Bautista has the last laugh
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Aug 23, 2010 
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Having already homered once and more-or-less challenged a rookie to a fight, Jose Bautista broke a eight-inning tie by hitting his 40th home run of the season tonight in Toronto. It was the first run Dave Robertson had allowed after 19 scoreless appearances, and it gave the Blue Jays a 3-2 win. Rookie Ivan Nova was terrific for the Yankees, having allowed only two runs on an earlier home run by Bautista.
Associated Press photo of Nova
well ended up losing by 1 (the botched call before bautista’s first homerun).
Did anyone, ANYONE think Jeter would come through in the 9th inning?
I don’t like to complain about umps too much, but the Jays should buy them dinner tonight…
jeter has become an automatic out in the 9th inning .
The Yankees didn’t hit and their pen gave it up before the Jays did – that’s the story of the game for most of these games against the Jays. Yanks can look back on these games if they don’t win the division……..
I don’t feel like getting upset, so I’m going to try and concentrate on the big positive – Ivan Nova.
The Jays are broaching Red Sox territory in terms of unlikability. Hate the way they play. Bautista thinks he’s Darryl Strawberry.
Bautista? Steroids?
People will say Toronto is a good team, but you have to find a way to win a game like tonight. Toronto’s bullpen is mediocre once you got Morrow out of the game, and you let their only good hitter in Bautista beat you twice.
Toronto is a decent team, but not as good as the Yankees make them look. You have to find ways to win one run games on the road against 4th place teams in your division, period.
The only reason teams like Boston and Tampa are hanging around is that the Yankees continue to lose games they need to be able to win.
For everyone saying you shouldn’t worry about Boston, they are only 5.5 games out with 5 weeks to go in this season. If the Yankees don’t find ways to beat teams that aren’t the bottom feeders of this league, they do not have anything even close to wrapped up.
Teams have blown far bigger leads than 5.5 games with far fewer games left in a season. If you can’t take care of your own business, you’re going to have to sweat it out all the way until the end.
Molina was sitting in the other batter’s box.
I guess Pat M was wrong. Because Molina showed up the umpire during the Gardner AB and has gotten 2 cheapo strikes 3s since – at least.
You CANT END a guy’s at bat in the 9th inning on cheap crap like that.
And our 2 losers Flash and Kenny are lauding and cheering a dirtbag like Bautista for cheering around the bases and staring down Robertson and showing up up “He really enjoyed number 40? “he enjoyed running around the bases on that one”
Bautista is a consummate Red Sox. He belongs on that team, through and through, and one day he will be on that team.
I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW NOBODY SEE THIS. It’s all just bad umpiring, and a player hitting mistake pitches.
That pitch by Robertson was supposed to be outside and it came back over the heart of the plate. BUt that same pitch to this same loser Bautista against the Red Sox is swung through for strike 3. How does nobody see it.
He was up there in that at bat to hit a HR to avenge “not even being thrown at” by Nova. But against the Red Sox, he doesn’t even have the intention of getting a bat on the ball. He’s more interested in taking his seat on the bench.
I knew it was a mistake to watch the end of this game. Jerry Chowder Meals ended this game with his strike 3 on Granderson. WTG Meals! Enjoy your Boston cream pie tonight!
This defeat is down to Girardi and his pathetic lineup. He did exactly the same thing in Tampa and we were shut out. There’s a time and place to ‘rest” players like Jeter. An opening game of a series in Toronto was neither the time and the place. Way to go Joe. Will you still be resting players when we’re 1 game up in the wild card race?
ESPN just showed the pitch to Granderson and the announcer said that pitch was definitely close and then said well Granderson strikes out a lot. Good try Sox nation that pitch was no where near the strike zone.
# IIOIIOIIO August 23rd, 2010 at 9:55 pm
# GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 9:53 pm
One out left and needing a run knocked in from 1st base, I think that I’d have used Kearns….but…
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I don’t know if it would have made a difference, and it’s not the reason we lost the game, but I would have rather seen Kearns over Jeter. Can’t believe I’m saying that though.
Well, can’t do much about it now. Too many strikeouts, funky floating zone, and an extra run on a blown call.
If TB loses, the standings at the top will be unchanged.
Nice debut from Nova.
“Did anyone, ANYONE think Jeter would come through in the 9th inning?”
Based on what we’ve seen so far this year, how could you? Guy can’t buy a hit in a big spot.
If we don’t get a solo HR from one of the key hitters, we are almost always screwed in the late innings.
Way to battle , Jete.
Enough with the steroid BS. Take that crap back to the Boston boards. They need more stupidity there.
# bruceb August 23rd, 2010 at 9:56 pm
This defeat is down to Girardi and his pathetic lineup. He did exactly the same thing in Tampa and we were shut out. There’s a time and place to ‘rest” players like Jeter. An opening game of a series in Toronto was neither the time and the place. Way to go Joe. Will you still be resting players when we’re 1 game up in the wild card race?
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You think not having Jeter in the lineup was the reason we lost the game? Come on.
GB, I too would have though Learns in that spot, but maybe Giradi didn’t want to burn two players in one ab….
GROW UP
It’s one stupid baseball game.
The Sux were 8-0 on the Yankees at one point last season. The Angels owned them.
Stop acting like a bunch of babies.
Lol @ ESPN. Cant fault them for doing their jobs for the Nation. That fat loser Molina was sitting in the other batter’s box and “that was close”? Whatever, thankfully I dont watch ESPN any longer.
Can someone pull up Granderson’s at bat from that website? Brooks baseball or something?
Considering we can’t beat this team and the Sox will kill the pathetic Mariners, the best we can hope for is not to get swept and leave town 4.5 up of a playoff spot.
Of course, Chicago won’t be a picnic either with Vazquez/Burnett pitching and facing Danks/Floyd.
The offense needs to wake up and sustain a good 2 weeks of hitting. Unfair to expect Mosely, Nova, AJ, Vazquez, and even Hughes to give up 2 runs or less in order to win on the road…
CR9…..Jose Molina is hardly some unknown rook, he’s been around a very long time and very well respected in the game …Yeah he turned on the Gardner oitch but it pales in comparison to the Pena sprint to 1st on a painted strike 3……..
And this blog decends into cesspool territiory….
Bye everyone!
here you go, m:
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....type=3.gif
just a terrible call
“Enough with the steroid BS. Take that crap back to the Boston boards. They need more stupidity there.”
GB, you don’t find it the least bit suspicious that Bautista, who used to be a 16HR guy, has 40 already and the season isn’t even over yet? What do you think it is? Wheaties?
Pat M. August 23rd, 2010 at 9:57 pm
GB, I too would have though Learns in that spot, but maybe Giradi didn’t want to burn two players in one ab….
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That would be my assumption, too Pat. Then again, need to tie it or go ahead and worry about needing some one else later.
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/.....type=3.gif
Pitch was so, so, so, so far outside.
Cant wait for the postseason – if we are fortunate enough to get there – to see all the cheap calls that will be coming our way. Balls and Strikes, most notably. We should be expecting more strike 3′s like to Granderson.
“because he strikes out alot” according to ESPN. I guess the defined strike zone doesnt matter to someone because they strike out a lot.
Jeter being out of the lineup did not make a difference in this game. This isn’t last year.
Enough with the steroid BS. Take that crap back to the Boston boards. They need more stupidity there.
==============It’s probably true.
IIOIIOIIO August 23rd, 2010 at 9:57 pm
# bruceb August 23rd, 2010 at 9:56 pm
This defeat is down to Girardi and his pathetic lineup. He did exactly the same thing in Tampa and we were shut out. There’s a time and place to ‘rest” players like Jeter. An opening game of a series in Toronto was neither the time and the place. Way to go Joe. Will you still be resting players when we’re 1 game up in the wild card race?
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You think not having Jeter in the lineup was the reason we lost the game? Come on
No, I don’t. But I do think having Pena, Nunez and Cervelli in the starting lineup cost us the game. We fielded a six-man team.
Pat M
NO! IT doesn’t pale in comparison. He’s well respected in the game because he’s a veteran, but turning around – AS A CATCHER – and talking crap to the umpire if FAR WORSE than sprinting down the baseline on BALL 4!
These comments are ridiculous. Some people are blaming the loss on jeter for one AB and others are saying he should have never gotten a day off. :eyeroll:
Night folks.
HoHo,
Thanks. Looks to be about .6 of a foot outside the zone? Jesus.
Let’s quit the steroid BS GreenBeret, but you can hear the crack of the bat and hear CORKED BATS!!!!!!
HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!
Get over yourself you old man!
Few questions
1. Why do we continue to let the steroid criminal beat us? STOP PITCHING TO HIM.
2. Why is Boston 4-12 against this team and they are 6-4 against us?
3. Why did Russell Branyon K 3 times today and not hit 2 moon shots like he does against us?
Thanks
We have said this before and we will say it again this season but this offense is brutal. It seems like 3-4 days a week they can’t get anything going. If Swish, Tex or Cano don’t hit a homerun the Yanks are scoring 2 runs or less. I hope Cashman has plans for fixing the lineup next year because they get shut down by garbage all the time. Between the all stars not performing and the bottom of the lineup looks like Scranton’s lineup.
Whatever happened to Questec?
ESPN=Exclusive Sox Patriots Network
This headline is wrong. THE YANKEES will have the last laugh this season. No big deal tonight. Nova looks legit, looks very talented. Keep him hungry and healthy. Morrow always pitches well against the yanks, its all good.
Jeter’s been very poor in high leverage situations this year. I guess because he would be facing harder throwers and producing more ground balls. Or guys who will get him to chase out of the zone like he has been doing this year.
At any rate, Jeter for Nunez should have been an upgrade, and I think if he had done anything Joe might have pinch hit kearns for Pena.
“The only reason teams like Boston and Tampa are hanging around is that the Yankees continu?e to lose games they need to be able to win.”
Seriously? Only in the minds of the most fearful are the Sux hanging around. And how about that the Rays are a good team?
