, and she wanted us to go on Avenue “East” (Avenue E), a road we never take to get to my husband’s mom’s.
Fondo Motz -
I’m not sure what you mean. I have always believed Cano was MVP-worthy, but I felt like making a comment after getting home today to affirm it.
(By the way, I hadn’t read any posts before making that post and I chuckled to myself when I read down and saw the Cano for MVP was a topic just before I got home!) 
Also – how can anyone compare Pena and Thames? Two different players here for two different reasons and both are pretty much doing what has been expected of them. But one is an apple and one is an orange.
It’s about time Buchholz has his “ace” spectacular year. He’s entering his prime now. If he doesn’t look good at this point then he’s nothing. He’s having a very good year.
Whoa -
The Clemens stuff is getting too personal here.
Kalish is probably going to be very good, but can we see more than a few weeks out of him?
my,
No problem!
Doreen,
Glad you had a good day.
I just wanted to tell you that I saw your note the other day about the nest. Thank you for that. It hasn’t hit me yet, I’m used to that one traveling. But when she doesn’t come back in a week, I think it’ll hit me.
Doreen
I’ve had my issues with a GPS as well.
They can really give trouble in rural areas.
I like to look on a map to have some idea where I’m going in case she lies to me.
Buccholz’ ERA is Greinke-like……………I don’t expect Phil to be throwing up those kinds of #s next year.
Noreaster-
next time you see Blake on here. Ask him how it’s going I put him in charge of it. I’m just a silent partner.
Roger Clemens was on the phone with NESN during Friday’s Red Sox game.
Has Clemens decided to crawl back to the Red Sox in a desperate attempt to restore his name??
If so, I applaud your brains and manipulation. Use the Red Sox for everything they are worth – which admittedly is not much.
Good win for the Rays today!
m -
You’re welcome.
I myself am letting myself fall under a shopping coma setting up the apartment for the oldest daughter. Shopping therapy. But I know there will be a hangover.
maine-
if you think they’re problematical in the country you should try one in the bottom of a remote canyon.
Why is it when a big ol’ horse like one of the Molinas or Ortiz or Giambi get hit by a pitch, they never check on the batter…they always inspect the baseball?
Who is Ron McDonald?
Doreen, I’m just going to buy some peanuts and a beer and watch this unfold from the cheap seats……Tricia comes out throwing some heat……It’s going to be a long season regarding The Rocket…….You can bet that somewhere in the Bay area one Barry Bonds will be watching it all from a private box……Roger is just the pre-lims, a warmup for the main event
# Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Buccholz’ ERA is Greinke-like……………I don’t expect Phil to be throwing up those kinds of #s next year.
Greinke was way more dominate and its not even close. ERA isn’t everything.
Carl, yeah I believe he was…….. You’re right about the ERA, but it’s just very impressive to me.
Pat M
I hope you have a big supply because this could take a while.
# Tom in N.J. August 22nd, 2010 at 7:05 pm
Who is Ron McDonald?
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Here he is posing with Arroyo a few years back.
http://cache.boston.com/images.....R_RSst.jpg
Pat M -
Sounds like a plan. I’ll go with cracker jack.
Maine Yankee……Small samples my man, small samples…..The occasional salvos will be launched throughout the process…..
Betsy seems to have much more trouble praising members of her own team than the opponents.
Don’t understand why.
Doreen,
Like when you get your credit card statement?
Some radio guys were making very good sense today. Talking about how Tejada, Pettitte, Alex, and even macgwire all said they did it and are with potential WS teams right now (implying it’s not the end of the world). Said that Clemens made his own bed on this one, by going to congress and glad-handing all those congressmen.
MTU
My wife says I need to find a cow to milk so I guess I’m off.
Ron McDonald is that steroid using criminal in the Red Sox outfield. He fits right in with the other Red Sox criminals, Beckett, Youkilis, Nava, Beltre, Varitek, and so on. His name could be Darnell, but since he is a clown and his career is laughable, his name is better suited as Ron!
I had to laugh when I read your GPS stories yesterday. I had family visit last year, and the rental car is equipped with a GPS. Well, of course it couldn’t pronounce simpler Hawaiian names, but it got Kalanianaole Hwy. correct. I’m sure there’s a John Sterling nugget in there somewhere.
Maine-
Just be sure to keep your eyes fixed on where you are stepping, and be careful around the milking machines. They have a lot of suction.
Have a good evening.
GF, I figured it was either that clown, or the one who owns the farm and has a song about him. Because if Ron McDonald is Darnell, then he’s a little E, I, E,I, Old to be a young stud. He’s 31.
GF, what is your problem? Who should I be praising that I’m not? Buchholz is having a great year; I’m sorry – I don’t see the issue with saying that. Are only Yankees allowed to have great years? I guess so.
“As for your question as to whether I want to get into degrees of guilt, well, sure.”
Oh murphydog, where to begin?
You obviously mistunderstood my point regarding unclean hands. I’m hardly talking about degrees of guilt. You stated that Congress shouldn’t have turned this case over to the jury because of the doctrine of unclean hands. If you want only clean hands to enter into a court room you will have no cases. Are you understanding? There is probably nobody walking who has not broken some law at some point. (speeding being the most simple example). So then I don’t know that there can be an arbiter of which unclean hands should be allowed in and which should not. That gets pretty subjective, no?
There was a grand jury who felt strongly that Clemens allegedly lying to a Congressional committee was something that should be prosecuted.
The rest of it is merely opinions of whether or not it was cool, mine included . It’s being filtered through personal lenses, some of it through feelings about Congress, some of it thorough feelings about Clemens as pitching hero, some of it through questions about whether the punishment fits the crime, some of it through feelings about whether it is a wise expenditure of money given the economy of the country, some of it through feelings about following the strict letter of the law, some of it through a lot of things.
Clemens was the master of the outcome. It didn’t have to be this way. He just didn’t know when to shut up and when to let it go. I can’t fault Congress for that nor can I fault a grand jury for taking its job seriously.
I’m actually equally interested in seeing the outcome of the NY lawsuit.
btw, my last comment was a joke.
Betsy August 22nd, 2010 at 7:17 pm
GF, what is your problem? Who should I be praising that I’m not? Buchholz is having a great year; I’m sorry – I don’t see the issue with saying that. Are only Yankees allowed to have great years? I guess so
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Oh come on, Betsy.
You always go out of your way to praise the 3rd place team in some way shape or form and offer worry after worry regarding the team that’s been in front of them all season.
Downplaying Yankee achievements this season is your specialty.
# Tom in N.J. August 22nd, 2010 at 7:17 pm
GF, I figured it was either that clown, or the one who owns the farm and has a song about him. Because if Ron McDonald is Darnell, then he’s a little E, I, E,I, Old to be a young stud. He’s 31.
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Yeah, McDonald isn’t much of a stud, although he does get many kids excited at birthday parties.
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Oh my, the GPS lady in Hawaii??? I could only imagine.
Trisha-as you are well aware, the mere fact that a grand jury decided to approve an indictment does not mean anything…prosecutors can indict a ham sandwich if they want…
GF- LOL.
SYL, absolutely agree. However, this one from jump street screamed indictment. I would have been surprised if an indictment didn’t come down. In this one I’d much rather be the federal prosecutor than be Hardin.
trisha:
I know plenty of lawyers like you, unfortunately.
Have a nice evening.
“trisha:
I know plenty of lawyers like you, unfortunately.
Have a nice evening”
Geeze and I’m thinking the same about you. Small world.