The Yanks just won 3 out of 4 with Detroit and 2 out of 3 with Seattle and they scored 9 or more runs in 4 of them.
They’re corked bats, everyone. I can hear it through my speakers on the TV.
The players playing the game cant hear it, the manager, the umpires cant hear it, but I GREENBERET7 can hear it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEAHH!!!!!
Matt has a point , the pitch was waaaaay outside, borderline criminal. we only score 2 runs, can’t really bitch about opposing team showing you up, when you go down like a chump.
# Laura – I Bleed Blue August 23rd, 2010 at 10:00 pm
“Enough with the steroid BS. Take that crap back to the Boston boards. They need more stupidity there.”
GB, you don’t find it the least bit suspicious that Bautista, who used to be a 16HR guy, has 40 already and the season isn’t even over yet? What do you think it is? Wheaties?
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I know a lot of people will refuse to accept this, but most studies show that steroids and HGH do nothing to increase ability to hit homeruns.
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlo.....-steroids/
Joe Posnanski wrote a great piece in response to the study and there is a link in there to the main research article “Steroids, Other ‘Drugs’ and Baseball.” It’s really interesting stuff and might change your opinion on the so-called “Steroid Era.”
Honestly, I trust Nunez to have better ABs than I do Jeter. That was not the reason we lost this game. If we don’t get power production from the middle of the order, we usually don’t win. They have to figure out how to hit consistently on the road. Their H/R splits are much more drastic than they were last year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v46plhmxXU4
Have a good night all. Im about to break something over this umpire.
The Yankees aren’t good enough to put separation between themselves and the Rays and it doesn’t look like the Rays are good enough to do the same. The Sox are hanging around and they play the Yankees several more times……..(not sure if they play the Rays again). It’s too early to say if this will be a 3 team race, but even if it’s not……….this is going down to the wire.
by the way, i woulda pinch hit with Kearns or Thames there instead of Jeter , hoping for a blast really. but whatever, we lost.
Third straight series the Yanks have dropped the opener…hopefully the end result will be the same as the other two by wining the next two games.
Though Nova did well in his first start. Pretty impressed. Didn’t seem intimidated at all.
They have to start making better pitches to Bautista. He’s not nearly the same caliber hitter as Cabrera is but its kinda the same situation where you can’t keep letting the same guy beat you.
The pitch to Granderson was in the other batter’s box…umpire can’t let Molina just set up out there and then call it a strike because he hit the mitt….horrible.
we win 2 series in a row then go up against a good pitcher and loose and now its time to panic about making the playoffs again? Yanks goal should be 3-3 on the road trip then 7-3 or 8-2 on the next home stand. That would be 10-6 or 11-5 over the next two weeks. That means the redsox would have to play 12-4 or better baseball over the next two weeks just to cut a couple games off of our lead. Some people in here amaze me… if we win, were the greatest and no one can catch us but if we lose then its time to jump of a cliff because we will never make the playoffs with our horrid offense, starting rotation, manager, and starting pitching. Get real people…
Laura – I Bleed Blue August 23rd, 2010 at 10:00 pm
“Enough with the steroid BS. Take that crap back to the Boston boards. They need more stupidity there.”
GB, you don’t find it the least bit suspicious that Bautista, who used to be a 16HR guy, has 40 already and the season isn’t even over yet? What do you think it is? Wheaties?
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a little strength conditioning, but, he’s also changed the way he used to hit. He used to try hitting for average and being more patient and when that didn’t work, they changed his swing and approach. It’s not likely that that whole team was on steroids and not him last year and this year, he’s the only one that is.
Maris and Mattingly made one slight adjustment and went from singles and doubles to hitting homers. Gaston was a fine hitter in his day and an outstanding hitting instructor.
m August 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 pm
HoHo,
Thanks. Looks to be about .6 of a foot outside the zone? Jesus
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I follow the Pitchfx on Brooks Baseball nearly every night because it’s actually pretty hard to tell what is and what is no a strike on tv. That said, that pitch to Granderson was one of the worst calls I’ve seen on Pitchfx. Probably didn’t change the outcome of the game, but you gotta wonder what the umpire saw.
Can’t really be making accusations when we’ve had/have some of our own. Bautista has likely been tested.
That’s the first loss this season without Alex in the lineup. The spell doesn’t work anymore. Hurry back.
“The Yanks just won 3 out of 4 with Detroit and 2 out of 3 with Seattle and they scored 9 or more runs in 4 of them.”
oh please. They just won WS last year, does this mean they should take a break this year?
It’s too early to say if this will be a 3 team race, but even if it’s not……….this is going down to the wire.
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betsy , if it is going down to the wire , it’s a three team race.
# CR9 August 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 pm
They’re corked bats, everyone. I can hear it through my speakers on the TV.
The players playing the game cant hear it, the manager, the umpires cant hear it, but I GREENBERET7 can hear it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEAHH!!!!!
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It would take you about four seconds to do some research and find that corked bats have a negative effect on hitting ability. Just because ball players do it, doesn’t mean it works.
I will be very disappointed if they don’t drill bastard tomorrow.
“We have said this before and we will say it again this season but this offense is brutal.”
I repeat, the offense scored 9 runs or more in 4 of the last 7 games. So your comment is totally ridiculous.
Morrow is a very good pitcher, the Jays have a good bullpen and a good closer.
Deal with it. The Yankees won’t win every game and it isn’t reason for deep despair and overreaction every time they lose a game!
Jeter sees so few pitches these days.
Why has his approach changed so drastically?
It also seems to have effected Swisher who, last season, went 3-2 almost every AB.
Good point about the pinch hitter too. When was the last time Jeter hit a ball out of the park. 2004?
I don’t understand. Why is it so bad for fans to get upset when the Yankees lose? Why can’t fans be upset? Do they always have to shrug off loses? Can no one ever be upset at a loss? I’m not calling anyone on the Yankees out but I don’t get why it’s so wrong to be po’ed when your team loses? I’m fuming and think bautista is an arse for his childish behavior and I think the Yankees blew some opportunities so yes. I’m po’ed. Is that wrong?
IIO
That’s what the great GreenBeret7 claims. He can hear corked bats on TV. I was pretending to be senile like GB!
Anyone asking the yankees to do better should realize you’re basically asking the 2009 yankees to do better. The only difference between this season and 2009 is that the Rays happen to be good.
The yankees are just as good, they arent going to win 116 games. They will win between 97 and 105. What more do you want?
Yeah I’m with Erica. I don’t care to hang out with the embarrassing faction of lohud so I will leave so they can all go through their bogus complaining together.
I don’t think pitchers should go away from their strengths in order to get Bautista out – just make better pitches. Moseley, I don’t expect much from. Phil? No reason to avoid throwing his FB, just don’t throw it in his wheelhouse.
The Yankees need to start hitting the Jays pitching – for the post part they haven’t, esp. the pen.
Why has his approach changed so drastically?
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Swinging more, going out of the zone more, getting beat on pitches he used to foul off.
“I know a lot of people will refuse to accept this, but most studies show that steroids and HGH do nothing to increase ability to hit homeruns.”
I’d like to believe that’s true for Alex’s sake, but you can’t tell me that McGwire, Sosa and Bonds would have had 70+ HR seasons w/o being on the juice.
Cash, that doesn’t make any sense. It can’t go down to the wire between the Rays and the Yankees?
Tough loss, but in a 162 game schedule it happens.
Gardner’s throw and Cano’s walk AB were a lot of fun to watch.
I liked what I saw from Nova.
I didn’t think the pitch to Bautista was even that close to him and thought he over-reacted. I will leave it up to the coaches and players if retaliation is in order. IMO I say yes, drill him when the time is right.
“Good stuff….really” is a Pete Abeism if I ever heard one. “mike10778″ don’t you have a story to go write, you dimwit troll.
# CR9 August 23rd, 2010 at 10:08 pm
IIO
That’s what the great GreenBeret7 claims. He can hear corked bats on TV. I was pretending to be senile like GB!
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I don’t know anything about “hearing” corked bats, but I do know they don’t work.
sunny-
a Great team will lose 60 games in a season. It always hurts to lose but this game is over and its time to get ready for tomorrow and tie this series at 1-1.
but you can’t tell me that McGwire, Sosa and Bonds would have had 70+ HR seasons w/o being on the juice.
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How did anyone hit 60 Hrs before them????????? The ball and stadiums and watered down pitching due to expansion are more likely the reason than anything.
It’s just dumb to PH Jeter at this point. Probably 2 people expected he could deliver.
“I don’t understand. Why is it so bad for fans to get upset when the Yankees lose? Why can’t fans be upset? Do they always have to shrug off loses?”
Let me turn it around Sunny. Can some of these people EVER shrug off a loss? Maybe the reason it’s so revolting is because they don’t show any sign of understanding a baseball season and the fact that teams do lose games. EVERY F’N loss is the same BS here. That’s why people aren’t into it.
Jerkface, the offense isn’t nearly as good as last year…………
In any case, onto the positive: I’m sure this buys Nova another start or two. How will the Yankees handle this? Skip Javy? DL him? I don’t know if they can DL him given that Phil will have to be skipped once or twice – and that will be happening soon. Go with a 6 man rotation? I don’t see it either.
I don’t think it’s wrong to be mad.
But to single out individual players (ad nauseum) in a team losing effort is ridiculous. And stupid.
Yes, you can get on Gardner for his approach. But his approach has him near the top in OBP for the team? He was 0-for-2 yesterday, but still managed to get on base 3 times (was he HBP? If not, 2 times).
Anyway, Alex is out. Berkman is out. The lineup is short. Can’t do much about it. You play with the cards you’re dealt.
Bautista would NEVER have the balls to do what he did against another team. Definitely not the Sox. But then again they wouldn’t let him beat them with cookies. How many homeruns do the Yanks have to give up to him to realize they aren’t pitching him right??? It’s pathetic already.
Jerkface, the offense isn’t nearly as good as last year…………
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And the pitching last year wasn’t as good as it has been this year. And the defense. and the team speed.
This is why they need HFA in the playoffs… the offense is a much different animal at home than on the road. .730 OPS on the road, .838 at home.
Forget Morrow – they had 3 innings to score off the Jays pen and they did nothing.
Get the offense away from Yankee Stadium and its pedestrian.
tar – why is this a tough loss? What loss isn’t a tough loss? And that’s a genuine question because I know you’re rational.
# Laura – I Bleed Blue August 23rd, 2010 at 10:09 pm
“I know a lot of people will refuse to accept this, but most studies show that steroids and HGH do nothing to increase ability to hit homeruns.”
I’d like to believe that’s true for Alex’s sake, but you can’t tell me that McGwire, Sosa and Bonds would have had 70+ HR seasons w/o being on the juice.
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I understand that it seems counter-intuitive, but there are many factors that may have lead to the change in homerun rates. I highly recommend Posnanski’s response to the study if you don’t feel like reading through the relatively dense research itself. It’s truly worth your time if you’re at all interested in the “actual” rather than the “perceived” effects of so-called performance enhancing drugs.
Kazmir still hates us. Leadoff HR, HBP, walk.
Jesus Christ, Kazmir. Get it together.
Just saw the score from the Trenton game, looks like Banuelos is having the same problem up there as he had in Tampa. No run support, he gave up 6ER but the team behind him only managed 2 hits.
“I don’t think it’s wrong to be mad.”
mel, do you mean because of poor officiating?
Let me turn it around Sunny. Can some of these people EVER shrug off a loss? Maybe the reason it’s so revolting is because they don’t show any sign of understanding a baseball season and the fact that teams do lose games. EVERY F’N loss is the same BS here. That’s why people aren’t into it.
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trisha, you seem to be upset about people being upset.
Jerkface, they aren’t going to win or lose based on their D………their D was fine last year. Team speed? I don’t see that as having a big effect either. Their pitching is better, but right now their rotation is not very good. Then again, that’s not why they lost tonight.
Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 10:10 pm
but you can’t tell me that McGwire, Sosa and Bonds would have had 70+ HR seasons w/o being on the juice.
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How did anyone hit 60 Hrs before them????????? The ball and stadiums and watered down pitching due to expansion are more likely the reason than anything
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These are exactly the arguments that Erik Walker makes in his research paper. Looking at the statistics from each era, the performance enhancing drug argument begins to unravel.
Nobody is ever allowed to say anything bad about the Yankees on this site. I have a message for those fans who don’t feel bad about each and every loss, particularly the games you could and should have won. YOU’RE NOT FANS.
# m August 23rd, 2010 at 10:13 pm
Kazmir still hates us. Leadoff HR, HBP, walk.
Jesus Christ, Kazmir. Get it together.
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Kazmir is so terrible now. It’s kinda sad to see.
“I know a lot of people will refuse to accept this, but most studies show that steroids and HGH do nothing to increase ability to hit homeruns.”
Not the studies I’ve read. It really stretches the imagation a little too much to see Brady Anderson hit 56 home runs in one season and say that PEDs have no effect.
Tampa has a 10 point difference in home/road OPS
Boston has a 30 point difference
Yankees have a 100 point difference
bruceb August 23rd, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Nobody is ever allowed to say anything bad about the Yankees on this site. I have a message for those fans who don’t feel bad about each and every loss, particularly the games you could and should have won. YOU’RE NOT FANS
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Everyone is different. I don’t think that someone who complains or takes each loss in stride is anymore or any less of a fan than another. While it gets a little painful to deal with those who act with such irrationality after a loss, I try not to judge anyone based on their reaction to a “game.”
“Kazmir still hates us. Leadoff HR, HBP, walk.
Jesus Christ, Kazmir. Get it together.”
lol… looks like we’re not going to get help tonight from TB/BOS
Amazing how Kazmir has fizzled out… you just can’t tell with some young pitchers. Kazmir looked like he was going to be a star lefty.
The question isn’t is Bautista on something, the question is what is he on?! It’s obviously something new that the drug test isn’t picking up. You don’t go from the Pirates back up infielder to a 40 homerun guy. Overnight he turned into Arod, me a break
peace out peeps, have a good night.
Jerkface, they aren’t going to win or lose based on their D
but right now their rotation is not very good. Then again, that’s not why they lost tonight.
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Really???? Do you believe this? Defense matters, its why the rays went from worst to first. And why they suffered a down year in 08. And are now doing very well again.
If you look at it game by game, in the last 30 games the yankees pitching and runs allowed have been fine. Most of the times they have given up a lot of runs was in blowouts. A lot of 3 run and 2 run games in there.
You give this defense and pitching staff to the 09 offense and they’d win 115 games. Even with injuries they are doing well.
Ouch, that’s awful……………and disappointing. That said, they have a good road record.
Nova looked good tonight.
Bautista is pretty cocky for being on a team that’s going to finish in 4th place….but no matter, let him be cocky. Hughes will clonk him on Wednesday and all will be right in the baseball world.
Most important point: Let’s see if Moseley can shake off this alternating win/loss pattern he seems to have.
# trisha – true pinstriped blue August 23rd, 2010 at 10:17 pm
“I know a lot of people will refuse to accept this, but most studies show that steroids and HGH do nothing to increase ability to hit homeruns.”
Not the studies I’ve read. It really stretches the imagation a little too much to see Brady Anderson hit 56 home runs in one season and say that PEDs have no effect.
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Fair enough. I’m not going to try and convince you to believe what I do, I just found the study relatively intriguing and thought some people here might be interested in other factors at play when it comes to home runs.
“I know a lot of people will refuse to accept this, but most studies show that steroids and HGH do nothing to increase ability to hit homeruns.”
So then how do we explain David Ortiz?
The yankees have never been a team with such a huge home/road split. Probably a fluke.
Let’s add on a pickoff throwing error on top of it!
trisha,
No. Just responding to sunny’s philosophical query above.
I get what you’re saying but some folks can’t just say “yup this is a part of that 60 that they’ll lose this year” and just look forward to the next game literally one minute after the end of the game. Some people have to dwell on it for a while before they cool off – it’s unfortunate but some people have the need to vent and say things that they should know better. I do it sometimes. This one was definitely a tough loss to swallow. And bautistas actions didn’t help. I don’t advocate calling out any players but general venting I think I can handle and sometimes understand. Some people seem perpetually negative and I do understand getting tired of their constant ranting, but overall, I think the board is going to be somewhat negative after a loss. That has to be expected.
Harden was pitching no-hitter against the Rangers and was just pulled from the game after 6 2/3s with no-hitter intact. No-hitter still intact but I bet Harden is peeved.
“How did anyone hit 60 Hrs before them????????? The ball and stadiums and watered down pitching due to expansion are more likely the reason than anything.”
And what? That all of a sudden changed? No, what changed is that testing is widespread and guys are afraid to get caught so they quit. I’m not saying that there aren’t players good enough to hit a lot of HRs. There are some hitters that are just born great (i.e. Pujols, Alex, Cabrera). However, IMO, some of the jacks that users got during those days came from steroid use. Can it be proven? No. But it’s what I believe and in the end, my opinion is the one I care about the most.
Jerkface, their D was fine last year……All I said was the offense was not nearly as good as 2009. You brought up the other stuff…..I don’t even remember what the point was. Suffice to say that the pitching will have to be great because this offense is extremely inconsistent.
“Nobody is ever allowed to say anything bad about the Yankees on this site. I have a message for those fans who don’t feel bad about each and every loss, particularly the games you could and should have won. YOU’RE NOT FANS.”
And you’ve decided we should have and could have won this game? Maybe the Jays fans would have felt the same way if they lost the game.
And check this out. There is a difference between feeling bad and flipping out like wounded animals, blaming everone and everything Yankee and sounding like you’re one step away from the booby hatch (not talking about you but the posters who do that here anytime the Yankees lose)
Losses don’t make me feel bad, so I guess I’m not a fan. Thanks for the info. I guess I’ll stop following baseball. And on my way out I’ll stop in the Yankee clubhouse and explain to the players that since I never get upset when they lose and support their efforts no matter what, I’m not a real fan.
IIOIIOIIO August 23rd, 2010 at 10:10 pm
# CR9 August 23rd, 2010 at 10:08 pm
IIO
That’s what the great GreenBeret7 claims. He can hear corked bats on TV. I was pretending to be senile like GB!
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I don’t know anything about “hearing” corked bats, but I do know they don’t work.
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Actually, it does work. Not always cork, but, guys have been doctoring bats forever. Some drill holes in the bottom of the bat to remove the weight and retain the mass….stuff the hole with bits of cork, or, insert a long vial of mercury in it and fill the hole with wood putty and then revarnish the bat to cover up. That was Norm Cash’s technique back in 1961 to go from a .270 hitter to win a batting title by hitting .361. Never got close again to .290 after he was caught. Nettles used 3 superballs. Did well until the bat came apart and the balls were rolling all over the batter’s box. some batters use a bottle cap and carve grooves in the bats to give the ball backspin. It’s all called corking, mainly because that’s how it started. The ball sounds different coming off of the bat. It;s really noticable at the parks, but, you can hear the sound, too.
# Tank August 23rd, 2010 at 10:20 pm
“I know a lot of people will refuse to accept this, but most studies show that steroids and HGH do nothing to increase ability to hit homeruns.”
So then how do we explain David Ortiz?
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Please read Joe Posnanski’s essay about this, it’s truly interesting.
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlo.....-steroids/
Swisher, Cano, and Gardner , our 3 best hitters have very good home AND road splits. The big disparity is due to Jeter, A-rod, Posada, and Tex.
I wonder if its old age for the 3 and fluke for Tex
Yank1
Funny you mention the home/road offense splits… because the home/road pitching splits are equally as stark.
Yankees are 22nd in baseball in home ERA (4.14)
Yanks are 2nd in baseball in road ERA (3.57)
They have given up the fewest road HRs and tied with Arizona for most HRs given up at home.
I don’t think Phil will be hitting Bautista. For one, the game is over with; for another, he’s not an intimidator.
Trisha
I thought Bautista’s HR shenanigans was demeaning to the Yankees. IMO he overreacted. It made it a “tough” loss for me. However I am patient, and you know what they say about payback.
This reminds me of that Aubrey Huff Joba incident last year. Annoying game.
“but overall, I think the board is going to be somewhat negative after a loss. That has to be expected.”
I guess you’re right Sunny. But geeze, if posters know that no team goes 162-0, you think that there would be a little slack at least some of the time. But there never is. Heck when the Yankees win there’s negativity if some Yankee player isn’t perfect. I think it’s pretty messed up but hey. It is what it is, right.
That is true Betsy. But, Bautista’s actions won’t go unpunished….will they?
Blake-
“Though Nova did well in his first start. Pretty impressed. Didn’t seem intimidated at all.”
I thought so too. First time I’ve seen him. Sat 94-95 and touched 97-98. Nice CU, and except for the pitch to Bautista, nice curve too.
Only gave up 1 walk. Let’s see more. I think Javy sits for a while, you ?
To be honest, I actually shouldn’t be so disappointed we lost tonight. As soon as I saw the lineup I knew we would more than likely lose. What hurt me the most was watching Nova pitch so admirably and then see our pathetic offense let him down. Even allowing for the three stooges at the bottom of the lineup, the All Stars in the middle should have done better. I still feel this was a “dump” game by Girardi.
Jerkface, their D was fine last year……All I said was the offense was not nearly as good as 2009. You brought up the other stuff…..I don’t even remember what the point was. Suffice to say that the pitching will have to be great because this offense is extremely inconsistent.
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You were responding to my point about this years yankees being as good (win/loss wise) as the 09 yankees with a retort that the offense wasn’t as good. My point is OK, but everything else is better!
And there is a big difference between having a ‘fine defense’ and one which leads the league in defensive efficiency.
Those are outs on the board.
Its just a lot to ask from the yankees to win at a pace greater than the 09 yankees put up. A 100 win pace. You’re reaching the limits of ‘good team’ and pressing into ‘historic best team ever’ asking the yankees to win 115. Not saying you are doing that, but people here wondering why we didnt win every game or whatever.
GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 pm
IIOIIOIIO August 23rd, 2010 at 10:10 pm
# CR9 August 23rd, 2010 at 10:08 pm
IIO
That’s what the great GreenBeret7 claims. He can hear corked bats on TV. I was pretending to be senile like GB!
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I don’t know anything about “hearing” corked bats, but I do know they don’t work.
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Actually, it does work. Not always cork, but, guys have been doctoring bats forever. Some drill holes in the bottom of the bat to remove the weight and retain the mass….stuff the hole with bits of cork, or, insert a long vial of mercury in it and fill the hole with wood putty and then revarnish the bat to cover up. That was Norm Cash’s technique back in 1961 to go from a .270 hitter to win a batting title by hitting .361. Never got close again to .290 after he was caught. Nettles used 3 superballs. Did well until the bat came apart and the balls were rolling all over the batter’s box. some batters use a bottle cap and carve grooves in the bats to give the ball backspin. It’s all called corking, mainly because that’s how it started. The ball sounds different coming off of the bat. It;s really noticable at the parks, but, you can hear the sound, too
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I’m not sure Norm Cash’s season in 1961 would qualify as scientific proof that “corking” of any kind is effective. The best study I’ve seen on the subject is here: http://paws.kettering.edu/~dru.....edbat.html
The results show that balls from doctored bats travel slower and with less distance than those from regular bats.
If NYY can’t take care of their own business by winning and having to depend on other teams to do it for them, they don’t deserve to win the title.
Tar, Bautista was likely reacting to what he considered to be a ball thrown at him. It was probably his version of “so there!” I don’t ever get upset with grandstanding but I know a lot of people do. But now I know what you mean.
What I love about the majority of the Yankees is that they go out and play the games to win and don’t get caught up in the emotional bs. So I think you’ll see a team serious about trying to win the next game and not a team just sitting there scheming ways to get back at Bautista. The Yankees are in first and the Jays are in 4th. That should be enough to get the players beyond this game. I know it will be. (Well let me say I hope it will be. The Yankees don’t need any late-season injuries or suspensions!)
I think people are more on-edge after losses because we’re in a legit pennant race. Tampa is probably going to be tied with us again after tonight
Boston has yet to really go away completely, even though the paranoia about them is somewhat silly. It’s frustrating watching that hobbled team not fall more than 6.5 back and seemingly winning every series they play, but they are still a ways back.
This time last year, Tampa was dead. WC was in hand, last meaningful series we played was taking 2/3 in Fenway in late August and putting them 9 back. They couldn’t hit on the road and we knew they were dead as far as the division is concerned. Much different outlook this year… none of our competitors are fading like they did at this time last year.
Fine. Don’t accept it, but ask Pat M. or Randy about corking bats.
GB-
What did you think of Nova’s performance tonite ?
Ok, Jerkface – that’s very fair. What it comes down to is the Rays and Yanks are both good teams (not great – and I’m not sure how close to “very good” they are) with flaws. If I were a Rays fan, perhaps I’d be saying similar things to what I’m saying.
GB-
The Mythbusters also did an experiment on this. They concluded that because corking or doctoring the bat in anyway decreases the mass of the bat, the resulting speed of the batted ball is lower.
Fine. Don’t accept it, but ask Pat M. or Randy about corking bats.
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Noted scientists full of anecdotal evidence I’m sure. Go ask some peasants circa 1200 about the earth bein’ flat while you’re at it.
Batters have also used finishing nails in the bats to get a more solid surface on the bat.
Joyce about to umpire a no hit game in Texas
GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Fine. Don’t accept it, but ask Pat M. or Randy about corking bats
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Listen, I’m not trying to be difficult here, I’ve never used a corked bat myself. But I’m just showing you scientific evidence that proves the act does nothing to improve performance. I understand that it’s a time worn technique for gaining an advantage, but it’s just hard for me to ignore the evidence.
GB, I completely agree – but they’ll have the chance to win or lose on their own merits because they’ll be playing the Sox and Rays a lot. If they blow a playoff spot or even the division, it’s simply because they were not good enough.
I asked this question earlier, but I think it got lost in the game thread. Are pitching mechanics taught at a young age (like Little League) or are they just a product of an individual’s natural delivery?
the good…nova has a chance to pitch in the majors. good velocity. Pena got 2 hits. made morrow work, only lasted 6 innings . gardner another assist
bad. pena terrible baserunning. the safe call at first on escobar(he was out). the granderson strike 3(ball) in the 9th. gardner watched a good game at the plate…robertson missed his spot by 24 inches on the homer. cervelli sucks…….
Okay onward and upward.
Please remember that the team that lost tonight still has the best record in baseball. And they lost games along the way to get there. And they will lose more still. And continue to be the team with the rest record in baseball.
XOX
Losses don’t make me feel bad, so I guess I’m not a fan.
Clearly, you are not. I remember going out partying the night the Yanks lost the ALCS to the Red Sox in 2004. What real fan doesn’t mind if his or her team loses. Duh.
What it comes down to is the Rays and Yanks are both good teams
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Yes the only difference between 09 and 10 is that there is a legit third team in the race. If the Rays were playing like the 09 Rays boston would be in the wild card and we’d be cruising in first.
Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 10:30 pm
Fine. Don’t accept it, but ask Pat M. or Randy about corking bats.
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Noted scientists full of anecdotal evidence I’m sure. Go ask some peasants circa 1200 about the earth bein’ flat while you’re at it
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See, that’s the thing, I’m showing scientific studies with statistical evidence and people are acting like I’m just giving my opinion. I’m not trying to make someone feel stupid or anything, I myself learned about this from reading these same studies and I thought they were interesting enough to share.
MTU,
Yea, I’d strongly think about skipping his next start. I don’t think he’s scheduled to throw until Sunday so Nova could make that start. I guess we’ll see how it shakes out. Hopefully Mosley can keep them in the game tomorrow and the bats show up.
IIOIIOIIO August 23rd, 2010 at 10:29 pm
GB-
The Mythbusters also did an experiment on this. They concluded that because corking or doctoring the bat in anyway decreases the mass of the bat, the resulting speed of the batted ball is lower.
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It doesn’t decrease mass…only weight. Same thing with the vial of mercury. The weight shifts to the end of the bat as it’s swung and increases the speed of the bat.
Maybe Selena Roberts can tell us what Bautista is using because it’s obviously something. A backup infielder has 40 homeruns and will probably hit over 50 and a 4th place team out of no where leads the majors in homeruns. Something is going on….
“What real fan doesn’t mind if his or her team loses. Duh.”
A flippin’ mature fan who roots for the team unconditionally. A well-adjusted fan who realizes that the season is a marathon and not a sprint. A fan with enough faith in the team that she unequivocally knows and trusts that they will be there in the end. An intelligent enough fan who knows that no team goes 162-0 so that losses never put her in a tail spin. DUH!
So go on and cry me a river after each loss. That makes you a true fan.
This is into the territory of ‘why would people do it if it doesn’t work?’ , its because of people like GB7 and apparently Pat M and Randy. Someone says “Hey fill this bat with mercury and it will make your bat faster!” and then surprise, it doesn’t.
Trisha. It is unfortunate that theres always gonna be a couple of people out there who do expect 162 straight wins for some ungodly reason and I’m sure there are always going to be a couple of people who will find something moronic to complain about no matter what (a poster named Sam comes to mind way back when Feinsand was covering the Yankees for the MLB blogs before this blog was even a twinkle in lohud’s eye). I think in general the tough losses are harder to swallow the the blowouts. It’s not fun to read but maybe it’s cathartic for these kinds of folks.
GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 10:33 pm
IIOIIOIIO August 23rd, 2010 at 10:29 pm
GB-
The Mythbusters also did an experiment on this. They concluded that because corking or doctoring the bat in anyway decreases the mass of the bat, the resulting speed of the batted ball is lower.
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It doesn’t decrease mass…only weight. Same thing with the vial of mercury. The weight shifts to the end of the bat as it’s swung and increases the speed of the bat
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I’m not just making this stuff up, it’s backed up by scientific evidence. Weight and mass are highly proportional. Changes in weight affect mass.
Jerkface ……..good teams, not great. Each of these teams has flaws – but then, there are not great teams in baseball this year. The Yankees just can’t seem to get on a roll this year……………..
Nova looks like a moderately wealthy man’s version of Felix Hernandez.
beckjason Damon said postgame he’s leaning toward staying with #Tigers
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Woohoo!!
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My computer stopped working on me – bad connection or something!!!!
I don’t mind so much that they lost, but I hate that Bautista got the winning HR. Hate it.
And the Rays get to face Kazmir, so I’m guessing the seesaw balances again tonight. Gonna be a wild ride this last month.
Betsy August 23rd, 2010 at 10:31 pm
GB, I completely agree – but they’ll have the chance to win or lose on their own merits because they’ll be playing the Sox and Rays a lot. If they blow a playoff spot or even the division, it’s simply because they were not good enough.
I asked this question earlier, but I think it got lost in the game thread. Are pitching mechanics taught at a young age (like Little League) or are they just a product of an individual’s natural delivery?
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yeah, the basics of pitching mechanics are taught, Betsy. They tune them up as they go along. Hopefully, the kid doesn’t have some idiot that has no clue and starts showing them how to throw breaking pitches before the age of 14 or 15, though. so many kids get abused or hurt by idiot parents or coaches.
Blake-
I guess they’ll have to decide who currently gives them a greater opportunity to win at this time- Javy or Nova. If they think Nova can get it done they might just sit Javy down for a turn and see what happens next time. The rest can only do him good.
Hoping Moseley has an excellent game.
Stop with the 162-0 nonsense.
Nobody expects any team to win every game they play. What people do expect is for their team to not take as many unnecessary losses as this team does.
Despite what you think, they are not going to be handed anything because they have the best record in baseball tonight or because they are the Yankees. Like every team, they have to earn what they get, and the more games they lose that they should have won, the harder it becomes to earn that and the less room there is for error.
Good for you that you never get upset after a loss. Maybe you should just turn on the television for the first time in October because until then apparently, no game ever matters because it’s “only (insert month).”
So stop tossing around the insults and the hyperbole, and accept that there are other fans who are more into the games that happen on the field. You are not the ultimate or supreme fan even if you want to think you are, and if you can’t accept that, then there’s nothing left to say.
GB-
That being said, it is possible that mass within the context of the television show was used interchangeably with weight. I think it’s unlikely as they, as scientists, would have stayed true to the scientific definitions of each, but possible. So I may be misunderstanding their definitions. Haha, I’m FAR from a scientist.
Nova handled himself quite well in the postgame.
damon will go to the sux. he loves the spotlight. these guys live for it. he is a mercenary and we will be booing him in about 2 weeks. watch.
hope I am wrong..
Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 10:35 pm
This is into the territory of ‘why would people do it if it doesn’t work?’ , its because of people like GB7 and apparently Pat M and Randy. Someone says “Hey fill this bat with mercury and it will make your bat faster!” and then surprise, it doesn’t.
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Continue being an ignorant jack ass. that names suits you to a tee.
Didn’t Melancon hit/throw behind a bluejays batter last year which resulted in a fight involving posada later in the game? I think Nova did great and throwing at Batista showed he’s got balls to not be intimidated. He also didn’t let the home run get to him like some might. I hope he gets another start or 2 this season. Maybe not against the home run happy blue jays
Trisha
). Winning is of course number one priority. And you are right it was a case of “so there”. But, It didn’t sit well with me, and I just don’t think it went over too well in the Yankee clubhouse either.
I agree with you (no surprise
So…if it’s a blow-out and let’s say Gaudin or maybe Mitre is pitching I would not be too comfortable in the box if I was bautista.
“The Yankees just can’t seem to get on a roll this year……………..”
Agree. And that is in large part due to their offense, especially on the road. Every couple of games, they have a “thud” performance that prevents winning streaks and the pitching isin’t going to be perfect every time…. Even with the injuries, the pitching has done as well as you could expect, except Vazquez lately.
Continue being an ignorant jack ass. that names suits you to a tee.
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You’re the one ignoring actual facts.
IIOIIOIIO August 23rd, 2010 at 10:40 pm
GB-
That being said, it is possible that mass within the context of the television show was used interchangeably with weight. I think it’s unlikely as they, as scientists, would have stayed true to the scientific definitions of each, but possible. So I may be misunderstanding their definitions. Haha, I’m FAR from a scientist.
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They aren’t scientists. They’re mechanics and tinkers.
“trisha, you seem to be upset about people being upset.”
cashmoney, I just saw your post. I think what upsets me is that people seem to be incapable of dealing with a Yankee loss. There is always blicthing and moaning and complaining and accusing.
Just once I’d love to see an atmosphere of acceptance and understanding after a loss. Once! It’s like people have discovered baseball for the first time and nobody ever explained to them that teams will lose during a season.
“damon will go to the sux. he loves the spotlight. these guys live for it. he is a mercenary and we will be booing him in about 2 weeks. watch.”
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yeah, you are right.
i’ll believe he is staying in detroit when i see it. he lives for moments like this, he is a mercenary… he probably wants to restore his sox legacy and get those fans on his side again. and he knows being a red sock, media coverage will be positive/favorable towards him/
The Yankees this year have scored 3 or fewer runs 41 times so far this year including tonight, which has equaled their total for all of last season and in 37 fewer games.
So yes, what you are seeing on the fields is indeed taking place with regards to the offense this season.
But I guess I’m now a “bridge jumper” and “expect them to go 162-0″ for having the nerve to point out that this team is not playing the quality of ball that they could be doing out there.
# GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
IIOIIOIIO August 23rd, 2010 at 10:40 pm
GB-
That being said, it is possible that mass within the context of the television show was used interchangeably with weight. I think it’s unlikely as they, as scientists, would have stayed true to the scientific definitions of each, but possible. So I may be misunderstanding their definitions. Haha, I’m FAR from a scientist.
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They aren’t scientists. They’re mechanics and tinkers.
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I’m not referring to the Mythbusters as scientists, but the authors of the study I linked to you earlier. I was only bringing up the Mythbusters because they did an experiment that is widely available should anyone wish to see it. That being said, what the Mythbusters test has already been proven by science. They aren’t making scientific discoveries, but rather testing what has already been determined to be fact. I believe the two of them actually did special effects in commercials and such.
“So…if it’s a blow-out and let’s say Gaudin or maybe Mitre is pitching I would not be too comfortable in the box if I was bautista.”
I hear you.
Trisha,
Today Mike Francesca said on the FAN that the Yankees had to go 25 and 13 to get 102 wins.
Last night you posted the number of games we thought the Yankees would win this year. I took 100 and thought that was a lot. I still do. I forget how many wins the Sox need to get to 100 and I don’t want to look while I am writing this, but it is an enormous number of wins to get to the same place.
Just thought I might add that. Also on that list many LoHudders used a far lower number of wins. Most of us thought the Yankees would make the playoffs with the numbers we chose.
GB, thanks! I was wondering this because we talked earlier of Nova not hiding the ball well and that got me thinking about why pitchers have the mechanics they do. Guys that repeat their deliveries – CC, Mo, Phil – and who hid the ball pretty well learned this as kids? It makes you wonder why all major leaguers don’t learn the same things…………….As you say, bad pitching coaches.
yea, the yanks are the only team in baseball that loses games they should win. The rays and sox never blow games. Oh wait, last saturday the rays had two errors in the 8th inning causing them to lose. funny how that works huh?
The Yankees this year have scored 3 or fewer runs 41 times so far this year including tonight, which has equaled their total for all of last season and in 37 fewer games.
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They have also given up 100 less runs.
beckjason Damon said postgame he’s leaning toward staying with #Tigers.
Whatever happens to the Yankees in the postseason, Bautista, Cito, and the Jays will be watching it from their couches. The best revenge is living well . . .
What real fan doesn’t mind if his or her team loses. Duh.”
A flippin’ mature fan who roots for the team unconditionally. A well-adjusted fan who realizes that the season is a marathon and not a sprint. A fan with enough faith in the team that she unequivocally knows and trusts that they will be there in the end. An intelligent enough fan who knows that no team goes 162-0 so that losses never put her in a tail spin. DUH!
So go on and cry me a river after each loss. That makes you a true fan.
There’s a difference between being a “mature, well-adjusted fan” and a person who has enough understanding of sport in general, and baseball in particular, to be able to analyze the decision making of the manager and criticize him on occasions. Why did the Yankees lose tonight? Was it because of the rookie pitcher they threw out there? Or was it because the manager didn’t feel the game was of sufficient importance to play a full-strength lineup? Go back to your pathetic platitudes you Yankee apologist.
And this team also has a huge home/road split for pretty much every hitter outside of Cano, which has to be concerning. Last year’s team’s trademark was hitting both at home and on the road, and that’s why they managed to win in the playoffs- they won some close games in opposing teams’ ballparks.
It’s very difficult to win games in which you score 2 runs, regardless of how good your pitching is. Even with the supposedly better pitching of this year’s team, they are 10-31 in those 41 games, as opposed to 11-30 last year.
Tank, the offense is limited by injuries and old age………I realize Morrow was tough tonight, but if it wasn’t him, it would be someone else.
CC has been great; Phil is pitching well now…Mosely has been fine for what he is. Javy and AJ have been awful. Nova was a really bright spot tonight, though
And this team also has a huge home/road split for pretty much every hitter outside of Cano
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And Gardner and Swisher. Our 3 best hitters.
“The Yankees just can’t seem to get on a roll this year……………..”
After 125 games the Yankees have the best record in baseball regardless of what happens with the Rays game tonight.
I would say they’ve been on a hell of roll for the entire season.
The offense has underperformed all season and they get shut down by pitchers who they should be pounding. Does someone really think that in October against even better pitchers they are going to all of a sudden string together big hits, situational hit and everything will be fine? The lineup is basically 4 people, Swish, Tex, Cano and Arod. Everyone else in the lineup they are lucky to get whatever they get. The offense has a month to get going otherwise they are going to have a ton of trouble scoring in the playoffs. Especially from Jeter and the 6-9 batters.
Jerkface,
Exactly, which is why their record is still close to what it is last year.
However, to break away from the pack this year, what they are going to need is more offensive consistency.
Pointing out that the offense is not as good this year is simply stating facts. People seem to be unwilling to accept that here, despite the fact that it is so obvious without even citing statistics.
If the Yankees don’t hit consistently come October, they are not definitively better than any of the AL contenders with the possible exception of Minnesota. Last year’s team got a lot of big hits that turned the tide in playoff series that would have been a lot closer had those hits not come. That’s how fine the line can be in October, and that’s why there have to be some additional concerns about this team beyond what people felt last year.
people will never understand what a “team built for the playoffs” is. The yanks only goal is to get into the playoffs and to be at full health. what does it matter if we win 120 games or 95? with our lineup, bullpen, starting pitching you have to like our odds against any team in a playoff series.
Matt,
I don’t know because I haven’t checked, but do the statistics back up the argument that this team is worse offensively than last year?
Regardless, I would agree that there does seem to be a little less consistency to the offensive output.
There are really 2 ways I see for this team to go come October (assuming they make it).
1) The stars having down years (Jeter, Teix, A-Rod) have monster postseasons and carry the team.
2) They continue to have middling years, and whether they win or lose comes down to whether they win the games Sabathia pitches.
The problem with the second option, which would mirror more of what the team’s current play is now, is that every team in the AL this year has a pitcher they can match up with Sabathia. The Twins have Liriano, the Rays have Price, and the Rangers have Lee. No team the Yankees faced in the AL last year had a pitcher anywhere near the caliber of CC Sabathia to throw against him, and if they lose his games, they may not have the offense and/or starting pitching to recover unless they steal some games.
Stephen Strasburg back on the DL.
I already dropped him from my fantasy team, but I feel bad for the kid. Did he try to do too much? Geeze.
SAS, I will post it again for the heck of it. I don’t remember what I picked but it was over 100. In fact, I think I will do a cut and paste and put it here.
That may diffuse some of the complaining.
Did Francesa think that was reasonable (for them to get to 100 wins?)
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When we make those predictions of course we do it based on an assumption of a healthy rotation and not a lot of DL time for position players. Andy’s absence certainly hasn’t helped our numbers – but look we’re still in first place and number one in the league!
Matt,
i think it has been established that the 09 offense was considerably better than the 2010 one
though the most troubling stat is the home/road disparity… that is 2009 red sox-like.
they are a solid, not spectacular offense away from NYS…. and an excellent one in YS.
And the older hitters are mostly responsible for that. Cano, Swish, and Gardner are the only ones who hit well in both places.
The pitching has to stand on its head this fall for us to win, especially away…
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Look at the stat I posted above, which shows that the Yankees have just matched last year’s total for scoring 3 or fewer runs in a game… in 37 fewer contests.
Also, they are on pace for about 60 runs fewer than last season, and have a tremendous home/road split, which was not present last season.
“people will never understand what a “team built for the playoffs” is. The yanks only goal is to get into the playoffs and to be at full health. what does it matter if we win 120 games or 95? with our lineup, bullpen, starting pitching you have to like our odds against any team in a playoff series.”
Amen. Tabbert, Vegas sure likes our odds against any team in a playoff series!
“…blah blah blah blah blah and if you can’t accept that, then there’s nothing left to say.”
Please don’t be bluffing.
I don’t know because I haven’t checked, but do the statistics back up the argument that this team is worse offensively than last year?
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I don’t know if you were paying attention last year but the 09 offense was insane. Its true, the 2010 yankees just aren’t as good.
The 2010 yankees hit as well at home as the 09 yankees hit on the road as a team. Scary thought. Yankees scored 5.6 runs per game once A-rod came back.
Captain Clutch, I’m not going that far. As frustrating as this team can be offensively, nothing they do in the playoffs would surprise me………….Maybe they’ll struggle, but I can also see these guys rising to the occasion
The 2009 ROAD offense had a higher OPS (.858) than the 2010 HOME offense (.830)
# Matt August 23rd, 2010 at 10:55 pm
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Look at the stat I posted above, which shows that the Yankees have just matched last year’s total for scoring 3 or fewer runs in a game… in 37 fewer contests.
Also, they are on pace for about 60 runs fewer than last season, and have a tremendous home/road split, which was not present last season.
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Yeah, just saw them. I think these numbers go a long way to proving the point that the offense has been less consistent than last year. We’ll have to wait out the last 37 games to see just how far this team is from last year’s in terms of total run production, but consistency is the issue come playoff time.
Teams can match up against CC but it gets more difficult when you are trying to match up with Andy … and Hughes and the bullpen and the yankees offense is still one of the top offenses in the league with all their troubles.
Nevermind… the .858 OPS was the 09 home offense
Still, the 2009 road offense had a .822 OPS, almost as good as the 10 home one
Trisha,
Francesca thought we would win 102 easily.
I checked the schedules of the Yanks, Rays and Sox. From my point of view, Boston actually has the easiest schedule. All 3 teams play each other at least 6 more games. The Sox go to the W. Coast which can make a difference.
Jerkface August 23rd, 2010 at 10:56 pm
I don’t know because I haven’t checked, but do the statistics back up the argument that this team is worse offensively than last year?
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I don’t know if you were paying attention last year but the 09 offense was insane. Its true, the 2010 yankees just aren’t as good.
The 2010 yankees hit as well at home as the 09 yankees hit on the road as a team. Scary thought. Yankees scored 5.6 runs per game once A-rod came back
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I didn’t say I disagreed, I just wanted verification before I jumped on the Yankees offense is weaker than last year bandwagon. Often times our eyes can deceive us.
Trisha,
Actually I don’t think Joe Girardi expected as good a performance from Nova as he got, and he fully expected to lose tonight’s game
“But I guess I’m now a “bridge jumper” and “expect them to go 162-0? for having the nerve to point out that this team is not playing the quality of ball that they could be doing out there.”
Last year after 125 games the Yankees were 78-47. This year they’re 77-48 after 125 games.
How much better would you like them to play?
Do you believe this year’s team is better than last years team?
You people are ridiculous with your expectations.
The team is winning at the same pace it won at least year and that’s not good enough for some of you. Perspective is a wonderful thing.
trisha-
The 2000 yanks had no chance of winning it all. I mean, they were a awful 87-74 and two other teams in the american league won over 100 games that year. Oh wait… we won the world series that year. I love how people think we have to win 120 games in the regular season to be the champs. pretty entertaining group of fans we have huh?
IIOIIOIIO August 23rd, 2010 at 10:45 pm
# GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
IIOIIOIIO August 23rd, 2010 at 10:40 pm
GB-
That being said, it is possible that mass within the context of the television show was used interchangeably with weight. I think it’s unlikely as they, as scientists, would have stayed true to the scientific definitions of each, but possible. So I may be misunderstanding their definitions. Haha, I’m FAR from a scientist.
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They aren’t scientists. They’re mechanics and tinkers.
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I’m not referring to the Mythbusters as scientists, but the authors of the study I linked to you earlier. I was only bringing up the Mythbusters because they did an experiment that is widely available should anyone wish to see it. That being said, what the Mythbusters test has already been proven by science. They aren’t making scientific discoveries, but rather testing what has already been determined to be fact. I believe the two of them actually did special effects in commercials and such.
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Batters and hitting coaches will tell you that it’s bat speed that is thecause of home runs, not the size of the bat.
Here’s a link for you.
http://www.scientificamerican......allow-base
The lineup for the next couple of games should include Kearns. His at bats have been really good since coming over and they should ride out his hot bat right now. Basically if you hit then you have to stay in the lineup. Gardner is still really lost so he can use a day off here or there.
Whether this team is better than last year’s team is determined on the field. They are more talented, yes, but better? No.
The competition in the American League is better than last year, so being almost as good as last year’s team may not be good enough to win it all again this year.
With the amount of talent on the field, combined with the number of games this team has given away, they should be 5 up on Tampa right now. How can the expectations be unreasonable when you consider all of the significant leads Joba alone has frittered away this season?
The difference between this year’s team and last year’s team is that they don’t quite find the ways to steal close games. A lot of the close games they won in the playoffs last year that they should have lost were the difference in those series. If this team continues to play as it has done this season, they will be a good team, but may not be a great one. They are not definitively better than 2 of the 3 teams that will most likely make the playoffs from the AL unless they hit like they should be with the talent in the lineup every day.
Bautista’s interview on MLB network is very telling that he is really cocky right now. Hard to listen to that punk
A healthy Pettitte is the key.
Lee, Liriano, Price, could match CC
Can Wilson, Shields, Pavano match Andy? Probably on their best days.
Could Colby Lewis, Kevin Slowey, or Niemenn match Hughes? Niemenn might.
Could Scott Baker, Hunter/Harden, Garza match AJ? Garza is the only one who could match good AJ, and even if bad AJ shows up, we have a chance to hit Baker or Harden.
As you can see, Tampa is the only one with depth to match us.
Your article contained no actual scientific evidence. Merely conjecture.
Jerkface, it is true that while the Yankees rotation may not be GREAT, their competition would have question marks as well. Price is basically an uknown in the playoffs; Garza, Niemann, Davis ? I don’t remember how they did in 2008. Twins: Lirano, Pavano -they are very good. Slowey? Texas: Lee (great, obviously), Wilson, Hunter……..2 unknowns.
I think CC and Andy would be givens; Phil would still be an unknown, but then he’d be matched against other unknowns. AJ would be fine as a #4
“Pointing out that the offense is not as good this year is simply stating facts”
So what if the Yankees offense is down this year. We are not playing last years team. it means nothing to say our offense is not as good as last years except as a comparison to last years team. Which last I checked we are not scheduled to play the 09 Yankees. Also Isn’t offense down league wide as well?
“Bautista’s interview on MLB network is very telling that he is really cocky right now. Hard to listen to that punk”
Needs to be drilled and brushed back the next 2 nights.
We can’t get him out, might as well put him on his back.
It’ll be a lot easier to feel confident about this team’s chances if Pettitte can prove that he is indeed healthy and in game shape. The key is whether Pettitte can pitch like he has done earlier in this season when he comes back from injury and tries to shake off the rust.
But then again, it may not matter unless the offense shows up come October. Pettitte pitched an unbelievable game in Game 2 of the 2007 ALDS, but they lost that game because they only scored 1 run behind it. It really will come down to whether the Yankees can find ways to get key runs home, because most teams have enough starting pitching to match our top 2 or 3, and it’s going to come down to whether they can get the key hits or not.
“After 125 games the Yankees have the best record in baseball regardless of what happens with the Rays game tonight.
I would say they’ve been on a hell of roll for the entire season.”
Moi aussi. Absolutely!
If the damned teams and pitchers don’t like being shown up by Bautista, get him out.
GB-
I’ve read that article before and I couldn’t really use it to support corking bats because there is no scientific evidence. The study I sent you earlier is the result of actual experimentation. You can always find support for both sides of the argument, but I find it hard not to side with more solid scientific evidence.
# GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 pm
If the damned teams and pitchers don’t like being shown up by Bautista, get him out.
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I completely agree, but the way Batista handled that home run in the 8th really left a bad taste in my mouth. I just don’t understand such poor sportsmanship.
Last year’s team won because its offense got some huge hits come October. The starting pitching gave them a chance every night, but there were many games that they stole that they should have lost that made the difference in those series. Look:
ALDS- Yankees stole Game 2 with A-Rod’s HR off of Nathan and Teixeira’s walk off. Yankees may have stolen game 3 considering that they were down 1-0 in the 7th until A-Rod’s 1 out HR tied it up and Posada’s HR put them ahead. Also consider that the Twins had the bases loaded, no outs in the 11th of game 2 and couldn’t score, and a runner at 2nd, no outs and couldn’t score in game 3. The difference in that series was the big hits. They very well could have been down 2 games to 1 instead of a sweep if the breaks had gone the other way.
ALCS- The Yankees stole game 2 with A-Rod’s HR off of Fuentes in extras. Consider that Guzman and Gardner were behind A-Rod if he didn’t get that huge hit. If they don’t win that game, they could have been coming home down 3 games to 2 instead of up 3 games to 2- completely different series. In the reverse case, remember the 2 games the Yankees blew in Anaheim that may have made a difference if not for stealing game 2.
World Series- Yankees trailed 3-0 in game 3 and came back and won it. They also had blown the lead and were tied 4-4 in game 4, with the threat of Coke coming in with 2 outs and nobody on, and rallied to take the lead and get Mo in there. If they lose either of those two games, it’s a completely different series coming back down 3 to 2 instead of up 3 to 2. When you get to a game 7, anything can happen in these kinds of series.
So again, the difference last year was that the Yankees got some huge hits to steal some games they probably should have lost. Every team come October has enough pitching to keep themselves in these games, but the team that wins is the one that comes up with the biggest hits. Last year’s competition was inferior to what the Yankees face this year, so being almost as good may not be good enough.
The reason people get bent out of shape over a loss is because its one loss that puts us back in a tie with Tampa. Like its been said on here millions of times. If Boston and Tampa weren’t doing as well this year, no one would be worried. When the Rangers lose one game do you think they worry about the Angels who are way behind them? No, because 9 games and 10 games ahead is a pretty good cushion.
I especially hate when we lose because I live in Tampa and have to constantly hear about my teams shortcomings in the paper and from coworkers who are “Rays fans” it would be easier to accept a loss if it didn’t mean a tie or 2 games from 2nd place. I know we can’t win them all, but human nature is all about competition and no one likes to be the loser.
remember that during the playoffs our lineup will be much much stronger.
Jeter
Swish
tex
arod
cano
posada
berkman
granderson
gardy
that might not be the exact order but with all 9 of those guys in the lineup it will be capable of scoring a lot of runs. People tend to forget that we have very rarely had that lineup out there this season. We are either resting someone, posada cant catch, or there is a injury. Come playoff time, posada will be catching and our dh will be used on a true bat.
IIOIIOIIO August 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 pm
GB-
I’ve read that article before and I couldn’t really use it to support corking bats because there is no scientific evidence. The study I sent you earlier is the result of actual experimentation. You can always find support for both sides of the argument, but I find it hard not to side with more solid scientific evidence.
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Clamping a bat into a stationary position and firing a baseball out of a cannon at it does not show bat speed.
“If the damned teams and pitchers don?t like being shown up by Bautista, get him out.”
If he wants to pirouette around the bases if he hits one out it’s okay by me.
The over reaction to a pitch up and not so in is annoying to me. Ortiz and Manny used to do it too as if the inside 1/3 of the plate above the belt was off limits for them.
IIOIIOIIO August 23rd, 2010 at 11:12 pm
# GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 pm
If the damned teams and pitchers don’t like being shown up by Bautista, get him out.
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I completely agree, but the way Batista handled that home run in the 8th really left a bad taste in my mouth. I just don’t understand such poor sportsmanship.
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Like i said…if they don’t like it, get him out or walk him.
“Needs to be drilled and brushed back the next 2 nights.
We can’t get him out, might as well put him on his back.”
Yeah, right. Start a brawl so some Yankees might get hurt. Jays are not going to the playoffs, if their players get hurt, big deal.
How about pitching Bautista away? His homers have been to left and center.
2 run double for godzilla
Some people unhappy about baseball teams financials leaking and want MLB to investigate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08.....ndex.jsonp
pat, I agree that the hissy fit was unnecessary but they’ve gotten so used to diving out over the plate and nobody throws inside, now they have no way of juding just how close to being over the plate the pitches really are. Frank Thomas was as bad as Ramirez and Ortiz. They can’t judge the pitch because they’re looking down and out.
Bautista said in the post game interview that he enjoyed hitting that HR off of Nova. Someone should ask him if he enjoys being in 4th place and spending the baseball offseason at home watching the games on TV.
“trisha-
The 2000 yanks had no chance of winning it all. I mean, they were a awful 87-74 and two other teams in the american league won over 100 games that year. Oh wait… we won the world series that year. I love how people think we have to win 120 games in the regular season to be the champs. pretty entertaining group of fans we have huh?”
Oh my GAWD!!! That was the year the Yanks lost 13 out of their last 15 games. Honest to God Tabbert, can you imagine if there was a lohud blog in 1999? Seriously. Some of these dinkers flip out over every loss, no matter how many wins have come before it. Can you imagine this blog with the Yankees losing their last 7 games straight and any of us trying to convince them we would still win the world series? There would definitely be blood shed on this forum! Plus by the end of the season maybe a good number of posters would have disappeared, either locked up in Bellevue or no longer interested in “their team” because they would KNOW “these bums” had no chance.
And I would be accused of not being a real fan because I was still cheerily believing that they would take the world series.
GB-
Your point about the stationary bat is well taken. Maybe we are arguing different things here. Are you saying that corking a bat makes it lighter and therefore easier to make contact? That I can buy. But claiming that corking a bat will increase distance or produce harder hit balls simply doesn’t make sense. Lowering the mass (and moment-of-inertia) may increase the bat swing speed, but the lower mass means that the collision between bat and ball is less effective.
Ok, so he enjoyed the HR………whatever. Just get the guy out………..and Nova got him out later anyway, lol
# Laura – I Bleed Blue August 23rd, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Bautista said in the post game interview that he enjoyed hitting that HR off of Nova. Someone should ask him if he enjoys being in 4th place and spending the baseball offseason at home watching the games on TV.
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I really dislike the guy. I don’t understand his reaction to Nova’s pitch either. It reminded me of Manny’s reaction to Clemens’ pitch up in the zone, but not nearly enough inside to get upset about. The pitch from Nova was definitely up, but not even close to hitting him. I would venture to say that the pitch was probably over the plate.
“The over reaction to a pitch up and not so in is annoying to me. Ortiz and Manny used to do it too as if the inside 1/3 of the plate above the belt was off limits for them.”
Exactly. My feeling is it also annoyed the Yankees as well. We shall see.
People are already starting to compare Nova to Phil……….I see on RAB twitter that they are saying he’s got more movement on his FB and obviously a better change.
GreenBeret7 August 23rd, 2010 at 11:22 pm
pat, I agree that the hissy fit was unnecessary but they’ve gotten so used to diving out over the plate and nobody throws inside, now they have no way of juding just how close to being over the plate the pitches really are. Frank Thomas was as bad as Ramirez and Ortiz. They can’t judge the pitch because they’re looking down and out
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I see you made my point before I did. I agree with this completely.
GB
A comfortable hitter with pop is the last thing you need. You lean, you pay for it, deal with it. Stare all you want and the next pitch should be an inch further in. Problem is the umps have too quick a trigger these days.
Nova didn’t back down in the postgame from it. Said he didn’t try to hit him but he’ll continue to pitch inside to get guys out and someone being upset about it wasn’t going to stop him.
trisha-
Don’t you find it funny that people say our offense is horrid but we are yet to put out or best lineup of the season? I think people honestly believe that pena, cerveli, nunez, miranda, curtis will be hitting in our lineup come playoff time. The last time i remember this lineup being full health and 9 deep was at the start of the season where we went 4-2 on the road against the rays and sox. People fail to realize that we have yet to throw out a lineup consisting of:
jeter
swish
tex
arod
cano
posada
granderson
berkman
gardner
( in no certain order)
with kearns and thames in the mix.
Almost every game someone is being rested, someone is hurt, and we are only about 7 deep in the lineup. Like i posted earlier, This team is built for the playoffs and with that lineup who can really argue that fact?
“You are not the ultimate or supreme fan even if you want to think you are, and if you can’t accept that, then there’s nothing left to say.”
I am the SUPREME fan!!! The SUPREME and the ULTIMATE fan!!!!! DO YOU HEAR ME MATT? SUPREME FAN AND ULTIMATE FAN!!!
There is nothing left to say other than this. I AM THE SUPREME FAN AND THE ULTIMATE FAN!!!
And if you CAN’T hear me it’s either because you are off in a corner sulking and sucking your thumb, the way you do whenever you don’t get your way here (read: the Yankees lose or they win but the position players don’t get hits every AB or the pitchers don’t strike out the opposition on 3 pitches, every player), or you are planning your nonstop whining for the next game.
My guess is that you are equally maladjusted about everything in life that doesn’t go your way because typically people who are disgruntled over every Yankee imperfection carry that silliness over from their “real” lives.
IIOIIOIIO August 23rd, 2010 at 11:24 pm
GB-
Your point about the stationary bat is well taken. Maybe we are arguing different things here. Are you saying that corking a bat makes it lighter and therefore easier to make contact? That I can buy. But claiming that corking a bat will increase distance or produce harder hit balls simply doesn’t make sense. Lowering the mass (and moment-of-inertia) may increase the bat swing speed, but the lower mass means that the collision between bat and ball is less effective.
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Never said that cork would give a bat more rebound or spongy affect. Only that reducing weight in the bat and filling it with a lighter material or using mercury would either speed up the bat or shift the weight as it was swung and increase the bat speed.
I liked the fact that Bautista did not intimidate Nova. The kid stood right there.
I don’t know if I find it sad or amazing how crazy this board has gotten after a loss to the Jays of all teams. The Yanks can still take 2 of 3 easily. Big deal Bautista shows them up. The guy flat out beat the Yanks tonight. No Yankee besides Cano responded. Bautista deserved to strut around the bases. Maybe if Tex would be more consistant and pair up with Cano who is turning into a top 5 player in the game then the Yanks would have been able to rub it in Jose’s face tonight.
Meanwhile, and I never bothered commenting on your nonstop craziness Matt until you decided to call me out (that’s usually the way I do it) people are right when they accuse you of only showing up for Yankee losses. It may be that you have severe depression when they win games because you have nothing to complain about. Just a guess.
Betsy,
We can only hope is Nova and Hughes will top of the heap pitchers for the Yankees and that their success help the Yankees for many years to come.
“Instinctively, I was kind of upset,” Bautista said. “I was just trying to see what kind of reaction I was going to get from him. I was surprised to see he was pretty defiant. He was walking up towards me and flashing his hands up and started yelling. That’s when I felt like the pitch was intentional.”
Tyler, can’t say I disagree………
pat, Nova is one of the few young pitchers that knows how to pitch inside without hitting a batter. Young hard throwers with that ability will scare hitters. Not something that they’re used to. Look at what it did for mussina in 2008. He had nothing but finally the ability or guts to pitch inside. Look at Pettitte and Rivera. Rivera always did…Pettitte just started. He could go another 4 years pitching inside and winning. For years, Pettitte and Mussina lived outside. They can’t do that anymore…not consistantly. back ‘em off and then go outside.
SAS, I just think that’s a bit premature on RAB’s part.
So did Joe say why he took Nova out?
2 people at the opposite ends of the spectrum.
One sees everything wrong and the other sees nothing wrong.
trisha and matt
pat August 23rd, 2010 at 11:39 pm
“Instinctively, I was kind of upset,” Bautista said. “I was just trying to see what kind of reaction I was going to get from him. I was surprised to see he was pretty defiant. He was walking up towards me and flashing his hands up and started yelling. That’s when I felt like the pitch was intentional.”
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Must have scared the crap out of him if he had to carry his bat out to the mound with him.
Yes RMS, forgive me for seeing nothing wrong. Forgive me for having the ability to keep my eyes focused on the prize and not getting thrown by bumps in the road. Terrible trait, isn’t it? I promise to try to complain a lot more.
Wah, wah. We might not make the playoffs. So what? Don’t you have something better to worry about?
Do you even read what you post Trisha?
I’ll call you out all day when you continue to post the nonsense you put up here about how nobody understands what it takes to be a fan but you. Do you even know what the word “fan” means? I’ll give you a hint:
“A fan, short for fanatic and sometimes also called aficionado or supporter, is a person with an intense, occasionally overwhelming liking and enthusiasm for a sporting club, person (usually a celebrity), group of persons, company, product, activity, work of art, idea, or trend. ”
I’d never think that someone who is INTENSE would be upset about losses?
If you don’t care about the performance of the team on the field, that doesn’t make you more of a fan, and in fact that most likely makes you less of one. But I’m not going to go your route and claim to know everything about you and your personality simply based on posts on the Lohud Yankees Blog. I have no doubt you’re a big fan, but your act is tired and you need to get over yourself.
I find it hard to believe someone can be a fan of a team as much as you seem to be without ever getting upset about plays, blown calls, and losses in close games. We all know that what you are putting on here is a charade. Just because the rest of us use the blog to vent and you don’t, doesn’t mean you are better.
Everyone who cares enough to take the time to post on here with real comments is without a doubt a big fan of the Yankees. Don’t you dare question my fandom.
“Instinctively, I was kind of upset,” Bautista said. “I was just trying to see what kind of reaction I was going to get from him. I was surprised to see he was pretty defiant. He was walking up towards me and flashing his hands up and started yelling. That’s when I felt like the pitch was intentional.”
Bautista started it by yelling and walking toward the mound with bat in hand. Nova stood his ground. Good for the kid.
# RMS August 23rd, 2010 at 11:48 pm
“Instinctively, I was kind of upset,” Bautista said. “I was just trying to see what kind of reaction I was going to get from him. I was surprised to see he was pretty defiant. He was walking up towards me and flashing his hands up and started yelling. That’s when I felt like the pitch was intentional.”
Bautista started it by yelling and walking toward the mound with bat in hand. Nova stood his ground. Good for the kid.
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Exactly. So Batista wanted him to stand there and take his abuse and that would have proved the pitch wasn’t intentional?
trisha
My bad. You did complain in the past about Posada catching AJ. How did that work out?
I see everything wrong?
Just because I don’t praise everything that a guy does, it doesn’t mean I always think they are at fault all of the time. I just don’t need to post it on this blog for it to count.
Another one who seems to think he knows everything about me based on a few posts on a Yankees blog. Wonder why it’s hard to take many of you guys seriously.
james shields has been working in and out of trouble all game. Don’t be surprised if the angels come back to win this one.
“I find it hard to believe someone can be a fan of a team as much as you seem to be without ever getting upset about plays, blown calls, and losses in close games. We all know that what you are putting on here is a charade”
I’d like to indulge your fantasies Matt but it’s no charade. I don’t get upset about plays and I don’t get upset about losses in close games. I get upset about blown calls but that has to do more with the purity of the game of baseball.
I root for the Yankees because they are my team, win or lose. They have my support whether they are in first place or last place. And everybody who knows me knows that to be a fact. That said, and if you were around last year you know the same thing to be true, I KNOW
“I find it hard to believe someone can be a fan of a team as much as you seem to be without ever getting upset about plays, blown calls, and losses in close games. We all know that what you are putting on here is a charade”
I’d like to indulge your fantasies Matt but it’s no charade. I don’t get upset about plays and I don’t get upset about losses in close games. I get upset about blown calls but that has to do more with the purity of the game of baseball.
I root for the Yankees because they are my team, win or lose. They have my support whether they are in first place or last place. And everybody who knows me knows that to be a fact. That said, and if you were around last year you know the same thing to be true, I KNOW
I KNOW they are going to be in the postseason. So why in hell would I be upset about what happens in any individual game? It makes no sense.
“My bad. You did complain in the past about Posada catching AJ. How did that work out?”
It worked out well because Cervelli ended up catching him. Thanks for asking though!
Now that’s just preposterous. Do you “know” they are going to be in the postseason in April or May when you are saying the same thing?
Did you “know” they were going to be in the postseason in the middle of 2008 when they collapsed late and fell out of contention?
So even though you claim it’s reality, you still are making some questionable excuses for why you would feel that way.
If you really felt that way, it would either make you one of those widely disliked “entitled” fans, or just plain foolish. Enlighten me more, because I clearly cannot put the pieces together here with what you are providing me.
“Rob Dibble tells Stephen Strasburg to ‘Suck it up’”
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......-it-up.php
This is pure insanity.
“It worked out well because Cervelli ended up catching him.”
Right. And did you see that AJ can have bad games no matter who is catching him? Blaming Posada was real smart.
GB7
I saw on Fox Sports Houston a few days ago about bat speed vs how hard a swing is. They said the faster the bat is swung the greater the distance would be.
By the way how are you feeling? Still improving from your trip to see your GF ……… I mean nurse?
In the end, the exact number of runs you win by and the exact number of games you win and how you arrive at either number is gobbledygook. You either make the playoffs or you don’t.
“Right. And did you see that AJ can have bad games no matter who is catching him? Blaming Posada was real smart.”
I don’t know your postings well enough to accuse you of oversight or intentional myopia so let me just say this RMS. When I was complaining about the AJ-Posada tandem it was because AJ was losing games with Posada catching and winning them with Cervelli and Molina catching. It was noticed by everyone in town, including the national media, that there was some problem between AJ and Posada and my mantra was all I cared about was the Yankees winning games so either AJ and Posada had to fix what was wrong, or Cervelli or Molina should be catching AJ.
Apparently Joe Girardi saw the same thing because if you remember correctly he named Molina to catch AJ in the world series.
I took a boatload of abuse from a ton of posters who couldn’t accept the fact that I had a problem with Posada catching AJ and said I was crazy (I and anyone else who agreed with me) to think they had problems with each other, that AJ had a history of inconsistency, yada yada yada.
Well at the beginning of this season AJ admitted that they had some interpersonal problems last season but said they had worked them out over the offseason and during spring training this year. So my surmise was right all along.
Of course I didn’t see a groundswell of posters dropping by to apologize for tapdancing all over my head after AJ said that. But I didn’t expect it either.
So that’s how that one went.